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Episode Date: August 18, 2026

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I guess we're going. What's going on, man? I'm chilling. How are you? Good. Y'all wrapped up. You're all sick and shit. What are you drinking?

This is a custom-made beverage. Check this out. This, can you see the color of it? Yeah. It's called Lean. You ever heard of this stuff? Get that out of here. No, I'm not kidding.

That is not liquid. That is not liquid codeine and purple drinks. It was, it is. It's liquid coating in a sprite. They don't make it anymore, so it's the old stuff. My grandma had some. Is that how sick you are? No, I'm just an addict.

Oh, you're a, yeah, you're a degenerate. You know, that doesn't detract from the whole Sicilian and Italian theories about, you know. Hey, considering what we're talking about today. Well, in the process. of the creation of the stuff for this episode, I did change the topic only slightly because I wanted to make a triangle of thoughts. I'm just going to be honest with you, Pete,

I don't have a thesis here. I just wanted to tell you three different stories that all have something to do with one another because I don't really think a lot of people know this. So here's my backstory. The real brothers out there will recognize the name Dr. Umar. Dr. Umar is a black supremacist, pan-Africanist,

um, beloved in the black community in the United States. He is a, I mean, philosopher would be one word to describe the man. Um, though I disagree with him fundamentally in many ways. I also find him a fascinating person to listen to because his, his sort of way of thinking, um, It has an intellectual lineage that I'm not exactly going to connect for you all here, but it's a lineage of thought that made me go, well, this guy, you know, he's not just making shit up. A lot of the things that he says have grounding and, I mean, everything from like Pan-African theory to like European continental theory. Like the guy knows what he's talking about, though I do disagree with some of his conclusions.

Let me give you one instance of where I disagree with Dr. Umar. Dr. Umar believes Africans are indigenous to every continent in the world prior to any other type or race of human being. I disagree with this fundamentally scientifically. The earliest skeletons that we have of, I think it's homo something or ever. It's homo habilis, homo habilis, an ancestor of human beings, something you certainly wouldn't really even call human. and yet something which develops into us as human beings. Earliest known skeleton of this found is in China. It's got facial features that don't look like any type of human being at all.

You would never call this a human being, and so I would step away from the possibility of saying that something like that should be called an African. However, Dr. Umar believes further that Africans are also indigenous to the North and South American continents. I disagree with this fundamentally as well. Those are all basically Asiatic peoples over 30,000 years of inhabitation in the United States. They climatize and change. They're not really African peoples either. So while I disagree with him fundamentally, there's also some areas where I

certainly do agree with him. I think he's got a good case that prior to the inhabitation of the crow magnin, the early European human, the Neanderthal probably did more likely resemble the African races than it would have acclimatized early European. So like in some areas I agree with them, some areas I disagree with him. Now, this all goes to an end. The guy's thought processes came from somewhere. I wanted to talk about theosophy a little bit

because I spent about two weeks reading the secret doctrine by Madam Blavatsky, Helena Blavatsky. I didn't read the whole thing. It's 1,200 pages all said and done. I do have the entire 1,200 page soft cover book, which I think is the only one purchasable on Amazon that I got for a really inexpensive price, only $25.

So I'm continuing to read through it. And the thing about human anthropology really fascinates me in Blavatsky in the way that she formulates the idea of the continents and the root races and so on and so forth. I'm hearing Dr. Umar talk about basically these exact same concepts, though he uses his own sort of language to discuss them. And he aligns with what a lot of theosophists actually did align with, which was, for instance, Charles, can you, before we do that, can you explain what theosophy is? Theosophy is a system of scientific thought, which one could describe as developing out of a

reaction to Darwinism. Helena Blavatsky, and there were some people earlier than her who put this theory together. To them, Darwinism was Marxist. To them, Darwinism was a Semitic theory. And they wanted to create a theory that was indigenously European. And so what you get out of it is a sort of a combination of Tibetan Buddhism, Hinduism, and pan-European indigenous thought. And basically it says that

its theory of evolution is that the planet evolves at the same time that the human evolves and that humans have gone through a varying number of cycles in history, each cycle based around the concept of a root race of people. So you've heard the term hyperboreans,

the Nazis used the term hyperboreans. The Nazis had one interpretation of Blavatsky's work, which put the Teutonic man at the top of the spiritual evolutionary order. The Pan-African blacks have kind of the other side of the theory, but it's a theory that was developed really before any Pan-African blacks got their hands on it. Carl Linnaeus's teacher, for instance, the man who came up with, I guess, the science of taxonomy, you could say. his teacher actually believed that because humans originated out of Africa, Adam and Eve were black, and because of that, God was black. So you find these very early interpretations of theosophy that lead you to a, well, I guess, really a ripe breeding ground for pan-African black supremacy. And this rises up in the United States around the First World War. And there's a lot of reasons for that.

and Jim Crow is a big reason for that. It's a big reaction to Jim Crow. So I want to take you into the first sort of storyline. We've got the Theosophy out of the way. There are disparate influences. You can see some of it in what Farrakhan talks about. You see a lot of it in what this Dr. Umar guy talks about, but it's something you kind of got to know more about Theosophy to pick and choose. So I'm just sprinkling that out in the forefront. There is some theosophical influence in here. but there's a lot of influence in an area that I don't think anybody expects, and that's what I want to get into. I want to talk firstly about the lynching of a man named Cleo Wright. In 1942, in a small Missouri town of Sykston, a black man was snatched out of his jail cell by a mob of around 600 whites who were heading to church when they decided to join an already existing lynching party.

26-year-old Cotton Mill Hand, Cleo Wright, had been charged accurately or not with an attempted rape and brutal slashing of Mrs. Dillard Sturgeon, a sergeant husband, a white woman with a sergeant husband who was away on a California military base. Reportedly, while he was dying of bullet wounds at the time of his lynching, Wright was secured into an automobile by his feet and dragged around the streets of the town. determined to make a lasting impression on Sykston's 1,000 black residents, the driver of the car stopped momentarily at the front of each of the six churches in the Negro quarter, where services were in progress. He then drove along the Mississippi Railroad tracks, where the Negro was cut loose from the car. The crowd looked on for several minutes,

and an elderly man in overalls walked up to him, poured gasoline all over him, and lit him on fire. This occurrence is something that happens around seven or so weeks after the bombing at Pearl Harbor. At a time when Americans' wartime patriotism is basically at a fever pitch, this is possibly one of the worst examples of a transgression in which a black man might have been charged in this situation and attempted rape of a white woman and her husband being unable to defend her because he's serving the country. it certainly is an action which could have provoked lynching. So at this time, the general treatment, as you know, of African Americans during the war, I mean, this is outlined in the Pittsburgh Courier, a popular black publication at the time, was not good. In March, local prosecutor, David E. Blanton announced a grand jury's decision that there would be no indictments in the Cleo-right case.

Blenton had positively identified several of the lynching suspects, but the Scott County grand jury and himself had suffered injuries while attempting to stop the lynching. He still did not press any charges for any other people involved. There was a article in the courier that responded to the tragedy with a follow-up editorial entitled, Remember Pearl Harbor and Sykston, too. The FBI's subsequent investigation of the right lynching revealed that Missouri blacks had been among themselves, not hard to believe, but also that there was a strong pro-Japanese proclivity that flourished throughout black communities. This was a fact that was also documented in St. Louis and in Kansas City, the sites of two organizations that we're going to talk about in just a bit. A pro-Japanese pashant on part of Missouri blacks was characteristic of African-American thought at the time of the era. There was an unfolding, almost messianic sentiment that was accompanied with the hard times experienced in Missouri by the black community during the Great Depression. And there was also a populist-based admiration for Japan that dated all the way back to the Russo-Japanese War.

And we'll talk about why later. In Boothiel, the Sykeston lynching, Boothel is another town in Missouri, the Sykeston lynching served as a stimulus. By late May, the Cotton Choppers in Scott, Pemisket, and Charleston County all struck for higher wages, and they succeeded. Equally disturbing to federal officials

was the fact that Japanese war propaganda had begun publicizing lynching incidents, including the one at Sykeston, proclaiming that they represented the true meaning of American democracy. There was an element of truth to the claim, of course. In May, a federal grand jury convened for the first time ever in a lynching case, and it failed to bring any indictments to any of the Sykston residents.

Unable to end the practice of lynching in the United States, U.S. authorities instead continued to investigate the political disquietness among black Missourians and other black dissenters across the country. U.S. attorney Harry Blanton, who was a native of Sykeston, and his elder brother was the Scott County prosecuting attorney David Blanton. They came to assume a prominent role in the investigation of these pro-Japanese sentiments in the St. Louis and East St. Louis region. And as a result, a two-count indictment was filed in East St. Louis in early 1943

against David Irwin and General Lee Butler, who were leaders, black leaders of a pro-Japan organization. organization known as the Pacific Movement of the Eastern World, a presumed but unidentified Japanese government agent who was known as John Doe and the nonprofit corporation itself turned out that a Japanese agent who created it and there was pretty clear evidence it was for propaganda purposes. Another U.S. attorney advised the FBI that including the John Doe and the indictment, it was also possible to bring the Japanese control. of the group entirely into question.

And among other claims, the indictment points out that among the black population in the United States, a movement was spreading Japanese propaganda to promote the idea that Japan was the champion of all colored races. According to that FBI report, the movement was undertaken by the instigation of the Black Dragon Society in Japan, which was working through a man

named Sadakata Takahashi, who was a retired major in the Japanese Imperial Army. At the time of the indictment was handed down, Takahashi, who was an apparently Japanese government operative, though he wasn't from Japan. It was admitted that he was a member of this society. He had served three years in a federal prison for proselytizing among African Americans in Detroit, and by 1943, he had already sewn the seeds for what was being called the Afro-Nipan Solidus. solidarity movement, which you'd sewn in the 30s in a number of ways. I would like to go

and talk about the Black Dragon Society and where it comes from, but do you have any questions? No. This gets weird. The Meiji Restoration, we got to go all the way back to 1868, ended 250

years of feudal isolationism, during which Japan experienced a massive resurgence. of ultra-nationalism as well as some of its greatest innovations. Most of the great companies in Japanese history begin before the Meiji period. Their origins, the families who founded great companies as well. There were many resentful samurai, including one Mitsuru Toyama,

who formed a secret organization called the Koyosha to fomount counter-revolutionary sentiments. When the Meiji restoration happened, a lot of the samurai were rebellions. against their land being taken, their rights and honor being taken. And so they themselves became reactionaries and started a counter movement. Most of the rebellions did fail, and many of the samurai were defeated and marginalized, but from the ruins, Toyama and other samurai formed a new organization in 1881, and they called it Genyosha, which means the dark ocean. It stylized itself as a patriotic fraternity movement. Toyama did not necessarily want to overthrow the

government any longer, as he did in his earlier days, he wanted to take control of it. And so Ganyosha pledged undying loyalty to the emperor. And the group believed that Japan had a divine mission to bring all of Asia under its sway. And woes betide anybody who got in the way of that. The dark ocean name wasn't chosen at random. It referred to the strait that separates Japan from Korea. It's nearest foothold in the Asian landmass. Toiyama was Ganyosha's mastermind. He was a pragmatist, but he was also a fanatic. He brokered an alliance with Yakuza gangsters, helped to operate gambling, prostitution, smuggling rings, and provided untraceable loads of cash to the imperial government. A Yakuza thug could be paid to do things a samurai would find beneath his dignity. And so they were more like gangsters

than samurai at this point. And in 1889, Ganyosha carried out its first political act, a bombing that was aimed at the foreign minister, Okuma Shengenboto. He did not like treaties that were signed that opened the country up economically. He felt that it was

taking advantage of the working class people. The minister survived, however the point was made, the bombing happened, and Ganyosha was no longer to be ignored. But just five years later in 1894, Toyoma eventually gets

what he wants, war with Japan. There's a Sino-Japanese war that ends in complete triumph for Tokyo. Victory was aided by intelligence from Ganyosha agents all across. So at this point, Ganyosha has settled

itself as an influential arm in the imperial government. Basically, it's kind of like the CIA. It was invented to take over clandestine operations, cooperation with Yakuza, assassination, the boss Uchida, one of the bosses, appreciated the gangsters' growing chain of brothels.

And so they started using that and pushing opium as a way to make money. So this is the outline to where the Black Dragon organization originally comes from. But it doesn't really get going until the Russo-Japanese War breaks out. So they take a new name, the Black Dragon Society, out of the Black Ocean, this new organization comes out. And as you know, the Russo-Japanese War was fought in Manchuria. The Black Dragon, spies, and saboteurs were playing an active part. And as you also most likely know, I think we actually covered this when we talked about the Lenin episode. The Japanese Imperial Navy neutralizes two-thirds of the entire Russian fleet and forces them to surrender.

In the battle of – I can't get the name of it, but I'll find the name of it later. It's a giant battle, one of the most major battles in the war. And so the battle ends up winning decisive victory in Japan. Now it's undefeated in the land and the sea during the two-year war. And more importantly, that was the first time in modern history that a colored nation defeated one of the foremost European powers. And so it sends shockwaves all across Europe, celebrations all across Asia and Africa. and as Japan looks outward to feed its growing industrial mining population, the European powers, and particularly those with colonial possessions in Asia,

started feeling the imminent threat of a new player in the chess game for China. And a lot of Europeans who controlled foreign legislations at major Chinese ports started blockading Japanese goods from coming in. One German newspaper wrote that the Russian disaster was a grave blow to the entire white world. and quote, all of those who believe in the great commercial and civilizing mission of the white race throughout the world. So very early, you have this contrast between white and everybody else. The Japanese intelligence officer in Sweden, Motojiro Akashi ends up distributing money to Russian revolutionaries and dissident gangsters, nationalists. And yes, our friend Lenin is one of the people who receives money from this organization.

in doing so, Akashi helps to basically spark the Russian Revolution of 1905. Akashi was not a black dragon. However, it's impossible to know whether or not he was a black dragon, but he worked very closely with Emperor Tojo. We do know that the black dragons had a lot of influence because most of Tokyo's military intelligence was going through the black dragons. and the black dragon Kenji Doiara rose to power and became a general in the Imperial Army. And he was basically the right-hand man of the future military strongman Hideki Tojo.

So throughout three decades, basically, Japan becomes this torchbearer for, I guess you could say a torchbearer for the non-white races of the world. started to be a hope that Japan was going to be that power that emancipates the rest of the world from the white world, takes down the colonial nations. And in particular, at this point, I'm going to talk about our first subject. This is going to be, I'm going to do this a little bit like the way James Burnham does, the book where he talks about all the Italians, which is going to talk about various figures and what they have to do with this here. We're going to talk about W.E.B. Dubois.

W.E.B. Dubois, famous African emancipator, pan-Africanist. I think he was a back-to-Africa guy, but I'm not 100% sure about that one. But basically, everybody knows who Dubois is. You've learned about him in school as a hero. As a hero. So W.B. Dubois. And maybe you'll still think he's a hero after. High school in New York named after him.

Yeah. I'm sure it's a very great place to go to school. Oh, yeah. That's definitely a place you want to go. Yeah. Demographics are definitely destiny there. I don't think there's one, to be fair, I don't think there's one public school in the entire city of New York that you'd want to go to. It doesn't matter what neighbor. Stuyvesant?

Brooklyn said? Basically, white hegemony in the entire world, in the 19, I would say in the 19, 10s and 20s is the topic of discussion for the non-white peoples. In the essay, the African Roots of War, W.E.B. Dubois discusses the role that he envisions in Japan ending white hegemony. He believed that Japan's rejection of the color bar is what threatened white dominance, and there were attempts to convince Japan in joining into suppressing other non-white peoples. But Dubois felt that Japan was resistance to those efforts. and that the possibility of a race war with non-white peoples, including African-Americans and Asians, would overpower the white race.

He also saw that Japan had no choice but to join the non-white peoples of the world. Despite being a world power, he viewed Japan as basically being in a vulnerable position navigating through other predatory white nations. And so Dubois discusses that there's a possibility of driving Japan and the United States towards war and that they should work on doing that. and including discriminatory laws, exclusion of Japanese and Chinese immigrants. He didn't like those things. He did believe that there were certain scenarios where a reordering of racial power could be done by the Japanese. Dubois was writing frequently for a newspaper I mentioned earlier, the Pittsburgh Courier. He was impressed when he went to Japan on a two-week trip by the fact that the country was run by and for colored people.

going forward briefly you will see this a lot you will see black people who go to Japan a lot and say they feel so ingratiated by them they love them I mean you'll see this a lot actually Dr. Umar brings this up

in one of his discussions of which I was referencing earlier talks about how much he loved Japan came back from Japan he enjoyed that it was run by colored people you could tell it was run by colored people they didn't feel like he judged them the way when he goes to Europe

it's very interesting that sentiment still exists today all the way back from WEP Dubois. There were basically 12 million black people in America, and Japan wanted to make them a symbol of the Japanese recognition of a shared brotherhood, shared suffering, and a shared destiny. Dubois felt that for the first time in his life, he was in a place where white people did not control everything. He was ecstatic about the fact that Japan was ruled by the Japanese

and that even English and Americans recognized and respected that. Dubois promised to extend the hand of friendship to Asia, and he conveyed that, well, blacks in the United States did face prejudice. They had sympathy, and they had the appreciation that all of Asia was given, and that Asia was a sign of hope for the African community in the United States. Dubois was slightly perplexed by Japan's decision to join the tripartite pact with Germany and Italy, despite Hitler's beliefs, racist beliefs. and the fact that the access powers despise Japan. There's a lot of communications that show it was a tenuous relationship at best. Dubois did believe that the Japanese alliance was a matter of self-defense due to the predatory nature of England. And so he did believe that the racist attitudes of the Western powers had driven Japan into the arms of Hitler.

And so Dubois was well informed about the Japanese position. He had a conversation with Yoshuki Matsuoka, who was the leader of a Japanese delegation at the time. He characterized him as a quiet man and a defender of the rights of all colored people. Dubois had also expressed support for Japan, stating that he believes in Asia for Asiatics, and that Japan was the best agent in achieving that goal. Despite allegations that he was receiving money from the Japanese government, Dubois denied ever receiving any money, and he maintained his support for the country still. He blamed the war not on Japan.

This is World War II. not on Japan not on France sorry he blamed it on France England America Germany Italy and all those white nations quote which for a hundred years

or more had blood had by blood and raping forced their rule upon the colored nations Tobot claimed that Japan was the victim of a subtle attack and that Americans and Europeans proceeded to make it difficult if not

impossible for Japan to buy raw materials and raise the price of such items as cotton and iron until Japan was forced into annexing northern China. Tubois solidifies his views when he does go to Japan. He praises the developments and accomplishments of the Japanese authorities of Manchuoco, and he notices the absence of racial hierarchy that was characteristic of European colonization. However, support for Ethiopia, which was also happening at the time, because they were in undefeated African power, It was not necessarily maintained for long, and Dubois referred to the site of the Russo-Japanese War as a historic ground where Japan made Europe surrender to Asia. So there's a competition going on between Ethiopia and Japan as the two non-white powers who have resisted white colonial rule.

So despite all the violence of the coup of 1936, the imperial coup of 1936, Dubois saw it as, an unavoidable part of the overthrow of capitalism. He considered the Imperial Army to have played a major role in turning Manchuria into a rich industrial colony and developing industrial capitalism in a growing Japanese empire. And finally, about two months before Pearl Harbor in his essay as the Crow flies, his column for the New York Amsterdam Star News, Dubois denies that the control of Asia by Asians could have more frightful results than the exploitation by Europe. that was already happening, suggested that England and America get out of Asia and clean up their own mess in the Western world. And unlike Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Dubois did not see Pearl Harbor as a day of infany, but a day of revolutionary occurrence. From his perspective, Japan's attack put a

new face on the war. Race and race relations, he wrote, quote, moved to a foremost place in the reasons for the conflict. He contended that, although the British would like to have tabled the issue of race, and colonization until the end of the war. Japan's actions forced the question of what must be done with India to the forefront. So you can see Japan is really being viewed as an emancipatory force here. I want to talk about our second friend. Can I? So he was talking about a color revolution against the white world?

Yes, quite literally. Would the, what side would Dubois put the Saturday people on? I don't know what the Saturday people are. Tiny hat people. Oh, that's a new one. That doesn't come around until later. The thing is, and actually we'll talk about this, the Jew is contrasted with the Muslim,

but that comes about later. in another friend of ours who we will discuss. They certainly didn't see Jews as allies. This is definitely colorist in the sense that if the skin don't work, there's no alliance to be had. But it's a good question. Our next friend has had more vociferous opinions about the Jews. After World War I, the Black Dragons, you'll remember them,

saw America as Japan's number one enemy. They also saw racism as America's Achilles heel. And that was actually spoken about by a black dragon agent named U. Ucichi Hakita. He made contact in New York with many black nationalists, and he advocated political and economic autonomy for African Americans. Hakita believed that racial discrimination made African Americans open to influence and also to being influential.

Black Dragon propaganda claimed that Japan was going to be the great champion of all the colored people against white oppression, and that theme continues to be exploited with some success by other black agents, especially one operative who appears in the city of Chicago in 1932. That man's name is Colonel Sadakata Takahashi, you might remember. He'd earlier emigrated to Canada under the name Nakanakune, and then he disappeared in Tacoma, Washington in 1926, resurfaces in Chicago and Detroit. He was an illegal immigrant.

He never had papers in the United States. He's frequently dodging immigration services running away from the FBI. You said Tacoma, Washington? Yeah. Okay, go on. Okay. Is that a thing on your show? Oh, no, Tacoma, Washington.

I have theories about a couple things. I have a theory about that city. I would like to hear this theory about that. I would like to hear this theory about that. So in those cities, Detroit, Tacoma, Chicago, he ends up cultivating black separatist organizations, the most famous of which is the Universal Negro Improvement Association, Marcus Carvey. We'll talk about Marcus Carvey in a bit. And this is exciting, our upcoming friend, the new nation of Islam.

So the little colonel, that was Takahashi's nickname, he forms a close friendship with Elijah Muhammad. And he was actually the guiding hand behind two other organizations, which we'll talk a lot about the Society for the Development of Iran. I don't talk as much about that. It's not that interesting. And the Pacific Movement for the Eastern World was much more interesting. There are some lukewarm accusations that were thrown out, but W.B. Dubois never actually faced an official sanction. or much official backlash for his views, very underground really at the time. We know a lot more about him now.

However, there were others that were not so lucky. And in 1934 and then again in 1942, groups of pro-Japanese black nationalists were rounded up in a highly publicized FBI raid scheme. And they were interrogated about their loyalty. One of those people who was pulled in by the FBI was Elijah Muhammad, famed leader of the nation of Islam, which was established in 1930. It's a political-religious organization. I think people are probably familiar with the nation of Islam when you think about Muhammad Ali and other, a lot of convicts adopted it. Still today, just kind of the black community implicitly adopts a lot of the influential ideas from Elijah Muhammad.

Right. I mean, Malcolm X was hooked up with Elijah Muhammad, and they had a famous breakup. Yeah, a falling out. Yeah, sure. Yeah, the whole organization did. Actually, what's funny is Malcolm X is probably one of the very few in this era. Actually, Martin Luther King as well, who I think Martin Luther King's influences were possibly communist, but also not Japanese at all. And Malcolm X doesn't seem to have any Japanese influences either.

So it's really a third. This is kind of a pun. A third way of black nationalism. I guess I wouldn't call I'm okay a black nationalist, but that sort of movement, the set of movements in the civil rights movement. So Elijah Muhammad gets rounded up along with 125 other blacks who were arrested in the United States

for resisting the draft and also encouraging seditious behavior. 20 or so of these persons were held on more serious charges. One of them was Elijah Muhammad. At the time, it was called the Allah Temple of Islam. The arrests brought to light a distinct and strong pro-Japanese sentiment among African-Americans, as I was talking about earlier. This is really what breaks it all open. Furthermore, it exposes to the authorities a growing friendship and philosophical exchange between Elijah Muhammad and Sada-Kata-Takha-Hashi. Before Muhammad's disappearance, he releases a newspaper called The Final Call in four editions.

The first of these editions reveals that Elijah Muhammad's understanding of an Asia. I think this will shock a lot of people. I don't know if they know this, but he has a concept of the Asiatic identity at the center of the teachings of the nation of Islam. He describes Africans as primitive, not Muslim, pagan. He describes them as non-civilized. And he describes this Asiatic person, which you also believe, was an indigenous African person who was a Muslim.

To him, asiatics were Muslims, and he calls other nations of Asia protectors. He effectively binds his African identity with the Asian one. In fact, he goes so far as to say, we have consolidated Asia

behind us, and we fear nothing. Speaking on the nation of Islam, he writes, they give it such names as cult or voodoo. They say it is a sacrifice ritual and that it kills its followers. Interestingly enough, one of the first killings done by the nation of Islam was framed as a human sacrifice by the killer. So that's why he says that. There's a good Steve Saler article about that, actually.

I'd have to give you the link to that. So basically he says they were never, there was the Asians never owned us as slaves. Asians are Muslims. They go out beyond the east. even into Europe, these Asian peoples. The Bushman is what he refers to as that African pagan, uncivilized, refers him to as the Bushman, lives in a part of Africa, which is called the jungles of East Asia by all Muslims. So he actually literally believes Africa is a part of East Asia.

There's no separation between the continents. This teaching of Africa, where Africa is separate, a jungle land, it was done, buy whites to make Africans think that they were savages who were brought here. And that wasn't the case. He believed Africans were indigenous to the Americas. Some believe they were indigenous to Africa, and they called them Moors. And there's kind of a blending of those two things. But different groups believe that, and I'll get into that.

Basically, for Muhammad, Africa was East Asia. No separation at all. It was an extension of Asia. He said blacks were Asiatics. Asiatics were Muslims. In 1939, the FBI arrests Takahashi one more time. And this time it was because he was an influential presence and doing many speeches in the nation of Islam headquarters. Takahashi was deported. He eventually moved to Canada. And when he tried to return, he was charged while attempting to bribe an immigration officer and for illegal entry.

During the FBI raid, again, there was another FBI raid. Elijah Muhammad, who was brought in to testify, claimed that he and Takahashi worked together and that Takahashi approved of his religious teachings. So you'd think that's something. Maybe there's some influence there. I could give you one further. Takahashi's wife was a woman named Pearl Sherrod, African-American woman. She was the leader of the Detroit-based, the development of our own organization.

This organization was one of the organizations that the Black Dragon Society lends patronage. to. It was an internationally minded organization in scope that was inspired by an internationalist message spread by the Bolshevist movement. Sherrod actively sought to create far-reaching political alliances

all across the globe, particularly in Asia, and she echoes Elijah Muhammad's belief that blacks were a lost, found nation of Asia. So the society for the development of our own was established by Takahashi and was also

endorsed by Wallace Fard, the creator of the nation of Islam, who's viewed as the reincarnation of Muhammad. Originally, a member of the nation of Islam, Sharrad ends up breaking off. This is Takahashi's wife, breaks out of that group, starts her own group after finding the patriarchy and religious syncretism too much to bear. So she creates her own group. Takahashi's unusually progressive views end up giving sort of a rare space for also women's activism. He has significant influence in some of the organizational roles being run by women. He had reservations of male leadership at the Society for the Development of Our Own,

and Sherrod, his wife, and they were married, and there was much debate on whether it was a union of love, or it was a power coupling between two very influential figures. She creates this movement before they get married, and so she's in there. She's been in there. So upon her husband's deportation, she ends up taking de facto power over that organization and steers it towards a black feminist-oriented agenda.

The Detroit Tribune Independent ends up publishing pretty harsh criticism of the United States government. That's their newspaper. And so a lot of them get pulled in by the FBI as well. So Sherrod saw the Afro-Asian alliance as the primary vehicle for black liberation. It mimics Muhammad. It mimics what Garvey is going to say, who I'm going to talk about next. It mimics what W.B. Dubois has said,

this is all part of the same movement where Japan was once remembered as a liberating force for all of these people. Before I get to our friend Marcus Garvey, anything you want to say? It's just, you know, one of those things where if you spend enough time online and you see all the we was stuff, you know, whenever you hear, oh, Africa, you know, Africa in Japan or, you know, just connected. It's just such we was stuff, you know. There's a lot of influence at this time in trying to, I mean, these, they are tired of. being under the thumb of the white man in the country. I mean that the black people at this time

because of the fact that Japan really does step into the forefront, the black leaders are like, okay. So it's kind of like how when the Civil War started, a lot of the native tribes threw in with the South because they figured the South probably wasn't going to exploit us as hard as the North

already has, the Union already has. It's sort of that kind of situation going on for the most part. What's really weird about it is, it's And you got to wonder, you know, by just, you know, 10, 12 years after Brown to be bored, you know, you have race wars going on in high schools and things like that. And that's my point is I do think that literally the Japanese government is partly responsible for it. It's my point is that people, I don't think people know that connection is that literally the Japanese imperial government is partly responsible and recognize that race was always going to be America's Achilles' heel, that they stoked racial hatred in the country,

which were quite literally still the consequences of it today are greater than ever. It comes, not exclusively, of course, but the fact that nobody talks about the fact that Japan has this level of control. And then you've got to imagine what Russia did also to do this very same thing. I haven't even looked into any Russia connections,

but I'm sure there are many. And Russia used to use all that propaganda. too where you know they focus on an American serial killer and be like we don't have that problem here a lot of people think that the the Civil Rights Act of 64

and the voting rights act of 65 was because of Russian propaganda you know they were just yeah so yeah I'm sure I'm sure it is our next friend comes by the goes by the name

polycarpio Manansala he's a Filipino man who is better known by his alias Ashima Takis Takis is a Filipino of Japanese descent born in the Philippines

around the year 1900 and he was known to present himself as a Japanese citizen he was speaking before local audiences in the Universal Negro Improvement Association when he was recruited by Takahashi to join his newly founded organization, the Pacific

Movement of the Eastern World, in the spring of 1932. He was named the president of that organization, and that organization's aim was to promote the worldwide unity of the colored races under the leadership of Japan. So Takahashi ends up

devoting himself to organizing the black community in Detroit, and Takis agrees to speak before the UNIA local in St. Louis in 1932, and the organization at that time is led by Takahashi. So that, and I want

to make this very clear, these are black fraternal organizations run by Japanese imperial nationalist officers. There's not like a, it's not an Asian move organization.

Members are almost entirely African Americans. Just to kind of give an illustration of how that setup looks. About a decade later, one of the former members, of the PMEW describes Taquise as a short, well-dressed, and colorful man.

He had an associate named Moy Liang, who is taller, thinner, and was more of a patrician. The two of them together, but mostly Taquise, who was the more colorful of the two, he spoke fluent English, German, French, and Spanish. He posed as a doctor of medicine,

but he did not have a license to practice medicine. Leang, on the other hand, represented himself as an importer and he went to Chicago with occasional visits to Tauquise. Tukis ends up prescribing the colors of the Pacific Movement's banners to symbolize the racial

unity that he preached. The colors on it were brown, black, red, and yellow. He spoke with a thick accent in public meetings and one of his quotes was, Your people wouldn't believe me if I spoke too well.

So Tukes rode the wave of African American support for his racial unity message and the PMEW ends up attracting followers among African Americans who were dissatisfied with current economic and social conditions. Movement's message of racial unity and its appeal to the poorer working class African Americans ends up getting a lot of traction. Takis and his Japanese aides were said to have worked with African Americans, just whipping people up into fanatical frenzies of open hatred of the white race.

And according to an FBI informant, a lot of their speeches were highly inflammatory and encouraged resentment and measures of revenge against discrimination and the white race. The St. Louis branch of the Urban League, talking about the Urban League again, warned of the dangers posed by PMEW's racial appeal, noted that the rhetoric was highly inflammatory and directed race hate and war, but despite this, Tchaise and two other Asian men ended up appearing on the Men's Day program at the First Baptist Church in July, where they were scheduled to speak on a number of topics, and so they're branching out. Shortly after the incorporation of the St. Louis branch of the PMEW, Ashima Tchaquise, and his supporters withdraw a lot of their support in order to form a rival organization.

The original independent, benevolent, Afro-Pacific Movement of the World. It's a hell of a name. It's another organization that pops up, which still exists to this day. The Missouri-based PMEW ends up filing in corporation papers. and so a guy named Walter Peoples and Sadatatatakashi end up excluding Tchaese from leadership. They get into a big fight. There might have been some violence done, and he ends up departing the city of St. Louis never to be seen again until the FBI pulls him in and arrests him and sends him to jail for instigating the black community.

He's being hunted down by agents for years. I think in 1945, they end up pulling him away. So this series of arrests ends up happening after the U.S. government concludes the 1942 Sykeston lynching investigation that was brought to the attention originally in the beginning by a pro-Japanese sentiment, or rather it revealed a pro-Japanese sentiment among black Missourians to the FBI. So there are leaders who get pulled in. Walter Peeples is one of the people who gets pulled in. Ashima Tekees gets pulled in. Moy Liang gets pulled in. Tekees was tracked down in New York City.

They ended up charging him on two offenses. One was failure to comply with draft laws, and the other one was fraudulent cashing of a postal money order in St. Louis. They got him on like Al Capone-style charges. The charges for draft violations ended up being dropped because

he was able to prove his local draft board was at fault. And then he was remanded to St. Louis to stand trial for forgery and he ended up being sentenced to three years in prison, serves the three years. At the same time, this was during the summer of 1942, or it might have been in 1943, but 125 people were pulled in and arrested. Dozens of members of the Moorish Science Temple of America in Kansas City ended up being pulled in. If that name sounds familiar to you, it's because that is the group that is the first to use the phrase black Hebrew Israelites. And so that is the organization there. I want to talk a little bit about our friends, the Black Hebrew Israelites, in the form of the Moorish Science Temple.

So I was talking firstly earlier about how a lot of blacks refer to themselves as Asians or indigenous Americans. Others refer to themselves as Moors. They believed that they were the original Hebrews, the original Jews, who fled to Morocco and to Western Africa. and were enslaved and brought to the United States. That's the story there. Most of the literature of such an organization comes from the founding prophet of the organization, Noble Drew Ali. It's got murky origins.

The hagiography is pretty exaggerated, very romanticized, but many discoveries of Drew's pre-Morish documents have enabled historians to create an empirical account of the man who's otherwise very mysterious. In large part, Drew resided at 181 Warren Street in good old Newark, New Jersey, and together with Luis Gaines, a married Virginian, in a mixed neighborhood. He alternated between working in a barbershop and being a street preacher. Drew himself dressed in a loosely fitting multicolored gown, he covered his head with a brilliant purple hood, and he cosmetically redesigned himself into Professor Thomas Drew, the Egyptian adept student. He was claiming to be an East Indian from Virginia who ate nails and cured blind soldiers. His vast clientele sought a wide range of services, including crystal gazing, advice on lovers' affairs, Eastern wisdom such as the forgotten 18 years of Jesus Christ's life.

Swiftly, he emerged as Black Newark's leading faith healer amidst the crowded and competitive religious market of seers. mystics, psalmists, professors, and princes who taught mystical sciences at the turn of the 20th century. Structurally, Drew was inspired by Garvey's Universal Negro Improvement Association, and hence he modeled the MSTA, that is again the Moorish Science Temple of America, along Garveyite lines of ancillary units like the Moorish Manuelsh. manufacturing corporation, which they made a lot of clothing, the Moorish Guide and the Sisters National Auxiliary. These were like informational organizations. And Drew linked the incipient organizations to Garvey's embedding of the popular UNIA leader with the John

the Baptist trope. So they basically believed that this guy, and in some there's some belief that even Marcus Carvey bought into this. Noble Drew Ali was a reincarnation of John the Baptist. So, theologically, Drew ended up looking to a man named Abdul Hamid

Suleiman and the Canaanite temple as a way to kind of I guess innovate black Islamic masonry. We're getting real deep now. Following me? So Drew ends up

substituting Suleiman's Mecca with Morocco as the main cosmological center of spiritual power. Juru appropriates Suleiman's taxonomy, that Islam for blacks and Christianity for whites, and blacks are Asians in this. And there's a lot of Mohammedan Masonic nexus that form. It's very romanticized, Pan-African, Pan-Islamic. It's dizzying. It's dizzying. But there's a real corpus of theory to this. I mean, there's thousands of written pages of black Hebrew-Israelite philosophy. It's insane.

A lot of it was written by one guy. And so I think this happened a few years ago. There was an on-earth census that disclosed some of the dogmatic narrations of Drew's genealogical roots. And this was very bad. Some people had suspected it, but it was officially confirmed not long ago. that he was adopted and that he wasn't completely black, that he had some white ancestors. And so they tarnished him, they said his ancestors were common laborers,

Wharf Longshoremen, it was bad. And so they kind of ousted him from the organization. He's gone, and this causes a big breakup of all the Moorish organizations. And one of those organizations is the current black Hebrew-Israelite group. I think it's called like the Temple of the Temple of the United States. truth and science. It's the famous one where they go and they stand in Central Park and they go and they stand in Union Square

and they, I mean, they tell they do every, they say all the things that I've just explained to you in their charming way. There's also like fetish organizations that popped up that do this and there's like a lot that comes from this one thing.

I'm sure this very religious man would have been pleased by all the things that happened because of what he was saying. And in the 1930s and 40s, I mean, they're going crazy. There's all kinds of organizations popping up. Morris Temples popping up. The bombing at Pearl Harbor happens,

and it necessitates Morris Theologians to reread and reinterpret Drew's 1920 doctrines about the acceleration of the race war in the United States. Noble Drale's esoteric New Age wisdom ends up having racially positioned the Japanese, the Egyptians who were black. and the Arabians who were black, among the divine Asiatic nations in his theory known as the Circle 7 Quran. This is a theosophical theory. Seven is everywhere in that too. But anyway, Drew couldn't have possibly foreseen that there was Japanese influence coming from the Black Dragon Society that was cajoling black organizations, including his own, into embracing pro-Japanese, black messianic, nationalist proclivities

in the event of a Japanese invasion of the United States. And so the Moorish faith system has to be revised and becomes impregnated with external ideologies and influences demonstrating porous boundaries. It basically becomes a paramilitary organization waiting for the Japanese to invade the United States mainland. The Moorish Temple of Sampbellers, science, believe it or not, its loyalty to America comes into question. And they believe that

this all this pro-Japanese sentiment that they discovered during the Sykeston investigation led to strong alliances between blacks and the Japanese, faced with Japanese propaganda promoting a pan-Asiatic order that was hostile to the United States. Most of the Moorish American theologians, they could rely on Drew's outdated beliefs anymore. And so they, they ended up throwing, believe this, throwing in with constitutional loyalty to America and abandoning Japan. So the organization splits again, and it becomes pro-Black America and anti-Japanese. So that group ends up challenging the norms that were established. There are Moorish groups that show varying levels of support.

The Temples of Kirkman Bay is another group that shows pan-Asiatic order based on Asiatic Muslim roots. In 1936, Hartford Moors, Hartford, Connecticut. Shout out to Hartford, Connecticut. The dumpster fire of America. Hartford Moors hosted Japanese representatives of the imperial Japanese government and spread their vision of a new Asian world order. Ruben Fraser Bay, part of the Kirkman Bay Temple, transforms his home into a Japanese safe zone.

He's got tapestries of black dragons and Japanese scriptures everywhere. He put a pagoda on the top of his roof. He put a pagoda on the top of the roof of his house in Flint, Michigan. In Flint, Michigan. Currently in Flint, Michigan, probably still there. Someone should go and find it. In Flint, Michigan also, there are moors that are eagerly awaiting Drew's return. They believe that Drew eventually ends up dying,

and they saw Sadakata Takahashi as his reincarnation. and this led to some more such as the Rhodes Bay Organization to seek support in 1942 from Japan under the United States government's watch getting money from a rival power in the United States and they get that money $5,000 in fact they get from the Japanese government which in 1942 is a serious contribution of money you can get a lot done with that this leads to all kinds of shit genealogical connections between Moors and members of the Japanese Army start popping up. And ironically, in all of this, what's funny is, in a lot of the writings,

I mean, you'd end up believing that Japan was above every other group with the way that they talk about the Japanese. In conclusion, Takis, if you'll remember Asimatakis, our Filipino Japanese friend, got arrested. They found him and they arrested him. While he was under arrest, he squealed and he said, Irwin, Irwin was an associate of his, got money on occasion from a Japanese owner of a restaurant near Jefferson Avenue and Market Street, which was located near the PMEW headquarters in St. Louis. He quotes Irwin, and he says, during one meeting, I will never fight for America because of what it has done to my people, and I will make you ministers so that you don't have to fight either.

So there was a big minister-making racket to dodge the draft, and this is what a lot of people got pulled in on. Tchaise ends up relating that PMEW military units were drilling in uniforms at their meeting places and were instructed in their manuals of arms. You wonder where all of the black separatist movements, including the one that Malcolm X, were trained in military style. I mean, they all have these uniforms. They stand in military order. They do marches. You wonder where all that came from? The Japanese.

There were members that were taught secret signs and code. where they would be able to identify themselves to invading Japanese soldiers. They were told to make their flags black, brown, red, and yellow and hang them in their windows as signals when invaders were coming. The colors ended up changing a little bit,

but basically there were complaints that Taki said testified against some of these guys that I was talking about, Erwin being one of them. So there's a retaliation letter that they put out, like a complaint letter. And in the letter, there are some sworn assertions from

other members that contradicted Takis. So they contradicted Takis to saying that in the meeting that was held in St. Louis in 1939 where they were saying that Japanese were the champions of all colored people,

that it all started with the Japanese. So Takis Stakees was trying to make it seem like it was blacks doing this organically. But then the black leaders started all turning on the Japanese and saying, no, they were funding us. They were giving us the money. So it did not bode well for the

defense. And Takiz goes to jail for several years because of this. The judge also sentences Irwin to four years in prison. Some other associates get a couple of years in prison. And the Pacific movement of the Eastern world, the PMEW, was fined $1,000. And charges against the non-existent Japanese John Doe were finally dismissed. They never found out who this final figure was, who was sending a lot of money and influencing people. Some people suspect that it was Elijah Muhammad, but they don't know. The federal investigation ends up becoming a big breaking up of a sedition racket in the state of Missouri, and it generates a lot, a lot of black political disloyalty. African Americans were being prosecuted for political

crimes. It just doesn't look good. So the attract. of tens of thousands of black Missourians to pro-Japanese movements, whether it was a fake or not, it had implications. The middle class, such as the Urban League, the NWACP,

were consistently being undermined by the Japanese, pro-Japanese sentiment. Money that was coming in, marginalized African-Americans ended up welcoming military intervention from a foreign power. just it's a deeply buried subject that has a lot of implications. Black dissidents who didn't conform to the mold of the Patriot,

they were called crackpots. They tried to deny the theories behind all this. The Japanese John Doe was like the main linchpin. They couldn't truly peg the Japanese can. in court. And though there were a few arrests of black dissidents, it appeared that this was kind of more of a way the FBI used of intimidating others with similar sympathies

than it actually was of breaking up any of these current organizations because they couldn't get the guy they wanted. So tens of thousands of African Americans are joining pro-Japanese organizations like the Nation of Islam, Morris Science Temple, other movements like the development of our own. Also the peace movement of Ethiopia, Ethiopian Pacific Movement, the Pacific Movement of the Eastern World, the nation of Islam, I mean, 10,000 members of the nation of Islam at its peak, 12,000 members of the development of our own society at its peak, how many thousands of members of Marcus Garvey's organizations, the Chicago Peace Movement of Ethiopia also has a large following, a survey conducted in 1942 by the Office of War. war information found significant pro-Japanese sentiment among New York City blacks that traced to the Black Hebrew-Israelite movement.

And ultimately, in the end, the incarceration of a lot of the leaders of this movement closed the history, but it did not wipe up any of the influence. And so very few people know about this today, but if you go and you dig through government archives and some great books, you could find a hell of a thread that connects Japanese black, Japanese nationalism and black nationalism during World War II. It made me wonder about how much infiltration they were able to go. I mean, when you have the Japanese and blacks, I mean, the FBI at the time isn't really going to have a really easy time infiltrating.

The only way they're going to be able to do it, I think at that point is to frame, not frame, but get some black guy or some Japanese guy caught up in something and say, now you're an informant, something like that. Well, it makes me wonder how many of the competing black separatists, black nationalists or civil rights movements were either funded by Russia or the United States to kind of siphon members away from these organizations and at least into like control, contained movements like Martin Luther King's movement. Right.

Yeah. Controllable contained. I mean, Martin Luther King's, um, handler, you know, is part of the, let's say the New Deal regime. Yeah.

It's one of us. And yeah. I think that a lot of, so I, I basically, um, why this is relevant is, Well, I think what struck me is that racism really is America's Achilles heel. And that's not an observation, in my opinion. It's at this point a proven fact because the Japanese were able to exploit it

and kick off some intensely divisive movements that still to this time. I mean, you remember not five years ago, the FBI put black nationalism on its terror watch list. And that was around the same time as the guy drove the car and told all those people. He was a black nationalist, inspired by a lot of these ideas. There was a black Hebrew-Israelite shooter recently, maybe up to two years ago. I mean, this is still these organizations who ultimately they make war against the United States as a concept. I don't think any of them would deny that either.

I don't think that's a label. I think they find themselves in enmity with the United States. A not insignificant reason why a lot of those organizations exist and take influence from the past was directed by the Japanese. Not all of it. A lot of this is independent, too. A lot of this rises out of the same kind of reaction. actionary tendency that just about every colonized power, rather colonized minority, feels. I mean, you saw this in South America as well and had nothing to do with Japanese.

You see, you know, like pan-Latino movements rise up. So it's... Well, who's colonized here? I mean, colonization, I mean, if they believe that they were already here, sure, they're colonized. but if they were imported, that's not a proper, that term doesn't apply. A lot of the ones who, like the Morris Science Temple, the ultimate goal is, well, you know the Marcus Garvey concept, Asia for the Asians, and Africa for the Africans. A lot of those organizations preach a back-to-Africa-style movement. certainly the black keeper

Israelites do because they believe Morocco is Mecca and so they go on Hajj to Morocco and they maintain significant influence with the Moroccan government that's another story for another day but yeah these organizations

and they push a lot of money around these organizations do and they take in a lot of money and they are one of the things the black keeper Israelites in the United States do is they act as ways of funneling money between other revolutionary groups.

The fact that's how a lot of them still maintain is because they're basically used as a shell corporation for radical dissidents to get funded. And they're not the only ones. And there are also a lot of them are like instigators. They function a lot of them as instigators. You'll recall

one instigation from not long ago, the Cunnington Catholic school situation. Sure. That was instigated by them. And so, I mean, they really, they are at war with the United States, these organizations. And again, I don't think it's radical to say that. I think there's a lot more organizations that are at war with the United States government than people would like to admit, even though, because I think people think that war is like explosions and like people

losing their limbs and stuff. A lot of wars are cold, and they're fighting a lot of cold wars of these organizations and others. And of course, you see traces of influence in this group, although I don't think as many as people would like to draw with Black Lives Matter. You also see it with the BIPAC movement in general, which is, the BIPAC movement is interesting because there's an enmity drawn between a lot of these groups and Native Americans, because a lot of the African groups are claimed that the Native Americans colonize after, and you can imagine that Native Americans don't like that, but there's significant influences in those organizations as well. And so the largest conclusion possible that somebody can draw is that a not insignificant

percentage of radical left protest movements in the United States are the direct result of funding from the Japanese government over 100 years ago. I guess that's the thesis. No, that's wild. But coming to the, coming up to, you said that racism, you know, they saw racism as our biggest weakness. I mean, but when you look at what happened, what's happening today, I mean, really the only group you're allowed to be racist against is, you know, right-wing Bible believing white people. It's like you have these, you have the president of the United States saying that, you know, anyone on the right who's white is a potential, you know, a potential terrorist, basically.

Which president? Your buddy. Your buddy. Oh, my guy. Oh, Joe. Okay. You're a guy. Yeah.

Basically, any right-wing white person, they're the most dangerous. They're the ones that have to be watched when it's like when you look at all these groups and you're talking about how the black Hebrew Israelites are funnel for money. And then you, you know, when you look and to me at this point, it's almost like left-wing white people are almost as more dangerous than some of the black. black militant groups. Oh, yeah, no doubt. I mean, no doubt. Yes.

Yeah. I mean, yeah. I mean, there's just, there's just basically. Yeah. This is not, uh, yeah, this is not the number one enemy group by far. These are very small. I mean, even in the black community, you will, like Charlemagne the God is one of the most influential radio, uh, I don't know if this is a DJ NC.

I don't really know what he goes as, but the breakfast club is a massive, uh, show in the black community and in, like, orbiting. white communities too. And you got Charlene the God on there. I mean, a lot of his beliefs are identical to this. So it's a big thought movement in the black community in the United States that believes

less radical versions of the things that the it's a trickle-down theory. The Japanese were trying to create such a highly concentrated group of schizophrenic black Americans that it would trickle down into just kind of general

theory among the black community. And so you have platforming guys like Dr. Umar on the breakfast club. I mean, frequently, where he talks about theories about our Native Americans are basically Chinese invaders from a couple hundred years ago. Actually, less than 200 years ago, I think he said on one of these recordings, Native Americans got to the United States is what Dr. Ram believes. It's astonishing stuff. I mean, and it is taken in as though it is in the same way that, like, white America,

like I think other groups look at white America with some people who will get. get up there at like, I want to be able illustrate this properly because I was watching a show the other day at about three in the morning, like a MAGA TV show on, I don't know, whatever channel it is on Pluto TV that also hosts War Room. And there's this guy on there who's like Ra, Ura, White America guy. And it's the same thing. It's the same mirror of what's trying to be accomplished. It's like it makes me think of the Rwandan genocide. Some of the

reporters in the Rwandan genocide and how the Rwandan genocide, a lot of it was stoked by the media. The racial hatred was stoked by the media. It's, a lot of this is transferred through media. And so that's where you're seeing the biggest influence today when you have someone like Charlemagne the God

with one of the largest media platforms reaching out to the black community. It's kind of like it's normal theory, which it's becoming more normal every day, talking about a lot of the stuff that I just outlined up to and including Native Americans

really only getting to the United States a couple of hundred years ago and displacing the black indigenous people of the country. You've heard about the Olmec heads, I'm sure. I mean, there's a discovery that there was an Olmec head in Ghana or something like that. And everybody was like, whoa, that's crazy.

It turns out that was given to them. by a Guatemala or something like that a couple years ago, but it's used as an example of how it's the same art style in two different nations. It's a lot of lies. Do you know what I mean? It's a lot of lies with a lot of really interesting theories. So I do recommend you somebody throw on a Dr. Umar episode of the Breakfast Club and pay careful attention to every word.

And like six out of ten of them are perfectly accurate. and then there's a select intelligent four out of ten of those words that are just some crazy shit that I just outlined here. It's all over. It's a more influential pattern of thought that I think people want to believe. Even though, ultimately you're talking about a very small percent of the population in the United States, it's highly influential to that group. I want to say it's the most influential thing to the black community of all time.

but when you have a show like the breakfast club platforming someone like Dr. Umar whose ideas are very identical to a lot of the things that I just outlined were influenced by money and philosophy from the Japanese ultra-nationalist government kind of makes your headspin. You can talk about how it's such a small movement and everything, but we see that the regime in charge right now allows small movements to wield power. Well, I think you're right about that. but I do think about the history of enmity that these groups have had with the FBI over time.

And I do wonder if it's controlled opposition, because since the early 1900s, the FBI has been arresting influential members of these groups. So the movement is still influential despite that, but part of me wonders, in the same way that the local police know who deals the drugs and don't arrest them because they can control that system. I think a lot of this is controlled opposition now that it's gotten out. I think the FBI would like to have suppressed a lot of this before it had the chance, but a lot of this was only discovered after that major lynching, 30 years after a lot of this stuff started happening in the United States.

Again, this has its roots in the Russo-Japanese War. from long ago. Well, what ends it there? You want to plug anything? Do you do anything else besides this weird shit? No, I don't. No, I do actually want to, I do. I must plug, actually.

I'm going to have to plug my Magnum Opus. Listeners, please go and check out. I guess it's episode 109. It's the review of our Patreon episode that I put out. My podcast is called Timeline. earth. I don't know, Pete, to, I feel like I've been on here enough that people are already tired of hearing my voice. But if you want to hear my voice coupled with some other interesting people's voices, go check out the Timeline Earth, Patreon, and listen to ITC 15 into the cave number 15. Here's, here's the scariest part when I was listening to that is I'm like, how many hours of my voice are there out there?

Yeah, you're screwed. I mean, who all they have to. Actually, with some of the things you've said, you might be able to use that as an excuse that it's not real. But it's like, I mean, as soon as I heard that, I was just like, well, they could do this too. Now, here's the argument, okay? And I heard you guys argue on this. Carr's voice was the one that I didn't, that was the most off to me. I agree.

I agree with that. Yeah, I agree with that. And then we had some other figures who came in, and I thought their voices were a lot more convincing. You know, the problem is that Carr was just too consistent in his speech patterns because cars very late. He's laid back and then he gets excited. Yes.

This was like Paxil or, you know, frigging SSRI car. Yeah, well, that's why I had to do the whole storyline that I had to hire a guy because it just didn't sound anything like him, and I couldn't get it too. So I don't know, as many hours of voice work as you have out there, there's still a, we got about five years before it'll be really convincing. So I don't know. I'm thinking that means we got about five years until we can retire

and we can just type out the thing for it to say, and then just go from there. I was actually, I was this close. If I had extra money in my bank account, I was going to just pay for it to be done. I was going to have Donald Trump read this entire script. uh so yeah also that episode um donald trump steve bannon tucker carlson making appearance it was a great show um i love all those guys i feel like since timeline earth has moved to fox

we have we it's a whole new audience i mean you should see the enthusiasm in the new maga movement this movement of maga people from between the ages of 18 and 25 i'm I mean, these MAGA guys, this group of MAGA spiritual warriors is, it's like nothing you've ever seen before, Pete. It's what does Sean have to be like? Sean, there's some contention between Sean and I. I called into his show the other day, and I rated him a six out of ten. I rated him a six out of ten. And I said, Sean, you've been kicking this fucking can down the road for years.

and then they cut me off because I said the F word. And that's the last that I've gotten to speak to Sean. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it was a slip up. Yeah. I'm a passionate guy. I'm a passionate guy.

Yeah, and he's a clown. I agree. I agree that he's a clown. So I'm gaming for that 7 p.m. spot, 7 p.m. Pacific spot. I'm gaming for the 7 p.m. Pacific spot. I'm going to take. over the Hannity hour one day, and we're going to turn into the timeline

Earth hour, and we're, and we'll follow Tuck. My guy, Tucker, my guy, Tucker Carlson. And can I say what a stand-up guy he is? I hope he doesn't sue me for that. I mean, I'm wondering who from that performance is going to sue me first. I'm waiting for the, for the nine o'clock hour on Fox News of,

you know, an hour on L.E. odd or something like that. It'd be great. Well, we're going to work a lot. Now that we have a partnership with the Fox organization, we're going to do a lot. I'm coming for Laura Ingraham's spot, too. That's going to be Aaron's. That's going to be Aaron's?

Oh, that's going to be good. Yeah. Aaron. And that's the angle. Yeah. I mean, I can't wait to hear Aaron just, you know, going over, you know, doing long readings of the German ideology or something like that. All right, I'm getting out of here.

Thank you for having me on, brother. Thank you so much. Take care. There it is. What is your problem with intros? I told this to Mark. Mr. Claire, I'm name dropping here. I told it to Mark, Claire, I get nervous about intros.

You don't know what to do while I'm going. I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekino show. Returning is Burdo. Yeah, no. it's not that I don't know what to do while you're making that announcement it is specifically that after you've made that announcement

I have to say something hi yeah right like a douche like a like a you know what I mean like I know what you mean ever there's that there's a deep fear with every everyone really

when they're going on a show where they want to come off strong you know in their first introductions to many new people and you're going to go it's bird bird has it going man and i'm going to go it's going well pete like a dick like a just a dick so i don't really like you know because what happened when we just rolled into this call you i was sitting in the room you picked up and you went hey and i went hey now that's a way to start a podcast hey has a good

go and that's way better so I get a little self-conscious that's actually how we are when we meet in real life we're just like hey yeah I haven't I don't see you for a full year and then when we see one another across the room head nod slow slow float

slow float towards it's a very masculine it's very masculine it's like we don't give up about anything since it since it is me I know that we have an episode topic and I got a lot of thoughts on the topic. But do we have to just do the topic?

Because a lot happened today. No, we don't have to just do the topic. I want to talk a little bit about the news. Well, I've been playing. I'm doing a live stream tomorrow where I'm going to talk a little bit about this and some other things. Maybe I'll hit some history because I'm pretty good on the history of this whole quote unquote conflict but um it'll most it'll mostly be to rant and see where we're at by tomorrow and see see see how much propaganda has see where we're at yeah see where the propaganda is because that's all it is it's like where's the propaganda on this Twitter has been excellent I have to say when to me a tragedy it might be at the same time Twitter is very

interesting right now. Well, you're seeing, you're basically seeing a lot of people, I've seen a couple things. Okay, a lot of right-wingers who are like, we don't need to be in Ukraine automatically are just like, Israel needs to be there. Israel needs to be defended. Because, you know, they're the only national socialist country in the middle. Oh, did I, did I actually say that? that out loud. That's not even controvert. I got into a big

fight at a Shabbas night dinner table saying exactly the same thing. Two bottles of line deep. They are literally, I forget who it was. I think it might have been Israel Shahak who said that Zionism makes Nazism

makes them look like pussies. Makes them look like that. Yeah, it's been around a lot longer. You know, and it's because, I mean, you, you, blood and soil, what is, right. It's the one country in the world. That's the motto. Yeah. It's allowed to be blood and soil.

Yeah. That's, that is the, that is the express motto of that, of that country. I mean, it's, but it would make you think like, okay, then, yes, then I'm in. But it doesn't make you think that. You don't feel in on. On any, this situation for me has been a great example of where I can step back and go, I'm really not on either team here. I really, I really am on team three.

Whatever team three is the team with the binoculars looking onward. Yeah, you know, if I say, if I go on Twitter and I say, fuck Israel, or Mark safe from, Mark safe from, I just proposed one that was like Mark safe from supporting Israel, America's greatest. ally today. Yes. Somebody goes, oh, so you're supporting rape.

And I'm like, and I'm literally like, why do you have to argue like an 85 IQ tune? By the way, America's greatest ally is the Navajo Nation. Let's be honest. It's almost the best partner

we've had in the entire span of time. I don't think Israel cracks top 10 on that list. I really don't think they do. I will. got a nine billy aid package dude they got a nice aid package today i i will say this though i mean the stuff that you're seeing coming out of there really looks siopi um it's always gonna right it's always gonna what else would it look like oh there's an israeli girl who shit her pants

because they're doing you know and oh they raped her and they dragged her through the streets and i'm gone spanish civil war this happened there is for Yes, well, I was going to say because there's for sure a lot of rape going on. Yeah. There's for sure a lot of that going on. But this is not like one side. Exactly. Right.

And this was like, I was talking to my dad about this before, something to the effect of like, this is a, we're watching, uh, two, me and my dad are very much of the same mind. We're watching two teams with that we want to lose, basically. We're watching two of the teams that we want to lose. lose from different civilizations. It's the first time where we're watching a cross national, I wasn't alive in 73 or whatever. It's the first time I'm watching a real cross conflict between two neutral evils that I, and they're from different civilizations.

And you just look on and you're like, yeah, of course they're doing this. The only thing is, this is really in America, the war is between. student groups that's the war that we're seeing is between student activist groups on one side or the other because there's a lot of money that goes into both of those that's the war here right the war over there is more primitive brutal yeah and over here it's like who can make the most effective propaganda meme is it going to be the Palestinian side with the all of their student groups and their young kids who are really good at making memes,

or is it going to be the Israeli side, which is, I forget the name of it. What is the name of that student activist organization? Hasra? I don't know. I don't. I don't follow the student. It's like number one, dude. Yeah, I don't call it.

It's like the number one student organization in the country. That's what the war over here is. That's what you're seeing over here. It's a totally weird, like as many videos as you're getting on Twitter, there's also like, literally student activist groups on both sides right now in classrooms, pulling up videos from a decade ago with the new tweet, making new accounts, they have mobilized hard.

You saw the death to Israel being chanted in Iran, which is from how many years ago, that got rolled out again? Yeah. Is it Halele International you're thinking of? No, it's, well, that's one of them. Yes,

that's definitely one of them. No, it's a different organization. I'll see if I can come up with a name across. But regardless, it's funny that over there, they're fighting one another with guns. And both sides have significant money going into groups in this country. And it's being fought through my Twitter feed specifically. This is another one of those things like when the Russia-Ukraine thing jumped off. The reaction from a lot of people when stuff like this happens,

because the progressive worldview has become so dominant, even in people who consider themselves to be right-wing minds, is how can war be happening in the current year? I mean, we're in 2023. We're supposed to be beyond war now. We're supposed to be so enlightened. And it's like, and I'm like, that's literally who we are. It's the history of who we are. And it's not going to go away. why yeah why would it go away the the reason why it exists as a mechanism hasn't gone away why would why would war suddenly go away there's the need for conflict resolution among sovereign nations that that's when will that go away you need you one world government dude we need our one world government that's about it um we yeah and and and the thing is is that israel so fucking stupid they've kept these hot There instead of I mean, you would have expected them to slaughter them by now or to get rid of them. I don't frankly don't understand how if you're Israel, you haven't just flattened Gaza. Yeah.

10 years ago. And that's not saying I'm on that team. I'm literally saying like. Like I don't understand. Yeah. How does that not, how has that not been done? There's, they just bombed a place that was called like Palestine Tower. Why was that still there?

That seems like a pretty enigmatic name. Well, I mean, people don't even know. People don't even know that Hamas was created by the Israeli government as a hedge against the PLO. So they basically created this golem and now they want to cry about it. Why do you keep your enemy right next to you? You know, you would think that in this time, and especially, as much psychos as the Israelis are. They'd want to nuke, but they can't drop a nuke right next door.

They can't in their own country. Actually, I'm going to go on and say they certainly can, and maybe they should try it. Well, yeah, I mean, just make sure the wind's blowing north when they do it. Send it up to Turkey, yeah. No, I want the whole country to be, the whole country to get it. I mean, and here's another thing is like when I was growing up, you know, I heard all these stories about how the IDF, these were just like the most hardened soldiers and how, I mean, how. I remember that.

I mean, but think about it. Look at our military. Look at most of the, yeah. Boy, are we scary. I mean, different. Tel Aviv is fag heaven. I mean, it's like, yeah, it's this city that is just completely LGBTed out. they take in all these fucking pedophiles and hide pedophiles from around the world

who get accused of something and then they just go back there how great can the IDF be they really have to stink compared to like the guys that we have yeah I would be fucking terrifying to go up against a couple of like really sadistic Marines over any IDF oh well yeah well I mean also but our military you know I did that show what Lee, I don't know if you listen to it. It's changing. Yeah.

And he, yeah, well, and it has changed a lot. And the biggest problem is when it comes to fighting men, people who can actually like, you know, killers. Because that's what war is all about killing and blowing stuff up. Killing. Yeah. You're talking about less than what, 30,000 people in this country. So how many do they have over there?

I mean, I'm assuming that Gaza is going to be flattened by the time this is all over. That's what we're all assuming, I think, right? that's what just about everybody's like kind of waiting to see how they decide to flatten it within the next week. But a friend of mine said something that made me laugh today. He just posted and he goes, wouldn't it be hilarious if Israel was the 110th nation? I mean, I just don't. I look at militaries around the world and I'm like, it seems to me the most hardened military. in the world is Russia.

They're spooky. Yeah, they're scary. Well, Ukraine, too. To be honest with you, they got some dirty killers. Some scary guys in both sides of that conflict, dude, doing some really weird stuff. Yeah. I mean, I'm looking at this and I'm like, okay, well, this isn't a surprise. This jumps off like every 10, 12 years. This happens.

And apparently they flooded Israel, flooded a mosque on purpose. A couple months back? Yeah. Or now? I think this was recent because actually... I feel like I remember that. Yeah, the...

I forget which mosque it's called. I looked it up earlier. Not a lot. So, right? His names. But they actually call... They're calling this offensive. They're naming it after the mosque, like, is it the flood or something like that?

And, um... And, um... You know, and just how their food gets rationed, things like that. I mean, I know they're shitty people on both sides. But why? I mean, and this goes, I think this all goes to my, my theory, not my theory. I'm fully convinced of this. The Jews cannot exist unless they're oppressed.

Their oppression that they can point to them being oppressed and always being the victim, that's their, that's how they exist. That's everything about them. That is their identity. Their identity is, oh, we suffered this thing. We suffer this thing. So that's why we have to have our own country. That's why you're not allowed to have an all white country.

You're not allowed to have blood and soil. And so we're going to take over your banking and we're going to completely fuck you and turn you into a little, a little annuities. It's definitely, you make me think it might be that the state of Israel is a project to move away from that. I don't know if they consider themselves oppressed by the Palestinians. Well, I mean, but they can always point to themselves as being victims. I mean, every- Oh, definitely. I mean, the West, the West thinks that Israel is this white country in the Middle East. They don't realize that they're like, it's a socialist economy.

They don't really care about their people at all. They were the most highly vaccinated. They were some of the most highly like vaccine injured countries because of COVID. Well, when you yell out when they get you with the stab, that counts for them as a vaccine injury. But ow. Yeah. Oh, yeah. that's the noise. If you hit the, if you hit the, oh, that noise counts as a vaccine injury.

But it's, they, they keep the, it seems like they keep those people around so that they have an excuse to say, oh, look, we're we try to deal with these people and it just makes them in the perpetual victim. I feel like I, I, I'm not erudite to speak on. it but I do feel like Israel at least as of late this we're gonna use my air quotes with this right-wing turn in Israel is it it felt as though it was it turned it from we are victimized by these people to they are our blood enemies like the the perspective changed well that's bad I'd rather have that I mean you know well the other side has felt that way for far longer yeah i mean and that changed recently i was talking

to my wife this afternoon i said i do not understand how they just how israel hasn't just you know the jews haven't just killed all these people yet that i don't either i know but you see videos every day of that process slowly happening so maybe it is just not organized enough of an effort but you do you do see every day settler video the destruction of property, the stealing of things, the killing of vulnerable, you do see it every day on that side. I mean, how do you, if they're such trouble, how have they not just either kill them all or expelled them?

Or why do they give them electricity? That would be the other question that I have is why do they keep the lights on in Gaza? I mean, why stop being a fucking victim? They're an excuse. They keep them there as an excuse to play the fucking. Keep playing the fucking victim. And it's so pathetic. I mean, if you had a shitty neighbor,

I've had a shitty neighbor before. And I've fucking sold my condo like within, I mean, I was just like, I'll take the first offer to get the fuck out of here. I mean, that's, and that's me just wanting to get away from somebody who's playing music

until fucking 5 a.m. Right. You're talking. about, oh, these third world, not even third world, there's these primitive people who don't even, who don't even understand, you know, like indoor plumbing or anything like that, which is total bullshit. Yeah. Total bullshit.

Why do you keep them there? Why do you keep them there? Yeah, you're making the case for me. I see what you mean. Yeah. I mean, it just doesn't, it doesn't make any fucking sense unless you need. you need them as an excuse to be the shitty people that you are and have been since you fucking crucified my lord and that's the segue for the day into and long before that too we can go into the old we go into the

old testament and talk about all the times that they i mean they wouldn't they freaking reverted to child sacrifice and they had to be taken off into frigging captivity We're in. We're so in. It's really, it's a hell of a thing, man. It's really is a hell of a thing. It's really interesting. The other group, which is, well, I don't like Israel, but I don't like Palestine worse. That's been the most interesting group so far. The whole thing is, is, so what's your over under on the conclusion for this? These things usually last. I can't remember how long cast lead last. I think cast lead was like two or three months.

So I don't know. I mean, honestly. Because you don't think it's ending. You don't think by that I take it that you don't think the flattening will ever come. No, because they need these people. They need them. And they can't just do it to Iran. You know, and you have to give it.

You have to give it to Hitler. He wanted. I heard in that silence there, you were thinking about the most shocking way to say that sentence. He wanted them out. He set up the, he put the Havar agreement into play. He would send Eichmann who knew, Eichmann who knew Hebrew, who was a known phylo-Semite in the, in the Jewish community in, in Germany would go back and forth to Israel to try to set him up and try to get it so that

all the Jews can get out and get them to Israel to Palestine. I mean, he tried. And wasn't there's somebody on the Palestinian side who was like, don't bring him here. And Hitler goes like, what am I going to do with them? He's like, I don't know. Just get rid of them. Don't do this to me. Isn't that a real conversation that happened?

But at least he tried to get them all out of there. I mean, the Jews are keeping these people here. I mean, they're keeping them, but not here, but there, right by them. They can get them. They could get them out. Well, the other, but this is, but the Israelis are clearly the dominant side in the conflict at this point. There's no moving them. That's the other thing.

There's no moving them at this point. The Israelis are the dominant side? yeah there's no way i mean out of the there's just they're there now yeah well nobody's moving them out and then you have to this plays into the bigger picture of i mean they're already saying well the six billion dollars that we gave that was given back to where is that a real number was okay six billion i thought you just came up with an approximate number I think I did. But it was like billions of dollars.

They're like, oh, we gave that back. We gave that back to Iran. And Iran just used that to buy 5,000 rockets and send it to Hamas. Yeah, they did it in three weeks. How do they do that? Yeah. What are the logistics on 5,000 rockets making it into a fucking prison? They hid them under a carpets and they trucked a bunch of carpet trucks across Israel into Palestine.

These guys made Stephen Paddock look like a... Yeah, for real. Get all those fucking guns up. But are you... Okay, but now I'm wondering, so here, we'll close this topic, but on it, I need to know. So are you, what are you more taken by?

Obviously, you're not taken by the idea that Palestine will be flattened. So are you saying this incident is sciopi, or are you saying all of the incidents are sciopi? or are you saying this incident is real, but in general, things are a sciop? I think this incident is real, but in general, most things are a sciob. I'm thinking things, there can be real events that happen and sciops that occur within them.

Okay. Yeah. And I mean, I just so much of this is like, I mean, it's like, oh, look at this picture of elderly people at a bus stop who were just gunned down. And I'm like, yeah, where did that come from? You know, and I was listening to a friend of mine talk about this today. And he's like, why would you want to live there? If you know that, yes, right.

If you know that there are these people in the country. Yes. You are your sworn enemy, quote unquote. Yes. Why would you want to? Why don't you live in Brooklyn? He also said right about now because most of the people who live there have houses in other parts of the world. Whenever something like this happens, 25% of the population leaves the country.

Is that real? Wow. Yeah. It's interesting that it seems that this event happened on the day of some sort of a peace concert. And I see, I mean, like a big focus has been a number of video. of a number of women attending that concert being kidnapped. And they've managed to pull up their Instagrams very quickly. Just interesting. I'm not saying this is real war.

Like war rape happens. Kidnappings happen. It's real. But it is interesting. Like, this is why I'm talking about student activist groups. There's thousands of fingers right now. Organizing, making posts, pulling things up from, the past actually having real connections to tragedies going there's such a gigantic apparatus

on both sides that is specifically meant to make listeners of this show not going to happen here but listeners of this show and others to have to make a decision on who's in the right here because either we're going to go to war on one side or we're going to do not i don't even know why anyone would support palestine in terms of actually thinking it's doing anything in this country But yeah, I don't know. It's a hell of a thing. There's definitely some fishy things that surround the issue. I actually saw somebody on Twitter Day claiming to be Jewish who was saying that, you know, basically that Palestine is in the process of basically increasing their influence around the world.

And I'm like, hmm, you mean like they're going to take over the banks? They're going to take over. Yeah, what influence? Yeah. What are you talking about? Well, propaganda is really the only area where they can win because of the number of hands you have doing the work is really how you win that game. Well, and Israeli Hasbara is some of the best propaganda out there because they- And that's one of the groups I was thinking of. Yeah. They make Christians in this country believe that the Jews are God's people when they killed my Lord.

Number two, reference two. Let's go. That's got to be the real segue in. All right. So I contacted you. Yeah, just. It's just a hell of a topic, Pete, to start talking about. After what we just did for 30 minutes, it's a hell of a topic. Because my goal, in my notes, literally, I'm going to go over to my notes page.

In my notes, it says, give me a second and pull up the notion page. I was like, I'm going to call this out right now. now because I knew this was going to happen. This is my investigative statement. Did the church teaching on usury remain consistent change, or did the church air? In short, is usury simply the lending of money at interest? Caution. It reads caution underneath. Don't mention the Jews. Because I didn't want to talk about. that group's relationship to the concept of usury, my interest was more in going to the history of how church doctrine appears to change over time. But when examined improperly, this change appears to be error rather than adaptation to conditions socially, economically, things that actually change. So I wanted to talk about that, but like you can't not. talk about the history of usury in Europe specifically because we're talking about the Catholic

perspective on usury, although I'm happy to, I have some citations for what other cultures and religions think about usury as well. In short, remains pretty bad. For anybody who doesn't know what usury is, we're going to come to develop a definition of that concept in the conversation, and we may not come to a conclusion that's satisfying because it's a hell of a topic, and it's 2,000 years as far as the church is concerned, plus longer before the church's literal establishment in the Old Testament. There's a lot of complexity around the concept of usury, and this is where, Pete, this is where it always really boils down to for me. I always try to make apologetic arguments from the perspective of language.

In our modern world, we use the term usury. Usury means something in Latin, and it doesn't just mean interest. In fact, it's a metaphor what it means, and we'll get into what that word actually means. But the point is, the subject of usury, and I'll explain what it is in a moment, for those who don't know, because it's hard to give you a definition knowing that that definition is going to change as we talk. but long story short church doctrine remains the same and yet because of changing conditions which are conditions that can change dramatically it appears as though the same traditions the same observance has also changed and somewhere

along the lines when that part happens there's also this mystical voice that some people who hate the church here which is we were wrong we're changing what we think. And that's almost all, in fact, I would argue there's probably, I would argue, Pete, there's probably four or five areas where this, when it comes to, and I'm not an apologist here, so I'm going to do my best. But there's about four or five areas where when people are talking about the church, they pick about four or five areas where the church has apparently changed its teaching on things. So one of them is

the changing of the authority of the church. So investiture is usually one thing where people for some reason say that it's changed. Another thing where people apparently say that the Catholic Church has changed its opinion

is on contraception. This is something you hear all the time. Humanavita was meant to clarify this. And it actually didn't clarify it for a lot of people who didn't want to hear it. And then another one is usury. And there's a couple of other ones. Another one is religious liberty, for instance.

Usory is one that people almost always point to when they go, actually the church's teachings are not only not fallible, but they actually go back on the opinion. So we're going to focus on just usury today because this was really, this became an issue in probably around the 1960s. or 70s, I would say. Actually, it goes back even further to the 50s now that I think about it. It actually, this whole, like, usury changed argument.

It didn't come from the Southern Baptist Conference. It didn't come from the Lutheran Synod. It didn't come from outside of the church at all. It actually came from inside of the church. The first widespread claim that the church changed its opinion on usury. I will now give a definition of usury, a very simple definition of usury, and this is the usury definition that you're probably going to find if you just Google it and look for a definition. And that definition is the practice usury is the practice of lending money and charging

the borrower interest, especially at an exorbitant or illegally high rate. Other definitions are an excessive or illegally high rate charged or any interest charged or paid on a loan. Now, I will say, as far as the church is concerned, none of those are the definition of usury, basically and shortly because those are all material definitions. They're all definitions which refer to other constructs, whether they be law or social governance, the feeling of the people. Long story short on this, the church has always basically defined usury

as the extraction of a premium or an extraction of profit beyond a premium on a title. That's it. So it's not just too long and short. It isn't, I give you $300. You got to give me $305 back because I suffered some damages along the way, and I can prove that, that's fine. It's if I give you $300, and for no other reason I say, now, when you give me the money back

in my hand, it has to be $315, no matter what. That's what Usory basically is defined as, biblically, like going all the way back, biblically, it's basically defined in that manner, that it is a premium, or it is a profit that goes beyond the premium. So that's the basics of this. In fact, you actually have some really interesting people who've spoken on this in church history. So you've got a name that everybody knows, St. Jerome. St. Jerome came out really strong against usury.

You've also got St. Ambrose, who gives a very strict definition. St. Ambrose actually denounced it as taking anything. on a loan whatever is added to the principle in any way. This is a very firm definition. Now, still say that that doesn't contradict. St. Jerome, as I was saying before, defines it similarly as whatever usury is, it must be when one collects more than what one has given. So there's a couple of things going on here. First of all, you really can't separate the dollar, the coin, the denar is what a lot of these groups were using at the time, denari. You can't really separate it from the economy.

But hold that thought. There's Augustine. It's in the laws. It's in Ezekiel. It's in Leviticus. It's in Deuteronomy. It's in Psalm 14. It's everywhere in the Old Testament.

No usury. There seems to only be one exception. In any of the early church councils, there is not one reference to prohibitions on usury as binding for all. So originally, it is claimed that the practice of usury was forbidden to clerics. In fact, in the Council of Nicaea, there's a very specific prohibition. that's set out. And it goes, if any of the clergy are found after this decision to receive interest by contract or in general to devise any other contrivance for the sake of dishonorable gain, then they shall be deposed from the clergy and their names shall be struck from the role.

So it becomes a universal prohibition, at least spoken out loud, at some point. But some people have dubiously claimed around 300 AD. Now, the reason why that's dubious is because there is no actual dated reference in the source. By the time that you get to a recognized prohibition on all members of the church is about the second ladder in council, which is in 1139 AD. So by 1139 AD, the church has already decided that such a practice as usury is despicable and blameworthy of divine and human laws. It is denounced in scripture, old and new. Namely, it is the ferocious greed of usurers.

And therefore, we sever them from every comfort of the church. Latterin 3, which happens a couple of years later, actually a couple is more like 40. This is where they deny burial to usurers. Further, by 1314, they were just basically not allowing bankers absolution because they couldn't necessarily prove that the interest that they were collecting was just in every single case. and so they had to be sinning. And so it just goes to show you there's a very vigorous hatred of taking more money than you've loaned out. And that happens, I mean, Jesus' own words are, you know, when you give a loan to one of my brothers, expect nothing in return.

And that's the standard of what a loan ought to be. And it's kept that way through the church. Now, the biggest criticism came from a man named John Nguyen. Noonan and John Noonan was a professor at Notre Dame and he was a judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals and he's

got a very very influential he's got a very influential say on how people in this country viewed usury and the church's doctrine. In fact he's probably done more damage to the idea that Catholics have in this country

on the infallibility of church doctrine than maybe anybody else. He's got a couple of essays. One of them is called the scholastic analysis of usury. He actually goes through, and he reinterprets, in my opinion, St. Thomas, in particular, on the matter of usury to say that Thomas had a more extreme opinion on usury

than he actually had. We can get into that in a bit. There's also another one, an interesting one called authority usury and contraception. so basically nunan is saying after this entire corpus of about 20 years of literature on how the catholic church changed its opinion on usury coming from the inside of the church no less he makes the point that since the church changed on that issue they should probably change on contraception as well and again this was important because humane vitae was released in 1968 which was a specific affirmation again against birth control in any form as at the time, all of the ones that were available at the time. So the broader implications are massive on this. And from the inside, actually, is where most of this change has come from.

So we're going to go through a couple of takes. So I will first try to outline the arguments of those who say that the church has indeed changed its mind. and then I'll get into the arguments for why the church has not changed its mind in any way. And along the way, I want to give a shout out to a brilliant writer who's helped, I mean, really cleared things up. I believe he's still alive. I hope he's still alive. A priest by the name of Father Gary Coulter. I believe he is in whatever diocese Waverly, Nebraska is covered. And he wrote a really great dissertation, not only on the subject of usury and how the church's opinion hasn't changed, but all the other things I listed before hasn't changed on religious liberty, hasn't changed on slavery, hasn't changed on contraception, hasn't changed on investiture.

So go check this guy's work out, because it's really awesome. Before I get into it, is there anything you want to add, Pete, or bring up, or any questions you have at the outset? No, really the one thing that I wanted right up front was the definition of usury and other definitions. When I think of even just simple interest, I think of like, say there's five people and the banker is creating, just starting his bank. and the five people each want to borrow $200 a piece so he prints out $1,000 and he says that they have to pay him back

8%. Right. So, and yes, they have to pay him back in a year. How would they do that? So that is by definition, I'll give you a spoiler, that is by definition usury and would be expressly forbidden under a proper Catholic theocracy.

Well, the reason why actually, we'll jump right into it. We'll jump right into it. So this is what's really interesting about it. The reason... Let me just say something real quick. Go ahead. Yes. Some people may not follow that.

They have to pay back 8%, but that money wasn't printed. Right. So that money doesn't... The interest doesn't exist. So just so people know this is something that was common when you talk about fractional reserve banking is more money is owed back to lending institutions than is in circulation. In the system. Yes. Yeah. So. Yes. Another interesting point on that I can't not say it, but Islam expressly forbids fractional reserve banking, like very early. In the Quran, there's a big reference.

about that it's actually really interesting. You can't put interest on anything. Muslims are forbidden, and this is explicitly interest. You are not allowed to extract interest or pay interest as a Muslim. What you must do is if you want to make money by giving someone money in Islam, you become a shareholder. It's an exact shareholder relationship. So if I give someone $500 and they profit from it, I'm owed a part of the profit. And if they take loss based on my $500, I'm actually also responsible for that.

And what's interesting is Islamic banking does a lot better than like Arab banking or like other forms of non-Islamic, traditionally Arabic banking. So I don't know if there's actually something to it, but there are systems that exist where there is no interest being extracted. And they grow very slowly, but they actually seem to grow better than what some of their neighbors are. But anyway, you had brought up the situation of a person expecting more money than they have given. And this is actually the crux of the entire argument here. I won't go through the conversation about papal infallibility. That's a totally different conversation, but it is important here for the defense.

However, the issue is really with the teaching that surrounds the practice of usury. And so the consensus pretty much of all the bishops, all the councils, every ordinary magisterium, which they can teach infallibly as well as the Pope can. There's a pretty united view around one reason why usury is wrong. Now, a lot of people are tempted to make the argument

that usury is wrong because it goes against the principle of charity and that it is greedy to expect more than what one has given. That's actually what John Calvin taught. John Calvin moved away from the traditional church definition, the scholastic definition, which was pretty much developed in the 1100s and has stayed that way since then. And the only reason why it was developed at that point,

I mean, you can see it much earlier. You see it all the way in Aristotle, and there's a reason for why it's outside of the church. But John Calvin actually is the one who did. departed from the idea and said instead, really what's immoral is expecting interest from poor people. Poor people can't pay that interest, so it's wrong to expect it of them. But if you're rich, you can collect that interest. It's fine. I wish I had the quote up here, but it actually comes from John Calvin, this idea that certain kinds of usury is okay.

It's really dependent on what's in the heart. It's called the spirit of the law, this type of argument. It's like what is the what is the emotionality of the law? Like what is in our hearts when we do this? But the traditional scholastic opinion on why usury is wrong is it's a, it goes all the way back to Aristotle. It's not even a divine principle. it's natural law. The idea is what you expressed, Pete,

which is that if I give you $300, money is not in itself productive. Money is an unproductive. They call it, Thomas Aquinas says, money is not fecund, meaning that it can't reproduce. So the basic idea is it's unnatural to try to ask for money

out of the giving of money. So if I give you $300 and I say you have to pay me back $330, this is the classic double spend that Thomas Aquinas highlights. It's illogical. It's unnatural because where are you going to get the other money from? How am I going to charge you money on something unproductive, which is the giving of a loan, which, by the way, the spirit of the law here is that really alone is viewed as a gift. If you actually look at what

Jesus says to not expect anything in return while giving, it's like the colloquial definition of a gift in any case. And so the giving of the money and then not just giving the money, but charging someone for that, giving them that money, is considered unnatural as it's double spending. So the doctrine is actually based on rational principle and where it, the area where it goes from there, the points of argument and the clarifications that get us up to the point of what we originally were going to read was the document, Wixpervinate. I don't know if it's Vickspervinate or Wixpervinant. But the doctrine itself is meant to clarify this issue because of the fact that money basically ended up changing over time,

like what it was changed over time. And so the doctrine had to be, it had to be finalized as a rationalistic principle and not a matter of like, well, you can't do it with a poor person because that's exploitative. If you do it with a rich person, it's fine. They're not really taking a loss that harms them.

The whole thing arises from the idea that money is not just the loan in itself, but also that there are circumstances in which the loan could be made where economic losses could occur on part of the lender. It's called emergent loss. It's called Domnum Emergems.

This was actually something that when the Lombards came into Italy, they practiced this kind of, banking. So when you actually go back and you look at Roman law, there's no such thing as banking as we would understand it. It was more like pawnbrokering, that banking was more a matter of pawn brokering. When the Lombards come in, I think it's a Germanic concept, that it's not just the money that is itself lent, but also that the lender, if they suffer any damages in any way while that loan is made, then it provides a justified title for taking something above that amount lent.

So, first of all, there's a misconception about who got to practice usury in Europe. So firstly, the Lombards did, mainly. But as the church gains power, the church is able to express through secular law, more firm prohibitions against this type of lending. And it ends up being mostly just Jews who can lend the money out because the secular laws had recognized that Jews were not held under the covenant and therefore they weren't prevented in the same way. You know, they already weren't I mean, they already were not in a state of grace. And so it's, it's a, they're, they are permitted secularly and the church really has nothing to say because it's a it's a different

religion so they were given basically free reign uh to charge very high interest on loans and what ended up happening was and this you get probably from about the years 800 through 1200 um the the the jews who are working as money lenders are making like pretty good returns because they're functioning outside of a competition other than among other Jews. And at some point, so much debt is accrued that eventually the Jews have no more money left on large. And most of them have to go into like, you know, weaving together secondhand clothing and making alcohol and stuff. And that happens by about this 1500s. So, it's a whole weird history of who got to do usury and who didn't get to do usury and like jews were

one small period of time in the entire history of it because they got cleaned out within a couple hundred years and the ones who didn't get cleaned out ended up making different investments like in the medici bank and things like that so anyway it's important to just recognize the ethnic climate uh around usury and because i don't really think it is more of a modern reconstruction that like jews were vicious usurers uh in europe it was a very it was a very it was a really one period of time and then most of them were put out of business and then by the way plenty of people just didn't abide by the religious laws and the secular laws didn't enforce anything against them so it's it's it's more complicated than just

the reason why a jews are in banking today is because they had a head start because they really, like, didn't have a head start, at least in the modern era. So, by the 12th century in Europe, for all practical purposes, some say that usury meant an unjust charge, and not just any charge. But as we've gone through it, the canon really doesn't support this. So the nature of the sin usury, as we've established, is specifically in loans. So it's a financial contract where one consenting party demands the money, the other consentee party demands the payback, and so one is giving as much as one receives. And so the sin rests on the fact that the creditor desires more than what he has given.

So Pope Benedict the 14th who wrote the encyclical of expervinate, that's what he writes in there, is that it is a matter of his contention that he is owed more than what he has given. That is illogical, and that is why it is sinful. So those who claim that the church has changed its teaching, you will find if you look through scholastic literature, I promise you no difference between what Thomas Aquinas says on the subject and what is written by Benedict the 14th on the matter. And that is at least a 700 year span of time. So we have to just go back a little bit further. The reason why we can't just speak of money in the manner in which they would be able to speak of money in the year 1,000,

AD is probably above my pay grade, but I'm going to try it here. In fact, I'll turn it over to Hilar Belloc. Have you ever read Belloc? Are you at that phase of Catholicism yet? The Belloc and Chesterton phase, Pete? Obviously, there's one book of Bellocks that interests me more than any other times. There's other books.

That kind of also touched on the same subject. A friend of mine sent me yesterday. Well, he told me to read. And I started, I started listening to it through the Speechify app. Which one is it? Oh, I can't remember what the, no, he sends it to me on, it's on YouTube. And it's, what is it called? Give me one side.

The servile state. Okay. Yes. And I started listening to that. He's a great writer. You will enjoy him. he came around at a time when I don't want to call it socialism but there there was in distributism which he and Chesterton both you could definitely

say they outlined programs for this it was important for them to address the state of the modern banking industry So I already explained that in Rome, the banking industry was basically pawn brokering so that if someone was going to give you money, you had to put something up as collateral. And I mean, it wouldn't just be money. Why would you give the same amount of money as you would take? It's ridiculous. So pretty much entirely worked based off of collateral. So the difference is Catholic teaching is now more or less ignored by the modern people.

banking industry. It's because the modern world is organized on the principle that money actually breeds money, totally different than the money in Thomas Aquinas' time. So Bellick makes the distinction that interest can't be taken on a consumption loan, which is just any loan for purchasing a thing, but that interest can be morally charged in the case of production or investment. Because, productive loans are a form of partnership. So Bellick makes a distinction which Aquinas just wasn't concerned with, which is what the borrower actually does with the loan.

So I explained before that it was Calvin who defined usury as sinful only in the case where it hurts a person. I think I have the quote here that you might have been looking for. It was, yes, of course, the majority of our. lending should be to the poor with no hope of return. I'm just saying that loans at interest to the rich are not completely forbidden. They are the exceptions to the rule to be sure, but a permissible exception. There you go. Yes.

And so it attaches to the argument from what the lender is doing, like what their intention is. There's also Jacques Mauritian. I have never said his name out loud, so I hope that that's the correct pronunciation of it. Mauritian's argument is where we finally get, in my opinion, where we finally get back to the question of, did the church actually change its doctrine or did the circumstances change? So Mauritian's argument is the economic one, that the nature of money does not allow it to intrinsically grow.

So he follows Aquinas and Aristotle before him that. Money lending and interest isn't sinful in today's circumstances. So it is a controversial point. Pope Leo touches on this a little bit, and then I'll go back to Mauritian, but Pope Leo says, a devouring usury, although often condemned by the church, but practiced nevertheless under another form by avaricious and grasping men has increased. The whole process of production as well as trade in every kind of goods has been brought almost entirely under the power of a few,

so that very few rich and exceedingly rich men have laid a yoke almost of slavery on the unnumbered masses of non-owning workers. So the legitimate problem is that loans themselves present problems with society. The banking system, therefore it's not intrinsically sinful or evil. There's a misuse when it is driven by materialism and by profit. So St. Thomas Aquinas is the one who recognizes that economic activity always needs to be viewed within a large, scheme temporal goods he says are subject to man that he may use them according to his needs not that he may place his end in them and be over solicitous about

them so for Thomas all material goods all private property and the exchange in any case of transactions are governed by the teleological view that final destiny of all humanity for Thomas Aquinas for the scholastic case, the pursuit of material welfare is not to be regarded as an end in itself, but as a means to achieve the greatest good of salvation, specifically. This is in line with the church's teaching entirely in regards to money. How ought a man use his possessions? It's the question. The church replies every time with, the man ought not regard his external goods as his own, but as common so in the fact that a person should readily share them when he sees another

in need. The purpose of money and loans, like all material goods, is the advancement and perfection of all men, and not just for personal gain and profit. That is a repeated Catholic opinion over the histories, throughout the histories, and for many it is very controversial. But, our point here in bringing it up is that it talks about the forbidding of the taking of all usury. In this statement, the idea is that usury is to take specifically for personal gain and profit, not to recover loss, not to use in the form of investment, but the church has consistently denied taking anything above the principle on a loan simply because of the loan. The church did always allow the taking of interest when there was a just title for it.

So obviously the church is going to forbid any excessive charges. This is clear. But it is not correct to say that the church forbade interest entirely. Only interest when one has no legitimate reason to take it. So this is the key argument that people have for whether or not they've changed the teaching. And the issue is that, and you actually already brought it up, Pete, one strong criticism of like even, can we even have the conversation of whether or not money as we use it means the same thing as it did to the medalists of the year 1100 AD. The problem is modern practices in banks

make loans that they don't have the deposits for. Dempsey, there's a guy named Dempsey. I never got his first name, but I got the citation for him. Give me a second while I find his name. Okay, yes. James Dempsey. There's several arguments about the idea of credit creation he's a Catholic theologian, and that the modern banking system is guilty by scholastic standards

of institutional usury, and that in the creation of credit, a bank doesn't suffer any loss, but it makes a profit from the credit creation. And so it seems that one would be able to say, when such newly issued money is loaned out without cost to the lender, that is clearly used. Eucerous. So you go back and forth on the matter of whether or not the church has always taught the same thing about usury. And long story short, interest on loans has been accepted from the Council of Nicaea all the way through to, I mean, the latest references like the Code of Canon Law from 2013, I think is when it was most recently republished. There's a consistent stance. against usury. And let's go back just to the beginning of this on the meaning of the word usury. Usory comes from the Latin, usum, which means to use. If you go all the way to Aquinas, right there in the middle of the time period between the start of the church's opinion and right now, Thomas Aquinas says that what is wrong about collecting interest is that you are charging someone to

use the money that you just gave them and that it is illogical it wraps all the way back into Aquinas and it has for a thousand years yeah i mean it it's logical it's like why who came up with the idea that if you lend somebody money they have to give you more back than they lends then they yeah right it's and we're actually where there where is the logic in that is there is there doesn't seem to be any logic in it at all if you lend somebody um you know if i lend somebody a court of blueberries i don't expect like a half a gallon of blueberries yes right in fact it would be insane to expect that it would be completely illogical and insane but somehow when it comes to money currency whatever anybody wants to call it

then it's perfectly acceptable. Why? So the nature of money, that's the other thing that, I mean, boggles my mind, money itself has changed. It's like it's not just the object that allows for the exchange to occur in a transaction. So even though that's still the basic function, now money represents

like changes in capital so like you know hold on to your money hold on to your hundred bucks for a month a year actually in the buying regime 12 days and it will be

the buying power will be worth less dramatically in some cases so the merely holding money as the money that we have available to us merely holding money in itself is expensive. So giving someone that kind of money is pretty expensive to do. And the church has never condemned the need to recover the amount of money that one has given out, that we established that. The difference is that in today's economy, if you give a certain amount of money out, You need to recover more because the second that you've given it out, there's a loss has been accrued.

So the Catholic Church has always taught that that is okay because it is an extrinsic quality. The money has suffered from an extrinsic problem. The issue has always been. Scalastically, you cannot charge for giving money out because there's no intrinsic reason to. it's already the medium of exchange. You cannot expect more back. But even in the case of the 10,000 blueberries, Pete, if I have the 10,000 blueberries and I'm doing whatever I want with them,

but some of them kind of like rot along the way, I couldn't give them back to you anyway. So you kind of just have to accept that there would be some loss accrued. But with money, this is, its very nature now, is that it just loses value like day by day, hour by hour. It's not pegged to anything anymore. In fact, it's pegged to fake stuff now.

So the church had to very quickly understand where the doctrine landed on this. And of course, from inside of the Catholic Church, just the mere environmental change that has occurred was enough to cause a massive problem in the church in terms of people questioning

if the church has changed its doctrine. More often it is because the circumstance around the doctrine has changed. So it ends up being that really like in the modern world, usury has to be defined in that like, okay, well, it has to be the intent of the lender to extract profit,

which by the way, happens all the fucking time still, by the way. But we're not even talking about the same object as the scholastics were talking about in terms of money. Money actually used to be pegged to physical things. It had to be. Now they put the numbers in and the numbers mean nothing and it's really just who gets the bluff called on them first.

It's all fake stuff. So usury still exists. Pete, if I gave you something that I valued at the same amount that you value it, but I expected you to return, if I gave you a bottle of one, and I gave you the bottle of wine to do whatever you wanted to do with it. That's a gift to you. I can't expect you to then next week.

I got to have a little bit of that wine myself. So make sure you put some in a cup for me to take back. I haven't given you the full wine in that case. I've given you all the wine but a cup. And that's what interest really expects is that I give you the bottle of wine. Now next week you have to give me a bottle of wine back, plus a little more wine from the bottle I gave you. you. It's really vicious when you think about just the idea of usury, and it's hard to even

do that in today's world when money means nothing. You have to think about it analogously in terms of goods. Let me give you some other religions and what they think about usury. so there are dozens of references in Hinduism and Buddhism against usury there's in fact one reference in Buddhism about how usury taints the soul with darkness which I love that quote I think that's really great there is in Christianity of course there is Proverbs 288 he who increases in wealth by exorbitant interest amasses it for another who will be kind to the poor. Then you have Leviticus 2536.

Take no interest from him or profit, but fear your God that your brother may live beside you. You shall not lend him your money at interest, nor give him your food for profit. You have it in Deuteronomy. You have it all over the place in the Bible. You have it in Islam. Sir al-Bakari,

I don't even know how to read their numbers, dude. Two, two, seven, five. Those who devour usury will not stand except as one who the devil has confounded. Basically, in Islam, actually, I think Islam really has been the most declarative out of pretty much every religion on why usury is bad because of that exact quote, which is more or less, if you want to take usury, you're basically insane. You're basically the devil has taken you over and you're insane. And I just, I love the moxing on that.

In Judaism, we're very familiar with Jewish law prescribing interest-free loans for loans made to other Jews. We had to get to the Jews. It is a key experience in Europe all over time. And I think Maimonides is the one who at best explains the origin for why Jews can give money to some interest-free, but not necessarily to all. It's pretty simple. It comes from Deuteronomy. Do not give your brother your money with interest. You may, however, charge interest to a Gentile. In that statement, Maimonides acknowledges that while the charging of interest is prohibited between Jews, it is permissible in a transaction between a Jew and a non-Jew. Maimonides reiterates that this stance is also found in the Talmud as well.

It enabled Jews to lend money all throughout Europe as a profession. So the interesting thing here is, here's the quote, let's just judge for yourself. It is a positive commandment of the Torah to lend money to a poor person among the the Jewish people. It is even a greater mitzvah than charity. Even though it is a great mitzvah to lend money to a poor person, one should be careful to lend to him in a manner in which the lender will not lose the principle. What is implied? If the borrower is an established person, one may lend to him money on the basis of a promissory note. So even in Judaism, against lending money to anybody in a predatory way.

But if you're lending money to a rich guy, get what you can out of them. And that, that's the Calvinist opinion too. And I just find that great. So pretty much in every religion, it is viewed as extremely vile. And the level of rape and murder in the case, when you actually look, at least in the medieval European punishments in both secular and religious court for usury. These are like death in a lot of cases, especially if it's enough money. Like the Bernie Madoff scheme, that's a death sentence for you right there.

All the way down to like excommunication, which is still pretty dramatic. But it, you know, there's a lot of lines between there. So it's always been treated as a big no-no. and the relationship between European Catholics and European Jews on money lending is a lot more complicated than just that traditional story that we hear. But at the same time, I just read out there are some Calvinist views about lending money that go around. And that causes a lot of ire in Europe. there are a number of pogroms that are led on the topic of interest and in fact the Jews are expelled from England specifically because of the issue of usury. So it is a big issue throughout European history.

And that about wraps us up on the history of us usury in Europe. Well, it's there were a lot of discussions about this. I remember learning this in, we went up. over this in seminary. Just remind everybody I went to a Protestant seminary. Calvinist, right? Yeah, yeah, reformed. And there were big debates because it's like, well, do we allow you, siri, because it is

forbidden in the Bible. And there were fights for for centuries, you know, for a couple centuries over this. But eventually they gave in. Eventually, they gave in. and, you know, if you go into the average Protestant church right now, I'm a Baptist church, just say that because, you know, I live in a county that, I live in a town of 2,500 people, less than 2,500 people, and there's probably like 20 Baptist churches, which makes no sense.

But the, if you go in there and you start preaching that usury is evil, you're going to get called the communist. Yeah, and a couple of other things, too, probably. Yeah. Yeah, that's really interesting. And, of course, you know, the Catholic opinion, like, teleology is very strong in Catholic philosophy. It means everything, in fact. It is quite literally the divine plan that unfolds in every person.

It frequently is called basically socialist, basically communist, basically communists. because it talks about like private property has to be oriented towards you know not just you so there's there's some there's some big differences among christian denominations in how to use use you but i will say this um for the kj the kjv onlyist uh group most kjv onlyists uh acknowledge that like it isn't really kjv only because the latin translation is also a perfect translation. It's just that they can't speak Latin. If you go back to the Latin translation, the Vulgate, the original translation, from the manuscripts that weren't kept together, which is St. Jerome's work,

who is my patron saint, so shout out. He picks the word usury for a reason, because it very specifically refers to charging for the use of something already given. that is the original definition in the vulgate used by the choice of the word specifically go all the way past Vatican 2 it's the same definition used every time if you're charging for the use of something beyond the principle that is immoral it hasn't changed at all I wanted to show you something. I don't know if you saw it on the timeline today,

but I thought it was pretty good. You see it? Yes. Okay. Let me pull it up. Oh, yes. Pastor Bob Berries his last copy of the King James Bible in the year 306, right before Emperor Constantine's

benchman taken away for preaching the true faith. Only when the King James version of the Bible was rediscovered 12 hundred years later, did Christianity reemerge. And inshallah, brother, because I really like that. I really like that idea. And for those who are just listening, this takes place for the year 306. He's in a,

great. He's in a light blue suit with a tie, white shirt. Perfect. Brill cream in the hair. Total pastor hair The total Southern Baptist pastor hair And truly one of the funniest things I've seen And behind him there are Roman soldiers

It's It's an interesting thing That Eusory is so deeply reviled By basically every group But they all have different reasons for hating it Some people call it unjust, and the problem with calling it unjust is that you stake your opinion to whatever time period and circumstance is based on the idea of justice. You know, not like a postmodern point about how there's no truth or anything, but to me, the argument that makes the most sense, Pete, is the one that you pulled up right at the beginning, which is doesn't even make sense. how could you ask for more than you've given?

Where are they going to get it from? Where is it coming from? That's the best argument against usury just because it will never change over time. And it was an argument that was made in that movie, Zytegeist. Yeah. Of course, Zytegeist was a highly left-wing kind of. That's the one that unlocked all the stories about,

Amun Ra and Jesus Christ, right? Man, those were the days when I used to watch stuff like that on TV. It was so easy, like the all the, oh, all the crucifieds, I mean, that's so easy to dispel to. to. I think that movie like gave

birth to the new atheist movement. Like the really, at least the baby boomer generation of it. Yeah. So there was, they pointed that out in there. So obviously, like I said, you start bringing this up. And if you bring this up in a Baptist church,

you're going to probably get called the commie and all bunch of other things. Anti-C. might. Yeah, while people are sitting there, you know, if you, the average person, like say the average person has a $120,000 loan on their house. And they took out the loan at 7%. If you, like, say that you send in $200 more a month to apply toward the principal. On average, you could probably just do a math of my head.

You could probably get it paid off in 17 years and save yourself roughly $85 to $8,000 to $90,000 in interest. Jesus. Okay, on a loan of $120,000. So if you take a loan for $120,000 down and just call it $100,000. thousand you put $5,000 down that 95,000 that you're paying back, you're probably paying back if it takes you all 30 years, 210,000 to 220,000. Yeah. It's, it is, it is, uh, you see what it does, what the result of it is. And you understand that when people say things are irrational or

insane and, and those claims are really true, and especially in this case, it really is, destructive when you look at it in real life. You really will know, you really will know it by its fruit when you actually see what interest does to people. When you, when you look at it and when you realize that all of the debt that's in the world can never be paid off, not not everybody, but the majority of those people who, now, of course, you can choose never to take a loan out. I mean, yeah, you can. Yeah, it's an offer that you've accepted. You realize that anybody who's entered into that system that most of the people are going to end up just basically being slaves to that system for. Yeah, most people fall into that system. They don't

like even make the conscious choice to. Like, if you have taken student loans, you're like an idiot child when you sign that contract over. So a lot of people don't even enter that machine in a sane capacity. Yeah. And the last thing that they're going to hate, Pete, by the way, the last thing that they're going to hate, this is real globalist nonsense. Pope Leo the 10th defined usury as profit from a thing which produces nothing. Same definition, right?

but the issue is modern economies have like investment opportunities and so money is something that isn't just barren anymore money can actually be used productively so he basically suggested you know what we should probably do let's just have a jubilee let's just forgive everybody's loans i was i had that written down because that is something that's in the old testament that Jews know, the Jews knew about, know about, they learn about it, especially if they go to yeshiva, they learn about it. If they study the Torah, they know about it. The Jubilee is something that is biblical. But that's another thing. It sounds like, that sounds like communism to me, buddy. Well, a lot of people who levy that claim really aren't Christians anyway, so I don't

expect them not to say that. Right. Well, I mean, a lot of them are sitting in pews in our own church. Yeah, I know what I said. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's it's it's money is more complicated than just being like yes or no on it, especially because money is not. I mean, only a Marxist thinks that this relationship hasn't changed over time.

And even there, the economy has changed. just not the, just not the, the cash. I, I just contend, like, the cash also changed. Like, the, the medium of exchange that we have access to has intrinsically changed over time. It's not the same thing as it was when Aristotle was kicking around in his sandals. It's a totally different object now. Totally different object. Yeah. Yeah, and, yeah, I think back to, like how how callous libertarians

can be about a lot of things back on the libertarian They're gonna hate this episode They're gonna hate this episode They're gonna hate this episode I mean we're talking about religion So I've lost so many listeners already Bird is a dumb app

Purr doesn't understand economics which You're right Oh believe me I understand Believe me I studied that bullshit I remember, I remember like five, six years ago, we'd be in the chat and you just be like, I'd be talking about economics, you'd be like, fake and gay, dude. It is. Yeah.

And it is. And I got, I've gotten to the point where I'm like, it is fake and fucking gay. That's, that is the actual Catholic opinion. Yeah. It's not only faking gay. I mean, it is pretty much evil. It is used for evil like, I mean, pretty much like everything else. Yeah.

Everything else at this point. Yep. It's used as a weapon. Yes. Yeah. So, well, story short, church didn't change its opinion. Apologetics. Done.

Well, what I was going to say is conservatives and boomers, they sound just as callous as libertarians who are like retards about everything. When they're like, well, you took out the loan when you were. Yeah. Oh, you knew what you were doing, buddy. and these fucking boomers who were just sitting they bought a house they bought a house for the fucking gold standard got friggin got taken away for $16,000 then all of a sudden over the next 15 years it go you know frigging quadruples and even more and it's like well I made good decisions

I was a high school teacher and I bought this house a bunch of that boomer shit is i mean people just do not understand just exactly how every basically this whole system is designed to yes benefit a few i think you should be a little bit more fair to the libertarians who really also want the jubilee because there's some libertarians who are like yeah dude that's exactly what we need to collapse this entire fake money system and that is that is the consistently correct libertarian

opinion to have yeah but yeah i i really i really have no problem with that i just i i a lot of people are going to get hurt if there's collapse oh everybody will get yes everybody's going to get hurt yeah for sure but luckily they will always have the news to listen to oh yeah you'll always have the news All right. Ose Gaylords. That's a great way to end this one is Adios Gaylords.

That's It still makes my wife laugh Every time she hears. I think she's laughing at me. She goes, She's like, You guys are so retarded. Yeah.

That's why they pay me the big bucks. Oh, listen. Can I talk to your listeners for a second? I want to talk to your listeners. listeners, if I said something inaccurate or wrong, go fuck yourselves. I don't want to hear about it. That is just basically, that's pretty much how I've gotten, I've come to the point.

It's like I like, when I look at comments on like, you know, post a video on Rumble, post a video on, or post the audio. like you'll get comments on Spotify every once in a while. Most of the comments I'm looking at and I'm like, yeah, thank you. Yeah, that's good. And then everyone's calling you. You get this comment about, you're a douche. You don't know anything. Is Thomas going to say literally or like?

Like, how many times is he going to say that in one sentence? And I'm like, go fuck. As many, as many times as he fucking needs to. that's how many that guy is a once in a lifetime generational genius shut up about his cadence it's fine

and I'm literally like literally like literally like go fuck yourself you write it eight times you write the word literally in go fuck yourselves literally go fuck yourselves

like well you know what I suspect that considering that I probably think 90% of the TLE audience came to TLE through you. I suspect that your audience is largely going to be on my side, even if I don't tell the truth, because a lot of them are probably hopping on every Wednesday to hear me not tell the truth about anything anyway.

So I think we're fine. Well, you can, I'm not lying, because you know my wife would not tell a lie. You can ask her next time you see her. Like as soon as you guys episode drop, I'm listening to it. Especially if we're driving somewhere in the car, I'm like, oh, we got something to listen to. She's like, who?

I'm like, oh, you know, it's Wednesday. She's like, oh, yeah. It's Wednesday, followed by, oh, right, yeah. A lot of people listen to our show as an addiction. They don't like it. They just have to listen to it. They hate listen, just like a fucking bird piece of shit. Yeah.

they get so mad at me why doesn't erin show up all the time car is the only one that makes any sense really nothing's changed from the first episode then that's that's why that's why it's consistent i can honestly say this and i know you can't say it about my show because i'm almost at a thousand episodes and i don't really care i've listened to every single episode you guys are ever done that's so great dude i'm so happy to hear that it's like yeah how would i know half of the fucking references. Yeah, that's right. That's right.

Well, we, Carr and I, I'm actually putting an, when does this go out? Do you have a set date? I might, this might be going out. I might put this out tomorrow

because of the time of it and everything. So the day that this goes out, I'm also putting out a recording that Car Campit and I did on, on the over the line. And that was one of the subjects that matters. No. I'm waiting for this is

Have you done that one yet? I haven't But well, because I know that I know that Contragetin Celes did it So it's like there's no way I can do it as good as they could Okay Yeah, I've never even thought to read into it at all Yeah

Yeah Now I want to read the Belloc book on On the Jews That looks great. Belloc is a really interesting guy like if if Tolkien had I love Tolkien but if Tolkien had like balls

it's the same style of writing it's a it's good well and also Bella Bellock had a I mean he's a good looking guy with a physiognomy of a Roman god yeah he's a he's a regular Jeremy Kubas dude

he's a quarter black he's a quarter black Jeremy will never fail to bring up that he's a quarter black, but I'm not convinced every time I hear it. I think he's just saying that. Yes, that's what he's, yes, yes. I'm just going to say yes. It has to be what it is.

All right, man. Take care. Peace. The ills of being a podcaster, yeah. Now that I'm on my emergency job. generator because I still have no power. But yeah. And what's funny is I could have just unplugged and plugged that in while I was doing that,

but I didn't think to because I'm retarded. That's okay. So let's start here. What were the topics you wanted to talk about? Well, there's some pretty interesting news topics going around. As you know, I'm a professional news guy. I am paid to tell people the news. There's a certain amount of things that I have to save for my own podcast.

Go check out timeline earth. But I managed to collect a couple of things that may be interesting to you here and now. The first thing that I wanted to talk about with you, Pete, was the recent news of UNC trustees axing DEI and boosting the campus police. Have you heard about this? Yeah, so they took Chris Rufo's championing it saying, pretending like he has something to do with it again. Maybe he does.

I don't know. Anything that happens on campus, it changes. It's to his credit. He was taking credit for Harvard, not like Bill Ackman was the one responsible for what happened at Harvard. But yeah, apparently they cut their Department of DEI and transferred that funding

over to the Po Poe Poe. From what I understand, Chris Rupo had nothing to do with it at all. He's just, he is the king of taking unearned victory laps. I mean, that is sort of the whole DeSantis squat when you think about it. They kind of have made their bones on like other people doing the hard work and then taking the credit for it. I like that you brought up Bill Ackman. Bill Ackman is the real reason why this is happening, like you said, across multiple college campuses.

It has nothing to do. with like the, I don't even know, I used to like Rufo and I still appreciate what Rufo has done in the past, but it is very clear that at the present moment, Christopher Rufo is one of those cardboard cutouts that you take a picture in front of. And really, the guy who's running the show is behind the counter somewhere. That's the guy who's really running the show. And Rufo is the guy that everybody can point at as the scapegoat that the left needs. Oh, it's this guy. When it's very clear that the Ackman cartel is, and that's what I'm going to call it, is running the show here because just like with the TikTok ban, the second

that things started to get out of line, they were able to finally pull the cord on the things that, you know, guys like Rufo up to a few years ago were able to put, wanted to pull the cord on. And I don't know how they, they were not able to pull the cord. And then the second that Bill Ackman and his crew get offended, they can pull the cords whenever they want. What is stunning to me is, and you've been on this for a long time, I have not properly studied the application of power in politics and really in, like, private business. But it's incredible to me how quickly changes can be made by people who hold power. because the concept for me was like,

I'm trying to think of the last guy that I liked that had power. It was Trump. And if you really think about what Trump could have done versus what was done, either he didn't have the power or I was just dumb enough to think that he was going to use the power in the ways that I wanted. It's probably a little bit of both of those things.

So it's really amazing to see how effective power actually is, how quick it is, at actually manipulating the environmental circumstances. Now, I think at this point the cat is out of the bag, and when you have the left and the right are now unified on an issue, which is anti-Zionism, which was always quietly a point of unity, but is now very loudly a point of unity between these two groups. I don't think it's significant enough to build a bridge between the right and the left that's general enough to counteract the power that these elites have. But it is really amazing to see that when power really needed to be applied, it was applied immediately and fairly effectively.

Now, long-term effect of the TikTok ban, for one thing. The implementation of the anti-Semitism rules on college campuses. That's the second thing. The consideration of the anti-Semitism bill that is going to, to be proposed to the House of Representatives very soon here. I forget what the name of it is, but I'm sure you've heard about this. It's based off of the Holocaust Remembrance or something like that. Yeah, you mean that sounds right. Yeah, it's based off of the Holocaust Remembrance Organization's definition of anti-Semitism. You have individual states who have been very effective

at implementing policy, which is certainly going to be challenged in courts, but it's remember that while it's being challenged in courts, it's still a question at hand that can ruin people's lives. So even though a stay will be ordered on that rule, because ultimately, I don't think the vast majority of the American public and the judges in this country who, it's amazing how out of all of the branches of government we have, the judges seem to be the most willing to apply the law from a fair standard. which is rarely done to begin with, but it's amazing how quickly all of these things were lined up, shot out of the cannon. And we, we, not just you and I, but the right generally, and especially the right, which excludes Zionism, has been seemingly unable to do anything in that regard, even though we have a large population. We also have allies on the left, but we have very few positions of power. Then I think we can thank, I mean, this was 10 to 15 years of the neo-conservatives

working extremely hard to put their guys in power. And, I mean, even to the point where, to the point where every single representative in the country is more willing to tow the line on Zionism, than they are to serve their constituents and thereby risk re-election. My thought on it is I happen to think a lot of these representatives who are risking their re-election because of the dissent of the people who voted them in because I would say probably what, 40% of America at this point is anti-Zionist nominally, at the very least. It's a significant minority.

And I'm not saying that therefore 60% is not anti-Zionist. It's more like 60% doesn't really have an opinion on it. So it's a large group of people who've taken a fairly significant position, but the representatives seem perfectly fine to either ignore that, not expect repercussions for that, or simply not care. It does tell you that whatever the current political organization that we have is, there is no incentive for representatives to do what the people say. it's about who's going to give me the most money right here and right now. And then after I'm done getting the money that I need to from the donors that I have, either they'll reinstantiate me in power because I guess they control the votes too. Or I'll get kicked out, but then I'll get a cushy job at some media organization

or as some trusted advisor to a newspaper or something like that. And I'll go another 10 years doing that. And then I'll slowly take my retirement or fade into obscurity. And that seems to be what is motivating people, at least in the halls of Congress, to do this. Or rather, I should say, that is more of an incentive than is serving the constituents. Now, this is probably obvious to a lot of people who have listened to your show. You've been talking about this for a long time. But there is a huge amount of people in this country who still believe in the effectiveness of the political process.

I don't know why. But this has to serve if you're out there and you're talking to ordinary people. people, you have to lay it out like this. You have to go, isn't it interesting that there's a bill in Congress right now, which is considering a redefinition of the term anti-Semitism, so as to be able to apply hate crime statutes to certain crimes based on really meager standards? And then also, isn't it really interesting that basically every college campus in this country, all of the students on the college campuses, students are, students are a class of society who have led just about every revolution in history, that on these college campuses, they have no power to affect change

in the way that they have in other situations. Oh, yeah, also, isn't it really interesting that besides legislation and besides the inability for students to make a push on anything, we also have rules being instantiated into college campuses, which actually make it, which basically make it impossible to stand against Israel without risking your college career for it. You used to be able to do that before. I went to Queens College. In Queens College is a very diverse group of people. It was amazing to me. I was in an international relations class. And it's amazing to see Muslims and Jews just going at it with one another in an international relations class. Such a conversation would no longer be able to occur because the Muslims

would be silenced from taking their standard position. In fact, they would have even be liable to be kicked off of the campus. And so unlike the legislation, which will probably not pass, but will be halted, the, the, the things that are happening on college campuses will not be challenged. These are, these are rules that are already rolled into the standardized anti-hate, what should I say, the anti-hate rulebook that most colleges already have, they've just rolled this into it. Except they're pretty ineffective at, at, at, um, they seem to be pretty ineffective, at least from my personal college experience, and actually kicking people out of school unless it's a very particular kind of hate expressed.

The anti-Semitism college laws that are being put into place, I'm just going to call them laws, rules. I don't really know what they're called. These are so broadly defined that it actually has the ability to stifle the conversation entirely on a college campus unless somebody's willing to risk their college career. The good thing is college doesn't mean anything anymore. And just about most people realize that. It's extremely expensive. Most people realize that, unfortunately, out of the Muslims who are in college right now, a good portion of the Muslims who are in college right now who are really leading the fight against Zionism, a lot of them are foreigners.

They come into this country for the education, then they go back to their countries with the hopes of applying that education to make their own countries better. They will be prevented now from doing that, which is one of the things that if actually we get some people over to other countries who have better education, maybe we have to stop. babying all of these countries as Americans. So we're not going to be able to do that now. And it's just a, it's incredible all of the things that were very quickly deployed and effectively, at least effectively deployed and implemented to the point where they probably will be challenged in court, but that is still going to ruin a significant number of lives. And you have to think about it this way.

The question is it really, will these things become law today? It's will they become a law in 30 years? Because if the trend keeps going the way that it's going, they will become law in 30 years. And the second question is if you're still skeptical about that, maybe they don't become laws ever. Maybe these are like temporary measures. Everybody knows they're going to be thrown out of court. But the problem is they're going to ruin lives along the way. Being pulled into a, you know, let's say you get into a fight at a bar over a conversation like this.

you are liable to be charged with a hate crime. And even though if that is challenged in your state's court, your case will be on hold until a decision is made. You're not off the hook until a decision is made. And so your life is effectively stalled until that point. And further, even if these things are eventually wiped away, just like what they've always done with student protesters, it's similar to the way that they will arrest student protesters.

protesters who haven't done anything wrong just to get them off of the campus. That is what these measures will do whether or not they are challenged in court. They will get people away from the situation for long enough to stamp the fire out. And it's all being done very effectively and implemented very effectively. So what do you think about all that? Leaving aside the fact that there are paid protesters on the campuses, let's just concentrate on the ones that are organic. I think we can both agree that we grew up in an age where, for better or for worse,

I'm not saying it's good or bad, that being able to protest on a college campus is a right of passage. And it just is. And it seems like at this point, they could shut down any protest by having someone to infiltrate and just say, you know, like kill all the blanks. Yeah. So. Yeah. Yeah.

And I mean, these protesters, I'm not deluded into thinking these protesters are my friends. We have anything in common. I don't believe that they're the future elites. I believe that a, you know, people from a frat who it has been proven that a couple of these frats, the one in North Carolina and the one. one in California, UCLA, were paid, most likely by Bill Ackman, to go in there and do what they do what they did. And it seems like the one in Old Miss wasn't paid. They just went out there and mocked because they're the ones that end up getting in trouble and no one has their back.

Then it looks like this is just basically what this could end up doing is basically shutting down any kind of process in the future on college campus. what that will do, and maybe this is the Zionist right, taking control of the campus, is it will make it so that you can't process on campus, and now we have to go through and look at all of the curriculum to make sure that none of it is anti-Semitic. I forgot about that part. That's right. In the legislation, so it isn't just about the implementation of laws. In that legislation,

it is included, that there's going to be a vast review of exactly what you said. And that is the real key. The data mining is the real key. Because at present, these institutions really don't have an easy way to scan the entirety of what's being taught in college in order to be able to tell whether or not it's still working for them. So this is, again, and that's going to be done whether or not the bill is challenged because it isn't an aspect of legislation. It is a recommendation.

and that recommendation is the go-ahead that will be used to perform these analyses. And it's going to employ a lot of a certain sympathetic group to be able to essentially start the framework for probably a five-year plan to massively overhaul education in the country in the direction that will at least push people away from anti-Zionism. anti-Zionism, but it will be, it will take it further than that. It will be saying anything against Jews and any, you know, Zionism is the safe way. Zionism is the safe thing to say. You know, when I was a libertarian, you know, most people don't, people are like, oh, you only really started talking about the Jews after you're a libertarian.

I did a lot, I talked about Zionism a lot. I was just using different language because, you know, I was trying not to bring down, bring held down upon myself, then you see, you know, what really, what really clinched it for me was Ukraine. Once I figured out, you know, once you figure out who's behind Ukraine, and then I don't have any ties to an institute anymore that I don't have to worry about getting yelled at and getting anything like that. It's just like, well, I mean, we just really need to start talking about who's behind, you know, who's behind a lot of this. And, yeah, it turns out to be hyper Zionist Jews. You know, it's like I was putting out a screenshot of a tweet this morning.

It said right-wing Jews caused the wars that basically displaced Muslims. And then it's left-wing Jews who are the ones who advocate for them to have open borders into the West so that they can flood the West. So basically they're creating a ethnic homeland in the Middle East that they can strengthen. I don't know about that much, about that much, how much that's true anymore. But then they're multiculturalizing the West, which weakens us and allows them to use the power of their banking, the media arm, and everything else cultural to make it easier for them to have more power in the West. Well, the difficulty is most people who are involved in this conversation, personally, I don't even know where I stand on it, but most people who are involved in this conversation are using the term anti-Zionism genuinely, especially people on the left are using the term anti-Zionism genuinely. So what I mean to say is they aren't saying anti-Zionism as a way to avoid talking about Jews. They use anti-Zionism because their rhetoric is based on a foundation of anti-colonialism.

They don't see it as a kind of a war of socioreligious ideologies. they see it as a war of colonizer versus colonized. So naming them, the E. Michael Jones strategy, naming them. If we just name them enough, eventually people will realize who is responsible, assumes that, I think, assumes that a lot of the people on the left are either ignorant of this fact or haven't developed the thought far enough, but they start from totally different platforms.

In order for the right to successfully and join itself into what, if enough pressure is applied, could be at least a semi-successful staving off of this legislation being implemented, a pushing back against this implementation on college campuses, the right needs to adopt, at least nominally anti-colonial rhetoric. But if it does that, then it admits to a lot of the things that right-wingers cannot necessarily adopt, which is to say the civilizing force of European colonization in the United States,

in the Americas, and in Africa. Now, again, I don't particularly go along with that line, But that is what, and you see it as it rolls around on every Columbus Day, and you see it as it rolls around on every Thanksgiving, the vast majority of the right is not anti-colonial. It's only anti-colonial in the Zionist sense. Or it is anti-colonial in the Zionist sense. Right-wingers understand that what's happening to the people in Gaza is a form of imperialism. They do understand it to be the expression of Jews in Israel, whether you call it genocide, or not killing indiscriminately and pushing out the rest of the people probably into the Negev or into the Sinai. That's ultimately the goal. And people on the right realize that and they realize that that form, which when left wingers talk about it, they're talking about colonialism.

Right wingers realize that that part of it they can't go along with. And I'm not advocating one step or another here, but, and I don't really know how I feel about power, but I do know that in history, if enough people are picking, pissed off. It makes it very difficult for elites to apply pressure. We saw it for just a little while, but I was stunned by the speed at which they were able to respond. If more people apply pressure, the better. And to do that, I think there needs to be an enjoining of left and right, at least on this issue, a coalition, at least on this issue, whether or not we think their left is totally diluted on any other number of issues.

The only way that we're going to succeed because we're not currently in the halls of power and more and more every day, we will be pushed and kept out of it if this kind of stuff is out in the open. You know, you have to subvert your way into power, and we really don't have the time with this kind of legislation. So I'm not necessarily talking about an alliance, but there needs to be, I don't know. I don't know. I'd like to know what you think about naming them versus adopting an anti-colonial stance on the rhetoric. Well, the anti-colonial stance, I mean, the right's not going to want to do that. I mean, and I don't even know what right, you know, what right would. You know, the MAGA right is, you know, throw the protesters off the campuses.

Right. So the only right that you're talking about is really a right that has no, no institutional power. Right. So really at this point, you're just. the finding a vanguard, finding your own elites or finding a vanguard type of time. The understanding, I think Thomas did a really good episode with Jay Burden yesterday, where he talked about Islam and basically said, you know, these protesters paid or not, they're not, if you understand what happened after World War II and who has all the power

after World War II, they're not your enemies. And I would say you don't have to go out there and protest with them. You don't have to support them, but I wouldn't counter-signal them. I understand, to me, in my opinion, when I look at what's going on in Israel and Palestine, I understand that the Palestinians, if you talk to Turks and you talk to Egyptians, whenever Palestinians in any number go into other countries, they become subversive. They start causing problems, which a lot of people might say that proves Shlomo and Sheldon-Ritchman's theory that they're the real Jews.

But either way, what I'm looking at is I'm looking at one group who has inordinate power. overrepresented power in the world. And I'm looking at another group that has, at best, influence in the region and has no effect on my life. Palestinians have no effect on my life. Jewish power and Zionist power and influence does. I'm not saying, I'm not making excuses that I haven't, I'm not a billionaire. because of Jews. I'm saying, I understand that they've basically created the culture that I live in,

and I don't like that culture, and I want to change that culture. I don't like the way they, I don't like the way banking is done. I don't like Hollywood. I don't like the fact that pornography is free, which is, you know, there's a reason why it's free. There's also a reason why, you know, Jews control the, um, Israel controls what they see on TV. in Gaza and in the West Bank and at times have streamed porn, hardcore porn, onto their TVs. You have to shut them off then. But what I'm doing is- Did we do that in Iraq? Didn't we do that in Iraq?

Yeah, I think we did. Like that was like an opener for our Iraq war policy would start flooding the radio and airwaves with porn. So what I see is I see two groups and I see one group that's my enemy and I see one group that isn't. I see one group that's my enemy and one group that really if why should I be worried about them other than there is this group that I consider to be my enemy who they beat up on these people, kill these people, they end up having to emigrate and they go to other countries and they cause all sorts of problems and those problems could, those problems do end up coming here, whether that be in terrorism, whether that be in just inordinate amounts of immigration.

So the way I look at it is, is I want my people to be able to have some fight against this. One thing you have to really look at is since October 7th, any power that you see being flexed on a college campus is being done by, is not being done by really government. It's being done by elites. Like Bill Ackman, who is Jewish and who has a, there's a reason why he wanted to get Claudine Gay fired and the chick at UPenn fired and that he's seeking to shut down these, he, it's tribal. It's just his tribe is being attacked and he's going to use his billions to do it. Right now, he is more powerful than the government.

he's he's accomplishing more than the government he's wheel he's basically commanding police forces through his apparatchiks and and um acolytes in the in governments and even in local governments that's also i think that needs to be stressed is that when you say he's more powerful than the government that may or may not be the case but what certainly is the case is that many governments agree with him many governments are happy to go along with him

federally absolutely and then, what is it, 30 states or something like that, are basically willing to go along with him. So it's not just, you can say the elites that put a lot of people into power in government to be able to be the actual cogs that turn the wheel. But I don't know, I do happen to think that the government has some power and ability here, and it has just been subverted. Yeah, and when you look at everything that's happening,

all this legislation that they're talking about passing, where the money is going. Basically, the whole of the narrative of public politics since October, it basically goes to show you that, I mean, it's hard to argue that they care any, our elected officials that care anything about this country, or if they do, and you wanted to have a percentage of it, maybe they care 10% about this country and they care 90% about Israel and Israel's other projects in, like, in Ukraine or shipping in the Middle East or Taiwan. It just does, it seems like we're, we've been completely occupied. and when you have a buffer like a Bill Ackman going out there and throwing, you know, millions around,

are his issues, the issues he cares about? Are they any different than Apex? Are they any different than whoever is influencing our people? No, it's all on the same, it's all the same side. And people don't get, people can't get that through their skulls because, you know, they hate Muslims, 9-11, what they've seen. You're talking about people on the right. Right, yeah. Immigration into Europe, things like that, and, you know, rape gangs, grooming gangs, things like that.

And I get it. I get it. But there's a reason that those people are there. There's a reason that those immigrants are there. You can get rid of all of those immigrants tomorrow. But if you don't get rid of, if you don't figure out a way to put to heal the people who are, responsible for bringing them there. Well, then it's, you're, you're not paying attention to who has the power in all of this.

Right. And you're just, you're just, you've, you've been taught that one group is just universally bad and the, you know, because they're just savages, they can't live in, they can't live in the West. They can't. And maybe they can't. Maybe, maybe some of these people can't. But.

A lot of them don't want to, by the way. A lot of them would like to live in their indigenous homelands. A lot of them like to live where there's from. Well, and Stephen Carson, Radical Liberation, made this point. He said, you really didn't see mass Muslim immigration until George Bush. Right. Yeah. So what does that tell you?

They went to war against Islam, yet they imported Islam? How does that make sense? Yeah, you're absolutely right. For me, the reason I think why I'm interested in, again, at least nominally building a bridge with people who seemingly don't have power, well, first of all, I suppose that's because I rely on the idea that enough people dedicated to a project with or without the actual ability to directly touch power will affect some sort of change. We have seen popular uprisings in the past. They have to be quite popular. But the reason why I'm interested in it is because

So it could be Zionist, it could be Palestine, it could be any group with this amount of power would want to destroy the West. It happens to be Jews and Zionism happens to be the cause, the willingness to sacrifice this country for the sake of that one. But it could be any cut. If Germans had all the power, they would do the damn same thing. If Germany was as they perceived under threat,

or if there was a project to rebuild some sort of special brand, third Brandenburg gate that's going to resurrect the German Jesus. I don't know. The point that I'm worried about is specifically the effort to re-evaluate what is being taught on college campuses provides sort of the same thing that the NSA was given when they started spying on all of us. Before that, there was no such registry to record with basically every American citizen believed who they were interacting with. The opportunity that is being given to an enemy group right now is the ability to dig their fingers into every college campus and pull up every single route, every single piece

of detail, and find out what exactly is happening. And I'm generally not a fan of registries of any kind. I believe it is the job of the individual to carry any document of ownership. It's really not the job of a centralized organization to hold. hold that kind of information because it will be abused usually and especially considering that education is a weapon the idea that you would have a full portfolio of the entirety of national education so that you could take it piece by piece you know these are things that should exist in matrices they're not they shouldn't be easy to figure out what is generally being taught but the fact

that they would there would be a library essentially of all of the things that are being taught about and who knows how deep it goes because remember it isn't just the education it's also the tracking of infractions on college campuses that would relate to this subject so they've now they're going to have a registry of who their enemies are and in a basic excel sheet you could plug in all the numbers and find out who your biggest enemies are and who minor threats might be and for what reasons so this is a vast project to essentially reorganize education and those being educated in this country. And I would oppose this no matter who was doing it,

because even the idea of collecting a registry creates a database that can be utilized by anybody who doesn't like me in particular, or you, or whoever went through the colleges and maybe had a minor infraction recorded because they did get into an argument with somebody in a college classroom about the state of Israel and the Zionist project.

And now that is forever embedded in somewhere. and who knows if this registry ever gets attached to, let's say, a hiring organization, a recruiting organization. So the idea of the collection of a database, I don't think has ever been a good idea. And it certainly will not be used to our advantage and most certainly will be used to our disadvantage. So considering that, yeah, MAGA is toast. MAGA has always been toast.

MAGA is a very strange object, what it does, what it's capable of. of doing but for people people who are sympathetic to our right and there were also discounting that there's a large number of like blue dogs who are now forced to be Republican because of all of the craziness on the left my father is i always use my father as an example of this new york guy always voted democrat is not voting democrat anymore a lot of his ideas haven't changed and he's never been an israel guy and there are a lot of people like this there has to be some unity movement. Otherwise, his database will be created.

And that is just a, that is going to be a disaster. And it provides an opportunity to reorganize education in a way that nobody should be given the opportunity to do. All right. So let me throw something out there. Let me give you, give you my, one of my takes on this. So I believe right from the beginning, after 10, happened that what we were seeing was there was also a civil war going on within Judaism. The left wing Jews and right-wing Jews seem to be at odds.

Now, there's a lot of people who will say, well, you know, they just conspire with each other and do this. Okay, let's leave that aside for a second. So basically, if you look at the curriculum, the anti-colonial, the anti-white, the DEI, the colonizer, all this stuff in colleges, you can trace this to Jewish elites, who are the ones who created this. DEI, created by Jews, Civil Rights Act, Jews, Mass Immigration, Hartzeller Act Jews,

Frankfurt School, Jews. I mean, it is. Jews that they would say were on the left. So now the Jews on the right are coming in and saying, well, we need to wipe. all of this away and get rid of this, and now we need to put in their good, old-fashioned, pro-Zionist rhetoric and make sure that at least Zionism cannot be attacked and Jews cannot be attacked. And this is what some call the kosher sandwich. Both sides are, no matter who's warring,

it's Jews having a conversation. It's just, I remember Dave Smith and Gene Epstein, people both of us have met, no, talking about economics on an episode once, and they said they both agreed that all economics is is Jews having a conversation. That's basically what I'm seeing here is all of this insane leftoidness, the wokeness and everything.

I mean, you have a lot of Zionist Jews now and a lot of their friends who will attack you and call you a leftist if you say that, you know, the woke comes from Jews. No, the woke came from leftists. Okay, but what are their names? What are the names of the leftists who the woke came from and everything? But now, if it's going to get flipped on a college campus and it's going to be, well, we need to put the, we need to get rid of the woke and we need to, or at least, you know, tame the woke and have a little more, you know, pro-Zionism in there, or at least don't let people attack Zionists or attack Jews. It just seems to me that,

Either way, you get Jewish. You get something Jewish. So, I mean, what do you say to that? Well, on this, yeah, it cannot be doubted that in terms of anti-colonial rhetoric that goes around on the left, it is, I mean, to be honest with you,

I don't know a specific anti-colonialist. Well, I can think of several of them, But, yeah, I don't doubt the idea that Jews have had a major influence in both anti-colonial and pro-colonial reid Zionist conversations. Absolutely, I don't disagree with that at all. But the question remains is the participation in the opposition through that nominally? Is that going to be effective in stopping or halting the attempts to build a registry? and to pass legislation. So while I agree with what you're saying,

I probably would think about it similarly in terms of economics. Do we throw economics out the window because of who's having the conversation, or can we retrieve from it what we need to? As a guy who doesn't know a thing about economics, it's faking gay. It's totally shaking gay. That's been my life for a while. But, yeah, I'm simply not...

I need to be presented with an alternative possibility to stopping a registry from being created, I think is a major thing for me. What have you thought about all this? I mean, we did an episode not too long after October 7th, but we haven't done anything since then. What is your take on all this? Because it just, if you would have told me a year, well, I mean, okay, before Kanye, If you had to tell me before Kanye went, you know, absolutely ballistic and started a lot of this conversation, if you had to tell me in 2020, or in 2021, let's get past the COVID year, in 2021, that basically all of the conversation on Twitter, we would have called it Twitter then.

And in the news, in politics on college campus, was going to be about Israel and Jews. Now, I will say I was listening to a podcast the other day. I'm trying to remember who it was. I think it might have been our interesting times. And they talked about somebody went down and started questioning these kids, the ones who were protesting against Israel, and started asking them like specific questions. like about and they don't know anything no like real jewish power like do you know anything about how the jews and the slave trade do you know about that do you know about jews and um and um freemasonry

and stuff like that and the person who went down there came back and said yeah a lot of these people are hip to that a lot so a lot of these people are not only hip to anti-zionism they're at least from this anecdotal you know little yeah you said this yeah we know that jews are behind masonry and we know all this. So I don't know. Where are we right now when it comes to talking about, you know, the original Jewish question, when Marx talked about the Jewish question, it was about assimilation. It was about can they assimilate into European society? How much do you think that at all has any relevance today that question? When you consider that when they go into a society, they either seek to dominate it or they seek to completely change it.

Well, they are assimilated into European society. They're in Eurovision. And I'm not joking. Israel is in Eurovision. They are, in a sense, assimilated in and they got their own country out of it. So is Australia. Well, yeah, I guess. What I think about it is, first of all, I don't, like you said,

I don't know who provided the anecdote. I have no reason to doubt the anecdote, but I could find a counter anecdote pretty quickly, I think. Absolutely. I would say, first of all, I would say I'm shocked that what I am shocked about is that a group that has no institutional power and is largely regarded as laughable in most parts of the country, the black Hebrew Israelites. Who would have thought that all of the things that they believe are, now front and center and part of conversation on the left. I mean, it's pretty

interesting. I think that's pretty interesting. Now, I'm not saying that they're the ones who this originated from, but like, who on the boats is like very specifically you know, black Hebrew, Israelite. At least, there's a great book of research on it.

Nation of Islam. Actually, you're right. It's Nation of Islam. That's right. It really is the nation of Islam. So for me, black Americans, have been talking about this forever. You know, I mean, you and I both have a number of black friends. You always talk about your friend who you'd watch a lot of videos of Malcolm X and things like that. Would you be hanging out with him?

And the two of you would talk about this stuff, and he was always hip to it. And the black community in the United States is largely not fooled about this element of power. And I hang out with a lot of Native Americans, and they feel the same way. Native Americans are totally hip to both whitey, and the Jews place in creating an apocalypse for them. They're in on it, absolutely, but it is white America that is not, I can't imagine is largely hip to this. When you have non-whites in America are much more apt to adopt, I'm going to keep saying it, anti-colonial stances. They see them as anti-colonial, no matter who they apply the names to, and Native Americans of blacks have

never been afraid of saying white or Jew, depending on who they're talking about. And they are very clear on what elements of which need to be ascribed to which group. But it is white America that doesn't have an incentive to be, to think anti-colonially and therefore see the Israel-Palest situation in the more honest way that it is depicted. So that's the other thing is like, you know, you say you can go back and trace anti-colonial rhetoric to a lot of Jewish names. This may the case for, again, white society. But I do struggle to think that for non-white society, perhaps the words have been lifted from, you know, that specific implementation of anti-colonialism that comes through white society

where a lot of the names are Jewish. But blacks and Native Americans have got very particular experience. experientially informed versions of this. And they see what's going on in Israel, Palestine, as a mirror of what has gone on either to blacks in America or two Indians in America. So it's difficult because you're dealing with a, like we, you need to have white Americans on your side. If you're going to have a popular uprising in this country, you need to. You absolutely must. You have to pick because it's the largest, are we a might. minority yet in America. It's the largest plurality of people.

I don't really don't know. I don't know if Hispanic is counted as white in the way or not. I think that well, if you I think if you're just looking at people with white heritage, you know, like European heritage, then you're

then a lot of people believe that the numbers are fudge. Like they they'll say that sure, yes, whites are still a majority, Europeans are still a majority in this country, but a lot of people believe that actually

they're just fudging the numbers and they're actually not anymore. It's got to be, depends on where you are, right? Because my personal experience, I could not inform you on an accurate answer. Miami is not represented. What about Miami? That's right. That's what I'm saying. Miami is not right. Although it's funny is

Miami is very white. Just nobody speaks English. And nobody, nobody's actually from here. But yeah, there's a lot of white. a lot of white white Spanish people and Cubans Puerto Ricans yeah I mean there's there's a lot of them

but yeah you the ultimate point that I'm trying to say is I think while you can probably trace most philosophical rhetoric that comes through the post enlightenment to a Jewish name

which by the way, I think you can trace plenty of that to non-Jewish names also. There may be an over-representation as there often is with Jews. They have very high IQs. They're often philosophically oriented, and they're very good with their verbal skills. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's all I'm saying. If they're 2% of the population, even if they do have...

20 or 30%, yeah. Well, if they're 2% of the population in the United States, this is not per capita, this is raw numbers, then, then, and let's say whites are 55% of the popular, white Europeans are 55% of the population right now. They would, you would, you would have to say that there are way more whites with higher, with high IQs than there are Jews, just on sheer numbers alone. Verbal? Oh, let's, stop with the pill pulling.

Stop with the pill pulling. Yeah, maybe I'm not saying that they're dumb. I'm saying that they are intelligent, but I'm also saying they're highly nepotistic, and they are highly networked. Oh, yeah, well, you're no argument from here, whereas whites are not highly nepotistic. Yeah, we've been, that's been beaten out of us, a lot of us, to serve our own families. Absolutely. It's been since the civil rights era that that's been the case that we've been

disconvinced of protecting our own. No doubt. My main point is they're involved in the philosophy of it, so most of the rhetoric is going to come out of these circles. But I think that, and I don't even know what point I'm drawing here, am I saying there should be a white right-wingers who aren't MAGA

should ally with non-white leftists because there's less of an opportunity for individual subversion because of the Jewish origins of the conversation. I truly don't know. All I know is there are multiple tribes

of anti-colonial philosophy. And they will ultimately shrink down to race. At the end of the day, the conversation will, if there is to be a divide in a coalition, it will shrink back down into race. So the natives will back the natives, the blacks will back the blacks, the whites will back the whites. But if you're talking about the potential for there to be subversion by the same group that is being opposed, in this case we're talking about again about the Zionist conversation here if we're trying to stop a registry from being made if we're trying to stop legislation there has to be some sort of coming together or there has to be some sort of detachment from the systems that will affect us those things are being worked on already but i still think the fight is worth being fought in the public square maybe that is naive of me i'm sure many people think it is naive of me but this registry will be created if it isn't a and it's going to ruin a lot of people's lives. And maybe for an accelerationist, that's great.

It'll just radicalize a lot more people. So maybe we're in favor of the registry for those reasons. But it does feel like we're constantly playing four D chess in a game that never ends or it keeps shifting dimensions. So it's very difficult. It seems to be very difficult to express popular power or to create the potential for a popular revolution that will not be subverted by, in this particular case, Jews, who are at the present moment are organizing a registry to take out their rivals.

That's just how that is. And again, I think any group would do it. But that's the case that we're faced with and people need to acknowledge it. Well, I think one of the problems with people on my side is that they think that this won't. There's no way that they'll get on that registry, that there's no way their name will get attached to it. They don't think that that registry, they think that registry will just stay on campus.

Yeah, they don't know, they don't realize and remember that like a lot of these, okay, so if this is just under Title VI right now, they'll find a way to expand this to the wider population. So the wider and wider population. Well, and even if they did not, a registry specifically of what has gone on in, college campuses over the past, who knows how long, is a tool that nobody has had before. And given who's currently in power, it's going to be utilized as is, whether or not it's

implemented further. And that will have disastrous consequences because it will allow for the reorganization of education. Education in this country is already horrifically bad and politically utilized. And it was politically utilized by the left forever. Now it just seems to be that if this registry is created, if the curriculum is able to be re-evaluated and re-implemented and reorganized, it's just going to be, it may not even be changed very much, but it will be changed in all of the ways that the people who are able to change it need it to be changed for their own personal viewpoints, for their own ideology to be safeguarded from whatever popular revolution is to come. That is the problem. So whether

or not it even affects you, listener, who maybe didn't go to college or was in college 10 years ago or had a perfectly clean college record, you will have to deal with the environmental consequences of such a registry being created, of education being reorganized. If you were living in 1960 before the flower revolution, when education was effectively reorganized, probably happened in the 70s, I would say, took about till the 90s for education to be totally reorganized. Now we are dealing with the consequences of that today, which, for instance, if you live in Kenosha, Wisconsin. The anti-colonial rhetoric, the anti-police rhetoric that was fomented on college campuses essentially led to a race riot in Kenosha, Wisconsin. So if you lived in Kenosha, Wisconsin,

in otherwise small city, now you have to deal with the consequences of the radicalization that ultimately peaked at the end of the Obama era, and we are now dealing with the spin-off of that. So we must, as Americans, be concerned with what is going on in our country, not just at our doorstep or what can affect us personally because we don't have the foresight to predict whether or not any such thing is going to end up at our doorstep and at this point I'll take a bet that if it's a massive reorganization of education it will it will eventually end up at your doorstep we have to fight them over there so that we don't have to fight them over here Wow. Thank you. I had forgotten just how bad the Bush years were.

One thing I will say is that one thing that I noticed right after 10-7 was that Ben Shapiro started going to college campuses. And the moron, the moron who is just, you know, loves Ben, knocking down purple-haired wildebeests on campus over woke stuff, was like, oh, look at him, he's just going to, no, he understood that if the Zionists and the Jews lost the college campuses, that they're losing the college campuses, they have to get it back. That's why he went back to the college campus. Can you, I mean, do people understand if college campuses get reorganized, if this stuff gets restructured so that it's even mildly pro-Zionist.

They've got the next generation. We're celebrating that the boomers are going to die, and their 80% approval rate of pro-Israel is going to go with them, and then it goes down and down and down. Well, now you're going to have a new generation coming out who are going to be basically believe this about Israel, or you don't get good grades.

I mean, I don't even know if it would go that far, It may just go as far as to be, we will destroy your life. We will, or it's just something sort of subtle. I think, and that's one of the reasons why I like having you on to talk about this, is because, you know, the guys on my side, you know, here, if they hear, like, they hear Scott Adams just absolutely going off about Israel and going, fuck you on this anti-Semitism law, fuck you. I will say, tell me what I'm not allowed to say, and I'll say it every day. then Scott says, I love Israel, I love the Jews, and my guys throw their hands up and go, oh,

oh my God, look at him, look at him. He's not one of us. Well, a fucking course, he's not one of you, you dumb shit. He's not even talking to you. When he went on his rant about blacks two years ago, I mean, elites listen to him. They're gauging what's going on. They're like, huh, if someone like Scott Adams is talking about. like this, maybe I need to look at this. Believe me, Scott Adams, like, I would say that probably

the average income of his audience is higher than that, yeah, for sure. A lot, a lot higher than anyone on the dissident right, probably. Yeah. They're hearing this message. They're here, they have to start somewhere. You know, and it's like, and when I hear people just talk about how they would like to see these leftists crushed where I'm like I'm also like okay I mean these people aren't these people aren't my friends no and neither is neither is the other side no so that's why I stress the word nominal when I talk about any sort of alliance it has to be on a particular issue it cannot be anything else and you cannot diverge from talking about it in that particular language

otherwise you will lose it because they they don't think leftists really don't think they just kind of act. So if you can kind of trick them into being on your side, you may be able to steer them in the bright way. But yeah, that's why I stress nominal. This is not an actual friendship that will ever be cultivated. There's too much other forms of disagreement. They have no loyalty to America or to traditional values. This is specifically an anti-colonial movement. Yeah, but if you realize that movements like this, can shift the pieces on the board of how elites are looking to play the game, then you at least don't countersignal it,

and you at least call out everything you possibly can to get people. The only goal here is to show that Jewish power exists, that it is exactly how powerful it is, to show people who don't know this. That's the problem with people who listen to podcasts, you know, who listen to their favorite podcaster. They're not listening. Most people aren't listening to podcasters they disagree with. They're just, they're stuck. And it hasn't escaped me as someone who came from libertarianism.

How many people on the dissident right are just libertarians? In that, they're complete purists. They have like every, like they purity spiral like crazy. Like they throw their hands up when you, you know, They're going to throw their hands up at some of the stuff you've said because you haven't come here and you haven't thrown up a Roman or, you know, you haven't thrown up a Roman salute or you haven't, you haven't expressed your love for an Austrian painter. He was such a, he was such a sensitive guy who loved his mom. It was so I was, yeah, what an interesting guy that Austrian painter was. Love dogs too.

Yeah, it was really, yeah. And he had a strong relationship with a male friend. Strong. Oh, stop that. You sound, now you sound like Yarvin. But the, but yeah,

I just don't get how everybody thinks that they're going to, you know, it's like, oh, we're going to fight this head on. There won't be, it's like, all war is by deception. Yeah. Oh, yes.

Yeah. Yeah. This is people get that. Yeah, this is, war. Yeah. We're like literally in a war. Yes, we are the proxy. People don't realize that we are the proxy in this situation. They're used to looking at us being the one controlling the proxies in other places.

You're seeing the proxy conflicts going on in the United States right now. The real war is going on over there. And both sides are vying for us to be their proxy. Absolutely. Yeah. All right, man. Good conversation. Thank you for putting up with me through all of my, you saw the power came back on about a half hour ago, right? I did. I'm glad you have your power back on, and I'm sorry that you live in Pretoria. I'm sorry that that had to be a move for you. Well, I got to shut off the damn generator. It's making so much noise. I'm using my mute button

liberally here to make sure it's not getting picked up on the audio file. All right. Tell everybody how they can find what, and tell us all right. Tell everybody how they can find what? everybody what you do and I really don't know what you do anymore before yeah not you do I before I do that I want to ask you one question before I do that sure who is the farthest left person that you think you could get on this show Caleb Moppin I don't even know who that is he quite left or is he that like a not very left person he's a tankie oh yeah so you can't even get a well you don't need a bottom left on the show yeah I think it would be very interesting to see you have someone

who's quite far on the left on this show and talk about exactly the same things and see how they communicate. You were just talking about people listening to podcasters and the only people that they only agree with. I'd be really interesting to have a conversation like that. So that would be pretty cool to see.

Me, I'm just a newsman, so I can't get anybody like that on. The last time I tried to talk to somebody who said that they were like a communist or something like that. I knew more about communism than they did. It was That's the problem. Yeah.

You need like Norm Finkelstein or sign. I don't know. You need someone like that. Anyway, what are my plugs? What do I do? I'm a newsman. I cover the news. That's all I do.

And was that you like blessing me? I'm sorry to hear that. It was me just like getting a quick migraine thinking of you as a newsman. Yeah, well, I'm America's number one newsman. I track the most possible topics. Yeah, go listen to Timeline Earth. You can find it on any podcaster. We cover the news.

And then go over to our Patreon, which is similarly named, and pay me money. That would be excellent. Thank you. Well, I appreciate it. And I want to say, I want to thank all your patrons who make it so that you can be home in the middle of the day so that when I have a,

when I need an instant, interview, I can bring you up and be like, hey, what are you doing? Yeah, nobody, besides the podcast, nobody knows what I do for money, and some days, neither do I. And I like it that way. Thanks, Berto. Appreciate it. Peace. Why do I need to put you on these jobs more?

Because they reminds me the good old days when you go, Berto, I want to know about this guy. Or I would go, I want to tell you about this guy. And then I would approach you and I have 6,000 and written. words that I would read through and go through. And you told me like, oh, just a couple of hours ago, you were like, do you want to go over this interview? Because, you know, I caught your substack. You weren't able to watch it much. And you put me on the task. And so I watched a video. I have 500 words sitting in front of me and I'm ready to go and read out for you at any time. I got a full, yeah, we can watch it again, for sure, but I have a full breakdown of this

stupid thing. Well, we can't, we don't have to watch the whole thing. And plus, we can watch it at a faster speed. We can watch it at like one and a half because, I mean, that's fine. But we, we, we, people who are smart enough to not listen to the, you know, to not watch this crap, you want to give them a taste of exactly what this, you know, the shit, the shit sandwich it was served up. The first, uh, uh, part is there is the best part to play because I, I, I didn't skip through any of it. In the second part, there's a full three minutes that I just zoned out while I smoked a cigar. I just straight zoned out and didn't even listen. And I had to go back and listen to it again. And I didn't need to listen to it as useless. And then like the final part

is 10 minutes long and none of it needs to be listened to. So really, we can just go do the first part. Yeah. I'm happy to summarize for the people who don't want to listen beyond this first part. I'm happy to summarize. I have a full summary with context about everything that was said in this. Well, let's do the first part because, and then I'll let you do, I'll let you do your summary. Sure. Because, yeah, this people, if people, like I said, you know, part of my job is torturing people. I have to give them things that, you know, there has to be like, I have to do a black pill every once in a while. I have to hammering with something.

Yeah, I mean, this is I mean, this is I had to make my summary pretty funny because what's actually being said of content is very dark. But I will tell you, and some of the listeners of TLE have come to understand this about me,

I am immune to torture. I am, I watch 20 hours of debate bro content per week. I am watching the sloppiest slop that you can find on YouTube.

For probably 40 hours a week, I consume this content like it's a job. So I am immune to this, which is why I say you've got to put me on these jobs because I think otherwise you are exposing people to cancer. I'm the only one who's immune

to cancer from this kind of content. So this is like, this is my job. Aaron's for the one-off read-alongs and you're for the, when complete slop is thrown out there, for you to go in, for you to go in, summarize it, and then deliver it to us and deliver it to us in a way where we don't cry. Have you seen academic agents five-tier slop list? Yeah, yeah, yes, yes, yes. I am every person in that list.

I am watching their content. Oh, I thought you were going to say you are every person in that list combined. No, no, but I have any person on that list. If they put out video content on YouTube, I am watching 10 hours per week minimum of it. So I know all about slop. I am the slop janitor. Just call me in whenever slop comes and I am, I'm there for you. All right.

So you want to watch this first video? we're going to be stopping it all throughout. It's eight minutes long. I mean, like I said, I got 30 seconds. You know, the wife and I started watching this this morning before I did my substack. I got 30 seconds in. I was already just going off. Oh, you got three minutes. Okay. And what was your total time in? Yeah, it was three minutes. But I got 30 seconds in. I stopped it and I started complaining. And she's like, you're not going to be able to watch this. I'm like, no, no, no. I just want to make a comment. And like after three minutes, I was just like, after, I guess, all the grunts and, you know, the absolute, you know, and the end, the end, the end, the end bombs, you know, it was just like, okay, well, we can't. Well, I actually, I heard on your substack. It took you about three minutes. So I was specifically looking out for what happens around the three minute mark that would have triggered you. And I think I actually, in my summary, I actually have explained, I think why three minutes did it.

you and it's for a reason I think we'll all notice the second time we watch so yeah I'm ready to go when you are I'll give a can I give a brief breakdown actually before we start this do do what you're gonna do so before we start part one hmm the context for this as we are all beings who exist in the context in which we live in what came before us I figured it's important for us to understand the context here this is Kamala Harris's first interview as the nominee of the president of the United States, and it is hosted by the reputable and hard-hitting journalist and anchor Dana Bash, who appropriately, you'll find out, speaks to Kamala Harris throughout the interview as though

she's a kindergartener. Throughout the interview, she looks increasingly pale. Her pupils are greatly enlarged, leaving only the smallest corona of the dark brown iris in her eye, visible. Her eyebrows are tightly penciled in. She's got a lot of bronze on, extremely dry hair, and a crusty mouth that tells only lies. She looks sick, ill, mentally, but also physically. So, for the context, I'd briefly like to diverge for one moment, Pete, if you'll allow me. Let's go through the list of benzodiazepine addiction symptoms very quickly. Confusion and memory loss and thinking problems.

Weakness, slurred speech, lack of coordination, dry mouth, constipation or diarrhea, and a flattened mood. We can meditate on those another time, but I think it's important that we keep this in mind. So I probably don't need to, we probably don't need to go into her record.

You can find that with a couple of easy Google searches, right? But she's accompanied throughout the entire interview by the repugnant Satanist Tim Walls, who, like the Emperor Nero, watched his city burn down for three days before he took action against these violent mobs of maladjusted anarchists and modern-day San Kulow, who are expressing their indignation over the only fentanyl death in America's opioid crisis that has ever mattered to them.

The guy has little, tiny, fragile baby teeth in his giant head, which makes sense why most of his caloric intake comes from a white formula. He sucks out of a bottle. He dances, prances around, he gesticulates violently, though he can barely control himself. This new thing that the DNC is doing to white guys, this like inoffensive, feminine, almost black bombastic behavior they make them all do,

sickens me. Besides his physical appearance, so he's an expert in arco-tirant who relied on lawfare trickery and close personal ties to wipe out a legal challenge against his extensive COVID-19 mandate via a favorable appellate court.

And his Department of Education is currently being investigated for defrauding the federal government of a quarter billion dollars in the feeding our future scandal. Look that up. These people are vile and freakish. It really is going to be a treat to watch these with you, Pete. Before we get into it, before you start it, do you have any thoughts? The question I want to ask you before we start is, do you remember the first thing you felt when you turned the interview on?

I mean the moment the interview started, what were you expecting? Nonsense. I mean, just nonsense. But I didn't think, I was expecting it to be a certain level of nonsense. I didn't think it was going to be this level. I didn't think it was just going to be, I thought it was going to be, I was going to get upset because I don't agree with this person, this person wants me dead kind of thing. And then I just realized that this. This was just to insult me. Yeah, she's retarded. Yeah, it's just there to insult me to be like, be like, see, this person, this person has 40 to 50 less IQ points than you do. And she can have you killed at any moment. That's right. And she was extremely practiced for this because despite her obviously low IQ, she has a number of talking points that she circularly goes around.

so anytime something comes into it, she finds a way to bring it back. So she's been trained for this interview. They bring up one subject that's bad for her. She pulls it back to a subject that was good for her. They ask her a question that diverges. She pulls it back to a subject that was good for her. She's been well trained on this despite her retardation.

But you'll see this. I don't want to hold this up anymore. Part one is probably the only part worth watching. I did have one comment. was, you know, this grotesque human being that probably makes John Adams look like, you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger when he was 25. If the, if she gets elected and the office is oval, where do they put the cuck chair that he's going to sit in? It shouldn't it be, I mean, from everything. I think they'll have them on a swing.

If not to get too vulgar, but I think they'll have them on the swing. From every meme I've ever seen, the cuck chair is supposed to be like in a corner or something. And I guess, well, maybe they'll just have them in that shitter that's like that LBJ used to take shits with the door open and, you know, talk to the press. What a disgusting croup. Yeah. Also kind of based. Also kind of chat. This, this, let's be clear here.

and let's be frank and because it's your show and audience i feel totally comfortable saying this the the tim wall's pick is a cycle because she's not going to win and nobody thinks she is and if she does man that's going to be funny but nobody thinks that she is so the tim walls pick is not a victory pick it's part of the psychological humiliation of white people that this kind of regime has to do. And this guy, Tim Walls, is specifically meant to get America used to there being a black woman as boss. And that's all that he's there for. He is meant to, you know, there's a psychological imprinting that you can't help but see when you're watching, like, oh, this is an old white guy. This is what it's going to look like for the last vestiges of

the boomers. There's going to be a younger black female. their boss if there isn't already. It's just psychological impounding is all that it is. And it's fascinating. The one thing that's entertaining me right now is I know that there's people listening or watching this who are screaming for us to start the video.

Stop fucking talking and start the video already. Yeah, there are. Yeah. And they'll get their just reward as they watch the video. All right, starting it right now. Madam Vice President, Governor Wells, thank you so much for sitting down with me and bringing the bus.

Bus door is well underway here in Georgia. You have less time to make your case to voters than any candidate in modern American history. The voters are really eager to hear what your plans are. If you are elected, what would you do on day one in the White House? Well, there are a number of things. I will tell you first and foremost, one of my highest priorities is to do what we can to support and strengthen the middle class. When I look at the aspirations, the goals, the ambitions of the American people, I think that people are ready for a new way forward in a way that generations of Americans have been. That's the first place I stopped.

Yeah. It's all, you know, Orwell's political language essay from like 1940. Yeah, I mean, this is just political language. She has said nothing, nothing. Not yet. And she doesn't for the next three minutes. class. She doesn't say anything in the following three minutes beyond this.

So just, we can stop here because I have a comment on this. First of all, the interview is divided into three parts probably so that CNN could lie and claim the number of people who viewed was three times larger than it actually was. This is the kind of interview that is one of the reasons why Google removed

the visible dislikes on videos. When last I checked, I don't know what it says there, when last I checked, it was 1.16 million views. Look at the like total. 14,000 likes. It's triumphant, dude. And you could check the comment sections later to have a really good laugh for anybody who wants to check this. The first question that she was asked.

This was the question. You have less time to make your case to voters than any candidate in modern American history. The voters are really eager to hear what your plans are. First of all, less time. She's been the vice president of the United States for nearly four fucking years. Second, they're eager to hear her plans is sympathetic code for. We haven't heard anything yet. Please give us something.

Anything. And her answer, of course, was, we want to support the middle class. So she will give the reason why in a second. Go ahead and play to the reason she gives. Yeah, the middle class doesn't mean anything because the overwhelming majority of what would historically constitute the middle class in this country are white people. That's right. That's right. So watch the reason that she gives for why the middle class needs to be supported.

What's wrong with America right now? Been fueled by hope and by optimism. I think sadly in the last decade, we have had in the former president, someone who has really been pushing an agenda and an environment that is about diminishing the character and the strength of who we are, Americans. Yeah, his name was Barack Obama.

Yeah, his name was Barack Obama. That's what I wrote also. That's what I wrote too. She thinks that, yeah, sadly, she's obviously talking about the former President Donald J. Trump pushed an agenda to create diminishing character and strength of who we are as America, really dividing our nation. Say what you will about how the America first movement really wants to diminish the character and strength of America. But I think flooding America with hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants and their cartels and gangs and ramping up nationwide COVID lunacy and the total failure of the Afghanistan pullout. Maybe all that stuff. Maybe, maybe, just maybe might have a bit of moral damage done to the country. So she doesn't

answer the question because she can't. But Dana will ask her again. And this time she does answer. Yeah. Well, and also, let's remember, she says 10 years because she's a fucking idiot. Who would Who were presidents for six of those 10 years? Go Biden and Barack Obama. She can't say six years because it's not a round number. So people will know it. You know, she's an airhead. She's just an airhead.

All right. Let me just go back a couple seconds. We are as Americans, really dividing our nation. And I think people are ready to turn the page on that. So what would you do day one? Day one, it's going to be about, one, implementing my plan for what I call an opportunity economy. I've already laid out a number of proposals in that regard, which include what we're going to do to bring down the cost of everyday goods, what we're going to do to invest in America's small businesses, what we're going to do to invest in families. Yeah, I was going to say you could lower the volume and we could probably talk over her during this part because she doesn't say anything interesting, I promise.

Well, apparently what she's going to do for small businesses is cap their prices. That's right. A federal ban on grocery store price gouging, which will be destroyed in the course. It won't even happen. She's also offering down payment assistance to first-time home buyers. $6,000 in a child tax credit, which is what J.D. Vance's plan was a month ago. And they heard that and said, you know what? People might like that.

We'll do that too. That's all that she gets. I would love to see, I would love to see her say just to see how, like, the people who, I don't know who her people are. I mean, her people are only like anti-Trump people, right? So, I mean, we can agree on that. Pretty much. I would love for her to say, I will personally pin a medal on the, on the lapel of every woman that has four American children and see, and see, see if they even get the, get the reference. I mean, at this point, she could, she could do references to, like, from any, you know, quote, unquote, bad guy in history.

You know, she's starting with the, you know, coming with Stalin stuff, you know. So it's like, yeah. I mean, just go and see, see if her people care. I mean, what did Sam Harris say? I don't care if Hunter, Hunter Biden had dead, has dead children in his basement. Yeah.

I mean, that's, that's the level of, and I don't, see, the thing is, I think a lot of people say shit like that hyperbolicly for the clicks. I think that's like Destiny's whole thing. thing. Destiny just says shit to, you know, to get clicks. But I think that like someone like Sam Harris is actually demented enough to actually believe that, that he would rather, he would rather have a child killer. They just had a video interview together, actually. So I'm sure that mental illness floats in the same circles, by the way. Yeah. If he, I'm, yeah, I'm

sure he would be okay with like the, you know, the father of a, of a child killer being president rather than, you know, like John Wayne Gacy, than Donald Trump. I'm sure you would. Let me keep playing this? Because, yeah, it just gets, we're almost up to three minutes, too. This is where you actually, I think it would not be a bad idea to end it just after where you cut off. So let her finish her thoughts on the opportunity economy. And then Dana Bash will ask her a question about how American families are suffering.

We can finish around that point. Yeah. When you said solutions, I hope you had air quotes there or something like that. $1,000 for families for the first year of their child's life to help them buy a car seat to help them buy credit to $6,000 for families for the first year of their child's life to help them buy a car seat to help them buy baby clothes, a crib. There's the work that we're going to do that is about investing in the American family around affordable housing, a big issue in our country right now. So there are a number of things on day one. What about you? Well, I'm excited about this agenda, too.

As I said, the idea of inspiring America to what can see. And I think many of these things that the vice president's proposing are things that we share in values in the child tax credits when we know that reduces childhood poverty by a third. We did it in Minnesota to have a federal park. Speaking of dead children under the floorboards. Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, no is a joke. In this, unbelievable, I think, and the impact that we can make. You talk about, you call it the opportunity. economy. You are well aware that right now many Americans are struggling. There's a crisis of affordability.

One of your campaign themes is we're not going back. But I wonder what you say to voters who do want to go back when it comes to the economy specifically because their groceries were less expensive, housing was more affordable when Donald Trump was president. Well, let's start. Yeah, you can stop it there. We don't even need to hear her answer. During the height of a pandemic, we saw over 10 million jobs were lost. This is where I went. Yeah. And that's exactly right.

And you can stop it there. And so here's my research. I can see why you load up the second clip for me because I do want to play audio for one part of the second clip. And we'll have that ready for after we get through this first part. But I can see why you turned it off after those three minutes because after Dana Bash asks the question about her policy, she explains it. And then

Dana asks about how American families are suffering, and she answers a question by explaining exactly what she did 30 seconds beforehand. Tax credits, grocery store price, couching, the capping insulin prices. We get it. You're only going to make policy to help black people. You know, we get it.

So this is all that she has. Here's a cute phrase that you heard. We're not going back. That's what she's running on. We're not making America great again because there is no again. Okay, everything has to be brand new. That's what progress means.

Again, I want to remind you, Pete, one of the symptoms of benzodiazepine addiction is memory loss. So maybe we can't go back because she can't remember what back was like. Well, yeah. Well, have you also heard that theory that, have you ever heard that theory that when a black mother says, my boy, my baby didn't do nothing, she actually believes it.

Because there's no concept of the, past or the future only the present that they're living in? We'll get into whether or not she counts as black in just a little bit. Because I wrote a section on that. I covered that on my substack. Oh, man. So yeah, I'm watching this. And around three minutes in, I remembered your number.

You know, I kind of zoned out for a little bit as well because I was imagining how good it would feel to be on benzos instead. So I think the rest of part one was about fracking, I think. Who gives you shit? Trump is out there talking about tripling our energy production through nuclear so that we can be competitive in the Bitcoin economy. And this

retarded eco-terrorist is talking about clean energy. You know, clean energy like solar panel fields that demolish native environments, and they require massive lithium and cobalt mining infrastructure that we don't have, but China does. So... Yeah. We were talking on the

glory club live stream last night that the right wing definitely right wingers and true right ringers really need to be the environmentalist that they are. Yeah, that's why we have been trying me and Nome Child one of my strongest listeners

physically. I mean, I don't think he can be killed by a bullet. He's physically a very strong guy. He and I have been piecing away at the idea of returming the term eco-terrorist from what it used to me into being like, you know, clean energy people who are literally terrorists against the environment.

And I kind of want to get that floating. So if you in common conversation could start to use ego terrorists, I think we can, I think we can reclaim the eco label. I think we can. Where do you want me to start in this in part two? So I know that you tapped out around minute three. So as long as you're good and we can start part two started at second zero we want to listen to Dana Bash's first question and then listen to Harris's answer and then cut it around minute 37 another issue big one is in mission okay another issue big one is immigration as vice president you were tasked with addressing the root causes of migration in southern countries and

Northern part of Central America. The northern part of Central America that deals with that affects the southern border of the U.S. During the Biden-Harris administration, there were record numbers of illegal border crossings. Why did the Biden-Harris administration wait three and a half years to implement sweeping asylum restrictions? Well, first of all, the root causes work that I did as vice president that I was asked to do by the president has actually resulted in a number of benefits, including historic investments by American businesses in that region. The number of immigrants coming from that region has actually reduced since we began that work. But I will say this, that Joe Biden and I and our administration worked with members of the United States Congress on an immigration issue that is very significant to the American people and to our security, which is the border.

and through bipartisan work, including some of the most conservative members of the United States Congress, a bill was crafted, which we supported, which I and Donald Trump got word of this bill that would have contributed to securing our border. And because he believes that it would not have helped him politically, he told his folks in Congress, don't put it forward. He killed the bill. There you go. A border security bill that would have put...

So it's like Democrat bingo listening to this idiot. By the way, every single term that they have is used in that answer. The bill that she is referring to is the latest iteration of the Bipartisan Border Solutions Act. This was an act that was originally drafted by a Republican and has since been modified and is now being called dead on arrival by top Republicans. Within the bill, it contains $118 billion of foreign military aid. to Ukraine and Israel. So let's be clear about what the bill actually says.

It is not a solution. You can, we don't have to continue listening to the clips here, but she will go into this and say this. It is meant to hire more border agents and more buses. The reason why, in my opinion, is so that it can be more easy to facilitate a legal entry into the country like the Border Patrol agents are already doing. So if you don't believe me, the bill includes a provision to hire 1,500 asylum officers.

That will make the asylum process easier. It will also hire more immigration judges, 100 of them, in fact. And what will these judges be responsible for doing? One can only take a wild guess. Yeah, to think that they're just going to be immigration officers and they're not going to be They're not turning people away. What was the Supreme Court decision that sent the decisions back to the courts instead of Chevron deference? Yes.

I mean, if Chevron deference goes away, you have to pack the lower courts now with your people. That's right. And that's what her intention is to do, is to pack them 100 judges with her people. The final portion of the bill is a 1.4. billion dollar cash injection to certain cities and states that are currently providing critical services to the White House in their bill summarizing it affectionately calls these people newcomers so this would expedite the acquisition of working permits but republicans didn't support that stuff can you believe that so in the second interview around a minute 44 you don't have to play this but for the people who want to

know where I'm at. She mentions 1,500 more agents to the border being hired. She's talking about asylum officers because the bill only uses that number to classify that employee. She's not talking about border agents.

She's lying right to your face, and she smirks when she says it. For more info on that, check the first epistle of Peter chapter 5, verse 8. She blabbers on for a few more minutes. She speaks proudly. about her career as a border, as an agent in a border state, making a career off of prosecuting

international criminals is what she says. So give me a break. California is so gay, Pete, that even its border is huffing poppers. It does not, you cannot qualify California as a border state. It would have to have a border to apply such a label. So that is the extent to which she answers the question about immigration. I can continue on from here because I promise you there is nothing to be found in the rest of this interview. There's a softball question and then a question about Israel that you could probably guess the answer to. So if you want to not continue, that's fine. And I could summarize.

Yeah. Yeah, the, it's like I said, why did I get upset about this? Or as some people, why did Pete get triggered? Why did Pete get triggered? Yeah, because righteous anger is never, you know, is, I mean, we live in such fucked up times. It's super fucked up. It's just, it's, I mean, when you look at this, you're like, Like, okay, I personally know, you and I personally know, three or four people that we could, we could get together and gather right now on a, on a Zoom call, on a call like this, and we could come up with solutions to what they're doing that are not only, would not only solve the problem, but solve it at what, five percent of the budget.

Yeah, and we'll get the vote for it also. Yeah. Yeah. It's, this is what fucking, this is what pisses me off is that, you know, and I said something about Trump, see, on my substack goes, Trump's, you know, everybody's gone after him over the whole, uh, the abortion thing, how he doesn't want to do a national abortion ban. And I'm like, really, that's, that, that's what you want to do. Well, that is such an op. Well, here's the thing, okay? I've had people, libertarians, classical liberals, all these stupid fucking people. And I'm calling them stupid because they think I'm stupid, because I've never considered this before.

If you allow, if you allow the state to increase power and do something it doesn't have, then the next people who come into power will have that power to do it. I'm like, I don't want Trump to outlaw abortion in all 50 states, which is unconstitutional, because there are people in his, even though I would rather have the people, it seems like he's surrounding himself with now than the people who are in the regime currently, there are still people who are going to be in that regime that I don't want to have that power because I don't agree with them. I'm not even worried about the fucking Democrats. I'm worried about the people he have around him who may decide that they're going to do something, you know, that they're going to do

something ex-cathedra that fucking, you know, completely fucks us up because he has people around him that don't share our values. And the, I mean, and what is deeply frustrating for me about the whole conversation about principledness is that it's being applied to what is by nature pragmatical. and what is in fact putting a piece of paper into a box. And we're having this conversation about whether or not we can support Donald Trump because he's he removed abortions from the plank and because he's obviously not going to get rid of all abortions in the country. And it's like why is there even a question about the nature of what your vote is meant to do?

Your vote is meant to throw power behind this guy. Do we think? I mean, being a one-issue voter is, you don't, maybe it is better you not vote. If you see a vote as a sort of a one-issue thing. My frustration with it is these, I'm avoiding mentioning specific names here

because I don't want to pull you into anything, but when you have a massive platform, massive platform, and your first instinct is to go, I'm voting for the guy who will lose, what the fuck is wrong with you? When it's Kyle Rittenhouse, I'll pull him in. When it's Kyle Rittenhouse, we all go, stupid kid, you'd know better. And he goes, yeah, I knew better.

When it's a fully grown adult who's doing this, this, you can only assume the old principle that a system is what it does. These people are not your friends or allies because they stand on principle about abortion. They can be your enemies too, because what are they actually doing? And if the answer is not participating or worse, confusing people into not participating over a binary choice of bad or worse in these people's minds. The possibility that worse is pulled in makes you part of the system responsible for that.

And so there should be no confusion about people who are going out there with massive... I don't care about the little guys. It doesn't matter. But massive platforms, and you can't make a pragmatic. judgment, you are not part of the friend group. You are not part of the winning team. And a list is being compiled of all of these Joe Mansion types who are like in the party,

but do everything to undermine the party. Listen, there's two parties and two votes. You don't have to be red team. You don't have to be blue team. You have a vote. And your vote from the perspective of the skeptical is bad, Donald Trump, or worse, Kamala Harris. And nobody can put it to me that there's an argument in any universe other than the purely acceleratory, which is not civilizational in any sense, that Kamala Harris is a better option. And so if you live in a battleground area and you have 100,000 followers on Twitter, that's probably a little bit specific, and you're going around and saying, I'm not going to cast my vote for this guy

because my pet issue. And you convince other people to do that, and because of that, it shifts enough that the worst of two candidates wins? What am I supposed to do? Thank you for your principle? Blows my mind, dude. Yeah, I mean, principles are not,

I've been trying to explain this for a while, especially since once you read Burnham and understand Burnham and you start understanding the elite theorists and, you know, especially the Italian school, you understand that power is not about ideology. Power is about power. And the only way, if you want your ideology to somehow, now you don't want it to manifest, you want to be able to protect what you believe. And your ideology is your values. You want to be able to protect your values. So if you want to protect your values, well, run for office or get power or get a lot of wealth and influence power, get somebody elected, get a bunch of people elected, and probably

the best place to do that would be on your local level, because national politics isn't about that. If you want to abolish abortion, I mean, you're not going to do that. that's not in the Constitution. First, you have to get the Constitution, you know, deleted. You basically have to have the Constitution overturned. And or you have to have a constitutional amendment where I think you have to have 75% of the vote. Good luck with that.

No, you're going to... I don't even know if you can do it locally because then you're going to be dealing with courts too. You're just... You're going to have to be realistic. And you're going to have to understand. that there's a certain framework. I'm sure a lot of people would rather, if they had the choice between what we have now

and going back to like a strictly constitutional framework, they'd pick the strictly constitutional framework. But even within that framework, the president cannot say that all 50 fucking states, or if you're Obama 57, you can't have abortion in them. I mean, you just can't. Well, my whole thing about the one-issue voter, especially at such a high level, you don't have one issue.

Nobody has one issue. If both sides of the binary are in agreement on that one issue, isn't there a runoff to the other issues? No, there's just a, I'm abstaining and telling everybody else to it, the potential that the other preferences that I have, which are secondary. to me will be under worse circumstance by the person who gets elected. I don't know. The second issue for maybe you're a one issue voter for abortion and it's either total ban or you're not getting my vote. To me, it's like you still have the vote, right? And what and is this, what if one of the sides has an issue where they're really good on Second Amendment? You don't care about that at all? It's like, I just don't, I don't understand the one-issue voter thing.

It's a virtue signal, and it's a way for people with blue check marks on X to rake in some X money by controversy. And that's all I view it as, and I have no respect for it. And I don't have any respect for the third-party vote either. It's ridiculous. It's a joke. I mean, the best way, the best way a one-issue voter can deal with, can get their, one issue promoted is to either start or find a pack or a political action group, something like that, a lobby group. Get a lobby group.

That's all they concentrate on. And a lot of these people do have lobby groups, so I don't understand why they don't go, look, I'm not happy with Donald Trump's stance on abortion, but we've got a lobby group working really hard. And when we get this guy into office, I think we can persuade him. What's what, why, that's what a business person says. Most of the abortion lobby groups are really shitty. I remember the one in Ohio was run by some woman who, I think it was earlier this year put on Twitter. It was earlier this year or last year. There is like no salvation except through Christ. And she got fired by the heads, by the board, you know, by the Schwartz and the Rosensteins who ran the board. where you're like, okay, so the Ohio, the Ohio Rights to Life group is, yeah, okay, captured. Okay, thank you. Well, I mean, yeah, there you go. But, you know, something like National Association for Gun Rights, who most people don't even know their name, but if your state in the last 10 to 15 years got constitutional carry, thank the National Association for Gun Rights.

Why? Because they bullied politicians in your state in order to do it. You want abortion outlawed? You're going to want to get it outlawed in your state. You got to hire somebody. And if you're in a blue state, well, you're fucked. You know, you're either going to have to move or you're going to have to deal with it. Because it's not going to happen.

And that's the way our government is set up. And if you say, well, I don't want my government to be set up like that. I want my government to be set up like Germany in the 1930s. Well, then you're no different than a fucking anarchist who's just like, just in the state, bro. if we collapse the state, everybody's going to pick narco-capitalism or national socialism or Catholic monarchy.

Listen, we're working to get to collapse the state. We're working to collapse the state, but you can't do that through a vote. So you have the vote still. We can still work on collapsing the state, but if you can be bothered to go out there and cast your vote,

then do so. But if you can't find, but don't have 120,000 followers on X and tell people you're not voting for the guy. Like, we need to, can you just, can we do multiple things that's just so puzzling? I want to point out, this time we watched a collective five minutes of the, of the interview, instead of you just watching three. We got two minutes more than you managed to get through the first time before we started ranting.

And I feel so much worse for it. Let me, let me cycle us back in. to the great content in the interview. The question that we ended off on was about her career on the border state and how she's going to be great on the border. And what that actually means in the bill she will pass. She said she will have it sent to her desk if she becomes the president. The question after that is a softball question about how Donald Trump said

that she used to be an Indian and that she's black. Look, I think that this one is really retarded. Her dad is Jamaican. She went to a historically black university. Her laugh is really loud and obnoxious.

And after exclusively dating only black guys, she ended up marrying a white guy. She's black. Can we just agree to that? Jewish. Jewish. Jewish guy. Excuse me? Don't be a one issue voter on this.

We have to just move up. Did you see the Washington? Did you see the article the Washington Post, the opinion piece the Washington Post did about him yesterday? No, I don't think so. Oh, I have to keep talking. I'll find it. And you'll puke. The only other question, and this may have something to do with what you're pulling up here,

but the only other question that is asked, and it occupies like three solid minutes of time, is a question about Israel, Hamas. where Kamala expresses her solemn commitment to Israel's security, begging that a deal must be done. She got to get the hostages out, presumably so they can all go back to have music festivals on stolen land while their soldiers rape hostages. And everybody cheers.

And so that's the end of the second part of the interview. We're 16 minutes in, if you've been watching it. 16 minutes into the interview and the substance of what has been said has been a reiteration of policy already done in the current administration, softball questions, expressing love for Israel, and lying about what's going on on the border. Nothing new, nothing interesting. We waited six weeks for this, and nothing interesting has happened so far. Oh, no.

Doug Amhoff, modern-day sex symbol? And who wrote this? secure enough with his own masculinity. And now what is that name? ...prioritize his wife's ambition. Catherine Rampel? I don't know. Doug Emhoff has been called many things in recent years.

Second gentleman, goofy dad, crappy Jew, but perhaps his most appropriate title, progressive sex symbol. Move over, Ryan Gosling. The modern female fantasy is embodied by the man, who might soon become our first gentleman. Emhoff appears to be a genuine munch with an impressive career.

I promise when the future Technopope is installed as president of this great country and we finally declare a crusade against these people. You have no idea how on the front lines I will be. That should be illegal.

The article that you just read should be illegal to have published. I mean, yeah, this is one of those things that really, if Project 2020, Project 2025 was real, that they would take care of. That, you know, that wouldn't happen. That there's no way something like this would happen. Yeah, that should, that is a, I mean, that bothers me to the level of blasphemy. Can I, can I share this? with you the authors of the authors Wikipedia there you go there you go south florida too

might be your neighbor might be a neighbor yours dude and can i say truly and i mean this affectionately with my whole heart that's beautiful i wish i wish that catholics in this country had support networks like what we just saw i need a beautiful burdo article at some point. We just get, we just get blamed for all the immigration when it's actually we do. Oh, boy, is that true? I was just talking to a buddy about these Catholic, in quotes, NGOs just today.

Yeah. Because of that video going around the other video of controversy, the boat hitting the other boat. Anyway, this is a beautiful support network. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That one that's out of Spain. Yeah, yeah. That one going around and, you know. Are you talking about the boat running over,

Running over the boat full of foreigners. Yes, yeah. Off the coast of Spain. Yeah. Anyway, not to get off tangent. There is a part three, which was the longest part. Yes, I can. Can you not hear me?

My connection dropped for a second. What I was saying is you talked about the boat hitting the other boat. Was that the one off the coast of Spain? That was the one off the coast of Spain, which brought about a lot of questions. Catholics specifically having a lot of questions and the NGO topic being brought up and I just, I don't even want to

you know, that is a topic that makes me itch when I have to dispel notions over and over again. So yeah, we get the blame for that constantly. Well, especially when you go to their websites for the NGO and you pull up the board and everyone

looks like people from the time of Christ is the proper words. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, Saturday. Let's do we do Part 3. Can we until we steam through this into Part 3?

Sure, sure. Sure, I'll stop sharing the... Before we get a libel lawsuit against us. Part 3 opens up with a question directed to Tim male vagina walls about his military record. There is nothing of substance to be said. I wouldn't even waste your time joking about it. but for those of you who are going to do the watch along, I thought about three minutes into part three was pretty funny.

So they wrap up with this pathetic Tim Wall's little segment that they do, and there's a very obvious and striking edit. And now Kamala Harris is a totally different color, more intense lighting, her facial expression is nothing like it was moments before the edit, three minutes into a clip that has already been divided from a 40-minute original clip, edited down to 26 minutes, then edited into three separate clips. So there's four edits within this thing of a lot, clearly a long pause.

It's very funny stuff. I don't know if most people will catch that. So, yeah, pull it up. I think it's right around three minutes when he finishes speaking. There's an edit, and she's a different color. She has a different face, look on her face. There's more intense lighting. It's very funny.

It's just very clear that this interview was, a disaster. Just a total disaster for them. Yeah, you don't need to hear what this. Cuck is going to say. Look, right here, now she's a totally different color than she was before. And her face is totally different than it was at the beginning of the video. It's so, dude, most people won't catch that. But, you know, it's been going around enough how heavily they had to edit. Look, totally different colors. She's orange there. And in the previous, and now she's like white. She's like creamy white. It's ridiculous, dude. So they had time to get up, take a breath,

have a drink, sit back down so she could be asked 10 minutes of softball questions. And that's all that this is. Yeah, many drinks. Those go well with the benzos, by the way. So, Dana basically, and you don't have to play this, I'll, I'll summarize for us. But Dana basically asks if

Kamala regrets lying to the American people about Biden. I know, it's dude. And there's probably other edits that I did not catch. But that one was so obvious because they play the swish card over it. That it's just very clear. The look on Waltz's face right there. He disgusts me. I bet that's the exact look he has when like one of the high school students is banging his wife. That's what that's the look that you get when he,

when he swings back on the swing in the oval office. That's the look you're getting. So yeah, there's a bunch of fat lipping about how smart and cognizant Joe Biden is for a couple of minutes. And by the way, Joe Biden is still our president right now. Just let that sink in. Where is the guy? Why is he not sitting in this interview with her? Why is he not doing interviews of his own? I think they finally sent him out to pasture.

Don't even get me started on the clip with the son. Is that his daughter? Yes, that's his daughter. Yeah. With arm tattoos? is yeah of course so and actually it's good that you get to this because so the next four minutes which you mostly skip through and so did I listen the next four minutes and I can't even get into the subject without risking the possibility of this of the literal shit being sued out of me

but the next four minutes are about how much support Kamala has had Tim Walz and his freaky wife and daughter and his freaky son and And the third segment pretty much ends that way. So where you're at, it's just blabbering until the end. And so to be clear, 10 minutes of the 26 minute and to edit is 16 minutes. That is how much substance was asked, how many questions of substance. Because this whole last thing of 10 minutes is entirely softball. So it's about 16 minutes of question and answer.

which was drilled down from a 40-minute interview. So when people are saying this was actually an 18-minute interview, and Democrats are going, no, it was almost 30, you can say it was almost like 12. It was almost a 12-minute interview. And her closing pitch, I'm the best candidate for all Americans, regardless of race or gender.

And you know what? I think that's kind of chauvinistic. Why just be the best president for Americans? that excludes all the people who are coming in from other places who haven't had the time, you know, the desire to become citizens. And since we want those people here, I think she should be running on the best candidate for everybody everywhere in the world. That would be a pitch.

And with that, the interview... Please let everybody... Please say psych, said everybody knows that you're just playing a role. I think that would be consistent with the message. I mean, I'm glad you watched this whole thing, I think twice. I know that you're a fucking masochist. I mean, you're probably the biggest masochist I know when it comes to just utter shit. I mean, didn't you watch the whole DNC?

Yeah, I did. I watched the entire DNC, and I didn't watch anybody's stream either. I straight watch that bitch. There's real, you know, I mean, I've known you. you almost 10 years now. And I have to say, there's really something wrong with you. Yeah. Well, I have to do it. I'm a newsman. I always forget about that, yes. I'm a newsman. I always think of Carr as the newsman. So, yeah, I apologize.

Carr likes real news. I like Schlock. That's what I like. I am the John Waters of news. You're the goys. I mean, everything is just, you like the news that is just complete goyslop. Yeah, I do. I really do. Version of news. I can remember like ages ago, me being a young kid and my dad kind of watching slop on TV and yelling at the TV and having a blast about it. And I feel like I inherited a lot of that because I watch this stuff. And I'm like charcoal, dude. This stuff filters right through me. I clean it up at the other end and it's fun to listen to.

And, you know, I don't try to brainwash anybody. I just say it like it is. And it's really funny. I know your dad was pretty much what when you were growing up, a Democrat. has he crossed over or what? My dad is the bellwether of boomer Democrats. And he is probably not going to be voting. When Biden was running, he was going to be voting for Trump.

And now that Biden is no longer running, he hates Kamala, he finds her very annoying, but he offer, but she offers him enough that he doesn't have to vote for Trump because people know this. And listen, Trump is a Democrat. Like nobody, can nobody be fooled about this? Trump is a Democrat. If we, if you just go back 15 years to what the Republican Party was, that's what Republicans are like. Trump is basically a Democrat. And New Yorkers like my dad hate Donald Trump. can't stand Donald Trump. He's been in the media forever. He's been trouble to unions forever. My dad is very much like a union Democrat. And that is what I think is going on. I always use him

as the bellwether. New York is polling shockingly Republican. I mean, obviously it's still a Democrat state, but you're talking about a near competitiveness. It's almost up to, and I'm talking about New York City. It was previously when Biden was running at polling at 14% Republican. Now that it is at Kamala Harris, the number has grown to 30%. And I don't think that's just a reflection about Kamala. I think that it's because people just can't, in that kind of a place, just can't bear to go out and vote for this annoying woman or this agenda anymore. And so using my dad as the bellwether, I think plenty of Democrats are going to be sitting at home.

and it's going to be the ones who actually go out and vote. So that's my, you know, it's a, it's a speculation. I should not do speculations, but this is the sense that I am getting from the morale on the other side. Does Queens go Trump? No, I don't think any of the places in New York go Trump. Staten Island. New York City, that means. Staten Island will go Trump.

Yeah, I always forget about Staten Island. You know, I'm a borough kid. I always forget about Staten Island. But it's not that New York City will go Trump. It's that in key areas, she's not getting the Muslim vote, like an important vote to get in Michigan. She's not getting the Muslim vote because she's as pro-Israel as the other guy. They're going to probably sit home or vote Trump. No, she's not getting the Jewish vote.

She's not getting the Jewish vote. No, she's not getting the conservative Jewish vote. she's probably only going to middle on the liberal Jewish vote because Israel is such a strong issue and she has not come out nearly as hard as Trump has. Trump is a true friend of Israel. And from what I hear, especially in college settings, teachers are telling students, Trump is the guy. You know, I went to a pretty large college in the city and I've always had an inner ear on what the Jewish community is going to be voting like is from young, old from professor to student. And they're pretty much aligned on Trump as being good for their

interests. So she's not going to get those key demographics in a place like New York. She won't get those key demographics in a place like Florida. New York is not competitive. I don't think Florida is anymore either. But certain states are, Michigan is one. The only state that she has catered to by her, by what she has done, what she's campaigned for and who she is, is Georgia. Georgia is the only state where it's going to it's going to probably be strongly blue for her because it's not her focus she's not going to win she just can't she's not going to win she she does not have the voting uh blocks necessary to put together a win she has black women black men are not voting for camilla harris i hate to to be the guy who has to say the obvious truth but black men are not voting for

Kamala Harris. So like Pete, all of these key demos, she's not catering towards. So I am, I don't think she is a competitive candidate at all. Hmm. Yeah. So I mean from everything I summarize this interview very briefly. So Kamala Harris's first interview was what we just went over. She is very unhealthy looking and as we demonstrated, she changes color multiple times. there are clear signs I shouldn't say that there are if you if you go into a book and you look up benzodiazepine addiction similarities are hard to ignore Tim Wals who is a distasteful cum drinker is a fool an emasculation and I find it repulsive interviews divided into three segments that last the slat only the first half of it is

worth any substance where she's asked questions about, you know, her vague policies of tax benefits, grocery store pricing, insulin, bullshit. The second half of it is softball questions about whether she's black or Indian, her rhetoric around Israel, because, you know, you have to get that out there. And they wrap it up with, you know, her idealization about what America is, which America, it turns out, basically is whatever it isn't currently. That's what America is to her. So that's all we had.

It was obviously an interview with no substance. It once again doesn't appear to anybody listening that it will convince anybody to vote for her. So I'm left wondering what the hell was the point of it. And I just think it was necessary. I don't think it was anything more than, you know, procedure. I think they have to do this. They're waiting for the debate. And I think the debate, which I believe is coming on the 10th of September, unless they've changed it once again, will, I believe that that will be.

More of the same from her. I don't think she's going to diverge from any of this. I don't think she's going to shock us. And I think it'll be handily for Trump, so that's all. Did you hear why they're demanding that Trump's microphone not be muted? Oh, are they? No, I didn't hear about that. Tell me why.

They were saying that in the debate against Biden, he was like talking shit just loud enough to Biden when Biden was talking to Biden when Biden was talking to throw Biden off. Like he was mumbling, but mumbling loud enough that Biden could hear it. So it was like, if you look back at the debate, he's like, you know, he's doing his Biden thing. I mean, get the guy's mental. I mean, he's gone. I mean.

He's gone. But yeah, they're saying that because of that, because he was like talking a shit on the low, they're like, no, we got to have his microphone on. Wow. I think it'll be a disaster worse for, uh, if they put that mic back on. I really do. He's just going to say all the things we're all thinking. Yeah.

How great would it be? Is Willie Brown still alive? How great would it be if he had, like, in the front row where the Make American Great again had on? And Willie's just, like, every once in a while just thrust his tongue into his cheek. know what I'm talking about. Dude, he's got to be fun.

That's the only thing, man, and I like Lewandowski's style a lot, who is managing Trump's campaign. But, you know, if I was managing that, that. Remember the wamp-womp? Yeah, the wampwomp was so good, dude. That was art. I wish I had a chance to manage this guy's campaign because it would be balls to the wall. It would be like MTV all day, and that's why people would vote for him.

That's what really, I'm really hoping we get a. an MTV presidency with him. I hope this isn't all just bluster. You know, I find a number of things very distasteful about Trump's policymaking and the friends that he has, but, dude,

there's potential here for true greatness in areas that we would have no, not even a chance of success in otherwise. So I am still optimistic about it. All right. Let's get the fuck out of here.

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That would be actually a really good idea. Do you have so much shit from the years you can put out there? Yeah. All that Marxist stuff and everything like that that we did? Yeah, there's a lot of written content that I could put out there.

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Oh, nice. That's right. That one just dropped as day of recording here on the 30th of August. That'll be on all the RSSs. You should definitely listen to pause. He's another genius, man. I mean, I must say, for all the shit that I talk about, Aaron, he's a genius. Car's a genius. We got four true, very different guys who are all, we all come together and we all spit our own takes on stuff. And it is a special thing. So I want more people to be a part of that. So check it out on Timelineer. All right, man. Take care of yourself. Thank you. Thank you. I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekino show. Burdow's back. What's up, what's up? I'm excited to talk with you today about our favorite president, Joe Biden.

Do you want to hear an interesting fact I just learned? TLE's entire existence has basically been within the Biden administration's existence. I operate a Biden world podcast. It's never actually existed in Trump times. That was pretty weird. Well, and the funniest thing about that is, you showed me the plans for timeline earth in January of 2020. And it took a little over a year for that to come to fruition.

I mean, you should be the first. For no reason. Yeah. Well, I mean, it was a weird year. I think we can all say that. That's true. But yeah, I wanted you to come on because, you know, we need to celebrate. great, this great president.

And some of the things, talk about some of the things he did. So what are you thinking? Well, I have operated the number one Joe Biden tracking podcast in America for the past four years. And in my time, I have a treasure trove of notes and information.

And I also polled several of the board members for the show, several group chats and the list of positively memorable moments for Joe are uncountable. And so as we get into recalling some of our favorite

Joe Mints, I just want everybody to calm down if yours doesn't get called. There is a library of times that he's yelled at ghosts and And there's, I mean, your favorite moment may not be on here. And that doesn't make your favorite moment less valid.

It just adds to the corpus of knowledge that we have for Joe. Before we get into it, I want to recall your memory. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I just want to say that I think how sweet and how respectful it is for you to, you know, acknowledge that everybody's, some people's lived experiences may be insulted. here. So thank you. That's right. That's right. I'm the first to say that.

I'm the first Italian-American from New York to say that this week. Before we get into it, I want to recall your memory, Pete. Do you remember at the end of Donald Trump's term, there was a New York Times archive that was released. of all of Donald Trump's insult on Twitter.

I don't remember that. You can still probably find it. Oh, it is huge. It's a gigantic library of things. Now, the New York Times will make you pay for it at this point, but it is absolutely worth going and looking up. The reason why I bring that up is because like him or hate him, Joe Biden will never get that kind of treatment on the way out.

And so, Pete, I'm glad that you've asked me to come on today to recall some of these favorite moments. Because I don't think there's going to be a Joe Gaffwall. I just don't think there's going to be anything like that for Joe. He feels like everyone wants to forget him as soon as possible. And I don't know how you feel about this, Pete. Tell me, I don't want to forget Joe. I don't want us to ever forget Joe. Well, I think it's incumbent upon us to not forget him when you take into consideration that the mainstream media is going to do their best to forget every second of his presidency.

Yeah. A question for you, Pete. And we'll get into some serious talk here before we go into the fun stuff. Did Joe Biden ruin America? I think it's a tough question. question that because you know i'm one of those people who thinks that america has basically been ruined since about 1945 yeah nothing nothing that doesn't challenge the and seek to destroy the post-war consensus is going to you know bring america back to where it was post-1945 so i would say

that he probably accelerated the decline more than any other president in history. That's about where I'm at with it as well. And in doing that, he, I guess my other question to you before I go through some good stuff is how does it feel from your perspective, you know, you're a content creator, a historian, an illustrious podcaster. How did it feel going through the Biden era as a content creator? I mean, you always had, you always had something to talk about. It was great.

I mean, that's the worst thing about, you know, doing what we do is the worst things are, the better it is for us, actually. Yeah. have so much more to talk about, so much more to track. You know, I'm not exactly, you know, there's really only one, you know, what my podcast, you're a tracking podcast of, you track many different things, many important things, things that are really important to the culture. And I really only track one thing and, you know, it's what gets you in trouble with the,

gets you in trouble with the ADL and the SPLC and other places like that. So, yeah, I've had a lot of that's been in abundance the last four years. So, yeah, I think, yeah, it was when things are really bad, there's a lot there. There's a lot for both of us to track, evidently, during this period of time. And it doesn't look like you're going to stop being able to track stuff in the near future, either. Oh, I think you can multiply, for sure. I think it will. I don't know if you've seen.

I don't know if you, I don't know if you, I don't know. I don't know if you've seen this, but apparently I had an interaction with a sitting congressman yesterday. That has been screenshot. And pretty much everyone is passing it around except politicians. You know why? Because politicians are not going to pass that around because they'll have to be like, I believe the same thing. I believe the same thing as Representative Don Bacon of Nebraska's second house, former Brigadier General of the Air Force,

a recipient of $1.2 million in A-PAC money, which is more than Marco Rubio has ever taken in. So you wonder where that money's going. I really like that what you were saying to him was, hey, why'd you get demoted? That is so funny. Well, Stormy was like, I was in one of our private chats, Stormy's like, he was a brigadier general. He basically had his own fiefdom.

Why is he taking a demotion to go there, run? And he basically runs unopposed in his district, and yet they're funneling $1.2 million to him. Well, why? Where's that money going? Oh, my goodness. he's one of the biggest he should send you that thank you message for giving him the opportunity

to earn his paycheck I mean I'm helping him yeah yeah the message got out for both sides yeah it's very funny man very funny so you'll be able to track

just about everything in the near future but I'm nervous because we're losing the status of Joe Vine and tracking podcast because as we will find out, I think they're just going to shut him down when it's over. And I mean that literally, mechanically, I think they're going to be able to do that. But let's go back. Let's go way back to Joe. Now, you wanted, I believe you pitched this to me as four years of Joe.

And so I limited a lot of his gaps to the presidency. but of course there's some really great stuff that just kind of going on with him from before there was the time that he threatened to compare his IQ to another persons and challenge them to take an IQ test on the spot he kind of pioneered that really I never heard anybody say that before him

and I guess the most memorable pre pre-presidency Biden moment, which happened a long time ago and was brought about during his running for the presidency, first time. In 1962, a young Joe Biden worked as the only white lifeguard at a predominantly black pool in Wilmington, Delaware. Biden is at this pool. I forget the name of it but it was eventually renamed to the Joe Biden

pool area the Brown Burton Winchester Park pool he's the only white guy there 1962 there was a bad dude whose name was well they called him

corn pop that wasn't his name and that wasn't his birth name we may later find out they called him corn pop and he led and this is a part that often gets

forgotten about I don't know if you remember this he led a small street gang called the Romans a black guy led a small street gang named the Romans that's okay well that makes sense

kind of so Biden is Southern Italy in southern Italy, sure. Biden is bouncing around at the poolhouse when he catches corn pop at the diving board.

Now, corn pop is not supposed to be at the aquatic facility. He's been banned and other members of the Romans were banned as well. So he catches corn pop, he calls him Esther and says,

get off of the pool. I think that's in, I think that I think that, I think, that that is a reference to an Olympic diver whose first name was Esther. I don't remember what the last name was.

So he called... Did he or she invented diving board? And were they black? From what I understand, blacks have invented everything. That's the entire pretext of this is so crazy. And we're going to get into the whole... I did a lot of research on this section, and it goes

very deep for Joe. So he's And of course, corn pop doesn't take kindly to being called Esther. So he threatens Joe. And he says, I'll be waiting for you with a straight razor after work. So Biden, because he knows how it works. Because if you're going to attack someone, you always, you know, telegraph your move, right? Well, this is the thing is cornhop was a bad dude.

So he didn't care about that stuff. And so Biden, he knows how the game works. He goes to find the only other white guy who works at the pool to ask him for help because he knows how the game really works. And he finds the mechanic, go figure, the only other white guy who worked at the pool facility, a mechanic who suggested that he arm himself, Joe, arm himself. And this mechanic gives him a six-foot-long chain. So he's retold this story multiple times. Details have changed. There's one time when he's telling it at the newly renamed Joseph R. Biden Aquatic Center in Wilmington, Delaware.

He's telling the story to a bunch of black children, like seven, eight years old. And he describes his hairy legs. That was a famous quote for a while. His hairy legs is very unusual. So he eventually he takes the chain wrapped around his own. army goes out there looking for corn pop corn pop never showed or at least that's what he says

you may have a question Pete which is who even are the Romans I'm thinking of that the Sopranos episode do you remember the Sopranos episode I'm talking about which one? They're beating up the

Jewish guy and he's like the Jewish guy looks at him and goes Masada with the that A thousand Jews held off 10,000 Romans. And where are the Romans now? You're looking at an asshole. And that's corn pop.

Standing over Joe, chain wrapped around his wrist, which just weighed him down. You're looking at him. Oh, man. So he leads this gang called the Romans. They were just a local street gang. There's only one newspaper clipping ever about them. And it actually regards Ville. place, the Brown-Burtain

Winchester Park Pool, which got renamed to the Joseph or Biden Aquatic Center. Apparently, the Romans led by cornpop whose name we know, because there was an obituary released, I couldn't find it, but we know

the guy's name because he was a real guy. He would go to this pool. He would insult Biden's mother in order to distract Biden. And while Biden was distracted, he writes about this in a 2007 autobiography, which is crazy.

So while Biden is distracted by corn pop, other gang members sneak into the pool. Biden describes the behavior as happening often during his time as a lifeguard. It's like a loony tunes, racial, like cartoon going on here. and it occurred at that swimming pool. Biden, the craziest thing is when he's telling this story,

he actually writes in his autobiography, the reason why he took the lifeguard job at the all-black pool in the black community center was, and I swear to you, I'm quoting him, in the hopes of learning more about the black community, is what he wrote is what he wrote for his reasoning for taking the job in his own words he writes i wanted to get more involved i realized that i lived in a neighborhood where i'd turn on the television and i'd see and listen to dr king and others but i didn't know any black people

so biden is describing learning from other lifeguards sitting there talking and uh he recalls a specific incident, which woke him up to the reality of segregation. Another white lifeguard asked him for a full tank of gasoline so that he could make his trip to his grandmother's home without needing to stop in the black neighborhood. He writes this down. And he claimed that he learned that day about racism, which is an insane statement. Especially if that's up. Yeah, I know.

And he mentions... By the way, corn pop. William Morris. William Morris. Right. Rest in peace, William Morris. Apparently they became friends. Yeah.

At some time later in life, they must have reconnected. Well, this is okay. So this is what's so funny. The final thing about the corn pop thing, which I think says a lot about Joe. After this story in 2017, Tim telling them the story to all the children broke. a bunch of different people came out to kind of defend Joe

and I picked a couple of great defenses here there was Representative Lisa Blunt Rochester she commented on Biden's experience this is so amazing that what they have to do she goes he wasn't afraid to be the only white lifeguard here he wasn't afraid to step outside of his comfort zone and get to know other people and about other cultures are being harassed by gangs every day.

There was another person, Richard Smith, they call him The Mouse. He's a longtime friend of Joe Biden's and a former NAACP president, which stated, we showed Joe that we could accept white people. That's the worst. And finally, according to the Washington Post reporter, who is tracking this Robert Samuels. He was tracking the story to see if it was real.

He writes in an article, many of the black people who I spoke with did in fact say Joe Biden was the first white person they knew who really listened to them and had a heart for them. It's just great because it's funny you had these Democrat talking heads in 2017 talking about this going out there and talking about this

and saying he did this to learn about our, community and they like he's learned something positive but then it's like many many years later that he's you know shitting all over um public schools as racial jungles supporting anti-bussing this is like 10 years after the corn pop incident making friends with john thurman i mean kind of based you know that's what i'm saying is this guy his whole life has had an experience but nobody is a allowed to say, including him, what his experience actually was. So the only story he tells about the pool, I mean, he writes more about the pool job, but none of it is really positive. It's all this like, this was a period of racial hyperviolence. And I went to a black community pool so I could

study these people. And it's just, it is really funny. It's just funny how it has to get repainted years later to make it sound like it was like he wasn't. doing like informant work for the Irish mafia or something we never really know what he was doing what's the woman in the meme in the jungle with the with the

binoculars who's that woman fascinating crazy or something yeah yeah yes

he dove in though I mean you know he is yeah you know He's Delaware's Tarzan. Yeah, that's true. And we'll get to more of his comments about black people later on. We have another thing before even his entry into president was when he called that guy fat. Do you remember when he called that guy fat?

He said, look fat. Later on, they said that he was actually saying facts, which he obviously wasn't saying he was pointing at a fat guy. And he stopped himself before he could go, look, fatty. that's what he meant to say. And finally, while he's running for president, you'll probably remember when he called a 21-year-old intern a lying dog-faced pony soldier.

You'll probably remember that. So I tried to track down the etymology of the phrase lying dog-based pony soldier. And he's used this phrase, more than once since 2018. He used it once. He used it first in 2018.

Then he used it at a New Hampshire event in 2020 while he was running for president. And it was in New Hampshire and this girl Madison Moore, a 21-year-old student, asks him

whether voters should believe that he can even win the general election because he's, took fourth in Iowa in the primary and he calls this young woman a lying dog face

pony soldier and he claims in an apology that it's from a John Wayne movie so I started searching through scripts in John Wayne movies

and the only I could only I could this was what's very weird is lying dog face is a thing that a John Wayne character says in the movie, Hondo, 1953. No pony soldier.

Pony Soldier is a totally different movie starring an actor named Tyrone Powers. Do you remember when white guys used to be able to have names like Tyrone Powers? It was a great time. Remember when white guys used to have names like Washington and Jefferson? Yeah. So, and then he called,

Donald Trump, a lying dog-faced pony soldier just now in 2024. After the debate, I think, actually, he called him that again. Was that just him doing a callback or something? No, he likes this phrase. He really likes this phrase that he made up because it's not in any movie. He just combined a bunch of things together, which is kind of what Trump does. I just think it's worth mentioning this is kind of something Trump. also does with catchphrases.

Anyway, the event highlights Joe's temper. Besides, listen, fatty, do you remember when he told that one guy to go vote for someone else because he didn't like the question he asked? That was really good.

When he called an Iowa voter during the caucus, a damn liar and challenged him to a push-up contest. That was, oh my God, that was so beautiful. It is an interesting fact. Iowa has the highest obesity rate of any state in America. So it's really funny in that context in particular. He's probably looking around just hating all these faties that he sees.

Because the listen fat thing was at the same event, if you'll recall. So I really think he has like fat phobia or something like that that really bothers him deep down. Anyway, that is pre-presidency. Do you remember that, Eric? Can you recount for me your hopefulness during that period of time when he was running? I mean, what I remember most is that he just basically hid, they hit him. I mean, he didn't even run. You know, like, at a certain point, he just disappeared. And I'm sure you have a theory about that because, you know, you always have a

theory about that. But yeah, I mean, I remember I remember the whole 2020 thing. I mean, it was it was impossible not to be paying attention to politics because that was, you know, probably the most insane year in American history. It's very funny, the, the steel year. What, like, was this Biden? You know what I mean? He was calling people fat, calling people liars, threatening to beat people up and forcing them to do pushups and stuff. And this was Joe when they cheated, which I think is awesome. He knew he was going to win, so he just kind of went with it. I thought it was really awesome.

But eventually he does, he is installed in the White House seat. And that takes us to 2021, where many people will say timeline Earth's most innovative breakthrough episode so far was the Joe Biden green screen conspiracy of 2021. This was in March 17th. We took to calling this handless Joe, and it really spiraled off a whole lot of stuff from my show. There is an incident that you can probably look it up where Joe is on the White House front lawn and he walks towards the camera and he puts his hands out as he's speaking to the people who

are filming and at first of all as he's walking towards the camera in this incident he is floating there it's obvious that he's not walking on the ground and and i mean this is you can go and look at the video i'm not making this up you just have to find it uh pete maybe i'll try to link it to you and post if you can put it in your description because people won't believe this if they haven't seen it. And then he, as he actually gets up and approaches, he takes his hands, picks them up as though saying something. And his hand, there's a boom mic. His hand first slips over the boom mic from the POV of the camera. Then it slips under the boom mic after coming out of frame and back into frame. Even though Joe has not changed his position and the mic has not changed its

position at all, meaning either the background of the mic was digitally moved forward in front of his hand and then they forgot to digitally move it again backwards, or he's just in front of a green screen the whole time. And it was a perplexing moment. And I'm sure you remember this, Pete, because it was basically the birth of multiple Joe theory, even though handless Joe doesn't make it into the multiple Joe's list because this is like a digital Joe. But it broke us, it broke my brain to realize, and it really did break my brain. You can listen to TLA episodes going forward from there and it's all just downhill. They're really, they're really, uh, digital nature of this presidency.

Do you remember the day that that happened, Pete? Of course. Yeah. I mean, because the group, the group chat was insane. and I guess what's crazy to me is there was never an answer given. There was never even an acknowledgement. And we all just forgot about it. And it's been wiped away to the many other things.

And it just doesn't seem like it should be that way because it was insane. You watched the same video I did. It was basically live. So I don't really even understand. And the weirder thing is there's multiple camera angles. And it's just one particular camera angle that looks completely fucked up. But it was a real broadcast on the news. I don't remember which station,

but it was a reputable station that broadcast this. And so I have no understanding of how it happened or why, but there's never been a solution offered to it. And I think that's important to bring up. Yeah, I mean, what I remember from that is, is that, yeah, no explanation. And then from there on out, timeline, Earth took a turn. Downward.

Really became the number one Joe Biden tracking podcast in the world because then it was impossible not to notice other things about Joe. That's right. And we will cover a couple of other things. I want to point people out to multiple Joe. to multiple Joe Biden theory. I've covered it on this show before. We have a multiple Joe Twitter page you can go to.

I forget what it's called. I think it's called Biden Twins or something like that. I don't remember, but it should be called that if it's not. But I'll link it to you, Pete, and we'll put it in the description for the people. We've done a tremendous amount of research on to how many Joe Bidens there are,

what their purposes were. the compartmentalization necessary. And this is just one theory. This is just multiple Joe theory where Joe has been several different actors all at one time. Yeah. Well, you know,

the newest theory is, I guess, one we can probably close it out with. But I remember doing that. I forget if it was your car said, it was probably you, you just said, just go to Google,

type in Joe Biden, hit image and just start scrolling. Phenotile matching, yeah. Yeah, when you do that, it's just like, oh, all right, my brain's broken. Yeah, it's, I think we ended up. Half a page, you're like, uh. I think we ended up with seven unique Joe Biden phenotypes, not including a number of different, uh, weird.

do you remember giant Joe Biden where he's taking a picture next to like Laura Bush and George Bush Sr. or something like that? And he's on one knee next to George Bush Senior and he's like seven times larger than even the couch that George Bush Sr. is on. And we call that giant Joe. It's sick.

It's sick how they try to do this to us. I mean, I'm trying to think of other Joe's here. I mean, there are more Joe. There's Chinese Joe. Chinese Joe is a completely different looking guy than all the other Joe's. And you can Google Joe Biden, and you will know which one is Chinese Joe because he looks Chinese. And that's how you know.

That's all I can really say on that one is that's how you know that it's different. But let's move away from multiple Joe theory. And let's continue tracking some of the gaps. of course, a lightning round one. Then there's a whole irony of the fact that the first time you ever told me about Timeline Earth, it was, we were in Chinatown. Oh, that's true.

That is true. Huh. Don't make me get into the numerology of this, because believe it or not, I did numerology and other esoteric stuff on a later topic here. I'll search for it and show it to you if you need. It's unbelievable.

Here's the lightning round one. The time that Joe Biden called, wait, where is it? Okay. Joe, oh, here we go. Joe Biden stunned a crowd on a Veterans Day memorial remembrance thing for the unknown soldier, the tomb of the unknown soldier. He lays a wreath down on the tomb of the unknown soldier and he looks up at the crowd and says,

I've adopted the attitude of the great Negro at the time. And then he goes, he corrects himself and goes, pitcher of the Negro leagues who went on to become a great pitcher in the pros after Jackie Robinson. His name was Satchel Page. So then he goes on to regale a story about, he told this story to Pope Francis, if you recall that. he told his story about two pope francis about the greatest american negro satchel page really and then he goes on at a remembrance thing to say the same story and so that was him saying

the great negro there was also of course i just mentioned the pope and you reminded me of this one pete i'm really glad you did a completely out of nowhere claim about joe biden there being rumors in Rome after Joe Biden visited the Vatican that Joe had a bathroom accident after meeting the Pope specifically he shit

himself on October 30th 2021 Amy Tarkhanian former chairwoman of the Nevada Republican Party tweeted

the word around Rome is that Biden's meeting with the Pope was unusually long because Biden had a bit of a bathroom accident at the Vatican, and it had to be addressed prior to him leaving. I know we often joke about this, but this is an actual rumor going on around in Rome right now. Total, there was never, and then people started tweeting, hashtag poopy pants, Joe, hashtag poop gate, hashtag shortgate. The White House was asked for a comment, but did not issue an official statement in regards to the allegations.

And unfortunately, no further information has been given about him shitting his pants when in a meeting with the Pope. Fascinating. You know, as many bombs were dropped in the Middle East under his presidency, he had to go and do, you had to go drop boom boom in Italy, huh? Nice guy. that was what was...

Okay, there's a later time where he's having a speech and he hunches over. Like, he looks like he's taking a shit while he's doing a speech. And the image that they showed of him meeting the Pope, shaking hands with the Pope, he is hunching

in the same, in the same sort of way. And it really does look like he's taking a shit at the very moment of shaking hands with the Pope. It's extremely weird. I have it on my... have it on my phone. There's a picture of him. He steps from the podium, walks away, stops, and then bends his knees. And I remember that was going around Twitter. And people were like,

anyone who has a kid knows exactly what's happening at that moment. Yeah, dude. Yeah, dude. He's taking a dukey in his shorts. Unbelievable. A final moment of 2020. 21 to pick up. And this is kind of a long story here, but it's really important. Joe Biden, in 2021, we kind of learned a little bit about, so it starts the story off for Joe Biden's long relationship with ice cream. So he's had an ice cream obsession for years.

Going back all the way to 2010, he was on the phone with a couple of the owners from Penny Ice Creamery. where he declared that he was a, quote, genuine lover of ice cream. I don't drink. I don't smoke, but I eat a lot of ice cream. And that is a fact. I mean, even during this presidency, Joe Biden has gotten ice cream 83 times in the span of his presidency, at least that we know of.

You may have gotten ice cream served to him privately at other times. and it was a major do you remember the Joe Biden citing at ice cream shops happening all around the country during Obama's 2008 campaign? He was everywhere. So he's often there. He's posed holding ice cream cones.

That's where the kids are. That's where they are. And he's actually has never stopped himself from sharing with children. children, his favorite things about ice creams. I think I cover that here. He often lectures to children about his favorite ice cream. Very strange. And he does this all while wearing the ray bands. It's very unusual. The guy always wears these ray bands while eating ice cream. He was asked at one point

in 2021 what his favorite ice cream was. And he shouts out, chocolate, chocolate chip. And nobody really understood what that specifically meant. Did that mean double chocolate with chips? Did that mean a chocolate ice cream with chocolate chips? We didn't know. But I did track down some of his orders. May 2021, he makes the chocolate chocolate chip order. June, same year, he got a strawberry and cookies and cream cone. And then in July of 2021, he went to Moomers homemade in Traverse City, Michigan, and he got a vanilla, with chocolate chip. It's feeling weird.

Two more. January 22, he got fancy. He ordered salted peanut butter with chocolate flex and blackout chocolate cake at Jennings on Capitol Hill. Jennings is the

Jennings is allegedly one of those places, Pete. One of those locations. Yeah. I can't really say more than that, but you understand what I mean. What's that? name is James Elefantus or something

like that? I think that was the pizza place who I'm not going to name is they're going to think we're alleging things we shouldn't be. But yeah, that's one of those places. This is all alleged. Yeah, of course. And then finally in October of 2022, he went to

a Baskin Robbins and got chocolate chip. Guy loves chocolate. Must be said. So he made a lot of public statements about ice cream, perhaps the most the most infamous statement he made occurred on March 27th of 2023. This was shortly after news broke of a mass shooting in Nashville

at the Nashville Elementary School where a a dude, a chick, I don't remember. A creature attacked a bunch of innocent children. And it looks like that happened again. That might have happened again today. It did. It did just happen again today. When will someone put a stop to this? Probably very soon, hopefully. I'm looking for RFK to reclassify some things on the DSM. That would be very good.

Yeah, that would be very nice. Yeah. That would be great. Anyway, he opens his remarks about the Nashville shooting. He was at some kind of woman's conference. It was a White House event for women-owned businesses. and he began his speech by saying, my name is Joe Biden.

I'm Dr. Jill Biden's husband, and I eat Jenny's ice cream, chocolate chip. I came down because I heard there was chocolate chip ice cream. By the way, I have a whole refrigerator full upstairs. You think I'm kidding? I'm not.

Then he paused for a moment after the audience stopped laughing. And then he said, this shooting was sick and heartbreaking. That was the switchup that he made. It was insane. Of course, Chris Christie, who also loves ice cream, comes out to defend him and goes, he misunderstood in that moment.

You sure? What a fuck. Yeah, people weren't happy about that one. Did you see the meme that Trump shared about the drones in New Jersey? No, I didn't actually. I've not looked at that. story. What did he share? He shared a meme of

Chris Christie, I think he was laying on the beach holding a McDonald's bag and there's a bunch of drones around him and they're all holding McDonald's bags. Oh, yeah. Yes. That is so awesome. Dude, we got to put Chris Christie in jail.

Somebody's got to figure out a way to do this. Throw them in there, man. Man, uh, 2022 brings us a different kind of Joe Biden actually. Started to get angrier. He called Peter Ducey a stupid son of a bitch

while he thought the mic was off. Do you remember that one? Yeah. I mean, he's not wrong, but... No, he's not wrong. But it was kind of funny because it's almost like Peter Ducey needed that. Like, the way he reacted was kind of like, I enjoy that. Like, he enjoyed being called a stupid son of a bitch by the president, which

props to him. one of my favorite events in Joe Biden history, June 18th, 2022. Joe Biden falls off his bike and then immediately goes to sniff a kid. Do you remember that? Yes, I remember that. He's like passes by this crowd of people. And he's wearing back up. Yeah, yes.

That's smell of vision. He's wearing all. like highlighter colored gear falls off his bike in a really pathetic way like after stopping falls off his bike like his foot got caught straight over

immediately gets up and then swoops down to the nearest nine year old and sniffs their hair it's a fascinating thing to watch finally in 2020 of course there were many things that happened in 2022 but finally in 2020

on September 1st, he delivered the Reds sermon. Now, I thought that this was equal parts hilarious and terrifying. Some of his famous quotes from it, Donald Trump and the Maga Republicans represent extremism that threatens the very foundation of our republic. Maga Republicans have made their choice. They embrace anger. They thrive on chaos. They live not in the life.

of truth, but in the shadow of lies. Maga Republicans do not respect the Constitution. They do not believe in the rule of law. They do not recognize the will of the people. There's no question that the Republican Party today is dominated, driven, and intimidated by Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans. And that is a threat to our country. democracy cannot survive when one side believes there are only two outcomes to an election.

Either they win or they were cheated. Biden accused, he goes out and accuses a bunch of these Republicans of refusing to accept free and fair elections and increasingly are talking about violence in response to actions they don't like. He described Maga as semi-fascism. and thought that they were insurrectionists and anti-American. And he did this. It was like a 40-minute speech.

And boy, was it great news. Do you remember the Red Sermon? Yeah, I remember the Red Sermon. I actually did a reaction live stream with my co-host, Aaron. Wait, what was your guys taking the time? Because I didn't even remember what his take was. I think Aaron was fired up about it Oh yeah

We were like I mean if this was our guy It'd be based Of course That's what I thought This is where This is where the Breitbart Republicans miss a lot

Is they don't just go You know what It's kind of cool That would It would have worked way better People would just acknowledge Like yeah That was a kind of a

Terrifying awesome speech It's just It was the wrong guy Who delivered it totally agree. All right, let's go into 2023. There is, you know, by 2023, things are just out of control. He's never gotten the name of his secretary of defense, right? He can never say Lloyd Austin. It's ridiculous. That's 10,000 different ways he said that guy's name. Another, a black guy, by the way. Couldn't be bothered to remember. If he would have called them corn pop, that would have been great.

You look like a guy I used to know. yeah but i mean there's so much by 2023 the he starts seeing ghosts actually he's seen ghosts every year of his presidency in 2022 uh in greensboro north carolina after a nearly 40 minute speech on the supply chain issues at the time if you remember that uh Biden turns to his right and he extends his hand for a handshake despite there being no one on or near off stage. Then in December in Milwaukee,

2023, at the conclusion of a speech to the Wisconsin Black Chamber of Commerce, the 36 Chambers of Commerce, Biden lifts his hands and he turns in different directions

after leaving the podium, like he's looking to give somebody a hug. Very unusual. And most recently that I've seen, actually it was more, not quite most recently, there's one after this, but April of 2024,

In Tampa, he's at a women's conference doing a speech on reproductive rights, and he extends his hands out towards the audience mid-speech, as if to shake everyone's hand. Most recently, he yelled at a ghost to stop doing that. And we never got an answer to what the ghost was doing. But yeah, live recorded is him, very old Joe, blue background. I remember it vividly. And he points at, I don't know where, somewhere in the crowd and goes, Hey, you stop doing that.

But he points too far up to have been pointing at the crowd. So it's like he's pointing at a floating ghosts or something like that. I really don't know. Yeah, ghost incidents were picking up intensely by 2023. The other thing that came to light in 2023 was Joe's ethnicity. Can you play an audio clip here for me? We got to meditate on this. Share it.

Yeah, let me send you. I'll send it to the private chat. It's a, and I'll give you some background while you pull it up. Joe Biden has talked a lot about his ethnicity over time. He's also talked about his just general past. His being raised in various different communities. And he hasn't stopped doing that even up to this year. And there's a great compilation that was put up when Joe Biden,

And it was by R&C research, I think made this. I'm not sure who actually put it together. But these are all the various times of Joe Biden claiming to be from or a part of a different ethnic community. You go ahead and play that. I was sort of raised in the Puerto Rican community. I had a very close relationship with the Greek-American community, for real. I am Joe Bidenopoulos. I grew up in a heavily Irish Catholic community in Scrant, Pennsylvania, and a heavily Italian-Polish community.

When I say I got raised in the black church, he knows I'm not kidding. The Persian culture is amazing. As a student of the Persian culture, I probably went to Shul more than many of you. I come out of the black community. The background of my family is Irish American. Not fundamentally unlike the Palestinian people. I might say raised in the synagogues to my state. everybody in town is either Polish or Italian.

I grew up feeling self-conscious. My name didn't end in the SKI. I was raised in the neighborhood where I felt self-conscious. My name didn't end in. What Joe is that? That is the most, that's the newest Joe. That is Chinese Joe that you're looking at right there. Okay.

Yeah, because that, that, there is no way on earth. I believe that's Joe Biden right there. That's the other thing is besides him claiming all these ethnic groups, he also looks like different ones, depending on what day it is. That's kind of how I was raised, like so many Americans of virus heritage. In HBCU, in your home state, Mr. President. Let me tell you, forget about it. That's right. That's where I got raised, man.

Just like rabbis, synagogues, and Jewish community centers in your hometown. And that's your tradition. I got raised. Hard working people, middle class, the neighbors I got raised. raised I was raised by Daniel. I was raised by a righteous Christian. I got raised on automobile. It's awesome, dude. Well, something great. Another great thing about that is that how many different Joe's are just in that video? No, there's like four. There's like four Joe's delivering 30 different statements about ethnicity.

Maybe they're just confused. Maybe each one of them got a different piece of information. So you heard in there references to his own Irish heritage, which is Joe is Irish by heritage. I don't know if he's a pure-blooded Irishman, but he's Irish by recognized heritage. He's made various jokes over time about being Irish. At the Friends of Ireland Luncheon held in the U.S. Capitol, he goes, I'm the only Irishman you ever met that hasn't had a drink. So I'm okay. I'm not really Irish.

December of 2022 during a Veterans Town Hall, he goes, and you'll remember this. I may be Irish, but I'm not stupid. And as the same time, he insisted he was a little Italian because his wife's family is Italian. another one in March in March of 22 he began his St. Patrick's Day remarks with the same joke as before. I want you to know I may be Irish, but I'm not stupid. He said that twice in one year.

I mean, if you have a banger, you got to revisit. Yeah, totally. Totally. And it is a cheap pop, but really it's a good one. finally and we're approaching 2024 and there's just it feels like this has been the year of the most Biden gaffs possible and any of them come to mind immediately I picked out three three different ones to discuss 24 yeah I'm god there's I can't I can't pick anything out so one that happened quite recently he got lost in the Amazon jungle after meeting a bunch of ayahuasca shamans. He went to Brazil, maybe it was Colombia, to speak about indigenous rights during a period of rainforest area removal.

And after he concludes his remarks, he turns around and goes into a sea of jungle and reads, just walking into the jungle. AIDS actually had to intercept him before he left, just went off. Who gave him the ayahuasca? So he did have a meeting with an Amazonian shaman in one of their little tents. And these are the same Amazonian shamans that a lot of like crypto space guys and other things like that will go to these shamans in order to get legal ayahuasca because they're allowed to administer it medicinally. So that's what they go do.

And so Joe went to go meet with one of them. And I'll have you remember after he did this, he became really based. He put the MAGA hat on. His wife started dressing only in red and hasn't talked to Kamala Harris since. He told his own voters to go vote for Donald Trump if they didn't like him back when he was still running. He did that again, by the way, another banger he repeated. And so, yeah, he had a spirit quest that he completed, evidently, and it got Donald Trump elected, I think. Yeah, and that was a good one.

This was a very memorable one. And finally, we're going to miss him. Netanyahu and his relationship has been very interesting. If you'll recall earlier this year, he said that he and Netanyahu had to have a come-to-Jesus moment. and then they eventually met and when they met Biden did the sign of the cross when he saw Netanyahu

that that was that's my favorite Biden of all time yeah my favorite because I mean I would be doing the same thing while you know having a rosary

clenched in my fist yeah dude and then of course, I hate to make you have to do this, but if you can pull this one up quickly for me, this is the last moment, and I'll buy some time here by reminding everyone about multiple Joe theory. We have, over time, we have explored different possibilities for the reason why there are different looking Joe's. One theory is clone Joe theory. I personally think it's a total joke of a theory. Some people believe it, the theory essentially posits that the reason for

different Bidens is because they are clones of Biden. I have a lot of problems with it. Can't afford to go into it now. Another theory, as we explained already, is multiple Joe theory, which is compartmentalized groups of different actors who all think they're the only guy playing Joe Biden. This clip that I'm about to have you listen to here is a clip which illuminated a new theory about the possible reasons why there are different-looking Bidens. Go ahead and play this clip here, Pete.

you know one of the things that's going on here they just turned off my i'm going to go on it i lost the electricity here anyway one of the things we found is that you know we uh we on

December 9th uh Joe Biden admitted potentially um it could mean two things of course but it's what gives validation potentially to the theory Joe Biden says they turned

my electricity off after literally turning off for about a half a second, you can see it happen. He turns off, reboots, solid state boots back up, and he turns back on. And so then that half a second, either he's looking at a teleprompter that goes off or a camera that goes off or something like that, or he's talking about himself. And given the other grammatical context of the other words he uses, it sounds like he's referring to himself. that Joe himself's electricity was turned off. That in combination with the literal shutting down for half a second led our third theory on Joe to be released,

which was, what did we call it, Robo Joe. I believe we called it Robo Joe. Robo Joe theory that just dropped just a few days ago on the 9th of December, 2024. Seems like it was the last big reveal of the Biden administration, and you said it before, Pete, and I'll say it now, I'm really going to miss this guy in the sick and twisted kind of way. I'm really going to miss him.

I think one of my favorite moments this year was an interaction he had with Donald Trump during the debate, which, you know, of course was just Joe being Joe, but then Trump just made him that much more lovable when Joe says something completely incoherent. And Trump goes, I don't know what he said. I don't think he knows what he said. It was being, it was sad because it was clear they drugged him up real bad that day to make him even worse. Because you remember after he lost, basically after he was forced to step down in a coup executed by the Kamala Harris regime, which failed in the election anyway,

after he was forced to step down, he started to like come back to cognizance. it was very clear that he was being suppressed medically on top of being an old possibly fifth clone of a guy yeah he um that where was it in Pennsylvania where he was at that thing where he put the maga he put the Trump hat on yeah he's getting heckled by a Trump guy

and he really handled the heckling incredibly for us which is he grabbed the guy's hat put it on over his own hat and smiled at the camera and I think at this point he was just so pissed off about how he was ousted when he was assured personally that it was good for him to run and when everybody else was assured that it was good for him to run and then they pulled the rug on him and they didn't even do it with a DNC vote of who would take his place. They just installed basically his rival who he put on the border to ensure her failure for four years. She got one up on him and he was pissed and he did all about everything other than practically admit people should have just. voted for Donald Trump. I mean, he did everything nearly other than explicitly say that.

And so I kind of tell you, I kind of felt, you know, in the DEI world, I kind of felt like it was just desserts for both of them, honestly. Yeah. Yeah, I always, I always wondered if it was Jill who was doing it to him. and then, you know, after you saw the way she started acting after Kamala took over, then I wondered, maybe not. She seems to be having some fun with this. Why should, why would she be having fun with this if she was the one behind it?

Yeah, I actually think one thing we might have learned was Joe and Jill are working together. Instead, it's weird because it did, honestly, seeing his kind of rapid return to cognizance after the pressure release valve was hit and he was kicked out. I made me go, well, there's more to it than just he's an old dementiaic. He might have been intentionally being suppressed. I mean, beyond his already mental decline. Yeah, I was, uh, you know, I think enough people, you know, compared it to like, um, Woodrow and Edith Wilson.

Yes. At some point, Woodrow Wilson had a stroke and. Edith was Edith and Colonel House were pretty much running the running the White House. I think that was basically the case with Reagan and his Alzheimer's also as Nancy was running the show for a little while until that ended. Pretty sure.

Yeah, I don't know if it's happened before. I don't think he was as bad as Biden though. Reagan by the end. I don't think Reagan had gotten as bad as Biden. Well, it all depends if Biden is being intentionally suppressed. Oh, you just mean from what we saw? I agree with that. Yeah. Yeah.

From what we saw, I agree with that. If they were, if they were drugging him to turn him into a, you know, tournaments to a zombie and tournaments of zombie Joe, then, yeah, that'd be interesting. This is interesting thought. Or they put a computer bug in his chip. We have to remember he might not even be an organic entity at this point. He might be a real robot. We really don't know.

Do you want to talk about the, the, a listener? theory that came out recently that may be the most insane theory yeah somebody messaged me where is it because i still got it right here i just want to read read who sent it to me uh yeah okay so my buddy photon ray who sent me many strange things to track in the past there was a picture of Hunter Biden that was recently photographed after he was pardoned by Joe Biden and now this still requires that we explain multiple Joe theory because there's a guy

playing the role of Joe Biden who issued a pardon to Hunter Biden but when you look at this picture that this guy sent me of Hunter Biden wearing aviators and a black hat with a grin on his face as he goes to Arby's he looks exactly like the original Joe Biden. I mean, the Joe Biden, who was the vice president,

before any of this multiple Joe stuff when it was clearly the same guy. He looks exactly like that guy Hunter does. And so he goes, quote, okay, listen, hear me out.

That's how he opens. You know what it opens like that. It's going to be great. I know you've gotten those. I know you've gotten messages like this. So you know. Daily. How it is.

Daily. And he goes, this is OG Joe. He's been a little alive and has been draining the youth from the clones to keep him alive and sniffing cocaine and young women all day and night. His final act of presidency, pardoning himself of the whole scheme. It's just so the idea being that Joe Biden has replaced Hunter Biden and that the guy who's the president right now who's Joe Biden, who pardoned Hunter Biden.

Biden is a robot or a clone that Hunter is sucking the life out of. That is the, so I got this theory at about two in the morning and I read it and then I went to bed. And then I woke up the next day and I read it again and I went, this is incredible. I got to bring this into the chat. And, yeah, and Aaron is in there and he goes, nice, Kaiser Jose theory. So that's our fourth Joe Biden identity theory is that he's actually Hunter. Yeah. Well, I mean, that would make a lot of sense.

Why he would love the Ukraine so much. That would make a lot of sense. No, it wouldn't. No, it wouldn't. None of this makes any sense, including what really might be going on. It doesn't make any sense either. Do we have to finish by turning this all around and talking about what? an evil

son of a bitch he actually is. I guess. I mean, do we? No, I don't know. At this point,

you know. Yeah. What are you going to do? I mean, that's kind of how I feel about the whole thing is it's so very much, what are you going to do?

Yeah, he was evil. Yeah, a lot of people die because of him. America was permanently damaged because of him. But he was great for my podcast. So like, what kind of know what to say.

Yeah. I benefited. Yeah. I remember back in like 2016, no, this was 2008. And some people may even listen to this guy. He's still around. Andrew Wilkow, he was on like Sirius XM. Maybe he still is or something like that.

But he was talking about Obama getting elected. And he's like, you know, I think he'll destroy the country. But if he gets elected, but if he gets elected, I have a daily show. and for eight years, I'm going to have stuff to talk about. Yeah. That's how it is, man. It's the only thing that worries me about Trump is there might not be anything good to talk about. Like, what are you going to do?

You can't do a show where you go, oh, the guy did this and you go, all right, that's not a good show. You need, like, talking about beating people up at the pool and calling people fat and that's what you need. And Trump doesn't need to do that anymore. And Biden doesn't, I can't do that anymore. So it's just important we remember what we're losing here. As much as you might hate him, boy, he made some great content that we all really loved and enjoyed. Yeah, I mean, there were, and I mean, you're, there are content creators out there who, like, have daily shows who, I mean, just basically centered it all around Joe Biden. And, I mean, that's, that's even assuming he was in charge.

you know he's just the face he's just the face that you yell at yeah everybody's like no well really it was susan rice and obama were in charge the whole time and this and that and it's like well you first of all you don't know that for a fact that's your opinion anthony blenkin who's in charge if anything well yeah i mean yeah yeah was that uh net yeah who's lawyer. Yeah. Yeah. Well, well, we, that could quickly veer off into my tracking podcast, and we don't need to, we don't need to do that. We leave that all for you. We leave all of it for you. Well, I mean, and I guess it's, you know, glad to see Joe go, but hate to see him leave. Oh, so true. So true.

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Check out all of our great shit. If you like Aaron, he's Pete's co-hosts, guys didn't know. Aaron's on the show sometimes. Yeah. Whatever. I'm overplugs. There's probably been a couple years that Aaron has appeared on more of my episodes than on your guys' episodes. Yeah. I think we're counting about about equal now. What about appearances? It's about a 50-50. You know what's funny is most weeks we run to run to the city to do our grocery shopping for the week. And most of the weeks, it happens on a Wednesday.

So we go to climb in the vehicle and, you know, I'm grabbing my phone and opening my phone to listen to something. And my wife will look at me and go, what are we listening to? And then she'll go, oh, it's Wednesday. That's got to be about half of the reactions people give to the RSS feed updating. Oh, yeah, it's Wednesday. She wanted me to say hi, by the way. And hello.

All right, man. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Thank you.