The Pete Quiñones Show - Reading Solzhenitsyn's '200 Years Together' w/ Dr. Matthew Raphael Johnson - Episodes 71-80

Episode Date: December 3, 2025

8 Hours and 13 MinutesPG-13Dr. Matthew Raphael Johnson is a researcher, writer, and former professor of history and political science, specializing in Russian history and political ideology.Here are episodes 71-80 in which Pete reads Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's '200 Years Together," and Dr' Johnson provides commentary.Dr Johnson's PatreonDr Johnson's CashApp - $Raphael71RusJournal.orgTHE ORTHODOX NATIONALISTDr. Johnson's Radio Albion PageDr. Johnson's Books on AmazonPete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's SubstackPete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

I want to welcome, everyone, back to part 71 of our reading of 200 years together by Alexander Solzhenycin. How are you doing, Dr. Johnson? Well, you know, we've had some very bad news to deal with. The good news is that the spinal tap sequel is out. It's gotten mixed reviews. I don't care, though. I love them when I was a kid. I think there was a point where I think.

thought there were a real band when I was very, very young. They came out 83, 84, and I came out with it. And I think, I think it's great. What I've, what I've seen so far online has been very exciting. That's the only, you know, positive stuff that we can really talk about today. If anybody is a big spinal tap fan, the same team did another mockumentary that I think a lot of people would find hilarious called Best In Show. It's about centers around dog shows, people who, you know, have these dogs that they train so that they can be, you know, dog show worthy and Westminster Kennel Club thing like that.

And it is hysterical, the characters that they have in that. Oh, I never heard of it. I'm a big trailer park boys fan, though. My son got me into it years ago. all right if you are ready i'm ready let's talk about the cronstadt uprising yes sir all right the cronstadt uprising had distinctly anti-jewish character and so all the more was it doomed they destroyed portraits of trotsky and zinoviev both jewish but not those of lennon and zinoviev didn't have guts to go to negotiate with the rebels he would be torn into pieces

So they sent Kalinin, who was Russian. There were labor strikes in Moscow in February 1921 that had the slogan, Down with Communists and Jews. We have already mentioned that during the Civil War, the majority of Russian socialists and there were numerous Jews among them were, of course, on Lenin's side, not on Admiral Colchek's, and some of them actually fought for the Bolsheviks. For example, consider Buden member Solomon Schwartz,

During the period of the provisional government, he was a director of a department and a ministry. During the Civil War, he volunteered to the Red Army, though he did not indicate his rank. Later, he emigrated abroad where he published two books about the Jewish situation in the USSR. We will cite him below. Well, unless he talks about the Kronstadt uprising more later, I could have sworn he wrote more on it. I've read the Marxist interpretations of this. Of course, it's not shocking that they don't mention the Jewish angle of it. There's been several Kronstadt rebellions, one in 1917 and one in 1906.

That particular area, this is just off Petersburg, an island. and, you know, I'm going to do a paper on it. I have to do a paper on it now. Even the right wing didn't say too much about it, except for the fact that, yeah, maybe there is a, this would have been a very different kind of socialism. However, in their demands, they do say freedom of speech, but only, they say it explicitly, but only for leftists and socialist parties. that apparently was acceptable at the time. Trotsky, this is a huge issue. This was a massive watershed.

I want to make it clear. I may have erred in the past. I think I've mentioned it several times. War communism comes first. The new economic policy comes second. War communism referring to both the Civil War and World War I. the very end of World War I. And, but regardless, by 1921, the economy was worse than at any point in Russian history.

And it will be very difficult for them to recover. Marxists are still talking about it today. Trotsky was in charge of really the suppression. and there's one of the more proof that he was identical with Lenin and Stalin in this regard they tried to make up stories that they were the white immigrants created this that that that was their new you know how the left needs to need someone to demonize and the capitalist despite the fact that capitalists were investing in in the Soviet Union but they said whatever they needed to say

and there was even a point I think in the early 30s that Trotsky said I can't believe people are still talking about this now one group of people who were very affected with the anarchists Berkman and Rosette Luxembourg

said that this was the end of any form of socialism well I you know what were the options you either have the market or you have central planning you have the dictatorship of the proletariat or you have an unpopular party stand for elections

this is why they all look the same that was never any interest in worker control of anything but of course you know the Soviet press at the time really was awful it turns out something like 20,000 people were killed when the sailors rose up in the midst of this disaster

they didn't recognize the Soviet government but it took a long time for them to say we don't recognize the Soviet government they were willing to work with them for a while and Zinoviev and Trotsky just made it impossible but really wouldn't negotiate with them

and you know if you're you're opposed to us you're you know if you're not with us and everything you're against us and everything and um but this was a dividing line here it wasn't too long after this that the new economic policy came through war communism was was removed and and abandoned um now how much of this was anti-jewish i can't say off the top of my head um certainly they realized that the Jews were running everything that they had people in positions

I've said before that you know had no right to be there and these guys at least had gone up the ranks and knew you had a and and this is all just the Baltic fleet not merely Kronstadt but it was when you know a clearly socialist movement you have the old Soviet style, the Soviet of St. Petersburg, rose up against the Bolsheviks, and the Bolsheviks had to start

the slaughter of them. Although a good chunk of them did flee to Finland. Stalin gave them amnesty. Well, he said, if you come back, you know, we won't do anything to you, we'll be fine. And, of course, he either put them in the gulag or killed them all. It's naivete with people. Like, you know, socials could ever be taken at their word. But these, at least in their formal pronouncements, they were leftists. And I think also an interesting part of their agenda was they wanted a free trade in handicrafts or agriculture, small scale. Now, of course, we have no problem with that. Because in the end to the grain requisitions, which was destroying the economy, you had a massive,

famine by now you had strikes everywhere and you know what were they striking against they were striking against the workers paradise how could that possibly be unless of course they have no connection with the and and the bolshevik party because of this isolated itself but it had always been isolated but but even now even more so from workers and peasants and even their own military it became a cult um run by trotsky and and uh Zinovian and obviously a Jewish

character but it's true they did say down with Communists and Jews they realized that Jews were being put in

all these ridiculous positions imported from all over the world wherever they could find one they could bring in

and they said this isn't how it's supposed to be but again I think they were very naive there

this is how socialism in this is how Marxism is supposed to go I don't think if Karl Marx

was a dictator at the time he wouldn't have done anything differently because he had a very tremendous violent streak in him personally so but this is a period of total economic collapse all the promises of the Leninists as I've mentioned before were all broken that were never going to

give peasants land or anything like that no workers control that was ridiculous and it's one of the reasons that the Yugoslav party and Stalin broke from each other because there was an attempt in Yugoslavia for self-management

and that was a really they almost invaded Yugoslavia they hated that idea so much and they used they kept using the phrase you know the workers of Russia aren't ready for true communism

and I get that could only mean you can mean a few things I think it could mean they haven't been brainwashed to know or our enemies within them haven't been eliminated yet and this goes along at the same time with massive peasant uprisings all over Russia it's a miracle that they

but the white armies were in the process of leaving and so these were scattered rebellions rather than any singular front against the Bolsheviks that's the only reason they were able to win and they could win because they did get Western money and they were very well armed and they were willing to do anything including using poison gas

poison gas was a big part of their destruction of the Antonov rebellion in South Russia or Tambov region probably the biggest of the present uprisings roughly around this time and all this means now is this famine shortages of everything beyond belief it wasn't a third world

It was a 10th world country at this point. And they, and I don't know, London died in 1925, and the NEP was stopped pretty quickly. Had Lennon lived longer, I'm not sure it would have happened here, but Stalin had, you know,

was able to hold on. So it was just, the Kronosat Rebellion, you know, it's still being discussed. It was a huge, and it's, whatever,

legitimacy people thought the Bolsheviks had was destroyed and the Jewish nature of Bolsheism

was also exposed quite a bit but you know a lot of its opponents were Jews too but right up until

the day he died Trotsky said I did the right thing there I did the right thing by attacking and destroying them

there's no negotiating with the white army he has figured these sailors were white sailors you know, and the white emigrays were now the new bad guy to be used pretty much, you know, for the next 20 years, and it justified anything that the Soviets did. Thus, it looked as though not only Bolshevik Jews, but all of Jewry had decided to take the Red Side in the Civil War.

Could we claim that their choice was completely deliberate? No. Could we claim they didn't have any other. choice. Again, no. Shulgin describes the enormous exodus from Kiev in October 1st, 1919, as a city was to be surrendered to Bolsheviks. It was an entirely Russian exodus. People were leaving on foot with knapsacks across the bridges over Denepper River. He estimated their numbers at around 60,000. Quote, there were no Jews in this exodus. They were not noticeable among those many thousands of Russians, men, women, and children, with bundles in their hands streaming across the beautiful

chain bridge under a sorrowful net of rain. There were more than 100,000 Jews in Kiev at that time. Shulgin writes, and all of those rich and very rich Jews, they didn't leave. They chose to stay and wait for arrival of Bolsheviks. Quote, the Jews decided not to share their fate with us, and with that they carved a new and possibly the deepest divide between us. No kidding. I think these rich Jews knew that they were going to be treated very well. The fact that they were wealthy had nothing to do with anything.

And they, of course, you know, because they had money and they had some administrative experience, they were putting all these positions to run the country, even though they had no experience in it. They did very, very well. And he's right. There were no Russians in this existence. The immigration after, as a civil war came to an end from 1990, 1921, you know, it changed the world because it, you know, I wouldn't be probably Russian Orthodox without it because so many of the, the Russian Orthodox emigrate churches, a Russian Orthodox church abroad, et cetera, you know, reached out to non, you know, non-Russians. and it changed a lot and when Solzhenitsyn's exile too in the 70s changed everything

and the writings of the immigrants were brilliant Ivan Eileen of course just being one of them but yeah no kidding this just proves that this had nothing to do with social equality whether you were wealthy or not this clearly was an ethnic movement at the time the rich Jews chose to stay and wait for the arrival of the Bolsheviks.

Well, if I were them, I do the same thing. So it was in many other places. According to the testimony of socialist revolutionary SMS-love, quote, it is a fact that in towns and cities of southern Russia, especially in cities to the west of the Denepper that changed hands repeatedly, the arrival of Soviets was mostly celebrated and the most of hollow sympathy was expressed in the Jewish quarters and not infrequently only in those alone.

A contemporary American historian, Bruce Lincoln, author of a big treatise about our civil war, said that the entire Ukrainian Czechos was composed of almost 80% by Jews that can be explained by the fact that prior to arrival of the Reds, cruel pogroms went on nonstop. Indeed, those were the bloodiest pogroms since the times of Bogdan Kemalnitsky. We will discuss a pogrom soon, though it should be noted that the time sequence was actually the opposite. it. Those 80% Jews were already staffing the Cheka in 1918, whereas the Petlioras, a Ukrainian publicist, writer, journalist who was head of the state during the Ukrainian independence of 1918, 1920, pogroms only gathered momentum during 191919. The pogroms by white army troops began in the fall of 1919. You know, when I mentioned academics promoting this crap, Bruce Lincoln is number one, on my list. He is, of course, he's dead now. He was one of the first people I read on this.

And I couldn't believe I was getting so angry. Nothing, you know, this was, it was so nonsensical. He hated the monarchy. He wasn't so hot about the Bolivics either. And he was clearly a leftist and he didn't hide it. But he was pretending to be a survey historian on this stuff. but one of the reasons he claimed to hate the monarchy was that they just nonstop hated the Jews for no reason. Bruce Lincoln is another one of these guys. Gary Hamburger is another.

When I refer to academics, this is who I mean. There are many others, of course. Yet it is impossible to answer the eternal question who is a guilty party, who pushed it into abyss. Of course, it is incorrect to say that the Kiev Cheka did what it did because it was three-quarters Jewish. still, this is something that Jewish people should remember and reflect upon. Yeah, that'll be the day. That'll be the day. But they demand this of everyone else. White people, remember with George Floyd stuff?

White people need to look inside themselves and change their behavior. This is their famous, like I said, the serves in the 90s, this is their famous thing. Everything but themselves, they will never take responsibility for what they've done. live they've told and the misery that they've brought to the world. And people like Bruce Lincoln will talk about alleged programs against the Jews to cover over the fact that there were actual programs in Russia at the time, and it was against Orthodox people and churches specifically. And yes, there were Jews then who appealed to their compatriots looking back on the tragedy

that had befallen both Russia and Russian Jewry. In their proclamation to the Jews of all countries, this group wrote in 1923 that overly zealous participation of Jewish Bolsheviks in the oppression and destruction of Russia is blamed upon all of us. The Soviet rule is identified with Jewish rule and fierce hatred of Bolsheviks turns into the equally fierce hatred of Jews. We firmly believe that Bolshevism is the worst of all evils possible for the Jews and all other peoples of Russia, and that's a fight tooth that nail against the rule of the international rabble over Russia is our sacred duty before humankind, culture, before our motherland, and the Jewish people.

Yet the Jewish community reacted to these declarations with great indignation. We will discuss it in the next chapter. I'm not sure. What group is he talking about here? They're foreign Jews, I think. Jews that I guess wrote a proclamation called to the Jews of all countries. Yeah. That's the title of the proclamation.

I'm not sure who that is, though, or where they were, but the point he's trying to make is that Jews in Russia and Ukraine were outrageous. This is our movement. We are proud of it. And, you know, the great line, people like Bruce Lincoln always promoted is that if it wasn't for Tsarist anti-Semitism, for no reason, of course, there wouldn't have been. That justifies the slaughter of millions. and grain requisitions and burning down of churches. Of course, that's not the case at all. We know what the truth is, just from this, just from this book alone.

The Civil War spilled over Russia's borders. Let's review that briefly, though the events in Europe are outside the scope of this book. The Bolsheviks invaded Poland in 1920. At this point, they had recalled and adroitly used the Russian national longing and national enthusiasm as Nahamk Deklov put it in an Izvestia editorial, and it appears that Polish Jews met the Red Army very warmly, according to a Soviet source whose battalions of Jewish workers participated in the fighting at Minsk. Reading from the Jewish Encyclopedia, quote, on numerous occasions, Poles accused Jews of supporting the enemy of anti-Polish, pro-Bulshevist, and even pro-Ukrainian attitudes, end

quote. During the Soviet Polish war, many Jews, quote, were killed by Polish army on charges of spying for the Red Army, end quote. However, we should be wary of possible exaggerations here as we remember similar accusations in espionage made by Russian military authorities during the war in 1915. The Soviets quickly formed a revolutionary government for Poland headed by F. Dürzynski. In it were Y. Markilevsky and F. Kohn. Of course, they were surrounded by blood work specialists and ardent propagandists. Among the latter, we see a former pharmacist from Mogilev, A.I. Rotenberg.

Soon after the aborted Red Revolution in Poland, he, together with Belakun and Zalkin Zamyaka, went on to conduct the deadly cleansing of the Crimea. In 1921, he participated in that glorious work again, this time purging Georgia, again under the direct command of Zerzinski. At the end of the 1920s, Rotenberg was in charge of the Moscow NKVD. It's incredible how much these guys, they have to move from place to place so quickly. Again, there's only so many Jews in the world. So they have to go and take over the organization and purge and destroy whoever. Balakun, we all know who Balakun is

who created the Red Terror in Hungary and ran a completely Judaic Communist Party there same thing for the little parties that took over, you know, in Bavaria and North Germany almost exclusively Jewish

anytime, like, you know, when Hitler was first elected and he put pressure on some of these people, you know, the sexual revolutionaries. The first place they went to is the SSR as if to prove his point um

Belakun you know the level of blood that's on that man's hands um Coon is just Cohen and of course the Dersinski, Markleski and Kohn that's all everyone is Jewish

Dersinski coming from from a very wealthy family you know it's you know they just it was they were capable of this using tremendous propaganda weaponry I mentioned poison gas

there was nothing they wouldn't do to push their agenda and they would lie to people they would say that we're not really into this which was why in 1921 the problem with Constat Rebellion was now they couldn't really hide

including the Western press so you know it was a Jewish movement and they circulated these people tremendously and people think that, you know, Belakone is Hungarian, right?

Well, he couldn't be. He's a Jew, but he has no connection to it there. He was just a sign there by Stalin many years later and created the Red Terror government there. It's incredible how, what kind of work this was for them. Not only Poland, but Hungary and Germany as well were affected by the Red Revolution. An American researcher writes, the intensity and tenacity of anti-Semitic prejudice in both the east and center of Europe

was significantly influenced by Jewish participation in the revolutionary movement. I'm sorry, I thought it was jealousy. Yeah, we're doing so much better than you. Yeah, it's just, I mean, it's the high IQ. Must be. I'm jealous of the high IQ. Yes. In the beginning of 1919, the Soviets, under predominantly Jewish leadership, started revolutions

in Berlin and Munich. And the share of activist Jews was disproportionately high in the German Communist Party of that period, though that party supported the Jewish community at large was not significant. Four out of 11 members of the Central Committee were Jews with a university education. In December 1918, one of them Rosa Luxembourg wrote, in the name of the greatest aspirations of humankind. Our motto when we deal with our enemies is finger into the eye, knee on the chest. Rebellion in Munich was led by a theater critic, Kurt Eisner, a Jew of Bohemian appearance. He was killed, but the power and conservative in Catholic Bavaria was seized by a new government

made up of leftist intellectual Jews who proclaimed the Bavarian Soviet Republic, G. Landauer, E. Toller, a Musum, O. Newrath. In a week, the Republic was overthrown by an even more radical group, which declared that the second Bavarian Soviet Republic with Eugene Levine at the helm. Let's read an article about him in the encyclopedia. Born into a merchant Jewish family, I've never heard that before. Never. He used to be a socialist revolutionary. He participated in the Russian Revolution in 1905, later became German National, joined the Spartacist movement of Rosenberg and E. Leipnacht. And now he became the head of the communist government in Bavaria, which also included the

above-mentioned E. Musam, E. Toler, and a native of Russia, M. Levin. The uprising was defeated in May 1919. Quote, the fact that the leaders of the suppressed communist revolts were Jews was one of the most important reasons for the resurrection of political anti-Semitism in contemporary Germany. I know. This is a shock to me. I've been jealous this whole time. I had no idea they were controlling these revolutions. I have no idea how the national socialism came to power there.

I have no clue. Amazing. Amazing. All right. While Jews played a quite conspicuous role in the Russian and German communist revolutions, their role in Hungary became central. Central. Out of 49 people's commissars there, 31 were Jews. Belakun being the most prominent of them. The foreign minister, de facto had a government, he would orchestrate a bloodbath in Crimea half a year later.

Here we find Matias Rokosi, T. Borges, Zamuli, Guarguish. Granted, the prime minister was a Gentile, Sandor Garbai, but Rakosi later joke that Garby was elected because someone had to sign execution orders on Sabbath days. Oh, my God. There are people listening to this who think this, they're going to think this is just all hyper, hyperbole. I know. I know. And this has, and this has, and what they'll think is this has nothing to do with Jewish

attitudes today, like organized jury's attitudes today. Right. Right. Okay, yeah, I know. Statues of Hungarian kings and heroes were knocked off their pedestals. The National Anthem outlawed and wearing the national colors criminalized. The tragedy of the situation was escalated by the fact that historically, Hungarian Jews were much wealthier than their Eastern European countrymen and were much more successful in Hungarian society. Oh, well, there's the, there's the jealousy right there.

I had a phase where I was very interested in Nicola Horsi, the so-called Regent Admiral that finally saved Hungary from Belakun. And, you know, he was the only four. And I can never think of the guy's name, Sandor Garby. He was the guy I mentioned before where Stalin said, you got to find somebody. You got to find somebody You know, to put up there that's not a Jew Of the 4931 Those that were not Jews on the people's commonsors

Were irrelevancies They knew there were minorities And they had no power in it So the joke about They had to, you know, signing execution orders on Sabbath days No, it had more to do with the fact that the Soviet Union demanded that they were being exposed. People were noticing that this is a completely Jewish movement.

Hungary was probably the worst. They didn't do anything for the country. They didn't even pretend to do anything for the country. It was simply Jewish theft. Garbae probably was, I could just picture this poor guy. You know, I thought this was all about equality. and and, and, you know, the destruction of exploitation and everything. I had no idea this was part of the agenda.

But, you know, yeah, I'll sign whatever you want. But he's the guy. I'm terrible with names, but he's, he's the guy I can never remember who the USSR said, find somebody who's not a Jew because every single person that matters in this government is Jewish. And exposure is a problem. so they found him, and it took a while to find him. The direct relation between the Hungarian Soviet Republic and our civil war becomes more clear by the virtue of the fact that the Special Red Army Corps

were being prepared to go to the rescue of the Hungarian Soviet Republic, but they couldn't manage it in time and the Republic fell in August 1919. The breakdown of the universally hated Russian Empire cost all involved dearly, including the Jews, G. Landau, in general, revolution is gruesome, risky and dangerous business. It is especially gruesome and dangerous for a minority, which in many ways is alien to the bulk of population. To secure their well-being, such minority should unwaveringly cling to law and rely on unshakable continuity of social order and on the inertia of statutory power. Forces of revolutionary misalignment and

permissiveness hit such a minority particularly hard. Keep in mind that universally hated that he's being absolutely sarcastic there. Remember, you know, it was the Russian Empire that put the the emperor of Austria-Hungary back on his throne that defended the German Empire, you know, prior to the war, of course. That was one of the only countries in Europe that that didn't hate the idea of German unification. So he's being very sarcastic there.

And in their world, in their minds, yes, it's universal. but of course what Landau said this is the last thing they did you know it seems like they their view comes from Moses Hess that if enough of the world falls to us that if enough of the world comes under our our sway either directly or indirectly we'll either be our own Messiah we are our own Messiah or the Messiah will then come one of the two And this is why their behavior doesn't change. Even when they know that they're creating a lot of hatred, they don't do anything about it.

They don't even attempt to do anything about it. They seem to have this short circuit in their brain that forbids them from seeing when they're going too far. It was looming, straightforward into the so promising future. Yet in the near future during the Civil War, there was no law and jury was hit by pillages and pogroms on the scale not even close to anything they experienced in days of the Tsar. And those pogroms were launched not by the white side. Because of the density of the Jewish population in Ukraine, it was inevitable that a third force,

apart from the Reds and Whites, would interfere in the Jewish destinies, that of Ukrainian separatism. In April 1917, when the Ukrainian Rada, Upper House of Parliament, assembled for the first time, Jewry did not yet believe in the victory of Ukrainian nationalism, and that was manifested in the character of their voting during municipal summer elections. Jews did not have any reason to vote for Ukrainian separatists. But already in June, when something resembling real independent Ukrainian governance was taking shape under which apparently the Jews would have to live from now on, the Jewish representatives entered the lesser Rada, and a vice-secretariat on Jewish nationality, Jewish ministry was established. The latter worked on the long-cherished project of Jewish national

autonomy, according to which every nationality and now, the Jewish one, creates its own national union, which can legislate according to the needs and interests of their nation, and for it receives financial support from the treasury, and a representative of the union becomes a member of the cabinet. Initially, the formative Ukrainian government was generally benevolent toward Jews, but by the end of 1917, the mood changed, and the bill on autonomy was met in the rotto with laughter and contempt. Nevertheless, in January 1918, it was passed through with difficulties. For their part, the Jews reluctantly accepted the third universal. November 9, 1917, the initiation of Ukrainian independence from Russia, as now they feared anarchy, traditionally

dangerous for Jewish populations, and were afraid of a split with Russian Jewry. Still, Jewish Philistines were making fun of the Ukrainian language and shop signs, were afraid of Ukrainian nationalism and believed in the Russian state and Russian culture. Lenin wrote, Jews, like great Russians, ignore the significance of the national question in Ukraine. Well, to the extent that the entire Ukrainian mind came from the Cossacks, and the Cossacks made their entire purpose, the war on Jews, and that makes a lot of sense. Ukrainians were a rural people, a country people. Foreigners ran the cities.

In my book, somebody called Ukrainian nationalism, I deal with the literature and how that works out in the Ukrainian mind. You know, Ivan Franco and people like that. But these weren't pogroms. These were battles. You know, these were armed Jewish battalions. They weren't just, you know, simple, you know, Jews peddling things. These are armed Jewish battalions. And frankly, I don't think they really understood anything about Ukraine or Ukrainian history, except that they hated it.

And I've been saying from the beginning of this war, the present war, whether whether the casualties being Ukrainian or Russian, it doesn't matter, they win either way. I know the Chabad organization called Chernobyl the great miracle of our day You know A sign of the of the Messiah So don't think they just you know Love Ukrainians just for for For being Ukrainians

They hate them as much as they do Russians that's a very different set of reasons They were still Orthodox And And you know my book goes into great detail on this question this is a problem of knowing too much about something and they didn't believe in the Russian state and Russian culture

no they believed in the Soviet state and the Soviet culture that's what they believed in they can call it Russian all they want but it's not now the last line from Lenin we've mentioned before Lenin's the significance of the national question there was simply to lie and say you join with us after the directory fell

you join with us and you will have full autonomy within this empire not quite independence but full autonomy everything will be done in Ukraine you don't have to worry about anything and of course that was a lie immediately when this was all over

and the war was all over all that changed and again you have to be stupid to believe them at this point. But that's what London means by ignore the significance of the national question in Ukraine is creating this propaganda meme, essentially. However, everything pointed towards secession in the Jewish delegates and the Rada did not dare to vote against the Fourth Universal, January 11, 1918, on complete secession of Ukraine.

Immediately thereafter, the Bolsheviks began an offensive against Ukraine. The first Ukrainian Central Committee of the Ukrainian Communist Party of Bolsheviks was formed in Moscow and later moved to Karkov. It was headed by Gorgi Piatakov and among its members were Semyon Schwartz and Serafima Gopener. You've got the Ukrainian names. Yeah. They're Ukrainian. Typical Ukrainian. Aren't those Hollywood producers?

When by the end of January 1918, they moved to Kiev, Grigory Chudnowski took the post of the commissar of Kiev. Kreitzberg became a commissar of finances. D. Rochstein, press commissar, Shapiro, Commissar of the Army. There was no shortage of Jewish names among the top Bolsheviks. In such centers as Odessa and Akaterinislav, that was sufficient to fuel talks about Bolshevik Jews and Jewish Bolsheviks among the troops loyal to the Rada. Verbal cursing about traitorous Jews became almost commonplace.

In the very midst of street fighting for Kiev, the Zionist fraction produced an official inquiry on the matter of anti-Jewish excesses. The question turned into a verbal skirmish between Ukrainian delegates and representatives of national minorities. Thus, enmity split apart the Jews. and the Ukrainian separatists. Well, that's no shock. We're getting into such bizarre thinking here. It took a while for Ukraine to fall. Stalin really took the rest of it after World War II.

Karkov, of course, is a capital of eastern Ukraine. Well, yes, is in the far south. But it took a while for what we can't have to the whole country today to fall. to the Soviet and of course there's not a Ukrainian name among them and what they call pogroms were simply battles

between this movement this communist invasion and Ukrainian nationalists such as they were I mean Ukrainian nationalists had a point at this at this stage there were very few by you know in 19, 20

Total independence was not really It was very rare to find it Once in a while you'd find it Because in Ukraine's history You know Ukraine's fairly small It always needed allies It always needed an alliance to keep it together And what I've said from the very beginning

I took from Gogol's point of view That's the ultimate expression of Ukrainian nationalism would be an independent Ukraine in a very close relation with Russia, like Belarus has. I'm going to wrote my book. That's pretty much the idea of it. We'll talk about the great Hetman here in a little bit.

But this is what, you know, any opposition to their dominance was called an anti-Semitic pogrom. So in their minds, pogroms are happening constantly and everywhere. The Ukrainian government, and the leaders of Ukrainian parties were evacuated to Jutomir, but the Jewish representatives did not follow them.

They remained under the Bolsheviks. And in addition, the Bolsheviks in Kiev were, supported by a sizable group of Jewish workers who returned from England after they, the February Revolution, and who now wholly, siding with the Soviet regime, took up the posts of Kamazars and officials, and created a special Jewish squad of Red Guards? Well, they didn't need to have a special squad of Red guards. Red guards were Jewish. They always loved giving the impression that they needed a special Jewish section,

as if it wasn't already a Jewish movement. By Jewish workers, they meant party workers, returning from England. Again, they just, and this was after Kerencki. They finally, you know, once the Tsar was removed by his generals, Karenski took over a short time later. the Jews said, okay, this is our time. And, of course, quarantine didn't last long.

And something more of their interest took over in October of 1918. But it took a long time. We're in the middle of this, this battle for this government to justify itself. But it can't justify itself. So it has to impose itself by the barrel of a gun. Like all leftist entities do. Yet soon after the conclusion of the Treaty of Brest-Litov, in which the Soviets ceded Ukraine to the central powers, as the government of independent

Ukraine returned to Kiev under the ages of Austrian and German bayonets in the beginning of February of 1918, the Hadamakas, spontaneous popular uprisings against Polish rule that took place in Ukraine in the 18th century, and free Cossacks began snatching and shooting any former Jewish commissars they could find. Yet those were not actual Jewish pogroms, and very soon Petliura's government was replaced by the Hetman government of Cossack leader Skorupatsky for the next seven months. The command of the units of the German army that had occupied Kiev in the spring treated the needs of Jewish population with understanding. And that population was not insubstantial. In 1919, 21% of Kiev's inhabitants were Jewish. A Jewish cadet, a member of the Russian

constituent Democrat Party, Sergei Guttnick, became the Minister of Trade and Industry in the Hetman government. Under the Hetmanate, Zionists acted without hindrance and an independent Jewish provisional National Assembly and a Jewish National Secretariat were elected. Now, Skodopozy, I'm sorry, with the guy I mentioned, I've been writing about him for years. he really was the only chance that Ukraine had for some kind of a rational government in this period of time it goes back and forth the complexity is beyond anybody and not only did he mean he created an actual independent Ukraine very pro-Russian though he was an officer in the old imperial army

he supported the white movement except the white movement didn't support him the whites said to him and this was a huge issue the whites there was a couple actually and a few others said no we want one totally unified great Russian empire there is no autonomy for you

which was a massive ginormous mistake because so many us got upon these people I mean the whites went to him for loans for equipment. I mean, he was very successful. He wasn't going to lose it with the Jews.

He knew what the Jews were. The Zionists, of course, were to be favored far more than the communists were. The communists were out of the question, but the Zionists were a different story. He was going to be as conciliatory as possible. He created a very rational, functioning state, and the people who took him over,

who destroyed him, was the directory, and the directory was Petluria, as you've mentioned, who was a member of the Masonic Lodge. And it is the directory is a Masonic institution. It was named for the directory in the French Revolution. Yet Hepminate fell, and in December 1918, Kiev came under the control of the Directorate of Ukraine, led by Petluria and Vineschenko. The Bund and the Polay-Zion did their best to help their fellow socialists of the Directorate and Jewish Secretariat and also made conciliatory moves. But Petliura saw it differently.

His mouthpiece, the newspaper Vidrosenia, wrote, The birth of the Ukrainian state was not expected by the Jews. The Jews had not anticipated despite having an extraordinary ability of getting the wind of any news. They emphasized their knowledge of Russian language and ignore the fact of Ukrainian statehood. Jewry again has joined the side of our enemy. Jews were blamed for all the Bolshevik victories in Ukraine. In Kiev, the Sish Riflemen plundered apartments of wealthy people, which in mass came over to the capital, while the military and Adamans, originally Cossack commanders then used by the Ukrainian National Army, robbed smaller towns and Stettles. That year, a regiment named after Petliora inaugurated mass pogroms by pillaging,

the town of Sarni. Yeah, there's a lot of controversy about this. The level of complexity, you have like five different sides here. And the Jews were, you know, pretty much divided over what Ukraine can do. We see that, you know, Jews today, you know, suddenly support Ukrainian nationals, which it wouldn't have done 10 years ago, or I should say, like 30 years ago. Ukrainian national nationals was always a threat to the USSR. but I think it was more of a

you know they say mocking the Ukrainian language well I mean I could read both it's not a language to be mocked but back then it was seen as a you know the language of the peasants and we want nothing to do with the peasantry we're above the peasantry and people like

Ivan Franco and even Vanishenko who I've read wrote for the most part in Ukrainian but now you're getting the idea that Ukrainian independence may be an absolute necessity but the white army ruined their chance by you know eliminating and the white rejection of the Hetman is what led to his downfall and so this is you know this issue is separate in general from there was a tremendous division here of of Jewish interests this isn't necessarily connected with anything else we've been talking about so far.

Yeah, it was not expected by them. Now, anytime you read a history book by any Ukrainian leader other than the Bolsheviks, at this period of time, they'll talk about the anti-Semitic programs for no reason. That's just their go-to all the time. But as I've said, there was only one chance when the directory, took over it was it was gone and um the director went back and forth in terms of its loyalty just like the just like the polls and uh just like in in the baltics and we know um so venechenko was a national um i don't say a national social he was a national communist

and uh lennon was not interested in him for many reasons but you know um the cossacks of course were something that were totally anathema to to the soviets um you know macknow of course was a fay he was never a cossack ever in his life not once but they love to call him that so-called green uh the green side in the civil war and um so anyway uh it's an absolute disaster the only man who had a chance of holding it altogether was go to Potsky. It's not just because he had German support in 1918. He did, but he had a substantial army.

But he knew the directory. The Masons were opposed to him. The White Army was opposed to him, which was idiotic. And, of course, the Soviets were opposed to him. He had no chance, despite his successes. All right. We're going to start getting into a part here where I think you're going to have to do a lot of explanation. So I think we should hold this off into.

until the next episode. I started getting a little more details of what was happening here, comparing it to Kemmelnitsky and things like that. I'm telling you about when it comes to Ukraine in this era, there is nothing more complicated. Part of the reason I wrote that book was just to get it straight in my head. Of who, you know, ran what? There were so many signs.

There were so many ideologies. the country was deeply divided and that's I think initially you know that book I wrote Ukrainian nationalism which is on Amazon now you know it came into existence well of course this is long before the war

very sympathetic to the Ukrainian culture and I am always been very sympathetic I came into Orthodoxy through the Ukrainians not anti-Ukrainian whatsoever of course the Jews who run the country now have destroyed all that, but part of the reason that it all came together was that it's just so tremendously complicated. So before we meet again, the next time I want to

reread some of that stuff. I haven't read that stuff in a while. And so I could get this all straight because it's going to be very complicated. I'm not sure Solznii gets right off in here for no other reason. Then it's so ridiculously complex. Their governments came and went in different parts of the country and it was just and it was just very difficult for any historian and it's so much easier for people just to say they were all anti-Semites until the Bolsheviks took over and saved them

but it's far more complicated here they barely made it out of this and the number of people killed was extraordinary all right until the next time. Everybody, please go over to the show notes and go over to the description in the videos and donate to Dr. Johnson's work. As you can see, even for this, he knows the stuff

like the back of his hand, but he's putting in extra time so that he can make sure we get this right. So go please do that. And as always, thank you very much, Dr. Johnson. You're welcome, my friend. I'll talk to you next time. I want to welcome everyone back to our reading of 200 years together by Alexander Solzhenyso, and this is episode 72. Dr. Johnson, how are you today? Well, better than you, no doubt. You won't get in any details, but, but better than you. Yeah, I, you know, when I hear about stuff like that, I take, I take, I, I get very happy because I'm not in that position. Well, I think most of the listeners know that I have kidney stones because when I did my Sunday stream, I was actually, it was the onset of it.

No pun intended. No pun intended. So, yeah, I was at the onset of it. So I took half an oxy and was able to make it through my live stream. But, yeah, I've been paying free for about two days now. and it seems to be x-rays seem to show it being clear. So, you know, just keep going forward. There's people who haven't had them.

There's people who haven't had them that you have no idea what we're talking about in terms of the severity of the pain that doesn't change. No, no what position you're sitting in or anything else. I can't describe it to you. It's the male version of childbirth. I mean, women get them too, of course. and it's it's not only is it is it the pain but the nausea I've only had one real serious bout with them my father had them so they're absolutely a vile vile aspect of our anatomy or our diet

yeah well you know I I've always told people that I'm definitely not the kind of person to commit suicide But, yeah, this is the kind of pain where you're like, you know, you're like, okay, well, you know, maybe, maybe, maybe it's time because you're just, it's, it's just so unrelenting. Yeah, it doesn't matter. There's no, you can't do anything about it. It's permanent, no matter where you sit or how you stand. It doesn't go anywhere. The noise is constant.

And you've got to, you've got to get to the ER. or do something like that. The pain is just, is beyond words. It was a nine, at least a nine for me. Yep, 100%. 100%. I agree. So on that note.

On that note, here we go. Picking up where we left off last time. A Jewish deputy from the Lesser Rata attempted to ward off the growing tendency toward pogroms among Pets. Petliura's troops. Petlora's troops. We need to warn Ukrainians that you cannot found your state on anti-Semitism. Leaders of the directorate should remember that they are dealing with the world's people,

which outlived many of its enemies, and threatened to start a struggle against such government. Jewish parties quickly began to radicalize towards the left, thus inevitably turning their sympathies to Bolshevism. Now, I should note here that I think there's a lot of overlap between Orthodox nationalists listeners and people who are into this. I think there's quite a bit of it. But I released my last Orthodox nationalist was to clear up the Ukrainian situation roughly between 1917 and 1920 because it gets very complicated. And I started off by saying, you know, I was on this old's an Eastern thing. and there is such complexity that

I was talking 100 miles an hour I still didn't get the information out I said maybe I'll do a full show on it just describing how it went the basic structure of it making some sense out of it and so if this is very confusing and it should be

please it's out of course it's out on Radio Albion now please go to it listen to it, and hopefully it should help you in this era. This era has everything to do with what's happening in Ukraine today. That's why we're historians. We realize that, you know, nothing's ever really in the past. But I want to know beyond that.

But Lura was a high-level Freemason. The directory was purely Masonic. If there were any anti-Jewish actions, it was at the lower level, had nothing to do with him. I've quoted him. I've cited him a hundred times talking about how wonderful the Jews are. You know, that's what Freemasonry is. And I also should note, if anyone has extra time, political leaders of Ukraine in this era, if you look up their pictures, their official portraits, they seem to be going,

there's a competition for who looks the coolest because they're in these like, you know, positions that we would consider, you know, lounging and stuff like that, these looks into the camera. I've never seen any other group of leaders look like this before. I do recommend that. There's a huge competition there from these guys, who looks the coolest. And there might be something to that because, you know, this is, photography became pretty normal around this point time, even though it was a 19th century thing. And their own official portraits were, in fact, the form of propaganda, one way or the other. But we're at a point where the only chance that Ukraine had was under Hetman Skoropachki.

Now we're at the point of the directory. Ukraine was never the same again. And my position, my entire, you know, since I decided I was going to specialize in this many, many, many years ago, is that, yes, Russia, Ukraine, or Moscow and Kiev, there are, different ethnicities, although very similar, but they're different. Their languages overlap about 70% of the time. And if there's enough Ukrainians who have a, before the war anyway, there wasn't a huge amount of anti-Russian feeling, even in the West.

That had to be created artificially. The only solution to the Ukrainian problem is what Belarus does. it's what many leaders, including the Hittman himself, believed, what the great writer Gogol believed that, yes, Ukraine should be independent, at least the central and western parts of it, but in a very close brotherly relationship with Russia. Again, no different than Belarus. That was the only chance that Ukraine has or had, and the only man who supported that was the Hetman. Now, a lot of these guys were claiming to be, Hetman to be, they were not.

Pavlskarupazki was actually from Kostov background. That would be kind of a royal line, the closest to the royal line that you would get in Ukraine. He's actually related to many. There was another Ivan Skodapodzky centuries earlier, who he is related to. The rest were just kind of self-denominated. the so-called phenomenon of adamantism but even

you know as I'm trying to explain it I went an hour and a half and it's still it's still just of such a level of complexity with so many moving parts

I'm hoping if you go to that that you will there'll be at least some increase in understanding of how complex it is but it does there is a certain it's not

chaotic complexity doesn't chaos. There is some sense to it. And we're going to be talking about the Jews here. And the directory was a philosemitic group. It was a, because it was a

Masonic group, at least at the higher levels. There were many Masonic lodges in Ukraine, the entire high level, which no real Gossack, you know, would have ever accepted. There were many of them. And so

phylo-Semitic mentality existed there. So whatever pogroms are going to claim, they claim pogroms all the time. But really, that's just another way of saying an anti-communist resistance. Now, with the Bolsheviks are mostly Jews, well, it certainly looks like a pogrom. We've been here many times before.

But the only chance Ukraine had at survival, and I've mentioned it too, the white armies went to Skodipatski for a loan. That's how successful. This man was. He was rebuilt. the Ukrainian economy. He had a pro-Russian yet independent Ukraine recognized by most of the world, rebuilding its school system and everything out of the directory ruined all of that.

There was no good reason to overthrow this man. He was a very good man. Probably had the coolest official portrait, in my opinion. But it's just the complexity makes it, you know, your eyes, glaze over dealing with a lot of this but the simple point at this at this stage here is that the only chance

Ukraine had for any kind of stable existence and the whites were not helpful they didn't like that they didn't like an independent Ukraine at all even if he was pro-Russian he served in the Russian army the guy that wasn't enough

he wanted a just a totally centralized great Russia which was a huge mistake and it's one of the the many reasons, many mistakes that the whites did that led to their defeat. So any of this nonsense, Jewish parties radicalizing to the left, no, they were there anyway. They had always been there, and the directorate had nothing to do with it. You had a tremendous contempt for Jews in the old pale of settlement for very good reason.

But these were just anti-communist movements. Arnold Marguerlien, then Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine, said that the situation in Ukraine was reminiscent of the worst times of Kemmelnetsky and Gunta. DePasmanic bitterly noted that Zionists and Jewish nationalists supported the directorate's government for a while even when anti-Jewish pogroms raged across Ukraine. Quote, How could Jewish socialists forget about the pogromous attitudes of Petlora and other heroes of the Ukrainian revolution? End quote.

How could they forget about the Jewish blood shed by descendants and disciples of Kemalnitsky, Gonta and Zelizniak. And that's the end of the quote right there. Between December 1918 and August 19, 1999, Patlora's troops carried out dozens of pogroms killing according to the Commission of International Cross around 50,000 Jews. The largest program happened on February 15, 1919, and Proskov after a failed Bolshevik coup attempt. Quote, Jewish pogroms that went on nonstop from the very moment of Ukrainian independence became particularly ferocious during the period of the so-called directorate and kept going until the Ukrainian armed forces existed.

Well, there you go. It's after a coup attempt. Now, the Red Cross, you know, I don't know, Jews really can't use them as authorities because, you know, we know what they said in World War II. I can't really talk about it, but, but, you know, the directory was extremely agile. Let me put it that way ideologically. They worked with whoever they needed to. They didn't have

the armed forces. In fact, they had a far inferior army to what the Hetman had. Many of the Hetman's troops simply left and went home when the directory came in. Of course, the Hetman himself

had to flee the country and I believe he died in Germany in 1945. I'm not sure about that. I think in 1945. He died there, but these weren't just random, you know, I see a Jew on the street, I'm going to beat them up. That's not what's going on here. The communist movement was Judaic in one form or another, and any fight against them is going

to look like a pogrom, but they were not. S. Masloff writes, quote, true, in the czar's times, Jews were killed during pogroms, but they have never been killed in such numbers as now and what's such callous indifference. Sometimes during anti-Jewish pogroms by rebellious peasant bands, the entire Stettles were exterminated with indiscriminate slaughter of children, women, and elders, end quote. After the pogrom is finished with their business, peasants from surrounding villages usually arrived on wagons, joined in looting commercial goods, often stored in large amounts in towns because of the unsettled times.

all over Ukraine rebels attack passenger trains and often commanded communist and Jews to get out of the coach and those who did not were shot on the spot or checking papers of passengers suspected Jews were ordered to pronounce cakerusa corn and those who spoke with an accent were escorted out and executed well let me put it this way you're familiar with the psychological phenomenon of projection right very much so yes you know it the phenomenon is you have a vice or a problem internally that you can't deal with you don't know how to deal with it you're in denial about it so rather than deal with it yourself you and you project it onto someone else this goes for countries this goes for ethnic groups this goes for armies i've been talking about this on my daily nationalist especially constantly because everything that they're claiming

happened to the Jews here was actually going on during the Civil War by Bolsheviks against Russian areas and will continue with far more vehemence after 1920. So it's almost a kind

of deliberate misdirection. These people weren't singled out for no reason. Jews were overwhelmingly in favor of the Bolshevik regime they were heavily armed it wasn't indiscriminate although I'm sure you know

the masses may have done it that way but people finally got the message these are not friends and we know that they knew exactly what they were doing because if you were a Karite or a Samaritan or one of these types of Jews that they had to be a Talmudist.

Everyone else was unaffected. It was only the Talmudists that were affected. And that goes for all of the thousands of times, repeat times that these people were kicked out of towns and cities and countries and empires. There was only that specific rabbinical group, no other form of Jew. So this is a kind of propaganda,

which I think is a huge amount of projection. that the Western press was just writing down with big white eyes, oh my God, really? And, you know, we still, it's still promoted us true today, to some extent, even by Shultenezer. American scholar Mueller thinks that, quote, the mass extermination of Jews in Ukraine and Baila Rissia during the Civil War was by no means a result of articulated policy, but rather a common peasant reaction. Independent religious bands of Grigoryov, Zellioni, Sokolovsky, Struk, Anjel, Tjotichinuk, Yatsyko, Volnitz, Kozir Zirka were particularly uncontrolled and because of this acted with extreme atrocity. However, Nestor Machno was different.

No boy. The raging civil war provided fertile soil for the self-realization of, of machno's criminals and rebellious personality. We are not going to recount his villainous and clinically mad deeds in this work, yet it should be noted that he did not harbor anti-Jewish attitudes and that his anarchist communist followers loudly proclaimed their implacable hostility toward any form of anti-Semitism. At different times, a certain Aaron Barron was his chief of staff.

Lev Zadov Zenkovsky was his head of counterintoshky. was his head of counterintelligence. Volen Echenbaum was head of Machno's adjut prop. Arshinov was his close advisor and one Kogan headed administration of Hilliapole, his capital. There was even a 300 strong separate Jewish company among his troops led by Taranovsky, and though at one point they betrayed Machno, nevertheless Taranovsky was later pardoned that even made the Machno's chief of staff.

Quote, the Jewish poor joined Machno's army in masses, and allegedly Machno trapped and executed Adam and Gregoriev for the latter's anti-Semitism. In March 1919, Mach no executed peasants from Uspenovka village for a pogrom in the Jewish agricultural city Gorkio, Gorkier. However, despite his indisputable pro-Jewish stance, later in immigration in Paris, He was always in a Jewish milieu until his death. His often uncontrollable troops carried out several Jewish pogroms, for instance, in 1918, near Akaterinislav, or in the summer of 1919 at Alexandrovsk, though Machno and his officers rigorously protected Jewish populations and punished pogromists with death. You know, in the last 30 years maybe, Machno has massively increased in popularity in the academic world. they don't want to be seen strictly on the Bolivic side because of the Stalinist issue later on

they certainly aren't to be on the white side they created this kind of green side and one of the leaders of that was McNall now he wasn't Jewish as far as I know but this was part of his job he was allegedly an anarchist he claimed to be a Cossack even dressed up like one but he had no connection to it he was not whatsoever

He was everything that the Cossacks hated. And he was well aware of the connection of the Jews to the Bolshevik or the Red Army. And by doing this, and he did this in the rear of the White Army, knowing that this is going to do a lot of damage to him, Maknoa was a big part of the Red Victory. He didn't necessarily, well, he said he didn't necessarily agree with everything that, Lenin was talking about and he probably didn't he claimed to be some kind of an anarchist

again claiming some you know semi-Cosec Krug-like mentality but he was no such thing he was a mockery of it and and by doing what he did he did endless damage to the white army

talking about you know Jews and the Red Army, the Bolsheviks, you know, you're really talking about one thing in general. These attacks weren't done for no reason. These Jews were not helpless. These Jews were armed. They've been armed for generations now. We talked about that months ago. They were not helpless accountants with glasses, you know, getting beaten up, which, you know, the literature would like to say. So over the last 30 years, you have this explosion of, of the green side, white, red and green, with Machnoe at the center of it. And, of course, what a shock, Machno was surrounded entirely by Jews and did their bidding

at every level. There's only one reason for that. And it's because he was well aware that this would defeat the White Army and bring him by the victory of the Reds. To examine the anti-Jewish programs during the Russian Civil War, we consult a large volume, Jewish Pogroms 1918 through 1921 compiled by the Jewish Public Committee for Aid to Victims of Pogroms in 1923 and published later in 1926. The year of publication explains why we find nothing about pogroms by the Reds.

The book aims to examine the role of Petlura's troops, the volunteer white army, and polls in the carnage of pogroms in the described period. Regular troops participated in pogroms in larger cities and towns as they marched, whereas independent bans acted in the hinterlands, thus effectively denying the Jew's safety anywhere. Pogroms by Petlura's troops were particularly atrocious and systematic and sometimes even without looting, such as, for example, pogroms of Praskurov, Feltzine, and Zitomir in February 1919, Ovirich in March, Trostanitz, Uman, and Novo Miragod, Grodrod, in May 1919. The worst programs by bands were in Smila, March 1919, Elizabeth's Grad, Radomschwi, Wapniarka, and Slovenko in May 2019, in Dubovka, June 1919 by Denikin's troops in Fostov, September 1919, and Kiev, October 1919.

In Belarus, there were programs by Polish troops, for example, in Beirosov and in the Bo-Bruisk district and by Polish-supported troops in Bulak-Balakovich, in Mazir, Turov, Petrokovov, Kapitevichki, Kovishki, and Gorad Yatitschi in 19, 1920, and 1921. Well, it's amazing. They can't get a break anywhere. I wonder why. Jews, Lithuanians, I mean, sorry, Poles,

Ukrainians, all these people, you know, this didn't happen for no reason, but no one seemed to notice how many Russians or Ukrainians were killed

or Poles were killed. These were battles. These weren't pogroms. These were battles. Are you familiar with the phrase that the left likes to use death squad? Yes.

It's extremely irritating. Only the left used. it, and it's aimed usually at right-wing forces under the military dictatorships of Latin America. Well, all they are, that's another word for the Army, or at the most mobile units of the Army, especially if they were successful. It's the same thing here. There's nothing special death squad. There were just armed forces.

It's the same thing in this case. the pogrom was just another battle the Jews made their bed in this case there were plenty of Poles and there were plenty of Ukrainians and Russians killed in this respect so no one had any sympathy for them at the time

the exception of course of Machno the Reds and the Western world it's incredible how people get this picture in their minds of these towns with all these communities of Jews and they picture like accountants and doctors and not the people committing

like literal genocide right now over in Israel. Yeah, and they were committing genocide at the time in Russia. Their friends were doing this in the Red Army. We're talking about almost near the end, you know, well, I should say the middle of the Civil War. And they were bulldozing churches at the time. They were destroying peasant villages. And I think projection has a lot to do with it here. Jews are not innocent victims.

They're not victims at all. There's a reason that they were picked out. And yes, you're right. It's this image that people have of some peaceful Jew, you know, Jerry Seinfeld. Yeah, Jerry Seinfeld with a drinking his hand. And a real costout comes in and slits its throat. oh my god how could you possibly do that to jerry that's exactly and don't don't that it's funny

but it's probably what even many scholars have in their minds as to what happened we know as i'll repeat it again jews were armed they were extremely well organized and they functioned as parts of the red army throughout they weren't just neutral uh people we're talking about the same area now as the all pale of settlement. Every time that you had from Kiminitsky, the great that he mentioned, Ivan Gonta, I have a picture of him over there. These were times of tremendous Jewish oppression

of non-Jews. They just seem to have an inability to understand consequences. You can't do this kind of stuff and expect nothing to happen. And in class, I distinctly remember this, in class, you go on and on, It's about these pogroms, apparently for no reason.

And in the background, you have the exact same thing happening. The Jews are doing this to peasant villages and the church everywhere throughout the rest of Russia. And, of course, they're connected. He mentioned a little bit before. There was an attempt of Bolshevik coup, hence there's a pogrom. Well, that doesn't make any sense. When you say pogrom, it tends to imply it's, it's, it's, It's just random.

But it isn't. Because of this coup, they realized Jews were the ones who did it. And I have no doubt they went too far, but I don't think they went out and killed children. You know, sometimes they went to, maybe if they had alcohol in them or something like that, but that wasn't the norm.

Certainly on another directory. But the more important thing to realize is that the Jews were never, under any of these circumstances, ever innocent bystanders. They were not Jerry sitting there being funny and cracking jokes. And for no reason, one of these guys comes in and splits his throat because he's losing the war or something, whatever they came up with at this point. Now, these are consequences for Jewish behavior. Ukrainian jury was horrified by the murderous wave of pogroms. During brief periods of respite, the Jewish population fled en masse from already pillaged

or threatened places. There were indeed a mass exodus of Jews from Stettles and small towns into larger cities nearby or toward the border with Romania in a foolish hope to find aid there, or they simply aimlessly fled in panic as they did in Tettiv or Redomshi. Quote, the most populous and flourishing communities were turned into deserts. Jewish towns and Stettles looked like gloomy sands. cemeteries, homes burnt and streets dead and desolated. Several Jewish townships were completely wrecked and turned into ashes. Baladarka, Bogoslav, a bunch of different, really, really difficult

words to pronounce in other places. You don't have to bother you. Let us now examine the white side. At first glance, it may appear counterintuitive that Jews did not support the anti-Bolshevik movement. After all, the white forces were substantially more pro-democratic than Bolsheviks, as it was with Denneken and Rangel, and included not only monarchists and all kinds of nationalists, but also many liberal groups and all varieties of anti-Bolshevik socialists. So why didn't we see Jews who shared the same political views and sympathies there? Faithful events irredeemably separated the Jews from the white movement. You did have Jews on various leftist movements that may have been anti-Bolshevik in their mentality, but not in their action.

The Bolsheviks at this point, this 1919, maybe 1920, the Bolsheviks were clearly their best bet. I mean, Rosa Luxembourg and people like that were condemning the Bolsheviks, but only later, only after Trotsky fled the country. So, you know, even today, all kinds of anarchists and weirdo communist groups, you have Jews and all of them. But here you have a, you know, life and death fight. So they went to the most militant and the most armed group, which makes sense. It's part of why the Bolsheviks won. And he's right to talk about all of these, just this array of ideologies in the white fort. How could you win a war?

How could you have a focus? When you have an army made up of all of these things, everything from cadet liberals to monarchies. it doesn't make any sense and this is why people like Capelle Keller a whole bunch of others have written about them

at great length formed their own white royalist units at least then they had I mean they lost but they had a certain focus there was never any ideological focus

in the whites whatsoever and again constituent assembly this magic word that they always throw out the Bolshek's didn't care about that they knew exactly what they were going to do they didn't exactly what they were doing it

there was no question about it but throwing out a vague no one's going to die for a vague constituent assembly or the right to vote in a future constituent assembly multi-party including communists no they need a cause that they can get behind

and the monarchy always remained popular keep in mind that so many of these generals were from the white generals they were part of the entente still as if World War I was going on and part of the Provisional Government

not all of them but they saw themselves as part of the entente very naive of them thinking that you know aid is going to come at any moment but you have had zero support from Jews to any white faction whatsoever.

I'm sure you could find the occasional weirdo exception, you know, like even today. But this wild kaleidoscope of ideological groups is, in my opinion, a huge part of the reason why they lost the war. The Jewish Encyclopedia informs us that initially many Jews of Rostov supported the white movement on December 13, 1917, a merchant prince A. Alperin gave 800,000 rubles collected by the Jews of Rostov to A. Caledin, the leader of Don Cossacks, to organize anti-Bolshevik Cossack troops. I got to stop you right there. Yeah, that was please leave us alone money. They know that Cossacks were the creators of programs in the past. That's what they,

that's what the Don Cossacks did. It had nothing to do with any idiot. psychological support, it's just leave us alone. They're paying protection money. Yet when General Alexiev, another white commander, was mustering his first squadron in December 1917 in the same city of Rostov and needed funds and asked, note asked and did not impress, the Rostov-Nashivin bourgeoisie, mainly Jewish and Armenian for money, they refused and he collected just a dab of money and was forced to mark. out into the winter with unequipped troops into his ice march.

And later, all appeals by the volunteer army were mostly ignored, yet whenever the Bolshevik shut up and demanded money and valuables, a population obediently handed over millions of rubles and whole stores of goods. When former Russian prime minister of the provisional government, Prince G.E. Levov, begging for aid abroad, visited New York and Washington in 1918. he met a delegation of American Jews who heard him out but offered him no aid. Well, I don't know who these people are, who he's talking about here. It's pretty vague.

The Bolsheviks didn't ask anybody anything. But especially when they're talking about Jews, the Bolsheviks came in and said, we're your only hope. It is conceivable that in addition to protection money, giving money to the Cossacks may also be the Cossacks didn't want a they just want an independent southern Russian country

they didn't want to take the whole country they didn't want to take over all of Russia it was a huge problem now I have an entire lecture on the ice march which gets very complicated very you know it was a tremendous act of heroism and in the wintertime it's a huge part of Russian military history

but when you have someone who actually had a national agenda against the Bolsheviks shows up all of a sudden there's nothing and we hear another bourgeois group, the Armenians. We haven't heard about them very much. How come they haven't been attacked? How come they haven't been just Jews? Of course, the Armenians were always pro-Russian. They were not the problem.

They're pro-Russian now. They're pro-Russian then. They were pro-Russian 200 years earlier. So that just means it was ideology that mattered, not whether or not they were Jews. To be a Jew back then was to be anti-Russian, was to be a Bolshevik, or something like that. But I think it's very naive to talk about 800,000 rubles, giving over to the Don Costa. and it wasn't something that was, you know, stolen from them to organize anti-Bolshevik Cossack troops.

It doesn't, that's absurd on its face. The Cossacks are cursed. They're spat on by any Jew who knows anything about history. Yvongonta was a Cossack. Gimonchki was a Cossack. The revolts were often against Jews in the Polish Empire. These were Cossacks. They would never give them a dime unless they had some other.

strategic issue in mind. Either it was just don't kill us or and or we know that you're not going to fight for all of Russia. You have your little country way down the Don River and that's it. And this is something that affected the whites too. The whites wanted to. The Cossacks sometimes didn't see the big picture because they were excellent. Of course, they were all cavalry. There were excellent fighters. And we desperately need. you and they didn't like leaving their their country you know their their region so to speak and and that caused a huge amount of problems no they they fought for their own section and that was it they had no national agenda they had a Cossack agenda now

Alexiev is nothing to talk about I mean Alexiev was one of the people who forced Nicholas out I think Alexiev was one of the people who wrote or dictated the fake abdication letter he you know he supported the provisional state um so uh one of these you know war war one guys who were just eventually wanted miss nicholas out so um they wanted the provisional government to win not any kind of monarchy or anything else but the difference is alexiev was a he had a full national idea They have this great Russia, singular great Russia. The Cossacks wanted their own territories, and that's it.

That's the difference. However, Pasmatic quotes a letter saying that by the end of 1918, more than three and a half million rubles were being collected in the exclusive Jewish circle with accompanying promises and reassurances of goodwill toward Jews from the white authorities. Despite that, Jews were officially prohibited to buy land in the Chernos' smorgicaa gubernaia because of vicious speculations by several jews though the order was revoked soon afterwards yeah that's called pretension money promises and reassurances yeah and of course they ruined even that here is another example from my sources again in rostov in february

1918, when the white movement was merely nascent and seemed almost hopeless, an elderly Jewish engineer and manufacturer, i.e. Ang Gorodzky, who sincerely considered himself a Russian patriot, literally pushed his reluctant student son into joining the white youth marching out into the night, embarking on their ice march, however, his sister didn't let him go. The Jewish Encyclopedia also tells us that the Jews of Rostov were joining Cossack guerrilla squadrons and the students' battalion of General L. Kornilov's army. You know, you're always going to have exceptions like this. You know, we know them now.

We have friends, the two of us, have friends who are absolute exceptions to this. But also, it wasn't just the whites that seemed hopeless. The red seemed hopeless. If this was just getting started and we've gone back a year or so, no one really expected the reds to last long. they had their base in Petersburg in a little bit in Russia and that was about it they had been defeated badly

and of course the Germans were still involved in this in parts of Ukraine defeated the reds there this isn't happening in a vacuum so even if you were in a again you do have legitimate Jewish patriots I'm sure they weren't popular but partially they didn't think the red were going to win

and there was no guarantee that even if they did no matter what they said that they were going to be any more any better for their business than any other faction I think most people saw the chaos of this era and don't forget and don't don't don't don't um always keep in mind PTSD here. For years now, Russians have only seen death and warfare, whether it be in World War I or now in their own backyard. They're seeing it constantly. So you see stuff like this. You see weird behaviors. They're a lot tougher than we are, of course. But what I might do, I may just send you my article on the Ice March, which is finished. And it could clarify some of these things.

but yes, of course, you're going to have these exceptions. And I don't know, it's very difficult for me to picture a Cossack taking them in because in their constitutions, all of them, you have to be Orthodox to be a member. But, you know, when it's life and death, anything's possible. In Paris in 1975, Colonel Loviton, the last surviving commander of the Kornilov regiment, told me that quite a few Jewish warrant officers were commissioned in Karenski's times were loyal to Kornilov during the so-called days of Kornilov in August 1917. He recalled one Katzman, a holder of the Order of St. George, from the first Kutupov division.

Yet we know that many whites rejected sympathetic or neutral Jews because of the prominent involvement of other Jews on the red side, mistrust and anger was bred among the white forces. A modern study suggests that during the first year, year of its existence, the white movement was virtually free of anti-Semitism, at least in terms of major incidents and Jews were actually serving in the volunteer army. However, the situation dramatically changed by 1919. First, after the Allied victory in World War I, the widespread conviction among the whites that Germans helped Bolsheviks was displaced by a mythos about Jews being the backbone of Bolshevism. On the other hand, after the white troops occupied Ukraine,

they came under influence of obsessive local anti-Semitism that facilitated their espousal of anti-Jewish actions. Yeah, he's quoting someone here. Let's keep in mind. He's quoting a modern study. But the whites from the very beginning realized who their enemy was. It wasn't necessarily, you know, my Jewish doctor up the street. But Jews in general had flocked to the red cause.

It was a cliche then, and there's simply no getting around it. At the very least, you had the Jews around Makno. They weren't Bolsheviks, but they served the Bolshevik cause. People like this were a rarity, but it is an anti-Semitism. And the study is correct to say it's on anti-Semitism. When you're fighting a Jewish run, Jewish-staffed Red Army, It's not because they're Jews, it's because they're Bolsheviks. They're already showing what they're going to do to Russia if they win all over the place.

And the fact that the Jews can only think about themselves and their own situations, as Russia's being bulldozed at the time, just shows the mentality here, mentality that we're dealing with. So he is quoting, he says mythos, it's not a myth, of course. but remember the Germans at the end of the war the Germans couldn't help anybody the German banks

were run by Jews who were taking money from Wall Street you know Sutton goes through this in some detail from the Hoover Institute so it's really the same group of people there's no doubt we know who was supporting the reds from the U.S. and everything else so many captured

Reds couldn't even speak Russian you know, they were very Jewish. So, you know, and the Zionists were a different story. But I don't know if you're going to talk about them soon here in a little bit. But I think the Zionists eventually went to, because they were, you know, followers of Hess to a great extent, they ended up supporting Lenin as well when it came right down to it. The White Army was hypnotized by Trotsky and Nacomkis, an agent of the Bolshevik. Central Committee, and that caused the identification of Bolshevism with Jewry and led to pogroms.

That's quoting somebody right there. The whites perceive Russia as occupied by Jewish commissars, and they marched to liberate her, and given considerable unaccountability of separate units of that nascent and poorly organized army strewn over the vast Russian territories, and the general lack of central authority in that war, it is not surprising that, unfortunately, some white troops carried out pogrom. quoting A.I. Danikin, like some other leaders of the South Army, endorsed cadet, the Constitutional Democrat Party and socialist revolutionary views and sought to stop the outrage as perpetrated by his troops. Yet those efforts were not effective.

Still, you know, these people still seem to be unaware of what Bolshevik Jews are doing around the rest of Russia. This is nothing. I don't even know how you can have your constitutional Democrats, even in existence anymore when you see who their enemy is. Now, the author is right to say that it was, you know, nation basically poorly organized. That's definitely true. That never really changed. Stretched out over all of the vast Russian territories. That's also true and general lack of authority. That's definitely true. And that never changed. Reds didn't have that problem um but um but there was no such thing as an anti-Semitic program um i'm sure again you always have the crazy exception some drunk guy starts beating up a jewish woman for some reason i'm not you

know but this was a war and jews were the enemy they were a huge part and we spent for the last two months talking about the jewish connection to leftist violence you'd have to be an absolute moron not to realize this at this point finally Russians are realizing but it is true that I'll have to say whites perceived Russia is occupied

by Jewish commissar well you know Sultan Nietzsche will pretty soon give a list of names of exactly who they are we've already done that perceived they definitely were

and they were just getting started the difference between a battle and a pogrom here is razor thin. And I think it's mostly a journalistic distinction, especially in the Western world. Let's stop right here because we're getting, we're going to get like a, you know, say,

hey, look, they did this and everything. And then we're going to have a rebuttal by the top white general Lampa about how a lot of this was exaggerated. I think this is a perfect place to stop. Yeah, yeah, things, you know, when it comes to, especially this part of the country, things get very complicated. This wasn't a simple white versus red

two equal signs. That is not how it worked. The whites, as it says, they're right, were poorly organized. The commanders were very talented. That really wasn't the point. But they didn't have the institutions. They were spread out all over the place

while the reds were largely focused. And especially now, after World War I, Germans are no longer involved. Everything changes, especially in places like Ukraine. The money was flowing to the Reds from Jewish sources in the U.S., so from the U.S. Sometimes through Germany now, it was just directly. But these were battles. These had nothing to do with just, you know, beating up Jews for no reason.

Yeah, and I'm sure that there were other groups who, identities and ethnicities and that were touched by this but you know you always have to ask the question is how come this is the only group in history that we're like forced to feel sorry for like I mean everywhere they went it was just abuse over and over again I mean you could say that you can say the same things about other groups that you know that have moved through I mean You can say, it's just the people don't understand how propagandized they've been. I can't wait to talk to Kevin McDonald because I've had people actually attack me and say, you know, there's no such thing as the concept of Jewish supremacy that doesn't exist.

Like, are you fucking serious? Have you not ever known any, gotten to know any? You know, and talk to them? He's not from a Jewish area. And talk to them and like have them, get to be friendly with them for years and then just have open conversations admitting. Yeah, I mean, we feel like we're better than you. I'm sorry. We just, that's the way we're raised.

Oh, I guess my, I guess that's just anecdotal. Well, yeah, that's not much of an argument. But still, if you're from a Jewish area like I was. I think you were, to some extent, you know, you had to socialize with you. I always got along with them on a personal level. That was strictly on a personal level. As groups, especially in my own town and Union County, you know, there was a very strict delineation between Italian and we were, I was Irishmen, we were honorary Italians. We got along very well, but it was either Italian or Jewish.

and um but that was only because you know the only reason that they didn't want to commit outrageous was if people would then hate them you can't have this stuff in the press so you couldn't talk like that they believed it but you couldn't talk like that the telma talks about this at great length coming out and saying that we are the supreme race that's something it's it's dangerous for them no one wants to you know or to act like them um it's getting harder and harder to hide especially in 2025. And I always bring up the example of the Armenians.

The Armenians are an excellent example because they were merchants overwhelmingly. They were Christians, but they were heretical. There were monophocytes. Someone tried to tell me that they were in the Orthodox Church. They were not. They were monophysites at the time. They were in communion with the Syriacs and the Indians

and groups like that. They didn't accept the Council of Chalcedon. you had a handful of units but were always treated very well no problems even though they were often very wealthy they had the same mercantile reputation as the Jews but they didn't take advantage

they were pro-Russian they recognized how well Russia treated them they protected Armenia against the Islamic groups around them same thing for Georgians the Georgians never really left Georgia Armenians and there was no pogroms against Armenians except from Jews and Ataturk

but Armenians are the perfect counter example They had a very similar lifestyle And they weren't kicked out of anywhere The difference has to be behavior and general mentality Well, I mean The Armenians have been abused And have been genocided, but by who? and by what leadership.

I mean, there's a Times of Israel article where they detail the Jewish leaders that were in Turkey who were basically guiding the Turks at the time of the Armenian genocide. They can't help themselves. Every once in a while, they just brag about it. Yeah, it's true.

Every once in a while, it just spurts out. out. They don't want to say it, but it just comes out. But I guess to some extent, Armenians were a kind of competition, as were some of the old believers. The Armenians had the same crafty reputation, but not at the expense of other people, you know, not this massive, usurious organization. And so the only people who did abuse the Armenians were Jews or Jews and the Freemasons after the Turkish Revolution, as you say. So they were an excellent counter example, and that's how you show that it's not just because they're Jews, which is what I was taught as a kid.

You probably were. Most of us were. But as we got older, some of us said, why? And why not these other people? And we got into trouble for it. All right. we'll pick up uh next time and i as i always do please go to the show notes and please go to the description of the videos uh donate to dr johnson's work and um yeah let him know how much you

appreciate everything he's doing here so um as always dr johnson thank you very much talk to you in a couple days i'll see you soon my friend i want to welcome everyone back to our reading of two hundred years together by alexander sol shenisa and this is episode Episode 73. Dr. Johnson, how are you doing today? Has ever heard of a Dobson fly? No, I have never seen them. No.

It looked like they belong in Australia. In their adult phase, they're humongous. They're harmless. But they are humongous. And I found one in my bathroom, of all places. And the gentlest of my cats decided to kill it. like it was real prey. It looks like a monster.

You should see, you know, Dobson flies, you know, they don't look like they belong, but because I live close to a river, you're going to see them once in a while. They look like birds. Oh, God. But they're, you know, not a lot of people have never seen one.

But their fishermen, I think, know them in their earlier stages. but they only live for a couple of weeks in that stage, their final stage. Is that it right there? They are enormous. Look on the screen, on the home screen. Is that it right there? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly it.

Oh, God. That's precisely it. And it's all throughout, you know, the Americas, they're, you know, all throughout the Americas. Because in a way you live by a river, and the gentlest Norwegian forest cat that I have, Foxy, saves his mother from absolute terror by smacking it and breaking its wings. So he's been walking around like he's a pimp that things have the size of him. so you know but I have I have never seen one in person

until I moved to this house here truly extraordinary the cat is in very good spirits though he kept his pan pan strong oh yeah that's right all right onward part 73

here we go naturally many Jews were driven by survival instinct and even if they initially expected goodwill on the part of the Volunteer Army. After programs by Danikin's troops, they lost any inclination

to support the white movement. Pasmanic provides a lively case. Alexandrovsk was taken by the volunteers from the Bolsheviks. They were met by unanimous sincere joy of the citizenry. Overnight, half of the town was sacked and filled by the screaming and moaning of distressed Jews. Wives were raped, men beaten and murdered. Jewish homes were totally ransacked. The program continued for three days and three nights.

Post-executive Cossack, Cornett, Sleva, dismissed complaints of the public administration saying, it is always like that. We take a city and it belongs to the troops for three days. It is impossible to explain all this plunder and violence by soldiers of the volunteer army by actions of Jewish commissars. I think it is, it is nonsensical. if only because it's that cliche list of things you know soldiers after a battle would really just rather sleep of course Jews were part of the Bolivic movement

but this kind of you know killing women for no reason um is is just you know It's propaganda, and it's, but unfortunately, it was reported by the Western press, which is one of the many reasons they continued to support the Bolsheviks. A top white general, A. Von Lumpa, claims that rumors about Jewish programs by the whites are tendentiously exaggerated, that these pillaging requisitions were unavoidable actions,

of an army without quartermaster services or regular supplies from the rear areas. He says the Jews were not targeted deliberately, but that all citizens suffered, and the Jews suffered more because they were numerous and rich. I am absolutely confident that in the operational theaters of the white armies, there were no Jewish pogroms, i.e. no organized extermination and pillaging of Jews. There were robberies and even murders, which were purposely overblown and misrepresented by anti-Jewish pogroms, as anti-Jewish programs by special press. Because of these accidents, the second Cuban infantry brigade and the Ossession cavalry

regiment were disbanded. All the people, be they Christian or Jewish, suffered in disorderly areas. There were executions on tip-offs by locals of those unfortunate commissars in Chekis who did not manage to escape, and there were quite a few Jews among them. I got to remember no one was supporting the white army their weaponry, their supplies came from captured areas

when they defeated the Reds somewhere the guns that they took were theirs it was extremely difficult for them to get weapons of course the Reds had plenty of them and that goes for supplies as well and of course everything he says here is absolutely correct it wasn't Judaism as such except to the extent that these were the Czechos and commissars that I guess didn't escape for some weird reason

or were going to fight on they had absolutely forfeited everything and you know the red at least the political side of the Red Army remember there's the military and the political side, that they exist side by side always, right up until the Stalin era. And the political side was to keep the military side in line, ideologically. While there were Jews on both sides, the political side was almost exclusively Jewish. These people were hated not just by, of course, whites, but by many of the Red commanders themselves, if they weren't Jewish. These are the guys who had them,

you make sure they were ideologically trustworthy. And they weren't allowed to retreat. You know, there were tattletails. They were, you know, they were very obnoxious people. They were usually killed on site in the Second World War because, you know, they had a distinctive uniform and everything. And this already existed in the Red Army at this point. So if the West wants to call that a pogrom,

that's their business, but it certainly wasn't one. Events in Fostov in September 1919 appear differently. According to the Jewish Encyclopedia, Cossacks behaved outrageously. They killed, raped, and flouted Jewish religious feelings. They had broken into a synagogue during Yon Kippur, beat up the whole congregation, raped the women, and tore apart the Torah scrolls. About 1,000 were killed. A methodical quarter-by-quarter pillaging

of Jews in Kiev after a brief return of the white troops in the end of October 1919 were dubbed the quiet program. Shulgin writes, the commander strictly prohibited programs, yet the Yids were really an annoyance, and secondly, the heroes were hungry. In general, the volunteers in large cities were starving. There were nights of plunder, but without murder and rape. It was the end of De Nican's period and the beginning of the agony of the volunteer army. You know, Russia is at this point convulsing they're losing hundreds of thousands of their best men it's being torn apart the reds of course are engaging in real pogroms against orthodoxy and the only thing they can talk about is themselves um and again it's when you have that same list they were killing people

for no reason they were raping women i immediately you know i need more evidence they can't just say it The Jewish encyclopedia, I'm not going to take their word for it, but the volunteers in large cities were starving. Well, this is because the Western powers had sided with the Reds. The Reds were not starving. Yes, they plundered. They plundered, including areas. I'm not sure how they knew it was a Jewish house or not. There's no real way to know.

once they knew their wealth was not legitimately gained their wealth was often going to the Reds so any kind of that kind of plunder is to be expected

when you're hungry to begin with you're not going to get any of this in the American university system in any discussion on the Russian Civil War you know the Red Army had paid staffs Red Army had standardized weaponry

and the pay for their staff staffing, and not just in the central areas, but in the peripheral areas, was equal to anything you'd find in the West. This is what happens when you have people like Jacob Schiff on your side. And yet to this day, you'll talk about, all they can talk about is because they smashed into a Jewish shop, the whites were evil,

should be eradicated. By the route of its offensive and particularly its retreat, during its last brutal retreat in November through December of 1990, the White Army carried out a large number of Jewish pogroms acknowledged by Denikin, apparently not only for plunder, but also for revenge. However, Beekerman says that murders, pillage, and rape of women were not faithful companions of the White Army, unlike what is claimed by our national socialists, who exaggeration. the horrible events to advance their own agenda. Shulgin agrees, for a true white, a massacre of unarmed civilians, the murder of women and

children, and robbing someone's property are absolutely impossible things to do. Thus, the true whites in this case are guilty of negligence. They were not sufficiently rigorous in checking the scum adhering to the white movement. You have to remember, a lot of this stuff, these stories developed a little later. Because once it became clear what the Reds were, once they were, once they did. took power, once Stalin had it, sorry, once Lenin had his stroke, Stalin takes over a couple years later, the church is essentially dissolved, Jews are at the center of all of this, they now need these program stories to somehow justify it. And this is a very common tactic.

And he uses the word revenge. You know, a lot of these people have seen each other before. they knew what to do, you know, and plus, when you have an army that's running out of ammunition, they're not going to start shooting people randomly. A lot of these Jews are so neurotic and over-emotional that they just keep, you know, and these stories develop later, keep increasing and increasing and increasing. And as they get nastier, they get less and less plausible. But it's very clear that somehow it's not just to, it's to justify, line if anyone discovered what the Jews were really doing in the Soviet Union, but it's a certain

form of projection as well. Hasmatic concurred that everybody understands that General De Nican did not want pogroms, but when I was in Novorese, Novoric, and I catarina door in April through May 1919, i.e. before the march to the north, I could sense a thickened and pervasive atmosphere of anti-Semitism everywhere. Whatever it was, negligence or revenge, it served well to recognize. night the white pogroms of 1919. And keep in mind, Pasmanic is a Jewish author. Everything, almost everything you've been reading, well, Shulgin is not, but at least I don't think he is, but almost everything you've been reading has come from, Pasmanic, who's a Jewish author,

and is one of the people who created a lot of these myths. Still, by unanimous testimony of those unlucky enough to experience both types of pogroms, those by Petlora's troops, and those by the White Army, it was predominantly, prominently Petlora's troops who went for Jewish life and soul, they did the most killing. Well, not that I'm a big fan of Petlora. I never have been. He overthrew the Hetman, which was a terrible idea. But I have him in speech, after speech, after speech, saying how important the Jews were to Russia and how they should never be touched. Sometimes the director was allied with the Reds. Sometimes they weren't. For the most part, they weren't. And

It didn't take long before your typical lieutenant or captain started realizing that, you know, this is a Jewish directed movement. So, of course, they're going to suffer. You know, they have to learn how to deal with consequences here. I don't believe, as much as I just liked the man, I don't believe Petlora was engaged in any of this kind of thing. But no one liked the Jews. Everyone knew what the Jew was. Everyone knew where they got their money. It didn't really matter.

the only group that that was defending them was, as we talked about last time, was Nestor Machno, the make-believe Cossacks. And one of the reason he was doing that is because he realized how important Jews were to the revolutionary movement. And then again, it justified, it was already happening, the very harsh laws against anti-Semitism that was going on that was passed. in or the early Leninist period. But you go to your typical idiot professor out there and he'll say, yeah, well, yeah, the Jews had something to do with the destruction of the church and killing of Orthodox people everywhere. But remember, the pogroms, you know, this is all revenge killing.

And so they, the, these stories developed a bit later and got more lurid as time went on. They're very cliche. I don't, by the way, you are going to see some of this. but only because the Jews were a huge part of the Red Movement. They weren't neutral. There weren't just ordinary people at their desks, you know, doctors or accountants. And, of course, as I've said before, they were all armed. They had substantial, and this is in Ukraine.

This is in, this is an old pale of settlement. They had military formations. So the whole thing, just with community consider, that. The whole thing's a lie. They just want to create this image that these poor Jews were just, you know, praying or or, um, or, um, making matzo ball soup and, you know, for no reason. The whites came in. No, there was no such thing as a neutral Jew in this period of time. They were financing the red movement. They were a, uh, a huge part of the red movement. They were well armed. They had their own self-defense forces. They had fought the whites before. and all the various white armies in the past. So, you know, yeah, they're going to call that a pogrom, but this is very typical. Any attack at this point on a communist position was considered a program, showing you how serious, showing you how Jewish the Red Army and the Red Movement really was.

It was not the volunteer army that initiated Jewish programs in the new Russia. They began in the reborn Poland the day after she became a free and independent. state. While in Russia itself, they were started by the Ukrainian troops of the Democrat Petlura and the socialist Vinichenko. The Ukrainians turned pogroms into an everyday event. All right. Now, we have Poles. We have the White Army. We have Ukrainians. All pogromists, all doing the exact same thing. No reason has been given yet. The Jews must have been pissing everybody wants. You know, for the first time, Poland has a state created after, you know, World War I, and the first thing they do, the first thing they do is go after the Jews.

It's amazing how all of these people, for no reason, hate the Jews and are committing programs. The word program is, is over, the word is, doesn't have any definition anymore. and of course the men who took over in Poland were anti-communists for the most part and they realized what the Red Army was too and there was a large war between Poland and the Soviet Union as it was in Lithuania as it was in Ukraine and all of this was considered a pogrom because you know I've read I've read Petlurian I've read Binichenko

who was somewhat of a national socialist sort of an early version of it he was in the first first Rada government and you see him everywhere um these are some of them at least or are or leftists

none of them wanted anything to do with the Jews they all took action against the Jews every side every group with the exception of the Red Army you know it appears to me that if for 2,000 years you've been

wandering because you don't have a homeland and everywhere you go, people abuse you and ask you to leave or force you to leave. And you're completely innocent every single time, you know, that when you do get your own homeland, I guess it would make sense that if your next door neighbor decided to poke the bear, you would decide to kill them all, right? Yeah, and use chemical weapons. literally turning Gaza into an open-air gas chamber with the white phosphorus, which they've used many times, starting in 2006, doing all the same things that they claimed were done to them in the 40s. Yeah, and then creating their state in a very rough neighborhood, pushing everyone off in the process, wherever they go.

there must be just nothing but irrational people in the world the volunteer army did not start the pogroms but it carried on with them being fueled by a false conviction that all Jews were for Bolsheviks quote the name of L Trotsky was particularly hated among the whites and petlers soldiers and almost every program went under a slogan this is what you get for Trotsky and even the cadets who in the past always denounced any expression of anti-Semitism and all the more so, the pogroms, during their November 1919 conference in Karkov demanded the Jews declare restless war against those elements of Jewry who actively participated in the Bolshevist movement. At the same time, the cadets emphasized that the white

authorities do everything possible to stop pogroms, namely that since the beginning of October 1919, the leadership of the volunteer army began punishing pogromists with many measures, including execution, and as a result, pogroms stopped for a while. Yet during the December 1919 through March 1920 retreat of the volunteer army from Ukraine, the pogroms became particularly violent, and the Jews were accused of shooting the retreating whites in the back. Importantly, there were no pogroms in Siberia by A. Kolchak's group troops, as Kolchak did not tolerate pogroms. the whites or the Tsarist government

gain nothing from instability in these areas once the whites won an area the last thing they wanted was yet another battle against an armed group of Jews now the details are all over the place depending on who you read I'll repeat one more time

these Jews were armed of course not every single one of them was for Trotky but almost every single one of them were for a violent leftist movement that overthrew the Tsar and who wanted the whites gone but in terms of innocent people that's a totally different story it didn't happen they didn't have the ammunition for it and yes I'm willing to I'm willing to you know in certain cases

I don't want to get too abstract here. But, you know, when you're exhausted, when you start losing, when you realize what these Jews are doing in other parts of the country, when you don't have supplies, when you're hungry, yeah, maybe you might do something like this against a group of people who you know despise you. D. O. Linsky, himself a former white guard, emphatically writes, quote, jury was possibly given a unique chance to fight so hard for the Russian land that the slanderous claim that for Jews, Russia is just geography, and not fatherland, would

disappear once and for all. End quote. Actually, quote, there was and is no alternative. The victory of anti-Bolshevik forces will lead from suffering to revival of the whole country and of the Jewish people in particular. Jewry should devote itself to the Russian cause entirely to sacrifice their lives and wealth. Through the dark stains of the white cossibles, one, should perceive the pure soul of the white movement.

In an army where many Jewish youths were enlisted, in an army relying on extensive material support from Jewish population, anti-Semitism would suffocate in any pogromist movement would be countered and checked by internal forces. Jewry should have supported the Russian army, which went on an immortal struggle for the Russian land. Jewry was pushed from the Russian cause, yet Jewry had to push away the pushers.

He writes all this, after having painful personal experience of participation in the white movement, despite all those dark and serious problems that surfaced in the white movement, we delightfully and with great reverence bowed our uncovered heads before this one and only commendable fact of the struggle against the ignitome of Russian history, the so-called Russian Revolution. It was a great movement for the unfading values of upholding the human spirit. the white army was an extremely diverse set of forces you had Muslims in it many of them

many of them some of the most fanatical anti-communists you had different ethnics Armenians Georgians and Tartars they knew what was happening they knew what was going on of course the Cossacks all spoke Russian were Orthodox but they could come from anywhere, technically. The Armenians had money. I'm not sure if the TARDIS were considered to have had money or not. You had all of these groups who were fighting for the whites, who were organized, who actually, in the case of the – his name escapes me now, but the Chrysacian general and Muslim – who approached the whites

and who was taken in and who became a tremendous fighter Muslim of course who became a tremendous fighter for the white cause they had no problem with these people they had no problem with all of these ethnic minorities

there was no down there was one exception and that was the Jews and there has to be a reason for this and that's where the pro-Jews point of view falls apart yet the white army did not support even those Jews who volunteered for service in it.

What a humiliation people like Dr. Pasmanic had to go through. Many Jews were outraged after finding him among the pogromists. Quote, the volunteer army persistently refused to accept Jewish petty officers and cadets, even those who in October 1917 bravely fought against Bolsheviks. It was a huge moral blow to Russian Jewry. I will never forget, he writes, how 11 Jewish petty officers came to me in Semferopol, complaining that they were expelled from fighting units and posted as cooks in the rear.

I'm very, I'm a little suspicious here, but keep something in mind. From here on, you had peasant uprisings all over the Soviet Union. They weren't at their height yet. That largely came when the Civil War was over. but one of the ways they were defeated was that the Reds would dress up in peasant garb and engage in all kinds of terrorist acts

they were known for their ability to infiltrate to act like a peasant so maybe they had some reason to believe that having officers and all of a sudden, you know, Jews didn't want to fight before. Now they want to fight? Yes, it's true. The White Army, to the extent that they represented the provisional government,

had some socialist elements. But at this point, in 1919, I'm not sure that that's the case anymore. All of a sudden, now you have Jewish pedi-law. It's all becoming too convenient to me. Shulgin writes, quote, If only as many Jews participated in the white movement, that did the revolutionary democracy or in constitutional democracy before that. Yet only a tiny part of Jewry joined the white guards, only very few individuals whose

dedication could not be overhauled as the anti-Semitism among the whites was already clearly obvious by that time. Meanwhile, there were many Jews among the Reds. There, most importantly, they often occupied the top command positions. Aren't we really aware of the bitter tragedy of those few Jews who joined the volunteer army? The lives of those Jewish volunteers were as endangered by the enemy's bullets as they were by the heroes of the rear who tried to solve the Jewish question in their own manner. I'm willing to accept him that you had a tiny handful that were willing to fight for the whites for a million reasons. You're always going to have those weirdo Jews who have a problem

with their own people for one reason or another. We know some of them today. Their motivations are probably all over the place. But if they prove themselves, there would be no reason to have any problem with them, for the whites to have any problem with them. But there were too few in number to really matter. Yet it was not all about the heroes of the rear.

And anti-Semitic feelings had burst into flames among the young white officers from the intellectual family. despite all their education, tradition, and upbringing. And this all the more doomed the White Army to isolation and perdition. Linsky tells us that on the territories controlled by the Volunteer Army, the Jews were not employable in the government services or in the Oswag Information Propaganda Agency, an intelligence and counterintelligence agency established by the White Army,

in the White Army by General A. Dragomirov. yet he refutes the claim that publications of Asvog contained anti-Semitic propaganda and that pogromis were not punished. No, the command did not want Jewish programs yet. It could not act against the pogromous attitudes of their troops. It psychologically couldn't use severe measures. The army was not as it used to be, and requirements of the regular wartime or peacetime military charters could not be fully applied to it, as the minds of all soldiers were

already battle-scarred by the civil war. Although they didn't want pogroms, De Nican's government didn't dare to denounce anti-Semitic propaganda loudly, despite the fact that the pogroms inflicted great harm on DeNican's army. Pesmonic concludes, The Volunteer Army generally assumed the hostile attitude towards the entire Russian Jewry.

But I Levin disagrees, saying that the views of only one part of the movement, those of the active pogromists, are not attributed to the whole movement, while in reality the white movement was quite complex. It was composed of different factions with often opposite views. Yet to bet on Bolsheviks to walk in their shadows because of the fear of pogroms is obvious and evident madness. A Jew says either the Bolsheviks or the pogroms, whereas he should have been saying, the longer the

Bolsheviks whole power, the closer we are to certain death. Yet, the Judeo-communists were in the parlance of the whites agitators as well. Yeah, it's how do you condemn, and of course, you know, the word anti-Semitism is really such a, such a falsity here because they are absolute Khazars. They have no connection to Middle East at all, but I guess we use the term just for the sake of, you know, because it's easy and we all, we all recognize it. They certainly weren't a Semitic people. But Levin is correct, at least to that extent, that, you know, it wasn't unfortunately

diverse movement the really strict royalist groups from Keller Keller's group didn't have any problem here those who you would expect

to have the most anti-Semitic point of who really did were not engaged in any of this kind of thing which I think is important to note it's fair to say that even before the war started

the overwhelming majority of Russian Jewry despised a monarchy, despised Russian Guiam and wanted a revolutionary movement imposed on the country with some Western backing. Therefore, how do you tell the difference between anti-Semitism

and just fighting a war against the communists? That line is so vague as really being on existence. all this was resolutely stopped by wrangell and crimea where there was nothing like what was described above wrangle even personally ordered reverend vladimir vostakov to stop his public anti-jewish sermons in july 1920 shulam bespelov the aforementioned jewish millionaire wrote from paris to wrangell in the crimea we must save our motherland. She will be saved by the children of the soil and industrialists. We must give away 75% of our revenue until the value of ruble has recovered and normal life rebuilt.

Yet it was already too late. Still, a part of the Jewish population in Crimea chose to evacuate with Rangel's army. True, the white movement was in desperate need of the support of the Western public opinion, which in turn largely dependent on the fate of Russian Jewry. It needed that support, yet as we saw, it had fatally and unavoidably developed a hostility toward the Jews and later it was not able to prevent pogroms. As Secretary of State for War, Winston Churchill was the major advocate

of the Allied intervention in Russia and military aid to the white armies. Because of the pogroms, Churchill appealed directly to Daniken. My goal of securing the support in the Parliament for the Russian National Movement will be incomparably more difficult if the pogroms are not stopped. Churchill also feared the reaction of powerful Jewish circles among the British elite. Jewish circles in the USA had similar opinions on the situation in Russia. Yeah, it's more the same. Churchill, you know, had some conception, despite the fact that his family was very phyllosemitic

and was very much in debt to Jewish bankers. his father especially was very degenerate um he was getting in his newspaper these irrational pogroms all the time now there was a at this point there was at least one attempt to reach the white forces um from the west from the entente and they said if you um eliminate all anti-semite from your ranks if you take on all war debt including the the debt which is a very small from the from the from the from the from the from the czarist era um engage in a disarm engage in a constituent assembly election with the marxas we will consider aiding you now now now even someone like the Nican what wasn't wasn't that naive as to take a deal like that obviously that

was meant to almost be a mocking set of conditions it was impossible that but that's that's how we know that there was no aid at all coming from the Western world to the whites. Churchill wrote at this time that he knew that there was a close connection between Bolshevism and Jewry, which is why he liked the idea of encouraging Zionism, because he saw it as something more nationalist than Marxists. I don't know, he never heard of Moses Hess, but there was something to that. I mean, they could have simply left. Churchill could have then advocated a move to somewhere else rather than staying in Russia.

But that was not going to be the case. The Jews were on the cusp of victory. No aid was coming from Britain. No aid was coming from there no matter what the whites did. And the conditions that the British with the old entente laid down for assistance were so ridiculous. There was no way to do it. and the simple fact remains. And Churchill knew that making a distinction between the Bolsheviks and Jewry was very hard to do.

You know, he wanted good press, not necessarily the reality of it, but good press. God knows what he was reading in the British. You know, I've read some of the older articles. The Russian barbarian is slaughtering Jews for no reason. That's what your British aristocrats were reading every day. it wasn't true. Jews, of course, were extremely powerful in Britain. And of course, there were certain disagreements, but they still actively supported the Red Army. And any intervention, and I'll say this again and again and again, during the war, of course, was for the sake of getting the Russians back into the war. But afterwards, it was to protect their own assets to try to encourage the secession. of the Baltics, especially down south, the French, the attempt to make sure the oil wells didn't fall into the hands of the whites

or anybody else but themselves to protect their own ammunition stores, which could have been given to the whites, but were never. They were destroyed rather than given to the whites. So I'll repeat this until the day I die. The interventionists in the Russian Civil War had zero to do with support. the whites. In fact, they stated, and in my book on the Soviet Union, I don't know if in the paper I just sent you, I don't know if I mentioned it there, maybe it's another one I'll send you soon, where they come out and say, we are not supporting the whites here. And the British banking establishment pretty once said that Trotsky was their guy, the only real statesman in Russia, and that's where they put their bets on, the man they put their bets on, and to a lesser extent, Lenin. however the pogroms were not stopped which largely explains the extremely weak and reluctant assistance given by western powers to the white armies and calculations by wall street naturally led it to support bolsheviks as to more likely future rulers over russia's riches

moreover the climate in the u.s and europe was permeated by sympathy toward those who claim to be builders of a new world with their grandiose plans and great social objective Well, that doesn't largely explain the extremely weak and reluctant assistance. There was no assistance given. The pogroms were a part of it, but it's not a huge part of it. That was, if anything, it was a consequence rather than a cause. I have quote after quote after quote, as well as people at writers like Anthony Sutton has book after book after book, citing the British establishment, to lesser extent, the American establishment, siding with the reds,

partially because they weren't 100% sure what bolivism was, which only didn't affect them negatively, either way. And partially, you know, you had so many intellectuals in the West calling the Soviet Union the wave of the future. It was a huge, itself it was a wave, especially in Britain and America, that this is where we're all headed. And we really need to support this. movement and jewelry of course

should be our superiors and that's why they run this and that's no exaggeration that wave of the future concept was extremely important and the American intellectual class unless you were specifically anti-communist tended to

tend to see it that way and as the decades went on that just got even even worse which is part of the reason as you mentioned a few weeks ago, the censorship of the man-made famines and the purges, which were really, yeah, they slaughtered a million people, but that's, that's nothing. I mean, they did

that every day at this period of time. It was a weekend for the Soviet Union. They want to blame everything on Stalin, but it didn't keep the Western money from porn. And it was still the way with the future, whether it be Stalin, even, even Khrushchev. Later on, it wasn't. but Lennon, Trotky, Bukado, Stalin, early Khrushchev, the intellectual establishment, media establishment saw Bolshevism, which they understood sort of as the wave of the future. We have one long paragraph, a small one, and then a natural break. So we'll see what we got at the end of the second one.

And yet, the behavior of the former ententeenths of Western nations during the entire civil war is striking by its greed and blind indifference toward the white movement, the successor of their wartime ally, Imperial Russia. They even demanded that the whites joined the Bolshevik delegation at the Versailles Peace Conference. Then there was this delirious idea of peace negotiations with the Bolsheviks on the Prince's Islands. The entente, which should not recognize any of the white governments officially, was hastily recognizing, all those new national states emerging on the periphery of Russia, thus unambiguously betraying the desire for its dismemberment. The British hurried to occupy the oil-rich region of Baku. The Japanese claimed parts of the Far East and the Kamchatka Peninsula. The American troops in Siberia were more of a hindrance than a help and actually facilitated the capture

Primori by the Bolsheviks. The Allies even extorted payments for any aid they provided. in gold from Kolchak, in the south of Russia, in the form of Black Sea vessels, concessions, and future obligations. There were truly shameful episodes when the British were leaving the Archangel region in the Russian North, they took some of them, they took with some of them, they took with them some of the Tsar's military equipment and ammunition. They gave some of what they couldn't take to the Reds and sunk the rest in the sea, to prevent it from getting into the hands of the whites. In the spring of

1920, the Entente put forward an ultimatum to the white generals De Nican and Rangel, demanding an end to their struggle against the Bolsheviks. In the summer of 1920, France provided some material aid to Rangel so that he could help Poland. Yet only six months later, they were parsimoniously deducting Rangel's military equipment as payment for feeding of those Russian soldiers who retreated to Gallipoli. Yeah, and this is why the history of the 20th century needs to be rewritten. Because lazy historians will say that anything that the Western powers did in Russia at this time was to fight the communists. They say that all the time.

It's usually wrong. or anything that the Americans did concerning civil wars, even in the third world later on, was to fight the communists. It was never the case. Beyond that, it also makes a mockery of Marxism. You know, I've been studying Marxist theory, the doctoral level for, God, I don't know,

you know, since I could walk and there is no, there's no opening in Marxist theory for the wealthy to start supporting this movement. Not so they can control it or change it. No, actively supporting it. The fact that no workers were involved, these were upper middle class Jews from all over the place and tons of aristocrats in Western Europe

who suddenly discovered a purpose with all of this. it makes a mockery of everything that's assumed about 20th century history and it starts here and so everything from here on in especially the assumptions made about the Cold War are simply incorrect the entire history of the 20th century

has to be rewritten completely and this is the beginning of this is the start of it and this is why we can judge about the actions of the few occupational forces actually sent by the Entente from a testimonial by Prince Grigory Trebetskoy, a serious diplomat who observed the French army during its occupation in Odessa in 1919. Quote, French policies in the south of Russia in general and their treatment of issues of

Russian statehood in particular were strikingly confused, revealing the gross misunderstanding of the situation. Yeah, and you know, I've said in the previous paragraph, paragraphs, I've said there's several times are ready. And to some extent it was this book, but there were others like Sutton, Bartholov in Russian, and a few others that got me on this track, that it doesn't make any sense. The interventionists could have crushed the Red Army in two seconds.

Now, not maybe at this point, the Red Army got to be about $4 million strong. But in the beginning, when it first started, they only had a tiny tollholt in Petersburg. When it first happened, they could have. The Japanese could have smashed it. The West prevented that from happening. The French could have. The British and the Americans could have. But people like Vronsu, for whatever reason, I'm sorry, Dienikin, he had almost a romantic connection to the Entente where, you know,

he just waited for aid from them. They're eventually going to get the picture and they're going to help me. And he lived his life that way. Eventually they're going to get, you know, they're going to understand the truth. And by the way, at Versailles, it was only the Reds that represented the Soviet Union

that were present there. And in my book on the Soviet experiment, it's almost pathetic to the extent that he just had so much faith, the Western allies were going to soon understand and then figure out the story and then assist him. Oh my God, if we didn't realize how bad they were. There's the same thing.

I mean, Hitler, to some extent, was shocked. How the hell is the British Empire supporting Stalin of all people? You know, again, it doesn't seem, it's counterintuitive, but the deeper you go into it, you realize the logic behind it. it doesn't make sense only to the neophyte but those of us who know how to go deeper realize that he actually makes a lot of sense but Marxism has an ideology

and I want to reiterate this is made a mockery of by the fact that it was only the wealthy who were into it workers rarely unless they were lied to about it supported it peasants of course despised it

people wanted their own property. But the Marxists wanted it collectivized and socialized. That is not what they wanted. In fact, it was the opposite of what they wanted. What difference would it make whether you have a wealthy boss telling you what to do or a commissar telling you what to do? They wanted their own independence.

And neither capitalist nor Marxists were willing to do that. In Russia, of course, being neither of those things prior to the World War I, you had a better situation as close to ideals you can get in relative to Europe at the time Germany very similar so anyway so much of this the ideological side of this too falls apart and that's why university professors have to lie about it because not only their ideology doesn't make any sense anymore if this is all true and when Anthony Sutton wrote his that was a three-volume work as to how the Western wealthy built the USSR, there was an incredible silence.

It's like that, you know, there was a lot of negative reviews and stuff, but, but if you read it and you believed that your entire worldview had to be rewritten, not just history, your personal ideology had to be rewritten, nothing makes sense anymore. And only, you know, national socialism or some variant of that, social nationalism, was the only movement who grasped it. You know, the monarchists, too, in Russia and elsewhere. We're the only ones who understood that there was something else happening here. And the Bolsheviks were lying to people, say, oh, you're going to get, you're going to guarantee you your own plot of land.

Well, if you're a communist, Leninist, Stalinist, you're against private property. How can you promise anyone their own land? And yet that was the main slogan of the Leninists at this point. No, they were going to collectivize it and force you to work on it for, uh, Jewish commissars who knew nothing about agriculture. And so the country starved. And then Jewish writers in the U.S. as time went on were trying to figure out why was there so much anti-Semitism among the Russians. I guess it's because they're just irrational animals and jealous people.

They just couldn't figure it out. Yeah. I think it's telling that when you look in history, You can, you're allowed to denigrate a whole religion over the Inquisition or a child sex scandal, which is turned out to be endemic to most organized, social and religious and governmental organizations. And you're allowed to denigrate an ethnos, blame them for a war. World War and say they got what they deserved at the end of the war. But, and you're allowed to detail exactly how, but they always point to like the worst things.

The, you know, oh, the Inquisition, this many people were executed, this many children were abused here, this many people were killed during the war here. But when you point out, like, a blatant murder, a blatant murder campaign, mass murder campaign in Russia, or the existential, the seemingly existential crises that are caused by usury and pornography and things like that, you're not. allowed to it's verboten to talk about the group that when you dig down into the weeds and you figure out who was most responsible for it you can't they're not that group's not allowed to be denigrated while any other group over here religion or ethnos is allowed to be demonized to the point of used as like campfire tales to scare your children and they we don't want to denigrate anybody. We're simply telling the truth. Yes, the truth denigrates them. Not us.

Yeah, you're absolutely right. But, you know, I'm convinced you take the media out of the picture, you take academia out of the picture, you take fashion out of the picture. If you go to the average person and you give an explanation of the various ideologies that they could hold that we'd win, ideology is tried and true. That's why I talk about how it worked in the third world in places like South Korea, the Third Reich, very similar sets of policies.

Even to some extent, Putin, and starting in 2000, where a country on the verge of dissolution was within a few years brought to major power status, incredible prosperity,

all through that same ideological prison but today of course not only is it forbidden but in Europe you go to prison for it and we know even even you know it would be considered

I guess ethnic incitement or something like that you go to prison for talking like this it's the one ideological point of view you're not allowed to hold and it's very frustrating I've been debating people on religion and ideology since I was 17, and most of the time I end up explaining that your understanding of it is simply faulty.

We disagree less than you realize. You have a caricature of the Christian faith, not the reality. You don't know that much about it. E. Michael Jones makes a big deal about our passions. You know, someone who has addicted to pornography has ever been. reason to despise things like confession and a strict moral code. So maybe there's things that are just not quite intellectual about their decision to hate the faith.

The sex stuff, I have an article on that actually, is such a myth, from at least from the Catholic point of view. It's such nonsense. There's actually a website that has a Bissop's accountability. it's called. It has a full list from 1949 to today of every clergyman has ever been even accused slightly of it. And you realize for the overwhelming majority of them, there wasn't even enough evidence for an arrest, let alone a conviction, a tiny percentage were ever convicted of anything. And among those people, the church had taken substantial action against them. Many

of them were former clergy anyway. And then we look at the public school system and we see where it really is. So again, you have another aspect of projection here. We know where the sexual abuse is. So we're going to make sure that we can project it onto our enemies. They don't do that consciously, of course. But it's very convenient for them.

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Thank you, Dr. Johnson. talk you next time i want to welcome everyone back to our reading of 200 years together by alexander solzhenycin this is episode 74 dr johnson how are you doing today here's my question to roman catholics how could you believe in purgatory with the existence of kidney stones in the world seems to me that that's that's it you know um that level of suffering is so bizarrely bad, that should take care of everything. You know, purgatory just seems adding to that. Is it just more kidney stones?

I don't know. It just occurred to me just a second ago. How are you doing? I don't know. Maybe I'll go argue that one with the priest and see what he says. All right. Looks like we're going to finish this chapter. It might be a short episode, but we'll be starting a new one on the next one.

I know people are looking forward to getting through, hearing more about this period in the history of Russia. So here we go. The Black Streak of Jewish pogroms in Ukraine ran through the whole of 1919 and the beginning of 1920. By their scope, scale, and atrocity, these pogroms immeasurably exceeded all the previous historical instances discussed in this book. The pogroms of 1881 through 1882, 1903, and 1905. U. Laren, a high-placed Soviet functionary, wrote in the 1920s that during the Civil War, Ukraine saw, quote, a very large number of massive Jewish pogroms far exceeding anything from the past with respect to the number of victims and number of perpetrators. Vinichenko allegedly said that, quote, the pogroms would stop only when the Jews would stop being communists. And I was writing my book on Ukraine.

I came across him. I read him, I had a Vinochenko phase. And I came to the conclusion that you have a lot of proto-national socialists at the time. You know, anyone who is a legitimate nationalist and a socialist automatically is a national socialist. They're not necessarily, you know, Hitlerians. But you have so many of the concepts of it. Vinochenko, you know, is not lionized by the left today. He's probably unknown.

And I have come across that line. He has said it. He did say it. He said, and the number of perpetrators, that's the, now I'm rolling my eyes so much here. I'm starting to get a cramp in my eye muscles. But the number of perpetrators, that means everybody, everyone who they deal with has a problem. with them. To the point of violence. I'll repeat what I said when I've been saying. These were armed groups. These were highly cohesive. They were almost exclusively allied with the left and its various factions. And so, you know, it's not like there's innocent people. We talked about the whites smashing up stores. I don't know how much how they knew what a Jewish store was. And how a non-Jewish store, unless theirs was just the biggest, the whites were always struggling with supplies, always.

I'm sure, I mean, sometimes I know they're written in Hebrew letters, like they were like in Brooklyn in the 20s. You see that? I'm not sure back in places like Kiev in Odessa. So other than that, though, I don't know if that's how it was at all. Excuse me. But number of perpetrators. We're talking about the whites. We're talking about certain Cossacks.

We're talking about the polls. We're even talking about certain leftists, including some of the rebels, certainly the peasant rebels. This is like a mini version of the 109. But whoever they deal with, there's violence against them. But this is a very specific kind of violence. and but Venetchenko here, what he says here is absolutely correct. That's why this is going on. There is no precise estimate of the number of victims of those pogroms.

Of course, no reliable count could be performed that situation, neither during the events nor immediately afterwards. In the book Jewish pogroms, we read, quote, the number of murdered in Ukraine and Bilo Rocia between 1917 and 1921 is approximately 180 to 200,000. The number of orphans alone, 300,000. But speaks of the enormous scale of the catastrophe. The present-day Jewish Encyclopedia tells us that by different estimates,

from 70,000 to 180,000 to 200,000 Jews were killed. So it's probably maybe half or a third of that number in reality. What they don't ask is how many of the... We, you know, well, first of all, how many of these were started by Jews, armed Jews? This has been a longstanding issue with them. And how many of the whites were killed in the process? A pogrom, you can't confuse a pogrom with an actual battle. And when you talk about numbers like this, it sounds like, let's say the third half of it is true, maybe.

You're talking about shootouts, not just lining people up against the wall. With numbers like this, this is a civil war numbers. It's not a catastrophe. This is what happens when the Jews have relied themselves with the Marxists and are very well armed. Compiling data from different Jewish sources, a modern historian comes up with 900 mass programs, of which 40% by Petlora's Ukrainian directorate groups, troops, 25% by the squads of the various Ukrainian Ottomans, Adamans, 17% by Danikin's white army troops, and 8.5% by the first cavalry of Boudioni and other Red Army troops.

That's interesting. Every once in a while, you'll come across this. I've been reading Trotsky on the Jews recently, and he brings this up that you do have some. I mean, he admits that a. massive proportion of Red Army soldiers from officers right down to the conscripts didn't want to be there and didn't want to fight. But they had ways of making them stay there. He admits this. He doesn't deny it.

And part of the reason for that was the commissar system. You had, you know, in the Red Army, even then, you had punitive detachments to the rear that shot anyone who tried to retreat. Even at the Civil War level, this was going on. Trotsky talks all about it. Now, when those guys get shot, they were overwhelmingly Jewish. Is this a program? I'm guaranteeing you that in their mind, it is.

Now, Petlura, at a personal level, being a high-ranking nation, you know, you didn't have much with Hetman Skodipotsky in charge, by the way. You didn't have any, as I mentioned before, in the strictestestine. Orthodox white armies like Kellers and Gagoria, people like that, you had very little. But Lauria was generally phylo-Semitic. So trying to blame these. These were simply battles. These weren't top-down issues. And the Ottomans were talking about, you know, Hedman is the elected head of a Cossack force.

And Ottoman is something less formal. They could be anybody. it could be something like it really is as low as a gang leader that has some political orientation where they're getting these numbers from how they're getting it together I have no idea but

you can understand the white army's point of view but Laura and he's been excoriated in the Jewish press ever since then for this but remember Ukraine is right dead center in the Palo settlement, meaning that they know Jews very well. You notice that no other wealthy minorities being harmed here.

Doesn't come up ever at all. But even if it's true about Petlora, well, he overthrew the Hetman, the only chance that Ukraine ever had to function and become a workable, more or less independent state. destroyed and still destroyed today. Jews were always an opponent of that. You know, Ukrainian nationalism was strictly a rural matter. It was an agrarian matter because very few Ukrainians lived in cities. That was the realm of Jews overwhelmingly and some Germans, some Russians, some Greeks, some Armenians, a handful of Arabs sometimes, who apparently were not

armed. We're not singled out. We're not shot. So, Muslims tended to be on the white side overwhelmingly. So I question a lot of this stuff. And Solzniitin's being a little bit dramatic here. He seems to sort of accept it. But I think as we go on here, he's going to give some more explanation. Shouldn't it also be taken into consideration that it would be very hard to know exactly how many Jews were there in the first place, considering they could never get a census on them because they were moving so much? That's exactly right.

That goes back, what, three, four months now. They have no idea how many Jews were there. They're very hard to get a hold of. They're changing their names all over the place, even if that were the case. Yeah, that goes back many years. You're absolutely correct. These numbers are speculative at best. Yet how many butchered lives are behind these figures?

Already during the Civil War, national and socialist Jewish parties began merging with the Reds. The Farinicht, the United Jewish Socialist Workers Party, turned into the Comfarinict, communist social Jewish socialist workers' party and adopted the communist program, and together with the communist wing of the Bund formed the Kambul. in June 1920, in Ukraine, associates and members of the Farinicht. Together with the Ukrainian Kambun formed the Khamfarbund, the Jewish Communist Union, which later joined the all-Russian Communist Party of Bolsheviks. In 1919, in Kiev, the official Soviet press provided text in three languages,

Russian, Ukrainian, and Yiddish. The Bolsheviks used these programs to their enormous advance, They extremely skillfully exploited the programs in order to influence public opinion in Russia and abroad in many Jewish and non-Jewish circles in Europe and America. And the same argument goes for any kind of act of violence against Jews today, which we all condemn, and we condemn it, at least in part, because it serves their interests. And the act of violence It serves the regime They love that It creates cohesiveness

The state goes into overdrive They shut down free speech They have all these programs For school kids You know violence against a synagogue Which is usually done from the inside But even if it wasn't Only serves the interests

of the elite of the Jews of the system so they're gaining nothing in the midst of a civil war that they apparently are losing the whites and anyone connected to them has absolutely no incentive to do this the only incentive I could see is is grounding for supplies from the white army which in many cases was that we've already mentioned that so if if If there were no pogroms, they would have to invent them. And I have the feeling that they did. This is why people like Danikin told me, you know, we know that the Jews are the communists and everything, but you can't openly persecute them when we take an area, when we capture an area.

That's precisely what they want. That's exactly why they've become so cohesive in this situation to begin with. It serves no one's interest but theirs. yet the reds had the finger in the pie as well and they were actually first ones in the spring of nineteen eighteen units of the red army retreating from ukraine perpetrated pogroms using the slogan strike the yids and the bourgeoisie the most atrocious pogroms were carried out by first cavalry army during its retreat from poland in the end of august nineteen twenty yet historical awareness of the pogroms carried out by the red army during the civil war has rather, has been rather glossed over. Only a few condemning voices have spoken on the topic. Pasmonic wrote, quote, During the first winter of Bolshevik rule,

the red troops fighting under the red banner carried out several bloody pogroms, most notable of which were pogroms in Glukov and Novgorod Seveski. By number of victims, deliberate brutality, torture, and abuse, those two had eclipsed even the Kalush massacre. retreating before the advancing Germans, the red troops were destroying Jewish settlements on their route. Well, they were destroying every settlement on their route. That was their method.

It was very much a red army style or Chinese people's army style slash and burn kind of retreat. Now, of course, he's quoting somebody here. But if you are a non-Jew, who joins the Communist Party out of some sort of misplaced idealism, how could you not notice the tremendously privileged position that they're in that the super wealthy Jews are considered workers and proletarians in official party documents who talked about this already and not be totally disillusioned?

And again, I have to bring up the commissar system. Trotsky mentions it even now. Even at this point, every officer or even NCOs had a commissar attached to them or even maybe a small group of them who never left their side, never left their side. Because it was strictly political rather than military, these were overwhelmingly Jewish. You had the same problem in World War II, even to a greater extent. It never really went away. Now, I don't know about 60, 70, I don't know if it was the same in Afghanistan. I think that may have not been the case then.

but in this era, that's exactly how the Red Army functioned. That certainly, you know, it would explain some Red Army contempt of the Jews. That certainly is not a pogrom, though. This is what happens in civil wars that are deeply ideological and where the Jews are at the core of it. S. Masloff is also quite clear. Quote, the March of the Bidjoni Cavalry Army during its relocation from the Polish to the Crimean Front, was marked by thousands of murdered Jews,

thousands of raped women and dozens of utterly raised and looted Jewish settlements. In Zadamir, each new authority inaugurated its rule with a pogrom, and often repeatedly after each time the city changed hands again.

The feature of all those pogroms by Petluro's, troops, the Poles, or the Soviets was the large number of killed, end quote. The Buginski and Tarashansky regiments stood out in particular, though those two having come from over to Buniani from the directorate. Allegedly, those regiments were disarmed because of the pogroms and the instigators were hanged. The above-sided socialist S. Schwartz concludes from his historical standpoint

in 1952, quote, during the revolutionary period, particularly during the Civil War, anti-Semitism has grown extraordinarily, and especially in the the South spread extensively in the broad masses of the urban and rural population. These people still have no idea as to why people would hate them. After all of this, what was going on at the time? I mean, regardless of, you know, all the idealism that anyone in the Red Army thought was there was totally dashed. Russians at this point were already being sent to camps. In one of the papers I sent you, and just so you know, I've sent two length. the papers on the Civil War

on the ideology and the religious aspects of it that deal with a lot of this. So there's some reading material to clarify this. The Gulag camp was already established. It was established really 19, 19, 1920. It was certainly in London's lifetime.

And he talks about it. Usually they use monasteries. Up in the far north was really bad. And the entire system, of course, was run, by Jews, but they have to sit there and, I wonder what's causing all of this hatred. They must, it's because they're, they're, they're, uh, un-evolved of, uh, Slavic savages. That must be the case.

They are pathologically incapable of self-reflection. Alas, the resistance of the Russian population to the Bolsheviks, without which we wouldn't have a right to call ourselves a people, had faltered and took wrong turns in many ways, including on the Jewish issue. Meanwhile, the Bolshevik was touting the Jews, and they were joining it, and the Civil War was more and more broadening that chasm between reds and whites. Quote, if the revolution in general has cleared jury of suspicion in counter-revolutionary attitude, the counter-revolution has suspected all Jewry of being pro-revolutionary, and thus the Civil War became an unbearable torment for Jewry, further consolidating them on the wrong revolutionary positions, and so they failed to recognize a genuine redemptive essence of the white armies.

Yeah, their connection with the white armies, as we talked about before, was absolutely minimal. The reader has to ask themselves, why? I mean, why are Jews, matter where they go, who they deal with, that end up in some kind of trouble? What are they doing? And no other minority group is like this. And there were several. We talked about in the Revolution of 1905, 06, the reason why the Jews were kicked out of the universities

is because they simply turned them into centers of revolutionary violence. That's why they were there. It wasn't about education. People were killed that way. And it only got far worse in this case. The only way you were going to get any Jew interested in the white, as if they truly represented the provisional government, which was Jewish.

It was mostly Masonic. But it was Jewish. But it doesn't matter where it is. It's no matter where you go. Just unbearable torment. Really? Now, I think this is maudlin. I think this is wildly exaggerated.

Lots of people were tormented. During the Civil War, it was bloody. It was nasty. It was led by Trunschy. It was a Judaic movement. You know, torching churches, destroying the peasant communes, that would never be the case, unless it had a strong Judaic element, no matter what side you were on. And I could just picture of Cossack saying, you know, I told you so. This is just a – this is just the payoff, everything we've talked about from the very beginning, especially when the Poles – the Polish Empire fell apart and became absorbed into the Russian Empire.

Everything that they were culminated into this. This is totally on brand for them. It's very hard to find. I don't believe women were raped. I think that would be very, very hard to do under these circumstances. Especially when you're talking about in any of these battles, you have plenty of Russians who were killed. So, you know, this is just a lot of model.

nonsense, we're the eternal victim, and they're putting this out to the West, almost to cover up, I mean, to cover up the fact that Russians were being sent to camps, were being slaughtered, peasants' uprisings were being slaughtered in huge numbers, and they were using chemical weapons against the Antonov movement and many other peasant uprising that were already starting. Peasant uprisings that didn't really end until the German invasion. they were covering up for that by talking about these pogroms, of course, done for absolutely no reason. Let's not overlook the general situation during the Civil War. Quote, it was literally a chaos which released unbridled anarchy across Russia.

Anybody who wanted and was able to rob and kill was robbing and killing whoever he wanted. Officers of the Russian army were massacred in the hundreds and thousands by bands of mutinous rabble, Entire families of landowners were murdered. Estates were burned. Valuable pieces of art were pilfered and destroyed. In some places, in manners, all living things, including livestock, were exterminated. Mob rule spread terror on the streets of cities. Owners of plants and factories were driven out of their enterprises and dwellings. Tens of thousands of people all over Russia were shot for the glory of the proletarian revolution. Others rotted in stinking and vermin-infested prisons as hostages. It was not a crime or person. personal actions that put a man under the acts, but his affiliation with certain social stratum or class. It would be an absolute miracle if, under conditions when whole human groups were designated for extermination, the group named Jews remained exempt. The curse of the time was that it was possible to declare an entire class or a tribe

evil. So condemning an entire social class to destruction is called revolution. Yet to kill and rob Jews is called the pogrom. The Jewish program in the south of Russia was a component of the all-Russia component of the all-Russia program. And that's my position. I think that's our position in my papers that I've sent to you. It gives even more detail as to how this was the case.

Lennon and Trotsky were talking about this that we're not shy about saying that huge groups in Russian Orthodox peoples, you know, Russian nationalists, especially Russian nationalists of any kind, were to be herded to the camps or simply shot, peasants who didn't want to give over their grain and starve. So either they had to rise up against the Reds who they couldn't beat or they starved. Those are their two options.

That's what was happening. That's not discussed. I mean, most people don't know what the Antenov uprising was. It was 60,000 men, 60,000 armed peasants. there were no gun laws in old Russia. There certainly is going to be under the USSR, but not under old Russia, took up arms against the so-called bread detachments, the early forms of the Cheka. They talked, you know, their first constitution, I think the first two constitutions

of the USSR mandated and legitimized collective punishment for entire group, sometimes entire regions. I mentioned the poison gas that doesn't get used. It was the only way that they were able to defeat the peasants under the Antonov, Internov, Shina, 19, 1920. They use poison gas in many cases. How they got it was a very good question. We all know that the Jews have been excellent smugglers. That's really what they were throughout their time in Russia.

the fall of the Polish Empire. And they used it whenever they didn't think they could win. Reading Trotsky, there's a whole Trotsky archive online where all his stuff is there for free. And it's worth a read. He talks about this to some extent. Sometimes he uses code words, but they're not shy about admitting all of this and then complaining, then wondering why, how can you be anti-Semitic? How can it possibly be? You must be crazy. After these Jewish groups would then destroy all these areas. These bread detachments were

Jewish. The entire anti-religious component was Jewish. The entire punitive units, you know, the Cheka and stuff, were Jewish at the high levels, even the middle levels. And their methods of torture were vile. The whites would take a town and they would see it. They would see, you know, They wouldn't clean up a room after the guy was tortured. You torture a bunch of people. The place is just coated in body parts and everything else. And it was a psychological thing. You get brought into a room and you see eyeballs and everything everywhere.

That was how they did things. This was how the Khazars did things. This was, this is why the Khazars were considered Antichrist in the early Middle Ages. When the Khazar Empire was at its height. They're not shy about talking about this, and yet we can't mention it, and you get sent to prison in parts of Europe for bringing it up. That last paragraph was all a quote from the book by a Russian Jew, Elias Bickerman, and the book was called Russia and Russian Jew. So, yeah, that came from a Jewish source. All right.

Last paragraph of the chapter. Such was the woeful acquisition of all the peoples of Russia, including the Jews, after the successful attainment of equal rights, after the splendid revolution of March 1917, that both the general sympathy of Russian Jews towards the Bolsheviks and the developed attitude of the white forces towards Jews eclips and erased the most important. important benefit of a possible white victory, the same evolution of the Russian state. I think the way to summarize all of this is, and I know it sounds repetitive at this point, but sometimes it's hard to wrap your brain around. Programs weren't done for no reason. It wasn't that Jews were singled out, is that when you were at war with the communist, they were mostly Jews. You had entire units. When they created there, and they had so much money from the West, you know, the whites had nothing. The whites were

struggling, even with basic nutrition, especially and not so much, the Siberians did better. But, you know, in 1919, you know, their ammunition was coming from the field. They had to take weaponry from dead reds. And of course, they knew that these were Western supplied weapons. The Nican talks about it in his biography. And, you know, you still had some of them who believed that the Antente, Western allies, you're going to come around and realize how terrible that Bolsheviks are and support them.

And that naivte, you know, it's one of the many things that lost in the war. because even if they did what the Entente wanted them to do, they would be no aid whatsoever. There were interventions, Western interventions in Russia at the time. They had nothing to do with Marxism or the Bolsheviks. They didn't know what Bolivism was. They certainly didn't see it as a threat.

It was there. They were there to protect their assets. And during the war, of course, to try to get Russia back into the war again and to keep Germany from certain ammunition stocks in the Baltic Sea from their ports for submarines. That was the point of it to protect the oil wells in the southern part of the country. And yet it's still that myth, that black myth, that they were fighting Marxism. like they had any clue

like what Woodrow Wilson as intelligent as you was had any idea I mean he was well educated to put it that way but a real

Bolshevik wasn't because they were never honest in public about what they were anyway and that and that they were

expert propagandists you know the whites tried propaganda but it was never it was never at the psychological level

that the Jews were able to they simply didn't have the money you know it comes down to the fact that the Jews

had been a revolutionary force for a long time, not just during a civil war. This is just the apogee. This is just a culmination of everything that's happened before. And by now, you know, there were no unarmed Jews. There were no innocent Jews. They knew exactly what was going on. Yeah, Trotsky had a problem with some of the Zionists. That's true. But he realized that some of the Zionists were on his side anyway, thanks to Moses Hess. Trotsky wanted to make you think

that he didn't think in Jewish terms, but he absolutely did. He talks about the pogroms all the time. This stuff, so much of this stuff is propaganda. They're coming from the Red Army, knowing that this is what's going to keep the aid flowing. The more program stories I could come up with and put into the Western news, the more money they're going to get from the shifts of the world,

Rockefellers of the world, world, the Rothschilds of the world, and the governments who they control. And when the exiles, the right-wing exiles, went to the West, went to Central Europe, and then eventually the U.S. Russian Orthodox Church abroad centered in New York City, they were too insular. They didn't speak English. They didn't really have a propaganda section. For good reasons, they weren't open to outsiders. I've gotten in. I've experienced that myself.

There's a good reason for that. The Jews weren't like that. The Jews were far better at that kind of thing. And the American government, through the police forces and the FBI, was tailing these people. These were Russian nationals. These were Zaris. That's far more. That they considered a threat.

Bolsheviks never. And now you have a entire country, as Sultan Eastern lays out and we quote or whether it was a country that is just absolutely in shock, PTSD, beyond belief, and that all the Jews can think about is themselves, despite the fact that they were a combatant side of this civil war. they hated Christianity certainly the Russian monarchy and Russian Orthodox Church probably the new Rome more than anybody that was the Goy of Goyam long before there were any pogroms

pogroms serve the interests of the Red Army served the interests of the Jews of course there's going to be attacks on them how can you not the Ukrainians were well aware of this what do they expect given their behavior given their behavior over the last three or four generations

and yet because they're incapable of reflecting on their own action and taking responsibility for anything they have to come up with some kind of special pleading explanation for as to why people hate them and I'm telling you and you know and some of our listeners know there was good reason to hate them at the time there is no excusing what they did and what they will continue to do in destroying Russia right up until the early 1970s and the Jews kind of withdrew from the USSR

around that point so that explains that that's a summary of what we've been doing here that's what's happening here that's what's been happening here and and Sultan Asian kind of agrees a little bit too much

with some of the program stories and the white armies didn't you know they fought the pogromists if there were any in their midst they knew that it only served the Jews it only served the Bolsheviks and it served them specifically by two ways

making the Jews more cohesive and bringing more aid money from from the West remember the Red Army had a full paid staff that had a whole bureaucracy. From what?

There were a tiny group just a year or so, a couple of years ago. A tiny handful of people. Where is this money coming from? How are they able to get away with conscription? Of course, the hostage system. Get people to fight for them. Well, that was the punitive detachments, the commissar system. This is beyond the white.

It took the white's a long time to grasp what the hell was going on here. because normal people don't behave that way people still expect Jews to behave like normal people and they're not this is why this is going on and when Stalin came to power the Jews tried to pretend that Stalin was anti-Semitic

he was nothing of the kind he enforced anti-Semitic laws the laws passed by Lenin as violently as anybody else he said so in public but some of these people some of these revolutionaries were purged from the armed forces and from the state

because they weren't, they were revolutionaries. They weren't functionaries. He needed functionaries. But since the old Bolsheviks were all Jews, the West had really one of two options. Either admit that the Bolshevik revolution was Jewish or call Stalin anti-Semite. And that's what they went with.

Stalin surrounded himself with Jews. Jews prospered completely under the Stalinist system. and by now we're talking about like 1919 Lenin had long since decreed the laws against anti-semitism and it wasn't just violence it was any kind of name calling

and I have a few more papers to send you or get into this in great depth you know you're going to be sick of it by now but and there's so much more that needs to be done in and uncovering so much much of this. That seems to be the basic summary of what we've been doing here. And it's a shame that we, you have plenty of people in Russia talking like this all the time, all the time. It's pretty normal there, so long as it's on a scholarly level. But in the U.S., if you don't go to jail in the U.S.,

you simply get, you know, removed from society. In Western Europe, you get sent to jail. they've banned Sputnik and RT in Western Europe so it's depressing it's painful but the whites didn't know what they were up against

eventually the Reds outnumbered them to a huge degree and they had a the Reds had at a ideologically motivated people but they also had the hostage system

the Commissar system and it It got people fighting for them. It got people willing to do what they were told. Something, again, that the whites never heard of before. It was inconceivable to them. And it took a long time for them to realize what they were dealing with. The Cossacks knew.

That's the whole reason for the existence of the Cossacks. The whites didn't stand a chance, not without assistance from the outside. And you had an army of imperial officers working for the Reds and people are wondering why. and now we know why. Of course, fighting the communists, by definition, is going to be fighting the Jews. That's not a program. And yet, the way that we're talked to today, the way we're spoken to today, lecture to today,

that's exactly what a program is. I'll repeat myself again. Jews were armed. They were motivated. They were cohesive. And these so-called programs often were started by them. anytime there was any expression of Russian nationalism of any kind, they'd open fire. You had far more Russian deaths than Jewish deaths in these programs, going back from the late 19th century.

And that's the fact of the matter. And that's where we are right now in this book. All righty. We will pick up in a couple of days and start chapter 17, which is emigration between the two world wars. As I do, the end of every episode, go over to the show notes, go over to the description on the videos, and please donate to Dr. Johnson. But several people contact me over the past couple of days saying that they're doing just that. Stop being a freeloader and go take care of Dr. Johnson for all the great work he's doing here. And as always,

thank you, Dr. Johnson. You're welcome. Absolutely my pleasure. This has been great. I'll talk you soon. Take care. I want to welcome everyone back to our reading of 200 years together by Alexander Solzheniesin, episode 75. Dr. Johnson, how are you doing today? Well, I have some good news. We have a new addition to the family. A absolutely stunning, three-month-old Maine Coom, kitten. She is, you know, I, you know, I, you know, I, you know, I. I was always iffy about that breed because they look so different from every other domestic cat. But now I can't get enough of it. She is Susie Creamchease.

I hope at least a couple of your listeners know what that refers to. And absolutely, absolutely a stunning kitten. And now we're going through the adjustment period, you know, where they're hissing and they don't know what to do. But she doesn't give a damn. the house that we got her from was so there were so many cats and dogs there I mean it was it was healthy I mean it was there were all right

it wasn't like it was filthy or anything but there were so many cats and dogs there that this is like nothing with all the cats and two dogs we have six seven cats and two dogs that's nothing compared to this house uh also I saw the in the main coons the biggest naturally occurring

a domestic house cat. And I saw the biggest. His name was Maximus. He lives there. He was humongous. He was like a medium-sized dog, even a larger dog. He was sitting there. He hardly even looked at us.

And that's this kitten's grandfather. So I don't know what's going to happen. Her mother's pretty big. Size-wise, I'm not sure what to expect. But if her grandfather's anything to say about it, She's going to be huge. She has these huge mitts, paws. So, I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know what the way. She's going to be dominating the household pretty soon. One of her ears is bigger than her whole head. Yeah. Yeah, with the big tufts coming from them. She already has those. Yeah.

The tusks coming from her paws. It's such a distinctive breed. No other, no other breed of cat looks like them. They had the lion face. She already has. has it in kittenhood. So, you know,

we got the new house. And so a new addition makes sense. And, but I'm happy to say we're not as crazy as the other woman that we got her from. We look moderate compared to the woman we got her from. So we feel much better about herself. All right. My lord.

All right. starting a new chapter today. Chapter 17. Emigration between the two World Wars. Let's get at it. As a result of the October coup in the subsequent civil war, hundreds of thousands of Russians citizens emigrated abroad. Some retreated in battles, other simply fleeing. Among those emigrants were the entire surviving combat personnel of the white army and many Cossacks. They were joined by the old nobility who were so strikingly passive during, the fateful revolutionary years, although their wealth was precisely in land or estates. Many former landowners who failed to take their valuables with them, upon arrival to Europe, had to become taxi drivers or waiters. There were merchants, industrialists, financiers,

quite a few of whom had money safely deposited abroad, and ordinarily citizens too, of whom not all were well educated, but who could not bear to stay under Bolshevism. The immigration is a phrase that, you know, we who specialize in Russian orthodoxy, Russian history, we use it, the immigration. And they tend to be, I mean, the stereotype is that, you know, very right wing for obvious reasons. And this paragraph hits on it. Somehow silent, didn't do anything regardless of wealth or whatever they had. But partially that's because the nobility were all over the place politically. The old nobility supported the Reds.

They supported liberals. They supported the monarchy. Same thing goes for merchants, industrialists, and financiers. We're talking about Russian here, not Jews. But the immigration became essentially a government in exile that was consistently opposing the Soviet state from almost its creation until its fall

and when Constantinople eventually some in China someone to ultimately found its resting place in New York New York City Our Lady of the Sign

parish which I've been many many times that's why I decided I was going to be Orthodox thanks to these people. It's an extraordinary place. And there's no doubt that the KGB has tried to infiltrate it. I'm sure they have. Many decades ago. But the immigration, and then all of a sudden what these guys wouldn't do

over the last few decades, now they're defending the monarchy, they're defending Russia, they're doing all this. you know they weren't doing this during the war it's bizarre how they just simply refused to do anything then the minute they go into emigrate essentially exile they

they start writing and wonderful things I mean it's a you know but there have been of course the point of it is that non-Russians now understand it um Sarah from Rose me

you know we're we're with the latter part of we were affected by that immigration wasn't for our lady of the sign in manhattan i wouldn't i wouldn't have even uh touched upon this stuff um and i saw it from from you know these were these were true royalists there you know i have the uh the russian imperial union order uh used to be in new jersey i'm not sure where they are now um me a wonderful letter saying on one of the few Americans who understand Russia. If I said that before, well,

too bad. It's all connected. These were all, there was dozens of immigration groups. And so we're talking about non-Jews. These are all monarchists. You had all kinds of organizations founded. Why didn't they found these before? It drives me crazy. but don't think, you know, nobility all over the place. Many of the masons, the industrialist financiers, this is also why the West had to build their industry.

Russia up until 1914 wasn't industrialized. Look, the overwhelming majority of Germany was rural. Same thing goes for France. so that can't be the standard there was nothing you know the industry was growing very very fast in Russia

they had a much better factory legislation program but than elsewhere but so that's not a myth I wanted to get out of the way now

you know you can't land with you, although I have to say that the army itself had very few landed men, officers with landed wealth, very, very few, or the Oktoberist in the Duma, they are very few. These were men who came up the ranks through their own merits. And I say all this because these are all Bolshevik talking points then and now. But the point to remember is that the immigration, you know, usually use the capital E, the immigration was a constant thorn in the side of the Soviet Union because you know these people knew. They knew the system, they knew the language, they knew it had people in there. They were, you know, inside of Russia.

They were smuggling all kinds of things. when I was with the Ukrainian Ukrainians in Lincoln they had specialized these people unfortunately are all dead now in smuggling things and they were creating books you know the church fathers and stuff like that

that were fairly oddly small and I asked them and I said why are they so tiny and maybe they're like this so we could we could sneak them in easier you could put them in a pocket you can't have a normal book that could be taken.

This is something that's easier to hide. So that parish of St. George was specializing in sneaking in sneaking in this stuff, literature into Ukraine and parts of Russia. So there were a constant thorn in the side of the Soviet Union. Many emigrants were Russian Jews. Of more than two million immigrants from the Soviet republics in 1918 and 1920, more than 200,000 were Jews. Most of them crossed the Polish and Romanian borders and later emigrated to the USA, Canada, and the countries of South America and Western Europe. Many repatriated to Palestine. The newly formed independent Poland played an important role.

It had a large Jewish population of its own before the revolution and now part of those who left Poland during the war were returning there too. Poles estimate that after the Bolshek revolution, 200 to 300,000 Jews arrived in Poland from Russia. This figure could be explained not only by increased emigration, but also by the rearrangement of the Russian-Polish border. However, the majority of the Jews who left Russia in the first years after the revolution settled in Western Europe. For example, around 100,000 Russian Jews had gathered in Germany by the end of World War I. Yeah, the other center was Paris. New York City in Paris for the Russians, not for the Jews.

Paris had a reputation of being a bit more liberal and Masonic. It was the YMCA had financed some of their stuff there. I'm not saying they didn't publish some good things. They did. While the, these called the Karloffsi Synod, because they originally formed in Yugoslavia. And that ended up in New York City. and that became, of course, as many listeners know, the Russian Orthodox Church abroad

or the Russian Orthodox Church outside Russia who spread all of this stuff monochism and orthodoxy to Americans, to you know, to the rest of the world, you had a substantial number in China prior to their revolution and you had some in Australia too.

A handful in some of the Cossack ended up going to Central Asia. But these became centers of resistance. It's a shame that they didn't exist prior to, prior to this. While Paris was, from the beginning, the political center and unofficial capital of Russia in exile, the second, so to say, cultural capital of Russian immigration in Europe from the end of 1920 until the beginning of 1924 was Berlin.

There was also an intense cultural life in the 1920s in the Russian's quarter, Russian quarters of Prague, which became Russian exiles main university city. It was easier to settle in Berlin because of inflation. On the streets of Berlin, you could see former major industrialists and merchants, bankers and manufacturers, and many emigres had capital there. Compared to other emigrants from Russia, Jewish immigrants had fewer problems with integration into the diaspora life and felt more confident there. Jewish immigrants were more active than Russians and generally avoided

humiliating jobs. Mikhail Levitov, the commander of the Kornilov regiment, who had experienced all sorts of unskilled labor after immigration, told me, quote, who paid us decently in Paris? Jews. Russian multi-millionaires treated their own miserably. Yeah, that's, you know, it's unfortunate. That's the curse of the right. rich liberals are far more generous than rich right-wingers are. But remember, the entire church, God knows how much it's worth today, of Our Lady of the Sign in Manhattan, was donated by a family with the Ukrainian name. I can't think of it now, Kordlenko or something like that.

But going to Berlin, as I talk about frying pan to the fire, and pretty soon they're going to have to move. You know, so, and there's no shock that, now, the Ukrainians, that I, I lived among, I didn't live with them. I lived among them in Lincoln, who were already very elderly at that point. All of them did very well financially. It took a little while. I show up at St. George. I wanted to learn about all of this.

Their children had abandoned them. It was nothing but elderly people. And they would tell me this stuff. They would say, there are kids wanting to know, want to become rich Americans, you know, essentially liberals.

The old ways didn't have any interest in them. You guys were country bumpkins. Then I show up all these years later. This is an American coming from an upper middle class family who now wants to work with them and learn from them. That parish is the reason I'm doing this. today, a little tiny place in Lincoln, Nebraska. But all of them did very well, and they were constantly financing more people to come out during the Cold War.

And you had leading families and everything else. And they, you know, for example, they paid off the mortgage of St. George, I think, within just a few years upon being built. Maybe a decade, I should say. They all did very well, and I wouldn't be here without them. Both in Berlin and in Paris, the Jewish intelligentsia was prominent. Lawyers, book publishers, social and political activists, scholars, writers, and journalists. Many of them were deeply assimilated, while Russian emigrants from the capitals mostly had liberal opinions which facilitated mutual amity between the two groups, unlike the feeling between the Jews and Russian monarchist emigrants.

The influence of Russian Jews in the entire cultural atmosphere of Russian exile between the two World Wars was more than palpable. Here it is proper to mention a very interesting series of collections. Jews in the culture of Russian exile published in Israel in 1990s and still continuing. Some Jewish families with a comfortable income opened Russian artistic salons, clearly demonstrating Jewish attachment to an immersion in Russian culture. There was a famously generous house of the settlement. in Paris. Many others, Ivy Gessens in Berlin, I.I. Fomadaminsky, Bunakoff's, tireless in his exile,

tireless in his endless, selfless care for Russian culture abroad. Sophia Pregel, Sonia Delon, Alexander, and Solemei Galpern, were constantly engaged in the burdensome business of providing assistance for impoverished writers and artists. They helped many, and not just the famous, such as Boonin, Remazov, Balmant, Teffi, but also among young poets, but also unknown young poets and painters. However, this help did not extend to white and monarchist immigrants with whom there was mutual antagonism. Overall, among all the emigrants, Russian Jews proved themselves the most active in all

forms of cultural and social enterprise. This was so striking that it was reflected in Mihail Osorgans, article, Russian loneliness, printed in the Russian Zionist magazine at Oswet, reestablished abroad by Jabotinsky. You know, the Jewish immigration to Berlin, I think, had a tendency to stay there because you know what was going on at the time, and they were absolutely needed there. They may, you know, I've regretted that, but many of them also ended up going to the Middle East. you had most of these people

were on the left of the political spectrum almost all of them were so I don't know what Russian culture they're referring to here it means the language and none of these have Russian names you know but you had a strong Zionist

contingent coming out of there and they tended to be anti-Bolshevik to some extent or another now don't forget it was the Soviet Union that created Israel in the first place

They were the first to recognize it. They were the first to arm it out of Czechoslovakia. I have a paper on this explaining in depth. It was Stalin's people at the UN who forced the issue through for recognition and everything else. The kibbutzum had pictures of Stalin on the wall. But when you think of it from a Jewish point of view, let's say, 1995 or something like that, who's going to give you a better deal? A country that's still struggling to recover from World War II or the Americans.

But I say a lot of this because the Americans rebuilt the USSR, but then rebuilt it, not just the Americans, but the West. All the land-lease debt was canceled. You know, I always tell people that war, was made to make the world safe that the war was fought to make the world safe for Stalin back when there were a lot of World War II

that's around now there if there's any there's so old you can't even talk to them but I used to say you fought on the wrong side I got into so many fights about that I said you fought for Stalin don't you get that you know I said well my father was

my father was a combat Korean vet well the Korean war wouldn't have happened had you thought for the right side. So, you know, none of those wars would have occurred. But you had a lot of these institutions.

I know we'll get into it here in a little bit. Russians actually started building these. They tended to center around the church, though. The church was, the church is Russian culture. I think these guys just kind of mean the language, Jewish literature, you know, Jews in Russia. that's what they mean by Russian. Osorgian writes,

in Russia, there was not this Russian loneliness, neither in the social nor the revolutionary movement. I mean the depths and not just the surface. The most prominent figures who gave specific flavor to the whole movement were Slavic Russians. But after emigration, where there is a refined spirituality, where there is a deep interest in thought and art, where the caliber of man is higher,

there a Russian feels national loneliness. On the other hand, where there are more of his kin, he feels cultural solitude. I call this tragedy the Russian loneliness. I am not at all an anti-Semite, but I am primarily a Russian slav. My people, Russians, are much closer to me in spirit, in language and speech, in their specific national strengths and weaknesses. For me, it is precious to have them as my fellow thinkers and peers, or perhaps it is just more comfortable and pleasant.

Although I can respect the Jew, the Tatar, the Pole, in the multi-eastern. ethnic and not at all Russian Russia, and recognize each as possessing the same right to Russia our collective mother as I have, yet I myself belong to the Russian group, to that spiritually influential group which has shaped the Russian culture. But now, Russians abroad have faded and given up and surrendered the positions of power to another tribe's energy. Jews adapt easier, and good for them. I am not envious. I am happy for them. I am equally willing to step aside and grant them the honor of leadership in various social movements and enterprises abroad. But there is one area where this Jewish empowerment strikes me at the heart.

Charity. I do not know who has more money and diamonds, rich Jews or rich Russians, but I know for certain that all large charitable organizations in Paris and Berlin can help poor Russian immigrants only because they collect the money needed from generous jewelry. My experience of organizing suarez, concerts, meetings with all. authors has proven that appealing to rich Russians is a pointless and humiliating wasted time. Just to soften the tone of such an anti-Semitic article, I will add that, in my opinion, the nationally sensitive Jew can often mistake national sensitivity of a Slav for a specter of

anti-Semitism. What an ass. You know, they all have equal claim to Russia? No, they don't. You know, the Russian people are the ones who created this. The Orthodox people created this over centuries. You know, the left likes to quote the fact that the Russian Empire, the Russians were just barely a majority.

But they don't include Ukrainians. They don't include Belarusians or other Slavs. And when you add them, of course, it's far higher. But typical of an empire, it's not a nation. Typical of an empire, they're organized separately. I have their own organizations and their own republics and their own states. And also, I don't know why did he think this is anti-Semitic somehow? He just comes off as, this guy just comes off as, I don't know why he's even being quoted.

It just sounds like the typical liberal that you would experience today in America. oh, you know, America, as long as they're a citizen, that they have as much a right to this country as the people who founded it. Precisely. Osorgon's article was accompanied by the editorial, most likely written by the editor-in-chief Jabotinsky, based on the ideas expressed and with a similar style, to the effect that M.A. Osorgon has no reason to fear that the reader of Rosvett would find anti-Semitic tendencies in his article. There was once a generation that shuddered at the word Jew on

the lips of a non-Jew. One of the foreign leaders of that generation said, the best favor the major press can give us is to not mention us. He was listened to, and for a long time in progressive circles in Russia and Europe, the word Jew is regarded as unprinciple of sanity. Thank God that this time is over. We can assure a sorgon of our understanding and sympathy. However, we disagree with him on one point. He gives too much importance to the role of Jews and charity among refugees. First, this prominent role is natural. Unlike Russians, we were learning the art of living in diaspora for a long time, but there is a deeper explanation. We have received much more that is precious from the

Russian culture. We will use it even in our future independent national art. We Russian Jews are in debt to Russian culture. We have not come close to repaying that debt. Those of us that do what they can to help it survive during these hard times are doing what is right, and we hope will continue doing so. I tend to think that he is in the minority among Jews. He, so he is a Jew. He says, we Russian Jews, so I'm not sure what he's worried about. But Sultan Eaton is correct because the Russian and Ukrainian charity and bringing people over

and getting them jobs and everything else. By the time I got there, it was in 90s, so it was, the Cold War was over, although something worse occurred. You know, I saw it, you know, I met these people. I spoke to these people. They did do quite a bit of it. You know, I think, I think he may be right talking, you know, rich Russians is just impossible at a time where, you know, everything was, was on the line. You know, this is a time to be generous.

They're supposed to be orthodox people. This is a time to be generous when, you know. But keep in mind, we're talking about 20s vaguely. There still was a strong opinion that the Bolsheviks weren't going to last long. They had no idea how to run an economy. They had no idea they were starving. and they weren't starving but

you know their crop yields were nothing and regardless of all the aid that was coming from the West which is odd if you're you're a Bolshevik but what brought them through it

was American and German investment but I said before was that they had so many either killed in the war killing World War I or leaving the country that there was no

infrastructure to build industry so where did soviet industry come from it wasn't as Trotsky would say it wasn't willing to existence by by the sacredness of the proletariat no it came from the West

and I've said this before I know you're take a hearing it from me, but that's too bad. It's centrally significant here. And, you know, Jews were on, you know, were on both sides of that. Thank God for a sudden, you know, who chronicled it in such great, in such great detail over three volumes, at least three volumes. But that's what happened. When I, when I heard them say all these financial industrialists leaving, so then where does Soviet industry come from? Where did the workforce come from? And that is strong evident. I mean, Stalin even got to the point where he was worrying about Soviet independence because they were so dependent on Western sources of industry.

They want you to believe it's just sprung up out of nothing. It came from the Western world. That includes military things as well as any other, your basic heavy industry things. however let us return to the years immediately after the revolution political passions were still running high among russian emigrants and there was a desire to comprehend what had happened in russia newspapers magazines book publishers sprung up some rich men usually jews financed this new liberal and more left of center russian emigrant press there were many jews among journalists newspaper and magazine editors book publishers a detailed record of their contribution can be found in the book of Russian Jewry, now also in Jews in the culture of Russia in exile. Of significant historical value among these are the 22 volumes of I.V. Gessen's archive of the Russian Revolution, Gessen himself along with AI Kamenkov and V.D. Nabokov and G.A. Landau after the latter's death, published a prominent Berlin newspaper Rule, steering wheel,

a kind of emigrant version of Wretch speech, but unlike Milikov's brainchild, Joseph Gesson's position was consistently patriotic. Rule often published articles by G.A. Landau and I.O. 11, whom I have amply cited, and also articles by the famous literary critic U.I. Eichenwald. The political spectrum of Berlin papers range from Rule on the right to the socialist on the left. A. F. Kerensky published Days, which provided a platform for such personalities as A. M. Kulisher Junius, author of a number of sociological works and a Zionist from Jabotinsky's circles, S.M. Soloveketch, the famous former Soviet, the famous former socialist revolutionary O.C. Minor, he also wrote for the Prague-Volier and the former secretary of the constituent assembly, M.V. Vishniak. In 1921, U. O. Martoff and R. A. Abramovich

founded the socialist Herald in Berlin. It later moved to Paris and then New York. F. I. Dan, D. U. Dallin, P. A. A. Garvey, and G. Y. Ironson, worked on it among others. Yeah, I think that's a misprint. I don't think it's Gerald. I think we're right to say a herald. And then pretty soon they're going to be joined by the group that came over with Karenski.

And it's going to be these Russian Jews that eventually created the neocon movement. And I'm convinced that they used the word conservative deliberately. There's nothing conservative about them. You know, foreign intervention was

one thing during the Cold War. And sometimes, you know, they were useful. Anything that would do damage to that system was fine by me. But after 1991, everything changed. And they proved that their concern was anti-Russia, not anti-Soviet. They saw Stalin especially as a, as some kind of a Russian-Georgian nationalist, which is outrageous. He was at war with Russia as an ethnic group.

He said this over and over again. His policies, the Leningrad purge. You know, he was very clear about this. The constant, you know, Russia was being milked by all the outer republics constantly for money and for resources. Russians had no say in that kind of thing. So, but beyond that, yeah, this is not a good thing because you had now, what, 300,000 Jews overwhelmingly on the far left of the political spectrum, but not Bolsheviks, realizing that this is chaos over there now, I could make a lot of money in chaos, coming to the West, they had their people already there, was obviously very easy for them to, to plug back in, it really didn't matter. but on the other hand

there weren't a whole lot of Slavs at this point in the West they had to start from the ground up Jews didn't have that problem and they're so focused on cohesiveness and organization

Jews are that you know they just outplayed everybody You know, they often were anti-anti-communists. It was what they, one of my professors said years ago. So they were, they were, you know, I mean, Trotsky was identical in every way with Stalin in terms of policy, in terms of even how it was carried out. But only in the bitterness of his exile, was he challenging everything that was going wrong there. as if he would have done anything different if you were there.

Because frankly, some of the policies that he criticized, he actually came up with. There's no, I want to make it clear to everybody. Stalin, Lenin, Trotsky, there was no essential difference between any of those three. Ideology or policy. If anyone takes anything from this, take that from it, please. Jabotinsky, whose arrival in Berlin after three years in Jerusalem, coincided with first wave of emigration, reestablished Rosvette, first in Berlin and then in Paris, and also published his own novels. In addition, many Russian Jewish journalists lived in 1920 through 1923,

working in the local and international emigrant press. There we could find I.M. Trotsky from the defunct Rusco Slovo, Russian word, N.M. Volkovsky, P. I. Zvedich, who died at the hands of the Nazis during World War II. The men. S.O. Portuguese from the St. Petersburg den. He wrote under the pseudonym S. Ivanovich, the playwriter Ossip D. Mov Perlman, and the novelist V. Y. Eretzky. I love these names, Perlman. Go ahead. Berlin also became the capital of Russian book publishing. In 1922, all these Russian publishers, released more Russian books and publications than there were German books published in the

whole of Germany. Most of these publishers and booksellers were Jewish. Most notable were the publishing houses of IP Ladzidnevich owned since the war by B.N. Rubinstein, classical, modern, and popular scientific literature, or Z. I. Jebben, who had links to the Soviets, and so sold some of his works in the USSR, the publishing house Word established as early as 1919 and run by I.V. Gessen and A.I. Kaminka. Collections of Russian classics, emigrant writers and philosophers, valuable historical, and biographical works, and the artistically superb issue of Zarp Pizza run by A.E. Kogan. Also, there was edges of a. Zaski, Petrov. of Y. N. Bloch, Obelisk of A.S. Kagan, Helicon of A.G. Vishneok, and S. Zithians of I. Steinberg.

S. Dubnov's world history of the Jewish people was also published in Berlin in 10 German volumes, and during the 1930s in Russia in Riga. The experience of exile, their own, or at least on the Russians, PTSD. And there wasn't a single family in Russia, among the Russians that didn't have at least one son killed or maimed or something like that. They may have been more or less silent during the war and the lead up to it, but exile does something. It changes everything. There's a few books out on nationalism that make the argument that nationalism is at the height. when you have a group of people separated from the homeland.

And that's certainly the case where Russians really started imitating the cohesiveness of the Jews, which is a wonderful thing, precisely because they were outside of it, outside of the homeland, outside of the nation, outside of the empire. And this was a time of explosive political theory. I mean, it was endless. It's extraordinary, and only 5% has ever been translated into English. Riga and other cities in the once again independent Baltic countries with their substantial Jewish populations became major destinations of Jewish emigration. Moreover, the only common language that Latvians, Estonians, and Lithuanians shared was Russian.

And so the Riga newspaper, Segoonia, today, publishers, Y.A. Brahms, Y. and B.U. Poliak became highly influential. A large number of Russian Jewish journalists work there, the editor, M.I. Gantfman, and after his death, M.S. Milrud, Sagania Vekorum, today evening, was edited by B.I. Caroton. The latter two were arrested by the N.K. V. V. Ziz, an economist, and M.K. Eisenschott, under the pen names of first Zelisnov, then Argus, wrote for the newspaper. Gershon Svet wrote from Berlin. Andre Siddick, Y. M. Zvibach, was its Paris correspondent. Volkowski reported from Berlin, L.M. Neminov from Geneva. Yeah, that was painful. There were way too many names in there. I'm not sure I would have I would have gotten them all because they're not you know they're not Russian names they're like half German half Khazar Turk

um but um uh but of course Riga and and the rest of the Baltics is only going to be independent until 1940 when that's when Solon takes it over it's funny Hitler was was accused of of invading neutral countries and was condemned all over the place for it solon does the same thing In the Baltics, and no one says a word. I don't know. From the late 1920s, Berlin started to lose its position as a center of emigrant culture because of the economic instability and the rise of Nazism. Rule had to close in 1931.

Immigrants had dispersed from the main wave going to France, especially to Paris, which was already a major center of emigration. In Paris, the main emigrant, the main immigrant newspaper was Postlednai Novosti, breaking news, founded at the beginning of 1920 by the St. Petersburg barrister M.L. Goldstein. It was financed by M.S. Jalupin, and in a year, the newspaper was bought by P.N. Milikov. While it was in a precarious position, the paper was significantly financially supported by M.M. Venever. Milikov's right hand was A.A. Poliakov. editorials and political articles were written by Kulisher Junius, who was arrested in

1942 in France and died in a concentration camp. The international news section was run by M.U. Burkin Benedikidov, an acquaintance of Jabotinsky. The staff included the acerbic publicist S.L. Poliakov Levovsev, who had only learned to speak and write Russian at 15. Merkin Getsovich, who wrote as Boris Merski, the noted cadet, publicist Piotr Rice, and others. Post-Ledny Novosti published satirical articles of I.V. Dinio Shlowski and the popular science of U. Dulevsky, Y.A.L. U. Delevsky. The best humorous were V. Azov, V.A. Ashkenazi. Sasha Cherney, A. M. Glicksburg, the King of Humor, Don Amanado, which was Spolayansky.

I've never heard of them. Post-Ledny Novosti had the widest circulation of all immigrant newspapers. Shulgin called it the citadel of political Jewishness and philosemitic Russians. Satic regarded this opinion as an obvious example. The political tension around the paper also stemmed from the fact that immediately after the Civil War, it was dedicated to disclosure and sometimes outright condemnation of the volunteer army. Zedek noted that in Paris, there was not only a political divide, but also a national one. Miljokov's editorial team included many Russian Jewish journalists, while Jewish names

virtually never appeared on the pages of the right-wing Vosroldin Nehribe. birth, with the exception of I.M. Bikerman. Vos Rolnih was founded later than the other papers and ceased operation in 1927 when its benefactor Gukosov fired the main editor, P.V. Struv. You don't, you know, there's not a whole lot of them. And look at this. Look at this massive, this flurry of activity. You had a couple of million Russians leaving. Yes, and they did other things, we get to, you know, pretty soon. but you have 200,000 Jews or so

immediately plugging into their diaspora people in because they live in a diaspora. That's been their whole life moving from one place to another. They weren't kicked out in this case. They left voluntarily because they didn't think it was too chaotic for them.

And they simply weren't sure what was going to happen, even if the Soviets were going to fall soon, very possibly, chaotic. Berlin, Paris, New York seemed better targets for them. And most of these guys, you know, they spoke Russian and German with a heavy accent. They spoke Yiddish most of the time. All these are secular Jews.

And they were at the center of the socialist movement. movement, not, you know, the Bolshevik movement. You have plenty of Bolshevik sympathizers there, but also social, lestus of various types all over the place that then tried to bring that revolution to the rest of the world. So while the Russian immigration brought the church and royalism to the world, this Jewish immigration brought revolution. Do you want to stop here? Yeah, let's stop here. You've been suffering.

Yeah. I have a great sympathy for you. Yeah, these are, these words are, these names are ridiculous. It's just, I don't, if these, if any of these are good Russian names, I apologize. It's just, they don't seem like the Russian names that I grew up reading about. Yeah, they are not, they're overwhelmingly not Russian names. All right. So we'll pick this up in the next.

episode, as I do at the end of every episode, please go to the show notes and please go to the description in the videos and donate to Dr. Johnson's work. And yeah, let him know how much that you let him know how much you appreciate him doing this. And I was looking at the page number and we're over halfway there. We still have a ways to go, but progress is being made. I can't believe it. It's September, late September. We started in January it's now just a normal part of life but anyway I can't I can't thank you enough for it it's been it's been wonderful and there's no greater book than this one not I don't agree with everything the thing he says but a most of it oh the overwhelming majority

of it but it's the fact that he's quoting these people directly that's what he's doing here that's why it's so valuable this isn't his opinion, he's quoting them. And he gives a very, very bleak picture about the world under Jews, under Jewish rules. So, but I appreciate everything you've done. And for me, with all this, bringing me into this, I thank you. Thank you, Dr. Johnson. I appreciate you. I want to welcome everyone back to our reading of 200 years together by Alexander, Solz Soneson. This is episode 76. Dr. Johnson, how are you doing today? I have to give fair warning to everybody. This is very important. I have a purebred

Maine Coon kitten on my lap. She will be a part of the show. She will also be very distracting. Eventually, you're going to see her. She has these huge, I love this breed. They have these humongous ears and they're very demanding. Her name is Susie Cream Cheese. I hope some people recognize where that's from. I'll be very upset if no one does. So just fair warning. That breed is known for being very demanding of the people they own.

And so we picked her up in Ohio. So she will be a part of the show. And I guarantee you it's not going to be the last time. She's going to be a part of the show. Unless she conks out here. but but I don't know I don't know she doesn't look like it I think people are looking forward to her being a part of the show so um yes oh yeah there you should have seen her grandfather was I mean she's pure bread of course I've seen all the whole family her grandfather was a biggest feline and they're the largest naturally occurring house cat in the world and her grandfather was so humongous and he wasn't fat who's It was just huge. And her mother and father were there.

And there, she is going, her paws are so massive, you know, it won't be long before she dominates this household, starts intimidating the, intimidating the dogs. So I wanted to get that out of the way now. So if it happens, you know, you understand where it's coming from. It's not a shock to anybody's system. No problem. Like I said, we are all looking forward to it. So, all right, picking up where we left off last time.

The leading literary political magazine, contemporary notes, published in Paris from 1920 to 1940, was established and run by socialist revolutionaries, a long list of names I'm not going to pronounce. Cedek noted that out of its five editors, three were Jews. In 70 volumes of the Sovere Menier Sapisky, we see fiction. articles on various topics and the memoirs of a large number of Jewish authors. Illustrated Russia was published by the St. Petersburg journalist M. P. M. P. A. G. Gordon, earlier, the owner of Pryosovsky Krai. Its weekly supplement gave the readers 52 pieces of classic or contemporary emigrant literature each year. The literary emigrant world also included many prominent Russian writers such as Mark I.

Aldenov, Semyon Yeshkevich, and the already mentioned Jabotinsky and Yulie Eichenwald, M.O. Seltzlin Amari. However, the topic of Russian immigrant literature cannot be examined in any detail here due to its immenseness. Yeah, I couldn't get through it in three lifetimes. Of course, I concentrate mostly on the monarchists and people like that. But you had, the immigrant literature was, so all these people did. And as I said before, they spread the, you know, not these people, of course,

but they spread Russian orthodoxy and the Russian idea to people who had never heard of it before who know nothing about it. Most people know nothing about it even today. And all of these non-Russian converts, like Sarah from Rose, myself, we come from the,

this same movement. But he's talking here mostly about liberals and leftists who had their falling out with the Soviet Union for various reasons. There were a lot of reasons to dislike the USSR, even if you were Jewish. And that would only increase when Trotsky was kicked out or left. And then later, when he was axed, literally in his case. Here I would like to address the life of Ilya von Daminski, born in 1880, himself from a prosperous merchant family and married in his youth to the granddaughter of the millionaire T-trader, V.Y.

Bissotsky. He nonetheless joined the socialist revolutionaries and sacrificed a large part of his wealth and his wife's inheritance to the revolution by buying weaponry. He worked towards the outbreak of the all-Russian political strike in 1905, and during the uprisings he served in the headquarters of the S.Rs. He emigrated from Russia to Paris in 1906, where he became close to D. Maryschowski and Z. Gipius and developed an interest in Christianity.

He returned to St. Petersburg in April 1917. In the summer in 1917, he was a commissar of the Black Sea Fleet and later a delegate. What? What? What? He became a commissary?

Okay. Keep going. That came out of nowhere. All right. Let me read that again. In the summer of 1917, he was the commissar of the Black Sea Fleet and later a delegate in the constituent assembly fleeing after it was disbanded. From 1919, he lived in Paris, France, during the period under discussion, he devoted

much time and effort to Soie Wiennye Zabitsky, including a publication of a series of articles titled The Ways of Russia. He played an active role in emigrant culture, life, and provided all possible support to Russian writers and poets. For a while, he even managed to maintain a Russian theater in Paris. His passion, many-sidedness, energy, and selflessness were without parallel among emigrants. He estranged himself from the S.Rs and joined Christian Democrats. Along with a like-minded G.P. Fedatov and F.A. Steppen, he began to publish the Christian Democratic a new city. He grew ever closer to orthodoxy during these years. In June 1940, he fled Paris

from the advancing German forces, but came back and was arrested in 1941 and sent to camp camp near Paris. By some accounts, he converted to Christianity there. In 1942, he was deported to Auschwitz and killed. Well, you know, you had a lot of these kinds of exile does things to people. I know a little bit about it after my divorce. It wasn't like this, but it does strange things to people. You start appreciating what you had that you used to condemn. And now you realize, my God, I wish I had it again.

You had plenty of Jews that had given their loyalty to the provisional government that was socialist, that was completely secular. and when that was overthrown it was hard for them to join its enemies the Reds at least right away you had a lot of these guys then immigrating to Europe and America

and yes there were many Frank is my favorite Simeon Frank who did convert a philosopher who I've read many many times Stepun who I've read many times the problem with Paris though

is that a lot of the Russian intellectual work there was financed well you had two problems in Paris the Russian church there came under the patriarch of Constantinople which as Orthodox people know was always a big problem

by this point it was a very much a Masonic body far more liberal than anything else today it's an embarrassment it fully recognized the Bolsheviks

demanded that T-Con St. T-Con support the living church which was their fake early concept of a church the living church you know

a childish mockery of liturgy and things like that but and the other problem was the The YMCA meant a little bit more then than it does now, and they financed a huge number of publications. I still have my offices filled with publications. I have YMCA as a publisher.

Their Masonic foundation was more evident back then, too. So you had masonry from two sides, and I'm not saying there weren't some good people that were some patriots there. I'm not saying that at all. but that was one faction of the immigration. I've read wonderful things from there. However, the other group, the Karlovzi Synod, the traditionalist, who eventually went to Yugoslavia and then Britain, then ended up in New York City and became the Russian Orthodox Church outside Russia with their headquarters or their intellectual headquarters at Jordanville in. A bit upstate New York. I have many friends there, and my books are sold there.

It's a wonderful place, seminary. So those were the two factions. And I'm not including, of course, those who were, you know, socialist but could not handle how the Soviets were doing things. That's a whole separate group of people. And those who fled, you know, it's like St. John Maximumet's initially fled to China. to Nationalist China which if you were in that part of the world is easier to get to

some went through Turkey you know anyway anywhere you could as things fell apart for the for the white army so but they all eventually came together either in Paris or in New York City and for once in history New York City

represented the right wing of something and that was the the Russian Orthodox Church abroad or the R-C-O-R, Russia, outside Russia, an exile, whatever phrase you want to use.

The Parisians, and if you read out of literature, religious literature from this period, they'll make reference to the, especially later on in the 30s, and on, they'll make reference to the Parisians. And if you don't know this, you don't know what they're talking about.

But there was no Masonic influence in the traditionalist group that left very royalist, I had a military group. They had a monarchist foundation. They had a tough time. This is, by the way, the group that supported the Third Reich. I have endless papers on that.

They were, you know, out of Hitler had, seraphim laid was his orthodox bishop, who was from the Senate abroad. throughout the entire period of the war and who was not necessarily a national socialist but did appreciate what was being done especially in reference to the USSR. So this is just, you know,

I'm just scratching the surface of this kind of thing. But it's very easy to say, and I think it's correct to say, that Russian intellectual life exploded beyond anyone's predictions in the first 30, 40 years of the exile, it's still happening. Believe it or not, I'm actually a part of it now because I, you know, I converted to it. I would never have converted to it had this not happened. Very few people, remember, prior to, even prior to the Cold War, let alone this period of time, knew anything about Russia.

The only Russian language programs that existed in America prior to the 50s were at Harvard. I think there was one at, it was one at the Naval Academy. It was a handful, I can't remember, there's a handful of other places. That's about it. The immigrants were, or the exiles were writing history from very different. points of view. Sultanizan, of course, involuntarily joined them. Remember, this was during detente when they threw him out of the country and he

eventually won the Nobel Prize, but still shocks me because his views on this kind of stuff were well known. But if you've read the Gula Archipelago, if you've taken the time, you clearly see why. but the American establishment especially the literary establishment turned on him pretty quickly they liked the more liberal Masonic type of immigrant

that was their people like Joseph Brodsky that was their version of of Solzhenitsyn who had a lot of good things to say against the Soviet Union but certainly was nothing close to what Solzhenitsyn was

and I've read ridiculous amounts of academic articles on Solzhenitsen and you see Jewish authors, you know, vehemently attacking him. They didn't trust him, and the FBI didn't trust him. Somewhere in my files, I have the FBI report on, they follow these guys around, not just Solzhenitsyn.

You know, there was nothing, the U.S. had no problem with Marxism, assuming they even knew what it was. They had no problem with Bolivism ideologically. They certainly had a problem with Russian nationalism. And these guys were always placed under, to this day, I mean, even during COVID, the Senate abroad, Jordanville was placed under suspicion. There was FBI there. So, you know, the U.S. certainly wasn't anti-communists in that sense. There certainly were anti-Russian. And, of course, I don't know, since the war started, I think that's gotten worse. And I've kept my distance from it. but this was an incredibly this period of time incredibly fertile for Russian intellectual thought

and if you don't know at least a chunk of it or you have to specialize in a certain area there's so much of it but you know you don't know you can't know anything about Russia this is a big part of Russian history that was happening outside of Russia itself between 1920 and 1924, the most important forum for purely Jewish issues was the Paris Weekly Jewish Tribune, published in both French and Russian with a prominent participation of M.M. Viniver and S.B. Posner. It published articles by many of the aforementioned journalists from other newspapers. New Russian world was founded in 1910 in the United States and added its voice from across the ocean. Its publisher from 1920 was V.I. Schimkin and the main editor from

1922 was M. E. Weinbaum remembered, quote, the newspaper was often criticized and not without reason, but gradually it earned the reader's confidence. Its masthead now proudly boasts the oldest Russian newspaper in the world. It is even two years older than Pravda. All the others have died out at various times for various reasons. Right-wing or nationalist Russian newspapers appeared in Sofia, Prague, and even Suverin's New Times continued. in Belgrade as evening times, but they all either collapsed or withered away without leaving a lasting contribution. The publisher of the Rus and Sophia was killed. The Paris Voszini of YU Seminov did not shirk from anti-Semitic outbursts, but not from Struz, but not under Struve's short reign.

Well, I think many of your listeners are well aware of what Operation Kielhole was. And we're getting a bit ahead of ourselves here. But a lot of the Russian anti-communists who were still in places like Yugoslavia were sent back to the USSR. And I don't have to tell you what they, what happened to them. So the U.S. took Eisenhower specifically took a huge bite out of the right wing. It wasn't just, you know, Croats and Serbs and many others.

A lot of these guys were sent right back to the Gula, knowing full well what was going to happen when they got there. There's some excellent books on Keel Hall. And unfortunately, that's what happened to some of these newspapers. If they weren't smart enough to get out in time, the U.S. was, you know, by far the safest place to go. You did have some in Australia. You had some in Argentina.

You had some in, all through Latin America. Yeah, it was concentrated in a few places. But now the Ukrainian Orthodox Church was far even more supportive of the Third Reich than Russians were. It was tough. He invaded Russia, regardless of the justification and all that. You know, it still led to the death. It was very much harder to support. Ukrainians, on the other hand, were, as we all know, very welcoming of the Vermeacht, maybe not the SS, but the Vermacht, and they, and many of them were able to escape to the U.S. and create the Ukrainian autocephalist Orthodox Church, which at least for a time was all right. It wasn't, it's not what it is today.

That should be pointed out. There was, of course, a big Ukrainian exile as well. And the line between the two was, you know, vague. So it was after World War II, or even during the war, that a lot of these institutions and people ended up being wiped out. Those who left soon after the Bolshevik victory cannot even imagine the scale of inferno that broke out in Russia. It was impossible to believe in rumors.

Testimonyes from the white camp were mostly ignored. This changed when several Russian Democratic journalists, the constitutional Democrat cadet A.V. Tirokova Williams, the socialist E.D. Kushkova, exiled from the USSR in 1922, and the escaped SR SS Masloff began to inform the stunned immigrant public about rapid growth of grassroots anti-Semitism in so. at Russia. Quote,

Judeophobia is one of the most accurate features of modern Russia, perhaps even the most accurate. Judeophobia is everywhere, north, south, east, west. It has shared regardless of intellect, party membership, tribe, age, even some Jews share it. You know, I didn't read this ahead of time.

And I thought, and I think you might have too, inferno and rumors. I thought they were going to be talking about, you know, the slaughter of Christians and burning down eternal, all that stuff and the camps and everything else. No, no, no, no. Anti-Semitism. That's the inferno. And the scale of this inferno. Now, of course, it was wildly exaggerated, but it did have reason, did have reason to exist. And Sultanita wasn't shy when he was, you know, even in the Soviet, and then eventually he was kicked out.

And it's right in almost every work he did that you can't get away, you can't run away from the fact that the camp as a set of institutions was run by almost an exclusively Jewish board. The police forces. Now, this is where they were quite competent.

All those punitive organs, the ideological organs, there was a different thing. They didn't know anything about agriculture, but here they shine. They knew exactly what they were doing. And, you know, there's a thousand quotes of kind of ordinary people saying there's no getting away from the fact that Jewish names are everywhere. Jews coming back from any place in the West get jobs. It's like the head of agricultural production for no reason, you know, in Kazakhstan or something. who have, you know, just random people, that this is, they're desperate to get more Jews from all over the place. We all know that that's the real source of anti-Jewish feeling. I hate using anti-Semitism because they certainly weren't semites,

but we use it just because it's an easier word to use. But to be stunned at this. And it's very possible that, you know, a lot of stuff wasn't getting out. there were many attempts to penetrate Russian Orthodox Church outside of Russia in the various royalist groups because they were telling the truth. There was a pipeline.

They knew what was happening. But as we see here, if the whites were talking about it, well, no one believed them. But Democrats, meaning liberals or nations or socialists, they said something to know that it was immediately believed. these claims were at first met with suspicion by Jews who had emigrated earlier. What's the reason for this anti-Semitism? The Jewish Tribune initially rejected these claims. Generally, Russian Jewries suffered from Bolshevism, perhaps more than any other ethnic group in Russia.

As to the familiar identification of Jews and commissars, we all know that is the work of the Black hundreds. The old view that... The old view that anti-Semitism resides not in the people, but in czarism, began to transform into another, that the Russian people are themselves its carriers. Therefore, Bolsheviks should be credited for the suppression of popular Black Hundred attitudes in Russia. Others began to excuse even their capitulation at breast, at which Russia ceded large amounts of territory to the Kaiser's German military. The Jewish Tribune in 1924 dusted off even such an argument. quote, the Russian Revolution in 1917 when it reached Breastlatovsk prevented the much greater and more fateful betrayal plan by Tsarist Russia. Yeah, I don't know what they're talking about. Of course, there was no plan whatsoever.

It's World War I was such a, World War I really is the cause of all of this. it had no reason to exist still no real obvious cause but we know the real cause of it we know why it happened we know why two natural allies Germany and Russia their monarchs being cousins knew each other very well of course you know those are Zard Nicholas could speak every European language he was

you know we know why it happened in you know in reality but but the average person is is just a slaughter for nothing thing. As I've said before, no World War I, no revolution. They needed that level of displacement, that level of fear, that level of, you know, everything fell apart. Although I have to admit that the Tsars even had some economic growth during the first year and a half of the war, things were organized fairly well. But so this became the, this became the excuse the Black 100. Black 100 became, you know, it's like, remember Biden talked about

white supremacy. It's just a, it's a mystic slogan that covers everything. Lenin talked about it constantly, even though there was no such institution in Russia at all. Whatever there were, they were, they were, first of all, in Ukraine, and they immigrated, were part of the white armies, but Lenin justified, I mean, it wasn't like they were shy about this. Lennon justified the slaughter of churchmen because they were black hundred and they were anti-Semitic. And if they're anti-Semitic, that automatically means they were anti-Soviet. He says that so many times.

And that connection, it proves what we're talking about here. But the Breast Treaty really almost split the Bolshevik Party in two because Trotsky at least, I know this may have been more of an act but Lenin of course signed it. Trotky was iffy about it because it gave not only Russian land to Germany but to Russia's most industrialized sections to Germany. And if that didn't bring down the Bolshek government, then apparently nothing would. But that was the price he paid for getting out of World War I.

But this outrageous narcissism, that they've suffered more than any other group. And this is the argument. You just read it. They suffered more than any other group in the Soviet Union because they run the Soviet Union. They're the Commissars. They run everything. So even if they run something, they're still victims. I did my daily nationalist on Radio Albion yesterday on Netanyahu speech at the U.N. last Friday.

And it's one long, very bizarre, very angry screed claiming to be victims as they're torturing and destroying everything in their path and losing at the same time. and it just they're pathologically incapable of being able to see themselves at self-reflection unless it's done in the most distorted possible way the handful that are capable of it end up converting or being self-hating Jews as a nationalist might say how many there are but but they seem they demanded of everyone else

but absolutely are incapable of it. And to this day, well, even throughout the history of the Soviet Union, right up until Khrushchev, Jews are wondering, why did they hate us so much? Having no conception, why do the Arabs hate us so much, as Netanyahu would ask, having no clue as to why? and there's something about the Khazar mentality that just can't and it's pathological that can't do this I'm telling you

Willis Cardo used to say the Jews don't see the world as we do and he means at a fundamental level or I walked into his office one day and he holds up a picture of Josh and Pollock one of his crazy nonsense paintings and he says you know

I think only a Jew can come up with this and call it art. This is the distorted view of the world that Khazar being related to the Khazars create. It's just we're not

dealing with from the beginning of this series here. We've learned that the Jews aren't normal people. And certainly not when they reach a certain amount of influence or numbers or wealth in a country and you can't treat them like they're normal people

and still wondering why there was anti-Semitism in the USSR or why the Arabs hate the Israelis. It's still no clue. They're coming up with the craziest theories. There's something, I don't think that they're I don't think that they're deliberately being outrageous. I think they really don't know.

Have you ever noticed that one of the Zionist arguments against the Palestinians is that when they go to another country, when they have en masse gone to like Jordan or Egypt, they become subverses and revolutionaries? Yeah, that's why they don't, yeah, I've heard that argument mentioned, yeah. I mean, talk about, you know, they're crying out in pain as they strike. you, not being able to recognize that, I don't know, maybe these are your people. Yeah. Because there's another group that wherever, whatever country they go to, they become subversive and revolutionaries. Yeah, I, I, I, there's a lot of psychology that needs to be brought to bear here.

And the defense mechanisms, obviously the refusal to see themselves critically, that's a certain defense mechanism. It's neurotic. I mean, Woody Allen be the first person to say we're a neurotic group of people. Who could be more neurotic than him? But, you know, defense mechanisms are a manifestation of neuroticism. And projection, the inability to see the flaw or the vice or the evil in oneself means that they end up projecting it on to others. And that's exactly what they're doing.

I don't care where they go. And it's not just individual. but it's parties and governments that are capable of doing this. The ruling class in America project all of its own problems onto Russia and China. Precisely what's going on, their failures, precisely in detail they impose on other countries. That can't be a coincidence. And I've got into this in great detail. So, yeah, this doesn't explain the entire thing, but there is a psychological element here.

The Jews created that field, and it very much at the time, especially, dominated by Jews. It was a power center of theirs, and we haven't gotten to it yet, but eventually the discipline of psychiatry and psychology will be used to support the USSR as a police matter in that country. and I have a very lengthy paper on which I should probably send you we'll get to it eventually on how psychiatry was used to criminalize dissent and I think it's very interesting

but you had plenty of psychologists in the West who realized that including Jews like Bloom you know so there is a psychological angle here but it's just so you know narcissism yeah that's a part of it But no, this neuroticism is very specific, and I see projection all the time.

Since they can't look at themselves, they have no choice but to project. Yet the information was gradually confirmed. Moreover, anti-Jewish sentiments spread over a large segment of Russian emigration. The Union for Russian Salvation, dedicated to the crown Prince Nikolai Nikolaevich, produced leaflets for distribution in the USSR in a manner like this. Quote, to the Red Army, the Jews. have ruled Great Russia for seven years. To Russian workers, you were assured that you would be the masters of the country, that it will be the dictatorship of the proletariat. Where is it then?

Where is it then? Who is in power in all the cities of the republic? Of course, these leaflets did not reach to USSR, but they scared and offended Jewish emigrants. Well, some did. I've read in some great detail about how some of these things were snuck in. They did have a pipeline in certain areas. You did have the underground church in the USSR that function really throughout his history, the Russian true Orthodox church who had its own hierarchy and everything, who functioned underground. There's been many books. Vladimir Moss has been very good about that. I haven't written on them, but he has. And now since, of course, the fall of Marxism, they've come to the surface, and there's a whole bunch of them. And now they're, you know,

they bicker but um so there was a pipeline and everything that they said here just in this small set of slogans are absolutely right everything that lennon promised of course and he knew this at the time this was never about labor it wasn't about the workers the Marxists never met a worker before got it was created by Marx and Engels Engels was a factory owner who took advantage of the women in his factory he was like a you know he was like a you know he was like a a stereotype. It never had to do with it. The proletariat was an abstract category.

We've talked about this already several times. But in no other country on the planet, I think, what was labor more exploited than during the Stalinist Soviet Union and even a bit afterwards. S. Latovsev wrote, in the beginning of 1920, is anti-Semitism among immigrants became almost an illness, a sort of delirium tremence. But it was a broader attitude, as many in Europe during the first years after the Bolshevik victory rejected and damned the Jews so that the identification of Bolshevism when Judaism became a widespread part of European thought.

It is ridiculous to assert that it is only anti-Semites preach this social political heresy. But could it be that the conclusions of Dr. Pasmanic were some of the, somehow premature. Yet this is what he wrote in 1922. Quote, in the civil, in the whole civilized world, among all nations and social classes and political parties, it is the established opinion now that Jews played the crucial role in the appearance and in all manifestations of Bolshevism. Personal experience tells that this is the opinion not only of downright anti-Semites, but also that representatives of the Democratic public reference these claims,

i.e. to the role of Jews not only in Russian Bolshevism, but also in Hungary, Germany, and everywhere else it has happened. At the same time, the downright anti-Semites care little for truth. For them, all Bolsheviks are Jews, and all Jews are Bolsheviks. Well, I think, you know, it's a terrible choice of words, but downright anti-Semites, I think he's talking about the less educated who think in very simple terms. You know, they're always a problem. You know, they quote a couple of memorized slogans from the Talmud, and if they come up against a Jew who knows it, they're going to get destroyed because they have no follow-up. They don't know. But referring to both, you know, yes, it was a Jewish movement. It was massively, they were massively overrepresented there. It wasn't exclusively so. But damn, it were a huge far more than their percentage in the population, far more. In Hungary, again, it was almost exclusive. in Germany in the Bavarian Republic

again it was almost exclusive this is no coincidence so if you're a professor in American University and you can't come across this you won't ever come across this argument if you use Google or the established textbooks

they really don't know so when they hear it it's like you know it's like being oh my God the earth is really flat really or something like that, you know, being found something, you know, they don't know what to do. They're very soft intellectually. And so they react, you know, with extreme reactions, temper tantrums, whatever.

This is why they needed laws. They need laws now in the EU to keep any of this from coming out. That's why everything is censored. Your typical academic or journalists, they lead a very, you know, sanitized and censored life. these inconvenient facts are never brought to their attention and if they are it's always in the form of the downright entity semi the caricature of the idiot you know who just calls names

terrible names and slurs and everything else that's what they think and then they come across well someone like me or you it's a very different story they don't know what to do and um and when you are you know I've always said that I you know to promote myself a little bit. I was specifically dangerous because I knew their arguments inside and out.

I went all through grad school. I know them very well. Yet they don't know us at all. They probably never heard our point of view being competently made public, in an articulate way. It's quite possible that this book, 200 years together, might guarantee you that most the Jews, the literate Jews in the world have read this. And it created a huge stir. And then just all they did was demand more laws, more prisons, longer prison terms.

The rabbis would, you know, desecrate their own synagogue so they could, you know, and claim that there was an anti-Semitic group in the country that did it. You know, again, it ends up with pure neuroticism. But you're a plenty of Jews. And we have one here who, you know, eventually they have to come to admit it. But still, in the EU, you can't talk about it. Russia, you can talk about it all the time. In America, you can talk about it, but not in academia, as I know way too well. Beekerman wrote a year later, quote,

waves of Judeophobia now roll over nations and peoples with no end in sight, not just in Bavaria or Hungary, not only in the nation's formed from the ruins of the once great Russia, but also in countries separated from Russia by continents and oceans and untouched by the turmoil, Japanese academics came to Germany to get acquainted with anti-Semitic literature. There is interest in us even on distant islands where almost no Jews live. It is precisely Judeophobia, the fear of the Jew destroyer. Russia's miserable fate serves as to material evidence to frighten and enrage. In the collective declaration to the Jews of the world, the authors warn, never have so many clouds gathered

above the Jewish people. Should we conclude that these authors exaggerated, that they were too sensitive, that they imagined the non-existent threat? Yet doesn't the above-mentioned warning about anti-Semitic literature in Germany sound very scary, in retrospect, from our historical perspective? Yeah, I, you know, we know what he's talking about. Um, you know, that's the, the central point in, in modern Jewish history, but this is just more of the same. Now, I've never heard of Japanese academics coming to Germany for this.

Um, you know, they've resisted, you know, um, allowing migrants in. It's very homogenous as a South Korea. Um, they've resisted that. I have the feeling they know who's behind it. In, in Chinese, Chinese journals in English of course they talk about it sometimes you know get away with it it's not a big deal

but they know it there but if you go back to my well we actually talked about on your show on Mexico in the Scheinbaum case that that family

the Communist Party of Cuba and Mexico was created by Jews this tiny little group of Jews It was a handful, yet they still created the Communist Party that eventually took over Cuba and tried to take over Mexico and elsewhere. And the concept of the due destroyer, well, that's accurate. And it's idiotic for someone to say to you, well, they're not all that way. I hate, how stupid you have to be to say that?

No, we're not talking about individuals, talking about a group of people, their collective force. not talking about the guy down the street here but they're destroyers because they know no order they've rejected logos without Christianity of course they would have nothing to destroy and their rejection of logos it's a rejection of Christ

the second person of the Trinity who is logos the botanic forms essentially all brought to one location the very contours of creation were found in him. Creation was through him.

Therefore, they could have paintings like Jackson Pollock and see the world in a very, very different way. This is why the Kabbalah is based around the Ensoff. You get to know the Kabbalah a little bit. The Ensoff isn't God. It's the void. Sorry, not the void. It's the flux.

It's a nothing that only a certain, you know, the rabbis, the great leaders can, can, pose their will on and create something out of it. That's the view with the world that, and many Gentiles don't know anything about this. And it's very difficult to put yourself in that position. And I guess nominalism came out of this a little bit. So it's just, and I think the Japanese did realize. In Indonesia, for example, and I did a paper on,

Suharto back in college one of my favorite Asian leaders the Communist Party of Indonesia which almost took over and it would have been a complete disaster for the world being the fourth largest country in the world at least today was run

up by Indonesians these were Dutchmen overwhelmingly Jewish and so that's where the Japanese got the idea that maybe we have to study these people We have to find out who the hell they are. And they did business there. And, of course, the Chinese knew them very well through the opium wars. You know, free trade essentially meant forcing opium on the Chinese people.

Well, who was running that? It was the Sassoon family who ran the British East India Company that was growing the stuff out of India, the British colonies of India, and forcing it on the Chinese population. Who had, by the way, destroyed their effects of opium in China for a while. And that pissed them off, where our profits are going away. So this was called free trade, by the way, forced on them. And the Sassoon family, of course, was Jewish, related to their off child. So even if only indirectly, Asian peoples also realize that the Jew just,

destroyer is something very real, and we have to learn about it. Every once in a while, you'll hear an Asian leader say something about the Jews or Hitler that gets him into some trouble, and they don't care. But like the other great Asian leader, General Park Chong He, of South Korea, had, you know, Hitler is one of his models when he rebuilt South Korea from a third world country to a first world country in five years. Hitler and Napoleon were his two big models. So he's absolutely right to bring this stuff up.

The Jews are absolutely right to bring this stuff up. But they just don't know, they just don't realize that, yeah, it's because you're a destroyer that this is happening. The opinion that Jews created Bolshevism was already so widespread in Europe. This was the, quote, average opinion of French and English Philistines, end quote, Pesmanic notes, that it was supported even by Pekinoff's son-in-law and George Bato, who claims in his book that Jews are inherently revolutionaries. Quote, as Judaism preaches an ideal of social justice on earth, it has to be, it has to support

revolution. Pasmanic cites Bato, quote, over the centuries, Jews have always been against the established order. This does not mean that Jews carried out all the revolutions or that they were always the soul or even main instigators. They help the revolutions and participate in them. one can responsibly claim, as many Russian patriots often from very progressive circles do, that Russia now agonizes under the power of Jewish dictatorship and Jewish terror.

Impartial analysis of the worldwide situation shows the rebirth of anti-Semitism, not so much against Jews as individuals, as against the manifestations of the Jewish spirit. Wow, I just said that. I didn't even read ahead. All right. The Englishman, Hilaire Belloc, similarly wrote about the Jewish character of Bolshevik Revolution, or simply the Jewish Revolution in Russia. Pasmannic adds that anyone who has lived in England recently knows that Belloc's opinion is not marginal. The books of both authors, Bataan Belloc, are enormously popular with the public. Journalists all over the world argue that all the destructive ideas of the past hundred years are spread by Jews through precisely Judaism. And this is something, even Churchill wrote about it, but then something happened.

Yes, this was a widespread argument. It didn't affect Jewish prosperity, though. It just made them more cohesive. But something happened. We both know what that thing was, World War II, and what came out of World War II. And it was the results of World War II that caused almost every problem we have today. That all of a sudden this mentality was banned and destroyed and mocked.

And the Holocaust and all that, this was destroyed in just a few years. This caricature of Hitler that was painted and, you know, by the Western press and everything else, all of a sudden this went away. and within a few years, a few decades, it became illegal to even talk about. And yet, just a few years before, it was a perfectly normal opinion. It's better than Catholic circles, Orthodox exiles,

you're more, you know, like Anglican, conservative Anglicans and Lutherans. It was normal stuff. Of course, this is true. This isn't debatable. This is something that, you know, that's what they are. They are inherently against order

because their entire world is against Christ. That's where they cut their teeth. Without Christians, I'm not sure what they'd be doing. Without us, they'd be killing each other. And Jews really, when they start fighting each other, I'm telling you, I've seen this myself, they can't stop. And so these are liberals talking like this at the time.

And we have, you know, you've seen all the thousands of quotes against, against the Jews and people you don't expect. Emmanuel Kant of all people. You know, the ultimate enlightenment, sort of, oh, the ultimate Enlightenment philosopher would actually put it to bed, but talks about them. You do business with them, but no one likes them because everyone knew what they were. It took the trauma of World War II to change that. And maybe, just maybe, the situation in Gaza is now the reversal of this, I hope. One last paragraph, and then it looks like we have a natural break. All righty.

We must defend ourselves, Pasmatic rights, because we cannot deny obvious facts. We cannot just declare that the Jewish people are not to blame for the acts of this or that individual Jew. Our goal is not only an argument with anti-Semites, but also a struggle with Bolshevism, not only to parry blows, but to inflict them on those proclaiming the kingdom of Ham. To fight against Ham is the duty of Japheth and Shem, and of Hellen, Hellenes, and Hebrews. Where should we look for the real roots of Bolshevism? Bolshevism is primarily an anti-cultural force. It is both a Russian and a global problem, and not the machinations of the notoriety.

elders of Zion. Yeah, well, you know my opinion on that latter. The elders of Zion is so idiotic. You know, as I always say, the Jews are more, they're not upset really by what it says, but the claim that their elders, their ultimate intellectuals, would write like that.

You know, that's what they get mad about, would write in such crude terms and that's sometimes used to beat us over the head with like those of us who were against evolution have the flat earth nonsense beaten over our heads you know this is this is the rhetoric that they like to use and no one needed

you could people say that for example well we know it wasn't really from that organization but a lot of stuff in there is, you know, it turned out to be true. But we didn't need that document. That was being talked about already. Everyone knew about that, certainly in Russia. And, you know, I read about how this guy writes, and there was a day that intellectual people, educated people would know what phrases like to fight against Ham, the duty of Japith and Shem in Hellington Hebrews. today, university professors,

generally don't know what that means. But that was an education way back then. That was what it meant to be educated, to be talked like then. But there was another war that was needed to break what was left. That was a Vietnam war in America. Again, without wars, you don't have revolution.

The left took over the U.S. in great extent due to the Vietnam War they need that kind of dislocation, that kind of confusion and chaos and that's where the Jew really thrives and but I'm sick and tired of this they're not all like that I'm sick of it it doesn't make sense we're not talking about every single individual

we're talking about them as a spirit as an entity as a group We're not talking about them as a whole bunch of, you know, whatever it is, 16 million individuals. But that's your typical American normie boomer type of reply to anything against the Jews. They really can't, they can't debate it. They probably know it's true. But, well, they're not all like that. You know, my dentist is such a nice guy.

And I say, you have to say, you're a grown man. and I have to explain the difference between an individual and a group to you. A phrase I've used many times, and it doesn't make me a lot of friends, but that's where we are. But that's also part of the Jewish destructive spirit to have this. E. Michael Jones is one of his most famous books, is a Jewish revolutionary spirit, which I recommend to anyone who hasn't already read it. He's not even a historian, and yet he gets it right every time. So this was kind of normal discourse back then.

And it took World War II to break this entirely. That trauma broke it entirely. The Holocaust and all that stuff. The Soviet propaganda, they needed all of that to break this trend and eventually make it illegal. All right. We'll pick up next time exactly where we left off. As I do at the end of every episode, please go over to the show notes and go to the description of the videos. There are links there to where you can support Dr. Johnson's work.

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little Susie Cream Cheese and somehow a bird got into the upstairs through the bathroom window that doesn't have a screen and the cats went into action the two senior cats got it pinned in the bathroom not quite sure what to do with it after that they flapped its wings they let go it went on the windowsill and I just pushed it out

And I'm pretty sure it was fine. I look back and Susie Creamcheese is taking the whole thing in. You know, she's like being taught how to do this stuff. She's killer in training. And but so, so when a mouse comes in, I pity any mouse that comes into this house. We've had, I think, 10 so far, not recently. But the bird, that's a one in a million, one and a million shot. just like the Dobson fly.

So that was the excitement just about an hour ago. Awesome. Awesome. It's going to be great watching her grow up. Yep. All right, picking up where we left off last time. The Jews acutely realized the need to defend themselves, in part because the post-war Europe and America were flooded with protocols of the elders of Zion, suddenly in

virtually instantly. There were five editions in England in 1920. Several editions in both Germany and France, half a million copies in America were printed by Henry Ford. The unheard-of success of the protocols, which were translated into several languages, showed how much the Bolshevik revolution was believed to be Jewish. English researcher Norman Cohn wrote, In the years immediately after World War I, when the protocols entered mainstream and thundered the world, many otherwise entirely sensible people took them completely seriously. The London Times and morning post of that time vouched for their authenticity, although by August 21, by August 1921, the Times published a series of articles from his Istanbul correspondent

Philip Greaves, who sensationally demonstrated the extensive borrowing of the text and the protocols from Maurice Jolie's anti-Napoleon-the-third pamphlets, the dialogue in hell between Machiavelli and Montesquieu, 1864. At that time, the French police managed to confiscate every single copy of the infamous pamphlet. The protocols came to the west from a Russian overtaken by the Civil War. A journalistic fraud produced in the early 20th century in 1901, the protocols were first published in 1903 in St. Petersburg. The mastermind behind them is thought to be P. I. Rachowski, Rokovsky, the 1884 to 1902, head of the foreign intelligence unit of the police department. Their production is attributed to Matvei Golanvinsky, a secret agent from

1992 and son of V.A. Golivinsky, who was a member of Petrovsky Circle. The latter was a Russian literary discussion group of progressive-minded commenter intellectuals in St. Petersburg, or recognized by Mikhail Petrachevsky, a follower of the French utopian socialist Charles Foyer. Among the members were writers, teachers, students, minor government officials, army officers, while differing in political opinions, most of them were opponents of the Tsarist autocracy and the Russian serfdom. Among those connected to the circle were Dostoevsky. Stale new theories about the origin of the protocols appear all the time. Although the protocols were published and republished in 1905, 1901, they had little success in pre-revolutionary

Russia. They did not find broad support in Russian society. The court did not give support to distribution either. After many failed attempts, the protocols were presented to Nicholas I second in 2006, and he was very impressed. His notes on the margins of the book included, what a foresight, what precise execution. It is definitely them who orchestrated the revolutionary events of 1905. There There can be no doubt about their authenticity. Authenticity. But when the right-wing activists suggested using the protocols for the defense of the monarchy, Prime Minister P.A. Stilipan ordered a secret investigation into their origins.

It showed they were a definite fabrication. The monarch was shocked by Stoleepin's report, but wrote firmly, remove the protocols from circulation. You cannot defend the noble cause with dirty means. And since then, Russian rulers dismissal of the protocols of the elders of Zion, came into force, no reference to the protocols was allowed, even during the Bayliss trial. All right. Well, most of the listeners know my opinion of this, and it's not really much of one. I actually went through the writings of those who were around major Jewish figures at the time,

the Zionist Congress of 1902, Isaac 117. Schumann, M.A. Ginsburg, Abraham Mapu, Alfred Doblin, Honest Seegers, I don't know, Joseph Roth. They were the main ones, and their writings are not secret. None of them sound like the protocols, not even close to it. The first one, of course, was first scientist Congress was Theodore Hurtzell, Jacques Bahar, and people like that, Samuel Pinellas. And it's just, like I've said many times, if I'm a Jew and someone says, this is how my elite intellect's right, I'm going to be offended, not what's in it,

but by that statement alone, it's awfully written. I am familiar with Jewish political writing at that period, and it has no connection whatsoever to what's written in the protocols. The first and second Zionist Congress, frankly, they didn't agree on a whole lot, but really is a telltale giveaway, is the fact that it really doesn't bring up the major issues that the Jews were talking about. at the time. It doesn't use any ancient Greek authorities because the author didn't know them. It didn't bring up, you know, really their own authorities. It didn't bring up, you know, their future plans, except in the most crude possible way. And, you know, it's simply, it can't be, you know, it's, you know, it's,

their writings at the time, regardless of what they really meant, were quite sophisticated. The learned elders, they certainly existed, and I mentioned a few of them, and their writing is excellent. The person who wrote these didn't really know much about Judaism, except from maybe a purely political point of view. But the truth is, of course, in general, what they were. saying was true. But I didn't need protocols for that. No one needed the protocols for that. Russia had plenty of writers. Just asking included.

That was saying the same kind of things. Evola wrote on it quite a bit. This is kind of the flat earth of the era. It's used to hit us over the head with like a cudgel. People who oppose the theory of evolution. shouldn't get the flat earth thing that comes out of nowhere. I have a paper that I haven't published. It's called the McLevin of historical fakes, you know, the fake ID he had.

You know, but they're also right. Maurice Jolie, the Dialogues in Hell, which was an attack on Napoleon III. It's an imaginary discussion between Montesquieu and Machiavelli. and Monsecue, of course, represents justice, et cetera. And it's pretty obvious. The plagiarism is pretty blatant. But there, it's meant to be crude. You know, Jewish writing, especially at that level, the Zionist Congresses,

you know, they had a specific, even though they didn't agree on much, they had very specific, you know, issues involved. And none of it, none of it seems. to come up in the in the in the protocols all these capital letters whole sentences in capital no one you know one of the ways i could spot a historical fraud pretty easily just by the fact that people don't condemn themselves as evil in their own writings um it's it's it's loaded with these you know contradictions make-believe formality vague language insults bad history non-existent economics, high school level rhetoric.

Any truth it contains is purely coincidental. If anyone claimed that I wrote something and produced a paper at that level, I'd be outraged. You know, this is supposed to be the intellectual elite of Jewish life talking like this. And it's not as common as it used to be, but In debates about the Jews, the protocols comes up, but only from them, whether I'm talking about a leftist or someone else, they say, hey, you probably believe in that. I say, I do not. Yes, some of the things that they point at are generally true, but I'm not sure why that got so much promotion since there were so many very competent writers saying the exact same thing about the Jews, including Jews, in a much more sophisticated way. so no one needed that and it's a little embarrassing

I mean you know Nicholas was right you know yeah that's true that's true yeah of course there's some truth in it you know to some extent this was part of the part of the agenda but the elites at the Zionist congresses didn't agree on a whole height of a lot so this was this was a this was a bit of an embarrassment and I know some people don't like that don't like me talking like that that's too bad I'm independent for a reason

and you know it's never to defend them that sort of mentality is always there don't get me wrong that sort of mentality is always there

but not in their elite writings and I think we've mentioned some of this before but you know like you know You know, still even, you know, you can't, as I think we said, you know, you can't defend a noble cause by dirty means.

So Russia's, Russia generally dismissed it. It's a bit of a, you know, it's a shame. But if I was to create something like this, it would be, you know, I at least I would know how to do it. You know, the fact that they don't bring up any of their own sages, Elcaro, anyone like that. but but more than anything else you know there's it's not real all the fake quotes that you see from like Lenin fake quotes from Hitler from from Stalin

you know you go there's a whole page on fake quotes there's actually a book out on fake quote and they're really easy to spot because every one of them almost every one of them is self-condeming we're going to slaughter this one we're going to murder that one we're going to you know it's like a like a bad action movie villain and that's exactly how what the protocols puts out and after a while i got sick and tired of people beating me over the head with it as a way that you probably believe in this nonsense kind of like

you know we're debating evolution and they bring up the the flat earth you know um it's very similar kind And, you know, they don't fight fair. They love this kind of thing. You're not going to learn much from it. However, finding the actual elders of Zion at the time, I mentioned a few of them, and finding their works, well, that's different. See what they had to say. I mentioned a few works about the Jewish political future, written roughly around that time. I can think of them off the top of my head now.

and I said, well, yeah, I have them listed here. No one mentions that in the protocol. And, you know, other things like that. You know, it just, it wasn't written, certainly wasn't written by Jews. It was written by some sort of knew a little bit about Jews, but didn't like them. Had a good reason not like them, but really didn't know how to write like them. and ever since then it's been a problem I'm just surprised it had the currency it did

that it got that this is this is what the elite elders this is how they wrote are you kidding me their writings aren't secret you know the stuff that they wrote at the time is available at least for most of them as far as I know and they didn't write like that Now, again, I'm not saying that that sort of thing isn't in the back of their minds. Maybe it is.

That's a different story. But in terms of, you know, and writing it down, you know, yeah, they do think like that many times. It's in the back of their minds. But they certainly not going to write it down for a long time that Talmud wasn't written down. Or when it was written down, they use, you know, code words and symbols and things like that if it fell into the wrong hands. So I could go on and on and on about it. It's just, I think it's a little bit of an embarrassment. But I will say, again, that sort of crude thinking does exist.

It does exist in the mind of many Jews. Now, they're not going to call themselves evil, but they certainly will realize that they're taking over and they've done things that might be evil, but you know it's for jews so it doesn't matter um when i read when i first read them it was i was shocked i said people bought this um so again the jewish sages at the time who were at these conferences their writings are out there you could compare them anyway that's that's my that's my opinion um and uh you had so many other great writers in russia and

Western Europe, talking about the Jews, no one needed the protocols to learn about what they were actually planning and what they thought of themselves and what they were going to do. However, 1918 changed everything for the protocols. After the Bolshevik seized power, after the murder of the royal family and the beginning of the civil war, the popularity of the protocols surged. They were printed and reprinted by the Oswash, white army counterintelligence agency in the south of Russia in Novo-Sherkosk, Karkov, Rostovandan, Omsk, Khabarovsk, Vladivostok, and were widely circulated among both the volunteer army and the population, and later Russian

immigrants, especially in Sofia and Belgrade. You know, I could see it used as almost like a primer for people who, you know, couldn't read the, who don't have the, who couldn't read the level of scholarship of, of, of the actual learned elders who knew Plato and Aristotle, they knew Maimonides, they knew Cairo. It's difficult reading. This could be used, you know, this is kind of a summary of it in crude terms. I could see it being used as that.

Because in essence, that for the most part is true. I mean, the economics, it is terrible. Some of it doesn't make sense. and it's one thing that and it's odd that you know who are they talking to the learned elders are talking to each other or a conference they know they know this stuff already and they certainly don't need anyone lecturing them about economics and taking over various industries so

but I maybe they had a limited use as you know if this is your this is your first, you know, you could grasp it and absorb it quickly. Oh, wait a minute. Okay, maybe it's not real, but do they really think like this? And then you start reading more and you get to our stuff. You say, oh, my God, really, they do. I could see it as a sort of a primer for people just getting started.

Because so often these people, they wrote in a way that, you know, your college freshman would struggle with. So maybe that's the use that it had. and I think the white army had that in mind. But as any kind of work of scholarship or something you could, you know, anything more than that, no. After the Bolshevik victory, the selling of protocols was banned in Russia and became a criminal offense. But in Europe, the protocols brought in by the white emigration played an ominous role in the development of right-wing ideology, especially national socialism in Germany. Oh, boy.

Exposure of the protocols is forgery and general denial of identity between Bolsheviks and Jews constituted a major share of liberal emigrant journalism of the 1920s and 1930s. We see several prominent Russians. There are Milikov, Radicev, Berziv, and Kartashev. A.V. Kartashev, historian of religion, Orthodox theologian and at the same time, a public figure, wrote about the unacceptability of anti-Semitism for a Christian and the pre-revolution. collection shield, which I have often cited. In 1922, in emigration, he wrote the foreword to Wyal Dilewski's book on the

protocols. In 1937, Burtsev, too, asked him to write a forward for his book. Kartashev wrote in it, A man with common sense, goodwill, and a little scientific discipline cannot even discuss the authenticity of this police and journalistic forgery, though certainly a talented forgery able to infect the ignorant. It's unfair to continue supporting this obvious deceit after it has been so unambiguously exposed, yet it is equally unfair to do the opposite, to exploit the easy victory over the protocol's authenticity to dismiss legitimate concerns. A half-truth is a lie. The whole truth is that the Jewish question is posed before the world

is one of the tragic questions of history, and it cannot be resolved either by savage pogroms or by libel and lies, but only by honest and open efforts of all mankind. Pogroms and slander make a sensible and honest raising of the question more difficult, degrading it to outright stupidity and absurdity. They confuse the Jews themselves, who constantly emphasize their oppressed innocence and expect from everybody else nothing but sympathy and some sort of obligatory Judeophilia. Kartashev certainly regarded debunking of this sensational apocrypha as a moral duty,

but also thought that in washing out the dust of protocols from the eyes of the ignorant, it is unacceptable to impair their vision anew by pretending that this obliterates the Jewish question itself. You see what I mean? Throughout the 20th century, you had modernist theologian in the Orthodox world. who equated our understanding of bolivism as, you know, mostly Jewish, to the acceptance of the protocols. That's why this is damaging. It's why people will say, you know, your rejection of evolution and Darwin means you accept the flat earth. Now, I've heard that straight out on social media said to me, it's just a weapon.

Of course, they realize it doesn't, they don't go together. but for people who aren't quite as intellectually honest as we try to be the protocols just allowed them to say okay see the protocols are nonsense therefore therefore their whole agenda is nonsense and and Jews are not involved

or at least only partially involved with bolivism and everything they say is in the whites are wrong and and this has allowed liberals especially you know moderate liberals that type to avoid and sidestep to question of the Jewish domination of Bolshevism. We all know not just the Jewish domination of Bolshevism, but the revolutionary movement in general,

including its opponents on the left. And we talked about it in 1905, 1906. We talked about it even in Dostoevsky's time. Dostoevsky talks about it in detail in his diary of a writer in the 19th century, late 19th century. So, you know, the protocols is a weapon that our enemies tend to use.

Now, I don't know what Cartashev really is, is refers to, I've read him before a long time ago, but I guess by legitimate issues, I don't know what he means. I don't recall precisely where he stood on that issue, but you have a lot of phylo-Semitism, because, you know, you can't be a major,

you get major works published in a major publisher, unless you're phylo-Semitic. in America. And so you have these authors very piously. Now, I've responded to some

of this stuff over the years with long letters that I know get attacked and all that. And of course, you know,

they bring up the protocols and their response. They always do. Now, the last one I did was mostly about race. But you know what? It came up anyway.

So this was just a a way, almost like a salve, it's like a cough drop for them to soothe their bad conscience. Yes, you know, Jews everywhere in this movement. Oh, wait, look, these people believe the protocols. So, okay, all right, all right, let's calm down now. We know it's not true. And they could, they could keep going.

It was almost a way to deal with their cognitive dissonance, which most modernist Orthodox have 24 hours a day. And that's something I wouldn't wish on anybody. Indeed, the Jewish question cannot be removed by either books or articles. Consider the new reality faced in the 1920s by Jews in the Baltic countries in Poland. In Baltics, although Jews managed to maintain for a while their influential position in trade and industry, they felt social pressure. A good half of Russian Jew re-lived in the newly independent states. New states trumpet their nationalism all the louder, the less secure they feel. These Jews feel themselves besieged by a hostile, energetic, and restless popular environment.

One day it is demanded that there be no more Jews percentage-wise in the institutions of higher learning than in the Army, the next, the air of everyday life becomes so tense and stressful that Jews can no longer breathe. In the self-determined nations, the war against Jews is waged by the society itself, by students, military, political parties, and ordinary people. I. Bikerman concluded that in leading the charge for self-determination, Jews were preparing the ground for their own repression by virtue of higher dependence on the alien society. The situation of Jews in Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania is literally tragic. Yesterday's oppressed or today's oppressors. What is more extremely uncouth oppressors, entirely unashamed

to their lack of culture. This is one of the reasons during the Russian Civil War that the Western powers intervened, at least in the northern part, after the war was over. Now, before the war was over, it was different. But after, so 1919, early 1919, part of their agenda was to defend these new republics, which, you know, economically, same thing occurred in the 90s. were almost immediately colonized by Germany and Sweden

Estonia especially and they are because they're so small they're very dependent now Jews of course were we're not oppressed by anybody but I think

you know when you have any kind of nationalism there's nothing wrong with Lithuanian nationalism nothing whatsoever you find a lot of it in Belarus. That's not the point. And there is this weird, you know, rivalry between Belarus and Lithuania for that. They take up a lot of the same, a lot of the same space. But it can't be based on this. You know, my problems with Albanians, and Muslim Albanians anyway, in the

Kosovo issue, I'm pretty sure I'm not allowed to fly there. I heard that from somebody. I'm a list. I can never go there. Anyway, but it's very similar. These tiny little countries are used as ways to hurt the larger one. And the same thing happened in 1991. In 1992, had nothing to do with the Jews. The Jews, of course, dominated these societies in terms of finance. But any kind of ethnic nationalism, even at that small scale, they will notice that they do have a rival far more nationalists than themselves, and they may have to do something about it. Now, given the fact that they were under very close Western control, I don't know how much was

done about it, because the West was not going to permit anything to be done to their social betters. But that was just a way, self-determination, nonsense. These countries, even Ukraine, you know, I'm finishing up, by the way, I should note my book on the Ukrainian War, the Russo-Ukrainian War of 2022, I'm finishing up. It's going to be out soon, and it's very difficult to see how an independent Ukraine would actually function. As large as it is, it is still going to be dependent on somebody. it's going to have all the Cossacks

all the movements opposed to Russia in the past they all had to go to somebody the polls sometimes the Turks Mazepa went to

the Swedes I did my lecture on Skodipatsky who we've mentioned before on my Orthodox Nationalist show they condemned him

because he was supported by the German army in 1918 well I said so what you know the other contenders for the power were dependent on either the Soviet Union or the

entente. But that's how it is for countries like this. You know, so that was really the big issue. This was, and as far as the Jews were concerned, they continued to dominate finance and everything else. But it's always a balancing act.

You know, how much nationalism do you really want to promote? because nationalism usually means very strong families it means low crime it means you know comes from a place of social trust and you start you know you begin having you start looking at your opponent now Jews need the opposite the Jews need total chaos to thrive

and you know this is a reason why they they pump pornography into the West Bank and they still do it E. Michael Jones, back in 2001, led off his speech at our Barns Review Conference by mentioning that. What do you think they're bringing them freedom? No, we know what they're doing, but we know what they're doing that. So this is a complicated issue, and it's going to be irrelevant pretty soon because in 1940, Stalin will reabsorb them. So it transpired that the breakup of Russia also meant the breakup of Russian Jewry as the historical paradoxically, the history paradoxically, the history, paradoxically showed that the Jews were better off in the United Russian Empire despite all the oppression.

All the oppression. Yeah, all of it. So now in these splintered border countries, Jews became the faithful guardians of the Russian language, Russian culture, impatiently waiting for the restoration of the Great Russia. Schools that still teach in Russian became filled with Jewish children, to the exclusion of learning the languages of the newly formed states. In these tiny countries, the Russian Jew accustomed to life in the open swaths of the great empire feels uncomfortable, squeezed, and diminished in his social status despite all the civil rights and autonomy. Indeed, our people's fate is bound up with the fate of the great Russia. All right. This, I got to say something here.

Now, this isn't from Solzhenitsyn. This is a quote. You know, his quotes are long, and sometimes you forget that it's a quote. as far as I'm I think it's still I Beekerman Ivan Bekerman the Jews

given their survival strategies we all know wherever they are they're going to find the minority that they could use against the majority

culture wherever they go in Kazakhstan the handful of Jews there created the Uzbek political movement

When I read that, I could, you know, wherever they go, it's the same thing here. They didn't give a damn about Russian culture or anything else, but Russians were a fairly small minority. I shouldn't say fairly small. That's not true. But they were a minority in these places. So, as I said, so as, you know, these forms of nationalism, Lithuanian, Estonian, so they don't get too, too, strong and fight Jewish interests

they now are suddenly going to be very interested in the Russian language. They didn't give a damn about Russian culture because Russian culture is orthodoxy. It was just a contrarian aspect of this and in promoting the conflict

between the Russians who were left behind and Native Estonians you know they could take advantage of that. So don't think, you know, this is, no one actually believes this nonsense, except for this guy. Faithful guardian of the Russian language, Russian cult, is utter nonsense. Unless you're saying it sarcastically.

It just so happens that Russians were a minority here. I mean, look how quickly Jews suddenly supported Ukrainian nationalism. Of all things. Of all things. One of the most anti-Jewish nationalisms of all. They're right up there with the Palestinians. in the Cossacks here, you know, this is the Cossack territory. They're willing to do it to serve their interests of fighting a much larger power that they despise.

And on a smaller level, it's the case here. So don't take this too seriously. Anyone who believes that, to this extent, is an idiot. But yes, it's true technically, but not for the reasons he thinks. Still, the position of Jewry in the circles of international post-war politics was strong, especially in Paris, in particular regarding Zionism. Quote, in July 1922, the League of Nations recognized the World Zionist organization as the Jewish agency, which first and foremost represented the interests of Zionists, and secondly of non-Zionists,

and also provided support to the European Jews. Beekerman accused the Zionists of seeing a fragmented Russia as an ideal. This is why the organization of Russian Zionists called itself not Russian, but Russo-Ukrainian. This is why the Zionists and related Jewish groups so assiduously fraternized with the Ukrainian separatists. No, no, nothing changes. It's really amazing. I think I just said that, but relative to today. You know, that Jewish money goes into the Azov Battalion.

Well, we know the real reason. I mean, some of their leadership is trained in Israel, and I've written on that before. But when I first heard that, when this all started, I couldn't believe. Really? You know, they have no principles except for power. They're willing to do it for. I mean, they've all been destroyed quite a while ago, but they're willing to do it. The Zionist-related Jewish groups fraternized with Ukrainian separatists.

Of course they did. And in Russia, of course, they will join with anyone else who wants to split the country up. Of course, we know logically Jews, even from their point, if we were better off in United Russia. But in their fantasy land, these pogroms, everything else, made it impossible for them to function. in their upper middle class lives crying about how awful it was while the typical Russian peasant while doing fairly well

couldn't dream of that kind of a life maybe didn't want that kind of a life and certainly in Ukraine where the peasant commune was not nearly as strong as it was in the rest of Russia so it's this section this few paragraphs here this goes far in explaining

the Jewish mentality I don't even think Bikerman realizes it realizes what he's admitting here. Plus, I love the fact that the League of Nations said that the Zionist agency represents Jews, whether there's Zionists or not. I find that very funny. But, of course, settlement. You still had some settlement in Palestine here at this point. We're in 1922, 23.

It's going to take another World War, though, to create a war. to create Israel, and it will be the Soviets, who were the first to fashion it and recognize it at the UN. After the Civil War, Soviet Russia sent it into a heavy silence. From this point on for decades to follow, all independent voices were squashed, and only the official line could be heard. And the less was heard from Russia, the latter was the voice of emigration. All of them from anarchists to monarchists looked back in pain.

and argued intensely who and to what extent was to blame for what had happened. Okay, I got to stop him here. I think he means intellectually, although the Smezdat was just getting started. Now, while peasant uprisings were at their peak around this time, they're going to continue, straight up to the German invasion. They never stopped, and they were everywhere. you had people starving all over the place because of this ridiculous policy, collectivization, which Lennon began in Stalin completed. Their old ways of farming were destroyed.

They had to become engineers. See, Lennon's idea was that the world should become one large factory. That's the final zenith of the Enlightenment. That's the final gnosis of what the Enlightenment was all about, a mechanism. So that means it isn't so much that they give a damn pet the peasants, but they don't need as many of them once they realize that these things can be eventually automated and that we're going to bring the factory, factory systems, factory methods into farming. You see that in the U.S. today.

Anything concerning GMO is right in that line. you know, people who know nothing about farming are controlling, you know, GMO crops because they know something about chemistry and they know something about genetics. So, yeah, intellectually, only the official line could be heard after 1923 or so. So many had been killed.

But peasant uprisings physically never stopped until, until 1941. Discussion developed within emigrant Jewry as well.

In 1923, Beekerman noted, quote, Jews answer everything with a familiar gesture and familiar words. We know, we're to blame.

Whenever we, whenever something goes wrong, you'll look for a Jew and find one. 90% of what is written in the contemporary Jewish press about Jews and Russia is just a paraphrase

of this stereotype. And because it's impossible, that we're always to blame for everything, Jews take from this the flattering and at first glance quite convenient conclusion that we're always in everywhere in the right. But I don't know. I don't even know what he's saying here. They don't say that about themselves. And certainly not at the time.

However, consider before the revolution, the Jewish society passionately argued that a revolution would save the Jews and we still ardently adhere to this position. When the Jewish organizations gather resources in the West to aid their co-ethnic suffering in the USSR, they denounce, belittle, and slander everything about pre-revolutionary Russia, including the most positive and constructive things. See, the Bolshevik Russia has now become the promised land, egalitarian and socialist. Many Jews who emigrated from Russia settled in the United States, and pro-Bulshevik attitudes spread quickly among them.

the general Jewish mood was that Bolshevism was better than the restoration of monarchy. It was widely believed that the fall of Bolshevism in Russia would inevitably engender a new wave of bloody Jewish pogroms and mass extermination. And it is on this basis that Bolshevism is preferred as the lesser evil. You know, he's acting like there's this huge separation between jury and Bolshevism. And there's not. It's true, you had many leftist groups similar to the Bolsheviks, but still in opposition to them. Some of them stayed and just made their peace. Some of them did go into exile.

The anarchists really couldn't make their peace with this. And coming to America, they were the founders of every, you know, Jews, this mass immigration of all of these leftists, of whatever type, completely altered American society. the Jewish mafia, especially in the 30s, well, the 20s during Prohibition, and in the 30s, in the 30s, you know, they created later on, they created Las Vegas. You know, the communist movement at its inception was very Jewish. You had other Gentile socialists before in 19th century, but, you know, they became very influential. Unfortunately, the white movement in settling in the U.S. was not nearly as influential. Religiously, maybe, but that's about it. Many Jews immigrating from Russia, the U.S., but the Jews overwhelmingly, and this was even more of the case after World War II,

but at this point, there was a mentality, not quite literally, but that, the Soviet Union was the promised land if you weren't a Zionist I always thought that you know Israel this little tiny country is always in trouble you know I think right now it's they tried to make Eastern Ukraine the promised land

that didn't work Crimea is not going to happen it's New York it's at least the eastern part of the United States right now that's what's that's you know that's far more power there than you have in his little country in Israel

So, you know, and of course they do denounce belittle and slander everything about pre-revolutionary Russia, refusing to see or to consider all the things and how they were actually treated by the monarchy. We've been through in this show for months now going through it, you know, at nauseam about how well they were treated, the money that was spent on them. they needed to create this fantasy land of these pogroms for no reason which were you know completely in the imagination much of the time that was their their starting point and that created a school of thought that exists in the academy today the Frankfurt School was a part of this train of thought They were Jews.

You know, the neocons coming from Trotky, a different story, but still the end result is the same. And this notion, fall of Bolshevism would lead to bloody Jewish programs. Yeah, I, you know what? It's kind of hard to say no to that. That would happen. You know, but it would simply be in retaliation for what the Jews and the Jews. the checka had been doing up until that point and that's why you had all sort of regardless of where they were on the spectrum uh off all types of spectrums but the ideological one too

they're all in the left to okay we need to back the ussr or else we're in serious trouble we push so far that we'll get another kimonietzki if we uh if we lose i think we end it right there we're going to start getting into the NEP and yes very different story okay we're about 45 minutes in so I'll lend this as I always do go to the show notes and donate to Dr. Johnson go to the description of the videos and donate to Dr. Johnson keep him flush keep him unemployed so that he can he can continue to educate us on this this book in this subject that as a friend of mine, as a good friend of the show has said, was just laid out there waiting to be picked up and studied by somebody.

And finally, it's happening in a way that not only can people now understand what's in the book, but even understand the history and the culture and the people who are part of this history. The most important part is always the people. Yeah, and that's sort of what my job is, and that's why this is working so well and why I'm having such a good time. Yeah, yeah, this is great. Thank you, Dr. Johnson. So I'll see in a couple days. All right, my friend, bye-bye. I want to welcome everyone back to our reading of Alexander Solzhenitson's 200 years together. This is episode 78. Dr. Johnson, how are you doing? today? We are now in the time of year where I don't complain nearly as much about the

weather. This is this small window where I think the weather is wonderful. Like mid-October to late, or even through December, this is where I seem to thrive weather-wise. Not a whole lot of other people like it, but this is the one time I actually enjoy it. Otherwise, I'm complaining. There are bugs everywhere, you know. They put the air conditioners away and stuff like that. So this is the one time, the one small window where I actually can feel good about what's going on outside. Let me see what it is today here.

It's 80 degrees right now. All right. All right. Well, it's not 80 degrees here. I don't know what it is. It's in the high 60s, maybe. Waiting for it to get there. Waiting for it to get there.

All right. Picking up where we left off last time. Then, as if to confirm the Bolsheviks are changing for the better, that they can learn, the NEP came. They've loosened their suffocating grip on the economy, and that made them all the more acceptable. Quote, first, NEP, then some concessions. Hopefully, it'll all work out. for us? Well, briefly, I think many of our readers know what the NEP is, new economic program.

It was the permission because the country was starving. The party wasn't, but the rest of the country was. It was a time of limited, especially in agriculture, market exchange, and it actually worked. Now, in the countryside, the peasants started doing well, which was a huge problem when Stalin came in. But then, of course, it just meant the – they used to call them Netmen in English. That, you know, the Jews then took over in the cities in terms of this limited permission to trade. Now, that in and of itself had nothing to do. with it. But the point was, so, okay, let's not starve these people, at least for now.

And now that the war is over, you know, you had, you know, war communism and then, and then this NEP. And don't, but don't get, get the impression that he shut down the gulags or, or, you know, he wasn't executing people. He was doing that every day. But, and whether he knew, of course, he knew it would benefit the Jews more than anybody else, but at least in the countryside, more specifically, they were able to sell their products and a slight degree of class distinctions. There's always going to be class distinctions

in terms of income in the countryside developed, and Kulaks developed, which weren't exactly wealthy men whatsoever. They were just the most productive of the peasants. This is just before collectivization, although the roots of collectivization had been laid down. They did not have private property. But remember, the Soviet government didn't have, even though the war was over, Soviet government didn't have full control. There was always uprisings.

It was always problems. And worldwide, it was unclear whether or not the Bolshe was going to stay in power. The NEP was a way to ensure they were going to stay in power. Oh, they're not so bad after all. See, look what they're doing. They're a normal country now. So that's what the NEP was. We cannot call the entire Jewish emigration pro-Bulshevik, yet they did not see the

Bolshevik state as their main enemy, and many still sympathized with it. Yet a noteworthy incident mockingly described in Izvistaya happened to Goryonsky, a Jewish emigrant writer. In 1928, the already famous Babel, and already well known for his links to the Cheka, was temporarily residing in Paris to muster creative inspiration. While in the Café Rotunda, he noticed his old acquaintance, probably from Odessa, who magnanimously offered his hand to him. Greetings Goryonsky, but Goryonsky stood up and contemptuously turned away from the offered

hand. Well, what, does that story have an end? It's like it's a cut off in the middle. I don't know what it's supposed to mean. Let's do the next sentence and see if we don't. No, it doesn't go anywhere. But I suppose it means the Isaac Babel, I think his name was Isaac, that you did have, you did have divisions.

I mean, Jews knew what was happening. Maybe a lot of people didn't, but Jews knew what was happening in the USSR, and it was making them look bad. NEP or no, the Cheka was still in operation. And if this man was truly a part of the Cheka, the Babel was, going to, going abroad and saying hello to Jews that were not a part of the system, I don't want to have anything to do with you. I'm pretty sure that's the point here. whether or not because he was a tyrant or that it just made Jews look bad. It's probably just because it made the Jews look bad. And actually, that's going to be the theme of the next few paragraphs, I think.

The rise of Hitlerism in Germany naturally and for a long time reinforced the preference for Bolshevism in the social mind of European Jewry. The first international Jewish Congress took place in Vienna in August 1933. M. Vishniak disapprovingly suggested that the collective attitude towards the Bolshevik regime was perfectly exemplified by the opinion of N. Goldman. If all sorts of freedom-loving governments and organizations flatter and even fawn before the Bolsheviks, why shouldn't supporters of Jewish and ethnic cultural independence follow the same path? Only Moscow's open support for anti-Jewish violence in Palestine, slightly cooled the Congress leader's disposition toward the

Soviet state. Even then, they only protested the banning of Hebrew and the banning of emigration from the USSR to Palestine. And finally, they objected to the continuing suffering of Zionist and political prisons and concentration camps. Here, N. Goldman found both the necessary words and inspiration. In 1939, on the eve of World War II, S. Ivanovich noted, it cannot be denied that among emigrant Russian Jews, the mood was to rely on the perseverance of the Soviet dictatorship, if only to prevent pogroms. You understand the mentality that goes into that sentence, right? The Soviet dictatorship, which was sending the Goyim to prison in huge numbers, that was, you know, destroying the church.

That's okay. that's okay because the black hundreds then can't function and can't attack us I mean it's really it's a sociopathic statement now as far as Zionism is concerned that's always going to be a big problem it's going to be a big problem right up to the end of the USSR the main language of Russian Jews is Yiddish and there was Yiddish in Germany the various accents

and variations, and that's what the Soviets always promoted. They always saw, including the Jews, saw Hebrew as reactionary. And these Jews had no connection with that language anyway. It was going to die. And then when the Zionistate was created, although with the assistance of the USSR, they had to make Hebrew its official language and then force it on people. Otherwise, it was going to die entirely. So Jews speaking Hebrew

That's a different story They don't fit in You have to speak Yiddish And Zionism still had this nationalist flavor to it That could turn them away from the USSR And of course me and you have spoken about Jackson-Vannic Amendment decades later And what Jewish immigration meant for

Out-immigration meant for the Soviets and even for the Warsaw Pact. So, but still, that last paragraph, that last sentence is that it encapsulates a lot of what we've been talking about here. Yeah, let's rely on the mass murdering Soviet dictatorship, which has Jews doing, you know, a huge part of it, so that these pogroms, which, you know, were not what they think they were, won't happen. So the Christians can't organize, so the Goyam can't organize.

What of Jewish Bolsheviks? I Beekerman. Prowess doesn't taint. That is our attitude to Bolsheviks who were raised among us and to their satanic evil. Or the modern version, Jews have the right to have their own Bolsheviks. I've heard this declaration a thousand times at a meeting of Jewish immigrants in Berlin, one after the other, a respected cadet, a Democrat, a Zionist ascended the podium, and each proclaimed this right of Jews to have their own Bolsheviks, their right to monstrosity.

Here are the consequences of these words. Jewish opinion across the world turned away from Russia and accepted the Bolsheviks. When a famous, old, and well-respected Jewish public figure, a white crow, suggested to a high Jewish dignitary in one of the European capitals organizing a protest against the execution of Orthodox priests in Russia. The latter, after reflecting on the idea, said that it would mean struggling against Bolshevism, which he considers an impossible thing to do because the collapse of the Bolshevik regime would lead to anti-Jewish pogroms. Yeah, they just repeated the same concept. More sensitive Jews may not have liked the idea of these people just being slaughtered because Jews are doing the slaughtering, but we can't protest against it, and we will not protest against it.

slaughtering the citizens of the last Roman Empire is always a great thing as far as they're concerned. Now, I'm not sure what they mean by their own Bolsheviks. They mean in exile or in the USSR. But I think it's been pretty clear, up until now, almost unnecessary to even say that Jewish opinion was never with Russia and, of course, accepted the Bolsheviks. Many of them would have accepted the Mensovics, too, because the Bolsheviks were far harder on the so-called black hundreds and were massively Jewish. They stuck with them no matter what cost it would be.

The only time you'd have a problem is when it became clear Jewish names were all over. The punitive organs, these torturers and everything else, the world had never seen up into this point, had never seen up into this point. Jewish name after Jewish name after Jewish name, they started to get antsy. Not because these people were being killed, because they were starting to look bad. But if they can live with Bolsheviks, what do they think of the white movement? When Joseph Beekerman spoke in Berlin in November 1922 at the fifth anniversary of the founding of the white army, Jewish society in general was offended and took this as a slight against them. Meanwhile, Dr. D.S. Pasmannock, who fought on the German front until February 1917, then in the White Army until 1919, when he left Russia, had already finished, and in 1923, published in Paris his book Russian Revolution and Jewry, Bolshevism and Judaism, I cited it here, where he passionately argued against the commonplace explanation that Bolshevism originated from the Jewish religion.

Quote, the identification of Judaism with Bolshevism is a grave global danger. In 1923, together with I.M. Beekerman, G.A. Landau, I.11, D. O. Linsky, also an ex-member of the White Army, and V.C. Mandel, Pasmannock founded the National Union of Russian Jews Abroad. This group published an appeal to the Jews of the world. In the same year, and soon after published a collection, Russia and the Jews in Berlin. Here is how they described the task they undertook in their feelings. Pasmannock said, The unspeakable pain of the Jew and the unending sorrow of the Russian citizen motivated this work. Because of the dark events of the recent years,

it was difficult to find a balanced point of view on both Russian and Jewish questions. We attempted to merge the interests of the renewed Russia and of the afflicted Russian jury. Linsky. unfathomed sorrow dwells in the souls of those who realized their Jewishness while similarly identifying as Russians. It is much easier when one of the two streams of your national consciousness dries up, leaving you only a Jew or only a Russian, thus simplifying your position towards Russia's tragic experience.

The villainous years of the revolution killed the shoots of hope for rapprochement between Jews and Russians that it appeared just before the war. Now, we witness active Russo-Jewish divergence. Levin. It is our duty to honestly and objectively examine the causes of any extent of Jewish involvement in the revolution. This might have certain effect on future relations between Russians and Jews. The co-authors of the collection rightly warned Russians not to mix them.

up the meaning of the February Revolution and the Jewish involvement in it. Beekerman, if anything, minimized this involvement. The power balance between the Executive Committee of the Soviet of soldiers and workers, deputies, and the provisional government was for the most part unclear to contemporaries. However, he thought that after the October Bolshevik coup, quote, the Jewish right to have their Bolsheviks implies a duty to have also their right-wingers and extreme right-wingers, the polar opposites of the Bolsheviks, end quote. Pasmanic. Quote, in all its varieties and forms,

Bolshevik communism is an evil and true foe of Jewry, as it is first of all the enemy of personal identity in general and of cultural identity in particular. Found by a plethora of intimate connections to our motherland, to its political system, economy, and culture, we cannot flourish while the country disintegrates around us. Daniel Pasmannock is an interesting guy. He started off as a Zionist, a follower of Moses Hess, specifically, the Palae Zion.

Near the end of his life, he became a strong follower of Mussolini. And as far as Russia was concerned, what became a support of the restoration of the monarchy. I don't know at the top of my head if he converted to orthodoxy or not it'll be weird if he didn't

but obviously he was a Jew and he just gone farther and farther away from how is this helping us this is such

short-term thinking that we're just going to slaughter them and expect nothing to happen well nothing did happen but Zionists were always

so a double-edged sword you know, you're not supposed to have a separate ethnic element within, you know, ethnicity was supposed to die off, but they're Jews. They're different. So, as time went on, as decades went on, he just eventually just said, this is outrageous. He thought that, well, if they're going after the Christians, now they'll go after the Jews later. Now, of course, that was never the case. Synagogues did not get burnt down. But in exile, but he just thought that it would be one. I don't think he realized the depth of the Jewish involvement in Bolivism.

I guess it was a true foe of Jewry only in the sense that there couldn't be a Jewish ethnicity, separate from the rest of the USSR, at least in his mind at the time. I mean, you know, there had to have been a Jewish point of view that said, okay, the Jews were doing extremely well prior to the war. We know this. Or say prior to 1905.

All this revolutionary stuff got us nothing but constant constant, conflict, which had to have hurt our merchant interests. But then as time went on, he just, he just, he just, he just rejected the entire concept. He said, no, this isn't going to work. And of course, Zionists wanted to get out of the country, at least at a certain point, impossible this era. but and then in fact that he he became a national socialist of a type and a royalist in exile suggested that he just you know made the entire theological shift that he wanted to he didn't Bolshevism was for him properly speaking was the the great evil even if it's 100% Jewish

it wasn't quite but it you know it does not help us It's going to hurt us. People are noticing this. How does this help us to take private property away from our merchants who've been doing very well in Russia? Well, they've got state positions, usually state positions that they had no right to have. And so in exile, you know, in exile, weird things happen to you. An exile, nationalism starts to develop far more strongly than within the country. And he started to miss the era prior to 1905, that things were getting better under Alexander III because he did have the revolutionary movement very much under his thumb.

Now, remember also, as this is going on, the country was disintegrating. You did not have the monolithic USSR you had under Stalin and Krushchev. As I've said before, you've had uprisings all over the country, everywhere. A lot of them having to do with the church, a lot of them having to do with the cancelation, eventual cancellation of the NEP, that NEP didn't last very long. And then later, later on, collectivization, it never quite ended. And so the Jews were confined to a few places in the cities. I'm going to go out on a limb, and I'm going to say at the time he wrote these lines, most. people who knew anything about Russia would say that the Bolsheviks were not going to last, not

with these kind of policies. World War II, of course, solidified the Soviet Union in existence. But with all of the uprisings and the ethnic problems, it was – and plus, you know, the rise of Hitler in the early 30s, you know, they're starting to, you know, Jews were starting to wonder. The fact that he uses words like Motherland and everything else, his political system. He's talking about the earlier political system. An objective outside observer at this time, it looks like the Bolshek Empire is falling apart.

And how can that be good for anybody, Jews or otherwise? And I think that's his point here. Obviously, these authors were fully aware of the significance of the Russian catastrophe. In describing those years, I heavily relied on the work of these people with the hope that they're bitter, but not at all, self-hating reflections can finally be understood and comprehended in their entirety. He's trying to be fair, and it's a good thing. You know, we know, and he's told us, the Jews dominated Bolshevism, the left since the middle of the 19th century. There's no doubt about it. But it would be wrong to not mention those Jews who, for whatever reason,

So it has a problem. So he's trying to be fair here. Their 1923 proclamation stated, quote, The National Union of Russian Jews abroad firmly believes that the Bolsheviks epitomized the greatest evil for the Jews as well as for all other peoples of Russia. It is time for the Jew to stop tremble at the thought of going against the revolution. Rather, the Jews should fear against his motherland, Russia, and his people Jewish. However, the authors of Russia and the Jews saw the Jewish national consciousness of the early 1920s as something very different from what they've thought it should have been.

Quote, among almost all circles and classes of Russian society are now engaged in grievous self-reflections, trying to comprehend what has happened. Whether these self-accusations and admissions of guilt are fair or not, they at least reveal the work of thought, conscience, conscience, and aching hearts. But it would be no exaggeration to claim to such spiritual work as the least noticeable among the Jewish intelligentsia, which is no doubt a symptom of certain morbidity. For an outsider, it appears that a typical Jewish intellectual has no concerns. End quote.

For this intellectual, quote, everyone else is to blame, the government, the generals, the peasants, etc. He has nothing to do with all this. In no way did he forge his own destiny and the destinies of those around him. He is just a passer by, hit on the head by a falling brick. So they were complicit in destroying the world around them, but after it was finished, they became unaware of their role in it. So you see, he's already starting to, um, uh, that this isn't, that this is, this is, this is, this is Pesmanic here. This isn't Joltenitzen. Um, at least most of that,

uh, that last paragraph. Um, um, um, And he fully admits Jews seem to have this pathological inability to reflect on themselves and to objectively look at their own behavior. They can't. We know that's true. They can't. They can't be responsibility for anything. They can't admit wrongdoing. It's like Fonzie.

They can't do it. And if anything happens, they're going to blame everyone around them. You know, Lenin blamed foreign power. powers in foreign intelligence penetrating the USSR, which is hilarious since these foreign powers were building the USSR at the time. I'll repeat myself here. You didn't have a lot of native engineers, skilled labor. You had some. But these guys were either dead in exile, in prison.

or misused somehow. There was, Russia was a more or less industrialized power by 1914. But that was gone. Much of that was destroyed. Much of that was just left to rot at this point. But after the war, you're talking about massive losses in World War I.

More in the Civil War, that now in these uprisings, Jews at the center of every last one of them, them, the only way that they were going to build anything was from the West. In fact, it got so bad that Stalin, I have to go look up where he said this, he started to worry about Soviet independence, that the first or second five-year plan was so based on Western investment that how much of this is Soviet. And on top of all that, Soviet college student.

were then being educated in Britain, in Germany, in France, in the U.S., to come back and be engineers. But that didn't stop the flight up until the end of the Soviet Union. There was, you know, the computer industry, everything. There was no part of the USSR, industrially speaking, from electricity to mining, to oil, to the scientific organization of the camps that was not created by Western capital. I said this before people love Henry Ford but he built the largest

Ford plant in the world right in Kharkov in Stalin's era and the entire Soviet automotive industry came from that came from those that Ford plant so

you know when they want to blame foreign powers it makes me laugh but that was their public they would say that in public we're surrounded by enemies. We're communists. Well, the capitalist hate us. They want to destroy us. Typical Jews, they did the same thing in the

Cahal system. In the Cajal, they kept poor Jews in line by saying that if you were to leave the Cahal, these animalistic goyam, they'll kill you. Everyone's an anti-Semite. They hate you. And they used the pogroms. Whatever they could. But the last thing they would do is to

possibly look at themselves as the cause of these problems. the literature after the revolution, especially in exile, is massive and very little of it translated. I've been through a chunk of it over the years it takes forever to go through, and it's some first-rate political theory. This is what happens when your country has fallen apart, and a group of Jews takes it over. So, but the only problem was, yeah, Jews were writing on it too, except they were taking zero responsibility for any of the bad things that were happening there. The only thing they cared about was whether they look good or look bad in the public arena.

Jewish Bolsheviks was a particular pain for the authors, quote, a sin that carries the seed of its own nemesis. What greater affliction is there for a people than to see its sons debouched? It is not just that the Russian upheaval needed people of a certain sort for its perpetuation or that the Jewish society provided this sort of people. What is most important is that they were not rebuffed, did not meet enough opposition from within their own society. It is our duty to shoulder the struggles specifically against the Jewish Bolsheviks, against all kinds of Yev sects, the Jewish section, the name given to officials appointed

by the Soviets to deal with Jewish affairs and against Jewish commissars in general, end quote. Wait a minute here. Now, this is a huge statement from Pasmanic here. Talking about this pathological issue with the Jews, part of the reason for it is that they did not meet enough opposition from within their own society. He's talking about within Judaism as well as within Russia. in other words Russians should have been you know tearing them apart in the newspapers

to be publishing this is what the Jews are maybe that could have helped just a little bit but you know he's well aware of the Jewish mentality that you say one bad thing about him it's not a Shoah or another program

and that's exactly how they were defining programs when Lenin first took over Now, I always laugh at these Jewish sections or Jewish affairs as if, you know, Bolshevism was not overwhelmingly a Jewish operation as such. And when they carved out their own state, which I think we'll talk about in here under Stalin and a bit of bizdan. I remember I wrote a lengthy paper on that. And I said, you know, even within. a highly Jewish Soviet Union, Jews still, because they weren't completely in charge,

were disgusted and had to leave and had to go somewhere else. I guess the same thing for Israel, too. Somewhere where there would be no guillium around. Now, the Berra-Bisdon thing, we'll talk about another time. But for some reason, Pazmanic is not afflicted with this pathology.

but he's he's coming straight out and saying if you Gentiles had had been more forthright and and you know didn't hide you're like Michael Hoffman one of my favorite authors always says this is being aimed to everybody but also to Jews free yourself from this the shackles of the

Talmud it does not help anybody including you and that's exactly what he's saying here. From within their own society, that includes not just Jewish society as such, but mostly Russia as an entity. Yeah, of course, you had anti-Jewish stuff all over the place. It was pretty normal, but apparently not enough for Pasmani. It should be noted that these authors were not alone in arguing that Russian and now emigrant Jews should fight against the Bolsheviks. From the pages of the Jewish Tribune, Quote, if Bolshevism was swept from power in Russia by a wave of popular wrath, jury might be held, in the eyes of the masses, responsible for prolonging Bolshevism's lifespan.

Only active participation in the struggle to liquidate Bolshevism can secure Jews a safe position in the common cause of saving Russia. Now, that's interesting, because it sounds to me that he's only really talking about public relations. that if the Jews come in and turn on the Bolsheviks, which of course were many, mostly Jews, and dethrone them, this is very Machiavellian, and to throne them, they're going to be seen as a savior element. Then they can have a safe position in the common cause within Russia itself. That seems to be, I could be wrong,

but I think that's what he's saying here. But that was not the majority Jewish opinion at the time. Beekerman warned, if we support the Bolsheviks, quote, On the principle that your own shirt is closer to the body, then we should not forget that we thus allow the Russian to take care of his own shirt that is closer to his body, that it justifies the call, Slaughter Yids, save Russia. What the hell does that mean?

Oh, well. What of the Jewish attitudes towards the White Army? quote, this unworthy attitude that Jews have towards people who have taken upon their shoulders the endlessly difficult task of fighting for Russia for the millions of the sheepish and weak-willed, sheepish and weak-willed, points out to the complete moral disintegration to a sort of perversion of mind, while all of us Jews and non-Jews alike placed ourselves obediently under the communist yoke and our backs under the whip, there were some Russians, courageous and proud,

who overcame all obstacles, gathered from what remained of the breach, and ripped apart fronts of World War I, consolidated and raised the banner of resistance. Just that they were willing to fight under these circumstances alone, immortalizes them for the history. And these people became an object for abuse

on the side of so many Jews, libeled by every loquacious tongue, So instead of appreciation, the tragedy, so instead of appreciating the tragedy, we see epidemic mindlessness, endless laxity of speech, and triumphant superficiality. And yet, the Russian for which the whites fought is not alien to us. It is our shirt, too. Jury should have fought for the white cause as for the cause of Jewish salvation. For only in the restoration and swift rescue of Russian statehood can Jews find

salvation from that death that has never been as close as in these days? All right. I think we have a big translation problem here. I don't have access to the original. Well, I do as far as Solzhenitsyn goes, but not the actual original author. I don't think that they just sheepishly, you know, fought for the Bolsheviks. They saw the Bolsheviks as a kindred spirit. They were almost one in the same.

you know, it was very much a Jewish ethnic movement, especially at the time. But the handful of Jews that were willing to fight for the White Army, and, you know, he doesn't say the monarchy here. This is still Pasmatic. Now, later on he would, but at this point, you know, Russian statehood, what are he talking about after the February Revolution? The Kerensky regime? That was heavily Jewish as well. I'm not sure really, you know, he doesn't say it. It's been a long time since I've come across his stuff.

But certainly the Jewish Bolsheviks, you know, slaughtered any Jew that came from, you know, POW from the White Army. And there were a few for this very reason. There were a handful. You know, for the most part, they were either in exile supporting another faction of the Marxists, like, the Petersburg Soviet or going back a decade or so. They certainly weren't politically neutral. They knew exactly what they were doing.

So, Pasmanic is exaggerating here. But the white cause, well, the white, what is the white? There were numerous white armies. Some were royalists, some weren't. Some fought for something that that constituent assembly, which almost became a totem in their minds, as Cornelov and people like that, but Capelle and Dietrich, who were strict monarchists.

Now, later on in his life, he will become a monarchist, and he will say that people like Capelle and Dietrich had it right, and that is the cause of Russian statehood that I'm talking about. But in this period of time, I'm not sure what he means. Death was indeed approaching, although from another direction. Who would deny these conclusions today after decades of Soviet regime? But at that time, only few authors, Jewish or Russian, could see so far ahead. The Jewish emigrant community as a whole rejected these thoughts, and thus they had failed to the test of history.

It might be objected that it did not cause jury a noticeable significant harm, and certainly it was not the Holocaust brought by Hitlerism. Yes, it did not bring commasurable physical harm, but historically its spiritual harm was noticeable. Take, for instance, the success of Bolshevism and the expulsion of the Jewish religion from the country where it had once deeply spread its sacred roots, and there was more, the Jews, by betting on Bolshevism, influenced the overall course of events in Europe. I think he's wrong at a few levels here.

Even though I'm sympathetic with him, I think we all are. Especially, you know, given the community that he's coming from. He took a lot of crap, especially with that proclamation. But they weren't

betting on Bolivism. They believed in it. They vaguely understood what it was or they in detail understood what it was. Now, part of the thing that The Pesmanic is saying that there has to be a reaction here somewhere. It just can't keep going.

Oh, there will be a reaction. It won't be in Russia, though. It'll be in Germany. By the time Hitler had taken power, you already had two chunks of Germany already with called People's Republics. The country was being partitioned already. And those two People's Republics, one in the North. Cologne and the other one in Bavaria, were heavily, heavily Jewish.

So all he had to do was point to these places, are hungry back in 1919, which is exclusively Jewish. You know, how is this a coincidence? You know, Jews are 2% of the population, 3% of the population of Hungary, maybe a little bit more. And the entire red takeover in the bellocoon is Judaic. Well, I know we've mentioned that many times. I have a paper on that. It's just so striking to me. The same thing goes for Bavaria. You know, Hitler was elected at a time of such immense crisis, including the actual partition of his own country. Yes, of course, there's going to be a reaction. Yeah, there's going to be a reaction. And Jews need to look at themselves and say, well, the rise of this reaction, whether it be in Germany, or anywhere else. It's your own damn fault. You just went bonkers with power. You didn't help

anyone but yourselves. And you wonder why people hate you. I know why people hate you. The authors of the Russian, the authors of the Russia and the Jews appealed in vain. Quote, in the many centuries of Jewish dispersion, there has not been a political catastrophe as deeply threatening to our national existence as the breaking of the Russian power, for never have the vital forces of the Jewish people been as united as in the bygone living Russia. Even the breakup of the caliphate can scarcely compare with the current disaster. Yeah.

I love that they admit that. I love when they admit that openly. He's not being subtle. For the United Russian jury, the breakup of Russia, into separate sovereign states is a national calamity. If there is no place for the Jews in the great spaces of the Russian land and the boundlessness of the Russian soul, then there is no space for Jews anywhere in the world.

Woe to us if we do not wise up, end quote. Well, there was something to that, of course. He's talking about the Khazar Empire, which, like in all places, made themselves hated wherever they went. Even in Western Europe, I have so many papers on this. Some of the saints of Western Europe say that there are savages over there. Gog and Magog used to be applied to them in the early Middle Ages, among the saints in Aquitaine in southern France, which is Greek speaking.

Now, so for those who don't know, of course, he's referring to Gazaria. That's hard for Jews to admit. I don't know why. I think that's another translation problem. The caliphate, yeah, it was a Turkic. Is he not referring to Spain? It's, well, oh, oh, you mean, and then the takeover, then they're expulsion. That's very possible, too.

Yeah. That's very possible, too. Caliphate is it would be, I don't know what the original Russian is, but the caliphate, it could refer to either one. But if he is referring to the Spanish thing, yeah, yeah, they're certainly, you know, equal in, as far as disaster is concerned. But, you know, initially he tried to explain to Jews that from his opposition to Bolshevism comes from his Jewish nationalism. And it didn't go very far. Yeah, you know, Russia under the Tsars was united.

It was prosperous, especially from the middle to the end of the 19th century, beginning of the 20th century. Other than battles with the Turks, it was fairly peaceful, especially in the central regions. Now, identifying with Russia, I mean, Russian culture is the Orthodox Church. so it's odd to make reference as a due to Russian culture is this wonderful thing because every aspect of it especially back then

even the letters in the alphabet not so much anymore but had a religious meaning from the clothing to the rituals everything else not church rituals I mean rituals at the home read a domestroy in books like that but but this is this is what this is what exile does how is this better

than what we had under Alexander the 3rd now he hasn't mentioned pogroms yet I think he might know the truth about the matter as we've said many times before and for the uninitiated pogroms were often started by armed Jewish factions, just as many Russians and were killed as Jews were. And they usually took, you know, on the Russian side, they took place after outrageous Jewish behavior, murders of local officials, or, of course, even of Alexander II, by a very Jewish leftist organization. He hasn't mentioned that yet.

And I have the feeling that the other Jews were mentioning, would mention that to him. But it isn't as if, you know, they saw, you know, they saw ordinary Jews, even in exile, saw Russia as this backward state of Goyim, the old Rome, or the, you know, the new Rome, Rome period, that had to go. And Nicholas II had to go. I think that that would be the majority opinion. And he's coming here saying that, well, even if there was no conversion to orthodoxy, we did very well under the czars and stopped trying to pretend we didn't. I think we should stop right here because he's, with the, of course, it looks like he's changing, changing themes here, not really changing themes, but there's a different, a different tenor going

forward at this point. Okay. Yeah, well, we're almost at, yeah, we're almost at an hour. All right. So, all right, as I do, at the end of every episode, go over to the show notes, go over to the description in the video, donate to Dr. Johnson's work, keep him unemployed so he can keep educating us. And I will talk to you in a couple days, Dr. Johnson. Thank you for everything you do. All right, my friend, and I say the same to you, no question.

Take care now. Bye-bye. I want to welcome everyone back to our region. of 200 years together by Alexander Solzhenycinese and this is episode 79 dr johnson how are you doing today i am joined by stanley who was sleeping next to me in his bed um i don't know if uh suzy cream cheese will be coming in making an appearance but if she does i'm going to introduce her to everybody awesome awesome yeah i think everybody's looking forward to that i know i am even though I've just seen a picture so far.

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Yeah. Okay. Yeah. All right, buddy. All right. Page 401. Picking up where we left off last time. Of course, by the very end of the 20th century, we can easily reject these grim prophecies,

if only as a matter of fact, just as enough space is, been found on earth for formerly Russian Jews, so a Jewish state has been founded and secured itself, while Russia still lies in ruin, so powerless and humiliated. The warnings of the authors on how Russia should be treated already appear a great exaggeration, a failed prophecy. And now we can reflect on these words only in regard to the spiritual chord that so unexpectedly bound the two our peoples together in history. He's clearly talking about either the late 90s or the early 2000s for him to say that, you know, Russia's humiliated, et cetera, lies in ruin.

It took Putin a few years to change all that. So Solstinitin lived through the 90s. and where Russia truly Russia truly was humiliated Quote If Russia is not our motherland Then we are foreigners And have no right to interfere

In her national life Quote Russia will survive Her renaissance must become Our national concern The concern of the entire Russian Jewry And in conclusion

Quote The fate of Russian jury Is inextricably linked To the fate of Russia We must save Russia If we want to save Jewry The Jews must fight the molesters of the great country shoulder to shoulder with all other anti-Bolshevik forces. A consolidated struggle against the common enemy will heal the rifts and substantially reduce the current dramatic and ubiquitous growth of anti-Semitism.

Only by saving Russia can we prevent a Jewish catastrophe. Well, I understand what he means here. I like that first sentence. If Russia is not our motherland, it is not. then we are foreigners who have no right to interfere in her national life. But if by some miracle, it has to be a miracle of God, absolutely a miracle of God, where the Jews would collectively repudiate the Talmud,

then that would be a different story. And that would actually manifest in a change in behavior. You know, a huge portion of the contempt, the legitimate contempt throughout the years would have no purpose. Now, again, only God could bring about a miracle that severe. And he's saying something somewhat similar. The Jews should also repudiate Bolivism.

And in both cases, there, it's highly unlikely. Catastrophe. This was said 10 years before Hitler's ascension of power. 18 years before, here we go. Yeah, his boomer. I mean, he's silent generation, but there's a lot of boomerism is going to be. going on here. Eighteen years before his stunning sweep across the USSR and before the start of his program of Jewish extermination. Would it have been possible for Hitler to preach hatred of Jews and

communists in Germany so easily and successfully to claim Jews and communists are the same? If the Jews were among the most prominent and persistent opponents of the Soviet regime, the spiritual search of the authors of Russia and the Jews led them to prophetically sense the shadow of the impending Jewish catastrophe, though erring in its geographical origin and failing to predict other fateful developments, yet their dreadful warning remained unheard. Well, he's right. This was, I mean, you know, Hitler wasn't an ignoramus. He knows war.

He knew war from being in the trenches in World War I. And he really didn't want it. But it was because they were Bolsheviks or, otherwise subversive on the left that his contempt started, you know, and this is separate from their, but you know, if the Talmud was repudiated, then Bolivism would be repudiated, and so would their business practices. So I think the Talmud is at the foundation of it. Now, he's not saying that here. But he's hedging his bets. if the Jews of Russia at the time were to completely, as one man, reject Bolivism and fight it, there would be no, first of all, it would never have succeeded, and there would be no grounds for contempt based on that, and there would be no reason ever to invade it, which Hitler really didn't want to do.

I think the sentence in there is would it have been possible for Hitler to preach hatred of Jews and communists in Germany so easily and successfully to claim Jews and communists are the same, I mean, which is basically something that no one wants to talk about in the modern day that when Hitler, he couldn't separate it because when you looked at communism in Russia, so much of the leadership was Jewish. Oh, or in Germany, for that matter. And Germany, yeah, Germany especially, yeah. You know, those little statelets, he was elected to a brutal position. I know when I lectured on, I'll mindful say it now, when I lectured on the Third Reich when I was at university, I would start off saying this. Okay. I wouldn't say this was Germany. I wouldn't say the time or the place. I'd say there's a country that has just lost a war. They've lost their best men. The economy has completely collapsed. A treaty has been imposed on them where they cannot industrialize. Everything is taken from them. They are humiliated in front of the world. They don't have to be, but they are. Riots have broken out into the streets between left and right. no one takes the politician seriously and they know that should they parts of your country have been torn off by this huge empire to your east

your currency is is worthless most of your industry doesn't function and I go on and on like that you know and I say okay you've just been elected what do you do and I'm sure I've broken brains with that one many of my students didn't know I was talking about the third right. The people who do have never looked at the third right the same way again. You have a country like

that that he inherited, that he was elected to, and make chance for up. The condition it was in where you had nothing. You had you know, the Soviet Union was dying to destroy it. It was supposed to, the Versailles Treaty

was supposed to turn the country into one big field. You have a you had you had badly wounded soldiers lined up in front of clinics there simply wasn't the material the machinery to take care of them

or the money for that matter guys losing arms guys losing legs and this used to be the world's preeminent industrial power other than Britain that's what he took over that's been my line for years

For decades, I've been saying that. You've just been elected. Okay, now what do you do? And, of course, you know, it seems impossible. So it changes everyone's point of view as to the Hilarian project in the 1330s. And, of course, I go on a lot more. There's a lot more things you could say about Germany in the 30s, It was a disaster that it was.

And students don't really realize that, you know, especially freshmen, they don't know I'm talking about Germany. Now I'm talking about Germany when Hitler was elected. And they don't, they have no idea. They think it's just a normal country. And it certainly was not. I mean, not only that. I mean, how many people realize that, like, you know, they complain about the night of the long knives. And, you know, there's a certain something there, you know, these people that help you get to power, you're, you know,

killing some of them and exiling others. But, I mean, they were already complaining that Hitler wasn't hardcore enough. He wasn't based enough. He was talking, he was making allies with people he shouldn't have been made allies with. And not to mention the fact that, I mean, you had a, that was basically an army in the street. And you're living under a treaty that says your army can only have 100,000 men and they don't want to disband. I mean, people think that, that Hitler took pass. and everyone just consolidated around him and was like,

we're going to do anything you say, sir. They're hypnotized. Moving on. I'm not aware of anything else close to Russia and the Jews in the history of Russian-Jewish relations. It shook the Jewish emigration. Imagine how hurtful it was to hear such things coming from Jewish lips, from within Jewry itself. On the part of Russians, we must.

learn a lesson from this story as well. We should take Russia and the Jews as an example of how to love our own people and at the same time be able to speak about our mistakes and to do so mercilessly if necessary. And in doing that, we should never alienate or separate ourselves from our people. The surest path to social truth is for each to admit their own mistakes from each from every side. That's one thing the Jews could never do. Sven and I went back, you know, before his His own catastrophe Say that The Jews are a legitimate ethnic group

I don't care where they're from ultimately And both subjectively Objectively not necessarily in the Middle East But they do have a right to their own state Not in the way it's been done Certainly And not at the expense of everybody else And probably not in that neighborhood

But But Jews have been a, should be a model. How to love your own people. I mean, Jews are fanatical nationalists. They just hate it when anyone else is unless that anyone else is serving their interest for a small period of time, like the Ukrainians today or blacks in America or something like that, Uzbek's in Kazakhstan, as I've mentioned before. No, the ultimate nationalism is their own and they are fanatical, even liberal Jews.

tend to be heavily, you know, ethnically motivated. We're just not allowed to be. And they have to deal with that dissonance. And it's part of one of the biggest intellectual hurdles they have. But as far as learning from mistakes, no, they haven't made mistakes except to, you know, not be Jewish enough. They're not capable of that kind of introspection. Having devoted much time and thoughts to these authors and having dragged the reader along with me, I would like here to leave a brief record of their lives. Joseph Manasiewicz Beekerman, 1867 and 1942, came from a poor petty bourgeois family.

He attended a cater, a cater, then a yeshiva, provided for himself from the age of 15, educated himself under difficult circumstances. In 1903, he graduated from the historical philological faculty of the Imperial Nova Rocia University after a two-year exclusion gap for participation in student unrest. He opposed Zionism as, in his opinion, an illusory and reactionary idea. He called on Jews to unite without relinquishing their spiritual identity with progressive forces in Russia to fight for the good of the common motherland. His first article was a large tract on Zionism published in the Russian treasure, 1902, Issue 7, which was noticed and debated even abroad.

In 1905, he was deeply involved in the liberation movement. He worked in several periodicals, Son of the Fatherland, Our Day, Rusko Bogotsv, buoyant word. As an emigrant, he was printed in the Paris Vos Rosh Deni when it was run by

P.B. Sruv Well, he's still, now he's quoted from Bikerman quite a bit.

And he's still a leftist. You know, he was fighting against the monarchy from 1905

onward. So he's a revolutionary maybe in the Mensovic sense, not in the Bolshevic sense.

The Bolsheviks went way too far. You can't be burning down treasures and expect nothing to

happen. this is why the you know the germans were were seen as liberators when they when they came in um and with and we especially in ukraine so you know progressive elements uh liberation movement that means this means the left but as far as bolivism um and of course he's anti zionists too but that was really wasn't a relevant issue in um at the time we were we were still really in what in the mid-20s here that wasn't a huge issue I don't know if he would think of it

think the same he died in 42 so would he have fought the same in 49 if you lived that long so I understand Solzhenitin one to highlight these people but they're still not necessarily allies I suppose if they're you know if this is a life or death fight

and he's on your side you're going to want to talk about him but otherwise, you know, he's still, you know, I leftist, he's still an opponent. Daniel Samoyevich Pasmanek, 1869 to 1930, was a son of Melamed, a teacher and a cater. I looked up Kater real quick while you were speaking at elementary school. In 1923, he graduated from the medical faculty of Zurich University and then practiced medicine in Bulgaria for seven years. In 1890 to 1905, he was the freelance lecturer in the medical faculty at Geneva University. He joined Zionist movement in 1900 and became one of its leading theorists and publicists.

He returned to Russia in 1905 and passed the medical license exam. He participated in the struggle for civil rights for Jews. He opposed the Bund and worked on the program for Poile Zion. In 1906 to 1907, he was a member of the Central Council. committee of the Russian Zionist organization. He was a member of editorial boards of Jewish life and then of Rassvet. He wrote many articles for Eversky Mir Jewish World and the Jewish Encyclopedia. He publishes medical works and specialized journals in German and French. Passmatic was in Vienna when World War I broke out in 1914 from where he, with great difficulty, managed to return to Russia.

He joined the army and served in field hospitals until February 1917. He joined the cadets after the February Revolution. He supported General Kornilov and the White Movement. In 1918 to 1919, he was involved in the white government of the Crimea, was elected chairman of the Union of Jewish Communities of the Crimea. In 1919, he emigrated from Russia to France. In 1920 to 1920 and 1922 in Paris, he together would, V. L. Burtsev edited the white emigrate newspaper, The Common Cause. Overall, he authored

hundreds of articles and tens of books. The most notable of them include wandering Israel, the psychology of Jewry and dispersion, fates of the Jewish people, the problems of Jewish society, the Russian Revolution and Jewry, Bolshevism and Judaism, the Revolutionary Years in Crimea. What is Judaism? I think in this book, Sultan Eastern has cited from all of them at one time or another, his name has come up maybe more than anyone else. I get the impression that this man was more to the right than Beekerman was. But when you say white movement, what does that mean? That does not automatically make you a monarchist.

The white movement also would include defending the provisional government. which, of course, was, you know, preferable, of course, to the Bolshevik government, despite it being an evil group of people, too. But he did absolutely expose the role of Judaism in Bolivism, in socialism. That's why most people haven't heard of him. These books are totally obscure. to most people, especially the last few he exposed

that this is a Jewish movement and the fact that it's become a Jewish movement is a huge mistake for all the reason we've been talking about. So he's really hard to dislike and we've been talking about him I've heard his name a hundred times since we've over the last month or so

since we first started. Isaac Osopovich Levin 1876 to 1944, was a historian and publicist. Before the revolution, he worked as a foreign affairs commentator for the Russian journal and for a P.V. Struv's magazine Russian Thought. He emigrated first to Berlin.

He was a member of the Russian Institute of Science, worked in the Rul, Ruski Zapiski, and in the historical literacy almanac Na Shuzoi, sort of in the foreign land. He regularly gave presentations, in particular. on the topic of the rise of German anti-Semitism. He moved to Paris in 1931 to 1932. He was widowed and lived in poverty. Among his works are emigration during the French Revolution and a book in French about Mongolia.

During the German occupation, he registered according to his racial origins, as was required by authorities. He was arrested in early 1943 for a short time, was held in a concentration camp near Paris, then deported. He died in a Nazi concentration. cap in 1944. Well, in 1944, of course, he died of typhus because by that time, you know, supplies were dwindling. You know, the Third Reich had, depending on when it was in 1944, a very short time left.

You know, did he really live in poverty? I don't know. But I understand why Sultanese wants to highlight these people. but the reason he highlights the reason that he could list them by name shows you how rare they are. Yeah, it's like the exception proving the rule. Yeah.

Grigory, Gavriel Adolfovich Landau, 1877 and 1941, was son of the well-known publicist and publisher A.E. Landau. He graduated from the law faculty of the St. Petersburg University in 1902, He wrote for periodicals from 1903, the newspaper Sunshine, Nash Den, Jewish Observer, Bodroslovo, Evresir, Vesimir, European Herald, Northern Notes, and yearly almanac logos. He was one of the founders of the Jewish Democratic Group in 1904 and the Union for Equal Rights for Jews in Russia in 1905.

He was an outstanding cadet, member of the Central Committee of the Debt, Debt Party. In August 1917, he participated in the government conference in Moscow from December in 1917. He was a member of the Executive Committee of the Jewish Community of Petrograd. He emigrated to Germany in 1919. From 1920 to 1931, he was Ivy Gesson's deputy at Rule. Apart from Rule, he also wrote for the magazine Ruskaya Meisel, the weekly Russia and the Slavs, the collection Shisla means dates, etc. He often lectured at Emigre evenings in 1927 in the talk titled the Eurasian Delusion.

He criticized Eurasianism as the movement contrary to the values of Russian history and leading to ideological Bolshevism. From Nazi Germany, he fled for Latvia, where he worked for the Riga newspaper called Today. He was arrested by the NKVD in June 1941 and died in the U.S. Uso-Logue camp near Solemask in November. Among his works, the most influential were clownish culture in Nashden, 1908, The Article Twilight of Europe, 1914, when antedated, much of what would last bestow worldwide fame on Oswald Spangler, and later a book with the same title,

Polish-Jewish-Relations on Overcoming Evil in the Collection book, the works of Russian scholars abroad, Berlin, 1923, the Byzantine and the Hebrew, Ruskaya missile, 1923, Theses against Dostoevsky, Shiaslaw, Volume 6. Epigraphs, much of what he wrote was dismissed by contemporaries. He was too conservative in spirit to be accepted by progressive public. He was a sagacious thinker. I can't say I've read him, and I haven't read, um, uh, he's, his theses against Dostoevsky, I have a feeling what he was, what he was writing about,

it was from Diary of a Writer, you know, Dosteusk had a lot to say about the Jews there. But he was a cadet, you know, and when the czar ruled, that was the liberal party. That was a leftist party. Somehow, during the Civil War, they became almost, or at least in London's mind, became a conservative party. They weren't. They didn't like the czar either. These were not monarchist men. You know, fleeing for Latvia, which is probably the stupidest idea he could have possibly had at the time of all places to go. The fact that he, you know, he was a cadet, meaning he was anti-royalist. He was a liberal, but at the same time, he died in a gulag. They sent him

there. So there's, you got to give him respect for that. We could not find any substantial information about D.O. Linsky. He served in the White Army during the Civil War or V.C. Mandel, active participant in Russian political life 1907 to 1918. He emigrated to Berlin and died in 1931. I don't know how literate, computer literate Joseoniton was. Something tells me he wasn't very. and certainly he didn't have the access that we do had I read ahead

I would have done more work on that I'm sorry for that I should have but I think his point is made about these people but the fact that he could list them by names still makes me laugh but these were men of the left who's claimed to fame that they just didn't want to slaughter Russians and Orthodox people

that somehow makes them because they were all you know they didn't want to Bolshevism wanted to do that but the liberal groups didn't want to they just wanted to brainwash them so you know

I suppose when you when you consider what bolshevism was these guys seem to be really great but not in general terms it's good to have them working for the white cause against bolshevism but I can't imagine that they were fighting for anything other than the provisional government in other words these guys were all Mensheviks they were all the supporters of Kurenski Kornilov of course was supposed to be the representative of the Kurenski government

So, you know, that's not much of a resume. But I suppose it's better than, you know, wanting to just slaughter Russian Orthodox people and destroy the peasantry. But the fact that that's the standard is awful, is pathetic. And the Jews will never be able to ever look at themselves when it comes to this stuff, ever admit what they've done. And they'll bring up these guys. And I hate these guys. They'll bring them up. You know, but they're not necessarily, if society were normal,

the monarchy ruled and everything else, these guys would not be allies. But when the Bolsheviks took over, lots of new allies that we have, not necessarily monarchists, but we couldn't be, Russians couldn't be pushing away. friends at the time,

matter what they're Jewish or otherwise. But, you know, a few decades before, they would not be allies at all. These were all essentially liberals leftists of one kind or another who think that the Bolsheviks went too far. And because Bolshevism is basically Judaism, it makes Jews look bad. That's what this all comes down to.

They weren't monarchists, you know. As far as I know, they didn't convert to Orthodox. Orthodoxy, like Frank did, and a handful of others that I know, you know, if they truly thought this way, that's what they would do, they would abandon their Talmudic life altogether and convert to the Orthodox Church. That would tell me something. You have a bunch of them in America, and they're well aware. I mean, I learned about the Talmud from the great Donner. Rosenberg, who was a Jewish convert, the Russian Orthodox Church abroad in New York City. He was one of my first, he was my first teacher. And he told me a lot. He was the first guy to tell me about the liberty. This is even before the internet came out or anything.

You have plenty of them in America. But at the time, you know, I guess their claim to fame is that they didn't want to murder every Russian Orthodox. man they saw because it would make the Jews look bad. That's essentially what it comes down to. However, you know, it didn't matter. I mean, the Bolshevik state continued until 1989.

So, but Sultan Ethan wants to highlight them, if someone were to say to him, well, they're not old like that, as if that's what he's saying, which is one of the stupidest arguments that any man could make. You know, it's just, you know, do I have to explain to you

the difference between a group and an individual. And I do quite often. I'm not talking about individuals here. But he just wants to forestall that argument by enlisting these guys. And some of them, you know, they went to the gulag. You know, going to the gulag is, you know, that was a very Jewish thing. It was run by Jews. They sent them there, not him, the one before, this guy.

I might say Pasbonic Right? Or is it Well, anyway, I can't remember which one, but the guy I said who went to the gulag, you got to respect that.

There's no question about it. And Jews sent him there. So that's something that's something that we can't ignore. And he's right to bring them up. In Russia and the Jews, the behavior of Jewish immigrants during 1920s was explicitly and harshly admonished. The authors called then their co-ethnics to admit their own mistakes and not to judge

the Great Russia in which they had lived and which they had made a home for hundreds of years. Remember how they demanded justice for themselves and how upset they are when they are collectively accused of the acts of some individuals. Jews should not be afraid to acknowledge some responsibility for all that has happened. First of all, we must determine precisely our share of responsibility and so counter anti-Semitic slander. That is absolutely not about becoming accustomed to anti-Semitism, as claimed by some Jewish demagogues. The admission is vital for us. It is our moral duty.

Jury has to pick righteous path worthy of the great wisdom of our religious teachings, which will lead us to brotherly reconciliation with the Russian people, to build the Russian house in the Jewish home so they might stand for centuries to come. I wish you would say who he's quoting here. You have to go all the way to the end of the chapter, or at least make them clickable. You know, there's an aspect of the Jewish psychology

that can never understand wrongdoing. I've said this a hundred times, but it's shunking. I've known about it for a long time. I know that even before I got into politics, I knew about it. Very difficult group of people to work with. So, but he's acting like you don't have to be afraid. Well, fear isn't the issue here.

Russians have written and written and written and written on their role, introspection and their role in the Bolstreet Revolution, But you're not going to see this. I'm not going to see this among Jews. It was not a Jewish movement. It had a small Jewish element to it. Everything else is Hitlerian, anti-Semitic nonsense. There were three authors quoted there,

V.S. Mandel, D.S. Pesmanek, and D.O. Linsky. All three were quoted in that paragraph. But we spread storms and thunder and expect to be cradled by gentle Zephyrs. I know you will shriek that I am just, testifying pogroms. I know how much these people are worth who think themselves salt to the earth, the arbiters of fate, and at the very least the beacons of Israel. They, whose every whisper is about black hundreds and black hundreders, they themselves are dark people. Their essence is black, very obscene indeed. They were never able to comprehend

the power of creativity in human history. It is imperative for us to make less of a display of our pain to shout less about our losses. It is time we understood the crying and wailing. It is mostly evidence of emotional infirmity, of a lack of culture of the soul. You are not alone in this world and your sorrow cannot fill the entire universe. When you put on a display only your own grief, only your own pain, it shows. Disrespect to others' grief, to others' suffering. Every once in a while you find one.

You know, they'll write like this. but That's Beacerman, by the way. Yeah, yeah. But what I've heard of Beekerman so far, I've read him before years ago. He was in a collection of White Army, the other one, too, of White Army essays. I think I gave that book away, hard copy. And he says a lot of, you know, he said it must have said it there.

because it's very familiar to me. Every once in a while you come across these guys, they're one in a million, but that just doesn't really matter. It doesn't affect us. They were right, of course. And this is why they're not on the top 100 of your Jewish authors list today in the U.S.

Well, it definitely goes to show that even when their own people are telling them to look in the mirror, they refuse to. Yes. So, I mean, they're not going to listen to us. It could have been said today and to all of us. These words cannot be obviated either by the millions lost in the prisons in the camps and Goulog, nor by the millions of exterminated in the Nazi death camps. The lectures of the authors of Russia and the Jews that that year's National Union of Jews were met with great indignation on the part of emigrant and Jewry.

Even when explicitly or tacitly accepting the truth of the facts and the analysis, many expressed indignation or surprise that anyone dared to bring these into the open. See, yeah. I mean, this is, nothing has changed. How dare you? See, it was not the right time to speak of Jews, to criticize them, to determine their revolutionary misdeeds and responsibility when jury has just suffered so much and may suffer even more in the future, end quote. The collections authors were almost declared enemies of the Jewish people, the abettors of reaction, and the allies of the pogromists.

They're still thought of that way today. You know, amongst, let's just say American voters. Jews vote Democrat roughly 80% of the time, the 20% are your fanatical Zionists who think that the Republicans will be more. sympathetic to Israel than anyone else. And, of course, they're right on that. But not for really any other issue. So, you know, you're talking about a tiny minority here. And when one of them sticks his head up, you know, it's going to get shot off.

Don Rosenberg, I mentioned, was Roy Cohn's, one of Roy Cohn's assistants in New York. City. Roy Cohn, in fact, being a fag, was opposed to the gay rights bill in the early 70s in New York City. But he, you know, he's not going to be seen as your typical Jew, not for a million years. And certainly not on Rosenberg, who stopped being a Jew and in fact became a monarchist. That's why the monarchist today is because of him. So that's a little different than what. what these other guys have been talking about. Don Rosenberg is a monarchist, nationalist, well, an anti-Semite.

Yeah, he would be called that. The guys that we've been talking about have not been, or not. The Jewish Tribune replied them from Paris a few months later, quote, the question of Jewish responsibility for the Russian Revolution has hitherto only been posed by anti-Semites. Oh, God. But now, quote, there is a whole penitent and accusative movement. Apparently, quote, we have not to, we have to not only blame others, but also admit our own faults.

Wow. Yet there is nothing new apart from the same old boring name counting of Jews among Bolsheviks. Too late. Did Mr. Landau come to love the old statehood? Penitent Jews turned reactionaries? Their words are incompatible with the dignity. of the Jewish people and are completely irresponsible. Especially offensive was this attempt to separate the popular anti-Semitism from the

official one, attempting to prove that the people, the society, the country, the entire populace hates the Jews and considers them the true culprit responsible for all national woes. Just like those who connive the pogroms, they repeat the old canard about the popular anger. Sometimes it descended into outright abuse. Quote, this group of Berlin journalists and activists, which has nearly disappeared from the Jewish public life by now, craves to put themselves into limelight again. And for that, they could think of no better way than to attack their own compatriots, Russian Jews. This, quote, tiny group of loyalists Jews are blinded by a desire to turn the wheel of history backward.

They write indecencies, give comical advice, take on themselves the ridiculous role of healers to cure. national wounds. They should remember that sometimes it's better to stay quiet. This is what happens when the Jews are confronted with this. Not from me, not from you, but from one of their own. This is the tirade that you get. So what's going on in their brain that causes this tirade? I love the name listing. Well, there's no other way to do it. the name listing that that's how you know who's in charge of what if i want to find on to whose secretary of labor i got to go find the name um they're just they're angry they know that

you know they're basically right but they just don't want to be held to any responsibility here although from the point of view of landau or anyone like that why stay jewish just convert at this point you're not Jewish in their eyes and you're not a religious Jew clearly why why do why stay jewish um maybe they could have we don't really know he doesn't say but um but you see the anger this at this snarling irritation of the uh jewish intelligentsia against some of these guys landau and and others um this this utter contempt and for saying what is you know pretty moderate pretty

basic statements and we're just not allowed to list the names anymore apparently well you see it today too i mean um you have a friend dave smith who has been very critical of israel i mean he doesn't take on the jq or anything but he's very critical of israel and douglas murray wrote an article in which he in it he said something like smith who is allegedly a jew Like, if you criticize Israel, you can't be a Jew. And this is being written by a British homosexual. What a life. What a world we live in.

Unbelievable. One sophisticated modern critic could find a better assessment for that collection than a severe hysteria. Both that attempt, quote, and their later journey are genuine tragedies, in his opinion and explains this tragedy as a self-hatred complex. but that's what he mean that's the hysteria that's going on in their minds this um cognitive dissonance that comes out in in this in this vicious anger um and being called you know self-hating means you're weak uh childish um you know you're not a jew in the eyes of jews when they start talking to you about like this or about you like this yet was beekerman hateful when he He wrote on his later tragic journey that, quote,

The Jewish people is not a sect, not an order, but a whole people dispersed over the world, but united it in itself. It has raised up the banner of peaceful labor and has gathered around this banner as around the symbol of godly order. I don't know how familiar with you or your listeners are within Turricarta and Rabbi David Weiss. I knew him, he was a friend of mine for a while This is the big anti-Zionist Jewish organization Orthodox Jewish organization They went to the Iran Talmud I'm sorry Iran Holocaust conference

They were condemned by every Jew on the planet Their synagogue was burned down And I think I've mentioned this before I called them up Oh yeah this is the JDO The J.D.L? No, the JDO. I could tell by the way that they were dressed and everything. So he did get a peek at them. It's a miracle they weren't inside. So it would be the same thing. Now, at least they're of a very eccentric type of orthodoxy, but these other guys weren't.

These guys were just plain old Jews. And Natura Carta is much larger than I thought they were. because when the ADL tried to protest them right at their before it was burned down there were a big synagogue in Muncie there was a huge number of them in the hats and everything else I said my God where these guys come from

and I think a lot of these guys came from Jerusalem and their whole line is the Iranians are right this country has to be taken apart piece by piece for there to be any healing at all in the Middle East. Israel has no right to exist. Now, they'll also say that when the Messiah comes, it'll be a different story. But as of right now, Israel's nothing

but a bane on the world, they're staying on the world. And I've heard him say that a thousand times. But that's a fairly much larger organization than I thought they were. They became infamous over the years. But I knew a couple of them. I knew a Feldman. I knew We protested together a couple of times in Washington, D.C., and, um, but in Turric Carty has always put out some really good material on their point of view, what the Holocaust is, what, um, what the programs were, and they were a huge part of my development many, many years ago. I was still with Willis Carter at the time. This happened. In fact, uh, Rabbi Weiss spoke at one of our board interview conferences. I invited him to come over, and he had a, he had a

He had a big, excellent speech, and he got a big ovation. But at least there, you are, you're an orthodox sect that goes back a long way. These guys don't even have that. You know, these guys should just convert and get it over with. However, it is not true that European or emigrate Jews did not at all hark to such explanations or warnings. A similar discussion had taken place a little earlier in 1922. In the reestablished Zionist publication at Osvet, the nationalist G.I. Schechtmann expressed his incomprehension at how the intelligentsia of other nationalities could be anything other than nationalistic.

An intelligentsia is invariably connected to its own nationality and feels its pain. A Jew cannot be a Russian Democrat, but naturally a Jewish Democrat. I do not recognize dual national or democratic loyalties, and if the Russian intelligence does not identify with its nationality, it is simply because until now, it has not had the opportunity or need to feel sharp pains over its national identity to worry about it.

But that has changed now. Now the Russian intelligentsia has to cast aside its aspersions to be a universal all-Russian intelligentsia and instead to regard itself as the great Russian democracy. Well, you see, you know, today, that's the opposition's, of President Putin. And quoting Alexander Herzin here may be a bad idea because he

condemned the monarchy long before the revolution. He's a 19th century figure. And then figured, I'm going to leave the country. I can't take it here anymore. And he went to Britain and he said, I want to go home. I cannot handle the bourgeois mentality here. And he converted entirely. So now here's it gets read quite a bit as a liberal theorist

but not a whole lot in your typical university course they're going to be talked about when he converted when he changed entirely when he actually went over there and lived I think he lived in I don't know if he lives in France too but mostly in London and he just oh oh oh this is what the nationalists and Russia are talking about oh damn all right I can't I don't like this either

and he came home and was a very different near the end of his life but so here's maybe a bad idea but the great Russian democracy or the great Russian liberal is really what they're talking about here

the bourgeois identity this is this is a regime this is you know corporate capital today in 2025 and this is the opposition to Vladimir Putin this is the opposition to Alexander Lukashenko

So, you know, maybe under Bolivism, they might seem like allies, but not today. We got one more paragraph, then we got a vibe shift. It was difficult to counter. The gauntlet was picked up by P.N. Milikov, though not very confidently. We remember, see Chapter 11, that back in 1909, he had also expressed horror at the unveiling of this stinging, unpleasant national question. who benefits. But now this new awkward situation, and not a change in Milikov's views, when so many Russian intellectuals and emigration suddenly realized that they lost their Russia, forced Milikov to amend his previous position. He replied to Schachtmann, though in a rather ambiguous manner and not

in his own highly popular post-ledni novosti, but in the Jewish Tribune with much smaller circulation, to the effect that a Russian Jew could and had to be a Russian Democrat. Milikov treaded carefully, quote, but when this demand is fulfilled and there appears a new national face of Russian democracy, the Great Russian, while wouldn't Shekman be first to get scared at the prospect of empowerment of ethnically conscious great Russian democracy with imperial ambitions? Oh, boy.

Do we then need these phantoms? Is this what we wish to ruin our relations over? I don't know what he means. It's almost like now I hear the words. Is he saying that, okay, yeah, you're saying that every people should be nationalistic, but then they become nationalistic and that scares you? Yes, that seems like what he's trying to say there. Yeah, then he becomes imperial, they become imperialist at this, at this moment.

And if, if Jews acted like any other minority group in the Russian Empire, nothing bad would have happened to them. I've listed them all, often very wealthy ones. No, but they, as we know, from reading this book from months ago, they, there's a reason that they were considered the enemy. there was a reason that there was a great contempt for them even today the average russian has nothing but contempt for for the jew today i think now the jewish population of russia is 0.01% of the entire population um and there's a reason for that by the way um you know the chabadniks are the only thing that that remains and that's mostly a ukrainea eastern

Ukrainian thing, to whatever's left of it. So, yeah, I do think that's what he means. But of course, there's more to the story. It's, I get the impression that by intelligentsia, you know, and it's also neat to, and it said this elsewhere, that intelligentsia often just means liberal. It's like a typical university profession. I don't know where they go, they tend to be leftists. I don't know why this is everywhere, even small schools, all that.

um so um yeah empowerment of ethnically conscious great russian democracy i don't know where the democracy fits in there but yes then they have imperial ambitions in other words they exist is that where you is that where you uh cut off that's where i cut off uh yeah you seem to be that that seems to be abrupt that's no problem well that's a good that's a good place to stop because then we're um he's getting into the emigraves lived in an atmosphere of not just verbal tension. So he's going to get into some sensational, a sensational murder trial. So we will save that for the next episode and pick it up.

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It's triumphant. It's extraordinary. And I could give your listeners more for details over the next few weeks. But it's very, very exciting. Awesome. I look forward to hearing about it. I have a guess, but I'll probably, I never guessed, right? Yeah.

So I'll, uh, yeah, I thought maybe, I thought maybe it could, could be guessed. Yeah. But, uh, but, you know, I love, I love how they're. covering the Hamas thing, you know, these are people who have been tried, you know, Mossad has been trying to infiltrate, you know, Hamas for years. They've succeeded in many, in many, they finally caught a couple of them and they shot them. And then the media reports are they're shooting random people in the street or public executions as if without any context or any understanding, you know, but it should be, it should, but the very fact that

Israel has to leave, Hamas gets to stay, well, guess who won that war? Yeah, the, yeah, I'm not even going to talk about it. Hell will, it's just something to watch until, I assume we're all expecting Israel to renege on this and just go back to being Israel. Of course. But, you know, they are in a lot of trouble. They have high desertion rates. Their economy is in the tank. Iran has flattened so many of their military buildings and institutions. Yeah, the Rothschilds better come through for them. You know, they're very deeply in trouble, not to mention the fact that two of his major, those weirdo settler parties have left. his coalition, lest I heard. So this is very costly for him, for Netanyahu. All right.

We're going to finish up, finish up the chapter we've been reading today. So this may be a little bit of shorter one, but yeah, let's get to it. All right, picking up where we left off last time. The emigrees lived in an atmosphere of Natchez's verbal tension. There was a sensational murder trial in Paris in 1921. 27 of a clockmaker, Samuel Schwartz Bard, who lost his whole family. Is it a what? It sounds like a typical Russian name, right?

Yeah, Schwartz Bard. I just, I read the first part of that, and I just, yeah. I would change my name if I were him. Pretty much. I would change my name. What does it mean? Black something? Black Bard?

What is Bard? I don't know. Okay. I know. who lost his whole family in the pogroms in Ukraine and who killed Petlura with five bullets. Evestia sympathetically reported on the case and printed Schwarzbarred's portrait.

The defense raised the stakes claiming that the murder was a justified revenge for Petlora's pogroms. Quote, the defendant wished and felt a duty to raise the issue of anti-Semitism before the world's conscience. End quote. The defense called many witnesses to testify that during the Civil War, Petlora had been

personally responsible for pogroms in Ukraine. The prosecution suggested that the murder had been ordered by Cheka. Quote, Schwartz Bard, agitated, called out from his place. The witness doesn't want to admit that I acted as a Jew and so claims I'm a Bolshevik. End quote. Well, that's just redundant. Schwarzbard was acquitted by the French court. Denneken, a leading white general during the Civil War, was mentioned at that trial, and

Schwarzbard's lawyer proclaimed, quote, If you wish to bring Dennegan to trial, I am with you. I would have defended the one who would have taken revenge upon Denneken with the same passionate commitment as I am here defending the man who had taken revenge upon Petlura, end quote. And as Denneken lived in Paris without guards, anyone wishing to take revenge upon him had an open road. However, Denikin was never put on trial. A similar murder happened later in Moscow in 1929 when Lazar Kolenberg shot the former white general Schlashev, who after the civil war returned to Russia and served in Soviet military, for doing nothing to stop pogroms in Nikolaev. quote, during the investigation, the accused was found to be mentally incompetent to stand trial and released, end quote.

During Schwartzbard's trial, the prosecutors were parallel to another notorious case, that of Boris Kovreda, for Petlura had previously lived in Poland, but, quote, you, speaking for Schwarzbard, did not attempt to kill him there, as you knew that in Poland you would be tried by military tribunal, end quote. In 1929, a young man Boris Koverta also, quote, wishing to present a problem before the world's conscience had killed the Bolshevik sadist Voikov. He was sentenced to 10 years in jail and served his full term. Right. That shouldn't shock anybody. That last bit shouldn't shock anybody.

Remember, a few months ago, we talked about all of the leftist terrorists who were not repatriated to Russia. before World War I began clearly letting everyone know what side that was also in France actually as much as I dislike Petlure in the directory I think he destroyed whatever chance Ukraine had for a normal existence

at the time we've been through this about his complete rejection of the pogroms became anything that the Jews found inconvenient. I don't believe him for too, you know, his whole family had been killed in pogroms. I don't, I don't believe that either. Somehow that was enough of an excuse to justify it.

However, the Bolshevik Evoykov, who I've forgotten about, actually, to be honest with you, but he was well known at the time as a lunatic, killing him where that was out of the question. The Soviet Union is a wave of the future. The fact that he was acquitted, this has happened several times since before and since, and even within Russia itself, that murderers get released by a sympathetic jury. I assume it was a jury in this case. But pogroms had just become the Jewish identity. that it become core Jewish religion, despite the fact, again, I hate repeating myself, but I don't know, maybe there's new people listening here. Programs are largely mythology, the times where it actually did occur, it occurred for good reason.

The Jews were terrorists before World War I, especially as we talked about in 1905, 1906, attempted revolution. we also talk to me know it's um um um and then to bring up the Nikan I cannot

he was the head of the white army for a while um near the end so the poggown is being mythical or occurring for a good reason

remember the Jews in in Russia they were armed, they were well-organized, they weren't just sitting there studying Talmud. You know, pogroms occurred. No other minority ever had this problem. It's just most of the time there were far more Russian bodies than Jewish bodies at the end of any kind of conflict.

In a program, the way the Jews defined it in the very early era of the Soviet Union was any name calling or anything like that. And my article on, I'll have to send it to you. My article on the legislation, the Leninist legislation against anti-Semites even mentions it. It's just, they just flipped out at the tiniest little thing. And they realized, and Lenin said it over and over again. Anti-Semitism just means anti-Soviet.

anti-Soviet means anti-Semitic that's as close as you're going to get to a full admission of what the Bolshevik movement was that's why they were so vehemently opposed to it there were some left-wing anti-Semites it did make sense but that was cost ideological uniformity was very important to the Bolsheviks

but I don't know what he means the Nikolaev issue I don't know white general Slotchev, I don't know who that is. And then he returned and served in a Soviet military and yet he was found to be military mentally incompetent.

Was that PTSD? I don't know what's going on here. But anybody who served in the White Army was by definition an anti-Semitic and should be killed for that reason alone. And yet,

Cabrida, he does something similar, at least to, you know, as the Schwarzwart did, and he gets sentenced to 10 years. And there were many other examples of this throughout Europe at the time. You know, how

they define a pogrom is pretty laughable since so many of the Bolsheviks, the mid-level, high-level, even at the lower level of the red movement in what used to be Russia or Jews, any opposition to them would be conceived as an anti-Semitic act. And I think London went very, came very close to admitting it by that slogan that he said over and over again. Anti-Soviet means anti-Semitic.

Anti-Semitic means anti-Soviet. And he said, you know, Trotskyy. said it, most of the leadership in the Soviet Union said it at the time. And those anti-Semitic laws that Lenin laid down lasted right up until, almost right up until the end. A white emigre from revolutionary terrorist Boris Savinkov's camp, Captain V. F. Clementeev told me that in Warsaw at that time, former Russian officers were abused as white guard rascals and that they were not served in Jewish. own shops. Such was the hostility, and not just in Warsaw.

Russian emigrades all over Europe were flattened by scarcity, poverty, hardship, and they quickly tired of the showdown over who is more to blame. Anti-Jewish sentiments among them abated in the second half of the 1920s. During these years, Vasili Shulgin wrote, Are not our visa ordeals remarkably similar to the oppression experienced by Jews? in the palest settlement? Yeah, that's identical. Yeah. Art Arnansen passports.

These are internationally recognized identification cards, first issued by the League of Nations to stateless refugees, which are a sort of wolf ticket obstructing movement, reminiscent of the Jewish religion label, which we stamped in Jewish passports in Russia, thereby closing many doors to them. Do we not resort to all kinds of middleman jobs when we are unable to attain because of our particular

position, a civil servant post, or a certain profession? Are we not gradually learning to work around laws that are inconvenient to us precisely as Jews did with our laws and for which we criticize them? Oh, he's so profound. Oh, he's playing on my heartstrings here. You know, it's bizarre that an Irishman, Anglo-Irishman in America in 2025 knows far more about Russian history than Vassili Shulgin does. Again, we've been through this many times before. They were Jews in Imperial Russia throughout the 19th century were a privileged minority. All the attempts to subsidize their, you know, trying to get them on the land.

And, you know, and in return they get nothing but contempt and criminality. Jews were not going to take the jobs that he's talking about. They certainly weren't going to support the goy monarchy, the goy monarchy, with capital letters, the goy monarchy. It was the last thing they were going to do. and when they claim to be, I don't know, you know, carpenters or something like that, they were lying. So this is just, you know, it's bad history and it's not logical. They're playing, he's playing on heartstrings here. No, they're not the same.

They don't come close to being the same. And I don't seem to recall Jews in exile, whether it be prior to the revolution, or even after it, being impoverished or suffering like this. It seems to be the only the whites. I'm sorry. Not to mention, I mean, if this was happening in Poland, I mean, I would assume that a lot of the people who were doing this to them were Jewish. And throughout Europe, who had gotten out and who had gotten out of Russia or who were, you know, had been German, had been in Germany or been in Europe. or been in Europe for for a couple centuries and they were in charge and they were just

paying them back as they could. Does that make is, is that possible? Yeah, we rephrase that. What do you mean? I mean, they're saying that Russians would, were being denied, were being denied, like working in the state, working, you know, getting good jobs. So they had to resort to middlemen thing. They were being treated just like Jews were being treated.

Well, I mean, is it possible that it was Jews in charge who were, you know, treating them that way? It is more than possible. Absolutely is the case. But Shulgin doesn't know that. I'm always suspicious when you hear a guy like him, and I've read Shulgin before, that he's in debt to one of them. This happened in Russia with all, remember all the commissions we used to laugh about, one after another? So many of these Gentiles and these commissions were likely to make the Churchill family deeply in debt to Jewish money lenders. In Tostoevsky wrote a great, one of my favorite novels, The Gambler, which took place, of course, abroad, and Russians had a propensity to it.

They really did. And I'm just wondering if sometimes they get in a little bit over their heads, and so where do you go? and this kind of nonsense, this is a historical nonsense, maybe it comes from that. But no, no, if you were in the room with me today, I would slap them, and I would say, no, they're not even remotely similar. Yet during these same years, anti-Jewish sentiments were on the rise in the USSR and were even reported in the Soviet press causing distress among Jewish emigraves. So in May 1928, a public debate on anti-Semitism was organized in Paris among them.

A report of it was placed in Milikov's newspaper, Beekerman's and Pasmanix group, already non-active, did not participate. Remember, Beekman and Pasmonic, they were Jews who almost but not quite converted away from it. And they thought that at least to some extent the Jews had dug their own grave. grave in that regard. So just people who hadn't, who haven't heard previous episodes, that's what those two are. The formal reason for the debate was a strong, a strong rise of Judeophobia in Russia, a phenomenon that periodically occurs there. The socialist revolutionary N.D. Afkentiev chaired the debate, and there were more Russians than Jews among the public. Mark Sloanim explained that, quote, the long-oppressed Russian jury, having finally attained

freedom, has dashed to secure formerly prohibited positions, and this annoys Russians. Quote, in essence, the past fatefully determined the present. Bad things of the past, Zara's times, resulted in bad consequences. S. Ivanovich stated that Jews were now tormented, in the USSR because it has become impossible to torment the bourgeois thanks to the NEP. But what is worrying is that the Russian intelligency in the USSR, although neutral on the Jewish question, now takes the liberty to think, good. It will begin with anti-Semitism and lead to the Russian freedom. What a dangerous and foolish illusion. It's really hard to, when something is uttered so opposite of the

truth. It just, it's just, you have to, you have to go way back and explain how awful this is. The public will take three hours. They denies Russian, this is a completely different system. Prohibitive positions, Jews were rewarded. They were developing, you know, the NEP was, you know, the Jews dominated the NEP. That's true. But war communism and then what happened after the NEP, the, the community, the community,

manned economy functioned. So if you were a sugar, a sugar, a sugar mill owner in Ukraine, for example, you just became a commissar there. If you were Jewish, generally speaking. You talked about that with a gold mine and that, that group, Ginsburg, since I really didn't have very many technically able people. Jews were just sent anywhere there so he's also claiming that well it's it's it's

communists who are doing this like the Jews don't dominate the Communist Party and the NAP was very Jewish and the intelligency in the USSR is not what's not neutral on the Jewish question whatsoever I is every

every syllable that this guy um uh right is incorrect. It's really hard to, you'd have to take it apart bit by bit and it's just, and the fact that he would talk about consequences.

The last thing in the world that a Jew understands his consequences. Such apologetic ideas outraged the next orator, V. Grossman, quote, it is as if jury stands accused, end quote. The question needs to be considered more deeply.

Quote, there is no reason to distinguish Soviet anti-Semitism from the anti-Semitism of old Russia. That is to say, there is still the same black hundredism so dear to Russian hearts. Quote, this is not a Jewish question, but a Russian one, a question of Russian culture. But if it is so quintessentially Russian, entirely Russian, inherently Russian, inherently Russian problem, then what can be done? What need then for a mutual dialogue? Well, yeah, there isn't. They go to prison, and that's exactly how it was seen.

Grossman is just as bad as all the others. He can't compute that the Jews who were running, so many elements of the USSR at the time, were tormenting everybody. And that's why you had some name calling at a factory. Later on gets called the program. In my paper on the legislation, I go through all these examples in detail, a Russian Jew who's a difficult employee, who gets moved to a different area or who gets fired or whatever, that's itself almost a pogrom. And then later on it gets exaggerated and exaggerated and exaggerated over the years.

They have no conception of consequences to any of their actions. In other words, what this Grossman seems to be saying is being anti-Jewish is built into the Russian DNA. And hence, the only thing you could do is eliminate them. I'm not sure. I mean, I think he's thinking that in the back of his mind. You can't get rid of it if it's that inherent. Therefore, you eliminate them. And I think that was the point of view of the early Soviet Union, too.

The author of the debate report, S. Latofssev, regretted post-factum that it was necessary to find for the debate, quote, several honest people, brave enough to acknowledge their anti-Semitism and frankly explain why they are anti-Semites, who would say simply, without evasiveness, I don't like this and that about Jews. Alongside, there should have been several equally candid Jews who would say, and we don't like this and that about you. Rest assured, such an honest and open exchange of opinions with goodwill and a desire for mutual comprehension would be really beneficial for both Jews and Russians and for Russia. This was simply a monologue. This is how Jews began to believe their twisted view of the world was correct. I have a conference with people from different organizations all saying the same things. Therefore, it has to be true. it's kind of like

American academics now you know they don't have access to our material through censorship through fear and though they so they only know us

through caricature it's like a Jew reading the New York Times on Sunday morning which is a completely Jewish paper getting the Jewish ideology read back to him as news as fact

of course they weren't going to have anybody on this that was anti-Judaic there was no chance of it there were probably hundreds of thousands who were who could fit the bill and could destroy them and debate very usually saying here's what you're doing over there hence maybe this is why we don't like you so um you know this it's dishonest but this is typically how jews work uh And, of course, they were doing far better than the ex-white officers were in exile. Even the Russ for Orthodox Church outside of Russia, which started off in Yugoslavia.

That's where I got the name, Kholovsi Synod. And then there was a little bit of money there, but not much. And that's probably your best. They were the best off. Every once in a while you'd find a Russian monarchist with money Who would support who'd buy a church Who'd buy this, who'd buy that But that's about it

Jews were far more organized Since they'd been in exile anyway At least in their own minds They've been an exile for For a long time in Europe And they had all their networks mapped out So they weren't suffering at all One way or the other

Shulgin replied to this Quote Now among Russian emigreys surely one needs more bravery to declare oneself a phylo-semite, end quote. He extended his whole answer into a book, inserting Latofsev's question into the title, What We Don't Like About Them. Shulgin's book was regarded as anti-Semitic,

and the proposed inter-exchange of views never took place. Anyway, the impending catastrophe, coming from Germany, soon took the issue of any debate off the table. But that was still, I mean, catastrophe, I think we know what we're talking about, but that was still far into the future. I'm assuming this is still in the 1920s. 1928, I'm looking at the end notes, and this is all happening in 1928. So you still had a few more years. but what was what was the fundamental concern of the national socialists with Jews

is that they they were in charge of the Soviet Union which is a very rational position to take and what do Jews do when they have this stupid ideology they destroy as many Gentiles as they can and they were this is why this is why the Bolshevik Party was very much an ethnic party and they were the only ones that had the guts to say it. Even Mussolini was not anti-Semitic. You know, he was, he wasn't a deep thinker. I'm not a big fan of his, but

even Francisco Franco, as much as I love him, he wasn't. He was kind of all over the place on that. But national socialism then brought up a very, very different point of view. There is this third way. We have failing capitalism in the West, this, you know, in the Depression, or the beginning, or the very beginning of the Depression, and then failing or very harsh unlivable Marxism in the Soviet Union. There's only two choices? No, there is a third way, and that third way was national socialism. A union of Russian Jewish intelligentsia was created in Paris as if in the attempt to preserve a link between the two cultures.

Yet it soon transpired that, quote, life and exile had created a chasm between fathers and sons, and the latter no longer understood what a Russian Jewish intelligentsia is. So the father sadly acknowledged that, quote, the Russian Jews who used to leave global Jewry and spiritual art and in the nation building now virtually quit the stage. Before the war, the Union had managed to publish only the first issue of collection Jewish world. During the war, those who could fled across the ocean and untiringly created the Union of Russian Jews in New York City and published a second issue of the Jewish

world. In the 1960s, they published the book of Russian Jewry in two volumes about pre- and post-revolutionary Jewish life in Russia. The bygone life and the bygone Russia still attracted their minds. The big difference between the Jewish diaspora and the Russian one, especially when they got to America, was that Jews learned the language. They did speak German. They did speak French. They did speak English. And this book, among others, became the standard. This was how, I guess this was how Jews were treated under the Tsars, etc. While the church outside Russia and the military union and everything else, they spoke Russian, very fearful of outsiders, for good reason. They still are. You know, the old timers still are. I've experienced

that myself. Not knowing who you are, you have to prove yourself, as I did when I was in grad school. That was among Ukrainians, but the same idea. Jews were propagandists. They were almost natural propaganda. They were natural salesmen. It took a long time for the Russian emigre group to learn English. And it wasn't going to do that long ago that it started.

And still, to this day, a fraction of their writings have been translated into English. One sentence left. In this work, I cite all these books with gratitude and respect. And that's the end of the chapter. Okay. Well, it'll be a short show. There's always so much to take in here. You know, I speak very quickly.

I speak very quickly because I know way too much about these topics. I'm trying to not overload anybody, try not to overload myself. I know a lot of these people, personal experience as well as, of course, the academic stuff. And my personal experience is interesting in both Russians and Ukrainians, the old-timers. They're all gone now. But even that first generation, of white emigrates, monarchists. They were treated very harshly by their home government.

I said this before. There was a huge literary attack on Sultan Eaton. Once it became clear what he really was concerning the Jews. Ivan Ely and people like that, they were always being tagged by whatever the relevant intelligence agency was. There's a long FBI report on on Zulzanian. Eaton. They didn't trust them. You had too many

Marxist academics and journalists who loved the USSR who were given either lying or given bad information and eventually it trickles down and so they were considered you know,

aliens They believe in monarchy, really? You know, there was always a deep, and especially the Crimean War was still there. The propaganda of the Crimean War and afterwards from the British press and the American press, it continued. We talked about this at great length. The anti-Russian stuff that came out of the American press from 1840s onward, we quoted a few people. England and America was tremendous

that didn't just go away it's still there a lot of people talk about the war between Russia and the U.S. as a new Cold War and I laugh condescendingly at them because that's not what it is

there was way too much trade and support of the Soviet Union from the U.S. for that to be the case there were no sanctions on the Soviet Union throughout most of its life no it's a new Crimean War and that makes the most sense

where Russia had to yet again take on almost all of Europe with the exception of Germany because they were not before German unification but the Prussians and Russians always had a positive respect for each other until the British

rebels were to manipulate into World War I. So this isn't something that someone could just this is why we're full timers. Let me put it this way this stuff just doesn't come and you read a couple of books and you get to know this stuff this comes from years of writing and discussions and conferences which i don't go to anymore and my own personal experience with some of these people um i've ever met solton eat soon but i knew people who knew them um and then years and years go by and you start to get settled in in your point

of view you learn a little bit of the language i could read some of this stuff and um which is what I do on my show, you know, I bring up all these people who haven't been translated yet, especially in Russian, which is very important to do because these are brilliant men that no one knows even exists outside of very specialized circles, not very specialized hostile circles. But Schultzen-Eason is being, you know, he's being nice about it. he's clearly implying what I'm saying but because Schultzhen

experienced it personally it's very clear and even just in the Gulag archipelago you talk so many of the Jews so many of the

tormentors in that had Jewish names that wasn't an accident that was from personal experience and we could list out the names if anyone wanted to

won't change their minds but but that's still that's not enough quoting a few phrases from the Talmud the same group that everyone quotes that's not enough it requires a long time it requires a tremendous amount of thought and writing

and discussion and criticism and self-criticism before you can come out with a real rational understanding of these events and at 53 years old I think I'm at that point now and and the problem is it leaves me alone. There are a handful like me,

a lot of people plagiarize me. I've spawned an entire cottage industry of people who've come after me of the Russian royalist stuff, politically speaking, and their relation to the rest of the world. I've talked about, I'm not going to mention anyone,

but people know who I mean. And I either, I'm flattered, sometimes I'm upset because they won't even say a thank you, but this takes a long time to do. This is not a part-time job. This is not something you can just read in a book.

We do read and discuss, but it takes many years of understanding, not to mention the church, the Greeks that we receive there. Russian culture was the Orthodox Church. It's almost bizarre to consider Russian culture without it. I guess it would just be the language. But even there, the language was purified by the Soviets,

a little different than it was in the pre-revolutionary Aaron. But still, what is Russian culture without the church? It's nothing. It's a slogan that you can use in your political theory paper. Jewish world news. All right. Well, when we come back on the next episode, we'll be starting chapter 18 called in the

1920s, which, as you've already, I think you've said, Most of this past chapter was in the 1920s. So in other words, this is tremendous detail here. You guys, people who are listening to this, you guys know far more than the Russian specialists at the closest university about Russia in this period of time. I guarantee it. Unless they're really quiet about it, which I doubt, this is filling in so many gaps in people's minds.

And Solzhenitin being Solzhenitsyn, you know, you have to take him seriously. You can't ignore him. So, yeah, this is highly detailed. It wasn't earlier, like for medieval Russia, we weren't there for that long. But in the 20s, this is a huge, this is an earth-shattering. The world was never the same again. This is a world-changing event, obviously speaking. and Russia as always was at the center of the world

and now to the center of the world yet again because this this is being repudiated although sometimes I worry about Putin with the World War II stuff irritates me to no end with that patriotic war stuff but I guess I understand it I don't like it But the same Crimean war mentality exists even today against him and people think that Russia are going to be invading Wyoming tomorrow unless we give trillions of dollars to Ukraine. I wish I was joking about that.

Yeah, this is the time that Nolte wrote about and said basically this is the European Civil War. And the reason why you're having a European Civil War is because Bolshevism won in Russia. Bolshevism took over Russia And then you had One of the biggest factors Yeah, it's not the biggest factor Because you know The Korean War

The Vietnam War everything in the third world In the 1960s You had communist and anti-communist Soviet involvement U.S. involvement In response to it It affected everything And not to mention

The 20s were this period where no one was quite sure they were going to stay in power. And, you know, that was, it took a little while for people to realize that. You know, some of the Russian emigrates did think they were going home after a while. How could they possibly function like this? They're putting incompetence in positions of power. Russia used to feed the world and now they're starving. how long would that possibly last?

I suppose you can't starve if you're in a gulag or dead. All righty. As we do at the end of every episode, go over to the show notes. I have links to how you can support Dr. Johnson's work, the descriptions of the videos as well. So please go do that, and we'll be back in a couple days with a new chapter, Chapter 18. And as always, thank you so much, Dr. Johnson.

really appreciate everything you do no thank you i appreciate you and uh it's been a wonderful time so far painful but wonderful it's not over take care now that's right that's right all right man see you