The Pete Quiñones Show - Live with RealThomas777 -05/28/26

Episode Date: May 29, 2026

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I believe the two remaining known operatives of the Ruth Army fraction. She got sentenced today to 13 years. She was an elderly lady, obviously, but she was still in the game. When they raided her, she was staying in Berlin, hiding in plain sight under an assumed name. And she had a quarter million euros in cash and an RPG, which is pretty dope. You know, like a old lady was still a, was still at least, you know, had one foot in. Does that tell you that somebody's still taking care of her if she had that much cash on her, that she's still, you know? Well, a lot of the, a lot of the females, especially in the Bader Mineha Federation, she was a wheelman, and she pulled off a lot of robberies as their driver for the crew that, they caught Audrey or the cell.

She was assigned to. So she would have been a, she would have been stacking up a lot of cash money, you know, that was never. recovered. But who knows? One of the reasons I write, you know, Horstimauer was a great man. And, you know, he was not just the defense counsel for their Bader Meinhauf element when they found themselves under indictment and when the Buddhist Republic security apparatus really targeted them in earnest.

But, you know, he was very much a national socialist. You know, that's why immediately after the U.R. Border came down, he clicked up with the NPD. And people who don't really understand the doubt. dialectics of how, you know, political life shook out in, in conceptual terms. They thought that that was schizzo or incoherent. Like, they don't get it. They don't get that the National Socialist resistance.

So they're talking about Otto Riemer or Yacht, Genachke Thompson, or Carl Wolf, or the, you know, Johann von Lears. They, their disposition was, um, qualifiably pro-Warsaw pact, you know, and the, the, the World Army Fraction, they had very, they had very good offices and very strong operational links of the Popular Front for liberation of Palestine General Command. You know, they, during the Cold War, there

weren't conceptual spaces for some sort of neo-fascist resistance that was going to develop a direct action capability. And if they emerged, like they did in Italy, they would have simply been assimilated into the NATO-Gladio-type structure.

Okay. So if you were a real if you were a real European liberationist, if you were a real national socialist, you would have done what Horace Mahler did. And like, don't get me wrong, there, uh, the majority of, of these R.A.F people were,

were hardcore, like, non-unreconstructed Stalinists, but not all of them were. But even that, you know, again, this, this idea that there was some, this sort of open field of conceptual and potentialities that could be,

brought to fruition through Praxis that's laughable. It's not that that that would not have been realizable. You know, so plus to the the RAF, one of the reasons why the Stasi pretty much threw everything

at them that they wanted in terms of gear and logistical support and money and, you know, safe houses. They rejected the 68 or Eurocommunist sensibility. they viewed it as a decadent bourgeoisie sensibility. They were Stalinists.

You know, they were allied with the Soviet Union until the end. The final operation of the third Rout Army fraction of the third generation, which was the Bader Mainov element, they murdered some Bundes Republic Bank president in 1990. And then they formally They sent in 90s, 7 or 98, they issued a formal statement, you know, saying that they were disbanding because amidst globalism, their war was over because, again, they were first, last and always, they were allied with Warsaw Pact. You know, they didn't, they didn't have this revisionist, fluid understanding of communism derived of, you know, Frankfurt School, the association. sociology and things, you know, and some people would allege, well, they were just a client proxy of Warsaw Pact of the DDR and other KGB and the GRU. That's really not true. There was an organic and spontaneous mobilization of that element, you know, and they, people don't, people aren't professional intelligence men or security state.

types don't they don't just take on those kinds of commitments you know because they're being it's a way you know getting a paycheck or something you know they they uh pretty much pretty much all the of virtually every one of the road army fraction each iteration was killed in action was murdered under odd circumstances or died in prison you know it's not as if there was some great return on investment if you were an apolitical who was simply interested in a paycheck. But yeah, Bean, Max

has recently finished Hitler's war. I'm not already in Nuremberg last battle. I mean, though I'm ignorant, Jackson was the reality of the European war. Jackson really was, he was a country lawyer, like out of a hokey movie or something. He wasn't putting out of errors. That's what he was. He was kind of a hit. And that was deliberate. Because if there'd been some slick New York

ethnic guy or or some Jewish guy, or even some, or even some blue blood Wall Street guy who's like a buddy of Roosevelt's or something, like that, that would have been the wrong optics. You know, Jackson was supposed to represent, you know, I'm just, I'm just a decent middle American like you. And, you know, as a Christian man, I, I, I, I, I, I, I've never seen evil of the sort that, you know, has, it's been revealed, you know, to be underway in the German Reich. And so I don't think he was acting.

You know, I think he was something of an ignoramus. Well, it's also he, I mean, Gering made a fool out of him, you know. The strongest, the strongest cadre, that's not the right word, the strongest trial team at Nuremberg was the British by a long shot. You know, the France was in a weird position. So they, for all kinds of reasons, including that it was Frenchmen defending the right. Stag in the final hours, okay? The Soviets wanted to, in typical Soviet fashion,

they were constitutionally paranoid and hostile and simply wanted to hang everybody. You know, the Americans were, you know, again, there was a lot of, Jackson had a lot of people picking up the slack for him, you know, and he made no mistake. He had, he and the entire tribunal had, had absurd. advantages. You know, the defense essentially had no discovery rights or anything. But, you know, Jackson wasn't just a figurehead of what I'm getting at. He really did set the tenor, the tone and tenor. But that's why also, when it became clear, he was actually trying to get a verdict on Helmar Shocked. The British, you're like, what are you doing? You know, it's like, first of all, shocked is here to be acquitted because the appearance of due process is paramount and absolutely

essential, especially when it's not being honored. But also, Halmar Schacht was, he was very well connected. Plus, too, I mean, if you accepted the ethical narrative, as well as the elements of the offenses alleged in terms of scienter,

Halmar Schacht was literally a banker. Like, what was he supposed to do? He, was supposed to become some revolutionary after the NSDAP ascendancy, like quit his job, even poverty, and and try and murder Hitler.

I mean, like, I know, that's not realistic. And the case is a shock. You can't even make the claim, like people lead about Speer. Like, Spear is a terrible person,

not going to be wrong, but I'm speaking within the bound of rationale of liability assigned by, you know, within the four corners of the indictments. Spear went out of his way to acquire power within the executive element of the party state. Tomar shocked didn't.

I mean, you know, and you don't, you don't have some obligation. You don't have some obligation, again, to quit your job, live in poverty, and take on the role of some sort of like 20th century diogenes and protest of your government because America decided that it's evil, you know? And really all they had on Shocked was there's this photograph.

I believe it was from 1938 after the murder of Dolph. as, you know, Hitler was dealing with Venice in that whole fiasco and was relying on, you know, Mussolini's support and good offices therein with the kingdom of Italy. And at that time, too, you know, people forget Mussolini was viewed as not just a dynamic personage, but something of a broker between great European powers who could be trusted on grounds that he was proceeding in position and he traveled. you know, him being cast as this evil buffoon came much later. But, you know, the Austrian National Socialist murdering Dolphus in, you know, like mafia style, that came close to resolving an utterly catastrophic circumstances. But in any event, I believe, after Hitler smoothed over the crisis with Mussolini, and he was returning from Rome.

Elmar shocked is greeting, reading Hitler, one of Hitler's adjutants. It wasn't called Wolf, but one of his military adjutants is with him. I think Gering's on deck and, and Hess. And shocked is like,

you know, pumping Hitler's hand with like a big smile on his face. It's like, well, I mean, he was greeting the furor and the Reich consler. It'd be like, you know, it's the equivalent of the chairman of the Fed shaking hands with Donald Trump

and declaring that that means that he loves Donald Trump you know there but that's to the fellow's point about um Jackson being an amateur you know um of a jurist

that was his big attempt at rebuttal is is uh blowing up that picture to poster size like see see the fuck out of here it's ridiculous you know but um As an aside, are you familiar with the book, The Psychology of Dictatorship by GM Gilbert? Yeah, I haven't read it, but I'm familiar with it.

Yeah, he's cited a lot in a certain category of academic literature. Yeah, he's the one who did the psychoanalysis of the Nuremberg places. A buddy of mine is republishing it because it's been out of print for a very long time, yeah. Yeah, no, that's, that's, that's great. It's very exciting that all this, all these sort of dormant publications are now being brought back into regular availability. I wasn't going to say a minute ago. I lost my train of thought. Sorry.

Oh, no, but I, I included one of the longest chapters in my book is about the individual defendants and how the case in chief against them was characterized. and what role they played within the narrative. You know, I mean, some of this is obvious. You know, Garing obviously was a stand in for Adolf Hitler because at one time he was the designated successor to the furor, but also Garing was a very outsized personage in every way. And, I mean, he was there. You know, I mean, that's why he didn't commit suicide until he wasn't going to,

he wasn't going to let the international military tribunal win, and he wasn't going to let him to let him be hanged. But, you know, that's what he told his wife. And that's what he told the other defendants, you know, that, you know, he had to defend, he had to defend the German Reich in court. He had to defend the record for posteri in the service of history, you know.

And it's remarkable like Gering turned things around, you know, but it's like Garing found himself. He became the old Gering. He became the Gearing who, you know, took command of Rick Toffin's squadron after Manfred Riktoffin was killed in action, you know. And, yeah, the really, really remarkable guy. You know, like I said, the anecdote of, you know, Earhart and Milch taking a beating, you know, to salute Gearing when they'd been estranged for a year.

You know, that goes to show the kind of respect that Gerey. that Gearing had reacquired, which is well placed. Yeah, the whole the whole thing is rather insane, you know, and, but that's why I wrote the book, you know,

I, uh, because it, it's very, very ill understood the subject matter is. And they agree to which that precedent characterized the conceptual environment and, uh, in turn colored praxis between the

superpowers and war and peace questions, albeit in a highly superficial capacity, but even if the declared rationale of an ideological culture and the imperatives they're in at war,

even if the state actor in question totally abandons those imperatives or doesn't abide them at all because they're absurd or if they're proceeding under those auspices, you know, at some point, the rationale takes on a life of its own, you know, and at some point the center cannot hold because there's no longer the conceptual vocabulary or aspects of them the zeitgeist to give context and proverbial life

to those imperatives, you know, that's when the things fall apart. And that's what's underway now. I mean, it's been underway for decades, but now it's underway in earnest. So, you know, like I said, I plan to be around for a minute. I'm not afraid to die, but I prefer not to yet. I'm enjoying myself, and I think there's some things I need to do, especially because I don't have kids, and I'm fine with that. You know, God decided I was to be a chaste soldier the apocalypse, but I do need to leave some kind of legacy,

so I need to get as much of this long-form stuff. out of my brain before, you know, I find myself deposited in the next world. And I started, I'm working on this steel storm novel. It's kind of adjacent. It's not a direct sequel. It's like an oblique. It's within the same universe. And it takes place several years before War Day in 1979.

And it's more kind of in the vein of Shane Stevens type. stuff, but a little bit more surreal, you know, and it's basically like the life of Billy Wong as he's gangbanging and ripping and running before he becomes a serial killer. And Cyril Larch is this Chicago PD, the detective's bureau guy. And as global security conditions approach World War III, Chicago PD becomes totally politicized. And he's still trying to be a homicide cop. and trying not to abide the new force structure and the federalization of all police elements. And there's this serial killer who is the,

who Billy Wong comes to develop a hero worship of called the Chicago Tribune brands into the Lincoln Park Ripper. And it's not, Cyril Lurish is slowly losing his mind. And I don't want to give away the denoumoire. but Cyrill Lurish at times in his drunken fugues become convinced that he himself might be a Lingen Park ripper like as he's investigating this case and refusing to let it lie despite being ordered to pursue essentially direct action against politicals you know like find elements particularly like black and Spanish elements you know and guys underarms in the street who are sympathetic to Warsaw Pact and murder them you know uh you He's obsessively stalking this killer who, again,

it really gets under the skin of young Billy Wong, as his sort of sick passions begin to take him over more and more. But it's called Steel Storm 1979. But in addition to that, I'm writing what I think of, the history of the old resistance as I think of it, and what its relationship is to, I don't want to term alt-right, because I think it's been very corrupted,

not just because legacy media seized on it, but, and I don't want to talk shit about people, because I like to think I'm above that. I mean, other than like our genuine ops and people who are total assholes, but I think Richard Spencer is genuinely a really shitty guy.

Like, I think he's like, he's like a really bad guy. He's, you know, and really perfidious and a real shit bag. And, of course,

that was a big part of his branding is, I'm the old right. so I don't like that term. Petty as that might seem. But I, whatever you want to call, the new resistance that really, I mean,

it was developing all really in earnest, I think, after from about 2008 onward, although the seed was sown before that. But obviously, like really reads Zenith around the, 2016 presidential election, but I'm trying to put that in context

and help people sort of understand what, some of the heritage of this stuff is, you know, and I did, I, to me, it's not purely academic. I mean, I did bear witness to a lot of this stuff, you know, and obviously, 1989 was a critical year, but 1990, 1992 was hugely important. You know, you had, like, March 91, those are the Rodney King incident happened, and racial tensions were reaching a fever pitch everywhere. And then the LA riots kicked off. And, you know, things were really, really bad, especially between, I mean, there was, there was kind of like diads between, you know, Asian people and black folks and Spanish people and blacks.

You know, and there was like, there was like multiple paradigines at work. But the, there was real like race war brewing between like white people and black folks, you know, in New York and L.A. and Chicago. It was really bad. and that that colored the perspective of a whole generation of partisans. And then there was, you know, and then Clinton and Barr, you know, Bush 41 in Barr, you know, they began targeting, you know, domestic extremists. And, you know, so Ruby Ridge happens in 92 very much at the behest of Barr, you know. And then when the Reno Justice Department gets a mandate, you know, it's go, go.

go against, you know, domestic terrorism. And so we were getting hit from all sides. You know, it was really a perfect storm of factors. And then, but then as the 90s war on, like Clinton got really, really hurt by the Star investigation. Ken Star was a, the whole concept of an independent council was problematic for all kinds of reasons. but it became clear to people that Clinton really was an evil person and incredibly corrupt personally,

you know, in addition to being a total deviant. And even though the effort to impeach him never had any legs, you know, he became a lame duck president. You know, so something like Waco would have been unthinkable if Clinton had been continuing to push that kind of war on terror 1.0, against domestic elements. You know, and then like 9-11 happened and that like changed everything. And then the regime forgot about us. And that was a weird time

because people were so focused on the international situation. Admittedly, they had propagandized and highly, you know, and very superficial and diminished understanding of the variables, but it totally altered people's conceptual horizon. and then, you know, by, even before 9-11, by like 97, 98, the, that kind of race war tension was, was just easing up, you know, and so, I mean, this is important, you know, because I think a lot of

people, and it's complicated, I'm not saying people are stupid, especially young people, who don't realize this, but I think people have this idea that it was this kind of like constant, steady state and there was nothing outside of the mainstream and in terms of partisan subcultures and stuff but then you know people got sick of woke stuff and just sort of like you know developed a quorum as it were around Donald Trump you know and then that set off the inner party so this this like right wing came about that's not what happened you know it goes way deeper than that and um there's a direct connection to what happened previously. So I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm,

the, the American, uh, resistance post, um, 945, you know, the first, uh, I basically look at it as, um, what came out of America first, you know, in silver shirts and, um, all those patriotic elements and, um, pro national socialist and pro-fascist elements, you know, and that developed into the old resistance in the eyes in our era. And then, you know, and there's a real concern. And one of the few really insightful things Rockwell wrote about in one of the, in one of the A&P publications of the day, these angry, disenfranchised guys coming back from Nam, there was real concern. They were going to ossify into some kind of free court. or something, you know, especially because, you know, the biker subculture then was actually

really dangerous. Yeah. I was a real thing. I was going to say boomers like playing Halloween. I was going to say bike a lot of those guys went right into biker gang, into biker clubs. It's motorcycle clubs. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

And the, um, and those guys are deeply insinuated. Like I want this, uh, this girl I knew a few years back, uh, she was way younger. Yeah, she was than me. She was like in her late 20s. and we were watching Gimme Shelter You know the Ultimae Speedway concert

Great Where the Hells Angels Like stabbed that black dude up That's history I mean that's a piece of history If you want to see history That's a great documentary Well she was acting like she's like

Why And she thought it was nuts Because you know She knows something about the The live music industry And she's like Who the hell would have bikers of security I'm like you don't understand

The Hells Angels Were those guys had real power In those days They had real clout They're like Henry, that movie, the Wild Angels, it's a Roger Coran movie. It's actually really dope. When it's Peter Fonda, or, yeah, it's Peter Fonda running around, and he's got, he's got, like, sea grooms on and an icerner and his croats. And he's, he's got like a swastick, a belt buckle and Bruce Derns in it.

But it, it's a, it's a Hollywood movie about like the Hells Angels are awesome. And, you know, like it, they had real clouds. So it wasn't weird for, especially with what was going on in LA. I mean, this was 69, yeah, 6970. You know, it wasn't 66, 67, but still, I mean, there's powder kick potential. It's like, okay, the hell's angels can, they can handle something like this. And, you know, they got, they got the, you know, back up in being on the ground in case things really jump off. But unfortunately, with the hell's angels in them days, if they felt threatened, they were just going to stand people up.

You know, like, they weren't, they weren't, they weren't going to zip tight their hands and mace them. They were going to fucking kill you, you know. But, uh, yeah, there was a real concern, uh, of those guys developing a political consciousness and like going all in. And, you know, then being like, you know, where, uh, you're going to, you're going to, you're going to try and, you're going to try and forcibly integrate, you know, a high school and our. in our hood, well, we've all been under fire on like your National Guard and toy soldiers, you know, let's get down. And that could have happened.

You know, it wasn't just a fantasy. And the core of a lot of the old resistance guys, like Lewis Beam, he was a warrant officer. He started out as a door gunner on a Huey crew and then I think he became a pilot. You know, he was, like, so many choppers were going down. The warrant officer

program was a big deal, you know, and war and officers could fly choppers. You know, he couldn't fly fixed wing, but, uh, and Lewis Beam, uh, he, uh, he, he, he,

he, he, paramilitarized the clan in Texas. And, uh, they basically went to war with, uh, these Vietnamese fishermen, who were undercutting, uh, you know, the, a lot of white Texans in the industry and,

so, I mean, there was real, uh, and then, of course, there was the, uh, there was the, the, the, the, the, the, Jonesboro shootout, you know, where the NSWPP clicked up with the Klan, which hadn't happened before. You know, they were like on the road tip, you know, which makes sense, you know. But it was Covington, who a weirdo that he was, like he wasn't a coward. You know, Covington, that was his, you know, and he showed up mob deep with the NSWPP when the

communist workers party. made it clear that they were going to attack the clan you know and they also the communist workers party that was that was a bunch almost exclusively Jewish

and a bunch of these people were like medical doctors and and like New York City lawyers they were they were absolutely I think they were getting money from NGOs affiliated with Beijing unlike Gus Hall in fact I'm sure of it

but they really were a communist proxy they weren't playing you know and they they were trying to union He's black textile workers, you know, and basically insinuated radical Maoist consciousness into the union mandate. And a lot of the foreman at these textile mills were Klan guys. So they started targeting these guys for violence. You know, so like when Kavanaugh heard about it, he's like that we're not going to let they happen.

And so the National Socialist, white people's party guy showed up like a, said mob deep. And the Communist Workers Party they got fucking got man, you know,

they definitely bit off something that they did not like the taste of. But, you know, and then, of course, too,

there's this, there's this laughable truth and reconciliation commission convened, I think, and, uh, is a,

20th anniversary, which would have been 99. And, of course, they presented it, uh, as a, some sort of conspiracy,

where, oh, these, these, these, these clan guys and these national socialists, they, they murdered these, you know, these community activists and, and, and this racist jury letting go away with it. It's like, this is a, this is a case of mutual combat, if there ever was one. You know, the fact, the fact that the commies lost, I mean, you know, you don't, you're not, you're not entitled to, you're not entitled to a homicide verdict against your ops if you, if you, if you lose a firefight. You know, but, uh, that reminds me. I mean, obviously that was post now. It reminds me the pogroms in Russia. Jewish revolutionary Marxists would rise up and as soon

as they got their ass kicked by the black hundreds, they'd scream pogroms and get articles written about them in the German newspaper. Yeah, yeah. Killin 20,000 of them. Yeah, you know, we're just, we're just, we're just, we're just peace-loving telem with scholars and

these Cossacks and these anti-Semites They just came and murdered us for no reason at all. But no, that incident had a huge impact on the way the regime proceeded against the old resistance. And, you know, so there's a lot of heroes that I'm getting at. And I'm hoping a lot of these guys are dead, including Covington, unfortunately. But, you know, I do through my friend Damon, we haven't talked to in a minute. I know I'm a text of a phone call. He's tight with Aaron Taylor.

You know, and R.N. Taylor and his wife are just incredible fucking people, man. He treated us, me and, uh, my, my guy Anders. He's like, he's like the six and a half foot tall, like, Sweeley, like, legit looks like a Viking. So, like, he was a big hit. I mean, he's, like, a really classy dude. And he's like, you know, everybody likes him.

But, yeah, it's me, Damon, Wyatt, and Anders. and they insisted we stay for dinner and his wife cooked up this incredible, like pot roast. It was just, you know, fantastic. But, you know, Taylor, he's had a crazy life, man. And he, he clicked up with Robert DePue because Taylor was a Chicago guy.

And, you know, he was ripping and running, you know, back when the west side had, you know, like an island of white ethnic hoods. And he clicked it with Robert DePue, who was the hanscho or the original Minuteman organization. It's got nothing to do with like the later Minutemen and run by that Chomo who were like, we're going to police the Mexican border, like nothing to do with that at all. But DePue was a total psycho. And he tried to murder Taylor ultimately.

He drove by his house, his parents' house here in Chicago and like opened fire on the house. And thank God, like nobody was hurt. you know and that's uh that's when taylor's like okay i i got to go underground he's like i got the fbi in chicago pd up my ass and now i got the pew and these maniacs trying to like shooting at my fucking parents you know but he but he is it be as it may i don't taylor's elderly you know he's about my father's age and he's not in great health um so i i i've been meaning to go visit him with damon and and take down some of his oral history just anyway just because because he's a dude he got a lot of respect for,

and I think that's important. But also, that'd be a huge help for this manuscript. And there's some other guys, and that's why I tried to track down Linderall. So, I mean, I wanted to talk to Alex anyway,

because I, I didn't talk to him in like 10 fucking years. I, I should have kept out. It wasn't some kind of open secret that he died, I guess. I should have,

I was so kind of immersed on my own stuff. I, you know, it's easy to kind of, despite how connected we are and kind of partisan circles and through, new media, you get very much kind of like leaves track of people and, and their entire sort

sphere of activity. But the reason I wanted to reach out to Alex, it wasn't just because I, I wanted him to come on the pod. There were some things about the world situation I wanted to talk to him about. But I also was hoping I could get him to go on record, you know, with, you know, some testimony relating to this other project. But we'll see, man. I've got to think about who I should approach here.

one of the much as I don't like Ameren American Renaissance I do like Kevin Deanna He's a fucking prince You know And he's He's our friend

And uh I might suck it up And go to Amarin Next time they do A little powwow Because uh There are some guys there Like Brad Griffin

Brad Griffin's Uh He's a few years younger than me But he's like He's like an old head also But he knew He I think he actually knew Covington

like they collaborated on stuff you know and there's some other guys like they especially some of the southern dudes and there's actually a cool-ass dude i met uh like this huge guy like he looks like a fucking grizzly bear or something but he's like this kind of like bookish intellectual like Alabama guy like big national socialist so he kind of like bonded over that i think you might have met him here's that like very tall like very kind of i'm not being mean he was kind of like a very tall very fat guy with like a big beard um i don't i i don't know if you met him or not but he uh i don't want to name name check him because I don't know how public or private he uh you know that there's a handful of guys who show up at amaran who i think it'd be worth talking to who could probably contribute testimony that would be fruitful but you know regardless i i mean i'm going to i'm writing it anyway you know but i put a premium on direct testimony and i think that's in part because my education was as a lawyer but I also, if you're talking about, if you're talking about a political movement and the practice they're in

and the impact on the conceptual environment and things, it's essential to have direct testimony, but I, you know, I think I'm optimistic about this manuscript that's Anilip Hill is busily printing now. So when revenues from NASA are coming in, And that should basically, that should do a long way in, like, funding what I need to do to write this other book. So I'm hoping to kind of get into a pattern where I kind of am always working on a long-form project. And when one gets published, as revenue comes in from that, it can, like, fund the next one.

You know, but I think this is important anyway, this subject matter. But I also think it's a good complement piece to the Nureberg system book because the latter is so very, very, abstract and conceptual. I think it's well placed to, you know, produce something that deals with a very concrete aspect of direct action and things like that. You want to hit up some questions? Yeah, Kevin is great. Yeah, Kevin is great.

He's just an incredibly cool. You want to hit up a question? We had a couple questions earlier. I'm not going to, I'm not going to say his name, but he said, could you expand on the relationship, if any, between the RAF and Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, and the Splinter PLO cadres? Well, yeah, there was read the old Derveg newspaper that was published in Argentina until Peron

was removed from office. The National Socialist resistance considered Daril Islam to be an essential loci and the primary battle space contra Judea, you know, in the decades following the day of defeat. So Otto Reamer was spent many years in Syria. Carl Wolf did as well and was instrumental in modernizing infantry doctrine, the Syrian army. Johann von Leers served in the court of Nasser. you know, he then converted to Islam and became, it took on the name Omar Amin. You know, examples are legion.

Also, the Islamic world was Axis allied. You know, there was a Palestinian element of the Vafan SS, the Arab Legion. You know, obviously there was Hanzar. There was the Aust legions. there was a huge effort in substantial measure I'm in a senior moment the hell was his name

it'll come to me one of the one of the major personages who had very much benefited from the patronage of Paul Hauser he made a personal mission to mobilize Muslim populations on the Soviet frontier

and also building imam schools dedicated to an Islamic understanding of national socialism and cadre building within Islamic populations. You know, the Dar al-Islam was as allied with the Axis powers as the Empire of Japan was. Okay. And again, by after 967, really the primary, the primary battle, active battle space of the Cold War, war was the near-eustrified Palestine, the Levant, and beyond, you know, and the understanding was that of the national socialists and adjacent elements, you know, on the right European liberationists, you know, Latin American, fascist, national socialists, Islamic revolutionaries,

as well as secular Arabist elements and Arab national socialists. The understanding was that not only was the mission of Israel to create a greater racial state that would be facilitated by the annihilation of populations deemed hostile, you know, Jordanians, Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, but that the Jewish state, it gave, it gave Zionism and the Jews of the people power at international affairs in a direct military capacity. and that wasn't as incredibly dangerous. And one of the, Israel is considered by its advocates and by secular Zionists to literally be the political iteration of the Jews as a people. That was the rationale for kidnapping Eichmann and taking him to Israel because the state of Israel,

it's the instantation of the Jewish people, as a political actor as well as their the representative of the Jewish race within the international system like literally that's the way they look at it so and obviously the entire

state of Israel it's premised on a kind of special pleading and a naked moral exceptionalism and owing to the fact that the near east was such a key battle theater of the Cold War this led to a situation where these radical Zionists could manipulate the psychological environment, you know, really

according to ideological whim. And owing to the Truman Doctrine and other Cold War realities, America, which, you know, was completely dominant over the territory and people of the Western world, had essentially signed on unconditionally with the Zionist cause. So that represented a global. Zionist tyranny. Okay, so it's obvious what the implications were and are.

Plus two, Islamic cultures are complicated. And I'm something of, I'm something of an ecumenical guy. As I think people know, I like I. I have something of an amateur anthropologist. I'm interested in race. I'm interested in Ednaus. I'm interested in confessional heritage and sectarian orientation. So I spent a lot of time around non-white people

quite literally studying them. sounds condescending, I'm sure, but, you know, and part of, I'm a minority where I'm at, pretty much always, unless I'm at church, which is fine. But, you know, you can't, you can't paint Islam with some broad brush. There's a billion Muslims of all races, you know, there's Muslims who are as white as I am. Okay. I mean, I mean, they're, they're in Eastern people. But if you look at, at the landmark, there's this Bosniak girl who's a waitress there, she's got the coloring that I do You know, she's she like not a white person

Because she's a Sunni Like I, you know So there's um You can't you can't paint a billion people With with some singular brush You know, perubially speaking But also there's a lot There's a lot to esteem within Islam

It's very alien I think I think white men who convert to Islam The exception being a guy like Von Leerz or a guy like Guillaume, if you truly go native because you're you're a philologist, you're like an obsessed philologist and

you spend 40 years, you know, living among the Arabs. That's different. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about some guy who is kind of looking at his status, a relationship with God and the divine, and he just decides to convert to Islam. I think that's strange.

Like I'm not, if he's truly being called to worship, that way. I'm not going to sit here and say mean things, but I believe, which is the conventional belief historically, different races and, and civilizational paradigms, you know, God reveals logos to the different races and in discrete ways that they can understand and that abide, you know, their, their, their conceptual orientation and things. You know, so to, me, Islam is very oriental. You know, it's not a white man's faith.

I guess, again, it's not to say that, you know, Bosniaks aren't white or something, but culturally, they are in Eastern people, too. They still, uh, the Bosniaks right. And, like, um, they, they, they, they use the Western alphabet in, like, day-to-day government business, but a lot of Bosniaks still write an Arabic script. And not just as a liturgical thing, you know, it's their, they're an Eastern coded people. but there was you want to try another question before we

before we get out of here yeah yeah Mondo Spam said have you ever explored the impact of Columbine at least before 9-11 overshadowed it I have found the whole subject of in particular event of the particular event intriguing due to his legacy and its myths

yeah no I I did a whole deep dive into it years back and Nick Ters it was something of a nut and he's a big lefty, but he wrote this really fascinating book called Shoot Anything That Moves. It's about the logic of the free fire zone in Vietnam and the Strategic Handlet Program. And he coded a huge amount of data that reveal a very fact or heavy picture of what the Department of Defense and the USR and Vietnam.

you know, these variables that inform their entire doctrinal perspective. He wrote extensively on Columbine, and Columbine was very strange and very, very misunderstood and very much propagandized. And yeah, it stands apart as a school shooting. Among other reasons, because it wasn't intended to be a school shooting. Cleveland and Harris, they constructed an IED out of propane tanks and shrapnel that they'd, you know, screws basically like pipe bomb shrapnel, but, you know, like buckets of it. And the way Columine High School was structured, there was a lunch hour where like the underclassmen were like leaving the caveteria and the upperclassmen were like leaving the caveteria and the upperclassmen were. we're going to the caveteria.

So Harris the math nerd, he determined that at a particular moment, maximum human density, would be within this corridor leading to the caveteria. So his notion was we blow up this IED that we made and, you know, we wait outside and take cover behind our cars.

And as survivors run out, like we, you know, we clip the survivors. And then when it didn't, go off. Harrison Cleveland are like, what the fuck? So they realized too that

some teacher or some staff member was like, had noticed the bomb that was like poking around at it. So then they're just like, okay, just like go. We're just like shoot as many kids as we can. You know, and it, um, but it's also too, uh, you know, Cleveland.

Cleveland's mom is just like, like really creepy cunt. It was like decided to like make a career out of, like a clout career out of the fact that she's killing Cleveland's mom like really sick stuff but she's also she's also he was obviously the brains of this she's also a member of the tribe of course but that's where I'm going with this so I apologize clebold was obviously the mastermind of this he obviously was the the motivating factor like Harris was kind of a limited guy his dad was a an Air Force major his mom like worked for a catering company but it's like this evil single pith

like goyish Eric Harris. You know, he, he led this sensitive boy astray. It's like, get the fuck out of here. But, um, plus you,

Columbine, uh, Colorado, um, that, uh, Littleton community has something wrong with it. Like,

I don't mean to Michael Morley, like, you know, military's a man. I mean, there's something wrong there. And like, no one's actually from there.

And, um, there was this weird, uh, there was this like weird, corny mega church that a bunch of the victims went to, you know, uh,

there's something, there's like a lack of fellow feeling there that was almost kind of caricatureish. You know, it's like the kind of, the sociological factors, it's like something that the Soviets would have drawn to be like, see, this is like, you know, America's just a shopping mall where nobody cares about their fellow man and all they care about is, you know, status and keeping up with the Joneses. That really is like a little, you know, and that is something to do with it. You know, like the North Shore has real pathologies. Like I told you, growing up, when I was a little kid, like my, my schoolmate and my buddy, his dad murdered his mom. And we knew it. It was obvious. We'd talk about it openly.

And like the police didn't just like let him get away with it. Like awful stuff like that happens here. But you'd never see a school shooting on the North Shore. It wouldn't happen because the dynamics aren't there for it. Like people are too interconnected, you know? Something like, how am I going to only happen in a place that, like, no one's actually, a place where, like, no one is actually from? Yeah, you need a deracinated community.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Rob Palmer, I agree to chicken in Islam. Yeah, it's, uh, it's important, man. And plus, I just, I like Muslims and like a lot of, you know, they're, they're my friends, you know, and, um, I break bread with them, you know, uh, I mean, the, the, political isn't personal. I mean, for the tragedy of war in peace is, you may be forced to kill people who, who you like, you know, I mean,

which is, which sucks. Not to be flipping about it. But I, this idea, I can tell of these people who rail against Islam. They, they don't know anything about it. And they haven't been around these people. Or it's like they're,

they're in the UK and there's some like half-retarded Pakistani repo, who's like never set foot in a mosque who ended up there, like incident to the kind of ongoing like ethnic cleansing program under auspices of refugeeism. And they're like, yeah, Islam, you know, like, that'd be like me saying, like, it's the Catholic Church that sent these Venezuelans here that were, like, fucking everything up. You know, like, it's, it's like that level

of, of ignorance, but, you know, like I said, I, there's, um, there's some races I like a lot more than others, okay, um, but there's, um, there's a lot, there's a lot to admire in Islam and, you know, like I said, I, I, I am very much a man of the West. I mean, I, the West, when down at Stalingrad in historical terms. But, you know, if you're a heritage American, especially if you are reformed and you have southern cultural roots, you're in kind of an odd position historically. But as much as one can be, I am very much a man of the West.

But again, I'm a minority on the ground right now, and I'm something of an Orientalist. And I find other races interesting. and also essential to understanding. You know, if you take race seriously, you know, you develop a respect for it as a criteria and as a human characteristic.

You know, if you're going to like flippantly disrespect people categorically, that's not a manly thing to do. It's, it's kind of like bitchy and faggy, but it's also it, it means you don't, it means you don't actually respect race as a quantity

because you wouldn't be trivial about it. it. I think when you're when you're the victim of a social engineering regime, it's very easy for you to start studying race and then only want to concentrate on the differences. Yeah, that too. That too. Yeah. And it, yeah, but also I, you know, eventually, maybe this will be the third book. You know, when I say I'm, I'm ethically, you know, a national socialist. You know, I, that's one of the, you know, that's one of the, reasons they got interested in Islam, you know, because there are orientalist aspects of national socialism. That's where people like Johann von Lears came from. You know, Carl Wolf's daughter ended up being this big Islamic scholar. That's not an accident either. You know, and if you're, I realize Julius Evela himself, I've always been more personally over an Egyon, but

Julius Evela had a huge impact on my thinking. More than almost any other political writer except maybe a Heidegger um Francis Pergayevich but you know your Chopinauer was a huge orientalist but my point being if you understand

national socialism and the perennial doctrines that underlie it and not you know and you understand the historically contingent aspects of the NSDP and the German Reich but you know that said there there were in our perennial aspects that are

timeless and you know no real national socialist just has some categorical disdain for the Orient, quite the contrary. You know, like, nor does he divide the world and, like, oh, there's the white people and the non-white people. No. That's not a thing to shake out, obviously.

But people don't really understand national socialism. They think it's a meme, or they think it's, or they think it's like Johnny Rebel stuff, but with, you know, and I sent his cruise or something. I don't mean to be abrupt, but I got to, speaking to the Antelope Hill guys, I got to record with our friends, Taylor and Kurt from Annulap Hill, right about an hour, and I need to get myself some time to like chill and decompress and kind of get my thoughts together. But I'm going to try and upload that like a couple hours after we recorded. So I got, I got dinner plans too, a couple friends of ours just at the landmark after that.

So, what I'm getting is, like, I got a lot going on today. I don't seem to probably like I don't really do shit, but I actually do a lot of shit, man. Like, I mean, at least for me, I'm lucky, man. Like, I can, you know, make my own schedule and reason. But I want to make sure, I want to make sure that my thoughts are together for this, this pod episode. Yeah, thank you, man. I'll hitch you up by text later today or to. I mean, we always keep up in the chat, but I'll hit you guys.

up later today or tomorrow. I'm recording it bird in tomorrow morning, but after that, I'm going to be basically available. But yeah, and thank you, subs. I really appreciate the fact that you've made this weekly stream pop.

And yeah, I'll throw this up on the substack when it finishes processing all that. Yeah, all right, be good people. And thank you, Pete. Thank you, Thomas. Take care. Yeah, man.