The Pete Quiñones Show - Joseph de Maistre's 'On the Spanish Inquisition' w/ Aaron from Timeline Earth - Complete

Episode Date: October 19, 2025

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What's going on, man? We missed you in Texas. Yeah, yep, I am a slaved capitalism, and I love it. Oh, and Carden didn't show up either, so, yeah. Oh, yes, absolutely no excuse. Oh, I'm, no, I'm livid with that person. but um so very busy rotating shapes so i asked you to do this with me um imperium press put this out i think it was six months ago or so

and joseph de maistra in in letters that he's sending to a russian um aristocrat and we don't even know who the russian aristocrat is which is really cool i actually like that um he defends the Spanish Inquisition. Yeah, it's something that, you know, I think before the, before the Holocaust, there was the Spanish Inquisition as something that shitlibs can point to as to why we need a secular society and the dangers of theocracy. And going through this first letter that we're about to read, it pretty much confirmed my suspicion that, like most things that are shoved down our throat,

there's a there's a pretty good argument for some revisionism. Yep, yep. So before we do that, I wanted to give a little background for people who don't know Joseph De Maistra. I'll read what was put in Imperium Presses, volume one of his major works in the front. And then I'll read a little bit from Wikipedia because I looked at Wikipedia and it was pretty good too. what Mike and Imperium Press put in here was that Justice de Meister was one of the strongest voices in the 18th and 19th century reaction. In some places you'll read, they'll call him the original reactionary, like the first reactionary, probably because he's a Frenchman, and in his lifetime, in his adult life, the French Revolution happened. Yeah, yeah.

that would change some minds. Yeah. So born into minor, Savoyard nobility in 1753, he enjoyed a distinguished law career until he fled the French Republic's annexation, whereupon he acted as chief magistrate to Charles Emmanuel's Sardinian court,

later attaining a number of high offices. Maestra distinguished himself as a political commentator in considerations on France, publishing many works over his life to great acclaim, particularly the posthumous St. Petersburg Dialogues. So when you come over to Wikipedia, says he was a Savoyard philosopher, writer, lawyer, diplomat who advocated social hierarchy and monarchy in the period

immediately following the French Revolution, a polymath, many men of his day, would have, and of his stature would have had to have been polymouth. Despite his close personal and intellectual ties with France, Maestra was throughout his life, a subject of the Kingdom of Sardinia, where he served as a member of the Savoy Senate, 1787, 1792, ambassador to Russia, 1803, 1817, and minister to the Court of Turin, 1871 to 1871, a key figure of the counter-enlightenment and a precursor of romanticism. He regarded monarchy and he regarded monarchy both as a divinely sanctioned institution

and as the only stable form of government. So I'm sure Dr. Hoppa probably would agree with. Demai's trying a few things. is a hoppa's not catholic is he uh let's see he's german he could be a lot of things oh no yeah yeah so all right so um let's get into this so they're in this in this edition it's called uh on the spanish inquisition that imperium press put out it has five letters that de Maestra wrote to a Russian nobleman, and he seeks to defend the Spanish Inquisition. A little apologism.

Yeah, which seems, would seem insane to some people. It did to me at first. Yeah. Yeah. So, all right. Let's get this shared it up on the screen. All right. I'm going to start reading.

And as always, oh, I should. mentioned this, I think you'll like this. I'm contacted two separate times once by the same person twice that if I'm going to do these readings, I should take some lessons. Oh, yeah. On how to read these things properly. And one point was, you mispronounce some things and you stumble on some. I'm going to do that on purpose now.

You'll never beat me. I'm just going to do it on purpose. You do not know me. I am not a fucking aristocrat. I am from the frigging streets of the Bronx. Shut the fuck up. Respectfully. Not to the lady.

I'm not saying that to the lady who sent me the letter. She was very nice. Very nice. The other gentleman is like, I'm going to write an article about you. All right, whatever, dude. Nope, you read good. I read good enough.

All right. So let's start reading this. The first letter, de Maestra writes to defend the Spanish Inquisition to a Russian nobleman. I've had the satisfaction of exciting both your interest and your astonishment in the course of our conversations on the subject of the inquisition. You have, therefore, for your own use and convenience, requested me to commit to writing the different reflections which I have presented to you concerning this celebrated institution. With this request, I now most willingly comply.

See those two people are just screaming right now, just screaming at me. So let me start that again. With this request, I now most willingly comply. And I will take this opportunity to collect and place before you a certain number of observations and authorities, which I could have adduced in the course of a simple conversation. Without any other preface than this, I shall begin my dissertation with the history of the awful tribunal. He's setting us up to knock us down.

Yep. No. He's a lawyer. I remember having remarked to you in general terms that one of the most honorable attestations in favor of the Inquisition is the official report itself, of the philosophical Cortez, which in the year 1812, suppressed this tribunal, but which, by the exercise of their brief and arbitrary power, contrived to satisfy nobody but themselves.

The Cortez is basically the Congress of Spain historically. The, I mean... Yeah, I thought it was the judiciary body. Yeah, I mean, it's more than that, though. it's it's it's like the government but it was even a government in the time of um i mean it was a government during the spanish civil war they speak of the court says all the time but the um this was like the i guess the parliamentary bureau to the crown at the time yeah so if you consider the character in the spirit of this assembly but particularly of its own of its committee which drew up the

decree of suppression, you cannot but own that any acknowledgement in favor of the Inquisition coming from such authority is itself a circumstance which admits of no reasonable reply. Certain modern unbelievers, the echoes of Protestant ignorance and illiberality, have contended that St. Dominic was the author and founder of the Inquisition, and for this reason, they have not failed declaiming against him, with all the fury of their indignation. Now, the fact is that St. Dominic neither ever exercised any act of an inquisitor, nor had he anything to do with the inquisition.

The origin of the inquisition is dated from the Council of Verona in the year 1184, and the superintendence of it was confided to the order of the Dominicans only in the year 1233, that is, at least 12 years after the death of St. Dominic. Yep, the Prots, debugged. You've been debugged. Well, it gets worse for them as this goes along. Yes. And the 12th's, yeah.

And the atheists. In the 12th century, the heresy of the Manichaeans, who in our times are better known under the name, I looked up at his, that is Albigen, Albedensis. Yeah, Albagencies. Yeah, Albagencies. Appeared to threaten both the peace of the church and the stability of the state. For the security, therefore, of both, it was deemed necessary to send among them certain ecclesiastical commissioners to inquire after the guilty. These commissioners called themselves inquisitors, and their institution was approved by Innocent the 3rd in the year 1204.

You're already here. People are probably already screaming. He was one of the worst popes ever. Got to disagree with you there, bud. At first, the Dominicans acted as delegates from the pope and his legates. As the Inquisition was then, but an appendage to their preaching, they derive from this, their principal function, the name of the preaching friars, a name which they have always retained. Like all institutions which are destined to produce any great effects, the Inquisition was by no means in its commencement, the powerful instrument which subsequently it became. These kinds of inquisitions, all of them, grow and establish themselves.

One knows not how. Called in and introduced by circumstances, opinion in the first instance, approves of them. air long authority sensible of the advantages it may derive from them sanctions them and models them into form and order for these reasons it is not an easy matter to assign the precisely fixed epoch of the inquisition which from feeble beginnings advance gradually towards its full dimensions which is the case with everything that is destined to last excuse me However, this is what may with confidence be asserted that the Inquisition, properly so-called, with all its attributes and in its real character, was never legally established before the year 1233 in virtue of the bull. Illhumane Generis of Gregory the 9th addressed April the 24th to the provincial toloos.

while moreover it is equally uncontestable that the first inquisitors opposed no other arms to the growing heresy, save those of prayer, patience, and instruction. So this is kind of multifaceted. So he's basically saying that the inquisition, as it first began officially, was purely to investigate the guilt, to determine the guilt of people that were a threat to the Spanish, and the Spanish church, the Catholic Church. If you were a Spaniard in Spain, you had to be Catholic in order to be considered a Spain. If you were something other than a Spanish Catholic and you were doing something bad, then that was a direct attack of the state or the church. And the Pope, it was in the Pope's interest to see what was going on.

And he was very careful to state there at the end. that, you know, these inquisitors, they, and he goes on to in this letter, make great pains to say that the inquisitors were never, whenever the ones initiating the violence, whenever the ones advocating any type of corporal punishment or capital punishment. And, you know, this is, it was merely an investigative tool by the Pope at first. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. And it grows. A fact-finding mission.

Yeah, it grows to be a lot more. We'll get to Ferdinand and Isabella eventually. So if we were, I also kind of gleaned it, gleaned this little thought, thought process from this paragraph. What stage of the Inquisition are we in right now? Are we in the nonviolence? stage when we commit our heresies? Yeah. Or are we a little more advanced?

I think we're a little more advanced. So we're probably in like the 13 to 1400s in Spain. Yeah. We're not quite burning people at the stake yet, but it's getting there. Early 1400s. Yeah. Allow me, sir, to make here just one passing observation. It is this, that it is always wrong and injudicious.

to confound the character, or if I may say so express it, the primitive spirit of any institution with the changes and variations which circumstances and the ones in passions of men compel it to undergo in the process of time. You catch them in the corner of your eye. Distinctive. By design. They move you. Even before you drive.

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Yeah, that's hard to swallow. Yeah. That's basically saying you can't apply the law of unintended constant. consequences. Yeah. Of its own, Nate, what were you going to say? He's a fellow Catholic, so I'll buy it for now. I'm willing to hear about. Of its own nature, the Inquisition is a good, mild, and conservative tribunal. All right. He's won me. You're back? Yep. Such, in fact, is the universal, the unvarying, and the indelible character of every ecclesiastical institution. Such as you cannot but have observed is the case at Rome, and such also you will equally find

is the case wherever the church commands. But should the civil power adopting this institution think proper for its own security to render it more severe, the church then, in this case, is no longer responsible for it? Yeah, how many examples? can you think of where, let's say, the private sector comes out with a new technology, and then the state sweeps in and starts using it for nefarious purposes. Or just bad actors in general, many such cases. So he's basically saying it's not the originator's fault that his idea gets used for nefarious purposes. I don't know how I feel about that, but, yeah.

We'll keep going. Again, some good parts here. Toward the end of the 15th century, the prevalence and power of the Jews were so great in Spain, and Judaism had everywhere spread and fixed its roots so deeply as absolutely to threaten the destruction, both of the national religion and of the national prosperity. The riches of the Jews, quoted, says the annals of that period, their influence, their alliances with most illustrious families of the monarchy were circumstances which rendered them infinitely formidable. They really formed a nation within a nation.

Many, many such cases. That doesn't sound like them. Many such cases. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, the Iberian Peninsula after the reconquista, as I learned from Thomas 777, was just a holocaust. of different power centers, the foremost of which was the Spanish, you know, the Spanish monarchy and then the Jews. In addition to these dangers, resulting from the power and influence of the Jews, there came

in also to augment them and to augment them frightfully the growth and propagation of Muhammadism. I always love that word, Muhammadism. the tree in Spain had been shivered and blown down, but its roots still lived. The question, therefore, was to ascertain whether there should still exist such a thing as a Spanish nation, or whether Judaism and Islamism should possess and divide between themselves, its rich and beautiful provinces, that is, whether superstition, despotism, and barbarity should triumph over the piety the liberty and then happiness of mankind. Yeah, I mean, when you're trying to form a national identity,

you can't have multiple power centers that have adversarial interests to you, especially when you're, you just reconquered the Iberian Peninsula and your grip on power is tenuous at best. What do you have to do? You have to, you have to subdue those other power centers. when you're trying to form a covenant community. Or just a community. Yes.

I mean, you could apply this to your local school board election. Like, there are people that want to read books about gay pornography to your kids. You have to subdue them. The Jews were at this time nearly the masters of Spain. And there existed between them and the Catholic body, a mutual and mortal hatred. The Cortez, therefore, now demanded the introduction of severe and coercive measures against them.

In 1391, they rebelled, and multitudes of them perished. As, however, the danger was everyday increasing, Ferdinand, surnamed the Catholic, conceived that, in order to save Spain, nothing would contribute more effectually than the Inquisition. To this, Isabella at first made strong objection, but at length she was induced to consent, and 6th to 4th in the year 1478, issued out the bowls of institution. All right. So, yeah, it started off as ecclesiastical. The civil authorities said, hey, we could use this to tighten our grip and get rid of our enemies. So we're going to, we're going to kind of mesh the two together.

I don't remember if he talks about it in this letter or coming letters, but basically one of their main inquisitions was to, there was a point where the Spanish, the Cortez said, you either convert to Catholicism or you get kicked out. Said that to the Jews, said that to the Islamists. And that was the Cortez, not the Catholic Church. Right. It was the Cortez that said that. And so what they did was I got to the point where there was still a lot of buckery going on.

So they said, we want the inquisitors to be able to question to make sure their conversion and their practice was genuine. And from what I understand, they were given, I think they'll go over there, they were given ample opportunity to say up front, yes, I've been faking. I'm going to leave the country. or I'm going to repent and I'm going to convert, but many decided that they were going to fight against this. Yeah, or keep lying. Again, completely surprised. Permit me again, my lord, before I proceed any farther, to suggest to your consideration another important observation. It is this that never can any great political disorder, but above all, any violent attack upon the body of the state, be prevented.

or repelled, but by the adoption of means alike, violent and energetic. Energetic's a good word. Yeah, I mean, he's absolutely right. And what I gleaned from this is, you know, whenever an institution is threatened, especially when force gets involved, that force is met with equal and opposite energy in order to contain that threat. So to apply that to today, what forces that truly threaten the state or, you know, woke corporations or whatever, whatever you want to, like name an institution.

What forces are threatening them and how much energy is being put into combating that? Because I don't think they view, let's say, joggers and scholars and people that might push push women onto subway tracks, they're not fighting them too hard. So they must not be a threat to whoever is in charge their interests. Because they're not combating them with the equal energy that the joggers are, you know, the joggers kinetic force is pushing the lady onto the third rail.

Yeah. Not only isn't it a threat to them, but it can also be used by them. Yeah, absolutely. Yep. So if you're trying to measure, like, what is a threat to the state? Look at what they're really cracking down on. The family, the church.

Yeah. And how much energy is being used in that crackdown. And that's why I'm kind of not, I'm not in a collapsitarian mindset anymore because they're, I don't think they're exercising as much energy as they could be. Yeah. Yeah. which is why it's not guaranteed that they're going to win. Yeah, absolutely.

Yep. Whether due to incompetence or miscalculation or the fact that we're just not resisting that much. Yeah. This is one of the most incontestable axioms in the Code of Politics. In all real and imminent dangers, the rule of Roman prudence let the consuls see to it that the state received no, harm is the dictate of enlightened policy. Yes. That's just, yeah.

I got a little ahead of myself, but that's the quote that kind of got me thinking. In regard of the methods to be employed or actually employed on such occasions, the best are those. I, of course, exclude crime and injustice. The best are those which succeed. If you could, kind of hard. argue with that. If you consider only the severities of Torkamata without calculating the evils which they prevented, you in this case, cease to reason. I love the way he writes is amazing. It really is. That is pretty good.

Wherefore, let us constantly bear in mind this fundamental truth, that the Inquisition in its origin was an institution demanded and established by the kings of Spain, under very difficult and extraordinary circumstances. You catch them in the corner of your eye. Distinctive. By design. They move you. Even before you drive.

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as circumstances are now changed, so the Inquisition is now no longer, necessary. I think some people in the 1930s would have Yeah. Knowing what they know now. This was like right before the revolutions of 1848 and the Paris commune and all the fun stuff really popping off. People have often expressed their surprise

at seeing the Inquisitors overload and a curse, accused person with a multiplicity of questions in order to ascertain the fact whether or not, in his genealogy, he retained any portion or drop of Jewish or Muhammad in blood. What matters it, they say, to know who was the grandfather or the great-grandfather of the accused. What matters it? It, at that time, mattered greatly because both of the prescribed races being still intimately connected and allied with the great families of the state must necessarily either have trembled or have created terror.

So even back then, they recognized that ethnicities have in-group preference. Shocking. Yeah. Yep. He's trying to explain in-group preference. They have it. Yeah. Which is bad enough if the Spanish have to explain it to themselves.

Yeah. Well, at that time, At the time of the Inquisition, the Catholics had in-group preference, too. So that's what made it, you know, a dialectic battle. Under these circumstances, it became a concern of prudence to strike and alarm the imagination by constantly holding out the threat of the anathema attached to the suspicion of Judaism and Muhammadanism. It is a great mistake to suppose that in order to get rid of a powerful enemy, it suffices

always merely to arrest him. You must subdue him, or you have done nothing. Yep. I hinted at that at the conversation about, you know, the school board, the school board candidate that wants to read gay porn to your kids. It's not simply enough to get rid of them. You need to subdue them and make sure that they're never a threat again. Yeah.

Getting arrested, whatever. I mean, it sucks, but like oftentimes they make a mind. harder out of you. A Malcolm X quote comes to mind. With the exception of a small number of enlightened individuals, you hardly ever in society meet with a person who, speaking of the Inquisition, is not impressed with three capital errors. And these so fast riveted to the mind as not to yield to the very plainest demonstrations.

For example, the public everywhere believe that the Inquisition is a purely ecclesiastical tribunal, a notion which in the first place is false. Secondly, they believe that the ecclesiastics, who sit in this tribunal, condemn certain accused criminals to death. This again is false. Thirdly, they believe that the tribunal condemns men for entertaining mere simple opinions. This too is another falsehood. The tribunal then of the Inquisition is purely and completely royal.

It is the king alone who appoints the Inquisitor General, and the Inquisitor General in his turn nominates the particular inquisitors subject to the approval of the king. So just to stop you for a second, all of those things that he listed, I myself were, was under the impression of being true. That the Spanish Inquisition was headed up by the Catholic Church. Maybe the crown was involved a little bit,

but it was all the Catholic Church that priests condemn people to death and that, you know, they could condemn you to death for very little reason. Well, not to mention, we could throw a fourth one on there, that the priests actually carried out the commission of the of the acts heavily implied yeah the entire time like what what little bit i've learned about it in high school or whatever um heavily implied that the catholic church were the axe swingers and the inquisitor general in his turn nominates to particular inquisitors subject to the approval of the king the constitutional rules and order of the tribunal were drawn up and published in the year 1484 by car Cardinal Torquamana in concert with the king. The inferior inquisitors possessed no power to do anything without the approbation of the grand inquisitor, neither could the latter do aught without the concurrence and sanction of

the Supreme Council. This council was not established by any bull of the Pope, so that in the case of the general inquisitor's charge becoming vacant, the members of the tribunal proceeded to act alone, not as ecclesiastical, but as royal judges. So the formal structure of the Inquisition really was headed up by the Spanish crown. That's what I gather from that. Like all of those layers of, you know, judiciary and investigation and the processes that they abide by and who answers to who, that really was formed by the crown. and or at least the Crown had approval authority over pretty much everything.

That's what I gather from that. Yeah. They were not going to act unless the Crown, unless the Crown told them to, basically. They were just, they're basically an advisory board that did some strenuous interviews. Yeah, a special investigator that just makes recommendations. The Inquisitor General, in virtue of the Bulls of the Sovereign Poncef and the King, in virtue of his royal prerogatives, constitute the authority which has always regulated the tribunals of the Inquisition. These tribunals are, thus, at once ecclesiastical and royal, so that, on the supposition of one or other of the two powers receiving, the actions of these tribunals would, in such case, be necessarily suspended. The committee of the Cortez in their report have thought proper to represent the two powers as in a state of equilibrium in the tribunals of the Inquisition.

But no one, surely, can be the dupe of such misrepresentation or of the falsehood of this pretended equilibrium. The Inquisition is purely a royal instrument, completely and exclusively under the control of the king and powerless to do evil, save through the, the fault of his ministers. If the proceedings in any cause are not regular or the proofs not clear, the King's counselors can always, where there is a question of capital punishments, at once, and by one word, annul the whole process. Neither religion nor the priesthood have, in such cases, anything at all to do in the concern.

me. If unhappily it do so chance that the accused is punished without being guilty, the fault and the injustice would then be either in the king whose laws had unjustly ordained the punishment or else in the magistrates who unjustly inflicted it. But of this, I will cite the proofs hereafter. So it sounds a lot like he's trying to head off a lot of criticism. of the Catholic Church that was probably happening at his time as the Inquisition was ending. And I'm sure that the Spanish civil authorities were all too willing to let them take the brunt of the bad PR. More than willing. Yeah.

Okay. You may remark, my lord, that among the numberless declamations, which have been published against the Inquisition, you never trace so much as one word respecting this distinctive character of the tribunal. A circumstance, however, which in justice, all writers on the subject ought essentially to have remarked. Thus, Voltaire, for example, in a hundred passages of his work, describes a tribunal as the instrument exclusively of priestly cruelty and injustice. This is quoting Voltaire.

this bloody tribunal, that frightful monument of monkish power, which Spain has received, but which she herself abhors, which avenges the altars but dishonors them, which all covered with blood, encircled by flames, slaughter as mortals with a sacred sword. Yeah, thanks, Walter. Original shoot, though. It's just like a, like, a, like, a, frigging, a 19-year-old libertarian. Yeah. A cringe fedora wearing atheist. Yeah, I mean, same thing. It sounds a lot like the Spanish civil authorities were more than happy to shovel the blame on the church.

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now this tribunal although thus frightfully depicted is nevertheless the tribunal of a nation distinguished for its wisdom its moderation and its high sense of honor this is all true by the way

15th 16th and 17th century Spain is considered I mean the way Spengler talks about it in Prussianism and socialism he just he can't say enough good things about 15, 16th, 17th century, Spain. Well, yeah, like Thomas says, they were kind of a Westphalian nation state before the piece of Westphalia. Yeah.

And they kind of got a, they're at the apex of their power throughout all that age of exploration, even through the, well, kind of falling off at the Enlightenment and Queen Anne's War and all that kind of Fuck them. But yeah, I mean, they, they were pretty cool. I wish I learned more about them growing up. And, you know, they couldn't keep their empire. Yeah. Yep.

Yeah. So, yeah. That's what, uh, more than anything really starts leading to the, the downfall and how the poverty and that you see and they'll start seeing in the 1800s in the early 1900s, which basically leads up to the war. Yeah, like I was always taught that after the Spanish armada got destroyed, that was kind of the what sealed their fate when they went after England. It is a tribunal, strictly royal, composed of such members only of the clergy as are remarkable for their learning and their abilities and who, judging of real crimes in virtue of the public and preexisting laws, pronounced their sentence with a measure of equity and wisdom, which perhaps could nowhere be found in. any other court of justice.

That's really tickling their balls. Yeah. Yeah. This is the best special investigator we've ever had. He's completely objective. And all he does is make recommendations. They never condemn anyone, however criminal, to death. Hence, then, in what terms can I express the infamy of the base culminator?

that's really doing damage to a word that I'm really familiar with, but wow. Columnator, who in the above verses, thus insolently misrepresents an order of men who, so far from being cruel, are even remarkable for their clemency and moderation. But the truth is, Voltaire had his reasons for hating all authority. if men were all of them wise and well instructed the absurdities and falsehoods like the foregoing would incite only their ridicule and contempt but unfortunately such is not the case

yeah unfortunately Albert still exist and they're not laughed out of the public square the public ignorant and prejudice are easily imposed upon and deceived and the consequences that cheated by the gross misrepresentations of a host of culminating writers, they look upon the inquisition as a club of stupid and ferocious monks

who roast men for their own amusement. Nay, it is even true, such as the force of prejudice and ignorance, that the same erroneous and unjust notions prevail even in the minds of a multitude of individuals who, in other regards, are distinguished for there are good sense, many such cases. I mean, I was one of those people that thought that the priests were swinging the axes. And like, I'm Catholic.

I should know better. Like, there's no way that a priest that a non-excommunicated priest can recommend the death penalty or can, can, you know, cause physical harm to somebody or even like promoted. Like, they would be excommunicated. Like, it's, that's just not something that they do. I mean, and they have to, in order to do it, they have to demonize a whole brotherhood, like the Dominicans. Yeah.

I'd say, oh, they were a rogue, they were a rogue element. We're like one of the few good orders. You may find them moreover in the works, not unfrequently, of the very defenders of sound and virtuous princes. Thus, for example, in the Journal de la Empire, you may read the following strange passage. Let me go to the English. It is true, whatever else may be said of them, that the Inquisitors had maintained until 1783, the somewhat severe habit of solemnly burning people who did not but believe in God.

This was their habit, but apart from this point, they were a very good character. Yeah, like, again, that never happened. Like, a priest did not say this guy should be burned for not believing in God. Surely the author of this passage could never have reflected seriously upon what he writes. Where then, in what nation of the globe? Does there exist a tribunal which never condemned anyone to death? Yeah. Even the civil authorities were not that far off from doing that.

Or what crime does any civil tribunal commit which condemns the accused to death in virtue of a law of the state, ordaining such punishment for the crime of which he has proved to have been guilty? And where again is the Spanish law which ordains that deist shall be put to death? The boldness of such assertion is as impudent an attempt to impose upon the credulity of the public as an injustice or bigotency. could well have invented. I mean, I mean, it's just

freaking liars, man. I mean, it's just flat out fall. It's flat out fiction. Yeah, you can't call the punishment that's dealt out by a lawful, a lawful legitimate institution,

a crime. Unless you're, unless you're trying to win hearts and minds for some purpose. Right. Amid the number. errors which the enemies of our religion have propagated, and with two deplorable success, impressed deeply on the minds of the public, I hardly know any that have surprised me more

than the supposition and belief that priests are ever permitted to condemn anyone to death. Men may be excused for not knowing the religions of foe, of Buddha, or of summon a condom. Although still, whoever undertakes to defame, even these preposterous systems ought first, injustice, to understand something at least about them. Come on, Europeans. But for a Christian to be ignorant of the laws of universal Christianity, this surely is a disorder which no apology can justify. For what I has not seen the immense and lucid orb suspended for 1,800 years between heaven and earth. or what ear has not heard the eternal axiom of our religion that the church abores blood?

Who does not know that the priest is even forbidden to be a surgeon, lest his consecrated hands shed the blood of a man, although it be even for his cure? Who does not know that in many Catholic nations the priest is dispensed with from appearing as a witness in trials of life and death? and that even in countries where such condescends is not allowed, he is still allowed to enter his protests, that he only appears as such in obedience to the laws and in order to plead for mercy. Never does the priest erect the scaffold. He ascends it only as the martyr or the comforter.

He preaches not but clemency and pity, and in no corner of the globe does he shed any other blood but his own. Yeah, it's, you know, I'd like, I did a little bit of research into looking for any instances where, any instance throughout history where a member of the Catholic clergy has ever advocated for capital punishment or physical harm. and the one instance that came up first was some priest in Vichy, France that collaborated with the Nazis to, like, root out Jews and get them deported. And I can't find anything about him in English. The church, says Pascal, the Chase spouse of the Son of God is always an imitation of this merciful being, prepared and ready to shed her blood for the sake of others, but not to shed that of others for her own sake. She entertains the most decided horror of bloodshed, proportion to that particular light which God has communicated to her. She considers men, not simply as men, but as the images of the God whom she adores.

She cherishes for each and every individual that holy respect, which renders them all venerable in her sight, as having been purchased and redeemed at an infinite price in order to become one day the temples of the living God. For these reasons, it is that she looks upon the death of an individual inflicted without an order from God, not only as an act of murder, but as a sacrilege. Moreover, depriving her thus of one of her members, because whether the person thus sacrificed be one of the faithful or not, She still always considers him either as being one of her children or else capable of becoming such. You catch them in the corner of your eye. Distinctive.

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And as somebody who grew up Catholic and graduated Catholic school and everything. It's got a part of the deal. Yes, I am a piece of shit. Nice to meet you. I went to a Jesuit school for a couple of years and I still don't know shit. It is very well known that no private individual is permitted to require the death of another. Once, it became necessary to establish public officers to do this by the authority of the king, or rather by that of the Almighty.

and hence again, in order to act as the faithful dispensers of the divine power in all cases of life and death, the magistrates have no liberty of judging and deciding, save by the testimony and the depositions of witnesses, in consequence of which they can neither in conscience pass any sentence, pass any sentence, but according to the dictate of the law, nor condemn anyone to death, but him whom the law condemns. Yeah, the civil law condemns. Yeah. And then, too, if the order of God obliges them to consign the body of the wretched criminal to punishment, the same order of God obliges them again to take care of his guilty soul. In all this, there is nothing but what is right and completely innocent. And still so much does the church abhor the shedding of blood that she declares all those incapacitated for the service of her altars, which have ever participated in a sentence of

death, although this were attended by all the aforesaid religious circumstances. Yeah. There's a, again, just making very clear that line that priests will not cross. And when civil authorities do cross it, then the priest has a role too. But it's not a nefarious or harmful role. It's praying for their soul. You cannot, sir, but admire the beauty and own the way. wisdom of the above theory. Perhaps however you may wish, likewise, to know by experience,

the true spirit of the priesthood in relation to this interesting object. Well, well then, study and consider this. In those countries or places where the priesthood once held or still holds the scepter, a series of extraordinary circumstances had formerly established in Germany a multitude of ecclesiastical sovereignties. To judge of these, under the heads of clemency and justice, you need only call to your recollection the old German proverb. It is good to live under the Crozier. Yeah, it made me wonder, like, what the difference was between living, you know,

in, let's say, medieval Germany, that region, like under a bishop prick or a duchy or a county, you know, or a, or a, or a, or a, free city. Like, what were the difference? Like, what was your interaction with civil authorities like in each one of them? Like, how do they compare? Yeah, I would think that those were, um, they could actually be anarch. Yeah.

You're not really dealing with them unless you get on someone's radar. Yeah. Or they need to raise some levies or, you know, the taxman comes to take some wheat or whatever. Yeah. Proverbs, which are the fruit of public experience, are testimonies which never deceive us. I, therefore, appeal to this authority, which is still farther confirmed by the sanction of every man who possess either memory or judgment. Never under those mild and pacific governments was there any question of persecution, nor of any capital sentence, against the spiritual enemies of the reigning powers.

And what, sir, shall I say of Rome? It is, no doubt, under the government of the sovereign pontiffs that the spirit of the priesthood should manifest itself the most unequivocally. Now it is an incontestable and universally admitted truth that never has this government been reproached with ought, but it's too great mildness. nowhere does there exist a more paternal administration, a more impartial distribution of justice, an order of punishment more gentle and humane, a measure of toleration more complete. Rome is, perhaps, the only place in Europe where the Jew is neither humbled nor ill-treated.

At all events, it is most certainly the place where he is the happiest, for Rome has always been proverbially called the Paradise of the Jews. yeah i mean it gets you thinking first century was a little rough yeah yeah for a little bit well they you know once again there's some backstory to that but um it got me thinking like i wonder what it would be like to live in the vatican like that is a true theocracy and then i went and looked up their crime rate and of course it's abysmally low um i know that you know only certain people can live in the that it has about a thousand permanent residents and then you get the gendarme or how do you say it jendarm the swiss army the swiss yeah yeah yep um you know you get their

barracks there but um you know it it it was very recently that um a guy tried to run the run the gate at uh at the vatican and the the swiss guard like shot out his tires he crashed his car and then they took that guy to the hospital and, like, gave him medical treatment. Yeah. And, like, just, like, sent him away for investigation and then, like, let him go. You mean like, Frank? Yeah. Yeah.

And who was it? Pope Benedict. The guy that tried to assassinate Pope Benedict, he was like a Turkish hitman. Pope Benedict, like, went to his prison cell. And they didn't record. the conversation, but he gave him a box with rosary beads and then petitioned the Italian president to pardon him. And the guy got pardoned and then like converted to Christianity, converted to Catholicism afterwards. This was like a Turkish hitman. And like so I think that

probably characterizes living in a in a true theocracy more more so like I I can't characterize living in a democracy or in a dictatorship or anything like that. There's just, it's so inconsistent that, you know, I might get pushed on the third rail of the subway tomorrow. Or I might, you know, I might get promoted at my job. I don't know. Yeah. But, yeah, that's what I gather from that.

Like, huh, I wonder if the Vatican's a nice place to live. That's really the only, the last remaining truth, theocracy today. and like manner consult the voice of history. What government do you anywhere find that has been less severe than that of modern Rome in relation to every kind of anti-religious offenses and disorders? Even during those periods which are called the Ages of Ignorance and Fanaticism, not even then did its spirit or its practice vary. Thus, let me just cite to you the example of Clinton.

Clement the Fourth, absolutely scolding the King of France, and this king was San Luis himself, for having made certain laws against blasphemers, which that pontiff thought too severe, entreating him at the same time very urgently in his bull of July 12, 128, to mitigate them. He, moreover, in another bull of the same date addressed to the King of Navarre, remarks to this prince, it is by no means advisable to imitate the example of our very beloved son in Jesus Christ, the illustrious King of France, in regard to those two rigorous laws, which he has published against these kinds of crimes. I never knew that.

Well, I mean, it's interesting that this was so famous an incident that he could just reference it to the King of Navarra. and he knows exactly what he's talking about. Yeah, yeah. It's not something you think would, like, again, going back to being taught, you know, the implications of what I was taught growing up is that, you know, when a civil authority passed a blasphemy law, it was at the behest of the Pope. And that's not the case, I'm finding out.

Actually, the Pope didn't like that at all. Yeah, it was the civil authority. Voltaire, in some of those moments when his common sense was not obscured by the clouds or fever of irreligion, has on several occasions borne very honorable testimony to the papal government. Thus, in his poem, Delalue, Natural, Oralius Trejan, princes of renown, the Pontus Bonnet War, and Emperor's Crown, You catch them in the corner of your eye. Distinctive, by design. They move you, even before you drive. The new Cooper plugin hybrid range.

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Those legislators with Sage Maxim's fraught, ne'er for their sacred birds with fury fought. On the same principle, Rome now holds command, the throne and altar by their union stand. Hmm. It's like bringing up an old tweet. Oh, I thought you liked this. That's so funny. Where such then is the evidence of the general character of the church.

Why should it anywhere be called in question? Mild, tolerant, charitable in every nation of the globe. Why, or by what magic does it so chance that she is cruel alone in Spain? a nation eminently distinguished for its high sense of honor and for the generosity of its subjects. Man, he's fondly a lot of balls. I must hear premise an important observation. It is this, that in the discussion of all questions, be these what they may, there is nothing so essential as to avoid a confusion of ideas.

Wherefore, when we speak or reason about the Inquisition, let us always separate and distinguish accurately the conduct of the state from the conduct of the church. Whatever in this tribunal is rigorous and frightful, but above all the punishment of death, all this is purely the concern of the civil government. It is its affair, and it alone is accountable for it. Whereas all the clemency, which is so remarkable in this tribunal, is the act and influence of the church which interferes with punishments

only in order either to suppress or to mitigate them. Such it is indelible and never varying character. Not only is it an error. It is even a crime to maintain or yet to suppose that the priesthood can ever pronounce

the sentence of death upon anyone. It's like, uh, I feel like if ANCAPs read this, they would come to the conclusion that the church was better at anarchism than any other institution has been. You know, what is sidelined the state more? you know, anarcho-capitalism or all of the successful, the successful conversions to clemency

that the church, you know, gave to the state on behalf of the people they're accusing. Yeah, I mean. Which has saved more lives. Maybe we should tell the church about Ross Oldbrook. Yeah. Yep. I guarantee they would be better advocates than a lot of other people.

Yeah. At least more effective. Well, it would be less of a virtue signal. Yeah. I mean, it's, you're not looking at somebody like myself that posts the N-word on Twitter all day, suddenly pivoting to, you know, we should really, like, oh, my heart bleeds for, you know, let's say Ross Albrecht, like that, that doesn't sound right coming from somebody like me. But from somebody whose heart bleeds daily on Twitter, like, and has a little more weight to it.

Yep. A little more credibility. In the history of France, there is a great event which is not sufficiently noticed. It is that which regards the Templars. These unfortunate beings, whether guilty or not, this is not here the question petitioned earnestly to be tried by the tribunal of the inquisition, knowing well, say they're historians, that if they could only succeed in obtaining its members for their judges, they should run no risk of being condemned to death.

The King of France, however, aware of this and of the inevitable consequences of this appeal of the Templars, formed now his own determination. He shut himself up alone, his counsel of state and at once hastily condemned them to death. This is a fact, which is not, I believe, sufficiently or generally known. I don't know that. Yeah, me either. At the earlier periods of the Inquisition and when the greatest severity was chiefly needed, the Inquisitors in Spain used not to inflict any punishment more rigorous than the confiscation

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by the Magisterium that forbid priests from being involved in any advocation of capital punishment. And it's been that way forever. In our times, the matter is no longer an object of incertitude. It is now well known that every important sentence, even the sentence of simple arrest, was decided by the advice of the Supreme Council, without whose authority nothing was, in fact, determined. Now, this is a circumstance which presupposes it implies both the greatest prudence and the most careful circumspection. But in short, if it did so happen that the accused was pronounced a heretic, the tribunal in this case after having ordered the confiscation of his property,

made him over for the legal punishment to the secular arm, that is, to the Council of Castile, a body of men than whom nothing in any nation could be more enlightened, more learned, or more impartial. If the proofs alleged against the accused did not appear evident, or if even though guilty, he did not remain obstinate, the only punishment which then was inflicted on him was simply an act of abjuration, performed in the church, and attended by certain prescribed ceremonies. did you look up what abjuration is? I can do that right now. I'm guessing it has something to do with like anathematizing.

Yeah, solemn repudiation, abandonment, or renunciation. So yeah, anathematizing, excommunicating, you know, along those lines, but in a formal official capacity. Yeah. It is true. All this implied a certain measure of disgrace to the family of the criminal. and to the criminal himself, it involved the incapacity of exercising any public employment. I am, however, perfectly convinced that in regard of these latter dispositions, they were but the artifices of clemency invented for the express purpose of sheltering

the greatest criminals. Certain facts which have come to my own knowledge, and above all the character itself of the tribunal, leave no doubt whatsoever upon my mind in these respects. But in order not to dwell any longer upon this part of my subject, I will at once place before you one of the sentences of the inquisition of the most severe and rigorous character. It is one which, without ordering the death of the criminal, still draws that punishment after it on the supposition that the guilt be such as the law ordains shall be visited by this infliction. The following, then, is the form and nature of the sentence. we have declared and do hereby declare that the accused NN is convicted of being an apostate heretic,

an encourager and concealer of heretics, a false and pretended confessant, and a relapsed impenitent by which crimes he has incurred the punishment of the greater excommunication and the confiscation of all his goods to the profit of the royal chamber and of his majesty's Attorney General. We moreover declare that the accused ought to be left as we now leave him to justice and to the secular arm in treating these and very affectionately and in the best strongest manner that we can, charging them to treat the criminal with kindness and compassion.

Wow. On a left field. That's not the church that Voltaire was talking about. Or anyone, really. Yeah. The Spanish author of the Inquisition unmasked, who has furnished me with the above details, pretends it is true that the clause thus recommending mercy is no other than a mere unavailing formality and of no service to the criminal. And in order to prove this, he cites the words of N. Espin, according to whom the protestation made by the tribunal is little else than a kind of external formality, which nevertheless is dear to the church.

Yeah. They had to say that. They didn't really mean it. Now, this objection does not, after all, in any degree, weaken the general proposition that the Inquisition never itself condemns anyone to death, and that on no occasion will there be found the name of any priest inscribed on any warrant for such execution. Where the laws of Spain ordained the punishment of death for such or such a crime,

the courts of justice cannot, of course, oppose them. Thus, if the Inquisition, after the most diligent investigation, and from the clearest evidence, find the accused guilty of the crimes imputed to him, its judgment then, if it be a case of death, regulated by the laws, will therefore be followed by death. But with this, the tribunal itself has nothing at all to do. And it is, and forever will be true, that it never condemns anyone, one, however guilty to death. Yeah.

So it's kind of like a special investigation you see, you know, that we, that we saw a lot of, with the last president. Their job is to find out the facts, determine if any crimes were committed, only instead of recommending sentencing, they don't even do that. All they do is investigate. and he goes through great pains and uses primary sources to basically prove his point. The civil power acts and has the authority to act as it thinks proper. But if by virtue of the foregoing clause dear to the church,

it judges condemned any innocent man to death themselves in such case would be the great offending criminals. Hence, then that unceasingly repeated expression, calling the Inquisition a bloody tribunal is not merely groundless but absurd. There does not, there cannot exist anywhere at tribunal, but what unhappily is sometimes under the necessity of condemning the criminal to death and which is irreproachable for doing so provided it but executes the law upon the most positive and clearest evidence and which even would be justly reproachable if it did not execute the law upon such testimony.

Yeah. If you don't, if your judicial system doesn't carry out your, you know, the sentencing guidelines for whatever crime, then what good is it? That's kind of what we have now where, you know, you could, I won't go with that example, but you could murder somebody and some, and depending on who you are, you might get off with, you know, six months of. prison or you might go on the fast track to, you know, the electric chair. You know, that whole anarchotarity thing that we have right now. Yeah, my cat. My cat's going to go crazy. Get out of here. It is. Yeah.

Well, I mean, I was thinking that. Yeah, it's an narco tyranny if you don't. Yeah. And that's what we're under right now. Yeah, the idea that you could have a judicial system that just does whatever they feel like whatever they want is a completely foreign concept to somebody like de Meister. Like a tribunal is what it is and the laws are what they are. And the maximum sentences are also what they are.

And they don't even have to do the maximum sentence. They can decide they want to give somebody a slap on the wrist. But it's just right back out to rape again. But they are listening to what, you know, this tribunal is saying. investigation. Yeah. It is, moreover, a fact that the Inquisition does not itself condemn anyone to the punishment of death ordained by the dictator of the laws. This is a matter purely and essentially civil. Be the appearances ever so much, be the appearances ever so much against it. And upon this point, the committee itself of the Cortez agrees with the author of the Inquisition Unmasked,

who I have cited already, Philip II, says the committee, the most absurd of, princes was the real founder of the Inquisition. It was his refined policy that exalted it. So it wasn't say Dominic. Right. It was his refined policy that exalted it to the height of authority to which it rose. Our monarchs have always rejected the councils and suspicions, which at times have been addressed to them against the tribunal.

And their reasons were, because in every case, there were the absolute masters of naming, suspending and dismissing the inquisitors, whilst at the same time themselves had nothing to apprehend from the tribunal. From these concessions of the committee, I think it is evident that the tribunal of the inquisition was completely under the control, not of the priesthood, but of the civil or royal authority. Or if the preceding passage should not convince you of this, I will cite to you another from the same report in which the committee observes that in no papal bull can it be found that the Supreme Council has the right to decide any cause in the absence of the Grand Inquisitor, but which, however, is constantly done without the slenderest difficulty.

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concludes that in these cases the councillors act, not as ecclesiastical, but as royal judges. But beyond all this, as it is not an incontestable fact, fact that neither at present nor formally could any order of the Inquisition be, I do not say executed, but so much as published without the previous consent of the king. Yeah. Everything went by him.

It was for this reason, what? No. It was for these reasons that the kings of Spain have at all periods been strongly attached to the Inquisition. thus Charles V when petitioned by the states of Aragon and Castile to render the proceedings of the Inquisition less severe replied, for he was a prince who pretty well understood the art of ruling to their addresses in terms the most ambiguous, seeming to grant everything and yet in reality granting nothing. Yep. Truth. I'm like Charles V at my job.

I totally get it. Game recognizes game. Wentz Garnier, an historian who on this subject is, of all others, the least to be suspected, very candidly allows that the religious inquisition was nothing more nor less than a political institution. It is a fact which merits notice that in the year 1519, the Argonese had obtained from Leo the Tent, the complete concession of all their petitions upon this subject, a circumstance which strikingly points out the spirit of the church and the character of her pontiffs. However, Charles V opposed the execution of the papal bulls and Leo,

in order that he might not discuss the king, issued in 1520, the bull in which he approves of Charles's conduct. Huh. So I guess there was some drama. Yeah. I have thus stated to your lordship the character of the Inquisition. From it and from the facts which I have cited, you will be convinced how groundless are the notions which the public everywhere entertain of this tribunal and how unjust the columnies with which the infidel and the Protestant writers have so bitterly assailed it. It's had to get that in there at the end. Yep, I love it.

yeah this uh reading this the past few days um i it it makes me want to look at what else in perium press has yeah there's uh there's a lot there there i've read a good amount of of their of their work and uh they're putting out stuff that and not only revision but a lot of reaction. I mean, they have their own version of the Iliad. Oh, really? Classic stuff. Yeah. It's a good website to just go and browse and you'll

find great stuff. But the, I think Thomas said it properly in the episode. It's like before the internet, everybody believed the Inquisition was about these executions by the church and everything. But then like after after the internet, when you can just climb,

you know, climb on your computer. and find out, oh, it actually wasn't like this at all. There's proof out here that it's exactly what De Meister says it is. Now you just look foolish if you're holding to that. So some of the prep work I tried to do for this episode was looking into primary source documents for any type of case notes or interrogations, any type of official documents. documentation of them. And then also there's a, there actually,

there actually exists a inquisitor's manual. It's literally called like manual inquisitorum. Unfortunately, the vast majority of primary source documents I could find have not been translated into English. So I think that's kind of the next great leap as far as, you know, just, um, this, this whole react reaction thing is. translating, translating as many things as we can because that's where the revision's going to come from.

Yeah. I was thinking about this the other day. And when you think about it, it's such a black pill, how much of history just are we never going to know? Yeah. Because, I mean, 90% of the things that we know about history have been translated from other languages, but, you know, by people that, don't may not like the original interpretation. Well, also just how much wasn't written down, how much has been lost, how much has been hidden, how much it's, I mean, I mean, look at like Nag Hammadi, those texts and everything, finding those texts, it's like how, it's like whenever you find something new, it's just like, oh, you know, it, it, it seeks to revive. what, you know, what people have known. But you find out that even, even in the 21st century, if people, if something is uncovered that basically shows that anything that you know, anything you've held, and especially

if you've held it close to your vest and made it a part of you is wrong, you're going to fight against it as much as the, what's the story of the priest's. didn't want to look through the telescope. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, but I don't know, man. We got some more letters to go through here. And the more as you read the, the letter is you, if there's any, if you're reading and you think there's any that like repeat too much and you think we should, we should skip.

Let me know. I'm going to, I'm going to read them as we go as we. I've already read the whole book, but I've been, I reread this first letter again today. I'll reread it as we go through it and maybe there are some ones we can skip but there are some ones coming up that have that have, sorry about that, that have some really good stuff in them,

that some really good points and especially when he starts talking about the bloody revolution. Yeah, that's another thing I was going to bring up is I didn't know that there was a Jewish revolution in what, 1319? Oh, 1391? I was reading another source on that the other day.

Yeah, that's considered to be a pogrom. Yeah, that rose up and they were put down, put down hard. Yeah. I mean, there was no mercy on that one. So the conversos. Yeah. I think they dealt with them well. So converter leave.

Yeah. I mean, converter leave. I mean, you know, it's, I think it's missed by a lot of nominal Christians that, and E. Michael Jones hits on this all the time. It's like your duty is to convert the Jews. Yeah. But if you were to ever come out and say that in any official capacity as any type of religious institution, you would be immediately tossed at the fire. Yeah, I mean, Tim Kelly from the Our Interesting Times podcast is a, you know, he knows he Michael Jones has him on at least once a month. Oh, yeah. And, you know, Tim said that.

He said it on my show or when I was on his show one of the times I can't remember. But he's like, yeah, he's like, well, I mean, he's like, I, half of my podcast is complaining, complaining about, you know, these Jewish elites and everything. And really, the only way, you know, his way to deal with them is they have to be converted. I mean, you know, they need to find Christ. But, you know, you say that and people, you know, that's literally the Christian answer. Yeah, it's like, you say that and it's just like, all right, well, you know,

you're some, you're an inquisitor of some sort. Yeah, I, I suck at it. That's one thing that I suck at is evangelization. I know it's like our duty to spread the word, but I also know that I'm retarded. and I have the memory of a goldfish, so I'm not very good at quoting scripture. And I'm still pretty true. That's why he became a Catholic.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, I don't need to now. I hear it a couple times a week and I'm good. Yeah, I've told people that like in when I went to the Jesuit school I went to, we studied scripture. Oh, yeah. We studied people. I find that hard.

believe. Yeah, no, it's, I mean, I went through a rigorous, just investigative process about, you know, everything I hear about the Catholic Church, like, why do they do this? Why is their liturgical structure? Why is their liturgy structured like this? And they always managed to base it on scripture or tradition. And at least in my, in my, in my, in my, in my idiot brain, I think I was being pretty objective when I was kind of going through my crisis of faith. Like, it seems satisfactory. You catch them in the corner of your eye. Distinctive.

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I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekinae show. Aaron's back and we're going to talk about torture and stuff like that. How you doing, Aaron? I am rock hard right now. You ready for it? Oh, yeah. You want to just jump in? Let me get the screen up so we can look at this.

Yeah, yeah. I'll stop you if I have any valuable insights or just insights. Awesome. All right. There's five letters in this, and I don't know that we're going to do every letter, but I looked at the second letter and just the way it started out was, you know, like, amazing. But it's also shorter than the first letter.

And this gets into some things the first letter didn't. So if I see any overlap in other letters, I'm going to skip over them. All right, so de Maestro talking to an anonymous Russian nobleman. After the supposition that the Inquisition is a purely ecclesiastical tribunal and that priests can condemn men to death, after this, they're needed but one other supposition to complete the absurd phantom of malevolent ignorance. Namely, that the Inquisition condemned men for their simple opinion, and that a Jew, for example, was burnt for no other offense than being purely and simply a Jew.

This indeed is an assertion which has been so often repeated that multitudes actually believe the preposterous tale. Among the least excusable, among the least excusable, columnators of the insulted institution, I regret and am surprised to find so distinguished a character as Montesquieu. But so it is. We unfortunately see this great writer with the boldest intrepidity, pouring out the most virulent language against it on the occasion of a pretended remonstrance of a pretended Jewess. He even makes this the subject of a chapter in his esprit de l'H. Montesquieu.

Now, the fact is that the very idea of burning a young, innocent girl, and this, too, in one of the grand capitals of Europe, for no other offense than that of believing in her own religion, there is in this something too horrible to be conceived. The reality of such act would form a national crime, sufficient to call down the deepest disgrace upon a nation, nay, perhaps even upon a century. I'm getting idea. I think I see where this is going. Yeah.

This is like what books did they burn? Yeah. History repeats itself a lot, doesn't it? Ah, you know, already tell. The accusations repeat themselves a lot. but happily the whole tale is a pitiful calumny, disgraceful only to the writer whose malignant ingenuity invented it. How long then has it been allowed to caluminate?

Why does he keep using this word over and over again, culminate nations and to insult the institutions which they have thought proper to establish among themselves? Or where is the decency or the justice of attributing to these institutions acts of the most atrocious tyranny. This has some very striking similarities to a more recent historical event. And to do this, moreover, not only without the sanction of any testimony or proof, but in face of the most notorious evidences to the contrary.

In Spain and in Portugal equally, as in fact it is the case everywhere, no one is ever molested who keeps himself quiet. I heard that Charles Haywood recently, I think Tommy Simmons was talking to him, and they were talking about like a Red Caesar. And Charles had made the point. He's like, and people on the right are worried about that. He's like, as long as you're not a parasite,

what are you worried about? Yeah. Yeah, that's one of the reasons why I would prefer, For like, if I were to be an anti-authoritarian, I would still prefer right-wing takeover only because I wouldn't have a whole lot to worry about. My preference is already a line, mostly. And the ones that don't, I can play the game. Yeah. That's pretty much what it comes down to.

Can you play the game with, you know, progressive technocracy? Not so much. Yeah. As for the imprudent enthusiast who dogmatizes and disturbs the public order of things, he, if checked in his career, has no one to complain of but himself. This is nowhere in any nation a well-regulated, there is nowhere in any nation a well-regulated government, but what imposes restraints or some punishment or other upon the daring attempts to overturn religion.

Yeah, we're witnessing that right now with our current religion, our current national religion. Any attempts to overthrow it or criticize it are dealt with swiftly. Yeah. And the Inquisition has already started here. I think we made that clear the last episode. Yeah, absolutely. They're not burning us, but they're burning our livelihoods, gleefully. No one has any right to demand of the kings of Spain, why, or for what reasons they have thought proper to ordain such and such punishments for such and such offenses. They knew best what were the wants and the interests of the nation. They knew the character. their enemies, and they restrain them in the way which they judged most prudent.

The grand and only question, and this too, incontestable, is this, that, in regard to the offenses of which I am speaking, no one is ever punished, but in virtue of a universal and well-known law, according to established and invariable forms of justice, and by lawfully constituted judges deriving their whole authority from the king and acting completely underhand. his control. Yeah, I mean, at the time, I'm sure that made a whole lot of sense, and it was, you know, it generally worked out well for people of de Meister's persuasion. Where we're experiencing that right now.

That's, I mean, everything, everything in regards to these norms are, are internalized right now in the American psyche, only instead of a king, it's, you know, democracy or whatever you want to say it is, progress, equality. Sodomy. Sodomy. Sodomy. But, yeah, I mean, so I guess one way to look at this, if you want to parse out what we can, what we can apply today is like we said in the last episode, like you just said,

picture ourselves as subjects of an inquisition right now. only the Inquisition that we were taught as, you know, as as kids in school. Like that version of the Inquisition, they are now projecting onto us. Right. Under these circumstances, then, how ill-founded are all the declamations against the tribunal of the Inquisition and how little reason has any Spaniard to complain? It is true. Man justly dislikes to be judged by man because, knowing himself, he,

knows also of what man is capable when once he is either blinded by his passions or pushed on by prejudice. But where there is a question, but where there is question of law to this, men ought to be submissive. They ought to, they ought not to attempt to, they ought not to attempt to disturb the public peace. Libertarians blown the fuck out. Reason and instincts of nature admit no better.

rule in these points than the general enlightened and disinterested will of a legislature substituted everywhere in place to the particular ignorant and partial will of man. So the biggest problem with this is impartial legislature? Well, I mean, everyone's going to hold this up to the mirror of the legislature they live under. And considering the one that we live under right now, you know, I mean, right, you know, proper right, people on the right are appalled by it. People on the left applaud it or I don't even know if it's left.

I mean, it's, it's a weird dichotomy now. It's like, I mean, people who, it's hard to describe. Your episode on the consequences of the Civil Rights Act. I'm sorry, I forget his name. They're co-hosted for Jared Taylor. He's exactly right that people are drawn to power and they will subsume their identity even to the point that they believe it

in order to maintain safety. And at one point, what De Maistre is saying here is how people did that. They submitted themselves to the will of a monarch and under the assumption that the monarch knows his people the best and acts prudently in, you know, meeting out punishment and enforcing the law. And it was the people outside of that, like we're going to read later, the Jays, that were the ones, I mean, I don't want to say they're kind of in our position, but, you know,

they were the ones trying to overthrow a culture that they disagreed with. And I don't, I'm not saying I agree with them, but they were, eventually they were successfully able to do that, you know, in the early 1800s. And that's why De Meister's pissed off in these letters.

And, you know, like it, it kind of gives us hope. I mean, I think I'm about 10 IQ points lower than the average Ashkenazi, but I don't know. All right.

Well, let's get up to that point. If therefore the laws of Spain composed and ordained for the peace and security of the whole nation, if these inflict the punishments of exile, imprisonment, or even death itself against the declared and public enemies of religion, in this case, neither should anyone excuse the criminal who has thus called down the punishment upon himself. Neither should the criminal himself complain, seeing that he promised the most simple means of a, avoiding it, that of holding his tongue. Yes. All you have to do is shut your fat mouth and then you'll be fine.

Nobody wants to hear you. Well, here's the thing. The difference today is we, you're guilty if you keep your mouth shut. Yeah. You have to be actively anti-racist. Silence is violence. Yep. Yeah.

Yeah. That's the inversion. Yeah. In regard to the Jews in particular, everyone knows or should know that the Inquisition does not, in reality, punish any of these, save such as relapse, that is, such as having solemnly adopted the Christian religion, return again to Judaism. That's what this was, it was the same thing with the Muslims. It was the same, yeah, it was the same deal. I mean, from the last letter, I understood that they were offered. leave the country.

You know, you can practice your religion all you want, leave. Yep. And then they said, okay, we'll convert to Christianity. And then what are you saying right here? They go back, you know, they relapse. And like, what do you want? Like, now you're just purposefully subverting the culture that the people in power are trying to create.

Yeah. Yeah. And he go back. There was a time when when people gave their word, they meant something. They understood that there were consequences if they were proven to be lying. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. This was back when reputation was a thing and how your community felt about you, how

trustworthy you were, how respectable you were, met something. And we live in an online age now and reputation doesn't mean a whole lot. The laws are indeed more or less severe against these as well as against the preachers of Judaism. But then the remedy was easy. The Christian or the converted Jew who chose against Judaize were always at full liberty to quit the country. They knew, as did also the Jew who undertook to seduce the Christian, they knew to what they exposed themselves by remaining. no individual has any right to complain of a law which is equally made for all. Yes.

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Like, if that was all they were doing, doing, then this wouldn't be a thing. But there's a whole other bag of tricks that come with that. Men loudly declaim against the tortures employed in the tribunals of the Inquisition, and above all, against the punishment of burning inflicted for the crimes against religion. All the thunders of eloquence and indignation, particularly among the French infidel writers, are directed against these alleged atrocities. I wonder if he's talking about the Jacobins or the Huguenots. The fury of their declamation gives apathos to their philosophy.

However, this vanishes at once if once the subject be, but calmly considered according to the rules of sober and calculating logic. The Inquisitors, it is true, did ordain the infliction of torture for certain crimes against religion. but then they did it in the virtue of the laws of Spain and because it was prescribed by all the tribunals of that nation. It was a punishment adopted anciently by the laws of Greece and Rome, in so much that Athens the School of Liberty ordained it even in regard of its own free citizens. Among modern nations, all these have employed it

in order to discover the truth. I am not going to examine how far all this was, either wise or unwise, or whether in former times, there was not as much reason to employ the instrument of torture as now. In these days, there is every reason to suppress it. Be all this as it may. The case is that, since this punishment was no more attributable to the inquisition than to every other tribunal, so it is unjust to reproach it alone with imputation of cruelty. Let the eloquence of the virulence of Protestant animosity describe all the horrors or depict in every hateful color the real or imaginary torments inflicted by the judges of the Inquisition. All this in fact matters little.

The blame or the odium rests not with the institution itself, but with the policy of the princes who established it. This was less than 200 years from the 30 years war. If the Protestants want to point at the Catholics and accuse them of, you know, wrote violence and torture and all these injustices, I mean, take a look at the 30 years war and tell me if one side or the other was more humane. Like there's, I don't know, like, it's, I'm, I'm trying not to be like, oh, imagine if, imagine if, you know, imagine if the shoe is on the other foot. Right.

But, you know, he's right. Like there's that all of this is pure propaganda, pure religious, religiously motivated, rivalrous propaganda. And that's fine. But, you know, your average lumpen doesn't really realize that. Yeah. And, you know, once again, when you look back on, on situations like this, much like the arguments that you see happening today, the only reason why it isn't restricted to academics and clerics today and politicians is because we have the Internet and people and we have, people have access to centuries, millennia of, information and they can educate themselves about these things and join in the conversation. Back then, I mean, who was arguing over this back then?

Two people spending, waiting two weeks for a response. Yeah. And then what one does is they write a history book and then we start to believe it. Yeah. Yeah. So, all right. And let me, my Lord, just remark here that, according, to the report of the committee of the Cortez. Not only the inquisitors themselves were obliged to attend

at the infliction of the torture, but the bishop also was ordered to assist at the awful ceremony, although his place was usually supplied by his delegate. Now, all this presupposes and implies in this act of rigor, not only a great deal of attention, but all the charity that is allowed to judges. So again, this is him saying this wasn't the Catholic Church. The inquisitors were part of the Catholic Church, but they were following the letter of the law of the Spanish state. Yeah. Yeah, this wasn't, yeah, this wasn't what it was.

The Catholic Church was running rampant over Spain and had total control over Spain. No, the king and the Cortez had control. Yeah, the Catholic Church's interest was to make Spain Catholic, help make Spain Catholic. The Spanish throne's interest was to get rid of their enemies. Yep. And not only this, but as every decree of any moment, even that of a simple arrest could on no occasion be executed without the previous approbation of the Supreme Council. So it is also certain that the preliminary sentence ordaining the application of torture was subject to the same. formality.

Under these circumstances, it cannot but be owned that this punishment was accompanied in the tribunals of the Inquisition with every precaution that the nature of things admitted. They had a pretty rigorous bureaucratic system of checks and balances. That's also what I'm getting from everything he's writing so far as, you know, they've really, they really kind of cared about like making sure they got the right people. Yeah. Yeah, we're going to, we'll talk about like some specific cases. I don't remember if it's in this letter or the next, but there were a couple specific cases that

were pretty, that were, one of them was hilarious. I'm kind of waiting for that. Like, I'm convinced, to my sure, you've convinced me, all right? Should the King of Spain think proper to abolish the punishment of torture in his dominions, as he had been done in France, England, Sardinia, etc., he would no doubt act wisely, and the very first to applaud his conduct would be the inquisitors themselves. But it is unjust and unreasonable to reproach them with a practice which, until lately, had always and everywhere prevailed.

In regard to the punishment of burning, this again, however horrible, was still a universal practice. Without referring to the Roman laws which sanctioned it, we find that all nations pronounced it against such crimes as violated the most sacred laws of religion. Thus throughout Europe, it was the custom to burn for sacrilege, parricide, and high treason. The latter crime was, according to the principles of criminal, jurisprudence then adopted, divided into two parts, divine and human high treason. We need that today, huh? Yeah.

Every great and enormous crime against religion was considered as an act of high treason against God, which, therefore, could not be less severely punished than the offense of high treason against man. And hence the custom of burning... Heresiacs, heresiacs, and obstinate heretics. The fact is that in all ages, there are certain general notions and ideas which possess and draw men after them, and whose wisdom, or once of wisdom, is never so much as called in question. The reproach in such cases should be cast, not upon any individual, but upon the times,

and upon mankind in general. he's appealing to the spirit of the, you know, the spirit of the age at whatever moment. Yeah, yep. Like whatever, what's his zeitgeist? Yeah, this, you know, the punishment of burning is pretty common in this time. And here's, here's why that's okay. I will not enter, lest I should seem to quit my subject upon the great question of crimes and punishments.

I will not examine whether the punishment of death be just. and useful or not, or whether it be wise to increase the severity of punishments according to the atrocity of crimes, and what ought to be limits of this awful and terrific act? These are, all of them, questions foreign to that which I am now discussing. To acquit the inquisition from peculiar reproach or censure, this alone is here sufficient, that its tribunals judged and decided, like all other tribunals everywhere, that they condemn none to death except such as were notoriously guilty and that they never acted but as the authorized instruments of the lawful and written will of the sovereign.

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higher than him. No. You know, whether that's the sovereign as in God or the sovereign as in, you know, the Spanish throne. I, I myself, I've kind of come around to not being a huge fan of capital punishment. I don't get the, I don't get the feeling that he is a huge fan of capital punishment either. Well, yeah, I mean, it's really once at this point, he's already, I guess he's witnessed to French Revolution. Yeah, yeah. And I mean, that wasn't capital punishment.

That was just. Yeah, straight up execution, summary execution. Yeah. All right. Let me see. Crime and Sponshire. There are all these questions. Okay, there we go. It is, however, my opinion that the Heresiarch and the propagators of impiety ought very properly to be ranked in the class of great criminals. What deceives us in these points is the unfortunate circumstance of our judging in these matters under the influence of that indifference with. in these times pervades everything relating to religion, whereas we ought to take as the rule and measure of our judgment the gone by zeal of olden days, which men, if they like, may call fanaticism, the word making no difference in the thing. I think he may be appealing to the talking about the revolution here. In some way, shape, or form, it looks like he may be referring to it.

The modern sophist seated at his ease in his cabinet. Here is not one jot whether the doctrines of Luther were the cause of the 30 years frightful war or not. But the legislators of ancient days, knowing well the consequences and miseries which to propagation of heresy is calculated to produce, and has produced in society, shaking its very foundations and deluging its walks, not unfrequently, with blood, knowing this, they deemed it an act of prudence to punish the crime with severity and rigor. Look what happens when you stop. A new religion takes over, and then they punish the crime, severity and rigor.

Yeah, I think most, you know, anyone who's listening, who's, you know, just absolutely appalled. They're just appalled because religion had anything, you know, had anything to do with us. Yeah. No gods, no masters kind of people who just, you know, have no, have no understanding of what, um, of what these times were like and, um, of, yeah. It's a classic case of applying modern standards to history and then judging them that way. And then, of course, after that, using that for a persuasive argument.

Yeah. All right. It is true. There is no longer now any reason for entertaining the same alarms. And yet, when we reflect that the Inquisition by its restrictions and authority would have prevented the French Revolution. It is hard to say whether the sovereign, who wholly and without reserve, gave us this instrument, would not, in reality, be doing an injury to humanity. Yeah. Yeah.

If you had a way to prevent the worst catastrophe of your life, but it involved violating people's rights, would you do? That's a good question, isn't it? Would you say the N-word to save 10 lives? Say it like 20 times today. I live in Alabama. Just kidding. Saving lives one end word at a time. Just kidding.

The Abadavirac is the first French writer that I know who has spoken with consistency and wisdom on the subject of the Inquisition. but even at that period in 1731 he despaired amid the clamors of ignorance and prejudice of making any favorable impressions in its regard. I am convinced, he says, that if the men who declaim so loudly against the Inquisition considered only the characters of the person to compose it, they would speak of it very differently from what they do. but what is the most to be lamented is the fact that such are the public prejudices, I do not entertain the slenderest hope of engaging my fellow countrymen to believe that the virtues which particularly characterize the inquisitors are circumspection, wisdom, justice, and integrity.

The man who is punished or reprimanded by this tribunal must be either a great criminal or a very weak personage. So in my lulbert, days. I completely empathize with this guy because I knew a lot of, you know, you actually introduced me to a lot of people that, you know, were in the higher rungs than the ladder and were awesome people. And I just, I, I had it in my head that if, if people just knew how, how great these guys were, like, we could win. And unfortunately, that's, that's not the case. Nobody, nobody, looks at the author of, well, maybe we do sometimes, but nobody looks at the author of a,

of a, of a manifesto or, or, I don't know, a leaflet. Like, they, they look at the content and, and if, if you're ideologically opposed to them, then they're going to pick that apart regardless of how, you know, regardless of if they could have a beer with the author. Right. So that's kind of, again, a scales falling from the eyes moment. Like nobody gives a shit about how good of a person you are. Yeah. I mean, and that can only really be done on a personal level anyway.

Absolutely. Oh, yeah. Yeah. All right. In fact, whoever candidly considers the quality of its judges cannot but allow all this. In the first place, nothing can be more upright, more learned, or more incorruptible than the grand tribunals of Spain. And then, if to this general character, we add that of the Catholic priesthood, it is impossible, even without any appeal to experience, not to feel and be convinced

that nothing in the universe can really be more calm and gentle, more impartial and humane than the tribunal of the Inquisition. He makes a lot of assumptions. I mean, maybe it is, maybe that was the case in his time, like the priesthood was looked upon as you know, the lambs. But yeah, that would be a tough sell now. I mean, they've also suffered a lot in the last 30 years. Yeah. Yep.

It was funny. All that surfaced right around the time when a certain group was cut off from the bank of Rome. Oh, well, let's leave that alone. Let's not get into the statistics of the sexual orientation. of a long. Yeah. That's my new favorite thing.

Yeah. Every time somebody says like pedophile priest, I just put gay asterix. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. I mean, most people don't know that the Italian and Irish mothers in the mid-20th century to even to into the 70s and 80s, push what they knew they,

They had a gay son. They pushed them into the priesthood. Yeah. Yep. There was so much systemic, systemic celebration of homosexuality. Like, I think I might have mentioned it on, on a different show of years I was on.

But even in seminary, they did, I forget where I read it, but, and if anybody can pull it up, I'd be grateful. But in seminary, they would do, exposure therapy where they would show a group of seminarians gay porn for hours on end, you know, all together. And that was meant to expose them and discuss them so much that they just couldn't, you know,

they couldn't tolerate it anymore. But it had predictably the opposite results. In this tribunal, which is established indeed to strike and alarm the imagination and which therefore, in order to produce the designed effect, ought necessarily be surrounded with certain severe and mysterious forms. In this tribunal, nevertheless,

the religious principle preserves always its leading and unextinguishable character. Even amid the terrors or threats of punishment, it is still merciful and mild. It is because the priesthood forms a portion of this tribunal that it ought not, that it ought not, does not resemble any other tribunal.

In reality, the very device of its banners, mercy and justice, is such as is unknown to any other tribunal of the universe. Elsewhere in every country, justice alone is the appendage and prerogative of their tribunals. Mercy is the exclusive attribute and property of the sovereign. The judges would even be deemed rebels, did they presume, of themselves, to grant pardons, for this would be abrogating the right,

and privileges of the sovereignty. But let only the priesthood be called in and take place among the judges. They will do this upon the express condition alone that the sovereignty shall concede to them their great prerogative. Mercy. Mercy, therefore, is thus seated alone with justice and even takes the precedence over it, and takes the precedence of it. Presidents of it. you hear those two people screaming.

The accused criminal is at liberty before this tribunal to confess his fault to ask pardon for having committed it and to submit to certain religious expiations. This done, behold, at once, his crime is charged into a sin and his punishment into an easy and simple penance. So this is where I've heard all my life that, you know, you see, it in movies all the time where, you know, confess your sins, confess, confess, confess, confess. And then they beat them and whip them and then they end up forcing a confession. And that was always my take on the inquisition. It was that everybody was beaten into false confessions and then burned.

And that justified, you know, their mad marched through, you know, 300 years of, or is it, no, it's more than that, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, even de Maistre says it, he's like, oh, well, it really started in 1,200. Yeah, 600 years of like just absolutely insane abuse by the Catholic Church.

But it's more like 400. Yeah, it was formalized. And I remember the last letter was. Yeah. He fasts, praise, and mortifies himself. Instead of being dragged to punishment, he recites Psalms, goes to confession, and hears mass. Thus prepared and exercised, he is absolved and restored to his family and to society.

The greatest punishment ever, be a good Catholic. No! I was good. Oh, I can't say that. You mean I have to work? I was going to reference another group that was forced to work and complained about it. If the crime be a. of a very heinous character and the criminal continue obstinate, if he must be condemned to death,

the priest, in this case, retires, and he appears upon the scaffold only to console the unhappy victim. So once again, the priest did not condemn anybody to death. No. It is a singular circumstance that this distinctive character of the Inquisition has been solemnly acknowledged by one of the sedev—what is it? You know that word. C. D. Devon, ministers of the French Republic, Monsieur, Monsieur Borgon. I think that's Borgogne. Borguing, yeah.

Yeah, in his Nouveau voyage and Spain. And it is hard. I'm sorry, guys. I'm good with Spanish and I'm good with a couple of it. I am terrible with French. I apologize. I really do. And it is hardly less singular to observe the manner in which one of the journalists of that period gives an account of the above writer's work. Take, for example, the following extract. Where says the journalist? Quote, is the tribunal in Europe, save that of the Inquisition, that acquits the criminal, provided only that he repents and confesses his repentance? Where is the individual who, maintaining doctrines, subversive both of faith and morality, and proclaiming principles,

destructive of peace and social order, where is the individual who, notwithstanding these offenses, has not been twice admonished of his guilt by the members of the Inquisition before they proceed to any farther act against him? If in spite of their advice, he still persists in his irreligious conduct, he is, in this case, arrested. Air Grid, operator of Ireland's electricity grid is powering up the Northwest. We're planning to upgrade the electricity grid in your area and your input and local knowledge are vital and shaping these plans. Our consultation closes on the 25th of November. Have your say, online or in person. So together we can create a more reliable, sustainable electricity supply for your community.

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and best of all, there are no extra fees or hidden catches. Visit OptionsCard.i.e. today. If he repent, he has set at liberty. Monsieur Bourgoin, whose religious opinions are anything but favorable to religion, speaking of the Holy Office, says, I will own it in order to pay that homage, which is due to truth, that the Inquisition might be cited in these days as the model of equity. This is a singular concession,

but the fact that is Embergon saw nothing in the tribunal of the Inquisition, save what is really, save what it really is, the instrument of the laws for the preservation of peace and order. So not only was the inquisition, did the inquisition that the tribunal have all the legal trappings of every other tribunal known to exist, but it was also the most forgiving and the the most merciful tribunal ever to exist. And like they, like the priest viewed it as a spiritual victory if they got somebody to, like a full restoration of justice, if they got somebody to confess their sins and repent, which that

makes perfect sense to me having, you know, been in the Catholic Church for even just a little while. Yeah. Like when I, when I go to confession, I come out feeling like I, like I, like, I, like, I, like, I was just in the Spanish Inquisition and got out. Oh, I remember going to confession. It wasn't that bad. No, it really is.

Yeah. In regard to those cruel and frightful forms so often reproached and imputed it to this tribunal, it is my misfortune to give little or no credit to them. At all events, I should like to be upon the spot in order to judge them properly. Be the case, however, what it may. If the revolution, which has, of late years, taken place in the habits and opinions of the public, requires certain mitigations in these points, it is in the power of the monarch to ordain them, and to such alteration the inquisitors would lend themselves most willingly.

We know this well. Nothing human can be perfect, and there is no institution but what is attended by some abuse or other. You will, I think, do me the justice to believe that no man is less dispelior. than myself to justify any useless severities. The religious inquisition of Spain was, in my opinion, not unlike the public inquisition of Venice, which reigned over the imaginations of the people by the display of certain terrors composed of little or nothing else than mere fantastic forms and delusions, and which had the happy effect of maintaining order without shedding one single drop of blood.

that's that's the ideal yeah it seems like they kind of unlocked something i don't i don't know why anybody would want to subvert that well it is false moreover even in regard of portugal that any however slender an accusation is looked upon as a sufficient sufficient reason for casting an accused person into prison as it is just equally false that they deny him the heads and motives of the accusations alleged against him or the knowledge of his accusers, false again, that they refused to allow him proper defenders to plead his case, or that the accusers who have culminated him remain unpunished. I know indeed that in Spain the defenders of the accused prisoners had the

freest and most confidential access to them, and that even the judges themselves took particular care to inquire and ascertain whether or not these men had done their duty in this regard. They seem more progressive than, I mean, what we have now. Yeah. Like actual progress. Like they were ahead of their time. Yeah. Again, in relation to Portugal, it is a fact that the tribunal of its inquisition never pronounces any sentence respecting.

the temporal punishment. It simply declares that the criminal is guilty of the crimes imputed to him. It then leaves it to the civil judges to decide what punishments they may think proper to inflict, precisely in the same way as it is done in Spain. As for all confiscations, these all go to the prophet of the king. The diocesan bishops have also the right to take cognizance of any crime, along with the inquisitors of the tribunal. If even 50% of the things he says are true, then that is already the greatest system of justice I've ever heard of. Like the greatest judicial system I have ever seen.

If even half of that's real. Yeah. I mean, when you, you know how many people have read, like, Democracy of the God that failed and seeing the argument that, that monarchy is preferable to democracy, lower time preference and all. And a lot of people can't get,

a lot of people just don't go as far as Hapa into anarcho-capitalism, which he argues for in the book after he explains everything. But when you look at this, I mean, would you, I mean, I'm sure there are some, people who would say they would rather live under what we're living under now than live

under this but i would rather live under this it's just it's it's just makes more sense to me it's it's it's going to bring about order yeah a narco tyranny is not going to exist when you um when you have a king that is you know seeking to pass down to you know his progeny you know what he possessed The idea of repentance, if you kind of juxtapose that into the system that we have now with our current criminal justice system, what's the recidivism rate for violent criminals? I mean, it's, it's insane. It's insane. Yeah. Like, because we, we're on, we have no concept of, are you actually repentant of your crimes?

I mean, I, I know that's a question they ask usually after a sentence is passed. Um, or, or right before, but like to have it actually means something and, and for them to be able to discern whether, whether the accused actually means it. that's just that's a level of human connection that I don't think can exist now like civilization is just I don't know evolve past that unfortunately yeah man yeah all right besides all this I ought still farther to observe to you that in regard to the more or less severe forms of justice there has never existed anywhere so much as one enlightened nation which, from time to time, and for great and urgent motives, has not instituted certain extraordinary tribunals divested almost wholly of the usual forms of justice. Thus I will cite to you, as an example, the ancient provostal order of justice of the French.

It was the will or whim of the kings of France that all the great public roads should be everywhere completely safe for travelers. Early libertarian work here. Every traveler was placed directly under their special protection and the slenderest attempt upon his person or his safety was looked upon as a kind of high treason, which the law punished with the utmost severity and with the rapidity of lightning.

The poor wretch who had robbed a traveler upon the high road, although it was but of a few of a few livers i can't remember how that's pronounced levers was seized by the marchese delivered over to the be judged by the grand provo and two excessors and in the course of 24 hours broken alive upon the rack and all this too under the eyes of parliament which never interfered because not allowed to do so in the business that just completely destroys an episode of that I, I released earlier. Oh.

Yeah. Because, I mean, I, I guess I should have just kept it to like iron, Iron Maiden's like, you know, the Iron Maiden was never used as a, as a torture device. It was something invented for 19th century, like freak shows and circuses and stuff like that. But I guess somebody, I mean, maybe people were, Iraq was used, but it's hard to find evidence of them.

That is, I mean, that's, I think that's fucking awesome. Like, these roads are basically, they belong to the king. And if you fuck with anybody on them, like, not only are you getting executed, but it's going to be very painful. I wonder what that did for the crime rate. Like, something tells me that, On the many nights of Christmas, the Guinness Storehouse brings to thee, Christmas nights at Gravity.

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Yeah. And then the pendulum swung the other way, and now you're getting the fucking rack. Needed that in Russia and its territories in the late 1800s, and maybe Stalin wouldn't have made it anywhere. Yeah. It is no doubt, true that the jurisprudence was severe. but then it was completely at the option of every Frenchman whether or not to rob upon the high roads. The will of the king was that the public road travel, that the public road should travel upon them,

the public should travel upon them in perfect security and even sleep upon them with impunity. Men have each their own peculiar notions and ideas. From what I have already said, you cannot, my lord, but be sensible how, many errors and injustices are modern sophists have placed to the account of the inquisition. They represented as a tribunal purely ecclesiastical, whereas I have shown you by the most incontestable authorities that it is nothing of the nature. They boldly assert that the priests in this institution condemn men to death, and this, too, even for simple opinions. And I have convinced you that this is false. They maintain that the Inquisition is the artful invention of the Popes, whereas referring to history, you have seen that the institution was conceded by the popes only at the urgent solicitation of sovereigns and often with much reluctance, at least in relation to those inflections which appeared to them too severe.

They have contended that the Inquisition enslaves a human mind and that the writers of Spain all disappeared the instant it was introduced. whereas what is the fact? The brightest age of Spanish literature is the very age of Philip the second. The prince most loudly accused of being the great promoter of the Inquisition. Moreover, it is likewise true that the writers who have principally distinguished Spain all printed and published their works with the express permission of the Holy Office. Mathematics, astronomy, chemistry, all the natural sciences, philogy, Philology.

Philology? Is that like touching faces? Philology, history, antiquity, etc. All these are fields in which the human mind may range without control and without any of the slenderest opposition of the right Reverend Father, the Grand Inquisitor. It surely is not enslaving the human mind merely to ordain and require that a set of profane and impious writers shall not insult religion. and revile the dogmas of the state.

See, we have all of that right now, except for the good parts. You can replace mathematics and philology with, you know. Yeah. Here's how to chop your dick off and keep an open wound from closing. Try to keep maggots out of it. Yeah. Yeah, that was, uh,

it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, kind of repetitive from the first letter, but yeah, I like how he went into a little more detail about the, uh, just how fucking awesome that, that whole, uh, the whole process was. Wow. You know, it's, I think it's taken as a given by most people that justice in times as such would be, you know, just, uh, oh, that person's guilty, just chopped their head off, chopped their hands off, did everything.

And to actually create something as such. And I would have to believe that they would, in wanting the church to be the inquisitors, to be the investigators, they were hoping that they were finding the most moral men to do it. Yeah, which at the time they were, yeah. Yeah.

From the, from the propaganda standpoint, it's, and even for me, it's easy to assume that people, the people in charge of the justice system take joy in punishing people, punishing people arbitrarily. And, you know, a standpoint that's never considered is, you know, what if people don't take joy in executing people or hurting people? Like, what if you had a system where people actually look for reasons to be merciful and reasons to forgive and reasons to, you know, rehabilitate? Employers, did you know, you can now reward you and your staff with up to 1,500

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your community. Find out more at airgrid.i.4 slash Northwest. And that's a pie in the sky fantasy right now because we we don't have a culture that that can withstand that. We're seeing that right now with, you know, the decarceration movements and just, you know, you can, goes back to what we all know is you can only have that kind of system in a culture that is united. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's, I forget what rapper said it in the 90s.

He said, you can't have justice on stolen land. You can't have justice in a multi, multicultural society. Yeah. Yeah. Everything's about gaining power for your, for your end. Yeah. I mean, every land is stolen. Every land is stolen from someone else.

So it's retarded. But you can't have justice in a multicultural society. It just, it's impossible. Yeah, with 100 competing power groups. And, you know, like your guest said on your last episode, the system is remarkably resilient. The fact that, you know, we're seeing it slip right now, but who knows how long this inquisition is going to last.

It could very well be for 600 years. Like, I mean, it's a crapshoot right now. Yeah. There's no mercy. no mercy associated with it whatsoever. No, no. And it's horrific in its nature. It's anti-human and it's nature. That's the difference.

As much as I can extrapolate parallels between the Spanish Inquisition and what our side's going through right now, the difference is where are the good guys being being inquired. All right. Well, we'll check out.

I'll look at the next letter and see how that, see how much difference we have in that. Yeah. Try to reduce overlap on the next one that we read. And we'll go from there. Hey, you were on an episode this week of Timeline Earth. That was crazy, man. Yeah, I made my triumph in return, you know, to fulfill my minimum obligation. which is all I really try to do.

Yeah, I should be good for next Wednesday too, but who the fuck knows? Let me take a jab and jab at pause. You show up more than pause does. Oh. Yeah, but when he shows up. Love you, pause.

Love you. When he shows up, it's like 12 of my, 12 of me showing up. All right, man. You have a good night. Thanks. Yeah, have a go, man.

I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekingones show. I think three episodes is enough. We're going to finish us up. How are you doing, Aaron? Hey, how's it going, man? Doing good, man. Doing good. So what we are going to do today is the book we've been going through on the Spanish

Inquisition by Joseph de Maestra is, has five letters in it. We've read one and two. One was very long. Two is short. We're going to read four to finish it off. But we're, and four is very short, actually. So we're going to have some discussion time about everything that we've read. But we want to start off by reading a section out of letter three that I think is interesting

because it references a specific case where a criminal was charged and sentenced to a punishment. and it talks about how the punishment was carried out, and it's rather interesting. So anything you want to say before we start? No, let's get right into it. All right. Let's do this. All right.

So this is in the middle of letter three. If you go up here a little bit, he talks about how somebody had said, oh, there's this scaffold. There's an edifice designed. this a scaffold for the burning of heretics. And he goes, there's such an edifice designed to such a purpose would, of course,

burn itself as the first experiment, you know? But, yeah, so all this preposterous stuff. But he says, there's a Mr. Townsend. He says, but I will cite to you another example of Mr. Townsend's abhorrence and reprobation of the Inquisition. It is the account of a very frightful auto da fey, which took place a little while before his reverence arrived in Spain.

I just thought of a joke about that. Which fuel doesn't melt wood beams? Uh-oh. He says, a beggar tells us, named Ignacio Rodriguez, was condemned by the tribunal of the Inquisition for having distributed certain love potions of a very indecent nature, and of having in the administration of the infamous remedy pronounced certain words of necromancy. Old gluteu?

Or is this the original Spanish fly? That could very well be it. It was, moreover, proved that he had administered the disgusting dose to all ranks of persons. Rodriguez had two accomplices in his crimes who were equally condemned as he was, their names Juliana Lopez and Angela Barrios. One of these imploring the judges to spare her life, they told her that it was not the practice of the Holy Office to condemn anyone to death.

Rodriguez was condemned to be led through the streets of Madrid, mounted on an ass, and to be whipped. They likewise imposed upon him certain practices of religion and to be banished from the Capitol for five years. All right. Yeah. The reading of the sentence was frequently interrupted by peals of laughter in which the beggar himself joined. It's probably an interesting trial.

Accordingly, the criminal was led through the streets, but not whipped. On the way and during the procession, the people offered him wine and biscuits, cruel creatures, to refresh him. Such as the narrative given by Mr. Townsend, says, now I do think that nothing can be more lenient and humane than all this process. If here the tribunal deserves any reproach, it is for the excess of its indulgence. For, if we only consider the words of the traveler, we find that the ingredients employed by Rodriguez were such as would in any other country had condemned him to the pillory, to the galleys, or even to the gallows.

However, all this does not satisfy Mr. Townsend, the crime. crime, he remarks, was far below the dignity of the tribunal, and that would have been much better to have punished the miserable wretching secret by the vilest minister of justice. Yeah. It seems like they got in a little deeper than they wanted to. Yeah. All right. That's a PR nightmare.

Yeah. Yeah. It's like, you have to imagine these priests and these Dominicans just there. like, really? Yeah. Really? Spanish lie, huh? Great.

Yeah, this is great. We got to listen to this. Yeah. All right. Let us read the fourth letter in its entirety and bring this to a halt and bring this to a close. Yes. All right. In the natural sciences, there is always question of mean quantities.

Thus, we speak of the mean distance, the mean movement, the mean duration, et cetera. It would be well if the same notion were applied also to politics and that men would feel and be convinced that the best institutions are not those which present the greatest degree of possible happiness as such or such a given period, but those which ensure the greatest sum or measure of possible happiness to the greatest number of possible generations. this and I think to point quite and I think the point quite evident is mean happiness. All right. Yeah. Yeah, I guess. You know, the state's job isn't to make everybody happy. It's to create the conditions so that the vast majority of people can become happy.

Yeah. Sure. De Maestro. and characteristically inserting a little classical liberalism in here. Yeah, yeah. Happens to the best of us. Upon this principle, I should be curious and should like to know what the bitterest enemy of the Inquisition would reply to the Spaniard, who, passing over what I have just said,

should undertake to defend it in terms like the following. Sir, he says to the supposed accuser, you are my option. you are short-sighted and see but a single object. Our legislators look down from an eminence and saw the great hole. At the opening of the 16th century, they beheld Europe, as it were, in flames. In order to secure themselves from the general conflagration, they employed the Inquisition, which is the political instrument they made use of, both to preserve the unity of faith and to prevent the war of the wars of religion.

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You have done nothing like this, but now trace and remark the result. I appeal but to experience for experiences the best criterion to direct men's judgment. Yeah, I mean, when you look at what the Reformation

eventually led to for the vast majority of Europe, especially the 30 years war, you know, if you were on the outside looking in, on that, you would have to ask yourself, okay, how do I have this not happen in my country? Like, the 30 years war devastated Europe. Like per capita, it was the per capita.

It was one of the most devastating wars in Europe in terms of like just the destruction of productive capacity. I mean, it changed the landscape. And I don't blame countries like Spain that kind of escaped it from, you know, in the in the 16th or 17th and 18th centuries being like, let's make sure that that never, and anything like that ever happens to us. Yeah.

And as Thomas has pointed out, Machiavelli wrote about how, you know, a hundred years before the 30 years war, 100 years before the Treaty of Westphalia, Spain was a state, was a true, Westphalian was a true state.

And that's the reason they were able to accomplish so much while everybody else was just squabland. So from my understanding, it was kind of a proto-Westphalian state because even though the monarch did represent national sovereignty, or how do I want to phrase this? the monarch was understood and articulated as the national sovereign of Spain, whereas every other country, it was just, you know, the dukes, the counts, the whatever, the barons that held sovereignty, but within the context of feudalism. Behold, then, the 30 years war, and kindled by the doctrines of Luther, look at the unheard of excesses of the Anabaptists, the Civil Wars of France, of England, and of Holland, consider the massacres of the St. Bartholomew, of Merindal, and the Savinz.

The murder of Queen Mary Stewart, that of Henry III, of Henry IV, of Charles I, of the Prince of Orange, etc. A ship might float in the ocean of blood which your innovators have shed. The Inquisition would have punished only those disturbers of the public peace and order. it ill becomes you ignorant and presumptuous as you are, you who had foreseen nothing and have deluged Europe in blood. It will be, it ill becomes you to blame our monarchs who had foreseen everything and secured their kingdom from devastation. This is a very interesting approach he's taken in something that, I mean, I, it makes me empathize even more with the Spanish monies. honor with Ferdinand the seventh. And I guess his predecessors, too, like just what can we do to insulate ourselves from the

conditions that led to all these religious-based civil wars and sectarian violence? Like, yeah, I guess I would too. Like, if, you know, if we have to institute the inquisition, even at its most, most ill-willed, lying propagandistic description. Like, it's still better than what was going on in other countries. Yeah.

100%. All right. Don't tell me that the Inquisition has produced such and such abuses at such and such a time. This is not the question. The question is to know whether during the last three centuries there has been, by virtue of the Inquisition,

a greater enjoyment of peace and happiness in Spain than in the other nations of Europe. To sacrifice present generations to the problematic happiness of future generations, this may be a calculation of a philosopher, but it is not that of an enlightened legislator. Yeah, he's right. He's making the utilitarian argument, which, I mean, he's right. But if this observation, but if this observation does, but if this observation do not suffice to convince you,

I will then appeal to what we have witnessed during the late conflicts with the gigantic power of France, wielded by the greatest of all modern conquerors and heroes. It was the Inquisition which then, far beyond any other instrument, save Spain and immortalized it. It preserved and kept alive that public spirit, that faith, that faith, that religious patriotism, which produced. those wonders which we have all witnessed, and which it may be by saving Spain, saved Europe itself from tyranny and oppression.

From the summits of the Pyrenees, the Inquisition frightened away that profane philosophy which had, it is true, its good reasons for hating the Inquisition. Its eye was always open, watching the dangerous works, which, like so many dreadful avalanches, fell down from the mountains. And although unhappily, too many of these poisonous instruments did escape its vigilance and serve to seduce and corrupt a considerable number of individuals, still the great body of the people remained faithful and unimpaired. It was the Inquisition alone that could restore, and that actually far beyond any other

aid did restore, such was the noble ardor, which it inspired the monarch to his throne. Is he talking about Ferdinand the 7th? At this point, I would, yeah, Ferdinand the 7th was a monarch in 1814. Yeah. After the Peninsular War, they did the Constitution of 1812, which was a bunch of liberal reforms. And then Ferdinand the 7th was restored and basically did away with it.

And then there was some type of uprising where they brought it back from like 1820 to 1820. to 1823. And then, yeah, and then after Ferdinand the 7th died in like the 1830s, Isabella pretty much did away with the Inquisition. Yeah. And then they had the first Carless War. The first Carless War. And yeah, I mean, it just.

What a fucking mess. What a mess of a country. It was, I mean, during the 1800s, it was just one violent conflict. Oh, yeah. It was like you have all this peacetime with a strong monarch of the Inquisition. And then it's like it had to make up for a lost time in the 1800s. And then as we were talking about before we went live, Marxism gets introduced to the mix.

And what a fertile ground that was for that to take hold. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Far more so than, I mean, infinitely more so than the Soviet than Russia was, even in 1917. Yeah, it's like similar, similar conditions to Russia. They were both like backwards. Like just industrially not there. Not a whole lot of, or I should say a whole lot of looping proletariat's around.

Just not really giving a shit. But yeah, I mean, I guess it was just ripe for both right wing and left wing revolutions, Marxist and fascist and monarchist. For my part, I do not see what reasonable reply could well be made to these striking observations. What here, however, is extraordinary, and I believe very little known, is the complete apology for the Inquisition made by Voltaire himself, and which I will lay before you as a remarkable monument of that good sense, which sees and admits facts, and at the same time of that prejudice, which is blind to their causes, many such cases. Well. During the 16th and 17th centuries, says Voltaire, there were not, in Spain, any of those sanguinary

revolutions, of those conspiracies, of those cruelties, which were so common in the other nations of Europe. Neither the Duke of Lerma nor the Count, nor the Count Olivaris ever shed the blood. of their enemies upon the scaffold. Kings were never assassinated there. Neither did any of them perish there, as they did in England, by the hand of the executioner. In short, were it not for the horrors of the Inquisition, there was nothing then wherewith Spain could be reproached.

Yeah. Huh. Man, the only mistakes Spain made was the Inquisition, which also happened to insulate themselves from the horrors he just mentioned. Oh, man. It's like he can't, can't really draw the connection, I guess, or maybe he can and he just doesn't want him because it's like Fulteer. It's like the connection of why economic theory aside, Sweden could start having this gigantic, like, welfare state in the 50s and 60s. And no one in the country is, you know, very few people in the country are complaining about it.

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it's the only thing we could hit them on. Otherwise, they're great. No, no blindness, surely, can be well greater than this. Without the horrors of the inquisition, there would be no room to, cast any approach on Spain, which only by the power and influences of the Inquisition, escape those horrors which disgraced every other nation.

Thus, and I rejoice at the circumstance, thus does genius chastise itself, condemned to descend to the lowest absurdity, even to the most pitiful nonsense, as a just punishment for having prostituted itself to the defense of error. All right. Well, he said what we said only much more eloquently, I guess. Very much so. Many such cases again. Yep.

I am less gratified with the natural superiority of men's talents than with their nullity whenever they forget their proper destination. Yeah. That's a good line. It's a really good line. Know your place, bitch. After witnessing all the horrors which have disgraced and afflicted Europe, how or with what face can men reproach Spain for having possessed an institution which would effectually have prevented them all? The holy office with but 60 sentences or trials in a century would have saved us the frightful spectacle of those heaps of human bodies, mountain high as the Alps, and sufficient to stop the course of the Rhine and the Po.

So he already, in the first, in the first couple episodes, like what we gathered was that the Spanish Inquisition was fairly minimalist. It was not like a just a mass tirade of executing people left and right, that it was actually pretty minimalist, pretty organized, pretty, pretty orderly and regulated. And like putting numbers to that 60. cases in a century. And that's all it took to insulate themselves from again, like the religious stripe that every other country was like bathed in. I mean, I don't know. Yeah.

And something that I think Thomas said in the first episode of the Spanish Civil War series was in the span of four to five centuries, um, their report three to six. thousand people were put to death in Spain after going before the Inquisition and then having the state hand down a sentence of death, whereas in the first like six months of the Spanish Civil War, 3,000 priests and nuns were killed. Yeah.

Were murdered. Yeah. It's like, let's let's let's balance this out. Yeah. all right but of all Europeans the French considering the calamities which they have brought upon them the world and the still more dreadful evils which they brought upon themselves and still do the French are beyond all dispute the most unpardonable critics of the inquisition ridiculing Spain as some of their writers do for the very wisdom of the institutions which alone had so long presumed it. Oh, man. If he gives us some numbers on the reign of terror versus the entire Spanish Inquisition. Man, let us do justice to this illustrious nation. She is one of the few

nations that never became an accomplice of the French Revolution. She did indeed, at length, become its victim. But the blood of 400,000 strangers sufficiently avenged her cause, and the Spaniard again resumed his ancient maxims. All right. There it is. Now, is he talking about 400,000 French casualties? Yeah, that has to be my assumption. Yeah, or that could be Napoleonic War casualty.

Either way. It's probably no contact. 3,000 for the Spanish Inquisition. Let's bring that back. Yeah. The Committee of the Cortez, whom I have cited already, were fully sensible of the force of the argument in favor of the Inquisition, which results from the consideration of the evidence that its tribunal prevented the introduction of innumerable evils into the country.

In order, however, to elude this powerful attestation, the reporter of the said committee has ingeniously found out an expeditious and conveniently, an inconvenient expedient, which is at once to deny the influence of the inquisition. On the many nights of Christmas, the Guinness Storehouse brings to thee Christmas nights at gravity. This Christmas, enjoy a truly unique night out at the Gravity Bar. Savour festive bites from Big Fan Bell, expertly crafted seasonal cocktails, and dance the night away with DJs from Love Tempo. Brett take infuse, amazing atmosphere, incredible food and drink. My goodness, it's Christmas at the Guinness Storehouse.

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It is not the inquisition that we are indebted. It is not to the inquisition that we are indebted for this happiness. Oh, he's saying that if the bishops had just maintained their original authority that this all could have been avoided? It looks like he's saying that the authority of the bishops had this only been preserved, would have sufficed to defend Spain against the latest SACs. It is not to the Inquisition that we are indebted for this happiness. I don't know about that. I mean, maybe in like the early church days where you had like Arias and all them getting slapped down by ecumenical councils. But I mean, when you're talking about the reformation,

I don't know if like the, I really don't know what the structure was in Spain at the time, but it wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't strong enough to kind of beat down, you know, whatever sex of Protestantism would have arose in Spain, and the inquisition not been in place. Now, sir, only remark how little prejudice and passion pay attention to what they say. You have seen already in my preceding letter, the second, that the bishops, so far from complaining of the inquisitors, considered them on the contrary as their faithful allies in the preservation of the purity of faith. But conceding everything to the committee, that it may itself refute itself,

if the ordinary authority of the bishops was alone sufficient to repel error and to secure Spain from the intrusions of heresy, how comes it that this same authority usurped by the Inquisition and, moreover, increased and improved by a multitude of important reforms, how comes it, or how imagine, that this said institution had been of no use to Spain? The fact is, yeah. The fact is certain and notorious that our modern heresiacs could never set foot in Spain. surely then something must have sufficed to prevent their intrusion. Maybe that's the answer to my question. The original authority of the bishops didn't extend to not letting heretics physically enter the country, whereas the Inquisition did. It was not the power of the bishops since the Inquisition had deprived them of it.

Neither according to the Committee of the Cortez was it the Inquisition itself. again, it was not to the civil tribunals, nor to the governors of provinces, et cetera, that the above benefits are to be attributed because the Inquisition possessed the exclusive jurisdiction in all matters relating to religion. Therefore, once more, since something or other did suffice, what was that all-sufficient instrument?

If the committee did not see this, the sole reason must have been that they shut their eyes and would not see it. Yeah, he's leading, leading the question, but in a good way. Like, come on, you idiot. But I defy any man who has eyes and is willing to see not to be convinced that since every European nation, Spain alone and certain states, which had more or less adopted the jurisdiction and forms of the Inquisition expected, it is consequently but just and

reasonable to attribute the preservation and peace of Spain to the power and influence and to the power and influence alone of the Inquisition above all, since no other cause can be assigned. Suppose, for example, that in the 14th century, one single nation had alone escaped the dreadful pestilence, which then desolated Europe. If this fortunate country hereafter boasted that it possessed a system of prophylactics, A remedy announced and prepared for the salutary effect, a remedy long and constantly made use of, and whose healthy and preservative ingredients it was willing to make known, it surely would in such case be utterly unreasonable to tell such nation that it owed nothing to the boasted remedy and that other remedies would have equally sufficed for the same purpose, whereas all other remedies neither had nor would have anywhere sufficed, save in this one nation

I love the implicit comparison of Protestantism and Judaism and Islam to the bubonic plague I love it I am fucking rock hard right now I was waiting for that not for you to get rock hard for you to say

well maybe I don't know. In making this apology for the Inquisition, I should pass over an important circumstance if I did not request you to remark the influence of this institution upon the Spanish character. If this nation so long preserved its maxims, its unity of faith, its public spirit, it was solely to the Inquisition and that it owed these benefits. for only look at that miserable host of men who have been formed in the schools of modern philosophy. What did these men do for Spain? Evil and nothing else but evil. They alone called in or promoted tyranny.

They alone, instead of rousing a noble resistance and a spirit of unshaken fidelity, preached only those half measures which had well-nigh ruined the nation, obedience to the empire of circumstances, timidity, weakness, delays, concessions, etc. Yeah. That one goes out to you, Voltaire. If Spain be ever destined to perish, it is these or such men as these that will prove the authors of her ruin. That was so prophetic.

Liberals. So prophetic. Yeah. He's talking about liberals. There are indeed multitudes of superficial men who believe. and have contended that in her late struggles, she was saved by the Cortez, whereas she was saved directly in spite of the Cortez. It was the people that did everything.

There were, it may be, among the enemies of the Inquisition and among the partisans of philosophy, a few individuals, true Spaniards, who were capable of laying down their lives for their country. But what could these men have done without the people? and in their turn, what could or would the people have done had they not led, had they not been led on by their national ideas and animated above all by what men now call superstition? Yeah. He's, he's preaching. Yeah, he's like hammering at home. Yeah.

But, uh, it's like, all right, get to your next point. I'm convinced. I was convinced five paragraphs ago. If you wish to extinguish that enthusiasm, which inspires great thoughts and impels to noble enterprises, if you wish to render men's hearts cold and unfeeling, it's a substitute egotism in the room of generous and ardent patriotism. If you wish to do this, only take away from the people their faith and make them philosophers. It's the best fucking line in the whole book.

Let me frame that. I'm going to frame that and put that on my wall. That's the best line in the whole book. Yeah, there really is. So true. So true. Oh, man. All right.

There is not in Europe, one single nation or one body of people so little known or so much caluminated as the Spaniards. Spanish superstition has become a proverb. And yet nothing is more groundless. The higher orders of the nation are as well educated and as enlightened as we are. And who was in charge of their education? The Catholic Church. In regard to the lower classes, it may be, for example, in relation to the veneration paid to the saints and rather to their images, it may be that they sometimes and here and there exceed the measure of wise devotion.

But as here the dogma itself is neither violated nor denied. So the trifling abuses prevailing amongst a certain portion of the ignorant and the simple, matter very little in these regards. Nay, they are not even as I could easily show you without their advantages. He's talking about like, is he saying that they might be a little bit iconoclastic? There we go. Is it maybe a person? Yeah, yeah.

Or I guess their critics might be a little iconoclastic, I should say. Yeah. Usually a Protestant critique of any Catholic nation is, you know, you worship statues and Mary, I guess. Yeah. But at all events, that is true, that the Spaniard has less prejudice and fewer superstitions than those very people who laugh at him without ever having reflected upon themselves. Yes, you know, I dare say, a number of respectable individuals in the first rank of society who sincerely and firmly believe in amulets, apparition, sympathetic remedies, dreams, fortune tellers, and many such like fooleries. On the many nights of Christmas, the Guinness Storehouse brings to thee Christmas nights at gravity.

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visit drinkaware.com. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, he's writing this in the early 1800s. They were, I mean, they still had an empire. You know, and I'm sure, like, I guess who imported from who, those superstitions? Because, you know, you go to Latin America and I,

Now, if you wanted to make fun of them for being superstitious, I totally get it. I don't know enough about European Spaniards to make any judgment on like if they're in any way comparable to your average Spanish-descended Latin American. They're very different people. Yeah, yeah. All you have to do is go to Puerto Rico and you can tell the people who are descended from Spain and the people who are. who are the taina who are native to the, quote-unquote, native to the island. Yeah. There's a big difference.

You have seen persons refuse to sit at the table where, unfortunately, the number of the uninvited guests was 12. That's awesome. I'm going to start doing that. Let me read that again. That's pretty good. You have seen persons refuse to sit at a table where, unfortunately, the number of the invited guests was 12, who would change color if.

an unlucky waiter chanced profanely to overturn the salt seller who, upon no consideration whatsoever, would set out on a journey on such and such a day, etc. Well, sir, go into Spain. There you will be surprised to meet

with none of these silly and humiliating superstitions. The reason is that as real religious principle is essentially opposed to all such empty fancies and beliefs, so wheresoever it prevails, it is sure, always to despise and disregard them.

I wish you would name the people that had those superstitions that he just mentioned. Like, I guarantee it's the English. Like, I've heard like spill in the salt is bad luck. And I think that's a pretty well-known one. But like the number of guests being 12, that has to be like an old Anglo-Saxon fucking superstition. That wouldn't be shocking at all. Yeah. Humiliated. The reason is that as real religious principle is essentially opposed to all such empty fancies and beliefs, so wheresoever it prevails, it is sure always to despise and disregard them. At the same time, it is also true that the contempt of such follies is founded more or less upon the national good sense of the Spaniard.

Okay. Yeah. All right. Yeah, you give it. Allow it. But after all, there is no mercy for Spain. Not only do the English writers in particular incessantly invade against the Inquisition, but even its ministers declared in Parliament, this was in the year 1814, that they had done everything in their power by the way of remonstrances and representations to oppose the shameful measures of the Spanish authorities and above all the reestablishment of the detestable

Inquisition. Yep. That is so British. That is such a British sentence right there. It's just, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, what were they doing at 1814? Weren't they across the ocean doing something stupid?

I wonder how many sailors the Spanish impressed. Now, for my own part, and I will say it with all the sincerity of my feelings, and after reflecting upon what I have written upon the subject for my own part, I cannot discover what there is so detestable in the famous inquisition. However, an accusation so solemn as the above and made in so honorable an assembly calls upon me to devote it to a few particular observations. I hope, therefore, in the succeeding letter, to convince your lordship that, amid all the nations of Europe, the English have the least right to reproach Spain

with its inquisition. I can't wait. The EQ. You will read. And that's the ending of the fourth letter. Oh, damn it. Well, I mean,

part of this is, I got Mike from Imperium Press to, to give the okay on doing this. And part of this is to get people to go to Imperial Press and see the incredible, the incredible literature they're putting out, especially this one. This is a quick read. you could read all the letters in an afternoon.

The notes are really good, too. So, yeah, we didn't read any of the notes, but there are some notes in there that are good explainers. But, yeah, the, this letter particularly hit me hard because of the way he just went after the philosopher of the day. Yeah, yep. The justification just based on body count alone when you compare it to other European countries, that was, yeah, that got me. My co-host.

Always does that. Always does that. Always has to make an appearance. But the, yeah, think about it. Like, in how many other instances have there been in history, like, from. A country that's been maligned, you know, from the, from the spirit of the day, they just happen to be the country that's behind the times on whatever insane things going on and is maligned and is constantly invoked as tyrannical and evil and repressive. When if you compare them to other countries, you know, aren't by whatever metric, they're not, they, the,

Whatever they, whatever evil they've done, they've probably spared themselves compared to other countries. Well, you know, and transition. Really what happens here is if you want to take, I mean, I know Demmeistris says that the, he considers the Inquisitions to have started in the 1,200s, but really you're talking about 1492ish, you know, the 1490s. Well, I mean, Conquista. What starts happening 25 years later? The Protestant revolt. Yeah.

And what do you get? You get all of these writings and these, these screeds and books written against the Catholic Church. Oh, yeah. And the easiest thing to do would be to point the finger at a country that, these people didn't go to. I mean, they didn't, you know, they didn't visit. They just heard stories.

Yeah. And, you know, there was no internet. You know, there was, no carrier pigeon, probably. Yeah. They're hearing the stories from the people that got kicked out.

Yeah. Oh, it was awful. Yeah. And they took all my shackles. And unfortunately, um, You know, when you're, when you feel like when you've just revolted against something, you're going to do everything. You know, a lot of times you're going to do everything you can, especially in this case, because there were persecutions.

And I'm not going to say, I'm not going to accuse anybody of making stuff up. Not going to accuse anybody of lying. No. But I will say that it is when at a time when conspiracy theories were, I mean, they were everywhere. I mean, conspiracy theories started the Revolutionary War in this country. Yeah. It's without a doubt. I mean, that's been proven over and over again.

When can, when you just have all these stories about what's coming out of a nation that is probably the most at that time, the most connected to Rome to the Vatican. Well, they become an easy target at that point. Oh, yeah, absolutely. And the entirety of the rest of Europe was embroiled. And, you know, in the 16th century,

you had the Reformation and then, you know, war after war, after war. And then when that kind of settled down, you had the Enlightenment, which also made an enemy out of Spain. Like, you know, they didn't stand a chance. And yet they managed for, I mean, up until the 1800s to kind of insulate themselves from the consequences of both of those, those ages. Yeah.

Yeah. While everybody else was, I mean, there was, you know, in the later half of the century and the, I guess the mid to the later half of the century when, you know, we had the war here. And there were some wars happening. But it was almost like the old kind of wars where they were localized. And, um,

but Spain is having like revolutions after, I mean, just one after another. Yeah. And it's just internal. turmoil and then you throw when you heap Marxism being created onto it and many people in in Spain very open to it who have I mean I'm immediately almost immediately upon a hearing it become anarchists start calling themselves anarchists I mean you're just you're going off cliff. Yeah, I mean

you also lose your world empire, you lose your you lose land to the to America. Yeah. And yeah. The Napoleonic Wars just fucked everything. Like it was

if you were a country in Europe after the Napoleonic Wars, you either successfully restored your monarchy and reacted against all these bourgeois revolutions. by consolidating your power or you didn't

you ended up not reacting enough and then becoming like just a a fucking a war-torn hellhole between competing ideologies many such cases yeah yep it kind of begs the question like

where are we at as far as competing ideologies go I mean if we can glean and I know that like history doesn't actually repeat itself everything's unique but like is there anything we can glean from just the history of Spain or anything to apply to today? When I think of Spain in the 1800s and how maligned it was, I think of Russia today.

And like has Russia done anything to insulate itself after the fall of the Soviet Union from, you know, the effects of Pax Americana? Well, one of the things that I see and some people have commented to me is that the way the United States is right now could very well, doesn't mirror perfectly, but definitely mirrors Spain in the early 1930s. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's a chance, though, I mean, there's a chance, though, I mean, on my most black-pilled moments, I would probably say it could also mirror Spain and the 1550s. At the apex of its power, like the monarchies consolidated and we got a little while before anything pops off. Yeah, well, I mean, it's, you know, I was just writing on this today. where it's just the worst thing about what we're going through now is just the fact that rage porn.

Yeah. You just open any social media app and it's rage porn. You can open any browser and you have rage porn right on the front. And it is, yeah, I have people contact me all the time and they're just like, I don't know what to do. It's just like, I mean, you know, and I just say, you got a family to take care of. Yeah.

That's what you should be concentrating on right now. And even that approach, I guess, that you're trying to wake, you're trying to make people conscious of what their interests are. And I think that, I mean, I completely agree, no matter who you are, if you're looking at the world and falling into despair or getting angry, Um, if you want to, if you want to immerse yourself in some type of consciousness, like race or class or whatever, uh, no matter what, like taking care of your family, getting involved in your community. And, um, you know, just insulating yourself from the rest of the world. You can get as mad about it as you want. But, uh, you know, that's, that's, that's, that's your obligation. your primary obligation, no matter what, where you find yourself being drawn to ideologically.

Because ideology doesn't exist in reality, but your family does. Yeah. And your community does. I mean, I know Alabama is a, you know, a super majority red state and everything. But, you know, I do at least for a few more weeks live in a college town. And like today, when I went to the grocery store, was the first time I, like, actually saw, something that was like eye rolling. You know, some, you know, a woman wearing a, um,

read banned book shirt. And I don't think she wasn't talking about like, um, you know, mind comfort. So I'm pretty, I'm pretty sure it wasn't that. Yeah. Yeah. And I know what,

yeah. I know. I posted on some, some college professor was, um, bitching about like, oh, they're banning like basically the,

the, the, the, the, the, born from kindergartner's libraries. And I was like, I was like, I listed a bunch of books that like, you know, some of them that we've, we've done live readings on and a couple of ones that I've read.

I was like, I want these books of those libraries because I think, you know, naturally my kids are just going to grow up to be an ethno-nationalist, totally organically, you know. Yeah, I think we definitely could definitely use some. It was like the Turner Diaries or Race War in high school. For kids, yeah. Yeah. Mind comp. Like, can we get them in some libraries? On a new nobility of blood and soil for kids.

Yeah, I'm, I'm, hey. Yeah, that's what I said. Like, oh, yes, I'm a publisher of children's books. I'm making versions of mind comp. I'd really, I'd really love to know where your public library is. Yeah, I saw that. Did you get any response on that? Because I read it.

Yeah. Yeah. I get responses on that. I get called the Nazi all the time. Yeah. Well, that means you. Must be doing something right. Somebody today.

Oh, you're a Nazi and you're a racist. And it's like, and what, what? Where are we going with this? I'm trying to get called a Nazi and a communist on the same day. That's my holy girl. Yeah. somebody at National Review did a very shitty review of Paul Gottfried, the thing he just did,

paleo-conservative anthology. Yep. And called them, said it was right-wing Marxism. Yeah, body, I wish. And it's funny as they chronicles podcast,

which has become like a staple of my, they did Paul. Yeah. Paul did that and they answered that and it was like, what are you talking about? And they mentioned Sam Francis. I mean, can you imagine calling Sam Francis a Marxist? No, like, I mean, I could maybe infer that he's some things I don't like, but like, not a Marxist. Yeah.

That's just, is that going to be the new, the new quote unquote, right way? conning cope that everything I don't like to the right of me as a Marxist. Yeah, they're perfectly fine

with calling anybody they don't like Marxists one day and then they'll call them a fascist the next day, a Nazi, you know,

depends on who they're trying to, you know, get their donations from at the time. Yeah, it's frustrating. Oh,

we really need a spot on CNN. Let's call them a Nazi. Yeah, MSNBC, I'm sure. Yeah. You see,

Um, as Rachel Maddow even on TV anymore? I don't even know who's on TV anymore. Yeah. I just don't, I mean, I don't care. The last vestige of, uh,

like cable news that I watched was Tucker and that's gone. So yeah, I really have no reason to turn on like nationally syndicated news anymore. Yeah. If I watch my local channel every once in a while, it's about it. Yeah. If I want to hear leftists,

I'll turn on like Jimmy Doar or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. At least he's entertaining and funny. And what's his name? His co-host, I think it's Tom Metzger was wearing, had a shirt on the other day, LGBTQ CIA. So true.

I was like, well, if you understand, you know, feminism and where, like, Andrea Dworkin and all those, and they were just all CIA assets. Yeah. It's come to light. It's just amazing. It's a returning tool now. LGBT friendly. Yeah.

Yeah. Get that DEI money. Come in some trash bags. Let's close this out, man. Well, thank you. I, the thing I love the most about this one is it's just such a learning experience. Yeah, very enlightening, like lifting the veil.

Yeah. You know, it's turned everything I thought knew and I didn't know much, but I thought I was sure on a lot of things and this just kind of, you know, broke my mind. Yeah. Even if people don't believe, you know, even if people don't want to believe it, oh, de Meistre was, you know, saying, you know, he's lying. He's, what would be the opposite of exaggerating? He's just understanding or what I, yeah. Yeah, yeah, understating it.

Genocide apologism. Yeah, it still makes you think, you know, it's like, okay, well, Well, does it make sense from what we know? Yeah, because the people that are critiqued, the people that are going to be critiquing de Meister are utilitarian 100% of the time. So you can even talk to them in utilitarian terms like now 3,000 people versus. Yeah. Well, you can try to talk to them.

I don't really want to talk to them anymore. But the time for conversations is over. It's, you know, it's, it's so, when you encounter somebody on, like, social media who it's almost like immediate, you can tell whether that per, whether it's an honest actor or not. Yeah. Yeah. If they have the potential, like, whether it's entertainment or, or actually having a, a good conversation that benefits, you know, anybody. Or if they're, you know, the, you know, I, I don't like you. I really don't like the word NPC, but it's like the best we have right now.

Yeah. And there are people who are just out there spreading lies on purpose. Yeah. And they know. Not even the good kind. Yeah. Can we get some base lies? I'm all for it.

As long as they serve things that I like. All right. Do you want to plug anything? I mean, is it even a podcast if Carr has to do something? solo episodes. Yeah. Yeah, I told them earlier that day. I was 75% sure I was going to make it.

Yeah, you can sometimes find me at, what is it called? Timeline Earth. Yeah, that's it. Find me on Twitter at BTWA underscore returns. BTWA stands for Boys Town with Aaron. That's my solo show. That, yeah. I have an idea.

Dude, I have an idea for an episode. Oh, yeah, that's all I have is ideas. Yeah. I have them written down somewhere. I have an idea for an episode. I'll do it with you for your show if you want. All right. I think it will be,

it'll be enjoyable and some people just be like, oh, shit. It'll be a reading of something I already sent, of something I already sent you. Then I'm going to let you get kicked off of, of all podcatchers. Yeah. Let me face consequences for once. All right, man.

I appreciate it. Thank you. Yep. Thanks, man.