The Pete Quiñones Show - Pete's Appearance on the 'RealSwampCast'

Episode Date: January 8, 2025

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on the AIC AIE. All right Welcome to the show everybody It's been a week right? I think something

like that right, right, Rob Hey, we got Pete with us tonight if you don't know Pete's a documentarian

philosopher, writer, author, all those good things Monopoly on Violence is a great movie you haven't seen it but watch it uh he's got a lot of writing on his substacks and everything else that are down below pete how you doing tonight doing good doing good what are we going to talk about

uh you know i it's going to go all kinds of places before we do uh rob what do you drink it tonight i have just stocked up the home bar uh sorry i'm a little late uh work calls tonight we're trying to sue some people but uh drinking the traveler whiskey uh haven't tried this one yet i heard it's It's decent as on that Jack Daniels, Jim Beam kind of level. So we'll see. I'm going to be drinking the Maker's Mark tonight. Pete's not going to drink with us. He doesn't want to get in trouble.

We'll try to avoid that. A little later. Later, I'll have a little Madeira. Madeira. Okay. All right. Good deal. Yeah, no, I don't want to spend too much time on this,

but I do feel obligated to ask because we do have a largely libertarian audience. But I really don't know what you've been up to since that. whole thing or what your take on it has been since the takeover, the Chase Oliver campaign, the whole deal leading into the election. From what I remember, you know, you were kind of in support in the beginning a little bit and then quickly move to the, you guys should join the Republican Party instead and do that. That would be more effective and less waste of your time. The GOP Mises Caucus became like a big thing. I remember that. And then I don't really remember much else after that. I've heard different things, but I wanted to talk to you directly.

because I feel like that's the best way to do it. So what has been your take on the whole election strategy or whatever you want to call it of the Libertarian Party? And then how did you approach the election and thoughts afterwards that whole deal? Where are you had on that? Well, I mean, I came to the conclusion later in 2021 that if reading people like Conquest and Robert Conquest that if something isn't explicitly right wing, it's going to go left wing. It always does.

It has to be explicitly. It has to be based upon something right wing. So I saw the takeover happen. I was happy for them, you know, because, I mean, I have friends there. I like, you know, I liked it. I was watching it in 2022 when I was at Childerberg

and, you know, hanging out with Bird and the guys from Timeline Earth and typo from all those guys were there. And, you know, I was genuinely happy because, you know, these are friends of mine. But I also knew that unless you took a very staunch right-wing approach, things were going to fall apart. And unfortunately, it only took two years. And then you get Chase Oliver running. I mean, you can use the excuse that Dave should have run. It would have been, you know, okay, sure.

But you should have had something in place. And, you know, I'm friends with Michael Reckinwald. I like Michael Reckinwald a lot. But it was, people didn't get excited for Mike. And people wanted Dave. And they felt like Dave had strung along and everything. And I'm just like, look, if you, I talk about politics a lot. I was one of the people, I said in February, I thought J.D.

Vance was going to be the vice president. I said that there were all these tech guys we figured out in January and February that all these tech guys were moving in to get in Trump's orbit. And, you know, I started seeing how things actually work. And you need, if you're going to have any kind of power, you need elites. And you need elite backing. And I saw that Trump had elite backing. Then you go over to the Libertarian Party and there is really, you know, who's backing them once

so yeah I like and I do actually like what Angela is doing as far as talking to talking to Trump and talking to his people and looking to make deals you know if they get if they get Ross out of prison which I mean he shouldn't be there mostly because of all the corruption that was

in the case you know nobody most people wouldn't have gone to prison for all he did. But I like what they're doing. I just, it's not, I have a tendency to believe that we're in a, basically we're in a, the Atlantic is globalism or nationalism, nationalism, regionalism. And when I look at things like laissez-faire,

You know, truly free markets, which are pushed, it's globalism. It's, you know, it's going across borders and what's the most, the most expensive good you have when you have a business is labor. And you're going to say fair people are going to be pushing for labor to be able to cross borders. You see Musk doing it. You see all these people doing it who have libertarian leanings. And I just think that leads to globalism. So right now I'm basically at a. regionalism standpoint where you do things as local as possible but it has to have a distinct

tenor of right wing to it or else it's going to go left wing eventually it always does it you can't point to anything in history that wasn't explicit that wasn't marginally right wing that doesn't eventually go left wing it has to be this is this is the foundation we stand upon and we are not going to move one inch from it. Yeah. Where do you place that divide at between left and right? Because I kind of agree with you.

I don't even know if it has to be explicitly right wing, as long as it's explicitly anti-left wing, right? Like, I think that's probably, it's a distinction without a difference, I guess. But where would you put, like, what would you say that distinction is? Also, take a drink, Rob. Magoo just gave us $10. I want to do it pinky up.

What's on, McGoo? Where would I place it? I mean, certainly hierarchy. Having to believe in natural hierarchy and also caring about your, caring about living historically. Living historically means that you live for your, you live for your descendants, you live for the people coming after you, but you also know the people who came before you. And one of the reasons I live where I live is because there are people who have been living here for, you know, a couple hundred years. Right.

And there's a sense of history here. There's a sense of a foundation here. And it can't be swept to and fro by the, you know, the latest fad, the latest thing that the regime and their media is selling you, whether it be trans, whether it be whatever. There, you have to be able to stand your ground and say. say no. And I think when it comes down to it, living historically and knowing who, knowing where you came from and knowing and passing that information along is probably the

most, you know, is something that we just don't have. We've, most people don't know their great grandfather's name. And I didn't know my great grandfather's name. I didn't know my, yeah, my great grandfather's name on my mom's side through my grandmother until I started doing recent searches and recent research. So, you know, finding out who these people are, where they came from, I mean, these are, they're you. They're just a form of you in the past. And you're supposed to know who they are and supposed to make them proud.

Yeah. Yeah, no, go ahead. No, I think it is important to know where you came from. I always look at the past as like a way to learn from other people's mistakes and try to improve on that and move forward. and then, you know, some of the things that worked as well. Like, you know, we tried different things all, like nothing new under the sun, right? Everybody's tried everything. So we kind of know what works and what doesn't work. And people that ignore that, you know, are doomed to repeat it. Yeah, I guess, you know, like I said, I don't want to spend too much time on libertarian stuff. I kind of tend to agree with you. It didn't turn out the way I wanted it to. I'm okay with what they're doing now. I don't know how much it's going to be effective or successful or how much is really going to. change at the end of the day. The bigger part of the, and Rob, if you wanted to add anything to that, go for it. But I think what I wanted to go more, spend more time on is kind of like where we're

at now, now that Trump has one, you know, what's coming up next, all those kinds of things. You mentioned the immigration thing. When we did our yearly recap of kind of like what happened and where we think things are going, that was kind of one of the things that I pointed at and said, I think there's going to be a huge battle over immigration. I think there's a lot of people on the right, especially that support it. But even, you know, not just left-wingers, not just libertarians, not just, you know, whatever, there's going to be a big backlash if Tom Homan does what he's talking about doing mass deportations. If that actually comes to fruition, that's like, you catch them in the corner of your eye, distinctive by design, they move you,

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of a unique experience this Christmas with vouchers from Trump-Dunbeg. Search Trump-Ireland gift vouchers. Trump on Doonbiog, Kush Farage. That's civil war shit right there. Like people are going to stand in the way, I feel like. But maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. I just feel like there's going to be a huge over this issue, like it's going to be the next, like, not maybe not on the same level as Black Lives Matter, but maybe, like, it's going to be a big brawl, I feel like. But I don't know. What do you think of, like, do you agree with that? Do you disagree with that? Or is there something else that maybe I should pay more attention to? I mean, I think that there are a lot of people who are screaming about how, you know, we not only have to stop immigration, but we need to remigrate people who are, know someone in their life who's here. illegally that they want to make an exception for and that's just not acceptable. You know, you have to be able to say, yeah, if we are going to get rid of everyone who's here illegally, we have to get rid of everyone who's here illegally.

I don't care if you like them or not. Yeah. You know, but we also have to look, you also have to look at some of the laws that went into place that, you know, birthright citizenship and things like that. I mean, that's a big, that's a big deal, you know. Vivek has, you know, really shown, you know, Vivek used to say, you know, you pronounce my name Vivek like steak. And, you know, I'm like, well, you pronounce it like snake because he's a snake. I mean, he told us exactly, he told us exactly what he thinks.

He thinks that Indians are better than Americans. That's what that tweet said. That tweet said that people who were here, you suck, you're weak, you're stupid, and we need to bring all these street shitters over here and to replace you. What it was, I haven't seen this tweet. I'm cold reacting here. What, what tweet is this? I have it in my, uh, in my bookmarks. Indians are better than Americans.

Indians are better than Americans at what, eating cow poo Vivek? What are we talking about? Running a 7-Eleven. Uh, calling me, uh, you know, really good at communication, these Indian people calling me all the time. I don't like, what is he talking about here? Trying to figure out how to put it in the in the private chat. Yeah, you can put it there or you can send it to me in a DM, whatever's easier for you. That's fine.

If there's so much better, then why does India smell so bad, Vivek? Like, tell me what the fucks go. We did play Geo Gessor, India style the other day. And you missed it, Rob. It was terrible. This week, I have been just super inundated with work and last week and the holidays. Indians are in like the X algorithm right now. For whatever we like the there's something going on and we it's this whole conversation

Yeah. Okay. Well, here's I mean, yeah, this is this is the tweet. I mean, if you read the whole thing, it is absolutely insane. The reason top tech come, I won't read the whole thing, but I'll try to read some of it. The reason top tech companies often hire foreign born and foreign first or, oh, and first generation engineers over Native Americans isn't because of an innate American IQ deficit, a lazy and wrong explanation. A key part of it comes down to the C word culture, tough questions,

demand tough answers, and if we're really here serious about fixing the problem, then we have to confront the truth. So is he saying that Americans don't have a hard work attitude and culture? He's basically applying the stereotype of the lazy American to everybody. And what he's saying is he's like there's no white engineers out there. And oh, you know, And at one point in here, he says, and other people were saying, and he, and the things that I saw him retweet was, you know, you have immigrants to come over here and work 16 hours a day. And, you know, that's how they get, that's how they beat you. And I'm like, first of all, there's no immigrants working 16 hours a day. You can kiss my ass, especially an Indian is, an Indian is not working 60.

That guy's in the, I mean, he's either, you're either trying to teach him how to use the best. bathroom and that's where they're spending most of the time or they're out in the alley, you know, behind the building. Okay. Yeah. These people are not smart. I had an Indian, I had an Indian gentleman who spoke at Hapa's, uh, Hunterma Hoppa's PFS conference last year. And, and I had him on last week to talk about what India is really like and what Indians are really like. And he's like there, you do not want anything to do with him. He goes, and the one thing he said that everybody picked up on was he said most of the he goes the indians that can pass for being trustworthy and maybe even smart are already here you haven't met the average

indian yet he said it's a culture of scamming it's a culture of trading trading favors with you know set for sex and for um for money He said, you know, these people have... For bobs? Just for some bobs, dude? Yeah. They love chaos. They thrive on chaos. I heard this number last year, and it was... Not last year, but like this last week, and I couldn't believe it. But I looked it up and it's true.

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28th to 30th of November. Liddle, more to value. 60% of India shits outdoors somewhere on a daily basis. That's 600 million people a day. That's a little under twice the amount of people in the United States. it's absurd when you go to the street view i'll just say that yeah yeah i mean the these are these are not people you want here i mean i talked to friends of mine who own businesses and there's like a jeet like gas station next door they're like the smell you can't even deal with the smell and you'll

like offer them i have a friend who offered one like an absurd amount of money just so that he would shut the business down so he had extra parking for his business and they had oh I have to talk to my cousin and this and then they ended up going no this is more money than they they're going to make in their whole life and they just did it to spite them just because he wanted something they were like fuck you yeah i do feel like the the conversation is a bit disingenuous when they talk about like we just need all these programmers or we need all these high tech people jobs americans can't do this whole thing and then like you said you see what kind of jobs immigrants are doing and it's not that it's you know cleaning

hotel rooms, it's fucking working in restaurants, it's working at gas stations or whatever it is with their families and everything. And I'm not knocking the entrepreneurial spirit or anything like that by saying that. It's not entrepreneurial. If you travel this country on the highway and you get off and you go to a hotel, like there's a one, it's probably like a nine and ten chance that it's going to be Indian owned. That didn't happen by accident. They were given that. That's like... You think it was given? You don't think they saw it. an opening and took it. Those are special favors where they get, they sign a contract for, I think it's like a year

or two years, and then they have to sell it to somebody else, and they sell it to their cousin. And they just keep it in the family. And it just, and they're, they're like they don't, some of these, some of these are loans that are interest free. Most of it, if it's a loan, it's interest free. Some of it, they don't have to pay back if they meet certain requirements or something like employment and they all just hire their own family and everything. These people, you're not going to fucking convince me that the people that, you know, white, white men started Silicon Valley.

It was white men. It didn't become, you know, someone told me, I was listening to Joe Atwell on the Orange or interesting Times podcast, and he lives out there. And he said, if you go to like in Silicon Valley to where they have the Apple, like, spaceship kind of thing and everything, he goes, that's basically an engineering center. He goes, there's a reason why there's three Indian food restaurants across the street from it. And if you stand out there and watch them go to lunch, it's all fucking Indians. Are you telling me there's no white engineers? Then you take into consideration that look at the numbers.

Scott Adams was talking about this last week. New hires, 6% are white men. White men are over 50% of this country. Is it just cheaper? Is it just cheaper? Is it just cheaper? I think it's that and I think it's a fuck you to white people. I mean, anyone who's been paying attention, you see there like, you know, there was a guy Mark Potak who was at the Southern Poverty Law Center.

And he was doing this until he got caught. He had on his, someone took a snap the picture and released it. He had in sticky notes on his on his computer monitor, he was every year the percentage of white men like in the United States. And he was like counting it down, counting it down. counting it down he was celebrating this yeah they celebrated open they celebrated openly they're waiting for the white men to be the minority they've been talking about that forever i know i've heard that like a bunch of times eventually you'll be a minority and then you'll see what it's like or some shit like that that's the kind of attitude yeah and also the easy the easiest way to do it is to you know bankrupt

make them poor or what they did with the opioid epidemic you know my friend trege my friend tregearison and wrote a book about it called Opioids for the Masses in all his research, when they went into West Virginia and, you know, they were saying, oh, these are, they're not addictive. They're perfectly fine. They gave them to India, they concentrated on giving them to Indian doctors because they knew Indian doctors weren't going to have any problems,

even if they had a question about them, about giving them to white people. Interesting. Yeah. You know, as a black man, I just find it a porn what they, what these people are doing to y'all honkies, honestly. It's crazy. This gender pretending.

No, it's an interesting conversation because it really, like, that whole spat between Elon Musk, Vivek, and, you know, Trump supporters and all this kind of realization that they had to come to terms with. I don't know. I've been hearing, like I said, I haven't really seen a whole lot from you just because I haven't been paying attention. There's nothing that you did wrong. I just try to stay in my own little circle. I'm pretty sure I did a lot long. I've done a lot wrong, but that's okay. That's okay.

according to the you know the post-war consensus kind of thing that's fine now the the index card of allowable opinion is used as toilet paper but anyway i don't know i was trying to come up with something clever i you know that's the best i got anyway uh i've been here and that's why an indian's going to take your job well that's okay grot got took my job a lot of my stuff can i say can i say are we about to move on because i did want to say something because i want to take a step further I'm not going to move on like totally. I wanted to ask about immigration, but go ahead. I just like, and it's not to say that there is nothing wrong with what we are doing right now as a society, like America.

You know, our education system shambles. You know, like we could do a lot better with educating our people and, you know, reeling back all these DEI incentives at the university level so that more people who, are merit-based you know more people get accepted on merit-based you know criteria and then those people get into the workforce i i think it's not just like this white and black thing you know i don't know it's a white and brown thing right now yeah because like i don't know if you if you got some chinese engineer who's like like really fucking good at math chinese math over some yeah i don't that's where i was kind of going with this like Do you know the average Chinese person who gets caught spying in the United States is second or third generation?

80%. That would make sense. That would make sense because it's like less obvious, right? You know, they're like, you've been here for a while. We're tapping you. But they have connections back in the homeland probably. Yeah. That's the thing is, have they become an American?

You know, it's like when my dad's family came here. here, they basically burn their boats. We're not fucking going back. Yeah. You know, we have nowhere, we have nowhere to go. When my mom's family did the same thing, I was reading the, my mom's, my great-grandfather, I was reading his, the paperwork he had to the things he had to swear to, um, to become a citizen. This was in 1919.

One of them was he wasn't an anarchist. And if you understand, if you know 1919, you'll understand why. And also that he wasn't a polygamist. But I'm reading that and he's saying, I am basically renouncing any loyalty I have to the Austro-Hungarian Empire. And, I mean, do they even make people do that anymore? Do people even care? Do people feel that when they come here? I mean, what percentage do?

People who are coming here on a visa are not, people coming here on a visa are coming here to work. Right. Okay? That's it. it's it you're they're a contractor if i'm i've contracted out with when i was in in the private in the private sector i contracted out all the time uh myself a couple times to a couple companies i didn't i was here for a paycheck i wasn't loyal to them i wasn't thinking about getting a gold watch in 34 years yeah i was yeah yeah you don't care about that company's culture

or anything about what their core values are it's like fuck all that give me my fucking money and i'm going home. Yeah, no. And I think that's like important distinction there too. And that's what kind of where I was going to lead to conversation next was kind of moving from immigration like, okay, these immigrants are coming here and they're taking all our jobs, you know, the meme, the whole thing. But then it's kind of also like now there's another discussion that's being had like a difference between nationalism and protectionism because, you know, like it's not, Rob was kind of talking about a merit based system or something like that. And there's an argument that could be made that like if there's somebody who's better at the job from another country, maybe they come, maybe they don't.

But that's not the same as, you know, nationalism. The way I interpret nationalism is just having pride for your country, you know, being, you know, respecting the values, understanding what it means to be an American, what that's all about, and then embracing that and embodying that and trying to live that out. That's kind of how I view nationalism generally. And then for protectionism, though, it's kind of like, well, even if it hurts us, we're going to do it for our people. Like where are you like I don't know. Maybe I'm, you're the more eloquent one. Okay, I'm going to drink and talk shit.

But you go ahead and like where are you out on that divide? Yeah. Yeah. Can I just add to the question because you kind of mentioned this whole globalism aspect as well, which ties into this. So just what's your take on, you know, having what Tim said, having goods and labor abroad coming into the United States. And should we be protectionist?

or, you know, what should we do in that aspect? If we can provide goods to our citizens for cheaper and, and let's just say it's not child labor. Like, don't say like it's child labor everywhere or something like that. Your hands are smaller and they can fit in the gears better. I don't even care about that. I don't think, I think most kids should be working from the time of 12 years old. Yeah. When I think of a nation, I go back to Rothbard.

article from like 1994 nations by consent and what the way he described the nation was he described the people that's it nationalism is about your people it's about who are your people and you know who are your people you're willing to fight for you're willing to die for you're willing to sacrifice for and these that's that's not what we're importing these people who are coming here these H-1Bs why are none of these H-1Bs like Swedish why are they like not German Why aren't they from Western Europe? Because part of it is about, well, we don't like white people.

Two is they command too much money. And, you know, three, they want to punish us by bringing in people who are not like us and come from a completely different culture. So all nationalism to me is caring about your people. You catch them in the corner of your eye. Distinctive. By design. They move you.

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Liddle, more to value. And I think you should do anything you can to protect that. Now, so I'll think back to the essay that every libertarian tells you to, you know, you're told to read, I pencil. Oh, yeah. You cannot make, you cannot make a pencil unless you, you know, it has to come from, you're getting materials from 12, 10, 20 different nations. Okay. That's great. Are you sure?

You sure we can get it here? Okay. You want to get everything you can possibly here or at least as local as possible. Two, do you, are they pushing it on you? Are you going to them for it? Or is there some kind of deal being made that they can, that they're somehow taking advantage of us? That's the kind of things you have to take into consideration. You know, there was a Friedrich Lest was a 19th century economist.

German was over in Germany, he came to the United States, wrote a bunch of letters, letters back and forth to Congress. This was after Tocqueville came here. And basically, he was describing how he thought the American economy could work best. And he said the way it worked best is you have free trade within your country and then you have tariffs with that And one of the reasons he was big on tariffs was he saw the Portuguese The Portuguese at the time were the biggest wine They had some of the best wine in the world people wanted people wanted this wine all over Europe all over the world Well some Portuguese guy decided he didn't want to have it he wasn't going to um

He was and this was a big industry and the biggest Portuguese wine owner decided oh well I'm going to just I'm going to export all this and it's all going to get done in in England and Basically just Portugal's Portugal's economy started taking a hit and England's getting and England's getting stronger at their you know at the just and Portugal's getting weaker I mean, this goes back to what's more important, the, your nation and your people or your pocketbook. Right. I mean, a lot of these guys, you know, your bank account,

a lot of these guys are, I mean, they just don't care. It's about, you know, Elon Musk doesn't, Elon Musk wants to go to the moon. Mars. Mars. Yeah, sorry. Maybe he can start. We haven't been to the moon yet.

Yeah. Go ahead. Maybe he can start. Maybe he can start with the moon. If he wants to go to Mars, think about that. That means he's not even really loyal to this world. Right. Is he really loyal to his country?

Well, he would say that he's more humanity and he wants humanity to extend beyond Earth. That's retarded. He's, what is he done for South Africa? where he's from. He left. White people, white people are being destroyed. White people are being,

families and farmers are being murdered there and destroyed. And, you know, what is he done there? So, I mean, the fact that he would,

he, that all this H-1B stuff would come out and he'd be like, you know, fuck you, you know, turned into, um,

Grossman from Tropic Thunder, telling people to fuck, you know, you know, which is ironic too, considering what, what, what,

and who the character. is and supposed to represent. Yeah, I just, I don't see, here's a thing. If you were to convince me 100% that we don't have the homegrown talent to go to the moon. Right. I don't believe that. Yeah. I don't believe that at all. I think that Elon is looking at the bottom line, and that's why he wants to bring in, you know, infinity jeats. And then there are people who are going to push him to do that because they know it's going to fuck up our culture. So, I mean, there's, Elon can be doing this

and he doesn't even realize what he's doing, even though he is fucking over our people because I'm sorry, the greatest scientific discoveries of all time were made by white boys with pocket protectors. Nerd. Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting.

Like, I, there is this like divide, right, between like what's the most efficient or like what's the most profitable way to get something done. Like the whole argument with eye pencil is that it's not that you can't do it all in one location. It's that it makes sense to do it in multiple locations because you can get the rubber cheaper over here, the metal cheap over there, you know, all these kinds of things. The wood is cheaper here and there. And then you bring all those things together. And like that's the, that's the argument for eye pencil.

But there is something to be said about, you know, your culture and everything that you lose in between. Like what are you willing to sacrifice for the efficiency for the. profitability for the for the GDP what are you willing to sacrifice for that is is the the culture of america worth three points on our GDP i don't know probably not well you know well i mean and that's the problem with with libertarians is line go up is everything right the line has to keep going up and if the line goes down even for a short period of time oh well that's a signal well the libertarians should know the line's always going to go up that's called inflation it's that simple yeah i don't know yeah i mean and you know just honestly one of the other things that i one of the other problems i have

what libertarians is is that they say all these things need to change but they're not how are they going to change them yeah um Howard let me have the ability no ability to change anything yeah right Howard lutnik who's the commerce secretary um former uh well mean i think he may is still be the CEO of Canter Fitzgerald, he immediately, he was talking about a Bitcoin reserve. They wanted to make Bitcoin an M1 reserve. And people started, you know, it basically caused this to blow up and everything. And people started freaking out. And people are like, you know, libertarians are like, yeah, this is it.

This is it. We're going to have, it's like, okay, look, I know enough about Bitcoin. And a lot of those people who are screaming, I probably have more Bitcoin than you, even though I don't really trust it. I don't, I have a pretty good idea where it came from and what its whole purpose was in the beginning. But the idea, I know it can't be fractionalized. I know that Bitcoin can't be fractionalized,

but they're like, oh, we're going to have a Bitcoin standard. And you're only going to be able to, you know, print a certain amount of money to match a certain amount of Bitcoin. Well, says who? Yeah. Says who? I mean, the gold, if you go to like the city of London, not the whole city of London with the bad teeth and everything, but there's a one square mile city of London that is a completely different. It's not even part. It's its own entity. Yeah. It's its own entity. They have, they lend money. I mean, that's where all the banks are. They lend money there against gold. They don't say, oh, we have a trillion dollars worth of gold. We're going to lend a trillion dollars. They go, no, we have a trillion dollars of gold. We're going to lend $10 trillion.

Exactly. That's the same thing that they're going to do with the Bitcoin Reserve. I know. I've been told by people behind the scenes that that's exactly what's going to happen. They can't fractionalize Bitcoin. They can't fractionalize what's on the blockchain, but they can use it as a reserve. And so unless there's a libertarian in charge to make sure that doesn't happen, then nothing changes. is you can still have infinity fucking wars.

You can still finance infinity wars. Yeah, even if we go to a gold standard, you know, it doesn't matter if you have fractional reserve banking. That's a good point. It doesn't actually matter. Yeah, and we'll just pretend that we have gold that we don't have.

And then when we come calling for it, we'll say, hey, we're going to move to this thing called oil. It's the old runaround, the runaround you get. You don't even have to do that. India,

you know who has gold now? India has gold. Russia has gold. We should bring them over and take their gold and send them back. How about that? That's what I'm saying. At least 10% of that gold was scammed out of old ladies. That's right.

In America. That 10% is ours. I did look it up. I did look it up. H1B visa programs. I wanted to see by country. Top five countries. Ready?

India, China, Chile, Singapore, and then Australia. Those are the top five. Singapore is. Singapore is really weird for being number four, considering how small it is. It's AI. You know, it could be wrong, but that was a quick search. Singapore also has its own thing going on. Like, they actually don't, like, they don't enjoy a lot of American tourists over there.

And they, I think they primarily speak English. They're extremely racist, too, against other Asians. Yeah. They get very specific. Yeah. Oh, somebody was telling me that, um, there was a Japanese rest that they were in Singapore and there was a they were in a Japanese restaurant and a Chinese person came in and asked and asked like for directions or something and

the person looked at him to get the fuck out yeah it's kind of like completely rude to each other started a brandon walsh in the chat yeah what's up start of a bar joke right there a Singapore a Chinese and a Japanese walk into this start of a joke there um Singapore is just weird do like you can't uh litter gum you know that's fine it's like a five thousand dollar fine and if you get ticketed uh i think of most of their tickets work like this they roll up on you with like the the card taker right there like you pay right then like you're getting fucked right now yeah they're they're pretty much um they're pretty famous for their culture being very honest like if you drop your wallet and someone picks it up and they know it was you they'll run

after you or if you ask someone for directions, I'll actually take you to where you're, where you're going. You know, and if you're going to have a multicultural society. Sure. You catch them in the corner of your eye. Distinctive by design. They move you. Even before you drive.

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That was Singapore. Okay. That was Singapore. Yeah. Singapore cane. That Singapore cane. I remember. I'm old enough. I remember watching that on TV and then them reporting and it's like,

oh, it's so terrible and everything. I'm like, he was in another country and he fucked up. I've been to other countries. You're on your best behavior. Yeah, you better. Yeah. It's like the guy in North Korea went to North Korea and he tried. I was going to ask you. I was going to ask you, you feel the same? Do you feel the same about that? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, you're in North Korea. Yeah, don't fuck around, dude. Yeah. Don't step out of line. I know it's a, I know it's the Pentumkin Village or whatever it's called. It's all fake and all that bullshit, but you better be on your best behavior.

You're going to see the other side real quick. Yeah. And I agree with you. If you're in another country, you kind of do got to be on your best behavior. I do want to go back to, you know, you were saying, you know, libertarians got the wrong idea about this, that, or the other thing. Here, your two favorite people, I guess. Elon Musk and Vivek Ramoswami run in Doge. So I guess your prospects for that are not high.

You don't think it's going to work out. Well, you know, the way I look at it is I don't expect, I don't expect much. So if something, if something happens, it's just a bonus. You know, I mean, I was all 100% for Trump over Biden and then Harris, only because I know that like, you wouldn't have had this whole thing with H-1B. They wouldn't have even talked about it. I mean, check out how many H-B came in under Biden. Yeah.

You know, at least like, at least on Twitter, people are getting screamed at. You know, Elon is getting screamed at. They're hearing and they're, like, reading this and they're reacting to it. And I'm glad it happened because, I mean, Mayacalpa, I was, I was tricked by Vivek. I thought Vivek was our guy. You know, he reads, he quotes James Burnham. I'm like, this is my guy. Someone who understands that we have a managerial state.

Managerial state needs to be torn down. We need to go to like an article two kind of executive and you know just have one person running the government. Yeah. And and then, you know, you find out he wants infinity fucking Indians because he's a fucking Indian. And they're like and they have a bigger, they have bigger in group preference than that other group that runs everything. Right. And you can say it. It's fine.

Yeah. They have, they, they're the only, they have a much bigger in group preference. So he wants all those people, he wants all his people to come in. And he's like, and fuck Americans, basically. Yeah. And it's like, okay, okay, sure, you fucking street shitter. I mean, and this is a guy who became, this is a guy who became a billionaire through a pump and dump scheme. I mean, he like bought his mom, like hooked him up with some research that they knew wasn't going to work on Alzheimer's drugs.

and like the only drug he did push through that made any money was like hormone was like a hormone blocker so it was a trans drug yeah this guy yeah so now your granny who's losing her memory can grow a penis yeah a ring and ding and ding and ding ding and ding and it's good and it's probably going to be bigger than any indian penis out probably well and that's kind of what i was getting at is like you know you would think on the the outset of it. Because like, I do think, I don't know, maybe you correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe you've changed your mind. But I've always known you as a libertarian guy, as a guy that had more libertarian ideals about where, how the world should be and how it should be run or like how things

should operate. Just talking about philosophy, not talking about party or anything like that. You know, you got the meme, you know, libertarian ideas, libertarian candidates. You're a libertarian ideas guy, not a libertarian candidates guy. That's how I've always viewed you. And so, and then when I see like all this other stuff about nationalism and about, you know, pride for your country and culture and those things. Vavec sounds like the right guy, right? Because he's talking about he came to the LP convention and then beyond that has been talking about the divide between he was he keeps promoting libertarian nationalism. You think he's full of shit on that or is it like he got booed? He got booed really bad. He can get booed by whoever he wants. I think the idea the name sounds good

but is what he's attributing to that name. Is that bullshit? Is that what you're saying? Like Sounds like it is supposed to it. Nationalism implies a people. Yeah. Okay, so who are the nationalist? What's the nation? It should be American nationalist. It should be.

I mean, well, you know, and I'm one of those people who is, I'm still very sympathetic to libertarian ideas, but I'm also one of those people who understands that if you get a libertarian society, it's going to be all white Western Europeans. You think so? There's no other. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, libertarians, yeah, that's one of the open borders libertarians, and I was an open borders

libertarian at one point because I hate the cops and it's like, oh, well, we need the cops to do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I still hate the cops, but they're for different reasons. But the, you can't, that's like the open borders libertarians are like, oh, we have to have these people. It's like, look, you have a whole country full of people you're going to have to sell libertarianism to. You're going now you're going to invite people who shit in the streets to come in.

You're going to invite people from Central America who are, you know, maybe legitimately struggling. And what they're going to read Rothbard? You're going, what are you handing them copies of anatomy of the state and Spanish as they come over over the border? Look, you can't import if you want a libertarian society, you can't import tons and tons and have unlimited people coming in who don't know anything about libertarian. It makes no fucking sense. And you can argue with me all you want. I'm right.

I know more than you. I'm sorry. I've been studying this longer than you. I have a fucking, you know, if you don't think I understand libertarianism, go look at my documentary and tell me what's wrong in it. Yeah, monopoly of violence is really good. I understand libertarianism. It just doesn't fucking work.

It doesn't work in a multicultural. Multicultural society doesn't work. Look at what's happening to our society. I mean, we have fucking vets doing frigging, like German-style festival drive, you know, fucking car attacks. And you have another vet who's blowing up a fucking cyber truck, even if that was him.

I mean, that's such a fucking bullshit story. Yeah, and I had a former Delta Force guy on my show to talk about that. He's like, yeah, this is the guy wouldn't have a desert eagle. desert eagle. Anybody would make funny if you had a desert eagle. It's like Normies don't, no, you don't buy a desert eagle. You know, so I mean, open borders is, Sean Kennedy says, open borders is globalism. It's globalism. You cannot, you cannot have a functioning society. You cannot have a libertarian society if people can just, if people can just walk in. And if your goal is to get to a libertarian society, then you're going to want to start to start excluding

people now. Yeah. You don't wait. You don't wait until, you know, half of, half of fucking Delhi lives, you know, is in your, I mean, there's a town, I think Brampton, Ontario, 85% of that town in Canada is Indian. They're doing great, huh? They got it. They're going to the moon.

They're going to the moon. They have signs. Yeah, they have signs on the beaches in Canada saying, don't shit on the beach. Don't get on the beach. Really? Don't shit on the beach. I mean, is that real? Or maybe that's a libertarian. I don't know.

Yeah. Well, you know, and that's, yeah, that's been my problem with libertarians generally is like, we got to get rid of the libertines. We got to fix this shit. You got to, you have to be willing to exclude some people. You got to say, you're not, you know, you don't represent us well. And there's just no willingness to do it. And I think it kind of, it's, it's a culture within libertarians to just, just say, yeah, we're open borders because, like you said before, like, I think it's very naive take on it, but it's basically, we don't like the police, we don't like government, so they shouldn't control the borders, and then therefore anyone can come in and do whatever they want. And that's just stupid. And mind you, and mind you, we have a government that has allowed people to pour over the

border. What if we get a government that won't? What if we get a government who will say, no, you cannot come, you know, it's like, what, I mean, I mean, what I've been saying recently is, Vlad the Impaler had some really good ideas. There's a meme going around that says good neighbors, you know, walls make good neighbors. Yeah. And then there's, you see Vlad, and he says,

bad neighbors make good walls. That's right. Yeah, that's pretty funny. I mean, that's why you're just to start killing people. I mean, literally you're going to have to start shooting people if they, if they break the law. And breaking the law is coming over the border. Well, the Vic does want to bomb Mexico.

So that's another thing. Maybe he can. Yeah, maybe you're in more agreement than you think. Well, I mean, well, I mean, who's allowed the cartels to run free? I mean, a movie that I'd seen 10 years ago and recently my guys of the old Lori Club reviewed it. And I've watched it like three times in the last month. Is Sicario? I haven't seen it yet.

Go back and watch that movie. Yeah. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. I mean, it'll just tell you white boys can get anything done when they want to, and women shouldn't be. This is the greatest message. Women shouldn't be.

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yeah right next to monopoly of violence isn't yeah yeah plug that do play you plug that i watch i watched monopoly of violence like four times probably back to back to back to back to back when you when you first dropped it yeah we um it's just a wealth of knowledge like 20 20 2021 maybe we've actually talked about um read editing it. Yeah. Re editing it and a little more realist, like a little more like a decentralized, take out a little bit of that anarchy kind of stuff to it and concentrate on like what seems

realistic in society, what can actually get done. And yeah. So what do you? Kyle Tomics in the chat. Yeah, our seed oil captain. Yeah. It may be the only thing he and I disagree on. That's okay.

We'll keep bringing it up. It's how he stays relevant. Chuck, you only gave two bucks. That's not the $5 minimum, but I'll take a drink anyway because I love you. I do want to ask you that, though, is like where, so like what is realistic? What do you realistically expect out of this second Trump administration now that, now that it's, you know, he, I was hoping, you know, back in my mind when we set up the interview, however many weeks ago, I was like, I really hope there's a leftist, January 6th thing. so that we can come on here and talk about that. They didn't do nothing those fucking bitches, okay?

They just made, the DNC is great at cucking women of the Democratic Party. They had Hillary, you know, they finally gave her a shot, and then she lost to Trump, and now they've got Kamala, and they make her officiate, she's like officiating the wedding of her ex-husband or some shit like that is basically what it feels like. Like, there's just, I don't know, something poetic about her being the one to say that Trump beat her. That was interesting. But anyway, realistic, what do you think is actually going to come of a Trump administration? I think we're going to be on the same page. I'm pretty pessimistic about this. I feel like he lied a lot the first time, and this time's not going to be any different,

and we're not going to get much change. It's just going to keep getting worse. Really, the only thing I care about is immigration at this point. I mean, that's it. And remigration, kicking people out. You don't even really have to kick a lot of people. I mean, you're going to have to kick some people out. But you can pass all sorts of codes and things and really go after employers that are hiring illegals.

And people will leave on their own. This has happened before where we've had large masses of illegals leave because there's just nothing for them there. That's all I'm hoping for. And just to that right wingers get left alone.

And One of my things is regionalism, localism. And I think this gives you some breathing room, a little bit of breathing room to be able to go ahead and do that, find your people. I already know intentional communities where people are moving to, and they're doing it under different kinds

of legal protections where they can exclude people to get around the Civil Rights Act. And Shelley, what was that, Shelley B. Kramer, 1984, which they basically said you couldn't exclude someone from a community. But I also know people who, yeah, I know one town right now that, like, people just kind of organically just started moving there. And now it's like, it's full of some of the most base people that I know, some of the best people I know. And I think we're going to see a lot of that. I think that we're just going to see people reversing the multiculturalism on their own and going back to finding their own people.

I mean, to a certain extent, New York City is still segregated. And people do that on their own. People have a tendency to do that on their own. It was definitely very segregated and on purpose. I mean, this was like voluntary in the early 20th century. I mean, you had there was like, you'd have one street where it was people. people from South Germany and the next street would be people who were from the eastern side of Germany.

Little India, little China. You always have these like communities. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, you still have Chinatown there. You still have Little Italy and there are people, you still have Italian neighborhoods in the Bronx still. And I think that's what the future is. And I think that's what Trump allows.

I think Trump is going to allow people who understand that there's really no national answers. There's real, there's no real answer. answer to it. I mean, we've been occupied since World War II, the same powers that occupy us, occupy Europe. And as long as you're under occupation, you're going to, there's no hope for, there's no hope and for the national, for taking down that occupation until that occupation is taken down. And, you know, I don't know when that'll happen. You know, my friend Thomas thinks it could take 100 years. It'll happen, but it'll take 100 years. But in the meantime, we just find our own people and you know we we make our stand where we are and I think that's all we can do

and I know libertarians talk about that but it's not you know libertarians try to make it like they came up with that idea well I mean it's just nature it's just nature now you're but now you're doing it intentionally so if you have a bunch a bunch of people who are um you know sympathetic to you know 19 20s and 30s national socialism maybe they should all go and you know congregate in a certain area and do that. And you're going to see black, you're going to see black people do the same thing. You're going to see them go find their own. They love doing it. They love doing it. Yeah. There's a community up in Georgia where no one even talks about, but it's all black and it already, it already fell apart. Oh, you know the one I'm talking about? Yeah, it already fell

part because the woman who organized it was cheating everybody. Oh, it happens. It happens. I wanted to go visit. Now I have nothing to do this weekend. I would hope there would be some really good barbecue, but, you know. Right. It's like my buddy D.E. says, he says, you know, if I'm going to eat barbecue, I want it to be like some fat, red-faced scotch Irish guy or the blackest guy on the planet. Yeah, you're running the pit, you know. Yeah.

A hundred percent. Yeah, I don't. When I go get Chinese food, if they, you know, if they. can barely speak English, that's good Chinese food. Yeah. Yeah, you have to speak Chinese to order the food, actually. Yeah, that's a good place. But if I answer and you got some white girl answers the phone, I'm just going to hang up. I'm going to go somewhere else. You don't have good food. Well, like, I used to live in Auburn, and Auburn has, like, the Mexican restaurant that I found there, I went in there the first time, and three quarters of the tables were Mexicans eating. I'm like, okay, this is probably pretty good. And the same thing when we found, we found a Chinese restaurant. We found a Chinese, place. First time I went to a Chinese place. It was like, we were like the only white people in there. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. All right. This is it. And then it turned out that it was, it was wonderful. And that was like, like at the end of 2022 when service because of COVID and the competency crisis, service was really, really, really bad in a lot in a lot of places. Oh, but if you went into an ethnic place,

it was perfect. Everything was great. Yeah. So I got that. Maybe they don't get kicked out. Maybe you know what Chuck's talking about here. He's talking about special economic zones, regulation and tax-free or minimal. Is that like how they're getting around the excluding people? I don't know. Is that what he's talking about? He's talking about a solution here, right?

If you look in my feed, my podcast feed, and you search a guy named Peter Siri, it's C-S-E-R-E, he explains exactly how they're doing it in our conference. saw right now in the Ozarks. Oh, okay. Yeah. No, that's interesting. I do think there's going to be this huge battle over immigration. I don't know that it's going to go the way anyone wants it to go.

But I don't think that, you know, there's a lot of people, you know, the MAGA people, obviously think that Trump's going to root out all corruption and everything's going to be great. And that's fucking stupid. You know, it's funny. Yeah. Someone's saying, who still buys food from invader restaurants? I was at the American Renaissance conference a couple months ago, you know, Jared Taylor or everybody.

Yeah, yeah. When I left, you know, wife and I left and we wanted to go get some meat. It's like, oh, there's a Mexican restaurant. Isn't it funny that we're eating a Mexican restaurant at the American Renaissance and then a bunch of other people come in from the American Renaissance? It's good food, man. You can have good food. Yeah.

100%. I, dude, I'm a big foodie. And I do, like, that's one thing that holds me back on them, like saying, send them all back is I want to be fat. I like all this food. You're muted or something. We have. Yeah, go ahead. We have the recipes.

Yeah. We have the recipes. That's it. Yeah. You can't sneak in some of that, some of that Indian sweat, though. That's what really makes the teakin masala pop. So gross. They scooped their hands.

Have you ever worked with Indians or lived around Indians? I have. It'll cure you of any kind of romanticism about, you know, this. ancient culture and I'm sorry no I work with one but he's he's a lawyer I don't work with him but like I can't say as a colleague went I've known it since like like I guess middle school now pretty much yeah grew up and stuff like that but but I do see what you were saying about them being exclusive like they are very exclusive in group preference yes in group preference that 100% I see that I see that And, you know, it's a tough conversation to have when you're talking about the cultural identity of, you know, what... You catch them in the corner of your eye. Distinctive. By design.

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would be. And so someone has to have it and it's, you're the perfect person for it, Pete. Yeah, some bald white guy. That'll work out well. No, I was, I worked with this Indian guy for a while and, you know, he was lower cast. He, he, he, he, he wore a toupee. Oh, that is such a, oh, that's such a good diss for like, if you have any Indian friends at home to be like, oh, are you lower cast?

Dude, that is, that's a deep cut right there, dude. He, so he, um, he wore a toupee. And he had dandruff. He had dandruff in his toupee. how do you know he sprinkle he sprinkles a little bit of that fake dandruff on the day just to convince other people you don't understand it looks more real when i put it in there they believe it's the guy the indian the indian guy had on my show last week i mean he

basically said he goes if you go by their houses and you're like why does it they're in a America, why does it smell? He's like, because they want it that way. He goes, it, they thrive on chaos. Like they, they literally need that, they need that smell. They need things to not be in order, in order to survive. Yeah. So, yeah, it's, I mean, these are not, these are not, you know, culture matters. I mean, I think a lot of libertarians, a lot of libertarians, a lot of libertarians, you know, especially Hoppians, you know, Hoppians have known that for a while. But I think a lot more libertarians are coming to the realization that it's like, okay, if I want what, if I want the kind of economics I want or the kind of, you know, society that I want,

you're going to have to exclude a lot of fucking people. Because their culture just doesn't match up with it, you know, and Koppit took a lot of shit for saying, you know, some people are just going to have to be physically removed. And he was talking about from a lot of, the Covenant community that was already established. But, I mean, I think we're getting to the, yeah, yeah, I had my buddy Clay Martin on the show. I just released it a couple hours ago. And, you know, he's former Delta.

And I asked him, I said, do you think we have terrorist cells in this country right now? And he's like, course, yeah. He's like, yeah. And he said probably like 10,000 people. He goes, and they're not who you think they are. Because some of, some of it's going to be from China. Some of it's going to be from Russia, especially considering what we've done to them in the last two years. And we're not talking about people who are here who are working menial labor.

These are people who are here and who have good jobs and are funded. And they're just, you know, they're like waiting for something. That's why I'm so big on regionalism and getting the hell out of cities and things like that is because I do think we're going to come to a point. point where there's going to be patches of violence in this country. And it's not going to be, it's going to be fucking ugly. Yeah. Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I don't see it going well.

I've become more pessimistic, you know. And I do think there's like a, I don't know if there's a move towards it. Maybe I just want to feel that way because I feel myself moving towards that where culture is becoming a little more important as I get older. I have kids now. My kids are getting older. It's like, I want to be in a place where they're going to have a good future. And, you know, some of these ideals or whatever, although like, you know, on paper, you know, or whatever, it might seem like the best option, you know, to allow the free movement of people. At the same time, and not everybody needs to be my neighbor.

Okay. There's some people that should just stay over there. And, yeah, so I definitely feel that more. There's people who are already here who you don't want to be your neighbor. Oh, yeah, I know. that they're right. So, yeah.

People don't even take that into consideration is that, and I already said this about the, you know, about immigration, is if you were, if your goal, that's why I think I have a tendency, I have this theory that libertarians

are probably the most black-pilled people on the planet. Because, one, they want something. They, they construct their whole worldview around, I told you so. It's like, look, I told you this was going to happen. And I have the solution to it.

Okay, what's your solution? Well, we just got to end the state. We got to end public schooling. And all of the, these aren't realistic things. These aren't things that you have the power to do. So who's going to do that for you? So you may be able to diagnose the problem, right? But your solutions, even if your solutions would work, you don't, you actually consider the power that it would take to do it immoral, whatever immoral means in a materialistic, in a materialistic mindset, which a lot of libertarians have.

Yeah. And then you're condemned to just wave your fist in the air for the rest of your life. Yeah. Yeah, you can make fun of, you know, I know some libertarians I've heard make fun of Bill Buckley who said, you know, conservatism was just standing, standing around and saying stop, yelling stop or something. Look, Ron Paul, I didn't really know anything about politics until 2007 when I saw Ron Paul up on the debate stage. And I started going down the whole of libertarianism and learning about libertarianism. And, you know, people were talking about the Ron Paul Revolution. And the whole thing

about 2024 was supposed to be, oh, we're going to run Dave Smith and we're going to re-kick off the Ron Paul Revolution. Okay, first of all, it. It's 12 years later. A lot has changed. Second of all, what did Ron really accomplish? Did the world get any better? I think there were some people who got better, some people who were able to, you know,

maybe he inspired Bitcoin, maybe he, a bunch of things. But really, the world hasn't gotten better and why. Because libertarians don't concentrate on culture, and culture's the most important thing. You shouldn't be, if you want to scream about something, scream about fucking infinite Jets coming in the country. You're not going to have libertarianism if you have infinite Jets.

I'm sorry. They're not, they don't understand the non-aggression principle. Most people who are not, you have to, I would say, northern and western Europeans are really the only ones who would even, who even look at that. And they're like, yeah, that makes sense. That's just not a, yeah, Brandon Walsh, correct. to me standing a thwart history yelling stop yeah that's basically what libertarians do it's like well we

have the answers well what are your answers uh we got in this day bro yeah well i mean how you do that you know you're it's the same thing of like i haven't oh i want bitcoin to be an n1 reserve i want there to be a bitcoin standard or who's going to be there is to make sure that the you know the money that's being lent against it isn't being fractional us yeah not us that's for sure yeah i mean there's to be said for that too because it's you know it you're not going to have if the culture doesn't appreciate liberty and freedom and they much prefer security then you're just going to get more state so like i that that's kind of how i viewed like you're not there's no culture of wanting to be free there's a culture of i need things take given to me and taking care of me and that's kind of

the culture that america has cultivated over time and well that's what h1b is all h1b is is welfare yeah it's just welfare for foreigners it's because They're getting less money than a heritage American would get. So it's like, okay, well, I mean, you're just importing welfare whores. Yeah. And you're on the market simultaneously. Yeah. And something that, you know, giant Bandari, the Indian, I keep referencing that I interviewed,

who was at Hapa's conference? Does he smear? I don't know. I didn't meet them. Oh, okay. Yeah, sorry. But he, but he, you know, one of the things he said was, he said, these, these aren't even good workers. He called them copy and paste workers.

And if you know anything about, you know, I mean, I'm not a coder, but I know a lot of coders. They, that's what it is, right? It's like, oh, right, this piece of code is broken. Do you know it? Do you know how to fix it? And they just copy and paste it. And that's a lot of what they do. they're not changing the world they're they're not changing the world i mean it was german scientists

who were stolen from germany in 1945 who changed the world white guys white europeans they're the ones who changed the world they're the ones who figured things they're the ones who created the internet they're the one it wasn't infinity jeets nazis to be exact right i'm fine with that i have no problem i was thinking about that earlier today i was finishing a book, Jeffrey Hahn was writing. And part of it was talking about Operation Paperclip. And I was thinking like on the side there. I was like, you know what?

If they were really the smartest and they had to figure it out and they helped us get to the moon, I mean, maybe it was worth it. I don't know. Bringing those scientists over. But yeah. Well, you were just wrong about one thing? Just one thing. Would you have rather the Russians got them? Right.

Yeah. I mean, somebody was going to get them right. Your choices were to kill them or put them to work. Yeah. And I mean. And they got some of them too, right? They got a bunch of the old Nazi scientists over there. But the, yeah, I mean, that war wasn't about anything other than just stopping Germany because Germany was a nationalist movement.

Yeah. I mean, yeah, sure, there were some land they wanted to take, but they considered it to be German, historically German land. So, I mean, that whole thing Darrell Cooper Martyr-Mard made is doing is going to, in like a week is going to release his first episode on. the real World War II from the German point of view. And I mean, I think this is going to blow people away because who's doing that? Darrell, Daryl Cooper, Martyrmaid, the Martyrmaid podcast. Yeah, he's the one who did the 27-hour fear and loathing in New Jerusalem that Dave talks about all the time. We either had him on or we have been recommended to have him on several times.

I've, I think John Kennedy might have talked about him at one point actually in the chat. he's he's a he's the one who went on tucker and said that the villain of world war two was winston churchill and the whole and he got denounced by the by the white house amazing like him already all right cool yeah well uh you know some another thing people are looking forward to in the trump administration uh cash betel isn't he one of the good ones isn't he it's going to expose some corruption well i mean even if he doesn't dismantle the fbi i he'll just create an environment of Bob's in Virginia that are going to be so disflective that they won't get anything done. I'm going to come.

All right. No, you are just tearing apart my favorite Indians tonight, Vivek and. I'm going. You got to turn it off. You got to turn it off. That's not me. I'm not doing anything. That's me.

Okay. All right. Well, then it's acceptable. Yeah, except. I farted, I farted Jeremy Kaufman off our podcast one time. That's not how it happened, but sure. Yeah, there's a fart noise on here, and I thought Jeremy was like a comedian. I do comedy. And so I was, he he, he, he, whatever. You were saying he's shit it on all your favorite Indians. Yeah, yeah. Well, the farting on, on Jeremy Coffin was not well received.

He did not receive a well. But yeah, you're sitting on all my favorite Indians. I like Cash Patel. I did like Vivek a lot. I think I still do like Vivek. I haven't really dove deep into what he said about all of this, but I do like Doge and all of that. I might have higher.

We're not getting rid of them. If Trump wants to get rid of them eventually, that's fun. Just hopefully they can do something good while they're in there. Something that will benefit heritage Americans and not every fucking, you know, jeet. in friggin' India. I mean, what's more, what's most, yeah, it's talking about, oh, well, you know,

if you want to win a sport, if you're a sports team and you want to win, you got to get the best talent from all of, first of all of all. First of all, you're going to have to convince me that this is the best talent because it looks like you're gone for the cheapest talent. Yeah. And you're going for the cheapest talent. You're going to finish 0 and 16 if you're in the NFL. Or is it 0.18.

I don't know how many games. Who cares? Oh, it's 16. Yeah. Rob cares. That's who cares. Yeah. Well, I mean, it was a sports guy. I would also like to say that my Indian friend.

does not stink he actually very clean very clean guy whole family very clean he's a he's up her cast he's still going back he's upper cast yeah he's been here a minute I don't think he's go they have a lot of hotels it's they're so very how far how far back do we need to go to send them back and what I mean by that is there's been a big debate about a birthright citizenship right and that that shouldn't be a thing And I am, we were having this discussion in our discord. I don't think that there should be like this anchor baby law where like immigrants can just come in, have a baby and now they get citizenship or whatever. That's fucking bullshit.

That's how that's how a bank's a citizen. His mom, I don't think his parents are citizens. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I don't think you can do it now, though. Like I don't think you can retroactively remove someone. I think it just has to start.

Right. Well, I mean, I don't know. No, go for it. If you have cancer, you can start treating the cancer, but eventually the doctor's going to say, we're going to have to cut it out. Right. Yeah. I mean, I just don't know how you go forward with people who aren't loyal to the nation, to the people.

Yeah. You know, this Frankenstein Indian guy who's like the head, like he's like an AI, he's going to be an AI advisor. to David Sacks as the AIsar or something like that. He's the one who started this whole thing. I mean, the guy looks like a fucking monster. I mean, if you saw him, he literally looks like you should have bolts coming out of his neck. He's black?

But he said, no, he's in. Sorry. And he said, that was racist as fuck. I'm sorry. No,

it's fun. Racism says black. Oh, shit. I think I found the guy. Okay. Yeah, go ahead. Keep talking. I'll pull him up.

You know what I'm talking. You see. You see the head. I see, yeah, uh-huh. Yeah, I'm trying to get it up on the screen here. Well, he said they're talking about how, they're talking about, oh, that you, you know, we need the best Indians to come over. He's one of the best Indians.

There's video of him. Yeah, that guy. Damn, he does look like Frankenstein, though. He does look like Frankenstein, though, like the quintessential of Frankenstein. Yeah. I didn't want to interrupt you, but I did want to bring him up. No, that's pretty crazy. No, that, that, that seals it.

But there's video of him going, I'm not even a coder. He goes, I'm just a really good talker. And I'm like, OK, so he's a salesman. We don't have white guys in this country. We don't have enough Jews who are good salesmen in this country already. But we have to, we have to, in the greatest cheat salesman in the world. Of course he's a good salesman. They're fucking liars and cheats.

Come on. Yeah. And that's, yeah, back to what we were saying earlier is I think that is like a huge problem of it is they just, they're lying they're not we're not getting like the best and brightest that we can't find here we're getting the cheapest available labor is what we're doing you know and like you said too it's all here for a paycheck it's not here because they care about america or they've embraced its values i don't know what i missed but go ahead no it's it's the last comment turtle necks oh cash but cash patel he's got those deep deep like i bags that look like he's seen just years and years of

trauma like i don't know what's going on there yeah kind of crazy it's kind of crazy the look yeah i mean i mean i don't know you know it's you know the thousand yards there this is uh this is what we get he's looking through me he's seen some shit for sure me your bobs the thousand shits there that's right He looks like he's seen some shit. That's right. I've seen where your shit come from. Okay, there it is.

There you go. And he's still here. But yeah, I don't know. I don't know if it can be fixed. Well, do you think Tom home? I don't know if anybody has the will to fix it. You know, I mean, people say, oh, you know, things can't be fixed. And I'm like, I don't know, man.

Buckelly did a really good. good job of fixing shit in el salvador so much so that i'm going we're going to el salvador soon but do you think you think what trump said is right about that do you think that he just sent all of the criminals and everyone here no no no yeah i think someone fed him that and he trump has this habit of people feeding him information and he doesn't fact check it runs with it just goes yeah yeah i think you're especially if it's if it's going to cause like friction if it's going to cause some kind of confrontation because he thrives on confrontation. So, I mean, anything that someone gives him negative, he's going to jump all over. Yeah. I agree.

I had a thing and then I lost it. Sorry. So you were, you mentioned earlier. That's why I have the pad. That's why I have the pad and pen because. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I was trying to find, uh, whatever his mind was thinking of. You mentioned earlier and I wanted to ask, you about this that the same people who are running America even though Trump's in charge same people who run America run Europe who do you think those people who do you yeah yeah that's like you we you left it open for interpretation no it was clear like it was clear I think it's obvious look at Biden's cabinet none of them people none of they work on Saturdays I just I just wanted to paint the picture more clearly for people like me

who were like, maybe he left it open for interpretation. I don't know. No, no, I say this on my show all the time. I read, there's a book that was written by an Israeli Jew, Israel Shahawk, which was basically him exposing how fucked up Israel is and how fucked up Zionism is. I read the whole thing on my show. How do you bring Christians over to that? Because, like, a lot of these evangelical Christians are, like, fully in support of Israel,

fully in support of, like, America, funding every single thing. Israeli war and shit like that. Like my parents. My parents, like amazing on a lot of different topics as far as like economics and stuff like that. When it comes to Israel, it's like, they're God's chosen people. You know, this is what we believe.

I mean, I'm not a Jehovah. I'm not a Jehovah's Witness. I'm not out there trying to convince everybody. I mean, even if you did like, say you woke up 300 million Normies, what the fuck would you do with them? Yeah. I mean, you want to see, you want to see Normie's activated? Look,

Jan 6th, 2021. That's what you get when Normies are activated. What you're looking for is you're looking for elite people. You're looking for natural elite, what Hoppa calls natural elites. And you're looking for people who want to use power, who want to take power and want to use power. And eventually, I mean,

that has to start at the local level now because there's just no way of doing it. But eventually maybe you get someone in the White House who realizes, you know, lies their way in and says, oh, yeah, Marianne Edelson, give me that $100 million. I'll do whatever you want and then just fucking goes to war with them. And then after you go to war with them and you fucking clear them out of here, then we go,

then we may just have to go to Europe and fucking kick their asses there too. Because Europe is run by them too. The city of London was founded as a Khazarian empire in like the year 1,024. And Khazarians are called themselves Jews. That's where the, that's where the, um, the Rothschilds are out of. Interesting.

That's where I mean, Every nasty, every money laundering piece of shit bank is in the city of London. I mean, basically, yeah. Yeah, I mean, whenever you talk about those people, things get, you know, it's, yeah. The conversation gets, it gets, and I'm just at the point anymore where it's like, okay, it's not the Jews, it's Jews. Jews are doing this. Okay. Look at, I mean, Anthony Blinken.

Anthony Blinken is not the Secretary of State of the United States. He's Netanyahu's lawyer. Yeah. I mean, he's basically Netanyahu's lawyer. And Merrick Garland, who's the Attorney General, he's been attacking Catholics for the... He's been putting Catholics in jail for praying outside of abortion clinics the last four years. Yeah, I think that's more... I think the idea that, like, you know, not like you said, it's not that the Jews are doing everything bad,

but there's a lot of Jewish influence and a lot of, you know, bad. Now in your state of you guys. Someone said, I'm in here, Majorcas. I mean, Majorcas is a Sephardic Jew. I think he's from Cuba. And he used to run highest. Adolf Spitter. The Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society.

The Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society. He used to run the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, which is one of the biggest friggin organ NGOs in the world for taking for mass immigration into countries. I mean, when you look at the, there's a Charlemais, I think it's Charlemagne. I forget what the name of the town is in Pennsylvania. Everybody talks about Springfield, Ohio, how all the Haitians got in there. Well, there's a town in Pennsylvania where they actually did an article recently where they said that all the Haitians that are in there were from a offshoot of the Hebrew immigrant grenade society. And it's like, okay, well, yeah.

And then it's like, I've had people tell me and say, oh, you're a Catholic. There are Catholic charities to do it too. Yeah, there are Catholic charities to do it. But if you look at the ones that are really pushing it, go look at the names on their board of, on their board. You can call yourself, you can start a nonprofit and call yourself Catholic and not be Catholic. There's one out there, which is like responsible that there's only like second to highest. And like everyone is like Steen and Berg and wits. I mean, it's unbelievable.

And then when you look at it, when you go to most Catholic organizations, they'll be like person's name a little bit about them and it'll say what their home parish is. You never see their home parish because they have no home parish. All right. You're going to have to explain this to me. For $50, I want the answer. What the fuck is this 07? Yeah.

That's a salute. Oh, okay. Oh, is it a salute? Okay. I don't know. You're the only person that people have come in here and done that too. So, you know, you got a lot of respect, I guess. Hey, $50. That's awesome.

Yeah. Then, yeah, Chunkumel, he says, his super chat. Lincoln went to Israel after 10, 7, and he walked into the Knesset and said, I'm here as a Jew. Right. He's the Secretary of State of the United States. He's supposed to be represented in America. We don't have, you cannot have loyalty to another country because here's the thing.

If they fuck this country up, like they're fucking it up. And this country goes to shit. They have a place to go. I don't have anywhere to go. Yeah. Yeah. Spain doesn't want me. You know, because they're under the same occupation, under the same occupation regime that we are here.

Well, that's what I wanted to ask you. I mean, I might go to Poland. I mean, because I'm having to Poland, you know. Okay. So now, okay, if 07 is salute, I think I know what the O slash is, and I'm just going to leave it there. All right. So anyway. But that's kind of what I was asking before I was trying to get to is how far back?

Okay. Like, I don't know. Do you think that Tom Homan and Donald Trump are actually serious about a mass deportation agenda? Do you think that that's actually going to happen? And then the follow up to that is how far back do we go? Because if Vivek is technically an American citizen because his parents moved here, stop distracting me. Because his parents moved here and then they had a baby and now that baby's an American or whatever. Is that good enough for him to stay?

Probably not. Okay, so do both parents need to be Americans? Well, what if one of them was born to immigrants? You know, like, how far back did we need to go? How far removed do we have to be to get our culture back? So first, do you think Tom Homan and Trump are serious and then how far back? Yeah. If you were saying before, you were saying before, like, immigration's the biggest issue and we got to deal with it and they got to be serious about doing it. I don't think you can get anybody that's more rhetorically consistent on this issue than Tom Homan. That motherfucker, if you let him off the leash, he's going to go buck wild and he's going to round them all up. Like, I feel confident about that. I think the guy means what he says. But is Trump going to allow it? Is he going to let him off the leash? Well, that's the question is, you know, when, I think I said this earlier, when, you know, some boomer who's screaming now about, you know, was holding up a sign at the RNC saying, you know, deport, deport illegals now, you know, when it's somebody that they may know, well, what are they going to say it. What are they going to say about that? And I'm one of those people who's like,

I'm sorry, but you know, it's like, I have members of my family. I'd like to see kicked out of the country. You know, and, and they're, you know, they've been citizens for us. We, we go back, you know, we go back generations here. And, but I don't know. I think that I don't know that you can do it on, you can even accomplish. immigration reform on a big enough scale to make to make the kind of change it that's needed. That's why I think regionalism is what's going to happen.

Yeah, the way they're talking about it is like, you know, we're going to come to your city and we're going to find you. We know who you are and we're going to grab you and kick you out. Like it seems pretty. Yeah. Yeah, but here's the thing is, you know, my friend Tim Kelly from the Our Interesting Times podcast asked me this question after the election. He said, do elections even matter when you're occupied?

Yeah. I mean, probably not. I mean, if you're occupied and controlled, right? Like, if there's just people here that are infiltrating and we can out vote them, then I guess it's okay. But it's not okay, but I mean, like, you'll win, right? And I'm not one of these people who's completely blackpilled and it's like, you know, oh, nothing. What? Nothing ever changes.

And we're, you know, when we can, you know, we, are you blackpilled? Because you come across very black-pilled, but like there's no, we're all fucked. Oh, no. Yeah. Oh, no. I think that human beings were meant to live regionally. Yeah. And I think that that's where I am.

I can't be black-pilled. I can't be black-pilled in my personal life because I live around people who, if they don't really think everything I do, but they get it. They get it. Where I live, people who talk about politics, they really are only talking about politics and how it's, going to affect them they don't want it to affect them right you want to be able to keep living their lives the way they live and that's not blackpilled i mean saying that that we're under occupation and we probably might be under occupation for another hundred years is just reality yeah it's just is just reality the people who you know i make predictions every once in a while

because i want to feel like i have skin in the game and i'm and i have no problem saying you know i was wrong about that sure but people who were like telling me like you You can't support Trump. He really, Trump, you know, Trump's owned by, owned by that our greatest ally in the Middle East and everything like that. But it'll just be infinitely better than Harris because, you know, Trump is one of those guys that if there's enough of a Twitter dust up, he could change his mind. Yeah. On things. And, you know, you're not going to get that with Harris.

So I don't think it's, I don't think I'm blackpilled at all. I think that I just see things the way they, the way they are. And I've set up, and I'm seeking to set up my life and teach my people, what we're trying to teach people in the old glory club, which is a fraternity that we formed is to form these regional groups where you're building out and you're having each other's back. And you know, if things get really bad, you have people to rely upon. You know, that's one thing that's the worst thing.

the worst thing about anarchists is, I mean, anarchists unite? What does that mean? Yeah. That sounds retarded. Yeah, is like, I mean, how many, how many, how many libertarians do you know that are like intentionally moving into the same area and seeking to make that area more libertarian?

The free state of New Hampshire. Yeah, literally only New Hampshire. That's good. Yeah. And the problem. And what's the problem there? And they can't, they all voted for Harris. not all the not the free staters sure the state so and a lot of those people moving there are more

left-leaning libertarians as well i don't think no i think that there's mixed i i think there are a lot of i think there are a lot of family family people there who are family related but there are they're infiltrated by leftists they are they share a southern border with with massachusetts some of the worst fucking people on the planet and you Massachusetts, I call. When you don't have a border, I mean, people are just going to flood in there. And you can take over the, you can get rid of car insurance and you can make it so that Bitcoin, people can get paid in Bitcoin and not get tax and stuff like that.

And that's great in the meantime. But if you're really, but all it takes is, and this is what the people from Free Talk Live found out, all it takes is the FBI to put their eye on you and you're all going to fucking jail. Yeah. find me the man will find you the crime yeah yeah so i mean it's i've been to new hampshire i've been to pork fest i got covid and i couldn't friggin't walk for three weeks after that that's why you hate it pork fest covid pork fest covid might be nasty dude that sounds god awful that's worse than the dragma variant yeah that's a different yeah that's a different variant

you got up there you got that anarchy covid or something dude but it's really nice but you know it goes back to what I was talking about, you know, what Robert Conquest in the beginning, if something does not start out explicitly right-wing, it will eventually go left-wing. I do think that's important. I think we could do better probably of distinguishing what left and right means, because I think a lot of people, you know, if you were to ask me that question, I would say it becomes more like a private property, like individual freedom, capitalism, that kind of thing. Like, I think that's kind of where I would draw it. You kind of drew the lines more around cultural issues. Yeah, I thought it was more up and down for us.

Economics. Like, you know, that's... It's not a religion. I mean... No, it's not a religion, but neither is culture. It's a tool. It's a tool. But culture is a real...

Culture kind of is. But don't we see things more... Don't libertarians see things more as up and down, like the more authoritarian to less authoritarian kind of deal here instead of the left to right, because they're their issues yeah yeah and that's but but that's but that's retarded too because there are so many there are so many libertarians that when you like start nailing it down it's like well parents really shouldn't have any say over their kids lives what no fuck you i'm a dictator

in this household okay yeah so it's like you know i'm like you know some kind of hierarchy matters and there are people who there are people you do not want to have any there are some people you would follow into battle and you know you would you would risk your life for and there's other people you wouldn't cross the street to piss on no like like we're saying earlier more of like the government like the sorry tim but like the free the people uh i think this was a video from free of the people and they have a whole series on dictators like actual dictators and then they put it in terms of that top to bottom like i understand you're saying dictator in the household like i'm socialist communist communist with my family that sort of thing no i'm not so social as or communist it's mine okay

benevolent monarchy that's what we got going on here yeah well yeah i mean what would you mean who would you rather would you rather lived in in in germany in 19305 or the soviet union in 1935. It's all just, yeah. It's, it's, it's,

it's all just degrees of, you, you're, but if those are my options, that sounds black filled as fuck, because we're all going to die at the end. This is terrible. Yeah.

Well, at least you, at least, at least, you're dying in a, in a prosperous society. I mean, and think about that,

too, what did you say? We all just died. Well, why did they, why did so many of them die in the end? Because the whole, went to war with them. Yeah.

And they still almost won. Yeah, that's the norm joke, right? Yeah. Germany declared war on the world twice and almost won. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of crazy. So you're not blackpilled.

I don't know, man. Oh, no. But that's okay. I'm not going to tell you what you are. I do think you're, I think you're solution. You have to define black pill. Yeah. Like it's all going to go to shit and we're screwed either way.

So what's the point of you? even trying. Oh, I don't think I'm screwed. I mean, if we're not going to have, there was no BLM riots around here. Yeah, no, not in my town, right? Yeah. And that's kind of where I think your solution is correct. Like, I do think, I've been saying from the show for a long time that I do think physical concentration is probably more the answer than anything else. Is the need to get around people that you agree with and you, like you said, that you want around your family. If you're coming around and saying that the, the child has more opinion over their life than I do. I'm like, no, you're the kind of person I don't want around my kids.

Okay. So I totally agree with you on the localism and all that kind of stuff. The decentralized nature of what you're saying to about regionalism, about just, you know, focusing on what's around you and what you have the most direct impact on. I agree with all of that. It just seems like, I don't know. Like you were saying, like there's nowhere else to go. I've always heard that in the context of like, there's nowhere else to go outside of America. Once you like, we can't just run to the next.

next free country. I do want to come back to that though about Buckele and and uh, and, uh, Malay. But there's no free country to go to. There's nowhere else to go. We're standing here. We're fighting here. This is where we are. And you're not going to fucking move me. And I'm going to get the people around me to, to have the kind of culture and society that I want to live in. I think that is the answer. It just seems like that like everyone else is going to come after us. I don't know. We can also quote the Schradza, um, the who. Oh, okay. The Schradza. Thomas Cole. That, um, you know, there is no, you're not going to get the perfect everything is trade-offs yeah yeah everything is a trade-off i agree yeah

you're you're never going to get the perfect you the closest you can come to perfect is under your roof yeah is is under your roof that's it and maybe if you get the perfect under your roof that can put that can uh rub off onto your neighbors maybe you can and it's not going to be perfect that's that's that's one of the other problems is is like i don't expect things to be I don't expect things to be orderly or perfect, especially when you consider the situation that we're in. Yeah. You know, I mean, the situation we're in is like, okay, well,

we have people constantly waging war upon us. You have the government that we're under is constantly wages war upon us every once in a while. Hopefully for the next four years, that won't happen. But then again, we have the outside. We don't know. That's the problem with letting people into a country without knowing who they are. and letting them in under like diplomatic stuff is you can have we could be completely fucked because there are enough people here who are willing to do violence against us

and take down our grid you know it's like and people don't remember that California had California had a station taken down a few years ago and when they looked into it it was like they had built tunnels under the friggin station and everything and then now some CIA cunt that I don't really believe but they're saying that it It could have been North Korea who did it. And I don't know why she would lie about North Korea. North Korea is just, I mean, they can't even set a missile off 70 miles. All right.

Everything. It doesn't make sense. Why would they do? Yeah. Yeah, the grid, I mean, but, but the grid was taken, was taken out. Right. Somebody did it. Yeah.

And you can say people can make the argument, well, I mean, China doesn't want to fuck with us. Yeah, China may not want to fuck with us, but there can be people in their government that want to fuck with us. And there are going to be people in a government over here that want to fuck with those. People in a government over here that want to fuck with us. We have people in our government who fucked with Ukraine and Russia so bad that you've had a friggin near genocide going on for, you know, going on two years, three years now. Yeah.

Yeah. I do want to ask you about other countries, but go ahead, Rome, real quick. Sure. No, yeah, I was just going to say you said c. And it just made me laugh really hard. He does sound like Louis, right? You kind of do, you kind of do. Yeah.

Yeah. Mexican do sound like Louie C a little bit and you got the goate to match with the head so yeah no that's all I this is a productive conversation no matter how dark it gets because we are

ultimately talking about solutions really what's going on that's all that matters and realistic solutions that that's this give me solutions that are realistic give me solutions that I can look at I remember in 2021 late

2021 when there were companies in Florida who were like, okay, we're not going to allow anyone to shop here stores. We're not only going to shop here unless they have, you know, vaccine passports. And DeSantis was like, no, fuck you, that you're not going to be allowed to do that. And I was like, yes, that's what a good governor does. And libertarians were like, how can you, it's a private company, bro, they can do whatever they want. Well, kiss my ass. I mean, I'm not going to, why am I going to, why am I going to, why am I going to, call myself what you call yourself, you sound like a fucking idiot.

Yeah. And that's why I don't blame, like, more right-leaning Republicans and other people for not associating us or not associating with us because of shit like that. It's like we,

you know, we, you can't see the forest through the trees and you're in support of this fully, like authoritarian, like corporatist situation going on with COVID. You know, so yeah,

no, I definitely see the issue there, But for me, like, you know, hate to bring it back to the whole, like, in, you know, inside ball talk. But, like, I love the Libertary Party. I want to be a part of it in making it better. You know, that's why I joined the National Committee and stuff like that. You know, so, so, like, what would you say to me? Just do your best job on the National Committee because none of it matters anyway.

But, like, just do your best job in moving the goalpost, shaking your fist, trying to get some publicity. from people that matter you know that sort of thing i think it's pretty obvious that the occupation regime you know only wants two parties to exist so what is the point of the third party you know it's one of the things in late 2021 when i was still hanging out with the mesus caucus and everything that i was just like this has to be okay so now you're now you're going to take over a political party a political party that has no power really has no say Angela's done a pretty good job of being able to leverage some things so I give it I give it to her but still you're wouldn't you be better off like becoming a like a lobby group like focus on one thing like

like what is it over half the half the states now have constitutional carry and they didn't have that what it was like five states like 15 years ago that was that was an organization most people never even heard of the National Association for gun rights and how do they do it they lobbied the fuck they were like i'm gonna we're gonna primary the fuck out of you we're gonna ring your phone all phone day they badgered everybody i just yeah basically doing it so why are you not a lobby group i mean if you're become you know for many lobby groups and concentrate on one thing one thing here and there you know it the national association for gun rights the acronym is nagger and I love it.

Yeah. Like when you were saying that, that's what I was thinking. I didn't want to interrupt. My buddy, my buddy Jose used to work for him and we used to laugh about that all the time. People that annoy you. Yeah. But it's one of those things where it's like, okay, when you see that there are groups out there, when you see that there's no room for a third party, they're not going to let a third

party have any power. what works. Look at what works and copy it. Become an NGO. I mean, do something where you're concentrating on one thing and then break it off and concentrate on another thing and push these things and just go. And that's the way you can make things work.

Yeah, and be relentless. I mean, like, Nagger, the way they did it was they were pretty relentless. Be careful. We've crossed the line. way too many times. I know. I know.

I know, dude. I don't even like that word. I mean, Cooley is so much better. Cooley? I don't know, man. You gave me some pretty good ones.

The Jets, you keep saying that. The street shitters, though. Yeah, at one point you said Jets. At one point you said Jets, and then you said GDP,

and I was like, GTSDP. Oh, yeah. Oh, no. Oh, God damn it. We import enough of them are GTP. GD. GDP. That's what I'm saying.

GDP. Yeah. Yeah. Well, one of the, I want to kind of move to like foreign policy a little bit. You know, are you talking about solutions about a guy that's taking practical solutions? You're talking about it. Now here's a guy. Yeah. Well, here's a guy that I think is doing it right.

And that's Malay. You were mentioning Buckele earlier. I don't know. I think Malay's got it right. And I was telling my wife, I was like, look. if this shit keeps going for like another couple years or we might be moving to argentina i don't know this seems like the way to go but he got into a big spat with hopper of all people you mentioned him a couple times he got in a big spout of but the hopper and you know malay basically took the

angle like he's a libtard the guy's just fucking all in his philosophy of books and doesn't understand how the real world works and i feel like that's what you've been saying about libertarians the whole time too and i don't disagree with you i'm just trying to you know use that to springboard here Can you give a rundown of what they're disagreeing about? Someone else can. All I saw was the disagreement. Yeah, go ahead. Well, Hapa can talk about what he can lay out a whole bunch of things, but I'm pretty positive.

It's about his Zionism. Yeah, you're probably right. Yeah, you're probably right. Yeah, I don't remember exactly. Malay sent, I think, 50 to 60% of the golds of Argentina's gold to the city of London, to the Rothschilds. And that is not, you know, my friend Tom Luongo said, well, I think he did that because they're trying to get the Falkland Islands back. They just discovered another oil reserve on the Falkland Islands. They're not getting it back from England.

Okay. And plus the city, you know, all right, let me move past that. The city of London is, there's been this thing where they've been weakened over the past few years. I don't want to get into this because it'll be a whole different. Yeah. Now, according to Grock, you know, that just follows everything on X. But, you know, he says the Grock was to, I asked GROC, what is the dispute between Malay and Hapa? He says it's not that.

He says it's intellectual property is what the debate became all about. The public debate, the debate became particularly public when Malay criticized Hapa's views on intellectual property during various speeches and interviews, advocating for a complete abolition of IP laws. Hopper responded by defending this position in his academic circles through his right. writings, emphasizing the importance of property rights in all forms to ensure a just society. And so that's kind of, oh, my God, you want to talk about some nerd shit? That is very nerd. That is very nerd shit.

Yeah. Yeah. I like Stefan Kinsella, but damn, it's just that's one thing, you know. Well, I mean, yeah, that's the only problem I have what Malay is a lot of the people who financed him were. Yeah. Well, he, yeah, he was back in the state. The two things I saw that.

he did. I didn't like back in the state of Israel and saying like where your greatest ally, your second greatest, whatever. You know, but doing that whole dance. And then the second part was we're going to tie our currency to the USD. I was like, you don't fucking get it. Well, that, that didn't bother me as much as, as soon as he got elected, the first place he went to was to the tunnel. The weeping wall. Yeah. Brooklyn. Oh. He went, really? He literally went to the Habod and visited the tunnel. Remember the tunnel Jews from the beginning of 2020? How much of that is just kissing ass to he doesn't get assassinated? Well, I mean, put it this way.

It's the person who is going to be, well, all right. And I think Malay is doing a good, from everything I can see, everything I've heard, he's been doing a good job. He's helped the economy. Okay. Here's another problem I have. Okay, so is he going to be, is he president for life? No, that's why I said. It's got to be like four or five more years.

He's got to get reelected. The people got to say they want more. And I think they will reelect them. And I think he has to be president for life unless he's grooming someone specifically to take his place. Because this is what I know about people, this is what I know about people, especially people in a Latin culture. In a Latin culture, people are very, very prone to we need to help the poor. We need to help our poorer brothers. And, you know, there was a reason why Perone was so popular in Argentina because he was mixing.

Marxism with fascism and I was all over the place. But if he, you know, if you're doing this in a democracy where somebody who's completely opposed to you gets elected and just dismantles everything you done, I mean, that's the thing about Trump. Trump's going to go in here. He's, you know, he could have executive orders that like dismantle 40% of the government on the first day. I'm hoping. I'm hoping. But what happens with that? happens next person gets elected because Americans have this habit and especially with all these fucking, you know, you have jeet beige and, you know, who's going to, who says in 2028 they're not going to vote for Josh Shapiro or Gavin Newsom? And everything goes back to the way it is. Yeah, you're talking about making predictions. I already said I think Democrats are going to win 2028 that that's going to be the number one goal is out doing everything Trump did.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's what happened. You know, Trump did some real, did some good things in his first term. I mean, especially the, the, um, um, um, um, um, the, the, um, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, that was, all this stuff was overturned the first day. So, I mean, I want to believe, Buckelly, it seems to me is setting himself up for dictator for life. And I have no problem with that. Yeah, I'm, you know, I read Hoppa. I, you know, I've read democracy, the guy that failed twice. Yeah. What I got out of it. was, yeah, you get into the later chapters, you're talking about anarcho-capitalism

as a way we can have an anarchic capitalism. Great, that's fine. What I got out of it was the best societies always had one person in charge making the decisions and you knew whose heads to chop off if things got bad. Yeah. I've heard that argument about monarchy. Yeah.

I want one person in charge. I want one person who makes the decisions has an elite group around him, wants the best people. and has his people, is part of the people, is part of that culture, is not a foreigner. I'm sorry, Josh Shapiro is not an American. He'll never be an American. He has loyalty to another country.

I'm sorry, if you have loyalty to another country, you cannot be, you're not an American. You're not even an American citizen as far as I'm concerned. I saw you bringing this up in other places. Do you think Trump is America first? I think he is, but I don't know that his idea of, what America is and what mine is match. Okay. Yeah. Because I think he thinks that anybody can become an American.

And in, in certain, you know, when my, when my, there's a reason why my first, my first name isn't Pedro. Because my dad wanted me to be a fucking American. There's a reason we didn't speak Spanish in the house. Does my dad want to be to be a fucking American? That's somebody who is like, we're proud. This is, this is our country. Was your, was your father an immigrant? I don't mean to get too personal, but...

I mean, he was born... He came here when he was six months old from Puerto Rico, but he was born in American citizens. So, you know, it's like... Get him out. His father was born an American citizen, and his father before him was born an American citizen. So...

Rob got where I was going with that. That's funny. That was true. Yeah. Get him out. But it's, you know, it's not your... Trump... I look at a nation as its people. Trump looks at a nation as its people, but he thinks that anyone is a possibility that anyone could become an American.

And there is a possibility that somebody can come here and they have a culture bearing, they have the ability to be culture bearing for our culture, you know, is related to our culture. But when you're just bringing people here on H1B visas where they're here to make money, and then if they have a kid here, that kid becomes, I mean, what, the guarantee, you're pretty much guaranteed that that person is not going to be Vivek is not an American Vivek thinks Indians are better than than Americans he said it in that tweet

I'm sorry that is the only way to interpret that tweet so yeah I don't this particular claim has merit but is it like is it un-American to say that the Kenyans can run faster than us like I don't know like if they truly are better

then it is sure yeah that's perfectly fine that doesn't mean I want them living next to me Yeah, yeah, true. Yeah, well, I also want to ask. We don't have to win the 100. The United States does not have to win the 100 meter dash in the Olympics. Fuck that.

I agree. I want to win it. I want to win it. We can finish last. We can finish last and be a coherent culture where people get to live and live prosperously and feel like they're a part of something. Yeah, I do you think culture is important. Yeah. Go ahead, Rob.

Like Sweden. We don't come in first in the Olympics all the time, but we have a very, very nice country. Very nice country. We leave our babies outside. No one takes them. And that's another thing. If they were arguing, if there was some argument for, oh, well, we need these Swedes and we need these Germans and we need these two. But it's all these people who live in a culture of shit.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Oh, shit. Our geopter game on New Year's Eve proved that. Go ahead. Last thing I wanted to ask you, I told you before the show I was going to ask you about this. I think I found the perfect way to frame it. How do you feel about Trump's American expansionism about, you know, wanting to take over Greenland, wanting to take over the Panama Canal, wanting to annex Canada, and by military means, if necessary.

To me, that doesn't say America first. He's like, that's some, fuck. The Panama Canal, I kind of understand that, right? Our blood and sweat and tears and everything went into that. We built that thing. And then we gave it up for a dollar because Jimmy Carter sucks fucking dick. That happened. Okay.

I think, and then Panama Canal also, you know, just south of the border. It's very important trade route. You know, we invested a lot into that. I could see an argument for that. I don't want fucking Canada and I don't care about Greenland. What's your take on those things? I think that anybody who's been paying attention to trump for the last 10 20 years knows he just says shit yeah he just says shit

posturing so he can get a better deal sometimes he mean why would you know why would you want greenland mineral deposits is the only reason why would you say military yeah he says military advantage yeah the only military advantage you could look at is if russia is you know i've heard recently that Russia has a lot of cutters in the in the North in the North Sea like in the day basically taking control that yeah they're basically taking control the North Sea and that could be that could be one of the reasons why is because if you have Greenland then you can stop that to assert you can be like hey you know you're encroaching territory here but I mean I don't I don't think that that yeah and

you know Russia could also one of the things you could do is I mean it could basically walk right over the cap into Canada. So, and I'm not saying that they would be invading, but I'm saying that they could go in there and they could start mineral drilling and doing things without, you know, without permission. I mean, we've had the slant drill. I mean, the frigging Kuwaiti, Iraq War I was all over encroachment of, on oil, on oil field, slant drilling oil field. So, I mean, put it this way.

When Trump starts talking like that, that's just entertainment to me. I just think it's hilarious. I read it to my wife. My wife laughs her ass off because we just know that this isn't going to happen. First of all, Canada is their culture in many ways is more fucked than ours. I mean, there have been assassination. The Indian government has sent Indians there to assassinate other Indians. I mean, Canada's like, it's just their culture.

Let them do it. And it's like, we don't need that here. I mean, we should be building a wall to keep those fucking maple monkeys out on the fucking north on the north border. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

There's no threat from up there, only down south. Yeah. I, you know, Laten brought this up while he was on our show at one point. And he was saying, you know, Russia's only two miles from Alaska. Like, it is kind of right next door. You don't think about it because it's all the way up there. No one cares about it. But it is.

They are our neighbors. They are our neighbors in some sense. And I think Trump doesn't even want war with Russia, really. So it's like why would he want green? Like if he actually sees himself ending this whole conflict, then Greenland's not even a thing for him in his head. Well, I'll, I mean, you can have whatever last talk you want to have. But I guess I want to ask you, first 100 days, anything good, get accomplished first year. What are you like what kind of what kind of predictions or expectations do you have going into this?

You were saying before like if anything good happens, that'll be a win. You know, you know, you don't expect much, but if anything happens, that's good. What are you most expecting? Like what I don't know, give us some, give us a bold prediction from Pekanos. I don't know if there's a bold prediction. I just want the markets to go through the roof. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

I want to make some money. Yeah. I want to make money. 2025 is making money year. That's what we need to do. Yeah. That's what if you have money to invest, I'm not, don't take my advice on anything. I'm fucking retarded, okay?

Not financial advice. Yeah, this is not financial advice. Try to make some money, find some good investments. I would stay away from gold. I would stay away from silver. They're pretty much peaked. I don't see them going up anymore. But, you know, there are some stocks out there, you know, try to figure out.

He's telling me I'm going broke. That's what he's telling me right now. No, no, no. I mean, no, dude, I have a ton of time. Yeah. So yeah, I have a ton of that too. But the, yeah, that's what I would concentrate on. That's what I'm hoping. Yeah, you hope to see, you start seeing some deportations, especially, you know, maybe Homan starts with the people he thinks are the most violent and have criminal records in other countries. Low hanging fruit. That's what I keep hearing. Yeah. Yeah, do that. Which they also pick. You build, try to build upon that. Which is because they're short. All right. That's good. Okay. That's awesome.

No, man. Hey. Hey, Pete, where can people find more? We'd love to have you back on in a couple of months, see how things have turned out. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I would love to come back on on 100 days.

That would be awesome. Yeah, yeah. Where can people find you? Yeah. You can get on a show any podcatcher, Petesubstack.com, the old glory club. That's my guys. Check out our substack. And we stream on YouTube.

and on Twitter, I don't call it next because I'm not nasty. We do that every Thursday night at 8 Eastern. And Vols persona who's in here, he's always in the chat there. And anyone who is, we're going to be streaming on Thursday, and we have an awesome time.

And no one walks away from that disappointed. Some people may get frustrated because we can be assholes. But it's, we have a lot of guys who have are very, very well versed on a lot of different topics. So like if there's a naval thing, we have a couple guys who are former Navy who come on. And we have experts on pretty much everything. So, you know, if there's something specific that happened that week, you're going to get a good take on the old glory club stream. Hell yeah, man.

I'm going to check it out. Sounds like an interesting time. Rob, you got anything? You want to wrap us up? Yeah, man. I just want to say, Pete, thanks for coming on again. I listened to you on Free Man Beyond the Wall, like years ago, big fan. So we'll have you on.

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