The Pete Quiñones Show - Pete on the J Burden Show

Episode Date: January 30, 2025

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Beek Winona's. Welcome back to the Jay Burton show. How you doing, man? Hey, man. Doing good. This, um, how many times is this? Oh, wait a minute. No. Officially? Or how many times have you and I talked? Because those are two different numbers.

Yeah, I think I've told. the story of the missing Pete episode before. It was kind of a confluence of a spicy topic and just rapid onset early dementia from me. And so the combination of not a particularly stellar performance from your host and having to do enough editing to get that to stay up, I was basically left with a not particularly impressive 35 minutes. And so I was like, all right, you know what, I'd rather have you on and be able to post it than have to chop something up. But yeah, I'm really glad to have you back on. Oh, cool.

Yeah, I can't believe it was 25 minutes you had to get rid of. That's just so awesome. Just chalk another one up on my resume. Yeah, fair enough. So you and I have been, we've recorded a decent amount together with our mutual friends, Stormy, Astral, and Thomas. And, of course, I'll make sure to link to the Inquisition down in the description. But one of the things that we've been talking about in a group, it's basically how should the radical right wing relate to Donald Trump?

Because, and I don't want to turn this into a discussion of drama, but as I'm sure you're no doubt well aware, the reactions to the president have been highly variable, right? You have, of course, the MAGA wing, basically championing him as the, you know, the next Messiah. You know, you have the kind of black pill brigade, which is, you know, unsatisfied with, you know, matter what Trump delivers. And I think that you and I have a much more measured view of it. So I'm curious, right, in the in the broadest possible sense, what's your opinion on Trump and really what's been happening since his election? Well, I mean, I guess you have to start with the picks because that was the first thing that started people into separating into camps. So, you know, he picks somebody who said something nice about Israel once.

Some people don't like that. Some people are fine with it. He picks someone who, you know, is, you know, was going on and on and on about our greatest ally and how, you know, if we, if you don't exist, we don't exist. Well, I mean, you know, everyone's going to be up in arms over that one. but the way I look at politics is you just have to take a nuanced approach about it. And if you're a one issue person, I'm not even going to say a one issue voter because I'm sure a lot of the people who have opinions about this didn't even vote. But if you're one issue is something that is just not going to be cleared up. up anytime soon. As my friend Tommy Salmon says, is probably going to be the final boss,

then you're just going to be blackpilled. And I think there are enough people who basically created a, basically built an audience around nothing is going to change. Oh no, wait a minute, no, nothing's going to change now. It'll change in the future. I'm white pill. I'm, I'm, I'm black-pilled short-term. And I used to say that. And then I thought about it. And I'm like, well, then what am I going to see if I'm black-pilled in the short-term, but white-pilled in the long-term, how does that play out?

Is it like, is it going to be little victories along the way that I'm not allowed to celebrate because I'm black-pilled? Or is it going to be little victories along the way that I might celebrate? Then it turns out it wasn't a win at all. So then I get I have egg on my face because which I don't care about I've been wrong many many times I'll be wrong again. I'll have to do a maya culpa sort of like Curtis Yarvin did in his most recent article where he he came out and basically say yeah basically I was wrong. But yeah, I mean I the way I look at it is people have just broken up into the big difference that I see is there's like three groups.

There is the one group that's like, takes a nuanced approach and looks and goes, okay, we can build on this. This is good for our people. J-Sixers are out of prison. You know, a lot of these executive orders are really good. And stuff that we can build upon. And then you have people who are completely blackpilled, like nothing ever is going to change. And you're just coping if you're just coping.

if you see anything good in Trump. And you have the ones who just see our greatest allies, their greatest enemy, and that's the only thing that they can spurg about all day. And so they're not going to, they're not going to see any good in anything. So they're not even black pill. They're just like, they're so focused on just one thing

that, like, they can't get out of their way and they can't think, they can't rationalize or nuance anything in their thinking that could possibly be good for the future. I think you're completely right there. The thing to me is, look, I had very, very limited expectations of Trump, right? There were certainly people who claimed things would be different this time, and this is something that, you know, Thomas and I have been talking about for months now, right? that it's a very real possibility that second term Trump will be the same as first term Trump, right?

Which is we'll get a few wins, nothing major, we'll get a lot of noise, but nothing really changes. And, you know, until a few weeks ago, that was a pretty reasonable position. I certainly hoped for something more to happen, but I was cautiously optimistic. I said, great, it seems like, generally speaking, trends continue. And that was very much not what happened. And with this rash of executive orders, we basically got, I mean, we basically got our bingo carts cleared out, right? Not just one row, but like the whole thing.

You know, everything you could have asked for. You know, you recently spoke to Tom Woods about the release of Ross Ulberg, which is absurd. Like no one thought that was going to happen. Everyone thought that was the most absurd libertarian pipe dream, right? That guy's going to rock. Let me just interrupt you there for a second. I mean, I've known his mom for like 10 years now. I used to have his mom on the show all the time.

And my take on it was always, you know, he might have done some really, really bad stuff. But the court case was a complete joke. And then you find out that the judge was like mentioning the fact that he was white. And she would have to take into consideration and if he was a black guy from the Bronx, she would be treating him differently. When you find out that, you're like,

oh, okay, so he's just another victim of all this. And then, for those who don't know about the case, Chuck Schumer put this all together. This was all designed by Chuck Schumer and the Southern District and the Southern District of New York. So, yeah, I told Tom that I remember being in New Hampshire in 2019. I was speaking up there, and I was talking to her, And I was like looking her dead in the eye.

And my only thought was, is that this woman is going to die trying to get her son out of prison. And her son is going to be in prison for the rest of his life. So seeing, you know, Ross walk, the pictures of Ross walking out of jail, that was just, I mean, I can't believe it. You know, and people can say whatever they want about what he did. The thing is, there are people who get, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, I can't believe it. murder people and do less time than he's actually done. So if people could say, oh, well, he deserved his sentence, who deserves their sentence? What is the proper sentence for facilitating drug dealing?

What's the proper sentence for murder? What's the proper sentence for theft? What's the problem? What are you talking about? What are you talking about? You're defending the fucking regime now? No, it's, what is the proper, we have to figure this out. We have to blow this all up and we have to figure out, okay, so if someone, someone, you're

someone's facilitating drugs, drug dealing, and, you know, basically I think one of his biggest crimes was using Bitcoin. He made Bitcoin popular. He was one of the people who made Bitcoin popular. They see it as a threat, kind of. So, yeah, I mean, just the fact that Trump did this and that he kept this promise to a bunch of libertarians where he could have just told them, screw you, you have no power, you're nothing. I mean, it's just, it's wild.

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he had a very neat formula for what a, political win was, right? You know, it's something that increases your power, decreases your enemy's power, right? And look, obviously there's still court cases happening, but the very, very simple fact that ICE has been let off the leash, right? They're allowed to arrest illegals in, you know, in churches, in hospitals, schools. Well, which direction does that blow it? Similarly, right, they've been given a quota, right? You need to deport this many people a day. And again, look, like the country is as of current writing, still in dire straits. But, you know, primarily we are concerned with trend lines. And this is,

you know, a radical change, radical change in direction. You know, one of the other things I think about, right, and I may have mentioned this in our most recent episode of the Inquisition, is, you know, what is a good deal with a political leader? Like, what do you want? Because, and I'd love to be wrong here. I don't really see, you know, a Marcus Aurelius figure, right? A wise scholarly ruler, you know, a warrior poet all at once in our future. Again, I'd love to be wrong. But I think it's really reasonable to expect someone in power who, one, doesn't hate you. And two, as you're at least to a bare minimum, best interest in mind. And obviously you and I may have really no interaction with the government. But when I look at the people who are our proxies,

like the J-Sixers, like the 20 people convicted for praying outside of abortion clinics, who all got pardoned. Well, guess what? That's rewarding your friends, right? Rewarding Crump's friends, rewarding our friends. And alternately, the ICE decision, you know, they're going after the federal workers, that's punishing our enemies. And again, it's not based world, but it's a whole lot better than how things would be in any,

you know, conceivable alternative reality. I think one of the criticisms is that this is being driven by like big tech guys or elites, which it always is. The question comes down to do those elites hate you? Another good question is

if they're doing this, they're doing it for self-interest. Does their self-interest line up with your interest at all? It really appears to me like even people who would have been completely against Trump, and I know for a factor, people who are completely against Trump in his first term, have done a 180 and completely gone with Trump. And I think the reason why is that they see that

if change isn't made, their lives are going to be worse. And they don't want their lives to be worse. So if they don't want their lives to be worse, what's being, then you have to examine what exactly is being done. What have to bend their recommendations? What do they want to see done

that would make their lives better? And the only question you have to ask after that is, does it make my life better? Does their vision make my life better? And I would say from what we've seen so far, yeah. And I'll mention the Spurgs again, because I always do, is nothing's going to make them happy.

nothing is going to make them happy. And the reason I say nothing is going to make them happy, because the ones I'm specifically talking about what they want, they're never going to get, not in their lifetime. Maybe it's something down the road, but nothing's going to happen in their lifetime. So this is their existence. So I've taken to liberally just blocking people.

I mean, I can't. There's too much, I mean, Trump just announced today, and this was after speaking to Buckelly, I don't know, you know, if anybody else has put this together. He speaks to Buckelly, and he was talking to other countries about paying to take our prisoners. And I'm assuming when he talked to Buckelly and maybe talk to Eric Prince, he's like, we got Guantanamo Bay. You know, if we have these violent, insanely violent illegals here,

then we need to put them somewhere. If their countries don't want to take them back, what do we do with them? and he's talking about a facility that'll hold 30,000 on one Tonimo Bay. I mean, just stop for a second. Stop for a second and think about any president in the last whenever

who's saying something like that. Those words are coming out of his mouth, not a proxy. He's going out there and saying, yeah, you know, we got this facility, it's on an island. You know, we can have them. Maybe we can have them. He didn't say this, but I'm like, I'm thinking, man, get them growing, get them growing tobacco.

Cuban cigars are back on the menu. I mean, this is a beautiful thing. When would you ever think you would hear that? But then again, you're going to have people who are out there who is, this is all a trap, man. It's leading us to a trap. There's a trap at the end of this. It's a trap at the end of politics everywhere.

And the trap is you're not going to get everything you want, unless you become powerful and you become king and you go and do what he's doing or you become an elite and you finance something like this you're not going to get what your so just be miserable yeah it's one of the other things and this is kind of uh this is kind of gone under the radar is uh did you see trump uh pulling out his inner mold bug where he's basically said he's going to offer an early retirement option for federal employees basically pay them out as long as they promise never to work for the feds again. Did you notice that? Yeah, I saw that. That's, yeah, I think it, they said, like,

originally the idea would be, like, for four years, give them, like, the whole, you know, the whole length of whatever term or something like that, where you pay him for four years, and he's saying eight months. But I think at this point, especially if you offer to pay all that up front, I think people will take it. I think, I mean, I'm, I know this is anecdotal. but I'm hearing it from enough people that they know people who are just quitting. They're federal employees.

They've been working from home for four years now. And they either don't want to go back into the office or they don't want to go back into an office where Trump's, that portrait of Trump, which was done purposely. So it could sit there and shitlibs could look at it, have to look at it all day when he sent them back to work. that these people aren't calling back to work. So, you know, I think, yeah, I always said that I've been saying for a while, at least for a year now that they need to, the executive branch needs to get rid of about two million employees. And it looks like, you know, they could be on their way to that.

So, yeah, and, you know, if they want to stay, make their lives miserable. And that's easy enough to do. Well, definitely. And again, with all of these, at the very least, you have to admit that this is promising start. This is much, much more than really anyone could have reasonably expected. And, you know, one of the things that I am, I'm always cautious of. Maybe it's because I grew up during the George Bush era, right, is, you know, being folded back in, right? You've read Kaczynski, Pete, and, you know, the system's greatest trick, what, you know, Uncle Ted describes

is the process by which, you know, dissidents are tricked into reforming the system, right, that they will make it more efficient. And I certainly, one, think there's some risk of that, right? That's a real problem. But also, is it containment if you're getting what you want, right? Okay, you don't literally get to change, maybe, you know, the people in power or the system more broadly. but is your primary issue, you know, that things are being run very badly or the system in and of itself needs to change?

And I at least have, you know, complaints in both areas, right? I'm not a big fan of democracy, but I'd be an idiot for looking a gift horse in the mouth and deciding that, you know, I'm not going to accept the positive benefits of democracy when it goes my way. So I'm curious, do you think there's any risk of sort of containment for the broader right? Well, I think one of the, you know, when you take Kaczynski into account, you have to realize that he wouldn't want, he doesn't want the system to exist at all. He wants to go back to the Bronze Age. So when he's examining the system, you have to look at it from that lens. Do we, are we anarchists? Then you have to ask a question, are we anarchists? Are we looking to burn this all down? with the sure with the intention of having something better afterwards do we have the power to build what's at or have we built what comes next no we have it so most importantly I think is

more important than anything is you what needs to be tore down of those those myths you know I think there are people out there who are doing really good work to tear down the myth of of World War II, you hear Trump referring to the New Deal. He may have called the New Deal collaborators. Thomas talks about the New Deal regime and the Nuremberg regime. Ready for huge savings?

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So it's obvious that somebody is in his ear putting this stuff, putting this stuff into his head. I don't think it's the system that we, the physical system, I don't think we're looking to tear down. I think we're looking to tear down the philosophy. So if you tear down the philosophy and it's replaced with something that's more amenable to you, that, you know, you're okay you can live with, well, then, you know, I'm fine with that. But, you know, you're also going to have to lower your expectations because you're not going to get the perfect. you know, if Burnham has taught us anything, it's that ideology, if you have an ideology, it's not going to manifest perfectly in reality.

So, temper your expectations and seek to, you know, wish for, push for, do whatever you can do, because, I mean, it seems like some people are being listened to. I mean, you can hear our guys echoed all over the place by people in power now. Then we should, you know, we should keep pushing, but we need to decide what we're willing to live with because you're never going to have the perfect. It's all about tradeoffs. So when we spoke last, you were strongly encouraging me to listen to an episode of the Tucker Carlson. show with Kurt Mills. And I did. I thought it was really fascinating. Because look, you know, I've read elite theory the same as anyone. And so that colors a lot of my analysis. And I think

incorrectly, my mental model was there are two interest groups in the Republican Party. There are tech bros and neocons in the most disparaging use of that word you can imagine. Right. And what I realized, honestly, I should have realized this earlier, but I finally kind of hit me like a bolt from the blue the other day, was that this is actually, there are three camps here, right? And I don't know what you want to call that third camp, right, the America first camp, you know, the true MAGA base or whatever. But there are a number of people, Carlson included, you know, we could find some others who were much, much closer to us than. either the tech pros and certainly the neocons. And while certainly we can get some things we want from the tech pros, right? Musk is, you know, not always, but at least we'll say, you know,

generally more aligned with us than someone like Victoria Newland. This camp is quite interesting. So in the interview, right, and I encourage everyone, go listen to it. It's possibly the most important recording of 2025 so far, all 29 days of it. But effectively, we have Tucker and Mills going through neocon influence, right, how they're trying to worm their way into the Trump presidency and over and over and over again saying, we need to fight these people. I mean, about a third of it is directly going after Barry Weiss, you know, saying she is basically an organ of the Israeli government. And what's interesting, right, is I'm sure you remember, right, when Mike Pompeo was set to be, you know, brought into the government. And Tucker, allegedly, right, according to rumor, basically called up Trump and said, don't do it.

Mike Pompeo is not in the government. And to me, that article, or that, you know, audio file, which I highly recommend everyone listening to, is basically him telling Donald Trump, you know, don't make friends. with Bibi, and admittedly he goes through the two have probably already started a feud. You know, don't listen to these crazy neocons. And that is the one big thing we need to fix. It's actually a very good history of the neo-conservative movement. And to me, that third group of elites is very, very interesting, right? I think that, you know, like you said earlier, we're never going to get something perfect. But we've gone from a party with basically one elite cast and an insurgency to three different groups all vying for support. And I mean, that honestly

reminds me quite a bit of what Burnham says the ideal state is, right, which is to have multiple elite groups vying for your support. Admittedly, the neocons don't seem to care what we think, but you know what, I'll take two over none. Sorry, Pete, that was a big rant from me. I'm curious what you think. Yeah, I think I realized about a year and a half ago, especially after October 7th, the way a lot of things were being said on different podcasts, especially like Judge Knapp Show, that there was, I realized at that time,

you know, we've had the neocons, I've known about them forever. The tech bros, we were just figuring out, just starting to talk about the PayPal Mafia and everything. But then there are these wasps, historic wasps families.

You know, Tucker, Tucker's wife, definitely. I mean, if anyone knows her family. Douglas McGregor, Colonel McGregor is a, you know, old school wasp, and he's bringing all these old school wasps in there. He's had an old school wasp at, at the Federal Reserve, well, he hasn't, but there's been an old school wasp at the Federal Reserve. I think he's seventh generation, Virginian, Jerome Powell, Scott Besson, I mean, obviously there's a big problem and with Scott Besson.

He's like ninth generation American. And he's bringing all these people in who are, I don't think they're on either of those sides, but I think they're more willing to work with the PayPal Mafia and the tech pros than they are with the neocons. Because I think they've seen that their power in the last hundred years has been supplanted. And Stormy and I did an episode,

the three episodes on, you know, the robber barons that tried to save America. and when you look at those robber barons, it's all basically wasperalty. And when you look at what Powell has done at the Federal Reserve, where he's basically gone to war with the city of London and Davos for the last three, four years now, seeking to destroy the euro. I think he's done a really good job. I think a year ago, the euro was at a buck 40.

Is it like 103 now? my whole childhood, the British pound was at, it was almost like pegged $2 to a pound. And it's down to like $1.10. People don't realize this. And, you know, if you really want to, I can't break it down as well as Tom Luongo. And so go listen to Tom Luongo, Gold Goats and Guns podcast. And he's been on my show so you can search. And he breaks it down exactly how he's been doing it, destroying lives.

So you're bringing the interest rates back home to this country. So we make our own interest rates in London and Europe aren't determining how much your credit card you're borrowing in Texas is what the interest rate is going to be on it. Yeah, that would that have been all co-opped co-opted by Europe. So you're seeing this war that's been happening for a few years now, especially out of Powell. And you hear it out of Jamie Diamond, too, at JP Morgan. And, yeah, the, when I look at these groups and say there's three, let's call it three groups, I see the wasps, I see the neocons, and I see, you know, the tech pros. And the tech pros and the wasps have some crossover. You know, famously like Mark Andreessen is, he's from like a small town in Minnesota or Wisconsin or something like that. the um you know what you're it's pretty obvious if you know what to look for if you just don't think

there's this one group that has all this power they control everything um they're super they're super humans and you know no one can no one can touch their power well i think if you um you know if you stop being a neocon yourself because that's neocon thinking and zionist thinking um you'll be able to see that there are people who there are other groups who are coming in and they want their especially the Lossp elite they want their power back well this is something i've been really saying as long as is i have a podcast right but power is a brutal game and one of the things i just kept saying over and over again during the Biden administration is like the these people are playing the game badly right they are not these kind of like hyper-competry

competent Machiavellians. They're just stupid. They're making bad mistakes. And that opens up, you know, as we've seen, an opportunity for someone to outmaneuver them. Right. I noticed an interesting report that came across my desk today. Do you know what the disapproval rate for the Democratic Party is right now? Is there approval rating at like 13% or something like that? Yes. It's incredibly low, incredibly low, historically low. And look, you'd think, right, if we were running by the 2016 playbook, that the public, according to conventional wisdom, says it doesn't like when Donald Trump does radical scary things, right? Like saying, you know, making immigrants cry or whatever. And that's not the case. The public at large seems to be unbothered. Now, certainly some of that is due to the fact that Trump has been normalized, right? You can admit that. But I think another part of the of it is that the left in this country has been in charge and made an absolute hash of it. They've really left the country in a shameful state.

And I was actually thinking about this the other day, that Joe Biden winning 2020 might have been the best thing to ever happen to Donald Trump, right? Both from a narrative sense, both from an organizational sense, and also from a justification nation sense, right? That you come back with a, you know, a huge historic win off the back of a verily poor, managed country. And that gives you the license to do truly radical, albeit necessary things. Actually, I took some flack for this, but, you know, I publicly said that, you know, we on the right owe Trump loyalty. I didn't say obedience, right? Or, you know, we don't, you know, flop over and let him do whatever he wants. But we do owe him a little bit of loyalty. Because basically,

right, like what is the political exchange you have with your leader? Right. Well, I give you, you know, my loyalty and you do things for me. Okay, fair enough. That's pretty much the deal. And, you know, in the feudal system, it was really simple. It was like, you give me fealty. I protect you with my sword. Right. And this is, you know, a minorly more complicated version of that. And in this case, right, we've been handed this massive raft of wins. You know, we've been handed all of these things. We've had our friends pardoned. You know, we've had these, you know, plans enacted to do what we want. And I think that, I mean, if there's any honor in this, we have to hold up our edge of the bargain. And look, I realize Trump isn't going to be up for office again. It's not like he needs our votes. But I think that there is a reciprocal relationship there. And I think that, you know, really the most exciting thing about Trump, or one of the most exciting things about Trump, as he's kind of returned us to a more honest form of politics, at least on the right. The left has got this forever, right, that we support someone because they give us stuff, right? patronage. But the right

has been kind of like fed this weak gruel that, you know, we, the best we could ever get from our government is just to leave us alone. No, I don't want to be left alone. I want my friends rewarded and my enemy's punished, right? Like that very simple formula. And if that happens, well, all right, I'll hold up my end of the bargain. And I think that that's a difficult thing to say as someone who's kind of labeled themselves as a dissident. And obviously that's conditional. You know, he could do any number of things to lose that loyalty. But until then, like, fair enough, he did it. Yeah, you know, especially after four years, you know, you mentioned best thing that could happen with Trump losing in 2020.

What you saw for four years, and I think a lot of the, a lot of the Spurgy ideologues don't realize this, is that you basically had no president. So, you know, in a managerial system like we've had for, you know, 100 years, you know, you know, that the people who are unelected and, you know, elite or, you know, deep state, they get their way. but at least prior to that there was the it appeared that there was someone in charge you had four years of people who were paying attention just knowing that that guy wasn't in charge

he wasn't making decisions I mean look at all the pardons he handed it down at the end I mean with the exception and probably when he parted his whole family that was probably Jill I don't think he came into that decision. I think she did it. The rest of those pardons, J6 commission,

all these, come on, you think he did this? That was just people walking in there and going, yeah, this is what we're going to do here. Here's a crayon sign show. And you had people, I mean, the pullout of Afghanistan, which was just a complete debacle,

had to be done, but it could have been done better. you had the Ukraine War. This is a war that the neocons basically got the, you know, forced Russia's hand. And if you don't think that that's possible, I mean, Brzynski in 1979, they were bragging about how they got Russia to invade Afghanistan. I mean, they talk about this. I mean, what was the name of his book, Grand Chess Boy? they talk about how they can just move people.

They can put people into situations where they force them to act and do things that they don't really want to do. I mean, if I was Putin, I probably would have invaded in 2014. But after four years of seeing that no one was in charge and basically you just had every interest group that possibly could was running around and doing whatever they wanted to do and getting things past, taking money here. I mean, it's just, it was just

eluding. Now you have someone in there who, you know, some will say, oh, well, you know, he, very Amadelson, gave him $100 million, you know, so, no, oh, well, Timothy Mellon gave him $170 million. Elon Musk gave him $250 million. I don't think his loyalties are just to one

group. So I think it's better, even if Trump is completely controlled, at least there are somebody he's there and he appears to be in charge. I don't think he's completely controlled. I think he can be influenced by smart people. It's just a matter of who are those people. Who are they influencing? I mean, people lost their minds when he said Marco Rubio was going to be Secretary of State. And I thought about it for a day and I said, well, if you're going

to have these mass deportations, you're going to have to have to have to have to be able to go went to Latin America and talk to these people. And especially someone who hates communists. So Marco Rubio is going to be the guy in Latin America. And what's the first assignment he gets? Go to Panama. He's not going and telling BB that, you know, we support you and whatever you do and everything.

He's not even in that section. He's not in that milieu. He is doing what, you know, a bunch of us we're looking at for the last year and going on, I think I see what's going on here. And I mean, I'm not going to break my hand, pat myself on the back, but I called a lot of this. And I took a lot of crap along the way for it. And it seems like the only people I continue to take crap from are the people who are just completely black-pilled or they just, they have one enemy and they can't see it.

And they see red whenever that is brought up or whenever they look at the United States government. But, I mean, we're, what we're seeing now is we're seeing some. somebody who, at least when he's signing these executive orders, he's making it, the implication is, and sometimes he's outright saying it, this is going to be good for the American people. And then you have someone like Tom Homan running around. I wish he would, you know, tell Dr. Phil to, you know, go do something else. But you have him running around and, you know, saying, okay, we're just arresting.

You know, everybody's like, well, Obama deported me. more people that, you know, at this rate, he's just concentrating on the most, the most violent people. And you're, you're seeing, I'm already hearing again, anecdotally, people who are completely frightened that there are people they know, or people they know are completely frightened because they know they're here illegal here, they've overstayed their visa or whatever. And they're going back. They're just like, well, I mean, it's going to be better off if I do it on my own than if I, you know, if I'm being forced to do it, I'm being arrested to do it, arrested and then thrown out of the country. Yeah, I don't see anyone who can look, put it this way, anyone who is at this point,

their take on everything that's happening is to find the negative in it, to find like some grand conspiracy in it. I mean, I just don't know, you know, if you honestly believe that, I feel bad for you because, I mean, this is just the kind of thinking that the negative thinking all the time is probably affecting your health or you're selling, you're selling something. And I mean, that's basically the way I'm looking at everything right now. Yeah, I'm curious, what do you make of Tucker? right because what I noticed and I recently had a long drive and you know so I's listening to a lot of podcasts and he you know I listened to the episode I mentioned earlier and then another one with Matt Taeevi I believe is that look he's not perfect right but what is he doing right he's platforming our friends right Darrell who's a mutual friend friend of both of us. He platformed him. He is basically speaking on our behalf against the neocons. And look, is he to my left on any number of issues? Certainly. But what does America

look like in a world where Sean Hannity is that popular? Is it better? And again, this doesn't mean that like, you know, a conservative talking point got a lot of hits on YouTube, next stop revolution. Not at all. But just to say that I think he occupies a very interesting place in the media ecosystem. But back to you, Pete. Well, I think I've said this recently, when in Trump's first term, Trump would come out during the day and he would say, we're going to do this, we're going to do that. And it was just horrible what he was planning on doing. And Tucker would go on his show at night and just criticize that and tear it apart of the one. why it was a bad idea.

And what, 80% of the time, Trump would come the next day and go, eh, we're not doing that. Tucker is, Tucker has an agenda, it's whatever his agenda is. I would not be surprised if Tucker has people. I would not be, you know, like,

I've said this about, um, Colonel McGregor every time he goes on Judge, Knapp show. I stop what I'm doing when, when that episode dropped. because, in my opinion, Colonel McGregor is putting out a message for somebody else.

That it's not his message. It might be his message, part of it, but I believe he is transmitting information out there that certain groups and certain interests want to get into the zeitgeist. I think Tucker's the same way. Except I think as the years have gone by, Tucker has drifted further towards what we want. than where he was, you know, when he was promoting the Iraq war, which he does, you know, which he does

me a culpa, I mean, almost, it seems like every episode, he brings up the fact that I supported the Iraq war and I'm sorry, I was wrong. And you just don't see that. And when does Sean Hannity come out and said, I was wrong on something? No, he's an actor. He's, he, if somebody isn't writing his lines for him, and then he's saying whatever he thinks needs to be said at that time to keep his position or to for his reputation or whatever.

And it seems like Tucker doesn't care anything about that. And there are still going to be people who are going to say, well, you know, if Tucker is serving someone else and everything, you know, what do we know about that person? I don't know. All you can do is judge the message. And I don't know that there is much that I disagree with Tucker. sure there are some things here and there. I wish he was a little more.

I mean, he's actually talked about wasps. He's used that terminology. He's called himself a wasp. He's referred to himself as a wasp. You know, I also happen to know that Tucker has definitely listens to our guys. I mean, I've been told from a very reliable source that he has listened to our guy's shows personally. It's not like his producers listen to him

or his writers listen to him, that he listens to him. And that there are conversations being had that people would be shocked by. I tend to, when I hear stuff in the background, you know, people are always like, oh, you hear stuff in the background, would just trust the plan?

It's like, no, if you have someone feeding you information and you reveal who that is, it's going to, I mean, they're not going to feed you information. anymore and you're going to lose a friend you don't do that to friends so you know i apologize when i'm like look you don't have to trust me but i'm what here's what i'm telling you and if it comes to if it comes true what i'm telling you then you know it seems like my source is valid and it just seems to me that tucker may be the greatest friend that we have that mills episode i've listened to it

twice i mean i never take notes on a podcast and i have two pages of notes over here on it and And I mean, it was, you know, I was talking to our mutual friend, Dark Enlightenment. And he said, if I were to go on a show and talk about this group of people and I knew that I had to, you know, watch my language, the conversation that was going on there would be what I was, the things that I would say. So how am I, you know, I can only judge somebody by what's what they're doing. what's coming out of their mouth, what they're saying. And their intentions, everybody may have intentions behind the scenes of something, you know, whatever. But I don't know what that is.

I can just go by what I know. So again, natural pessimist, right? I mean, it should be no shock to anyone. So I think there's a common objection to what we've said today, which is this is just, you know, the new version of what the alt-right said. We're red-pilling Normies. We're creating a cultural revolution.

I would argue this is completely different for two reasons. One, why do we care that Tucker Carlson is saying something? Is it because, you know, he has the most viewers? No. It's because important people listen when he says something, right? That's it. I don't care what Normies heard that episode. I care what elites were listening to that episode.

episode. That's all I care about. That's why I got excited about that episode because Tucker Carlson, it's like Scott Adams. I probably agree with Scott Adams on maybe 30 or 40% of things when I listen to him. But when Scott Adams is talking about racial relations in this country, or he says, I can't support Israel anymore, it's not just normies that listen to him. Elites listen to Scott Adams and they're hearing things and they're making, maybe they haven't thought this way before. Maybe they haven't because they're in this ivory tower and they're protected by everything and they have guards.

They don't realize what is going on. All of that can fall apart. That if you get, if this country gets bad enough, you're going to have to hire a private army. And then the next person who has enough money can just pay that army to turn on you. It's about who listens to this. these people. I don't know what it. I mean, I have an idea of a couple of people that we would consider to be elites that listen to me. But I know that like probably most of them, most of the

ones that we'd be interested in their opinion turning in our direction, listen to Tucker. That's the only thing that's important. I'm sorry, I interrupt you. No, no, not at all. And similarly, right, how do we disprove that idea that we're just running the same right-wing playbook from 10 years? ago, you know, of, you know, shifting quote unquote the discourse. It's because it's produced fruit, right? Any number of these things, right, was outside of the conceptual window, certainly four years ago, but I would argue eight years ago, right? All of these were wild fever dreams. And the fact that the Overton window has been shifted enough, and not all of it is from us, right? A large part of it is that people react to power. And when power does something that is seen after the case is being

legitimate. And I think that's what we're seeing. Obviously, there's still a big fight going on. None of this is done. But I think, if anything, we really owe a lot to Donald Trump simply for shifting the view of what is seen as possible, right? Because look, like, I don't want to stop here. I want to keep going. There is more that needs to be done. That's more radical than any of the things we've seen so far, right, in order for this country to be, you know, stable and livable and the, you know, a real culture, right, to return to that. And I don't think, at least from my perspective, you can jump from one to the other. But even a, I was going to say even a 5%, but let's be honest, this is what, like a 20, 30% jerk one direction in a few weeks. Like, to me, it'd be stupid

to turn your nose up at that. Yeah, the, I think I heard, and I think I heard it from like some some progressives that like a poll was done recently and trumps at like a 59% approval rating. I mean, do you understand what that is? Does anybody understand what that is? If you take into consideration that 30% of the country is like staunchly on one side, and 30% of the country is staunchly on the other side, and those two groups will never agree with each other. That means Trump is won 75% of the middle.

I mean, that would be huge. That would be insane. And we were just talking about we're not looking to have a normie revolution here. If you were to red pill, you know, if you read pill 300 million normies, what do you do with them? But the, you know, what I like to say is, you know, everybody thinks if there's a revolution, it's going to be 1776. in this country, it could very well turn into 1789 or 1793 really quick. And you don't want either of those. You don't want that one. You don't want a revolution at all. What you want is you want a reconfiguring of what people are willing to accept. And the only way to fix all of this

is to do it by Fiat. That's the one thing Yarvin was right about. If you are going to fix this, it has to be fixed like all at once. And it seems like that's the path that it's on. Now, you know, just talking to the people who, you know, listen to us,

it's like, well, what are you willing to live with? What tradeoffs are you willing to make? Politics is all about tradeoffs. It always has been. The founders knew it was all about tradeoffs. You know,

whenever you have one side just looking to command everything, it just seems like there's this metaphysical forces, steps in and goes, all right, we're going to have to do something about this really quickly. What are you willing to, what do you want? What do you, because if what you want is out of the realm of possibility, then, you know, as our buddy, you know, who we mentioned a bunch of times, Thomas says, you're not even in the game. You're not in the game. You're just basically looking to, you know, and, you know, another thing he says, if you want what you want, go build. it yourself there's enough there's enough space in this country that you can go and do your own

thing maybe not advertise it like an idiot um but you know go build your own thing or you're willing to put up with what you know you're willing to make some tradeoffs for having things drastic having a government that doesn't hate you and how about that yeah i unfortunately pete i have a a heart out i've really enjoyed this conversation i i the reason i I wanted to have you on if it wasn't obvious is I've been really unsatisfied with probably 90% of the discourse about, you know, current thing. I get it. People are excited about it. I am too. People are not excited. People are scared to state their opinions, especially content creators. Content creators are scared to put their reputation on the line. They're scared to make predictions because they'll be wrong. I've been wrong so many fucking times and people still, I think that's one of the things is I always say, man, I was really wrong about that. I got to change my thinking. I think people are just scared to be wrong. They're cowards. They're scared to put themselves out there. Well, I'm sorry. I've been

doing this. This is my eighth year doing this. I've been wrong a lot. And I'm going to continue to be wrong. I'm going to fucking deal with it. And if people don't like it, well, they don't have to listen. It's, I have a very spotted history with making predictions on the internet. And my most recent prediction, which I'll admit has a certain amount of evidence that, you know, Pete, you will understand. My prediction is World War II anti-gravity technology is coming back. And I've staked my entire reputation on that. So we'll see how that goes.

But I know exactly what you mean, right, is that people are so afraid of looking foolish, right? that they're unwilling to actually have, to be honest, interesting ideas at all. And I mean, that's exactly what, you know, pushed me out of kind of traditional conservative politics. But Pete, we're fast coming up on time. If people want to find you in your work, what's a good way for them to do that? The Pekanjana show, all podcatchers, petesubstack.com, and the old glory club, and the Inquisition. and the Inquisition search substack and the episodes always go up on my feed.

Old Glory Club episodes go up on my feed and everything goes up on my substack and everywhere else that I put stuff. So, yep, just if you haven't heard me before, just go to a podcatcher, put my name in there, and just listen to an episode and see what you think. I appreciate it, Pete. Thanks for coming out.

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