The Pete Quiñones Show - Pete on the 2 Bit Podcast: 'Friend or Fed' - Pete Thiel

Episode Date: September 7, 2024

153 Minutes (Pete exits at 1 hr 33 minutes)PG-13Jason from the 2Bit Podcast asked Pete and Matt Erickson to do a stream examining Peter Thiel's Joe Rogan appearance, as well as other appearances he's done recently.Jason's LinktreeKingpilledMatt on TwitterPete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's Substack Pete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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um. Ladies and gentlemen, there's Pete. Madams and messieurs, welcome back to friend or fed the show. That makes you question your priors. Uh,

this episode, we have two of my closest and dearest friends in the space. Mr. Matthew Erickson. at the Real King Pilled and Mr. Pete are Quinoas of the Pete Quinona show. Gentlemen, welcome. Good to be here, man.

Looking forward to this. Thanks for the, yeah, thanks for the invitation, Jason. My pleasure as always. This is actually going to be a bit of a relook into Peter Thiel. We had a Peter Thiel friend or fed. I've moved it over into the membership only portal because I am a money-grabbing capitalist bastard. For $2, you can sign up and get access to that. that episode, I spoke mostly about at the time he was, this is when Peter was funding

Masters, Vance, and a few other political agents in the Senate and the, in Congress. So it was more looking at that and looking at, you know, speculations about his political aims and interests. It was before I really had dug down any deeper to Thiel. and of course this was before Matt did his groundbreaking analysis into the PayPal Mafia that aired on Peach Show amongst other places. So I thought it was I proposed to get these two gentlemen on to talk about Peter Thiel, especially after his latest Rogan appearance.

So we're going to be playing a few clips from there and discussing and then getting more into the meat and potatoes of what we think Peter is up to. So this can be a one-stop shop for people to understand what we mean when we talk about Peter Thiel. A few guys, I guess a few disclaimers. I'm not on the payroll. Okay. You'd have to understand my financial reality to understand how not on the payroll I am. Like, trust me, I wish I was on the payroll. I make prayers to be on the payroll.

Like, I'm sending off flares. I don't know how I could fucking talk to get on the payroll. I'd be, I would love to be on the payroll right now. now because I'm financially F-U-C-Ked. But that all being said, just because we're talking about Peter Thiel doesn't mean, I guess we're trying to get this out of people's heads. Your heart and your head want to do two different things, man. And we're just trying to tell you how things are like him or love him.

Yeah, he's gay. He's this. He's that. You know, yeah, sure. Yep, you're right. 100%. Good. Don't care.

No, I don't care. Whatever, right? Don't follow him. Don't pay attention. But if I'm telling you is going to start raining and I suggest you wear an umbrella, you might want to listen because our track record on telling you how these things work are pretty damn good. So shows about question your priors, folks. So let's question some priors.

Matthew. Actually, Pete, let's start with you. And we'll get to Matthew because I know Matt can speak a little bit at length on this one. Oh, just where I'm coming from. Yeah. I enjoyed more his trigonometry, recent appearance. Rogan, I mean, you know, who know that Rogan was going to bring up, like, who built the pyramids and things like that?

Like, he never does that with anybody, right? Psychedelics. Yeah. I'm surprised he didn't ask him about machine elves. Sorry. I think, you know, I mean, I think he did the best he could in the situation. It wasn't, that's not the kind of person. You know, I asked my wife, I said, if you had three and a half hours with Peter Thiel,

what questions would you ask her, ask him? And she's like, none of these. He's like, no, it would be totally different than this. Going off of, I mean, he seems to be doing the rounds lately. going off the Triggerometry episode, I think he is on a philosophy tour. He's trying to get his philosophy and his thoughts out there. And, you know, from what I've heard in the background,

he's not really dishing out money. And he may not be telling people where to put their money, where to the people who are spending money now. He may be, he may not. But it seems like he wants out of the limelike. for that kind of stuff. I think the blow up with Trump, you know, the problem with Trump,

I don't think that that was something that was faked. And, yeah, I don't know. I look at someone like him who, you know, is, you know, let's face it, he's a catty faggot. And he's not going to want to, he's not going to be the first one to say sorry kind of person. So, I don't know. I just listening to the philosophy,

everything he's talking about, I think it's funny that all these articles are being written about him by people who have the same letter on starts their name. You know, their first and their last name. And basically every interview he gives where he gets to talk about philosophy, he just countersignals any of those messages about, oh, how he wants to create a panopticon with Palant here and all these things like that. So I think there's a lot of people who don't give him an honest look, and I can understand that giving him an honest look. It's fine. But I think there's a lot of people in the space who just want to make money

and draw traffic by saying that he's, you know, Palantir is going to be this Panopicon where they're going to be watching our every move. They can hear everything we say. they can hear everything we say. They can track us wherever we go. So it's like, I mean, how much more of a penopticon do they need at this point? Matthew? So I'm about two hours through.

It's the three and a half hour conversation. I'm about two hours through re-listening to it. And I'm, Rogan is irritating me even more now than he did the first time. Just, and you can tell how many times, well, okay, let me back up first. the fact that Teal did this this interview period is data the fact that not only did he do this interview

but he didn't come here like reluctantly like I remember watching Rogan talking to Robert Downey Jr. And you could tell that this was like publicist booked this interview for me. I'm going to show up and I'm just going to kind of talk about some stuff. No like Teal I get the sense that Teal probably reached out to Rogan to be on the show.

And Rogan's like, sure, I'm happy to have you here. And I'm going to hammer you with some questions. Teal had something to say. And in typical teal fashion, you're not going to get the message just like blared to you with a neon sign unless you know where to look, unless you know how to listen to teal. And if you know how to listen to teal, then this episode, the, I guess like the metadata of the interview was sending a very, very clear message. he was he's a he's a he's a he's a strowsian he doesn't he doesn't say things just straight up very often um and i think it kind of drives people crazy when they listen to him and he's constantly steel manning the other side he he makes it very difficult to triangulate exactly what he thinks or

believes or wants uh for the most part be he he this is like a feature not a buck he's doing this intentionally to veil himself and be able to kind of fly under the radar while still being actually an incredibly activist, very clearly motivated actor. So there was multiple times throughout the conversation where Joe just completely diverted off on some rabbit trail. Like one of them just a second ago, what was it? It was, I'd escape my mind. I was going to try to remember it. He just kind of, oh, it's the Nobel Peace Price thing. They're talking about Gates, which is something Teal brings it up and says, what do you think was going on with Gates and Epstein? Teal's the one who brought that conversation up.

And then they're talking about it. He's drilling down into this was an expose. This is him revealing information as a theory. Hey, I had this theory that maybe there was this things or maybe actually like this. This is him saying this is what was actually happening. And then Rogan just goes veering off talking about Nobel, the story behind the Nobel Peace Prize. And Teal's kind of like, uh-huh, yeah, okay. All right, trivia hour. That's cool.

Can we get back to the actual conversation? So this happened many times throughout the episode. And then I remember at the very end, basically the last half hour of the episode, Teal was just starting to get warmed up. And he's getting into China and talking about AI and all that. And Rogan was the one who was trying to rap at that point. So I think from the outset, the frame of this conversation was that Teal was here to deliver a message in a very Tealian way.

Yeah. I remember talking to almost right after I finished watching it the first time. And some of my big takeaways was that exactly that. It was that field never speaks directly about things. It's always layered. The other thing is that he was leading the conversation from the very beginning. And I think that's actually part of the reason why Rogan almost got into a rivalry with him. Because Rogan's usually used to being the guy who directs the conversation.

It's his show. It's like he's going to talk about whatever. really wants to talk about. But Pete kept just like, sorry, I should say Peter, so we don't confuse to. Just kind of like jujitsuing him back into whatever he wanted to talk about. Like you mentioned with the Bill Gates thing. It was Peter Thiel who brought up Bill Gates. Like it was like, oh yeah, and by the way, Bill Gates, what's up with that?

You know, what's up with his marriage and this whole theory about how this thing works? And he knew that he knew that there was no pre-up. He knew that they were married in 1994. like he rattled off some details that are like, okay, these aren't things that you would have just kind of just gleaned from scrolling Twitter or something. You know, this is,

this is information that, that he sought out. Yeah. It's like there's water cooler talk and then there's like, you know, Intel being discussed. I mean, the same thing with the AI stuff.

What was at the point of it? Is it putting out Intel? Is it a way, you know, someone like Peter Thiel has to assume that everything that he, everything he says privately on the phone anywhere is being recorded, is being, I mean,

is this his way of communicating with, you know, his fellow elites that he, you know, this is, this is one of the people we need to go after. Here's some information. Contact me for further.

Contact me further for different things. You know, it's funny that we're talking about this because I just did a, my substack this morning was on privacy and how we, just don't have privacy anymore. And so don't even say, don't say anything anywhere, you know, unless you leave your phones and you walk into the woods with your buddies, don't say anything anywhere that you don't want other people to hear because other people are always listening. So it's an interesting thought that he's actually on there communicating

to other people and letting them know that, yeah, this is one of our ops. This is somebody that we have to concentrate on once Trump gets elected and, you know, our guys were in there. And I think it was also a, there's a key drumbeat with Peter Thiel for 20 plus years, maybe four, maybe even 40 years now. And his commentary in the public is the, the problem of our lack of competency and the innovating in the world of bits and not atoms. These are, these are riffs as he calls them, that he's gone on time and time and time again. And there was a consistent drumbeat through the whole conversation here about essentially don't like like our problem is a lack of competence so if you're going to get spun out diving down rabbit holes after

these super grand machiavellian super evil transparently evil schemes you're kind of missing the plot a little bit there's a there's a banality of evil thing here where like he makes the point with gates that gates is you could look at this as as Gates is some Uber super villain who's mastering, he's taking over the entire world and directing all these massive industries and stuff to impose this particular thing that he has a financial interest in. You could look at it that way. And there's an element in which that's true. But it's also true that this is his way of controlling his financial relationship with his soon-to-be-X-wife. And that the competency crisis is so bad that it's even gotten to, he brings it up with M.K. Ultra.

He's like, I don't think the CIA is doing MK Ultra type stuff anymore. Because MK Ultra and everything affiliated with that was all done by very competent people who were like motivated and funded by heads of industry who were themselves very competent people. Now the competency crisis has hit the regime itself. So if you're looking at this regime as some sort of majestic, super sophisticated, totalitarian demon, well, you're kind of missing the point a little bit. It's actually much worse than that. It's a regime that acts like that and thinks it's that,

but it's grossly incompetent. And that competence is both a feature and a bug from our perspective as well. Because this was a pro-Trump appearance. This was him coming out and endorsing Trump's platform, endorsing all of the things that Trump and Vance are describing as the most important things. So again, this is Peter Thiel. He's not going to come out and say, you know, I have decided I'm going to vote for Trump. This was him saying the necessity of Trump's election.

Yeah, what was the, oh, it was the competency crisis hitting the deep state. It's like even if there are still highly competent agents and movers inside of that thing, they're probably being painted into a corner because, okay, let's take something at MK Ultra. Okay, so you need competent people to run the program the first place to come up with these things and to execute the program itself. But you also need a highly competent system to shield them from view. Ready for huge savings? Well, mark your calendars from the third.

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themselves or dropping the ball or making them look like an asshole. So they're probably just like, you know, going even deeper underground, probably here in what I was there earlier. I'm in the eye of the stormer, folks in many ways. That's why I don't talk about certain things. But yeah, I think we detailed this many times. Go watch the PayPal Mafia friend or fed for us talking about it as well there, is that the bitter white pill here is that the tech bros,

their whole world runs on competency. That's their capital. They need it. They can't do any of the things. things they want. They can't send skyscrapers to Mars with incompetent people and not just incompetent people, but incompetent systems and regimes and, you know, global politics and all the rest of it. It's, it's a non-starter. So it's not just, it's not just a money thing or a, you know, a slight little problem that needs to be fixing. It's an existential problem

for these guys, like their main reason why they get up in the morning and do things. And all their future plans hinges on, you know, getting more competent people in that regime. So here we are. Just off topic a little bit. Did you see the Tulsi Gabbard just jumped on the on the Trump train? And coalitions forming. It's more and more so, more and more obviously. Isn't that interesting?

Yeah, there was a, I read on the astrolabe this morning a tweet from Aristophanes who said, There was a leading report tweet said Breaking News. RFK has announced that there's going to be more Democrats who are joining this unity ticket that they're calling it. And he said there's going to be a lot of people who countersignal this. But basically, like this is part of acquiring a ruling mandate. You have to be able to build a broad coalition. And you have to be able to cater to the moderates, the sort of centrist, lukewarm, squishes, who are decent people who want things to just kind of run the right way,

but they're bred in the blue worldviews. So they're very blue-pilled. But they're also sincere, honest people. And those people will appeal to a wide swath of Americans, and it pigeonholes the radical ideological progressives, who the Dems are actually really planting their stake with. It forces them and isolates them in the corner. So just from a strategic political move, again,

this is a campaign. When you're campaigning, you have to campaign as a political campaign would. You can govern however you want later on. And it's, we can, we can play some little role in keeping the pressure on them to actually govern according to their campaign promises. But first and foremost, they have to campaign. So things like RFK and Tulsi and whatever future Democrats, I think there'll probably be some kind of surprising Democrat names that end up jumping on board. I wouldn't be surprised to see that happen. Even Brett Weinstein. Right, right. Yeah. even like uh rogan people i don't think elizabeth warren is going to is going to come out on uh hard on anything yet but i played a clip of her getting berated on cnbc even the the the mainstream press is

is turning on her about price controls and she just looked like she was tired of it she's just like like she was her heart was not in it she did not seem like she was having a good time whatsoever she was just kind of trying to throw some slop out so i think i think there's going to be probably there's some more defections and there'll probably be some surprising names that come with it. They're a little off topic. I think one of the interesting things that's happening right now is the people who are going to be never Trump until the end, they, what happens to them when Trump gets elected? What do they do?

Like, say, like, immediately, say the project 2025 is real. and like, you know, in the first 10 days, 10,000 jobs are cut. What do these people do? Do they hop back on? Do they hop back on the train? Do they want, see, because I'm like one of those people, I'm not letting them back. I'm not letting them on. You know, the way I'm looking at it is I don't trust it because I don't think any, you know,

I don't think these aren't people who have my best interest at heart. I'm only looking at it is how can it benefit me. And in that way, it's not like I'm riding the center. It's like, I'm like, all right, I'm in this for my own interests, just like they're in it for their own interests. And I think that's a whole lot more honest than the tech bros want to build Panopticon because Palantir, because Peter T, heel because this, that, and it's like, okay, well, they get in there and they make our lives

a little bit easier. What do you go? Where do you go with this? Now you have to go all the way down the rabbit hole of being against the regime that seems to be like it may in fact be interested in working for the American people and trying to improve things and maybe even like right now is becoming even bipartisan. So now you've set, You've gone so far down the rabbit hole of being a black-pilled piece of shit that you'd come out on the other side where you can't, you have to, you have to ride that all the way to the end. And politicians doing that, content creators doing that, people, there's so many people doing that now. Yeah, there's going to be, there's going to be a lot who say Trump wins. Either nothing that he ever does is ever going to be good enough.

It's going to be just a relentless push. He deports 5 million. Well, he didn't deport 10. He deports 10. He didn't deport 20. Either that or they're going to try to drop it and pivot immediately and go, oh, you know, I was, you know, let's let bygones be bygones. And no, no, you've revealed yourself to be a snake. Because it is, the calculus here is pretty simple. All of our lives will be much harder under another Democrat presidency than they will be under whatever the Trump presidency looks like. It could be as watered down and milk toast and ineffectual as possible, and it's still going to be better than whatever absolute insanity is unleashed on us under another Democrat administration. So the calculus here is extremely simple. I want the next four years to be better than I want. There's two options.

There's a really bad option and then a different option. And I want the different option. I'll take the mystery box over the plainly obvious, most degenerate, worst, direction of an administration in history? Well, I mean, I think one of the things that you see is that there are people who want to have a say in the administration, want to have a say in what Trump is doing, who Trump has around him, who haven't earned it. Yes.

I mean, what have they done to earn it? They're never going to be, you know, some of these people are never going to be, you know, Some of these people are never going to be okay with the tech bros taking over because, you know, that was a Jew. Yeah, I mean, they're never going to have, they're never going to be okay with that. So what, what, did they just become Democrats? Yeah, I always talk about this. It's like, I think about the podcaster in El Salvador when it was the murder capital of the world. And then Buckelly comes up and he's like, Buckelly's not going to do.

anything. He ran in far left. He's kissed the wall. His wife is half Sephardic Jew. No, no. Bikeli's not going to do anything. Bikeli cleans everything up. No, no, no. This is all the plot to let the Jews in. Bikeli does this. Oh, no, no, no. This person, that's what they have, that's what they, the continuous

message that they have to go with. They can never back off of it. Because no one wants to admit that they were wrong. That's a great thing about me. I've admitted I was wrong so many fucking times that I'm like, if I'm wrong about this, I'm wrong about this. I'm sorry. I said that they'd get rid of walls before the,

I thought they were going to get rid of walls before the convention that they'd swap them out with somebody else. I was wrong. Okay, sue me. I thought there was going to be a rival ticket to Kamala that was going to come out during the convention. I was wrong. But part of this is something I got from Scott Adams.

It's a mixed bag when you're getting some from Scott Adams. But one of the good things. Some of it's gold and some of it is just, the worst small imaginable. Yeah. He said he intentionally makes predictions because it's a way of having skin in the game. And when he gets a prediction wrong, then he can be held to account for it. And it shows that he's honest.

So that's part of the reason why I'll go out of my way now to make predictions, even if they're going to wind up being wrong. If they're wrong, okay, well, then I'll admit that they were wrong. And you know that I'm being honest with you. I'm not feeding you shit. And then I can also put some pressure on me to hone my own, my own observations to make sure that I'm not just getting every single prediction wrong. See, I make a lot of predictions, but all my predictions are right.

So, you know, it's, um, you can step up to the big, to the big leagues there, Maddie. I just say, okay. Okay, real quick, logo lifter, not do me, but I wish we could swap out JD for RFK. JD is poison. I, the RFK is environmental, on the environmental, on the environmental, front, RFK is like the worst thing imaginable in terms of his, what he would want for the environment. Second Amendment. Second Amendment. Terrible. Israel. Not not great at all. All of these.

They're like, how do you come to this possible conclusion that you think J.D. Vance is, is poison, but R.F.K would not. They're completely separate roles as well. J.D. Vance's job is not there for electability. Like he's not a net negative and he has some positive. traits for electability. He's there because the VP plays a significant role in personnel for the, for the executive branch, and because he is the front for a tremendous amount of money. Ready for huge savings? We'll mark your calendars from November 28 to 30th because the Liddle Newbridge warehouse sale is back. We're talking thousands of your favorite Liddle items all reduced to clear. From home essentials to seasonal must-habs, when the doors open, the deals go fast.

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You don't get that. So the individual men themselves are less significant than the actual things that they represent. But then furthermore, how could you, how could you go down a list of things that you and J.D., and like, what's my opinion on this? What's his opinion on this? Do that with RFK.

You're going to get orders of magnitude more alignment with J.D. Vance than you do with RFK. Yeah, well said. Yeah. But save it. We'll do a JD Vance for underfed maybe next month. So, because as we're getting into the end game here, folks, where I think we'll start picking the pace up on this particular show.

Sorry, Pete, go ahead. I mean, I would rather have a VP whose wife is an Indian than a Hollywood shitlib. I mean, although, although I will say that him, the story about him sawing off dead whales' heads to collect their souls with a chainsaw, that's incredibly based. Okay, we give him that one. That one's all right. And then driving down a freeway with a wheel with a whale head, a disembodied whale head on your car, slopping whale juice in it on you and your daughter and you have to wear like plastic bags with mouth holes on it the whole that whole image I like I got a little hard a little I got a little bit

of a respect boner like okay I see you yeah and plus you know jd vance was the the pick that we said back in um back in january in february that if that was if he was the pick that was the signal it was a signal that it wasn't going to be run by the by the neocons that it wasn't going to It was a signal that it's going to be run more or less kind of little bit, partly anyways, by Peter Thiel, because all rows lead back to Peter Thiel. Okay. Before we get into the clips and some of that, let me just play a little bit of an ad read, and I will be right back.

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Share screen. Oh, Mark Clare is in the chat. Hello, Mark. Okay. So, there's a thread. This guy helpfully collated this list. of clips from the show. So this gives us a good, good thing to jump

off of here. And if it was my show, then I would put it at like 1.5, but we're here with Jason the old man. So in respect to him, I'll leave it at... No, no, no. Actually, for the first clip, you can go 1.5. Oh, okay. It's three and a half minutes, and it's a lot of stuttering.

One quick note about the verbal stutter. This is something that Matthew and I both agree on. I believe that Peter hides behind his stutter. I believe it's how would I describe it he could get rid of it if he wanted to thank you it's purposeful in that sense that he could go to a speech therapist like you know the same one that Yarven's going to because if you see Yarven's early interviews and then his most recent stuff he's gotten a lot better and I think that has some professional help in there

Peter could do that and he doesn't and I think that's on purpose so and he also I there was a the famous clip, the one that was in the intro, there was some replies to it when it was going around on Twitter that, I think they nailed it. They said, you're watching him when he's stuttering. He's running through iterations of different conversations. So it's actually his stutter.

Some people might think his stutter makes him look slow. It's actually, I think, a product of him being so incredibly not slow. He's having, iterating through a bunch of conversations in his head before choosing which one he wants to go down. And you'll hear that sometimes,

because he'll lead with one point and then he'll come around and he'll hit the same subject from another angle and then he'll come around and hit it from another angle as well and he sorts those out in his head ahead of time. What happened in some sense with chat GPT in late 22, early 23 was that the achievement you got, you did not get super intelligence. It was not just surveillance tech, but you actually got the holy grail of what people would have defined AI as from 1950 to 2010 for the previous 60 years before the 2010. People have always said AI, the definition of AI is passing the Turing test. And the Turing test, it basically means that the computer can fool you into thinking that it's a human being.

And it's a somewhat fuzzy test because, you know, obviously you have an expert on the computer, a non-expert. You know, does it fool you all the time or some of the time? How good is it? But to first approximation, the Turing test, you know, weren't even close to passing it in 2021. And then, you know, chat GPT basically passes the Turing test, at least for like, let's say, an IQ 100 average person. It can, it's passed the Turing test. And that was the Holy Grail. That was the Holy Grail of AI research for the previous 60 years. And so there's, I know, there's probably some psychological or sociological history where

can say that this weird debate between Bostrom about superintelligence and Kai Fu Lee about about surveillance tech was like this almost like psychological suppression people had where they were not thinking that they lost track of the Turing test of the Holy Grail because it was about and it was such a significant, such an important thing that you didn't even want to think about. So I'm tempted to give it almost a psychological repression theory of the 2010 debates. But be that as it may, the Turing test gets a. gets passed and that's an extraordinary achievement. And then, you know, maybe, and then, you know, where does it go from here?

There probably are ways you can refine these. It's still going to be, you know, a long time to apply it. There's a question. There's this AGI discussion. You know, we get artificial general intelligence, which is a hopelessly vague concept, which, you know, general intelligence could be just a generally smart human being. So is that just a person with an IQ of 130? Or is it super intelligence?

Is it godlike intelligence? So it's sort of an ambiguous thing. But I keep thinking that maybe the AGI question is less important than passing the Turing test. If we got AGI, if we got, let's say super intelligence, if we got, that would be interesting to Mr. God, because you have a competition, you'd have competition for being God. But surely the Turing test is more important for us humans, because it's either a compliment or substitute to humans. And so it's, yeah, it's going to rearrange the economic, cultural, political structure of our society in extremely dramatic ways. And I think maybe what's already happened is much more important than anything else that's going to be done. And then it's just going to be a long ways in applying it.

An interesting thing to think about with this, and this is something that just got dropped in my lap over this past weekend, and I'll be doing more shows about this, I think, in the future. Is that a good way of thinking about it is that data is the new oil. And who produces data? Well, we do. and AI does. So if you think of data as the new oil, as the, as it's going to be the,

the lifeblood of this new data economy, uh, going forward that kind of fuels all of these whizzle wuzzles and nice new, nice new toys in many ways. Uh, yeah, the conversation around AI and exactly what AI is and what it does and how it

harvests, uh, things and how we, are interacting with it and creating this resource in a sense is a vital importance. And to go back to what you were saying earlier, Pete, is that, yeah, you have no privacy. And that's not because people, that's not because they care about what you're about to do. Because let's say, let's put it honestly, in the least in the West, like 99% of people aren't going to be up to do much of no good other than some bullshit laws that, breaking some laws

that the elites don't care about. They break those, they break 12 before breakfast, right? It's, it's that they want to have that the, they want to have the excuse of spying on you to protect you and for people's safety, but they're just, you catch them in the corner of your eye, distinctive by design. They move you, even before you drive. The new Cooper plugin hybrid range for Mentor, Leon, and Teramar. Now with, Flexible PCP finance and trade-in boosters of up to 2,000 euro. Search Coopera and discover our latest offers. Coopera. Design that moves.

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I was just going to bring that up. He put a whole bunch of money into this campaign that just kind of was here and gone in almost no time. And we were all speculating, well, why was he doing that? It's like, well, the election is a fantastic time to gain what data. Tons and tons of tons of voting data that only really is available to you if you're running for, if you're running for office and you have all these companies that are just sucking up data and doing what with. God knows. But certainly, certainly has had nothing to do with getting into. into office. Let's put that way. I was working on a tweet in my head the other day trying to get it to

hit just the way I wanted it to. It was something to the effect of, I think an important thing to remember is that political campaigns today are data gathering operations that also happen to reallocate political power from time to time. The data gathering is one of the biggest. That's why there's so many millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars dumped into these. because of the data gathering. I mean, what other opportunities do you have on a regular basis to sample from basically the entire population regarding single events? So you can, it's like a, it's like a shelling point for huge swaths of the population and you can get tons of all the polls and all the behavioral stuff. You can, you can draw tons of it. So like Bloomberg,

I think his campaign lasted like three months or six months or something really short, but he spent a billion dollars. And I did a little bit. dig into it and realized he spun up an organization that funneled all of the all of the it was like a social media marketing organization or something but it funneled all of the data through this this organization and then as soon as he dropped his campaign they folded and so it was it was like a there wasn't even a location where they were it was just some office or something that the address went to um so the the the data gathering is is a really big deal and what's interesting is the with the the large language models, one of the headlines I saw recently,

it was actually a tweet thread, showed how when they train the models on data produced by the models, they get like, I don't remember what it's called collapse. Like the whole thing breaks down. They stop making the AI. When an AI is producing content based off of a model that was populated by AI generated content, it goes completely incoherent and schizophrenic. that now that that like to me that's like okay this is a problem that they're going to they're going to set to finding and they're they're going to try to find a solution for it and they'll come up with some solution and then they'll encounter another problem down the line but i do think that this kind of corresponds to a general trend with these new elites that they want to have a thriving population within the united states they want to have economic stability and growth and prosperity. And they want people to be happy and dedicated to meaningful work because that will make them stable, which will give them a foundation to be able to launch into the stars literally. So go ahead.

One of the other things we have to remember is a lot of these people came up in some sense with a lot of these people came up on libertarianism. So they understand that their self-interest, through their self-interest and them building products, doing things that it can benefit humanity. The one thing that they understand, though, because they're smart and they actually operate in the real world instead of in group chats on social media, is that there's always going to be a state, and that you want to control the state. And in order for you to be successful, in order for you to, in order for your interest to be met, your friends have to be in charge.

This is what I've been saying since I left libertarianism. It's like, okay, well, what kind of government do you want? One, with my friends in charge. I'm fine with that if it's communist, okay? Because, you know, they're going to take care of me. Obviously, I'm not fine. if it's communist. But the,

this whole data thing, so, yeah, I think most of the polls are fake like they were in 2016. Data, data is scraping how we react to that, that we're saying it's fake, that people are arguing that everything is data.

People don't realize that matter, the fact is, who's scraping this data? If it's people like the PayPal Mafia and Big Ten, who are trying to figure out who's realizing that all of this is fake so that they can get a gauge on the kind of moves that they can make that we won't push back against, then they're collecting the data. All of this is people don't understand the world we live in now. Some people in the chats, I think Sean said that he doesn't think AI is as strong as,

is all that's cracked up to be. I tend to agree with that. I don't think we're there yet, but I think AI has the potential to go there. And I think if anybody who could make it go there, there's going to be a race to see who can make it, whatever they want to make it. Super, super AI.

But it's going to come down to quantum computing. That's where we're going to go past AI, and it's just going to become about quantum computing at some point, is how quickly things can process. And I think that that's what they're, that's what's being tested. That's what's being tested everywhere. That's what they're scraping the internet for. That's what all this information is.

That's what, that's part of Elon getting Twitter. That's part, all of this stuff. All of this stuff is interconnected. And I don't think people realize it is that you're not seeing anything that's happening by accident. You're, the way, the way the, what's happening in Israel and Gaza is being reported. is not being, it's not an accident on Israel's part or on anyone else's part. This is all on purpose. Not only to give you the news, not only to cause you to be upset, but to see how, to see what the

percentage of people are reacting, how they're reacting. Everything is data now, which is why I said this morning on my subset, privacy is gone. I mean, the only way you're going to stay private now is you just basically have, you're going to have to become a Luddite. I mean, it's over. Thinking of that we have privacy is over. Even Eric Prince's phone, I have so many questions about that. It's like, okay, well, we store it here. Well, it's registered in Israel.

The company is registered in Israel. Where are you storing stuff? I guess I have questions. I mean, look at World Coin, right, which is being pushed. think I've made this statement. It's Horowitz who's involved with that, or at least he's pushing it hardest. He's doing it on little tech or speaking about it, connection to little tech. And essentially the conversation with WorldCoin is it's this digital passport system

that relies on you scanning your, getting your ocular data to verify you to verify your online digital identity. And if you go to their site and check it out, there's a little video package and someone makes a joke about it being like about like being like minority report. I'm like yeah, it's like minority report. Remember that whole B plot where you know Tom's Tom Cruise is trying to run away and trying to you know avoid detection and being caught by pre-crime and he has like pluck out his eyes and put in fake eyes. Yeah, remember that part. Yeah, I don't like that part. That part creeps me the fuck out. Again, this is going into the idea that these are not

necessarily our guys. And no matter what happens in November or going forward for the next 10, 20 some odd years, it doesn't change anything in terms of our core message, which is act locally, collectivize or die and build, right? We are civils. We build. Why? Because we're civil. It's what we do. Now, hopefully this group will let us build without a whole bunch of preconditions of some of that. That might be hopelessly naive. But regardless, they're really all about, they want one thing and they really want our data. And they want us to cooperate and do things nicely or else they, you know, have to go the other way. I was even thinking about this, you know, Peter Thiel had that weird dating app. He's invested heavily

in Rumble. Rumble does two things at same time. It's selling an integrated video platform. Um, and, uh, of course, is trying to be the YouTube displacer, but that's just data. His, his dating site, that's perfect data. That's people offering you tons and tons of data completely legally, right, with no coercion. They're telling you this so they can get late or whatever have you. Uh, and you can collect massive tons of data. So when you start seeing these things as data fronts, a lot of other things really start

making a whole lot of sense. Um, one of the things with all that data. as well is that for quote unquote AI to become profoundly like like epochly defining type of transformation it doesn't it doesn't have to become you know it doesn't have to have like a personality and be a like act like a person or have the consciousness of a human or anything like that just the ability to amass this amount of data and then be able to process it and synthesize it and run simulations and it. And it. explore hypotheses and being able to not just accelerate that process, but accelerate that process by orders of magnitude upon orders of magnitude, where you no longer have to, like before, you would have had to have one guy go to the library and he's going to have to pull down every single book and he's going to have to read through all of them. He's going to have to underline them. He's going to have to take notes and he's going to have to pull out, try to synthesize all of this.

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You can outsource a lot of that now to these types of models, and increasingly so. And then you can get, you can get recursive with them and play with that and see what sort of things are generated. So I know a lot of these guys, they're, you know, they're like, they're the California ideology. They're sort of like 90s, California liberals. And they, the way they see the world is that in the 90s, they, everything got off track. Everything was on its way up. We were growing. It was prosperity, you know, massive innovation, yada, yada, yada. Then everything, Vero. off track and we went wandering around for the last almost a full generation. And now we need,

there's like, we need to make up lost time. So being able to, uh, to not have to dedicate so much time to researching and testing and all of this stuff, being able to iterate through those things can accelerate the innovation process drastically. And that's just on, on one front. So the, they're, they're obviously with all of these things, there's big tradeoffs. But they're, it's not like they're not going to happen. It's a digital arms race. So, like, you can say, yeah, there's lots of all these bad things about a nuclear bomb, but I sure want my country to be able to fend for itself on the world stage.

Obviously, there's lots of narratives and stuff inside that, but I'm not going to be like, hey, I want my country to be the one country that doesn't have nuclear weapons in a world where nuclear weapons proliferate. So there's going to be an arms race. There are going to be people that invent these sorts of technologies and that control the use of these sorts of technologies. So the question isn't really, well, can we stop them from happening? No, you can't stop them from happening. All you can do is populate the people who are going to have the most influence with them and then seek to ally with those people on just simply a pragmatic basis.

I'm not going to present myself as an open opponent to you. I'm not going to line myself up in your site so you can take. me out. I'm just going to keep my head down and stay out of the way. And these guys don't seem like they have the inclination to come hunt me down. So as long as they don't have the inclination to come hunt me down, I'd rather them have the access to that sort of technology than the alternatives. Just quickly, some super chats, Paladin Y Y, YZ with $80. Thank you very much, sir. Billionaires don't go on Joe Rogan to tell the truth. They manage narratives. They don't go public and leave the drapes open a tiny bit so you can peek into their living room. My suggestion,

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he is very interested in building locally. He gets it. He gets it. And that is, that's what's most important. We can sit here, we can talk about what, you know, who's taking over, who's doing what. But it's like I, it's like I've been trying to say, do I think that this, do I think that this will, you know, change something radically? Is it going to save the country?

No. But I think it could take the boot off of our neck long enough that we could do that kind of building, that kind of thing where we, you know, where, you know, if people want to go and, you know, set up shop somewhere and a bunch of people want to all move to the same area and they want to base it off and they want to base membership or who's going to live around them off of unsavory ideas like background and. skin color, something like that. Hopefully you can get four years where you can do stuff like that, you know, where you have the time to go do stuff like that. Then, you know, you just have to worry about the next person getting in power. And, you know, but if you get established and you shut the fuck up and don't tell people you're doing it and, you know, advertise it, well, people leave you alone.

That's what you want to be, right? You just want to be left alone. We just want to be left alone. The worst, the easiest way to be left alone is don't tell people what you're fucking doing. Okay? Just do it. All right. Fucking Nike bullshit, 1984.

Don't tell people what you're doing. Just go ahead and build. Shut up and build. Or super chat and build. I like that one too. And if you're a young dude, if you're like a young single dude that is just working some job or whatever, there's a company called Hadrian. It was founded by an Australian guy named Chris Power.

And they're building C&C machining shops and building them in such a way that they can be very quickly duplicated. Almost like supply chain as a service is the way I've described it. They believe very much in the idea that we need to rapidly ramp up American industry and reshoring American manufacturing. And it's very obvious that the dude is a front. It's very, very clear that he's a front for what I would say is military technology interests. He's been, his story is a little too good. But they're hiring young white boys. They want people who are competent.

You can go get a job with them. They have a special software program that they'll train you where you can run these machines. One person can run up to 10 of them. And it takes 30 to 90 days to train someone. And they're specifically looking for people that don't have an engineering background or that don't have manufacturing background. like retail sales, whatever. We've covered them on the show multiple times. Go apply to work for them.

One of the guys in the group applied and we're waiting to hear what's going to happen with it. But in a very literal, tangible, pragmatic sense, you can also, if you understand where these guys are going, then you can go get a job with working with them and ride the wave up. Allow them to create the ability for you to provide generational wealth for your families. Let's get to the second clip with Peter Thiel here. This is, I got him. Let's see here. This is Peter talking about, Thiel shares his theory on how being compromised is a right of passage

to get ahead in powerful networks. This one was crazy. Sorry for all the world of Catholics. He throws some shade here. The riff on it was always that it was, it's a little bit different from the J. Edgar Hoover thing. And the question was always whether the people doing it knew they were getting compromised. And so it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's the vibe is not that um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, you somehow got to comeromise.

It was more you were joining this, uh, this secret club. Right. You got to be made. Yeah. You're a made man in the mafia. And you got to do crazy things. No, no, no, no. It's only if we have compromise on you do you get ahead. Right. It's like, you know, it's like, I don't know, it's one of these, um, the closet. Yeah, the closet of the Vatican.

Right. The claim is 80% of the Cardinals, the Catholic Church are gay. Not sure if that's true, but, uh, directionally, it's probably correct. And the, the basic thesis is, you don't get promoted to a Cardinal if you're straight. Because, um, we need to have. And so we need to, you need to be compromised. And then you're under control. but you also get ahead. What's he saying about himself? Hmm. Mm-hmm. Right? Because that's always been my, you know, Peter Thiel,

friend they're fed. Okay, well, Charles Johnson claims that he recruited Peter Thiel's become an informant for the FBI. And, I mean, but that's Charles Johnson. That's Charles Johnson, right? That's the name I'm looking for. Yeah, right.

But, you know, okay, there you go. but also easiest way to be and it's not everyone knows if Peter was homosexual but what else what else is there what happened to the guy that like fell out the window in my in Florida um all this stuff you know there when you get to be a billionaire from what I understand you they get bored with regular shit real easy. And they start experimenting with fucked up shit. And you know, I'm going to take a strange trip to this

country where this stuff is allowed. Who finds out about this? Who can, who can control somebody by doing that? So, yeah. Yeah, this is part of the, I think, the most fascinating part of the conversation, the discussion on Epstein.

Because it's, I think it's significant either way you want to, you want to look at it here. So if you want to say that that teal is has been compromised by epstein in in dark ways and that he's got a lot of dark secrets there that he would prefer not to come out he's already a very private guy on that on that side of things or if it's the way that he's passing it off that he kind of dipped his toe in there and was like whoa there's some creepy stuff going on here and now i'm going to dish to the rest of the class behind like you know i'm going to go on joe rogan show and start airing out my you know

reid hoffman and bill gates in either case i think it's significant Because if he is compromised by Epstein in dirty ways or anything similar to Epstein, then he's playing quite a game by going out and talking about it publicly, especially for a guy who's very private. Ready for huge savings? We'll mark your calendars from November 28 to 30th because the Liddle Newbridge Warehouse sale is back. We're talking thousands of your favorite Liddle items all reduced to clear. From home essentials to seasonal must-habs.

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And I don't know if that's a message directed at, as you said, Jason, at other elites. I don't know if that's a message directed at the people. I don't know. Maybe it's supposed to be both. Either way, he had a purpose in going and doing this. And I think that purpose is worth, you know, digging around and figuring out what exactly it is. And it's probably impossible for us to know for sure, but I think there's definitely a story there. Important background on Thiel.

I think we've said this in other places. but Peter Thiel was mentored and was best friends with Anthony Scalia, the Supreme Court Justice who may believe, let's say had an untimely end. Right, less than accidental death. And now, of course, he's connected to potentially gay lover or boyfriend being tossed out of window, not too long ago, which is why Peter has taken a bit of a backseat, and let Mark and Driesen and a few others take, be a bit more of the front facing

elements of, of, of, of, of, of, portfolios. So, but as we knew from Gawker and as we can kind of gleam from other, from other intel, Peter's not the kind of guy who's just going to be like, oh yeah, okay, no problem. Sure. Oh, yeah, fine. Oh, you got me. No, he's, this is, I believe this appearance in Rogan and like,

he's on trigonometry, although that was a bit more, in some ways, I think this on Rogan's a bit, more revealing because the trigonometry one he was much more in control directing a message with very if I remember correctly he was really targeting China like China's his big massive bugaboo and I feel like it had a lot more to do or that's the stuff that stuck out with me in that interview with the Rogan one because Rogan was kind of monkey wrenching him quite a bit and he had to kind of move around he was doing a lot more revealing in some ways especially when we get to the Bill Gates stuff and what do you talk about Epstein and a few other little things.

This is pure signal if you know what you're looking for. And it also I would add to that the thrust of this was that there is a club. There is a club. These people are part of that club. They're motivated by their desire to be in that club and being in that club has costs. I think it's also important to kind of get a hold on these things. when people start thinking like, okay, so Trump's going to get in and Vance is going to get in and PayPal Mafia is going to get in there, they're going to change everything. You know, it's like they're going to maybe slowly change some things.

It could be, it could get radical. Who knows? But this is the kind of stuff they're going to have to face. This is the swamp. The swamp is you have tons and tons and tons of compromised people who are just holding major positions of power that you can easily target like a Biden or something for that. But you're talking about like how many people in the CIA, how many people in the FBI, how many people all over the freaking place. are all have dirty little secrets that that's that's that's what's controlling them you take that on a global stance you take on in you know how many people in France how many people and you know all these different governments that might be a massive compromise network that they're going to have to maybe in a Caesar move which is grab all that data and go not your people you're you're you're your people now we now we own you because we have your now we have the compromising data on you know sorry pete I cut you off no it's fine um There's a good question here from death saying,

are we going to see right-wing sciops? It's interesting to me. Right-wing, I'm tending to agree with Cryptos that it's really hard to do propaganda and siops from the right. Because when people do propaganda from the right, say, Orrin McIntyre is doing propaganda from the right, Who's he hitting? He's hitting boomers, conservatives. He's trying to wake them up to the fact that things aren't what you think they are. And he may, if he's lucky, pull in a left or a right winger. But left-wing propaganda in siops affect all of us. We get hit by them. There's stuff that we believe right now that is a left-wing siop, is left-wing. left-wing propaganda that we're going to have to shed, that we'll figure out, we'll be like,

oh, I can't believe I'm still holding on to that, which is why, you know, I think that that, you know, the propaganda minister in the, in the 30s, why so much of it sounded left-wing? Why so much of it sounded, he understood that you're going to have to play to women. You're going to have to play to people's emotions. right-wing propaganda tends to try to appeal to people's intellect most people are fucking retarded you have to appeal to their emotions so what does a right-wing side what would a right-wing

si-op even look like now a right-wing si-op right-wing si-op right-wing si-op right-wing would look like a left-wing si-op we just wouldn't we'd struggle to recognize it and I think that's part of why the guys who just, they're almost like, I don't know, like ambulance chasers on Twitter that just spas out about every new drop of information on this thing or that thing or new, like you got to give it some time because there's absolutely siops going on every which direction right now. And you could just as easily be falling for a right wing sciop that's meant to look like a left wing sciop. And which I think the Trump campaign is doing a lot of that. I think they're doing a lot of left wing siops. that are being done for the, or motivated by a right wing sciop, um, uh, inclination. I think, I think part of this is that like a right, I think right wing propaganda is

aesthetics. It's not, it's not something that propaganda is, I think, innately left wing. And it's innately fox like, whereas as the, the right wing is going to correspond a lot more to the, the lion like temperament, which doesn't have, have time or need for propaganda. Because it's just going to do what it's going to do. It's going to, it's going to strike hard. it's going to strike fast, and then it's going to clean up the mess and move on. It's not going to have the more subversive, protracted, drawn out, expansive nature. It's going to be much more concise. So, yeah, I think the best type of right-wing propaganda really is aesthetics and art.

And if you can do aesthetics and art really well, then it serves the purpose that propaganda serves without having to go through all the rigmarole. Which is why, you know, a certain group got Hugo Boss to design things and got Albert Speer. And yeah, yeah. Meta Prime has one here. I was trying to get Jason to put it on the screen. He said right-wing siops are about rage bait, fear of networking, and not building locally. Those are right-wing siops.

Right-wing siops target the right to de-radicalize. them. That's exactly what a right-wing sci-op is. It is to de-radicalize anyone who could be moving to the right of a who's the guy who wrote the book liberal fascism.

Oh, Jenna Goldberg. Yeah. Anyone to the right of Jonah Goldberg has to be sciopped to move back into the center. That's what it is. A sci-op, a proper sci-op, a proper sciop is going to be regime related.

You're going to be using the language of the regime to do it. And the right wing says, no, we can't use the language of the regimes. Now, that doesn't mean that you run around saying, oh, if only, imagine if the rolls were reversed. That doesn't work either. But you have to come up. If you want to understand what a good right wing sciop looks like, go study what that gerbil's guy was doing.

Okay? He sounded like a leftist. He hung out with the KP, he hung out with communists until the day the National Socialists took office. He understood all of this. You are not going to sigh out people using this. You are going to sigh out people where you get them, you get them upset. And getting people upset is emotion. It's about emotion. It's not trying to change. You change someone's mind by making them, by causing them to feel discont. comfort. That's what right-wingers don't get. And I think that's something that crypto says has done a really good job of exposing. I just want to make a special note here. We're at one hour and seven minutes. This is probably the longest I've gone by not mentioning Girard. So here's Gerardian comment here. With Gerardian memetics, we talk about desires are always external to the person, right? People don't know what to want until other people want it essentially or tell them what to want. With propaganda, it's wanting something you don't have or that someone else has is

much more easier than something that you used to have or that you already have. So with right wing or let's say standard as conservative kind of ideas, it's, it's calling back to something from the past, which has a whole bunch of baggage or that people might still think that they still have. Whereas if you're calling on proper left wing propaganda, it's the future. It's something you don't have yet. It's undefined. What is it? I don't know.

Could be really cool. Could be really awesome. It'd be bright and hopeful and it's a, you know, euphemisms and all the other things, right? That always sells better because it's something that you don't have yet or someone else has and you want it. That's why that leftist propaganda works so well. Because like you said, Pete, it pulls on those heartstrings of desire. Like, I want the thing I don't already have or that my neighbor has or this elite has. By having it, I will be elite too.

how many of these how many of these leftists do you see especially these dick these dick riders who all start signaling this thing it's like Mark Hamill is never going to be a major movie star no matter how much Democrat dick he sucks it's like dude

what are you doing right your time is done move on son uh you know it was Frodo sorry um Sam Sam Sam wise Ganges stupid stupid fat hobbit right like what are you doing dude like I get it. It's your little tiny chance to be relevant for half a second.

But once they're done with you, they're done with you. Like it's not leading to any star on the walk of Hollywood here, but kid, just that's not how it works. Let me just do some super chats before he's kick it back to your boys. Paladin once again with $50. Thank you, sir. Saying with all the erudute philosophy guys and political historians in our space, I've never heard anybody do a show on the drunk looking for his keys under the street

light. Well, never say never. And how that corresponds to our situation. That's why you build. Truth equals humility. I cannot conture any more. And Tom Mastrado, I think this is what your call back to what you were saying, Pete. One of the new considers with Theo, he is an FBI informant.

I think we all are essentially our FBI informants in our own little way. I mean, that's if you believe anything that's coming out of Charles Johnson's mouth. I don't even know who Charles Johnson is. I think Matt and I were having a private conversation once of what is this, what is the what is his role right now with him running around posting some of the stuff he's doing? It's like we don't think, you don't think that he's doing this on his own. You catch them in the corner of your eye. Distinctive by design.

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Israel um but then he's also like hanging he's he wants to vote for Biden he's going to vote for Biden, but he's also hanging out with a well-known young streamer. And he's, it's obvious disinfo that he's just spamming out there. And it's pretty clear he works for someone, but who knows, who knows who it is. I would add to this also, there's a well-known comment on an AMA on Reddit from about a decade or so ago. Peter Thiel did an AMA. And someone asked him if the Palantir, if Palantir was a front for the CIA, and he replied that the CIA is a front for Palantir. So, uh, I'm sure he's he's he's joking but also you know how much is he joking well it might also be what he plans on the CIA actually being you know Palantir essentially is let's put it this way

the Palantir is certainly in more in more places than the CIA it's certainly much it's much more dug in to the system in terms of integral you could you could make that you could make the argument that you could get rid of the CIA but getting rid of Palantir would be a very costly endeavor. Like what would you replace it with? Right? Replace the CIA with the I you know AIC or something whatever. What other other acronym thing you want it to be, right? Palantir's a little bit more more dug in to the system than just an agency. Oh sorry and Jazio, 999. Thank you sir. Thanks for the show. Thank you.

Okay. Let's see here. We're coming at 815. You said 830 is you're out? Do we have you for a bit more? Yeah, okay. Let's get through. Thiel compares California to Saudi Arabia. Or should we go to number four?

Thiel shares his concerns about the U.S. His thoughts about changing the country. Let's do that one. Because I feel like that's kind of where we're at in a conversation anyways. Well, you're still trapped in L.A. How's the volume on that, by the way? A little low. There we go.

Trapped in L.A. I know. Are you friends with a lot of people out here? Have you thought about jettison? I talk about it all the time. And it's, you know, it's always talk is often a substitute fraction. It's always does it. Bangor.

Or does it end up substituting for action? That's a good point. But I have endless conversations about leaving. And I moved from San Francisco to L.A. back in 2018, that felt felt about as big a move away as possible. And I keep, I keep, the, the extreme thing I keep saying, and you're going to have to keep my talks to substitute for action. The extreme thing I keep saying is I can't decide whether to leave the state or the country.

Oh boy. And, you know, it went out of the country. Where would you go? Man, I've, uh, it's, it's tough to find places because, you know, there are a lot of problems of the U.S. and most places are doing so much worse. Yeah. So, it's not a good move to leave here. But I'm fucked up as this place is.

But I keep, I keep thinking I shouldn't move twice. So I should either, I can't decide whether I should move to Florida or should move to, you know, New Zealand or Costa Rica or something like that. Yeah, yeah. Go full John McAfee. And so I am, but can't decide between those two. So I end up stuck in California. Any thoughts?

The, uh, North Seas. It doesn't he have a compound in New Zealand. Yeah, he does. He's a, he's actually a New Zealand citizen. I just here's a I just shared that one for an example of like how we drop certain things like why do you say New Zealand Costa Rica could have said Hong Kong or you know Alaska or some we could have picked anywhere two spots in the world right why New Zealand why Costa Rica it's always it's this is these little tells in these conversations that this is the the layering thing we were kind of mentioned before sorry go ahead taking this with the previous clip which was what was wasn't really necessary to play, just him comparing California to Saudi Arabia. And, and, which is again, him, he, he, with the, he, he's like, going to always give both sides of the conversation. And, and it kind of avails what he's meaning. But he's also indicating, like, he doesn't want to be ideologically beholden to one perspective or the other.

So, yeah, it's easy to say all California is a shithole and it's so terribly run and yada, yada, yada. But he's also like, yeah, but it's got staying power. Discover five-star luxury at Trump-Dunbeg. Unwind in our luxurious spa. Savour sumptuous farm-fresh dining. Relax in our exquisite accommodations. Step outside and be captivated by the wild Atlantic surrounds. Your five-star getaway, where every detail is designed with you in mind.

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They stole my friend's iPad on a family vacation. Is that code? Is that like, is that a dog whistle that I'm supposed to pick up on? I feel it is. My ears are perking. Heart, heart, heart, heart. Monkeys. Why do you, why?

Okay, so here's the big thing. Why would he talk about, why wouldn't he defend? No, no, I'd never leave the United States. Why is he putting it out there that he would, he actually would? The signal, I think, is clear to me is he's basically, saying to because he's talking again Peter's the model for all the VC guys so basically it's almost a shot across the current regime's bow which is like you either fix this so what you can stay here and rebuild this thing in the way we want to or we're all going to go to Costa Rica or

New Zealand and do it there one of these like it's these things are going to happen we're building this thing whether you like it or not we can do it here in California which we prefer because all our stuff's here, but if you force our hand, we'll go, we'll, we'll leave. And when we leave, we're not coming back. And that would be the end of the American regime. Like, then you're on, on retarded life support. I mean, I know. Yeah, I get that.

I mean, some kind of galtz, gulch kind of thing. But it just seems to me that with all of the talk of, you know, every election that it looks like a right winger is going to win, the shit lives all talk about how they're going to move out of the country. It just seems like that is, like it would be that there's some other reason he said that, other than sounding like Amy Schumer, who said that she would move to London,

you know, if Trump gets elected. Well, what's your thoughts, Pete? What do you think, what do you think is he's saying or not saying? I don't know. You know, sometimes the way he talks, you want to believe somebody like him isn't sparing a word, is thinking about every word, every word is coded. I have to believe sometimes people just talk shit. You know, that it's just like for the sake of being in a conversation.

You know, why does he say New Zealand? Why does he say Costa Rica? Apparently he has a place in New Zealand, Costa Rica. I don't, it's a place that Americans who are Gen X grew up thinking about if I ever left and went to someplace else, I'd go to Costa Rica. They don't have a standing army. It's really cheap. There's American, there's American cities. The cities air with a bunch of Americans.

I don't know. I don't know that he was actually like saying anything there. And if he was, I think it would be deeply, like it would be deep encryption or something like that, trying to contact. communicate with one of his people. I don't know. I don't know. It just sounded like so gen X-Easty to me. It just sounds so gen X-C-D-C-D-T-to-me.

What blanketing this conversation. Like, we're in a friend or fed discussion. This is supposed to be wild speculation in creating, creating whizzle-wazzle narratives, Pete, and there you are being the sensible old man in the bottom corner. I mean, I'm like, maybe he's just, maybe he's just human after all, folks.

I mean, he's just shit-talking on Rogan. Like, that never happened. I'm like, if you look up Gen X in the dictionary, I am so Gen X. I know everything that happened. I know how it happened. I pretty much know why it happened. And I'm like at the point where I'm like, you know, I don't give a fuck. It's like pretty much how Gen X is.

Thankfully, we have some GenX guys who've actually woken up who have the means to change some things who it looks like that's what they want to do. So that's what I'll celebrate. Yeah, I think, I think just, you thought reality by. was an amazing documentary. I think this particular, like, snippet of the conversation, I agree that he was more just riffing and replying to the questions that, that Rogan was asking. And the reason he said Costa Rica was because he said New Zealand, Rogan said Costa Rica,

and he repeated what Rogan said about Costa Rica. I would be curious to hear what he was going to say after New Zealand, because I think he was probably going to name another place. And then he just said Costa Rica because Rogan did. But the larger, to me, the larger conversation about California was what gave. me the what I what I heard through it was I don't want to leave California there's all the reasons I want to stay in California obviously also like I don't want to live in Saudi Arabia and I'm comparing California to Saudi Arabia so it to me that that was the part

that I took as a shot across the bow that it's it's revealing that his thinking is California is the place that I want to be and it is under a an occupied government that's not necessarily going to self-extinguish. So it's not like it's going to just supplant itself. If California is going to remain a place that I want to live, then something has to change. Also, Matt just really wants, he's really hopeful that he can move back to Southern California at some point in his life.

Yes. Yes. He is, he is, he's, at the Thiel glory hole going, I mean, if we could take that.

If we could throw out the communists, then I'm back there in a heartbeat. Pete, do you have time for one more? Yeah, go ahead. Let's do it. This is going to be the shot across the bow to this is actually my favorite part of the whole whole show. If I would sit through the whole thing twice just to watch this repeatedly, is Peter going after. Sorry, I'll set this up.

Theel's theory about Bill Gates' complicity with Jeffrey Epstein, a potential truth behind the ultra-rich philanthropy, wild. I'll play this at, I'll play this at 1 and 2.5, okay, Matt? Just so we're going to have a complete autism. Conspiracy theories on Epstein that we're missing. So let me do an alternate one on Bill Gates, where the, you know, the things, just looking at what's hiding in plain sight. You know, he supposedly talked to Epstein early on about how his marriage wasn't doing that well.

And then Epstein suggested that he should get a divorce, circa 2010, 2011. And Gates told him something like, you know, that doesn't quite work. Presumably because he didn't have a pre-up. So there's one part of Epstein as a marriage counselor, which is sort of disturbing. But then the second thing that we know that Gates talked to. to Epstein about was sort of, you know, all this sort of collaborating on funding, setting up this philanthropy, all this sort of this somewhat corrupt left-wing philanthropy structures. And so there's a question, you know, does, and then my sort of straightforward alternate conspiracy theory

is should we ask, should we combine those two? And was there, was there, you know, and I don't have all the details and it's figured out, but it would be something like, you know, Bill and Melinda get married in 1994. They don't sign a pre-up. And, you know, something's going wrong with the marriage. And maybe Melinda can get half the money in a divorce. He doesn't want her to get half the money. What do you do? And then the alternate plan is something like you set up, you commit the marital assets to this nonprofit and then it sort of locks Melinda into not complaining about the marriage

for a long, long time. And it's some kind of a, and so there's something about the left-wing philanthropy world that was, it was some sort of boomer way to control their crazy wives or something like this. Now that

my friends is very telling because it does tales into something else that got dropped in my lab recently. A, let's call it a very convincing theory about what the 2020 to 2020 flu season was all about, really. And it has nothing to do with nanobots and has nothing to do with depopulation and a whole bunch of other things.

I mean, there might be all those things connected to them, sure. But a lot of it more was how to disengage money from the euro system and save a whole bunch of people from from paying out of pocket. And when you start looking at it that way, suddenly a lot more things start making a lot of more sense because really it goes this is going back to my theory. My basic principle when looking at these people is you're talking about massively corrupt people who don't hate you, they don't give a shit about you. They don't care.

Bill Gates doesn't, Bill Gates couldn't, couldn't pay money to hate you. He doesn't want to be around you. I'm sure maybe he doesn't like certain people. He hates humanity, let's say, as a general whole, sure. But really what it comes down to, doesn't give a flying fuck. Doesn't care of you live or die. Doesn't care of it hurt you. He's just making sure his bag is taking care of.

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And I mean, I think she probably would care about the $100 million a lot more. And it goes back to what I said at the beginning that it's a, um, there's kind of a banality of evil thing to this or, or it's not banality. It's like, it's like, uh, the, the, the, the, the, flippancy of it that, um, he makes the point as well about the European perspective on philanthropy versus the American perspective on philanthropy, which is the Europeans, or the Americans say, when you give lots of money to charity, they say, wow, you must be a really good person. And the Europeans say, wow, you must be a really bad person because you've got something to cover up for.

So I think he's, again, highlighting, he's like, he's like, don't get, like, sure, there might be these other things, all the, all the crazy deranged sex stuff or whatever. But I actually had made this observation a couple years ago that it's kind of funny to think about, I can't remember the exact instance, but there was some guy who was sort of vaguely implicated in some of this. And he was horrified. He was publicly emotionalizing about how shocking and gross some of the stories were. And I realize it's kind of funny to think about if you're like some, I don't know, some boomer guy who's a CEO or whatever, and you're going to go to this island. And then there's like some 16 year old chicks there. And you, you know, you're like some 65 year old

dude who bangs a 15 year old or something. And then you hear all this Jeffrey Epstein stuff, which comes to be, you know, like infants being disemboweled and all this horrifying stuff. And you're like, oh, my God, that's horrifying. I'm not, I'm not a complete and utter, like, like, demon. I just was an old guy who wanted to bang some, some hot young chick, and I didn't really care how close to 18 she was. That was the Clintons. That was the whole, that was all the Clintons. Other Bill. Other bill. Totally other bill. Yeah, so it's so the, yeah, go ahead, Pete. I have a different take on Bill Gates. I think Bill Gates is a bank account. Yes. I think that's all he is.

He's, he didn't, he didn't create windows. Okay. That was stolen, that was taken from, I forget who it was taken from. It was taken from another company. They already had it. It was handed to him. Bill is a nice face that is a face that's been out there for a while who, his handlers, the people behind him, tell him where to put his money, tell him what to say. These are the kind of people who end up on Epstein's Island because they're just, they don't care,

they don't really have any power. People like Peter Thiel are not going to end up on Epstein's Island, and he has never been on Epstein Island, because I know someone who knows that has the whole list that anybody who's ever been there, the real list. And he's, there are a bunch of people like this. They're basically what my friend Monica Perez calls. They're created people.

They didn't invent anything. They were handed something. And they're like, here, you're going to manage this for us, but you're not going to actually be the manager. We're going to tell you what to do. And you're just a face that's going to do it. So him talking about all this, I don't know, maybe he's revealing something about what happens behind the scenes,

what created people like that. So, yeah. And I would say that. Yeah, screwed up rebellion said IBM and Xerox for the innovators on Windows, on the, on the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the user interface that Windows uses. And it, and, and an important component of that story as well is that the name Windows is, a very revealing, very revealing name, because that's what it is. That's what, that's what it became.

So this is a military technology. And this created people phenomenon, this, this would go for not just, you. not just Gates, but virtually any billionaire that you see in the public eye. Elon Musk is the exact same thing. Elon Musk is effectively a created person. Now, within those created persons category, there are some who are, I would say, maybe more, not the word isn't independent, but they're more self-directed. They have a little more leeway to say and do things that they want to do. Right. Yeah. And I would say, Elon is pretty clearly on that, but Elon himself still has handlers. He still has interest that he's beholden to. And people who have played a big role in putting him where he is and allowing him to be the front for the types of projects that they're putting forth. So the- One of the things that Elon did that he wasn't supposed to do and immediately started getting phone calls was taking that puff of weed on Rogan the first time he went on. Remember that? Right. Yes.

and he said and then he like two minutes later he like grabs his phone and he's like some people aren't happy with me right now hmm yeah I got you going guys I always appreciate it thank you good to see thanks so much man appreciate it um can I plug one thing one thing worse plug plug as many things you want plug away free man beyond the wall dot com forward slash movies that's where Thomas and I uh is it's a It links to where Thomas and I review movies. We just reviewed the first Mad Max movie, 1979. Great.

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Masario? Sorry, I'm saying that wrong. There's a story about Howard Schultz CEO, Starbucks and Bill Gates' dad. Very telling basically a mob boss. I will look into that at some point. Howard Schultz is, I have very strong feelings about the man. I was a, I grew up a big Sonics fan. And the Sonics got sold out and.

This is a sports ball thing? Sports ball thing. Yeah. Yeah, the Sonics is super corrupt. They took the team from Seattle and moved no Oklahoma City, and Howard Schultz is just a backstabbing weasel. Just attribute the worst things imaginable to Howard Schultz and you're directionally accurate.

He never left Epstein's Island. He was just there on high, the entire offseason. Yeah. Matt, do we have you for a bit longer? Yeah, I'm good. Let me see, let's catch up on the chats. Thanks, everyone for showing up and being so active. The chat is going, is going off.

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Okay. So number six, this slowing of technological process might be linked to its perceived dangers. Let's do that. It might be nice if I share the screen, wouldn't it? Professional podcast. I get that like three or four times in the astrolabe this morning. Did you? Boomering it up.

You know, because of the time difference, people don't realize that like, you know, I'm always showing I'm always broadcasting first thing in the morning which like I get up super early so I can wake up but then of course I'm up super early so I'm never really awake. My brain is always like on a time delay of about like if I could do the show at two I'd be great. Like I'd be fantastic. But you know, it's it's what we do is a labor of love folks. Okay. Because you ain't going to get this show on the on the MSM until I sell out completely and totally.

And then, you know, maybe, maybe well. This, okay, so this is, Peter's talking about the future of technology. This is kind of going into, as you mentioned before, Pete, as or Matt, the, this is more of his standard grab bag of talking points. Is that a feature or a bug? And so the stagnation was sort of, was sort of like this, this response. And so it sucks that we've lived in this world for 50 years where a lot of stuff has been inert. But if we had a world that was still accelerating on all these dimensions with supersonic and hypersonic planes and hypersonic weapons and, you know, modular nuclear reactors, maybe we

wouldn't be sitting here and the whole world would have already blown up. And so we're in that, we're in the stagnant path of the multiverse because it had, it had this partially protective thing, even though in all these other ways I feel it's, it's deeply deranged our society. That's a very interesting perspective and it makes a lot of sense. I don't know if these clips cover it, but he talks about, and I think it was in relationship to this. Employers, did you know, you can now reward you and your staff,

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Sort of the almost necessity for a totalitarian government in, when developing something like nuclear, the problem, of course, being that it can be made into weapons very easily. So the only two ways that mass nuclear power, kind of works is either you uh well he pauses one one claim anyways that i can remember is that you kind of almost need a hyper one world government totalitarian style to eliminate the possibility of it ever being used as a weapon at all at any time and of course that sounds dystopian so it's kind of you have to use it in limited senses and have to build up all these other kind of have to figure out

the way to make nuclear power only work as power and not as something that can be made into weapons. Yeah, there's the net, I think it's two clips down from that one. There's another video, it's two something minutes long, talking about technological progress. Yes,

I think that one probably would be useful for the conversation here. Let me just play that. This also, just let's put a pin in this. It's something that I had mentioned to you, Matt, on a conversation. I can't but when or where, but to me, this return to 1995 thing, which is a very liberal,

like, or let's say the liberal lefty kind of desire, conservatives want to go back to 1955 or much more like super traditional kind of concepts. The lives kind of seem to want to go back to 95. Brett Weinstein's talked openly about this in those terms. And I find it interesting because 1995 in my mind was when, Gen X should have taken the supremacy. In a standard way of looking at how these things have worked before. Because the idea I think people get locked into is that the great generation just

like willfully gave it up to the boomers and surpassed the torch and all that stuff. It was more that they built a thing. They started aging out. And then the boomers came in with a whole bunch of useful energy and new ideas and creativity and desires. And then kind of just took it over because that's kind of how. how that usually works. And you had that thing happening in the 90s with the dot com bubble,

but of course, the dot com bubble burst. And people on the forefront of that dot com bubble were all gen X. And they were creating new industries and on the forefront of doing a whole new structure or taking over the structures as they as they kind of matured into the process. And then that got the literally the bubble. the rug got pulled out from one of them on a generational scale. And that led to this stagnation of the boomers staying in power for much longer.

Now, whether that was, I don't think that was by design, but they certainly took advantage of it. And it's taken this much time for the Gen X or for the boomers to basically age out completely. And now Gen X is now reascendant with this new technology. And this one seems to be a lot more firmer because maybe they've learned their lessons from, the dot-com bubble. Yeah. And if you think about in time, the timeline here, you have the dot-com bubble bursts. Then you have 9-11.

Then you have the intervening time. So you have 9-11 to 2008, basically, that's all taken up entirely with foreign wars and oil and fights and debates and all this stuff. And then you have the Great Recession, the so-called collapse of the housing market. And then after that, you have the race war. wars start essentially. And then, um, and then you have the Trump phenomenon and they have Russia gate and then you have COVID. And then you like, so it's ever since the dot com bubble burst, it's been, there's been a, uh, just kind of like a scattering and a, and a fracturing up into a

bunch of different kind of chaotic initiatives. And the 90s was basically the last time that you could really say we were, um, we felt like we were on the mountaintop as a, as a culture. that there was an ascendancy. There was this feeling of power and prosperity and opportunity and hope. And these guys were coming from, if you think about the 90s in California was not shitlib central. It was massively prosperous. It was beautiful. It was a Republican.

It had been a longtime Republican stronghold. It was a time of great opportunity and excitement. That's the thing that defined them. So they as a generation, and particularly the Gen X guys from California, as a generational cohort, feel like their opportunity has been stunted, that they've had their future taken away from them. And not just that, but we're also now, there's all this like stored up, pent up energy. Employers, rewarding your staff? Why choose between a shelf voucher or a spend anywhere?

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And then we've got to make up for lost time. So there's a very, there's both like an existential crisis sense and also like a, it's kind of sentimental lost history aspect to it that we need to, we need to recover our birthright. Yeah, definitely. Or as Charles Spadillo put it, you know, the true change will come when it's a Gen X head on a on a, on a Gen. body. Yes. And that's when we're going to see things. And then, you know, I won't, I won't flog

my own horse a little bit too much. But then you have the incoming vengeful sun spirit and a whole bunch of other things on the horizon, which makes things much more existential, much more immediate and much more, dare I say, interesting in the in the coming, you know, 40 years, let's say. Okay, let's

play this clip. This again, Peter, talking about technology. Certainly, the story I would generally tell for the last 50 years since the 1970s, early 70s, is that we've been

not absolute stagnation, we've an era of relative stagnation where there has been very limited progress in the world of atoms, the world of physical things. And there has been a lot of progress in the world of bits. Information,

computers, internet, mobile, internet, you know, now AI. What are you referring to when you're saying, though, the world of physical things? You know, it's any, it's, well, if we had to find technology, if we were sitting here in 1967, the year we were born, and we had a discussion about technology, what technology would have meant? It would have meant computer. It's interesting, he says in 1967, the year that we were born, because earlier,

Rogan asked him, how old are you? and he said, he didn't tell him how old he was. He said, I'm the same age as you. We were both born in 1967. Tell us Peter Thiel know what your Joe Rogan was born. Because he did his,

because he did his homework. Right. Right. Which is also an interesting little way of him telling him verbally that I've done my homework. Yes, exactly. Exactly. It's kind of a power move. It's a little unsettling.

If I was having a conversation with him and he was like, I was born the same year as you, I'd be like, how the hell do you know what you? What? And I think that's the sort of thing that I'm sure Joe would, if you were having a conversation with someone, they said something like that, you would feel that.

It would be kind of a little poke. And that's, I think, why Joe started getting more riled up throughout the, the interview, because he got a bunch of those little kind of little jabs under the table from, which are interesting. I think some of it can be attributed to autism.

Like, I think, I think Teal's the type of guy that would be like, okay, I'm going to go and do this interview. And so let me, let me see what there is to know about Joe. And I think some of that is a little bit of the, just, you know, like autistic, I wants to cover all of his, all of his, all of his bases, kind of.

But then it's also, there's just something else there. The impression I always get from Thiel is someone who is internally, who wants to be reckless, but is very, very careful and, and purposeful. one story I heard about Thiel was that he paid off the house of Kasparov who's a chess chief

he paid it he basically put him on retainer and paid off his mortgage so that the idea with having like Casparov would come over Peter spent every single day dedicating some time to playing chess with Kasparov and until he could be Right. And then he just said, no, thanks.

Yeah, right. Continued his services. So that's, that's Peter. But I always get this sense that there's a little bit of impishness in behind there where he really wants to fuck around, right? He really wants to, to, to, to be more like Elon in some ways, who takes massive risks. But it's just not his, it's not, it's not his nature. That's not how he operates. Right. So sometimes I think he gets those little digs in that's and that's that little

indication that, you know, there's that other side to P2, which he keeps very controlled. But sometimes it's sort of kind of eats out and he's like, yeah. Boop. Yeah. I'm in charge here, motherfucker. Don't talk about, don't talk about fucking DMT on my time, you know. But, uh, okay, let me just finish this. Yeah.

It would have also meant rockets. It would have meant supersonic airplanes. It would have meant, um, new medicines, it would have meant the green revolution in agriculture, maybe underwater cities. You know, it sort of had, and it, because technology simply gets defined as that which is changing, that which is progressing. And so there was progress on all these fronts. Today, last 20 years, when you talk about technology, you're normally just talking about information technology. Technology has been reduced to meaning computers. And that tells you that the structure of progress has been weird.

There's been this narrow cone, a very intense progress around the world of bits, around the world of computers, and then all the other areas have been relatively stagnant. We're not moving any faster. You know, the Concord got decommissioned in 2003 or whenever. And then with all the low-tech airport security measures, it takes even longer to fly to get through all of them from one city to the next. you know, the highways have gone backwards because there are more traffic jams. We haven't figured out ways around those. So they're sort of, we're literally moving slower than we were 40 or 50 years ago.

And, and then, yeah, and that's sort of the, that's sort of the. And then, you know, and then of course, there's also a sense in which these, the screens and the devices, you know, have, have this effect distracting us from this. So, you know, when you're riding a hundred-year-old subway in New York City and you're looking at your iPhone, you can look at, wow, this is this cool new gadget. But you're also being distracted from the fact that your lived environment hasn't changed, you know, in 100 years. These kinds of observations from him, the observation of the Concord was decommissioned. So we're not doing these like the supersonic travel. And at the same time, our traffic jams are worse and worse. So we're literally moving slower now than we ever have.

These are the sorts of, the sorts of, I don't know if you'd call it an analogy or just like a perspective on things where Peter will take these, he observes these patterns and these meta patterns and then compares them and draws them together. This is the sort of thing that his interviews are so great for because you can hear how comprehensive of a view that he takes on everything. and then comparing the holding a brand new flashy whizbang iPhone, but being in a 100-year-old subway that's degenerate and collapsing around you. It's funny that we talk so much about Palantir and about the whole digital world and AI and all these things within the context of Teal when it's almost proof of his point that we've been so obsessed with the world of bits

and not focused on the world of Adams, that he comes out and says he's known for being the guy that this is, this is like people who know who Peter Thiel is, if you've listened to any conversation he's ever had, he's said this Adams and Bits thing. And his whole point is we're not looking, we're not working in the world of Adams enough. And then everyone who talks about him

just associates him with, he's the digital guy. He's the guy who wants the digital Panopticon. He wants the runaway super AI. He wants to control you digitally. When his big concern is the physical world and how far we've fallen behind it. Nobody talks about Peter,

teal and the the free private cities initiatives that he's been funding the csteading on the the background that he has he's his his his focus his entire life basically has been on like he did PayPal he did Palantir and then he pivoted and since then his his primary focus with virtually everything that he's done and talked about has been this the the stagnation and the lack of growth that we have like he's not an accelerationist because he'll he'll just as well make the case for you that runaway acceleration isn't going to be a good thing. We have to be able to, we're not going to be able to just fall in one camp or the other. We have to, to balance these things where we can't be Malthusians. We also can't be accelerationist. How do we, how do we thread this, how do we thread the line here?

You know, when we were doing that series about civilizational capital, maybe we'll get back to that at some point in the future as things kind of calm down politically one way, the other. one of the things here's a connected idea and see what you do with this so we posit the idea that are we going with the Nickland idea that

that capital is the derivative let's say or the result of human competency and let's look at it in terms of investment we take human competency and we invest it or human capital and we invest it into things and it creates capital

things get easier and better at you you start making airplanes the first few are very expensive and difficult to do the more you do it the better you are doing it all of a sudden then you have you know aerospace engineers and whole schools dedicated to it and theoretically at least Boeing you you get better and better and better at doing this thing and it gets cheaper and cheaper and cheaper to produce right unless you keep adding on to the design now I think there's an event horrendous with this technology, especially in the world of atoms, where the reason why we have planes falling from the sky, or the reason why we have, let's say, a competency crisis, is that there is no new thing for people to aspire to. So what you end up doing is creating these ceilings. And this is, I think, key to understanding what happened in the Soviet Union, because they ran out of space to innovate. Their own ideology and whatever have you, reasons, kept them from innovative. any further than they did. They hit a wall.

And once they hit that wall, everything started collapsing because it becomes impossible to maintain it. You need that almost that desire, that transcendent desire, that's something that Gerard talks about is the most common let's say unifying

desire of all humanity, which is the desire to transcend. Employers, rewarding your staff? Why choose between a shelf voucher or a spend anywhere card, when with Options Card, you can have both. With Options Card, your team gets the best of both worlds. They can spend with Ireland's favorite retailers or choose a Spend Anywhere card.

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and you're attracting the top, top minds into the school to be on the forefront of this new technology to push the envelope to really do something fantastic and amazing. And in their wake, who's drafting behind them are all the other people who maybe won't get to be on the forefront, on the cutting edge of technology, but can sure as hell design the fuck out of an air. airplane though, right? Because they're, because what they're trying to do is be that next level. And if they fall short, well, then they're just, you know, if, if, if you needed 99% on the

score to be on the forefront and you get, you know, 95. So you don't get to, you don't get to be designed the new rockets, but you get to be designing and working on the, on, on the preexisting airplanes and making them better and more sexier and better and more efficient. Well, that's not, you know, That's a decent second prize. I think that's almost a hierarchy of development, of capital itself, of human competency itself, that if when you remove the event horizon for too long, when you limit the possibilities and potentiality, what you do is you get less, it's almost like nihilism gets, seeps into competency itself. And then you start flatlining and then planes start falling from the fucking sky,

which again was not part of the fucking plan. I refuse to believe it. I will never believe that, you know. Peter being a student of or the student of Gerard, the value then of modeling and having models who like Elon, the people who can model that once in a generation risk taking, shooting for the stars type behavior is what cultivates this. It's what it rouses that spirit again in people and gives them permission to go out and take risks. What does not, what does the opposite of that is having an elite class that is incompetent

and breeds incompetence and is motivated. The models like your, you're Bill Gates, this ties in the other part of the conversation. You have Bill Gates as the model. What's he modeling? Well, he goes out and he does these charitable donations and he sets up these NGOs and he's sponsoring research and all these sorts of things. And what's he really motivated by? Well, he's motivated by trying to screw over his wife and the divorce. He's motivated by trying to protect his assets. He's motivated by trying to pay to have a great public image, but not actually do anything, not actually make any substantive change, but just to whitewash his own image and protect his own assets. So he's contrasting these here. And you can, I don't know if he's doing it intentionally necessarily, but you see this in the message that he's talking about. And it's something that he's obviously very motivated and exercised by this if you listen to his other appearances. the absence of quality models, which are forcing us into this devolving degenerate spiral socially, while everything rots around us. And something's going to have to change.

There's going to have to be something that breaks us out of this loop of stagnation and begins that upward trajectory again, while also recognizing the fact that we don't necessarily want to just dedicate ourselves to growth for the sake of growth because that's cancer. So you have to figure out how to how to how to manage this tension. Which, okay, I'm live thinking this now. So forgive me if I'm inaccurate or need to double back on this at some point. But this might be the key to why Elon wants to go to Mars. Maybe it's not about going to Mars.

It's setting that target. We're going to go to Mars, whether that's possible or impossible or whatever. Firmament, flat earth, who knows, right? It doesn't matter. You set the target at Mars. Now imagine all the things you're going to develop, right, to feed this desire to go to Mars. Maybe it is underwater cities.

Maybe it is finding out a way to make nuclear efficient power effective and non-weaponizable. Maybe it is creating hypersonic travel across the globe and all this other technology that, of course, well, we need this on Mars, right? We're going to need this on Mars. So we better develop it here because we're here now. So we might as well build it. Right. Starlink.

Starlink is like is like digitally terraforming. It is like the technology. You build the Starlink entire Starlink apparatus to provide complete internet coverage all over the earth. And the reason you're doing it is because the goal is to be able to digitally terraform Mars. We have our Mars colonies. We want to make sure we've got good internet up there, right? You have to be able to watch porn while you're on Mars. So we have that vision cast for us, which is what enables us to get global cell coverage and internet access, which then also then enables you to map things, track things, data, data, data, data, data, data, data, data, data, data, data, data, data.

Right. So now we can speculate whether Musk actually believes in going to Mars or not. Maybe he does. Maybe it doesn't matter. Right. maybe it doesn't matter at all because the the the the target is to build as much new cutting edge great amazing things here and then hey if we can actually get to mars and do that cool awesome hey win win win right but if not we just have a whole bunch of new cool stuff on earth and isn't that good too that i'm just putting that together this it's another separate idea and i said this during the flu season um the long flu um was we make these things real. We make it real.

We are the missing integer in the messaging and, and, and, and what actually comes of it. Agents of superstition. Right. And as they've lost their narrative device to put these ideas in our heads and for us to make these things real on some way, shape, or form, as those, as those messaging systems have been either taken from them or corrupted, suddenly this is where you're seeing the regime really cascade fail.

Because for a while, it was able to promote, I was just, one of the things people talk about is, you know, predictive programming, right? Especially through movies. And one of the ones that comes up is children men. I always liked that film and I just rewatched it a little while ago, very shitlib in many ways, which I didn't pick up on the first few watching, but I've changed since then. But when you're watching it and you're seeing that, yeah, they're saying certain things like, you know, what if humanity stopped producing children? What if you had this massive demographic collapse and what would the world look like and was very depressing and nihilistic?

But by putting that idea out there, we start to work on it. You know, you think of all the pandemic movies that were around for a long time. And so there's, there's like, there's a little bit of credence to these people who think it's predictive programming. But the predictive programming people think it's, this is the plan. And they're making and they're and they're trying to feed it to you to normalize it. It's like, no, no, this is the plan. They're feeding it to you. So you accomplish the plan.

You, we make it real by almost willing it into existence. And this this programming is not meant is people who can will into existence isn't everybody. It's not it's not the supreme collective. It's actually a very small percentage of people, but those small percentage of people, but those small percentage of people are freaking magic. So they can actually warp and start changing reality in real time over, or let's say over a course of time. This gets into spirits. This gets into what we would call egregors. This gets into possessions, right? It's like people who can manipulate reality itself by almost by, by an active will. You know, this gets into prayer. This gets into,

you know, all these desire, right? What is Gerard talking about? Well, it's mass desire. It's people changing the world around them to accomplish something. And oftentimes when you're talking about something very metaphysical, that's an act of supreme will. Like, you have to will it into existence in order to achieve it. It's not just, you know, no one just farts out a book. I mean, some people do.

but any great work is an act of literal will upon the page and upon future readers. That sounds painful. Hypertition is, hyperstition is the word of the word of the day. Because that's exactly what you're talking about here. Basically, imagine it like a superstition that comes true because people have it. This is like a feature of the way that he

beings interface with reality. I think Orthodox anthropology, I happen to believe that Orthodox anthropology explains this best, but human beings are unique. We're not just animals. We're being made in the image of God means that we have the creative capacity to generate things that didn't previously exist. And this isn't just other human beings. It isn't just putting things together with our hands physically. It's like, if you, the act of inventing something is really profound. You looked at this space in front of you and you imagined the outline of a thing. And then you went and you compiled a bunch of different atoms and you filled this space with those things. And you made a thing appear in this space that wasn't there before.

You could do this with your hands physically, but you could do this with your mind as well. The hippies will call it manifesting or you've got the law of attraction or these sorts of things. But these are all ways that the human being interfaces with reality. We bring things into being with our minds. You could also call it meme magic. This is what 2016 was. 2016 happened because people believed it could happen. And they began casting a vision of it what it would look like.

They literally memed it into reality. And the same thing can apply here. This is why the no fucking blackpilling message is so important. And I'm going to keep saying it no matter how long until, I mean, I don't care if people get tired of it. if you are blackpilling, you are willing into reality the thing that you claim to be afraid of, the thing that you claim to not want. By focusing your attention and your emotion and your energy on it, you are transmuting reality in front of you into the bad thing, which is made all the worse by the fact that it would take probably less energy to manifest the good thing. you can take all of that energy that you focus on blackpilling and you can white pill.

You can cast a positive vision. You can become a memetic model or you can follow a memetic model. And you could bring about a reality simply by imagining it. I'm not simply by imagining it, but the first step is imagining it. And when you imagine it, you are now taking the first step toward actually making it happen. Oh, I'm getting moist. in the good way. Not on the waltz way, but in the good way.

Not in the hands way. I do notice that it says friend under your head and it says fed under mine. And you've got you're all bright and dapper looking and I'm all dark and dark mega looking. It's not an accident. It's not a coincidence. Just saying I'm willing into existence. Yeah. The no black feeling is.

really important. And also, no matter what happens, I think we'll put it this way, I honestly do think after November or February or whatever the hell, we're going to see a regime change one way the other. The, I think the, to go into what we were saying earlier too is that no matter what happens though, no matter, let's say it, let's say it beneficiary is us. Let's say we do get on the payroll, right? We, we keep working. We keep working. We keep. pushing. It's we don't just get past that line and go, yay, and then go back to grilling. There is no going back to grilling. Grilling is done, right? We can grill on the weekends. There's, pick a day. We've got to build so that our grandchildren can grill. Our great

grandchildren or whatever, exactly. Like, what is thrust upon us, the weight and the responsibility upon us. And this is why I'm, I'm more inclined to cast my vote for friend with, with feel, at least friend right now, friend for the moment, friend, friend for the next 20, 30 years, is that I think he sees this too, right? Where we need to, things are falling apart real fast. And I'm not talking just regime or geopolitics or something. That's the easy ones to look at. I'm saying, you know, again, my DMs are full of people telling me about how a bunch of safety

divisions are retiring in very critical, scary places. And there are, there is no backup. There is no replacement. You know, whoops. So what happens when those things start to break or fall apart? Like the cascade failure we're facing isn't just going to be about capital gains and, and, and, you know, promises, whatever. Like, that'll be the least of your worries. again, planes falling from the fucking sky, folks. It's not a joke. So, and it's not part of the plan. So the only way we can reverse that isn't just by simply saying,

we get what we want when we wanted it and yay, good. And all these fine folks will deal with it. It's like, no, no, we got to lean in and we got to do the work too. Independent of them. And if we can, we'll join forces where we can. If not, fuck it. Well, we'll do our thing. And I think that's not to get to the end of the show, but like, I think that's the, the message I would rather people leave here with is that no matter what happens, we build.

Why? Because we're civils. It's what we're built to do. You know, we're, we are the white man. In this case, we're, we're going to, we're going to continue. And that's not, it's independent of your skin color, by the way. It's, it's just that's what we do. And to, to renege on that responsibility, I think.

think is, you might as well, you know, go full trume. There's a comment here from Faithel Faustia, and I want to reply to and tie into something I was saying that ties into what you're saying. He said, there's a link between technology and nihilism. The printing press is probably the first big leap into nihilism. Yes, that's correct. And at the same time, as good friend of both of us, David Gronoski, has pointed out many times, the Bible begins in a garden and it ends in a city. A city is perhaps the apotheosis of technology. Ultimately, technology is a, we can see from that narrative there, that technology is not a strictly corrupting, degenerating force.

It's actually a natural outworking of human behavior. You can't really draw a line around technology that doesn't include things like relationships, emotions, words, like, funding. the use of like a tool. Like any, any, you can't be a human being and not engage in the use of technology. And in fact, the act of conceiving of and using and failing and being betrayed by and abusing technology is a key part of the human experience. We are redeemed by our technology because it reveals to us who we are. When we use, the technology and it, and we use it, where we allow ourselves to be, to be degenerated by it, we see a reflection of ourselves. It's a way of like externalizing ourselves out to out and then

looking at it and seeing ourselves, which gives us the opportunity to repent. And we're, our responsibility as human beings is to employ technology and to redeem the technology. Because as we redeem the technology, the technology redeems us. And we, we, we, we, we, we, this is the thing I was going to tie it into that I was saying about how we build so that our grandchildren can grill. And the little secret here is that by the time that our grandchildren are around, they're going to need to build so their grandchildren can grow. And then when their grandchildren are around, they're going to need to build so their grandchildren can grow. And so it continues. There is no, there is, whether you're talking

on a scale from election to election or from generation to generation or from century to century, there is no attaining the height. There is no arriving at utopia. It's a constant iterative process of growth from the human level, on a human individual, maturing throughout your entire life and growing and falling and getting back up and falling and getting back up and falling and getting back up and falling and getting back up. The same thing maps on to the generation level. It also maps on to the civilization level. American civilization,

by the time the whole story is told, maybe it'll last for a thousand years or something before it'll have progressed sufficiently to where it's kind of morphed into something else. And then you'll be able to look back and tell the story of American civilization, from its birth to its downfall. And once American civilization is in the past,

there will be a new civilization. There would be comprised of new people who are going through this same process. You don't escape this process. This is the purpose of this life that we're living, is to conceive of technologies and interface with the technologies and be led astray by the technologies,

to lead others astray with the technologies, to recognize it, to see ourselves revealed in them, to repent of our going astray, to repent of our leading others astray, and to continue every time we fall to get back up, You fall, you repent, you get back up. You fall, you repent, you get back up.

And do it over and over and over and over again. There is no like get the magic solution, vote for just the right person, conceive of just the right product, invent just the right system of governance. And then we can just set it up like a perpetual motion machine and go on with our lives. That's never going to happen. At every single decision point, we're faced with we're going to choose this or we're going to choose that. And when we make the wrong choice, it's going to blow up a, in our face. It's going to reveal to us

who we actually are. We're going to learn something about ourselves. We're going to repent, and then we're going to get up and we're going to do it again. Return, repent, redeem. Yes. Every single day, every single way. It's what the Jesus prayer is. It's return,

repent, redeem. And that has to be let's say a continual refrain or direction, not just for yourself and your family, but for society and civilization itself. Without it, we get to where we're at.

Which, again, bitter white pill, it just means that, hey, we get to see what's the old meme. You know, Jesus, why do you send your hardest trials? And he's like, look, dude, your enemies are literally like purple-haired trunes, like dressing up as the devil. What more do you need? like it and and they're and and they're incompetent as well like that's the even better part like it's it's we're not even dealing with Saturday morning cartoon villainous creatures that you know can

really know what the hell they're doing it's like the worst thing they're going to do is just like round people up and put them in jail and it's like how are they going to keep you in jail like you know the jails are falling apart too right yeah right there was one last clip in there that I think would be be interesting the one about faster than light travel yeah I was just I was just about to play that. So this is about faster than light travel according to the field

would require either perfect altruism or total control in alien civilizations. Free agency wouldn't be possible. Any alien with faster than light travel would have to be one or the other.

Angels or demons. And yeah, I think this goes directly into a lot of things we're talking about. You have to share it. You know what? Matthew with a sea.

Matthew Erickson with a sea. It's calm now. You know, I always wonder, and again, this is a little bit too simplistic an argument, but I always wonder that I'm about to give, but what the alien civilization can be like. And if you have faster than light travel, if you have warp drive, which is probably what you really need to cover interstellar distances, you know, what that means for military. technology is that you can send

so I should set this up in the actual conversation in the in the podcast Rogan was often one of the things and was kind of speculating about how humans almost seem to be like our evolutionary thing is to become these

robots or aliens of another species kind of thing and to you know take control the universe and fly around and that aliens are somehow just going to be benevolent they're here to help us or to intervene and do good things for humanity. And this is sort of Peter's rebuttal to that.

Real quick as well, this is where Joe was really getting on my nerves. It was kind of annoying at first. The whole pyramid thing was kind of okay. I was actually kind of curious to hear what Peter would say about the pyramid thing. And then Joe dragged it on too long. And then he talked about psychedelics. And Peter was like, all right, yeah, whatever, do your drug thing. But let's talk about something interesting.

But then here is where for the last hour of the conversation, Joe just would not let go of this, this, just kept insisting over and over again. Well, I think we're going to, the AI is just going to evolve us into, into something that replaces us. And then it's going to, and really, maybe this is what's already happened. Other places and these, these aliens have come and they've met us and everything. And Peter is saying over and over again, like,

like him, this little riff he goes on here where he's saying angels versus demons and the alien, he's like, he's like, okay, I'm going to take your idea and I'm going to, I'm going to dismantle it from the inside out. Because you're insisting on this alien super intelligence thing that is, you know, whatever, it's going to come take over humanity or it's going to look at us and be like, oh, these silly bald apes, you know, wabi, blah, blah, yeah. And he's making the point here that this alien idea is bullshit. He's going to take it to its logical extent.

And these aren't aliens. This notion of like, on the, he made this point as well with regard to the ancient civilizations. he says, I think that they had some technological advances, but they weren't as advanced as we are in a lot of ways. And the reason I think he's making this point is because there's this, this, he, I believe, does not believe there is some sort of super advanced alien race out there somewhere just waiting for us to show up. He actually, I think almost says explicitly he thinks it's demons. The whole UAP thing is demons. But he's, he's, he was fed up with this. I was fed up.

I could feel his frustration with Joe just harping on this over and over again that, that, oh, there's going to be some super advanced thing that's already ahead of us, and we're catching up to that. He's like, no, I don't like the idea of humanity being extinguished. I think humans are good. I think we should have humans. I think we should do things that are good for humans, that promote human flourishing and human thriving. And just kind of treating it as a foregone conclusion that or a fate to complete,

that there's some sort of super advanced thing or there's got to be some sort of super advanced thing that then takes us out. He's the subtext throughout the rest of the conversation beyond just this clip here was, we are the super advanced thing. We are the thing. There is no like be afraid of that thing that's out there.

It's us. We're the super advanced thing and we need to take our decisions very seriously right now because of the implications that they have. Yeah. I think what I loved so much about this particular analysis, I'll start from the start on this one, is that so quite often when these conversations, especially with atheists or agnostics or whatever the hell you want to call them,

they do this magical thinking thing. Like even having a conversation about something post-human, I don't care what happens post-human. Right. If it's, I'm human. Anything that is, if we don't exist anymore, whatever happens after that, not my problem. Like, it's, it's not. I'm concerned about the weather patterns when we're dead.

I'm not. What? Why? You know, I'm concerned about things that will live on past me that are connected to me in this life here and now. I get concerned about you or my daughter or family and that kind of thing. Sure. But if we're really going to speculate about some sort of human borg, not human thing, I don't give a shit about that thing. If it is to come to pass, well, shit. I hope it doesn't.

Yeah. I won't be here by definition. So right. Exactly. Even if, even if we are, we won't be. So it doesn't really matter. But okay, let's start from the start with this because I think it's, uh, it, it bears the full watch.

You know, I always wonder. And again, this is a little bit too simplistic in argument, but, uh, I always wonder that I'm about to give, but what, what the alien civilization can be like. And if you have faster than like travel, if you have warp drive, which is probably what you really need to cover interstellar distances. You know, what that means for military technology is that you can send weapons at warp speed, and they will hit you before you see them coming.

And there is no defense against a warp speed weapon. And you could sort of take over the whole universe before anybody could see you, could see you, could see you coming. And this is, by the way, this is sort of a weird plot hole in Star Wars, Star Trek, where they can travel in hyperspace, but then you're, you know, flying in the canyon on the Death Star. Well, they shoot so slow. You can see the bullets. Yeah, it's like, it's like you're, and then you're doing this theatrical Klingons versus Captain Kirk at 10 miles per hour or 20 miles per hour or whatever. It's funny when you put it that way. It's an absurd plot.

Yeah. And, and so, it tells us that, uh, it tells us that, uh, I think that if you have faster than light travel, there's something really crazy that has to be true on a cultural, political, social level. And there may be other solutions, but I'll give you my two. one of one of them is that you need complete totalitarian controls and it is like it is the people the individuals they might be might not be perfect they might be demons doesn't matter but you have you have a demonic totalitarian control of your society where it's like you have you have like parapsychological mind meld with everybody and no one can act independently of anybody else no one can ever launch a warp drive weapon and everybody who has

that ability isn't like a mind meld link with everybody else or something something like that you can't have libertarian individualistic free agency right and then i think the other the other version socially and culturally is they have to be like perfectly altruistic, non-self-interest. They have to be angels. And so the Pazolka literal thing I'd come to is the aliens, it's not that they might be demons or angels. They must be demons or angels if you have faster than light travel. And both of those seem pretty crazy to me. He is a Catholic.

Mm-hmm. Catholic? Yes, Catholic. Yeah, well, I mean, he's, he's, I know from, from multiple sources that he is very much devout Christian and that he, his two biggest mentors were both devout, conservative Catholics. So, Gerard and Scalia. So it's, it's a pretty, pretty good conclusion to come to, I think. I'm and really and this is I see people that they don't they don't follow what he's saying here he's not he's not making the case for the faster than light travel thing he's saying you're the one posing you have to have the rest of the context of the conversation leading this but he's saying you're the one posing that like we launched nukes and some other advanced civilization with faster than light travel somewhere else said oh there's a there's been a a hole in the fabric of reality we need to go investigate and see what's going to going on. And he's saying, well, if that's your proposition, then there's, if you're, if you're

thinking about a society that has the ability, has warp speed weaponry, putting warp speed weaponry in the hands of a society has, there's only two ways that it's going to exist. It's only going to, it's either going to be fully demonic or fully angelic. You're not, you're not, you're not, you're not talking about an actual, uh, you, you, You might speculate about these sci-fi things in this sort of gay, new atheist sort of way. But in practical terms, if you were to actually have something like that, they're not going to be like some species that's like, oh, what are these humans doing? Let's come check on them and let's go kind of fuck with them a little bit and try to keep them from getting the weapons and that sort of thing. This is a preposterous notion.

And it also gives implications for humanity as well. He's strongly implying this, that if we're to advance to that sort of level, these are the implications that it has for our society. The only way that we're going to get to that point is either being perfectly altruistic or perfectly demonic. And if we can't be perfectly altruistic, then we're probably going to be perfectly demonic. if we, so, like, you're not going to pigeonhole teal as a, as an accelerationist or a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, he doesn't, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's a, he's a human. He's a, he's a human who wants humans to exist. And these are big questions that have to be grappled with. And they need to be grappled with seriously, not in this sort of half-cocked, like, like, who, what if they're like, aliens, bro, that like, they, like, they, I saw the big, the big, boom and they came over and they're like fucking with us, man. Like he's the, no, these are like serious conversations. Just jump in for a second.

This is a nice little side quest. Ever notice that advanced aliens who come down and build really big weird monolithic structures on earth always use it. Use stone and not like space age materials. That's, that's weird, isn't it? You're right. They just instruct people on masonry. It's,

you know, I just saw one there was one cross my, I didn't even click on the video, but my YouTube feed was, they found this monolithic. structure carved into a side of a mountain that humans could never have made. It's like, so what? Aliens came down and just really like bricks.

Like they're just really into terracotta. That's their, that's their groove. It's a weird kink. I grant you, but do they just, were they kind? They're like, well, we don't want to freak them out too much. You know, the existence of us is weird enough as it is. We better, we better talk to their level here. Here's some, here's some interesting stone work.

Like, what? No. You don't want to take their kink. for granted, you know. Christian asked Matt is gay. Yes. Yes. Correct.

Yes. Very, very gay. I see some people talking about, I don't know if this is, I've, I've lost ability to tell if people are being sarcastic or not sometimes, but people are saying,

can Peter be Catholic and gay or Christian and gay? I'm like, I don't, I don't know what to do with that question. It's, it's, yes. Yes, yes. You can be those things. Can you be a Christian?

Right, right. It's almost like it's by definition. Can you be Christian and I don't know, cheat on your wife? Can you be Christian and watch porn? Can you be Christian and cheat someone? Can you be Christian and steal something? Yes, yes. All of those things.

This is where they can be Christian in those things. I try not to harp on other denominations. but this is where the evangelicals are really fucked with people's heads. Because this whole like dunk in water, your good thing is like, no, the dunking water is good. Like, God bless you. But now you're on the path. Like all the works in front of you. Yeah.

Right, right. It's not the end. We've said this so many times, but I'm sure there's a larger audience. You said it was the largest audience you've ever had for one of these. So probably bears saying again, Peter Thiel is not public about being gay. Peter Thiel was very upset when he was outed. He was outed as being gay, and he absolutely shat down the throat of the company that outed him. He completely annihilated them, salted the earth, and pissed on it.

He's not happy about being gay. He's ashamed of being gay. So, you know, he's not out here caping for trunes, very obviously. So, yes, I don't care that he's gay. In the same way that I don't care that Trump has cheated on his wife or slept with Hooker, or whatever he might have done. And it doesn't matter to me. I'm not saying it's good.

I'm not giving it my stamp of approval. I'm saying that, yes, these men are sinners. These men have sinful proclivities. They've made bad decisions. Who hasn't? Will Emanuel says, can you be Christian and not hit the like? I don't think you can. No.

No, that's the exception. You're going to hit the like. You're going to hit the subscribe. You're going to share this. You're going to send us a super chat or some sort of tipping option. You're going to go check out Matt. Shill for the audience, please, Matt. Tell the people where we can reach you out as we wrap this one up.

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in the answer. So join the Discord. at kingpill.com and you too can learn that you need to eat laundry detergent. That first one is free. The rest of them you have to pay to get access to. Yeah, exactly. It's the tease. It's just the tip. Last thoughts on Peter Thiel, friend, or federally, I want to cast your vote. Anyone in the comments or in the chat can cast their votes right now. I'm on the friend's side, as I said before, I think for pretty obvious reasons. I think all all directions are pointing to friend, at least at the moment.

And, you know, hey, I'll take it. I'll take a, I'll take a bit of friend as I will take the feel bucks, Peter, if you're listening. I just, uh, I'll hang out in Miami. I don't wear shorts though. Just we know this. He hates the beach. Him saying he'll hang out in Miami is a big thing.

Like he's willing to sacrifice. You have no idea. I very much obviously on the friend side. I, I, I've got a tremendous amount of respect for the man. And I think that he is a, I think it's a very complicated figure. I think he's very tormented. I see him as in sort of a similar way on that front that I do,

Jordan Peterson, um, that I think that they, they're very tormented and they are very self-conscious, very aware of that, um, very serious, very sincere people.

I think that Jordan Peterson is, I don't want to buy, by comparing them, I don't want to say I necessarily would put them in the same bucket on this front. I think that I would put Jordan Peterson much more to the Fed side. But I think Teal is, is probably one of the clearest friend votes that I could give on a friend or fed. Strom Thurman asked me, do I swim in pants? Well, I don't swim. Yeah. And I don't go to the beach because I hate the beach. What are you not getting?

Like, what do you think? Do you think I don't go to the beach and like, but I'm really into pools? He swims in his bathtub with pants on. Hell's wrong with you. It's obviously your problem, not mine. It's yours. Thank you, folks. Always a pleasure.

Matt, stick around. We're going to play a little bit of an outro. I'm, you know, just, you know, everyone who was watching this or who saw the intro. I love that hour long, what's it called? Like Peter. Oh, it was, I can't remember. I remember somewhere.

Yeah, anyways, this thing I'm able to play. Thank you folks. Again, appreciate each and every one of you, and we will see you again very, very soon. There's several different things one could say. It's um, I, I, I, I, I, there's several different things one could say. It's, uh, it's, it is, um,