The Pete Quiñones Show - 'Race War in High School' Roundtable - w/ Dark Enlightenment, Jose Niño and Charles Spadille

Episode Date: August 18, 2026

76 MinutesNSFWPete is joined by Dark Enlightenment, Jose Niño and Charles Spadille for a roundtable discussion on their overall impressions of Pete's reading of Race War in High School.DE's Telegram ChannelFundamental Principles PodcastCharles' Book - The Holistic Guide to SuicideJose's SubstackJose's Venezuela articles on Occidental ObserverJose on unz.comPete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's Substack Pete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

All right, continue the conversation. No, like the funny part is like the Dominican Republic gives us like good lessons on like immigration enforcement. They actually like bother to enforce their immigration laws when it comes to like Haitians. You know that I worked for immigration in the United States, right? Jose, did Pete tell you that? No, you're not. I went for nine years for the immigration department in the United States. There's just meme going around now.

Have you seen it? It's like something. something war on terror veteran and it's got this guy in a military uniform and it says oh they just want democracy like 2008 they just want democracy and it's the same guy 2014

and he says they don't want democracy and he's got the woj the wojack like depressed face and then 2022 it's got the right wing death squad mask and it's still the same guy and it says I don't want democracy and I was like

just put it again that guy in an old school I-N-S uniform and it me. So, yeah. Like Trujillo, right? He was the dictator of the Dominican Republic. And, you know, he's, like, I honestly think Bukhali is studying him, but you look at Trujillo and he's actually the ideal

model for like the Afro-Caribbean, Latin American states of like, you need a guy who's kind of basically a national socialist type who like will will be pro business enough to keep the money flowing so that they don't go completely broke but isn't going to completely let the society be destroyed because you can you can see the border of the Dominican Republic in Haiti from space because there's no trees in Haiti. Yeah. Like Trulio let let the logging company's log.

He's like, yeah, look, go ahead. Just don't completely destroy our society and like wash all our topsoil away. And then Dominican Republic is a dysfunctional shithole. but compared to, you know, Haiti, it's paradise. And, you know, they're major experts baseball players now. And because, why? Because democracy, right? If you had a guy who was like, look, there's going to be a certain amount of corruption,

a certain amount of dysfunction, certain amount of this, certain amount of that, but we're going to actually be open for business and be able to function. Then you can actually build something in those societies, you know, like all these, all these breathless articles about Buckele, like, Buckele is destroying democracy in Latin America. Like he's got like a 93% of rule rate. Do you think that people care? I don't care.

Bro, like I study Latin American politics. How big is democracy ever really been there? They need a lot of synagogues there is what they need. Yes. That's a good point. That's a good point. I think that would help progressivism tremendously if we just sent, you know, we helped build them. Yeah.

Well, if we, if we sent all of ours down there, then that would that would solve the problem. you know just just just instead of instead of making a lead to israel like they can all just go down that way yeah yeah actually going back to the democracy point like even from like my native country of venezuela like its best years like when it was actually like a first world country was when it had like two like tin pot like dictators um juan vizete gomez and um marcos paris humanezumens and Parisianez was like in the 50s and the funny part was he kind of took like a third way in terms of like he was like an anti-communist but he also was not big on the US and he we got freaking deposed um and replaced by this like really um slavishly pro-U.S social

democratic movement that was empowered in Venezuela until like the late 90s which totally like stagnated the country and laid the groundwork for It's like eventual collapse. Progressivism, stopping progress? No way. So wait a minute. What you're telling me is that the CIA came in and destroyed your country and put in like this. And then eventually that's what led to the rise of Hugo Chavez.

And hey, hey, the CIA destroyed his country. We have something in common. They destroyed ours too. Yeah. Look at that. Yeah, they replaced the dictator with like an anti-communist, like social democratic government that was like also like anti like tanky but like it was like still like this like weird social like dysfunctional social democracy it's like kind of like the um that type of like anti-stalinist

left strategy that the CIA like it's what everybody it's it's what tito was able to do for such a long time that a lot of people tried to um replicate but i mean let's face it tito was a genius he was also brutal. Yeah. I mean, he, people don't want to accept the fact that Yugoslavia ran like a top for a very long time and basically like every country stayed out of their way. And when he, I think at the time, his funeral was the most attended funeral of a world leader ever.

And they, but people have tried to replicate that. but you know it it takes culture and it takes the right kind of leader right and remember p too there's a i'm sure you all know i've absolutely no doubt remember the the quote by machiavelli that is constantly and and consistently misquoted and it's always saying it's better to be loved it's better to be feared than loved and what they constantly forget to mention is that's not the actual quote the actual quote is, in such matters, when the time comes, is it better to be loved or feared? The answer is, of course, it is best to be both. But if one must choose, then it is better to be feared.

But guys like Tito, they understand that leadership is basically just patriarchy in any even vaguely civilized nation. So you have to be a father. you have to be beloved and feared. And I have a strong suspicion that that's what he was able to do, was kind of get on that tightrope and understand his own culture and the cultures with whom he was working so that he could be become beloved and feared. Just like you were saying, his funeral was so unbelievably attended and was so renowned.

It's like, I'm not surprised to hear it. If that makes sense to you guys, the argument that I'm trying to lay forth with that. And I think Bucali, is that how do you pronounce it, Bucali? The, the, yeah, okay, thank you. I think he's doing the same thing. He's becoming a very patriarchal figure because, sure, he has, sure, he has the rod. It will use a Bible illusion here because I'm sure there's quite a few faithful men in the room. Like, okay, sure, he does not spare the rod.

But he also doesn't forget these are his children in a larger sense. And that's what America has absolutely abandoned, well, because we're not really run by our own. people but that's a whole other situation i i mean but he understands that the father you know both you know spanks the child but hugs the child and i i think leadership in the world has largely forgotten that yeah i mean people forget mcqueville all the time yeah but and and that's why america is so dysfunctional is we we neither punish you know sam francis the great I think you've done a few readings of San Francis's stuff. Pete, you know,

when you coined an anarcho tyranny, right? This is what happened in America is after 1945, right? Like, you just couldn't, you couldn't spank for lack of a better, to extend the analogy a little bit. You couldn't spank blacks. And so the state was like cops will like hassle people who are going five miles an hour over, but just completely ignore like domestic violence, assaults,

robberies, rapes in the bad part of town because they'd rather just hand out like a dude is maybe a little bit late to work and going 40 to 35 zone. Like we'll hand him a ticket. Right. You know. And the reason they do that is because it's easier that way and because the system is designed. And you know this from knowing me for many years, Dee. If people apologize for the cops, then I'm the first one to jump down their throat.

If people hate the cops, then I'm also the first one to jump down their throat. because having been in law enforcement for years, I understand the complexities of it. But you understand why. I mean, you're a wise man of the world. You understand that the system is, look what happened to Derek Chauvin. I mean, even if you do your job, literally by the book, the system will punish you as an enforcement arm. Now, again, I'm not being an apologist for them. I'm just explaining that there are larger reasons why this happens.

And of course, I'm going to pull you over, D, you know, as a man, a family man in his family car just trying to get to church. Like, because what's the likelihood you're going to jump out and stab me? What's the likelihood you're going to sue me for racism? What's the likelihood you're going to sue me for sexism? The answer is zero, zero, zero. You're just going to, you're going to be polite. Man, you're not even going to backtalk me.

You're going to wait till I hand you the ticket and then roll up your window. And when you see, I'm in my car, you're going to be like, F that SOB. And that's if your kids aren't in the car, your wife isn't in the car. And if they are, you're still just going to grumble. Man, they got nothing better to do than the ticket of guy taking his kids to church. Do you follow what I'm saying? Yeah. I mean, and I'm not knocking you.

I'm not knocking you at all. I'm saying you're a good citizen. That's what happens. Yeah. Well, and actually, right, an honest society would just declare certain regions like outlaw, like that used to be right in the common law tradition in the UK. If someone was just declared outlaw, it's just like, oh, the law doesn't apply to this person. You can stab them, you can rob them, you can kill him, and nothing will happen to you.

Right. And, you know, to get to the subject of our discussion here, this wonderful, wonderful book, if you just said, look, the law doesn't apply to these people. They don't care. That would actually, who cares, right? Who cares if, you know, the Franklin Caney-Lay and high school parents that are literally rioting the street. You know, just like, the protection of law doesn't mean anything anymore to these people. So they don't have it. That's an interesting point. Yeah. That's an interesting point.

Well, one thing, what I think the thing that makes this book great is that it was written by one of their own. If it would have been written by somebody who was on the outside, just collecting interviews and, you know, trying to get, you know, basically presenting stuff secondhand, I don't think it would be as hard hitting, but the fact that, you know, it was someone who was there, you know, and it was a, I mean, this guy wasn't a conservative. He was, you know, he was part of the union. He was a, let's say a crusader. And he, yeah, he just laid it out. He laid it out without, I think he laid it out without actually realizing like a lot of the implications of what he was laying out as well. I like to play a game. Daily Strummer or Daily Forward. And see like you swap the headlines.

Like this could have been like, you know, it was written by a daily forward guy. And if you just swapped a couple words here and there, it could have been like, you know, it would have been the most like racist thing ever written. And it's hilarious because that's, Just from old school photography, Dee, you make me think it's the same, it's the same camera. It's just one has a little bit of Vaseline on the lens and the other doesn't. It's an old school photography trick to soften things and to give the light a little nicer glow. So it's like, it's like, yeah, they're taking pictures of the exact same things, but they're just kind of, just a little bit of a nuance there to make one the other. Yeah, I'm with you 100%. Well, it's always, it always. works better from somebody who's sympathetic.

You know, the, like the book, the Jewish century, it couldn't be written by somebody other than someone is Jewish. I mean, it doesn't, it wouldn't hit nearly as hard. And, you know, but of course, anyone who's a, any true believer, any, um, is going to even say, oh,

well, he's a cel. hating Jew for pointing out how many, you know, for like numbering how many Bolsheviks were of Jewish descent. But, you know, the fact that this book was written by someone in the union, somebody who was a leader and somebody who was, you know, a true believer, you know, he believed in education. And he believed that, you know, if you may, it, basically when it comes down to it, Saltzman believed that it was just too many black people who were brought in. If it would have just been a certain amount, everything would have been okay.

And possibly, I mean, but we saw in other schools it only had 20% population, yet a lot of the same problems. And they were constantly going to the union and going to the mayor and saying, how do we fix this? No, it's an excellent point. And I think you're absolutely right with the whole fact that it does hit harder because it was one of them as in somebody that was dedicated to the cause up to, and let's be honest, even into a lot of these situations, he still was trying to, I always got the sense from the book that he was very

much trying to resolve the issue as gently and as favorably as possible. Did you get the same impression, Pete, that that was his goal was to try and say, hey, this is a really bad problem and we need to solve this for the benefit of everybody involved. I never got the impression from the book that he suddenly became some right-winger that wanted to deport everybody to Liberia or something. I didn't get that impression at any rate. I very much still was left with his, if anything, bemoaning the fact that he was unable to find a nice, safe, peaceful way of resolving thing.

But by all means, a group's welcome to correct me, if I misinterpreted something. Well, I think he believed that public education can work. And I don't think public education can work unless you're in a monocultural society. The Prussian schooling system was brought here from Prussia, a monoculture, a culture where it worked, a culture where they identified people's strengths and guided them in the right direction. That doesn't happen here. You know, it's like Thomas, Thomas said in the episode, we did together.

He goes, this isn't only a, this isn't only a travesty to the white students. It's a travesty to the black students. They should be, they should be with their own. And it should be with their own culture. They have a culture. And, you know, if, and I'm not even really sure the Prussian system can work with, you know, what's called heritage Americans, because there were a lot of differences between those people, between those groups as well.

But it's certainly when you take a, when you add in the amount of Puerto Ricans that were in that school as well, and you have three distinct cultures, three distinct ways of thinking, three distinct households, the way people are brought up, different households.

And you were- For all the teachers were Jews. That's a great point. Yeah, it's a great point. Yeah, I mean, 60, it was, what was, is that 60,000 teachers were in the UFT and 40,000 of them were Jewish? I mean, even for New York City, that's an incredible overrepresentation.

Yeah. And, you know, on that note, Pete, just to kind of blend what you're saying and what Dee just observed as well, keep in mind, I think it's something like 90% of human communication is nonverbal. I think it's something along those lines. Anywhere from 80 to 90% of human communication is nonverbal. So when you talk about the cultural differences and then D adding another culture to the mix on top of the three that you mentioned, you effectively have. If we take both of those statements as fact, there are four cultures or large cultures.

There obviously there's probably a few Asians in there, but let's just keep it simple. Take four large cultures. And then if we take the other fact that 80 to 90 percent of all human communication is nonverbal, you have four different communities all speaking different languages at. each other trying to convey information and to make one another quote unquote the model citizens and informed it's like well model citizens for whom for for what culture a model jewish citizen a model heritage american citizen a model black citizen a model portoican citizen whom exactly what model citizen are we trying to nebulous ideal american right exactly but i mean think about even if we knew what I think what I'm trying to say here Pete is even if we knew

what that's that was and you're correct it was very nebulous it's a civic nationalist concept that really is ill-defined I'm with you this is not a disagreement this is a yes and even but even if we could imagine how difficult that would be and now make it nebulous and that's how difficult it is in the real world go ahead Jose yeah one thing I've noticed over the years, like in the U.S., that there's like this type of strand of immigrant that does like assimilate to the U.S., but it assimilates this weird, like, the rascinated consumer type of archetype

that global elites want to forge it. It's like this just weird, like mixed race type of individual whose only like connection to the U.S. is really like where they shop and all this stuff. And it turns into this like bizarre type of like monoculture This globalist like a monoculture that Elites like went to four

There's like the new man but like In a like very post-national sense Of the of the term And yeah it's like It's weird because like everybody loses out Because first off like the core culture here gets totally wiped out because of the demographic displacement. But then you have like these other cultures, um,

that also do lose their identity over time because they are basically like conditioned to like accept like civic nationalist type of priors and tendencies such as like mindless consumerism and, um, devotion to like this universalist imperial project that's like based on like so-called liberal democracy and all of that. I think this is like one of like the ironies of multiculturalism is that it kind of like leads to this really weird type of deracinated monoculture. Yeah, that it's exactly what leads to like conserve quote unquote conservative was like Saurabamari telling like people whose ancestors fought for the Confederacy that like you don't

know what it's like being an American and John. Calhoun sucks and you should listen to me, you know, that it's like, you know, the, the, you know, the Padmi Lakshmi at NPR News going, pardon me, you have no idea what's like to be an American, even though your ancestors have been here for 300 years, you know, I'm going to tell you that you're a bad American, you know, that's exactly what that leads to. And instead of, and it's, you know, I find it absolutely infuriating to some of these ancestors, been here a long time, like, you know, off, buddy. Like, I don't, I don't care what you like, you just got here last week

and you're trying to tell me that like the Confederacy is an American or or whatever. I used to say to go off of Jose's point, I used to say when I started work for migration, I'm a very fast learner. I used to say, this is back in 1998, that

America is a strip mall. Everybody comes here to get what they want and then go home. So I, just to kind of, but I do think a lot of your points, Jose, were spot on. So I'm going to kind of blend the two and I'm going to say, America is a strip mall. You either come here to shop and go home or you come here to work at Banana Republic and then send your money home. That's basically the two things that happen in America now. I can count on

one hand and my my intermed is coming out. I'm hand gesturing to a camera that's not even on. But I can count on one hand the number of people that I gave green, cards to end or gave citizenship to in my almost decade long career that actually were interested in becoming American. Everybody else was just here for the cash, either to make it or, as you say, to become a consumer or to just send it home to, you know, India, Pakistan, South America, whatever, et cetera, yeah, et cetera. I can count on one hand.

And ironically enough, that's the same number of ethnic U.S. Europeans that I that I brought in here as well probably one hand in 10 years. Oh, if you were to see anarcho tyranny in action with like the immigration system, like talk to any European or like white South African who goes through the legal immigration process. Um, they like go through crazy barriers, whereas any other person from like insert X like crap hole like in the global self, they get in like, they're allowed to get in like Scott free illegally.

white Argentinian wants to come here you know if you're not like a sports star try to get into America as a white person you know it's very very difficult to go

to go back on the remittances points yeah it's actually like pretty like almost like clown worldish like some of these countries like El Salvador like well prior to Buceli like their foreign investment the bulk of their foreign investment was like freaking remittances from like

the US that stuff is just like is totally like nuts. Well, you know when the biggest times of illegal immigration are in America, right? Well, historically now it's a little different that the border is effectively wide open. Yeah. Even the loose border, it was always, we had to be, we had the most emigration right before Christmas and the most illegal immigration right after Christmas. Everybody would go home for Christmas and then they'd come back.

That's when we did it historically. So I know that from talking to DE, he thinks that this book is probably one of the most important things, most important books anyone could ever read. So why don't you explain to people why you think that? So I wrote this to Pete. I read a lot. I have thousands of books in my own personal library and, you know, maxed out my own library card and, you know, maybe we might have occasionally pirated hundreds of e-books, you know, possibly. And if I had to give someone to one single book that was like,

what went wrong in the latter half of the 20th century in America for the last 70 years, right, from 1950 to, because America in 1950 was at the top of the world, we had a massive industrial sector. We had everything going for us. The only world superpower, if I had to give someone one book to explain like what went wrong, it would be this book. Yeah. Well, why? Well, it's just, it's all there.

It's like, to use a literary reference, like the opening paragraph, like the sun also rises with the opening two pages. You know, the whole theme of the book is all just right there. And that's what makes Hemingway, you know, a great literary writer. But everything is in this book. You know, rent seeking by the state,

Jewish power and collusion towards Jewish ends racial dysfunction white conservatives not understanding the shot and cucking and not organizing sufficiently like it's just all there in you know traitorous political elites who would throw the normal taxpayer under the bus to you know not seem racist

like it's you just you can just see and like you said Pete you know like the guy who wrote it is this true believing Jew who just didn't understand the implications? And once you understand what we understand, it's all there. It's all in the book somehow. You got anything else? Yeah, I actually wanted to go back to a previous point. I think one of the more powerful aspects of the book was the insider perspective

because there is like a lot of focus in like the Senate movements about like the outside game, which is very important. But it's good to get like an account. from somebody that's working in the system. That's why I tell a lot of people that are like that get into the space that if they have like a current job in the government or whatever, they should still like try to do everything possible to keep it because they can like really spill the beans on a lot of stuff that's going on and they have like credibility with that type of position.

To like speak on how dysfunctional the the school system or just the general bureaucracy. is because I do think that we do need people on the inside to expose the rock that's within because they're just going to have like a lot more credibility than some guy that like obviously has like the correct talking points but that's just like on a forum talking smack about this stuff. I just think that to me it was like pretty eye opening how like you even had a person that's very much like bought in. works in the system as bought into the ideology challenging this. And it's also, I think, what kind of represents a tide shift to because in the civil rights

movement, a lot of like the excesses of it were ultimately tamed by some liberals and other members of the elites that saw like the civil rights movement get really out of control, especially the black nationalist segment of it that was trending towards like anti-Semitism and all that. ultimately kind of like contain that for a bit because a lot of these revolutions do often like eat a lot of their own. So elites always have to play this type of like tightrope walk, do this tightrope walk to make sure that they are able to like maintain their power without getting like toppled by like some of like the monsters they unleashed. One of the things I see in this too is the is really showing how whenever they want to paint the 60s radicals and everything, they paint them as these college students or people in their 20s walking down the streets or throwing rocks, doing whatever. You know, people want to paint the civil rights movement as it was a, you know, it was peaceful.

there was, you know, it was just white people coming, white cops coming out. There were fire hoses and dogs, sicking them on peaceful people. Well, I mean, yeah, that's the court history, not the real history. But what I think this book really goes to show, too, is that it was high school students. High school students were raping and setting people on fire and doing and hooked on heroin. And people try to excuse that. They excuse it by, oh, there were high school students. They were, you know, some may even say, oh, they were under the, they were impressionable.

And some militants got a hold of them. Well, you know, well, what's the excuse nowadays? You know, we see videos all the time of teachers and students getting the shit kicked out of them by, you know, what looked like black adults. but they turn out to be 14 and 15-year-old men, you know, men and women. I was going to say boys and girls, but men and women. Yeah, I mean, this book really goes to show that when you, that didn't just, you know, the teenagers back then weren't just, you know, angels who, you know, they were, I mean, these were people.

These were dangerous fucking people. Yeah. Yeah. well and and and not only were they incredibly dangerous it's not like they were really dangerous but there was a lot of potential there if they could have just been you know channeled in the right direction that they would have like been rockets out you know rocket surgeons or something these are dangerous people who are nearly retarded and not capable of of you know working one of the one of the mechanisms that our society uses to control people right jordan people

Peterson will again like the implication right Jordan Peterson will be like well it's a very scary statistic that you know eight people with a below in IQ of 83 can't be employed in anything useful it's a very frightened to discuss 10% of the population and he'll talk about that but he won't like okay but who is that 10% Jordan you know like you know black average IQ is 85 right and it is right and everyone's known this for years Jordan Peterson knows this Charles Murray knows this Everybody knows this. That means that like half, half of black men are unemployable, completely.

And I don't know what the solution is, if there's a solution, but I know that not talking about it and lying is not going to help anything. And that's why this book is so valuable is because it just doesn't lie. to kind of give my take on why I think the book is valuable, I think it's a combination of both yours and Pete's assessment. I think if anybody here's familiar with fractal theory at all, vaguely fractal theory, where there is no such thing as different. It's really just everything is either larger or smaller version of itself.

And to kind of go off of what you were saying earlier, I mean, I agree with you 100% everything is in there. Every problem that faces, I would argue, Western civilization at this point is demonstrated in that book. And all it does,

any difference between what Saltsman writes in that book and the governments of the United Kingdom, the governments of the United States, etc. It's all, it's just a matter of scale. That's it. It's just a matter of scale. Everything else is exactly the same. And to riff a bit off of Pete's point, I would also say the other beauty of this book that I think wasn't mentioned by UD was that it shows you that some of these things are not problems that are necessarily solvable.

They're just a human condition. And what do we do with these people? And again, I'm not even advocating any type of action at this point. I'm simply saying it is a problem of a human condition. what do we do and to further move along pete's line i would say that it's excuse me that it's also showing you that progressives and the left are not the people you think they are far more often than not they are they are not these golden loving people without stretched arms that only want to do the right thing that i constantly had to tell a former girl from mine former girl from mine that i love

very dearly, but just that people fall for constantly. The people like her fall for constantly because the people like her have a big heart, you know, nice women, good girls. And they hear these people, oh, they're just good leftists and they want to be nice and hug everybody. But you see the power that these people are really seeking. You see the underhanded tactics and the lies and the people that they are willing to hurt, roll under the bus, manipulate, lie to.

you see that these people are not angels. They are not who they claim to be. Does that make sense, gentlemen? Did I lay that out well enough? Anyone. I mean, yeah, I mean, well, to go back to the whole thing about IQ and everything, I talked to Devin Stack for almost like two hours last night. And what, or it was Thursday night.

And one of the things that he brought up was he said, look, he said, I have a high IQ. So say I have a high IQ and my IQ is 140, but I moved to a country where the average IQ is 190. How am I going to feel? What's my attitude going to be? You know, where am I, where am I now on the, on the, on the, on the sociosexual hierarchy? Even put it that way. I'm women don't, me except if, if, if, there was a woman who was like in my in my IQ range they but there's nothing there's nothing for me what do I do what do I do if I'm you know just I don't have the means to leave or go anywhere else how would I react what would my reaction be and what it would my reaction be if I was like if my

ancestors were like brought there forcibly brought there and I don't think he's we're not he's not making excuses he's just saying use this to analyze the situation. And then what are the solution from there? Well, sure. And actually, one of the things, I've talked about this a little bit, but like it's cruel.

Like, for all the evil propaganda out there talking about you know, race mixing and, oh, the white women actually don't like dating black men. If you actually go into the data, right, that's not something that happens very often. And you tell all these, like,

frankly, you know, like the average black girl weighs 18 18 and I remember looking that up a few years ago, like four or five years ago. And the average Hispanic girl was like 160 and the average white girl was like 145. And the average Asian girl was like 110. It's the same progression you see everywhere. Right. So if you're told all the time that this girl who's skinnier, better looking

smarter like secretly really wants you but she's always brushing you off if you're like hey baby you want a date and like she's like no thanks every day for years that's cruel it's you know I mean

that that's really really cruel it's it's and that's what's happening you know I'm not excusing any of the violence especially you know that interracial sexual assaults and rapes and stuff I mean I I think that those should be punished severely severely punished. And I think they have to be,

history shows us the only way to keep that sort of thing in line is by, harsh, harsh punishment. But if you just told people the truth, like, now they're not interested, bud, find a girl of your own group to date, right? That might actually alleviate those situations. It certainly wouldn't worsen anything. It's like you're saying, it certainly wouldn't worsen anything,

Even if it didn't make things better, it wouldn't can make things worse like they're doing now. And take your example for the sexual relationships and just put that on, as Pete was doing, put that on to academic achievements. You're setting these people up with these terrible expectations that they have basically, for all intents and purposes, zero odds of meeting. You're basically asking these people to fail. And it's like, no wonder they're frustrated. And it's why when I spoke with Pete and the time we spoke about this book before, I try to have a compassionate view. Do I make excuses for them? No.

Do I think a lot of these behaviors should be punished or most of these behaviors, if not all? Yes. Do I think they should be punished? Just like you're saying. But we have to understand. And this relates back to the point I made a few moments ago about we have to deal with the human condition as it is. We have to deal with it as it is. I don't go ahead.

Yeah, I actually agree with the point that Charles raised with the human condition because in my previous conservatism, Inc. libertarian phase, I was always of the opinion that if you just change the institution, you implement like this like deregulation reform or whatever, like privatized the school, you would fix these problems. But I think the problems go like much, much deeper than like policy tweaks. Like, yeah, you need to like punish bad behavior. But I think where a lot of people go astray, especially in the like American right that is like much more free market oriented, is that even if you were to get like a like magic wand and change those policies, you're still going to have those problems like inherent with like different cultures and races. They're just going to manifest themselves differently. And sometimes some of these reforms may actually reward. this dysfunction in different ways. And that's why I tend to think that like some degree of like separation is like very

necessary because there was a time like in the U.S. when you had like a semi-functional black community whenever they had like leaders like from like SB Fuller to Marcus Garvey that at least were getting people to like set up businesses and build like some semblance of a civil society. yeah it's obviously not going to match like any european descended like a segment of america in terms of like economic development and cultural like uh achievements but like it was actually functional and it's much more functional than what you see now but um yeah i've um i've like really have abandoned a lot of the type of um conservative libertarian mindset on the on these issues

that if you just implement like school choice reforms and all this stuff like this will fix it no i think it's like a lot deeper and there has to be like much more um uncomfortable conversations about this because we're not going to solve it by just using like think tank papers and played out talking points that you hear people use well and remember too like to go off of your point Jose too i'm with you 100% on that and let's kind of tie it in with what pete was saying about And what Dee was saying about some of the other leaders, remember, like, those men understood the differences between people. And I think another reason they were able to accomplish. And as the man is now down in El Salvador, they're able to accomplish these things is because they realize they're dealing with a human problem.

He's not dealing with paperwork. He's putting bugs in prison. I mean, like, he understands no amount of, you know, pamphlets that I hand these guys about be nice to your neighbor. or, you know, don't rape women, don't murder people, don't cut people up with chainsaws and feed them to dogs. It's like, that's not going to do anything. This is a human issue and I have to deal with these people. And that's, I think, what makes all of these, for lack of better term, strong-armed leaders effective is because they understand no policy in and of itself is going to solve the problem. You have to get your hands dirty.

You have to go in and you have to deal with the problem. Now, maybe sometimes that's a hug. Maybe sometimes that's the rod. But you have to go in and you have to get your hands dirty. To use your line, I like it very much, Jose, you can't just use a think tank. You can't just write a paper on it. You have to get in there. You have to roll your sleeves up and you have to either you have to take some heads or you have to help dig a ditch.

I mean, you just have to get in there. Yeah. It's carrot and stick politics And that's like how it's been since like day one And I think that's one thing Most of like the like anglosphere right Kind of ignores They think that we've we've entered like a post political

Era and whatnot And it's really not the case We're still very much like politics like suffuses Like all like relations From like the federal level down to like even like the basic like community level there's still these political principles that have to be like obeyed um if you want to have like a semi functional society well and that anglo enlightened you know liberalism of super individualization and like it took a thousand years of hanging everyone

who even stole a love of bread and living on an island to do to make people that were capable of having that kind of that kind of idea. And then those same people, rather than me like, we have Fortress America, Canada, we have all of these people. And we're just going to, we're going to have a lot of British. We're going to make a gigantic Britain, which is kind of what the founding father's original idea was.

You know, like throw in the occasional, you know, northern German or northern French person, I guess. But you take that and then you apply that same idea to people from literally the whole planet and just say, oh, anyone can come here as long as you have, again they don't have this thousand years of like right you know what would africa look like have you literally hung every petty thief for a thousand years i don't know but we got to live with what what's right now and what right now is is that is that petty fevery is just kind of the way they operate like that's just what they do well again to tie both you and jose together with this

it's remember i i would say the anglo mindset is just very very divorced from the realities that created it. It's very divorced. It's no longer, it's no longer an Anglo mindset. It's been taken over by a Judeo mindset. True. True. Well, yes, true. Yeah, yes. But what I'm saying, though, is it's the, the principles, regardless of who, whoever may hold them at this point, it's divorced from the reality that that led to it. That led to the ability to hold it rather, excuse me, that led to the ability to hold such a, and I use very big air quotes around this, such an enlightened view because it forgets all the mud, blood, you know, blades and rope that created it. And I'm not, and again, I'm not, I'm with D, I'm not calling for violence for

violence's sake. That's not at all what I'm saying. What I'm saying is you're, if you don't clean the gene pool, you're going to deal with a mess. And then, and I, I don't know what Africa would look like if they hang petty if they hung petty thieves for a thousand years but i i would be willing to bet you a kidney maybe even one of my own that i that it would look a lot better than it does now well i was just yeah i was um i was on a telegram channel that uh i won't say the name of the channel just because i don't want to draw attention to them and um they'd post some insane stuff but they were showing video of the south african riots from 2020 July 2021.

I mean, to believe that that is, if you're looking at it from an enlightenment standpoint, if you're looking at it from the Enlightenment was the greatest thing that ever happened to people, yada, yada, yada, we've come so far since the Enlightenment, we've, you know, almost embracing a Whig theory of history, you look at those videos and you have to think, well, I'm sorry that this,

just not working. Well, we just didn't bring the enlightenment to them. We did. We tried. I mean, I'm not scared. I'm not scared to say that South Africa was much better under apartheid than it is now. Rolling blackouts.

You know, and it's really become a class thing because anybody who's like looked at those videos from July 2021, I mean, they had videos of shootouts and it was basically all of the looters and all of the people murdering people were black, were black South Africans, but there were blacks and whites shooting at them. I mean, and so it's like, it's a class, you know, there's like a real class war almost

kind of thing going on down there. Yeah. But you can't, but you can't ignore the fact that there aren't any whites on the side of the people who are doing the looting, the murdering. and the destroying. So, you know, just to step, just to take a step from the point you just made, Pete, about we tried, we brought these things, the, the Enlightenment, air quotes to people. Those were the words you used.

And I like this because it made me think we tried and it didn't take. What I immediately jumped to mind was I imagine the, the enlightenment or these values or these things that did enable certain communities to rise up to levels here to four on. like putting a man on the moon, et cetera. But like think of it as a shovel. Like, and you're handing a shovel, an adult man is handing a shovel to a three-year-old. And I mean a normal-sized spade shovel. I'm sure everybody here is no stranger to actual labor.

Like, if you hand the child a shovel, like the shovel is a tool. You can dig with it. You can make yourself a well. You could make yourself a house with it, a berm, whatever. You can do a lot with a shovel. But if you're only three years old, how are you going to hold it? How are you going to dig with it? How are you going to use it effectively?

And I would say that a lot of these principles are the same way. If they haven't built up the strengths, they haven't built up the physique, they haven't built up just simply the mass in many ways. Again, it's a metaphor. To utilize this tool, then the tool is useless to them. Then it's just a burden to them. Or at worst, it's just going to be a weapon for them to misuse. Does that make sense? Do you see how the metaphor of them trying to draw there? Yeah, and it's amazing how that weapon can be, is misused by the lowest IQ and the highest IQ.

Yeah. Yeah. One uses it for, for destruction purposes to just watch the world burn. And the other one uses it for destruction purposes that actually benefits them and puts them on top, but also to watch the world burn. Hmm. Mm-hmm. Where do we go from there? Yeah, that's a million-dollar question.

You know, it's a trillion dollar. Yeah, I mean, that's, that really is it. Like, yeah. And it's not even, it's not even that, you know, obviously, I made the SPLC, like, hate list a couple times. and so I'm obviously a motivated actor, I guess.

But it's a, do you want to have a society at all in 50 years, 100 years, 200 years? Because that's the choice we're faced with. It's not a, oh, are you being unfair? It's like, will there be people who are using anything more than like sticks and fire in 100 years? because that's the kind of destruction and fall of civilization we're looking at if we don't make some changes. And the first step to making any kind of changes is admitting that there's a problem. Right. It goes.

Well, there seems to be a group in power that is willing to burn everything down that, you know, just so they can rule over the ashes. Or at least, at least I think they'll roll over the ashes. Right. Yeah, well, I mean, because they're still as mad about a program that happened in 1648. And so the people who live in that same spot now have to die. That's that's basically it. I mean, you know, these neocontradial Jews, like five of the six major studio heads, if you read like listen to an empire of their own right.

And you put a a circle alone Lavav or Leviv in western Ukraine and drew like a 500 mile circle. Literally every major studio head that came to Hollywood and founded, you know, Warner Brothers, MGM, all these, they all came from within 500 miles of LeViv. They're all just resentful, pale of settlement Jews that hate Slavs and Christians. Like, that's just what they are. And if we can admit that, we can admit that, like, Marie Salzman just, he just hates Catholics and wasps. Like, he just hates them at an avatistic genetic level, like, white people. asserting themselves gives this dude the hives right and then he went on to become was it

saltman no Harold Salzman wrote the book who is who is his who is his boss that eventually became the head of the AFT oh um I have to look it up that right but the two largest the two largest unions in America right are the national education association and the American Federation of teachers, right? And and the, the American Federation of Teachers head is Randy White Garden, you know, a Jewish lesbian from Chicago who's quote unquote married to a rabbi, right? Like, you know, a girl rabbi, first of all, not a real thing. Girls getting married to other girls, not a real thing. You know, like, um, do you not to cut off your train of thought, forgive me, please. But you mentioned Randy Wine Garden.

And I texted my dad the video. You're familiar with my family history. I texted my dad the video that went around of her speech and then of the one. Who's the black woman that had that like almost that really, that really knows. She's the head of the N. A head. So she's the largest.

Yeah. Yeah, that was it. The N. Yeah. And I texted my dad that speech. My dad wrote me back. Who is she talking to? Me?

Someone else. I haven't listened to the N.E.A. since 1975. Right. But these two, like, you know, local education,

state level politics in America. And this, this, right? I mean, this book makes it very explicit. It's a money laundering operation. Yeah.

Where you pay property taxes. Those go to the teachers. The teachers kick back a certain percentage of their salaries to politicians, right? And the politicians do what the teachers want. So American public schools are effectively a money-in-lindering operation for public sector unions, at least the Democratic politicians are. You know, if Republican politician, you know, the difference between the Democratic politician and Republican politician is that the people who vote for Democrats actually get something in exchange for their vote, you know. So, I mean, that's, but you look at this situation where we have.

these two gigantic unions that are the largest unions in the country and of course what was it was Albert Albert Schenker that's right yeah right so we have this situation where the Republicans won't even play on the same field they'll talk about oh the teachers union needs to be such and such and such and such where I'm sure you guys saw the New York City right they gave millions like billions of dollars to people who'd failed

like be basically like can you read before you teach test right you know and there's this this black guy who is obviously semi-aliterate and like well you know the lawsuits there's very complicated

and uh and of course like in the background sure right yeah three times yeah three times and we're supposed to this is a state of affairs

where nothing is going to get done, right? The public schools, if they're even a real thing that are worthwhile, we can debate that, like Pete said, that we were a Prussian invention for Prussians, right?

Right. Whether they could even work in the United States, they certainly can't work when you're forced to hire people who were illiterate to teach literacy. Yeah. And not to, and to maintain your point,

I don't know if I mentioned, this when Pete and I were speaking the last time I appeared, but I have quite a few friends out here that work for the Oklahoma school systems as maintenance. They do HVAC, plumbing, etc. And I could tell you for a fact that during the COVID epidemic, what the schools would do when they were not having in-school sessions, when they were just doing it by Zoom, they were literally still opening and sometimes having maintenance personnel show up to do this. They would open the school, people would come in, get breakfast from the school cafeteria, go home, and then come back for lunch, and then go home again.

So what you're saying is correct. And then on top of that, people, the average person would be amazed at how much, quote, unquote, education budget is really just welfare by another name, really is just feeding a population by another name. And I had a debate again with that big hearted girl that I mentioned earlier. She's like, oh, well, the students can't learn if they, if they're not fed. It's like, okay, but they're not in school. Why is it the school's job to feed them if they're not there? Like, why you're right? okay, let's say that you're right, honey, why aren't their parents feeding them? Why is that the school budget has to feed them now? Why do they come in? It's like if they're not even taking

classes there, why do they drive in? That's just welfare by another name. So yes, you're correct, but I just wanted to add on that a lot of the budget is, if it's not kickbacks, it's just welfare by another name. What does it say about a community that like you can't feed your children? Like this is, I have kids. I don't know if any of the rest of you do. Keeping your children fed is like the absolute basic level of parenting. We're not talking providing piano lessons or pony rides or anything else. Back to basics.

Like, like, it is the absolute bare minimum you need to do to not abuse your children is make sure they eat. Like, even my kids. What do you want a cookie? right exactly like and if a community isn't capable of that for legitimately just isn't capable of that and as food prices have gone up I think more and more people are in that situation is terrible yeah um again we're just not honest about it like if and and this is all true right like as as as techn as technological society gets more and more complex right more and more people are priced out of the labor market.

Yeah. And more and more people just can't. Like, okay, well, if, if that's true, why aren't we dealing with this problem? And the answer, of course, is that if you actually dealt with this problem, we're honest about this problem, a bunch of people would start asking questions like, wait a minute. Why is everyone who's in charge of everything from within like 350 miles of LeViv? But why are the, you know, like, and. And why can't, like, why is it?

You're just jealous because they're smarter and richer than you. Well, they're richer than I am, sure. But, but actually, no, they're not smarter than me. And that's the thing that, right? That's why, that's why I'm not allowed on the media. Is that, you know, like I've been banned from Twitter and I've been banned from all these other things. And so have millions and, you know, tens of thousands of other people who are just like me who were intelligent, thoughtful. You know, like, look at all this stuff you've been banned from, Pete.

Like, if it was like, if we were in the marketplace of ideas, you know, that was a real thing. Pete Quinonez would have his own show at like Sunday morning at 10 a.m. And there'd be like, you know, we're in the marketplace of ideas, DE. It's just that some of those ideas have the consequences. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Well, then let me have Twitter and PayPal and all these other things and we'll just compete. The C, right? Build your own ideas. Yeah, build your own ideas. I mean, it's, you know, in 2020, 2020 was just the nail in the coffin for, you know, the marketplace of ideas or, you know, but you still have the James Lindsay's of the world out there saying, really the only way to beat wokeism is you know classical liberalism classical liberalism hasn't

even started like classical liberalism hasn't even been tried what are we talking about here it's like what what got us here what have we tried you know what has what has succeeded the only thing that has succeeded so far is people who are willing to take power and wield it that's the only thing that has ever succeeded and it is what succeeds. And you can call that immoral. You can call it whatever you want. I don't give a fuck. It is what to work.

And, yeah, go ahead. So like Chris Rufo, James Lindsay, these type of guys. Thankfully, she kind of got run off Carlin Borstenko. These types, Lord. conservatives will sit there and be like

and they did this with Jordan Peterson and they've done this to the whole bunch of other people right like you'll have a leftist who disagrees on one slight thing like Jordan Peterson's whole thing was like I'm not going to call Pete Petro because he slapped on a dress and said you have to call me Petra like I'm just going to call him Pete

that's what's going to happen I'm not doing it right? So all of a sudden Jordan Peterson is this, you know, and you can see it in the book, too. Like this is the, these parents didn't, they're like, oh, well, this person kind of agrees with us or the guy who's like pro, pro American. Like, no, buddy, what you are is you're the representative of the white people in New York. And all of those people have been driven out. They've all been driven to the suburbs.

All of them. There aren't, there isn't hardly, except for Staten Island, there are almost no working class white people left in the five boroughs. Right. But these politicians, oh, we just want to talk about it. Like, no, no, no. You represent individual people and your job is to wield power on behalf of those people. And or you represent groups of people and your job is to represent or yield power on behalf of those groups. So all these people who want to do the classical liberalism thing of like, well, we just need to try it. Like, what you're doing is seating the field before you even get on the, like, if we're playing a game of football and you're like, you're like, You know, when you get the ball, we should start on my own 35-yard line.

So you only have to go 35 yards to score a touchdown. And I'm going to have to go 65 yards. And that's just the way the game is going to be played. Well, remember what I put on Twitter a while back. Like when everybody was saying the conservatives have conserved nothing. I said, I absolutely been vehemently disagree with that. What did I say, Dee? I said conservatives conserve influence and power until the left is ready to make use of them.

And so that's what they do. I mean, they just hold power and they make, they conserve influence, they conserve power. And then they just say, okay, we're going to keep this in the closet until you leftists are ready to make use of it. When you're ready for it, come get it. I'll hand you the key. And that's what's so infuriating. That's what's infuriating about them. It's exactly what you're saying.

Well, it's trying to, trying to get them to divorce personal morality from political morality is, is where it is the huge problem is the left or, you know, whatever we want to call these people, I guess the left is, we'll do. They have neither. They have no personal nor political morality. And I think a lot of the people who would call them, themselves right-wingers have a lot of personal morality. And they think that that is somehow because they just want to grill,

be left alone and grill that, you know, that's how, you know, to try to force that upon, you know, to force people to leave you alone is wrong in some sort of way. And it's like, and they're like, well, you know, and, you know, then you'll have the libertarian argument. Well, it's like, well, we have to wait until somebody starts aggressing upon us. It's like, well, okay, well, we pretty much know the players, they're wearing jerseys now. You can see who the enemy is. You can see who your opponent is. And you know what they're capable of.

And if you're not actively doing everything you can to mitigate. that damage and also seeking ways to figure out in the long run how to destroy it forever. And I'm not talking about to put it away. I'm talking about to destroy it forever. Then you're just waiting to be, you know, for lack of a better term, and I know it sounds hyperbolic, you're just waiting to be loaded onto a box car. It's going to come to that. If you have the progressive worldview that people are born, you know,

You know, born tabula rasa, and everything that's wrong with them is stuff that was put into them by their parents, by their pastor, by whomever. And those, and if you have a vision that the world can be perfect, look what, how did the Bolsheviks deal with that? They just started killing people. They just started killing everyone that they're like, well, this person is too old to get on board and we need to speed this up boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom i mean when does it come to that people don't think oh that that can't come to that we have guns in this yeah okay we have guns okay sure i've said for many years that where we're at now is where they were in spain in 1936 of january i've that was you and me that was our conversation god i remember that was just we were talking we said that

remember that yeah it was a like when i was it i was sitting there i was sitting there i was sitting in my desk home from work during the COVID thing and I said, you know, there's no sitting in this, actually, sitting in the same chair talking about it. And this is why your series on the Spanish Civil War has been so great, Pete. I mean, on top of all your other series. But like, there's no, you have to pick aside.

You have to pick aside right now, communists or the other guys. Yep. And Spain, 1936. pick aside. Everybody that James Lindsay and Carlin Borzenko and Chris Rufo and National Review, they all want to pretend that like there's this choice of like, well, I don't really think that we have to go full nationalists. Can't we just be like moderate nationalist? Can't we like, no, you're dealing with people who will rape nuns and crucify priests and and dig up dead bodies and

set them on fire and they will cut the genitals off a four-year-old. child and you tell me like well let's try and be reasonable yeah get out of here yeah you're crazy yeah i think um a lot of people now are getting a wake-up call especially um after like the collapse of like the soviet union and like the emergent unipolar order now that things are becoming like much more multipolar um not just like on the international scale but also like we're seeing like the return of like real politics. Now, most of these people are just not going to be ready whenever like shit goes down. Like you're going to have to like throw down.

Like you can't just like rely on debates and persuasion. You're good, especially when you're dealing with an enemy that is willing to do what it takes to like when that means like inflicting lethal force that will do it. and just like categorically rejecting the use of like hard politics to me is suicidal at this juncture. And I would say like this entire process could be called like the trials, if you will. And some of these people, they're frankly just going to get like destroyed. And ultimately it's going to be the ones the savvious and the strongest that are going to survive. And that's the silver lining of this, that these buffoons are going to be like the first to get like murked.

to be honest, it's probably better because we're going to win by addition, by subtraction when these people are not like around us and playing us with this stupid post-political mindset because politics has not gone away and it's going to manifest itself

in the nastiest form and some of these people are just not like going to be ready and they're just going to get liquidated unfortunately. Whatever shall we do without the you know, the written stylings of Kathy Reasonwitz, Jose, whatever shall we do. Yeah, I just want to raise a point here real quick. Pete, I want to step back to something you said about the, a lot of the right just wants to grill and just leave, you know, just leave us alone, et cetera. I think what my assessment has been, D and I have spoken about this many times on the side, just as friends. What I've said for a long time is the left is does nothing but project. Being spiritually female, it does nothing but project, project, project, project, project, project. But I also think the right does that as well.

in many ways. If we just keep saying, let's be civil, let's all just try and talk this out, let's all just grill, they're projecting. They think everybody is willing to just grill. Everybody's willing to just stay in their lane, do their thing. I think both sides are projecting. But the problem is, one side's projection leads to victory and the other side's projection leads to defeat. Because if you're constant, if I'm projecting on you, Pete, let's just say this, for example, If I'm projecting onto you that everything you do is to hurt me, everything you do to even get close to power is going to lead to me losing power, then obviously I'm going to be in a state of heightened awareness and I'm going to be ready for you if and when you do decide to go after me. Even if I'm completely delusional, I'll still be ready for you. Now, on the inverse, if you look at me and go, well, Charles just wants to grill, he'll eventually see reason.

I'm not going to worry, but I would eventually see reason. So he will. Well, then that means every time I go to put the knife in you, you're going to be flipping a burger, handing a dog to the misses, et cetera, at the grill. And you're not going to see it coming. Oh, you're going to get grilled. Like, that's ultimately, you know, receiving and getting, like, cooked alive. But you see where I'm going with that, Jose, right? Is it one side is constant, one side's projection will lead to victory.

Delusion or a lot, delusional or not, it will lead to victory. The other sides will lead. It's even worse than that, Charles. Go ahead. My desire for power, they say, is going to lead to six million dead. Therefore, therefore, my, I'm the worst, I'm associated with the worst person who ever lived. Therefore, I'm, it's okay to kill me. Oh, okay. Yeah. I think you're still not disagreeing with my point. I think you're just saying yes and. Right. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm saying yes and. I'm saying,

no, I think it's much worse. It's much worse because as soon as you label somebody as the, you know, as the worst thing that's ever lived. And, you know, and I think it's amazing that I just mentioned, I mentioned the Bolsheviks. You know, it's like somebody had said the other day that, so it made this like offhand comment on Twitter that, oh, you somebody, and they weren't talking to me, but I just saw it. And I said, so you're upset because college students hate fascists. And I just commented, who told them to hate fascists?

because I wanted to, I wanted a response because no matter, and they didn't respond, they must be a lot smarter than, than I gave them credit for. Because if they would have responded, you know, I would have immediately said, okay, why didn't they tell them to hate Bolsheviks? Okay. And then you, then you start going back and forth. And, you know, you don't even have to bring up, know, who was overrepresented in the Bolsheviks and everything, because then you can just,

then I'll start talking about, you know, that there were 150,000 Jews in the Vermacht and people will be like, well, then you're, then you're just, you're playing tennis at that point. But really, you know, it's who told these people who the worst people are and, you know, who really are the worst people. And what, what it really comes down to is that people really need to understand that Carl Schmitt was the most important political philosopher of the 20th century because he saw all politics as friend and enemy. And if there is no clearer example of that, if he has not been, you know, I mean, if his, for all the things that he was accused of, if he has not been exonerated just for that,

I mean, how do you not look at people who are willing to label their political opponents as people who should be marched to the gallows and celebrate their political opponents being marched to the gallows and not look at, you know, and be willing to, I mean, it's it's all for an enemy at this point. Two real quick points, and then I'll see the Florida D. Just very two, very quick points. I want to go off of what you're saying. One, remember, we live in basically a post-religious society, post-religious society. So we're already being compared to the secular devil. Let's be honest. That famous Austrian painter is the secular devil.

He is Satan to a world without religion. So we're already being considered, we're already being compared to the devil, literally, the devil in a secular faith. The other point I want to raise, I'm going to give you a yes end in return for your yes end to me. When you were talking earlier about this will, you need to stamp out your opponents thoroughly or you're only biting time. You're not actually winning. You need to stamp your opponents out thoroughly. And I would say Francisco Franco is the exact example of that because now, I mean, he won. I mean, he clearly won and was in control of Spain for, what was it, the 32 years?

Was that, is that what, how long was he in control in Spain? 39 to 75. Okay. So what, so what, so, and look, look what's happening to him. Look, I mean, they, they're literally going to dig him up. They're going to dig him and his comrades up. Right. So my statement to you, Dee, excuse me, Pete, my statement to you is yes.

And not only are you absolutely correct, you have to stamp them out. Franco is proof of that because he was even mildly lenient and didn't just get rid of every single one that even had the whiff of Bolshevism on their coat. That's it. This is what you get. You have to stamp them out ruthlessly. A day I'll see the fort floor to you. I didn't mean to cut you off. Pete asked the question, who's teaching?

And I just looked it up just for, you know, I wonder. So I'm going to read presidents the AFT. This is from Wikipedia. This is not, you know, some sort of right-wing. Albert Shanker was president from 1974 till 1997. So he was president for 27 years. I know. That's when,

you know, in that interim, I went to public school in New York City. Okay. The next president of the EFT from 1994 to 1997 to 2004, was Sandra Feldman. She was the one responsible for the No Child Left Behind Act. for four years from 2004 to 2008, Edward J. McElroy.

And from 2008 to the present, Randy Whitengarten has been the president of the of AFT. And then in just the first sentence or first paragraph of their political, of the next subhead here on Wikipedia, political activities. Since 1980, AFT and the A&A have contributed nearly $57.4 million to federal campaigns, an amount that is about 30% higher than any single corporation or other union. About 95% of political donations from teachers have gone to Democrats. So this is, right?

So when you're, this is the whole myth of, you know, neutral, whatever that the conservatives do of like, well, everyone, if we just send all the kids to school and let them read, eventually they'll all read lock and then come to the classical liberal conclusion. Like, no, man. The entire political establishment, the teachers' union, the schools have been captured by your enemies and are using that high ground to rain down artillery on your head. And you're like, wow, that's really unfair. No. Like, at a bare minimum, you should destroy this union and then take it over and then do the opposite.

Well, you know, and or, you know, it's just end the government, bro. I mean, I mean, that's, that's, yeah, it's like, okay, so you just, you throw out platitudes and sure, why not? Oh, just end the union. Just end, just end public schooling. What's your plan to do that? Read rock hard. Okay, well, that's great. All right.

Yeah, well, I'll get right on that. You know, it's like, I mean, for people who don't, for people who say they hate democracy, they sure love democracy. If we can just get that, we just get enough people to believe this. We can do this and everything. No, I mean, you literally have to take these things over and you have to control them. Yeah, like what happens? You have to be in charge. Like what happens whenever you get to that magical moment, you end the government, then like the left responds with like a massive like malice mob, like 300,000 like farm people?

What are they going to do now? now like try to like prop like pamphlets to like quell that mob like seriously. Speak closer to my phone, Jose. Okay. Yeah, sorry. Yeah. No. Yeah, like, so this was just like delusional.

They seriously think that, um, yeah, if you were able to like get these policy like reforms implemented there's not going to be like some like leftist reaction. Like there's going to be like a huge like malice mob that's going to like throw down and like, yeah man um they need to like update their political software because they're um they're just living on a different planet well or or or the cartels like if the state of texas just said you know what we're we're going to dissolve herself gregg abbott is going to be the last government of texas and it's just going to be freedom land we're we're seceding and texas is going to call it So Fridonia and there's not going to be any government and it's just going to be

Encapa stand in Texas. Dude, the, the cartels would be in there by the next week and they would be in charge of everything. And people would be asking for it. Because people would people will need to be protected. Not everybody can protect themselves. Not every contrary to popular belief, not everybody in Texas owns guns. and even if they do, are they coming together to protect each other?

I love how, like, you know, as someone who used to be in a narco-capitalist, and I know that DE was a libertarian, Jose Nino, everything, we have this belief that, oh, if the government just dissolves, everyone's going to adopt our, you know, the government's going to fall apart. Everyone's going to adopt our ideology. Really? What do you do then? like okay

I'm I'm that middle-aged dude with kids now but you know when I was a libertarian I was in shape and you know all this other stuff but that doesn't mean anything when 30 guys and Mongol cuts show up at your house and be like I want your wife all your food

and everything you have yeah like there's nothing you can do when a biker gang with like you know 10 times your numbers shows up at your house but that happens now with a government oh wait Oh no, but that's what the government does. You're just describing the government.

Exactly. Yeah, I would rather be governed by, you know, Francisco Franco than, you know, the hell's angels. Sorry. Or, right. Yeah. Well, remember, it doesn't matter what kind of K-selected badass you are. You are. You're still just going to be another skull on the skull pile if you don't have enough friends.

It's just that simple. Right. And it's just that simple. Yeah. Live by the nap and you'll take a dirt nap. That's all out of the state. Good one. Yeah.

And to bring this back, to bring this back to, you know, race war in high school, I mean, this was, this was people with, now, okay, I guess that the argument could be made. Was this people with the best of intentions or was. this, you know, done on purpose, was it nefarious? I mean, that's the question. I mean, it really doesn't matter. I mean, it does matter, I guess, if you want to look at how things would be done in the future and things that you can recognize. But when it came down to it, how was this to be resolved?

I mean, to me, unleashed the cops. As soon as this started in the school, the cops go in and they just start blowing people away. I mean, that's it. Murray Rothford, before he died, you know, after the 92 riots said, endorsed David Duke and said, unleash the police. So, really? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's kind of, it's kind of difficult to like look at the way, the way this is handled. You know, then people be like, some people are going to be like,

well, that's just New York City, you know, People couldn't, he didn't even have guns in New York City. Oh, no. The book talks about how there were groups of people of citizens in neighborhoods who came out with guns and chased these people off. Who's doing that now? Why do you think all the people of New York City have been disarmed? Because they did this. Right.

Yeah, because that happened. And it didn't just happen New York. I know we have brought up. But you can look up, you know, you can do a Google search that's timebound, and you can look for school riot, you know, Seattle, school riot Boston, school riot Miami, school riot Houston, school riot, Oklahoma City, school riot Los Angeles. And in literally every city in America between 1960 and 1970, there was this same exact phenomenon happen, maybe to a greater or lesser extent. then, you know, Franklin K. Lane, we don't have the documentation the way we do here. But this happened everywhere. And I've made this point. But what did this? This was like 67 through 69 is basically the time period covered by the book. Okay. It goes into the 70s.

It goes up to 72. But most of the stuff later, it has to do with the union. Right. So the events of the book are late 60s, early 70s. The first major Supreme Court case that I can think of that was like, like besides Truman integrating the military was Shelley v. Kramer in 1948, which made restricted covenants illegal, right, which basically prevented public schools from being monoracial. So 20 years at the absolute minimum after this, 15 years after Brown v. Board, this is a failure. You get a total complete failure.

I mean, it's what, that that's one of those things where you where i bring it back to was it done on purpose because you kind you know these people want to keep power and if they keep the if they're on both sides of the dialectic where they have to they cause a problem but they're also the one that everybody's looking to to provide the solution well i mean that's i i absolutely i think harold saltsman literally just was a naive idiot. Yeah, I would side with that. I think that's the problem.

Albert Schenker, Albert Schenker was absolutely 100%. He knew what was happening and he didn't care. Yeah, I think the answer to the question is it's both. I think some people did have the best intentions and I think a lot of people had the worst. I think that's the problem. I don't think there is one answer.

I think the answer is both. I think the nakedly power hungry and amoral just utilize. wise the big hearted and that was it. And that's why the Bible tells you be as wise as serpents and gentle as doves. I think the answer is simply both if I'm being completely honest. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you and the word, the, another great thing about this book is it really just,

and I know we kept saying this, every guest kept saying this that I had on. It just shines a light. It could have been written today. You see it today. Nothing has changed. It's gotten worse because it's, it just seems like, the reason it's gotten worse is you now, even more so than then, then,

you, if you call attention to this, you get attacked. you're nobody who's none of these students are going to be punished they'll actually be heroes they'll politicians and movie stars will set up bail funds for them if they are arrested by the wrong DA but even those even those DAs and I know it's so boomer to bring up Soros DAs but I mean there is a you know the fact that those people in New York brought guns out back then and chaise and fought these people off, sure, you're going to do that today for survival's sake, but you're also probably going to pay consequences for it if you're in the wrong area. I mean, things are much worse. And the people who think that things have just gotten better and, you know,

there's less violence now. I mean, what metric you're looking at, I mean, it's, I not only look I look at the government as just basically a junta kind of regime at this point. Right. Yeah, exactly. Destroying their enemies and doing anything they can. And these people that are, these kids that are in the schools causing all, you know, causing all of this violence and roaming the streets as well. I mean, it's just, they're just apparatchiks. They're just a, you know, they're just puppets.

They're the weapons of the regime itself. So how is it not worse? At least you had people who were willing to fight back back then. And you read about that in the book. Who's fighting back now? I'm sure there are people that want to fight back. But they also understand the problems of they're dealing with financial hardships that are worse now than they were then.

And they're dealing with the fact that if they do, they're looking at being punished for it. Well, look at on a purely political level, right? And I've talked about this endlessly and I'll bang on them up my soapbox one more time. When you've been forced to move out of the city into the suburbs where there is no place to have a political meeting, there is no, you know, there's no way to organize. there's no way to, how can you? Can, you know, in the old neighborhood, right? The white neighborhood that was displaced, you could gather a thousand people in, what, an hour?

Mm-hmm. Easily? Yeah, in Philly, yeah, absolutely. Or in this part of New York City. Now it takes an hour to get 50 people. And your power is just politically, you know, because of the distances, because of just the space of where you're,

you're forced to live, your political power is vastly diminished. Well, Chuck Schumer and Chuck Schumer and his Gallum aOC are going to, we'll take you out. Right. And so this idea that, that you're going to be able to organize in South Defense, like, no, no, it's been designed from top to bottom from physically to more, you know, the moral framework set by people like Albert Shanker and Randy Weing, It's been set to keep working class white people from political self-actualization.

That is the whole point of this system because everything is, you know, 1933. Like, you know, Randy White and Garden, Albert Shanker, Victoria Newland, you know, Anthony Blinken, Alejandro Majorcas, all of these people, like, they like hear Cossacks in their sleep. They look at Pete and they go, oh my God, it's an Iberian slav. He hates us from two different directions. Like, you know, they just, they don't even, it's way in back of the lizard brain. They just are, and they'll do anything that they can to keep you from talking. They'll ban you from PayPal. They'll ban you, they'll get you fired from your job.

They'll do whatever they can to just say something like, I don't know, I think that communists are bad and they kill a lot of people and we shouldn't let them have any power. Because because of what they've done, it's not like, oh, theoretically they might kill a bunch of people. No, like, no, they've killed tens of millions of people. Right. Well, it goes back to my point earlier about projection. It's like they're projecting and look, but as absolutely broken and psychotic as it is, it still leads to victory because they're ready. they're ready and they're not only are they ready they're already in the fight they're not ready for the fight they're actively fighting and everybody else is just waiting to grill well i think it's time

to wrap this up and i'm just going to give each one of you uh you know a chance to say whatever you want about it and um you know go off and um you know i mean i'm sure you know you two doesn't work anymore for me anyway. So let's see if we can get it kicked off of Spotify or something. So Jose Godd first. Oh, I mean, I think that this is a very eye-opening read that you will never find in any legacy educational institution, whether it's public or private. And like one of like the first steps in my opinion for any person to be like truly, truly, dialed in politically is to categorically reject the mythos surrounding the civil rights revolution. And this is one book that will completely disabuse you of the notion that the civil rights revolution

was actually like a good thing in that force integration was a good idea. That's like one of like the foundational, like educational steps that if you're going to take, because I do think that some people in this movement are too much in their head with like literature and don't have like practical knowledge, but if you're going to get like good, like intellectual, like a good intellectual framework, you need to read this book

and similar stuff regarding the civil rights revolution because it is one of like the most pernicious myths being pushed by the ruling class these days. And it should serve as like a wake-up call that a lot of this stuff is not like well-intentioned. It's very much part of a plot to destroy the historic American nation and replace it with this like Moss, icely, canteena type of political order that's just like totally, just like totally depraved

and everything and goes against what this country was supposedly founded on. But yeah, I do believe that there's a lot to be learned here, both like the micro and macro level, because I think a lot of these political principles tend to carry over at all levels of government and it does show to like the importance of people getting their own like political backyard in order from like the public schools and all that because um there is this very holier than now mindset among the right especially on those that are like very small government and libertarian that you shouldn't be getting involved the government and all that it's like no you need these people on the inside because when you have people on the inside that are like

detailing the dysfunction your message is going to it's going to get much more credible. And you can actually have, like, whistleblowers that can, like, undermine the system from within. So that's another very important thing I was able to take away from this as well. It's AE. I'm completely agree with Jose's summary. I, each guy should check out his work. I think it's Big Lee politics, isn't it, Jose?

Yep. Big Lee again, Substack. Yep. And, of course, subscribe to Pete Substack. But, like, this book, you know, there's a lot here that we touched on. We touched on things like the bell curve or, you know, school stuff.

The important thing that this book does better than anything is it provides a source for like, no, this actually happened. And it gives all the supporting evidence you need for all the other stuff. If you're having someone who's having a hard time dealing with, say, race realism or the JQ or whatever, you can show them this book and be like, like, look, here's how this all fits together. And it's that central puzzle piece that supports all these other arguments that need to be made so that, you know, most conservative libertarians, you just want to grill and want to go to church and

want to go to their job and not pay too much taxes and then, you know, come home and have a couple beers. They're good people. And their biggest problem is their sources of information are bad. That's why millions of people got, you know, conned into taking the jabs. That's why millions of people thought lockdowns were okay. They didn't hear all the stuff Pete or Tom Woods or anyone else was talking about back in early 2020. And now they're like, wow, this is really bad and everyone's having heart attacks.

Well, of course it was bad. You just weren't listening to Pete in 2020 going, man, this is some BS. Right. They need the better sources of information like Jose's substack and Jose's website at Big League Politics. And this gives them that kind of key. stone, I think, to build a better information superstructure for themselves that's more honest. And that's what all I've ever tried to do is kind of tell people the truth and chip away at that edifice of lies that they've been sold.

And this book is a wonderful, wonderful hammer towards that end. Charles? Yeah, these are tough facts to follow. I wanted you to go first, Jose, because you were kind of laid back. through a lot of it, but man, you brought the fire. I don't even know how to follow that act. I kind of regret you going first because you're an impossible act to follow. And Dee, just tying it up so nicely. I'm just going to do the best I can with what I got without, I'm going to try not to belabor any points and repeat anybody else too much. Number one, I'm going to say this book is

extremely worth reading because of its honesty. I think it's a rare glimpse at something through a very honest lens. Maybe that's, maybe it's a childlike honesty. Maybe Saltham's honest because because he didn't know what he was actually saying with a lot of it, but I couldn't care less, frankly. I just like that it's honest. And in a world of lies, this shines through more than almost anything I've read in my life. And I say that with the utmost sincerity. Another thing, a phrase that I'm fond of using D&I, I've been friends for years.

He knows this phrase from me. I'll prove my honesty with my consistency. And I think the work here, this isn't my work, but I think its honesty is proven with the consistently accurate portrayal that it's made. Because as I said in my, in my discussion with you before, Pete, we've known this as a failure since 1971, arguably since 1969. And we just keep peddling the lie. We keep peddling the lie. And I think the beauty of this book, another reason it should be read, is because we can see how long the lie has been going and that it is a lie. And we can see where it came from, where it originated, and we can see that we're still perpetuating it

today, and we can see that we're still throwing good money after bad, if you'll forgive that tired phrase, but we are. And I think another important reason that this book should be read is it shows good-hearted people, kind-hearted people, people that do have the right attitude, and do want to help their fellow man, their fellow citizen. You can be manipulated. There are bad actors, And just because you have a good heart, just because you just want to grill, just because you want to see every child succeed, regardless of race, creed, or color, doesn't mean there isn't some scumb bag that isn't going to take that and use that as a cudgel to beat his political foes. Understand that you can be manipulated. And this walks you through how that happens. And the last reason I'll give to say why I think this book should be read is kind of riffing slightly off of Jose's point.

And that is that it opens people's eyes to the rot. I have been ranting about immigration since I came of age about 1617, living with a lot of it in Camden, New Jersey, Pensacca, New Jersey, all that stuff where I grew up. but it really co-solidified for me working for immigration. Now, the reason I'm bringing up immigration at this juncture is simply to say, to Jose's point, it's more meaningful when somebody is in a situation as boots on the ground and can tell the general public what he sees. It's more meaningful when he can show the systemic rot from within. And I would say if I need to just tie it up very clearly, TLDR, it shows people the rot.

Like COVID showed people the rot. This shows people the rot. And I think it's important to address Jose's point about we need people in these organizations to do things like this. Yes, maybe one person won't change everything. In fact, it's likely one person won't change anything. But what it does is it shows the rot. It shows people, TLDR, these institutions are not your friend. They will be manipulated to wield power over you.

Be aware of that and be wary of them. Well, thank you, gentlemen. I just wanted to point out that the hardcover for this, you're not going to be able to find a hardcover under $500. The one on Amazon right now, the person's asking $1,500 for it. But if you go on eBay and search, you may get lucky. And then when you do find that lucky copy on eBay, search that person's other books. And there is some gold in there that you will,

a lot of books of a lot of books there that you're not going to be able to find for less than a thousand dollars because they're out of print and they're rare and somebody has done a job of you know just some

some some some if people understand what the term samiz dot means from the the Cold War there might be some samas dot additions that you could find of things that people don't want you to read anymore.

So go ahead and do that. But gentlemen, I want to thank you very much. Thank you for your episodes during the actual reading. And thank you for doing this. And I hope people will get something out of this conversation. Take care. Thank you for having me. Thank you.

Thank you very much. Thank you. Doing it. Thank you.