The Pete Quiñones Show - Live with RealThomas777 -07/30/26

Episode Date: July 31, 2026

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We got people in the chat. We should be here. Hi, everybody. But yeah, I'm stoked about this trip. And like I said, it's where they're on business, obviously, there's a social aspect too. But Michigan's got a lot of cadre potential. You know, and I know I've shouted out and shown love for the Detroit guys. Like, those guys are awesome.

There are a bunch of these young savage dudes. And I can go pretty hard, man. within the parameters of still being responsible. But those guys are kind of kicking my ass, man. I'm getting up there in age. But, yeah, those guys don't plate, man. And Detroit is just a fascinating town. And Monroe was really interesting, too.

So, and I hear Grand Rap is a lot of natural beauty. And it's a quick Amtrak shot. Just like four hours. And that's nothing. You know, I like the Amtrak anyway. but um so about about uh 40 pages into this uh manuscript on the old resistance and i went down something of a rabbit hole because you know even though he's uh he's uh slandered as this horrible progressive you know wilson was a complicated figure i don't think he was really cut out to be present

He was very much an academic. But he, Wilson's father was a, he was a chaplain in the Confederate Army. And he went on to be one of the founders of the Southern Presbyterian Church in America, which was they merged with another unproval organization in the early 80s. But, you know, they were a doctrinaire Calvinist church and very Southern orientation. But Wilson's first memory, he said, was being three or four years old and playing outside and hearing adults nervously chattering about how war is coming. So his first memory was literally war and rumors of wars in the Confederacy. And he screened Birth of a Nation in the Eastern with the White House, which was the first movie ever screened there.

he commissioned and he committed over the dedication of the Confederate monument at all into the National Cemetery. He was very much a lost cause partisan you know and

I'm going somewhere with this but that that was really in the zeitgeist white identity and a kind of organic Americanism around, you know, a strong racial and sectarian consciousness. And so the 1920s clan like blew up based on that momentum.

And it's a fascinating subject matter. And obviously, you've got to deal with the Leo Frank issue too because that was a formative aspect of the 1920s clan. And I, there's an ugly sectarianism to the 1920s clan. Like, they actually whacked a lot of Catholic priests, and that's fucked up. You know, I don't think anybody other than a cretan would suggest that that's cool. But, you know, so I'm not glazing the 1920s clan, but it was an important phenomenon. And in D.C. Stevens said, obviously, he was a real scumbag.

I had very much an opportunist. I don't think he believed in anything. I think he was a Bill Clinton type. You know, he was an Indiana Republican. again who decided he was going to conquer the clan from within when it began clear that that was sort of a stepping stone to the national clout i think you wanted to be president um but anyway uh so in researching that but also i deep dived then to um samuel chamberlain's book my confession you know that's what blood meridian's based on and it wasn't published until a century after his death because

um Jamie Leeuwen was a war hero and Lincoln actually he went on he was a volunteer in the Mexican war as a teenager if I'm boring anybody you're to sob like cut me off and we'll move on to something else but the he was a he fought in the Mexican war with the drag

Regiment when he was a teenager. And then he went on, he was a, he was a war hero in the War of the States, and Lincoln personally decorated them and made him a, a ceremonial, he conferred a ceremonial general's rank on him.

So the fact that he was running around with this sociopathic outlaw band of mercenaries, I mean, in public life, couldn't go around saying that, but he insisted to leave, Judge Holden was a real guy. And it's kind of a horrifying book. And John Joel Glanton, he fought in the Texas Revolution.

Then he fought the Mexican War. And apparently he was very normal, not just normal, but he was a heroic individual. He was engaged as a beautiful 17-year-old girl. You know, he was all 20 or 21 years old. She was captured by Apaches. presumably raped, and they scalped her and murdered her. And Glanton went nuts. And he started killing every Indian he possibly could.

You know, and in those days, the Mexican government, they'd hire Bushwacker types and Indian fighters. They'd literally pay you by the scalp. Apache scalps, they've got a unique. characteristic as is the case of some racial groups. There's a double whirl under scalp.

And this is incredibly gruesome. But if you were trading scalps for pay, you'd literally present a scalp. And if it was a child or a squaw, they were reluctant to pay you.

But also, if you're trying to pass off a Mexicans or a dark-haired white man, scalp, you know, they'd, uh, you'd have a problem. So they'd examine it for those kinds of characteristics, which is crazy. But I mean, that's, that's race war. But Glanton, uh, he became this total maniac. And he was so effective at killing Indians that his services were in demand. But then this gang formed around and just became his bushwhack and war band. And they'd set upon Indian villages of

you know Chamberlain relayed Let me fetch it real quick I'm not Yeah Chamberlain Okay I don't want to embarrass myself

Like when Chamberlain His book starts out It's like in media arrests Because he's already with The Glantangang And he talks about when he met Judge Holden and he insists too. He said the real judge Holden.

He was six and a half feet tall, practically albino. He didn't know if he was a real judge or not, but he said the man was a bizarre savant. He had an encyclopedic knowledge of botany and insects. He spoke French, Spanish, and English, and even some of the Indian dialects. But the guy was also, he was also a serial murderer and rapist,

and he particularly liked to rape and murder kids. of both sexes. And he said that Glantin when he was at his worst when he was drinking and he said

there was odd things about Glantin's leadership he kind of reminds me of Colonel Calh almost. I guess if you got wounded and this became a burden um Blanton

would have he generally just murdered you you know but at the same time before making command decisions, he'd often take a vote. And so periodically they come across settlements or villages and Glantton had put it to a vote,

like should we slaughter all these people and rape all their women and then slaughter them too and then take all their shit. And Judge Holden always voted yes. Like no matter what, like no matter what Glantin wanted to do, he'd back his play.

And Chamberlain insists that when they were on the run, you know, from the Mexican government and various bounty hunters who wanted to collect the price on their head. He said that

Glanton made a navigation error and Judge Holden realized it. And Chamberlain says that he took to riding with Judge Holden because even though he was afraid of him and found him disgusting, he was a fascinating person. So Judge Holden apparently said, well, yeah, you know,

we're eventually going to reach an impassable road, but we're in the great Colorado Canyon, which is what they called the Grand Canyon then, and he's like, this is an unexplored wonder of the world, and I want to see it. So

I'll alert glantam after I see it, which is kind of awesome. But then, but it's just incredible, man, and in the book, Wood Meridian, the narrator pro teg, you know, the

kid. He's obviously kind of a William Bonnie sort of figure, this roughneck gunfighter teenage boy, but he's obviously also supposed to be Chamberlain. And I had no idea that that book, that Blood Meridian drew so much on

Chamberlain's testimony. It's horrific, but also incredible. It's as wild as anything you find in the Iliad or Beal of, you know, and that's that that's the American Aryan warrior

mythology but also too of Glant he's held out you know as this kind of ogre and it was

he was a psychopath you know like rapist kill freak but you know it it's corrupting

to be immersed in circumstance to racial warfare you know he became a totally deformed person. There's no excuse, but that can easily happen to people. You know, you're and I don't think people realize that. And there's endless, there's endless anecdotes about these people who became Indian fliers or these frontier men and women of them finding their,

them coming home to find their family slaughtered and their little kids and swung against the ground until their brains were bashed in. You know, the Apache didn't care. They'd kill men, women, children. They'd kill everybody without a second thought. You know, it's just a terrifying race. But I read in the book Black Elk Speaks that all they do is sit around and try and communicate with the coyote spirits all day. Well, it's wild, too.

What ultimately shook out for the Glantan gang. this was 1849 you on the gold rush was kicking off on earnest and uh at the Colorado river crossing at Yuma um Glanton came across these Yuma Indians who uh

were managing the ferry crossing you know and this was highly profitable so Blanton had the bright idea let's slaughter all of these Let's slaughter all these Yuma. Let's take the prettiest girls and enslave them and let's take over the fairy

and we'll all get rich. So that's what they did. And then Glant said about building a fort that he called Fort Defiance. And ultimately

Glans sort of doing things when people would show up. you know, on the river, if they, if he's suspected that they were carrying gold

or valuables, he'd just slaughter them and take all their stuff. So eventually this just became this barbaric, sort of like murder enterprise, and a chamberlain became increasingly disgusted.

And one day, everyday men were assigned to go bring back firewood from by the river. Because at night it gets really cold in the desert. So him and this lapsed drunk priest named Tobin,

who was one of his fellow bushwhackers. They'd volunteered that day. And while they were chopping and gathering wood, Fort Defiance came under attack. And Glatten was he was basically tortured to death. But Holden got away.

And as Tobin and Chamberlain were riding out, Holden saluted them on a stolen horse And then he said I'm traveling to California And I'm going to tell the authorities there Have your whereabouts and help them hang you And he thought this was terribly funny

I guess But eventually Holden's horse Broke under this strain of exertion And Tobin And this Mexican Who was with them as part of their war band they hogtied the judge and wanted to leave just leave him to like die of exposure you know and the judge

holman insisted that he was making a joke when he said he was wanting to lynch them when he obviously wasn't he was just a sick fuck and uh shan everland says he had a crisis of conscience looking back and seeing holden hogtied in the sun you know and he said holman is a bastard and he's evil and he's irredeemable, but I'm not going to leave a white man to die in that way. So he went back and released him and left him with a powder horn

that had been converted to a canteen. Because there is an honor among thieves, I guess, if you believe. Chamberlain, but he also insisted that he never lost his he never lost his Christian faith even when he was mired in this depravity and he admits he participated in it

you know um he he he said he he wouldn't harm a woman or a child but you know he killed many people um you know some of which were valid kill some which were not but uh it's a fascinating subject and how i went down this water hole this rabbit hole i got water on my mind some thinking about the desert and stuff, but was, it's relevant. I mean, that had a huge reformative effect in the American psyche. Even more so than the war between the states in some ways,

I believe, you know, now as Shelby Foote's big point is you can't factor out the war between the states from the minds of heritage Americans and what became the zeitgeist. Feudder says black elk was supposed to. I've never read black elk. The impression I had was that these guys, these weird boomer guys who like to pretend to be Indians, like that Ward Churchill guy, that he's got their go-to or something. But so that's, it's like engine self-help.

Ew. Well, it's also, too, like I, you know, however you feel about, I mean, Indians also, I mean, they were a very diverse population. What's fascinating, too, about this, I'll bring it back in a second. But Chamberl makes the point, you know, and he was a Massachusetts Yankee. You know, so he being fighting in Mexico and then subsequently, you know, being a bushwhacker in the Arizona desert, that was like being another planet for him. You know, and Indians to him, probably the most exotic tribe he'd run across, like the Huron or something, you know. And he said these Piru, who were very peaceful, they almost seem like Incas or something.

And the men, because they lived in the deep desert, they'd wrap, they'd create his makeshift turbans and then like pack them with clay that would then harden under the sun. So they look like Bedouins or something. and they lived in these structures that you'd think would belong in Columbia or something. You know, and he, he talked about how the, of the, the, the, they were, they were very gyrous, and they, they, they were sophisticated in terms of how they practiced trade, and they had really good food, I guess. And, um, they, they were settled because they'd mastered basic agriculture. But like the flip side of that is, you know, they were these commerce oriented people. They weren't good fires.

So they'd be set upon by the Yuma and others and get their asses kicked constantly. But he speaks very affectionately about them. And he laments the fact that, you know, then these people were brutalized, you know, by the Apache, by the Yuma, by Psycho was like Glanton and the judge. You know, they just got no reprieve. But, you know, a lot of the Indian nations, you know, a lot of the Indian nations, you know, know, like crazy horace is a personal hero of mine. You know, he was a great man. And Tacomso was an incredibly destructive personage,

but, you know, he was long revered by Heritage Americans too, because he was such a great warrior. So when there's this, this kind of faggy victimology or these, like, fat guys, these, like, fat, like, reservation schloves, like on social media like you know giving the finger to like Mount Rushmore

while they're drinking like an extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra large mountain dew it's like man like you're really you're like doing your race dirty by doing that that's a bad look you know you're not you're really disrespecting your heritage

and you look pathetic you know um so I try and um when I write about Indians and admittedly I'm not an expert but running more.

I try and do so with proper respect because they were a proud people who were kind of gilded by modernity. But yeah, that's, I'm, I knew that long-form stuff would get easier. I mean, I've always, I've never had an issue with writing long-form stuff and doing heavy research, but it's different, it's been writing a book. that you have to put in the narrative form. But it seems of getting easier.

Hopefully this normal book will pop. Like if it, if everybody hates it and thinks it sucks, well, I guess I'll have to wait until I'm dead for people to like it. I know. I'll hope. I'll talk to you off air about ways that I think we can really get it,

get it going. Oh, no, I'm not worried. I'm just talking shit. I mean, frankly, I, you know, when I wrote, Steel Storm, which actually was a gamble, because, I mean, a kind of weird science fiction book by, you know, some nobody guy like me, I, I just, my only stipulation, I didn't want to eat a loss on it, but that turned a little profit, you know, so it's, um, I'm confident. I mean, yeah, obviously no one's going to get rich writing a, you know, a highly, uh, academic book on, you know, a highly, uh, academic book on,

political theory and international law and stuff. But I'm confident that, you know, it'll find its audience. And, you know, I think there's a need for it because, you know, nobody's, um, addressing historical conditions from that angle. I mean, I mean, don't really wrong. There's plenty of books where guys were writing, um, from like a Habean or Schmidian perspective and putting the stuff in context. and that's great, you know, but specifically,

um, dealing with, uh, the aftermath of the Second World War and, uh, the conclusion of the 20th century and beyond and placing that within a historiographical context, you know, relating to essentially, you know, conceptual aspects of it. Nobody was writing that book. So, you know, I, um, I think, um, I think, um, I,

think it will have no problem find out of the audience. And I'm, when I was, um, at, uh, at the Nashville, uh, the New York City guys said they, they wanted to, they invited me, you know, out there. And I've been, I've wanted an excuse to go back to New York City for a minute. You know, I, that New York's awesome, man. I really like it. I had an awesome time a few years back, you know, when I was out there. But they, they wanted to do like a book launch event, which is great. And New York City, there's some prestige behind that. Not that I'm like some clout, thirsty fag, but if you're, you know, something, New York

remains an important forum for academic and cultural stuff. So I think that'd be a good place to start. And then I'm thinking that's basically when, like, my travel season kicks off in the fall. that's kind of what I'm going to organize it around is like playing the book, you know, um, and things like that. So hopefully like, no,

but Zoltan says we want it before everybody plagiarizes you. I'm like, no one's going to be able to plagiarize this book. Yeah, hopefully not, but, uh, I,

but I, I, I know I was plagiarized a man, uh, on the dissident right. I, uh, I mean,

funny, but I'm also not. Like I, you know, I like, uh, I lean into what one of our friends said

that I'm, you know, like the Velvet Underground like esoteric niche authors. I, uh, well, it's something too.

Like I hope the book's readable, man. And like, uh, it's difficult to make highly conceptual stuff readable. But I think, uh,

you know, I'm, I'm kind of writing this book, white riot. The subject matter is, very different, I mean, topically is very different,

but the subject matter is related. I'm writing that's kind of a compliment piece because that deals very much with praxis and the American experience. And I can see,

you know, I'm in a base, I'm an academic, and I'm a revisionist a story on a political theorist. I'm not, you know, I'm not,

I'm not a guy who writes about the brass texts of revolutionary organizing or something. You know, and I think people understand that. But at the same time, I can imagine dedicated people, partisanite people, reading the book and saying, okay, great,

but what's that to do with, you know, the American experience on the ground in day-to-day sociological terms? And that's kind of what this manis got to work in now is about. And obviously, academic stuff's different than fiction. You know, fiction, you really do need to wait for inspiration to strike. you can't force it. I mean, it's the same with visual artists and stuff or guys who are like music. You can't just like force yourself

to do it. I mean, you can, but then you're going to be like that dude who would paint like happy little trees and stuff. I mean, I like that guy's show, but I mean, point being, like, he was just cranking stuff out, but you do, to a lesser degree, you do need

inspiration to strike when you're writing academic stuff too. Like, I'm researching every day and I write something when I got a manuscript underway every day. But sometimes it's only a page or something. You know, you've got to get momentum behind it. And that seems to be where I'm at now,

because I've been cranging out a lot of pages, which is great. So knock on wood, I don't want to curse myself. But if that momentum sustains, I'm hoping that by wintertime, so I'm getting quicker at this process, this will be done. But then sometimes, but I don't want to make hard and fast guarantee,

because then I'm probably going to have in a situation where I, my research takes, makes me in a whole other direction that opens up an entire category of subject matter that there weren't discussion. But yeah, forgive me if that was too rambling. But I, yeah, I'm costly optimistic. And I'm confident this vocal turn a decent profit for what it is. You know, you just have to keep your expectations reasonable.

And, you know, this is only possible. No, go ahead. Of course. We missed a comment from Ateas up there. He said, if you want a good read, check out S.C. Gwyn's Empire of the Summer Moon.

It basically details the story of Comanchearia and Kwanha Parker's tenure as the last true chief of the Comanche War Band. Juanah, who was the half white son of the kidnapped Cynthia and Parker is my great grandfather times four. That's wild, man. That's very cool. Yeah, thanks for the recommendation.

I you know and like I said my my dad's got deep knowledge of of the American Indian nations and the Indian Wars I'm I'm far more of a 20th century the 20th century is my research concentration but just you know the um the later modern era and also I I deal um I just generally you with different subject matter but I but I mean considering I I am a heritage American. I mean, that is something I should bone up on. I'm trying to do that now. And I, uh, I'd like to also, um, I want to write, uh, more on the subject of Islam and particularly the revolutionary imperatives that developed, you know, circa 1979 and beyond. because that's important. And I obviously my sympathy lies with, you know,

Iran and Hezbollah and are Syrian friends primarily. But, you know, that's a huge subject matter. And I've read a lot on it. And I'm working my way through that study Quran. But that's a bit more of a difficult proposition, too, especially because obviously I'm not, you can't just pick up conversational Arabic by like, you know, like listening to language tapes. You know, I mean, I'm fortunate that I got comrades who, you know, are linguistically and culturally fluent.

But, you know, I basically want to write about Daril Islam in the Second World War and beyond. and, you know, the, there are the resistance elements that had developed there. I mean, my emphasis, again, it's going to be, you know, Shia populations, Hezbo, but with an emphasis on a national socialist adjacent elements, you know, like in Syria. And Nasser became notorious, you want to look it that way, because there are many, there were a lot of guys who served in the German Reich in various capacities who spent time in the court of Nasser and Francis Yaki as well spent time in Cairo at Nassar's invite. But Syria, especially on the military and infrastructural side, a lot of Third Reich personages help build modern Syria. And that's one of the reasons it's slated for destruction.

And it is the fact, I believe the Levitin peoples and the Syrians, they're the natural leadership cast, I think. You know, and that's one of the tragedies of what's happened to the Lebanon. You know, and Lebanon's an incredibly dutal place. It's on my bucket list to visit. And, you know, it's known for its lush greenery. That's why there's a tree on the Lebanese flag, you know, and that's why it's so coveted, obviously, by the Zionist state. Because, you know, access to potable water things. But that was like it doesn't ever tangent.

Point being, I want to write about, you know, the resistance elements within Doro Islam and what that means to, what that means to the, resistance struggle generally, you know, and because the only stuff that's really been written on that, I mean, it's changing. There's a, this guy wrote a really fascinating series of essays on Johann Van Wier's, aka Omar Amin. And I reached out to him by email, and he seemed amenable to collaborating,

and then I never heard from him again, which is fine. Academics would like that. So there is more, I think there is more of an interest in the subject matter, but I, I want to write, I want to write a dedicated law form treatment on it. This, this story came, came across while we were here. There was this kid, Colt Gray, who two years ago, he shot up a, shot up a school in high school. school in Winder, Georgia. It's not too far from here. Yet today they sentenced his father

to 15 years for providing the gun and not recognizing that his son had deteriorating mental health. That's a terrible precedent and there was this one there was this I think this was down in Texas

there was this black lady principal. So I'm public school and some black hood. And some kid, some like middle school age kid, he took a gun to school and he blasted this teacher he didn't like. So they jammed her up saying that she should have known that this kid was violence. And apparently it was a rumor that, or she'd heard scuttlebutt that he was threatening this teacher

so, you know, she's criminally liable Onguant affirmative duty to prevent criminal violence when there's articulable facts indicated. I mean, it's, I don't see how anybody can prove a science or as required to impose culpability, like penal liability. I mean, I guess the way they're looking at is just like a strict liability thing because that's what the gun grabbers and these freaks want to do. But also, I was watching our dear friend Kevin Deanna, who's an awesome guy,

he's got a really good pod. You know, a couple months back, he hosted this guy. He's a really, really smart guy. He's a former DOJ prosecutor who wrote a book on the prosecution of Derek Sheldman. And it's dropping in October. You know, and I don't like that. Department of Justice, but I found the guy who taught my trial advocacy class, he was this, he was a federal prosecutor and he was probably one of the smartest litigation attorneys

ever met. It's probably different now, but I've been impressed with a lot of the guys I met who came through that pipeline, unlike at the county level. But on Kevin's show, he's making the point, he's like, look, he's like, there's two things going on here. There's just love. and there's this ideological coding to the criminal justice system where prosecutors and judges behave as nakedly political animals, but also

these people are just idiots. They don't understand the law. They don't understand the internal logic of it. They don't understand how the rules of evidence apply. They don't understand what the variable conventions are

and that kind of establish the parameters. and you see this at every level. I mean, you read, I think Clarence Thomas and Roberts, I should agree. I think Roberts is kind of a shitbird, but he's competent. The Supreme Court judges have no idea what the fuck they're talking about. I mean, aside on the fact that they're not publishing legal opinions, they're publishing these, like, editorial screeds or things that you'd expect to find in a social science department as a position paper,

but they all say, just don't understand it. And I, um, you know, there's a, like, don't mean wrong. I, I'm not one of these people who pretends that, you know, the law attracts a brilliant man or something, because it doesn't. Or that I'm not suggesting that, you know, legal reasoning is so complicated that, you know, a layman can't grasp it, like this nonsense. But you do you need a rudimentary level of intelligence to understand the theory and, and, um, and an application of these concepts, you know, and these people just,

they have no clue, you know, um, I mean, that's one of the things are terrifying at the prospect of, and that's one of the reasons why I don't like the law and order type of concern. I mean,

there's a lot of reasons I don't like them. Let me count the ways, but they got this idea that if there's, you know, a well-functioning criminal justice system, that everything works. the way it's supposed to. And I'm like, you understand that

a lot of these judges are literally senile. And that's terrifying. Like, ending up in court under indictment, you know, and there's some literally senile judge who has no idea what the hell's going on. Or who's decided, like, he or she hates you because the way you part your hair or because, you know, she's in the midst of some

dementia adult delusion, where you're some, like, repair man who, like, screwed her over, like, 30 years ago on, like, a I mean, like I, you know, and that's really dangerous too. I mean, just because it's perverse for the judiciary to be the seat of sovereignty for all kinds of reasons. But, you know, especially when you're, you know, with those kinds of conditions. But, you know, yeah, but I highly, I can't remember this guy's name on top of my head. He's a younger dude.

but um i uh it's really kind of a incredible what was allowed to shake out and aside from he raised his point and he's i even people on the right who have legal knowledge i i haven't heard anybody raise this before i don't have bore everybody by breaking down the state's theory of the case and what went wrong with it but aside the fact that show them and shouldn't have been indicted in the first place their entire theory of the case fell apart heart halfway through because they didn't understand what they were alleging. Basically, they were claiming that as the fellas who were into MMA and stuff will know what I mean by this.

The state was alleging essentially that there was a blood choke whereby if you cut off both carotid arteries, you deprive the brain of oxygen and you go to sleep. that's different than a chokehold. The police chokehold that the, as they used to call it, you know, LAPD got in a bunch of shit for that. That's basically a rear naked choke.

It's like a rear naked choke coupled with a sleeper hold. Okay, but there was two things wrong with saying that's how Floyd died. First of all, Floyd is saying, I can't breathe. Okay, if you're being blood choked,

you get so respirate. Because there's not any stress on your esophagus. You can breathe fine. Your brain's not getting blood, so you're going to sleep. Also, there's got to be pressure on both

carotid arteries. There can't be one-way pressure. You know, Chauvin's knee is on Floyd's neck. Floyd's got his head turned. Like, what's the equivalent pressure on the other side? You know, and the reason why they chose

this theory is, because there was no structural damage to any of the internal structures of Floyd's windpipe. And the coroner's report, which was later squashed and just disregarded,

there was 10 or 12 pages, which is very thorough. And this attending pathologist basically layer by layer he stripped away the tissue and irrelevant structures

and he said Floyd's windpipe wasn't crushed or damage anyway. So the state realized they had a problem so this was sort of their alternative theory but then they realized you know as the defense like Shauvin had no chance

he had a very competent lawyer but the state, they hired something like 18 lawyers to prosecute Chauvin like about half a dozen of which were just guys from big shot law firms

in the private sector and it was like insane and ridiculous but Chauvin's defense counsel knew what he was doing so he started calling witnesses that were indicating

well you know the the decedent couldn't have been bloodshoked so basically that should have ended the trial right there you know um and uh i think a lot of people don't realize that i think a lot of people have this idea that

well this was a malicious prosecution you know um and george floyd would have died anyway but you know he was being choked out he wasn't though like don't mean wrong i'm not a fan at all of this little idf maneuver of putting your knee on people's necks that's what i comes from. Okay. But Floyd, you know, one of the things is a lot of awesome this too, is people pretend to care about George Floyd, like actually don't. I'm not saying he should feel sorry for George Floyd, but he was a really, he was a really sad, disturbed, and messed up guy. That's kind of really, and in death now with like his corpse is dragged

around as a prop. There's something gross about that, but the dude all kinds of problems. He was a huge man. He was like six, six, seven. and like 250 pounds. He suffered from giantism. He had pituitary issues. He had a tumor on his inner thigh that may or may not have been malignant. He suffered from atherosclerosis of the most severe type, hypertension. He was addicted to fentanyl.

He had amphetamines in his system. It's amazing George Floyd was walking around and lucid. Like that's incredible. you know, and what I think too, because I've watched this video I watched this video probably like 100 times of Floyd's arrest.

I'm not excusing Floyd's conduct. I think Floyd he was totally fucked up on on fentanyl. I don't think he cared that he was shoplifting, but I think it didn't even really register. And then when the cops arrived,

he's totally out of it. and I don't think he's saying I can't breathe because he's trying to get him to remove the brace, and call him an ambulance. I think he couldn't breathe. I think he's saying on a fucking heart attack. You know, and like the stuff he says too doesn't make sense really

because when Shelvin and the Asian guy, they're trying to put him into the squad car and they literally can't move him because he's this huge man. And it's not so much that he's really, is that he's just like refusing to move, which yeah, his passive resistance,

but then he says, I'm going to the ground. I got to go to the ground. I got to go to the ground. Which I think is like hood Floyd speak for. I'm having a fucking cardiac event. I got to light up. That's what I think happened.

And, you know, again, I mean, that, I'm not a doctor. But watching the, uh, and then too, to be clear, and this also, this came out in court as well,

and this was substantiated. It wasn't Chauvin, but his partner or one of the other officers on scene, he called EMTs immediately because he was convinced Floyd was having some sort of cardiac event. And I don't know the geography of the Twin Cities, but apparently the firehouse that dispatches EMTs, EMTs and fire they were literally like

like three quarters of a mile away but it took something like four and a half minutes for them to arrive so you see show him and he's wearing black gloves and he's got his hands at his sides so people like see show him standing his hands in his pocket he didn't even

care it's like no his partner called EMTs and they I mean what was showing supposed to do like he's not an EMT you know, so they're waiting, they're waiting, they're waiting, they're waiting, there's this crowd gathering, you know, who are emotionally vomiting all over the place and getting angrier and anger and anger and angrier.

You know, then finally the EMT show up. You know, and it's like what's left out of this, too, and I'm not trashing the coppers. You know, there is precedent, especially here for all the police do things. they want to really tune somebody up or kill them, that these cops are so mad at Floyd that they're going to murder him or, like, just fuck him up.

You know, those body cams would have gone off immediately. Ain't OEMTs arriving. They would have gone into full riot control mode. You know, two of them would have. Well, two of them, you know, sort of tuning up Floyd to get him into the car, teasing him, whatever. Those body cams would have gone off.

And then, like, Mr. Floyd would have died. died in custody, you know, and somehow the, somehow the coroner's report would have been lost, so it all footage of him and the condition he was in when he died. I mean, that's all it happened. So it's Derek Chauvin, this Asian cop and this black cop and this other guy, they just roll around, stand, like, you know, let's like, let's like kill meiggers for sport, but we're going to do it with our knees, and we're going to do it in full view of it. everybody and we're going to call EMTs to cover our ass.

You know, I realize they tried to, they charged Shobin with constructively, what is the version of felony murder, which itself is fucked up because of the murder doctrine. I don't want to like bore you with what this is, but basically felony murder, there's two variants of it. There's approximate cause version.

And then there's, you know, basically a version where you can extrapolate the intent from an unlawed enforceable felony like armed robbery to the death of a victim and you know you're going to be

thus held liable for for general intent homicide however something like an assault it's the merger doctrine precludes felony murder because that's just regular murder you know if I assault somebody by punching them in the face then they fall and hit their head and they die

you don't charge me with assault and felling murder incidents with salt. You charge me with general intent of homicide. Okay. So they're saying that Chauvin assaulted Floyd with his knee resulting in his death. And because of this gross negligence, you know, that was the proximate cause of Floyd being murdered. And, you know, again, that should have been precluded by the merger doctrine. but beyond that, I, that's just a weird thing

to claim. I mean, like I mean, so I mean, even accounting the fact these people are proceeding in bad faith, you know, like the instead of tuning people up the way you'd think they would, the cops put their knees on people's necks. What is that?

You know, um, it, uh, you know, and like I said, too, to be clear, I, I don't like that IDF bullshit. And I, I, I don't like the way, the police proceed in a lot of ways. Not because I'm some big shit weird, but

I just, I don't need to justify myself on that. Anybody who follows my content, you understand what I'm getting at, but you know, I, and again, this guy's book, Kevin's guest,

it hasn't been released yet, but I was very impressed with this dude. And, uh, I highly recommend it. I'm sure it'll be worthwhile. And, um, I'd reach out to with myself, although I guarantee you he wouldn't want to collaborate with me on my content, but it was just fine. I'm not saying I'm in my feelings about that. I get it.

But, yeah, let me see if I, let me see if I can find this guy's name. I try and keep other windows closed because I don't want to cause, I don't want there to be delays or whatever. But, you know, Yeah, so. I'll see if I can pull it up real quick. I think it's American scapegoat.

Is the title of the book or, um, no, or American, yeah, yeah. American escapegoat, how corrupt you, the system. Saccharacter by Derek Sherr by T.J. H. is an hotel, A.R.K.E.R. Yeah, American scapegoat. And like I said, Yeah, it drops on October 27. But yeah, like I said, I was, I was very impressed with this guy. And also, yeah, shout out to Kevin Deanna. Kevin's a dear friend of ours.

And he's been kind of to host me on his pod. And he just consistently, he just consistently poach his really interesting guests. And I wasn't familiar with this guy's book or his work product. But then he, on my YouTube feed, there's this lady, a conservative type. But sometimes her guests are interested. I can't remember her name.

She pops up in my feed sometimes. And, um, but, uh, sometimes she has interesting guests on. I think she had Doug Lutz McGregor on time. But so I saw that this was about the Chauvin case. And I'm like,

wow, okay, I'll see what this dude has to say. And, I was real impressed. And then sure enough, uh, I found out that Kevin Deanna,

it hosted him so I highly recommend it and I mean like I said I assume that I assume the man's writing style is similar to how he explocates things on these pod interviews and he makes it very accessible you know it's not full of legalese and stuff that doesn't make any sense and unless you understand the weird internal logic of the criminal jurisprudence and stuff And that's important news. Like I said, this isn't just a case of, this is the case of bad faith in most of prosecution. You know, this case never would have proceeded

based on, you know, fact relating to the elements and failure of the state to carry the burden, you know, under any ordinary circumstances. One also, too, what's insane is, Chauvin's, like the judge was openly discussing how the jury pool was, tainted. And during voir dire, these jurors were saying they were answering the affirmative when they said, you know, they were afraid that if Chauvin was acquitted, there'd be rioting

and their lives would be in danger. So obviously, show him in counsel, who was for a change of venue, so the judge denied it, his reasoning being, well, all venues are going to be tainted. So, you know, what difference does it make? Well, I'll tell you what difference it makes, man. like the sixth in the 40th Amendment guarantee, you know, a right to trial by jury of your peers that's impartial and not corrupted. It doesn't say, well, you know, if all potential jury pools are, you know, can't be relied upon to deliver, you know, to honor due process, you're just fucked.

That's not how it works. You know, I had, this was an interesting, if I could, this T.J. Harker dude, if I did have an audience with him, I would wonder how to respond to the suggestion that Chauvin should have moved for a bench trial. Because, like, don't get me wrong. Like, I'm not, I'm not suggesting, go ahead. No, that's a common, whenever a cop is brought up on,

brought up for trial, probably, I mean, a high percentage at the time they ask for a bench trial. Also, yeah. I mean, the, um, ordinarily, it's primarily a question of law, you know, I mean, because the court's the trier of law, the jury's a trier of fact, mixed question of fact or law, you know, it, um, it cuts to the, you know, discretion and presume knowledge and wisdom of the court as well. And don't mean wrong. Um, this judge was a shitbird, but, uh, there was a zero percent chance that this jury would have, uh, uh, acquitted him. I think, in my opinion, and like I said, he's showing his constantly

highly competent. Obviously, he was aiming to hang the jury, you know, which I guess is the only, yeah, I mean, that's the only strategy. I'm kind of thinking,

I'm kind of worrying this out in my mind, oh wow, you know, but it's, the whole thing's terrible. What's a way weirder case that no one's heard about, um,

other than, uh, Michelle Malkin years back, did a series on it. There's this cop in Oklahoma named Daniel Holsklaw. Despite that very teutonic name, he's a Japanese-American. He's mixed race. And he was this big, like, bodybuilder guy.

I think he played, um, he played ball in some, in some pretty respectable program. Um, I think he was a defensive tackle. But in any event, he got totally railroaded, basically because, Because, and it's got an impeccable background, but he pulls over this, this middle-aged black lady who had all kinds of problems. And this lady alleged that he somehow molested her. And there was no evidence to that. So Holtz-Claw is basically these IAD types as well as weird lesbian, like, sex crimes prosecutor type, they decide, well, first of all, we believe this witness is unconditionally,

but then they're like, he must have done this before. So they basically started confabulating this narrative that this guy's a serial rapist of like 50 year old, like hoodwomen. And the news ran with it, like literally putting this dude's face everywhere saying, like, this guy's a serial rapist. You know, and, uh, these like half like uh out of uh first of at the slate of state's witnesses at first of some like 21 people but then more than a half of them recanted and then this one lady said look i got charges pending the cops

told me if i didn't testify they wanted i'd have trouble you know stuff like that um it just just totally insane and this dude's doing like 450 years when he did nothing wrong It's just insane. And it's even more, what's even crazier than the Shobin case is like nothing happened. It's not even like there was an incident, but this cop didn't do anything wrong. Like the incident didn't happen. This was literally made up out of nothing. You know, and like I said, nobody's heard about this case.

And I can't even imagine doing decades in prison. It's just for something I did do. I can't imagine serving life. in a penitentiary when I didn't do anything. I mean, that's, that's like my worst nightmare, man. You know, but yeah, I, if you haven't,

excuse me, sorry with the coughing and stuff. If you haven't heard about the Holstlaw case, check that out. It'll blow your mind, and it goes to show you, well, it's all that too. I mean, if they'll do that to police, they'll do that to anybody. You know, um,

it's, um, just unbelievable it uh and unfortunately for this cop this was in like 2013 or 2014 and a lot of jurisdictions

started to get body cams then but Oklahoma I think he was in uh I think he was in Tulsa or something I don't think it was okay C but like they didn't have body cams yet

so there's no way he could you know there's no way he could um escalate himself by resort today You know, it's just, all things fucked, man. That's also why, too, man, I advise, and it's easy me to say, you know, because I'm old and being

young as difficult, but I am honest, the young guys who are very involved in part of an activity. I mean, you got to be really careful with females, man. You know, it's not some slam on whim, and I'm saying there's people who will want to hurt you, and they will go as far as putting you in a compromising position and then claiming that you're rapist and they won't care. They don't care about the shame and stigma that. They don't care about the insanity of framing

somebody for something they didn't do. They don't do it. They won't even think about it. It happens all the time. You know, um, that's not to say you should be afraid of females or something or paranoia, but you know, you've got to use common sense, man.

But no, this is awesome, man. I'll say, um, no, I'll say that you, you should, be careful around women. Well, it's also, as you'll notice, man, I, uh, with a handful of exceptions,

because they're women who I, I trust with my life. There's all about two of those. I, I, I'm never alone with females, you know, um, and I'm not trying to be some kind of weird about it, but, I mean, I think, I, I think that appears improper anyway, frankly, you know, unless she's your woman.

But I, but it's also, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I mean, when somebody gets mad at me, you're, and then, then, does something fucked up in terms of a, you know, a false allegation, you know, and, um, that's a hack, uh, that was a, uh, that was a Ron Paul hack. And that was like something, uh, like Ron Paul refused to be, uh, alone with a woman, not his wife. You know, and that was like his policy for going back decades. It wasn't just because of like me too bullshit.

You know, again, I'm not saying it should be some weird pussy. You're like, be like afraid of females. But there's got to be, you got to be smart about stuff. But no, thanks so much for participating, man. I appreciate you. And I'll, yeah, I'm going to Grand Rapids this weekend. on a very special secret business. I'm just kidding.

I'll give everybody a full report, man, and I'm looking forward to it. And I'm looking forward to meeting the Grand Rapids faction, man. I've been singly impressed with friends in Michigan. So, yeah, hard step, everybody. And yeah, I'll hit you up by tax waiter, man. All right. Thanks, Thomas.

Yeah, thank you, buddy. Bye. Thank you.