The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1389: Ostrovsky's 'The Other Side of Deception' - Pt. 2 - w/ Philos Miscellany

Episode Date: June 30, 2026

118 MinutesPG-13Philos Miscellany has a YouTube channel in which he reviews rare books.Philos joins Pete to discuss former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky's 1994 book, "The Other Side of Deception."Philo's YouTube ChannelPete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's Substack Pete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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I'm doing very well, Pete. Sorry, I missed you at the annual event, but hopefully next year. Yeah, I understand why you couldn't make it. And, yeah, perfectly fine. And plus, yeah, told your stories about the stuff that was going, you know, just, I got ill. I got it. I got while I was there. So, yeah, I wasn't, I got to spend some time with some people, but I left a little bit early. But, I mean, I didn't want to. So, but yeah, we did miss you, man.

Yeah, well, glad you've made a full recovery since then. Yeah, yeah. All right, man. Everything you've told me about this second book is really, really interesting. So I'll just let you jump in, get right ahead. Yeah, so first off, if you haven't seen the first episode of this series, you must watch it. Stop at this point. Go back, watch it, then start again, because that really is going to explain the training, the mentality, the author's identity, the nature of his relationship with his citizenships, with his loyalties, with his network, with the history of the events that he was.

involved in, and very little of this book is going to make sense without that first bridge. To be a good podcast guest, there were a few comments on the first part, and I just wanted to sort of address one of the major points that one of the comments brought up, which is, is Epstein involved? This is a very relevant question given Epstein's involvement with Mossad. and also the connection between intelligence agencies, the United States and Israel, that has been a hot button item in the news, basically for my whole life, but in a particular microscopic focus since Trump's second term began. To answer it specifically, no.

Epstein is not directly mentioned, but Robert Maxwell is in the second to last chapter of the book. I'm going to start there since it is most relevant to today, and then we're going to proceed normally. And just so I'm doing it justice, I'm going to read the whole chapter. It's only about three pages, but I think it's so pertinent and relevant to today that it would be a disservice to the audience not to read it. So, Chapter 31 Wednesday, October 30th, 1991. Robert Maxwell's contact was not in the best of moods when he received a call on a special secure line at the Israeli embassy in Madrid. Maxwell was phoning from London, saying it was imperative that a meeting be set up.

He was willing to come to Madrid. The ties between Maxwell and the Mossad went back a long way. elements within the Massad had offered to finance Maxwell's first big business ventures, and in later years, Maxwell received inside information on global matters from the office. That's a nickname for the Mossad. Maxwell was originally codenamed the little check, and the sobriquet stuck. Only a handful of people in the Israeli intelligence community knew who the little check was, yet he provided an unending supply of slush money for the organization whenever

ran low. For years, Maxwell would hit financial lows whenever the Mossad was in the midst of expensive operations that could not be funded legitimately and when other less legitimate sources were unavailable, as was the case after the American invasion of Panama 1990, which dried up the Mossad's income from drug trafficking and forced Maxwell to dig deep into his corporate pockets. But the Mossad had used its ace in the hole one time too many. Asking Maxwell to get involved in a matter of secondary importance, namely the Vanunu affair, had been a big mistake for which the media mogul would be made to pay the price. That involvement caused suspicion in the British Parliament that there was no smoke without fire, particularly after the publication of a book by an American

reporter claiming Maxwell was a Mossad agent. Maxwell retaliated in a lawsuit, but the ground was starting to burn under his feet. The Mossad was late in giving him back his money, and the usual last-minute rescue of his financial empire was looking less and less feasible. For Maxwell, what was already bad was about to get worse. His call couldn't have been more poorly timed. Israel was participating in a peace negotiation process that the Mossad top-click believed would be detrimental to the country's security. At the same time, news was reaching the office of a growing scandal caused by Mossad involvement in Germany. This scandal was a result of Uri's, it's another Mossad agent, having made a a call to the Hamburg River police informing them that a shipment of arms was about to be loaded onto

an Israeli ship. The arms consisted of Soviet tanks and anti-aircraft equipment, concealed in large crates marked agricultural equipment. The shipment had been arranged with the help of the BND, without the knowledge of the German government or Ministry of Defense. It was exactly the same equipment that the Ministry of Defense had refused to send to Israel in March of the same year, because they believed the shipment would defy the German law forbidding the shipment of war. war material to a conflict zone. The Mossade's right-wing element wasn't sure to what extent this scandal would grow. They remembered very well the scandal that had occurred in 1978 when the German police had allowed Mossad officials posing as German intelligence officers to interrogate Palestinians

in German prisons. If the German government could contain the situation, things would be fine. But once the story was in the hands of the media, there was no telling where it would go. And then came this call from Maxwell, insisting he must meet his contact on a matter of great urgency. The mogul was rebuffed at first, but then he issued a failed threat. Now that he was being investigated by Parliament in the British media, if he wasn't able to straighten out his financial affairs, he wasn't sure he could keep the Kriyakov meeting a secret. What he was referring to, and in doing so he sealed his fate, was a meeting that he'd helped arrange between the Mossade liaison and the former head of the KGB, Vledemir Krikyov.

who was now jailed in number four Romance Center in Moscow for his role in the Soviet Union's August coup to oust Mikhail Gorbachev. At that meeting, which took place on Maxwell's yacht at anchor in Yugoslav waters, Mossad's support for the plot to oust Gorbachev was discussed. The Mossad promised to bring about, through its political connections, an early recognition of the new regime, as well as other logistical assistance for the coup. In exchange, it requested that all Soviet Jews to be released, or rather expelled, which would create a massive exodus of people that would be too large to be absorbed by other countries, and would therefore go to Israel.

Certain right-wingers within the government had believed this meeting with the coup plotters was a necessity. They knew that if the Soviet Union were to stop being the enemy, there would no longer be a threat from the east, and the strategic value of Israel to its greatest ally, the United States, would diminish. Alliances between the United States and the Arab nations in the region would then be a realistic process. It was Maxwell who'd helped create the Thai, eyes with the now defunct KGB. The right-wingers realized it would be a devastating blow to Israel standing in the West if the world were to learn that the Mossad had participated in any way,

as minute as that participation might be, in the attempted coup to stop the democratization of the Soviet Union. It would be perceived as treason against the West. Maxwell was now using the Mossad's participation as a threat, however veiled, to force an immediate burst of aid to his ailing empire. His contact asked him to call back in a few hours. A small media, a small media, of right-wingers at Mossad headquarters resulted in a consensus to terminate Maxwell. At first, the participants thought it would take several weeks to put together a plan, but then someone pointed out that the process could be accelerated if the little check could be made to travel to a rendezvous where the Mossad would be waiting to strike.

Maxwell was asked to come to Spain the following day. His contact promised that things would be worked out and that there was no need to panic. The mogul was asked to sail on his yacht to Madeira and wait there for a message. Maxwell arrived in Gibraltar on August 31, 1991, boarded his lot, the Lady Gislane, and set Sarah Flomadira as instructed. There he waited for directions. Meanwhile, the Mossad was getting ready to strike. On Friday, November 1st, a special Massad troubleshooting team that was in Spain to cover the peace talks was dispatched. The team flew to Morocco, where they were met by a Confederate who had already taken care of all the necessary equipment and other arrangements. At first, Maxwell was told that the meeting would take place in Madeira, and that he'd receive as much money as he needed to calm the situation, additional monies would be advanced to him later. All this was to be kept completely quiet, since there was no point in providing more fodder for his enemies, who would have liked nothing better than to show his direct connection to the Mossad. On November 2nd, the Mossad learned that

Maxwell had called his son in England, and scheduled a meeting with him on the island. Maxwell was told to cancel the meeting. He was also told that the meeting with the money people would now take place on the island of Tenerife. When he reached Santa Cruz on the island of Tenerif, he headed for a meeting in the Hotel Menci. As he dined alone in the hotel restaurant, someone walked over to him and gave him a message, indicating that he should be in Los Christos

on the other side of the island the next morning. He was to make his way there on his yacht, sailing around the island of Grand Canary. I learned all this in a phone call with Ephraim. Ephraim, Slight diversion, was the deputy director of Mossad when Mr. Ostrovsky was an agent there, and he was headed the Mossad later on as well, all the way up until about 2002.

Continuing, I learned all this in a phone conversation with Ephraim. He had no idea how the Kidon team had managed to get to Maxwell at sea while Vigant was cruising at 15 knots, but making it look impossible was part of the Kidon magic. Sometime during the night of November 4th to 5th, the Mossad's problem was laid to rest in the salty waters of the Atlantic. After an autopsy that raised more questions than it answered, a second autopsy was held in Israel under the watchful eye of the security apparatus. Whatever was not detected then was buried forever on Mount of Olives in Jerusalem, the resting place for the nation's most revered heroes. He had done more for Israel than can today be said.

Prime Minister Shamir eulogized at Maxwell's burial. what do you think about that pete i mean i'm not shocked it's it's just um you know when you i think a lot of people would be freaked out by that and just be like how could they do that to someone who was so good to them and yada yada yada of this and yada yada of that and they see why they did it and then you just have to remember i mean they literally just kill kids you know they like They like kill kids. And, I mean, but, you know, once you realize the implications of all that and where that money was, the money that he was, he was moving around was going where the things that that Mossad was doing

to make money, I mean, you're just, it's kind of hard to fall back on that whole thing about how Israel is a junior partner in this relationship. No. And I'm about to present eight pages single spaced of evidence to that point. It's really, I mean, there's so many different incredible things in this book. That being kind of the most pertinent example I could bring up without waxing poetic too much. I mean, this incident happened 35 years ago. This book was published 30 years ago, and because of this network's continued existence,

financially trafficking drugs, trafficking arms, trafficking people, this is still a very real problem now, which is insane. I, you know, the same network and individuals involved even. So it's baffling that this is the case. I kind of want to talk about the nature of the second. But they're a democracy and we wouldn't exist without them. I've heard that this week multiple times. A democracy with no constitution and the only society on Earth that has the death penalty for one ethnic group but not equally applied to all of its citizens.

Well, not only that, I mean, they are literally a socialist regime. Yeah, and, man, man, man. Okay, so some context for this book. This book is the sequel. This is the 1994, the other side of deception book. One thing that he reveals in this book that I hadn't read the second book when Pete and I reviewed the first book. One thing he reveals in this book is that he was still a member of Mossad when the first book was published. So very interesting kind of, you know, advertising yourself as a former Mossad agent while you're still in it.

His little, you know, that's an interesting move to make with your personal safety. And I kind of wanted to get a bigger impression of this guy. You know, who is this author? I looked up some interviews with him. There's one interview on C-SPAN from 1995, and he is basically just kind of summarizing his different viewpoints of Israel and the culture and the nature of Mossad and the intelligence agencies. We'll get into what exactly he talks about. But at the time, it was a very niche publication situation for this book.

So he publishes the first book in 1990. It sells about 8 million copies right off the jump. So he publishes it and he goes on this media tour. He goes on Larry King. He goes on NBC. All these different organizations to promote his book. But a Canadian judge literally puts a gag order on him for 10 days. So he goes on these interviews and literally can't say anything about the book legally.

That's a problem. The second book gets published, same publisher, same organization, same promotion, same advertising. It was not reviewed in any newspaper in North America. Not one media organization reviewed it, except the Phoenix Gazette. And so when the Phoenix Gazette reviewed this book, Benaybrith walked into the newspaper's office and asked the journalist who wrote the review to resign for anti-Semitism. And that's notable because the same author says that that is the Mossad's strategy of character defamation, which is used to counter any opposition to Israel.

And that same Mr. Ostrowski, the author, lays out that this is a suicidal strategy, that the Mossad and the Israelis that are doing this, they don't really understand how dangerous this is for their own position to go around accusing other people of anti-Semitism. Now, you're probably thinking, well, Phylos, we are 30 years into the future. Things have changed. Nope.

Nope, they haven't. Anything that they've gotten worse. But I think it was interesting how this guy was able to put something out on C-SPAN. And I was thinking a lot about this. How is this guy even able to publish these books? Well, one, it's a very interesting time in Israeli history because it's after the fall of the Soviet Union. So the U.S., I mean, Israel has to buddy up more with the United States. And the prime minister of Israel at the time when he was publishing the first book,

is a man named Yitzhak Shamil, who was the head of Mossad from 1955 to 1965, and that the kind of the Ephraim guy in both books is the deputy head of the Mossad, and kind of throughout both books, he's really shielding this individual, this author from kind of the bullshit of the organization and the buddy-fucking that's happening in terms of screwing over your other agents. And also, he worked with Ostrovsky in facilitating the Iranian-Israel-Jordan Peace Treaty in 1994. So I think, you know, it's impossible to say with all this espionage, all the lies, all the manipulation, killing sex, and everything else, exactly what's happening here. But it's a very interesting time that there's the sort of beginnings of,

the PLO and Camp David Accords, there's facilitating Israel's peace treaties with other Arab nations. Culturally within Israel, this era, the early 1990s is perceived as like the last real shot at reconciliation with the Palestinians in the Arab world. That's how Israelis today view it. And that all ends with the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin by an ultra-Orthodox Jew, who's, I think, a Khanist, which the Mossad, there's interesting relationships between them and the Kahanists. That's the Jewish Defense League. Sorry, Jewish Defense Force, I always forget. I think it's Jewish Defense League.

But they're like an even crazier, more extreme group of Zionists than the Mossad. You can even say that's possible. But all these very delicate political internal things are. happening within Israel, and I frankly, my perception is that the deputy head of the Mossad is running cover for him to publish the book. And Ostrovsky in facilitating the groundwork for the Israel-Jordan Peace Treaty that happens after the book is published, and before Yad-Sakrabin is assassinated, basically publishes the second book at a perfect time to prevent it from being, yes, it's censored and not reviewed anywhere, but the publication itself wasn't stopped.

And today, now, Mr. Ostrovsky is living his life in the United States comfortably, as I understand it. So presumably he has a pretty good working relationship still in Mossad, despite kind of giving the biggest exposéantel all ever published on them. So anyway, big kind of overview of the publication of the book here. looking at the second book as I kind of go through this the details of specific operations and contacts the author knew they're less pertinent to our story there's a lot of like really cheesy blow-by-blows about you know sexual with liaisons for espionage this cinematic dialogue where he always has these witty one-liners that he has the perfect response to everyone else the book is horrifically edited and there's essentially just no need for us to get into it. I'd much rather focus on tying in this book's relevance to today because I was inspired by both the Star Chamber and the Inquisition. If you're listening to this, you must be subscribed to both

or you're not getting the full picture of anything. Basically, Stormy and Dark Enlightenment, and then also on Star Chamber and a separate appearance, they detail how all of this stuff is ongoing with the same networks, all the key figures are outlined, and how all of this is completely unchanged, and the exact nature of the U.S. Israel relationship is fully discussed on the Inquisition. So even though I'm talking about something from 30 years ago,

when I'm about to get into tying its relevance into today, really just lays more and more evidence towards that thesis. So, I mean, let's talk about the most, I'm going to go through this in terms of, like, most to least relevant in terms of the book's content through the rest of this episode. So let's talk about the most relevant figure that's discussed in the other side of deception. That is a man named Jonathan Pollard. Now, Jonathan Pollard is a former U.S. Navy intelligence analyst who was convicted of spying for Israel, I believe, in the late 1980s. In November 2020, the Trump administration's Department of Justice allowed Pollard's restrictive five-year parole terms to expire. And when his parole expired, he immediately moved to Israel and lives in Jerusalem.

Furthermore, on his final day in office in January 2021, President Trump granted a full federal pardon to Aviam Sela, the Israeli Air Force officer who originally recruited and managed Pollard during his espionage activities. That same Aviam Sella, pardoned in 2021, is mentioned in this 1994 book as Pollard's direct handler who was recruited by Mossad. So no daylight. The time continues. The players are exactly the same. You know, this strategy also of pardoning people on their final day in office as a president,

you know, I kind of. I kind of want to almost do an episode at some point of who those people are for each administration, because another one who was pardoned by Bill Clinton on his last day in office in 2001 was Mark Rich, the same Mark Rich who was detailed in Stormy's Inquisition episode. So, anyway, let's go back to Pollard. Pollard's Israeli handlers, Aviam Sella is one of them, was granted immunity from prosecution in the United States in exchange for cooperation after Pollard's arrest. This man's role, however, was totally unknown to the Americans and the Israelis were not forthcoming about his involvement. For this reason, Sala was not giving any kind of immunity when the role was eventually uncovered during an investigation.

Israel then refused to extradite Sala for questioning. In March 1987, a federal grand jury indicted Sala on three counts of espionage, which has a max sentence of life in prison and a half a million dollar fine. Israel was not required to extradite him under the U.S. Israel extradition treaty, as the treaty does not cover cases of espionage. How convenient. Okay. So, Pollard and his handler Sela, very important to understand. Since then, Pollard has endorsed Israeli far-right minister Itamal Ben-Gviel, who is notorious in Israeli politics for being kind of the first. right public facing official in the Knesset. Pollard has also advocated a population transfer

to relocate Gaza's Palestinians to Ireland. Let's real quick go back to Sella, the handler. March 3rd, 1987, Sela within Israel, was given command of Telnaf Air Base, which is a very strategic location within Israel. The U.S. Congress was very alarmed by this because he'd been convicted on three counts of espionage. So Congress said, hey, we're going to cut aid to Israel, which in the 1980s was actually a conceivable thing that Congress could possibly potentially do, inconceivable as it is today. U.S. officials in Israel were instructed to have no contact with Sella or with the airbase itself so long as he commanded it. Israel refused to relieve him of his duties, creating tensions.

Sela then resigned on March 30th to diffuse these tensions and subsequently was appointed as an instructor in Israel's National Security College, which now today trains the U.S. military and other allied nations. Now, of course, you'd think that'd be the end of it, right? 30 years ago, the guy was an officer. He retires as a colonel in the 1980s.

End a story, right? Nope. September 2021, just five years ago. Sela was promoted, brought back in to the Israeli Air Force at the request of Amikam Nolkin, the commander of the Israeli Air Force, with the approval from IDF Chief of Staff Aviv Kulchavi and Minister of Defense Benny Gunz. He was originally promoted to Brigadier General in 1987, but he actually left it before the receiving the rank. He was so, you know, so a whole freaking 40-ishly years later, they bring him back to make him a major general.

And the people that do it are the ones that are running Israel today. So again, there's time distance, but zero daylight, same people, same respect. Okay. Robert Maxwell already covered him. We can get a little bit into Rabbi Mair Kahana, who's next most relevant. Itamar Ben-Gaville, who is the leader of Utsma Yehudit, which is literally in Hebrew, means Jewish power. He is a staunch, Itemal Ben-Gaville is a staunch devotee of Kahane's ideology, and he rose to become a central minister in Israel's government, and he is heavily aligned with

Trump publicly celebrating each and every one of Trump's geopolitical stances. With some recent exceptions to the cessation of the conflict with Iran, last person, most interestingly, Yitzhak Shamil. Shemir is the right-wing Likud Prime Minister of Israel during the peak era of Ostrowski's narrative. So Trump never actually had diplomatic interactions with Shemir, but he worked intensely and closely

with Shamir's political protégé, mentee, and direct successor in Likud, binjamin Netanyahu. Trump's major diplomatic actions, such as recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital. These represented the fulfillment of different right-wing geopolitical frameworks that were established and laid out as aspirational goals during Shemir's era.

So, I mean, what else is there to say on this? All of this stuff in this 30-year-old book is completely relevant and tied in to today. Next up, I'm going to go into an interview with the author because I think the book is sensational. It's dramatized. It's over the top. But I think an interview with the author gives more insight into exactly who this person is. I went through it. And a lot of his conclusions are stuff that I agree with. But also, you know, I think expose a lot of understanding of the Israeli psyche. So he did this interview, September 1995. You can find it on C-SPAN. It's called Massad influence on U.S. policy. He starts right off the jump.

The subject is the influence of intelligence on politics. He starts right off the bat. Someone asks him, are Jews a race, a nation, a religion, what are they? He says he believes that Ashkenazi Jews are descended from the Khazars. So, I mean, not something that would fly today. The author believes, Mr. Ostrovsky, he believes Mossad is causing harm both to Israel and to the United States. That's why he published these two books. He asserts that Mossad views the United States, quote, as a tool to its own end, as a playing ground. They have things that we want and we take it. Mr. Ostrowski asserts that the U.S. is a cash machine to the rest of the world.

U.S. politicians hand out these ATM cards to the rest of the world, and they go to the United States, where these cards, so to speak, have no limit. He distinguishes briefly. He says Israel and the Mossad, they convinced themselves of this myth, that during the Cold War, that Israel was the only Western country in the Middle East, and this necessitated U.S. support against the U.S. SSR. He argues that there was a period of time that this was a true statement between about 1948 and 1977, which I mentioned in the first podcast. But then once the Kudgian power, this changed radically. My own interpretation of this, I think that this is a false bullshit dichotomy between the Haganah slash Ilgun and the Etzel-Lehi groups in the War of Independence. To an America, audience, he's presenting this as some sort of division or some back and forth between the

Labor Party and Lakoud. But as we know, the prime minister at the time, head of Mossad from 1955 to 1965, that man, Yitzhak Shamil, he founded the Lehi. So he was in charge of one of these more radical groups. What makes these groups radical? Well, he portrays that Irgun is not so radical, but I have a very interesting book here called Psychological Warfare and propaganda, Irgun Documentation, and the actual printed edition I have is from the Center for Strategic and International Studies. If you haven't heard of that, referenced Stormy's latest Inquisition episode. There's a line in it from one of the Irguin letters where they wrote a letter to the United States, several members of Congress, and which they said, in every barrel of oil

which your standard and sokony companies will get from the Anglo-Iranian company, there will be at least one drop of Jewish blood. What else do they continue with? What makes the Irgun so radical? Well, 0.4 of the basic outline of the program of the Hebrew Freedom Movement, founded by Ilguns Vailyumi, the freedom movement will strive to foster understanding and friendly relations between the Hebrew state and the USSR,

who consistently helped in achieving the first phase of our independence in our homeland. Point five. We shall foster understanding and friendly relations with the great American nation, in whose midst there live millions of Jews, devoted supporters of the Hebrew state, many among them potential citizens of Eretz Israel. Point six, we shall foster friendship and understanding with the countries of Europe, proud heirs of a long history of wars for liberation. Specifically, he's talking about France. So USSR, United States, France, who within them, right, this is not like a call to the Gentiles.

This is a call to the Jews within these countries. So that's the Iguun. Does that sound not radical? No. Anyway, continuing with Mr. Ostrovsky's interview here from C-SPAN, he claims that Zionism is a secular movement, not a messer, Oceanic movement. He asserts that the religious angle itself logically leads to no claim on the physical land of Israel, which the religious Israelis struggle in dealing with a contradiction amongst their own theology. This is like a much more leftist Israeli view, which is honestly, statistically,

Pew Research Center investigated this. Leftists are only about, when I say leftists, it's kind of a meaningless statement. I mean, people that don't believe the full Zionist agenda, really, in Tel Aviv, let's say. That's only like 5 to 10 percent of the population, statistically. It's even fewer during the wartime. He then mentions Jabotinsky. There's all sorts of streets in Israel named after Jabotinsky. One of Jabotinsky, he says, the Mossad abides by Jabotinsky's famous quote, with blood and fear, we will build up. us a nation which is cruel, honest, and fearless. Ostrovsky claims that the Mossad moved the American Jewish community further to the right.

And how does their radicalized Jewish community operate? Well, when the Sionym are recruited by Mossad, Ostrovsky states that 70% of them or so will decline, but none of them, none of these Jews living overseas, will ever turn them into Gentile, This enables extremely rapid recruitment for the network to provide cars, doctors, weapons, safe houses, whatever is needed. So if you have a team of five Khatim on the ground in London, you can quickly establish, he says, between 300 and 400 possible people to assist in whatever capacity. So Mossad doesn't need to invest any resources in laying any kind of logistics or groundwork, which is a massive impediment for other spy agencies. Ostrowski asserts that there is no such thing as dual loyalty citizenship.

When talking about free trade, he jokes, America has free trade with Israel, and Israel, for free, gives nothing back. I mean, it's like, I thought that was kind of a good one. It's later on in the interview, someone asks him, you know, Mr. Ostrowski, how can you be both a Canadian citizen and an Israeli citizen, if you remember the Mossad. And he says, well, as a Canadian, I would never need to go and fight Israel,

but I would not do so if it was required. And if Israel ever attacked Canada, I would not be involved with it, and I would be opposed to it, which is like a, it's just a fucking bullshit answer. I mean, like, you'd be an idiot if you thought Mossad did no operations in Canada. Well, I mean, even what's his name? Gadsad, sad faggot. He admitted to be in a say, a cyanim and in an interview. And, oh, they told me to go here and take notes and watch this.

I mean, he'll say he did it for free, too. So it's, to me, if you do it for free, that tells me a lot more than if you're just getting paid. Mm-hmm. You know, you know, who else did it for free? Jonathan Pollard fucking for free. There's a point we'll get to later on. Literally, the Massad had to cut him off because he was too eager to be involved. They're like, uh, put this guy on like the sleeper list because we just, we don't need this right now.

It's too big of a liability. Man, let's get into like some hardware here. How did the Mossad negotiate with European companies? If this appears disjointed, it's because I'm just going chronologically through this interview. Then we'll get back into the book. The Mossad would go to European companies and say, okay, we need such and such firearms. We need these sorts of special engines. We need these types of electronics from you, Mr. Company.

We're going to offer you a deal that you can sell to the United States these product with no barriers. But how's that possible? because you see there's a lot of tariffs and impositions and duties and VAT and stuff on goods going from Europe to the United States and vice versa. Well, the Israelis import these goods to Israel, where they are packaged in Israeli packaging and labeled as Israeli goods and shipped to the United States. But this is a one-way thing.

This is not go the other way, right? This is a one-way funnel. And one, he said very interestingly, Israel on its own grows two things, sand and vegetables. Everything else is basically brought about as a good in this deal. Now, of course, this is sort of changed. This is 30 years ago, and now they're far more into the vaporware software side of things. But, you know, you export all these goods as a country that is now your GDP, that is now your investment, so on.

so forth, right, after prohibition when alcohol becomes legal, who benefits, it all, I mean, it's all one, all one thing. There was a deal, okay? Let's give an example. All right. What does one of these things look like? Well, there was a deal in the late 1980s where the United States wanted to sell fighter jet underwing fuel tanks to Saudi Arabia. functionally, that extends a fighter aircraft's effective range. Israel lobbied the United States not to do this because it would pose a security threat to Israel. Saudi planes with these underwing fuel tanks could, on paper, fly from an airbase in Riyadh, and bomb Israel quite handling, fly back. But that was the stated reason.

The actual reason, according to Mr. Ostrovsky, is that Israel themselves already had a surplus of these fuel tanks permitted from the Americans that they had a trade agreement with because Israel was allowed to purchase these fuel tanks just as they were. And they were actually already selling these fuel tanks themselves from the United States through Israel to Saudi Arabia. This American Saudi deal that the Israelis lobbied to destroy would have undercut the Israel-Saudy illicit transactions that were already occurring of the same military good. So, Ostroffsky argues these sorts of things, these trade transactions, this happens with many different intelligence agencies, which is shocking to a lot of people, but

it's fairly common and universal, but he takes this weird moral stance on it. He says, what distinguishes Massad is that it is not accountable to anything. Other agencies like the Shabakh within Israel, he argues, are accountable, Amman is accountable to Israel. And he asserts that sort of the reason for publishing this book is that Mossad views Israeli politicians as temporary and that governments come and go. I think, like I said earlier, that this mindset can only be entertained before the assassination of Yitzhak al-Bin, but also because I don't think he was considering the prime minister term of Yitzhak Shammil. So, okay, I want to, like, close the daylight here and, like, disprove this argument he has.

The idea that, like, Mossad views Israeli politicians as temporary and the governments come and go, well, government stopped coming and going in the 1990s because Beebe has been Bibi Hamelech, Bibi the King, since 1998. So that's the coup in power in perpetuity with a governing coalition and a majority on the Supreme Court and full control over Israeli domestic politics. So your politicians are not coming and going. Neither is your prime minister. And, you know, it's a little hypocritical because he's obviously aware, and when he's giving this interview in 1995, that he just had the prime ministership of Yitzhak Shameel.

So, okay, who is Yitzhak Shemil? Well, he was born Yitzhak Yitzky, and he was born in Belarus, grew up in Poland. He was the leader of the Zionist group Lehi, aka the Stern Gang. He was also a member of the radical group Betal, religious Zionists. He served as the head of the Massad between 1955 and 1965, Prime Minister between 83 and 84, as well as 1986 to 1992, so almost the entirety of Mr. Ostrovsky's Mossade career. This man, Shamir, was also Bibi Netanyahu's political mentor.

So this book came out before Bibi, but the same politics, the same viewpoint, the same militancy, the same changed last name, the anti-British treason within the British mandate in Palestine, the same geopolitical objectives that were achieved later on during Donald Trump. Again, central thesis here that I'm going to just keep bringing up, time passes, people are the same, goals are the same, networks the same. There's like another in an infinite series. of evidence that I can lay out with you with both the power of the internet looking at this 30-year-old book.

Now we're actually making good time on this. Let's get into U.S. weapons research in Israel. So, okay, that concludes my analysis of the interview portion with the author. We're now going to get into a little bit more details. So there was an operation in early February of 1986, from Mossad that was to benefit an Israeli optronics company called El Op, which was meant developing a special device to broadcast and receive digitized photographic images, DPI, which is an earlier iteration of this technology, which is very commonplace nowadays.

This company, El Op, was also developing a similar system for Mazlatt. Maslatt is a Hebrew abbreviation. for the term for unmanned, remote-controlled plane. This was a cooperative development project between Israeli aeronautical industries, IAI, a subsidiary of the Israeli military industry, IMI, and an American corporation called AAI Corporation that was based in Baltimore. Now, if you pull up Wikipedia here, AAI is a real ongoing company that is a defense contractor, today. So I will say nothing more about them today at all. But I will read their 30-year-old account in this book. It's a little bit more safe. The development of the DPI had proven to be extremely

expensive and was running into technical difficulties as well. Further, the Israeli aeronautical industries was on the Mossad's support list because of its enormous financial and defense potential, Hence, the Mossad devised a plan to get the proverbial wagon out of the mud. The IMI was advised to reach a development agreement with recon optical industries, an American company that possessed the technology that LOP required. This company is now defunct. IMI, the Israeli Air Force, which at the time was involved in a project financed by American military aid to Israel. The plan was for the Mossad to insinuate Israeli engineers.

into recon, posing as Israeli Air Force observers and quality controllers. And under the auspices of this unrelated project, steal new technology that could then be manufactured in Israel. If this technology theft was done right, the savings and research and development expenses could be enormous. So an example right there of advanced weapons technology that the Mossad stole from the Americans, not the first time. And as a Stormy also has mentioned quite common when you just type into your Google search engine, Israel, theft, American military. So starting out more in the book, let's talk about like a couple more individuals,

less important than the five named ones at the start of the podcast, less notorious in capturing the public eye today, but still worth perhaps mentioning if for no other reason than their extreme strangeness. So I mentioned in that Irgun documentation that there's three main sort of networked countries that Mossad and their predecessor, the Irgun, with this through line through head of Mossad being prime ministers, but also head of major Israeli violent, frankly, terrorists slash resistance slash label groups running, right? There's no daylight between this. one of the three countries they need are USSR, the United States, and France. Okay, cool. So, Ostrowski, the author, meets and is the Israeli liaison for a man named Pierre Seleck, who is a member of the French National Front Party and is the French representative of the Unification Church.

These people are the Moonies, if you've ever heard of them. They're this huge, I don't want to, they have a lot of, like, legal stuff, very powerful. They're like kind of Scientology, I suppose, for South Koreans. They have this, it's this self-contained cult ecosystem that this man,

Pierre Selech, was the French representative of. So already like very odd figure. He had placed a request with the Mossad for a computer program that would help him communicate and store data. select needed to keep the data secure from the French Secret Service.

I was supposed to get the program that had been modified for him by the electronics company Sytex, and to send it via diplomatic pouch to the Paris Station. They would then have the program delivered to him. Okay, great. So he's working with the Massad and the Moonies to do espionage in France and get around the French Secret Service. Well, shit, Phylos, this is 40 years ago. What's the relevance of this random guy to today?

Well, the same individual on January 11th, 2017, was seen in Trump Tower restaurant with Marine Le Pen, Louis Alote, and George Lombardi. He claimed in an interview to a French newspaper that he was, quote, not successful in arranging a meeting with President Trump. I have a source for this as well. So, 40 years, same people. thesis again. Okay. Let's get a little bit more into, I guess, Pollard, because we're kind of going chronologically through the book, skipping these, like, minute interpersonal dramas and these sorts of things. Around page 80 of the book, he gets dispatched to the United States to track a PLO,

Palestine Liberation Organization, a high-value target within this network. but he's doing reconnaissance and he starts noticing some people following him. And so he basically knocks this guy out who's following him, straps him to a chair and tortures him to try and figure out what's going on. Now, the guy who's being tortured says, you know, what the fuck? You can't do this to me. You're a police officer. Like, you know, what's going on?

You know, I'll never tell you who I'm working for. So Mr. Stravsky tortures him. Eventually it comes out that the man he's caught following him outside of the PLO headquarters was a member of the Jewish Defense League. That is the Kahanist, ultra-radical Zionist organization. I think it actually held some Israeli parliament seats in the Knesset, but it's since been banned, but like Itimo Ben-Gaville is its successor with Jewish power of the party. So, like, you know, that if the guy's successor is in the same role doing the same thing, you can assume this stuff never stops. You know, so Mossad and Jewish Defense League, there's a lot of tensions because it's kind of this uncontrollable thing. And the Jewish Defense League has actually a rather poor impression of Mossad.

because Israel at the time, this Zionism thing, as Thomas says, and he's completely accurate, that it's this aberrant 20th century secular ideology, which is racialist, but also won't go away. And that actually poses a lot of problems for very radical religious Jews. But kind of continuing onward chronologically, I want to go a little bit more into, Pollard. Let's talk about Jonathan Pollard. Well, the Massad has a unit called A1. They work under deep cover in the United States for years at a time, and the date is February 14, 1986. Part of this A1 network had recruited a man named Jonathan Pollard. He was captured in 1986 by the FBI after having been refused asylum in the Israeli embassy in Washington.

That refusal from the Israeli embassy was the direct result of Massad intervention, although the affair was handled outside the Mossad. There was rumored to be a link between Pollard and the Mossad, someone known as Mr. X. We never got the full story, and what did come through was buried in paper. I asked my supervisor, so is there a Mr. X? The supervisor said in name only, Mr. X is not one person. Ephraim took from us lists of Sianine when we left. He used them as sources.

They would tell him where things were, and he would have Pollard bring out the hard copy. They agreed? I knew it was a dumb question the moment I asked it. Agreed. A Sayan is there to serve, not to question. If we don't move fast, others will end up in jail cells next to Pollard. So I have to go out there and see that it doesn't happen.

How many Jews do you know in America, who are willing to be branded a traitor, and spend time in prison for the glory of Israel. I mean, yeah. I mean, it's just, yeah. Yeah, one thing I've come to talk about and a phrase I've been using is the final boss of Diospros. Because you have the Somalibuels. Ollie's come here for free shit.

And then you have Jews come here. They literally work on behalf of another country for free. And another people for free. I mean, it's not even a real country. It's basically a criminal organization. And they literally work for it for free. And don't expect anything in return. And some may say, oh, that's highly noble and, you know, to be admired.

And I'm like, how many years did he do in jail? Mm-hmm. I don't get it. I don't get it, especially when, when someone like Ostrowski just like literally starts off his interviews with, oh, yeah, you know, it's just Kazar. which means it's not even real Jews. Yeah, you know, it's really like, maybe this is a little narcissistic of me,

but like I see a lot of myself in this guy because he was born outside Israel and he went and did the time there and bought into it for a time. And, you know, left like totally cynical and, you know, broadly anti-Israeli. Like, you know, I,

you know, he's saying, stuff in these interview that I was saying on your podcast like a couple years ago and it's you know it's I think once you kind of look at this stuff it's like how do you you can't

reconcile this I mean that's the big thing I mean he half asses sort of how this is he tries to put out that there's more discrepancy and divergence between these different politicians and figures and ideologies and there actually is like in Israel

all like there's no real distinction between any of this. And another thing I want to point out, like 40 years ago, the reason these two books were bestsellers was because they were sensational, and all this stuff was secret and unknown. And nowadays, the like successive generation to all these figures and these books, they're just out in the open saying it. They're on Twitter saying it. You know, we know exactly what.

But the organizations are pushing as far as Iran intervention and, you know, military cooperation between the U.S. and Israel and, you know, Randy Fine and all this other stuff. And just like, look, I mean, I'll say this and I don't want to betray my right-wing bona fides. But, like, as a former Jew, like, it's like, do you have no survival instinct? like 40 years ago, if you'd gone out and said what Randy Fine was saying on national TV, what Mark Levin was saying on national TV, like,

you'd get taken out. Yeah, Masad would have like a conversation with you, quote unquote. You know, like, like, what do you, like, do you not understand the harm that you are doing to Jews? And that's the same conclusion

that Estrovsky came to in his interview. Is like, do you not understand the harm you're doing to Jews by labeling, everyone else in anti-Semite. Like, you know, and clearly nothing's been learned. And this whole thing is just going to have to play out how it's going to play out. I don't want that to be the case.

Because I know, you know, Jewish friends, Jewish family, you know, a lot of them have no clue about any of this stuff. But, like, everyone else is sort of becoming aware of it. And, yeah. I mean, anyway, so it's just kind of ranting here. I'll get back on track. But I just, I'm so frustrated by the arrogance and the total lack of self-awareness. And I just, you know, they have this country, the United States has been pushed to the breaking point economically and in its foreign policy by these groups, as has been proven. on multiple podcasts, but let alone our sphere.

I mean, even in the mainstream. And there's just no, it's like you short circuit and you just call everyone else an anti-Semite. And like how, I don't know, part of it is also like when I was there getting trained in the whole Zionism project thing, you're never taught to think about the actual people behind this. If you're a Jew living in Israel, no one ever tells you about the Bronfman's. No one ever tells you who the Rothschilds are because it's not about the individuals. It's about this group. It's about this race.

And if that isn't convincing enough, then you go to a Qabad, and it's about the Lubavitra rabbi. And so, like, the average Jew is infinitely more ignorant than a Gentile who picks up one of these books and reads it, frankly. Oh, believe, believe me, I've come to know that. And that just makes me frustrated. Like, you know, like, you got to know your own history. I mean, this is why I love the OGC and how they genuinely attempt to understand American history as it is with no bullshit, with no shame, with no cynicism, with no Howard Zinn crap. But just you appreciate and you understand who it is, what's in charge, what issues you have, and you have an intelligent understanding of it. And I guess, I mean, I don't know, it doesn't, I don't know, well, actually, no, it just, it bothers me.

It bothers me that, like, most Jews just have no idea why actual anti-Semitism is happening now. And, like, I couldn't even explain it to them, because to broach any of this stuff I'm telling you, would it be like a cardinal sin? I'm just so frustrated with it. Anyway, that's enough of the pitching. We're going to get back to the book here. The American Jewish community, this is right again, right after that section in the Pollard Affair. American Jewish community was divided into a three-stage action team. First were the individual Sionym.

If the situation had been reversed and the United States had convinced Americans working in Israel to work secretly on behalf of the United States, they would be treated as spies by the Israeli government. Then there was the large pro-Israeli lobby. It would mobilize the Jewish community in a forceful effort in whatever direction the Mossad pointed them. And last was Benibleth. Members of that organization could be relied on to make friends among non-Jews and tarnish as anti-Semitic, whoever they couldn't sway to the Israeli cause. With that sort of one-two-three tactic, there was no way we could strike out.

Let's go in more about Jonathan Pollard and APEC. and APEC. When they first met, Jonathan Pollard was an American Jew. I don't... Well, yeah, no, it's an accurate label. I saw a funny documentary a few years ago. It was about Jewish history in America. And this older woman, she says,

I don't identify as a Jewish-American. Identify as an American Jew. Anyway, I just bring that one up. American Jew, not the other way around. who believed wholeheartedly that there was a holy alliance between the United States of America and the state of Israel. He did not see a conflict

between total loyalty to the United States and total loyalty to the state of Israel. To him, it was one and the same. This ideology did not spring out of itself. It was the result of a long process of indoctrination many Jewish youths are put through with the generous help of the state of Israel

in the form of Shlachim. Or as they are known, messengers of Aliyah. Aliaa means literally like immigration Hebrew. These are people, a new immigrant to Israel is called Anoleha de Shah. These are people who work with in the Jewish community to instill love of Israel in the hearts of the Jewish youth. In Jonathan Pollard's case, they were extremely successful. The young man had volunteered in 1982 to the American Israel Public Affairs Community.

That's APEC, pro-Israeli lobby group, another link in the chain of organizations, mannicking the Jewish community to Israel in general, and to the Israeli right wing in particular. Pollard, already a member of the American Intelligence Committee, had volunteered his services for the benefit of the state of Israel. After thorough checking, including using the Mossade's connection in the Anti-Defamation League, the Mossade decided that he was a good candidate and would fit in well, since he was both a Zionist zealot and well-placed in the American intelligence research community with ample access to vital information about the middle east in africa and since he was jewish there was no thought of making him a paid spy sometime in 1984 uly who is uh one of the

handlers of pollard before um selim salam uh the individual i mentioned former the air force uh israeli air force colonel who the u s tried to extradite but couldn't but then uh freaking, you know, this past few years, they made him a brigadier general. Before that guy was the handler of Pollard. This guy was the actual handler in the mid-1980s. Uri had decided with the agreement of his bosses that Pollard was too volatile to handle, since he was always trying to do more than he was asked, taking unnecessary risks and generally becoming more reliability than an asset.

Therefore, he was put on the dormant list as a sleeper. Pollard was informed that he'd been of great help to Israel, and that for his own safety, the Israeli intelligence had decided he needed a cooling off period. Should they decided a later date that it was again safe for him to work, they'd contact him and revive the activity. Pollard was not thrilled at the prospect, but, according to Yuri, he didn't make a fuss. It must be remembered that up until that point, he hadn't been paid one red cent, and was doing it all because of sheer ideology.

Not long after the file was rendered dormant, Raffa Aiton got his hands, on it. Even though he was no longer a Mossad officer at the time, as the saying goes, once a Mossad, always a Mossad. He had access to Mossad files, both because of his past in the Mossad, and because he was the advisor on terrorism to the Prime Minister and also

the head of Vilaam. For him, finding the dormant Pollard fall was like striking gold, not bound by the Mossad rules of conducting conduct regarding Jewish helpers. There are, by the way, specific rules of conduct for how Massage to interact with the

He activated Pollard through his reviving code word and arranged to create a so-called natural setting for him to meet his new operator, who I mentioned at the start, Avram Sela. Sela, a decorated Israeli pilot who'd taken part in the bombing of the Iraqi nuclear plant in Assyrak, was a natural for the job. He wanted to study in the United States and would be working for the Lecom at the same time. He didn't have to recruit Pollard, only activate him. And the meeting between the two was set up by itan to look like a coincidence brought about by a third party, a relative of Pollards, who had attended a speech by Sella. Sella was chosen to be the operator because he was an expert in targeting and could top shop talk shop with Pollard, who was an intelligence analysis expert. The fact that Sella was not a trained intelligence man also contributed to the fall of

Pollard, who in this new phase was now getting paid and was in fact almost running himself. So, okay, like, I went once to the International Spy Museum in D.C. And they had, like, a whole thing on Pollard. And basically, like, as I recall, it's been a while, he would go into the office and just stuff his suitcase full with, like, as many classified documents as he could physically fit. And he would just take him to the Mossad dead drop. Like, every single couple of weeks, he would do this.

And he did this for like decades, I think, and then these documents went to Israel and then to the USSR. Whoops. That's why they sentenced him to prison. But then they inevitably gave him like a five-year parole thing, which is very interesting in and of itself because if he's on a five-year parole, you could just have it in the prison system in the United States. You can make sort of a bureaucratic determination to prematurely end parole. I don't think you need the president to do it, although he committed capital crimes. So maybe it's a different scenario. But, I mean, literally he was on parole.

So he was a free man just checking in with his parole officer for the most part. And, you know, Trump personally, presidentially pardoned him. So he could go fly and live in Israel. just his lifestyle convenience. And he's a national hero. He flew there on the Adelson plane and was met on the tarmac by Benjamin and Yahoo. Oh, man. Like, I just, you know, you think of this, you think of this guy publishing this book 30 years ago, the author.

I mean, what's he thinking at the back of his head is going to happen to Pollard? Right. As a Mossad agent, he's thinking he's done. He's burned. He's going to stay in prison forever. And, uh, man. Like, like, okay, okay. Or that while he's in there, someone may, uh, make the problem go away. Yeah. I mean, um, clearly with other figures in this network, they eventually figured out how to do that.

Uh, it's all the older first generation ones that get the heroes welcome, but, uh, not Epstein. Nope, not him. I think they learn their lesson. Man. We're on to Chapter 25 now because we're quite far into this book at this point. In brief, this one I have to be very careful about there was a deal.

Okay, so premise of the deal. Israel is selling Iran F4 Phantom Parts. in the mid to late 1980s. The Ayatollah that they hate so much, the reason that the United States was dragged into a conflict with Iran at Israel's behest, because Iran was such a dictatorship of a regime, and especially during the 1980s when Iran's religious phase was in its most brutal and zealous cracking down on its own,

people forcing the diaspora. I have a lot of mixed opinions on Iran, but I think you know Israel selling them F4 phantom parts which then these same F4 phantoms they are flying today and taking action against Arab states and the United States knowing that some of those parts came there from Israel

it's just that shit crazy I mean like the hypocrisy the insanity, the relentless war profiteering, the foreign policy, convolutions, I mean, it's out of control. But it gets more out of control because. Now, I want to just preface this. There was an unsolved murder in Germany of a German politician named Uwe Barthal. Now, in his Wikipedia article, this is an unsolved murder. They found a bunch of drugs in his system. So, with a very important caveat that everything I'm about to say is alleged because it is this book's claim, not my claim, that the Mossad murdered this man, this German politician, because he was

involved in a deal gone sour between the German B&D, that's the German intelligence directorate, and the Mossad, to sell these F4 phantom parts. The deal physically was done in Germany. Because at the time, Germany had relations with both countries. The book claims, not my claim, the book's claim, that this man was murdered by Mossad, and they forcibly fed him an overdose of like eight different types of drugs. Inside the book, the level of detail is down to an exact recounting of how this was done, which I'm not going to get into.

It's very gruesome. and I will just say it's alleged. This is this man's claim, not mine. The Wikipedia page for this man doesn't list any of this information. And I'm very, very cautious about this because all of this stuff 30 years later, I can verify for all these other aspects. But when I encounter something that does not actually explain the claim 30 years on, that's just a big red flag.

So I'm staying the hell away from it. So if you want more about the story, read the book. I'm not going to speculate or assert anything on this. It's an unsolved murder in Germany. Going a little bit ahead here. Late 1980s at the conclusion of the Iran-Iraq War. Now we're getting much more relevant here. It seemed that the Iranians had had enough and were happy to end the war as the Iraqis wanted.

the Massad for the most part pretended to the Americans that they wanted to topple Saddam Hussein. Well, at the same time, passing on information to Saddam's Mughabarat, I think, I don't know what that. I think it's an Arabic word for something, I couldn't tell you, from the Israeli embassy in Washington, warning Saddam about various attempts on his life and on his regime. The Mossad regarded Saddam Hussein as their biggest asset in the area, since he was, totally irrational as far as international politics was concerned, and therefore, although more likely to make a stupid move that the Mossad could take advantage of, what the Mossad really feared was that Iraq's gigantic army, which had survived the Iran-Iraq war and was being supplied by the West and

financed by Saudi Arabia, would fall into the hands of a leader who might be more palatable to the West and still be a threat to Israel. The first step to basically setting up Saddam was taking in November 1988, when the Mossad told the Israeli Foreign Office to stop all talks with the Iraqis regarding a peace front. At that time, secret negotiations were taking place between Israelis, Jordanians, and Iraqis, under the auspices of the Egyptians and with the blessings of the French of the Americans. The Mossad manipulated it so that Iraq looked as if it were the only country unwilling to talk, thereby convincing the Americans that Iraq had a different agenda. By January 1999, the Mossade machine was busy portraying,

Saddam, as a tyrant, and a danger to the world. The Mossad activated every asset it had in every place possible, from volunteer agents and amnesty international to fully bought members of U.S. Congress. Saddam had been killing his own people, the cry went. What could his enemies expect? The gruesome photos of dead Kurdish mothers clutching their dead babies after a gas attack by Saddam's army were real, and the acts were horrendous. But the Kurds were engaged in an all-out guerrilla war with the regime in Baghdad,

and had been supported for years by the Mossad, who sent arms and advisors to the mountain camps of the Barazani family. This attack by the Iraqis could hardly be called an attack on their own people. But, as Uri said to me once, once the orchestra starts to play, all you can do is hum along. The media was supplied with inside information and tips from reliable sources on how the craze leader of Iraq killed people with his bare hands and used missiles to attack Iranian cities. What they neglected to tell the media was that most of the targeting for the missiles was done by the Mossad with the help of American satellites. The Mossad was grooming Saddam for a fall, but not his own. They wanted the Americans to do the work of destroying that gigantic army in the Iraqi desert, so that Israel would not have to face it one day on its own border.

That in itself was a noble cause for an Israeli, but to endanger the world with the possibility of global war and the deaths of thousands of Americans was sheer madness. when was this book published 1994 so what happens after this to Saddam and to Iraq into America's involvement in the global war on terror well we all know the answer to that which makes reading this passage here very portentous and kind of heartbreaking actually that's the brunt of the material, there is one more bit here, if I can find it. Essentially, it alleges, and I looked into this, there's some sources on it. I think I pasted it into the wrong document, but Mr. Stravsky alleges in a later chapter in the book,

that during the peace talks, that the United, okay, so President Bush, Bush Sr., was head of the CIA, and Bush Sr. basically threatened to cut off all military aid to Israel due to the ongoing talks between Israel and the PLO, I think, under Yasser Arafat or maybe a little bit earlier. And so, he,

He claims, I'm going to say, just throw that word out alleges again, because I have no idea how true this is. He claims that rogue elements within the Mossad wanted to assassinate President George H.W. Bush on Air Force One while he was in Madrid in 1991. That's what he claims. I can't verify it. He asserts Mr. Stravsky asserts that he leverages his. his Massad connections, and he meets with a U.S. Senator, and I think he's still alive, so I'm not going to mention him because I don't want to open a can of worms here. Oh, he died recently. Senator Pete McCloskey.

This man, Mr. Ostrovsky goes to him, has lunch with him, and says, look, like, I think Mossad is going to make an attempt on the life of this man, so Senator Ostrowski, contacts the State Department diplomatic protection. They get word to the Secret Service, and they put an Intel briefing on Air Force One while it's on the ground in Spain, says minimize your time here. And if a security threat comes at this point to the flight while it's on the ground, it is most likely to come in the form of a explosive device in luggage. So Mr. Ostroffsky claims that he is the reason that that piece of intelligence got to the ground team protecting the president in 1991. Now, there's all sorts of intelligence

and all sorts of plots and all sorts of attempted assassinations on various world leaders and also, as we are well aware now, on U.S. presidents. I can't confirm or substantiate anything about this. But interestingly, President, I did find a separate source that said that a year later, this is after the books, it's not included in the book, but basically that President Clinton orders a missile strike on the Iraqi military headquarters.

Why? because they claimed that Saddam Hussein was going to attack Air Force One while it was on the ground in Madrid in 1991. And so for that reason, Bill Clinton attacks the Iraqi military intelligence headquarters as a retaliation for this plot. That is substantiated in the actual State Department archives. So I don't know anything more about it. If you're the researching type, there's plenty more to jump off here. Essentially, the only other stuff I have is about the nuclear facility in Demona. But other than that, we have reached the end of the other side of deception.

And by the end, it will start right at the top of the episode. The second to last chapter of the book is about Robert Maxwell. well. So I hope this has been astonishingly and gut-wrenchingly relevant and also perhaps a compliment to both the Inquisition and the Star Chamber as far as the materials discussed, the networks that are there, the people, same people, or the immediate successors too. You know, you can kind of trace a through line from the actions described in this book and the networks. through to today. And I don't really,

you know, one, I don't think this is a conspiracy because it's so well documented. He has, let me find out how many sources he has in here. It's nuts. He has an average of 20 different media sources per chapter from U.S. and British newspaper articles about all of the geopolitical events, assassinations, and targetings that are happening in his book.

So I guess what's really, one, it's a shame any of this played out the way it did. Two, the fact that as far as I'm concerned, all of this stuff could have been released yesterday, is extremely disconcerting. and that individuals named in this book from 30 years ago are not only getting pardoned but they're getting promoted, they're not getting extradited, they're getting celebrated, they're getting celebrated by the same network of supporters

who either themselves or their immediate predecessors were responsible for massive intelligence, operations, arms trafficking, drug smuggling, money laundering, fraud, and gigantic security issues for the United States. So if that isn't enough documentation and a sort of call to awareness, let's say, of, you know, so if anyone ever tells you, I mean, there's nothing to this Jewish conspiracy. There's nothing to Zionism. It's just X or it's just Y. I mean, listen

to me, listen to a former Jew who lived in Israel, going through all these different sources and telling you that it's all true in a two-part series and go listen to the Inquisition and go listen to Star Chamber. And I, like,

there's no refuting any of this. Anyone who will put up a Twitter post or put up a YouTube video and say, actually it's not this giant obvious thing that you're pointing out all this evidence about. It's actually this other thing. What they are trying to sell you is a narrative. It is a narrative of unreality. And you cannot engage in the political process when you're not tethered to what's real. And this is real. Like this is also Israel.

this is a country with prime ministers that are heads of spy organizations. I know we can't really talk because H.W. Bush was the head of the CIA. I get that this happens. And I also understand that every country is going to inherently look out for its own self-interest, but it is up to Americans to decide how much foreign interference we can reasonably permit within our society. And it is also

you know, we can decide not to do business with him. You know, in Israel, they were telling us the biggest threat to Israel was a movement called BDS. It was a very simple organization. It was portrayed as very woke, very progressive, very anti-Semitic,

boycott, divest, and sanction. and this movement, which is essentially directing U.S. and European countries to not do any business at all with Israel, I didn't really, frankly, understand its grounding until just now, like just now having finished this book and thinking about it and seeing materially what happens here. And, you know, right now, if you oppose BDS in certain states in the United States, you don't get federal funding, and some people can show up to your house. And I find this trajectory very scary. One is an American, but two, I mean, I'll just say this.

Like, as a former Jew, when you are running around trying to financially, morally, legally, cudgel everyone who either has a disagreement with you or an issue with you or doesn't want you to take a course of action, eventually you are better served reconciling that criticism with your own ideology, with your own, with your own belief structure, with your own Jewish beliefs, and saying maybe there's some merit here. Maybe there's this other part, not of the Talmud or the Tanakh, but maybe some other part of, like, the original five books of Moses

that is steering us in this other way where we, like, you don't have to just call everything, anti-Semitic, like, you are making everything worse for yourselves. You are drawing more attention to these activities. You are, like, frankly, alienating hundreds of thousands of secular Jews who are dropping out of the religion or converting to Christianity. And, like, you're self-destructing your own Jewish project. And, like, I don't, that doesn't bother me as a Christian, because I think all Jews should just become Christian and accept Christ.

But, you know, I just, I do feel a little bit for the average Jewish person who doesn't understand any of this, because they've been lied to by Zionists, and they've been lied to by Israeli PR, and they've been lied to by APEC, and they're told that, you know, all of this is a foreign. freaking hoax. And I've just laid out in these two-part series, like, none of this is a hoax. It's all very real. Not only is it real in the past, it's real in the present. It's continuing into the future. And I'm deeply concerned with the trajectory that the Trump administration is taking towards not only validating Israel's current course of action, but every single past

course of action that they've taken. I mean, what else could that represent that Trump is pardoning old spies and that they are awarding all these lavish honors today to these figures that are involved in this stuff? And that, you know, that there's this pushing on his last day in his first term to pardon these be, it's just, you know, I mean, how can you say otherwise that Trump is not Israel first? Like, I've just laid out all this evidence to you. I would love to hear someone come up with a competent rebuttal because they can't call me an anti-Semite because I fucking am one. So, anyway, if I keep talking, I'm just going to get like super angry about this and I'm probably

just rambling at this point. But like, I just, I wish that Israel and Jews would understand that this criticism is not coming from nowhere, and their strategy to combat it is just pouring fuel on the fire of genuine anti-Semitism and is going to, I don't know, I think it's going to, if this can't be, if there can't be a shift in the Jewish psyche about what Israel is, what Zionism is, what it ought to be, that it's not this sort of parochial,

1920s to 1940s fight for freedom weird anachronistic movement that it's this like genuine danger that's causing a

severe drop in living standards in the West as we pay more gas prices for Iranian intervention as we sell all of our cultural cachets we sell all of our weapons as we deplete our munitions

as we fight endless wars in Ukraine and also in the Middle East now. I mean, if you're like, if you're a Jew, like ask yourself, like, is Israel itself, like leave aside for a second, leave aside America's obviously not benefiting from this, like empirically. Is Israel bending from this? Like, it was it a good decision for Israel to go into Lebanon? You know, I've seen people that I went to college with, you know, show up dead for an offensive war for no reason. Like, you're going to start this war in Iran and then you're going to start something in Lebanon. Does that timing makes sense? Like, how many young Jews are going to have to go die pointlessly for like this,

you know, for these old retired spies who just can't stop doing it, you know, for this Zionist racket to just continue? Like, in the same way that Ukraine can't survive. if all the old people are throwing all their young men, but also like women into the meat grinder. Like Israel, you know, it breaks my freaking heart when I see like young Jewish women die needlessly in Lebanon. Like what the fuck is Israel doing here? Does this actually make strategic sense for you? Or were you better off in the early 1990s when this book came out, when you were pushing towards peace with the Palestinians, when you were actually trying to reconcile your differences with Jordan,

even like five, ten years ago when there was like that slight warming and relationship between Israel and the Arab states, like, were you better then or are you better now when you still have fucking Bibi Netanyahu in charge, screwing everything up, no one has the balls to get rid of him politically as a domestic figure. And then like your only other alternatives are like Itamal Ben Gaville, who's the direct successor to Kahana. Like, you've learned nothing, all the people are the same, and you're not going to have a state in 30 years,

because either everyone's going to be secular and totally screwed by the Sionist Project or the religious ones, you can't conscript them, and they aren't going to fight for it. So you're getting squeezed on both sides, and I think, I don't blame the Israelis for getting the hell out of Israel, I do blame them for not assimilating.

Like I had a choice personally of whether I could go to Israel and do the Aliyah and be a Chaya al-Budad or locham as a combat soldier in the IDF and I took a look at it and said, fuck no. My loyalty is to the United States. My loyalty is to this country. I'm going to accept Christ.

Marry a Christian woman. and live, like, truthfully, because as we've just outlined over these two podcasts, like, this isn't a way to sustain a society. Like, this is not a long-term strategy for things. Anyway, I've just been going and going. So any thoughts on any of this, Pete, now that we've covered all this material across these two parts. I mean, I have a thought, but if I say it, you may go for another half hour or an hour. Let's do. I mean, I can keep it short. I can keep it short.

It's almost like they basically got us to go attack Iran so that they could attack Lebanon. While the United States is basically destroying, having some of their bases destroyed, some of their men killed, the oil, the frigging, the frigging straits of whore moves gets shut down, oil goes through the roof. Everything goes through the roof. We're going to have a, there's a very good real possibility. We'll have a fertilizer crisis next season, next growing season. They use it. It's basically like an excuse to, oh, while they're over there doing that for, you know, for us, because they owe us. We're going to go into Lebanon.

And, you know, we're going to attack this historically Christian country, which they basically ran out all the Christians by. I mean, the history of Lebanon is just absolutely insane. And we're just going to go and kill more civilians. I mean, they literally, they just want to, if they want to have a buffer zone, what unquote, they're going to have to just kill civilians. And that's what they've been doing. I mean, they've killed, I think I heard the, the estimate. is that 3,600 Iranians have been killed.

That would be, you know, soldiers and civilians. But 4,000 have been killed in Lebanon in recent weeks, and most of the overwhelming amount of those are just civilians. Because they want this thing called a buffer zone. And it's absolutely insane that they're doing this. and I mean, just like my own perspective on this. Like, one, can you hear me okay?

I got you. I got you. Perfect, perfect. Yeah, my screen fell asleep. I was a little worried I'd lost you for a sec. So for one thing, like, since October 7th, no one has functionally stopped Israel from genocide in the Palestinians.

I hate to sound like a cynical bastard, but I don't think that the U.S. strikes, U.S. joint Israeli strikes, whatever, on Iran were sort of a faint for Israeli action in Lebanon, because I just don't think they would need it. You know, clearly, you know, the defensive justification for continuing operations in Gaza wore out within the first month. And I genuinely think if they just started attacking Lebanon endlessly like they have been. I don't want to say no one would do anything because obviously the world is souring very quickly on this. But I also, I think it's a, not so much a chicken and egg thing.

I think basically they weren't the opposite. They weren't plenty to go into Lebanon. Well, they obviously have a strategic plan and tactical plan for going into Lebanon. That is one of their goals, right? The greater Israel patch, 109 yards. But they've wanted Lebanon ever since 1982, but the way Israel works is it waits for a short-term opportunity to open up and present itself. Now, I think my own personal interpretation is that Israel, we're never going to know tactically if they made the first strike on Iran and force the U.S. hand. I do think that perhaps they cajoled or convinced the Trump administration that this would be a very short, week-long or so operation in Iran.

And that might be a genuine hubristic analysis by the Israelis. I mean, they literally might believe that because you can't wage endless offensive action and have like a clear picture of your enemy. If they had a clear picture, they wouldn't have done it. But the U.S. attacks Iran. I think Israel looks at that and says, now that this thing is happening, now is a good time for Lebanon. But I don't think that that was the initial plan to have the U.S. attack Iran for them to then go into Lebanon. I think it was this has already kicked off and happening based on basically within Israel. the structure of how frequently they can call a preservist to the IDF,

and also the dwindling pool of, from the diaspora, Chayalam Bodadim, the lone soldiers. These are basically Westerners that go to Israel and fight in the IDF, although increasingly they're having to rely more on, like, Russians and Ethiopians, and even Indians, Indian nationals, who claim to be part of a lost tribe of Judea. I'm not making that up. you know, these groups will fight in the IDF.

They're having a manpower shortage, a resource shortage. Popular opinion is dwindling. So if you're going to go into Lebanon, you know, if you can't do it a position of strength, you at least don't want to do it in a position where you know over time you are going to get weaker. And I think part of this is a fatalistic decision by Netanyahu. So his ultimate legacy is, I mean, what he's wanted.

Because you have to understand when he came of age, like, I think it was in his 20s or 30s, around the invasion of Lebanon. And in Israel, culturally, that's been a strategic failure. Basically, Israel got bogged down in a quagmire in Lebanon, and they got forced out. and interestingly in the book they detail in the 1980s how the Massad had like deep connections with the Christian leadership in Hezbollah. So people don't actually know this, but, you know, I don't necessarily want to give them credit because I don't know how you feel about this other podcast or not. But I know of a podcast with two guys where they're discussing like basically that Israel and Zionism have a fairly good command. over different leadership structures within Lebanon.

And one thing that I noticed myself in Israel was, I actually did this. How do I? Nah, shit. I'm going to docks myself if I say it. Basically, there's a lot to Lebanon that people don't know. There's a lot with money that people don't know. And if the U.S. is making TCO policy on Lebanon,

then you can bet that Israel has a lot of stuff going on there too. So essentially, I don't know, there is like a claim floating around that certain, one, that the non-Hesbila leadership is essentially facilitating the Israeli operation within Lebanon, that's a hot take. But also that, you know, everyone thought Hesbolo was down for the count, and they weren't because they're a very resilient organization. And Israel is kind of fucked. And it's caught in this paradoxical cycle where it aggresses upon all of its immediate geographic

neighbors, which then they retaliate and put Israel on a weaker strategic position, and it just continues in this cycle. And, I mean, I don't see a way out of it. I mean, I don't see Israel's way out of it, because, I mean, they've had a history of attacking their neighbors for decades. When I went there and did my thing, we were just consistently told every single military reaction Israel has ever fought has been a defensive war, either by some sort of treaty that's very nebulous and at Israel's insistence, or by some sort of weird UN-acknowledged police structure, or by just Zionist claims about how anti-Semitic Arab countries are generally. It's always in some big strategic picture of defensive war. And that was very hard to believe

even then, but like looking at the structure of like who these Americans were, like, within Israel and these foreigners, they're like these Jonathan Pollard types that have swallowed the propaganda. And they might just believe it. And they might just be in charge of Israel. And they might think Israel is invincible. Like, that's a very real possibility. Like, if you're drinking the Kool-Aid, you're going to be surprised when it tastes like something else. You're not going to like understand that.

And I think Israel's bought too much of its. own propaganda. And I think I have never heard a clear American case for the war in Iran. Every major political figure spearheading it from Marco Rubio to Donald Trump to Pete Heggseth has

told me, via the news, that we did it for Israel. So why the fuck am I supposed to believe anything else? And like, I know this country, and I know how much they hate Iran, even though they did business with them multiple times, as we discussed in the

and, you know, it's a simplistic explanation, but Israel is just going for broke here. And I think the problem isn't that, I mean, yeah, it's a huge problem that Israel's doing this. But it's also a bigger problem that, like, I mean, we don't see the ripple effects of geography as, like, an ongoing thing. Like when governments conduct action, they don't actually know what they're doing at the time. They have a post-talk explanation for their activities, right?

That's how it's cover your ass mode inside the government. Because all their decision-making processes are very real-time. And you can see that the Trump administration has no long-term agenda because every decision is a post-talk rationalization for either previous successive or previous failed action. and, you know, yeah, it's like leftist media that's pushing it, but I believe it on Judge Knapp when I see that Trump has 35 times said that the Strait of Hormuz is open, and I can pull up Marine tracker, an open source intelligence software, and I can look at a map of the Strait of Hormuz,

and I can track an arc GIS, all these systems, I can see that is just bullshit, right? when you can have the ability to read sources and actually perceive reality and get away from this like waning media control over how you should feel about the war in Iran, I mean, something is broken in like the Zionist propaganda process within this. They broke something and they're never going to be able to fix it with this war in Iran because like, dude, I know you've had this conversation with others. Over the weekend, I was out with a bunch of boomers. I was just talking to them about this stuff. Like, real Fox News, boomer types.

Same thing Stormy said, same things you said. Like, you know, yeah, it's really not an American interest that we're attacking Iran. And yeah, we did this thing. But, like, even though I don't like the mullah, it's, like, really screwed up by bombing this country and killing this guy. And now gas is, you know, don't believe what they say. It's gas is still pretty expensive. And, you know, you know, we have compromised our military strategy for the Middle East.

And I have these boomers telling me, like, well, I don't really see kind of what the point of this is. Like, when Fox News can't come up with the narrative for why the U.S. is waging a conflict in the Middle East, shit is sideways. I mean, there's no way around it. Like, there are some real problems. And this sort of harkens back to what Stormy said. like when the government is in a legitimacy crisis, it doesn't matter what ruling party is in charge or who's the president. You're going to have this cycle. Like, the U.S. government has lost so much credibility during this Iran conflict.

And then, like, you know, how is the United States going to justify its next conflict? Because the next war has got to be an offensive war because something is going to happen geographically with all these choke points. I'm kind of on the Michael Yon School of Thought. where like I'm starting to think about sort of 20th century strategy and how countries are going to realize and remember that they can control their own geography once they've abandoned this free trade trap or paying lip service to the IMF and World Bank. And countries are going to start, you know, like, okay, if I was China and I'm looking at Iran, I'm saying like, huh, damn, I could control that straight, real easy, real, real easy.

in this geographic location. And also, you know, China probably didn't consider before this conflict that it could slow its demand of oil barrels by the amount that it slowed it. I mean, I don't have the exact numbers, so I'm not going to say statistics out of my ass, but China has stopped buying a lot of different oil

and they're making real-time geopolitical decisions that are going to advantage them. And so if the United States, United States has launched an offensive war, and it is a war, not an operation or a special military action or whatever the fuck they're telling you, if the United States has once a war war where Iran has won and Hezbollah is stronger in its conflict against Israel than it was previously assessed. And all of America's Middle Eastern Sunni Gulf State Arab allies are fucked for tourism and for U.S. bases in this location. And if Russia and

China are making geopolitical and commodity decisions that are advantaging them against the United States. So if the United States has taken L's in these six areas, anyone telling you that we won this war in Iran is just factually incorrect. And, you know, I see a lot of this geopolitic stuff. I mean, it's not hidden. there's not narratives. One thing I've really noticed in the media, and I know we did this stream on like Bernays a while ago, the media's ability to stream propaganda

into the minds of people is just done. It's just totally done, and their money doesn't have the same returns. But I've also been able to see very honestly since this conflict with Iran started. One, I see in mainstream American news every day about like Israel atrocities in Lebanon, or too, I see like, yeah, Iran appears to be winning this thing.

Factually, on the ground, comes from Financial Times and Bloomberg and others. You know, I just, in terms of foreign policy, outside of a nuclear weapon, I do not think the Trump administration could make a more disastrous decision than what they've done up until this point. speaking very bluntly. Like, I can't think of something because for 20 years, all we ever thought was there's just, Iran is like the prize at the end of the tunnel, right? The U.S. bombing Iran, that is like worst case doomsday scenario. I've picked up to use books before from 20 years ago from like Cato Institute and these other faggots

that are telling me like, oh, you know, shit, if something happens, with Israel, Iran's going to close the Strait of Hormuz, and that's the doomsday scenario. And then we just precipitated it. So 20 years of Middle Eastern policy is toast. Another book recommendation I have real quick here. It's a book called Choke Points by, I think his name is Edward Fishman. It came out last year, New York Times bestseller. It is about how the United States is engaging in economic warfare with sanctions on China, Russia,

and Iran, but I'll skip China and Russia because I haven't gotten to those sections yet. With Iran, all these people at Treasury under late Bush and early Obama, like Stephen Levy, they're all Jews, by the way, all of them, every single person involved in Treasury Department and sanctions imposition on Iran, they're all Jewish people. sanctions had never been tried before offensively and aggressively against Iran and the manner that they were doing it and they were so aggressive with how they were going about it

that they were actually getting stiff congressional opposition to these sanctions regimes but then these all went ahead so all these sanctions went ahead they did all this bullshit targeting where they claimed we're just going to you know we're just going to target sectors of Iranian economy. And we're going to target missile development, but we're not going to target

humanitarian food stuffs and, you know, water and these sorts of things. Well, you can't just sanction physical production elements of an economy in isolation. It's this retarded view of economics that views everything as this closed system of every industry being segmented from everything else. I saw this tweet from Stormy where he was talking about how Paul Krugman in an interview said that he literally wrote economics textbooks and never considered supply chains ever in economics. And we have an entire generation of Jews at the Treasury that don't understand supply chains and production and the interaction of prices because otherwise they never would have impose these sanctions. It starved Iran. Yes, it forced Iran to the negotiating table, which is why in

2015, the JCPOA, which was a good thing, mind you. People say that we, you know, it's pallets of cash out to the Iranians. Yes, but that was payment for sanctions relief and interest on U.S. sanctioned Iranian-owned assets. So you're essentially, you've taken the money from the Iranians and you're giving a little bit of it back. Now, look at today. Look at this, you know, who knows if we're going to have an actual peace agreement here in Switzerland or whatever else is developing. But, okay, this Iran thing is quote unquote over, $150 billion payable immediately, $300 billion in sanctions relief. So even by the own sort of sanctions argument that was developed under Bush, Obama, and Trump, Biden and Trump again, this 15-year period of sanctions, you are now in this conflict rolling back your own agenda of sanctions.

So you're giving more to the Iranians than you gave during the JCPOA. So what's the issue with this, this complicated line of thinking that I'm saying? Okay, you have 15 years of anti-Iran policy. You then bomb Iran and you pay them back all the money that you sanctioned from them. So you lost, objectively. You have undone all of your efforts to financially restrict weapons development and nuclear development within Iran. And if I was an Iranian, why the hell wouldn't I want a revitalized military or development of a nuclear weapon right now? How well did these sanctions actually work?

Because now, sitting where we are at the end of June in 26, we have completely blizzard. alone 15 years of anti-Iranian sanction policy, paradoxically, ironically, for Israel's interest. So, I don't know, to point like a through line to all of this, you have decades and decades and decades of espionage and financial activity, all of these things strengthening Israel's possession, and it just undoes itself in the end. I mean, that's exactly what happened here. The U.S. is just, you know, we fought a war to give Iran back its sanction money. Great job.

Oh, yeah, I'll leave it there. On a positive note, like, this is an L for our enemies. That's the thing that I want to end this on. Like, it's very sad that Americans died in this conflict and that this war had to happen at all. War is a great tragedy. But this is the worst miscalculation that Israel has ever made in its history, bar none. That is a positive thing for America. Yeah.

Yeah. And it's opened the eyes of a lot of people, not only normies, as to this quote-unquote relationship and just exactly what it has cost us, is costing us, and will cost us in the future unless it is brought under control or just cut off completely. Yeah. All right, man. Thank you. And until the next time. Always a pleasure, Pete. Yes, sir. Take care. Bye.