The Pete Quiñones Show - Reading Solzhenitsyn's '200 Years Together' w/ Dr. Matthew Raphael Johnson - Episodes 91-100

Episode Date: January 28, 2026

8 Hours and 42 MinutesPG-13Dr. Matthew Raphael Johnson is a researcher, writer, and former professor of history and political science, specializing in Russian history and political ideology.Here are e...pisodes 91-100 in which Pete reads Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's '200 Years Together," and Dr' Johnson provides commentary.Borhy Splacheni Krovyu: The Foundations and Causes of the Russo-Ukrainian War of 2022-2025Communist Misrule in Soviet Kazakhstan: The Ideological and Ethnic Nature of the Goloshchyokin Genocide (1930-1933)‘Crushing the Resistance’ – Joseph Stalin’s Ukrainian Genocide RevisitedStalin the Eternal Philosemite: Soviet-American Joint Support for Zionism in the 1940sDr Johnson's PatreonDr Johnson's CashApp - $Raphael71RusJournal.orgTHE ORTHODOX NATIONALISTDr. Johnson's Radio Albion PageDr. Johnson's Books on AmazonDr. Johnson's Pogroms ArticleThe Unmentionable Genocide: New Khazaria, the Russian Revolutions and Soviet Legality in the 1920s by Dr. Matthew Raphael JohnsonWith Friends Like These. . . Patriarch St. Tikhon, General Anton Denikin and the Defeat of the White Armies, 1917-1922 by Dr. Matthew Raphael JohnsonThe Orthodox Nationalist: Karl Marx “On the Jewish Question” (1844)Pete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's SubstackPete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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Starting point is 00:01:10 I want to welcome everyone back to our reading of 200 years together by Alexander Solzhenison. This is episode 91. Dr. Johnson, how are you doing today? This book, this book is going to kill me. This book on the Ukraine War. It's going to be out tomorrow. you know, maybe even today, I got up at 11 this morning because I was just working at it and making sure everything was, you know, it's just, I am so sick of it. I'm telling you, man, I am so sick of this thing.
Starting point is 00:01:49 That's when I know I have to publish something. When I'm so sick of it, I don't even want to look at it. That's okay. Now it gets published. Yeah, writing about something. I couldn't imagine trying to write about something that's ongoing because so much, you know, happens. Well, yeah, and I have to be, you know, there's books out already on it. Same thing for the Iraq War and everything else.
Starting point is 00:02:15 But, you know, I make it very clear, you know, this is, you know, there's a lot of history in there and there's a lot of things. We have weaponry and stuff like that. So, yeah, I understand. This is the first time I'm actually doing a book about an ongoing event. So, you know, so the U.S. is never going to give up trying to hurt Russia for some reason. But this, this gambit failed badly. And two million Ukrainian men were killed. And it's a crime.
Starting point is 00:02:54 So someone has to pay for this. Well, I mean, I think with the reading we're doing, we know why. At least we have partial reason why the U.S. wants to destroy Russia. Yes. All right. Let's pick up where we left off last time.
Starting point is 00:03:13 All right. A vicious battle for the dominance within the party was waged between Trotsky and Stalin from 1923 to 1927. Later, Zinoviev fought for first place. equally confident of his chances. In 1926, Zinovian Khamanov, deceived by Stalin, united with Trotsky, the United Opposition, that is, three of the most visible Jewish leaders turned out on one side. Not surprisingly, many of the lower-ranked Trotskyites were Jewish.
Starting point is 00:03:44 Agorski cites A. Seliga, exiled with Trotsky and the Urales. quote, indeed the Trotskyites were young Jewish intellectuals and technicians, particularly from left bundists. Quote, the opposition was viewed as principally Jewish, and this greatly alarmed Trotsky. In March of 1924, he complained to Bukharin that among the workers it is openly stated, the kikes are rebelling, and he claimed to have received hundreds of letters on the topic. Bukharin dismissed it as trivial. Then, quote, Trotsky tried to bring the question of anti-Semitism, to a Politburo session, but no one supported him, end quote.
Starting point is 00:04:26 More than anything, Trotsky feared that Stalin would use popular anti-Semitism against him in their battle for power, and such was partially the case against Uglanov, then-secretary of the Moscow Committee of the CP, quote, anti-Semitic cries were heard, end quote, during Uglinov's dispersal of pro-Trottsky demonstration in Moscow, November 7, 1927. You know, so much of today's left comes from this very battle. Trotky, in their imagination, represents the best of the USSR. You know, he should have taken power. It would have been a wonderful, would have been a utopia by now,
Starting point is 00:05:09 despite the fact that they were identical when it came to basic policy. Now, when he was an exile, of course he's going to criticize the party in Stalin for, you know, for a lot of things. But if he were in power, he would have done the same thing. It has to be made very clear that that Trotsky and Stalin were basically identical when it came to ideology and even policy. When he was head of the Red Army, I mean, there was no doubt. Now, as far as the Jewish issue at this point,
Starting point is 00:05:48 Well, and actually I learned this from, well, from many others, but from Sultan Ech and too, we'll get into this issue that, you know, he, Stalin did not use this, this so-called anti-Semitism. He continued to enforce Lenin's decree. So I just, I just, we need to destroy the myth that Stalin was really that different from Lenin, the different differences that, um, Stalin, you know, was in a much better position and much more secure position than Lenin was. Maybe Stalin considered playing the anti-Semitism card against the United Opposition,
Starting point is 00:06:30 but his superior political instinct led him away from that. He understood that Jews were numerous in the party at that time and could be a powerful force against him if his actions were to unite them against him. They were also needed in order to maintain support from the West and would be a first, used to him personally. He never parted from his beloved assistant Lev Meckless and from the Civil War at Saritzin, his faithful aide, Moses Rukimovich. I noticed how you started reading more slowly at that point. You know, the very concept of support from the West, it isn't like they were ignorant as to what was going on in the USSR under Stalin. They simply
Starting point is 00:07:19 lied about it. Intellectuals began their long march through the institutions, as they call it, taking over universities and the rest. The media already was dominated by Jews. And of course, he's also talking about the major financial institutions in London. But it does make a mockery of Marxism. You know, Marxism says if, you know, the climate, mean, it's come to power someplace. The world can unite against them. The capitalist could unite against them, which in a superficial way, it kind of makes sense. But nope, they saw an opportunity, not an enemy. Well, what I saw in that half a sentence was that the West knew that this movement in Russia was Jewish. Oh, sure. They will not, which no one will admit now. Yeah, the closest
Starting point is 00:08:17 you can get is Churchill, the world crisis. He does mention. Well, not in that book. Communism or Zionism, I think, is the article. You know, it was very well known. Churchill mentions it publicly. Even under Stalin, it didn't matter. And keep in mind, despite the Jews, you know, Trotsky's movement was almost entirely Jewish. There were many, many, many Jews close to Stalin in the party.
Starting point is 00:08:48 regardless, who were in opposition to Trotsky. So Stalin was not this anti-Semitic lunatic, like, is depicted. But as Stalin's personal power grew towards the end of the 20s, a number of Jews in the Soviet apparatus began to fall off. It was no accident that he sent Eunich to take photographs among the Jewish delegates at a Workers' and Peasants Conference during the height of the struggle for party dominance. Yaroslovsky writes in Pravda. Quote, incidents of anti-Semitism are the same whether they are used against the opposition
Starting point is 00:09:28 or used by the opposition in its fight against the party. They are an attempt to use any weakness, any fissures in the dictatorship of the proletariat. There is nothing more stupid or reactionary than to explain the roots of opposition to the dictatorship of the proletariat as related to the nationality of this or the opposition group member or that opposition group member. At the same party Congress, the 25th, where the United Opposition was decisively broken, Stalin directed Ord Kund Kids to specifically address the national question in his report to the Central Committee as if in defense of Jews.
Starting point is 00:10:10 Statistics from the report were discussed earlier in this chapter. Quote, the majority of the apparatus is Russian, so any discussion of Jewish dominance has no basis whatsoever. End quote. At the 26-party conference in 1930, Stalin declared great Russian chauvinism to be the main danger of the national question. Thus, at the end of the 20s, Stalin did not carry out his plan purged of the party and government apparatus of Jews, but encouraged their expansion in many fields, places, and institutions. Yeah, this is key. This is a key issue, a key statement. Yeah, it's true that the Trotskyites were very, very Jewish. It's not a coincidence.
Starting point is 00:10:56 But great Russian chauvinism is nothing more than Russian nationalism. Russians weren't allowed to even be a part of even the mismanagement, the Communist Party of their own country. So this kind of removed the idea that Stalin was this nationalist. Now he used some of the symbols during the war But it went away as soon as the war was over So don't let you know the war That was that was something he just had to do
Starting point is 00:11:29 It was just a matter of of rallying the population So he knew by doing that That he you know this party was not particularly popular He didn't really have a right to rule The only way he can get people behind him Is if he used things that he was vehemently against you know, especially, you know, as a population was going down from the collectivization, the workers were, in these factories were worked almost to death in the early era of industrialization.
Starting point is 00:12:08 And, you know, the funny thing is, if the czarists had remained, Russia would have been a firmly industrialized power. You can be an industrialized power without being liberal, without being a part of the global regime. You can be industrialized without having this liberal democracy, even though, you know, he was quite representative. And on the local level, there was tremendous democracy in largely on an ethnic basis. So at this point, they were nowhere near what the Tsarish government was in terms of output and everything in 1913. At the 25th Congress in December 1927, the time had come to address the looming peasant question. What to do with the presumptuous peasantry, which had the temerity to ask for manufactured goods in exchange for their grain?
Starting point is 00:13:12 Molotov delivered the main report on this topic, and among the debaters, were the murderers of the peasantry, Schlichter and Yaakovlev Epstein. A massive war against a peasantry lay ahead, and Stalin could not afford to alienate any of his reliable allies and probably thought that in this campaign against a disproportionately Slavic population, it would be better to rely on Jews than on Russians. He preserved the Russian majority in the Gosblen. The commanding heights of the Jewish majority. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:13:44 He preserved the Jews. Jewish majority in the Gospon. The commanding heights of collectivization and its theory included, of course, Laren. Lev Kritzman was director of the Agrarian Institute from 1928. As assistant to the president of the Gospin, in 1931 through 33, he played a faithful role in the persecution of Kondrativ and Shayanov. Yakov, Yaakov Lev Epstein, took charge of People's Commissariat of Agriculture in 1929. Before that, he worked in propaganda field. He was in charge of the head department of political education since 1921. Later, in the Agitprop Division of Central Committee and in charge of press division of Central Committee. His career in agriculture began in 1923 when during the 13th Party
Starting point is 00:14:32 Congress, he drafted resolutions on agricultural affairs. And thus, he led the great change, the imposition of collectivization on millions of peasants with its zealous implementers on the ground. A contemporary writer reports, for the first time ever, a significant number of young Jewish communists arrived in rural communities as commanders and lords over life and death. Only during collectivization did the characterization of the Jew as the hated enemy of the peasant take hold, even in those places where Jews had never been seen before. There's no denying it. We've talked about this before as far as Jews being placed in Jews who would despise agriculture. How many hours have we spent on that in the Tsarist era?
Starting point is 00:15:17 And now, despite having zero background in the issue, never formed a day in their life, they're placed in charge of collectivization. Collectivization was a very nasty process. People were thrown together. There were tons of peasant rebellions, and they were put down with extreme violence. Of course, the West knew all about it. And this was the model that was done in every other communist country in the world after World War II. Russia's population was going down.
Starting point is 00:15:55 I mean, sorry, the Soviet Union's population was going down at this point. And these Jews, you imagine, you're a farmer, you're barely eeking a living thanks to the Soviet. And now these, some 20-year-old Jew, armed, you know, comes in and starts telling you, okay, you've got to pack up. you know, we're shutting down, you know, it's, it's, it's extraordinary to even think about what that was like. There was a massive, essentially mass murder of the peasantry at this point. They were totally against this. Remember, the collective is very different from the communal. The collective is just random unrelated people.
Starting point is 00:16:40 The state forces that. The communal, of course, is what Russia had for centuries, which the Soviets destroyed. The collectivization was, you know, creating these units, often very large units. Even the Chinese tried to, you know, have the collective raising of children, everything else. Stalin tried that too. you know as we mentioned Sunday was abolished and so many of these peasants
Starting point is 00:17:15 ended up rebelling and so you had essentially a massive civil war going on before the German invasion in 1941 but you know I love to seeing these guys these Jews who wouldn't know a hoe from a and either propagandists
Starting point is 00:17:34 or writers and Stalin puts them in charge of farming. It's having no clue what they're talking about. In other words, it's strictly political. And this was the beginning of true genocide in the Soviet system, and it's something that is inherent to Marxism in general. Of course, regardless of the percentage is used in the party in Soviet apparatus, it would be a mistake to explain the ferocious.
Starting point is 00:18:04 anti-peasant plan of communism as due to Jewish participation, a Russian could have been found in the place of Yaakovlev Epstein. That's sufficiently clear from our post-October history. I don't know why he's talking like that. I don't know who he's. He's trying to please somebody. I mean, he's maybe he's technically right. But there was a reason why Epstein was put in that spot. They were aware that they hated the peasantry, and the peasantry hated them going back, millennium. So, yeah, it is. You're right.
Starting point is 00:18:40 It's just, you know, trying to placate somebody. I'm not really sure who he's talking to there. But, you know, yeah, you could have put a rush in there. But he deliberately placed a Jew there, knowing full well the Jewish hatred of the peasantry and of agriculture. So, yeah, that's, that's, I don't like that at all. The cause and consequences of decoulicization and collectivization were not only social and economic. The millions of victims of these programs were not a faceless mass, but real people with traditions and cultures cut off from their roots and spiritually killed.
Starting point is 00:19:22 In its essence, decolicization was not a socioeconomic measure, but a measure taken against a nationality. The strategic blow against the Russian people who were the main obstacle to victory of communism was conceived of by Lenin, but carried out after his death. In those years, communism with all its cruelty was directed mostly against Russians. It is amazing that not everything has perished during those days. Collectivization, more than any other policy of the communists, gives the lie to the conception of Stalin's dictatorship as nationalists, i.e. Russian. This is this paragraph. This paragraph is tremendous. So much of what was happening is summarized here.
Starting point is 00:20:13 The Kulak, the Russian word for fist, it refers to, you know, anyone, essentially, it didn't really have a definition. If you can hire somebody at harvest time, you were at Kulok. that's essentially what it was it wasn't you know wealthy landlords you know like they would love love you to believe um i also you know i discovered that that kulok uh and it's much older of use of the word could also mean a dumbbell an idiot um and i found that in a russian dictionary i was consulting once uh it's not used that way anymore but so um But as I said, already said, this is not really an economic issue. It's a social issue.
Starting point is 00:21:09 And the point, of course, cutting them off from their roots, that's the point. People without roots don't rebel. There's no basis on which to rebel. Traditions and culture. Fill up your year with great travel moments. And while you look after making memories, we'll take care of the travel insurance end of things. So pack multitrip.com with all your holiday essentials. Get a quote today on multitrip.com.
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Starting point is 00:22:17 this part of this sentence here the strategic blow against the Russian people who were the main obstacle to the victory of communism and you have people out there talking about, you know, the Russian communism, the Russian, you know, Soviet Russian, you know, Soviet Russian, which is a contradiction in terms. And he is absolutely correct.
Starting point is 00:22:42 He's also correct to, you know, make sure that Lenin is part of it, because he did start this. Lennon was around long enough, you know. And a Russian nationalist movement for Stalin was terrifying. And this is why Stalin always remained pro-Jewish, because, of course, the Jews thought the same thing. And yeah, he's, you know, so many, and this is also the, you know, nationalist in Russia today. I am constantly battling. You know, Stalin is seen as a positive figure by some of the national bolsheviks and stuff. I don't know if that's fading or not, but a while ago it was pretty regular. And I just don't, you know, this makes a mockery of it.
Starting point is 00:23:42 Yeah, you could talk about a national bolivism, but only, you know, in the 70s and 80s when the Soviet Union was on its way to collapse, but certainly not now. the party at its height was Judaic and and its main focus was again I should have to include Ukraine too any any concept of these roots these spiritual roots especially had to be destroyed for this to work the collectivization the way it was conceived you can't have you know national You can't have traditionalist people, which of course the peasants were. And this is why so many of them were murdered.
Starting point is 00:24:27 This is why you had a civil war going on. And the West was aware of it. It didn't matter. They still invested heavily in the USSR. They invent things about Putin. He's a nationalist of a sort. But they had real issues with Stalin, and they didn't care.
Starting point is 00:24:47 You know, it makes such a mockery of the traditional history of the 20th century. The entire history of the 20th century has to be rewritten, and this is part of the reason why. Regarding the Jewish role in collectivization, it is necessary to remember the Jewish communists participated efficiently and diligently. Quoting a third wave immigrant who grew up in Ukraine,
Starting point is 00:25:16 I remember my father, my mother, aunts, uncles, all worked on collectivization, with great relish, completing five-year plans in four years and writing novels about life in factories. In 1927, Nizvestia declared, there is no Jewish question here. The October Revolution gave a categorical answer long ago. All nationalities are equal. That was the answer. However, when the dispossessors entering the peasant huts were not just commasars, but Jewish commasars, the questions still glowered in the distance.
Starting point is 00:25:52 Yeah, there's so many works of art from the time. One of my favorites is Easter Sunday where it's a painting and, you know, the church is packed and you see with obviously a Jewish man trying to break it up with, you know, with a handful of others. And, of course, they did. That was pretty regular. They did it all the time. There's no collectivization killed so many people. and it was deliberate there was a war going on in essence
Starting point is 00:26:26 and there was no peasant at the end of this and this is why the Germans were welcomed and they messed it up they should have taken this more seriously I don't think they got the best intelligence they had a terrible guy working in Ukraine Koch of ESS who was a disaster
Starting point is 00:26:48 I frankly think he was working for Stalin. But this concept, great relish, you know, they hate these people. Communism had nothing to do with economics. You know,
Starting point is 00:27:02 they weren't working in the factory. They weren't collectivized. They were above that. They were treated very well. And, and, you know, frankly, Trotsky didn't really have a problem with it. Now, is the vestia
Starting point is 00:27:21 article in 1927, you know, all nationalities are equal. We could write that on paper. But there was one nationality that was exploited beyond belief, and that was the Russian. At the end of the 20s, writes S. Ettinger, in all the hardship of life in the USSR, to many it seemed that Jews were the only group which gained from the revolution. They were found in important government positions. They made up a large proportion of university students. It was rumored that they received the best land in the Crimea and have flooded into Moscow.
Starting point is 00:27:58 Half a century later, June 1980, at a Columbia University conference about the situation of Soviet Jewry, I heard scholars describe the marginalized status of Jews in the USSR, and in particular how Jews were offered the choice of either emigration or denying their roots, beliefs, and culture in order to become part of a denationalized society. society. But that was what was required of all peoples in the 20s under the threat of Solofky prison camp, and immigration was not an alternative. The golden era of the 20s cries out for a sober appraisal.
Starting point is 00:28:38 Yeah, and more than that, more than just the 20s. I couldn't handle being an academic today. I've grown so much in terms of knowledge. I couldn't listen to this. I'd be fighting all the time. Because this is your typical academic point of view. Jews, the anti-Semitism that occurred. You know, there was, and this has to be understood.
Starting point is 00:29:09 I think it started in the 70s. There was a Stalin genocide denial movement, mainstream academic. You had a few writers who, just at that time, put out things. It wasn't Stalin's fault. You know, so, and it was almost, and you have people who do the same thing as far as Hitler goes, and they go to prison, but it's perfectly acceptable
Starting point is 00:29:36 to deny this in Stalin's era. That became an academic fad. I don't know if it still is, but it was an academic fad in the 70s, maybe in the early 80s. A whole bunch of things came out saying Stalin was not this mass murderer. You know, it was, you know, and Jews were, of course, being murdered too. And frankly, there's simply no evidence for any of this. Solzhenitin is absolutely right. And so right now, mainline histories of the Soviet Union are pretty much worthless.
Starting point is 00:30:16 Those years were filled with the cruelest persecution based upon class distinction, including persecution of children on account of the former life of their parents, life which the children did not even see, but Jews were not among these children or parents. The clergy, part of the Russian character, centuries in the making, was hounded to death in the 20s. Though not majority Jewish, too often the people saw Jews directing the special ecclesiastical departments of the GPU, which worked in this area. Yeah, and Sultaniksen has written this before. There was no question about it. This is one particular area where the Jews dominated in an entire.
Starting point is 00:30:55 It was throwing the clergy in prison. And by prison, I mean the camps. Tulsa Niesin talks, even in the Gulag archipelago, he talks about. Church was almost entirely wiped out. And it's because of this Jewish enthusiasm for it. Of course, you know, like it says in the first paragraph here, the Jews were not among these children or parent. no they while being personally often very wealthy
Starting point is 00:31:28 were considered proletarians because they they were the the heart of the party yeah of course there's only so many you know in the world which is why they're getting these crazy positions having no background but you don't need a majority you know Jews are so cohesive that you don't need a majority for them to take over
Starting point is 00:31:52 you need a handful and since anti-Semitism was illegal, even very minor acts and words were illegal, you couldn't say anything about it. So as far as the persecution of the church, the destruction of monasteries and all that, that was entirely Jewish. And they'll never, ever take responsibility. They'll never, you know, Jews are just incapable of looking at themselves objectively. and it's very depressing. A wave of trials of engineers took place from the end of the 20s through the 30s. An entire class of older engineers was eliminated.
Starting point is 00:32:33 The group was overwhelmingly Russian with a small number of Germans. Study of Russian history, archaeology, and folklore were suppressed. The Russians could not have a past. No one from the persecutors would be accused of having their own national interest. It must be noted that the commission, which prepared the decree of the history and the philology departments at Russian universities was made up of Jews and non-Jews alike. Goikbar, Glarin, Radik and Robsdien, as well as Bucharan, M. Pokrovsky, Sforb, blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:33:08 Yeah. It was signed into existence by Lenin in March 1921. The spirit of the decree was itself an example of nationalist hatred. It was the history and language of the great Russians that was no longer needed. during the 20s, the very understanding of Russian history was changed. There was none. And the understanding of what a great Russian has changed, there was no such thing. And this is one of the worst parts of the revolution.
Starting point is 00:33:35 Remember, the definition of a revolution is that all aspects of society are overturned. No, I mean, everything, which takes, of course, the totalitarian system to do it. the American Revolution is, it's not, it's not a revolution. It was simply a, a movement for independence. No, a revolution starts, tries to start everything from zero. The French started that with, you know, year one, Pol Pot did the same thing. Every single aspect of human life was overturned and, you know, given to the party to control. And of course, at this, you know, at this point, there was the beginning of the technology here to do it.
Starting point is 00:34:28 The camps were up and running. Many of the camps built, by the way, by Western corporations. That's in, what's his name's book? I forget which volume. But, you know, Stalin knew and his Jewish friends knew that rebellion, comes from having roots. There's social trust, if you're going to create a movement. And without shared roots, there is no trust.
Starting point is 00:35:03 There is no reason to sacrifice except to avoid getting shot. But, you know, this decree abolishing Jews and non-Jews alike, okay, you know, that's true. But the Jews were a huge part of it, disproportionate, obviously. and when he says the spirit of the decree is itself an example of nationalist hatred I think is referring to Jewish nationalism there but but again Lenin created this it was brought to fruition by Stalin and this is a true definition of genocide it's not just the murderer of people
Starting point is 00:35:45 it's the attempted destruction of an entire culture keeping people ignorant on purpose. People talk about, you know, the increase in literacy in the U.S.S. Asara. Well, the Zara 19th century had high literacy rates. But, you know, it went up in the Soviet era. And, well, to read what? To read their propaganda and their nonsense.
Starting point is 00:36:14 This is what children were taught. In collectivization, you had collective schools where they were taught. where they were taught all of this. And to the extent that there is a Russian history, it was a bad one. We know how white male kids are taught about their own history in the U.S. and how it, you know, the murder of Indians, the murder of slaves, whatever it might be. And you completely cut them off from any, this is a long-standing tactic. and it seems that the only people who are allowed to have a history are Jews, on the one hand,
Starting point is 00:36:56 on the other hand, those who they favor at the moment. And what was most painful, we Russians ourselves walked along this suicidal path. The very period of the 20s was considered the dawn of liberated culture, liberated from czarism and capitalism. Even the word Russian, such as I am Russian, sounded like a counter-revolutionary cry, which I well remember from my childhood. but without hesitation, everywhere was heard and printed Recepiati.
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Starting point is 00:38:31 your crutches scraping along. Your lips smeared with soot from icons. Over your vast expanses, the raven cause. You have guarded your grave dream. Old woman, blind and stupid. Yeah, that's, it's a
Starting point is 00:38:47 poem. and it's not a very good poem. There's nothing really symbolic about it. Excuse me. You know, it's vicious, clearly. You know, soot from icons, blind and stupid. That's not exactly how you write poetry, but it's this proof of this contempt. And if it's in Pravda, it's official policy.
Starting point is 00:39:14 it's utter contempt for for russians and specifically russian orthodox and it led to the murder of millions as we all know v bloom in moscow evening could brazenly demand the removal of history's garbage from the squares city squares to remove minin posarski monument from the red square to remove the monuments to russia's thousand-year anniversary in novgorod and a statue of st Vladimir on the hill in Kiev, quote, those tons of metal are needed for raw material. The ethnic coloring of the new names has already been noted. Yeah, we had a whole battle about monuments in public parks in this country. I think we all know about that. But they always had a reason.
Starting point is 00:40:08 You know, we need the metal or some nonsense like that. They always have this stupid reason. And it's like the current Ukrainian so-called president shutting down Russian, well, Ukrainian Orthodox churches because they have some connection to Russia. He has to give some reason. And therefore, they're subversive. And there have been fights. There have been battles. But these guys know they're going to be drafted or worse if they fight back.
Starting point is 00:40:43 This is just disgusting. swept to glory by the political changes and distinguished by political shamelessness, David Zazlovsky demanded the destruction of the studios of Igor Grebar used to restore ancient Russian art, finding that reverend artist fathers were trying again to fuse the church and art. Russia's self-mortification reflected in the Russian language with the depth, beauty, and richness and meaning were replaced by an iron stamp of Soviet conformity. We have not forgotten how it looked at the height of the decade. Russian patriotism was abolished forever, but the feelings of the people will not be forgotten.
Starting point is 00:41:26 Not how it felt to see the Church of the Redeemer blown up by the engineer, Javelkin, and the main mover behind that was Kaganovich, who wanted to destroy St. Basil's Cathedral as well. Russian Orthodoxy was publicly harassed by warrior atheists led by Gubelman Yaroslovsky. It is truthfully noted, quote, that Jewish communists took part in the destruction of churches was particularly offensive. No matter how offensive the participation of sons of Russian peasants in the persecution of the church, the part played by each non-Russian was even more offensive, end quote. This went against the Russian saying, quote, if you manage to snatch a room in the house, don't throw the God out. You know, I have a whole paper out.
Starting point is 00:42:12 I don't even know where it's published on Gubububan-Earislavski. He was the head of the godless five-year plan going to peasant villages and now, you know, collectives and preaching to them. You're trying to be essentially atheist missionaries and, you know, mocking. You know, they ripped open the graves of saints and stuff like that. And blowing up these beautiful.
Starting point is 00:42:42 beautiful churches. So you had, you had Russians, even if they, they weren't particularly, you know, religious, this was still a stupid thing to do. This is, this is just, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, I do not believe if this was, somehow, this revolution was entirely Russian, I don't think this would be happening. I don't think there would be, there would be, certainly would be no, I think, I think if, if Russians somehow overthrew the Tsar at the height of their power and popularity and prosperity, somehow it would be some liberal system, some liberal democratic system, something like, you know, the U.S. or Britain at the time, this fanaticism, blowing up arts, you know, shutting down art studios, some old man
Starting point is 00:43:36 you know, this was this was Gubberman, Yeroslowski, but on Stalin's orders. Stalin, you know, was well aware of this. Now, I've read a few books by Gubberman Yeroslowski. They're written very fast. They're clearly written on orders.
Starting point is 00:43:58 Not a whole lot of citations. But the point was propaganda. You know, you couldn't read the church fathers, but you had the Gouberman's book there on the shelf. That's why you have an increase in literacy in the USSR. And there was, yes, the attempt
Starting point is 00:44:19 Dersavon, of course, the Jew, wanted to destroy St. Basil's Cathedral, but Stalin, you know, that would have been too much. There's too many people who know that. It's so central to Russian identity. Maybe people in the West would be worried about it. But remember, Westerners, Western governments had no problem with this.
Starting point is 00:44:40 They continued to trade. There was no sanctions ever placed on the Soviet Union. Never happened, not once, this era. So Stalin would, he'd have a few pet churches around. And he'd bring, I know I mentioned this before, but he'd bring the religious people over, the World Council of Churches people over and say, see, there's full religious freedom here. And you'd have a priest say, yes, there's full religious freedom here. These idiots would then go back and say, oh, this talk about the persecution of the church's nonsense.
Starting point is 00:45:15 I met the clergy over there. And it happened all the time. The Archbishop of Canterbury was particularly stupid in this era because he was one of the ones that Stalin invited over and showed this Potemkin village. And, you know, the media wasn't talking about any persecution. So it was just rumor at this point. And he preached from the pulpit. There is no, there's full religious freedom in USSR. It's right in their constitution.
Starting point is 00:45:51 You know, because it's on paper. It must be a reality. But the elites were aware that the camps were run by clergy, orthodox people, dissidents of all stripes. And the Gulag archipelago. archipelago, as Sultanesean termed it, was growing and growing and growing and growing to the point where it became, I don't know, produced maybe 10 to 12 percent of the, of Russian output, I mean, sorry, of Soviet output, depending on who you read. But Jews were particularly excited about the destruction of churches and the murder of clergy.
Starting point is 00:46:34 In the words of A. Voronell, the 20s were perceived by the Jews, Jews as a positive opportunity, while for the Russian people, it was a tragedy. True, the Western leftist intellectuals regarded Soviet reality even higher. Their admiration was not based on nationality, but upon ideas of socialism. Who remembers the lightning crack of the firing squad executing 48 food workers for having caused the great famine rather than Stalin? The wreckers in the meat, fish conserves and produce trade. Among these unfortunates were not less than 10 Jews. What would it take to end the world's enchantment with Soviet power?
Starting point is 00:47:19 Doris Sturman attentively followed the efforts of B. Brutzkus to raise a protest among Western intellectuals. He found some who had protests, Germans and rightists. Albert Einstein hot-headedly signed the protest, but then withdrew his signature without embarrassment because the Soviet Union had achieved a great accomplishment and Western Europe will soon envy you. The recent execution by firing squad was an isolated incident, quote unquote. Also, quote, from this, one cannot exclude the possibility that they were guilty, end quote. Romain Roland maintained a noble silence. Arnold Zhvig barely stood up to the communist rampage.
Starting point is 00:48:03 At least he didn't withdraw his signature, but said that. the settling of accounts was an ancient Russian method. And if true, what then should be asked of the academic luff in Russia who was prompting Einstein to remove his signature? You know, after the Vietnam War was over, Joan Baez, who of course was one of the most vehement, you know, musician, but vehement anti-war, a pro-North people, she went over there, a few others. and came back and said, oh boy, maybe we were wrong. In fact, there are a whole bunch of people who went over there and came back. Even on guided tours, we were wrong.
Starting point is 00:48:50 This is, this is, we were on the wrong side here. It didn't really matter, but the communist dictatorships have been given a pass. You know, there is no, so you come in saying that, you know, you're a, you're a Marxist, You're Maoists despite killing, you know, 40 million people. You know, it's okay. You don't get fired for that. You get tenure for that. But a national socialist, totally different story, to say the least.
Starting point is 00:49:28 In fact, it's illegal in places like Germany, most of the EU. You know, what would it take to end the world's enchantment with Soviet power? Well, I know what it took. It was the refusal to let Jews emigrate to Israel. That occurred in the 70s. But that's what it took. You know, it's just absolutely... Then all of a sudden, the Soviet Union was bad
Starting point is 00:49:57 because it wouldn't let Jews emigrate to Israel. Now, of course, there were some intellectuals, even leftist ones, who knew what was going on. you know Einstein was you know you have this has happened all over the place this Soviet Union was the wave of the future however national socialism which actually you know worked especially economically worked very well was just the most evil disgusting thing ever and it had not to be destroyed but everyone involved in it had to be murdered
Starting point is 00:50:36 no one has paid for this kind of thing no one has been called to account for this. Western intellectuals, there's several books on them. I have a paper on it, of course. I have paper on all this stuff. I have a lot to answer for. You know, who's that idiot? The linguists from MIT.
Starting point is 00:51:04 I'm terrible with names. Chomsky. Chomsky. He supported Mao. He supported Paul Pot. It doesn't matter. Hasn't affected his reputation at all. Yeah, there's an Einstein quote that sounds kind of strange,
Starting point is 00:51:27 but when you understand that he was saying it in the 20s, you get it. He said that nationalism is an infantile disease. It's the measles of mankind. Yeah. I'll just say. Yeah. Absolutely. He'll read Moses Hess.
Starting point is 00:51:45 and say that's perfectly acceptable. You know, there's always, in the human mind, I'm telling you, what these people were able to rationalize and justify. It's almost impressive how they can do this. At least Joan Baez and a few others, you know, said, okay, I was wrong. Of course, you know, only after it was over, only after the damage was done. but the enchantment with Soviet power.
Starting point is 00:52:16 Well, when you have a Jewish media, a national socialist world, in matter how prosperous it became, is going to be, you know, reporting, it's going to be the most evil thing, and military action must be taken against it. That wasn't the case, of course, with the left anywhere. and you know, claiming this was an isolated incident.
Starting point is 00:52:45 I love this idea that they start creating, inventing history. This is an ancient Russian method. You know, whatever it took to justify it, the universities went over to the USSR. This is one of the reasons I say that Cold War was largely mythical. The regime took over all these other institutions. You had the World Council of Churches. Same thing. Thanks to the Archstim Archbishop of Canterbury.
Starting point is 00:53:20 This was, you know, but only in early 70s, when Israel started winning these wars and Soviet Jews wanted to emigrate, only then with their protests everywhere. It's a totalitarian system. They weren't saying this in the 30s or 50s. but that was the one time that there was some minor sanctions. And then again, with the invasion of Afghanistan. But prior to that, all the mass murders, not a problem. We only have a few paragraphs left in this long and detailed chapter. No, the West never envied us, and from those isolated incidents, millions of innocence died.
Starting point is 00:54:12 we'll never discover why this brutality was forgotten by Western opinion. It's not very readily remembered today. Today, a myth is being, yeah. Today a myth is being built. Yeah, well, yeah. He's writing this and he's saying he has no way. Okay. Today a myth is being built about the past to the effect that under Soviet power, Jews
Starting point is 00:54:36 were always second-class citizens or one sometimes hears that, quote, there was no persecution in the 20s, that was to come later. It's very rare to hear an admission that not only did they take part, but there was a certain enthusiasm among Jews as they carried out the business of the barbaric young government. Quote, the mixture of ignorance and arrogance which Hannah calls a typical characteristic of the Jewish parvenu filled the government, social and cultural elite. The brazenness and ardor with which all Bolshevik, policies were carried out, whether confiscation of church property or prosecution or persecution
Starting point is 00:55:17 of bourgeois intellectuals gave Bolshevik power in the 20s a certain Jewish stamp, end quote. They had a completely unearned self-confidence. Ideologically and theoretically, you know, Marxism, um, uh, you know, in terms of the, the philosophy of the matter, in terms of, you know, of journals dedicated to Marxism especially in English and elsewhere.
Starting point is 00:55:52 In all of this, you're not going to find any criticism, any problem. But, you know, they captured philosophy, they captured history. Karl Marx,
Starting point is 00:56:04 once you kind of get it with him, there's certain aspects of it where they're very difficult. But once you get it, it's very easy to interpret it about any. You have to lie to yourself. But it is easy.
Starting point is 00:56:18 I'm not saying Marx is easy. He's not. But once you grasp it, it becomes a very easy ideology to impose on anything. You know, nationalism does have its list of theoreticians that are not well-known. And they never created a really good. a systematic ideology until recently. I think I've done that. I've tried to do that anyway.
Starting point is 00:56:52 Hegel, I guess, was the closest thing. But, you know, this is how they capture these institutions. These intellectuals are on the left. Rednecks are on the right. And it just didn't matter. or cognitive dissonant was a small price to pay. And remember, a sociopath can never experience cognitive dissonant. In the 90s, another Jewish public intellectual writing of the 20s said, quote,
Starting point is 00:57:28 in University Halls, Jews often set the tone without noticing that their banquet was happening against the backdrop of the demise of the main nationality in their country. I'm sorry, I just have to stop in. Yeah. Contemplate our own situation. During the 20s, Jews were proud of fellow Jews who had brilliant careers in the revolution, but did not think much about how the career was connected to the real suffering of the Russian people. Most striking today is the unanimity with which my fellow Jews deny any guilt in the history of 20th century Russia.
Starting point is 00:58:09 Yeah, you're quoting somebody. G. Shormack in a book published in a book. published in Russian called Shulgin and his apologists. How healing it would be for both nations if such lonely voices were not drowned out. Because it's true. In the 20s, Jews in many ways served the Bolshevik Moloch, not thinking of the broken land and not foreseeing the eventual consequences for themselves. Many leading Soviet Jews lost all sense of moderation during that time, all sense of when
Starting point is 00:58:40 it was time to stop. Okay. I don't like separating Jews from Bolsheviks as if there was a Bolshevik party without them. It's just not true. The Bolsheviks came from the Bund. It was, you know, again, given their fairly small numbers, they couldn't be dominant in every place,
Starting point is 00:59:02 in every party committee, but that's irrelevant. To some extent, to some extent, they were Bolivism. And, yeah, we could repeat this. Jews often set the tone without noticing that their banquet was happening against the backdrop of the demise of the main nationality in the country. I'm pretty sure that they knew. They did notice. And that was the problem.
Starting point is 00:59:32 And I mentioned this before, but the Leningrad purge, very little known, purge right after World War II, was a massive purge of anyone in the party that was pro-Russian, that had a, you know, not even Russian nationalists. but protested against the exploitation of Russia. All the other republics essentially lived off Russia. And when bringing that up, there was a whole list of them were removed. And I haven't published on that, but I have a lecture on that at Radio Albion.
Starting point is 01:00:15 But there's no way a Jew was going to, you know, your typical Jew is not going to admit to this stuff. They certainly won't institutionally admit to this stuff. They have no conception that they're ever at fault. And, of course, they're going to deny any guilt. You know, and in EU, you may get sent off to prison for even bringing up the issue. All right. We're done with the 20s, and we're going to be entering the 30s in the next episode.
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Starting point is 01:01:33 Not only is this episode 92, but it is the start of chapter 19 in the 1930s. Dr. Johnson, how are you doing today? I'm doing very well. You guys have known, I've been working on this book on the Ukraine War for a ridiculous amount of time. I've been going to bed at like three in the morning. But it's been accepted. It's been reviewed. It's finished.
Starting point is 01:02:04 It's done. It should be available in a couple of days. And I am extremely proud of what I've done, what I've done with it. This is, this is, and I don't know what's going to happen afterwards, you know, with current event books. but I make it very clear this is the Russo-Ukrainian War of 2022 to 2025 where most of the fighting took place because right now Ukraine doesn't have an army really to fight with
Starting point is 01:02:34 so it's been burnt to ashes and so I'm I'm finally done with it I feel like something's been taken off my neck A news from my neck has been lifted. Awesome. Monkey on my back. That's the free.
Starting point is 01:02:55 That's the free. Yeah. Yep. So we will definitely schedule and time to do an episode on it. See by getting you on some other shows. We can start promoting it around. Yes, I would appreciate that. Of course.
Starting point is 01:03:11 Of course. All right. Like I said in the beginning, start a new chapter in the 1930s. And as before we went live, Dr. Johns is. So this is a lot of what people are waiting for. So, yeah. All right, here we go. The 1930s were years of an intense industrialized spurt which crushed a peasantry and
Starting point is 01:03:34 altered the life of the entire country. Mere existence demanded adaptation and the development of new skills. But through crippling sacrifices and despite the many absurdities of the Soviet organizational system, the horrible epic somehow. led to the creation of an industrialized power? Yeah, the sacrifices were not voluntary, of course. Keep in mind that, you know, Zaris, Russia was heading in this same direction, under state direction, although not state ownership.
Starting point is 01:04:10 And workers were treated infinitely better in the Zaris era than they were, what we're going to talk about now. yet the first and second five-year plans came into existence and were carried out not through the miracle of spontaneous generation, nor as a result of the simple violent round-up of large masses of laborers. It demanded many technical provisions, advanced equipment, and the collaboration of specialists experienced in this technology. All this flowed plentifully from the capitalist West and most of all from the United States, not in the form of a gift, of course, and not in the form of a gift, of course, and not in the form of generous help. The Soviet communists paid for all this abundantly with Russia's mineral wealth and timber, with concessions for raw materials markets, with trade areas promised to the West, and with plundered goods from the Empire of the Zars. Such deals flowed with the help and approval of international
Starting point is 01:05:06 financial magnates, most of all those on Wall Street, in a persistent continuation of the first commercial ties that the Soviet communist developed on the American stock exchanges as early as during the Civil War. The new partnership was strengthened by shiploads of Tsarist gold and treasures from the hermitage. Yeah, these priceless artifacts as well as from churches, too, you know, when I discovered this, I don't know when it was. It was quite a while ago. But I was, and then I found Anthony Sutton.
Starting point is 01:05:44 and when I discovered him my whole world changed in terms of the USSR the 20th century is so mangled in history books this isn't supposed to happen you know any Marxist would think that the capitalist powers would despise it and be threatened by it right
Starting point is 01:06:07 but not only they will not they will actually sacrifice for it during the Depression no less commercial ties, you know, talking about a Cold War, you kind of have to use air quotes because, you know, there were no, no, this is the opposite of sanctions. Now, keep in mind that the sacrifices that the peasantry had to make, these were done in the, in the Leninist era too. but as I've said before, they just didn't have the technology for it to make it
Starting point is 01:06:49 a regularized thing. Now, they're established. Solomon is more or less established. And the bureaucracy is much larger, once more sure of itself. But under Lenin, it wasn't. Now, you still
Starting point is 01:07:05 have peasant revolts all over. This new empire, all over. that will never end well at least until you know the defeat of the Germans and
Starting point is 01:07:19 but discovering this it completely altered my entire historical understanding what the 20th century meant remember you know so much was destroyed in the World War I Civil War
Starting point is 01:07:38 not really that wasn't fought on Russian soil but you know the Civil War especially they lost all of their you know there was a huge brain drain the infrastructure was gone from this attempt to industrialize and under this knowledge it was very slow but sure keep in mind that that all Western Europe was overwhelmingly agrarian you know in a few cities they had the industry and that was the same thing
Starting point is 01:08:08 in the Tsar's Empire. But they needed to replace capital, and they needed to replace the people who could run it. So many of them were either dead or in exile or underground or in a gulag somewhere. So they had to start over again. And in this case, you know, it was provided for my, by the, I still, to this day, I can't get over the fact that Henry Ford built the largest truck plant he's ever built in the 30s in near Kharkov in eastern Ukraine.
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Starting point is 01:09:21 But profits are profits. And that may have been, if I'm not mistaken, that may have been the first thing to get me to wonder, wait a minute. What else did Westerners do? Bringing me to Anthony Sutton. But wait a second. Were we not thoroughly taught by Marx that capitalists or the fierce enemies of proletarian socialism, and that we should not expect help from them, but rather a destructive, bloody war?
Starting point is 01:09:47 Well, it's not that simple. Despite the official diplomatic non-recognition, trade links were completely out in the open, and even written about it in a zestia. Quote, American merchants are interested in broadening of economic ties with the Soviet Union. American unions came out against such an expansion, defending their markets from the products of cheap and even slave Soviet labor. The Russian American Chamber of Commerce, that's in quotes, created at that time, simply did not want to hear about any political opposition to communism
Starting point is 01:10:20 or to mix politics with business relations. It's very interesting that the unions came out against it, and it makes sense. And at this point, by eliminating Sundays and increasing working hours, which Stalin will do throughout the 30s, it was something very close to slave labor. As I said before, the Gulag economy at its height
Starting point is 01:10:45 would account for maybe 10% of Russian production, maybe more. And not just in building canals and stuff like that, but even in more specialized areas, scientific areas,
Starting point is 01:11:01 which he also writes about in his other books. But, this is shocking to most people. How the hell could this possibly be? It shows you that, that, you know, Marx was full of it, but at the same time, Marx also hated Russia and Slavs, as he said many, many times. Anthony Sutton, a modern American scholar, researched a recently opened diplomatic and financial archives and followed the connections of Wall Street with the Bolsheviks. He pointed to the amoral logic of this long and consistent relationship. From his
Starting point is 01:11:39 early as the Marburg plan at the beginning of the 20th century, which was based on the vast capital of Carnegie, the idea was to strengthen the authority of international finance through global socialization for control and for the forced appeasement. Sutton concluded that international financiers prefer to do business with central governments, the banking community, least of all, once a free economy and decentralized authority. Revolution and international financial finance did not quite contradict each other if the results of revolution should be to establish a more centralized authority and therefore to make the markets of these countries manageable. And there was the second line of agreement.
Starting point is 01:12:20 Bolsheviks and bankers shared an essential common platform. Internationalism. You know, I've been through the fundamental similarities between late capitalism and and Marxism-Leninism. And it's a huge list. your basic fundamental agreements, internationalism being one, secularism and atheism being another. But bankers, you have a country that now is setting up a system where the entire economy is going to be planned from one place. That is their, that is a wet dream for these guys.
Starting point is 01:13:03 And this is part of the reason why they couldn't get, they loved it. anti-communist you know what did they do to joe mccarthy in the 50s this stuff didn't go away anti-communism was not fashionable and and so many of the as i've said the exiles who were you know traditionalists royalists and stuff they were they were they were followed by by the fbi and other police agencies they were not trusted um it's not an exaggeration to say that American capital, Western capital, built the, you know, paradise of the Soviet Union, the utopia of the workers. And therefore, they're responsible for what happened there, at least partly.
Starting point is 01:13:57 In that light, the subsequent support of collective enterprises and the mass destruction of individual rights by Morgan Rockefeller was not surprising. In justification of this support, they claimed in Senate hearings, quote, Why should a great industrial country like America desire the creation and subsequent competition of another great industrial rival? Well, they rightly believe that with such an obviously uncompetitive, centralized and totalitarian regime, Soviet Union could not rival America. Another thing is that Wall Street could not predict further development of the Bolshevik system, nor its extraordinary ability to control people,
Starting point is 01:14:40 working them to the very bone, which eventually led to the creation of a powerful, if misshapen, industry. And this fascinated these elites. The just the incredible use of coercion, not just physically, but later on psychologically. Yeah, it was not going to be a great rival.
Starting point is 01:15:08 That's true. not an issue. I've been through these Senate hearings many years ago. And it's not just investment over there. Russians and others came to the U.S. and went to American schools at all levels, from military to business, to science, everything, and then went back to build the socialist paradise. you know, Vladimir Putin takes over, you know, clearly manifests himself as some version of a nationalist or Eurasianist. And that's it. It's over.
Starting point is 01:15:54 Total sanctions and we will lose huge amounts of money to enforce them. That's the one other agreement that the two systems have is they hate nationalism. But how does this tie in with our basic theme? Because, as we have seen, American financiers completely refuse loans to pre-Vevaluationary Russia due to the infringement of the rights of Jews there, even though Russia was always a profitable financial prospect. And clearly, if they were prepared to sacrifice profits at that time, then now, despite all their counting on the Soviet markets, the Morgan Rockefeller Empire would not assist the Bolsheviks if the persecution of the Jews was looming on horizon in the USSR at the start of the 1930s.
Starting point is 01:16:48 You've got to remember, these people are already ridiculously wealthy. Their income, I mean, Rockefeller's income would make you wealthy today. and how much more would that be in the 20s and 30s? It wasn't just about profit. We've talked about this in terms of how Hollywood operates. You know, the regime does things they know they're going to lose money. But it doesn't matter. They're already wealthy people.
Starting point is 01:17:23 They'll get it back some other way. But now, of course, the Jews, front and center, that this was the issue. the Tsars did a, I think did a terrible job of explaining how they treat the Jews and why and what's going on. And it's not like, you know, I'm not saying Rockefeller was reading Lenin, although the Rockefeller Foundation would subsidize many, many, many, many Leninists in the American universities as time went on. So there was no question at one point or another. This was the wave of the future.
Starting point is 01:18:09 They saw it as a wave of the future. Anything opposing it was just reactionary and should be eliminated. That's just the point. For the West, the previously described Soviet oppression of the traditional Jewish culture and of Zionists easily disappeared under the contemporary general impression that the Soviet power would not oppress the Jews, but on the contrary, that many of them would remain at the levers of power. Certain pictures of the past have the ability to conveniently rearrange in our mind in order to soothe our consciousness. And today a perception has formed that
Starting point is 01:18:50 in the 1930s, the Jews were already forced out of the Soviet ruling elite and had nothing to do with the administration of the country. In the 1980s, we see assertions like this. In the Soviet times, the Jews in the USSR were, quote, practically destroyed as a people. They had to be turned into a social group which was settled in the large cities as a social stratum to serve the ruling class, end quote. We've been through this before. The regime, especially their academic elements in America and the West, Blaming everything on Stalin made everything else seem okay
Starting point is 01:19:36 It was very common to hear that Stalin distorted the USSR and the promises of socialism despite the fact that Lenin and Trottyky wanted the exact same thing We see it in the Middle East where the regime says Oh no this is all Netanyahu He's distorted the Zionist idea This would never have happened before
Starting point is 01:19:59 And of course we're going to read here, and this is one of the places where I read this nonsense, that somehow there was an anti-Jewish policy under Stalin. But, you know, again, you're an American academic, you're looking at this. What do I do? I noticed that so many of the people that Stalin purges are Jews. So either I have to admit that the Bolsheviks were mostly Jewish, or I could say that Stalin was an anti-Semite. That was the choice that they had. They can't say the former, so they had to say the latter. No.
Starting point is 01:20:46 Not only far from serving, the Jews were to the large extent members of the ruling class. And the large cities, the capitals of the constituent Soviet republics were the very thing the authorities bought off through improved provisioning, furnishing, and maintenance, while the rest of the country languished from oppression and poverty. And now, after the shock of the Civil War, after the war communism, after the NEP in the first five-year plan, it was the peacetime life of the country that was increasingly managed by the government apparatus, in which the rule of the Jews was quite conspicuous, at least until 1937 to 1938. In 1936, at the eighth Congress of Soviets of the Soviet Union, Molotov on orders from Stalin, perhaps
Starting point is 01:21:35 to differ from Hitler in the eyes of the West, delivered this tirade. Quote, Our brotherly feelings toward the Jewish people are determined by the fact that they begat the genius and the creator of the ideas of the communist liberation of mankind, Carl Marx, that the Jewish people, alongside the most developed nations, brought forth countless prominent scientists, engineers, and artists. and gave many glorious heroes to the revolutionary struggle. And in our country, they gave and are still giving new, remarkable, and talented leaders and managers in all areas of development and defense of the cause of socialism.
Starting point is 01:22:16 And we've been through a lot of this, too. The Stalin anti-Semite thing stems from just a list of names. This is what Stalin did. He removed all of these people. and they tended to be Jewish. There's entire books on this. Careers have been made on this in history departments, often by Jews themselves.
Starting point is 01:22:41 I've read some of these books. I've read some of these books a long time ago. I wasn't sure what to make of them in the 90s. But I like how Marx is referring to the Jews like he's not one of them. And Stalin, although he was not a Jew, was surrounded by them everywhere. Stalin maintained the persecution of anti-Semites that was passed by Lenin, that was decreed by Lenin and Trotky. That never went away.
Starting point is 01:23:15 That never went away in the entire history of the USSR. The italics are mine. No doubt it was said for propaganda purposes, but Molotov's declaration was appropriate. and the defense of the cause of socialism during all those years was in the hands of the GPU, the army, diplomacy, and the ideological front. The willing participation of so many Jews in these organs continued in the early and mid-1930s until 1937 to 1938. Here we will briefly review, according to contemporary newspapers, later publications,
Starting point is 01:23:54 and modern Jewish encyclopedias, the most important posts and names at emerged mainly in the 1930s. Of course, such a review, complicated by the fact that we know nothing about how our characters identified themselves in regards to nationality, may contain mistakes in individual cases and can in no way be considered comprehensive. Remember what Stalin was doing. Stalin had to make the shift from a revolutionary party trying to create and run a government, which they're not very good at.
Starting point is 01:24:30 to an actual professional bureaucracy, whether it be military or the party itself or the state, the economy. And that's why a lot of these guys had to be removed. Same thing for the military. The so-called military purges, these guys weren't shot. They were just retired. These were excellent Civil War commanders. but fighting a massive German invasion, a different story. They're not trained in the military arts.
Starting point is 01:25:06 These guys have to be, they have to come from the regular surface. They have to work their way up like a true general would, not just be expert in guerrilla warfare or whatever. So the shifts from a revolutionary government to a regular government based on revolutionary principles is what Stalin thought he was doing at the time. After the destruction of the Trotskyite opposition, the Jewish representation in the party apparatus became noticeably reduced. But that purge of the Supreme Party apparatus was absolutely not anti-Jewish.
Starting point is 01:25:45 Lazare Kaganovich retained his extremely prominent position in the Politburo. He was an ominously merciless individual and, at the same time, a man of notoriously low professional level. Nevertheless, from the mid-1930s, he was the secretary of the Central Committee and simultaneously a member of the organizational bureau of the Central Committee. Only Stalin himself held both these positions at the same time. And he placed three of his brothers in quite important positions, opposed. Mikhail Kaganovich was deputy chair of the Supreme Soviet of the national economy beginning in 1931. From 1937, he was Narcom.
Starting point is 01:26:25 Narcadne comissar, that is people's commissar, of the defense industry. Later, he simultaneously headed the aviation industry. Yuley Kaganovich, passing through the leading party posts in Nizny Novgorod, as all the brothers did, became deputy Narcom of the foreign trade. Another absolutely untalented brother was a big gun in Rostov-on-dawn. It reminds me of a story by Saltykov. Shrederun, where one Vos-Oshmiansky tried to place his brother Lazar in a profitable post. However, both the ethnic Russian opposition factions, that of Rikov, Bukharin, and Tomsky,
Starting point is 01:27:11 and that of Sirtsov, Ritin, and Uglanov were destroyed by Stalin in the beginning of the 1930s with support of the Jewish Bolsheviks. He drew necessary replacements from their ranks. Guganovich was the principal and the most reliable of Stalin supporters in the Politburo. He demanded the execution of Rutan October 1932 to January 1933, but even Stalin wasn't able to manage it then. The purge of 1930 to 1933 dealt with the Russian elements in the party. Yeah, they were called the, colloquially, they were called the Russian Party. I've already talked about the post-World War II
Starting point is 01:27:53 Leningrad purges when there were superheroes of resistance to the Germans every one of whom were Russian and they started asking questions you know exactly why are you know why are these why have our people have been purged so much
Starting point is 01:28:14 how come Russia is being so ruthlessly exploited for the sake of the outer republic. And that led to Leningrad purges. So this is not the only purge of, I mean, you can't even call them vaguely Russian nationalists. 1930, 1933, you know, it's not talked about very much and it shouldn't surprise you. That was about Russia. Remember, Lending goes on and on about Russian chauvinism and stuff like that. sometimes nationalism from one group against another serves the interest of the party, sometimes. But because of the size of Russia within the USSR, that could never be allowed to develop. And a lot of very talented men were shot as a result.
Starting point is 01:29:13 Out of 25 members in the presidium of the Central Control Commission after the 16th Party Congress, 1930, 10 were Jews. Ace Salts, the conscience of the party in the bloodiest years from 1934 to 1938 was assistant to Bishinsky. Fill up your year with great travel moments. And while you look after making memories, we'll take care of the travel insurance end of things. So pack multitrip.com with all your holiday essentials. Get a quote today on multitrip.com. Cover more Blue Insurance Services Limited trading as multitrip.com is regulated by the central back of Ireland. The general prosecutor of the USSR.
Starting point is 01:29:53 Z. Belenke, one of the three above-mentioned Belike brothers, A. Goldsman, who supported Trotsky in the debate on trade unions, ferocious Rosalia Zamlaka, Zalkind, M. Kaganovich, another of the brothers, the Czechos Trilisser, the militant atheist, Yaroslovsky, B. Roissiman, and AP Rosengoltz, the surviving assistant of Trotsky. If one compares the composition of the party central committee in the 1920s with that in the early 1930s, he would find that it was almost unchanged. Both in 1925, as well as after the 16th Party Congress, Jews comprised about one-sixth of the membership. which is saying something.
Starting point is 01:30:39 Now, whatever disagreement Stalin had with Trotsky was over issues of not great import. They were identical in terms of what they thought socialism should be. It was only in exile that Trotsky started to all of a sudden become this libertarian.
Starting point is 01:31:00 So this isn't Marxism, this isn't socialism. This isn't socialism. He wasn't wonderful like Lenin was. And that's where a lot of that came from. To be Trotskyite is almost to be fashionable today. It wasn't so much for the Soviet Union existed. But because that's really the official view of the court historians. That Stalin distorted socialism.
Starting point is 01:31:26 He did no such thing. He simply brought it to the next level because he had the ability to do so. And, you know, one-six of the membership is pretty, huge when you consider they're 2% of the population. It's very extraordinary. In the upper echelons of the Communist Party after the 17th Congress, the Congress of the Victors, in 1934, Jews remained at one-sixth of the membership of the Central Committee in the Party Control Commission, about one-third, and a similar proportion in the Revision Commission of the Central Committee. It was headed for quite a while by M. Vladimir, Vladimir, from 19,
Starting point is 01:32:05 34, Lazare Kaganovich took the reins of the Central Control Commission. Jews made up the same proportion, one-third of the members of the Commission of the Soviet control. For five years, filled with upheaval, the Deputy General Prosecutor of the USSR was Gregori Leplowski. Remember, in this era, there was a very strict distinction between the party and the state. Now, of course, the party ran the state. but there was always this worry that the state very much like
Starting point is 01:32:41 the Russian party that the state may get ideas of its own especially the army and that's where these commissars came from these commissars which we talked about before that were attached and control commission not just they were attached
Starting point is 01:33:05 to every high-ranking officer, making sure that he, can you imagine, trying to do your job with this Jew, you know, in your ear, everything had to, you know, listening to everything you have to say, making sure that you supported the party. These control elements, these, that's where the Jews really thrive.
Starting point is 01:33:30 And it was very difficult to function as a high-ranking military officer or a high-ranking, you know, manager because you always had a party person very close by, making sure you didn't have any ideas of your own. And that was, you know, of course there was always a distinction
Starting point is 01:33:53 between those two things, state and party. They can never, you know, obviously they can never become one thing, but wherever, you know, you had a lot of Gentiles, like in the army, you're going to have these commissars. that were right next to wherever he went you had the commissar right here
Starting point is 01:34:12 overwhelmingly Jewish Hitler used to make fun of them all the time during the war and part of the high level of losses in World War II came from that there were no retreat you know slaughter of the Gentile Russians and Ukraine
Starting point is 01:34:36 at the front, you know, making sure that that took place, you know, making sure that all party commands went through, no matter how irrational they were. And it was, I can't imagine doing my job with someone like that right next to me all the time. Occupants of many crucial party posts were not even announced in Pravda. For instance, in autumn 1936, the secretary of the Central Committee of Kamsamal, the Union of Communists. youth was E. Fainberg. The Department of the Press and Publishing of the Central Committee, the key ideological establishment, was managed by B. TAL. Previously, the department was headed by Lev Meckles, who had by then shifted to managing Pravda full-time. From 1937, Meckless became
Starting point is 01:35:25 Deputy Narcom of Defense and the head of political administration of the Red Army. We see many Jews in the command post in provinces, and the Central Asia Bureau, the Eastern Siberia party Committee, Crycom, in the post of the first secretaries of the Opcoms of the Volga German Republic, the Tatar, the Bashkir, Tomsk, Kalinen, and Voronis, Voronis Oblas, and in many others. For example, Mendel Katayevich, a member of the Central Committee from 1930, was consequently Secretary of Gomel, Odessa, Tadar, and Denepp propetrovsk obcams, secretary of the Middle Volga Krikom, and second secretary of the Communist Party Ukraine.
Starting point is 01:36:18 Jakob Chubin was secretary of the Chernigov and Akmalinsk Obkams and the Shatinsk District Party Committee. Later, he served in several commissions in the party control in Moscow, Crimea, Kursk, and Turkmenia. and from 1937 he was the first secretary of the Central Committee of Turkmenia. There is no need to list all such names, but let's not overlook the real contribution of these secretaries into the Bolshevik cause. Also note their striking geographical mobility, as in the 1920s. Reliable cadres were still in much demand and indispensable, and there was no concern that they lacked knowledge of each new locality in which they took charge. If you were a subscriber to the Barnes Review, I'm talking to the listeners.
Starting point is 01:37:10 I was the editor there in the early 2000s, Willis Cardo's publication. I published on the genocide in Kazakhstan under a Jewish leadership who, you know, prior to that, you know, had no conception of what nomadic heard. herding was, let alone how to oversee it. And needless to say, policy was completely irrational. The population went down and actually went down very much to the point where they were really worried about its survival. They were running to China. They were running to elsewhere. And, you know, this was this was Jewish way. The Kazakh members of the party were very few. They were educated in the USSR. And then they were purged. So it was, you know, it had to be a
Starting point is 01:38:14 Jewish thing because of how, you know, the starvation. They were fine before, of course. They were fine under the czars or they were fine otherwise. But communism can't deal with nomadic herders. That frightens them. It's so, you know, to them, unless they figure out a way to make a factory out of that, which I don't think they can. You know, forcing them to settle led to mass. Oh, so the revolt was constant. And no one talks about it. That, that, it's a true, it's a true genocide.
Starting point is 01:38:56 Cazaks became a minority in their own country, which had never happened before. And, uh, it was from, It was from basically this era where it happened. So that's one example of how this operates. You still had the idea that if Jews could be sent anywhere, whether you were competent or not, and that had to be somewhat, you know, tamed
Starting point is 01:39:26 because you can't have it incompetent. You realize, especially in the late 30s, that was very much tamed. you needed a regular bureaucracy, but also, like in a lot of places, they can't be allowed to stay at one place for very long geographically because then they may become sympathetic to them, may make friends there. They may, we can't have that. We need them to be able to shoot them at any moment. And that's where the mobility comes from. It's not a matter of, you know, it is a matter, well, primarily it's a matter of these guys never putting down root.
Starting point is 01:40:04 anywhere, which is not exactly a Jewish thing anyway. But it's a big deal. You cannot develop sympathy for these people, so they have to be sent all around the place, all around the empire. There, of course, with the total strangers, you know, like herders, destroying them is much less of a problem. Yet much more power was in the hands of the narcoms. In 1936, we see nine Jewish narcoms in the government. Take the worldwide famous narcom of foreign affairs, Litvinov. In the friendly cartoons in Vestia, he is portrayed as a knight of peace with a spear and shield taking a stand against foreign filth. No less remarkable, but only within the limits of the USSR, was the narcom of internal affairs, Yegota, the ascending and all-glorious iron
Starting point is 01:40:59 narcom of railroads, Lazar Kaganovich. Foreign trade was headed by A. Rosengoltz. Before that, we saw him in the Central Control Commission. I.Y.A. Whitzer was in charge of domestic trade. M. Kalmanovich was in charge of Sofkosis, state-owned farms that paid wages. He was the first Commissar from the end of 1917, i.e. Lubimov was Narcom of Lightend. industry. G. Kaminsky was Narcom of healthcare. His instructive articles were often published in Izvestia, and the above-mentioned Z. Balenko was head of the commission of the Soviet control. In the same government, we can find many Jewish names among the deputy narcoms in various people's commissariats, finance, communications, railroad transport, water, agriculture, the timber industry,
Starting point is 01:41:52 the foodstuffs industry, education, justice. Among the most important deputy narcoms were Y.A. Garmarnik defense, A. Gourovich. He made a significant contribution to the creation of the mettleurgical industry in the country. Semien Ginsburg, he was deputy Narcom of heavy industry, and later he became Narcom of Construction, and even later, Minister of Construction of Military Enterprises. Therefore, the entire conception of Stalin as this wild, crazy anti-Semite is thrown out the window. It's clearly not the case. But you're not allowed to say that because otherwise you have to admit that the early Bolsheviks were Jews.
Starting point is 01:42:49 You have to admit that. And of course, they can't professionally. That's why they're court historians. That's why that's the price you pay for tenure. opposed. Jews still dominated the system, regardless of any Trotsky-line opposition. And so that whole theory is destroyed right in this one paragraph. The famous great turning point took place from the end of 1929 to the beginning of 1931. Murderous collectivization lay ahead, and at this decisive moment, Stalin assigned Yaakovlev Epstein,
Starting point is 01:43:29 as its sinister principal executive. His portraits and photos and drawings by I Brodsky were prominently reproduced in newspapers then and later from year to year. Together with the already mentioned M. Kalmanovich, he was a member of the very top Soviet of labor and defense. There was hardly anyone apart from Stalin, Molotov, yada, yada, yada, yada in that organ.
Starting point is 01:43:54 In March of 1931, at the sixth session of Soviets, Yaakovlev reported on the progress of collectivization about the development of Sovkosis and Kolkoses, that is, the destruction of the way of life of the people. On this glorious path to the ruination of Russia among Yakovlev's collaborators, we can see Deputy Narcom Viji Vigin, Fagan, members of the board of the People's Commissariat of Agriculture, M.M. Volf, G.G. Rochal, and other experts. The important organization, the Grain Trust, was attached to the People's Commissariat of Agriculture to pump out grain from peasants to the state. The chairman of the board of directors was M.G. Gershivkov. His portraits
Starting point is 01:44:47 appeared in Izvestia, and Stalin himself sent him a telegram of encouragement. From 1923, the People's Commissariat of Sofkosis and Kolkosis with M. Kalmanovich at the helm was separated from the People's Commissariat of Agriculture. From 1934, the chairman of the National Soviet of Kolkosis was the same Yaakov Lev Epstein. Fill up your year with great travel moments. And while you look after making memories, we'll take care of the travel insurance end of things. So pack multitrip.com with all your holiday essentials. Get a quote today on multitrip.com. Cover more blue insurance services limited trading as multitrip.com is regulated by the central
Starting point is 01:45:30 buck of Ireland. The chairman of the commission of purveyance was I. Klinner, who was awarded the Order of Lenin. During the most terrible moments of collectivization, M. Kalmanovich was Deputy Narcom of agriculture. But at the end of 1930, he was transferred into the People's Commissar. of finance as Deputy Narcom. He also became chairman of the board of Gossbank, the state bank, and in monetary affairs,
Starting point is 01:45:56 a strong will was always much needed. In 1936, Lev Maraisen became chairman of the board of the Goss Bank. He was replaced in that post by Solomon Krudyakov in 1936. Let me explain. You did wonderfully. I think we may even stop there, given the pain you just went through. reading that. I'm okay.
Starting point is 01:46:24 You know, but collectivization was the formal term for the destruction of, as he says, the Russian way of life, which prior to the communists was excellent and doing better. Everything that the peasants knew, the location, everything was destroyed. and they were brought to some other place, random people thrown together, maybe 100 people, maybe more, maybe fewer, I don't know, and were given targets. They had to create so much.
Starting point is 01:47:09 And it was a totalitarian system in and of itself. It was a mini version of the USSR, are. To be in the collective, everything was dictated to you. I mean, Mao and Pol Pot did a little bit, you know, more extreme with it. But your words, your actions were watched by people who, you know, essentially, it was almost prison labor. It was prison labor. And why not? It was clear that the peasants hated the Marxist, hated Lenin and Stalin. There was no question about it. These are some of the same people who were shooting at them. This was a way to hopefully control that. And it didn't work, clearly.
Starting point is 01:48:09 They never met their targets. And with a few exceptions. And it was overseen, often as we see, by these Jews who didn't know what a plot of land looked like, let alone how to form it. It was a completely totalitarian system to live there. It was a nightmare. You had a very small amount of living space, which was dictated to you like everything else. Child care was provided, believe it or not,
Starting point is 01:48:44 by the collectives to make sure your wife can work in the fields to make sure you reach the target. it was a nightmare. And the difference between the two, you know, the co-coleses and tough causes is, is how you pay your dues, either in cash or in kind. That was really the only difference. And there's no way that the Soviets, I mean, they were well aware of what this was going to do. They were well aware of the famine this is going to create, of the people who were going to be shot. I mean, you had massive executions here.
Starting point is 01:49:23 Peasants are pretty shrewd and tough people. And, you know, it was the worst possible treatment. They were infinitely worse than any serf. They were not allowed to leave. That some reforms came much later. And it was as close to prison labor as you can get. and they didn't know each other, which was kind of the point. They come from, you know, they tried to mix as many people as possible.
Starting point is 01:49:56 Of course, there's no church. Shouldn't have to say that. The church was the center of the commune in Tsarist times. This was a, this is even considering it is a frightening concept of what these, you know, nameless people went through and how many of them have been executed for, for, disobedience. And the fact that the Jews ran this system, you know, again, they're never going to take responsibility for anything. That's the last thing a Jew knows how to do.
Starting point is 01:50:28 But they should. This was a Jewish idea, a Jewish movement. It was overseen by Jews with Stalin at the head. And this is why food production went down. And you had constant confrontation. You had guards, you know. So the collective was an awful. Now, again, there were reforms a bit later,
Starting point is 01:50:59 but under Stalin, it was a very different story. Lennon had started the process, same thing, same concept, but not to the extent that Solomon was able to do. All right. We'll wrap it there. And next episode, we'll pick up. And I want to encourage everybody to go over to the show notes. and donate to Dr. Johnson and go over to the description in the videos.
Starting point is 01:51:26 And also look out for the announcement of his book coming out in a couple days and head on over. And we'll tell you where you can get that. And there's another way to support. And also get educated on what this, you know, what we've seen over the last three years plus, which is, you know, probably going to go down in as the worst, worse than anything in the 21st century so far, that's for darn sure, even worse than the terror wars. Yeah, the total depopulation of a country. And now you have elites looking at Poland as the new Ukraine.
Starting point is 01:52:09 We have to pray to God that doesn't happen. But, you know, you're talking about roughly 1.8 million, 2 million battlefield deaths. you know, it's, it's a frightening concept. And I go into much detail as to how I got these numbers and where they came from and how they're done. These poor guys, you know, they don't have any supplies. They get wounded. There's no way, you know, there's, you know, their freedom of movement is very limited there. And you have these guys dying all the time.
Starting point is 01:52:52 And there's absolute hatred for the system developing on the front lines. And I'm telling you, the only solution is a military coup to overthrow this system with Cossack assistance or a Cossack military coup into establish a headman. That is their only way out. All right. I will meet up for episode 93 in a couple days. Dr. Johnson. Thank you, as always. Thank you, my friend.
Starting point is 01:53:26 I want to welcome everyone back to our reading of 200 years together by Alexander Solzhenycin. This is episode 93. Dr. Johnson, I'm going to ask you how you're doing today, and I'm sure I know, I think I know what you're going to talk about. And before you say anything, I just want to say congratulations. Thank you. This is my, I don't even know what book it is, the 14th or something. On the Ukraine war, there's a link at the, you know, where everything else is on the show. And I just, for some reason, I never worked as hard, ever, ever, ever on a book or my dissertation, for that matter, as I have this.
Starting point is 01:54:12 I mean, every, every period, every semicolon, you know, there was so much technical stuff, you know, so it's just, it's, it's, it's. just feels very strange now. Even though I have 14 other books to do, I just went straight for Amazon, which is where it is. And I know once it catches on, it's going to be,
Starting point is 01:54:41 I'm going to make a lot of enemies too. So I just can't wait for those reviews to come in. But it's a huge monkey off my back. I'm very, very happy it's finished and published an hour. out and done. Well, the link to it is going to be in the show notes and in the description.
Starting point is 01:55:03 I've tweeted about it. You can go to my Twitter account and find the link to it. Go pick it up and read it. Oh, please read the acknowledgments. You'll find that very interesting. Please read the acknowledgments. And when, after I read it, after I devour it, I will, we will talk about it on a separate episode. Absolutely. But as of right now, I'm sick of it.
Starting point is 01:55:32 Give me a couple weeks. No problem. No problem. All right. Picking up where we left off last time. In November 1930, the People's Commissariat of Foreign Trade was created, and AP Rosengoltz served for seven years as its head. Jews comprised one third of its board members. Among them was S.H. DeVoilatsky, who simultaneously served in the Central Commission's on Concessions in 1934, 1936, he became a Soviet trade representative in France. At the end of the 1930, the People's Commissariat Supply was created with A. McCoyan at the helm. On its board, we see M. Belenke.
Starting point is 01:56:18 That is, another, actually the fifth man with the surname Balanky, encountered here. Soon he himself becomes the Narcom, replacing McCorm. In general, in the people's commissariats of trade and supply, the Jewish component was higher than in the upper party echelons from a quarter to a half. Still, let's not overlook Centroy Soyos, the bureaucratic center of Soviet pseudo-cooperation. After Lee Ketchuk in the 1920s, it was managed from 1931 to 1937 by I.A. Zolensky Whom we met earlier, whom we met earlier as a member of the board of the people's commissariat of foodstuffs. Foodstuffs, meaning the basics, the things that you need to, you don't eat it, but you like flour and raw grain, that kind of thing.
Starting point is 01:57:20 Although that was a tough job because they didn't have much of it. what he's going to do here and actually for quite a number of paragraphs one of which is going to be particularly painful for you as I look forward is show that there was no purge of Jews there was a purge of the old Bolsheviks and what he just said right here
Starting point is 01:57:50 is that you can't just talk about just the upper levels of the party the Narcoms too which really had more of a direct control over things, they even had a 50% Jewish control. That's extraordinary with 2% of the population. So it's unbelievable. This is the most Jewish government you could think of
Starting point is 01:58:12 outside of something like Israel. It's really extraordinary. And they saw it at least for a time as their country, even under Stalin. Let me point out once more. all these examples are for illustrative purposes only. They should not be taken to create the impression that there were no members of other nationalities on all those boards and in the prosidiums. Of course there were.
Starting point is 01:58:40 Moreover, all the above-mentioned people occupied the post only for a while. They were routinely transferred between various important positions. Yeah, we know that, Alex. We know. We know. We're not stupid. We know that actual Russians and Georgians and Ukrainians had a role in this. We know that.
Starting point is 01:59:02 It would have been impossible otherwise. But, yeah, the point is made. Let's look at transport and communications. First railroads were managed by M. Rukimovic. His portraits could be found in the major newspapers at the time. Later, he became Narcom of the defense industry with M. Kaganovich as his deputy, while the command over railroads was given to L. Kaganovich. There were important changes in the coal trust.
Starting point is 01:59:32 I. Schwartz was removed from the board, and M. Deich was assigned to replace him. T. Rosenor managed grossneft, Grozny oil. Yaakov Kugul headed the construction of the Magnitogorsk meteorological giant. Yaakov Vesnik was the director of the Krivoy-Rog metzellurgical industrial complex, and the hell of the Kuznetzk industrial complex, with its 200,000 hungry and ragged workers, was supervised by S. Frankfurt, and after him by I. Epstein, the latter was arrested in 1938, but landed on his feet because he was sent to take command over the construction of the Norrisk-Norilsk industrial complex. What I'm noticing here is, you know, this section is going to be about the Jews that took these, you know,
Starting point is 02:00:26 a mid-level but extremely important positions. The point I was trying to make is they're not being moved around nearly as radically as they were before. I mean, I could see Jews in some of these areas. I could see them as a head of finance for metallurgy. You know, I could see that. I could picture that. They're not being, they're moved around, but maybe maybe only geographically. They're not, not nearly as radically as they were under Leon Trotsky, where, you know,
Starting point is 02:01:11 or Lennon, where there was a scent everywhere, no matter where, you know, you just show up to Russia as a Jew, you get a job. And I'm noticing that they're, it's starting to make more sense in terms of building a modern bureaucracy. The Supreme Soviet of the national economy still existed, but its significance wane. After Eunschlicht, it was headed by A. Rosengoltz and then by Orzonidkidz, with Jews composing the majority of its board. At that time, the Goss Plan gathered strength. In 1931, under the chairmanship of Kubilchiv, Jews comprised more than half of its 18-member board. Let's now examine the top post in the economy during the last.
Starting point is 02:02:01 burgeoning year of Stalin's era in 1936. In 1936, Izvestia published the complete roster of the board of the People's Commissariat of Domestic Trade. Those 135 individuals had essentially ruled over the entire domestic trade in the USSR, and they were hardly disinterested men. Jews comprised almost 40% of this list, including two deputies to the Narcom, several trade inspectors, numerous head of food and manufactured good trades in the oblasts, heads of consumer unions, restaurant trusts, cafeterias, food supplies, and storage, heads of train dining cars and railroad buffets, and of course, the head of gastronom, number one, in Moscow, Elissela was also a Jew. Naturally, all this facilitated smooth running of the industry in those far from prosperous years. The concept is that if you have a
Starting point is 02:02:59 centrally planned economy. That implies that you have complete control over every piece of capital in the empire. That means that these Jews own everything where you work. Saying that, they owned the economy, that they ran this economy, as evil as it was, that was a Jewish project. That's really what he's saying here. And, you know, everything from, you know, heavy industry refers to like what food stuff is to food,
Starting point is 02:03:39 heavy industry is to industry. It's the things that you need to build things, but the foundation for it, like railroads and coal, steel, that kind of thing. Once every industry is finished, then you could go and build other things with it. and in both sides of it, Jews controlled it.
Starting point is 02:04:02 40%, they're 2% of the economy. I'm sorry, they're 2% of the population. Yeah, Jews had a great time under Stalin. In the pages of his vestia, one could read headlines like this. The management of the Union's fishing trust made major political mistakes. As a result, Moise Frumpkin was relieved of his. posts at the Board of the People's Commissariat of Domestic Trade. We saw him in the 1920s as a deputy of the Narcama Foreign Trade.
Starting point is 02:04:36 Comrade Frumpkin was punished with a stern reprimand and a warning. Conrad Clyman suffered the same punishment, and Comrade Naprakken was expelled from the party. Soon after that, as Vestia published an addendum to the roster of the People's Commissariat of Heavy Industry with 215 names in it. Those wishing to can delve into it as well. A present-day author thus writes about those people by the 1930s, quote, The children of the de-classé Jewish petty bourgeoisie succeeded in becoming the commanders of the great construction projects.
Starting point is 02:05:14 And so it appeared to those who, putting in 16 hours a day for weeks and months, never leaving the foundation pits, the swamps, the deserts, and Taiga, that it was their country. However, the author is wrong. It was blackened hard work. workers and yesterday's peasants who had no respite from toiling in foundation pits and swamps, while the director's only occasionally promenaded there, they mainly spent time in offices enjoying their special provision services, the bronze foreman. But undoubtedly, their harsh and strong-willed decisions helped to bring these construction projects to completion, building up the industrial potential of the USSR. Well, last time we already talked about the
Starting point is 02:05:58 American and Western European contribution to all of this. You know, they received concessions under Lenin and Stalin and could make a certain amount of money. But it still came under those narcos and commissions. But you really,
Starting point is 02:06:22 the sheer number of deaths in industry, people work to death. people breathing in horrible fumes and dying. I mean, it is almost absurd. There were no regulations on anything. The Goyam were forced into this. They were formerly free peasants not that long ago.
Starting point is 02:06:45 And now the entire family has to work in this factory owned by the Jews, owned by their enemies. And with very little by rations. and the death toll was tremendous. And right up until 1941, the death toll grew higher and higher and higher and higher every year. These people were almost tortured to death, working in these horrible conditions. If you think the British were bad in the 18th century,
Starting point is 02:07:22 there was nothing like under Stalin. And this, of course, led me to believe that the revolution had nothing to do with labor, had nothing to do with workers, had to do with power, and a specific Jewish power. And it's because of this kind of thing. And, you know, I've read some in Russian some of the reports of what it was like.
Starting point is 02:07:45 You know, going to the gulag sometimes was a lateral move in terms of their conditions. Everything was destroyed. You were cut off from family. and deaths and severe injury were a daily event at every factory in the USSR, with the full knowledge, by the way, of the U.S. and the British. Thus, the Soviet Jews obtained a weighty share of state, industrial, and economic power at all levels of government in the USSR.
Starting point is 02:08:18 The personality of B. Roizenman merits particular attention. See for yourself. He received the Order of Lenin in recognition of his exceptional. services in the adjustment of the state apparatus to the objectives of the large-scale offensive for socialism. What secrets, inscrutable to us, could be hidden behind this offensive? We can glance into some of them from the more direct wording for carrying out, quote, special missions of top state importance on the cleanup of state apparatus in the Soviet diplomatic missions abroad. Now let's look at the state of affairs and diplomacy. The
Starting point is 02:08:59 1920s were examined in the preceding chapter. Now we encounter other important people. For example, in the spring of 1930, Izvestia reported on page one and under a separate heading that F.A. Rothstein, the board member of the People's Commissariat of Internal Affairs, returned from vacation and resumed his duties. Well, didn't they only write this way about Stalin? To the best of my knowledge, neither or John Niskeza nor McCoyen, other very top functionaries was honored in such a way. Yet very soon, Rosteen made a slip and his career ended up two months later, ended two months later, in July 1930. With the designation of Litvenov as Narcom, Roste was removed from the board, even though we may remember he claimed
Starting point is 02:09:48 credit for the creation of the British Communist Party. In the 1930s, at the peak of Litvanov's power, a new generation appeared. The Jewish Encyclopedia writes, there was a notion of the Litvenov school of diplomacy that included the outstanding personalities of K. Umansky, Y. A. Suritz, B. Stein. He was already successful in the beginning of the 1920s, and E. Nadin, son of Parvus. Aaronberg added here the name of E. Rubinon, just as in the 1920s diplomacy attracted a cadre of Jews, so it did through the early and mid-1930s. From the moment the USSR was accepted into the League of Nations, we see Litvanovstein, Nadin, and also Brenner, Stashevsky, Marcus Rosenberg, and Svodzsk, a Georgian, as to senior members of the Soviet delegation. It was these people who represented Soviet
Starting point is 02:10:49 Russia at that form of nations. There were Soviet planetutentiaries in Europe of Jewish origin. In England, Maiski, in Germany and later in France, Y.A. Suritz, in Italy, B. Stein, after Kaminav. We also see Jewish plenipotentiaries in Spain, Austria, Romania, Greece, Lithuania, Latvia, Latvia, Belgium, Norway, and in Asia. For example, the above-mentioned Suritz represented the Soviet Union in Afghanistan as early as the Russian Civil War. Later from 1936, B. Svirsky served in Afghanistan. For many years, he was the unofficial Soviet representative in Washington. In the early in mid-1930s, a great number of Jews successfully continued to work in Soviet trade delegations. Here we find another Balanki, already the sixth individual of the same name, B.S. Belenki, who was the trade
Starting point is 02:11:45 representative in Italy from 1934 to 1937. So these people weren't just representatives of the USSR. There were representatives of Jewelry in general. And putting them in diplomatic positions was just to plug into this. We all know what happening in the British and the French condemning Russian anti-Semitism all over the place for every little thing. And very fact that they were accepted into the League of New York. nations, you know, just by itself shows you that somehow the left gets away with things
Starting point is 02:12:24 that the right never can. But, and I think part of that is Jewish money. There was always this circulation, Jews always had a circulatory system of the various cities and states, always this tremendous amount of liquidity to use. like up here, Eganid and son of Parvus. Parvus was one of the main intermediaries in financing the Soviet Bolshek Party prior to the revolution. And that's not insignificant.
Starting point is 02:13:04 I'm sorry. No, yeah, anyway, so that's, yeah, they're there to plug into the Jewish community there, which of course is very powerful. Concerning the Red Army, the aforementioned Israeli researcher Aaron Abramovich, that in the 1930s, a significant number of Jewish officers served in the Army. There were many of them, in particular in the Revolutionary Military Soviet, in the Central Administrations of the People's Commissariat of Defense, in the general staff, and at lower levels,
Starting point is 02:13:34 in the military districts in the Army's core, divisions, brigades, and all military units. The Jews still played a prominent role in the political organs. The entire central political administration of the Red Army came under command, of the trustworthy Meckles after the suicide of the trustworthy Gamarnik. Here are several names from the cream of the political administration. Morduk Khorush was a deputy director of the political administration of the Red Army in the 1930s, and later until his arrest, he was in charge of the political administration of the Kiev military district.
Starting point is 02:14:12 From 1929 through 1937, Lazar Arenstam headed the political administration. of the Belarusian, Belarusian military district, then of the special far eastern army, and later of the Moscow military district. Isaac Grinberg was a senior inspector of the political administration of the Red Army, and later the deputy director of the political administration of the Leningrad district. Boris Ipbo, he participated in the pacification of Central Asia during the Civil War as the head of the political administration of the Turk-Turkistan front and later of the Central Asian District was the head of the political administration of the Caucasus's Red Army and later
Starting point is 02:14:58 the director of the military political academy. The already mentioned Mikhail Landa from 1930 to 1937 was the chief editor of Krasnaya Zeda, the Red Star, the official newspaper of the Soviet military. Nam Rozovsky was a military prosecutor since the Civil War. By 1936, he was the chief military prosecutor of the Red Army. Now, I know I've said this before, but it's often brought up in different ways using different terms. What is the political administration? These are precisely the people I mentioned before, where you would have a, usually a Jewish communist at the side of every general,
Starting point is 02:15:43 of every admiral, making sure that what he did was according to party doctrine and Soviet doctrine, and that he didn't become too popular, and that he didn't become a Russian nationalist or something horrible like that. So many of the losses in World War II, Soviet side, came from their incompetence.
Starting point is 02:16:12 None of these men had a military experience. None of them. The political administration had nothing to do with actual combat. They were there to enforce Soviet doctrine, especially when World War II broke out that no one was allowed to retreat. and there was always a line behind to shoot. That's no myth. That's absolutely true.
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Starting point is 02:16:59 is Multitrip.com is regulated by the central buck of Ireland. A solemn war of extermination. That book by itself goes into great detail as to what a political administration is. They have the school. You only are most fanatical communists, and you would think that that would be mostly Jews, were given those roles. And a military man of high rank couldn't do anything without their approval. What were they called push?
Starting point is 02:17:33 They're called like push lines or something like that. I know Suvorov mentioned. Yeah. Yeah, he does. I forget exactly what it is. Push or just, I can't remember the term of the top of my head, but a huge number of their losses came from that. Yeah, anybody who was retreating was shot by this line of this push line.
Starting point is 02:17:56 Yeah. Yep. Garmernick remained the deputy of Voroshislav, the chairman of the Revolutionary Military Soviet until 1934, when the organization was disbanded. In the 1930s, in addition to those named the previous chapter, among the heads of the central administrations of the Red Army, we encounter the following individuals. Abram Volpe, the head of the administrative mobilization administration, in the previous chapter, he was identified as the chief of staff of the Moscow military district.
Starting point is 02:18:26 Semyon Eritzky of the military intelligence administration until 1937. Boris Feldman, isn't that my dentist? I'm sorry. It's my accountant. Boris Feldman, the head of the Central Personnel Administration, and Leonty Kotliar, the head of the Central Military Engineering Administration in the pre-war years. Among the commanders of the branches of the military, we find A. Gouldsman, the head of the military aviation, head of military aviation.
Starting point is 02:18:56 aviation from 1932, we already saw him in the Central Control Commission, and as a union activist, he died in a plane crash. Among the commanders of the military districts, we again see Ayona Yakir, Crimean District, and later the important Kiev district, and Lev Gordon, Turkestan District. Although we have no data on Jewish representation in the lower ranks, there is little doubt that when a structure, be it a political administration of the Army, a supply service, or a party or a commissariat apparatus was headed by a Jew. It was accompanied as a rule by a quite noticeable Jewish presence among its staff.
Starting point is 02:19:36 So you can't talk to me, you can't talk to anyone about there being some kind of anti-Semitic purge here. Because those generals that survived, and these generals and admirals were retired, they weren't slaughtered or anything. You know, I said that before. every last one of them, the new, their replacements, who were competent, had to have one of these guys next to them. I still can't imagine doing your job, you know, coming up with strategy and looking over these maps and everything and talking to lower level officers and having this guy, you know, in your ear, that Yiddish accent talking about, you know, we need to slaughter the William here. And that was exactly the case in Central Asia. which he mentions here, where there was a full genocide there under the Jewish administration.
Starting point is 02:20:34 But political administration, meaning it was attached to the military. There was no other country that I know of that had anything like this. Well, except for coming, you know, China had something like that. But it does show the fear in the Jewish elite that, you know, the army may start having opinions of their own. because yeah there were plenty of Jewish officers they weren't a huge number and if they start having opinions of their own we might be in serious trouble
Starting point is 02:21:05 and as they were responsible for more and more deaths of the glory on the front they even you know if they were freed from these people they'd be a slort These guys were particularly prized by Germans if they could ever pick one off during the invasion. They knew all about it.
Starting point is 02:21:35 And they also had a connection to the partisans too and for the invasion, becoming as partisans. And only the most fanatical could work there, as I've said. And, you know, the lower ranks, yet you may have had an office for a bunch of the lower ranks, but not one-to-one like you have as generals and an admiral. Yet service in the army is not a vice. It can be quite constructive. So what about our good old GPU NKVD? A modern research relying on archives writes, the first half of the 1930s was characterized by the increasingly important role of Jews in the state security apparatus. And on the eve of the most massive repressions, the ethnic composition of the Supreme
Starting point is 02:22:23 command of the NKVD, the list of decorated Czechists on the occasion of the 20th anniversary of the Cheka OGPU, NKVD. The list of 407 senior officials published in the central press contained 56 Jews, 13.8%, and 7 Latvians, 1.7%. When the GPU was reformed into the NKVD with Yagoda at the head, they twice published the names of the Supreme Commissars of the NKVD. What a rare chance to a peek behind a usually impenetrable wall. Commissars of state security of the first rank, YAS, there's a list of a ton of Jewish names here. I would say it's painful look at. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:23:09 15. Of course not. Very few of them look like a very few of them are Russian names. Yeah. Of course, not all of them were Jews, but a good half were. So the Jewish Czechists were still there. they didn't leave, nor were they forced out of the NKVD, the same NKVD, which was devouring the country after the death of Kirov,
Starting point is 02:23:33 and which later devoured itself. Yeah, the bringing Cheka, which was a more wild, just slaughter of the, you know, peasants, Goyim, had to be brought, made into a more regular bureaucracy. And that was the NKVD. They were getting settled as an actual revolutionary, empire or nation state or how you want to put it. But Stalin was aware that you needed to have these people.
Starting point is 02:24:05 And they were overseeing, you know, it's not just military, but in any area where Jews were not well represented, in any sector of the economy, you had a political administration there too. So it is, you know, they could be 2% of the, of the, of the party. But if they're used this way, then it is a completely Jewish phenomenon
Starting point is 02:24:32 and the starvation and the absolute, you know, slaughter in, again, industrialization, usually with American funds during the Depression, no less. We couldn't use them in the U.S.
Starting point is 02:24:52 Harder working conditions. that I don't have, I have an excellent vocabulary, but I can't, I can't describe that from what I've read thus far, at least in Russian. You know, the family was brought, the family was initially abolished under Lenin, but that created such chaos that they had to, you know, make a divorce more difficult, etc. Polonia Colomtei was the female I don't know if he was a Jew or not actually I don't know
Starting point is 02:25:37 she was in charge of like family and cultural things and she wanted to abolish it entirely make abortion real easy that kind of thing but that had to change nevertheless the ideology had done its job and all of Russia essentially became one big proletarian, except for these Jews. A.A. Slutsky was a director of the NKVD foreign section,
Starting point is 02:26:10 that is, he was in charge of espionage abroad. His deputies were Boris Berman and Sergei Spiegelglass. Pauker was a barber from Budapest who connected with the communists while he was a Russian POW in 1960s. Initially, he was in charge of the Kremlin security and later became the head of the operations section of the NKVD. Of course, due to secrecy and the non-approachability of these highly placed individuals, it is difficult to judge them conclusively. Take, for instance, Nome Leonid Ettingen, who orchestrated the murder of Trotsky and was the organizer of the Cambridge Five espionage ring and who oversaw the nuclear espionage after the war, a true ace. of espionage. Or take Lev Feldben. He used a catchy pseudonym of Alexander Orloff.
Starting point is 02:27:07 Very rushed. A prominent and long-serving Czechist, he headed the economic section of the foreign department of GPU, that is, he supervised all foreign trade of the USSR. He was a trusted agent of those who were instructed in the shroud of full secrecy on how to extract extract false confessions from the victims. Many of the NKVD investigators ended up being subordinate to him, and yet he was completely hidden from the public and became famous only later when he defected to the West, and how many such posts were there? Yeah, he didn't quite make the level of fame as Sultanith himself did or, you know, Berman or any
Starting point is 02:27:51 others. But this is, I like the idea of extracting false confessions. That somehow that became a Jewish specialty. And we all know where that could be applied and where that was applied. Pauker, of course, eventually, or I was his daughter or something took over Romania after World War II. and became a dictator. They're completely alienated. These people had no connection to the countries that they ruled or the regions that they ruled. You know, and espionage abroad, yeah, they had some of it. It was very easy for them to get, you know, the Cambridge Five, most homosexuals in Britain,
Starting point is 02:28:45 getting nuclear, you know, formulas and everything else right after the war. You know, we talked about this where the Jews were getting, then when things got worse as time went on after this, and Jews became, were separating from the Soviet Union, they then took all of this knowledge to Israel and hence the U.S. So it was used by them. Not that it affected the Soviet Union too much. Remember, the Soviets were supporting the Syrians and the Iraqis.
Starting point is 02:29:24 So the NKVD was in charge of bringing people to the camps, which sometimes, depending on where the camp was, compared to the industrial life, I don't know, maybe it was an improvement. Maybe that's maybe that's an exaggeration. But these guys were good. They weren't as good. The Americans had more foreign espionage. It was better. MI6. they were a little bit better.
Starting point is 02:29:54 They had more of an interest, really because there wasn't much of a need. Because still, in the Western world, intellectuals overwhelmingly saw the U.S.S.Rs away for the future. And so foreign espionized, what for? You already have them investing here. Then after World War II, the U.S. completely eliminated all war debt. That would be a huge debt. the only time I think the state has ever done that in this case and then started rebuilding parts of the Russian economy including the military part of it. There was never a time where there was any separation between Western elites, whether you're mediated by Jews and then the elites and the USSR until maybe the late 70s.
Starting point is 02:30:51 Or take Mikhail Koltsov Friedland, the political advisor to the Republican government of Spain, who took part in some of the major GPU adventures. M. Berman was assigned as deputy to the Narcom of Internal Affairs. Aeshov, within three days of the latter, was installed on September 27, 1936. Still, Berman remained the director of the Gulag. And along with Etchoff came his handyman. Mikhail Litvin, his longtime associate in the central committee of the party, became the director of the personnel department of the NKVD.
Starting point is 02:31:28 By May 1937, he rose to the unmatched rank of director of the secret political section of the main directorate of state security of the NKVD. In 1931 through 36, Henrik Lushkov was the deputy director of that section. He deserted to Japan in 1938 and was then killed by a Japanese bullet in 1945. By the end of the war, the Japanese did not want to give him back and had no option but shoot him. In this way, we can extensively describe the careers of each of them. In the same section, Alexander Rajalovsky was an agent for special missions. Another longtime Eshoff colleague, Isaac Shapiro, was Eshoff's personal assistant from 1934,
Starting point is 02:32:21 and then he became director of the NKVD Secretariat and later was the director of the infamous special section of the main directorate of state security of the NKVD. Look, these men, these Jews were responsible for the deaths of maybe 30 million people through different ways in different places. I'm not talking about the war, but I'm talking about, you know, the starvation. or execution, or freezing to death. And no one's ever heard of them. And that's the outrage here.
Starting point is 02:33:06 And Jews still talk very highly about Stalin, having defeated the Nazi menace. But this was, these people were in charge of the Gulag. They were in charge of these executions, Berman and many others. as I said a hundred times before, in the punitive areas, the areas of police units, the Jews figured prominently. Of course, none of them were actually, you know, military men or policemen, but they knew what they wanted to do. So, the very fact he's listing all of these Jews here, these Jews are collectively responsible for the deaths of 20, 30 million.
Starting point is 02:33:52 And the fact that no one's ever heard of them, no one's ever suffered because of this. In fact, they're celebrated is something that irritates me. It will always irritate me. In December 1936, among the head of 10 sections for secrecy designated only by number, of the main directorate of state security of the NKVD, we see seven Jews, the security section number one, K. Parker, counterintelligence, L. Mirinov, special section, L. L. L. L. Plevskiy, Transport, A. Shannon, Foreign Section, a Slutsky Records and Registration, v. Cesarisarsky prisons, Y.A. Weinstack.
Starting point is 02:34:37 Over the course of the meat grinding year of 1937, several other Jews occupied posts of directors of those sections. A. Zalpiter Operation Section, Y.A. Agranov, followed by M. Litvin, secret political section. A. Meneyev, Sikanovski, counterintelligence, and I. Shapiro special section. You know, it seems like that Jews take who were placed in the utter dominant positions
Starting point is 02:35:09 within a bureaucracy. Yeah, they can't control everything. You know, everyone technically is a government worker in the USSR. But in terms of the state, you know, there's not that many Jews. so but they were given
Starting point is 02:35:25 head of the chief positions prisons records and registration counterintelligence and stuff like that human resources as I've heard before
Starting point is 02:35:39 you know the center the heartbeat of any organization and the very fact that you had these political commissars on top of that so if there were too many go in one place, especially if they were Russian, and anything was heard from them,
Starting point is 02:36:01 that they were upset. You know, there's too many Jews. It's Russians are being exploited. It got back to whoever needed to get back to the head of the police unit, and that guy would be gone. And, you know, the other thing that irritates me is that during this era, you have have Western churchmen. I've said this before, but it was a little different now,
Starting point is 02:36:31 being brought over, given the tour, the Potemkin Village tour, you know, all these happy workers throwing flowers and food packed up and down. And they're so stupid. They would actually go back and say, there's no persecution in USSR. USSR is a Christian country. and the Russian church that Stalin had to create, but he did create in 1944, talked about his defense of the Orthodox faith.
Starting point is 02:37:09 You know, and Solzhenitin actually talked about this much later on in his career, or earlier than this book, I should say, but later than the archipelago. You know, like for example, there was a oftentimes, prisoners were sent to the gulag in a truck that was marked meat. And they saw a lot of these trucks going by.
Starting point is 02:37:41 And, you know, the archbishop of Canterbury went, oh, my God, they're so prosperous here. And went back and told everyone that. The WCC was very pro-Soviet from there on in, as was the Patrick of Constantiniannobo. it's just it's extremely upsetting the entire situation but I am happy that one guy who deserted was shot by the Japanese 1945 that made me laugh I named the leadership of the gulag in my book Gulag Archipelago yes there was a large proportion of Jews among its command portraits of the directors of construction of the white sea Baltic canal which I reproduced from the Soviet commemorative corpus of 1936 caused
Starting point is 02:38:28 outrage. They claim that I have only selected the Jews only on purpose, but I did not select them. I just reproduced the photographs of all the high directors of the Belbutzlaug from that immortal book. Am I guilty that they have turned out to be Jews? Who had selected them for those posts? Who is guilty? I will now add information about three prominent men whom I did not know then. before the Belbatslaug, one Lazar Kogan, worked as the head of the gulag. Zinovi Katznelson was the deputy head of the gulag from 1934 onward. Israel Pliner was the head of the gulag from 1936, and later he oversaw the completion of construction of the Moscow Volga Canal, 1937.
Starting point is 02:39:18 Whenever you talk about the canals, you talk about mass death. mass death, but especially up north, but also in the central regions. It was so difficult working in that. Most of this stuff was done by hand. And yet they froze to death up north, and they were worked to death and sometimes drowned down south. And they should be also included in the list of people. I don't know, many of our listeners probably have the Black Book of Communism.
Starting point is 02:39:54 I think the Hoover Press puts that out, Hoover Interested Press puts that out. And it goes through some of this in great detail. And that's where the 30 million figure comes from, because it includes stuff like this. And why is it that one Jew after another, after another, after another, runs a gulag? Why would that be the case?
Starting point is 02:40:17 There's, you know, there has to be a reason for it because, you know, a Jew is not going to see. And there were some, you know, Jewish, inmates. I'm not going to deny that. But overwhelmingly, it was the Guiam. They're not going to care. It's like Zelensky in his inner circle right now, who are entirely Jewish, doesn't give a damn about casualties, but only a Jew could do that.
Starting point is 02:40:50 And this is, but the control of the gulag and then the Jews turned on him in Sultan-Etsin after he published that. It didn't matter whether he won the Nobel Prize or not. And there was a flood of anti-Sultzhenitsyn academic literature that came out after that. How dare he mention that the names of these people? Sometimes they accused him of making it up. They accused him of cherry-picking. he was doing no such thing. He was simply listing them. And, you know, he, and so Solton Eaton
Starting point is 02:41:37 then was trailed by the FBI for quite a while. I've seen his FBI report, which is available. It's somewhere in PDF form. They didn't trust him. They never kicked him out, but they didn't trust them. It all comes down to the Jews. It can't be denied that history elevated many Soviet Jews into the ranks of the arbiters of the fate of all Russians was it history
Starting point is 02:42:07 Dr. Johnson? I've never met history before. I guess he has. I think you may be doing that tongue in cheek maybe a little bit and he called this book immortal. You know, you don't usually say stuff like that
Starting point is 02:42:25 about your own books. it's yeah i think i think it's a little bit funny on his part that's just random that they're there no they're there because they're jews and they dominated the party and the the slaughter of of russians just take russians just of the russian ethnicity alone um you know they have a huge responsibility for this. Actually, they have almost the entire responsibility for this. I don't know this about Solzhenycin, and I'm probably way off. He wasn't Hegelian, was he? Oh, well, I, you know, I tend to be one. Right. But I could see a Hegelian writing that, I could see a Hegelian writing that sentence.
Starting point is 02:43:26 Yeah. Yeah, that would have to need a lot of explanation. but it's not something I would ever write because it removes moral responsibility which is something that Hague will never do anyway. You know, the German idealists, all of them knew what the Jew was and talked about, even Emmanuel Kant condemned the Jews in no uncertain terms. It's only been since World War II that you can't talk about the Jews. prior to that you had everyone
Starting point is 02:44:02 one point or another including these leftists we talked about already the founders of all these leftist movements knowing that the Jews were a problem and our talk on the Udayan Frogga the Jewish question that we did separately from this but clearly connected to this
Starting point is 02:44:21 we went through all the founders of the leftist movements anarchism and socialism and they all knew what the Jew was. And they mentioned it. I mean, Pierre Joseph Prudhon, the founder of anarchism. Bakunen, the founder of Russian anarchism.
Starting point is 02:44:44 Yeah, these are significant people. And they talked about it often, and especially Bakunin. And he would agree with us on all of this stuff. He wouldn't agree with our solutions. But he would agree with us on the Jewish nation. nature of this. He would have despised the Soviet Union. It would have been the opposite of everything he fought for. He was a demonist. Don't get me wrong. But in this particular issue, he would have been with us 100%. All right. We're going to break right there. We're at a stopping point.
Starting point is 02:45:23 And I will encourage everyone to go over to the show notes and the description of the videos. And not only support Dr. Johnson's work, but I'm going to add the links. to his new book there. Go buy it. Don't deprive yourself of the information that he's putting out about the Russo-Ukrainian war. And, yeah, that's a good way to support Dr. Johnson's work. If you're one of those people who just doesn't want to send money, go buy the book. Right.
Starting point is 02:45:54 So you can learn something. I appreciate that. Yeah, you got to learn something along the way, too. So that's it, Dr. Johnson. We will reconvene in a couple of days. and for episode 94 and keep this going. All right. I'll talk to you then, my friend.
Starting point is 02:46:10 Take care. Bye. I want to welcome everyone back to our reading of 200 years together by Alexander Solzhenyson. Episode 94. Dr. Johnson, how are you doing today? I can't believe that. This has been going on for so long. It's just a part of my life now, you know?
Starting point is 02:46:30 94 94 hours worth of material over one book but I'm doing better and I am joined here by Stanley guarding me but he's not really guarding me he's sleeping
Starting point is 02:46:46 on the cat bed next to me occasionally I hear him snore but so yeah and he's doing wonderful Marcel's doing wonderful you know relatively speaking So I thank God we're out of that disastrous fall period of my life. It was not doing well.
Starting point is 02:47:06 But I think that's over. Awesome. Yeah. It seems like a lot of our guys had health issues all at the same time. Mine were in September, years, went into October, November. I mean, and like three or four other guys had something going on at the same time. So, yeah, hopefully this winter will just treat us right. Oh, I love winter. I definitely do.
Starting point is 02:47:36 Especially out here. Yeah. All right. Picking up where we left off last time. Yes, sir. Never publicized information about events of different times flows from different sources about the regional plenipotentiaries of GPU and KVD in the 1930s before 1937. The names of their offices were, the names of their offices fully deserved to be written in capital letters, for it was precisely them and not the secretaries of the obcums, who were the supreme masters of their oblasts, masters of the life and death of any inhabitant, who reported directly only to the central NKVD in Moscow.
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Starting point is 02:48:51 If we could only find the dates and details of their service, alas, all this was done in secret. And in all of the 1930s, many Jews remained among those provincial lords. According to the recently published data, in the regional organs of state security, not counting the main director of state security, there were 1,776 Jews, 7.4% of the total members serving. You know, it was such a shock when in the early 90s, because I was there for it, I was in college when those files were open for the first time. It was a shock really to the left because everything that people like Joe McCarthy,
Starting point is 02:49:41 others like him, Henry Ford, everything that they were saying was true. Now, I know that there was some attempt to, you know, get rid of a lot of them, put them out of order. I don't know if there were many destroyed just so it couldn't keep going, but by the mid-90s, this stuff had been now published and, well, not even in English in certain places. And it just, you know, those documents show that everything that people like us, you know, our forebearers were saying decades ago was absolutely true about the U.S.S.S.R. A few Jewish, a few Jewish plenipentiaries are listed here. in Belarusia, Israel Leplewski, brother of the deputy general prosecutor Gregori Leplevsky. We already saw him in the Cheka.
Starting point is 02:50:37 Later, he worked in a senior post in the GPU as a commissar of state security of second rank. And now we see him as the Narcom of Internal Affairs of Belarus, Russia, from 1934 to 1936. In the Western Oblast, I Am Blat, he later worked in. Chelyabinsk in the Ukraine. Z. Katsnelson, we saw him in the Civil War all around the country from the Caspian Sea to the White Sea. Now he was the deputy head of the Gulag. Later, we see him as deputy Narcom of Internal Affairs of Ukraine. In 1937, he was replaced by Loplyfsky. We see D.M. Sokolinsky, first in Donetsuoblast and later in Venetza Oblast, L.YA. Fyivilovich and Friedberg in the Northern Caucasus.
Starting point is 02:51:30 Yeah, we could. I don't want you to suffer anymore. This is a list, you know, working for, yeah, and every, every republic. And so that, that's seven, what does you say, 7.3% figure, it's a little misleading since at the mid and local levels, they were absolutely dominant. and remember they also control the gulag and they controlled the police apparatus at the federal
Starting point is 02:52:01 or what we would call the federal level or the all union level as they would call it so he just shows that he's refuting the notion that Stalin had any purge of Jews as Jews it's utter nonsense Jews were everywhere maybe not to the extent as they were
Starting point is 02:52:21 in you know in the 20s because some of them just made good revolutionaries but not good workers. You know, I said it before, but building a modern estate that's able to support revolutions in other parts of the world, you know, your typical revolutionary nut job isn't very useful. But that figure can be misleading. That's 7.3, whatever it was, what do you say? 7.4% of the total.
Starting point is 02:52:54 you know, that's misleading because they are in key positions. They're in dominant positions, not just at the top level, but at the mid-level as well. And, you know, really only need, to be honest, a handful of Jews in any group, and they're going to run it, especially since criticizing them was illegal. So Russians and Georgians and others needed to come in and staff the bureaucracy and of course, you know, be drafted into the army. But it didn't make it any less of a Judaic movement. All these high-placed NKVD officials were tossed from one oblast to another in exactly the same manner as the secretaries of obcams. Take, for instance, Vladimir Sissarsky was plenty of potentiality of the GPU and KVD. in Odessa, Kiev, and in the Far East. By 1937, he had risen to the head of the special section
Starting point is 02:53:57 of the main directorate of state security of the NKVD, just before Shapiro. Or look at Asmirinoff Coral. In 1933-36, he was head of the De Nopropet-Sgruff. Sorry about that, GPU NKVD. In 1937, he was in charge of the Western Siberia NKVD. He also served in the central apparatus of the GPU, NKVD. In the mid-1930s, we see Elvool as the head of Moscow and later of Saratov Police. The plenipotentiary in Moscow was El Belski after serving in Central Asia. Later, he had risen to the head of the Internal Services Troop of the NKVD. In the 1930s, we see many others.
Starting point is 02:54:42 Fosham was in charge of the border troops. Miersen was the head of the Economic Planning Section of the NKVD, L.I. Berenson, and later L.M.A. Abramson headed the finance department of the Gulag and Abram Flixer headed the personnel section of the gulag. All these are disconnected pieces of information, not amenable to methodical, anal methodical, I don't think that's supposed to say anal. Moreover, I think that's the misprint, yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:55:13 There were special sections in each provisional office of the NKVD. Here is another isolated bit, a bit of information. Yaakov Braverman was the head of the secretariat of the special section of the NKVD in Kiev. He later worked in the same capacity in the central NKVD apparatus. You know, if we had read the previous paragraph where there's this laundry list of Jews, not just in Russia, but in all the provinces and all the republics in dominant positions, you have to come to the conclusion that Jews. were not persecuted in this era, they were thriving in this era. It was Russians, and it was Ukrainians who were not, who were suffering, because this is a period of starvation. This is a period of the continued destruction of the church, which is very core of orthodox, of Russian
Starting point is 02:56:10 culture. And, you know, bringing it up is a problem. You know, and it's considered a program. It's pogrom, as we've mentioned before, just to even bring it up, just to, if you're in argument with somebody over something, you say, well, that's because you're a Jew, you believe this kind of thing, you're going to stick with your other Jews, that that's, you're off, you're done. Even though it's completely true, truth is never a defense in these things. So, you know, the people had to bite their tongue. But I think at this stage, Stalin had just kind of apolitical, bureaucratic.
Starting point is 02:56:50 I mean, yeah, they all gave lip service to the USSR, but they had to be professionals in order to run, you know, Department of Defense or anything else. But I started to laugh at when I saw the finance department of the Gulaug. For some reason, it doesn't seem to go together. And also, I should note, and I've said it before too, that moving them around has a lot to do with making sure that they don't have, get any roots in one particular place. because then killing them or removing, you know, expelling them or doing something equally awful to them, it's going to be more difficult. They always have to be strangers to you. Even though they're going, whatever, you know, you can't develop any. So that's why they're moved around so much.
Starting point is 02:57:40 A lot of secret police services do the exact same thing. So regardless of the official numbers, we're seeing Jews in dominant positions. in pretty much everything with Russians in the bureaucracy and be a Balt in some Germans underneath them
Starting point is 02:58:02 doing all the work they're not the ones getting their hands dirty most of the time so the NKVD had its own economic planning section you know
Starting point is 02:58:14 but if you're going to have a purely planned economy every aspect of your existence has to be under state control and under state observation and surveillance. There's no other way to do it.
Starting point is 02:58:30 That's why it doesn't matter where socialism is going to take place. The U.S., Canada, wherever, a purely social government takes over, they're going to have to do that. Without the market, what are you going to do? So,
Starting point is 02:58:48 and that's why, you know, that's the main point here. But that's why they get moved around. But you notice, though, that a few weeks ago, we saw how Jews were just pushed around. They were getting any job. One was in the Navy. Then he became secretary of, you know, part of the agricultural department. Then he became a head of propaganda.
Starting point is 02:59:13 You know, that was just, it was ridiculous to hear it. They couldn't. Now you're starting to see more specialized expertise. because even though they're being moved around and they have different job titles in different places, they seem to be focused on one thing. And that's a very, that's a Stalinist development. And more people were killed by the Stalinist system,
Starting point is 02:59:42 not because it was worse than Leninist one, but he had this bureaucracy built with a lot of American money that he could use, that he had at his disposal. You had rebellions all the time, especially over religious stuff. But as a bureaucracy became more professional, more and more people were going to be murdered.
Starting point is 03:00:12 Later, in 1940, when the Soviets occupied the Baltic states of Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia, the head of the Vinsk NKVD was one Kaplan. He dealt so harshly with the people there that in 1941, when the Red Army had hardly left and before the arrival of Germans, there was an explosion of public outrage against the Jews. In the novel by D.P. Vittkovsky, Half-Life, there is a phrase about the Jewish looks of investigator Yakovlev. The action is set
Starting point is 03:00:44 during Khrushchev's regime. Vitzowski put it rather harshly so that Jews, who by the end of the 1960s were already on the way of breaking away from communism and in their new political orientation developed sympathy to any camp memoirs were nonetheless repulsed by such a description. I remember V. Gershuni asked me how many other Jewish investigators did Votovsky come across during his 30-year-long ordeal? And it really depends not just on the ideology but on the personality. They were always pretty harsh wherever they were. but in some places it was particularly nasty.
Starting point is 03:01:26 And yet in history textbooks today, they will be condemned for welcoming the Germans, the normal population welcoming the Germans in. Most of Russia did. Most of Russia did. It's unfortunate that the SS later on mess that up, especially in Ukraine. But at least initially,
Starting point is 03:01:52 the infantry, you know, the regular army, was just, and, you know, they were, they were giving information on, you know, the partisans, they were given information on, you know, certain parts of the topography and everything else. And they assisted the German cause tremendously. So this is part of the reason why Stalin had the policy
Starting point is 03:02:17 that even if you had been a P.O.W. like Sultan I'm was. A German P.O.W. You still were tainted. It could really never be a part of society. You know, because he was well aware how hated his movement was. It may have been subconscious. He thinks that he is the end of all history.
Starting point is 03:02:41 He wasn't a bad writer. People think of him as just a thug and an ignoramus. He was about the same as Lenin in that department. His works were available online for free. in English, any other language. I don't think Lenin was a philosopher either. But Stalin
Starting point is 03:03:02 took Lenin and Trotsky and then was able to amplify everything through these Jews that they were unable to do because they, you know, it was a new revolutionary government that was dealing with practically civil war conditions.
Starting point is 03:03:17 Now, while you still have rebellions all over the place, they weren't nearly as large as they were in the 20th. 20s. But they existed. I don't want to downplay it. They're very, very strict gun laws. There were no gun laws in Zaris, Russia, whatsoever. You could do whatever you wanted. And I guarantee you they were not enforced against Jews in this period of time. But that's, you know, the point of this is, you know, is to lay out a reason why they were hated. and why they were well, Jews were hated and why the Germans were such a relief. Finally, you had some rational economic organization. You know, they kind of just went in.
Starting point is 03:04:05 The attitude was, let's do the opposite of what Stalin did. If you go to my archives, it really just a few months ago, and I've done it before, but I've developed newer ideas on the Lakot in the forest of eastern Belarus. It was a fairly small national socialist community. And it did extremely well. And La Cote is on its own flag, had its own security services.
Starting point is 03:04:42 And I strongly recommend anyone, that was kind of almost an experimental NS community. that was only made possible by the German advance, but it wasn't too long before. I mean, the Germans didn't have a chance anyway, and they were well aware of it. Hitler was well aware of it. They didn't have a chance. The only reason they were able to continue this invasion is that they took all of the mass of supplies that were at the western border of the USSR.
Starting point is 03:05:16 The German army was not ready for this kind of a thing. The German Air Force certainly was not ready for this kind of thing. They didn't have the armor for it. The armor was very weak. It was not a Blitzkrieg by any means. You had about 250,000 horses that were used in bringing, what kind of a Blitzkrieg could be done that way. So, but this is, you know, this is why, you know, he was done,
Starting point is 03:05:42 he was going to preempt an invasion. It was a suicidal mission. But when he was victorious in the beginning, he was the Germans absolutely were loved by by everyone. They may have had different reasons. But it's important to realize why. What an astonishing forgetfulness betrayed by that rather innocent slip. Would not it have been more appropriate to mention not the 30 years, but 50 years, or at least 40 years?
Starting point is 03:06:14 Indeed, Vitovsky might not have encountered many Jewish investigators during his last 30 years from the end of the 1930s, though they could still be found around even in the 1960s. Yet Vytovsky was persecuted by the organs for 40 years. He survived the Solofky camp, and he apparently did not forget the time when a Russian investigator was a less frequent site than a Jewish or a Latvian one. Nevertheless, Gershuni was right in implying that all these outstanding and not-so-outstanding posts were fraught with death for their occupants,
Starting point is 03:06:51 the more so, the closer it was to 1937 to 1938. Yeah, the thing to keep their mind is that they weren't purged for being Jews. Now, Solton Eaton did say something earlier, a few paragraphs ago, that I'm writing on right now. That needs to be taken more seriously is the Jews eventually pulled away from the Soviet Union roughly in the late 60s, early 70s. because of Israel and the success of the Western world and stuff like that. You know, the capital was growing old. The prophets weren't there anymore. Then you may have had some actual anti-Jewishness coming out in the party.
Starting point is 03:07:38 Russian nationalist groups looked to the port. Believe it or not, in the 80s, Russian nationalist groups often were, you know, they looked to the party for assistance. and when you read some of their you know, I'm talking about official documents here. You have a nationalist point of view. Yeah, they may have a picture of Lenin on the top of it.
Starting point is 03:08:03 That scares people. It should not be frightening. Otherwise, it's purely nationalist, Eurasian, Orthodox stuff. And it's only because the Jews had pulled away, not because they were persecuted, but they wanted to go to. is really going to go to the U.S.
Starting point is 03:08:19 We all know that the real promised land for them is New York City. Our arbiters confidently ruled from their heights, and when they were suddenly delivered a blow, it must have seemed to them like the collapse of the universe, like the end of the world. Wasn't there anyone among them before the onslaught who reflected on the usual fate of revolutionaries? Among the major communist functionaries who perished in 1937 to 38, the Jews comprise an enormous percentage. For example, a modern historian writes that if from the 1st January 1935 to the first January
Starting point is 03:08:54 1938, the members of this nationality headed more than 50% of the main structural units of the central apparatus of the people's commissariat of internal affairs, then by January 1st, 1939, they headed only 6%. Yeah, it's important to note that, oh yeah, go ahead, go ahead, let's do the next one. Okay, using numerous execution limits. that were published over the recent decades, and the biographical tomes of the modern Russian Jewish encyclopedia, we were able to trace to some degree the fates of those outstanding and powerful Czechists,
Starting point is 03:09:30 Red commanders, Soviet party officials, diplomats, and others, whom we mentioned in the previous chapters of this book. Yeah, it's, I want to reiterate here, and Stalin really had no choice in the matter. Stalin was a revolutionary. He was a bank robber. you know, but there's a big difference between carrying out a revolution. I mean, it mentions with the effect on the fate of revolutionarians.
Starting point is 03:10:00 Well, it starts to eat itself. A revolution, a true revolution, usually ends in civil war. This was a controlled war, but it still was, you know, their own destruction. Same thing in France. You know, a revolution, of course, is totalitarian. therefore it's left us by definition. But there was a great degree of arbitrariness in the system. And whether this benefited Jews or not,
Starting point is 03:10:30 you know, Jews still remained very powerful. But the Jews that were removed were not removed because they were Jews. It was because they were often very wild revolutionaries. They didn't know how to build. the state. They didn't understand how bureaucracy worked, but they had to be one if they were going to be a killing machine that they installed in Vichage. All right. I have come to a paragraph that is just a list of names. I'm not going to read every name here. I will read the head. I will read the title here. Among the Chequist, the destruction was particularly overwhelming. The name of those
Starting point is 03:11:16 executed or italicized. There's about 30 names here. you can see Shapiro's there, and the last name they mentioned is Yagoda. So I will move on. Yes, yes. Thank God. I don't want to hurt you in any way. Nowadays, entire directories containing lists of the highest officials of the central apparatus of the main directorate of the state security, the NKVD, who fell during
Starting point is 03:11:44 the Eschoff's period of executions and repressions are published. There were, there we see many more Jewish names. But only accidentally, thanks to the still unbridled glasnos that began in the beginning of the 1990s, we learned about several mysterious biographies formerly shoddered in secrecy. For example, from 1937, Professor Gagori, Myronovsky, a specialist in poisons, headed the Laboratory X in the special section of operations technology, the NKVD, which carried out death sentences through injections with poison by the direct decision of the government in 37 through 47 and in 1950.
Starting point is 03:12:29 The executions were performed in a special prisoner cell at Laboratory X, as well as abroad, even in the 1960s and 1970s. Myronovsky was arrested only in 1951. from his cell he wrote to Beria. Quote, dozens of sworn enemies of the Soviet Union, including all kinds of nationalists, were destroyed by my hand, end quote. And from the astonishing disclosure of 1990, we learned that the famous mobile gas chambers were invented, as it turns out, not by Hitler during World War II, but in the Soviet
Starting point is 03:13:03 NKVD in 1937 by Issaid Divinovich Berg, the head of the administrative and maintenance section of the NKVD of Moscow Oblast. Sure, he was not alone in that enterprise, but he organized the whole business. This is why it is also important to know who occupied middle-level posts. It turns out that I.D. Berg was entrusted with carrying out the sentences of the Troika of the NKVD of Moscow Oblast. He dutifully performed his mission, which involved shuttling prisoners to the execution place.
Starting point is 03:13:36 But when three Troikas began to work simultaneously in the Moscow Oblast, the executioners became unable to cope with the sheer number of executions. Then they invented a time-saving method. The victims were stripped naked, tied, mouths plugged, and thrown into a closed truck, outwardly disguised as a bread truck. On the road, the exhaust fumes were redirected into the prisoner-carrying compartment, and by the time the van arrived in the burial ditch to prisoners were ready. Quote unquote, ready.
Starting point is 03:14:05 Well, Berg himself was shot in 1939, not for those evil deeds, of course, but for the anti-Soviet conspiracy. In 1956, he was rehabilitated without any problem, though the story of his murderous invention was kept preserved and protected in the records of his case and only recently discovered by journalists. Yeah, I think you know what Shulteney was getting at there. He just gave one small example, and no one bothered to notice that the Germans were using diesel,
Starting point is 03:14:38 which is not necessarily poisonous. The exhaust. The Russians were using, or Soviets were using gas, gas engines. That whole phenomenon after the war was a lot of projection. The Soviets projected a lot of their evil onto whatever enemy they, Germans or even the Italians and the Spanish. And I love this notion.
Starting point is 03:15:08 of there. I've read bread trucks, meat trucks. So when they're bringing foreign dignitaries around, these trucks, mobile murder vehicles, say, you know, meat deliveries. Oh, they're doing so well. You know, it's only, only these people can think of that. But none of them were executed because they were too evil. That was not the issue. They were executed because they were Jews either. You know, we've been over this before. And there was a lot of chaos for some of this prior to the war, but after the war, with American assistance. We'll be reading this soon. The Jews again rose to great prominence. It was a new generation now.
Starting point is 03:15:55 So, you know, it's not the same level of someone like Trotsky. these people were getting older and but yeah the bread truck thing and then then they're projecting that onto the Germans is you know
Starting point is 03:16:17 there is a place for psychology here the concept of defense mechanisms I mean I use a projection all the time in American foreign policy you know whatever they whatever the U.S. is going through they projected onto another country
Starting point is 03:16:31 that's not you know and that's the only way I think most of the American foreign policy bureaucrats could deal with it, those who aren't already sociopaths. A big problem psychologically is, you know, how many of these party members were not sociopaths and then had to somehow deal with this? That was a big issue.
Starting point is 03:16:55 We'll get to that a bit later. There are so many individuals with outstanding lives and careers in the list above. Belakun, the butcher of Crimea, himself fell at that time, and with him the lives of 12 commissars of the communist government of Budapest ended. However, it would be inappropriate to consider the expulsion of Jews from the punitive organs as a form of persecution. There was no anti-Jewish motif in those events. Notwithstanding that if Stalin's praetorians valued not only their present benefits in power, but also the opinion of the people whom they govern, governed, they should have left the NKVD and not have waited until they were kicked out.
Starting point is 03:17:37 This wouldn't have spared many of them death, but surely it would have spared them the stigma. The notion of purposeful anti-Jewish purge doesn't hold water. Quote, according to available data at the end of the 1930s, the Jews were one of the few national minorities belonging to which did not constitute a crime for an NKVD official. There were still no regulations on national and personal policy and the state security agencies that were enforced from the end of the 1940s to the early 1950s. Yeah, you know, they were the only group. You know, Stalin enforced the anti-Semitism laws as much as Lenin did. He gave interviews.
Starting point is 03:18:21 He spoke on this topic. He wrote on this topic. The anti-Semites and Russian nationalists were. were a great evil. That old myth about him being a nationalist or even orthodox, it's really hard to dislodge. The Union of the Russian people, headed by Nazadov, who I've worked with before, has done a great job in Russian trying to get rid of that. But, you know, even today, You go to, one of the parties that got kicked out of Ukraine is the one party state in Ukraine today. I can't believe I'm talking about this again.
Starting point is 03:19:07 There are four parties to make it look like the multi-parties, but they're all exactly the same. Their agenda is exactly the same, mostly in English on their website. I lost my train of thought. What was I talking about? You were talking about Ukraine and parties and... Oh, yeah. And some of the so-called socialist parties, the progressive socialist party of Ukraine, one of my favorite. I cited from them all the time. Her name was Natalia, something. And, you know, the communist tended to be... Fill up your year with great travel moments. And while you look after making memories, we'll take care of the travel insurance end of things.
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Starting point is 03:20:24 that's why the left-right distinctions in Soviet-Ukrainian or Soviet-Russian Ukrainian politics sometimes fail because they call themselves progressive socials. What the hell will that mean? And yet I'm reading their, for years ago, I'm reading their agenda. And my God, I agree with almost every word of it. and so and people, they still will use a picture of Lenin at the top of their website so they don't want to read it. No, no, there's something wrong. And it throws people off.
Starting point is 03:21:03 I've been dealing with that for a very long time too. And I don't know if you know this, but I was the first to translate the Declaration of Independence and the first constitution of the Eastern Republics of Ukraine into English. when it first happened in early, very early, 2014, and I was criticized for supporting them all over the place, all over the place. He's just communist.
Starting point is 03:21:34 I said, well, yeah, I know the symbolism is, which you have to understand. It makes a certain amount of sense, but just read the material. And for the most part, you know, 90% of it is something that we would say. and I always admired the so-called progressive socialist party of Ukraine. I cited for them. I used them. I did my research. He had so many historical works on there.
Starting point is 03:22:05 And the so-called right wing, as the media called it, were liberals, neoliberal, connected with the U.S. So that's part of the reason, one of the reasons that in the Communist Party of Ukraine was a little bit harsher, a little bit different in that respect. There were some, you know, Trotskyite and whatever. They were all kicked out for various reasons, leaving only the four with that one single ideology. But it's important to bring this out when we're talking about, you know, the ideology of this era and what happens later on. I'm not sure what he means here by belonging to which did not constitute a crime for an NKVD official. You know, I don't fully understand what he's talking about there. But regardless, yeah, the notion of a purposeful anti-Jewish purge doesn't hold water.
Starting point is 03:23:10 It didn't happen. It wasn't seen that way. they were philosemitic, philo-Jewish, all the way, and remember, just because they were purged, didn't mean they were killed. Some of them were shot, some of them were just forcible,
Starting point is 03:23:28 you know, forcible retirement. So that goes especially for the military. So, you know, it's a complex era, and there was a lot of, as I've said, there's a lot of complexity and chaos at the period, because everyone's getting, you know, kicked out. And that's never good for the health of the society.
Starting point is 03:23:47 But everything changed then, of course, in 1941. Many party activists fell into the destructive wave of 1937 and 1938. From 36 to 37, the composition of the Soviet of people's commissars began to change noticeably as the purges during the pre-war years ran through the prominent figures in the people's commissariats. The main personage behind collectivization, Yaakovlev, had met his bullet. The same happened to his comrade in arms, Kalmanovich and Rukimovich and many others.
Starting point is 03:24:21 The meat grinder devoured many old honored Bolsheviks, such as the long-retired Riazzanov and the organizer of the murder of the Tsar Golshaken, not to mention Kamenev and Zinoviev. Lazare Kaganovich was spared, although he himself was the iron broom in several purges during 1937 and 1938. For example, they called his swift purge of the city of Ivanov, the black tornado. I do want to note that Golishchenkin, yes, he was involved in the murder of the czar, but he was the first dictator of Kazakhstan that started the, could only be called genocidal policy against the natives there.
Starting point is 03:25:08 Of course, he knew zero about Kazakh life. That wasn't the point. it was to destroy how they were living, mostly, you know, pastoral, sheep herders and goat herders and everything else. And there were these nomadic peoples, they were completely destroyed. As I think I mentioned a few weeks ago, he was replaced by yet another Jew who was also purged eventually. And by the time they were done, Kazakhs were a minority in their own. country. They offer us the following interpretation. Quote, this is a question about the victims of the Soviet dictatorship. They were used by it and then mercilessly discarded when their services became
Starting point is 03:25:56 redundant. End quote. What a great argument. So for 20 years, these powerful Jews were really used. Yet weren't they themselves the zealous cogs in the mechanism of that very dictatorship right up to the very time when their services became redundant? Did not they make the great contributions to the destruction of religion and culture, the intelligentsia, and the multi-million peasantry? Yeah, this was, you know, we'd say, you know, what a great argument,
Starting point is 03:26:27 you know, used by, mercifully discarded. Well, discarded by whom? Who could that be? The assumption is that the party is inherently Russian or Ukrainian or something, and they're just a small piece of it. No, they were,
Starting point is 03:26:46 they were a huge part of the party. And those that purged them were often themselves Jews. We've talked about that in earlier discussions, too. A great many red commanders fell into the acts. Quote, by the summer of 1938, without exception, all commanders of military districts, who occupied these posts by June 1937, disappeared without a trace. The political administration of the Red Army suffered the highest losses from the terror, end quote, during the massacre of 1937 after the suicide of Gamernik.
Starting point is 03:27:22 Of the highest political officers of the Red Army, death claimed all 17 army commissars, 25 out of 28 corps commissars, and 34 out of 36 brigade divisional commissars. We see a significant percentage of Jews in the now published lists of military chiefs executed in 1937 to 1938. Gregory Stern had a very special military career. He advanced along the political officer's path. During the Civil War, he was military commissar at regimental, brigade, and divisional levels. In 1923 to 25, he was head of the special detachments of the Kourism, a short-lived republic after the Bolshevik Revolution, troops during the suppression of rebellions in Central Asia. Until 1926, he was the head of the political administrative, of a political administration division.
Starting point is 03:28:20 Later, he studied at the Military Academy for Senior Military Officers. In 1929 through 34, he was a military advisor to the Republican government in Spain, not to be confused with Manfred Stern, who also distinguished himself among the red spaniards under the alias of General Kleber. Later, he was the chief of staff of the Far Eastern Front and conducted bloody battles at Lake Casson in 1938, together with Meckles, at the same time conspiring against Marshall Blucher, whom he ruined and whose post of the front commander he took over after the arrest of the latter. In March 1939, at the 18th Party Congress, he made this speech, quote,
Starting point is 03:29:07 Together we have destroyed a bunch of good for nothings, the two Kachshivskis, Gamerinix, Uber, Ubershev while he himself later was shot, well he himself was shot later in autumn 1941. Stern's comrade in arms in arms in aviation, Yakov-Schmushkov-Schmushkiewicz also had a head-spin career. He too began as a political officer until the mid-1930s. Then he studied the academy for top officers. In 1936 or 37, he had also fought in Spain in aviation and was known as General
Starting point is 03:29:45 Douglas. In 1939, he was commander of the aviation group at Calcun-Gol. After that, he rose to the commander of all Air Forces of the Red Army, the General Inspector of the Air Force. He was arrested in May, 1941, and executed in the same year. There's a lot here. First of all, for those who maybe haven't been following closely, a revolutionary brigade is not the same as a regular Army. This was a and Yol Kim Hoffman agrees with me on this in his Stalin's War of Execution, which is I strongly recommend.
Starting point is 03:30:30 You know, they didn't know much about military strategy and formal ideas. They knew guerrilla warfare. They knew cell structure or that kind of. That's why they were Jews with these ranks. They weren't really colonels and generals. It's like Trotsky was ahead of the Red Army. But from
Starting point is 03:30:48 somewhat. He had no military experience. He was a revolutionary, though. But he also knew that he, Salon knew that he had to create a regular army. And that's why some of these people had to go. Number two, I do want to point out, how can go? We covered this one else at the volunteer few years ago. It showed, it proved the superiority of Soviet weapons for, far, far superior than the Germans or anything the Americans had. Their new tanks were used there. The Blitzkrieg was created there, not by the Germans. It was a Soviet idea.
Starting point is 03:31:33 That, you know, I remember by, by 1941, Stalin had more amphibious tanks than Germany had total. German tanks were radically inferior to the to the Soviets and was on display at that battle. Yeah, people may point out the Finnish war, but that Manorheim line was considered impregnable, and they did it. That was not seen by people who knew as a defeat.
Starting point is 03:32:06 It was something that people thought no one could do, but they were willing to do it. So, Calcun Gold proves that invading USSR, there was no sense of victory. Germany didn't have the equipment. Their tanks were inferior to say the least. Yeah, the men were solid. They're high-level commanders, of course, World War I vets, many of them. They were solid.
Starting point is 03:32:39 But they had no chance. against what was on display in Mongolia. And the Japanese, who were also fairly advanced, lost very badly. And so those are two important things to come out of this. And so I know there's certain, I say the same things over and over again. I don't know who's following each and every episode and who's just picking one at a time. But these are very important insights to understand this stuff. But, you know, Stalin wanted a situation where a guy would work
Starting point is 03:33:12 his way through the ranks like a normal soldier, not just become a gorilla with a rifle, who then later called the colonel. You know, he can't have that anymore. And that was the point of the Persians. I'm going to read a couple sentences here, and then I'm going to skip over a very long list of names that, and most of, a lot of these names, we've already heard. We've been talking about. So it's painful. the wave of terror spared neither administrators nor diplomats. Almost all the diplomats mentioned above were executed. Let's name those party, military, diplomatic, and managerial figures who we mentioned before
Starting point is 03:33:55 on these pages who now were persecuted. It's like 100 names here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That list follows up with, this is indeed a commemoration roster of many top-place Jews. Below are the fate of some prominent Russian Jewish socialists who did not join the Bolsheviks or who even struggled against them. Boris Bogdanovich was in Odessa, the grandson and son of labor suppliers.
Starting point is 03:34:26 He graduated from the best commerce school in Odessa. While studying, he joined Social Democrat Societies. In June 1905, he was the first civilian who got on board the mutinish battleship Potemkin when she entered the port of Odessa. a speech for her crew, urging sailors to join Odessa's labor strike. He delivered letters with appeals to consulates of the European powers in Russia. He avoided punishment by departing for St. Petersburg, where he worked in the Social Democratic Underground. He was a Menshevik. He was sentenced to two two-year-long exiles one after another, to that's a long name, I don't know how to pronounce, and to Volugda.
Starting point is 03:35:05 In Siberian. Before the war, he entered the elite of the Menshevik movement. He worked legally on labor questions. In 1915, he became the Secretary of the Labor Group at the Military Industrial Committee, was arrested in January 1917 and freed by the February Revolution. He was a member of the Executive Committee of the Soviet of Workers and Soldiers, deputies of Petrograd, and regularly chaired its noisy sessions, which attracted thousands of people. From June, 1917, he was a member of the B.
Starting point is 03:35:36 Bureau of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee and persistently opposed ongoing attempts to the Bolsheviks to seize power. After the failed Bolshevik revolution in July 1917, he accepted the surrender of the squad of sailors besieged at the Petro-Pafelost Fortress. After the October coup in 1918, he was one of the organizers of the anti-Bulshevik workers' movement in Petrograd. During the Civil War, he lived in Odessa. After the Civil War, he tried to restart the Menshevik political activity, but at the the end of 1920, he was arrested for one year. That was the beginning of the many years of unceasing arrests and sentences, exiles and camps, and numerous transfers between different camps,
Starting point is 03:36:16 the so-called Great Road of so many socialists in the USSR. And all that was just for being a Menshevik in the past and for having Menshevik convictions, even though by that time he was no longer engaged in politics and during brief respites, simply worked on economic posts and just wanted a quiet life. However, he was suspected of economic sabotage. In 1922, he requested permission to emigrate, but shortly before departure was arrested again. First, he was sent to Salofi prison camp and later exiled to the Peshora camp in the Urales. His sentences were repeatedly extended by three years.
Starting point is 03:36:54 He experienced solitary confinement in the Sustal camp and was repeatedly exiled. In 1931, they attempted to incriminate him in the case of the... the All-Soviet Bureau of Mensheviks, but he was lucky and they left him alone. Yet he was hauled in again in 1937, imprisoned in the Umsk jail together with already imprisoned communists, where he survived non-stop interrogations, which sometimes continued without a pause for weeks at any time of the day or night. There were three shifts of investigators. He served out seven years in the Kargapol camp. Several other Mensheviks were shot there. Later, he was exiled to site. I can't pronounce that.
Starting point is 03:37:35 In 1948, he was again sentenced and exiled to Kazakhstan. In 1950s, he was rehabilitated. He died in 1960, a worn out old man. Yeah, these, you know, he was so much of the opposition, both to Lenin and Stalin. It was more extreme against Stalin because of who he was in the system that he created. It came from the left. it came from other communists and anarchists. It wasn't like there were monarchists out there doing this.
Starting point is 03:38:09 I've been asked before why, in heaven's name, didn't Zor Nicholas I second shoot Lenin and Trotsky. And I don't have a clear answer for it. Yes, he was considered under protection from the Germans during the war. he came in quite late. Trotsky was there. Being sent to Siberia was not really a punishment. Remember, they didn't have much of a prison system. Being exiled to Siberia meant you went to live with somebody
Starting point is 03:38:46 who was compensated for it. And you could just leave at any time. There were no barbed wire or anything else. And the assumption is, that you wouldn't make that long trek. Well, he did, and many others did too. Sometimes you're like boomer conservatives love these people because they were anti-Stalinists,
Starting point is 03:39:11 despite the fact that if they had power, they would have done the exact same thing just to a different group of people. They would have purged a different group of people. The great road of socialists in the USSR. This man was just simply not considered trustworthy. and also, by the way, on the the mutiny of the
Starting point is 03:39:32 Potemkin, I have a lecture and also a paper published on that that the story there is completely, is mostly nonsense and like everything that your typical boomer believes, and that that's worth, I think the Barnesview published it I can never remember.
Starting point is 03:39:56 But I love this idea of, you know, he avoided punishment by going to St. Petersburg, you know, two-year-long exiles. These really weren't much punishment. There was just simply a matter of time before he made his way back. Same thing for the rest of them. You know, and if it wasn't for the revolution, he would have been, you know, Zorn Nicholas was extremely lenient to these people. And I hate to say it. It was an error on his part. and these you know Exhola Siberia sounds awful right
Starting point is 03:40:31 it sounds terrible but but it really wasn't not for your typical a Russian you know a Jew war were Russian they didn't perish there
Starting point is 03:40:42 they didn't die there they were able to write you know Lenin wrote many works there it wasn't going to prison to great extent because the czarists didn't really have a full prison system yet
Starting point is 03:40:56 they were forced to create one very late, but of course the Soviets, with American assistance, created a real regular prison system, not just the gulags, but a separate prison system as well. So the opposition to Stalin came from other communists, at least at this point, or at least people who used communist rhetoric,
Starting point is 03:41:23 because that was the only way that you could ever get to anybody. So, and, and, you know, why, why Nicholas didn't just shoot some of these people? I, I, I don't have an answer. And it's a shame. We're sort of at a point here where he's just, he's going to cover these people. And he covers like five or six of them. And then who were active anti-communists, but were communist or anti-Bolsheviks, but were communists, and then he comes up to a list of people who,
Starting point is 03:42:01 Jewish people who seem to be completely like innocent. They were, um, they were, they were just persecuted by, uh, by the Bolsheviks. Uh,
Starting point is 03:42:14 so what do you want to, do we want to read through all of this? It'll take their, it'll take another 20 minutes to read through all of this. Or do you want to save it for next time? Or do we want to give the, do we want to give the listeners or reading assignment of their, owned.
Starting point is 03:42:29 No. I don't mind reading this stuff. I trust Solton Eaton's biographies. He had very good sources. And I think we should save the rest for the next time.
Starting point is 03:42:48 We load these people up. You know, I'm exhausted by the time we're done with this. but there's a lot of information here. But I think it's important, you know. But again, in conclusion, no one was persecuted because they were a Jew. Yeah, that's the most important thing to, you know, once you realize that, you realize that the, you know, there was a big difference. And the reason why is because there were, well, I mean,
Starting point is 03:43:28 How much of it do you think has to do with, like, Dr. J. Otto Poll? He says that a lot of the reason why, or the main reason that Poles and Germans were, at this time, being taken out into the forest and shot en masse, up to 60,000 to 70,000, was because they were a diaspora people. and that the reason why there were a couple reasons why Jews weren't persecuted for being Jews is one, there were a lot of Jews in charge and two, at this point,
Starting point is 03:44:04 they weren't a diaspora people who had another country that they could collaborate with. He said that he believes a lot of the Poles and a lot of the Germans were persecuted and executed because there was another country that they could possibly collaborate with. It was very dangerous to them. You're exactly right.
Starting point is 03:44:23 right. This was essentially the Jewish homeland for a while. So they were not a diaspora people. I mean, of course, there were Jews elsewhere, but the bulk of, certainly the overwhelming majority of the Kanaji were in USSR, a huge amount with 80% of the Jewish population was there. So they were not a diaspora of people. But at the time, you had polls and Germans who had strongly anti-competual. government. Lithuanians. I think
Starting point is 03:44:57 Lithuanians were another group that were persecuted as well. Yeah. Tarters certainly were as well for a different set of reasons. Charters were just simply relocated, which is really hard to do properly.
Starting point is 03:45:17 They were on a diaspora people, but they were Turkic. And there was an, you know, an Ottoman Empire that was unfriendly. Not so much the, I'm sorry, at some point but even the
Starting point is 03:45:34 earlier on, at this point we're talking about the Young Turk movement which was somewhat more sympathetic and cooperated with the USSR quite a bit, but also had many major ideological disagreements. eventually just siding with the West not that long afterwards.
Starting point is 03:45:57 But Ottomanism still was in the back of the minds of those making policy here that maybe they can't be trusted. So maybe they were somewhat of a diaspora people, but they were dangerous. They were perceived as dangerous. And because Marxism was materialist, literally, everything is made of material, just matter in the void,
Starting point is 03:46:19 killing a whole bunch of them. really doesn't mean that much. I don't know how you'd be upset about murder. You can't really be a consistent materialist, but if you are, what's a big deal about murder? It's just more, you know, just atoms falling down. What's the big deal? What's the big problem with it?
Starting point is 03:46:40 And I think that was part of the mentality, too. Anything that they needed to do to maintain themselves. And this was an error to what we're talking about. where, you know, again, Stalin felt himself far more secure in his position than Lenin ever did. But I don't want to, I don't want to downplay the fact that there were plenty of rebellions everywhere, especially against collectivization. It was nonstop. And as far as the persecution of the church, you know, it just, there was no one left to kill after a while. everyone else either was you know they were dead they were underground or they were in in exile so as far as
Starting point is 03:47:27 these ethnic groups yes we're very dangerous absolutely right uh to make that uh assumption and of course as we all know they tried to blame the germans for some of this and only recently were found out to be lying all right we will pick up uh the next time and uh i'll just remind everybody to go to the show notes page and to go to the description in the video i have included a link to dr Johnson's latest book on Ukraine. That's another way that you can support him. Go pick up that book. But there are multiple ways to support him there.
Starting point is 03:48:02 And, yeah, we will see. We'll be back in a couple of days. As always. Thank you, Dr. Johnson. Oh, no, I appreciate your help. Thank you. I want to welcome everyone back to our reading of 200 years together by Alexander Solzhenycin. Dr. Johnson, how are you doing today?
Starting point is 03:48:23 I don't know. This is our cats. You know, they're getting older just like we are. Marcel is right here. You're probably going to get to see him very soon. With this, you know, growth in his mouth, they can't do anything about. Your cat with the UTI. We have a deaf cat.
Starting point is 03:48:43 We have a diabetic dog. I mean, you know, we're getting into heaven, I think. Well, I mean, animals are great. Yeah, they just, yeah. Remember with the family. Yeah, I always love being around animals. They tend to be more intelligent than most people. They tend to be more useful than most people.
Starting point is 03:49:08 Yeah, trustworthy too. Yeah, absolutely. All right. So last time I had mentioned that there is a whole list of names and descriptions of Jews who were persecuted by the Bolsheviks. Most of them, Mensheviks, some of them, some of this list is. just, you know, regular people that, I guess, Solsternyson felt like he needed to include in this. And like I said, I think we're just going to yada yada over this. And if people want to, they can do their own reading, starting in 489, where we left off Boris DeVitovich Kamkoff cuts.
Starting point is 03:49:50 And we're just going to jump forward to the beginning of 492. and right after the break. Yeah, they are interesting people. You know, the ones that he's talking about, they're educated. There certainly were communists of one type or another. So, yeah, it's definitely, it's worth you guys reading it, but for us it would be tedious, I think. Agreed.
Starting point is 03:50:19 All right. Picking up at 492. Despite the overwhelming percentage of high-placed aristocratic Jews, who fell under Stalin's acts, the free Western press did not perceive the events as specifically the persecution of Jews. The Jews were massacred simply because of their abundance and top tiers of the Soviet hierarchy.
Starting point is 03:50:42 Indeed, we read such a stipulation in the collection of works Evreski Mir, the Jewish World, 1939. Quoting, no doubt that the Jews in the USSR have numerous opportunities which they did not have before the revolution and which they do not even now in some democratic countries. They can become generals, ministers, diplomats, professors, the most high-ranking and most servile aristocrats. Opportunities, but in no way rights, because of the absence of such rights. Yakir, Garmanic, Yagoda, Zinoviev, Radik, Trotsky, and the rest fell from their heights and lost their very lives.
Starting point is 03:51:26 Still, no nationality enjoyed such a right under the communist dictatorship. It was all about the ability to cling to power. Yeah, the Western academic world didn't start worrying about this until after the war and the Holocaust issue developed. You know, Stalin, you know, as I said before, you know, American academics had a choice. you either claim that Stalin is an anti-Semite who for no reason or for jealousy or because he's just a thug. You know, Stalinist and even now is more or less an insult. It's not like Nazi. Nazi's so stupid anyway, but the Stalinist is kind of a, you know, like being a dinosaur on the left. Or that the early Bolsheviks were overwhelmingly Jewish.
Starting point is 03:52:22 you can't have you know so so they obviously went with the with the former and there's books and books out there but it wasn't until the 1950s maybe that this this question really asserted itself and and uh that's you know Stalin became just the other um you know the the Soviet Hitler so to speak and especially in the 50s and 60s with Khrushchev and the Communist Party didn't know what the hell was going on and it was just something that Mao despised but in this Stalinist movement still had Jews at its core no matter what it did
Starting point is 03:53:11 this had nothing to do with Jewishness or anything else this was simply a matter of power and the ability to create a faction that was the issue. The longtime devoted socialist, emigrant S. Ivanovich, S.O. Portuguese, admitted, quote, under the Tsars, the Jews were indeed restricted in their right of living, yet their right to live was incomparably greater than than under Bolshevism. Indeed, however, at the same time, despite being perfectly aware of collectivization,
Starting point is 03:53:47 he writes that the awkward attempts to establish socialism in Russia took the heaviest toll from the Jews, that the scorpions of Bolshevism did not attack any other people with such brutal forces to attack Jews. Can you imagine what planet he had to live on to come to that conclusion?
Starting point is 03:54:08 You know, the whole villages of Russians and Ukrainians were being depopulated. The church was, you know, clergy were sent to the camps in huge numbers. anybody, you know, and anybody, but all they could talk about it, but, you know, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, I don't know, Ivanovich, you know, essentially he's Johnson in, in, in, in Slavic, um, Portuguese must have been his, um, I don't know if that's, it doesn't sound Jewish to me, but, but, but it's really, um, insane for them to, to say that. Um, you know, the Jews just had a far better, um, um, you know, the Jews just had a far better, method of communication to the outside world. They had a huge intertwining,
Starting point is 03:55:00 interconnected unit of media and power in every way, especially in Britain and America, to a lesser extent, France. And they were able to promote their suffering as much as anybody else, but
Starting point is 03:55:20 even more than anybody else. but then again Stalin defeated out of Hitler invasion and hence he had a certain high level of prestige for a while
Starting point is 03:55:36 for that reason you know whenever during the Weimar Republic for example a lot of the you know the sex researchers the homosexual movement which was out you know debasing the society
Starting point is 03:55:54 when they were when the state came after them where did they go they ran to the USSR as if to prove Hitler's point you know so not that you know that kind of thing
Starting point is 03:56:11 was tolerated there nevertheless that's a place they felt safe and then but because of his defeat of Hitler you know nothing solidifies a ruler's place in power
Starting point is 03:56:25 no matter what else is going on than a defeat in war and this was one hell of a war and but to say that took the heaviest toll from the Jews is outlandish it was Jews
Starting point is 03:56:40 persecuting other Jews for various reasons and as we said many times Stalin was surrounded by them continued to be surrounded by them it was just one faction against another
Starting point is 03:56:54 It's that simple. Portuguese sounds Sephardic to me. I was going to say that. Sounds like some of the names that Sombart brings up in Jews and modern capital. Oh, that's his real name and his pen name was Ivanovitch. Well, that makes sense. Okay. Yeah, well, that makes sense more so of the whole thing.
Starting point is 03:57:18 All right, moving on. Yet during the great plague of decoulaucization, it was not thousands but millions of peasants who lost both the right of living and the right to live. And yet all the Soviet pens with so many Jews among them kept complete silence about this cold-blooded destruction of the Russian peasantry. In unison with them, the entire West was silent. Could it be really out of the lack of knowledge? Or was it for the sake of protecting the Soviet regime?
Starting point is 03:57:47 Or was it simply because of indifference? Why, this is almost inconceivable. 15 million peasants were not simply deprived of entering the ancient. institutes of higher learning, or of the right to study in graduate school, or to occupy nice posts, no. They were dispossessed and driven like cattle out of their homes and sent a certain death in the Taiga and tundra. And the Jews, among other passionate urban activists, enthusiastically took the reins of
Starting point is 03:58:15 the collectivization into their hands, leaving behind them persistent evil memory. And who had raised their voices in defense of the peasants then? And now in 1932 to 1933, in Russia and Ukraine, on the very outskirts of Europe, five to six million people died from hunger. And the free press of the free world maintained utter silence. And even if we take into account the extreme leftist bias of the contemporary Western press and its devotion to the socialist experiment in the USSR, it is still impossible not to be amazed at the degree to which they could be, they could go to be blind and insensitive to the sufferings of even tens of millions of fellow humans.
Starting point is 03:59:00 Yeah, I don't know, I don't know where to start with something like this. And, you know, it just makes them mock. of what Portuguese says just above. Yeah, they were slaughtered in silence. They had no one to defend them. It was, you know, again, they had been the enemies of the Soviet power from the very beginning, as you know. The Cossacks had long since been destroyed. Some still remain today, but, you know, many of them had to go underground or go into exile.
Starting point is 03:59:39 but yes, the free press of the free world maintained utter silence. That's not something that gets discussed in history courses of the era today in American universities. I know this from experience. Bringing it up.
Starting point is 03:59:58 Just bringing it up gives cause to call someone anti-Semite as I was called at the time, simply bringing it up. Because I knew exactly who I was talking about without saying so, without even meaning to say so. Now, my opinion is it was for the sake of protecting the Soviet regime and for a few reasons. Number one, you still had the intellectual bias that it was a wave of the future. Number two, the Jews controlled the press on both sides.
Starting point is 04:00:31 And number three, the U.S. and the British were heavily invested there. this is why in the Vietnam War you had you know there was no probably the U.S. was trading with the USSR in goods that could be used by the military it's brought to the Soviet Union and then
Starting point is 04:00:51 brought right to Vietnam the regime that is to say those you know the bankers those with what we call soft power but includes military too um were not anti-communists. They never were.
Starting point is 04:01:12 They didn't like Russians. They had the typical Crimean War era bias towards them. And then de-Kulakization. There's always going to be an excuse for doing this. Millions. We're talking about millions here.
Starting point is 04:01:29 It's very difficult for us to conceive of. I don't know if we've mentioned this yet. I don't think we have. The word Kulak means fist. but if you go deeper into the history of the word in the Russian language, it also means ignoramus. And I've written, I forget exactly where. Yeah, it's in my book on the early Soviet Union.
Starting point is 04:01:59 The concept of the Kulak was essentially going. It's not the normal use of the word, but it is the historical use of the word going back a bit. And I didn't know that until I started writing. this book and I had no idea that there are many meanings to that word. So this was a Jewish thing. Jews were the main drivers of this. You know, I like other passionate urban activists. You know, communism has always been an urban phenomenon. You know, because it allegedly bases itself in industry. Industry is urban, you know, almost by definition.
Starting point is 04:02:44 And it's also where, of course, the Jews apply their trades and their scams. So the countryside has always been a bit of a problem for communists worldwide, which is why Maoism and in Pol Pot took this to a very different level. But, yeah, the answer to the question, who raise their voices in defense of the peasants, nobody, for all of those reasons. And it's not something, you know, today because of the idea that, well, Stalin's an anti-Semite, so we could, we could hate him. That's okay to hate him now. Lennel was fine, of course.
Starting point is 04:03:32 You know, London was starting to do the exact same thing under war communism and, you know, just before his death, after the, after the NEP, you know. So, again, I want to stress that these dictators were almost identical. But Stalin was in a much better position. Collectivization was, this was collectivization. And no one wanted it. The Jews who created it, who knew nothing about agriculture, as we well know, you know, they couldn't, I can't imagine they didn't know that this would lead to mass starvation. They would never be affected by it.
Starting point is 04:04:18 Because I had to literally herd peasants to where they were going. and peasants tend to be a rowdy bunch. They've been rebelling pretty consistently throughout, not just Russian history, either. No one raised their voices in the fence of the peasantry. You know, these were strictly Orthodox people, and the Western world Jews and some ignorant Gentiles were had investments there. consistently. And especially at this era, because the economy was being controlled from one place,
Starting point is 04:05:01 is very easy to decide where to go. And that's what's going on here. And to this day, the peasants have not been really, except by people like us, and certainly wasn't the lack of knowledge. It sort of may have been indifference to some extent. No, it was for the sake of protecting the USSR. During the 1920s, the Ukrainian Jews departed from their pro-Russian statehood mood of 1917 to 1920, and by the end of the 1920s, quote,
Starting point is 04:05:36 the Jews are among Ukrainian chauvinists and separatists, wielding enormous influence there, but only in the cities, end quote. We can find such a conclusion. The destruction of Ukrainian language culture in 1937 was in part aimed against Jews, who formed a genuine union with Ukrainians, for the development of local culture in Ukrainian language." Nevertheless, such a union in cultural circles could not soften the attitudes of the wider Ukrainian population towards Jews.
Starting point is 04:06:09 We have already seen in the previous chapter how in the course of collectivization, a considerable number of Jewish communists function in rural locales as commanders and lords over life and death. This placed a new scar on Ukrainian-Jewish relations already tense for centuries. and although the famine was a direct result of Stalin's policy and not only in Ukraine, it brutally swept across the vulgar region and the Urals. The suspicion widely arose among Ukrainians that the entire Ukrainian famine was the work of the Jews. Such an interpretation has long existed and the Ukrainian emigre press adhered to it until the 1980s.
Starting point is 04:06:47 Some Ukrainians are convinced that 1933 was revenge of the Jews for the times of Kemmolnitsky. Mm-hmm. Don't expect to reap wheat where the weed was sown. The supreme authority of so many Jews, along with only a small number of Jews, being touched by the grievances which afflicted the rest of the population could lead to all sorts of interpretations. All right. You know, I also have a book called Ukrainian nationalism, and I deal with these issues, and this is, again, this is a very heavy paragraph. I don't know what he means, first of all, by the pro-Russian statehood mood. I don't know what they mean.
Starting point is 04:07:29 But essentially, Ukrainian chauvinist, no, what we're talking about. And that's a quote that's not Sheldon. Stalin's policy, sorry, Lennon's policy was to promote the Ukrainian language and some of its literature as a way to get the Ukrainians on their side. They did this throughout all of the republics, except Russia. And, but that really didn't work. I mean, there are very few Ukrainians lived in cities. So once, you know, once Ukraine was then, not not the Ukraine we know today, but a piece of Ukraine became a part of the Soviet Union and was speaking Ukrainian. Okay, that was no longer, you know, they didn't have to do that anymore.
Starting point is 04:08:19 So then Stalin smashed it. and everything that London had promoted, Stalin banned. It wasn't a matter of contradiction. It was just one policy. That was just, and you know, they do that all the time. They're doing it now. You know, they promote Ukrainian nationalism because they're fighting the Russians. Like they did, you know, Albanian stuff in the 90s and, you know, all of that.
Starting point is 04:08:49 And even Turkish. the Western world back Turkey to fight the Slavs 100 years ago and for the same reason the British controlled the Turkish economy before World War I So this is this is only one policy You try to get them on your side to some extent And then once that's the case
Starting point is 04:09:13 Then you reverse yourself And there has to be you know Given the command economy there has to be you know one language, one center. And that was going to be and that was going to be Moscow. So they certainly were not chauvinous. I think they were well aware of what they were doing.
Starting point is 04:09:34 I don't believe they ever, ever was a genuine union with Ukrainians. No way. And with the same reason we've already mentioned. Some Ukrainians are convinced that 1933 was the revenge of the Jews for the times of Kimmoniecki. Well, I've been saying that for years, which is why in the current war, which, by the way, I have a book on, which just came on, they win no matter what. You know, because Ukraine is being depopulated, Russia is being damaged to some extent. They win either way.
Starting point is 04:10:11 you know there's no way that Jews could ever make a common cause with a group of people who were formed by the Kosak hosts they'll pretend to be if you remember in the beginning of this war they pretended to be and um and anywhere more than anywhere else in the US Assad the Jews dominated Ukraine in this era and so it wasn't And we go, the anti-Jewish ideas go way back amongst the Ukrainian peasantry and for very good reason. And we've discussed those reasons. I don't know. When was that when we first started eight years ago? Seems like, yeah. Polish Empire. We've dealt with it on our own, on a separate topic on your show.
Starting point is 04:11:11 But to consider there to be a genuine union, it's utter nonsense. Ukraine was created by the Klosan Kose, was created by the orthodox rejection of the UNIA, which was promoted by Poland. And it was only promoted in the 20s as a strategic measure, period. Then once it wasn't necessary, it was smashed. And again, the same thing is going on today. I mean, to see that disgusting Jew Zelensky hold the Cossack Mace in his hand, pretending that he's Ukrainian or even cares about Ukraine.
Starting point is 04:11:54 It's one of the most, for a historian, it's one of the most vile sites I could imagine in this war, pretending to be one with the nation, when in fact despises the nation, when he in fact is is being used to depopulate the nation. You know, as far as the Jews are concerned, they win either way. The Russia wins or Russia loses or if Ukraine wins or if Ukraine loses. And it was no accident that, of course, during the invasion, 1941, the peasantry, especially in Ukraine, was very, very pro. pro-German and had been, and the church had been very pro-German. I'll have a paper on that floating
Starting point is 04:12:43 around somewhere. We're very pro-German. Jewish authors who nervously kept an eye on anti-Semitism in the USSR did not notice this trampled ash, however, and made rather optimistic conclusions. For instance, Solomon Schwartz writes, from the start of the 1930s, anti-Semitism in the Soviet Union quickly abated. And in the mid-1930s, it lost the character of a mass phenomenon. And in the anti-semitism reached an all-time low point. He explains this in part as the results of the end of the NEP and thereby the disappearance of Jewish businessmen and petty Jewish merchants. Later, forced industrialization and lightning fast collectivization, which he favorably compares
Starting point is 04:13:31 with a kind of shock therapy, a treatment of mental disorders with electric shocks, was of much help. In addition, he considers that in those years, the ruling communist circles began to struggle with great Russian chauvinism. While they did not begin, they just continued the policy of Lenin's intolerance. Schwartz soundly notes that the authorities were persistently silent about anti-Semitism
Starting point is 04:13:54 in order to avoid the impression that the struggle against great Russian chauvinism is a struggle for the Jews. That's a very odd statement. It doesn't really work. We've come across Solomon Schwartz before. this is the guy who left the USSR because it wasn't it wasn't destroying anti-Semitism quickly enough
Starting point is 04:14:20 that it didn't have the Jews specifically in its constitution as protected which is really what he wanted even though of all of these the legislation you know people went to jail sometimes during warfare they were killed for uttering a word about the bad word about the Jews. I like the use of shock therapy. What did they call in the 1990s the austerity measures imposed
Starting point is 04:14:54 when they were privatizing the old Soviet industries? The phrase was shock therapy. So you had Jews at the beginning of the revolution, you had Jews in the Stalin era they kind of went away under probably certainly under Brezhnev in the 80s
Starting point is 04:15:17 and they came back for shock therapy where they were able to manipulate the privatization for their own benefit and that's what created the almost exclusively Jewish oligarchs that rule Ukraine today
Starting point is 04:15:33 and thank God for Putin and Lukashenko who put a stop to it. But remember, it does get somewhat complicated. But the authority is persistently silent. You know, to him, you know, unless you're slaughtering people who may be anti-Semitic, you're silent. He is one of the most obnoxious, ridiculous authors I've ever come across. and we've dealt with him before.
Starting point is 04:16:10 And so what he says, you kind of have to take with a grain of assault, but he was there, and he represents at least a probably substantial faction of Jewish opinion. In January 1931, first of New York Times and later the entire world press published a sudden and ostentatious announcement by Stalin to the Jewish Telegraph Association. quote, the communists, a consistent internationalist, cannot help but be an irreconcilable and sworn enemy of anti-Semitism. In the USSR, anti-Semitism is strictly prosecuted by law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet order. Active anti-Semites are punished, according to the laws of the USSR, with the death penalty. See, he addressed the Democratic West and did not mind.
Starting point is 04:17:06 specifying the punishment, and it was only one nationality in the USSR that was set apart by being granted such a protection, and world opinion was completely satisfied with that. Oh, my God. Yeah, world opinion. That was fine. And so long as those laws were on the books, the USSR was fine as far as the Western world was concerned. This quote from Stalin, which he did believe, which he repeated in another context. many times, proves that he was no anti-Semite, as the regime would love you to believe.
Starting point is 04:17:47 This is one of many quotes promoting this. He truly believed that he was in the line of Lenin on all issues, including the prosecution of anti-Semites. What constitutes an anti-Semite was always very arbitrary. I think we've dealt with this before. It's not merely, you know, the physical violence, but also words. Referring to them as jids rather than a Jewish man. Even the word Jew, even the word Jew, even in our era, is seen as almost too blunt.
Starting point is 04:18:28 So, especially when Germany began to be very, very successful under Hitler in the late 1930s, they had to be very, very vigilant about this amongst their own party members in many ways. But in USSR, he says, in the USSR, anti-Semitism is strictly prosecuted by law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet order.
Starting point is 04:18:59 Now, Lenin said that. We've mentioned it a hundred times of words the Soviet order is inherently Jewish and again there is no other group that has that kind of and this is being said at a time where where again where Russian peasants are being slaughtered churches are burnt to the ground
Starting point is 04:19:21 the gulags are being filled people are suffering in ways that we can't imagine and this was a big issue in the West how many anti-Semites have you have you shot and the West, which is usually, the regime is usually anti-death penalty, except when it comes to anti-Semitism. The only time the death penalty is used in Israel legally in civil cases is when,
Starting point is 04:19:48 or criminal cases, is when if you had anything to do with national socialism, you know, camp guards and stuff like that. So this is all you need to know. this has been this is not you know it's yeah it was sudden ostentatious but you know he just continued Lenin's policy nothing changed in that regard the laws are on the books he he was never
Starting point is 04:20:14 anti-Semitic but there was a change which I guess we'll talk to about at some point in the 1970s where the Soviet anti-Zionism became that because the Jews had largely disengaged from the Soviet Union but up until that point
Starting point is 04:20:32 Jews were held in honor and even referring to them verbally in a certain way can get you a one-way trip to the gulag but characteristically the announcement by the leader was not printed in the Soviet press because of his cunning
Starting point is 04:20:52 reservations it was produced for export and he hid this position from his own citizens in USSR it was only printed at the end of 1936 then Stalin sent Molotov to make a similar announcement at the Congress of Soviets. I can only imagine that that has to have something to do with the fact that, you know, we talked about this weeks ago.
Starting point is 04:21:19 People notice the power that the Jews have in the USSR. Even if they're communists themselves and they like the party and want to be a part of it and they support what's going on, they notice there's this click of people. And they're in specific areas and specific areas of power that none of us have any access to. They tend to be doing very well financially, which is, you know, not even, shouldn't even be relevant to a Marxist state. And I think that's why he kind of held back. But by 36, the National Socialist phenomenon, I think, kind of forced his hand. And then he, but, you know, there was no point.
Starting point is 04:22:03 that he didn't he didn't believe that and he didn't promote that and he said it all the time but it was only hidden for you know a short time and but that's I think is why I think we've been talking about
Starting point is 04:22:17 you know Gentile communists being worried but there's a there's a new bourgeois class developing and they're Jews and they're not allowed to talk about that so I think that's part
Starting point is 04:22:31 of the reason why it was why it was hidden. And those guys, you know, if they spoke their minds in a public setting, ended up being arrested. A contemporary Jewish author erroneously interpreting Molotov's speech, or purposefully, that I added that part, suggests that speaking on behalf of the government, he threatened to punish anti-Semitic feelings with death. Feelings. No, Molotov's did not mention anything like that. He did not depart from Stalin's policy of persecuting active anti-Semites. We are not aware of any instance of death penalty in the 1930s for anti-Semitism, but people were sentenced for it according to the penal code. People whispered that before the
Starting point is 04:23:24 revolution, the authorities did not push as harshly even for libeles against the Tsar. But now S. Schwartz observes a change. In the second half of the 1930s, these sent to people's hostility toward Jews, become much more prevalent, particularly in the major centers where the Jewish intelligentsia and semi-intelligentsia were concentrated. Here again, the legend about Jewish domination gradually began to come back to life, and they began to spread exaggerated notions about the role of Jews in the middle and top ranks of government. Well, whether or not it was really a legend, he immediately attempted to explain it, though in a quite naive manner, suggesting the same old excuse that the Jewish intelligentsia and semi-intelligentsia
Starting point is 04:24:12 simply had almost no other source of livelihood under Soviet conditions except the government service. They were forced into Bolshevism. Yes, this is the second time we've come across something like that. And so they use that excuse so often that it becomes just a trope. and they use it in the Soviet era where obviously that wasn't true. They could do whatever they wanted in the Soviet Union. But they still have, it's so common for them to say that. We were forced into this stuff.
Starting point is 04:24:51 We have no agency. It's at least, you know, it's somewhat better than the jealousy argument, which Schwartz also makes. Remember, that stuff was, the legend, etc. That was from Swartz, not from Zoldunitsyn. These were not exaggerated notions. People realized it. Why would you spread exaggerated? Why did you exaggerate this thing?
Starting point is 04:25:18 You experience it yourself, especially if you got in any kind of trouble. But the fact that they're using this same trope that they used in, you know, non-Marxist societies. Well, that's why the Jews became traitors and usurers because they had no other choice, which is usually nonsense. They're so used to using that that they said it here. And he knows that that's not the case. He knows that the Soviet Union had Jews everywhere. So it was almost just like a conditioned response in his case. This is so shameful to read, what oppression and despair.
Starting point is 04:26:03 See, they had almost no. other sources of livelihood, only privileged ones. And the rest of the population was absolutely free to toil in Kolkos fields to dig pits and to roll barrows at the great construction projects of the five-year plans. In official policy, nothing had changed in the 1930s in the Jewish question from the time of the revolution. No official hostility towards Jews existed. Indeed, they used to dream and proclaim about the impending end of all national conflicts. Yeah, the Marxist point of view about nationalism and specifically the Soviet point of view
Starting point is 04:26:41 was that once all of the republics are equalized they all have the same basic income, the same level of education and industry, the same economic opportunities, nationalism will disappear. That was their, to some extent, that's the capitalist point of view too. It's very, very similar.
Starting point is 04:27:08 Now, he's very careful to say no official hostility towards, oh, that's certainly true. With the end of nationalism, which, of course, they were completely wrong on. Not that it's changed their minds at all, but one huge area where they were dead wrong. Nationalism is based on economic deprivation, which was a creed of theirs, that they even now they still can't get rid of. Capitalists, you know, your free trade libertarians on the one hand, the markets and the other both believe this. So, yes, no official anti-Jewish talk existed,
Starting point is 04:27:50 but unofficially, it was all over the place. And the foreign Jewish circles did not and could not sense any oppression of the Jews in the USSR. In the article, the Jews and the Soviet dictatorship, S. Ivanovich wrote, quote, abroad, many believe that there is no anti-Semitism in Russia, and on that basis they are favorably disposed toward the Soviet authorities. But in Russia, they know that this is not true. However, Jews pray for the long life of the Soviet regime and are strongly afraid of its demise, for Stalin protects them from pogroms and hopefully
Starting point is 04:28:27 would protect them in the future. The author sympathizes with such an opinion, although he considers it flawed. Quote, if the Soviet dictatorship falls, no doubt there will be a wild, there will be wild anti-Semitic ravages and violence. The fall of the Soviet regime would be catastrophic for Jews, and any friend of the Jewish people should reject such a prospect with horror. Yet at the same time, he remarks that, quote, the Soviet dictatorship is already embarrassed by the Judeophilia and Jewish dominance attributed to it, end quote. What can you say? I think that may be, even be the case for, you know, if the collapse of the Western system, more and more, you know, comment sections are being removed.
Starting point is 04:29:17 They're deleting anything having to do with Jews, even if you put it in a nice way. The Jewish question is known more and more every day, and it's shocking to me. And Netanyahu, of course, was part of the reason why. And yeah, what would happen if everything collapsed suddenly in the U.S., but in the U.S.S.R., well, it did fall. There were very few Jews in there, and the Jews that remained were the oligarchs who had private armies. So whatever wanted to be said or done was And these are private armies that Putin had to end You know throwing these guys in prison
Starting point is 04:30:11 It made him popular If you shot them, he would have become a god And and but this is you know It was so bad in the 90s It's the same same concept You did have a sudden collapse of the Soviet system Not a sudden collapse of the Stalinist system though you know, everything had changed by this point.
Starting point is 04:30:33 But the Jewish oligarchs did have private armies, did control regional governments. So it was very easy. And the right wing, the royalists were always so, they had no unity. The church was the same way. It drives you crazy. You know, they had the zero. Remember of Vladimir Ziranovsky? his real name is Edelman
Starting point is 04:31:01 he was a liberal he was he was play acting anytime he else he would get into trouble you know he would he would have a a news report of of Zerinovsky
Starting point is 04:31:15 you know but his shirt usually had a shirt off yelling about you I'm going to kill Germans I'm going to kill whoever for no reason my favorite one is that he's going to put big fans to blow
Starting point is 04:31:28 nuclear waste into the Baltics. Something crazy like that. And so Yeltsin could say, well, if I lose, this is who's going to take over. Of course, Yerunovsky was no nationalist by any means. He was a phony.
Starting point is 04:31:45 The Liberal Democratic Party was, and I have quite a bit of this in my book in many other places, and he was taking a good chunk of the nationalist vote, which is very unfortunate. the rest of them were very disunited and the Jews on the other hand had been at this for a very long time and it's extremely frustrated frustrating but just like in in America the Jewish question is still Jewish question is always been there in Russia you hear about it on the street you hear about it in the Duma just can't be you can't say I'm going to go go and kill them But we've had Holocaust conferences there.
Starting point is 04:32:35 They don't have any problem with that. They actually mean incitement, not like they do in Britain. But it's, you know, this was the reason why. Yeah, it would have happened maybe that way. But, you know, the right wing was so bad off. And it's true, at least in the Stalin era, that he is the protector of the Jews. He is our patron.
Starting point is 04:33:02 And especially when World War II started, there was no question about it anymore. We have a couple paragraphs to the next break. So here we go. The resolution on Stalin's report at the 16th Party Congress provided the general political direction for the 1930s,
Starting point is 04:33:22 calling for an energetic struggle against chauvinism and primarily against the great Russian Shovina. The party language was easily understood by all. And for several more years, the struggle was enthusiastically carried on. Yet, what kind of Stalinist madness was it? By that time, there was no trace left of the great Russian chauvinism. Stalin was not able to envision the immediate future of World War II when only Russian patriotism would save him from imminent doom.
Starting point is 04:33:56 Then they have already started to. to sound the alarm about the danger of any rebirth of Russian patriotism. In 1939, S. Ivanovich claimed to notice a trend, quote, of this dictatorship returning to some national traditions of Moscovite Rus and Imperial Russia, end quote. He caustically cited several stamps that entered popular discourse about that time, such as the love for the motherland and national pride, etc. All right. I have to talk about this.
Starting point is 04:34:28 this is a long-standing prejudice, I think. But the USSR initially looked like they were losing the war, which was a shock to, you know, because it was, you know, the Soviet army is really offensive. The Germans took all of their ammunition, all of their fuel, which was at the front, right at the Western border. That's how they kept it going. what, three million men or so,
Starting point is 04:35:03 200,000 horses. And the only way that he could get people to die and not support Hitler's movement was to pretend that he supported the old system, which shows you that the old system was popular. But it was extremely minor. I have searched and search and search
Starting point is 04:35:28 for what he has said about this. he made one comment that like Peter the Great was a great revolutionary, which is true. That somehow made him a monarchist. He permitted, you know, he created this new church in 1944, what you call the Moscow, Patriarchate, who said nothing but wonderful things about Stalin consistently, which was very confusing to Orthodox people who weren't already underground. out. The concept of Soviet patriotism was first heard then. In other words, you know, this stuff is genuinely popular in Russia or elsewhere. And the old system, the monarchy, was popular or else he
Starting point is 04:36:22 wouldn't bother to even mention it. And Jews were terrified. But they wildly exaggerated what he was willing to do. In some cases, he permitted the old orthography, you know, the old alphabet. I mean, things like that. And, you know, I've been talking about this for so many years. I know, I know too much about it. A couple of stamps, you know, things like that. And that was enough to send the Jews into this, this, almost hallucinogenic rage that, oh, my God, they're going to come, they're going to come kill us. It was the only way that Stalin could get people Russian boys to fight and die
Starting point is 04:37:06 in Salangrodden elsewhere. That's all that ever was. See, this is where the mortal danger for Russia lurk then, immediately before Hitler's assault, in that ugly Russian patriotism. This alarm did not leave the minds of Jewish publicists for the next half century, even when they looked back at that war,
Starting point is 04:37:29 when mass patriotism blazed up at the war which saved Soviet, get jewelry. So in 1988, we read an Israeli magazine, quote, vivid traditions of the black hundreds were the foundation of vivifying Soviet patriotism, which blossomed later during the great patriotic war. Looking back at that war, it's absolute insanity. By using that, by using a tiny amount of that, it allowed them to defeat Hitler, or at least that was in their minds, the reason why it wasn't but um in their minds it was and so they could talk like this um but uh i don't think even they knew um but again it was very very minor it was just enough maybe to get him over the
Starting point is 04:38:18 hill but um um jues started to realize oh oh it's just a strategy this is in 1988 well as soon as the war ended all that ended too um and everything went back to normal so Looking back at that war of 1941 to 1945, let's admit that this is a highly ungrateful judgment. So even the purest and most immaculate Russian patriotism has no right to exist, not now, not ever. Why is it so? And why is it that Russian patriotism is thus singled out? The anti-communist movement was not anti-communist. It was mostly anti-Russian.
Starting point is 04:39:06 That's where the neocons came from. the Trotsky background, which I've dealt with elsewhere. They were people who hated Stalin so much. They really truly believed he wasn't anti-Semite that they would go to any movement and do anything to destroy the USSR. And these are some of the people who took over conservatism in the 70s and 80 and who rule foreign policy, at least up until very recently. we all know why Russian patriotism was single down. In this particular case, because they were by far the largest group, if that bear was ever revivified, my God, the results would be catastrophic for Jews,
Starting point is 04:39:52 and they were well aware of that. So they had to keep it down as much as humanly possible. And they did. I've mentioned the Leningrad purges right after the war. Any pro-Russian movement, anyone who, any of the Leningraders, as they were called, weren't really, you know, they were not anti-communists by any means. They were, in fact, the opposite. They were strong Stalinists.
Starting point is 04:40:22 But because they stated things in Russian terms, they were a problem, and they had to go. These were the people who defended Leningrad from the German siege that went on for, what, three years. They were celebrated one minute and condemned as nationalists the next minute and sent to prison. That's why I was fascinated by this. I did a paper on it, and I also have a, which I should send you, if I haven't already, and did a lecture on it, too, for Radio Alpion. And that's why Rustin Patriotism is singled out. All righty.
Starting point is 04:41:00 we will pick up where we left off in a few days. I encourage everybody to go over to the show notes to go over to the video description. So go to Amazon and type in Matthew Raphael Johnson and buy Dr. Johnson's latest book by all of his books. That's another way that you can support him apart from or including what is what I've included in the show notes or what is in the description. So please go and do that. And we will pick up with more 1930s in the next episode. Thank you, my friend. I'll talk to you then.
Starting point is 04:41:41 Thank you, Dr. Johnson. Take care. I want to welcome everyone back to our reading of 200 years together by Alexander Solzhenison. This is episode number 96. Dr. Johnson, how are you doing today? You know, cats were permitted. full reign at any orthodox monastery
Starting point is 04:42:01 I think in the first millennium of Catholic monasteries too they could go anywhere they could do whatever they wanted they weren't held back you know whatsoever dogs were kind of associated with wolves
Starting point is 04:42:15 and they had very specific jobs but cats were seen as the spiritual element in the cats and certain birds the spiritual element in the ancient world, I think. And the cats had an ability to see things, but even some humans couldn't. And that's why they were given free.
Starting point is 04:42:42 It wasn't just to kill mice. It was, it was, and it's still the case today, there's no monastery without a cat that does whatever the heck you want. And cats are the spiritual, spiritual pet. How you doing? I'm doing good, man. You know, back from vacation.
Starting point is 04:43:01 Back from vacation. And, yeah, my cat was hospitalized while I was gone. And I trusted the vet to get him back in health. And he is in perfect health. And he's screaming at the door right now. At the age of 15, that's beautiful. Yeah. And I have someone here who went and visited him every day.
Starting point is 04:43:27 so he knew he wasn't abandoned and, you know, someone who's known him as long as I have since the time I brought him home. So, you know, we were able to go and visit family and visit friends while, you know, a vet that I trust very much took care of him and got him back to the point where when I picked him up today, it was like, I mean, he was better, well, I say better than he's been in years as far as health-wise. he just looks great. It's like he had a spa. It's like he had a spa vacation. Yeah, well, yeah, that's what they think they deserve. You got him as a kitten? I got him when he was like one.
Starting point is 04:44:09 Oh, okay. So almost a kitten. Yeah. All right. Let's get going here. On page 495. We're going to be finishing this pretty soon, Dr. Johnson. Yep.
Starting point is 04:44:22 Yeah. We have to come up with another book. And I have a whole bunch of ideas. is. All right. We will talk about that. Here we go. An important event in Jewish life in the USSR was the closing of the Yevsec at the Central
Starting point is 04:44:37 Committee of the All-Russian Communist Party of Bolsheviks in 1930. Though in accord with the Soviet blueprint, this act blocked any separate development of a Jewish society having national, cultural, and individual Jewish autonomy. From now on, Jewish cultural development lay within the Soviet mainstream. In 1937 to 38, the leading Yevsecs, Dimenshtin Litvakov, Esther, and their associates, Kuiar, Siddarski, and Shemirsky, who in the words of YU Margulina in the service of the authorities carried out the greatest pogrom against Jewish culture, were arrested and soon executed. Many Yev-Sex occupying governing positions in the central and local departments of the society
Starting point is 04:45:28 for settling, toiling Jews on the land, OZet, and in the Jewish community, Jewish cultural and educational structures also fell under the juggernaut. In 1936 to 39, the majority of them were persecuted. The poisonous atmosphere of the 1930s now reached these levels too. During open meetings, they began to accuse and expose prominent, Jewish communists who at some time before were members either of the Bund or of the Zionist Socialist Party or even Polo-Zion, all of which were crippled into the Soviet regime. Was there anyone who passed the Bolsheviks did not try to criminalize?
Starting point is 04:46:10 Who have you been before? In 1938, their MS was closed also. Yeah, this is, you know, it's Jews attacking other Jews, for one thing. but, you know, settling Jews on the land still makes me chuckle. I'm sure they had three or four commissions and committee meetings beforehand to see if that could be done. Of course, it wasn't done. They certainly lied about it. You know, Jews own their own land.
Starting point is 04:46:37 You can't own your own land in the Soviet Union if you believe in collectivization. But they didn't like the idea. You can see it one of two ways. either you know the Bolshek party was not Jewish and they're trying to get rid of any Jewish or
Starting point is 04:46:59 it is so Jewish that it's just part of the mainstream now and so you don't need a yes sec or anything else and the latter is what Solzhenits is arguing what I argue what you argue and but you see it's very easy to come up with a a thesis that Stalin just was anti-Jewish, anti-Semitic.
Starting point is 04:47:25 And we know that's not the case. Absolutely not the case. What about education? Right up to 1933, the number of Jewish schools and Jewish students in them increased despite the early 1920s critique of nationalist over zealousness in the actions of the YevSex
Starting point is 04:47:44 on the forced transition of Jewish education into Yiddish. From 1936 to 1939, a period of accelerated decline and even more accelerated impoverishment of the schools in Yiddish was noted. After 1936 to 37, the number of Jewish schools began to decline quickly, even in Ukraine and Belarusia. The desire of parents to send their children to such schools had diminished. Education in Yiddish was seen as less and less prestigious.
Starting point is 04:48:14 There was an effort to give children an education in the Russian language. Also, from the second half of the 1930s, a number of institutions of higher learning, lecturing in Yiddish, began to decline rapidly. Quote, almost all Jewish institutions of higher education and technical schools were closed by 1937 to 1938. Yeah, I mean, by this point, remember, Hebrew was pretty much, I don't want to say completely dead, but Moribund. it was close to being dead. So it's one thing if you could speak it in Yiddish, but Hebrew was out of the question.
Starting point is 04:48:55 Yiddish was something more local. Yiddish is something connected to the Khazar Empire. So that's what really was going on here. And most people, not Sultan Yitzin, but most people, tend to underestimate the language issue at the time. It's like the language issue in Ukraine. or in Ireland, or in a lot of places, you know, the differences between Yiddish and Hebrew were great, two very different languages.
Starting point is 04:49:28 And Yiddish was strange because it really wasn't standardized. You had Yiddish all over the place, you know, in Germany and in Ukraine was more connected to the Khazars than it was in northern Europe. So you had all kinds, it wasn't just dialects, it was different, almost different language. languages. But Hebrew was out of the question because the Soviets associated it with some kind of religion, even though they should have known better at the time. At the start of the 1930s, Jewish Scientific Institute said the Academies of Science of Ukraine and Belarusia were closed. In Kiev, the Institute of Jewish Proletarian Culture fell into desolation. And soon after the arrest followed Mikhail Conan of the Leningrad Institute of Philosophy, Literature, and History was executed.
Starting point is 04:50:19 Ayakol Rabrebre, formerly of the Petrograd Institute of the Higher Jewish Studies, who in the 1930s headed the Jewish section of the public library, was sentenced to eight years and died in the transit camp. Persecutione spread to writers in Yiddish. Moishe Colbac was persecuted in 1937, Kulak Axelrod in 1940, Abram Abchuk, a teacher of Yiddish and a critic in 1937, writer Girl Bazaov was persecuted in 1938, writer I. Karak and critic K.H. Dunitz were persecuted also. Still, literature in Yiddish was actively published until the end of the 1930s. Jewish publishers
Starting point is 04:51:03 were working in Moscow, Kiev and Minsk. Yet what kind of literature was it? In 1930s, the overwhelming majority of works, were written stereotypically in accordance with the unshakable principles of socialist realism. literature in Yiddish from the 1930s up to June 1941 was marked by the cult of Stalin. Unbridled flattery for Stalin flowed from the bosom of Jewish poetry. Itzik Fedder managed to light up even official propaganda with lyrical notes. These monstrous sayings are ascribed to his pen. You betrayed your father. This is great.
Starting point is 04:51:40 And I say Stalin, but envision the son. Most of these writers, who's elsewhere, tried to please Stalin were arrested 10 years later, but some of them, as mentioned above, had already drawn this lot. It's unfortunate that in 1944, Stalin asked how many of the Orthodox bishops are still alive, and it was a certain number, and, you know, give me the three that are the most malleable, and they did. And then the hench created the,
Starting point is 04:52:16 Moscow Patriarchate of the Russian Orthodox Church there, which is what still exists. Now, I don't want to make an immediate, you know, those guys are long dead, but it's painful to listen to or to read their, they have the Journal of Moscow, Patrick Yorker, in 1953 at Solomon's death, the worshipful,
Starting point is 04:52:40 I mean, worshipful writing. I mean, it went beyond just, praise. It was almost almost like he was Christ himself coming down to save orthodoxy, save religion from the Nazis. And it seems like, you know, that doesn't help them to a great extent. But there weren't, there wasn't anyone
Starting point is 04:53:06 left to persecute. Unless they were underground all over the world. I said this before all over the world in the diaspora of exile or dead. So that's some of the most painful things. I see they're doing that here with the Jews had to do the same thing. The Jews would absolutely do the same thing after 1945 for very obvious reasons. And Israel was founded by the Stalinists in 1948 on the grounds that,
Starting point is 04:53:46 he saved the world from Hitler. So we talked about that already too, but, you know, it just got to the point where socialist realism was so, as he says, stereotypical, but it was boring. But this is what you had to do if you want to get a job,
Starting point is 04:54:07 if you wanted to function. There were tons and tons of Jews around Stalin, always, everywhere. At the local level, everywhere. everyone was being persecuted, not just them. But you could see how, and everything you've read so far, you could see why someone would say, oh, he must have not liked the Jews very much. No, there were Jews everywhere.
Starting point is 04:54:34 Abolishing the institutions didn't mean he wanted to abolish. I mean, he knew what the Jews were, their connection to Orthodoxy early on. But he didn't want a separate movement. So, you know, that's really the big issue. The worshipfulness, though, that they use, they abuse the language. They abuse whatever freedom they had to worship Stalin right up until the end of the so-called Cold War is manifest. And there's not much, in the journal of the Moscow Patriarchate, there is absolutely, there's almost, almost nothing of theological value to be found there. Similarly, the ideological press of official communist doctrine signified from many Jewish artists and sculptors a complete breakup, quite often tragic with the national Jewish traditions.
Starting point is 04:55:38 Still, what culture in the USSR was not touched by this? So it comes as little surprise that the overwhelming majority of Jewish theaters devoted much attention to propaganda performances. This included all 19 aforementioned professional Yiddish theaters and numerous independent collectives, studios, and circles. Concerning Hebrew culture which preserved the national traditions, it was by now conclusively banished and went underground. It has already been mentioned that the Zionist underground was crushed by the beginning of the 19th, 30s. Many Zionists were already rounded up, but still many others were accused of the Zionist conspiracy. Take Pinkus Dyshefsky from Chapter 8. In 1933, he was arrested as a Zionist. Pinkus Krasny was not a Zionist, but was listed as such in his death sentence. He was former minister of Petlura's directorate, emigrated, but later returned into the USSR. He was executed in 1939. Wolf Avrabbe. a polo a Zionist from his youth left for Israel in 1922 where he collaborated with the communist
Starting point is 04:56:49 press. In 1930, he was sent back to the USSR where he was arrested. I don't know how you could be banished to Israel in 1922. As a legal state, it didn't exist at the time. But what you had in the Middle East was the Hasidic rabbis in Jerusalem who absolutely despised Zionism until, of course, the Messiah comes,
Starting point is 04:57:23 absolutely despised Zionism, and Israel was imposed on top of them. Salad didn't like factions to refuse to deal with the fact that he went, he was equal opportunity. It wasn't because there were Jews. He hated factions. And he wanted one,
Starting point is 04:57:41 unified Soviet Party, Communist Party. So I guess he means he left for the Middle East in 1922. I think is what he's talking about. Most of the semi-legal catered schools and yeshivas were shut down and around that time. Arrest rolled on from the late 1920s in the Hasidic underground. Yaakov Sakharaya Maskalik was arrested in 1937.
Starting point is 04:58:09 Slavin was arrested in 1939. By the end of 1933, 23, 237 synagogues were closed, that is, 57% of all existing in the first years of Soviet authority. In the mid-1930s, the closure of synagogues accelerated. From 1929, the authorities began to impose excessive tax on matzah baking. In 1937, the Commission on the Questions of Religions at the Central Executive Committee of the USSR prohibited baking matzah in Jewish religious communities. In 1937 to 38, the majority of clergy of the Jewish religious cult were persecuted. There were no rabbis in the majority of still functioning synagogues. In 1938, a hostile rabbinical nest was discovered in the Moscow Central Synagogue.
Starting point is 04:58:56 The rabbis and a number of parishioners were arrested. Excuse me. The rabbi of Moscow's Shmul-Lebe Medalia was arrested and executed in 1938. his son Moysha medallia was arrested at the same time. In 1937, the rabbi of Saratov, Aesov-Buggetin, was arrested. Keep in mind that these weren't shut down because there were Jewish institutions, you know, or even religious institutions. Many of them under Krustiv were revived.
Starting point is 04:59:37 You know, in fact, the persecution of orthodoxy under, or Crucstiv increased under under Cruistiv for whatever was left but most of these synagogues were but you know by the time of the war someone was wiped out anyway
Starting point is 04:59:57 it's you know but it was because yet they were using you already mentioned in the previous paragraph someone was a part of the Petluria's directorate they're speaking
Starting point is 05:00:12 you know the maxobaking is often done in the religious context of Hebrew it was seen as just another faction so Jews were
Starting point is 05:00:26 I don't think you know Jews were not persecuted not as such anyway they were and these were revived as much as possible after the war what could be revived
Starting point is 05:00:38 The orthroxy on the other hand was a different story. That had already been so destroyed that there was nothing left really by the Kusha era. In the early 1930s, when the Jewish religion was restricted in the USSR, the closing of thousands of Orthodox Christian temples and the destruction of many of them rolled along throughout the entire country. They especially hurried to liberate Soviet Moscow from the church, Boris Iofen was in charge of that reconstruction. In that bitter and hungry year of devastating breakdown of the country,
Starting point is 05:01:16 they promoted projects for a grand palace of Soviets in place of the Cathedral of Christ the Savior. Izvestia reports, quote, So far, 11 projects are presented at the exhibition, particularly interesting among them are the works of architects Friedman, B. Iofen, Bronstein, and Ladovsky. Later, the arrests reached. the architects as well.
Starting point is 05:01:40 Yeah. I was going to say here, the concept of Zionism was essentially to Stalin's years Jewish nationalism. I don't think he realized at the time just how how powerful of the movement that's going to eventually be.
Starting point is 05:02:03 It was small. Keep in mind. It was very small. It wasn't until, of course, World War II in Hitler. that it really developed. And because Stalin was, you know, the founder of the Israeli state in the U.N. and elsewhere, even when the U.S. was iffy about it. I have a paper out on that, which I should send you if I haven't already. So it's not quite the total destruction burning down of Orthodox temples.
Starting point is 05:02:37 It was very different. It was done for very different. reasons. But of course, the war, the invasion destroyed everything in this path. The move towards settling the toiling Jews on the land gradually became irrelevant for Soviet Jews. The percentage of Jewish settlers abandoning lands given to them remained high. In 1930 to 32, the activity of foreign Jewish philanthropic organization such as agrojoint, OKG and EKO in the USSR had noticeably decreased. And although in 1933 to 38, it had still continued within the frameworks of new restrictive
Starting point is 05:03:18 agreements, in 1938, the activity ceased completely. In the first half of 1938, first the O-SET and then the Committee for Settling the Toilings used on the land, the Comzat, were dissolved. The overwhelming majority of remaining associates of these organizations, who were still at liberty were persecuted. By 1939, the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine decided to liquidate the officially created National Jewish Districts and Burroughs. Artificially created national Jewish districts and boroughs.
Starting point is 05:03:53 But again, it wasn't because they were Jews. The Bedibisdan idea, which is the next paragraph, things change. Nonetheless, the idea of a Jewish colony of Barobisdon was, not abandoned in the 1930s and was even actively advanced by government. In order to put spirit into the masses, the authorities staged the second All-Union Congress of the OZet in Moscow in December 1930. By the end of 1931, the general population of that oblast was 45,000 of only 5,000 Jews among them. Although whole villages with homes were built for their settlement and access roads were laid, sometimes by inmates from the camps nearby, for example, the train station of Barobisdun was constructed in this manner.
Starting point is 05:04:41 Yet non-Jewish colonization of the region went faster than Jewish colonization. We already, I think we discussed this, what, a month ago about they thought that, you know, the gold was going to be found there. It turned out to be a bad tip. So that's why it died. and I was the one who discovered that, you know, why? All the way out there. You know, southern Siberia and the Chinese border, why? That far away.
Starting point is 05:05:13 And it was because there was some gold that was to be found there. That was found there. There is a small Chinese-owned mining company there working it, but that's all there is. Keep in mind that in Bedibisdan, there were synagogues built. bought with state money. So he knocks it down in one place. He rebuilds it in some other place. The concept is that, you know, Jews certainly thought, and again, Jews were all over, you know,
Starting point is 05:05:45 Solomon's administration at the time, that, you know, it's not a simple issue. It's a very complicated issue. That then Jews would be able to directly control the price of gold from this area. That's how big the American and even the pre-revolutionary mining surveys had stated it. They could control the price of gold from one spot. It was a flop. It wasn't much gold found there. And that's the reason it didn't work.
Starting point is 05:06:18 In order to set matters right, in autumn of 1931, the presidium of the central executive committee of the RSFSR decreed that another 25,000 Jews should be settled in Barobin. done during the next two years after which it would be possible to declare at the Jewish Autonomous Republic. However, in the following years, a number of Jews who left exceeded the number of Jews arriving, and by the end of 1933, after six years of colonization, the number of settled Jews amounted only to 8,000. Of them, only 1,500 lived in rural areas, i.e. worked in Colcoses, that is, the Jews comprised less than one-fifth of all Colchos workers there.
Starting point is 05:07:03 There is also information that the land in the Jewish Caucasus was fairly often tilled by hired Cossacks and Koreans. Yet again, yet again, my lord. Yeah. The Oblast could not even provide enough agricultural product for its own needs. Yeah, once the gold didn't work out, No one wanted to go there. But even if it did, it was such a difficult place to go.
Starting point is 05:07:33 I mean, you're what, 3,000 miles at least, 3,500 miles away from Moscow. It was one hell of a trip. And it was a totally different world. I, you know, so you can't call Stalin, anti-Jewish, if he wants to create a Jewish autonomous republic. That doesn't make any sense. And he recognized Stalin recognized it failed.
Starting point is 05:07:58 and in 1948 of course Stalin and the Communist Party was absolutely essential in establishing the state of Israel. Nevertheless, in May 1934, when the non-Jewish population had already reached 50,000, Bureau Bidzdan was loudly declared a Jewish autonomous oblast. It still did not qualify for the status of republic. Thus, there was no national enthusiasm,
Starting point is 05:08:29 among the Jewish masses, which would ease the overcoming of the enormous difficulties inherent in such colonization. There was no industry in Barobisdon, and the economic and social structure of the settlers resembled that of contemporary Jewish towns and Stettles in Ukraine and Belarusia. This was particularly true for the city of Barobisdan, especially considering the increased role of the Jews in the local administrative apparatus. I think you had a handful of Chinese, you had some Koreans. You had a handful of Russians. They tried to create, it's, it's, it's, the land, you know, it's very mountainous.
Starting point is 05:09:08 So, you know, farming isn't necessarily an important part of the economy. To this day, it's really never been settled. It's a beautiful place, though. But, you know, try to get Wi-Fi. That's a different story. But every once in a while, I come across an article about the Jews who have stayed. all this time and I want to completely want to want to remake it. You know, this is our state.
Starting point is 05:09:38 And it's a mainstream publication like Time Newsweek, something like that. And there's this, you know, guy, this, you know, this rabbi who wants, you know, thought it was a great idea and wants to continue. And maybe that sounds better and better as things get worse for Israel. But again, without the gold, nothing made any sense about it. And of course, yet again, for the 40th time, those who were in the collective farm system who were Jewish would not work. They hired these things out to serve labor amongst the Korean or Russian population or the Kossack population. But I don't know if you even call them Kossacks out there.
Starting point is 05:10:29 I question that. They were recognized by the state as Kossacks, which it doesn't make any sense. But it is a rough place to live. Jews are not interested in that. And it's so remote and so far away. And it's just it wasn't what they were told it was going to be. Culture and Yiddish had certainly developed in the Autonomous OBLAST. There were Jewish newspapers, radio.
Starting point is 05:11:01 radio, schools, a theater named after Kaganovich. Its director was the future author E. Kuzakovich, a library named after Sholam Alakam, a museum of Jewish culture and public reading facilities. Peretz-Marcich had published the Exaltzant article, A People Reborn in the Central Press. In connection with Birro Bizdon, let's note the fate of the demographer Ilya Weissblitz. His position was that the policy of recruitment of poor urban Jews in order to settle them in rural areas should end. There are no de-class A individuals among the Jews who could be suitable for Bureau Bistan. He was arrested in 1933 and likely died in prison. So, again, I'll repeat myself.
Starting point is 05:11:52 You can't claim that Salin, again, he was quoting somebody, by the way, as old D'Nitin was, when he talked about the closures of the of the synagogues. That wasn't him writing. And he has a footnote. I don't know who it is. So how much that was true, I don't know. But you can't claim that he's anti-Jewish
Starting point is 05:12:17 and then create and finance a whole Yiddish world with synagogues all over the place and call it the Jewish Autonomous Republic and then be called anti-Jewish. But you have to admit it's a rough spot to make anything work. Yet the central authorities believe that the colonization should be stimulated even further. And from 1934, they begun a near compulsory recruitment among Jewish artisans and workers in the Western regions. That is, among the urban population without a slightest knowledge, of agriculture. The slogan rang out. The entire USSR builds the Jewish Autonomous Oblast,
Starting point is 05:13:02 meaning that recruitment of non-Jewish cadres is needed for a quicker development. The ardent Yevsek-Demonstin wrote that, we do not aim to create a Jewish majority in the Jewish Autonomous Oblast as soon as possible. This would contradict the principles of internationalism. That's very interesting. The Jews had at this point, that's an interesting comment there yeah it is they're so used to being a minority their entire social world and way of thinking was structured around it um i know willis carter used to say that if we didn't exist or if they didn't have the the goyem to hate uh they start killing each other um but um but yeah i i don't know if that's true or not that they never aimed for that but they're you it Even, you know, there's, I think it's, I top of my head, I don't know. I think it's like 500, 500 to a thousand who's still there.
Starting point is 05:14:04 And even in Jewish circles, it's not talked about very much. Again, because Stalin was seen as an anti-Jewish figure. But despite all these measures, during the next three years, only another 11,000 to eight or nine thousand Jews were added to those already living there. Still, most of the newcomers preferred to stay in the Oblast capital closer to its railroad stations and looked at railroad station and looked for opportunities to escape. Yet as we know, the Bolsheviks may not be defeated or dispirited. So because of dissatisfaction with the Comset in 1936, the central executive committee of the USSR
Starting point is 05:14:45 decided to partially delegate the overseeing of Jewish resettlement in the Jewish Autonomous Oblast to the resettlement department of the NKVD. In August of 1936, the Presidium of the Central Executive Committee of the USSR proclaimed that, quote, for the first time in the history of the Jewish people, their ardent desire to have their own homeland has been realized and their own national statehood has been established, end quote. And now they began planning resettlement of 150,000 more Jews to Bureau Bids on. Yeah, it's all of this, you know, this is not, this is not easy.
Starting point is 05:15:23 This is very complex, although it seems that way. When you deliver it over to the NKVD, things are a little harsher, but Jews were all over the NKVD. But, again, everything in Burabiristan had to be in Yiddish. Religious stuff was fine, as long as it was done in Yiddish. And, but again, you know, and I think I mentioned this before a month ago, a couple months ago. But if you look up the flag about Abidjan, the Autonomous Oblasts flag, if you look it up online, it should be very familiar to you. It's just a, it's a rainbow. Looking back at it, the Soviet efforts to convert the Jews to agriculture suffered the same defeat as the Tsarist efforts a century before.
Starting point is 05:16:20 My Lord, what is it with these people? I'm shocked. In the meantime, I mean, they never, they can't learn from history. It's impossible for them to learn from history. Yeah, but even good men, and the Tsarist Eric didn't, you know, couldn't do it. They just can't seem to learn that the Jews have no interest in this. They're not going to do it. And they certainly aren't going to do it all the way out there.
Starting point is 05:16:47 In the meantime, the year in 1938 approached. Comzette was closed, OZet was disbanded, and the main Yevsecs in Moscow and the administrators of the Jewish Autonomous Oblast were arrested. Those bureau bids on Jews who could left for the cities of the Far East or for Moscow. According to the 1939 census, a general population of the Jewish Autonomous Oblast consisted of 108,000 people. However, quote, the number of Jews there remained secret. the Jewish population of Bireribisdan was still low, end quote. Presumably 18 Jewish Kolkazet, how do you pronounce that? You know how to pronounce it.
Starting point is 05:17:32 Kolkoses? Yeah. Kolkoses still existed of 40 to 50 families each, but in those Kolkoses, they conversed and corresponded with the authorities in Russian. Yeah, and they really had no choice in that matter. but given that it was on the border with China, it did take advantage of the Chinese, Cossack, and a handful of Koreans that did the surf labor for them.
Starting point is 05:18:01 They weren't out there with a hoe till in the land. You know, although I'm sure you could find the occasional, you know, exception that wasn't the case. They never stopped being Jews. And if there's, you know, such a random, again, because I discovered the real reason for the for the Barobistan experiment and I'm the first I guess I'm the first one who had at least in English there's all these theories out there about why why is it so far away
Starting point is 05:18:34 when in fact and then I come across this in a mining journal that this part of Siberia is loaded with with with gold both before and after the revolution in English and in Russia and, you know, but the number of Jews remaining secret because it was a failure. And they didn't want to admit it. Yet, what could Barobidson have become for Jews? Just 45 years later, the Israeli general Benny Pellid emphatically explained why neither Birrobizan nor Uganda could give the Jewish people a sense of connection with the land.
Starting point is 05:19:18 Quote, I simply feel that I am not ready to die for a piece of land in Russia, Uganda, or New Jersey. The sense of connection after thousands of years of estrangement was restored by Israel. Benny's birth name is Benjamin Weidenfeld. Because, of course, they all change your name so that they can sound more Middle Eastern, because most of them are from Europe. Yeah. Yeah, and the handful of Jews that remained, just like they are everywhere else, made themselves very unpopular because they did treat locals or people who they brought in as serfs.
Starting point is 05:20:14 Nothing more than serves. And they didn't stop being Jews just because they were shipped a billion miles away to the Chinese border. All right. the migration of Jews to the major cities did not slow down in the 1930s. The Jewish Encyclopedia reports that, according to the census in 1926, there were 131,000 Jews in Moscow. In 1931, there were 226,500. And in 1939, there were 250,000 Jews. Quote, as a result of the massive resettlement of Ukrainian Jews, their share among Moscow Jewry increased to 80%.
Starting point is 05:20:54 end quote. In the book on the Russian Jewry, 1968, we find that in the 1930s up to a half million Jews were counted among government workers, sometimes occupying prominent posts primarily in the economy. That's 500,000 government workers. The author also reports that in the 1930s, up to a half million Jews became involved in industry, mainly in manual labor. Yeah, yeah, sure. On the other hand, Laran provides another figure that among the industrial workers, there were only 2.7% Jews or 200,000 or 2.5 times less than the first estimate. Yeah, okay, you know, because it just wasn't true.
Starting point is 05:21:45 But every once in a while, you know, they do, they, they, they, it's like the old, you know, the old settle system where, um, if you have trouble makers, if you have people who are just not going to make it. If they just don't, you know, think properly, you ship them off to do something to the Army. Remember that whole discussion with under Nicholas I first? And so I think there were a handful doing this kind of manual labor, but they weren't exactly representative of your typical Jew, or of Judaism in general, I should say. The flow of Jews into the ranks of office workers grew constantly. The reason for this was the mass migration to cities and also the sharp increase of the educational level, especially of Jewish youth. The Jews predominantly lived in the major cities,
Starting point is 05:22:37 did not experience artificial social restrictions so familiar to their Russian peers, and it needs to be said, they studied devotedly, thus preparing masses of technical cadres for the Soviet future. I'm okay I got to read that a few times to get that to get that straight you know it's very easy you know Johnson's law says to lie about how many Jews were involved in manual labor well it's very very obscure topic how many people could even know to or even know how to look it up they can say whatever they want and they're going to be they're going to be belief but I they still
Starting point is 05:23:20 remained, and remember the census issue was always very sensitive one for the Jews, whether be Soviet or Tsarist. You know, I think there are there, they didn't like responding to the census. They didn't like, you know, anything like that. But I guess they saw the USSR as something not a Jewish state necessarily, especially those who used Hebrew. But at least, you know, it was wonderful because it got rid of the Azores state. So it's the worst thing imaginable. So Jews all over the world supported it. And if I had to give up Hebrew, that was fine.
Starting point is 05:24:06 We have a natural break after the second upcoming paragraph. Looks like it to me. Okay. Let's glance into statistical data. Quote, in 1929, the Jews comprised 13.5% of all students in the high, higher educational institutions in the USSR. In 1933, 12.2%. In 1936, 13.3% of all students and 18% of graduate students, with their share of the total population being only 1.8%. From 1928 to 1935, the number of Jewish students per 1,000 of the Jewish population rose from 8.4 to 20.4 per
Starting point is 05:24:49 thousand Belarusians that were there were 2.4 students and per thousand Ukrainians 2.0. And by 1935, the percentage of Jewish students exceeded the percentage of Jews in the general population of the country by almost seven times, thus standing out from all other peoples of the Soviet Union. G. V. Kostorenko Kostirchenko, who researched Stalin's policies on Jews, comments on the results in the 1939 census, quote, after all, Stalin could not disregard the fact that at the start of 1939 out of every thousand Jews, 268, had a high school education, and 57 out of a thousand had higher education. Among Russians, the figures were respectively 81 and 6 per 1,000. It is no secret that highly successful completion of higher education or doctoral studies
Starting point is 05:25:45 allowed individuals to occupy socially prestigious positions in the robustly developing Soviet economy of the 1930s. However, in the book on Russian Jewry, we find that without exaggeration, after Eschhoff's purges, not a single prominent Jewish figure remained at liberty in Soviet Jewish society, journalism, culture, or even in the science. Well, it was absolutely not like that, and it is indeed a gross exaggeration. Still, the same, author Gregori Aronson in the same book, only two pages later, says summarily about the 1930s that the Jews were not deprived of general civil rights. They continued to occupy posts in the state and party apparatus. And there were quite a few Jews in the diplomatic corps in the general staff of
Starting point is 05:26:33 the army and among the professors and the institutions of higher learning. Thus, we enter into the year 1939. And how could Stalin have possibly been anti-Judaic? You know, Aronson is obviously a Jewish last name. Clearly, he wasn't. They didn't have privileges that they never had before. They had privileges in the Tsarist era as well, as we discussed in great detail that the average Russian didn't have. And speaking of the previous paragraph, one of the problems, once Israel was founded,
Starting point is 05:27:13 I don't think the Soviets fully understood what it was. would mean and how big it would become. Because you can't train a Jew, you know, once Israel went to the U.S. after World War II for obvious reasons, then you want these huge numbers of Jews in the 70s going over there. You can't train Jews in these fields, in fact, sensitive fields, military, military things scientific things that are specific to the Soviet Union, only to have them go to Israel, which was a U.S. ally.
Starting point is 05:27:57 And that's where the Jackson-Vannock Amendment came from and all this stuff. And that again was CC. It proves that they were anti-Judaic, anti-Semitic. But by the time of like the Sixth Day War, at that point, early 70s, the Russian, sorry, the Soviet Communist Party was very different from what had taken over in 1917. In fact, they had nothing in common whatsoever. Jews had, were abandoning, they were fleeing the sinking ship going elsewhere. And it was really the U.S. and the U.S. allies where they, you know, where they were going to,
Starting point is 05:28:44 places like especially either New York or Israel itself. and eventually every once in a while, you know, you had, so you have, like, even in Central Europe, the Communist Party's there, you had some thinking, very much like our thinking. Like, you know, how dare they? We've done all these wonderful things for them. And they go and abandon us and go to an American ally. So, although the laws were still in the books, they couldn't have been in force very much. you know, because anti-Zionism became a serious, almost an official doctrine in the 1970s in the USSR.
Starting point is 05:29:27 Well, I think in that, next to the last paragraph, when it says here, it is no secret that highly, quote unquote, quoting highly successful completion of higher education and doctoral studies, allowed individuals to occupy socially prestigious positions in the robustly developing Soviet economy of the 1930. well, robustly, that's, that word's doing a hell of a lot of work there. Secondly, I mean, what I hear all the time is, is that you're just jealous because we're successful. And I'm looking at this and I'm saying, no, this is nepotism. There are, it's just like Indians.
Starting point is 05:30:11 They get, someone gets into a big position. And even if they don't like, most Indians don't even like you. other and they get each other jobs they they they they they from indian from the subcontinent okay yeah they don't even like each other and they get each other jobs just do the same thing it's nepotism everybody oh well how could the how could you know it's it's it's all just success that 457 jews which i'm not making up a number this is a number that um kamala harris's husband used were working in the Biden White House. Well, I mean, if there are 2% of the population, you're, it just explain that.
Starting point is 05:30:53 You're not going to explain that in any other way than nepotism and power. It's not that they're the most qualified. Yeah, the other option, the only other option you have is to say that they're simply superior. Yeah. But if you look at the Biden White House and the effects of the Biden White House and the effects of the Biden White House and how the Biden, no, they're not. They're not superior because they're not successful. The only thing they're successful in is getting a job.
Starting point is 05:31:23 They can't do the job. Or when they do the job, they purposely do the job to fuck white people and to fuck Americans. Because, I mean, well, what other, what, what, what's the other explanation? The only other explanation is they're, they can get the job because somebody gets them the job and they're really shitty at doing the job. Either that or they're purposely fucking us over so that their own people can benefit. There's only two options as far as I'm concerned.
Starting point is 05:31:54 Well, the power of the Ivy League and their prestige is fake. And it comes from the fact that Jews dominate here. They dominate for the same reason, as you said. They do very little work. they have grad students take care of most of their research Lauren Summer being one of the worst as we all know who helped collapse two economies who was part of the collapse of the U.S. economy in 2008
Starting point is 05:32:26 and the Russian economy in the 90s again still considered a highly prestigious economist no one ever gets fired for this stuff you know yeah of course you're going to assist one another i've seen it myself i've seen it myself uh it's it's um now i've come across jews who believe they're simply superior we have the higher IQ we deserve it but of course they can't really promote that consistently if i IQ or intellectual superiority was the only matter then then what happens to to to the blacks well they can't have that
Starting point is 05:33:08 So, you know, it gets a little bit twisted here. But you're exactly right. It is nepotism. And this is why Stalin was not anti-Judaic, never not in his life. He didn't like factions. And there were Jews who were doing most of the works against Jews. The handful, assuming that this is true, the handful of the synagogues that were closed by Jews. because they were not speaking the proper language
Starting point is 05:33:43 because they were promoting something they didn't like, you know, and there's no doubt, you know, no doubt. And then you mentioned the Biden White House. Most of my statistics where I quote from are from Jewish sources, and they're bragging about it. They think this shows how successful we are and how wonderful we are. I don't have to go to our sources. We could go right to Jewish sources,
Starting point is 05:34:07 and they'll admit to their total domination of all this. I have a list of the Jewish leaders in banking and finance, and it's 17 pages. There's a little bit of overlap. It's 17 pages. And I got most of that from Wikipedia. So it's, you know, I guess, but not, they're comfortable up until a point. I don't think they're comfortable anymore. they can simply rule openly.
Starting point is 05:34:48 I don't know if that's the case right now in late 2025. Thanks to Netanyahu. Because people are noticing these things. I get stuff sent to me all the time. The noticing is continuing. Not just about Israel, but about Jews and society. All the time. People are starting to notice, and that's a wonderful thing.
Starting point is 05:35:13 You know, I got into, I was at an event and apparently somebody there who was Jewish knew who I was and decided that they were going to openly start arguing with me. And, you know, they asked me questions like, oh, so do you think Murray Rothbard, the libertarian was, you know, and I thought to myself, I didn't say this because I knew things would get out of hand, but I thought to myself, you mean Murray Rothbard, the anarchist? You mean Murray Rothbard, who was not a heritage, you know, whose family did not found this country and then came to this country and then started advocating to destroy the government and tear the government completely down so the government could disappear. So the government would be out of the hands of the people of the, of the progeny of those who built it, built it. That Murray Rothbard? What are you telling me here? What do you what do you? You know, this is a person who was like, oh, somebody was dipping Alp, which is one of those
Starting point is 05:36:20 nicotine packets that Tucker Carlson did. And before we even, before he even decided to, before he even decided to like confront me, he goes, you know, you shouldn't have Alp. Alp is disgusting. Alp is dirty. It's been known to, it's been tested to be, you know, that there's something wrong with it. And then when he, like, I found that I didn't know this guy was Jewish. But then when he started going at me, I found out.
Starting point is 05:36:44 And I'm like, oh, there's nothing wrong with Alp. You just think Tucker Carlson's an anti-Semite. Tucker Carlson owns Alp. So that's why you're a tat. Motherfucker, you're a libertarian. Motherfucker. You know, it's like, you know, oh, no, it's the leftist Jews. It's the left.
Starting point is 05:37:05 I'm one of the good ones. It's the leftist Jews. It's only the leftist Jews. You know, honest conversation. Just try to have an honest conversation. I just want to have an obvious conversation once without, without them saying, oh, it's not, oh, oh, it's not like there's always Jews there. You know, it's like, well, tell me when it, tell me when it wasn't, especially in the last hundred years. Okay.
Starting point is 05:37:34 I mean, come on. It's like, let's have an honest conversation here about without you, without you going, oh, it's the Zionist. Oh, there's something about Judaism that causes people to act like this. Let's have the conversation about what it is. I'm as familiar with your scripture, the Bible, as you are. The one that you don't even believe is real. You don't believe the God of it is real. You just use it as a fucking real.
Starting point is 05:38:02 You use it like a real estate portfolio. Right. This is what's promised to me. I mean, come on. just have an honest conversation. I don't want to kill you. I don't even want to confront you. All you have to do is have an honest conversation.
Starting point is 05:38:21 That's it. But they honestly got that. They actually believe that. They believe that we would do that. But if we had any kind of power, that's the first thing we would do. I have the feeling that's a little bit of projection there on their part. Well, I mean, I think the last two years proves that.
Starting point is 05:38:38 Yeah. Yeah. For the world to see. I think the only way you get the honest conversation is to be friends with somebody. I've had friends from high school. I've had friends. You know, they know I'm a nice guy. I'm not going to, you know, we can have intelligent conversations about it.
Starting point is 05:38:57 You know, but that's pretty much the only way. You can't just go up to, it can't be set up, you know, like the old crossfire way or debate for an election. never going to work that way. You have to be known to each other. All right. We'll be back for episode 97 in a couple days. Please go to the show notes and please go to the description in the videos. There are links to all the ways you can support Dr. Johnson there and links to his new book.
Starting point is 05:39:34 And you can support him by buying that book, which pretty soon, once I get a chance to read it, I will. I think Dr. Johnson just wants a break from the book. So I'm not in much of a rush to read it to interview him for it because he made, he told me privately is like, I don't really want to talk about this book. Yeah, I'm just sick of the topic. But as far as sales are concerned, if it happens, I'll do it. But yes, I said, you know, I'm so sick of this topic right now. I was working until three in the morning.
Starting point is 05:40:09 I don't want to hear about Russian missiles anymore. But if it's for the sake of selling the book in this kind of an environment, then yes, of course I'll do it. Awesome. All right. Go support Dr. Johnson. We'll be back in a couple days. Thank you, Dr. Johnson.
Starting point is 05:40:28 Thank you, my friend. I want to welcome everyone back to our reading of 200 years together by Alexander Solzhenison. This is episode 97. Dr. Johnson, how are you doing today? I'm exhausted. I don't have any particular idea why I'm exhausted. There's no reason for it.
Starting point is 05:40:46 I got a good, nice sleep. But I am completely, you know, everything's fine, you know, physically. But I don't know. I don't know. What's going on? So I think this material, this bullshit we're going to be talking about here, that will set me aflame, hopefully. Well, let's get into it then, and let's start that party.
Starting point is 05:41:17 Here we go. The voice of Moscow was that of the people's artist, Yuri Levitin, the voice of the USSR, that incorruptible profit of our truth, the main host of the radio station of the common turn, and a favorite of Stalin. Entire generations grew up listening to his voice. He read Stalin's speeches and summaries of Sovin Form Bureau, the Soviet Information Bureau, and the famous announcements about the beginning and the end of the war. In 1936, Samuil Samusud became the main conductor of the Bolshoi theater and served on that post for many years. Mikhail Nessen continued to produce music in the style of modern European music and in the style of so-called New York.
Starting point is 05:42:07 Jewish music. Nesson's sisters successfully ran the music school, which developed into the Outstanding Musical Institute. The ballet of Alexander Crane was performed in the Marinsky and Bolshoi theaters. Well, Crane distinguished himself by his symphony, Rhapsody, that is, a Stalin speech set to music. Crane's brother and nephew flourished also. A number of brilliant musicians rose to and later to international flame. Gimsberg, Gillills, Zach, Oberyn, Oistrock, Flyer, and many others. Many established theater directors, theater and literary critics, and music scholars, continued to work without hindrance. Yes, you heard that right. Stalin's speeches set to music because he was considered a deity of some type. and that's how bad it got.
Starting point is 05:43:05 Clearly Jews were not persecuted at any level. And the so-called cultural or anti-cultural side of the revolution was just as important as anything else. But I had heard about this before. These are all founded in the Tsarist era. But a Stalin speech set to me, I don't, I'd rather not hear that. I haven't heard that before. I don't want to hear it in the future. The song of Stalin. The Psalms of Stalin.
Starting point is 05:43:50 Examining the culture of the 19th, examining the culture of the 1930s, it is impossible to miss the extraordinary achievements of the songwriter composers. Isaac Dunevsky, a founder of genres of operetta and mass song in Soviet music, composed easily digestible songs, routinely glorifying the Soviet way of life. The March of Mary Ladd's 1933, the song of Karkova, 1935, the song about homeland, 1936, the song of Stalin. Hey, there it is, 1936, etc. Official propaganda on the arts declared these songs, the embodiment of the thoughts and
Starting point is 05:44:28 feelings of millions of Soviet people. Denevsky's tunes were used as the identifying melody of Moscow radio. He was heavily decorated for his service. He was the first of all composers to be awarded the Order of the Red Banner of Labor and elected to the Supreme Soviet of the USSR in the notorious year in 1937. Later, he was also awarded the Order of Lenin. He used to preach to composers that the Soviet people do not need symphonies. Well, what they mean by easily digestible is something we would call pop music,
Starting point is 05:45:01 something that any person can read and absorb. And they knew then, the Jews today know now, that the control over music and which is really just poetry and the culture in general is absolutely essential for any revolutionary government to work. to be justified. Now, I have not seen or I've heard these songs, or if I did, it was a long time ago.
Starting point is 05:45:44 The song with March of the Mary Lads, I have no idea. I'm sure they were quite forgettable. But the point was that they could be absorbed by the average person. They don't need symphonies because symphonies are a product of alienation. You know, why do we need these very complicated things that the average person can't comprehend? They are complicated. It's true. So pop music was born in this Stalinist era.
Starting point is 05:46:19 Matt V. Blatner and the brothers Danil and Dimitri Pocross were famous for their complacent hit song, If War Strikes Tomorrow. Quote, we will instantly crush the enemy, end quote. And for their earlier hit, the Buryoni March, there were many other famous Jewish songwriters and composers in the 1930s and later. Feltzman, Sedoi, Frankl, Tannich, Safferan, Frankl, Schainsky, etc. I'm old God. They enjoyed copy numbers in the millions, fame, royalties. They got royalties? Come on, who dares to name those celebrities among the oppressed?
Starting point is 05:47:01 and after all, alongside the skillfully written songs, how much blaring Soviet propaganda did they churn out, confusing, brainwashing, and deceiving the public and crippled good taste and feelings? Yeah, what can I add to that possibly? You know, royalties. Royalties imply private property. I guess when it glorifies Stalin is a different story.
Starting point is 05:47:30 What about movie and? The modern Israeli Jewish encyclopedia states that in the 1930s the main role of movies was to glorify the success of socialism, a movie's entertainment value, was minimal. Numerous Jewish filmmakers participated in the development of standards of a unified and open ideological film industry, conservative in form, and obsessively didactic. Many of them were already listed in the previous chapter, take, for example, Verthoff Symphony of the Donbass, 1931, released immediately after the industrial, party trial. Here are a few of the then-selebrated names, Ermler, the coming, the great citizen, Virginie, Yetkovic, I mean, all this crap.
Starting point is 05:48:13 Yeah. Obviously, filmmakers were not persecuted in the 1930s, though many cinematography, production, and film distribution managers were arrested. Two high-ranking bosses of the central management of the sentiment industry, Shumyatsky and Dukkelski
Starting point is 05:48:29 were even shot. Well, they probably didn't put any of Stalin speeches to music or to cinema. But this is, you know, it was Jewish to the core. So you can't talk to me about any persecution here. This is, you know, how can you possibly have a, I always always laughed at Soviet slogans. You know, we're going to, we're going to surpass the Western. the production of butter. This was supposed to motivate people.
Starting point is 05:49:08 You know, everything was based entirely around production. And what the Soviet Union could produce versus the West. And that's the only thing that they cared about. Simple production methods. And therefore our system was superior. That's how all of this stuff came to be. the miners, all of this stuff. The miners, I have come across.
Starting point is 05:49:41 And it has nothing to do with what they're better treated or anything else. It's just that they produce more. And it's not any kind of a nationalist kind of a way. There's nothing like this. Symphony of the Dombas, well, it's not much of a symphony, you know. And those shot were like. those who didn't go along. It's interesting that they ran the movie industry in Russia.
Starting point is 05:50:18 Oh, yeah, no, I'm shocked. The propaganda, to propagandize people. I'm, I think I'm past the shock phase. I'm just at the, I'm just at the tired stage. Yeah, well, it doesn't take a lot of work. It's just a matter of manipulating those who have talent. They don't have talent, but they can manipulate those who do have talent. In the 1930s, Jews clearly comprised a majority among filmmakers.
Starting point is 05:50:49 So who was really the victim? To see viewers whose souls were steamrolled with lies and rude didactics, or the filmmakers who forged documentaries, biographies, and produced pseudo-historical and essentially unimportant propaganda films characterized by phony monumentality and the inner emptiness. The Jewish Encyclopedia adds sternly, quote, huge numbers of Jewish operators and directors were engaged in making popular science, educational, and documentary films in the most official sphere of the Soviet cinematography,
Starting point is 05:51:21 where adroit editing helped to produce a genuine documentary out of a fraud. For example, R. Carmen did it regularly without scruples, end quote. He was a glorified Soviet. director produced for many documentaries about the civil war in Spain and the Nuremberg trials. He made the anniversary glorifying film The Great Patriotic War, Vietnam, and a film about Cuba. He was a recipient of three USSR state prizes, the Stalin Prize and the Lenin Prize. He held the titles of the people's artists of the USSR and the hero of the socialist labor. Let's not forget filmmaker Conrad Wolfe, the brother of the famous Soviets by Marcus Wolfe.
Starting point is 05:52:01 No, the official Soviet atmosphere of 1930s was absolutely free of ill-will towards Jews. Let me repeat that sentence. No, the official Soviet atmosphere of the 1930s was absolutely free of ill-will toward Jews. And until the war, the overwhelming majority of Soviet jury sympathized with the Soviet ideology and sided with the Soviet regime. quote, there was no Jewish question indeed in the USSR before the war or almost none. Then the open anti-Semites were not yet in charge of newspapers and journals. They did not control personnel departments.
Starting point is 05:52:44 Quite the opposite. Many such positions were occupied by Jews. Which tends to contradict what, you know, has been said before. And, you know, what we said, yes, the last time, the time before. And as Hitler began to grow in power and success, the Soviet Union was seen as the homeland. That was the promised land, whether you were a Zionist or not. And you can't, you can never overestimate what Hitler did relative to the Jewish mind,
Starting point is 05:53:25 even if there was no so-called, you know, but the fact that he was successful. He was actually doing what these songs and movies promised. And that was the worst part of it. But to watch these movies or listen to these songs is to be in pain the entire time. It's so over the top with the propaganda that no normal person could pull.
Starting point is 05:54:03 possibly, you know, believe it. And I don't believe anyone did at the time. I think it either just made people feel better or, you know, and there really wasn't much that they can do about it. But, you know, you know, I've watched a lot of these things, heard a lot of these things. The propaganda was blatantly over the top, you know, all superlatives all the way through.
Starting point is 05:54:33 So, you know, it's just, it's what you would expect. I mean, they were never able to do that in the U.S. because they had to build a market. They had to appeal to people. But they didn't have to appeal to anyone here. They had to appeal to one person. Sure, the Soviet culture consisted of Soviet patriotism, i.e. of producing art in accordance with directives from above.
Starting point is 05:54:58 Unfortunately, many Jews were engaged in the pseudo-cultural sphere, and some of them even rose to supervise the Russian language culture. In the early 1930s, we see BM Volanfratgen at the head of the main administration for literary and publishing affairs. Glavelet, the organ of official censorship directing the development of the culture. Many of the Glavelte personnel were Jewish. For example, in Glavelet from 1932 to 1941, we see A.I. Bendik, who would become the director of the book palace during the war.
Starting point is 05:55:32 Emma Kaganova, the spouse of Czechist Pavel Sudaplatov, was trusted to manage the activities of informants among the Ukrainian intelligentsia. After private publishers were abolished, a significant contribution to the organization and management of Soviet government publishers was made by Alianzky, Wolfson, Ianov, whose name was Bernstein, Katorovich, Malkin, Berra. Feldman and many others. Soon, all book publishing was centralized in the state publishing house, and there was no other place for an author to get his work published. Yeah, and I think Shelton Eaton felt that pretty badly at the time. But, you know, again, they didn't have to worry about a market. They'd worry about appealing to one person or one very small group of people.
Starting point is 05:56:27 That's all that mattered. they were reforming the language, which is the Russian language that we use today, to a great extent, Mounted the same thing with the Chinese characters, try to simplify them as much as possible, and I hate to say it. It made my life much easier.
Starting point is 05:56:48 I can't read the older orthography and stuff like that. But I like this. To manage the informants among, cranium intelligentsia, meaning people who were writing. Intelligency just means people who were writing, you know, poetry or scholarship or anything else. This was just, yeah, remember, this was all state funded. This is all under state control.
Starting point is 05:57:18 And there's no way you could do anything else. As the last phrase says, you couldn't go anywhere else to get your work published. So Sultan Ethan says in a whole bunch of his other works. these people who will just completely edit themselves and censor themselves just to appeal to these people, how disgusting they are to him, that they'll do anything to conform to this group of people without even questioning it. And every last one was a Jew. The Jewish presence was also apparent in all breaches of the printed propaganda, works of the clumsy caricaturist Boris E.
Starting point is 05:58:00 could be found in the press every day. He produced extremely filthy images of Western leaders. For instance, he had portrayed Nicholas II in a crown carrying a rifle, trampling corpses. Every two to three days, sketches of other dirty satirist like Ricklin, the piercingly caustic, Zislavski, the adroit raddick, the persistent shinen, and the Brothers tour appeared in press. A future writer Kassel wrote essays for his Izvestia. There were many others, Carmen, Tess Rapaport, Cherna, that's a stolen Russian name. Kanzarovic, Perilman. These names I found in Izvestia only, and there were two dozen more major newspapers feeding the public with blatant lies. In addition, there existed a whole sea of ignoble mass
Starting point is 05:58:53 propaganda brochures saturated with lies. When they urgently needed a mass propaganda brochure devoted to the Industrial Party trial, such things were in acute demand that for all of the 1930s, one B. Isaacson knocked it out under the title, Crushed a Viper of Intervention. Diplomat E. Nadin, the son of Parvus, wrote lying articles about the incurable wounds of Europe and the imminent death of the West. He also wrote a rebuttal article, Socialist Labor in the forests of the Soviet North, in response to Western slanders, about the allegedly forced labor of camp inmates felling timber. When in the 1950s, Nathan returned from a camp after a long term, though it appears not having
Starting point is 05:59:40 experienced tree felling himself, he was accepted as a venerable sufferer, and no one reminded him of his lives in the past. Yeah, of course, they weren't doing any of this themselves. They weren't producing anything. You had a handful of writers. These were people who manipulate the writers. That was the important thing. but I guess the concept was that the generation that came of age under Nicholas II
Starting point is 06:00:08 was solely dying off and this was a new generation now in the 30s, late 30s. And if they didn't know any better, if they were totally cut off through censorship for any reality, then they would actually believe this stuff. I think it's the case with the U.S. today. Stuff, you know, my lord, I mean, stuff, every generation seems to be propagandized in a different way by the same group of people. But Nicholas II was a very popular figure. But they're going to deny that, of course, now, because there weren't a whole lot of people around who remembered that. Or who cared about that or who, you know, because anyone supporting him would be long gone.
Starting point is 06:01:00 And the only thing that you had was the exiles in the U.S., in a few other places, Paris, keeping his name alive, Nicholas II's name alive, and the church's name alive. And, of course, the underground groups, the true Orthodox Church of Russia, which they, which was actually far larger than anyone ever realized. But you're risking so much to go underground. If you get caught, you're going to suffer tremendously. And you will go, you know, fell trees in the far north, whether you like it or not. Or worse than that.
Starting point is 06:01:47 And it's funny, yeah, he accepted the venerable suffer without, you know, of course he never was. I like all this stuff. This is exactly what we're talking about here. the crust of viper of intervention, you know, and talking about the death of the West. Well, of course, we talk about that now, but the context couldn't be any more different. They're talking about the death of the, you know, Christian West.
Starting point is 06:02:21 In terms of religion and, of course, you know, capitalism, which had no, you know, it's totally different than it is today. But all they focus entirely. They were obsessed. It's almost like without the Western world, they wouldn't have anything to talk about. They had to focus entirely on how they compared to the Western world. They denied that there was any underground movement.
Starting point is 06:02:50 Of course, they were lying. I don't know how, even some of these guys were caught. It's true. And they suffered tremendously as a result of being caught. but there were millions of them and they have come up from underground roughly in 1990 in 91
Starting point is 06:03:10 and boy they were far larger than we ever realized and you know of course typical to them there's fought the minute they came up from underground but yeah the death of the West is imminent but for a very different set of reasons than what they meant at the time
Starting point is 06:03:30 In 1929 through 31, Russian historical science was destroyed. The Archaeological Commission, the Northern Commission, Pushkin House, the Library of the Academy of Science, where all abolished, traditions were smashed, and prominent Russian historians were sent to rotten camps. How much did we hear about that destruction? Third and fourth-rate Russian historians then surged into occupy the vacant posts and brainwash us for the next half a century. sure quite a few Russian slackers made their careers then but Jewish ones did not miss their chance there's no doubt that the same thing is happening now the people who are being promoted in academia are second-rate historians their second-rate because they're willing to go along with an agenda
Starting point is 06:04:20 and simply follow along this almost like a a template of writing and researching and each generation they don't even realize there was anything before. Those who are getting their PhDs now, I don't think even realize that there is censorship in the West. Their point of view is the truth. Anything else is just some kind of a psychological anomaly. And he talked about the same thing here.
Starting point is 06:04:57 It's the same. This is just simply being reproduced. and but serious historians, of course, were being sent to rotten as true. And nothing has changed. Wherever the Jews were involved, nothing has changed. Already in the 1930s, Jews played a prominent role in Soviet science, especially in the most important and technologically demanding frontiers, and their role was bound to become even more important in the future.
Starting point is 06:05:24 Quote, by the end of the 1920s, Jews comprised 13.6% of all scientists in the country. By 1937, their share increased to 17.6%. In 1939, there were more than 15,000 or 15.7% Jewish scientists and lecturers in the institutions of higher learning, end quote. In physics, member of the Academy A. Iofa nurtured a highly successful school. As early as 1918, he founded the Physical Technical Institute in Petrograd. Later, 15 affiliated scientific centers were created. They were headed by Iov's disciples. His former students worked in many other institutes in many ways determining the scientific
Starting point is 06:06:11 and technological potential of the Soviet Union. However, repressions did not bypass them. In 1938, in the Karkoff Physics Technological Institute, six out of the eight heads of department were arrested. Weisberg, Gorski, Landau, Lepunschi, Obermov, Shubna, Shubnikov and a seventh Rumen was exiled. Only Slutski remained. The name of Semyon Ayiskovich, the constructor of Levokin fighter aircraft, was long unknown to the public. Names of many other personalities and military industry were kept secret as well. Even now, we did not
Starting point is 06:06:51 know all of them. For instance, M. Scrood oversaw development of powerful radio stations, yet they were surely others whom we do not know working on the development of no less powerful jammers. Yeah, we know now. At the time he wrote this, it was what was, this came out in 2003, something like that. It was very difficult. The old archives were deliberately either destroyed or, you mislabeled or something like that to keep people from understanding it. You know, these people weren't arrested as Jews.
Starting point is 06:07:37 They were arrested for other reasons. And I don't know what arrested means. They come right back again after a while? I don't know. So, you know, this is, you know, it wasn't an anti-Semitic movement. Stalin was not an anti-Semite. We've already proven that. We know that.
Starting point is 06:08:00 but the fact that there are Jews everywhere in the Soviet apparatus means that it looks like he is, and that's the key issue. Numerous Jewish names in technology science and its applications prove that the flower of several Jewish generations went into these fields. Flipping through the pages of biographical tomes of the Russian Jewish Encyclopedia, which only lists the Jews who were born or lived in Russia, we see an abundance of successful and gifted people with real accomplishments, which also means the absence of obstacles to career entry and advancement in general. Of course, scientists had to pay political tribute, too. Take, for example, the first national conference for the planning of science in 1931.
Starting point is 06:08:49 Accom addition, Ioff stated that modern capitalism is no longer capable of a technological revolution. It is only possible as a result of a social revolution. which has transformed the once barbaric and backward Russia into the socialist union of republics. He praised the leadership of the proletariat in science and said that science can be free only under Soviet stewardship. Militin philosopher E.Y.A. Coleman, one of the main ideologists of the Soviet sciences in 1930s, he fulminated against the Moscow School of Mathematics, asserted that we should introduce labor discipline in the science. Adopt collective models, socialist competition, and shock labor methods. He said that science advances thanks to the proletarian dictatorship and that each scientist should study Lenin's materialism and empirico-criticism.
Starting point is 06:09:47 Akamian A.G. Goldman, Ukraine, enthusiastically chimed in, quote, The Academy now became the leading force in the struggle for the Marxist dialectic in science. Again, that's one thing that makes the U.S. and the U.S.S. are different. They were very similar in a lot of ways. And I've written on that a hundred times. But because there has to be some kind of, I don't want to say a market, but people have to actually want to buy this stuff or read the stuff. Unless you're an academic, of course, then of course it doesn't matter.
Starting point is 06:10:26 You don't only read that stuff unless someone makes you. And I love how they say the backward and barbaric Russia. In other words, Guillaume, the subhuman Russians, were eliminated, and now we have come in and taken over and have created a new way of thinking. That's something that, again, it says more than the speaker thought he was saying. The Jewish Encyclopedia summarizes, quote, Quote, at the end of the 1930s, the role of the Jews in the various spheres of the Soviet life reached its apogee for the entire history of the Soviet regime. End quote.
Starting point is 06:11:15 According to the 1939 science, 40% of all economically active Jews were state employees. Around 364,000 were categorized among the intelligentsia. Of them, 106,000 were engineers or technologists, representing 14% of all professions. of this category nationwide. 139,000 were managers at various levels, 7% of all administrators in the USSR, 39,000 doctors, or slightly less than 27% of all doctors, 38,000 teachers or more than 3% of all teachers, more than 6,500 writers, journalists, and editors, more than 5,000 actors and filmmakers, more than 6,000 musicians, a little less than 3,000 artists and scholars, and scholars,
Starting point is 06:12:04 and more than 5,000 lawyers. I don't understand everything in the Soviet Union then. Everything then was under, you were always a state employee. Economically active Jews, 40% were state employees. No, they all were. There was no private property. There was no alternative to that. everyone was a state employee, so to speak.
Starting point is 06:12:35 So I'm not sure he's talking about the Jewish Encyclopedia, trying to make it seem better than it was, but it's just not true. Everyone in the USSR had to be a state employee or you went underground. Very simple. I'm going to do this last little paragraph here, and then it changes subject hard. So I think we should probably maybe make this a short one, consider. during, you're tired and I'm, I don't know what I am today. Is that okay with you?
Starting point is 06:13:12 Yeah, that's fine. Okay. In the opinion of the encyclopedia, this is the Jewish encyclopedia, I think Jewish Russian Encyclopedia, such impressive representation by a national minority, even in the context of official internationalism and brotherhood of the peoples of the USSR, created the prerequisites for the backlash by the state. you know, we can't, we can't assume that every single Jew with any kind of talent scientifically or otherwise was an evil person.
Starting point is 06:13:46 You know, when I was getting fired from Mount St. Mary's, it was, the only one who defended me was a Jew, who looked like Santa Claus. And so, you know, there's always going to be, people who are tired of this, who are tired of being told what to do. It's like American teachers today in the public school system
Starting point is 06:14:14 who are given an agenda. Here's what you teach. Day one, day two, day three, day four. What's the point of being a teacher then? If every second of the day is going to be is federally mandated. Who would want to do any of this stuff?
Starting point is 06:14:34 and it only really it only rewarded mediocrities because if you were truly brilliant you wouldn't want to be put on like this you don't want to be dealt with like this you know so they were either independent
Starting point is 06:14:56 or they left the country or whatever was but they certainly couldn't be a state employee for the very same reason but it still was, especially in Germany, a settler grew in strength. It was, the Soviet Union was the homeland. This was the place that's going to protect us. And certainly, right into the 1950s, even after the establishment of Israel. All right.
Starting point is 06:15:36 Let's cut it right there and we'll come back on a couple of days and take a real. It looks like we're going to go into direct, Stalin's direct, I always say conspiracy, but allying and of Jewish leaders of the Communist Party and how they dealt with each other. And I think that should look. And we even have mentioned Hitler here. So we're getting to the good stuff. It's a totally different topic. You know, this was just, this was very specific.
Starting point is 06:16:12 But this is what's coming on next time. It's going to be very, very different. Yeah. All right. Once again, always, I encourage you. Go over to the show notes. Go over to the description in the videos. Support Dr. Johnson's work.
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Starting point is 06:17:04 All right. Well, we'll pick this up in a couple of days. We're going to get into some real good stuff here. Thank you. All right, my friend. I want to welcome everyone back to our reading of 200 years together by Alexander Solzhenison. This is episode 98. Dr. Johnson, how are you doing today? Physically, I'm getting better, slowly but surely. Nowhere near, you know, hospital level. But it's been a lot of a rough couple of months. But on the positive side, my lighting has changed, as you may have noticed, although it is pretty much dark here in western Pennsylvania. It is very cloudy. But for all the breed of cats, my wife bought me a T-shirt with the breed on it.
Starting point is 06:18:04 So this one's the orange cat. Of course, in reference to Stanley, who is, as always, is next to me, well, sleeping. But I have a six-month-old, as you know, Maine Coon, that takes up two chairs now at the kitchen table. No one's going to rob my house. I can give away everything else I possess. No one's going to rob that house, not with this monster. her grandfather was a monster and I think she can be just like him and she has no clue. She's only six months old and she is just enormous.
Starting point is 06:18:46 That's incredible. Yeah. Purebred Mancunz are just forces of nature. 100%. All right. We're going to start getting into some Stalin here. During his political career, Stalin often allied with Jewish leaders of the Communist Party. and relied on many Jewish backbenchers.
Starting point is 06:19:09 By the mid-1930s, he saw in the example of Hitler all the disadvantages of being self-declared enemy of the Jews. Yet he likely harbored hostility toward them. His daughter's memoirs support this, though even his closest circle was probably unaware of it. However, struggling against the Trotskyites, he, of course, realized this aspect as well. his need to further get rid of the Jewish influence in the party.
Starting point is 06:19:37 And sensing the war, he perhaps was also grasping that proletarian internationalism alone would not be sufficient and that the notion of the homeland and even the capital H homeland would be much needed. Yeah, this, that first paragraph, first of all, now we're on to Stalin. And there's so much to unpack here. I'm not going to be able to do it in a show like this. By backbenchers, they're referring to minor figures. Usually backbenchers, it meant fairly new members of parliament in the British Parliament
Starting point is 06:20:16 or even from minor constituencies. Here, it's kind of just low levels of the bureaucracy. And the next sentence, there's a lot of disadvantages of being a self-declared enemy of the Jew. he held he harbored hostility towards him everyone who isn't brainwashed which at the time was everybody you don't you don't like them no one really likes them you do business with them you know but at that point you know that's simply you know his hostility however was not a violent one his daughter, of course, was very Jewish herself and her married one. And if his closest circle was unaware of it, it couldn't be that matter, that intensive of matter.
Starting point is 06:21:14 So, but then it gets into the biggest problem with the left, the left's refusal, utter refusal. or talk about the ethnic facts, the ethnic elements of life, ethnic racial, whatever. What's going to hold society together? You have to have something. You know, the religious element is extremely important. That's where society comes from. I see the culture comes from the cult, as Russell Kirk used to say. And you can't just say this is a worker's paradise, everyone who wasn't,
Starting point is 06:21:51 and say that's sufficient to deal with the Germany that now has that that that rose up from almost sure destruction um stressing the nature of german culture including german religion whether it be Catholic or or or Lutheran and um and of course from the orthodox point of view the russian orthodox church broad had a huge presence there. They supported Hitler at this point. I did a paper on that. After the war, they were a little worried. But
Starting point is 06:22:33 Hitler rebuilt the cathedral in Berlin out of his own money, out of his own personal funds. He never disliked Russians or thought that Russians were inferior. Never thought that. That comes from nonsense, like the table talks and all that. No,
Starting point is 06:22:51 no, they were Europeans like anyone else, but he despised what was ruling them at the time. Politarian internationalism, by definition, can't motivate anybody. Homeland and capital H homeland, well, now that means we're talking about ethnicity. And I think maybe in the back of his mind, maybe. Sultan Eastern is also talking about the Jewish. Jews, of all people, know that this is true. that their ethnic culture is, that's what holds them together. They couldn't do anything.
Starting point is 06:23:33 We talk about them all the time. They couldn't do any of that without that ethnic culture at all. It's admirable, as Sven Longshank always has said, and it is. The capital H is a heavier conception, you know, race, religious, whatever. and although it was very weak in Stalin's case, we cannot exaggerate it. It was only, you know, in the war, you know, the Stalin was playing the Western powers very well. I don't want anyone to believe that, you know, Hitler was unprepared for any battle. I got in 1940, German bombers were bombing Berlin.
Starting point is 06:24:18 he didn't have a heavy tank. He didn't have a long range bomber. German bombers were bombing Berlin. That's what you said. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, British bombers after the Battle of Britain. I apologize for that. Yeah, correct me, please. British bombers were bombing Berlin in 1940.
Starting point is 06:24:42 You know, the advance on Poland eventually stopped because they ran out of fuel. you know, this was, the rebuilding of Germany was not based on the military element. And what was, was often done in the Soviet Union. Stalin loved the idea of the Western powers going to war, somehow using Germany in that mix, and then moving in and taking over the entire continent. The Icebreaker thesis, which is at this point, undoubtable.
Starting point is 06:25:16 I don't know how anyone could argue against it anymore. but more importantly in our case, totalitarian internationalism is not something, no one's going to die for that. No one's going to die for a trial by jury. No one's going to die for an abstraction like that. We need to die for family, hearth, and home. That's only found in true nationalism.
Starting point is 06:25:43 S. Schwartz lamented about anti-revolutionary transformation of the party as the unprecedented purge of the ruling party, the virtual destruction of the old party, and the establishment of a new communist party under the same name in its place, new in social composition and ideology. From 1937, he also noted a gradual displacement of Jews from the positions of power in all spheres of public life. Among the old Bolsheviks who were involved in the activity before the party came to power, and especially among those with the pre-revolutionary involvement, the percentage of Jews was noticeably higher than in the party on average,
Starting point is 06:26:23 in younger generations, the Jewish representation became even smaller. As a result of the purge, almost all important Jewish communists left the scene. Lazare Kaganovich was the exception. Still in 1939, after all the massacres, the faithful communist Zemyalka was made the deputy head of Soviet of people's commissars, and S. Drizzo Lozowski was assigned the position of deputy to the narcoma of foreign affairs, and yet in the wider picture, Schwartz's observations are reasonable, as was demonstrated above. Well, I do challenge Schwartz all the time, although, you know, he does have the advantage of
Starting point is 06:27:07 actually being there. He was at the revolution. But he is an absolute fanatical Jewish nationalist, and anything that suited to Jewish interests he supported. But the ideology did not change. The only time ideology may have changed slightly is when in 1944
Starting point is 06:27:33 where Stalin realized he needed to use some old Russian nationalism to motivate the population that does not make him a nationalization. That does not make him a national list. He certainly was not. He turned on all of them the minute the war was over, creating his own church in 43-44. That does not mean he was Orthodox. He turned on them the minute the war was over. And they were in a pathetic position. So it's reasonable to one
Starting point is 06:28:06 extent. But Sultan I also said that he relied on backbenchers. In other words, people who were less well-known Jews who are less well-known in the far reaches of the now, you know, well-established apparatus, not just the party apparatus, but the state apparatus. S. Schwartz adds that in the second half of the 1930s, Jews were gradually barred from entering institutions of higher learning, which were preparing specialists for foreign relations and foreign trade and were banned from military educational institutions. The famous defector from the USSR, I.S. Guzenko, shared rumors about a secret percentage quota on Jewish admissions to the institutions of higher learning, which was enforced from 1939. In the 1990s, they even wrote that Molotov,
Starting point is 06:29:03 taking over the people's commissariat of foreign affairs in the spring of 1939, publicly announced during the meeting with the personnel that he will deal with the synagogue here and that he began firing Jews on this very same day. Still, Litvinov was quite useful during the war in his role as Soviet ambassador to the U.S. They say that upon his departure from the U.S. in 1943, he even dared to pass a personal letter to Roosevelt suggesting that Stalin had unleashed an anti-Semitic campaign in the USSR. Yeah, there's quite a bit of secret quotas. Well, no, if he was the way that Solomon Swartz says he is, it wouldn't be secret.
Starting point is 06:29:45 Stalin's rule was in no danger at the time, especially since he was building up a military, which I think at this point, where are we, 36, I guess, 37, had reached well over 4 million. There were no formal restrictions here. Solomon Swartz was what S. Swartz we've dealt with him before. Solomon Swartz, of course, is known for exaggeration even more than, you know, normal for his people.
Starting point is 06:30:21 And yes, there were plenty of Jews in the military educational institutions, but it was not their big thing. Why would there be a quota in higher education? We know why there was in the Tsarist era. But why would that matter?
Starting point is 06:30:39 Unless, you know, that wouldn't make any difference to Stalin. So, and in fact, it was secret and it was only a rumor. Okay, well, if that's as good as you can do, then this is just a matter of speculation. By the mid-1930s, the sympathy of European Jewry toward the USSR had further increased. Trotsy explained it. What? He knows what he, Sultaniza knows what he's doing when he's writing these words.
Starting point is 06:31:15 You know, he does. He knows. Okay, go ahead. Trotsky explained it in 1937 on his way to Mexico. The Jewish intelligentsia turns to the common turn, not because they are interested in Marxism or communism, but in search of support against aggressive German anti-Semitism. It was this same common turn that approved the Molotov-Ribbentrop pack
Starting point is 06:31:39 the pact that dealt a mortal blow to East European Jewry. Yeah. Again, Jews are known for their penchant for exaggeration. You got to remember and what Trotsky is getting at
Starting point is 06:32:05 is partially true. It's that given the rise of Adolf Hitler, Stalin didn't have to do, could be he didn't have to do much to be the favorite of of Jews throughout the world. And of course he was, not the U.S. It was the USSR. Jewish parties in Europe did not see Stalin as anti-Judaic or purging Jews as a race, as a specific group of people.
Starting point is 06:32:41 but and Trotky will then bring up the issue now for the rest of his life which he you know he wouldn't have if he you know if he didn't if he didn't get expelled so Jewish intelligentsia yeah well you know some of them are I mean many of them are interested in Marxism or communism I don't think I don't think Trotsky was interested in Marxism or communism I have a lot of proof of that but it served Jewish interests, especially in this period of time where Hitler was not just rising, but he was being elected. He was making all other parties irrelevant.
Starting point is 06:33:29 He was the only one that was going to, that was spitting at the Treaty of Versailles. He was the only one who was saying what was happening. And the Western world, of course, was extremely angry at him. He was not financed by Western corporations, as the myth goes. They were the ones at this point screaming for war against him. So, and it was difficult, though, for Jews and other, and throughout Europe and, you know, North America to go along with, to, to go along with, with, on uncertain things.
Starting point is 06:34:18 Well, we'll get to that in a little bit, but he did anything but unleashed an anti-Semitic campaign in USSR. I'm getting ahead of myself here. In September 1939, hundreds of thousands of Polish Jews fled from the advancing German armies, fleeing further and further east and trying to head for the territory occupied by the Red Army. For the first two months, they succeeded because of the favorable attitude of Soviet. authorities. The Germans quite often encouraged this flight, but at the end of November, the
Starting point is 06:34:51 Soviet government closed the border. The Red Army. You know how long it takes for even a history grad student and professor to realize that Red Army is even involved in this period of time? You know, the Red Army invaded Poland just a week, I think, maybe 10 days after the Germans, never gets mentioned, never gets talked about. Stalin invaded, neutral countries like the Baltics, doesn't get mentioned. You know, and this is, I think the Jewish power has a lot to do with this. What he means by close the border, I'm not sure. But it was certainly in his interest to have plenty of anti-German Jews on his side, and he did.
Starting point is 06:35:42 And as Hitler rose into power, his enemies, again, they didn't run to the U.S. where there was a substantial community there. They ran to the USSR, as if to prove Hitler right. In different areas of the front, things took shape differently. In some areas, the Soviets would not admit Jewish refugees at all. In other places, they were welcome, but later sometimes sent back to the Germans. Overall, it is believed that around 300,000 Jews managed to migrate from the Western, to the eastern, from western to eastern Poland in the first months of the war, and later the Soviets
Starting point is 06:36:19 evacuated them deeper into the USSR. They demanded that Polish Jews register as Soviet citizens, but many of them did not rush to accept Soviet citizenship. After all, they thought the war would be soon be over, and they would return home or go to America or to Palestine. Yet in the eyes of the Soviet regime, they thereby immediately fell into the category of suspected of espionage, especially if they tried to correspond with relatives in Poland. Still, we read in the Chicago Sentinel that the Soviet Union gave refuge to 90% of all European Jewish refugees fleeing from Hitler. So Trotsky, again, was full of it. They didn't close the border. And that's why I was going to get to when I stopped myself, I was getting ahead of myself. It just, he didn't close the border.
Starting point is 06:37:08 It wasn't his interest to allow these people in in large numbers. Now, suspected of espionage. Now, this is something of personal interest of Sultanizan because anyone who was captured and spent any time in a POW camp was by definition suspected of espionage when they came back. They weren't subject to their brainwashing consistently. Therefore, they were a threat. even though these were these people were completely innocent.
Starting point is 06:37:43 Even military men, he was an artillery officer, brought under a sent to the Gulag because he had been a BNW. Germans captured, what, three and a half million Soviet soldiers in a couple of months in Operation Barbarossa, which of course wouldn't make any sense. unless they, you know, this was the invasion force. So, but now, I don't know, the Chicago Sentinel may not be the best authority. But, yeah, it would make sense for anyone running the USSR at the time to give reshutes to European Jews because they were, you know, they hated Hitler and they could be used against them for that reason. According to the January 1939 census, 3,020,000 Jews lived in the USSR.
Starting point is 06:38:44 Now, after occupation of the Baltics, annexation of a part of Poland and taking in Jewish refugees, approximately 2 million more Jews were added, giving a total of around 5 million. Before 1939, the Jews were the 7th largest people in the USSR number-wise. Now, after annexation of all Western areas, they became the fourth largest people. of the USSR, after the three Slavic peoples, Russian, Ukrainian, and Belarusian. The mutual non-aggression pact of August 23rd, 1939, between the Third Reich and the Soviet Union evoked serious fear about the future of Soviet Jewry, though the policy of the Soviet Union toward its Jewish citizens was not changed. And although there were some reverse deportations, overall,
Starting point is 06:39:31 the legal status of Jewish population remained unchanged during the 20 months of the Soviet-German collaboration. And there was a big split in the left, the Communist Party between those following Moscow and those following Trotsky. And this was a big issue. You know, you're a Jewish member of the party. Sautil has a non-aggression pact with Hitler. You have to go along with it? You know, it's a problem. And so, and then, of course, they would go to the Trotsky Heights instead.
Starting point is 06:40:06 And then over a long period of time, their intellectual leaders became what we call the neocons today. But no one had any idea. They knew the war was coming. Someone absolutely knew the war was coming. The only entity that was ready for was the Soviet Union. Germany was not, contrary to all the mythology. And that was quite by design. You know, the splitting of Poland, but it was only Poland that caused the Western allies to declare war on Germany,
Starting point is 06:40:50 despite the fact that Stalin also invaded a third of the country. And then, at the end of the war, had no problem giving it to a situation. Stalin anyway. You know, it's just and, you know, Jews made out either way. And the non-aggression pact didn't last long, but Germany took advantage of it.
Starting point is 06:41:16 That's where a lot of their newer tanks were tested out. But by now, Versailles was a dead letter. Hitler had it was clear it was a dead letter now. But there were, Germany was no way ready for a war. There's only a couple of lines left in this chapter,
Starting point is 06:41:36 but the next chapter is only eight pages long. I think we should start the next chapter. How does that sound? Oh, I see. Yeah, yeah. Going through their footnotes. Okay. I've read a lot of this stuff.
Starting point is 06:41:56 Oh, Solomon Swartz. Yeah, we should talk about him. He was a piece of work. Here we go. Oh, boy. I forgot. Are you seeing the title? You see in the title?
Starting point is 06:42:10 Yeah. I'm seeing the title. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. Let's finish this chapter up here. Well,
Starting point is 06:42:21 what else? I thought you wanted just to go to the chapter 20. Oh, well, we have a couple lines left. And this next paragraph is a really good one. Is a really good one. Okay.
Starting point is 06:42:30 With this, with the start of war in Poland, Jewish sympathies, finally crystallized in Polish Jews, and the Jewish youth in particular, met the advancing Red Army with exulting enthusiasm. Thus, according to many testimonies, including Emmerzky's one, Polish Jews, like their co-ethnics in Bessarabia, Bukovina, and Lithuania, became the main pillar of the Soviet regime, supporting it tooth and nail. Yet how much did these East European Jews know about what was going on in the USSR?
Starting point is 06:43:01 are. They unerringly sensed that a catastrophe was rolling at them from Germany, though still not fully or clearly recognized, but undoubtedly a catastrophe. And so the Soviet welcome appeared to them to embody certain salvation. You know, and when Orthodox peasants welcomed the German army with all their horses and everything else they had, they're condemned. But we see the exact same thing happening with with young Jews. And, but, but I do love the line, all the disadvantages about being a public enemy or a self-declared enemy of, of, of the Jews. I remember William Pierce, not that I'm big, you know, I like him.
Starting point is 06:43:52 I'm not a big fan of, of a lot of things, but, but, you know, he just says, you know, people will do business with them. We have, people don't really like them, though. you know and of course that was many years ago you know I've had I've had Jewish friends who have no idea what I do
Starting point is 06:44:11 in the dark but they're generally unlikable unless they're totally assimilated so you know in which case their Jewish nature well they could always plug into their system at any time
Starting point is 06:44:30 they just don't need it right now and I do think they knew what was going on in the USSR. The Jews did an excellent job of communicating back in before. And, you know, it was Marxism. It was Stalinism, was Leninism. That was the target of Adolf Hitler, not Judaism as such. All right. Chapter 20 in the camps of the gulag.
Starting point is 06:45:00 If I haven't been there, it wouldn't be possible for me to compare. pose this chapter. Before the camps, I thought that no one should notice nationalities, that there are no nationalities, there is only one humankind. But when you are sent into the camp, you find it out. If you are a lucky nationality, then you are a fortunate man. You are provided for. You have survived. But if you are a common nationality, well then, no offense. Because nationality is perhaps the most important trait that gives a prisoner a chance to be picked into the life-saving core of idiots. You want me to read the translator's note here?
Starting point is 06:45:41 Yes, please. Yeah, translators note. This is from the Russian word translated to idiots, fool or idiot. This is an inmate slang term to denote other inmates who didn't do common labor, but managed to obtain positions with easy duties, usually pretending to be incapable of doing hard work because of poor health. Yeah. We know where this is going.
Starting point is 06:46:06 Oh, I know exactly where this is going. I remember the beginning of this book. Every experienced camp inmate can confirm that ethnic proportions among idiots were very different from those in the general camp population. Indeed, there were virtually no pribalts among idiots, regardless of their actual number in the camp, and there were many of them. There were also Russians, of course, but incomparably small. proportion than in the camp on average, and those were often selected from Orthodox members of the party.
Starting point is 06:46:41 On the other hand, some others were noticeably concentrated. Jews, Georgians, Armenians, and Azeris also ended there in higher proportions, and to some extent, Caucasian mountaineers also. Certainly none of them can be blamed for that. Every nation in the Gulag did its best crawling to survival, and the smaller and nimble it was, the easier it was to accomplish. And again, Georgians were the very last nation in their own Russian camps, like they were in German, I can't pronounce that. Yeah, I know. You know, the concept of an idiot in the way that Aristotle defined it was somebody who didn't need the rest of society, like Bigfoot, something like that, something like that, something that could survive without everybody else didn't necessarily mean that they were a moron, maybe on the contrary.
Starting point is 06:47:42 But here, you know, you had privileges. It's like, you know, in the German camps, Jews were normally the those who, you know, guarded the inmates. we get to that some other time and inmates have said this themselves but in American prisons their race comes out you know a white Hispanic and black and if you have a long prison stretch
Starting point is 06:48:18 you know you go to you don't separate from your race it's this one place for whatever for whatever reason the intense stress brings out the most fundamental element which seems to be racial. And that's how they survive. People condemn members of the Aryan Brotherhood. I said, well, what do you expect them to do?
Starting point is 06:48:45 Just be raped by everyone else? They have to form their own groups. This kind of organization based on language and appearance, race, this is how they function and survived. hence it is a normal and natural way to function. That German word, Kriegs-Kaffan-Loggers, means a prisoner of war. Prisoner of war camp. All right.
Starting point is 06:49:12 Yet it is not us who have blamed them, but it is they, Armenians, Georgians, Highlanders, who would have been in their right to ask us, why did you establish these camps? Why do you force us to live in your state? do not hold us and we will not land here and occupy these such attractive, idiotic positions. But while we are your prisoners, Al-A-Ger com de al-Ger. He is referring to the Gulag here. Yeah. Not, Gulags and POW are two different things.
Starting point is 06:49:48 You know, Armenians and Georgians always, you know, there were two ethnicities in the Soviet Empire that, that, I mean, relatively speaking, did fairly well. I mean, they always met their quota, sometimes exceeded it. There are very few Georgians outside of Georgia. This is probably the first time, you know, the draft brought them outside of their own borders. And, you know, you don't see a lot of Georgian Orthodox churches out there because they don't have much of a diaspora.
Starting point is 06:50:24 So, I don't know, you know, certainly, Shultzhenitsyn speaks from personal experience here. And not just personal experience, but emotional experience. That French term means, in war, anything goes. Yeah. But what about Jews? For fate interwove Russian and Jews, perhaps forever, which is why this book is being written. Before that, before this very line, there will be readers who have been in the camps and who haven't been, who will be quick to contest the truth in what I say here.
Starting point is 06:51:03 They will claim that many Jews were forced to take part in common labor activities. They will deny that there were camps where Jews were the majority among idiots. They will indignantly reject that nations in the camps were helping each other selectively and, therefore, at the expense of others. Some others will not consider themselves as distinct Jews at all, perceiving themselves as Russians and everything. Besides, even if there was overrepresentation of Jews on key camp positions, it was absolutely unpremeditated, wasn't it? The selection was exclusively based on merit and personal talents and abilities to do business. Well, who is to blame if Russians lack business talents?
Starting point is 06:51:49 Yes. Yeah, and that's been, that's come up many times in this book. Well, who's to blame? And so that means that Russians did all the work. Russians were just the one, there were the one ethnic group that really wasn't allowed to organize in the Soviet Union. everyone else had their own, you know, media and everything else. Not Russia. And Russia was the threat, Russian nationalism, was the threat to the Soviet leadership.
Starting point is 06:52:31 I know I've mentioned that many times, but it is a key factor of understanding all of this. There will also be those who will passionately assert directly opposite, that it was Jews who suffered worse than the camps. This is exactly how it is understood in the West. In Soviet camps, nobody suffered as badly as Jews. Among the letters from readers of Yvonne Denisovich, there was one from an anonymous Jew. Quote, you have met innocent Jews who languished in camps with you, and you obviously not at once witnessed their suffering and persecution. They endured double oppression, imprisonment and enmity from the rest of inmates. Tell us about these people.
Starting point is 06:53:11 You know, I mean, I have a book out on the Orthodox tradition in Russian literature. And this short novel, Ivan Denezovich is, I think it may be the first chapter. I was so long ago. And if I were to, for our listeners to start with Solzhenitsyn as a literary figure, that would be the first book. That in the House of the Dead. maybe the house of the dead first and then and then Ivan Deneosovic. But as far as the camps are concerned, that was his first offering in this regard. But Jews, you know, wherever they went, even if it was a small number, immediately organized and immediately took advantage of it.
Starting point is 06:54:01 This is why ethnic organized, you know, this is how human beings function. You know, we're not turtles. You know, we don't, you know, lay eggs and leave and all the, babies just run to the sea. No, we've formed communities. And these communities have to be based on something. And it's language, religion, and ethnicity, all mushing together to create the ethnos. Jews know that better than anyone in the world. The problem they have is that when other people start noticing that. And if I wish to generalize and state that the life of Jews in camps was especially difficult, then I would be allowed to do so and wouldn't be peppered with admonitions
Starting point is 06:54:46 for unjust ethnic generalizations. But in the camps where I was imprisoned, it was the other way around. The life of Jews, to the extent of possible generalization, was easier. Semin Badash, my campmate from Ekabab Basus, recounts in his memoirs how he had managed to settle later in a camp at Norilsk in the medical unit. Max Minz asked the radiologist Laszlo Newsbaum to solicit for Badash before a free head of the unit. He was accepted, but Badash at least finished three years of medical school before imprisonment. Compare that with other nurses, Gankin, Gorilich, like one of my pals, El Kopolev from Unslag, who never before in their lives had anything to do with medicine. Keep in mind that the camps weren't just, there was a strong element where it was just
Starting point is 06:55:47 forced labor in the snow. Yet that's true. But other camps in Solsternets and Easton's own writing and in truth, other camps were scientific institutes, actually within the Gulag. And this is where, you know, Jews can be sent if they had the, the, the requisite skills to do, you know, to produce things. It's shocking people don't realize that they have these these institutes, research institutes, right, within the Gulag system. Yeah, it's true. Tulsa Nijian writes about it at a great length. And, but maybe even if they didn't have that ability, they still could be brought there because they're a Jew. Some people absolutely seriously write like this. A.
Starting point is 06:56:42 Belenkov was thrown into the most despicable category of idiots. And I am tempted to inappropriately add and languishers here, though the languishers were the social antipods of idiots and Belenkov never was among the languishers. To be thrown into the group of idiots. What an expression. To be diminished by being accepted into the ranks of gentlemen. And here goes to justification.
Starting point is 06:57:09 To dig soil. but at the age of 23, he not only never did it, he never saw a shovel in his life. Well, then, he had no other choice but to become an idiot. That paragraph could summarize what we've done in this book so far in a certain way. People would misunderstand the word, the Greek idiotes, you know, someone separate. but you know I've mentioned before Jews always functioned as a mafia organization
Starting point is 06:57:48 even in the USSR and I think what he's getting at here is something along the lines of a no work job that the mafia at least on the East Coast specialized in any project that they had their hands in they could give their friends a job
Starting point is 06:58:08 with health insurance and everything else, and they didn't either have to show, or if they did show, they didn't have to work. And I think that's what languishers mean here. Or read what Levinson and Krasnoff wrote about one Pinsky, a literature expert, that he was a nurse in the camp, which means that he, on the camp scale, has adhered well. However, Levitton presents us as an example of the greatest humiliation possible for a professor of the humanities. Or it's prisoner who survived Lev Roskin, a journalist and not a medic at all, who was heavily published afterwards. But from his story in Agonik, 1988, we find that he used to be a medic in the camp's medical unit, and moreover, an unescorted medic. From other his stories, we can,
Starting point is 06:59:02 from other of his stories, we can figure out that he also worked as a senior controller at a horrible timber logging station. But there is not a single story from which we can conclude that he ever participated in common labor? Yeah, this is a little bit like stolen valor here, where these guys, once the, you know, once 1990 came, 91, 92, they made claims of camp suffering. Then, of course, they never had anything to do with.
Starting point is 06:59:40 Despite the fact, that even while reading it I don't think I've read Raskan myself although I I unescorted medic meaning that he is so he's trusted by the authorities
Starting point is 06:59:58 what the hell's he doing in the gulag then I think he'd pretty much do as he pleases but later on they'll write these stories of their own suffering and pain and and And that's why, you know, Soltonation was so important and why you had the Jewish avalanche against him starting in the 1980s. Or a story of Frank Decler, a Jew from far away Brazil. He was imprisoned and couldn't speak Russian, of course, and guess what?
Starting point is 07:00:29 He had Poland in the camp, and he had become a chief of the medical unit's kitchen, a truly magnificent treasure. Or Alexander Voronel, who was a... a political youngster when he landed in the camps, says that immediately after getting in the camp, he was readily assisted by other Jewish inmates who had not a slightest idea about my political views. A Jewish inmate responsible for running the bathhouse, a very important idiot as well, has spotted him instantly and ordered him to come if he needs any help. A Jew from prisoner security, also an idiot, told another Jew, a brigadier, there are two Jewish guys, Hakim, don't allow them to get in trouble, and the brigadier gave them strong protection.
Starting point is 07:01:14 Other thieves, especially elders, approved him. You are so right, Hakeem, you support your own kin, yet we Russians are like wolves to each other. Oh, yeah. If that doesn't resonate with our listeners, you know, the Jewish ability to organize and assist one another, despite, I know they could be very fractious and all that. but under these conditions, yet the Russians still there was no conception of that. And this is the reason why they did all the work. This is why Sultanese, and even after he got cancer,
Starting point is 07:01:52 can you imagine being in the gulag and having cancer? You know, he moved to Kazakhstan when that was discovered. But, you know, talk about suffering here. But you notice, you know, guards actual, you know, infantrymen or policemen what we would call COs. They didn't really exist unless there was a big problem, unless it was a riot or something like that. Now, this was all organized at the camp level.
Starting point is 07:02:26 And so that means that the most, the best organized group, whoever that might be, is going to be the best off. Well, we all know who that is. But it's not just Jews. It is also Armenians and Georgians. again fairly small although elite in my opinion ethnic groups
Starting point is 07:02:46 and I like the Brazilian one is funny because he didn't speak the language but he's still well he's one of us so he he's brought in and it doesn't have to do the work or he could just cook or something like that but it's clear that this is the one place
Starting point is 07:03:08 where Jewish organization and ethnic fanaticism, saved them. Yeah, there were plenty of Jews in the camps. For a whole bunch of different reasons, Zionists especially. But and
Starting point is 07:03:24 it was still being in a gulag wherever you were was, you know, there were gulags were all over the empire. They all had different purposes. I think by let's say the by Stalin's death in 1953
Starting point is 07:03:40 they comprised maybe 10 or 12% of the Soviet economy. Because you did have, as I mentioned, you did have fairly sophisticated production in certain places. It wasn't just banging rocks with a pick. But to the extent that there was this banging rocks with a pick, we know who's going to be doing it. It's going to be Russians doing it, with a Jew sitting there and not having to worry about it.
Starting point is 07:04:09 And let's not forget that even during camp imprisonment, by virtue of a common stereotype regarding all Jews as businessmen. Many of them were getting commercial offers, sometimes even when they didn't actively look for such enterprises. Take for instance, M. Hafez. He emphatically notes, quote, What a pity that I can't describe to you those camp situations. There are so many rich, beautiful stories.
Starting point is 07:04:36 However, the ethical code of the reliable Jews seals my mouth. You know, even the smallest commercial sales. secrets should be kept forever. That's the law of the tribe, end quote. I love when they do that. I love when they say that stuff out loud. You know, yeah, honesty. A. Let Ann Bernstein, one of my witnesses from archipelago, thinks that he managed to survive in the camps only because in times of hardship, he asked the Jews for help and that the Jews, judging by his last name and nimble men, minors mistook them for their tribesmen and always provided assistance. He says that in all his camps, Jews always constituted the upper crust and that the most important free employees were also Jews.
Starting point is 07:05:25 Schulman, head of special department, Greenberg, head of camp station, Kegels, the chief mechanic of the factory. And according to his recollections, they also preferred to select Jewish inmates to staff their units. Oh, I've been mistaken. I mean, many years ago, not anymore, when my New Jersey accent was much heavier. I was mistaken for a Jew many times. And, because I know enough of the, of the, of the lingo to get by. And it's been, yeah, yeah, I mean, I grew up in an Italian Jewish area. And I know exactly what's what he's talking about here. So even in the Gulag system, the Jewish organization is what saves. And that's the moral of the story so far here.
Starting point is 07:06:25 The only thing that could ever bring about justice or peace is ethnic organization. When I say ethnic, I'm also, you know, I'm referring to language and religious. it's really tough to not have the religion as a central element and that creates culture and that's the key that's the only way that's how human beings are designed and if it takes this extreme experience to bring that out or what they do in American prisons
Starting point is 07:07:09 where everything is based racially, at least in state prisons and federal prisons. It's, and sometimes, you don't really have to be Jewish. If you're perceived as such, you could still get the benefits. I couldn't keep it up. I couldn't keep doing that for long.
Starting point is 07:07:30 I'd always mess up somehow. But if my accent was heavier, like my late sister's was, I'd be able to do it all the time. I think that's a stopping point. We can pick up from there and finish that chapter on the next go-round. Yeah, you notice that there's a huge change in language and how he's talking. But all of a sudden, this isn't nearly, this is less academic and more personal.
Starting point is 07:08:03 More personal and is more emotional. He's still going to get in trouble for it. you got to remember when this came out and this electrified Russia and this came out around the time Putin started throwing the Jewish oligarchs in prison. That's when the
Starting point is 07:08:25 letter of the 3,000 came on, all that stuff. And you know, Jews are at 0.6% of the Jews right now in the Russian Federation. But this this shook Russia. This brought out, you know, when Putin came out and said, yeah, the Bolshek revolution was Jewish, he said that many times.
Starting point is 07:08:50 You know, it was, it was, you know, probably either coming from from this or from something like this. It's, so by 2002, three, four, Putin's policy started. And, of course, you know, Putin became immensely popular, you know, by throwing these people in prison, that they should be in prison, made them in exile instead. This popularity has never gone down since then for that very reason. And then the economy was able to take off as a result. Now, of course, I know this is a totally different story, but this book, what it did to Russia and how long did it take to show up in English?
Starting point is 07:09:39 I remember talking about it. It took years for even a couple of sentences to show up. I was the only one. I had a couple of my papers. I had three or four paragraphs that I had translated myself. But in terms of the entire book, it took a very long time. And we all know the reason for it. And you know what, to be honest with you? Maybe I have to, because of what I do full time,
Starting point is 07:10:14 I'm going to have to see what the official translation is going to be. But there's no getting out of this. There's no, unless they just completely mutilate the language. You know, the moral of the story is ethnic organization, there's no concept of supremacy necessarily. Bringing out the best traits of whatever group you're in, every ethnic group has different. traits and protecting that culture, that's the nature of justice, you know, in a very broad
Starting point is 07:10:54 sense. You know, and that's the moral of the story so far. That's why, you know, yeah, they had to do time, but their time wasn't nearly as awful as it would have been otherwise. And the Russians, because they were fighting each other all the time, they're the ones who did all the hard work and he suffered by far more than anybody else. All right. We'll pick it up and finish this chapter on the next go round. I encourage everyone to go to the show notes and go to the descriptions in the videos.
Starting point is 07:11:28 There I have linked the articles and I also have linked how you can support Dr. Johnson's work. Go ahead and do that. And also I have a link to his new books to go by that. That's another way of supporting him. So, yeah, that's it, Dr. Johnson. Glad you're feeling better and, you know, rest up and see you on the next go-round. Yes, my friend. Thank you very much.
Starting point is 07:11:51 I appreciate it. I want to welcome everyone back to our reading of 200 years together by Alexander Solzhenison. This is episode 99. Dr. Johnson, how are you doing today? Why would anyone go to a music festival? Like, you know, the big ones, like the six figures, like 250,000? 300,000 people? How, what, what is, what possible enjoyment is there in any of that?
Starting point is 07:12:19 It seems completely disgusting to me. It's that these are, these are people who, you know, want to lose themselves in a mass, lose their entire personality. I can't, I, it's, it's, the whole concept seems gross to me. They're always, most of them lose money. Toilets are always clogged up. I mean, I'm, I, I, I, What is the point of it? Music festivals are just absolute, you know,
Starting point is 07:12:48 absolutely disgusting things. They're real big ones anyway. That's what I've been thinking recently. How you doing? Doing good. You would think that it would have died with, it's dying with the boomers because for some reason, like people idolize Woodstock.
Starting point is 07:13:08 Like I think there were 250,000 people at Woodstock, but when they take polls like, more than 5 million people say they were there. But they lie, they lie about the fact that they were at a place that, I mean, just imagine the smell. Right, right.
Starting point is 07:13:25 And the mud and everything else and the bad drugs. And, and probably the only good thing about it was, um, was Carlos Santana. But otherwise it, well, and the who maybe.
Starting point is 07:13:40 Uh, and the good thing about that is that is that when Pete Townsend hit, Abby Hoffman over the head with his guitar. So that was kind of cool. That was anti-Semitism. A total. I thought who's all about. All right.
Starting point is 07:13:58 Moving on. We are talking, well, Solzhenitsyn is talking about the gulags and about the gulogs. And this is, without a doubt, his most personal chapter in this book. This particular Jewish national contract, between free bosses and inmates is impossible to overlook. A free Jew was not so stupid to actually see an enemy of the people or an evil character praying on the people's property in an imprisoned Jew, unlike what a dumbheaded Russian saw in another Russian.
Starting point is 07:14:35 He in the first place saw suffering tribesmen, and I praised them for the sobriety. Those who know about terrific Jewish mutual supportiveness, especially exacerbated by the mass deaths of Jews under Hitler, would understand that a free Jewish boss simply could not indifferently watch Jewish prisoners flounder in starvation and die and not help. But I am unable to imagine a free Russian employee who would save and promote his fellow Russian prisoners
Starting point is 07:15:04 to the privileged positions only because of their nationality. Though we have lost 15 million during collectivization, we are still numerous. You can't care about everyone and nobody would even think about it. Well, it's very much like white people in the West or especially in the U.S.
Starting point is 07:15:29 While other groups, blacks especially are very, racially motivated, whites have to be completely universal in their thinking. And they're the first ones to condemn each other if they dare think in racial terms. And I think at this point, the terror leads to suggestiveness.
Starting point is 07:15:55 This has been going on since World War I essentially. And Russians were falling into propaganda. And yet this goes to show just how powerful ethnic cohesiveness is. That's why this is a natural way of things. Ethnic cohesiveness is a barrier to propaganda. It's about self-sacrifice. That's what nationalism is. And you're seeing it here.
Starting point is 07:16:22 It's very enviable. You know, and when you see yourself as a member of a group with a very, almost like a family, with a similar experience and similar sufferings, real or imagined, you know, you tend to sacrifice for one another. other. And the gulag was run, not by Jews at the upper levels, but also just in as far as the camp itself was run. In the camps in the east that the Soviets liberated at the end of World War II, the Jews also were doing the same kind of thing. They were the police force. There weren't that many guards there. You know, the Germans couldn't spare
Starting point is 07:17:11 spare any a man. So yeah, I'm sure they prayed on one another on occasion, but not like the Russians did. It's no different than being white in America. We're the only ones who cannot think in racial or ethnic terms. Sometimes when such a team of Jewish inmates smoothly bands together and being no longer impeded by the ferocious struggle for survival, they can engage in extraordinary activities. An engineer named Abram Zisman tells us, quote, in Novo, angelesk camp, in our spare time, we decided to count how many Jewish pogroms occurred over the course of Russian history. We managed to excite the curiosity of our camp command on this question. They had a peaceful attitude towards us. the Nakhlag camp commander was Captain Gremann,
Starting point is 07:18:11 Anne Gershul, a Jew, son of a tailor from Joplin. He sent an inquiry to the archives of the former Interior Department requesting the necessary information, and after eight months we received an official reply that 76 Jewish programs occurred from 1811 to 1917 on the territory of Russia with a number of victims estimated at approximately 3,000. That is the total number of those who suffered in any way. The author reminds us that during one six-month period in medieval Spain, more than 20,000 Jews were killed. Yeah, I'm not liking a few things here with Solzhenitsyn,
Starting point is 07:18:57 but you're not going to agree with everything. I don't agree with myself on everything. But he's saying that to make a broader point. As we've already said, these pogroms led to the deaths of far more Russians than Jews or anyone else. And it was only allegedly against Jews. But you have people like Solomon Swartz who are saying that it occurred afterwards. Now, the Soviets couldn't admit that, but what they consider a victim is, you know, it continues to expand over time, that definition. And the numbers, you know, I've heard, I've heard, I've heard, I've heard, you know, 100,000, 200,000, 500,000 over the years.
Starting point is 07:19:49 And so far as as killed, Jews, Jews killed in programs. It's, you know, it takes a life of its own. And bringing up the fact that so many Jews were. involved in running the camps, which is, you know, he says this in the archipelago, the two volumes. He, you know, he got into a lot of trouble. This is why, you know, they, despite winning the Nobel Prize, they, you know, the regime turned to other people, the ruling class turned to others, more liberal dissidents from the USSR after the 1970s. Because remember, very importantly, at the 1970s, the Jews disengaged from the Soviet Union to a great extent over Israel
Starting point is 07:20:38 and its connection with the U.S. and its victories over Soviet client states, Syria and Iraq and Egypt sometimes, depending on the year. And so you had Russian Jews and the Soviet government, on two different sides of that very important issue. And so Jews were pulling themselves away from the USSR, and the USSR changed radically as a result. But at this point, there's no way they could admit pogroms after 1917, but the way that a pogrom is defined,
Starting point is 07:21:24 the way that the word victim is defined, is so ridiculous. And Schwartz, you know, we've talked about him many times, that anything, even name-calling on the job, was considered a pogrom, or something like that. But as far as the Soviet government at this point in time needed to say, they couldn't say it had ever happened after 1917 because, you know, paradise had come to Earth.
Starting point is 07:21:51 A plot-like atmosphere emanates from the recollections of Joseph Berger, a communist, about, a highly placed snitch Lev Illyach Injir. A former Menshevik arrested in 1930, he immediately began collaborating with the GPU, fearing reprisals against his family and the loss of his apartment in the center of Moscow. He helped to prepare the Menshevik trial of 1931,
Starting point is 07:22:17 falsely testified against his best friends, was absolved and immediately appointed as a chief accountant, uh, Bella Morstoy. During the Yeshsha, Yishovshina, he was a chief accountant of the gulag enjoying the complete trust of his superiors and with connections to the very top NkVD officials. Injir recalled one Jewish Nkvd veteran who interlarded his words with aphorisms from Talmud. Sure. He was arrested later again, this time on the wave of
Starting point is 07:22:51 anti-Yashv purges. However, Injir's former colleagues from the gulag favorably arranged his imprisonment. However, at this point, he turned into an explicit snitch and provocateur, and other inmates suspected that the plentiful parcels he was receiving were not from his relatives, but directly from the third department. Nevertheless, later in 1953, in the Teichette camp, he was sentenced to an additional jail term, this time being accused of Trotskyism and of concealing his sympathies for the state of Israel from the third department. You know, I do, okay, there's a lot going on here. Clearly, yes of a Jewish background, ran the camps for a while.
Starting point is 07:23:37 A snitch. I don't know whether he means a snitch against other Jews or against everyone else. But of course, those people are well taken care of. It's not like in the American prison system where you'd be murdered immediately. You have to go to protective custody. I don't think that was the case here. but this was a network which included prisoners. Judaism, wherever, you know, whether in the party, the state, prisoners, in the economy, anywhere.
Starting point is 07:24:14 This was one large network. And if you, and if you, you know, did the right thing as far as the state was concerned, you were part of that network. You could plug into it. and you wouldn't have to suffer very much. Clearly, this guy didn't suffer very much. Now, 1953, I don't know if that was before or after Stalin's death if he died that year.
Starting point is 07:24:44 But Trotskyism and sympathy for the state of Israel, that wasn't an issue at the time. I'd like to get deeper into that because the Soviet Union created the state of Israel of 1948, as I mentioned many times. The U.S. was iffy about it because they didn't want to alienate the Arabs and the oil companies and everything. The Soviets were all for it. But this seems to be too early.
Starting point is 07:25:12 It wasn't until much later that unless I'm underestimating it, maybe it was much earlier. The Jews began to slowly move away from the from the Soviet Union. Although when Khrushchev took over, there was a brand new program against the church,
Starting point is 07:25:33 far more intensely because it had grown during and after World War II. But I do question the sympathies for the state of Israel. I don't know, I don't know if that was a thing so early, but I could be wrong. Of worldwide infamy, Belbalog absorbed hundreds of thousands of Russian, Ukrainian, and Middle Asian peasants between 1931 and 1932.
Starting point is 07:26:02 Opening a newspaper issue from August 1933, dedicated to the completion of the canal between the White and Baltic seas, we find a list of awardees. Lower ranking orders and medals were awarded to concreters, steel fixers, etc. But the highest degree of decoration, the order of Lenin, was awarded to eight men only, and we can see large photographs of each. Only two of them were actual engineers. The rest were the chief commanders of the canal, according to Stalin's understanding of personal contribution. And whom do we see here?
Starting point is 07:26:36 Yedrici Yagoda, head of the NKVD. Madvei Berman, head of Goulog. Seven Fearon, commander of Belbautzlaug. By that time, he was already the commander of Mittlog, where the story will later repeat itself. Lizar Kogan, head of construction. Later, he will serve the same function at Vago Canal. Jacob Rappaport, deputy head of construction.
Starting point is 07:27:06 Naftali Frankl, chief manager of the labor force of Bella Morshtroi and the evil demon of the whole archipelago. Yeah, and these are references to various camps, smaller than the ones that Solzhenitson normally talks about. the canal was accomplished almost entirely by prison labor and the number of deaths is in the hundreds of thousands especially in the early years it was they froze to death they never got sufficient amounts of food
Starting point is 07:27:44 and they were doing tremendous physical labor early on that canal was was just coated in blood and here you have the awards going to this group of Jews who never touched
Starting point is 07:27:59 a shovel or a hoe or anything else like that in their entire lives these were political guys not even engineering guys let alone
Starting point is 07:28:10 workers you know with picks and shovels which is pretty much all they had for a long time these are some of the most evil men of the 20th century and no one's ever heard of them
Starting point is 07:28:24 and that that goes to show Jewish power from top to bottom these men are the causes of the death of a million or two just in this short period of time as a canal, what canal
Starting point is 07:28:39 White Sea Canal was being done this is freezing temperatures this is just barely in the Arctic Circle and it's even in the best of conditions it's bad because it's swampy up there
Starting point is 07:28:55 so they get assaulted by mosquitoes there's so much standing water it's a living hell you think you know Frankl or Rappaport never once step foot in this area as anything other than a
Starting point is 07:29:10 manager this is what this is why I said from the very beginning Bolshevik Revolution had nothing to do with labor. It never did. The concept of proletariat did not mean what most people think it means. These guys were proletarians, which would be considered non-aigarchy. Actual workers were treated with utter disgust and contempt, and it proves that under Stalin, and we're talking about, you know, early on, that Jews were everywhere. and they dominated especially in those areas that tormented the Gentiles, the tormented the Russians. Now, giving these awards to guys who never left the office
Starting point is 07:29:57 shows you the very nature of how the Soviet system worked, what Marxism really is. Their conception of worker or a proletarian has no bearing on what kids learned in college or even in high school today. And all their portraits were enlarged and reprinted again in the solemnly shameful book, Bellamor Canal, a book of huge scriptural size, like some revelation anticipating advent of the millennarian kingdom. And then I reproduced these six portraits of villains in archipelago, borrowing them from their own exhibition and without any prior editing, showing everybody
Starting point is 07:30:41 who was originally displayed. Oh my God, what a worldwide rage has surged. How, How dared I? This is anti-Semitism. I'm a branded and screwed anti-Semite. At best, to reproduce these portraits was national egotism, Russian egotism. And they dared to say it despite what follows immediately on the next pages of archipelago, how docile, how docilely Koolock lads were freezing to death under their barrows. One wonders, where were their eyes in 1933 when it was printed for the very first time? Why weren't they so indignant then? This is a typical, very common reaction.
Starting point is 07:31:23 It's almost a form of displacement, psychologically speaking. You know, Solzhenitsyn, without really doing it on purpose, is laying out the people who ran these torture centers. Remember, this is long after World War II. And, you know, the publication of the book, of course. It's a miracle he got the Nobel Prize with all of this. because Jewish names are all over the place in it. It's been a while since I've read both volumes,
Starting point is 07:31:53 but the fact that he's simply laying out who ran it and who were the direct causes of the deaths of a million, at least a million Russians, Cossacks especially, same thing for under Peter the Great, Ukrainians and Belarusans. That was enough to get him condemned. When he was thrown out of the country, the FBI followed him everywhere.
Starting point is 07:32:30 You didn't have the same with Jewish dissidents. You did have it with Russian Orthodox dissidents like all believers, dissidents like Solzhenitsyn. How he got that, the Nobel Prize, really, that was nothing short of a miracle, given the power the Jews have over that process. But even mentioning their names, showing their pictures, not even saying that they're Jews, that was sufficient to get the entire Jewish world against Solzhenitin when that was published.
Starting point is 07:33:07 Let me repeat what I once, what I professed once to the Bolsheviks. One should be ashamed of hideosity, not when it is disclosed to the public, but when it is done. A particular conundrum exists with respect to the personality of Naftali-Frankel, that tireless demon of archipelago, had to explain his strange return from Turkey in the 1920s. He successfully got away from Russia with all his capitals after the first harbingers of revolution. In Turkey, he attained a secure, rich, and unconstrained social standing, and he never harbored any communist ideas. And yet he returned. to come back and become a toy for the GPU and for Stalin, to spend several years in imprisonment himself, but in return to accomplish the most ruthless oppression of imprisoned engineers
Starting point is 07:33:57 and the extermination of hundreds of thousands of the decoulaucized? What could have motivated his insatiable evil heart? I am unable to imagine any possible reason except vengeance towards Russia. If anyone can provide an alternative explanation, please do so. Well, we know we're not going to hear it. What he's referring to is the need, the connections as I mentioned, the Jews had amongst one another, even non-communists, so long as they were leftists of some kind, if they can serve the USSR in one way or another in this period of time were permitted entry and even social standing, depending on what he can offer. You know, he probably didn't have a political ideology at all, except, you know, Zionism itself, Jewish power. He wasn't too loud about that.
Starting point is 07:34:56 But, again, that comes up in the archiparago book, too. This is about Jewish control, a Jewish cohesiveness, where it didn't matter what you were. If you were a Jew and you can contribute, you were brought in. and given a crazy job you had no competence with. And was one of the men who is responsible for the deaths of God knows how many. We're talking about, and of course, it comes directly from hatred. A hatred of Russia based on their mythical conception of Russian history. We've gone through the real connection of what history of the Jews in Russia.
Starting point is 07:35:39 We've been through it early on in this book. but you're not going to hear that elsewhere, which is why I think this show, this series is so important. But those lies have a real impact. They motivate someone like him to come to the USSR and use its anti-Russian, anti-Orthodox mentality for the sake of the Jews and Jewish power, regardless of what its ideology was.
Starting point is 07:36:10 There is no other explanation. and so here he's saying even under Stalin, the Jewish community was the main element ruling the empire. Regardless, the ethnicity came before anything. Yeah, there were plenty of criminals in the gulag. You know, theft of government property was a big one. And also keep in mind, I want everyone to notice that
Starting point is 07:36:41 when Khrushchev engaged in his anti-Stalinist polemics later on the gulags weren't taken down the gulags continued to exist right up until Gorbachev they functioned the exact same way and of course the U.S. was well aware of it and victims were continuing to freeze the death and everything else in these gulags
Starting point is 07:37:06 that was the economy really couldn't function without them at this point because it's not just what we would call blue-collar labor. It's a white-collar labor, too. And the destruction of the engineering congeys is one of the reasons that the Soviet Union became so dependent on American capital and American engineering power, which in and of itself completely destroys the main myths of Marxism and Leninism. But Jewish nationalism was the main issue here. And it was motivated by these mythical conceptions of so-called oppression, which they then used to quote-unquote exact vengeance towards Russia.
Starting point is 07:37:59 And it led to the deaths of millions. And as you know, in parts of Europe, you bring that up, you go into prison. What else could be revealed by someone with a thorough understanding of the structure of the Camp Command? The head of the first department of Belomorstroy was one wolf, the head of the division, Mitrov section of Volok Canal was Bovshivor. The finance division of Belomoisroy was headed by L. Berenzen. His deputies were A. Dorfman. The already mentioned Injir, Levetsky, Kagner, Angert. And how many of the other humbler posts remain unmentioned? Is it really reasonable to suppose that Jews were digging soil with shovels and racing their hand barrows and dying under
Starting point is 07:38:44 these barrows from exhaustion and emaciation? Well, view it as you wish. AP Scripnikov and D.P. Wittkovsky, who were there, told me the Jews were overrepresented among idiots during construction of Belomor Canal, and they did not roll barrows and did not die under them. Yeah, these are well-known facts in Russia and Belarus, even in Poland, but not in the West. Of course they didn't. And that just adds one other layer of proof that Jewish cohesiveness is what the Soviet the Union base itself on. In bad economic times, the Soviet system became more dependent on production from various.
Starting point is 07:39:32 There were so many camps all over the place, all over the country. Each had its own function. Some of them, you know, purely white-collar labor. And they became both in and of themselves and as a network, a massive bureaucracy and a massive part of the economy. me. They couldn't get rid of them if they wanted to, and they certainly didn't want to. But, you know, Jews will probably kill themselves before they actually dig a hole, you know, up in the far north in the frozen in the soil. But they didn't have to do that because it's true. Well, there were plenty of Jews that were punished for various things.
Starting point is 07:40:13 they were not treated the same way as Russians were. And one of the main reasons is that Russians refused to organize on ethnic terms. They'd rather, they ended up killing each other. They ended up fighting one another rather than seeking, you know, common ground so they could fight back. And the Jews were rewarded for this. That's why I keep saying this is this network, including it even outside of the Soviet Union. that created this privileged, almost a utopia, for Jewish power.
Starting point is 07:40:52 And this is actively covered up in both popular history and academic history today. And you could find highly placed Jewish commanders not only at Belbaltlaug, construction of the Koltlas Vorkuta Railroad was headed by Moros. His son married Svetlana Stalina. The special officer in charge of Gulag in the Far East was Grotch. These are only a few of the names, which resurfaced accidentally. If a former inmate Thomas Govillo, an American National, didn't write to me, I wouldn't be aware about the head of the Chai Yorinsk Mining Administration on Colima
Starting point is 07:41:34 between 1943 to 1944 at the depths of the patriotic war. Half-colonel arm was a tall black-haired Jew with a terrible reputation. His orderly man was selling ethanol to everybody, 50 grams for 50 rubles. Arm had his own personal tutor of English, a young American arrested in Corellia. His wife was paid a salary for an accountant's position, but she didn't work. Her job was actually performed by an inmate in the office, a common practice revealing how families of gulag commanders used to have additional incomes. Yeah, and this also implies that they were skimming from what these gulags were producing
Starting point is 07:42:13 in the first place. that they had no right to. This is just another layer. Remember, when Joel Zunitsyn wrote the Gullog or Capelligo, he wasn't just talking about his own personal experience. He spent quite a bit of time, you know, researching the nature of these camps and what they did and how they were organized, how they were connected
Starting point is 07:42:33 and their connections with the rest of the Soviet Empire. And at the same time, you still had thousands of American intellectuals saying that this was this was the wave of the future and these people deserve to be there. And how many times have I said that the Jews in Russia acted like a mafia group. Here you have classic mafia device of a no work job, classic in New Jersey, New York. But they were just given a salary just for existing. But that's because they were able to plug in to the Jewish.
Starting point is 07:43:15 network. And that was, that's with the Soviet Union, to a great extent, especially in these areas, the punitive organs, gulags prisons, Jewish cohesiveness was the main actor and the main, functionary. Or take another case. During the age of glasnos, one Soviet newspaper published a story about the dreadful gulag administration, the built a tunnel between Sakhalen and the mainland. It was called the trust of Arias. Who was that comrade Arias? I have no idea. But how many perished in his minds and in the unfinished tunnel?
Starting point is 07:43:55 Sure, I knew a number of Jews. They were my friends who carried all the hardships of common labor. In archipelago, I described a young man, Boris Gamoroff, who quickly found his death in the camp, while his friend, the writer Engel, was made an accountant from the very first day in the camp, although his knowledge of arithmetic was very poor. I knew Valadja Gershuni, an irreconcilable and incorruptible man. I knew Joe Jog Masamed, who did common labor in the hard labor camp at Eccabassus on principle,
Starting point is 07:44:29 though he was called upon to join the idiots. Besides, I would like to list here a teacher, Tatiana Musivna Fahliki, who spent 10 years dredging, she said, like a beast of burden. and I also would like to name here a geneticist Vladimir Ephraimson, who spent 13 of his 36 months of imprisonment, one out of his two terms, doing common labor. He also did it on principle, though he also had better options. Relying on parcels from home, one cannot blame him for that. He picked the handbarrow precisely because there were many Jews from Moscow in that Jejagan camp, and they were used to settling well, while Ephraimian. Ephroimson wanted to dispel any grudge toward Jews, which was naturally emerging among inmates.
Starting point is 07:45:19 And what did his brigade think about his behavior? Quote, he has a black sheep among Jews with a real Jew roll, a barrow, end quote. He was similarly ridiculed by Jewish idiots who felt annoyed that he, quote, flaunted himself, end quote, to reproach them. In the same vein, another Jew, Jokov, Davidovich, Gordensky, who also beavered in the common category was judged by other Jews, by others. Is he really a Jew? Yes. So anyone who did, any Jew who did manual labor, and remember, that's only from what they're saying. Something tells me if they're exaggerating. Whatever their motive might, even if they were doing it, and how often they
Starting point is 07:46:02 were doing it, whatever it was, you know, and they were even offered because they were Jewish. they didn't have to do it. But it seems to hear that he's implying that it was to remove the idea that Jews essentially were this aristocracy in the Soviet Union. So they send a couple of Jews off to, you know, cut a few trees or whatever, you know, send them into the minds, which is the worst kind of death, I could imagine. I remember so many of these projects failed miserably, especially in the 60s, 60s and 70. They spent a fortune on these huge things, often done with slave labor or gulag labor, with people who weren't qualified to run these things. There's been several articles, even in the popular press, of these huge behemoth projects that are still sitting there in Russia today,
Starting point is 07:47:02 surrounded by forests, you know, no one goes there. So many of these projects did not work. But I will, I'll say, express caution when they, they say that, yes, I worked in common labor. I'm not going to believe them off the bat. But if they did, they may have done it on occasion to be able to say, see, Jews are doing this too. Plus the fact, you only had, you know, you had a relatively few number of Jewish prisoners in the Gulag anyway. They did do things that pissed people off and ended up there.
Starting point is 07:47:38 I think few died there, unlike the, unlike the, unlike the Jews. Gentiles. So, you know, theft usually was a big one. Probably the only thing that would really send a Jew to the, to the gulag. But for someone to say, because someone is, is holds a pick and gets a picture taken, like he's actually doing the work that, oh, he can't really be a Jew, you wouldn't even have to do that. And the common labor, as we know, was, was. deadly because the sheer amount of effort that you had to do, especially in the northern camps,
Starting point is 07:48:19 but elsewhere too, in the swampy can anywhere else, you were getting terrible food, you know, soup of some kind with some crap in it, and even the strongest ended up dying. You know, Jews were not in this category whatsoever. But he seems to suggest that the few that were doing, I'm sure, very publicly in drawing attention to themselves. Some of the manual labor were doing it just so Russians could say, oh, well, I guess it's a Jews too, you know, but I don't want to give the impression that, you know, there were all these Jews in the camps. They were a tiny, tiny minority. They did do things wrong. They did piss people off. They weren't there for all that long. And they functioned. And I give you
Starting point is 07:49:08 other era in Russian history as a as a as a mafia group they they took care of each other even to the point of having no no work jobs and no show jobs it's you know every every chapter it just continues to solidify that idea it is so symbolic both effer froymson and grozensky did those things right did those right and best things which could be only motivated by the noblest of Jewish appeals to honestly share the common lot, and they were not understood by either side. They are always difficult and derided, the paths of austerity and dedication, the only ones that can save humanity. I try not to look, I try not to overlook such examples because all my hopes depend on them. Let's add here a valiant Gersh Keller, one of the leaders of the Gengkir
Starting point is 07:50:04 uprising in 1954. He was 30 years old when he was executed. I also read about Yitzhak Ghanov, commanderate of an artillery squadron during the Soviet-German war. In 1948, he was sentenced to 25 years for Zionism. During seven years of imprisonment, he wrote 480 pieces of poetry in Hebrew, which he memorized without writing them down. I looked up the footnote here. Yeah. It's from the Russian Jewish Encyclopedia second edition. Oh, right.
Starting point is 07:50:43 It doesn't surprise me. It would have to be some publication like that. Hebrew was sort of semi-illegal. I find that very hard to believe. And sentence to 25 years for Zionism in 1948, that's an absolute lie. Because the Soviets were extremely pro-Israel in 1948. So there's, yeah, so I don't, this paragraph, I reject. out of hand for that reason. During his third trial, July 10, 1978, after already serving two terms,
Starting point is 07:51:19 Alexander Ginsburg was asked a question, what is your nationality? And replied, inmate. That was a worthy and serious response and it angered the tribunal, but he deserved it for his work for the Russian Public Relief Fund, which provided existence to families of political prisoners of all nationalities and by his manly vocation. That is, what? but we are, a genuine breed of prisoners, regardless of nationality. And probably in 1978, you were at a period of time you can get away with something like that. Although the number of Jews in the USSR was shrinking fast, so many were immigrated either to the U.S. or Western Europe, U.S. or especially Israel. But this whole thing sounds like, and I'm sure you had, you had, maybe they did do good things like this.
Starting point is 07:52:12 You know, I have no reason to doubt it. But claiming to be an inmate when you're asked about your nationality, suggesting, by the way, that Jew is a nationality as far as the Soviets were concerned, I think that was a big show. You know, there's one thing that the Soviet Union was known for were these kind of show trials, although we don't mean it in the exact same way here. You know, there's a lot of these, this group. of paragraphs here. I'm question a lot of it because, you know, Sultan Eaton is, he can only go
Starting point is 07:52:48 by what he's told. You know, he's seen some of it, but most of it comes from his own research, but he's talking to these people personally. And of course, they're going to make themselves seem, look like the victims. That's what they do, especially, you know, after World War II. And remember, any, any Soviet P.O.W. was, had to be cleansed somehow. That's the only reason Solzhenits was ever sent to the camps in the first place. Even for a very short time,
Starting point is 07:53:24 Jews, of course, were almost exempted from this, but that was sufficient. The fact that you were in a German POW camp was enough to say that we can't trust you anymore. You may be a propagandist. This is pure projection on their part. But he can only go by what he's being told. I think we should stop right there.
Starting point is 07:53:47 He's switching tone here to get personal to tell his personal to sell his personal story. I noticed that. And yeah, it's reading the Gulagal-O-Capelago, of course, takes a very long time. It's a very complicated book. But there's some parts where you just can't put it down. And a lot of this stuff is in that book in a much expanded fashion. it's not just his personal experience. Now, that's a part of it.
Starting point is 07:54:19 But no, this is a far broader critique of the Soviet Union. And yet, the Jews are a part of this. And it started to dawn on them in the 70s and 80s. That way, this guy's an enemy when he was in the U.S. You know, he had to move all the time. He had to move. He couldn't stay in one parish for long. Because there was a lot of people.
Starting point is 07:54:43 that were after him. There weren't just KGB. KGB would have killed them in the USSR. Now, I think it was, I think it was ADL and JDO and everyone else who, and he wasn't even going around saying that it was a Jewish society, but he just listed the names,
Starting point is 07:55:00 listed, showed the pictures, you know, and that was sufficient to make him an absolute enemy. And, um, uh, you do have admirers in,
Starting point is 07:55:12 in the mainstream. You do. Uh, Not necessarily even conservative ones, but they try to paper over these. You know, it's the phenomenon of how the regime deals with a great writer who's also like, say, an orthodox nationalist or someone like Johann Herder or George William Frederick Hagel, you can't ignore him. He's there to major to be ignored.
Starting point is 07:55:41 So you rewrite them in your head. you stress certain things I have a paper I'm working on now on Hegel I've always been a Hegelian of how liberals try to deal with him he was anything but a liberal he was he was a nationalist
Starting point is 07:55:55 with a strong socialist element I based so much my own political theory in a secular way on him who's a royalist too they need to paper that over and in their interpretations. I'm going, I'm going through these interpretations. He didn't say it. He doesn't say it that way. They're claiming he's talking about the individual. He didn't have an individual in his theory.
Starting point is 07:56:28 He's talking about it in a state system. They're doing everything in their power, and they do that for a Gogol. They do it for Sultan Eaton. Just, you know, stressing certain things over others to make him appear more liberal than he really was. there's a book out called Three Russian Liberals. And I can't remember. I read it a long time ago. And the three people in it were the opposite of liberal. They just were opponents of the Petriean monarchy. But that was enough to get them called liberals in the mainstream press.
Starting point is 07:57:02 That's all you had to be. And that's what the regime tends to do with, they do it with Gogel all the time. They don't necessarily just condemn him, you know, he was a great writer. they can't just condemn him. I mean, there's mainstream books all over the place, but they can't dwell very much on the fact that he was a Russian Orthodox nationalist and medievalist from Ukraine. So they have to reinterpret things and reinterpret things and reinterpret things.
Starting point is 07:57:29 And that becomes the typical vocabulary in academia. And I wrote my book, I mean, it was pretty sloppy. I need to, it was a long time ago. The Orthodox idea in Russian literature, I got to redo it. to express this idea that they treat these men as completely secular, even though they weren't. So with great writers that they can't ignore,
Starting point is 07:57:55 they simply have to reinterpret them and manipulate what they say and essentially project their own liberalism onto them. And it makes them sound ridiculous in many places. If you don't know any better, you think that's what it is. Hegel, because he's so difficult to read Johnson's law is very much a powerful thing.
Starting point is 07:58:17 And Hegel is extremely important. He is certainly a social nationalist. I've always said so. Many of the Russian conservative said so, too. Russian royalists said so. Ivan Ealinge being the main one. But Shultzhenit was the same way. You did have plenty of people who just condemned him outright.
Starting point is 07:58:38 But most of the time, they went and just reinterpreted him. They would stress certain things over. others to make him seem more liberal than he really was. And so or, you know, ignoring him, that's simply impossible. And that's what they do with, with anybody like that, Russian or otherwise. And they did it in the Soviet Union. They do it in, they do it in the West. And that's what's considered, you know, knowledge in, in literature or history. Well, Dr. Johnson, we'll come back in a couple of days for episode 100. What do you think of that? I don't know.
Starting point is 07:59:14 It's extraordinary. The listeners have to know that there's going to be another book. We're not done just with this. We're going to continue this because I don't know how to live my life without this now. I hear you. I hear you. This is ingrained part of my existence. I encourage everyone to go over to the show notes and to go to the descriptions of the videos
Starting point is 07:59:39 and donate to Dr. Johnson's work also to buy his new book. That's another way that you can support him. Please do that. I think Dr. Johnson's work here is invaluable, and this kind of thing is legacy building stuff. So, yeah, please, please help him out. Thank you, my friend. I appreciate it.
Starting point is 08:00:01 Thank you. Talk to you in a couple days. Bye, bye. I want to welcome everyone back to our reading of 200 years together by Alexander Solzhenison. This is episode. 100. Dr. Johnson, how are you doing? This is a big deal to me.
Starting point is 08:00:23 I've never been this deep into a book in my entire life, anybody. This has been extraordinary. And people who've been listening from the very beginning, they're getting an education that very few people have. And especially what we're doing now. Now Stanley's at my feet So I can't stretch my legs out He's out like a log though
Starting point is 08:00:49 So I can't You know Speaking of getting older He's he's just over 10 And he falls And he's ahead of the animals in the household He keeps very strict The counting of everybody
Starting point is 08:01:00 So So he kind of plops down wherever he wants He does this thing where someone is in One of his sleeping spots And he's a big boy he just goes over there and stares and the little cat usually one of the younger kittens looks up and he doesn't say we're just stares
Starting point is 08:01:19 and then eventually they get down so that's what kind of a sociology of the cat hierarchy feline hierarchy we have around here and of course the dogs are totally intimidated by him most cats I guess that's hilarious but yeah he's a very strict you know dogs form packs
Starting point is 08:01:37 cats form hierarchies and Stanley's hierarchy is very strict and but right now he is snoring between my feet so i'm i can't stretch out it might be a big problem i don't know all right let's jump in all right picking up where we left off last time looks like we're going to finish this chapter on the gulags and then we're going to get into the russian german war However, my camps were different, spanning from the great Bellamore to the tiny 121st camp district of the 15th OLP of Moscow's UITLK, which left behind a not-incispicuous semi-circular building at Kaluga's Gate and Moscow. Out there, our entire life was directed and trampled by three leading idiots.
Starting point is 08:02:35 Solomon, Solomanoff, a chief accountant, David Burstein, first. an educator and later a work assigning clerk and Isaac Bershiter earlier in exactly the same way Salamanov and Bersheter ruled over the camp at the Moscow Highway Institute MHA. Note that all this happened under the auspices of a Russian camp commander, one ensign Mironov. For those who haven't heard previous episodes, an idiot, he means the word in the Greek sense, the way that Aristotle used the word, somebody who is not a part of society, either because they're too extraordinary or too stupid.
Starting point is 08:03:21 They're outside of it. And in this case, it means that they're not really, they're within the camp, but they do their own thing. We get something like idiosyncratic terms like this from it. So that's what idiot means here. and that's what it meant when it was a medical term many years ago, and it's not used anymore, but so now not only do you have Jews controlling the camps from the top levels,
Starting point is 08:03:49 you have Jewish inmates controlling the camp from the inside. And the idiotas from the camp level were overwhelmingly Jewish, and this is one of the first things that God's Sultan-Eten eaten in trouble when he published the Gulae Orchapelago. because, you know, he didn't, he didn't say, oh, my God, they're all Jews. He just mentioned all their names. And, and that was, that was sufficient. So Jewish control was at numerous levels.
Starting point is 08:04:20 And keep in mind, too, that the camp system was everywhere. I mean, they were everywhere. Camps were everywhere. And they did, they had all kinds of specializations. It wasn't just, you know, guys, you know, busted rocks with a pick or something like that. You had scientific. You had everything you could think of. military, the camps, you know, specialized in different things, and they became a big part of the
Starting point is 08:04:43 Soviet economy. So, I know I said that recently, but in case someone's just tuning in, the word idiot doesn't mean what we normally use the word at. All three of them came up before my eyes and to get positions for them, in each case, their Russian predecessors were instantly removed from the posts. Salamanov was sent in first. He confidently seized a proper position and quickly got on the right side of the ensign, I think using food and money from outside. Soon after that, the wretched burscheter was sent in from MHA with an accompanying note,
Starting point is 08:05:24 quote, to use him only in the common labor category, a quite unusual situation for a domestic criminal, which probably meant substantial delinquency. he was about 50 years old short fat with a baleful glare he walked around condescendingly inspecting our living quarters with the look of a general from the head department well they shouldn't surprise anybody and even even before they knew they were going to be amongst the ranks of the idiots the idiotes they realized that their money coming in from the outside was sufficient to put them there and keep them there. And so,
Starting point is 08:06:06 and remember, it wasn't just, the gulag wasn't just for political prisoners. I mean, they were a large chunk of the population, but even just common criminals too. And they were all mixed together. So,
Starting point is 08:06:21 Jews, of course, being as cohesive as they are, were able to very, you know, take care of these guys once they were inside. And there were a tiny, minority of the population anyway. So they had this big income coming in, not just from family members or anything, but even from Jews in general. And so that put them in a position regardless of anything else.
Starting point is 08:06:44 And so, but this arrogance and contempt for the Russians, who bane up, of course, the majority of men at the camp was something to be expected. And of course, God forbid you did something. about it, you'd be in serious trouble. The senior proctor asked him, what is your specialty? Storekeeper. There is no such specialty. Well, I am a storekeeper.
Starting point is 08:07:12 Anyway, you are going to work in the Common Labor Brigade. For two days, he was sent there. Shrugging his shoulders, he went out, and upon entering the work zone, he used to seat himself on a stone and rest respectfully. Respectably. The brigadier would have hit him, but he quailed. The newcomer was so self-conflict. confident that anyone could sense power from him.
Starting point is 08:07:34 The camp storekeeper Sevesti Yanoff was depressed as well. For two years, he was in charge of the combined provision in sundry store. He was firmly established and lived on good terms with the brass, but now he was chilled. Everything is already settled. Bershadier is a storekeeper by specialty. Yeah, you know, the common, being assigned to the common labor brigade. You know, and that's the tough, that's your real, you know, forced labor. That is, in many cases, you know, hitting rocks with sticks.
Starting point is 08:08:09 But that was, to some extent, it was propaganda. You see, some of us do get that sign there. But he knew he didn't have to do anything. He knew that even the officers of the camp had to watch themselves because they were Jews and because they were given a substantial amount of money from the outside. I don't know what the word quailed means, but the context seems to be that he, he withheld that he was going to beat him as they normally did. But because he was a Jew,
Starting point is 08:08:39 um, he, and he had money coming in that, um, he without even, just like on day one without knowing what was going to happen. He still acted as if he had been there forever and, and was,
Starting point is 08:08:52 and didn't have to do anything. And so while everyone else was, was, was kicking rocks, he was, uh, he was, he was sitting there.
Starting point is 08:09:00 So even if they were, were assigned to the hard labor brigade, that doesn't mean they're doing hard labor. Nothing is ever as it seems when it comes to the Jews, either before or after the Russian revolution. Then the medical unit discharged Bershiter from the labor duties on grounds of poor health, and after that, he rested in the living quarters. Meanwhile, he probably got something from outside. And within less than a week, Cévez Yanoff was removed from his post, and Bershiter was made
Starting point is 08:09:28 a storekeeper with the assistance of Salamano. However, at this point it was found that the physical labor of pouring grain and rearranging boots, which was done by Sevastjanov single-handedly, was also contraindicated for Bershitter. So he was given a henchman, and Solomanoff's bookkeeping office enlisted the latter as service personnel. But it was still not a sufficiently abundant life. The best-looking, proudest woman of the camp, the swan-like lieutenant sniper M, was bent to his will and, forced to visit him in his storeroom in the evenings. After Burstein showed himself in the camp, he arranged to have another camp beauty, AS, come to his cubicle. Yeah, so the camps weren't quite the same.
Starting point is 08:10:18 We're talking about rape here, clearly. And this is supposed to be an inmate of the Gulang. You can't remember, you know, at the end of the USSR, the, at least according to Friedman's book, the Red Mafia, which is an excellent book on the formation of the so-called Russian mafia, which is a Jewish mafia, most of its core membership came out of the Gulag, which wasn't eliminated until 89.90. And this was their life.
Starting point is 08:10:49 So if they weren't already essentially a mafia organization in the country, they certainly were an organized crime group in the Gulag where they even had more freedom. and so there was a woman here, I don't know, Lieutenant Sniper, I don't know what that means. Genders were obviously kept separated, but not for him, but forced to visit him in his tour room in the evening. You know, this isn't exactly, this isn't exactly consensual. So this is one level more of the arrogance and the contempt. and this is something that Solzhenyza wasn't allowed to talk about
Starting point is 08:11:30 and he did and despite the fact that he won the Nobel Prize in the 70s he was this was a tremendous book remember when Khrushchev was overthrown and the very
Starting point is 08:11:45 you know, Andropov who was a Jew Indrapov who was the head of the KGB prior to becoming dictator of the USSR after Brezna and even actually during Breznav's reign too they'd helped finance a lot of anti-Sultanitian writing. So a lot of the negative stuff, especially from Jews in the West, may come from
Starting point is 08:12:05 Soviet money. I can't say that for certain. But Sultanistan certainly said so. And that he knew that Endropov, who was, I think, the only clearly Jewish dictator of the USSR, although Endropov is, I don't, doesn't blatantly scream Jewish last name to me. they were the ones who said oh look what he's talking about in drop of you know had had had you know was profiting so many of the um soviet elite were profiting from what the what the gulags were creating what they were producing that's why it never went away um it was a huge part of not just so i don't want to say the soviet economy but their personal
Starting point is 08:12:47 privileges and um i haven't said this before but the kGB was involved in financing, anti-sulsin needs and writings. They tried to kill him. I know they tried to kill him in 1971 with a ricin pellet, like it did in Bulgaria. He got very, very ill. It's, you know, it must not have penetrated enough. He almost died. As if life was, his life wasn't difficult enough.
Starting point is 08:13:16 And he was aware we all know how ricin works. If you watch Breaking Bad, you know, it stays dormant for a while. You get flu-like symptoms. and then you drop dead. It's a tiny amount, but apparently the dose was the problem here. And he probably was strong as an ox anyway, everything he's been through. So, you know, Khrushchev mentioned him by name when he was condemning Stalin saying we should allow this man to publish. But Khrushchev was overthrown in 64.
Starting point is 08:13:49 And near the end of Brezhnev, the beginning of that last, you know, Chenenko and Dropov, that era, they were vehemently opposed to it, vehemently opposed to Schultzenetzen's publishing in Russia. And yes, I've never mentioned this, but there was at least one assassination attempt that he ever mentioned. The symptoms were too clear for it to be anything else. And Reichen really was a Soviet method. the rice and pellets given any kind of the one of Bulgaria was an umbrella
Starting point is 08:14:28 I forget the guy's name the journalist that wanted to eliminate he was from Bulgaria but he was working in in Britain and the assassin was middly that worked but it's really hard to trace it doesn't show up on talk screens and it doesn't show up
Starting point is 08:14:47 you don't feel it until I don't know a week after being injected with it So it really is the perfect assassination weapon. I think his name was Gregoriev. He remembers, though, when he felt a sting, he knew what the Soviets did. So it's very similar here in 1971, but they didn't quite do it. But he was sick for a very, very long time. And he was well aware that he could never go back to Russia until, until,
Starting point is 08:15:21 until the Soviets were overthrown. Is it difficult to read this? But they were by no means troubled by how it looked from the outside. It even seemed as if they thickened the impression on purpose. And how many such little camps with similar establishments were there all across the archipelago? And did Russian idiots behave in the same way, unrestrained and insanely? Yes, but within every other nation it was perceived socially like an eternal strain between rich and poor. Lord and servant. However, when an alien emerges as a master over life and death, it further adds to the heavy resentment. It might appear strange. Isn't it all the same for a worthless, negligible, crushed, and doomed camp dweller surviving at one of his dying stages? Isn't it all the same who exactly seizes to power inside the camp and celebrates crows picnics over his trench grave? As it turns out, it is not. These things have
Starting point is 08:16:21 been etched into my memory irasively. This is a key point that he's making here. We all know that Westerners know almost zero about Judaism and what it truly is. That it's not primarily a religion, that it's really almost an ideology, an ethnic ideology, and a power drive, a revolutionary movement. Most people don't understand that at all. And where they can't understand it. It's too expensive.
Starting point is 08:16:51 socially to believe this stuff. But it's one thing, you know, you wonder, when the Soviets took over initially, it was a heavily Jewish movement. Solzhenitsyn said so, Putin said so. And their priorities were strange for a group of people that were claiming to be in favor of labor. They were far more concerned with destroying churches and the sexual revolution and everything else.
Starting point is 08:17:15 In other words, what he's saying here is that when there's a power differential, and it's a Russian or a Gentile. Yeah, it might be nasty. It might be unpleasant. It might be exploited. But it's nothing compared to when there's a power differential when the Jew is over you. And you're a Gentile. The hatred is, and they're willing to lose money over.
Starting point is 08:17:38 They're willing to suffer for your, you know, to get to, you know, they could have been overthrown many times in the beginning. As I've said a hundred times, there were many. legitimate Orthodox Christian socialists institutions in Russia. It wasn't a capitalist society. You would think that they would promote that. No, of course not. They had to destroy it. If it were Gentile Marxists, they probably wouldn't have.
Starting point is 08:18:07 Their priorities were completely different than, and we talked about this some time ago, with all of the founders of the leftist movements, Marx themselves, not trusting the Jews and disliking the Jews, as we all know, Bakunin, the founders of anarchism said that the only reason
Starting point is 08:18:25 that socialism and Marxism are synonymous is because he was in with the Rothschild. But it's completely different. And that's why I could write a book where I could say that the Soviet Union
Starting point is 08:18:36 in its first half ever had nothing, didn't even consider the idea of labor. That was just a rhetoric. And that was because of its Jewish element. You had less of a Jewish element.
Starting point is 08:18:50 Slavia, and although you did have so many problems there, Tito was interested in worker control over industry, and I oversaw a dissertation on this very topic. His workers' control is one of the main reasons he separated from the USSR, and it didn't work, but it was far less of a Jewish movement there than it was in the early Soviet Union, and certainly less so. and under the Stalinist in the Stalinist era. So when you have a Jewish ruler, or say a Jewish oligarch versus a Russian oligarch, you get exploited both ways, but it's a very different kind of exploitation. One might be a tyrant. The other one is simply evil. In my play, Republic of Labor, I presented some of the events that happened in that camp
Starting point is 08:19:45 on Bolshaya Kalushkaya 30. understanding the impossibility of depicting everything like it was in reality, because it would be inevitably considered an incitement of anti-Jewish sentiment, as if that trio of Jews was not inflaming it in real life, caring little about consequences. I withheld the abominably greedy burshitter. I concealed Burstein. I recompensed the profiteer Rosa Calicman into an amorphous bella of eastern origin, and retained the only Jew accountant, Soleimanov,
Starting point is 08:20:21 exactly like he was in life. So what he's saying here, now I've read the Republic of Labor a million years ago. I really should get back to it. It was right after college. But he's saying that he, for the sake of a Western audience, is deliberately not talking about the Jews all that much,
Starting point is 08:20:42 not mentioning their names. And he still was condemned because he mentioned one or two condemned as anti-Jewish, as an anti-Semite. And he says, could you imagine if I let it all out how exactly the Jewish power functioned here? And not just from ideology, but I saw it. I witnessed it. This is how they functioned. There's nothing you could do about it. I witnessed it. It's a fact of life. But of course, we know when it comes to leftist ideology, facts have nothing to do with reality. When it comes to Jewish power, facts have nothing to do with reality. Have nothing to do with anything. You go on trial for incitement, like Sven Longshank was, whether or not he's correct was irrelevant, all the so-called Holocaust trials,
Starting point is 08:21:29 whether or not the correct had no bearing on anything. That wasn't the point. But he was deliberately covering up the Jewish angle here, and he still was condemned for. So what about my loyal Jewish friends after they perused the play? The play aroused extraordinarily passionate protests from V. L. Tuich. He read it not immediately, but when Sovremnik had already decided to stage it in 1962, so the question was far from scholarly. The Tushes were deeply injured by the figure of Salamanov. They thought it was dishonest and unjust to show such a Jew, despite that in the real life in the camp, he was exactly as I showed him in the age of oppression of Jews.
Starting point is 08:22:17 1962 is the age of oppression of Jews? It's every age. I mean, it's every year. Yeah, that's what he says here in the next line. Yeah. But then it appears to me that such age is everlasting. What have our Jews not been oppressed? Oh, man.
Starting point is 08:22:39 I love when they tell you, why do you blame every, why are you such a victim? Why do you blame all of your problems on Jews? it's like because I learned from the best. If I am doing that, I learned from the best. Yeah. It's a stupid argument to begin with. I know we're only halfway through this, but he mentioned one Jew,
Starting point is 08:23:02 not even saying that he's a Jew. Just the name itself is pretty clear. You know, Solomon's right in the name. And remember, 1962, Khrushchev was still in power. He was permitting Sultanesean Depositum. published, but, you know, in a certain way anyway. But it also was an age where the Khrushchev era was where the persecution of the Orthodox Church was increased. But that doesn't matter. This was a, Soviet Union was a Jewish era consistently until the early 70s.
Starting point is 08:23:38 Toysch was alarmed and extremely agitated and put forward an ultimatum that if I did not remove or at least soften up the image of Salamanov, then all our friendship will be ruined and he and his wife will no longer be able to keep my manuscripts. Moreover, they prophesized that my very name will be irretrievably lost and blemished if I leave Salamanoff in the play. Why not to make him a Russian? They were astonished. is it so important that he be a Jew? But if it doesn't matter, why did Solomon off select Jews to be idiots? This is, yeah, and he was deliberately covering over the many Jewish names involved. This is one person that he bothered to mention.
Starting point is 08:24:23 And this was the threat. Now, when he says friends, he's being sarcastic, of course. Now, I've had Jewish friends over the years who don't have a clue of what I, do. There's a handful that do, but there are these weird Jews that think it's all right. You know, like Natura Kartha, think that what I do is wonderful, the Hasidic group. But, you know, they're not exactly mainstream. But by the time, by the thing, I was kicked off. I had a few friends on Facebook that were Jewish. By the time I was kicked off, I'm pretty sure it was, it was zero.
Starting point is 08:25:02 Or those that remained were that weird minority. that were very much on my side. I took a chill pill, a sudden censorial ban. Did he really say that? Did he really say that? Okay, never mind, go ahead. He couldn't have said that. He could have.
Starting point is 08:25:21 What's the Russian version? He wrote it in Russian initially. All right. What's the Russian for chill pill? I've never come across it before. All right. I take a chill pill. A sudden censorial ban, no less weighty than the official Soviet prohibition.
Starting point is 08:25:36 had emerged from an unanticipated direction. However, the situation was soon resolved by the official prohibition forbidding Soverementic to stage the peace. And there was another objection from Toish. Quote, Your Salamanov has anything but Jewish personality. A Jew always behaves discreetly, cautiously, suppliantly, and even cunningly. But from where does this pushy impudence of jubilant force? That is not true. It cannot happen like that. this. Well, you know, that is an interesting point he's making. You see this in the Talmud. You see it in Jewish writings all over the place. Where they're in a society, this is how they function in Russia. Now, there's such a tiny minority and Putin, you know, made his bones by putting Jewish
Starting point is 08:26:25 oligarchs in prison. Their behavior is very cautious. They have to be very careful as not to irritate. They can only push so far. They do it so anyway, but the mentality is, you know, we can't be blatant about things. This, however, is a Soviet Union. This is why they're pushy, but because this is their society. And even more so, their camp with the overwhelming majority of inmates are Russian or at least non-Jewish. And Jews probably had a better life in it than outside of it, given everything we've read so far. However, I remember not this Solomanov alone, and it was exactly like that.
Starting point is 08:27:07 I saw many things in the 1920s and 1930s in Rostov-on-Dahn. And Frankel acted similarly, according to the recollections of surviving engineers. Such a slip of triumphant power into insolence and arrogance is the most repelling thing for those around. Sure, it is usually behavior of the worst and rudis, but this is what becomes imprinted in memory. Likewise, the Russian image is soiled by the obscenities of our villains. I do want to mention something. I wrote a paper a few years ago on the question. of, and it was relevant to a lot of things that were happening in American politics,
Starting point is 08:27:42 that most of the psychological associations all over the world have denied the existence of repressed memories. They simply don't exist. If anything, a traumatic experience increases your retention of detail. So-called repressed memories were used to put people in prison who didn't do anything. like Bill Cosby and a whole bunch of other people like that. It had no, but it has no basis in reality. It has no basis in psychology. And I got, I had mostly quotations of this paper,
Starting point is 08:28:23 and I could send that to you too. But the very fact that it's traumatic, I mean, how many veterans wish that they could forget? What could be more traumatic than, or being in an American divorce with a woman, an American woman? I'll put that up against any combat veteran any day. those things, you wish you can forget that, but not only increases your, and intensifies your memory of detail, far more than if it's just normal life. So when he's talking about his own memory, you could swear by it because this was one long traumatic experience.
Starting point is 08:29:01 He's talking about things. And again, he never comes out and says, you know, this was a Jewish movement. This was, you know, the Jews were, he didn't talk like that. He merely mentioned names. And in this case, really only one. In Acapulago, of course, he did more than that. But in his shorter pieces, you know, and despite all of the threats, he didn't solve to this book, okay, gore late in his life.
Starting point is 08:29:27 But the KGB was trying to blacken his name, and he really didn't work. The Jews didn't like him to begin with. They knew what he was talking about, mentioning one person was enough to try to get threats from these people. But traumatic events are imprinted in your memory. They are not repressed. That doesn't exist. But even if it did exist, there's no evidence that the memory just simply goes into
Starting point is 08:29:55 cold storage. Even if it didn't exist, it may come out completely different than the way it went in, has been worked on. It may be damaged. It may be, you know, so that's very important to remember. Remember, so many veterans come back with tremendously detailed memories, which is the problem. They wish they could, they can repress it. That's an American myth used to put men away in the judicial system.
Starting point is 08:30:28 But he's saying that because they were so nasty, because they were so wicked, that he remembers them more than anybody. And therefore, when he talks about them, he could talk about far more. details that he remembers than anyone else. And, um, uh, and the fact, this guy wanted a Russian to be put in there. And the fact that, you know, well, he, he, he would be, he wouldn't be this blatantly, um, nasty, even though it was his society. Well, he can't admit that. Well, he can't admit that.
Starting point is 08:31:00 So, um, so I, you know, when I read this the first time, it dawned. I remember, I remembered again that, that there is no such thing as, as repressed memory. memory is a very complicated area of epistemology. Well, it's not really epistemology, but it's very complicated. Memories are always changing. And certainly, even if they could be repressed somehow, I don't know where they would go. They don't go into cold storage and come out the exact same way,
Starting point is 08:31:33 especially when there's an agenda behind retrieving those memories. And, of course, there always is. So that's his point here. But I do want to point out that every psychological, psychiatric professional organization in the world has condemned, denied the very existence of repressed memories in the sense that we know the phrase. All these blandishments and appeals to avoid writing about the things like they were
Starting point is 08:31:59 are indistinguishable from what we heard from the highest Soviet tribunes. about anti-defamation, about socialist realism, to write like it should be, not like it was. As if a creator is capable of forgetting or creating its past and new. As if the full truth can be written in parts, including only what is pleasing, secure, and popular. So, but who can do that? The only person who can do that with no problem is a sociopath. Calcutative dissonance doesn't affect the sociopath, because there is no good news. evil. There is no distinction between those two things. It's just self-interest. A normal man
Starting point is 08:32:44 couldn't do this. Therefore, if you have a society that demands this, like our society does, only the sociopath is going to do well. The Machiavellian is going to do well. Because if you have to, if you're forced to write something that isn't real to satisfy something, it's going to kill you. Any artists is like that. Therefore, only the most ignorant, the most brainwashed, or the sociopath can do this effectively, and hence they're the ones who get promoted. And Solzination does write about that elsewhere. And how meticulously all the Jewish characters in my books were analyzed with every personal feature weighted on apothecary scales. But the astonishing story of Gregori M, who did not deliver the order to retreat to a dying regiment because
Starting point is 08:33:30 he was frightened, Gulaga Archipelago, Volume 6, Chapter 6, was not known. noticed. It was passed over without a single word, and Ivan Denisovich added insult to injury. There were such sophisticated sufferers, but I put forward a bore. For instance, during Gorbachev's Glosnos emboldened Asier Sandler published his camp memoirs. Quote, after first perusal, I emphatically rejected one day in the life of Ivan Denisovich. The main personage was Ivan Denisovich, a man with minimal spiritual needs, focused only on his mundane troubles, end quote, and Solzhenycin turned him into the national image, exactly like all well-meaning communists were grumbling at that time, while Solzhenycinous preferred not to notice the true
Starting point is 08:34:20 intelligentsia, the determinant of domestic culture and science. Sandler was discussing this with Miran Markovic Etliss, both used to be idiots in the medical unit. And Etlis added, quote, The story is significantly distorted, placed upside down. Solzheniesin failed to emphasize the intelligent part of our contingent. Self-reflections of Ivan Dysovich about himself, that patience, that pseudo-Christian attitude toward others. And in 1964, Sandler was lucky to relieve his feelings.
Starting point is 08:34:57 feelings in conversation with Aaronberg himself. And the latter affirmatively nodded that Sandler mentioned his extremely negative feeling toward my novelette. However, not a single Jew reproached me that Ivan Denezovich, in essence, attends to Caesar Markovic as a servant, albeit with good feelings. Ivan Denezovich, as I said before, is a great place to start. I also mentioned Dostoevich's House of the Dead, too, but that's a separate issue. Both are prison novels. Very different from each other, but the life of Ivan and easy, if it's my copies, like 250 pages, easier to get through. I don't recall many Jews being mentioned at all. And, you know, I spent so much time. Now, this is post, you know, this is probably like in the mid-80s. And Glass Noyce was first decreed. Sandler, of course,
Starting point is 08:35:57 is a Jewish name. I have the feeling, you know, one of the reasons that Solzhenitsyn was arrested is that he witnessed war crimes in Prussia. One of his first works was on this by Soviet soldiers against Germans. And, you know, he had the guts to talk about it and he wasn't allowed to. He did anyway. This was one of the initial things
Starting point is 08:36:24 that got him arrested, got him into a little. a lot of trouble. He witnessed a lot of things. He, he, you know, publicly repented of his work fighting in the Red Army, even though, of course, he had no choice in the matter. But I was just beyond all this, one day in the life of Ivan Deneasov, it's just a great place to start to understand Solzhenits. But I don't know what book they're reading because that book is not just him talking about himself. Of course, the man is suffering tremendously. But I think part of his point here is that since Jews who are,
Starting point is 08:37:04 the idiots did not suffer, why would he be so upset? You know, weren't we all like that? You know, no, you were like that. You were treated well in prison, but he certainly wasn't. But minimal spiritual needs is simply not true. if you read the book, so many of these Jews already knew what Shultanitin was all about. And were condemning him. Who knows?
Starting point is 08:37:32 Maybe they didn't even read it. Maybe they were just going by what other Jews were saying to them. But even though it's fairly easy reading from the start. And I don't want Jews talking about what's pseudo-Christian one isn't. That's outrageous to begin with. But yes, remember, Shultzernitin did be. witnessed war crimes, serious ones, in Prussia, which is far as far west as he ever got. And he became someone of a loose cannon after that.
Starting point is 08:38:04 So he had guts, no doubt. And he kind of thought that, you know, this is maybe a new patriotic society is emerging. So I can talk about that. But he realized that the minute the war ended, that was all gone. And the Jews, you know, the Jews were in power from the beginning anyway. So, but they were, the Jews and Soviet Union were well aware of what Solstinitin was from the very beginning, from the published, from the publications of his first, I forget, the Prussian Knights, I think it was called, something like that. And we know, you know, the Jews who were controlling, you know, Stalin, and all that the Jewish, who were controlling the infantry, the political commissaries, we talked about that already. that were very Jewish, were responsible for this,
Starting point is 08:38:54 all of Erneberg's almost rhapsodizing about raping and destroying German women once they entered Germany near the very end of the war where really no one can defend them. And this began, and then later on, as I've said, KGB wanted to promote this kind of thing. But Denisovic really wasn't, you know, Jews weren't, they didn't figure prominently at all. but I don't know if these people read this book
Starting point is 08:39:26 turning them into the national image, that's fine. And, you know, but as, you know, after the 80s, when 90s went on, you had certain communist factions becoming more national socialist rather than, or national Bolsheviks or some combination of those two, then straight out Marxists. And that ends up confusing a lot of novice Western, readers because, yeah, you know,
Starting point is 08:39:56 he's a member of the Communist Party, but he's taught how can you be, you know, a right winger with a picture of, of Len on your letterhead, top of your letterhead. And it's, I know it's very strange, but this is the origin of this stuff. And, you know, so many of the, like the Progressive Socialist Party in Ukraine,
Starting point is 08:40:17 as I've mentioned many times, I've gotten, I cited them many times. They're essentially a semi-social nationalist national Bolshevik kind of Ukrainian movement. They, of course, been banned, and all of their assets were seized by Zelensky a long time ago, if not before. And, oh, I can't think of her name, Natalia, something. And I cited them many, many times, excellent website they used to have. And so some of them, you know, just because you say, communist doesn't really mean any
Starting point is 08:40:52 thing by itself. It's the presence of the Jewish element that that matters. But that last sentence, I'm entirely sure what he means there. But the point is Jews are trying to decide in telling us what
Starting point is 08:41:12 Christianity is and how it affects Solzhenits and writing. But it didn't matter whether they read it or not. The Soviet elite, especially at the very end, of the empire, at least under, and Dropov, were financing, both in Russia and in the West,
Starting point is 08:41:32 attacks on on Schultzhenits, and a lot of the present contempt for him comes from that. Remember, all he did was mention names, not in Ivan Denisovic, but all he did was mention names. And even if it was just one name, and he covered up the others, that was enough. This is what you're dealing with here. And this is why this book came to be written.
Starting point is 08:41:55 At the end of his life, what are they going to do to him? He was a big Putin supporter, Zulzhenitsyn was. Nothing was going to happen to him so long as Putin's on his side, and he wasn't to the very end. Putin agreed with, you know, 99% of what Solzhenitsyn had to say over time. And so he can get away with something like this. And especially more recently, well, actually, I'll say, you know, the last 20 years, the Jewish issue in Russia is day to day. You have mainstream intellectuals talking about it
Starting point is 08:42:28 in a way that we would talk about it. And that's been going on since the mid-90s. Mid-90s you had more of a Jewish elite running society. But when Putin took over, that wasn't the case anymore. And this book directly comes out of this. And it can only really, this book we're reading now is a lifetime of studying these things. not just his own personal experience
Starting point is 08:42:53 and how Jews relate to him but the historical aspects of what as well and he knew that so long as Putin was his friend and he was you know he wasn't going to get into any trouble and about the Jewish question talking about in Russia and using this book as a foundation this was published in Russia long before
Starting point is 08:43:16 it was published in English you know and really wasn't officially published in English proving that, you know, this was a place where you can discuss Jews without any fear. There are laws about incitement, but they're actual incitement laws, unlike in Britain. You can't say, I want to start killing them. You can't say that. You can't say that anywhere. Elsewhere, incitement laws are just used to shut people down, but Russia, it's a very different story.
Starting point is 08:43:47 my criticism of Putin is always this concern with the Red Army and the great patriotic war being at this core of his identity. I don't like it. But it's a popular concept in Russia, and he's a politician. I'm the only one who's written a book in English on his political ideology. It came out in the Barnes Review published it in 2012. Russian populist, the political thought of Vladimir Putin. I beg of you to get it. The Barns Review is a place that sells it now.
Starting point is 08:44:20 It's everywhere, I guess. And it goes into greater detail here about all of that. And don't think that Schultznyny's did not affect Putin's developing view of things. It did. He was very much, he was very influential on Putin in his circle's political point of view. And that's a wonderful thing. All right. Episode 100's in the in the can.
Starting point is 08:44:49 We'll come back and we'll start on the Russian-German war in the next episode. Wait, excuse me for one second. I am going to encourage everybody while Dr. Johnson goes and takes care of business. I'm going to encourage everyone to go and donate to Dr. Johnson. Go to the show notes, go to the descriptions in the video, and yeah, take care of him. because he's taking care of us by doing this 100 episodes in, if you haven't donated already, at least a one-off, at least buy one of his books,
Starting point is 08:45:30 buy the new book on Ukraine. Please go ahead and do that. So, all right, Dr. Johnson, I already told everybody to go over and to donate to you, to buy your new book, and we're out of here. We'll come back for episode 101. You don't have all these animals. You never know what crisis is going to happen.
Starting point is 08:45:50 So I apologize for that. That's okay. You didn't hear the cow outside just losing his mind about five minutes ago. No, I didn't. There's a cow outside my window just going, wah, they've been doing it all day. I mean, that's woke me up this morning. Do you know, oh, wow, that's weird.
Starting point is 08:46:15 We just have a cornfield. Oh, yeah, they're not, the cows are not happy. Cats are not happy at all. But, well, what can you do? What can you do with an 800, you really can't argue with an 800 pound animal? Yeah, that's right. That's right. Yeah, it's not my thing.
Starting point is 08:46:35 But thank you. We don't have that around us. We have nothing but cats and dogs that very much have their very, very, very well-developed personalities. And anything could happen at any time. It's a soap opera. Yeah. Well, um, you know, I'm hoping. one day I'll have that well-developed personality too.
Starting point is 08:46:54 Hey, you know, I think you do, but many people don't. And I, you know, these my cats have more personality than most people I've come across. And that I, you could take that to the bank, especially Stanley down here, who still has a move. All right, Dr. Jay. Talk to you in a couple days. Thank you. All right, my friend. Bye-bye.

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