The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1369: The American RevLeft w/ Cast Iron

Episode Date: May 14, 2026

63 MinutesPG-13Cast Iron joins Pete to give a rundown of the revolutionary "left" groups active in America today.Pete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's Substack Pete's SubscribestarPete's PaypalPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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and that you're not trying to disguise your voice. You just, you know. I just keep getting it effed up at work. I am somebody who's been paying attention to dissident, revolutionary, or otherwise weirdo politics for about 25 years now. I've found Lou Rockwell back in the early aughts when I was in college. caucus for Ron Paul did the Tea Party bit

and ultimately I became kind of hopeful that there was kind of a possibility of some sort of like pan-anarchist struggle against the state. I'm somebody who very, I love America, the country. I hate the American Empire. And I thought that there was a possibility that the revolutionary tendencies on the

the left wing of anarchism had potential as if not necessarily as allies but like something that would be an obstacle to the empire of the regime as your frequent guest dr johnson likes to call it and uh i got to watch in real time as the anything useful that the left possibly had got utterly co-opted by uh sexual and racial politics at occupy wall street and And which I went to several cities where there were Occupy protests. And I lived among and around the revolutionary left, as I like to call them, because they're not all anarchists for about five years. And when Ferguson, the first BLM riots happened, I decided to pull my jettison cord, especially because, you know, at the time, not talking about what he is. now, but at the time, you know, Trump going down the golden elevator was very, very funny, especially the reaction it caused. And so I am here to talk about what Antifa is and isn't and clear up some, hopefully clear up what I consider to be some misconceptions about them from the broader dissident right. I think what I know in part comes from my time among them,

but I also have noticed, just because I've been in both worlds to some degree, the revolutionary left, or the radical left, whatever you want to call them, and the dissident right, the more revolutionary tendencies on the right, they, even though both of them talk in public, nobody from either side really seems to pay attention to each other if you actually like get down to the internal but public communication they have. So my goal here is to try to dispel a few myths and more importantly, explain to you how you can legally hobble these people a little bit if they tend to live near you and how you can quickly and easily identify if there is a pocket of them in your locality. Cool. Well, I mean, I'm just going to let you run, but let me start off by just asking, You know, the term anti-antifa, antifacist has a historical connotation, Italy, Italy especially. And what, if anything, do they have, would they have in common with Antifa today? I don't think very much, like the original Antifa in Europe, you know, they were much more Marxist. to me there are four discrete groups that make up or that would call themselves Antifa and they don't have much in common with each other. They don't have much in common with each other and they also don't have a lot in common with common with the original European, like the German and Italy Antifaz.

to me, if somebody says that they're Antifa, that I don't, that doesn't tell me a lot about them. To me, it's very much a label in the negative. I've been on a couple other shows and I've described it as the verbal equivalent of putting on war paint. Tells me what they don't like. The example I've used is if you took, there are a lot of people that call themselves Antifa. If you locked them alone in a room together, something really, really funny might have. haven. Like Keith Olberman, Mark Hamill, they call themselves Antifa. If you were to put them alone with some gutter punk train hopping anarchist, the results might make you laugh pretty hard.

It'd be like if, you know, you had two Christians, a Unitarian atheist and a Latin Mass Catholic and you lock them alone in a room together, they're not going to get along. Yeah, I mean, obviously. But, yeah, yeah. So, yeah. So it looks like there is no, basically what it is, is it's negative ideology you would, you would say today's antiphagist. They don't have an ideological structure other than what. I mean, I assume some of them may know something about like dialectical materialism, but would I be wrong to say most just seem to be nihilists?

Well, I wouldn't necessarily say most of them are nihilists, although there is a strain of that there. And the thing too is the people who call themselves Antifa that actually know the history of Antifa are usually people who are not only are they not Marxists, but they actively dislike them because they're anarchists and they usually consider themselves to be insurrectionary anarchists. And they've, I don't want to go down this like very far because you have far smarter people and more well-read people like Dr. Johnson knew more about it. But like that most anarchists who consider themselves insurrectionary or green anarchists, that sort of thing, who know the history of their own movement, they're aware of like what

the Bolsheviks did to anarchists, like how they liquidated a large amount of people who were in the black army of the Ukraine led by Nestor Machnau after the whites were defeated. and then the reds turned on them as soon as the whites were starting to collapse because they were no longer useful or controllable. So Trotsky pretty much one of them wiped out. Like they're aware of that. They don't like, they don't like Marxists. But again, that's not really the purpose of this. And you have much more well-read people than me to talk about that with.

But there are a good chunk that are nihilists. Well, then why don't you jump in and talk about some of the, notes that you sent me talked about how it's not an ideology, but you do see four main subgroups there. So when you see, and this is, I should say, this is specifically geared towards like the groups that you will see get out in the streets during any kind of, any time that is protest and riot season, for whatever reason. So this is primarily going to focus on white and Jewish revolutionary leftists.

They're kind of one group in and among themselves, but we'll get to them in a minute. So the first group would be, and they only roll out when they specifically have grievances personal to them would be black and brown revolutionaries. Usually they're nationalists. You know, you've got like La Raza, the Black Hammer Party, the Black Panther Party, whenever it occasionally gets resurrected and then falls apart. or if you just have, you know, like the chas where it starts out as something done by white RevLeft people. But if there is an intelligent and assertive enough non-white person who shows up, they can basically just bully them into taking over the place, which is pretty funny. but they usually the like chicano and black nationalist stuff like it just doesn't get a lot of traction among their people until like it gets whipped to an absolute fever pitch like with the ice stuff most recently for brown people and then obviously summer of love summer of Floyd two years ago for black people um the reason i mentioned them in part or that i think they're worth talking about briefly.

This is supposition on my part, but I have noticed that a lot of times, or what, I'm going to do some supposition here in a second, excuse me, I have noticed a lot of times that when people talk about on the dissident right, or actually just the broader right in general, about pallets of bricks being left out and people being bust into riots and that sort of thing, It really only seems to happen during ethnic minority riots. And I think there's two reasons for that. One, they, their NGOs and their religious communities and just they're just as communities, they're far more insular. And when they get government money to their NGOs, it's just like it's going to end up going to some, some of it's going to end up going to some kind of criminal activity.

I haven't. So that's the supposition on my part because like I haven't really tried to figure that out. I haven't chased down that rabbit hole. But it seems to me to like anytime I go looking for stories about that, there's always black or Hispanic people involved in the riots that are, or the protests that are going on more broadly. And the other reason I think that that only happens with them is that it's not necessary for the other two groups we're going to talk about,

or the other two subgroup demographics, which would be Trantifa and again, the white and Jewish Revlif people. They exist in situ. They have communes and collective houses. They are self-motivated, self-funded. They're essentially autonomous cells respective to where they live in particular. and then there's cities in general. There's plenty of malcontent, spiteful mutants you can find all over America.

So that's it for the black and brown nationalist revolutionaries. I don't find them terribly interesting. And frankly, except for being used as a moral shield to provide moral cover for riots, I don't think they're terribly interesting. And I don't think there's a lot of depth to them. They're, you know, an inch deep and a mile wide. And the second group, be the shit-lib hobbyist that kind of mentioned before. Like, if that's anybody from the Democratic Socialists of America to Rachel Maddow, if there is a Republican in power, they can whip things up.

They, excuse me, they don't exist. Like, when Biden was in power, everybody noticed Antifa went away. It's actually, I think, part of why the shift during Occupy Wall Street happened with the various revolutionary left people that had some intellectual depth to them, because it went from the revolutionary left, was very much about labor and the environment to becoming concerned with race and sex. And I think that was engineered on purpose because at Occupy, Occupy originally was very ecumenical for lack of a better way to put. it. You know, you had angry Tea Party people. You know, if you were paying attention at the time, you know, you had literal, like, Maoists and Ron Paul supporters marching side by side outside Federal Reserve branches chanting about how they needed to burn it to the ground.

And this was happening during the first term of the Magic Black president who was supposed to heal all wounds and make racism go away. I don't know. Pete, do you remember much about, like, how Occupy started, Were you paying attention to that then? Well, it was in reaction to 2008. So I don't remember the specifics of how that the genesis of the, of how people decided they were going to go down there and start doing, you know, doing what they were doing.

Well, it started, it was almost like it was AstroTurfed because it got started by AdBusters, if you're familiar with them. It's a weird. for-profit magazine that kind of wears like sort of like post-Maoism and anarchism kind of stitched together as a skin suit but they're just like neoliberal crony capitalists they're very strange people they probably I mean I honestly think that like the CIA or somebody has their fingers in them but I think that part of the part of why Occupy was engineered the way it was to destroy the environmentalist labor and anti-war left because the other well the occupy was

about two things people were pissed off about the 08 mortgage crisis and then they were pissed off about the fact that Obama hadn't drawn down the wars because this was 2011 so so who's the who's the third the third group that you uh you have in there so that it would be trantifa um i don't I actually want to talk about them too much because, quite frankly, I'm terrified of them. And I actually think that they're, when people start talking about Antifa as like this top-down organized cabal, I think there might be something to that. I do actually think that trans, because I've done some digging since I had my first interview on Ameri Conner six months ago about just kind of the trans network that exists like them. infiltrating like broblocks, their discord grooming gangs and that sort of thing. And I've come to the, you know, there's been stuff like all those people, Christy Noem,

or not Christy Noam, what is the name of the woman from Hawaii who runs the DHS? Tulsi Garvey. Tulsi, yes. All those, do you remember all those trannies she fired from the NSA? Yep. So I am 100% convinced that just due to the weird insular, nature of trannies that whether there's a particular trans person that calls themselves an anarchist and lives in some weird hovel or if they work for the NSA like all those people who got fired,

those people all intermix. They don't really give a shit what each other do as long as they're all pushing transness. Like being trans is their ideology. They want other people to come along for their ride. They don't really give a fuck. And in their discord groups and stuff, you know, they've kind of had a cross-pollination with the weird shooter corps people who lionize like school shooters or mass shooters in general. And they're all very interested in asserting that they should be allowed to talk to children. They've also cross-pollinated from what I can tell to some degree is with order of the nine angles. Nine angles, excuse me. And yeah, they're just kind of like this weird background, terrifying thing that I have no idea what to do about.

So I don't really want to talk about them too much, less the eye of Sauron look upon me. Just a word of caution to anybody listening who, if you do want to go look into these people, if you do decide to, like, go try to, like, get into their discord groups or if they, I don't know if they have telegram groups, it wouldn't surprise me, that sort of thing. They will aggressively try to send people CSAM material,

or files, rather. They'll try to send you C-SAM files if they think that you are trying to get into their group. And then they will use it to try and blackmail you to make you do horrible things. Like these are those people are like radio fucking active and you should stay far the fuck away from them. So that leaves as the last group. And what I think is a group that can be hobbled somewhat just by the listeners sitting alone by themselves. on their couch, taking five, ten minutes to go around on Google and figure out where the white and Jewish Rev. Left people reside and operate in their locality. Or say, if you're a rural

person, maybe you could figure out your state capital, assuming that's the largest city, or whatever major urban center is near you. And you can disrupt them. to some degree, potentially, with as long as you know about some of the organizations that they have. So, Pete, I have a question for you because the first organization I would like to talk about, I'm going slightly out of order from what I sent you. I'm jumping down to the orgs. Do you know, I have heard you talk about the National Lawyers Guild. What do you know about them?

Well, I don't know that I've, I know a lot about them, but I've had people on the show who talk about the National Lawyers Guild and the National Lawyers Guild basically is there to step up whenever one of these people gets in trouble or to even preemptively threaten people. They are actually, they are a bar association. Like if you're a lawyer, you can be in the National Lawyers Guild instead of the American Bar Association. For example, they have been around for a while. They were founded in I believe it was 1936. So they've been around for about 89 years and you don't have to be a lawyer to be a member.

You can be a paralegal. You can be a quote unquote prison lawyer. You can, your jailhouse lawyer, however you want to call it. Or you can just be a civilian who joins in order to take their legal observer training, which would be the people that you are most likely to see at a protest who are actively recording the cops and interfering with them. They do also offer, like the people who get trained as legal observers also get trained on how to teach protesters at workshops that they'll hold at the various spaces that the Rev Left tends to run, usually like bookstores. bike shops that sort of thing are just their collective houses which are essentially gardenless communes inside of an urban core but they will teach people how to get arrested like how to resist

arrest like you know sandbag the cops they will provide phone numbers to protesters that they can like write down somewhere on their body and sharpie or something like that so they can when they get their one phone call they can immediately get a hold of a paralegal or a lawyer from the national Lawyers Guild. The National Lawyers Guild does a lot of its work, or the lawyers and paralegals among it, rather, do a lot of their work pro bono. I have heard of cases where, you know, the lawyer might even put up the bond fee because they are, you know, they're true believers and, you know, upper, upper middle class people in America, they're upper middle class white people tend to be liberal. Same for Jewish upper middle class people. And, you know, so.

being progressive and joining an organization like the National Lawyers Guild, you're not going to get much pushback from your social circle. And you might even get lauded for it. So it's not like they're scared to do it. So their purpose is essentially to just try and get Rev. Left people and maybe any regular shitlibs who just got in a bit over their head at a protest out of holding, like the county jail or whatever that you get dragged to immediately following as quickly as possible and get you bonded out.

And then they'll try to provide representation for you or at least help you figure out somebody who could be affordable for you or that sort of thing. And they usually work hand and glove with the anarchist Black Cross, which is a group of autonomous chapters all over the country. the anarchist black cross provides prisoner support putting money on people's books for their commissary and letter writing and phone bank letter writing campaigns to the prisoners directly encourage them keep their head above water and phone bank campaigns because it's difficult to keep track of people occasionally especially if people have been imprisoned for like political

reasons, just the prison system is pretty, from what I can tell, they seem to be pretty agnostic, politically agnostic. If you're a political prisoner, they don't play nice with you. They like to shuttle you around, generally make your life difficult and the life of people trying to find you difficult. So they'll do like phone bank campaigns, calling various penitentiaries and other people in the government trying to track down their, uh, comrades that have disappeared. A lot of times people in the anarchist black cross are the on the ground

legal observers for the National Lawyers Guild. And they kind of provide the, they're the boots on the ground. They're the foot soldiers for the National Lawyers Guild. The anarchist Black Cross is also quite old. It got founded. I've seen conflicting things anywhere from 1900 to 1905. And then they grew quite larger in 1917 because the fellow I mentioned before Nestor Machnau, the general of the Ukrainian Black Army, he opened several chapters of it just because of the Tsar arresting anarchists and then Lenin and Trotsky weren't too shy about arresting anarchists even as they were like telling them that the Ukrainian anarchists needed to come and help them fight the whites, you know, solidarity, one struggle,

till we shoot you in the back of the head, which is, I think, an important thing to know just the age of these organizations, because there's not anything, ignoring the church, there's not much that's comparable on the right. You could maybe say it's like the Boy Scouts or something like that, but a lot of those old organizations have been compromised, like the Boy Scouts, that's not a thing anymore.

in any meaningful way. So I don't know. I am of the opinion. I'd like to know what you think about this, Pete. I think that the anarchist Black Cross would be a wonderful organization for the dissident right to emulate because it costs nothing to. All you have to have is like the writing skills of a fifth grader, fourth grader, if write somebody an encouraging letter in prison, it costs you postage. And if you send somebody 30 bucks, they can afford water shoes for the shower so they don't get athletes. leant's foot and I so it has almost no overhead I think it would be a good thing for the right

to emulate but I'd like to hear your thoughts on that honestly well I think the thing you're going to run into is is that you're you're going to have to be very selective about who you're reaching out to if they're already institutionalized when you have the when you have people looking at when you have the iosauron on you this is a lot of easier for people to um for for the authorities to recognize um right winger is doing if left winger is you know what i'm using right wing and left wing i mean i don't really it's a terrible term it's just what we have yeah no i i know what you mean yeah but the um yeah i mean it's it's a great idea especially for our you know our brothers who were in there who were who have been wronged but

you know also when you start doing that you you you have a tendency to put eyes on you so it would be a great thing i think it would be a great thing to do but you know it's uh you have to you know you have to weigh way i i will say this um when they would do letter writing of the anarchist black cross the times i saw them doing letter writing um nobody would sign their letters nobody like They would come together as a group. They would all write letters. They didn't all write them to the same people. There was a list.

And they always just used one return address. And it was somebody who was public facing already. Like there was somebody who ran an info shop, what they call their, like, anarchist bookstores. Like the owner of the info shop would mail everything from their address. Nobody would sign anything. They'd just slap. You know, they'd handwrite them, that sort of thing, which I guess, you know, if you're worried about, depending on your level of paranoia, I suppose you could be worried that now they have a sample of your handwriting, even if you didn't sign anything.

But I don't think they're going through things with that fine tooth of a comb, but, you know, I could be wrong. But it was essentially just a bunch of anonymous letters. Yeah. What about one of the orgs you have mentioned here is food, not bombs? Food not bombs is an interesting organization. Also, before I talk about them, this applies to all these organizations, both, everyone that I'm going to talk about, if you Google their name, you will go to, you will get their website that is like the central hub website for the entire country. And that website will have links to all their chapters. So like the Anarchist Black Cross, you'll get taken to a website called the Anarchist Black Cross Federation.

and they have a page that just lists all of their extant chapters. Sometimes they're defunct and it doesn't say so because, you know, shocker anarchists aren't great at, especially left-wing anarchists, are not great at bookkeeping and records. The National Lawyers Guild has a well-cureated website and they have all their chapters listed and, you know, they have the lawyer that's in charge of the chapter listed. because they're almost all headed by a lawyer. And so this is how you like would find where these people are near you. And so food not bombs is, in my opinion, very important, even though it itself does not do much.

The reason it's important is because it's a very, very prolific, very, very large organization. It got started back in the late 70s, early 80s, protesting a nuclear power plant that was getting built in New England. I believe it was Massachusetts. And, you know, their motto was, oh, we want food, not bombs, because, you know, they're stupid people who don't understand that nuclear power is a good thing. It doesn't necessarily entail nuclear weapons, but neither here nor anything. What they have morphed into since then is they don't tend to spin up protests themselves the way the anarchist Black Cross might put out a call to action to other ref-left people through their social networks. Food, not bombs, shows up either to existing protests or to places that they know the homeless or like very, very low-income, like people who live in the projects, like the really shitty parts that are actually, you know, you wouldn't, you wouldn't want your

worst enemy to live, like just the most burnt out part of Detroit or something like that. And they just show up with basically very simple calorie-dense meals that you can get the ingredients for free from like a food shelf, like just rice and beans is a pretty common staple. And they also tend to kind of lean towards the vegan side of things because, you got that many like lefties, especially radical lefties in one place, there's going to be some loud, pushy vegan around. So you just have rice and beans. You can avoid somebody getting up in arms about things because, you know, in that milieu after trans people, vegans are probably the loudest and most pushy people about how you have to accept the way they think about things. So food not bombs is, like I said, it's very prolific.

Like if you go to their website, they have a Google, a Google Maps that has all their pins for every chapter. Some of them are defunct because, again, for all of these organizations, they're autonomous. The people who run the main website aren't going to delete a chapter just because they haven't gotten an email from them for a year saying that they're still up and running. But just for example, like Florida has 30 different. chapters all up and down it. You'll even find them in places like, you know, Sioux Falls,

South Dakota, which is a pretty conservative city. I believe they went like 6040 for Trump in 2020. You know, it's a very red place. They still have a food not bombs chapter there. And it's some, it's,

it's good to know about food not bombs existing because if you want to get eyes on these people in person, you can relatively easily, as long as you're not wearing like, either very expensive clothing, you know, if you're not, if you're not dressed very nicely, or, you know, if you don't have like a swastika tattooed on your forehead or something, you can pretty much just walk up and get some food and you can look around. They're not always run by a lot of Rev Left people.

It's a very broad group. Like you can, a lot of, a lot of food not bombs chapters are run by like the 40-year-old pink-haired lady who really like to listen to NPR. But there are others that are run by Revlev people. And even the ones that aren't you would, like if you had just some neoliberal Kamala is brat, hippie lady running one, you could still get people from, say, the John Brown Gun Club or something like that showing up to talk amongst themselves, especially if they're at a protest.

And for the ones that are just the near homeless encampments are in, in, incredibly run down in decayed urban areas, you'll still get some Rev Left people showing up because, you know, they, a lot of the people who are like part of the white Jewish Red Left, you know, they don't have a lot of money because they are not the most functional people in the world. Some of them are, but a lot of them are not. And they're kind of, they'd be borderline homeless if they didn't collectivize rent and cram into dilapidated houses together and do everything they can to lower costs. So like a fairer. amount of them are like are legitimately running a calorie deficit so if there's rice and beans they'll show up and eat for free they tend to have a lot of personal financial precarity um so yeah food not bombs good thing to look for because just because it's everywhere i again if you pull up if you google them and then you pull up the the map stage a maps insane yeah yeah it's there's so many and i'm sure a a good chunk of them are defunct. Like if you went and looked and told me 20% of them were defunct, I wouldn't be surprised.

But that's still hundreds of them in America alone, let alone the rest of the world. Although I'm not too concerned about that. So they're good, they're good to look at just to find what's around you. And again, you could go there in person. And as, you know, if you just like dress blue collar, nobody's going to bother you. A homeless guy might hassle you and ask if you've got cigarettes, but that'll be about it. Well, what about the international workers of the world? How international are they and how much work do they actually do?

This is like the most boring one. They don't matter. They haven't mattered in a long time. They were founded in 1905. They kind of took part in some of the miners' struggles, like with. the Pinkertons and Appalachia and that sort of thing. But they haven't really been relevant for a long time. I think they lost a lot of membership during the Red Scare, which is pretty fucking cool.

Don't quote me on that. I could be wrong, though. It's been a while since I've read their literature because they're fucking boring as shit. They just want everybody in the world to be anybody who works with their hands, which should be everybody, according to them. It's just in one union. There's just one big union, which personally I think sounds like living hell. But the reason I mention them is because they tend to be boomers, maybe older Xers.

They tend to be, the people who run them tend to be pretty unhappy people because they keep, if they've been in the IWW for a while, they have lost several jobs in their life because they've tried to start a union and failed at the job they were at. And usually it's something really fucking stupid like a mom and pop restaurant. they'll either try to go after like they'll get a job on purpose at a small business with like eight employees and try to start a union and then are shocked when they're fired immediately or they'll try to take on like fucking Walmart or McDonald's or just something absolutely hopeless and they they're like fucking sisyphus but they're doing it to themselves just over and over again and they usually don't have at least the ones I've known like none of them have kids they're not married they haven't had and it's pretty much uniformly schlubby men and they like maybe they haven't had like a relationship in 30 years but they don't exist in a vacuum they only exist where there's other rev left where there's other or maybe not even rev left but uh just a very lively uh further to the left

scene like say a city that's got a large robust DSA chapter or chapters. It's a hobby club for old mart and a lot of them tend to be they are actually, they will call themselves Marxists and not just Marxist, but they'll be like, I'm a classical Marxist. From the couple of chapters I've gone to and the people I've talked to, they don't call them, they're not anything weird. They don't call themselves like a post-Maoist. They're not tankies.

They're not neo-Marxists or new Marxists. They're not Leninists. They're just more classical Marxists. And they're really boring people. But they keep well-c curated lists for their active chapters. And if you find that if you go and look at their website and see that there's an active chapter somewhere near you, then you immediately know that there's other stuff around. Because they and the National Lawyers Guild are the best way to find out if there's more good. going on immediately around you than what you can see at surface level.

But other than that, there's not too much to them. That would be another thing. Excuse me. With that, I would like to transition to some stuff, unless you have questions or anything about some of the, more of the culture, because these are the on the, oh, sorry. Transition out, go where you want to go. So there's other organizations we could talk about.

But before that, I'd like to talk about the actual culture of, it's largely anarchist, but there are other people. Like I have found people at the collective houses I've mentioned where it's literally a post-Maoist collective house. It's like I said, the National Lawyers Guild and the IWW allow you to. see above surface. So below surface would be collective houses, which is where these people congregate, and also online. Like, you know, most of what I know, if you were able to tolerate it, you know, if you were able to read it without getting angry or fed up or that sort of thing, you could find

out most of what I know simply by going to three subredits. There is the communism subreddit, anarchism subreddit. Those are both pretty self-explanatory. And then there's the vagabond subreddit, which is subculture of not all of the people who go to that are revolutionary leftist people, but our vagabond is for traveling people. People who hop trains illegally, people who hitchhike. A lot of them live out of a, you know, anywhere from one to five of them. live out of a Scooby-Doo van. The culture that these people have is, again, it's highly autonomous.

Much like any of the organizations I've mentioned and any of the other organizations that we may get to, every local chapter is autonomous. Like Food Not Bombs, South Orlando, nobody can shut that down except Food Not Bombs, South Orlando. Or if the cops arrest everybody and scatter them to the four corners of the earth. But these people as a group, as a cohort, they are highly decentralized. They do not have anything approaching centralized leadership. Like they don't even have, I would say that as far as like leadership goes, if you look at the distant, right, the people who are big names in like the podcast world,

they have nothing equivalent to that. They have trend setters, but they don't actually have people who can give marching orders. to a small fanatical cohort the way some people on the dissident right or whatever you want to call it can. Like there's never like just for a throwback. There's nothing like, gosh, I can't remember his name. Who's the guy who was in charge of the traditional workers party? Oh, God, I can't remember. Okay, but you know who I'm talking about.

Like, there's no equivalent of that over there. And they don't even have like, you know, they don't have like, like say dimes for blood satellite. He's a big name for Canadian pro-white people. They don't have that in the same way. But they do have, like if you go to those subredits and you read about them, you'll find out very quickly. They have a very robust, completely decentralized network of houses throughout the cities in the country. There's usually large dilapidated houses that the landlord is just desperate to rent out, usually in a ghetto, but not always, but like a ghetto or a barrio.

They will cram as many people as they can into them without the fire marshal getting called so that even though you're living, say, downtown Oakland, your individual rent is only $300, $200 a month because there's 15 of you in a four-story, or excuse me, a four-bedroom split-level house and you just convert a couple of the other rooms into ad hoc bedroom. and, you know, they also don't have the problem that a lot of people on the right do where they're like, oh, I could never apply for food stamps. That, you know, I'm lazy. I'm stealing.

I'm just like, no, give me that money. Fuck you. This government shouldn't exist anyways. And they'll apply for everything they can. They'll take anything they can get their grasping little fingers on. They will grab. And they maintain lines of communication. between the houses.

A lot of times, the most common form of the collective house is a punk house. These are like what you think of, when you think of like the really, really shitty Antifa, like the stuff like the chick that Nathan Domingo punched, moldy locks, stuff like that. You'll have a punk house. That's where people, you know, they're sleeping together doing Lord only knows what. Most of the people are probably doing drugs or drinking too much. They don't really have a, they're not mission oriented. If protest and riot season comes around, they're very happy to boil out of their house and go make a stink of things and generally be unpleasant.

But other than, and then those houses tend to implode after a couple of years for obvious reasons because they're just, you know, they're basically flop houses that have some political literature laying around. and they get derisively referred to as a lifestyle anarchists a lot of time by people who have left who consider themselves more disciplined and more ideologically serious. The less common type of collective house would be a mission-oriented one, like the Maoist house that I mentioned that I had seen. It called itself a resource-based house, and there was a guy who was in charge of it, and he would like order people around. who lived there and like give them uh assignments like at occupy wall street he'd hand like everybody who lived there a stack of x many x number of uh DVDs and pamphlets and tell them just go hand them out recruit people to the Maoist the post malice cause it was it was kind of weird um the Yeah. And then they're like some of the organization we've mentioned, like I've seen food not bombs houses. I've seen anarchist black cross houses. I know there's a couple of the John Brown Gun Club. I know there are John Brown Gun Club houses that exist. I've never seen one because I've, the ones that I've heard of sprang up after I had jettisoned on these people. And then of course there are the Trantifa collective houses, which I'm sure you've heard of those like that.

the ranch out in Colorado that ended up like having a giant pile of llama or alpaca corpses hidden under a tarp or the one into England where they turned into some, it's just a bunch of trans people living together who turned into a murder cult that started attacking their neighbors. They don't seem to do very well. Long-term shocker, they're unstable. And those houses, they're also there. the people who do the traveling, like if you go to that our vagabond that I mentioned, the train hopping, hitchhiking people, they will move from house to house and they have a completely off the grid effectively form of travel.

Because I mean, you know, if you're a normal person, the train line is not, like freight lines are not part of the transit system. So it might not be off grid in the most technical sense, but I think of it that way. You can move rapidly across the country if you know what you're doing without any interference. Nobody's going to know you're there. Nobody's going to know where you came from or where you're going. You can effectively vanish. Do you have any questions about any of the particulars that I've just thrown out?

No, no, I think it's pretty straightforward. I think what we should probably look at is definitely how to recognize that activities. is happening in your area and what you could possibly do about it. Okay. Well, I would say the easiest way to do it if you want to digitally would be what I said before about looking stuff or looking up these different orgs and seeing what's close to you. And you can always check it out yourself or see if there's like a, like say hypothetically

you lived in Seattle and you had no idea how to find, like I know they're ubiquitous. in Seattle, but it's easy example. You know, you found the Rose City Antifa page, and they just, the Rose City Antifa Facebook page will just, like, post, or at least they used to, they would post, like, what they were going to do, when, and where. As for the actual infestations, if you have a problem with the homeless in your city, I would very much advise anyone listening to go to the vagabond subreddit. and just punch in your city's name and see what people have to say about it on that subreddit.

Because places that are easy to get to and from, like Chicago, for example, it's very easy if you're hopping trains or hitchhiking or if you've got a little bit of scratch, taking Greyhound to get anywhere in the country. But, you know, you'll get much, much smaller places than that because they do end up in, you know, because the freight rails do go everywhere. Obviously, the roads go everywhere if it's a hitchhiker. but you can find out if your locality has a positive reputation among these people. And if you've got a homeless problem and it's got a positive reputation among the traveling people, that's something you can bring to the attention of your police department, your sheriff's department, your city council, because if they view your city as being a place to get to and from easily

and that you are lax in enforcing rules about urban camping. If you have lots of benefits that get handed out, or if you have the misfortune of having one of these various church charities that have been hijacked by the tiny hats and queers, they'll tell each other about it. Oh, this is a great place to go. The cops won't bother you if you're sleeping on a park bench, and there's these nice older women who will hand out food four or five times a week.

And they will. So there is a possibility that there is a pipeline directly into your locality, even a smaller city of like 50,000, 40,000 people. Because I've looked up some of the smaller cities in my state and the surrounding states. They are mentioned quite warmly on the Vagabond website or the Vagabond subreddit, excuse me. And as those people travel, you know, they don't, they're not, they're not going to be nomads for five, ten years for most of them. It's usually something people do for a few years. And when they end up stopping a lot, a large chunk of them, in fact, I would say a majority either end up at a collective house or they have gotten, they've made enough connections with other people who want to have a collective house that they start their own. as far as identifying collective houses go, it's both very easy and difficult.

It used to be, but it's not that it doesn't seem to be so much anymore that collective houses would have like a Facebook page or a Twitter page or something like that, but they don't seem to do that as much anymore. Or usually a collective house will give itself a name of some kind could be like the riot house or the St. Louis anarchist Black Cross House. If you actually see in person, though, if you stumble across one in person, it's pretty easy to identify them. If there's several people milling about who are obviously rather punk and, you know, like they've got. that tattered clothing. They're trying to be counterculture in general. And there's a lot of them there. And they have anything for like a pirate flag to a trans flag or anarchist flag.

Well, you know, that's obviously a dead giveaway hammer and sickle. They can have all sorts of things. Any like environmental struggle stuff, you know, it's like they really do stick out. And they, it does tend to be like run down houses. And with, again, just enough people. in them that the fire marshal can't do anything about it or that even assumes that the landlord would care to call the fire marshal because a lot of these houses that they inhabit are just such like think the the house they lived in from fight club you know it's like it's just somewhere like

just desolate and it's not that it'd be in like a business district like that but like plonked down in the middle of a neighborhood of the middle of detroit there's you know just just this rundown crap hole house where every single square foot of the roof leaks and like these people are very fine with living in almost absolute squalor it's it's uh it's impressive to some degree but it's also kind of horrifying um so as far as like finding the collective houses that's kind of a kind of a crap shoot excuse me um they that's just something where you you would have to almost like talk to people in person to like start figuring out where that sort of thing happens. Or, you know, again, if you know, like really desolate neighborhoods, you could, you know, I guess if you have nothing better to do, you can go driving around and looking.

Although that's not something I would do, even if gas were at a sane price because that's, you know, needle in a haystack. Another way you could find them, this would be easier than looking for a collective house. they tend to have a couple of types of businesses they like to run they like to run bike shops because a lot of them ride bikes you know these are not people who have stable employment or if they do have um even a lot of them are self-employed even the ones like with stable income they tend to like do it in very strange ways like collecting scrap metal or doing under the table body modification stuff or um having a i've known a couple of i know if i've I met a couple of larger people who had a very elaborate plasma selling scam where they were going to like two plasma companies at the same time. But they had like a, they were cycling it as fast as they possibly could without dying. The extremes these people will go to to not have to flip burgers to afford rent is truly mind boggling sometimes. But so they have bike shops because a lot of, and they will actually be like a, business bike shop, the bike repair shops, because since they do have such financial precarity,

having a bike is a good way to get around, especially if you're, you know, you're in an urban environment. If you've got train like actual light rail, like commuter trains that can be hopped and you can, you know, take your bike on, not pay and then bike away. And, you know, it's easier to commit crimes in a lot of cases if you're on a bike because it's going to be difficult for the cops to follow you. And so they get good at repairing them and they get good at cobbling them together and making Frankenstein bikes. They will, uh, so occasionally they'll open like bike shops.

And then they have the info shops I mentioned earlier, which are bookstores. Um, they're not very good bookstores usually. Like they tend to be, uh, on the lower side for, uh, the volume of material they have because they also get used as organizing spaces. And a lot of times they will afford rent by just getting donations. Like if the anarchist Black Cross, the chapter local to that city has a weekly meeting. They will meet at an info shop. They will, all the individual members will donate towards their rent.

Then one other way that you'll see a fair amount of these people. This is the traveling people in particular. They'll do what they call spangings. Just mean it's a truncated way to say. spare change. And that's, you know, if you've ever seen people who look like they're extras in a movie from the Great Depression, just sitting around down the downtown of any major city, playing like, you know, for, for no good reason at all, there's some guy with a bunch of tattoos wearing overalls and a cowboy hat playing a fucking banjo. There's a decent chance that he's

like some kind, like one of these people. Like they, for some reason, they think they're hillbillies. they're not. I don't know why they do this. I think it has to do with a lot of them tend to be middle class, white and Jewish kids to upper middle class and they decide not to go to college and they're going to prove that they're salt of the earth by saying y'all and dressing very oddly. But another way you could find these people would be to pay attention to like where there are, like if there's a tourist row in your city, like a tourist shopping row, if there are obvious homeless people playing instruments and they're young and they look odd, there's a chance because not all of them will be traveler kids and there's a chance that some of them will be

from these houses. And, you know, if you find out where one of those houses are, you could start calling the fire marshal. And if you find out that there's an info shop being proposed in your town because you're, you know, paying attention on the internet to, like, you know, you just Google once or twice a month, like anarchist library, my city's name, that sort of thing. And you find out that they're trying to rent in a strip mall, you know, you can go harass your city council. I'll be like, no, you can't let them do that. We don't need these kind of people here. And I think this is important because, you know, these groups, these people provide, because they're self-motivated and because they're autonomous. and they're self-funded.

They provide sort of a permanent cadre of, you know, they consider themselves revolutionaries, insurrectionists. Their existence is something that when something like the George Floyd riots happen, these people, unprompted by the regime, boil out into the street. And they provide infrastructure, with cultural infrastructure, and to some degree physical infrastructure. structure that the rioters can coalesce around. I firmly believe, like, Summer of Love and the Ferguson BLM riots and all the way back

to the Occupy rights, none of those would have gotten as ugly as they did in a given locality if these particular group of Antifa did not exist there. Like, one thing I have noticed is that with the No Kings rallies, these people haven't been showing up to the No Kings rallies very much because they're they don't like neoliberal hippie types those people will to some degree report on them to the cops if they uh start getting out of hand and like say like the during the George Floyd riots when the guy accidentally broke a rev left guy broke a window on a synagogue and everybody around him started freaking out um so like at the no the no kings rally you know that's just mostly just like angry liberals and

If you look at the amount of effort that the regime is like putting into creating the no kings rallies to happen, like, you know, just the amount of like advertising they're doing, like the effort and money that they're expending to get boots out into the street. You know, to some degree, like, and they all, and it's only day long rallies, you know, and then it's over. or maybe it'll last the whole weekend. And that is done. If they were to have these Rev. Left people present and among them, they might be able to sustain something longer. I'm not sure why that hasn't happened yet.

There's a culture clash to some degree. From what I've seen, the internal dialogue the revolutionary left is having. They don't trust the no-kings rallies. They are very trepidious about going to them. you know, that's a thing that could change and they are watching them. And, you know, if the situation changes, that's something where they could get involved and start going more than they have been. Honestly, I think my voice is starting to give out. So I'm going to have to stop there.

I had a bit more, but I don't think I'm able to get to it. I apologize. Oh, no problem. man, I mean, just being able to do this and I can tell you we're struggling right from the start. So, you know, I think that there's a lot of information here that's beneficial. So I don't think anybody's going to complain at all. And I mean, you toughed it out, man. I appreciate it.

Yeah. If I don't really exist on social media at all. But if somebody were to want to talk to me because they wanted me to actually help them look into their locality in particular, I'd be very willing to. Gordon from the AmeriConnor Network has said that if people contact him, he'll forward me their info. Same thing. Same thing. If anybody wants any information, wants to reach out to you. If they give me an email address, I'll give you the email address.

and you can reach out to them or set up something on cellogram or something like that. I appreciate it. And then I'm not a podcast person and I have no intention of being a podcast person. I'm going to talk about this topic for a few interviews and that I'm going to disappear from the internet forever. But so as far as like my personal shilling of stuff goes, people should give Pekuonis dimes from blood satellite and Gordon Cull for AmeriConnor more money. I do appreciate that and I know a little bit about your personal situation and I know why you would once you get off the internet because some things are some things are a little bit more important at this point. Yeah, I just like I said at the beginning, you know, I've I've been watching the dissident right for about a decade and I just now that no Kings has happened I'm actually worried something, you know, something could kick off again. And like I said, you know, I don't have any special secret knowledge.

Like I said, if somebody had been very autistic about Antifa and they had just like gone through the subredits and their other forums, they could find out everything I know. I'm not that smart or anything. I just happened to be someone who was dumb enough to live around these people for a while. Well, well, I do appreciate you. And, yeah. Thank you for hosting me. Of course. And if I have anybody reach out to me, I will.

I will send that information your way. Thank you very much, Pete. I really appreciate your time. Take care of yourself. Bye.