The Pete Quiñones Show - Live with RealThomas777 -07/09/26

Episode Date: July 10, 2026

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The Patriot front guys, they post up in D.C. over the fourth. There's like a show of forest, it seems. They weren't raising hell or anything. But if you're going to have a public profile, let's do it. It would you do it? You remind me, obviously, you know, in a scaled down way, you know, the UDA in 72, they posted up like several thousand deep on the shankle. Just to show they were capable of returning the serve, you know,

they're like, we got people mobilized. And I like the Patriot front guys. They've always been cool to me, you know. Yeah, me too, man. Yeah, they've, I've, um, yeah, I've met Thomas. He seemed like a really cool dude and, uh, all the other dudes were really respectful and really very nice. Yeah, yeah.

That's been my experience too. And I think I, I I think there's going to be everything's going to be a mass crackdown or return to the Clinton era type of harassment of our peoples in the next administration

but I think things are going to there isn't going to be something of a crackdown and it's these kinds of shows of strength are important because we got to return to serve and not let something like 2021 happen ever again. I'm a fatic about that.

And I realize people were still kind of finding their way back then, but there's no excuse for allowing that to happen. And if these proxies are Sorosink or the regime itself on the attack, in a defensive capacity that's above board and can be demonstrated as self-defense, like these fuckers got to be smashed you know

um one thing that separates us from the conservatives is I mean asserves are pieces of shit but they're also a bunch of pussy you sit around and whine that they're not getting police protection anytime anything jumps off and that's some fucking bullshit just to give you a perfect just to give you a perfect example of how

out of touch conservatives are the the Patriot front guys wearing masks they conservative will immediately go oh so these guys are just Antifa, right? It's like, fuck you, dude. The rules, whatever you complain about the other guy, when you do it, it's not wrong.

You can, you could say, oh, you should unmask these Antifa fuckers and, you know, and crack down on them and still say your guys can mask. You can have a double standard. Go fuck yourself, you pieces of shit. they're the same faggots who when loyalists on the ground were ejecting refugees you know you got a you got a mask up

I mean in northern Ireland I mean that was a surveillance state before this kind of thing became the norm so always always like race trader cuts like these guys are coward that's like so I'm a coward but I don't like invite myself to be arrested like how does that work

you know like yeah I'll take direct action. My community's under attack and I'll make sure to like hold up my ID and like make sure that like the camera gets my face so I can be arrested. Then I, then guys in the internet won't say I'm a pussy or something.

I guess you're like a real man if you get arrested. I don't want to understand where that works, but these people really are. They're just judiized pieces of shit. I swear they will do like when I got arrested. Yeah. And admittedly, I deserve to get arrested. So I was doing like criminal shit.

There's no. he was for it. I didn't feel like a bad ass for getting arrested. I felt like a fucking dummy because like if you had if you have a jail, you're being a dummy. You're not like I'm a real man. I got arrested. Like only cowards don't get arrested. Yeah. I've never understood that logic. But um, well, I've, I've never understood the logic of holding of holding your people to the same, you know, to the same standard as like the enemy. You know, It's like, like, Antifa aren't my ops because they mask up.

I don't care if they dress up like Colonel Sanders. I don't give a fuck what they wear. But the fact of the matter is, you know, you're taking direct action and you're flagrantly violating the law. Well, you're kind of a dummy man if you're not wearing a bandit rag. You know, I mean,

this is, this is kind of like one-on-one stuff. I don't, it's like saying, I don't like Antifa because they have indoor plumbing. So, oh, if you're right winged and you have a toilet,

you're a piece of, shit. Antifa has toilets. Okay, man, nice arbitrary criteria there. But, you know, yeah. But no, it was good. I'm hoping when my actual travel season kicks off again in the fall, I want to make it a point to index more directly with the Patriot front guys,

especially because I'm trying to monitor. mobilize my own thing. And I'm not about going around trying to poach other people's ranks because that's grimy. But, you know, I do want to connect with people who are actually reliable allies and have a mobilization strategy. But, you know, I, probably for my health, but probably get summertime, it's not really time to do it. You know, I kind of rest stuff from spring to summer. although I am going to Grand Rapids for the weekend at the end of the month to check on our peoples up there. And I'm looking forward to that because I like Michigan.

You know, like I went up to Detroit in early this year and that was great. But I never went to Grand Rapids, but it looks really nice. And I'm taking the train up and I like the fact that the Amtrak serves more local. regions these days. I'm a big fan of I'm a big fan of trains. Like I realize it sounds like autistic and stuff and maybe it is, but I like riding trains and it's chill and

the porters actually treat irrespectfully. And, you know, it's a pleasant experience, man. Well, also, it, um, it's, it's kind of expensive. So it basically clears out, um, you know, a certain class of people. people. Yeah, it's definitely cut up the Greyhound. And don't mean, I'm not trashing the hound. The Greyhound's so cheap that actually facilitates a lot of my travel season, otherwise wouldn't be able to afford it.

But yeah, you probably, you probably sell the steered airlines elements on the Antrach. Ian Mack is asking Rex for reading about the Gestapo and the Reich Main Security Office. Yeah, the seminal book on the Shustafel is a high. Hines-Hones, Order of the Deathshead, start there. I got, it's not, I don't know, yeah, I don't have it handy, and I can't remember the author, but there's this, there's this three-volume set. It's the seminal treatment on the policy of the general government. on racial matters.

It's exhaustive, and it's not an explicitly revisionist text, but because it's mostly original source of documents with some addendums and ancillary notes by the author, you know, it doesn't present a narrative in it beyond was plainly stated, and if you're a student of the subject matter, you should be able to interpret that accordingly. And like I said, I can't, remember the names of the editors, but if you remind me of, oh, come up with that done in the signal chair or whatever.

But Rita, Heinz-Hung's book. Yeah, Rob Hunter of the Train Trail was romantic. Yeah, it sure is, man. I was, apropos and nothing, when I was feeling really sick, I was cycling through a lot of movies because that's something I do. And, you know, if you're running a fever, it's hard to fall. on reading stuff. So one of the old movies I watched was Horror Express.

You know, the old, and like we've talked, I think, the other week about there's some stupid riff on it that we were talking about AI and stuff. But in any event, the actual Hammer Horror film, Christopher Lee, is awesome. And it's basically murder on the Orient Express, but with like a science fiction, alien horror aspect.

and I was not the Orient Express was an incredibly cool concept and I guess obviously there's no longer an Orient Express that goes you know the original went from Paris to

Istanbul and then later on again Kara and then the line they'd call the Orient Express until the early 2000s or something and it originated I think in Dusseldorf but it stopped in Romania or something.

You know, it was like a fraction of the actual distance. But there's some high-end tourist company that's, that's trying to bring it back. But I'm sure it's like something only like expensive, like Rich Ulster is going to afford. I'm glad it's coming back. Yeah, I don't go ahead. I remember when the Euro rail was actually cheap to ride.

You can just go over. there and pretty much country hop but now it's that even that's gotten expensive because i think they sold it off to like some fucking um you know it's probably like a bunch of the the railways in england are now privately owned by like you know jewish money europe it's like it's cheaper i think carl benjamin was saying it's cheaper to fly from like birmingham to like madrid than it is to ride the train from Birmingham to London. Yeah, when I was, this was 30 years ago, but when I was hopping around Europe, yeah, it had to have been cheap because that's how we were getting around.

And I, I took the chunnel both ways, which I found fascinating and kind of eerie, because that truly is an engineering marveled me. And, you know, you're literally going under the fucking ocean. And, uh, and you go fast. So, like, you're, and I remember they had, uh, It was a bunch of, we ended up, it was like a bunch of Frenchies going home, you know, like a bunch of pretty girls. So, uh, we were like drinking beers with them and trying to get nice to these girls. And then there was these like really gross, weird, uh, Texans, like this guy and his wife who were like riproaring drunk.

And like, I think they were like some kind of like swingers or something. It was just, they were just like gross people. Like, I vividly remember that. And, uh, so me and my buddy, um, who was my. college roommate um we kind of recused ourselves with these chicks and this dude we met in a i remember just like looking out the window and seeing like the the tunnel blasting by i'm like this like fucking science fiction man you know um and uh but yeah i i remember like i we because we hopped over we were on the con in for a few weeks then like the last couple weeks were there like we went to the

UK, but then we were flying out of the Amsterdam. So we had to go back to the continent. So I wrote it like two times. Then on the continent, I was hopping a little bit of place. And, you know, it's not like I had a lot of money on me. So yeah, it must have been cheap. But that was also they, you know, that was, that was, that was, um, Maastricht, uh, treaty era when they were, uh,

the notion of the EU was like integration. They were trying to plug that like, oh, it's so easy to hop across national frontiers now. like there was there was still the national currencies like I came home with like a bag like eat different currencies because like you know the euro hadn't come in yet but it had been passed you know

so they were just like waiting to implement but um yeah it was uh I took the bus from across a bunch of countries too and I remember there was this uh genuine cockney driving the bus was a hilarious dude, you know, and, you know, I've, I've been riding the Greyhound, you know,

since I was, like, 19. So I, uh, and I met some Greyhound drivers were a pretty funny guys. It's mostly, uh, you meet a lot of Southern guys, like white dudes and, and black guys driving the hound. It's interesting. You don't, you don't find so many immigrants, you know, but, um, yeah, I remember vividly this, this Tockney dude driving the bus. It was a, full of a he had a lot of dirty jokes that were really funny the past the time

but um and I remember in the middle of Belgium like one of the rest stops um we stopped one of the rest stops had like a Mickey D's

and there was some like local fast food restaurant that was closed the Mickey D's open you know something like no shit so I remember I went in there and um they didn't speak any English

that's probably changed now but um I uh I remember I didn't really know what it were and um but I did get some fries

in the game of this like weird burger with a pineapple on it and it wasn't very good and it didn't taste like Mickey D's you know and uh I'm like okay like thumbs down because at least here like unless you're in the hood

pretty much every Mickey D's is the same and I know that I've got kind of proletarian taste in some ways like you know I pretty much much I'm trying to drink PDR. And when I'm on the road, I like Mickey D's hamburger. So I'll get

plain Mickey D's hambers and a coffee because McDonald's plain burgers and coffee are pretty good, man. And I'll die in that hill. But this Belgian Mickey D's was gross and weird. You know, I think they do that on purpose too, because

you always are like, you're not to go food. They probably like keyed on it or something and to make it taste bad deliberately. So I probably ate some peber. You haven't lived until you walked into a Mickey Dees that has beer taps on the counter. Yeah. Well, what I miss, man,

it was a crime that they fucking torn on the Rock and Olin'O McDonald's. Like, after EniCard order that will have to be fucking shot. So now, instead of the Rock and All McDonald's, it's like this cube that looks like a bank or something. It's really weird. I still go there now and again, especially

late at night. And a nice nights there's like this huge uh like common area outside we got benches it's still like mobbed with people like hood rats like bums like drunk college kids tourists and just like randos or like local like me and then that can that can be fun um but it's still not the same but you know back in the day Mickey D's had brained their own way and like one of the ones by my house as a kid and a tiki theme which is awesome and like some of them had like a space theme And, of course, too, the greatest volatile ad campaign was Mac Tonight. Like, when I was in junior high, you know, that's when, like, the Moon Man was, like, the mascot briefly.

And he'd sing this variant of Mac the Knife, but it was Mac Tonight. I remember, like, that summer, I was, like, 12 or 13 years old. Like, if you bought a, if you bought a value meal, you could get, like, a Mac Tonight hat for, like, another, like, $1.50. It's like, I bought that hat. And like I had it for years, man. And somehow like I lost track of it. But I was a huge fan of Mac tonight, man. Like he was an elegant motherfucker, you know?

And it was just cool. That's when advertising, you have like real filmmakers who get to start in advertising and stuff, you know. I was thinking David Fincher. He's known for directed music videos. But I think like his first, first efforts were making commercials. and um I saw nobody Cameron about that not long ago because uh

he's got a good eye for that kind of stuff and he's kind of like an amateur film guy but he uh in his opinion he's about 10 years younger than me but he's got a good sense of sort of media history and in the early 90s

commercials are really wild you know everything the weirdest like the Sega and TermoG 16 commercials, but even like commercials for jeans and stuff. You know, and then there'd be, there's that one crazy commercial, like deer commercials reached like this crazy zenith.

Like, remember, um, like bud dry, which was a shitty beer. But they had these like wild commercials. You know, it, uh, there was real innovation there. Um, it's interesting. The, um, that's something somebody should write.

Some, some academic type who's in media studies should produce something on the death of the beer commercial because that was that was a fixture of like American media man you know for like for 20 years

JBG is asking if you've ever been to Culver's yeah I the Milwaukee dudes here I love Culver's I don't know why I'd never really eaten there because you know they were big Wisconsin chain but then they started opening here.

And on the way back from Nashville, the Milwaukee dudes, I rode with them. We had a great time. You know, and on the way back, they're like, yeah, we're stopping at Culver's because, you know, they love Culver's. And I asked Culver's, I'm like, do you guys have BLTs? And the girls like, no, but I'll make you one. And I'm like, that's awesome. so she made me a BLT man

and I threw them like an extra 10 bucks you know pretty trouble but we got a bunch of they're opening in Alabama we just had one open about a half hour

from us I used to go to one in Auburn no I'm a huge fan man just for that simple fact you know when I I got to be careful when I put in my guts not to be like gross or T.

my, but then I mean, this is like the fact. And so I haven't tried their burgers yet because I don't know how that's going to turn out. That's not only these eight DLTs because they always agree with me, you know. But, no, I'm, I've become a huge fan of Clovers for that, man. And I like everything about Wisconsin, man, you know, and I like the people there. I, when I was a teenager in my first year or two in college, this Croat dude and his sister, who I was tight with, you know, who I went to high school with. Their family, they were like big outdoorsy people, you know, like a lot of croasaur.

Up in Black River Falls, they had this little like hunting and fishing cab. And we'd go up there, you know, for the summer on weekends, man. And like sometimes like we'd take chicks up there and stuff. But, you know, it was a blast, man. You know, just hang out on the deck, you know, drink. in cold beer and you know, you can go fishing and stuff. And yeah, I've always liked Wisconsin. And of course, Wisconsin Del's was one of my mom's very favorite places.

My mom, God rest of her soul, she never adapted to the Midwest. She couldn't handle it. She couldn't handle the cold. She was just like a, she was like a California surfer chick man, you know. But she wanted Wisconsin Del's. So we'd find her way Wisconsin Del's on the regular. Wisconsin-Dells remains a bastion of Americana, like roadside weird Americana that, you know, you don't really find anymore. But no, Wisconsin is dope, man.

That's why I'm stuck to go to the Milwaukee event in a couple months, which is the weekend of my birthday. And so that should be a fun weekend. And like I said, I'll buy the 15th. I'll have details posted up for my party and stuff. I've determined that about two months out for planning anything is the sweet spot. People's memory beyond that, they forget about it, and like, shorter notice is too short. But yeah, yeah, it's, um, I think Culver's took their, I mean, I don't know.

I don't really know the deep lore of the brand, but I do know that a chick-fil-a, they made a big deal about the customer service experience and stuff, and that's what people really like about it. Like, don't be wrong, their food's not bad, you know. It's perfectly good. But the main reason people like it isn't because the food is the best. They like it because, you know,

there's an actual environment tailored to customer service and stuff. And, you know, it's a consistency of quality. The funniest story. You know the Brookstone stores in the mall? Yeah. I don't know if they still do this, but I had a friend who was like a general manager with them. They used to give people personality tests and they would only hire people who had personalities like Patrick Bateman from fucking American Psycho. I don't doubt it. So it's like if you ever walked into one of those places, it was like, I mean, they were just on you. And it was just like, you know, you're like, is everyone coked up in here?

What the fuck is going on? Plastic people. Yeah, yeah. The, uh, I remember, uh, the retail and the Brickin order retail environment was weird, man. And the people have forgotten that because it's, it's gone extinct. But the, the mall was kind of a weird place. and I don't have the same nostalgia. A lot of extras do for the mall

because it just wasn't that fucking cool. But I miss Orange Julius because Orange Julius is awesome. And there's a Dairy Queen by me that you can get an Orange Julius if you ask for one, which is awesome. Let me guess the Dairy Queen is fucking owned by Jets. No, this one is not.

Real? Yeah, this place has been here longer than I've been a lot. So it's been in like the same family and shit. In the South of all my jeats. Yeah. And as a, there's not many around here.

There's this one. There's one that's only open seasonally. Over by Loyola High School by 94 and Lake Evan. What's really dope is this is ice cream place in Glenview right across from Glenview Light. They're only open for the, They're open from April to, like, Labor Day. And they're, like, old school, like, soft serve ice cream and Sundays.

It's right across from Glenview Library. And I used to do a lot of work there on stuff. So I always go there in the summer and get an ice cream. And it's just, like, this family business run by these, like, you know, regular local, like, wife folks. But it's my reason I like my town, man. You know, like I said, the landmark. I don't know do I like

is literally a landmark and I remember it from like decades back although it's been like reskin but it's like these local Greek people who run it

you know like it and um but the dude who owns that's whole younger than me but like he went to my high school you know like it that's I won't

it's like Anthony Romundo said it's like these people are people are full of shit because it's like you'll be like watch YouTube comments of any of these sort of like neighborhoody tourist people

people do like some guy they'll like you'll take a tour of like bensonhurst say for example some like famous italian restaurant that cops you like man like the chinese ruined benson hers it's like yeah motherfucker because like you and all your friends all your parents like sold your fucking house to some chinese like nobody made you do that you know okay so i mean fucking a that is you know it's like oh black rock black rock's buying up all the houses you don't sell your fucking house to black rock you greedy motherfuckers well yeah exactly And it's like, so it's like, let me get this straight. So you sold your house or like you sold your restaurant to some like Pagit asshole or

there's some like fucking hedge fund scammer. Then you move to some like nowhere town in Florida so you can go golfing and marry some like ugly Chinese woman as your trophy wife. And you know, man, it sucks the old neighborhood's not the same. It was like, yeah, because like you dickhead. Yeah. Like you're the reason. I always said.

You know, so. Yeah. If I was, if I was king, boomers would have to give up one of the following. They'd have to give up their social security, their Asian wife, or their love of Israel, and just make their heads explode. But their Asian wives have to be, like, unbelievably ugly. They can't possibly be attractive. And you've got, like, swagger around, like, you're with, like, Melania Trump or something. But, you know, look at, like, a Asian wife.

Her face looks like a shovel. Are you jealous? Like, uh, but no, I, and I'm talking some shit, obviously. but that is like a real thing man it's like who put a gun to your head and like made you sell your restaurant to some fucking Indian you know and it's um

I uh one of the reasons I was happy to move back home after 30 years I mean I always live in Chicago land you know later Chicago Park or the or Cook County suburbs but I hadn't probably lived at home in 30 years

and I still got like the same neighbor you know who's um nephew I used to fucking box with and, you know, who used to have me in his house. We watched, I remember watching fucking Camacho. It was like, who you were here at Chavez in his basement. And it's like no time had passed. You know, I go, I go for lunch every day, like the landmark where, like, guys I knew

wouldn't fucking a high school waste 10 bar, man, you know, like that's, um, don't, don't sell your house, cut ties everybody you know. We just some like dickhead town in Arizona and then like bitch show, oh, the old neighborhood, hey, I'm a fucking idiot. Isn't it, isn't it amazing that, like, women will, that they won't see each other for like two months and they run up to each other, like they haven't seen each other in like a few decades. And guys who haven't seen each other in like 10 years just are like,

hey, what's up, man? And you just pick up where you left off from. Yes. No, yeah, that's, that's interesting. But no, it's a real thing. Yeah. Well, it's not like, it's funny, too, because, I mean, like, I love females. I'm not, like, bagging on them.

but you'll be like with a girl who you, you know, you're tight with, and you'll be able to get that bar at a restaurant, and she'll see some other shit, they'll be like, oh, hi! And they'll, like, they'll like hug and kiss each other. And then when that chick goes away, you're going to be like,

the thing goes and caught. They're fucking hate her right here. It's like, come on. I thought it was your friend, man. It's like, if I know what I wanted to sit out, I thought it was your friend. You know, it's one of those things. I'm like, okay.

Have you seen, um, did you watch the bike riders? Yeah, yeah. I saw it right when it dropped. Yeah. Payload and I did an episode on that, talking about how, you know, the structure of it and everything and how, how it really,

it really shows like the pitfalls of, of having a, having a, what's the word I'm looking for, like, a vanguard and like not gatekeeping it and not having, having, you know, proper, not having someone set up to take it, take it over after you're done and

everything like that. I liked that movie, but there was some problems, would it? The strong point was that lady, who was the narrator, that lady nailed, like, a north side, a north of suburban Chicago accent, like, 100, like, a thousand percent. And she's a Brit. And she's a Brit. Well, that's what, that's insane. But, like, every, like, basically every girl I'm to high school with, like, all my friend's sisters were, like, some version of that shit, okay?

but the problem is Tom Hardy was like fucking like Bugs Bunny like nobody in Chicago talks like that like nobody talks like that it's like some families between Joe Pishy and Bubs Bunny it's like what is that and also they're obviously supposed to be the

outlaws so at the end some dude like this was supposed to be Taco Bowman he just blows away their leader and they're like that's cool it's like dude that guy would have gotten torn the fuck apart man he like shows up to like a fucking square beef before like gunplayed him the norm

and he's like wax the guy and they're like oh shit I guess that's cool I guess he's the boss now it's like that's fucking retarded man it's like you don't know to end the script like hire a script I did to wrap it up because that was fucking stupid but what was accurate though

and like I don't I never like gang bang and I'm not like a biker that's really not like a thing here um subculturally it is but it's more kind of like out west like beyond west side

I mean like west suburbs getting into kind of country. That's where you find like one percent of stuff. But the, when, when guys would have come back from Nam, and there's like no disrespect to them guys, but they were screwed up. Things got like really criminally minded.

When it used to be about just like having fun and getting drunk and like banging girls and stuff. And, I know it's a fact because like, I mean, dudes have testified to that, like who I trust. cross. So if you're, if what used to kind of just be like a hell raising men's club becomes a genuine gang, I mean, that, that's, that's difficult to manage too. Because like, I take together bow wow, or you can just kind of abide that reality. But, um, you know,

yeah, it's difficult. And I'm all for, well, some things are different in the 60s, man, because there was, you know, that there generally was like subcultural stuff underway that had nothing to do with like hippie bullshit and a lot of it was implicitly right wing like one percent of stuff but the notion was you know we want to be accepting of people and not exclude people if they seem okay because you know we're we don't want to be part of that sort of system coded life where you've got to prove your bona fides over and over and no one's really friends like i get that but things are different now like now unfortunately you've got to be more suspicious of people man, you know, and I don't

and like don't be wrong. There's a lot of opportunity for subcultural stuff. I mean, shit, that's what I do full time. But it's it shakes out different than in those days, but overall it's not a bad movie. My favorite biker movies are the loveless with William Defoe. Catherine Bigelow made that. You know, she made

near dark. It's pretty fucking cool. And a stone. Stone is an Aussie movie that it's got Q Keyes burn. You know, he was the toe cutter in Mad Max. And it's definitely not as dark as Mad Max, but it's in kind of the same vein. But no, the bike riders,

uh, it, uh, it was all right, especially for a Hollywood movie. It just, uh, ordinarily I like Tom Hardy, but it sticks in like craw when people like butcher the Chicago accent. That's one of the reasons I like casino. because like Joe Pesci talks like a south side ethnic guy you know and most the worst too is that fucking stupid ass

that dumb ass show with William H. Macy is supposed to be in Chicago but for some reason these like random white people living back of the yards which is like a savage fucking hood and plus there's like no whites there then he'll like walk outside his door. Shameless? Yeah.

Then he'll like walk outside his door and he's at like a water tower It's like, did you fucking smell crack before you like devise this geography? That was actually, that was based off of a British show. Okay, but it's like, you're gonna shoot in Chicago, man.

And like, they don't do this about New York or Boston. There's like corny stuff in it, that take place there too. But it's like no one actually comes here and observes things. So it'll be like nonsensical geography. Like the far south side is full of white people.

And like everyone talks like they're from Brooklyn in the 70s. Like nobody talks. like that here. Dude, I hate when they fuck New York movies up. Like the opening scene in New Jack City when Chris Rock is doing the deal and he tries to run out on icy.

The place they're doing that in, that's like right where I grew up. You would never do it right there. That fucking park is just surrounded by cops. I mean, all the time. And then they get in this chase and everything and all of a sudden they're like a mile and a half away.

And it's just, that kind shit drives me crazy if I know the area and everything, you know. Oh, no, I'm sure. Yeah, New York also, like, even to this day, like, stuff is so kind of, like, locally coded. And, uh, it was interesting to me, speaking of movies, people

hate on, I really like Alex Cox, you know, he did repo man, of course. Okay, sit in Nancy is a dope movie. And, like, everybody hates on that movie. And I don't know why. It's hilarious, number one. Um,

and you gotta look at it as like a black comedy but also it's literally the movie told the perspective of Sid Vicious that's why nothing makes sense and that's why like Johnny Rotten is just like annoying like square guy because that's like the way he viewed him and Nancy's actually attractive you know in reality she was gross and then uh I think it's brilliant man I think it's really funny and that guy that guy rock rocked head he's obviously Iggy Pop you know that's why like all of a sudden like they go to cop dope from him

and he's like Rick Rock Rock he doesn't do drugs anymore and he's like yeah your drugs are fucking garbage anyway they were nuts Did you ever um Did you ever see the The short series that they did The pistols just called Pistol

No Was it good? Yeah Well I mean they took a lot of license with uh it was based on um Steve Jones as memoir, but they changed, like, they changed a lot. Chrissy, Chrissy Heinz in it way too.

The Chrissy Heinz character is in it way too much. I mean, yeah, she was there and everything, but they, like, try to make it, you know, but it was, it was actually pretty good for, like, to see how the band interacted with each other. From what I understand, it was exactly how the band interacted with each other. I actually got a lot of respect for Steve Jones, man. Like, he, and it's interesting because he, he, he kind of dropped. off a lot of people's radar outside of Los Angeles. Like in L.A., he had a long-running show

in the terrestrial radio days called Jonesy's Jukebox. And he ended up, he became a fixture like in the 80s on the sunset strip. And Ace Frey, when he was stated in his comeback with Frey's comment, like he and Jones became buddies. You know, as in Freyler, he was still drinking and partying and stuff. And Jones, he quite literally came from the dirt. you know he was like some dirt poor cockney he had like a terrible heroin habit

you know people people act like the pistols were this kind of contrived band a guy he's wanted to make it and sit with this fuck up no man Joan Joan was a huge fucking junkie too and um he finally he finally straightened himself out

you know and I mean he's still alive and that was well I mean you know good for him but he you know he actually John Leiden I got a lot of respect for and I mean PIL was just a massively influential band. But Jones, like I said, other than people who were kind of a,

and I'm fascinated with the Sunset Strip because like when I grew up, you know, like those were the guys who see on MTV and shit. And, but he, uh, Jones, me have a fixture out there. And he was, uh, you know, he had a lot of clout from, you know, people in the know and people are actually doing real shit and not, not just doing fucking half-of-fag stuff to land a record tantrat. So I was thought he was cool. And he also leaned into becoming like this weird old rocker guy.

You know, he wasn't like, like Fraley said that. He said like when he'd run into Jonesy in the 80s, he's like, okay, a lot of time he was drunk by noon. But he's like he looked like any other kind of like, like, like L.A. working like office guy, you know, like. And he's like, you know, he's like, you'd sit down with him and realize who he was and be like, holy shit. you know, but he wasn't some dude who was trying to get by on like past glory, you know, when it's, you know,

pretending to be some teenager or something. So he's an interesting guy, man, I think. Yeah, his, um, his,

his solo album in 89, firing gasoline was actually really good. And it was, um, it was pretty, it was pretty much produced by the, by the cult guys, the guys,

the guys from the cult. That's it. They're an interesting band, man. Um, and they, uh, yeah the uh you know what else is an interesting band you know teenage head like now people probably

most known because they in 1980 in class in 1984 we got to watch that movie by the way at some point but um the club or all the all the like cyberpunk gang ban your kids hang out the house band there is teenage head and uh they were big time influenced by i watched this documentary and johnny rock lately and they talked to those guys and they were talking about how much he influenced them and a bunch of like they talk like one of the surviving dudes from new order yeah i'm a huge fan of p i'll of course it was a huge boon to p il when they they were on miami voice you know little them is dangerous well and p i and it was just so much exploring music more i mean one album to the next was kind of different.

And you could tell, like on the first album, on the public image, I mean, he's basically, you still have some pistols influence there, but as he moves on, he actually finds his own sound.

And the sound was, it was one of those things almost like, like the Velvet Underground was they influenced a whole bunch of bands, but they never really got huge. And P.I.L. was a whole bunch of bands. Yeah. Yeah, I'm like the Velvet Underground

of Tic creators because like I'll never blow up or like get famous which is totally fine. But then like dudes who do like totally like steal my shit. I'm just kidding. But um, uh, no,

and I respect John Leiden too, man. Like he, you know, he was, uh, he's, he's ethnically Irish.

He was one of the, you know, he grew up in London. You know, and, and, um, he's always been a

a guy who was legitimately anti-system and he basically got banned from BBC for calling out Savo in in like 1980 you know and yeah you know all of this and he I remember he's pushed back on these

establishment pieces of shit we're like you know punk is a liberal like you know to be punk is to love Joe Biden and you know his whole thing was like look he's like maybe you think you think I think Donald Trump's a piece of shit,

but the only protest coded culture right now are people who are behind him. You know, you're not, if you love Hillary Clinton and you love Tony Blair, like, guess what? You're not, you're like, you guys are the establishment. And for some reason, these fucking chom can't get that through their little piggy minds. But, um...

And he never really, and he never gave a shit, you know, it's like, um, he would call out whoever he, whomever he wanted. I mean, he was, he was always the guy who was like, you know, well, I'm just going to do whatever the fuck I want to do. And if you want to come along for the ride, come along for the ride. Yeah, no, he's, he's a great guy, man. And then he, uh, but also, too, like his wife died a few years ago from Alzheimer's and he was married to the same woman for like 40 years. Yeah, she was much older than him. She was like almost 20 years older than him. Yeah, it was an odd relationship, but he, but I mean, you know, he stayed with her. He wasn't

some womanizer. He never got into drugs. I mean, obviously he drinks because he's fucking Irish, but he, you know, he's, he's,

he's, he's, he's, he's, and that's, I'm not forcing you, that's, that's rare, man, and rock and roll,

you know, I'm the first to admit this, but, uh, Palmer's asking about that rough and series to world to die young. I believe it or not, I've never watched it,

man, I know of it and all about it, but, um, it's hard for me to commit to watching one of them series because you kind of got to keep up with that you forget what happened and I watch movies a lot because they keep vampire hours and um also that's kind of one of things I do and I'm not feeling well and I'm not up for researching I just watch movies but

corny as it might sound it's hard of me to like commit to a series man you know but I the problem the problem I have a lot a lot of series is they get the ones I like get canceled and there's never any like resolution on it. There was a source. There was one called Magic City, which was about like the, the Jewish crime, Jewish crime bosses that basically

formed Miami. They created Miami, made Miami what it is. There was another one with Kelsey Grammer where he played the mayor of Chicago called boss. Right. Yeah, you recommend that to me. Yeah, no, I'm the same way. and also yeah like a lot of a lot of stuff doesn't hold my interest um you know and i uh plus there's uh yeah i uh i know that there's um you know i'm i'm not as much at the point that it's not of a renaissance of good filmmaking underway that has been for a minute you just got

to know where to look and i realize that's the same with these streaming series and stuff too. I just you know like I said it the way my sort of day-to-day and the way routine shakes out it doesn't really lend itself to watching a series but I'll have to

Pete Hutter. Pete Hutter has watched boss because anyone who's watched boss always refers to the kitty character if you're a guy. Yeah one of the fellow suggests in revisiting Miami Vice would be good. Yeah, I agree.

Same with Crime Story. Crime Story is my favorite show of all time. Speaking of shows, it just like got suddenly canceled. Someone here asked about the remake Oh, S1CO says you guys read the Heat 2 novel being adapted now. I've never read the second. Yeah, I own it.

One of the fellas sent it to me years back when it was first released. It's pretty good, but it should remain a novel. I don't think it should be adapted into a film. It's too late. If it was, it's a throwback to the, I was just talking to Byrne about this. That novel, Heat 2, it's a throwback to the days when novels were written simultaneously as screenplays, like Byrne and I were talking about it in the context of 2001 of Space Odyssey. And if Heat 2 had been written in, say, the year 2000, or 1999, that would have been dope. Like, 30 years after the fact is,

I don't think it's going to work. And, but I see, like, the zeitgeist, um, movies got to reflect zeitgeist in a way that novels don't. Like, you get into the backstory of the players in it. And, like, Neil McCauley was in Nam. And, uh, he's like this street kid who went to Vietnam. And, like, that's, that's when he sort of developed these, skills that made him such a good

heist man because he became fearless. And then he couldn't adjust. That's also why he's like an action junkie. You know, and a cheat the movie. It takes place in our universe or some variant of it. Like Michael Madden said it's the same world as Miami Vice.

But the setting is like the early 90s. You know, so Neil McCauley, he's like this 40-something nom that was like reaching the end of his career as this like high incident heist man. That's why he's why. why he wants to retire. And it's also why he wants to go to Australia because he was there on R&R.

You know, it's not just a question of getting away from, you know, the authorities and the heat. Oh, okay. And, uh, payload, Payload mentions, uh, Craig Sallor. Um, yeah, he's the best, man. Um, well, I, dude, I, I watched, uh,

drag the cross concrete. That's one of the most nihilistic movies I've ever seen, man. I, I, are you wrong. I, I came away from that. just like, oh, I just hating humanity. Bone Tomahawks a masterpiece, man. And like that's, that's a genuinely scary movie too, man.

Like I, uh, that the first time I watched that film, I was on the edge of my seat. But that I'm a huge Western fanatic, you know, um, I, uh, it was footy. I, uh, when, uh, the other week, uh, Big Dean and his wife drew on me to fill my prescription. And he texts me, he's like, hey, I'm going to come get you. And I'm like, boy, howdy.

He's like, what the fuck is that cowboy talk? And I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, don't African-American watch cowboy movies. He's like, no, we don't watch that shit. I'm like, that's your loss, friend. Peter. You know, he says, dragged across concrete was nihilistic. I'm never watching it again.

The one cool thing in that movie is the, the completely psycho guy who's always wearing the mask. He has a CZ Scorpion. He has a CZ Scorpion set up with a suppressed CZ Scorpion that, I mean, I know it's a completely fake sound, but every time

he fired it, it had the coolest fucking sound then. That was the only thing I liked about it was that guy's CZ Scorpion. I like to do like every waste, everybody in like the bodega or the convenience store. Yeah, like just suddenly blast the screen because it's annoying.

you have crazy. It's like, damn. The CZ Scorpion and our mutual friend Kaye from OGC says it. When you look at that, it looks like a cyberpunk. It's like a cyberpunk weapon. Yeah, it's unusual.

That's one of the reasons why it's got cinematic kiss shake. Yeah, it didn't upset me as much as you guys. Yeah, it's a nihilistic movie, but the only the only movie is that upset me so much they can't watch them again martyrs is one of them that we really upset me man

fucking hell and uh yeah I never watched it I know watched it again work one day and I was just you know by myself because I used to work by myself and um my office

and I was like holy fucking hell man what did I just yeah yeah it's just it really I found it really upset me and um there's a couple others like that uh

there's a couple others like that uh there's Everything that went on in the bank, everything that went on in the bank and dragged the cross concrete really bothered the shit out of me. Oh, no, no, it's just definitely a nihilistic movie. I'm not saying otherwise. There's different things bother different people.

And I think, no, Zaller's a great filmmaker. Yeah, him and Nicholas Ruff and are the best in the game right now. Absolutely. You know, and it's, like I said, is um i agree with these these industry guys like tarentino and corsese you say like

you know it's a sin that there aren't big hollywood movies anymore and american movies have lost their cachet like that's true and that's fucked up but there has been a renaissance of like great movie sight unseen since the post-production code era but pre-jaws and star wars and that's huge man especially because the barriers to entry and have been removed because, you know, now you don't, you don't need, you know, $5 million to make a movie. You can make a movie with

fucking $50,000, you know? So I maintain it's no, Dredicast Congress not based in Raban killing. It's a weird it's basically a heist movie and there's some aspects that are probably took inspiration,

but it's its own thing. Gibson and Gibson and Vaughn were great in that movie. As far as an interesting guy, like he's from Highland Park, which is just over the Cook County border. And his years back,

like his mom would, you'd see her around town and down on Highland Park. This was like when I was in college, like I knew a chick who lived up that way. and she became kind of a local celeb because people really like Vince Vaughn. Vaughn's interesting, too.

You wonder what movie is I like, man. Before he, it's interesting, oh, he's kind of a turn on his roots, too, because he didn't start out as a comedic actor. And there's this movie from 2000, I really like called The Cell with Jennifer Lopez and Vince Vaughn, which is like odd casting and Vincent DiNoffrio. The optics in that movie are just awesome.

It's kind of like DreamScape. It's a similar. thing, like basically General Lopez is a psychologist and this team doing neuroscience research. You're finding a way basically

through a combination of VR projection and interpretation of people's brainwaves to create these artificial environments that reflect somebody's thoughts. And they find a way to like insinuate General Lopez into that

artificial environment and Vincentinoffrio is the serial killer who's comatose and she's trying to tease out where he's squirled away a victim who's still alive which is kind of run in the middle

like Hollywood CSI stuff but the optics in this movie are like fucking incredible um you know and very unique. And right around the time of the millennium, there was still some experimental technique popping up in, in big films. You know, not just stuff like the media, but stuff that was actually compelling. Yeah. Yeah. Payload says, speaking of Vince Vaughn, True Detective Season 2 gets shed on for no reason. I mean, there are some discontinuity in the story. There were there were things that when I look back on it,

there were some things that bothered me. Like when one of his guys gets killed, And, like, he's, like, really upset. And, but you have no idea who this guy is and why he's upset about it and everything. But, um, for the most part, Vince Vaughan was really good. He was the best part of season two. Yeah, no, he's, he's an interesting guy, man. And, um, he's actually versatile. Like, he, he does good and, and those kinds of serious roles, but he's also funny.

And it's actually pretty rare these days. It didn't used to be, but I know I've probably asked you this before, but, um, have you ever seen the movie with Adrian Brody splice splice? No, but a few people have told me it's worth watching. It's fuck. Yeah, it's really fucked up. I mean, basically you're

talking about genetics and gene coding and stuff like that and how... Yeah, it's real fucked up, dude. Like at the end, you're just like, oh, in hell, this is just, what the fuck am I watching here? Yeah, no, and

there's some there's some parts from Nett and I'm a YouTube channel promo like speaking of my friend Cameron and he's going to mock that up like he's really good at that kind of stuff but yeah I know I haven't seen splice

but also there's there's uh there's screen caps and stuff from it in there but um I'm gonna shibble off on a minute because I'm hungry okay

sounds good um yeah yeah but this was this was pretty awesome and like I said I think I've solved the problem of the laggy bullshit and picture quality because of subsets, switching the fire quacks. Well,

yeah, after, let's give, let's give substack some leeway here. I mean, they really just started this. So, you know,

they, they have to improve upon it. So, no, I, I like, I like substack as a platform. I think they're awesome.

And if another reason, they're, they actually respect writers, and creative people and they're not censorious pieces of shit like like faggid ass

Elon and faggid ass rabbi Trump and faggid ass everybody else but um lots and lots of fucking faggotry

but um after I um after I get energized by BLT and stuff um I'll hit you guys up in the chat and

cause um we're ready to move on to the next phase of the publication process. Awesome. We'll talk about, we'll talk about like planning the party 10 or week too.

I just don't feel really faded because I only eat once a day, so I'm going to ditty bop over and like eat a BLT and then I'll hit you guys up, man. All right, thank you for, thanks for including me. Yeah.

Appreciate you. Yeah, likewise. We'll be vacant at a week.