The Pete Quiñones Show - Live with RealThomas777 -05/07/26

Episode Date: May 8, 2026

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I'm very pleased that this live stream has been such a success. I figure it would be. I think I have reasonably good instincts for what kind of content is going to pop and what our cadre is going to enjoy and find worthwhile. You know, and plus a major catalyst with you people's asking me to, you know, do a live stream. But nonetheless, I'm very humble and stoked that. Week after week people show up to participate. We're still waiting on Pete,

so let's all make fun of him and talk shit about what a jabroney he is for not being here. I'm just kidding, let's not do that. We owe Pete a great debt of honor, and he's a dear friend, both him and burden. I will not allow them to be slighted or insulted by lesser men, because I owe both of them. I pay a fair amount of attention to British politics not just because I've always had an abiding interest in Ulster and things

and also England is Scotland going to my own racial heritage but my dad wrote his dissertation on on British Party politics and specifically how it impacted Cold War policy and things. You know, he became something of an expert they were in,

and my folks lived there for a long time. Hi, Pete. Yo, what's up? A bunch of the stuff, I'm not going to name names, but they were calling you with Gibroni and saying really out-of-pocket things. I think that was actually you, because I've seen you use that word in the chat so many times. Yeah, no, they, I think, I mean, the chief Gibroni Carl is in here.

It would be nice if Gibroni Carl was here. He's got a new, he's got a new job. Like, Carl did he get a new job because they took his job. But he, uh, doge took his job. Oh, what? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Dose took my job.

But, uh, in any event, uh, he's actually got, uh, Yeah, he's actually got a semi-legit excuse for not being able to participate. I was going to, I'm recording Mind Phaser content before I leave for Virginia. I was going to do it today with our homie, Andy. But then I realized, I always fucked this up because of the time change on the West Coast. I realized it conflicted with our live stream. So I felt like an idiot. So we're going to do it tomorrow.

But, you know, he, I still intend to start doing either a biweekly or once-monthly pod with both of them guys or a stream with a discrete focus on genuine popular culture stuff. You know, because that's especially Andy's very much sort of in the midst of death. And that's important to partisan activity. you know, it was a big San Francis point, but also even guys a lot more radical in San Francis. That's what they were up on, you know, and Ian Stewart was a craftery guy than people credited him. I mean, I like rock and roll and I like Rockins communism and I, you know, like in high school, there was one shop where you could buy like Rockins communism records and, you know, they'd have screwdriver tapes and stuff. But at point being, I always liked Ian Stewart and all

of that. But even if you're not into his jams, um, you know, he was, he was craftier than people think, man. And that was his whole point is like, look, you know, youth has to quit system culture and we got to build our own thing. And there's a reason why there's a reason why system culture is always trying to imitate the street, you know, because it's a counterfeit, um, iteration of, of something that is um you know both a rallying point and um a a sociological mechanism of of building of cadre building but uh before you joined us and thanks thanks again for doing this with me of course i was talking about the united kingdom you know and like my folks lived there for a lot of years you know and my mom fit in there very well like my dad always made the point uh like my dad always

had like respect for the english but he also like looked at him as kind of like silly effeminate motherfuckers like i can tell us by the way he talks because uh you know my dad's like an okey from the los angeles street at base under how much um how much polished he is but like my mom fit in with like society Scottish and English ladies um she was like a big hit with them but you know, and my folks were there, like, right, when the troubles kicked off and stuff. So I grew in a very, like, anglophone-coded household. But in any event, you know, like, my dad's PhD thesis was on parliamentary politics in Britain, particularly how it impacted the Cold War situation and stuff, you know.

So I've always had an interest in the UK. And, I mean, there's a day. I was surprised how the media was actually being pretty softball about King Charles. that motherfucker is like a Monty Python character He's just a complete goof And they used to really like riff on him For being like a jagoff But now they're acting like he's

Now they're acting like he's some great Statesman or something Or I mean And in America too Like I I don't understand it man Because I actually heard a couple of the girls At the landmark

And these are like I mean they're women They're like they're not girls But I mean I'm old so But these are ladies like in their late 20s in early 30s, and they were, like, talking about the royals and in King Charles. Like, that was just, like, blue-haired old women were into that. But, I mean, I guess it's, you know, like, like females get into that.

I'm not being down on it. Was your dad's book, Liberal politics in England? In Britain, yeah, it's one of them. But that was, that was his thesis that got turned into a book. And he identified a schismatic tenancy within the, within the Tory party. and he basically predicted Thatcherism because he said that increasing as the tot ended

I mean he was writing like years before it has happened but I guess the taunt ended there's going to be a right word shift in terms of Cold War Hawks within the party and then he said that you know the the liberal party is going to become a spoiler element

it's interesting like somebody came to pass some of it didn't but the overall trend was something identified but I was on this tip lately because I you know the movie threads it was it was like the UK counterpart

to the day after except uh it came out before I think it came out in 84 the day after came out in 85 you ever seen threads I don't think so I don't think so

it's a pretty horrific movie what it's about is it's about a nuclear war between NATO and Warsaw Pact circa 1980 you know Abel Archer era and the focus is on the city of Sheffield

and I think something like 80 mega tons fall on the UK. So the UK is just obliterated. You know, I mean, unlike, I make the point in my book that there was always a gross dishonesty in the public conversation about nuclear war in this country, like mutually assured destruction is, is nonsense. And this idea that, you know, there's no victory condition in nuclear war is nonsense. The whole Carl Sagan paradigm is nonsense. However, the UK could not have survived a nuclear war. They just couldn't.

So threads, obviously things are more critical then. And, you know, the UK played a strategically really significant role in the Cold War. Like, I think we talked about that last week, you know, the Greenland, Iceland, UK gap. I was talking about this with Raging Mandrill.

You know, the basically for Soviet, for Soviet SLBM platforms to break out into the open ocean. They had to shoot the Greenland, Iceland, UK gap. Otherwise, they boxed in. And those subs had to be able to reach

striking range of the Connollier States. Like Typhoon class subs could have just, you know, they could have sat under the ice in Antarctica and they could have shot their payload and hit kind of United States. But for a true

to truly wreck the continent, they'd need to be able to break out into the open ocean. And plus, they'd also have to knock out, obviously, enemy platforms. So, in event of a general nuclear war, if your Warsaw Pact, you're going to want to knock out the United Kingdom immediately. And the best way to do that is the, like, Chavez has 20s up their ass and kill everybody, you know, just to be sure. And Inuk Powell made that point.

um Powell was wrong in some things he was right on a lot of other things and I got big respect for him because he he was he was the only real champion

that the people of all stir had um you know in in Downing Street um with with access to Downing Street rather you know I'm not talking about one off uh you know um

polemicists and in Rable where I was just like um um Paisley, who got insinuate their way into coalition governments and they'll squeeze concessions out. I mean, he was a guy who actually had clout, you know, with the city of London and stuff. But, you know, he made the point that, you know, the UK basically is acting as a suicide pawn in the Cold War. and you know the nuclear deterrent of the UK was a deterrent in name only because it's it's not as if there's anything approaching parity of Warsaw Pact but also you know it's why

why are we going to die for why are we going to kill off our race for the sake of you know the the United States seeking out of victory in an event of general warfare I he was right of course but it uh the so this was a big deal and like the uk disarmament movement was in fact deeply funded by warsaw pact like i'm not saying that i mean these people were kind of peace like lefties but i think a lot of them their heart was in the right place they weren't like they weren't like shitbag race traitor wokeies or something i mean some of them were but some of them weren't but uh you know the the the um the soviets

were incessantly trying to flip the political culture of the UK. And I'd say in part they did, man. Like the Cambridge 5 was pretty nuts. You know, and there was no comparable circumstance that occurred in America or the Bundes Republic. And the West Germans who defected, they had it was, they had a different sensibility, you know, but that's that book the fourth

protocol. I think that's Frederick Forsy. I get him confused with John LaCarray. You know, Frederick Forsyth wrote The Dogs of War, which is an awesome book. John LaCarray wrote a tinker, sailor, soldier, spy. But the fourth protocol, it's all about Kim Filby. I mean, it's all, it's a, it's a Cold War thriller kind of book. and the fourth protocol,

I won't bore with the details, but it's supposedly the secret protocol relating to, you know, an unwritten convention relating to nuclear war and what sorts of platforms can be deployed. But Kim Filby is a character in the book. You know,

and it's interesting. And one of the, one aspect of the book is that, there's this cell within the labor party who are basically a hardline Stalinist. And they're a client element of the Kremlin. You know, and there's this one guy they're grooming for to be prime minister. You know, and the idea is that ultimately, you know, the UK can be flipped as a communist country. And I think meanwhile, too, this same element, they're, they've radicalized this, this, this, this, this, this, this schematic faction of the pro-provisional IRA who are still hard, like Marxist Leninists, and they're plotting, like, mass terror attacks in London as attention strategy.

It's, it's actually kind of an interesting book back when that whole genre was popular by really interesting writers. like now it's just like faggot like monkey-faced idiots like Pete Higgasets and butt buddies with names like Howard Sir Thor and it's like you know it's like you know

Captain America has to stop the new Holocaust because it's long fascists are are breeding Nazi super soldiers to exterminate every Jewish person and make butt plugs illegal you know and and then like if that happens

they'll also going to like release like a strain of super AIDS that'll like kill Pete Higseth and everyone else at the bathhouse

but back in the day like there was actually some cool techno thrillers and I stand by Tom Clancy actually being a good dude like he wrote some dumb shit but he wrote some really good stuff too like Red Storm Rising is fucking awesome

I'd read October is awesome the Cardinal of the Kremlin is pretty interesting and also you know he died fairly young he's like one of those dudes and not being flippant but he's one of those guys

you could basically tell by looking at him. At any moment he's going to die of a heart attack. You know, he was like, he was like a slightly overweight guy who like spent a lot of time in an office cheer and like was really into esoteric naval trivia. It's like that guy's going to die of a heart attack. You know?

The exception of that rule was John Madden, but John Madden was like immortal. But in any event, you know, Clancy, uh, after, uh,

September 11th, they were trying to corral him as one of their medium-out pieces. Like they did Giuliani. And that's back when people liked Giuliani. Like, now for some reason, everybody hates him. Like, I never really liked Giuliani, but I don't understand why, like,

that people literally hate his ass. But they were trying to coach. He's like a greasy dago vampire. Yeah, he's not aged well. And he's, I always thought he's a creepy guy. And his father actually was, um, you know, he's now, he's a Sicilian Albanian.

So he's like, he's like two layers of fucking shadeball. But his dad was, um, you know, his dad was a, it was a mafia associate who did dirt in the street, which is one reason why Giuliani became like Mr. Supercop as a state's attorney. I mean, the Gambino family and they're still running shit. You know, he had a contract on him. Like the guy's not a pussy. I mean, he, you know, that wasn't a joke. Remember when we were kids and Mario Cuomo was governor in New York.

they interviewed him and he said the mafia doesn't exist. That was hilarious. Yeah. Like, what are you doing? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, it's also too, like me, that was like in the days too, like when, uh, when, when mob guys were like,

more surveilled than heads of state, you know, and it's like, look, man, that that went out with, that went out with Joe Volachi. But,

uh, no, but, uh, they were trying to poach Tom Clancy to, you know, be some cheerleader for the, for the war effort, he wouldn't do it.

You know, and so he became persona on Grada because he's like, this is a terrible, he's like, this strategic framework makes no sense. This is a terrible idea. 9-11 was entirely predictable. And why are you invading Afghanistan? Why would, does that mean we should invade Florida too?

Because they provided aid and comfort the terror. I mean, you know, so he did the right thing. And I maintain, um, red storm rising, uh, The way, the, the setup I, I thought was too techno-thrillerish. Because you know, in Red Storm Rising, there's, um, these Mushad Dean, uh, they blow up, uh, they, they, they blow up this pipeline, um, in Kazakhstan. And that, that spins the Soviet economy, which is, you know, teetering on the brink of, um, collapse. way into a genuine crisis.

And this guy who's obviously supposed to be a standard for Oostinov, he basically puts it to the Politburo that look like we, an event of war, you know, we can't sustain an operational capability, you know, long enough to reach the Atlantic, let alone the Rhine. You know, we've got to strike now, basically. So their big plan is to stage, they stage another terrorist attack, which is the false flag, where they plant a bomb in the Supreme Soviet, I think, and blow up a bunch of their own people, which is actually some of the Russians might do. But then, you know, they, they used it as a catalyst for a general push in the Middle East. You know, and

replenish their strategic oil reserves, you know, and then assault across the inter-German border. You know, and the war doesn't go nuclear because cooler ends prevail. But there's the interplay of the weapon systems, which

were then cutting edge, you know, circa 19895. It's well-written. And interesting, a couple years before that, this guy named Hackett I think Sir Edward Hackett I think he was this

UK general and he wrote a book called the Third World War but he wrote it in such a way that I can't remember the this is a literary device that I can't remember the term for it

but it's written as if it's a real event that's happening so it's like news dispatches and things like that where you develop like a conceptual picture year and like after action reports of of NATO fighting Warsaw

pact and then there was a follow-up called World War III and there was World War III the untold story which was sort of like this addendum where at you know

like company of battalion level there's a British and West German and American you know infantry and armored commanders like Rallang was happening

I thought it was cool when I was a kid that it was interesting because um the British Army in those days produced a lot of a lot of real serious military thinkers you know a huge frank Kitson admirer

like now I'm not saying Kitson's like a good man you should like him and I know that our Irish friends are going to think I'm trying to be inflammatory I'm not at all Kitson Kitson understood asymmetrical and counter-sertency warfare in a way that I don't think any

I don't think there's any U.S. counterpart tool except maybe Hackworth but even that's imperfect of a comparison but yeah I I maintain that Clancy was one of the

one of the good guys there's something I lost a thought that I had I wanted to raise something I fucking hate it when that happens I Oh the Yeah the the The K-Sound episode seems to be popping man

People haven't given me a lot of props on it Oh that's good Excellent Yeah Yeah and I'm sorry that I'm so I'm better better today I might have been better the last couple of days But I was still fighting some fatigue man

So forgive me for not going for a full hour But um That's fine Yeah, we'll do a follow-up when we record again, and we'll get into some of the, yeah, and that's, that's important, too, because like I said, I mean, I, and I include this in, in my book, there's a whole discussion at Kay San. There's a discussion of Mili for, you know, which is important. for a lot of reasons because that there was a matter

a tactical doctrine and it wasn't this anomalous war crime I'm not I'm not making some like liberal human rights argument I mean I think it was I think free fires aren't are fucked up like don't get me wrong

but what happened at me lie 4 was very much above board until the concrete particulars were relayed that you know, what was actually underway in free fire zones was the targeting of everybody. Well, I mean, it's kind of hard to believe that people back home didn't know what was going on, considering they were posting death counts, like, you know, enemy death counts since 1965.

Well, I think the reasoning of people was, and despite the fact that there's, I mean, don't get me wrong, There was a fifth column in U.S. media that was sabotaging the war effort, but there wasn't, but there weren't elements embedded with the infantry, you know, in Pinkville or something. So when the Army, through Stars and Stripes, the right after action reports said that, you know, we assaulted Mealai 4, you know, and we killed 400 of the hostiles. The presumption is those are military age males and that they were actively under arms. Like people didn't understand that, okay, everybody who was friendly was evacuated. They were told you are being evacuated. If you remain, you are considered a categorical enemy. And the people refused to be relocated strategic hamlets, whether by coercion or whether

owing to partisan commitment, they were providing aid and comfort to the VC. So they were fair targets for destruction. And everybody understood that. and what was assinine is you know Lieutenant Kelly literally this 23 year old guy you know who was sort of out of his element in a command

role so you're telling me that this 23 year old platoon leader he went berserk decided all on his own to massacre hundreds of people just because he was mad and that you know these seasoned NCOs

who was any anyone who's been in the service in a combat infantry platoon will tell you, like the real authority in the platoon. His NCOs were like, okay, bet, yeah, we're going to do it. Ernst Medina, who was universally feared

throughout a miracle division, you know, and who was Kelly's company commander, Cali basically just gave him the finger and like went rogue. It's, you've got to be an idiot if you believe that. Okay, but also I mean, that's what counterinsuracy doctrine is.

And in the book, I make the point, one of the most fascinating about World War II is how there was many different wars. Like, if you were fighting in North Africa, you were fighting a totally different war than if you were with Army Group North in Archangel and Leningrad. And if you were on the Western Front

as like a folks front of deer in the last year of the war, your experience was totally different than on the Oshed front. But one of the most intense theaters was in the Balkans. you know, and on the frontier of what was the NDAH

because a large swath of Bosnia Herzegovino was incorporated into the independent state of Croatia. You know, there was this ongoing, there's this three-way counterinsurgency where the Vermacht and the Croatian Home Guard and the Vaf and SS, they were fighting the Chetniks, they were also fighting the partisans,

you know, and, the apartens and the Chetniks were also fighting each other and uh you know that's um that's one of the that's one of the um that's one of the um there's one of the primaries of responsibility for

for uh hansar 13th uh SS you know who is a Bosniak formation because uh Pavillich grew up in a town that was with a substantial Muslim population,

and he knew a lot about Sunni Islam. And, you know, the, according to the racial codes of the NDH, Bosniaks were racial Croatians. But, you know, Pavlovich, the Bosniaks and the ethnic cross were very much allied. There are some tensions there, but generally that's the way it shakes out.

to this day. The homeland war was a little different and complicated. But anyway, there was this counterinsurgency fight in Yugoslavia, or what became Yugoslavia. And it shook out very much like non-tapical level. You know, there'd be the Vermont. They talked some village hancho, some Serbian village hancho, who would like assure them that you know he he he wanted nothing to do with the chetniks you know but then like um

lo and behold uh you know they take sniper fire from that same village then it comes down from on high like okay like kill everybody you know like these people are enemies they're their chetnics you know kill them all and um that you know like literally identical to what went down and um so this and obviously you know that's nothing new, but the middle portion of my book, I mean, that's what I deal with, is, primarily at every juncture, everything

that, everything that was alleged by the International Military Tribunal, and it's come to constitute what America claims is, you know, the laws of warfare. Like, America literally does every single one of those things, you know,

um, and I mean, even beyond that, because standing doctrine from 1965-66 until 1991 was an event of nuclear war to the victory metric was killing approximately 80 million civilians in the Soviet Union. You don't get to fall back on evil Nazis when the SIOP is, you know, our victory metric is to annihilate an annihilate an higher civilization. You know, that's what assured destruction is. Assured destruction is, unlike MED, assured destruction actually has a meaning.

It's not some polemical device. It's a strategic concept in nuclear war planning. It's the point at which an enemy society has absorbed such catastrophic attrition, it can no longer reconstitute. And in the case of the Soviet Union, that would have, in the 60s or 70s, they want to make killing between 60 and 100 million people, which is almost unfathomable, you know, when you think about it. I think people think I'm flippant on this stuff

because I'm prone to pointing out that there's an idiotic discourse around nuclear weapons than is now. But, I mean, make no mistake, nuclear weapons, particularly from the air of the hydrogen bomb onward, are pretty horrific, man. And I get into that in my book, too, the lie of the German atomic bomb and how Einstein, through the Board of Jewish Deputies

and through his co-religionist and ideological fellows and the focus in the UK, through Wall Street connections, we're able to get an audience with Roosevelt and sell him on this lie that there was a German atomic bomb being developed. So, but I mean, why would, you know, Zionists who have an absolute racial hatred of Europeans,

like, why would they think twice about devising weapons that could literally annihilate the continent? And people need to be clear on that. That's what the atomic bomb was for. It was to wage nuclear war on Europe and genocide Europe out of existence. Like, nobody does that. like nobody nobody self annihilates their civilization

you know and that's that's why I've got no that's why I've got no tolerance for boomer truth you're like well these people just misguided it's like no you don't you don't get to pull that card you know you don't get to I mean he'll have to let me ask

let me ask you a question what was what was the confessional makeup of most of the Germans who were in who were in Danzig in 1939. They were mostly Lutheran. I mean, Danzig was a Prussia city for practical purposes. Right.

You know, and the Kulterkamp, which was the Bismarckian and beyond effort to Protestant-Eyes, Prussia, quite literally. Like, supposedly, I don't know if this is apographer or not, supposedly the Kaiser's life wouldn't even let Catholics in her home. Okay, I mean, I, I, the ascendancy of, of the furor,

among other things, suggests that that sectarian cultural schism had been remedied, you know, but Hitler was unusual. He was a Habsburg Catholic, who, uh,

whose core of, uh, political support was in the Protestant semi-rural north and who identified the German rights the legacy government of Prussia. But, yeah, Danzig was, it was an Ostreuse city for all for medical purposes. One of the reasons I ask is because Beck was a Calvinist. So, I mean, where?

Yeah, there's, there's German Calvinists, just like there's Hungarian Calvinists. to the minority, but, you know. Well, Beck, what was Beck's, I mean, I could see if Danzig was a German Catholic city. Um, what I'm just looking for like religious animosity between Beck as a Calvinist and, um, and, you know, the German population of Danzig. Beck was an unusual guy. I mean, uh, Pinsolsolsky was, was viewed as kind of the reasonable man of that company. Consolski was dead by the time of that of Colonel Bex's sentencing. No, the read, Daniel, or Donald Day.

You know, I think I was talking about him the other day. Donald Day was, he was Robert R. McCormick's, like, right-hand man at the Chicago Tribune. And he was invited by the Moscow Media Bureau to report on what was happening in the Soviet Union, you know, like in the 30s. And he basically refused to lie about the reality of the famine and stuff. So he got banished from the Soviet Union.

And, you know, he became an arch-america first during he quoted his saying, you know, on the eve of war, when he was in Warsaw, he said two things that were attributed to him, not incorrectly, but as examples of his like,

perfect his character, whatever. He said that it's going to be a bitter medicine, but he said Europe's going to have to swallow a large dose of national socialism to expel the poison from itself. And then he said, too, that the polls basically deserved everything they got. He's like, they're this pig-headed people

who, who've got this totally outsized and unwarranted national pride. They think that they're entitled to dominate central Europe, that they can exhibit utter contempt with the Russians and the Germans and the Germans, like meanwhile, you know, treating their own minorities

with a sort of contemptuous swathing superiority, like despite having like no appreciable, you know, military capability, by having a totally backwards system, you know, despite having an economy that is failing even by the standards of, you know, the 1870s, it's like, you know, fuck these people. They're like the Ukrainians of the 1930s.

but I mean that's what it was there wasn't some rational Hitler basically gave the polls the world and the Polish response was fuck you we're going to war and we're going to be in Berlin in months it's like trying to negotiate with Ukrainians you know like

the all the Germans wanted the Germans said that we need the ability to defend in depth so we will guarantee Polish security, you know, through operational integration. All we want is a mutual defense pact against Moscow. And we want dedicated access to Danzig.

And they're like Danzig even remain under Polish political authority. Like Hitler basically bent over backwards. And the Polish response was that, you know, Poland is greatest country on earth. You know, we're, we're going to rule Berlin and, and then we're going to. And they were going to, you know, back down Moscow, like, peak delusion. That's why. It's funny. My Polish side, both sets of my great grandparents on both sides left, like 30 years, like left

in 1910 and 1911, respectively. They're like, getting the fuck out of here. We're going to America. Oh, no. Like I said, I like Polish people. I mean, there's a huge amount of them here. We've got the largest Polish population outside of Poland here. You know, somewhere on Poles.

I like Poles. They're good. Western Pennsylvania is pretty, it got a pretty good Polish population. Yeah. And a lot of, a lot of, a lot of,

a lot of Polish people are, are, are, a lot of Polish people are, are, are, are, uh, were forcibly slavitized germs. So, I mean, it's,

it's, it's stupid to, like, hate on polls on, I mean, you shouldn't go on hating people anyway, but, you know, like,

like, polls, I want you on Mongols. It's like, well, a lot of them are actually, Germans, man. You know, got so that's, but they're, no, they're, I'm speaking

to their government, their whole political class was totally dysfunctional and, uh, you know, um, when you grow up, when you grow up, when you grow up, you get, I knew every Polish joke growing up. Oh, yeah, I, I, I, I don't, I know a ton of them cause, uh, where I live in, um, my older brother, uh, is, is good, what do you? Go ahead. Oh, sorry.

Oh, I was saying when I was growing up, we had this book. It was one of those books. It was like half, half one book, half the other. You flip it over and it was two books. And one was Polish jokes and the other one was Italian jokes. That was in my house growing up. Yeah, I like Italian jokes too. Was I mentioned I'm an Italian, a Puerto Rican with a job?

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, but what is why? What does Wop stand for without papers? What's an Italian virgin? The ugly 12-year-old looking outrunner brothers. No, I, I'm a big fan of Italiano's, and they make the best food and they make the best clothes. And, you know, like I said, I envy Italian guys and Latin guys

because I wish I could get away with the kinds of fit that they do. I think I'd do okay for a, you know, a redneckish Peckwood type guy. But, I mean, you got your ethnic jag kind of determinant your style. Like back when black people would have dressed, you know, like, James Brown who like always looked great, like black guys, you'll see older black guys who still dress good. And like I envy them too because it's like, man, that's like an awesome suit that I could like never pull off.

Yeah, if you drive by a black church like on Sunday morning. the older black guys always have the fit going. Oh, yeah, no, 100%. Yeah, yeah, that's... I'm old enough to remember the C change, too, because even when I talked to Big D about that, because, you know, he told me, like, back in the, you know, he's only about 10 or 11 years old than me,

and he's like, yeah, he's like, one of the reasons, he's like, one of the reasons I wanted to be, like, an L. Rukin is because he's like, the Lerugans and the vice lords where, like, he's like, those good dudes, like, dressed better than everybody else. and then like uh within a few years like uh within a few years you know you got guys like ice tea like trying to make it out these iceberg slim but he's wearing like a starter jacket on like a ball cap like there's

not wrong wearing like ball caps but it's like don't pretend you're like don't pretend you're like ron o'neal or fucking iceberg slim but you're like dressed like a fucking you dress like just like random dude you know like i mean that's not that it's like what happened to you guys we forgot to the dress but also like black dude forgot how to play the guitar. I don't understand that either. It's like Jews forgot how to play basketball. Well, to be fair, though, like the end, but like when people act like, you know,

Ozzyds were the best ball players. Basketball was literally like this super segregated like YMCA sports. You know, and so it's like these Jewish guys, they were playing against a bunch of four foot tall Italian guys and like the Hungarian team. You know, it's like suddenly like, uh, I literally was like that like, you know, ghettoized. It wasn't even like the leatherhead days of football where football

was basically rugby and then it transitioned into the pigskin game as we know it but it's like yeah the well plus two it's complicated like the best you had some decent Jewish pogs of the lighter divisions like Fritzy Zivich

Max Bayer was There's only like a quarter Jewish. Um, I mean, I mean, I mean wrong, there were like Jewish heavywee, it's a good bang,

but it's, um, the, the tribal were states that shit. Like, just why they'll always, they'll always be some, like nebishy weirdo

looks like L. Goldstein writing a book, like, you know, back when Jews were tough, this is my book about being a Jewish badass. We don't like Rahm Emanuel.

Like he wrote in like North Shore magazine when motherfuckers run for mirror. And like, don't me wrong. Ironically, like pervers of the sound,

I prefer to Rahm to fucking Daily. Daily was a fucking piece of shit. You know, like a literal like babbling retard man baby. Like Daily the son, not Boss Daily. But like Rahm grew up around

Wometh, which is a good town. And it's actually more waspy than a lot of the North Shore. Not that it's like a great thing. Like wasps don't like me either. I always been going to have point to people, especially especially some of our

some of our sort of ghettoized Catholic friends you're like you would burn I'm like bro like I get thrown out of Wasp environment's motherfucker like I'm the bastard Byrne and I are like the bastard cousins they're ashamed of and so you don't get it Do I look like I belong to a fucking country club?

No I do not But um I think as long as as as long as Stormy is down with the you'll be okay with the watch Oh no don't get me wrong Like I like Peter Brimlow Like he like he likes me and Jack Like part of that for that part of it's for that reason

Like when I when we met him he came up to me And I was wearing I was wearing my battle jacket and like an Ilsa shirt But you know I've got a I got the red hand like ulster flag And he's like that's an interesting jacket you have on And he's like I like your Northern Ireland flag But then like when we were at the OGC Virginia

You know like Wallbank team wallbangers thing like brimlow you made a point to like he invited me and jack to sit at his table you know which is dope because like he he's just a good dude you know um and he's uh you know he's like an old scottish guy uh but he yeah he likes me and jack because we're we're ulster bastards but uh um but no there there really is like a cultural divide that's one of the reasons uh and like don't get me wrong when i was in high school uh like lake forest is kind of Wasp Central. You got some like rich Greeks there and stuff now too, but that's traditionally the Wasp Heartland. You know, I was from, I was from farther south than that, you know,

and like my town was like very Jewish and very ethnic and very Catholic. And I went to the, I went to the Reform Presby Church, you know, like a little closer to the lake. But the, like the deer field and lake forest guys, if I, if I, if I like shoot up at their parties, they weren't like upset or something. It's just that we live kind of like parallel, but not in respecting lives. It's like it's a thing to do itself.

Stormy'll tell you to it. That's why I was going to ask you about that. I was going to ask you about this. Did you ever see Stars, the cable channel Stars was putting out some pretty good stuff for a few years there, but they were only doing like two seasons. They would end it real quick.

Did you ever see Boss with Kelsey Grammer play in the mayor of Chicago? No, but I'm familiar with it. Yeah. I think you'd enjoy it. There was another show they did. It was called Magic City and it took place in Miami in the 50s. And it basically showed how the mob was Jewish in Miami at the time.

100%. No, that's why they get into that a little bit in Donnie Brasco, but it's subtle. But, yeah. Yeah, this is explicit. This is explicit. it's actually a pretty good show but you can tell they like either ran out of funding or they just cut it because at the at the end of the second season it the show ends but i mean it was just it ended kind of weird yeah pete hudder said kitty on boss was smoking hot yeah that's the yeah

the character of like his assistant oh my god no a lot of there's a bunch of dope-ish shows um shit man my favorite show all the time was crime story which you got really weird, but they only went two seasons. You know, and that, um, they didn't know on a cliffhanger. That's fascinating too, because that we got to do a show on that. Miami Vice, Crime Story, Twin Peaks, Wise Guy. I mean, this was, you had insane talent making prime time shows. You had fucking David Lynch, Michael Mann.

Wise guy was a crazy show. And one of the later seasons, it had a bunch of the cast, it, well, it had, it, it had, had Jonathan Banks, you know, like Mike Ehrman Trout, he was on it. Darlene Flugel, or Darlane Flugel, who was a crime story in Mountie Vice veteran, she was on it. A bunch of the other people from

Twin Peaks were on it. And you could tell that the narrative device, there was a lot of cross-pollination with Twin Peaks, as well as with crime story and vice. And it's because that was around the time of the writer's strike, too. So you could tell like weird things were

happening. and different IPs, repouching different talent. But it's the kind of stuff you'd never see on prime time these days. And I love crime story because, you know, at Dennis Farina, it had a bunch of the guys from Thief, like Johnny Santucci. He actually was an outfit guy. And it was embarrassing because during crime story, he got arrested for robbing vending machines,

you know, like jimmying open the locks and taking a little. the quarters away. But he, Johnny Santucci was a, he wasn't even an actor. He was a, when, um, Dennis Frino was Chicago PD, he'd arrested Johnny Santucci a bunch of times. So like when, you know, when he got his acting wrong crime story, Michael Mann's like, you know,

like, you know, I'd like to talk some guys, you know, who were active in the early 60s. He's like, oh, let me, let me call his guy. I know, I arrested him a bunch of times. And like, Santucci was such a nut and such like a caricature. Michael Mann's like, I would, like, That dude's got to, like, be on this show. And, um, Ted Levine, like, he, he played this outfit guy. He was obviously supposed to be, uh, Frank Holheimer.

There's this great book that's impossible to find, though, called The Cat Burglers. You know, and the reason why thief, the plot shakes out the way it does, um, like, a high-end, uh, jewelry theft was a huge thing in Chicago, you know, for various reasons. and the outfit was taxing that. You know, basically it's like, you know, it's, you know, and it shook down like it didn't thief, you know, and it's like, if your chops are good enough, it's like, we'll put you to work and we'll guarantee you scores. But it's like, if you're freelance, fine,

but if you don't kick up, you die. But, you know, it's, uh, crime story gets into all of that. And, um, it's just got a great cat. Andrew Dice Clay, who actually has, I mean, he's an idiot of a comedian. He wasn't at all funny. He was just a dickhead. But his acting shots were pretty good.

He played this dude, he played a Jewish mob guy from Miami, that throws going with it. And this guy who's obviously supposed to be Meyer Lansky is like who he kicks up to. But, no, just incredible stuff. And that's, people don't realize either that the season-long narrative art. of show that like all shows do now that was invented by crime story and mommy vice and wise guy and twin peaks that wasn't

the convention before like individual episodes are like stand alone things and um you know pre uh pre cable I mean go ahead you know Coppola Coppola used to make his actors

hang out with mob guys he used to make him spent yeah he used to make him spend yeah which which is like, okay, so how does a couple of know all these mob guys? But the, yeah, they, all the guys in Godfather had to spend time with mob guys and be around them. No, the Godfather is a great movie. People, it's not, I far prefer stuff like Mean Streets. Like, Mean Streets is the greatest all-time mafia movie, Mean Streets and Casino.

And like Casino is awesome because of Chicago. That's why it's so fucking savage. No, the Godfather is dope. My problem with it is Marlon Brando is actually a terrible actor, and he almost ruins the movie. James Khan is like Sonny is the best character. I know, James Khan is always awesome. No, and El Pacino is awesome, especially in that era. And I'm like, like, like, uh, like Robert De Niro is literally retarded.

Like on Al Pacino, though, like, never isn't a retardant, didn't like make a fool himself. Duval is really good in that too especially when he goes to LA to see the direct I mean his his acting in that is just so amazing oh yeah no he's no level yeah and the guy who plays Luca Brazzi's awesome uh Loua Brazzi is like the Terminator uh and like when he shows off just everybody dies what um no I I like the godfather man I say by the godfather three it's a good movie um I saw the it's a good movie if it stands if it stands by itself, it's a good movie. Yeah, I don't know what people wanted either.

I mean, admittedly, I was like a teenager, but that came out, um, like right when school was letting out, 1990, like when I was in a high school. And I remember it was funny how it broke down because, uh, that's back when people still got really concerned about like violence at the movie theater, which did happen sometimes, but, you know, um, New Jack City, which is a terrible movie. Um, it is terrible. Dude, it's hilarious. It is so over the top retarded.

Well, that's also why, like, Chris Rock, like, hitting the crack party. He's like, like, I mean. And they call people, like, pookies, like, it's, you know, meaning like you're a crackhead. But, yeah, there's, like, some guy from, like, Belle Biv DeVoe or something you're supposed to, like, believe he's, like, a tough guy or. Well, the whole thing's just, like, insane. It's like how it's like how some, like, a Hollywood guy and some, like, drug cop from the Dera program, like, thinks shit actually is, which means there's, like, no, really super reality. you know and then uh let's it was like the way i used tea proved me he's like a big sellout you know then like when he was like called on it you had this like lame he's like no no no he's like

you know he's like you know if the police i did in my movie i'd want to be a police man i'm saying this all police should act not that i like i like i like the police like shut up you fuck it's like you're literally like doing like war on drugs propping in doing playing a fucking pig you know it's like don't even fucking come with it alibi but uh but in the event it was uh all the like all the you go to the theater particularly like some place like out of like the western

verbs or on like the north side of the city it'd be like a bunch of white kids and like Guido was like going to see Gobar the Three and a bunch of black and Spanish kids going to see New Jack City like it was like self segregation with tea but uh but anyway I went to see it with a couple of friends

and like a few girls um we knew and I'm like that's awesome and like I was at Joe Montaini was cool. And, uh, when he assaults the casino with the choppers. And I can't remember exactly, I can't remember it's guys with like AKs or if there's actual like Vulcans like blasting away, but either way it's fucking cool. And, um, I, uh, I mean, I thought it was cool. And it wasn't fair.

Despite what people said, Sophia Copel actually had acted in a bunch of stuff before that, including Rumblefish, which is an interesting movie. I think. but she got utterly savage and like this is just nepotism no man, Winona Ryder was cast in that role she totally flaked and like got arrested then ended up in rehab

Coppola had like a month to recast somebody they're acting like oh he just cast his daughter it's like he didn't know like what choice did he have I mean for what she I mean for Soviet Coppola is not like beautiful or anything but in the movie that's not why Vincent is going to marry her

I mean, he loves her, but it's, you know, it's because he's the heir to the empire. It's like a royal marriage. You know, like, it's not like, oh, she's so hot. You know, I mean, like, I don't know. I thought it worked. You know, it's conspicuous that Robert Duval was gone, but, um, but also made sense, too, because, like, Corleone is at the end of his life. Um, he knows he's either going to get whacked or he's going to, you know, die of natural causes like

his father did because his health isn't good. And he's remembering, he's remembering Sonny. He's remembering Tom Hagan, you know, because Hagan was his best friend and his adopted brother. And I mean, Sonny was his literal brother. You know, when you get old, you lose people, man. I mean, you know that. Like, I thought it was, I thought it was powerful, man.

And, well, I thought, I thought in the third movie, basically, the underlying theme was that he was haunted by, um, by killing Fredo. Yeah. As any normal, remotely normal person, would be. And plus, I don't know what people want. Like, look, the Godfather

movies are good, but they're not like high art or something. And like even Mario Puzzo, that was when, you know, the paperback era was huge. And he basically wrote like a violent, he basically wrote kind of like a

violent pulp novel. That would also appeal to women because there's a bunch of like sex and romantic stuff. This isn't Shakespeare. It's this idea when people were like, savaging godfather three like they ruined the legacy. I'm like bro, this isn't citizen Kane. This isn't metropolis.

It's some it's some you know paperback gangster movie. Now go ahead. Which is funny because like they took the godfather which was a pulp novel and turned it into sort of like a

you know like a set piece kind of movie and everything but Goodfellas was like a serious novel that they turned into pulp. No, 100%. So Pete is good because Because wise Because the book wise guy is a great book.

But it's like the major of a huge part of that is about the Boston College scandal. Yeah. It was about the about shaving points in Boston College. Right. And that's barely, it's barely mentioned in the, in the movie. I think

Um, no, there's a lot of a hoist. Mori, yeah, Mori mentions it like as he's, right before he's getting killed.

And really, they got busted because an FBI, there was an FBI agent who was like an alum of Boston College. And, and he, like, he's like, I'm going to make a project out of these guys.

Right. Right. No, that same guy, um, Nicholas Pellegi or whatever, he wrote Casino. and casino is a great book and a great movie

um yeah no i you know to be clear like i'm not i wasn't i'm not trashing the godfather but it's not high art i would just fine i mean i'm i'm i there's a lot of stuff i like that's you know not some sort of artistic triumph for the ages but it

i mean the the the whole scene with um with uh captain mcclowski and um and so lutzau in the restaurant, that wasn't shot to be like some kind of, you know, like art piece. It was shot to be, when is he going to kill him? You know, it was like, it was more, it was a, it's a, it's a suspense movie. It's kind of like, um, even though I generally despise Brian De Palma, I really like

the movie Scarface, even though that's kind of, it's become a cliche that like a bunch of dumbass rappers liking stuff, but I, but I've liked it as a kid and it's a really good movie. And it's a good you know, I'm a big Howard Hawks guy, you know, and one of the reasons I like John Carpenter, before Carpenter, like, lost his mind and became an idiot. You know, he, he was paying how he was Howard Hawks, a bunch of his stuff. And the original

scarf, the, the 1983 Scarface, it's like a legit compliment piece to the original, like, 1929 Scarface. Like, there were a lot of like. you know, and they're both awesome. What's crazy is in the beginning of the 1983 one, it shows you that basically there is a diaspora, the size of a big city living under I-95 in Miami.

And that's true. That actually happened, and people don't realize that there was a literal city that was built under I-95 that was fenced in, and it was Mariel Bow. It was like all these basically cast, Castro emptied his prisons and sent him to Miami. No, 100%.

And that's why when people say that people say like, Oscarf is over the top because it's these Colombians killing people with chains. So I was like, first of all, they do that shit. Like secondly, during the cocaine cowboys era, there were dudes blasting at each other with Mac 10s at the shopping mall. Like that was happening. You know what I mean? Like, this wasn't fantasy.

I'll tell you privately one day. I knew somebody who owns a cigarette boat at the time. and, you know, had Mac 10s and everything like that and told me some stories. I won't tell you. I won't tell that story on the air, though. No, I, uh, that's one of the reasons, um, well, one of the reasons about Michael Mann, you know, Michael Mann is, uh, he's a Chicago guy who then went to L.A. The reason he started filming on me, Vice is like, look, he's like, I had an idea about

how to take music video optics, which at that, it became like a majority of like, oh, this is a music video, but music video optics from the cutting edge in those days. I mean, that's why you guys like David Fincher came up through music, video production, but, you know, and he's like, but I didn't, I didn't know what I wanted the setting to be, but he's like, I visit Miami and he's like, first of all, there's this huge renovation project,

all this like wonderful Art Deco stuff got restored, you know, but then also they're like, just like obscene amounts of cocaine money or flooding into Miami. And Michael Mann is like, what the hell is going on here? This is insane. You know, and that's why, and he felt like it encapsulated, you know, the epoch and stuff, and it was just sort of like a natural, and like the weirdness.

You know, like there's, there's just weird characters in Florida. It's like Florida man's a real thing. You know, it's, uh, the scene at the end of, um, of Miami Vice out, out where the buses don't run. Yeah. When, when they're driving out there and brothers in. arms is playing by direct that's that's not a music video that is like that is serious drama and like emotion no and Bruce McGill is a is a great actor and that's um yeah that the whole character of Hank Weldon too and you realize uh like Sonny Krogg realizes you know that it's

wasn't the end of his mind that he's going to turn into Hank Weldon you know um no i mean Miami Miami vibes was more poignant than people thought than uh the, even the later seasons that people kind of criticized for not being as good. And I mean, I'll abide some of that criticism. But the two-part series finale, free fall, or basically months before Just Cause, it's like it's about Operation Just Cause, you know, and Crockett and Tubbs are on the ground because they're like basically like they, they, um, they get sort of, uh, press ganged into the assault.

package of DEA. That was really well done. And plus at the end, too, like, when the DEA guy, when he realizes that he was basically getting this Noriega guy out because DEA owed him favors, you know, and then the DA said, the Krogate was like, look, he's like, I don't know what you think this job is, but he's like, there's not good guys and bad guys. He's like, we're here to stop that real estate you're just,

we're visiting from going red. That's what matters. You know, it's not about like getting kids. love drugs. And like in the 80s, that was actually pretty subversive for like a fucking prime time show. You know, but it's the whole message on your voice as the war on drugs is bullshit. You know, I mean, circa 1985, that was actually pretty.

Rob Palmer saying, Rob Palmer saying, man's Miami Vice film from 2006 is incredibly well in my opinion. I remember it being universally panned as awful when it dropped it. I remember not being a fan at first, but I rewatched it a few years ago and a shot up by Michael man power ranks. No, it's awesome. The only problem is the gross miscast is gongly because she's got like the sex appeal

of a tether ball and there's like zero chemistry between her and Colin Farrell. But no, Tom Towell does like the AB hitter. And at the opening when they're doing business with the Russians and I can't remember what kind of gaddy's got, but he just says like, you know, hey, Ivan, how long have you been doing business with the FBI, brother? then he just like opens up on him like that's fucking that's like clutch Miami voice stuff too and the um

well it's also like a total period piece like the scene where the opening scene were crock it he goes into the bar and there's like a shadow dancer with body paint on and it's that jazy and Lincoln Park Jam playing and like everybody's obviously fucked up on ecstasy um like that's

that's that that is like 2006 you know and um but it also shows too unlike in a the original version. Like other than the fact that Crocket and Tubbs are ripping around a Ferrari F40,

it'd be clear, you know, the scene where when they're racing to meet their informant who just found out his wife is murdered, the flames like blast out of like the F40s exhaust for a minute. Okay, when you, that does happen.

It's not like Hollywood. A bunch of like want to be gear queers where like, oh, that doesn't happen. Like, there's no flames out the bags. Like, yeah, are. It's all over fucking YouTube, man. But, um, no, that, uh,

Vice 2006 is dope. Um, I love Public Enemies was dope, man. Um, I don't like collateral. That just seemed to me, like, some cheap, like, cable movie or something. There was no point to the movie. No, there was no point to it. It didn't seem like,

it seemed like some film student trying to imitate Michael Mann. Let's all the two, Michael Mann was better than anybody. There's not professional hitmen. You know, that's why, like, that's the whole point of like movies, like, heat. If, like, you're a gangster, if you want somebody to put in work, you take you can get. And so it ends up you end up with Waingrove. Okay. Like, there's not, there's not like, I'm a professional hitman, you know, like, by day, I'm like, you know, well, yuppie.

But at night, I kill people and it's, here's my business card. Like, that's fucking, that's fucking normie-coded bullshit. The whole thing was fucking stupid. I like Mr. Pink's, uh, Mr. Pink's speech when they start fighting with each other. and he's like you know every two jobs with niggas they just threaten and kill each other and argue and threaten each other and argue

everything and it's like if you're gonna if you're gonna do dirt in the street you gotta be careful who you're doing it with but sometimes you just have to do something well no it's why I'm discriminating you know that I only associate with August gentlemen like Big D in Cornwood

but um I'm just kidding they're actually good dudes but uh I um no I was a ton of fucking great dialogue He's like Why am I Mr. Pink?

Why am I Mr. Pink? Because you're a fucking faggot. Yeah. I'm, I like how, I like how, you know, he's just laying there

bleeding the whole time with a gut shot. And you're like, oh man, he must have took one in the robbery. No, with some bitch who's fucking car he tried to steal.

Well, that's what's, that's one of the things I I actually like Quentin Tarantino like, I think he after Jackie Brown and he started producing garbage I mean and just like derivative garbage like oh look here's my

you know I didn't like kill Bill at all I didn't I fell asleep I fell asleep on that movie well it's huge garbage and then later everything he did he's like here's a here's my version of mandingo but with more nigger jokes you know here's my version of the wild bunched you know here's my

version of the magnificent seven. Ha, ha, ha, but it's the hipster version where people say motherfucker. Like, that, that's retarded. You know, like, why... It's like, look, man, I... And it piss me off, too,

all, like, idiots think this is, like, original stuff. It's like, look, man, this is, like a riff on an actually classic movie, and he's just, like, doing dumb stuff with it. It's not like,

oh, holy shit. He made a movie about, like, sleeves. That's insane. It's like, no, you faggot. Like, there was a whole genre movies like this. You know, he, um...

Like, don't get me wrong, I kind of, yeah, yeah. But no, what I was going to say was his, when he was, his best efforts, like, Redsford Ogg's and Pulp Fiction, that's kind of the motif of it, in part. That's why I like at the end of the segment, the Bruce Willis segment of Pulp Fiction, that's what the Twilight Zone music kicks in as he's, like, riding away with his girl. Because, like,

Murphy's laws a real thing. Just like weird, crazy shit happens. you know, like he, and like that's, yeah, that's how it goes down. Tim Ross, an interesting guy, too. Like, that, that movie's really well cast. And that's before, people don't realize, Steve Busce, I mean,

it, it, it, he didn't start getting good roles until relatively late in life. You know, it's an interesting movie in terms of the casting. He was, um, he was, um, New York, he was New York City Fire Department. Yes, sir. Yeah. Um, the movie Tales from the Dark

side from 1990. The wrap around story is Debbie Harry. It's got James Remar from the Warriors. It's got Steve Bouchemy. It's got David Johansson who admittedly that was like, I lost any more respect for him when he started doing that faggot fucking Buster Point extra shit, but it is weird

he's in the movie. So that film's got a great cast. It's got Julianne Moore in an early role. And it's rounded up by Radon Shong and Christian Slater, and either of whom are particularly good. But I saw it with my mom because my mom loved horror movies

you know and tales from the dark side the movie which is kind of like the different like the unofficial creep show three but it's not but creep show is way better

but the the James Remar segment of it it's predictable but there's like these incredible practical effects like right on turns into this gargoyle

and it's really gruesome and she like mutates um that's really well done and I I got a sauce spot for it because it's one of the movies I'm seeing my mom

holy shit you hear that because they use thunderclip doesn't know but that's um that's a sign from God I gotta go eat a BLT and it's weird man because I sent

the manuscript off yesterday I forgot to include the table of content so like I had to do that this morning but I kept on thinking like, okay, I got to go work on the manuscript. Then it's like, no, I don't. It's done.

But I'm, I'm starting on something new, though, if I got the energy this week before we go to Virginia. And like I said, I'm hoping within six or eight months, so I'll have something else in the pipeline. I got to help our dear friend, Mike, and see if he wants to continue with Steelstorm, because I think that's a better fit for Imperium for us. But any event, I'll let you go, man.

All right, man. Game, I love to Mrs. Q. And, yeah, well, I'll see you in a few days, man. And yeah, I'll hit you up by text, man. Absolutely. All right, man, I'll talk to you. Thank you. Thank you, everybody.