The Pete Quiñones Show - Reading Solzhenitsyn's '200 Years Together' w/ Dr. Matthew Raphael Johnson - Part 111-120

Episode Date: June 7, 2026

Dr. Matthew Raphael Johnson is a researcher, writer, and former professor of history and political science, specializing in Russian history and political ideology.Pete and Dr. Johnson start a project ...in which Pete reads Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's '200 Years Together," and Dr' Johnson provides commentary.Dr Johnson's Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/Fr_Raphael/aboutDr. Johnson's Radio Albion Page - https://www.radioalbion.com/search/label/Matt%20Johnson?&max-results=5THE ORTHODOX NATIONALIST - https://theorthodoxnationalist.wordpress.com/Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I want to welcome everyone back to our reading of 200 years together by Alexander Solzhenison. This is episode number 111. Dr. Johnson, how are you doing today? Well, I'm going to be doing better tomorrow, I think. I'm going to have a procedure I never heard of because I never get sick. The catheterization, my heart, get rid of a few blockages. And I won't look. I'm like I'm hung over all the time, which I seem to look, it seemed to be exhaustion all the time, which comes directly from that. And that should solve all the other problems. So I'm somewhat
Starting point is 00:00:47 looking forward to it, despite it being a medical procedure, anything can happen. But, and of course, if there's any Verset involved, you know, who cares? Verset solves all problems. All right. Well, I'll probably put this out to supporters today. It won't be public for a few days, but I'll put it out to supporters today. And they should know to be in prayer for you tomorrow, which will be Wednesday, the 11th. Yeah, that would be nice. All righty. Picking up where we left off last time. In the West, the official Soviet anti-Semitism began to be referred to as the most pressing issue in the USSR, ignoring any more acute issues and the most prescribed subject. Though there were numerous other prescribed issues such as force collectivization or the surrender of three million Red Army soldiers in the year of 1941 alone or the murderous nuclear
Starting point is 00:01:49 experimentation on our own Soviet troops on the Toskoy range in 1954. Of course, after Stalin's death, the Communist Party avoided explicit anti-Jewish statements. Perhaps they practiced incendiary invitation-only meetings and briefings. That would have been very much in the Soviet style. Solomon Schwartz rightly concludes, quote, Soviet anti-Jewish policy does not have any sound or rational foundation, end quote. The strangulation of Jewish cultural life, quote, appears puzzling. How can such bizarre policy be explained? End quote. Well, he's right, although for the wrong reason.
Starting point is 00:02:35 You know, after Stalin died, the Jewish power, whatever, you know, to the extent that ever drooped at all, came back with grade force. So, you know, and therefore that would cause Andrewson, even within the party. but he doesn't understand that whatsoever. He has no conception of it. He refuses to believe that Jews are a controlling element in many areas of Soviet life, starting from the Revolution on.
Starting point is 00:03:15 He lives in a bubble. He lives in his own world. Now, it is funny, and Shultzhen Eaton is saying this in a funny way, that the Jewish issue is the moment. most pressing issue. And I'm telling you, if you read newspapers from that era, when it came to the Soviet Union, that was the issue in the mid-mid late 50s. And it just shows the power of Jews in this country.
Starting point is 00:03:44 It's the only thing that mattered. There was so many, you know, and he gives a list of things, terrible things that were going on that could go on in totalitarian system. You could do whatever you want in totalitarian system. but this is still a Jewish country whether they like it or not. And the West is going to focus not on the camps, not on the experimentations. And we're just getting into the very beginning of, oh, I don't think I sent it to you. I will today, I promise, the use of psychiatric facilities.
Starting point is 00:04:26 And there they experimented with various drugs. They didn't use animals. They used prisoners. Sometimes that happened in America too, but, you know, that was a regular occurrence in the Soviet Union. That was a particular new way and a nasty way of controlling people. And a doctor would get up and be very pompous and say he has asymptomatic schizophrenia. And he will go, my God, not knowing what he's really talking about. and
Starting point is 00:04:58 but dissent as I said last time dissent was perceived by the medical establishment of course the Soviet establishment as irrational without foundation as Solomon Schwartz says because
Starting point is 00:05:14 they're in paradise they're in the workers' paradise they're in the best run system on the planet dissent from what they're asking. It's just like the ruling class of regime today. They live in their own bubble.
Starting point is 00:05:35 They start believing their own propaganda because they have to. But again, I'll repeat myself. The death of Stalin started the end of the USSR. The rise of these various facts, you didn't have one all-powerful leader who saved the country from Nazism, Germany, whatever. and that gave him an authority that no one else ever had. And to replace him with Khrushchev, of all people,
Starting point is 00:06:07 who could be just, his buffoonery was just, you know, it could be funny, it could be entertaining. But it was embarrassing to the, certainly to the KGB. And then you replace him with another Ukrainian, Brezhnev, who had the charisma of this microphone here. And of course, people were going to start just, you know, and this is when not only did factions form, this is when, you know, high party members started treating themselves.
Starting point is 00:06:43 They did this before, but not to this extent. Started treating themselves like gods, where ordinary workers would, you know, be exploited as they always were in the USSR. but they would have access, the party members would have access to everything, Western medical, capitalist medical medical medical treatment, which they needed sometimes,
Starting point is 00:07:09 all kinds of Western-made products, and they loved it, and no one else had it, all these luxuries, was exposed only later. So, when Cruceft came out and just ripped Stalin apart, despite the fact that he was really ripping
Starting point is 00:07:26 ripping himself apart, although, you know, he must have known that. He was destroying the, he was simply cutting off the branch of the tree was sitting on. That he probably didn't know. Underneath it all, the KGB was kind of running things until they got sick of them. And we'll get to that here soon too. Still, when all living things in the country were being choked, could one really expect that such vigorous and agile people would escape a similar lot? To that, the Soviet foreign policy agendas of the 1960s added their weight.
Starting point is 00:08:10 The USSR was designing an anti-Israel campaign. Thus, they came up with a convenient, ambiguous, and indefinite term of anti-Zionism, which became a sort of Damocles hanging above the entire Jewish population of the country. Campaigning against Zionism in the press became a sort of impenetrable shield, as its obvious anti-Semitic nature became unprovable. Moreover, it sounded menacing and dangerous. Quote, Zionism is the instrument of the American imperialism. So the Jews had to prove their loyalty in one way or another
Starting point is 00:08:46 to somehow convince the people around them that they had no connection to their own Jewishness, especially to Zionism, end quote. And yet, their own people, meaning Jews who were running the Communist Party in the Soviet Union. and they were being persecuted by other Jews. The foundation of Israel and its quote-unquote success through American sponsorship, that wrecked everything for the Soviets.
Starting point is 00:09:18 I don't even know if Stalin could handle it, even though he founded it, because now you had a split identity that every reason to worry about it. Of course, there was never any anti-Semitism officially, but anti-Zionism. This is when they were starting to finance Syria and Iraq and Egypt and anyone else who would be military force against the Israelis, and pretty soon they would prove themselves to be very poor fighters on the battlefield until the last 20 years. but then that just got, you know, Jews excited around the world. Well, you know, so you had the most fanatical Stalinist Jews who were then taking action against Zionists.
Starting point is 00:10:17 And by Zionism, the Soviets meant Jewish nationalism. It's Soviet patriotism at this point. Very Jewish in the sense that they helped create it. but for this separate state now under now using the American taxpayer to to sponsor it you know tail wagging the dog um this this this ruined so much in in Soviet policy foreign or otherwise and uh and again in the West this this was this was a huge issue being being the Zionists in the West was was at this point was obvious you know it was the most wonderful thing in the world. But in the USSR, now you had a nationalist body that helped create this system. But the country is outside of the Soviet Union. A bit of Bizdan obviously didn't work. Crimea didn't work. So what are they going to do? And when the issue of the Jews leaving the USSR became acute, you began realizing just how powerful Jews were in the Soviet Union because even in Eastern Europe they began saying we're losing the whole party.
Starting point is 00:11:42 We can't have them going to Israel. What are you talking about? We'll lose everything. And, you know, very educated and not just, you know, in the humanities, but also in military science. And it became a big deal from here on in. It ruined, the foundation of Israel ruined everything for the U.S. disarm. The feelings of ordinary Jews in the Soviet Union became the feelings of the oppressed as vividly expressed by one of them.
Starting point is 00:12:11 Quote, over the years of persecutions and vilifications, the Jews developed a certain psychological complex of suspicion to any contact coming from non-Jews. In everything, they are ready to see implicit or explicit hints on their nationality. The Jews can never publicly declare their Jewishness, and it is formally accepted that this should be kept silent, as if it were. a vice or a past crime." End quote. An incident in Malikovka in October 1959 added substantially to that atmosphere. On the night of October 4th in Malakovka, a settlement half an hour from Moscow with
Starting point is 00:12:52 30,000 inhabitants, about 10% of whom are Jews, the roof of the synagogue caught fire along with the house of the Jewish cemetery keeper, and the wife of the keeper died in the fire. On the same night, leaflets were scattered and posted across Malakovka, away with the Jews in commerce. We saved them from the Germans, yet they became arrogant so fast that the Russian people do not understand any longer who's living on whose land. End quote. And I guarantee you, as far as a low-level members of the party, this was a, if not a majority position. at least a substantial minority believed this. It was different prior to the war.
Starting point is 00:13:44 The Soviets lost so many people. As far as a battlefield was concerned, it was overwhelmingly Gentiles, which is why they say, you know, we save them from the Germans. And I think the claim here is that that this was some kind of
Starting point is 00:14:06 arson, you know, what you're doing, rabbi kind of thing. I don't know if that's been proven or not. Again, the fact that you have a web of functional synagogues, which are pretty much independent, shows you that they were not being persecuted. They're not being persecuted as Jews, and they function just like any other. Except, you know, the Russian Orthodox, who are now in the camps, unless you were part of this tiny official Soviet-made church body starting in 1944
Starting point is 00:14:45 which was you're having to extol the virtues of materialism this is talk about cognitive dissonance I wouldn't want to be them but I also don't judge them but I think that's the point here is that there's this kind of there's a huge
Starting point is 00:15:06 people don't like the Jews no one really likes the Jews at the time I don't think Jews like the Jews but in this particular case they had an absolute correct foundation to say that you know we did the fighting
Starting point is 00:15:22 in the trenches and you respond with this arrogance now whether or not it was an actual spade of arson I don't know growing depression drove some Jews to such an extreme state of mind as that described by d storman some quote jewish philistines developed a hatred toward israel believing it to be the generator of anti-semitism in the soviet politics i remember the words of one successful jewish teacher
Starting point is 00:15:52 one good bomb dropped on israel would make our life much easier that's exactly what i meant it ruined everything uh And as far as the Soviets are concerned, the fact that they couldn't make that work on Soviet soil. And therefore, it's now being sponsored by the U.S. outside of Israel, outside of the Soviet Union. And that created huge problems. And again, the very fact that that caused huge problems shows the power of the Jews at all eras of the U.S. SSR, right up until the, right up until the 70s. Yet there was an ugly exception indeed.
Starting point is 00:16:39 In general, the rampant's anti-Zionist campaign triggered a quote, consolidation of the sense of Jewishness and people and the growth of sympathy toward Israel as the outposts of the Jewish nation. I don't know if he's saying here that now the majority of Jews are Zionists. I know that in the Western world, that was the case after the war. but by consolidation of the sense of Jewishness towards Israel
Starting point is 00:17:09 now of course you know your Orthodox never liked Zionism or not not Israel Israel was a secular state according to them the Zionists who were living there
Starting point is 00:17:21 in Jerusalem before Israel was put on them didn't like it still don't like it and there's always riots the draft riots you hear about once in a while I don't know how rampant it was but maybe this forced Jews to see Israel differently
Starting point is 00:17:41 the propaganda was entirely anti-Israel from the Soviet press. The Jewish press was another matter and the Jews had the power to have their own press within the party. Remember, the laws passed by Lenin that said anti-Semitism is punishable by law. long prison terms or during warfare, death, were still on the books and they were still being enforced.
Starting point is 00:18:15 This was a different matter. This was a political matter, not an ethnic matter. That quote there, the consolidation of the sense of Jewishness and people and the growth of sympathy toward Israel as the outposts of the Jewish nation. That's from Solomon Schwartz. Okay. There is yet another ex. I'm sorry? That's important to know.
Starting point is 00:18:37 Yeah. There is yet another explanation of the social situation in those years. Yes, under Khrushchev, quote, fears for their lives had become the things of the past for the Soviet Jews, but the foundations of new anti-Semitism had been laid as the young generation of political establishment fought for caste privileges, seeking to occupy the leading positions in arts, science, commerce, finance, etc. There, the new Soviet aristocracy encountered Jews, who's
Starting point is 00:19:09 whose share in those fields was traditionally high. The social structure of the Jewish population, which was mainly concentrated in the major centers of the country, reminded the ruling elite of their own class structure, end quote. So now you have three elements. Jews in relation to the party, Jews in relation to the state, and Jews in relation to their own class structure.
Starting point is 00:19:37 And maybe even a fourth, Jews in relation to the Israelis. Now, the way this is stated here, and I know it's a quote, they're the new Soviet aristocracy. Well, they were a huge part of the new Soviet aristocracy, but still some of this stuff had to be negotiated. There was no question that the Jews were a dominant element under Khrushchev and the
Starting point is 00:20:10 which goes along with the revitalization of the campaign of atheism and the campaign against the church and you know what was left of it was sent to the camps or executed that was no problem though because
Starting point is 00:20:30 the Soviet Union was a part of the World Council of Churches the Rockefeller created ecumenical bodies to exist today. And you had so many stupid people from the Church of England going over there saying, yeah, they saw this Potemkin village of this beautiful cathedral. Then he would go back and say, oh, no, there's no, there's no persecution of Jews of, of, of, of Orthodox there. They had full religious freedom. I even saw a synagogue. And so Western media, who, you know, they're stupid
Starting point is 00:21:05 at their best, mendacious at their worst. only saw the Jewish problem. But there were, you know, of course, there's always going to be a minority that despise the state. But that didn't really show up until months later. But there was no question that the Soviet aristocracy was Roger Judaic. But they had numerous bodies. You know, the party, the state, their own institutions as Jews,
Starting point is 00:21:40 and Israel. to worry about. So even the best of times, that would be the case. Remember, it doesn't take, you don't have to have a majority of Jews on the board of a certain institution for it to be Judaic. Their own sense of cohesiveness is far more powerful than anyone else, especially if they're Russian,
Starting point is 00:22:06 and if Russian nationalism was immediately persecuted and executed right away, these men there were various purges against any kind of the slightest manifestation of Russian nationalism or Ukrainian nationalism
Starting point is 00:22:20 anywhere that was never the case against the Jews and so it is interesting as far as the politics and the sociology of the whole thing and is that
Starting point is 00:22:37 Solomon Swartz 2-71 No, that is E. Finkelstein Jews in the USSR, Country and World, 1989, Volume 1. Okay. All right. Doubtless, such encounters did take place. It was an epic crew change in the Soviet ruling establishment, switching from the Jewish elite to the Russian one. It had clearly resulted in the antagonism, and I remember those conversations among the Jews during Khrushchev's era. They were full of not only ridicule, but also of bad insults with the ex-villagers,
Starting point is 00:23:14 Muschusiks, who have infiltrated the establishment. Okay, Musch, that's a derogatory term for a former, for a peasant. That's pretty much along the lines of Goyim. It doesn't have to be derogatory, but in this case, the way he's using it here, it is. And how dare they challenge us in. in these fields. Yet altogether, all the various social influences combined with the great prudence of the Soviet authorities led to dramatic alleviation of, quote, prevalence of acuteness of modern Soviet
Starting point is 00:23:54 anti-Semitism, end quote, by 1965, which became far inferior to what had been observed, quote, during the war and the first post-war years, and it appears that a marked attention attenuation, maybe even a complete dying out of the percentage quote, is happening. End quote. Overall, in the 1960s, Jewish worldview was rather positive. This is what we consistently hear from different authors. Contrast this to what we just read that the new anti-Semitism grew in strength in the 1960s. The same opinion was expressed again 20 years later, quote,
Starting point is 00:24:35 Cruccizs era was one of the most peaceful periods of the Soviet history for the Jews, end quote. In 1956 to 57, many new Zionist societies sprang up in the USSR, bringing together young Jews who previously did not show much interest in Jewish national problems or Zionism. An important impetus for the awakening of national consciousness among Soviet Jews and for the development of a sense of solidarity with the state of Israel was the Suezsche, crisis. Later, the International Youth Festival, Moscow, 1957, became a catalyst for the revival of the Zionist movement in the USSR among a certain portion of Soviet Jews. Between the festival and the Six Day War, 1967, Zionist activity in the Soviet Union was gradually expanding. Contacts of Soviet
Starting point is 00:25:30 Jews with the Israeli embassy became more frequent and less dangerous. Also, the important of Jewish Samistat increased dramatically. The Jews always, you know, under Stalin, under anybody, had their own institutions within the Soviet state. Sometimes it wasn't liked, but there's not much they could really do about it. But we're getting to the point here where Jews are starting to pull away. And this is an extremely important, I have a paper I'm not quite finished with, basically on the Soviet Union in the 1970s.
Starting point is 00:26:13 And it was a complete an complete alteration of the nature of the Soviet Union because the Jews now saw Israel as part of the West as being wealthier than they were, or at least as the average Soviet citizen was, and by now the
Starting point is 00:26:42 rebuilt capital after the war was getting old and only heavy industry was being promoted not light industry not consumer good and you can't cover that up for long
Starting point is 00:26:59 the West was pulling away so fast and these ads and their the fads the music all of that I don't have it on me, but I have, this is in the 80s, a list of groups that were forbidden, rock groups from the West that were forbidden in the Soviet Union. And it's like one of the most conservative things I've ever seen.
Starting point is 00:27:27 You know, Van Halen was on there because they were completely sexual revolution. They were against a sexual revolution, apparently. Motley Cruz was on there in the early 80s. they mention a kiss as being somehow anti-soviet fanatics which I don't know where that came from they just saw but really what they saw was
Starting point is 00:27:49 Americans being happy with these groups with these bands and being able to do this and of course the Soviets couldn't do it and they just continued to pull away and especially as far as the youth was concerned and the idea of the Soviet you know, Stalin, Stalin was gone. These people here are nothing compared to him in terms of authority, in terms of power.
Starting point is 00:28:15 And there was really no interest in the ruling class. It was pretty easy to make fun of Khrushchev. It was really easy to make fun of Brezhnev. You know, but there's a reason. You read the documents of the today of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. and most of the time you don't realize you're reading a communist publication sometimes
Starting point is 00:28:43 but most of the time it's extremely erasianist, nationalist, right wing stuff that we say not like Republicans say it's anti-libertarian but otherwise they glorify you know Stalin and Lenin
Starting point is 00:29:01 but this is what happens when the Jews were pulling away the Jews were pulling away and therefore you had Bob Seeger being forbidden to go to the Soviet Union because he was too anti-communists.
Starting point is 00:29:17 I don't remember anything that Bob Seeger ever said it was anti-communist. I know Frank Zappa said a few things. That was at the very end. I know the Ramones, Johnny Ramon especially was anti-communist. They weren't even on the list. So they start becoming
Starting point is 00:29:37 conservative in a certain way, in the Soviet context. You start getting a very bizarre situation. The profits for Jews, in other words, were in the Western world. They're moving fast. The technology is moving fast. There's so much money there. Look how well Israel's doing. Look at the victories they're having. And we're stagnant in the Soviet. What are you going to say to Soviet Jews? That's where we're at right now. During the so-called Khrushchev's Thaw period, the end of 1950s to the beginning of the 1960s, Soviet Jews were spiritually re-energized. They shook off the fears and distress of the previous age of the doctor's plot and the persecution of cosmopolitan. It even became fashionable in the Metropolitan Society to be a Jew.
Starting point is 00:30:29 The Jewish motif entered Samistat and poetic so popular among the young. Rima Kazakova even ventured to declare her Jewish identity from the stage. Yovtyshenko quickly caught the air and expressed it in 1961 in his Babayar, proclaiming himself a Jew in the spirit. His poem and the courage of Literaturnaya Gazeta was a literary trumpet call for all of Soviet and world Jewry. Yev Toshenko recited his poem during a huge number of poetic swarays, always accompanied by a roar of applause. After a while, Shastikovic, who often ventured into Jewish themes, set Yveshtoshenko's poem into his 13th symphony. Yet its public performance was limited by the authorities.
Starting point is 00:31:27 Babayar spread among Soviet and foreign juries as a reinvigorating and healing blast of air, a truly, quote, revolutionary act in the development of the social consciousness in the Soviet Union. It became the most significant event since the dismissal of the doctor's plot, end quote. In 1964 to 65, Jewish themes returned into popular literature. Take, for example, summer in Susniaka, Nyaki by Anatoly Rybakov, or the Diary of Masha Rolnik, written apparently under heavy influence of the diary of Van Frick. Frank. Quote, after the ousting of Khrushchev from all his post, the official policy towards Jews was softened somewhat. The struggle against Judaism abated and nearly all restrictions on baking
Starting point is 00:32:19 Motsu were abolished. Gradually, the campaign against economic crimes faded away too. Yet, the Soviet press unleashed a propaganda campaign against Zionist activities among the Soviet Jews and their connections to the Israeli embassy, end quote. all right all right i found it um i i i have to share it with everybody um kiss acedc scorpions talking heads madonna michael jackson there was a specific ban in nineteen eighty five um they they said that black sabbath was uh religious obscurantism um you know heavier bands were causing violence um and and it's just uh it went on and on and on.
Starting point is 00:33:10 It was and the weirdest reasons. You know, they couldn't possibly have heard it, but they heard something. But this was going to affect the Jewish population. Now, that 1985 ban was very real. But was it enforced properly? You know, did it really, you know, could they have
Starting point is 00:33:37 we're getting to the point where you know in 85 of course was we're coming to the end um uh in fact the 1985 band uh the list was was
Starting point is 00:33:52 um specifically 38 groups for the weirdest of reasons they were saying the same things that you know right wingers were saying in the US um it's not satire the B-52s were banned
Starting point is 00:34:09 for promoting violence? The class for the same reason. They claim that KISS was neo-fascist. I think it's because the two S's at the end of their name. ACDC, neo-fascism. Judas Priest, anti-communism and racism. I don't know where that came from. Alice Cooper, violence and vandalism.
Starting point is 00:34:33 The Scorpions violent. UFO for the same reason. Pink Floyd. Distortion of Soviet foreign policy. Talking heads, myth of the Soviet military threat. Donna Summer, eroticism. Tina Turner, sex, meaning promoting a sexual revolution. Van Halen, anti-Soviet propaganda.
Starting point is 00:35:00 I don't know where there was any anti-Soviet propaganda. And Hudeo Iglesias, neo-fascism, Depecheon. was violence, village people in violence, blondie, punk violence, you know. That was it. As far as I know, that's quite real. And it makes sense
Starting point is 00:35:23 when the Jews had long since abandoned that country. And then the Jewish mafia, when you read Friedman's book, which I recommend you do, read Mafia, many of the Jews that formed the early mob came out of the prison system, out of the Goulog system. And they were sent there for, you know, they were on the black market, Zionism, you know, promoting Jewish nationalism against Soviet interests, stuff like that.
Starting point is 00:35:58 So that's how irrational things were getting. You know, and it's just how conservative they were. But just the whole thing is bizarre. I know everything in Van Halen. I've never come across anti-Soviet propaganda in any of them. I think it was just they were happy, and it was about, you know, it was optimistic, not something that the Soviet Union, Soviet kids especially couldn't hear.
Starting point is 00:36:29 I think this hilarious. All right, we're going to cut it right there because we're having connection issues, and plus this will give us just enough to finish up. up this chapter on the next episode. So, yeah, both of us are, both of us are, you're not roboting, but you're delaying. You have a delay in your speech and everything when I'm looking at the video. So we'll just pick this up next time. This has been pretty, this has been the worst.
Starting point is 00:37:00 This has been the worst. I don't know why. My speed is perfectly fine. So I will remind everybody to anybody who's watching. this as I release it today, please pray for Dr. Johnson and the procedure is going through tomorrow and to support Dr. Johnson by going over to the show notes and going over to the video descriptions and buy his new book or join Patreon or just send him some love on Cash App. There's a couple of ways to do that over there and let him know you appreciate him.
Starting point is 00:37:35 And I'll be praying for you, Dr. Johnson, and I will talk to you in a couple days. Thank you. Thank you very much, all of you. I want to welcome everyone back to our reading of 200 years together by Alexander Solzhenison. This is episode number 112. Dr. Johnson, how are you doing? I am doing well. I can honestly say that. No exaggeration.
Starting point is 00:38:06 It's been a rough few months. I thank you personally. but everyone else for the prayers that you've offered up for me. And there's a few more medications I have to get on, which the pharmacy doesn't have. And once I get them, I'm 80%, 85% right now. I'll be 100% after that. So I truly appreciate you guys' concern.
Starting point is 00:38:36 Awesome. Good to hear. Glad to have you back. Glad you made it through. Yep. All righty, picking up where we left off last time. All these political fluctuations and changes in the Jewish policies in the Soviet Union did not pass unnoticed but served to awaken the Jews. In the 1959 census, only 21% Jews named Yiddish as their first language.
Starting point is 00:39:03 In 1926, it was 72%. Even in the 1970s, they used to say that Russian Jewry, which was in the past, the most Jewish Jewelry, in the world became the least Jewish. The current state of Soviet society is fraught with destruction of Jewish spiritual and intellectual potential. Or as another author put it, the Jews in the Soviet Union were neither allowed to assimilate nor were they allowed to be Jews. Yet Jewish identity was never subdued during the entire Soviet period.
Starting point is 00:39:39 The Soviet Union was to a great extent the creation of Jewish intellectuals, not entirely, but it was a creation of Jewish intellectuals. They were extremely secular, and unlike, for example, military dictators from Latin America, who overwhelmingly came from impoverished backgrounds, the Jews in the party came from upper-class background overwhelmingly, usually emmerchants from Ukraine or Belarus, did very, very well, upper middle class. And so clearly, you know, Judaism as such, was never repressed in the Soviet Union. As such, it was never repressed in the Soviet Union.
Starting point is 00:40:34 But as I've said before, Israel's founded largely by the Soviet Union. in 1948, and that's when the wheels came off. It doesn't mean there was any kind of anti-Semitism. And Ropov, as I've said before, was a Jewish head of the KGB, and then eventually became dictator of the USSR. But still, it was Christians that were Orthodox and prison in particular, but Christians in general that were destroyed on a daily basis. In 1966, the official mouthpiece,
Starting point is 00:41:12 Sovitesh Heimland claimed that, quote, even assimilated Russian-speaking Jews retain their unique character distinct from that of any other segment in population, end quote. Not to mention the Jews of Odessa, Kiev and Kharkov, who, quote, sometimes were even snooty about their Jewishness to the extent that they did not want to befriend Agoy, end quote. Okay. Scientist Leo Tumerman, already in Israel in 1977, recalls the early Soviet period, when he used to reject any nationalism. Yet now, looking back at those years, quote,
Starting point is 00:41:51 I am surprised to notice what I had overlooked then. Despite what appeared to be my full assimilation into the Russian life, the entire circle of my close and intimate friends at that time was Jewish. Well, what a shock. And when he uses the word Russian, you know, the basis of Russian culture is orthodoxy. So the only thing he really could be talking about is the language. But he's claiming full assimilation on the one hand, but oh my God, wait a minute.
Starting point is 00:42:24 All my friends were Jewish. This is just, it's a shock to me. The sincerity of his statement is certain. The picture is clear. Such things were widespread and I witnessed similar situations quite a few times. And Russian people did not mind such behavior at all. Another Jewish author notes, in the USSR, quote, Non-religious Jews of all walks of life hand in hand defended the principle of racial purity.
Starting point is 00:42:53 He adds, quote, nothing could be more natural. People for whom the Jewishness is just an empty word are very rare, especially among the unassimilated Jews, end quote. This is the key issue. And not just in the USSR or Russia or anywhere. else. There's only one nation in the world according to the Jews, and it's them. Everyone else should be in chaos, intermixing and everything. But to promote ethnocentrism as a Jew anywhere is accepted and considered praiseworthy. You do that for other people who might not be in favor
Starting point is 00:43:39 at the time. The regime always used to do with Albanians, another doing it with Ukrainians. But any other group you're going to be looked at strangely, especially if you're white or white ethnicity or orthodoxy or Catholicism. And that just speaks to the power that they have, like they continue to have.
Starting point is 00:44:03 They had it then and they have it now. How could there be any possible oppression of Jews. And we hear words like this. Natanzh Sharanski's testimonial, given shortly after his immigration to Israel, is also typical. Quote, much of my Jewishness was instilled into me by my family. Although our family was an assimilated one, it nevertheless was Jewish. My father, an ordinary Soviet journalist, was so fascinated with the revolutionary ideas of happiness for all and not just for the Jews, that he became an absolutely loyal Soviet citizen.
Starting point is 00:44:44 End quote. Yet in 1967 after the Six-Day War and later in 1968 after Czechoslovakia, quote, I suddenly realized an obvious difference between myself and non-Jews around me, a kind of sense of the fundamental difference between my Jewish consciousness and the national consciousness of the Russians. Russians weren't allowed to have a national consciousness at the time. Russia was exploited beyond belief. It was the one place.
Starting point is 00:45:17 I've said this a thousand times, but it's important to look at the Leningrad affair because it was based on some vague form of Russian nationalism, despite the fact that they were Stalinists. there is no Russian national consciousness at the time. It wasn't permitted. It was called Black Hundred National Chauvinism or something like that. Jews were completely different. And it's true that as Israel really, you know, these wars that they won,
Starting point is 00:45:51 little tiny Israel defeating these much larger states backed by the USSR, by the way, created this tremendous pride. And the key issue is that the Soviet Union and Israel were on different sides. So if you're a Soviet, so-called assimilated, a Soviet Jew, you have to make a choice. There were hardcore Stalinists that rejected Israel and all that stuff. But you have people like him who, you know, their ideas changed. people weren't even certain if Israel was going to make it in the first few years after 1948
Starting point is 00:46:33 but only did they make it but they defeated all their enemies and this is when the IDF got this they don't have it anymore but the IDF got this aura of invincibility about them
Starting point is 00:46:51 they could take on three much larger states at once and win And I don't think that he suddenly realized there was a difference between myself and non-Jews around me. I don't think that was – I think he's exaggerating there a little bit. And there is a fundamental difference between my Jewish consciousness and the national consciousness of anybody else. But the one place that was not allowed to have it was Russia. And here is another very thoughtful testimonial from 1975. Quote, the efforts spent over the last hundred years by Jewish intellectuals to reincarnate themselves into the Russian national form were truly titanic. Yet it did not give them balance of mind. On the contrary, it rather made them to feel the bitterness of the binational existence more acutely. And they have an answer to the tragic question of Alexander Block. Quote, my Russian life, my Russia, my life, are we to drudge
Starting point is 00:47:56 through life together, to the question to which a Russian as a rule gives an unambiguous answer. A member of Russian Jewish intelligentsia used to reply, sometimes after self-reflection, quote, no, not together, for the time being, yes, side by side, but not together. A duty is no substitute for motherland. And so the Jews felt free from obligations at all sharp turns of Russian history. That last line is vague. Obligations to the Russian and the Soviet Union. We know they had no obligations to Russia, but to the Soviet Union, maybe it was a different
Starting point is 00:48:37 story. I think the anti-Zionists, well, I'm sorry, I know that the anti-Zionists in USSR at the time were becoming a majority, and not just there. you know, we're talking about 1975 here. This is a very different time. Things had changed radically. Older Soviet capital was not profitable. The Jews needed to look elsewhere, and they saw it in places like the U.S.,
Starting point is 00:49:17 the huge money that was going into Israel, not just from, from assistance, but from Germany had to pay these reparations. Of course, they had their Rothschilds behind them, which he was quite aware of. And Jews have this tendency. They are aware of, you know, one side is declining,
Starting point is 00:49:42 another side is rising. You need to go to the other side. And that's why Israel was such a huge problem. And by 1975, and as soon as I'm done with this essay, I'll send it to you. It's very important. Jews had separated largely from the Soviet Union, sometimes physically and certainly mentally.
Starting point is 00:50:06 So I think that's what he means. Jews felt free from obligations. That this isn't the Soviet Union anymore. This isn't my country anymore. Lekinder Block, who I've read tremendously, over the years was well aware of these issues. He was a symbolist poet,
Starting point is 00:50:32 excellent writer. But, you know, I want to point something out that I didn't point out the last time. In the previous paragraph, the revolutionary ideas of happiness for all, that was never, ever mentioned in any of the writings of any of the leaders of the USSR ever, ever, ever, ever, ever.
Starting point is 00:50:55 Happiness? That's such a strange way to put it. Maybe it's a strange translation, but happiness for all was not concerned. Marxism, everything is inevitable. Everything is as follows a scientific pattern. You have really no choice. But I don't, happiness for all, I've never heard that phrase. used seriously by any of the great revolutionary writers in the early USSR.
Starting point is 00:51:28 That's something that they simply created. Fair enough. One can only hope for all Russian Jews to get such clarity and acknowledge this dilemma. Yet usually the problem in its entirety is blamed on anti-Semitism. Quote, excluding us from everything genuinely Russian, their anti-Semitism simultaneously barred us from all things Jewish. Anti-Semitism is terrible, not because of what it does to the Jews by imposing restrictions on them, because of what it does to the Jews by turning them into neurotic, depressed, stressed, and defective human beings, end quote.
Starting point is 00:52:06 Damn. That came out of nowhere. I don't know specifically what are you talking about. I'm going to look and see who quoted that while you'll comment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. that's from. Again, by 1975, it's somewhat believable, but those laws against anti-Semitism were still on the books and they were still enforced. You still had trials.
Starting point is 00:52:31 People still want to prison because of it. And Drapov and Brezhnev, they were trying to revive the old Stalinist concept. you know, but there was no going back, unfortunately, for them. And but there certainly were no substantial restrictions, and I don't think that that's what turned them into neurotic, depressed, stressed, and defective human beings. If that was the case, Russians would be absolutely off the charts. It says it's from V. Bogoslovsky, titled Galuto, with, Hope, volume 22, written in 1985, number 40, page 134 and 133 and 134.
Starting point is 00:53:28 I think I'm familiar with him. Some kind of journal, probably, if I were to guess. Yeah, I'm not familiar with that. Okay. Still, those Jews who had fully woken up to their identity were very quickly, completely, and reliably cured from such a morbid condition. Jewish identity in the Soviet Union grew stronger as they went through the historical ordeals predestined for Jewry by the 20th century. First, it was a Jewish catastrophe during the Second World War, though through the efforts of official Soviet muffling and obscuring Soviet Jewry only comprehended its full scope later.
Starting point is 00:54:10 another push was given by the campaign against cosmopolitans in 1949 through 1950. Then there was a serious threat of a massacre by Stalin, eliminated by his timely death. And with Khrushchev's thaw and after it, later in the 1960s, Soviet Jewry quickly awoke spiritually, already sensing its unique identity. This is, it's amazing how they think, because this is Solzhenitin writing, but he's reflecting, you know, Jewish literature at the time. Cosmopolitan often meant Jewish. But if there's one group of people who were not cosmopolitan, it would be a Zionist. What it comes down to, what cosmopolitan comes down to is a real.
Starting point is 00:55:07 that Jews are fanatical nationals, which to some extent is okay. But the problem is they despise nationalism of anyone around them, and they will do anything and everything, you know, immigration, whatever it is, divide and rule, divide and conquer, to keep it from developing in others. Massacre by Stalin, I don't think so. in fact Schulz and Eton laid that out
Starting point is 00:55:40 a few chapters ago and yeah his death was always always timely and the thaw you know part of the thaw was being very image conscious
Starting point is 00:55:53 with the with the West the West wanted to well they were always very image conscious but the thaw was you know
Starting point is 00:56:04 this is why you know Shultz and Eatson got even though it was later you know was not shot by Goryev was not shot they just were dumped in the west that would be
Starting point is 00:56:15 terrible optics by them and it's funny that Khrushchev renewed the well there was always attacks on the Orthodox Church anywhere it was found it was destroyed unless it was connected with this tiny little patriarchate in Moscow um
Starting point is 00:56:34 but that's the renewal of the shooting of priest and monks, when hand in hand with, and occurred at the same time, with Soviet jewelry awakening, sensing its unique identity. I don't think that's a coincidence. During the second half of the 1950s, quote, the growing sense of bitterness spread over large segments of Soviet jewelry led to consolidation of the sense of national solidarity, end quote. But, quote, only in the late 1960s did a very small but committed group of scientists, note they were not humanitarian, the most colorful figure among them was Alexander Voronel,
Starting point is 00:57:20 begin rebuilding of Jewish national consciousness in Russia, end quote. And then against the nascent national consciousness of Soviet Jews, the Six-Day War suddenly broke out and instantly ended in what might have seemed a miraculous victory. Israel had ascended in their minds and Soviet Jews awoke to their spiritual inconsanguous kinship with Israel. Yeah, this is, you know, it's still so twisted to me that these Khazars, speaking, you know, Yiddish, just march into the Middle East and claim that this is our identity. This is where we're from. it had to have known that this is that this is nonsense but it just goes to show that the Soviet press
Starting point is 00:58:13 didn't lie they didn't say that it was a great great Arab victory but they told the truth now they may have editorial it's typical of proffa you know they would they would usually tell the truth but then they would editorialize you know Israeli American America's puppet
Starting point is 00:58:32 defeated the Arabs and it shows you that we have to be more self-conscious to fight this development of imperialism or something like that. I would, in terms of factual, the simple facts, I would trust proff the over any American newspaper, major American newspaper. It's just that they would always at the end editorialize and tell you what to think about it. But this racial concept, which they mentioned, yeah, the foundation of Israel ruined everything. I mean, it was tenuous to begin with, but it ruined everything. And once, you know, it wasn't just that the U.S. gave them a better deal. Israel a better deal. And with pumping huge amounts of money in there.
Starting point is 00:59:25 It was just that it was in addition the radical separation of the, Soviet way of life, the American way of life, at the U.S., Britain were shooting ahead specifically at this time. Now, it's not the only reason why Jews separated from the Soviet Union, but it was a big part of it. And there was now Zionism was taking over. Before we first started talking about it, it was like six guys. now it's this it's everywhere
Starting point is 01:00:06 this is not something that Moses has so they've predicted or anything like that this was something brand new and yeah racial solidarity they always had racial solidarity but after the six day war that just was put on steroids but the Soviet authorities
Starting point is 01:00:22 furious at Nassar's disgraceful defeat immediately attacked Soviet Jews with the thundering campaign against the quote Judeo-Zionist fascism, end quote, insinuating that all the Jews were Zionists and claiming that the, quote, global conspiracy of Zionism, end quote, is the expected and inevitable product of the entirety of Jewish history, Jewish religion, and the resultant Jewish national character. And because of the consistent pursuit of the ideology of racial supremacy and apartheid, Judaism turned out to be a very
Starting point is 01:00:57 convenient religion for securing world dominance, end quote. This is why the 1970s in Moscow were just completely different than the 30s, 40s, 50s. You had high-ranking people talking like this. You had major newspapers talking like this. Even today, you go to the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, for example. I have many times, and you read some of their analysis of World of World of, events and you think that it's like one of us speaking, you know, until you get to the end. And then the last sentence is that's why we need to return to the ideals of Lenin, which doesn't make any sense.
Starting point is 01:01:45 But this kind of thing, the party was realizing that the Jews didn't want to be there anymore. but it was very difficult for them. They had so many, you know, it wasn't a huge part of the population, but what was there was generally elite. As I said before, they didn't want anybody with, you know, military knowledge or secret, you know, clearance, just up and going. What about their education, which we paid for? Which now is going to be put at the service of the West. But racial supremacy apart? This was unheard of before.
Starting point is 01:02:31 and how it's a convenient religion. Well, it does make sense. And this is something that you would find in a lot of different major newspapers in the Soviet Union. And it's true. And much as I admire Nasser, his ideological approach was actually social nationalism 100%. His defeat was absolutely disgraceful. But it gave Jews his sense that there's miracles going on. and it just so happens that we're at a period where there's no profitability left in Soviet capital.
Starting point is 01:03:07 Things are starting to fall apart. Things are starting to get older. There's no consumer market or anything like that. But maybe we need to leave. And now you have a huge problem for the USSR, again, proving how important Judaism was to the Soviets. The campaign on TV and in the press was accompanied by a dramatic, break of diplomatic relations with Israel. The Soviet Jews had many reasons to fear. Quote, it looked like it was going to come to calls for a pogrom, end quote. But underneath this
Starting point is 01:03:46 scare, a new and already unstoppable explosion of Jewish national consciousness was growing and developing. Quote, bitterness, resentment, anger, and the sense of social insecurity were accruing for a final breakup, which would lead to a complete severing of all ties with this country and the society to emigration, end quote. The victory of the Israeli army contributed to the awakening of national consciousness among the many thousands of almost completely assimilated Soviet Jews. The process of national revival had begun. The activity of Zionist groups and cities all across the country surged.
Starting point is 01:04:28 In 1969, there were attempts to create a united Zionist organization in the USSR. An increasing number of Jews applied to emigrate. to Israel. That's all one quote. Yeah, and I can't stress how significant this is. It's uncomfortable for Western intellectuals to talk about because it proves that
Starting point is 01:04:50 Soviet communism was very Jewish. Marxism in general is very Jewish. The left is very Jewish. But, as I've said before, you have very important people now wanting to leave. Now, the Soviet Union doesn't their homeland anymore.
Starting point is 01:05:11 Stalin, yeah, Stalin defeated Germany. Wonderful. That was a long time ago. We have a new patron now. And you really can't blame them for it. Again, I want to be consistent. You know, I'm an ethnic nationalist. I've always been.
Starting point is 01:05:29 You can't separate. The Jews certainly are allowed to have that. Just not the way that they do it. not the way Israel functions. But you really can't blame them for it. You can't really blame them for seeing this. Zionism at the time meant alliance with the U.S. There's no getting out of it
Starting point is 01:05:51 because the U.S. was finding. American Jews, British Jews, were spending a fortune on Israel, arming it and, you know, there's no getting out of it. And so it wasn't paranoid for the Soviets for the KGB, even though you had Jewish members to start wondering, you know,
Starting point is 01:06:11 do we have a, do we have an enemy within? A pogrom is a little bit dramatic, you know. But it's, it's, you know, you can't blame the Jews in the one hand. You can't blame the Soviets on the other. By the way, this is, this is a milieu where Putin came from. A little bit later. Soviet patriotism against Zionism, against Jewish nationalism and racial supremacy. People coming from the KGB from high ranks in the army.
Starting point is 01:06:47 This was the ideological ferment of the time. Zionist in the one hand, Soviet nationalist on the other, with big air quote, whatever that might mean. And in my book, Russian populist on the ideology of Vladimir Putin, I go into this in some detail. And I'm glad, Solzhen Eaton confirms it. And it's,
Starting point is 01:07:12 but it's true, although you certainly, you can't blame either side, given the, given the contact. After, and the numerous refusals to grant exit visas
Starting point is 01:07:22 led to the failed attempt to hijack an airplane on June 15, 1970. The following dim shits, Kuznetsoff, hijacking affair can be considered
Starting point is 01:07:33 a historic landmark in the fate of Soviet Jewery. Yeah, I know a thing or two about that. We get into it in the next chapter, really. Very unfortunate name. But this is something that all Jews were following. They did try to hijack a plane. And they were caught. They were executed. This is something that only the most hardcore Stalinist Jew living in the Soviet Union could have been, you know, could have supported. Our people, people on our side, the nationalist side often don't realize that the Jews had made their split with, this was happening anyway, but then the hijacking affair, there was a lot of anger about that. And that's for the next chapter. leave. He wouldn't just leave us hang in there. But yeah, and the next chapter is entitled
Starting point is 01:08:46 Breaking Away from Bolivism. This is, this is, you know, this is one of the key events of the 20th century. This is, this is world defining. This isn't just some academic issue here. And I think on the next, the next episode. I'll talk more about that hijacking, but they were doing all kinds of things like that. A bit later on, the Jewish Defense League was setting bombs off at the Soviet embassy in the U.S. and Britain.
Starting point is 01:09:28 Anything to harm the USSR. The Jewish Defense League supported the U.S. in the Vietnam War, which is, you know, which is odd, but it hurt the USSR that the U.S. were involved. That's all it took. And the neocons came into their own now. The neocons really came into their own,
Starting point is 01:09:55 given all of this and the success of the Israeli experiment, so to speak. And, well, unfortunately, the only group of people who are, we're not allowed to be nationalists, we're Russians. All righty. That was a short one so that we could finish up this chapter. And like you said, the next chapter is chapter 24, breaking away from Bolshevism. And we will start that one on the next episode.
Starting point is 01:10:27 All righty, remind everyone, go over to the show notes and go over to the links in the descriptions in the video descriptions. And please support Dr. Johnson's work. go to the Patreon. There's ways you can support him directly. Also buy his new book. That's another way of supporting him. And let him know that you've appreciated what he's done here.
Starting point is 01:10:51 We are getting close to being done. So if you haven't, yeah, if you haven't shown your support for Dr. Johnson, please do it now. Yes, please. I appreciate those who have. And you have a great listener base. Pete, you really do. And they've been quite generous. Absolutely.
Starting point is 01:11:14 They're the best. I mean, yeah. I yell at them often. I berate them often. But it's only because I love them so much. Yeah, like a drill sergeant, you know. Yeah. What you do.
Starting point is 01:11:31 Yeah. Yeah. We just, I think sometimes we, even I do it, I fail to stop living. in reality and I start living inside my head and it's like, all right, break out, break out realities out here and we have to see things for what they are. Well, you know, I think that's more the case for our opponents than us or you personally. We can fall into it. Yeah, yeah, it's quite possible.
Starting point is 01:12:02 I understand. But our enemies live in a complete bubble. and just understand that someone like me, I know the leftist arguments inside and out. I went to grad school, Missouri, St. Louis, Nebraska Lincoln, all leftist professors, usually from the Ivy League. You know, they laid it all out. But are a point of view, especially our intellectual point of view,
Starting point is 01:12:34 they don't know at all. They're not subject to it. They're censored. You can't get it on Google unless you really, know where you're going. And so when they hear us, they get hit because I get hit with a truck. And the reaction is either, in my experience, is either total anger, you know, censorship, get rid of this guy. Or in some cases, in some cases, you know, please explain yourself. So I become a better professor or a better, better scholar. You know, I told you before the one place I got thrown out, the one man who's deported me was Jewish professor there.
Starting point is 01:13:20 So, you know, they didn't think I'd done anything wrong. It really just depends. But that's, you know, and we're hitting people with a ton of bricks here. I'm very, very happy to be a part of it. Thank you. So it's you in a couple days. all right my friend bye bye I want to welcome everyone back to our reading
Starting point is 01:13:40 of 200 years together by Alexander Solzhenyson this is episode 113 Dr. Johnson how are you doing today? I had a stink bug fall into my cratum bag and I
Starting point is 01:13:56 took him out he's been wandering around staring at his at his life he never saw before he's wandering around like he's totally wasted I could tell him what's when it is because he's green. He's my buddy now. He's just, he's completely out of it. He wants me to put him back in. I'm not going to do it. But, yeah, this house is so animal-centered
Starting point is 01:14:19 that even the stink bugs have a life. I'm feeling great. And I'm ready to get at this. As you know, this is one of my big topics recently. It's totally neglected. And if anyone wants to know how stink bugs react to Kratum, I'm the man to come to. Amazing. Amazing. You should write a paper on that. All right.
Starting point is 01:14:46 Chapter 24, here we go. Breaking away from Bolshevism. At the beginning of the 20th century, Europe imagined itself to be on the threshold of worldwide enlightenment. No one could have predicted the strength with which nationalism would explode in that very century among all nations of the world. 100 years later, it seems now. Nationalist feelings are not about to die soon.
Starting point is 01:15:08 The very message to international socialists have been trying to drum into our heads for the whole century, but instead are gaining strength. I love the fact that both capitalism and Marxism, first of all, they're identical when it comes to the future of nationalism. Nationalism is the enemy of both ideologies, one of the many things they have in common. The Marxist part, the Lenin's point of view, was once we get all of the republic, especially the, you know, third world republics, into equalized with Russia, at Russia's expense, of course. Nationalism will disappear. In other words, the only reason nationalism exists in his mind is for economic reasons, of course, in that they're poor than their neighbors, and nationalism is a way to build strength.
Starting point is 01:15:52 Well, he's right, and the half of that. But no matter how much they invested in these areas, nationalism still grew and grew. We talked about Karl Marx in the Jewish question, which really centers around. Marx's doctrine on free trade. And it was very clear. He said, but no Marxist revolution can take place unless free trade breaks down all national boundaries. That's what free trade is for.
Starting point is 01:16:21 International corporations or whatever it is are going to equalize across borders. We're going to eliminate borders for this in their interest to eliminate borders. It'll be one price for labor, one price of everything. And even Stalin started talking about what a universal language. Actually, I could quote them, a universal language would sound like. All of these predictions, not one of them came true. That's what happens when you, you know, these are sister ideologies and nationalism not only has thrives, but has largely taken over. Part of the reason the Soviet Union fell apart, not the main reason, but a reason the USSR fell apart.
Starting point is 01:16:57 And so all the predictions about the demise of nationalism, some going on for years, decades, have all failed and it remains I mean national socialism meaning you know you are there's a strong communal sense in economics you know guilds and unions and stuff like that but welded together
Starting point is 01:17:19 through the idea of the ethnos as a family you had a lot of that in the third world in the 1960s and 70s no one called it national social but that's what it was national socialism doesn't necessarily mean you're the Third Reich
Starting point is 01:17:34 or its policies. Just like you could be a socialist doesn't mean you're a Stalinist. For those who don't quite get it, there's many forms of national social or social nationalism out there. And it's basically the point of view of so much of the Third World, like Nasser, the Assad family,
Starting point is 01:17:53 Putin, Lukashenko, so many others, they realize that some version of socialism, especially, you know, Korea is another one. North Korea is another one. It doesn't work at any level unless there is a, first of all, it can't be totally centrally planned. And there has to be a strong sense of patriotism and nationalism and history. Bolsheviks, of course, tried to destroy any sense of history, anything, blew up everything. Everything could. They named that, you know, just like the left in America, thinking that that was going to do damage. And it didn't. In fact, it took over. They did everything in their power to destroy Russian nationalism. Stalin especially and try as they might sending these guys to the gulag didn't matter. And now nationalism is, I think, ascendant all over the world. And we see what the regime's reaction to that is.
Starting point is 01:18:47 It was perfectly okay when the Soviet Union had gulags and was killing millions of people. That was all right. No sanctions, no nothing. The minute Putin adopted some version of social nationalism with a Eurasianist edge to it, Chinese did the same thing. Now war is coming. Before it was okay. Now it's war. And that proves that the regime has one enemy, and that is nationalism.
Starting point is 01:19:16 Yet, does not the multinational nature of humanity provide variety and wealth? Erosion of nations surely would be an impoverishment for humanity, the entropy of the spirit. And centuries of the histories of national cultures would then turn into irredeemably dead and useless antics. the logic that it would be easier to manage such a uniform mankind fails by its petty reductionism. A lot of the same people who claim, and I was in grad school, we had to read people like Eric Hobbsbaum, whose whole thing was that nationalism doesn't exist, there's no nations. It's all in the imagination. And one of my feces that I developed back then was, you know, if there are no nations,
Starting point is 01:19:57 that means what's the problem with imperialism? imperialism exists is bad because it just it harms nations it takes over that's the problem it's no nations and knows this thing is imperialism you have nowhere to stand to condemn imperialism if nations don't really exist these people believe in abstractions like the international community which in my mind doesn't exist it's totally made up in their imagination but actual functioning nations they refuse to accept as as real they have all of the individual and human rights that's all real but a nation. Again, it's the ultimate threat to these people. Hobbesbaum, of course, is Jewish. The book Benedict Anderson's imagined communities became very famous, mostly about Indonesia,
Starting point is 01:20:41 but it has full implications everywhere else. Nationalism is in academia is always considered a myth in the sense that it's largely in people's imagination, you know, poets and writers,
Starting point is 01:20:57 but doesn't have any objective reality. That's what myth means in this case. It's supposed to give you the impression that it doesn't exist at all, but if you impress them, they oppress them, that's what they'll come up with. Now, there are academic nationalist.
Starting point is 01:21:13 They tend to be Jewish, and they tend to accept the genetic understanding of how peoples as comes into existence. No surprise that they're Jewish. Partially they can get away with it, partially because they have a strong interest in this. But as far as non-Jewish writers, it's out of the question.
Starting point is 01:21:29 and it's one of the things that got me into trouble. To this day, I guarantee you, I can go to the university up the street, and they'll tell me nationalism is at its end. It's going to die. They'll be saying this until they're in the grave. It's that it won't let it go. And yet, the more they say it, the more it rises. And it shows an each one is correct here.
Starting point is 01:21:49 You know, national cultures are, you know, some that I don't understand because I don't really, I'm not a part of it. Once you learn a culture and you kind of are immersed in it, it's a wonderful feeling, when you're an American that doesn't know what culture is. People are frightened of it. People say that, oh, Ukrainians, they worship Ukraine. This is years ago when I was with the Ukrainian in Lincoln. And I said, you're so alienated that you think any real cultural life is somehow oppressive and frightening. This is normal. Your life is abnormal. And I think this is what Solzhen Eastern is getting.
Starting point is 01:22:23 That's one of the reasons that they started attacking him when he came to America. However, the propaganda in the Soviet Empire harped nonstop in an unfortunately triumphant manner about the imminent withering away and amalgamation of nations, proclaiming that no national question exists in our country and that there is certainly no Jewish question. Anti-Jewish stuff on, sorry, but anti-Jewish issues are on the law books, though, in USSR. It's the only nation that you can't insult. you know the national question was a central issue when they proclaimed that it was for propaganda purposes they definitely knew that this was probably the biggest problem they have politically speaking oh i have a prediction to make by the way it's going to take us a long time to get through this chapter we'll see how it goes yet why should not the jewish question exists the question of
Starting point is 01:23:18 the unprecedented three thousand year old existence of the nation scattered all over the earth had spiritually soldered together despite all notions of the state and territoriality, and at the same time influencing the entire world history in the most lively and powerful way. Why should there not be a Jewish question, given that all national questions come up at one time or other, even the Gagal's question, a small Christian Turkic people who lived in the Balkans and Eastern Europe? Yeah, you know, he had, I think closer to his death, he understood, the Khazar issue. He could possibly mean
Starting point is 01:23:59 actual imaginary connection over 3,000 years. We all know that the overwhelming majority of Jews have no connection with the Israelites. We're the Israelites. Spiritually and in every other way. Or the Orthodox
Starting point is 01:24:15 in my opinion are the last guardians of the Old Testament. Catholic traditionalists say the same thing. Not certainly not today's Jews that despise the Old Testament. But Solzhenitin, what he's saying here, despite his error, is that, you know, I always, despite our criticism of the Jews, they do show us the way in terms of solidarity. There is nothing wrong with Jews having their own state and having the wrong. We can't be inconsistent there, just not the way that it exists today.
Starting point is 01:24:51 but even Hitler wanted them to have their own state. But if we're reaching that kind of solidarity would be a wonderful both ethnically, especially ethnically, we don't have that anymore. Instead, the regime installs governments that do everything in their power to destroy this. And even if you got tiny Turkic people, they may join with someone else,
Starting point is 01:25:17 they're not big enough to survive. Or if they are, should be protected. Any self-conscious ethnic group that has an objective history as an ethnic group certainly has a responsibility, not a right, but a responsibility and a duty
Starting point is 01:25:33 to create some set of institutions armed that serves to protect the history of this people. I don't care how minor they are. If you ever heard of them or not, it doesn't matter. They all do. It can't be a made-up group, and it has to be subjective.
Starting point is 01:25:49 People have to agree that we're this extended family. Nationalism has been my obsession, of course, since I was in my 20s. That's why it's going to take a long time to get through this. I have no problem with a Jewish state
Starting point is 01:26:07 somewhere. Needed to the Union of the Russian people. This is not exactly the ideal problem. Not that it will not to be around much longer, as we all know. But the way that they have made themselves viable has been absolutely immorals we all know. And the Iranians, well, they may see to that, see to its end at one point. They've already won this thing. But regardless of that, I don't care who you are, you certainly have a right to a state and to an independent existence, just not at someone else's expense.
Starting point is 01:26:42 Of course, no such silly doubt could ever arise if the Jewish question were not the focus of many different political games. The same was true for Russia, too. In pre-revolutionary Russian society, as we saw, it was the omission of the Jewish question that was considered anti-Semitic. In fact, in the mind of the Russian public, the Jewish question, understood as the question of civil rights or civil equality, developed into perhaps the central question of the whole Russian public life of that period, and certainly into the central note of the conscience of every individual.
Starting point is 01:27:15 It's acid test. With the growth of European socialism, all national issues were increasingly recognized as merely regrettable obstacles to that great doctrine. All the more was the Jewish question, directly attributed to capitalism by Marx, considered a bloated hindrance. Momsin wrote that in the circles of Western Russian socialist Jewry, as he put it, even the slightest attempt to discuss the Jewish question was branded as reactionary and anti-Semitic. This was even before the Bund. Well, some things never change, as we all know. And I'm very happy that we had a chance to talk about Karl Marx and his Udayan Fragma. For listeners who haven't heard it yet, it's somewhere in your archives, I take it.
Starting point is 01:28:02 We spent a whole show on that. It's a difficult early essay, before the Communist Manifesto, in fact, by Marx. Most people don't talk about it, partially because today in the university, they're very uncomfortable with it. And partially because it's not understood. It's not the easiest essay to read. It's a response to Bruno Bauer and his question of the Jewish. I could have sworn for decades. I thought Bruno Bauer was a Jew.
Starting point is 01:28:28 I could have sworn, but he's not. But he is an interesting writer. He's a weirdo atheist. But that was influential on his day. I recommend going back to that talk. Or I'm pretty sure my article on the Jewish question from Marx is somewhere on your site. I did send it to you. I'm pretty sure.
Starting point is 01:28:48 We're getting to that here. And we know that, you know, even the word Jew, you say the word Jew in public, it's automatically seen as suspicious. You have to go over, you know, Jewish people, Jewish nation, whatever it is. And so nothing has changed here. It's the same thing, except at least in America, we don't go to the Gulag for saying. In Britain and EU, you do. Thank God for Russia. If it's a scholarly work, you know, you're okay.
Starting point is 01:29:16 same thing for Belarus Iran Iran's very fair about that kind of thing there's a small Jewish society there very patriotic very pro
Starting point is 01:29:26 Tehran but the Jewish point of view seems to be I think most of us know Kevin McDonald all this that they're a nation
Starting point is 01:29:37 everyone else isn't they're a nation and any national talk by anyone else especially Russians is seen as a threat our episode on Marx's Juden the Frog is episode 1247 and I link in the show notes to your essay on it. So I'll make sure that it's, yeah, I'll make sure that it's there.
Starting point is 01:30:04 All right. Such was the iron standard of socialism inherited by the USSR. From 1918, the communists forbade under threat of imprisonment or death. any separate treatment or consideration of the Jewish question, except sympathy for their sufferings under the Tsars and positive attitudes for their active role in communism. The intellectual class voluntarily and willingly adhered to the new canon while others were required to follow it. No other group got this sort of treatment, including minority. We talked about this before.
Starting point is 01:30:37 The Armenians were an excellent counter-example. They were a nationalist group, very heroic peoples. They did very well. They had a strong merchant class. They were Christians, but they were heretics. They're monophysites. So that commonality is out of the question. And yet nothing ever happened to them.
Starting point is 01:30:59 They never had this attitude. And they had their own, you know, Holocaust and all that stuff. All that, very similar. And yet they don't, it's the counter example to the Jews. Only this one group of people gets this contemptible treatment over the millennia. Not Armenians, but Jews. And it comes from the Talmud. It comes from there.
Starting point is 01:31:23 Arrogance here we have any separate treatment. And we're talking about under imprisonment or death? Death is usually during wartime. Gulag for saying something that the Jews didn't like in the Soviet. No other group got this. And I love this positive attitude to their active role in communism. you can talk about Jews all day long, you know, and mostly the intellectual class did voluntarily and willingly do it, but there were others who knew better, but they just went along because
Starting point is 01:31:54 they didn't want to lose their job and go to prison. This cast of thought persisted even through the Soviet-German war as if even then, there was no, there was not any particular Jewish question. And even up to the demise of the USSR and the Gorbachev, the authorities used to repeat hard-headedly, no, there is no Jewish question. No, no, no. It was replaced by the Zionist question. Yet already by the end of the World War II, when the extent of the destruction of the Jews under Hitler had dawned on the Soviet Jews, and then through Stalin's anti-cosmopolitan campaign in the late 1940s, the Soviet intelligentsia realized that the Jewish question in the USSR does exist, and the pre-revolutionary understanding that it is central to Russian society and to the conscience of every individual. and that it is the true measure of humanity was also restored.
Starting point is 01:32:51 None of this is any surprise to anyone. You still had plenty of Jews in the Soviet Union that were Stalinists, who rejected any kind of Zionism until 1948, when Grimico did that famous speech at the UN, trying to establish the state of Israel, and it was the Soviets. It was Stalin, who gave the go-ahead for it. The U.S. remained hesitant.
Starting point is 01:33:18 It only had that relationship lasted a few years. But to this day, there used to be the old generation who, you know, the old kibbutzum used to have Stalin's pictures up in it and everything. And the cosmopolitan issue was not necessarily directed at Jews as this has nothing to do with nationalism. There were issues concerning international trade. Anything cosmopolitan, that was a very complicated issue. issue. Late 1940s was the establishment of Israel. So the true measure of humanity, that was also part of Soviet ideology. And Stalin accepted it. Zionism, you had non-Jews who were Zionists, you had plenty of Jews who were anti-Zionists. Things changed after Hitler in World War II. But the problem of mass migration really did. develop until later. And in fact, that's the concept of this chapter. We're coming to the 1970s, roughly, where the Jews then disengage from the Soviet Union. By the early 80s, it's
Starting point is 01:34:28 really hard to say that the Soviet Union is a Jewish state anymore, even though you had one Jewish dictator for a while, ended up ahead of the KGB, very short time. Otherwise, the minute you get, it's a great social experiment, what happens to the Soviet Union when the Jews leave it. And that was precisely the milieu that Putin was raised in. Suddenly Russian nationalism becomes relatively normal. Nationalism in the Slavic world becomes very important and because even incurs in certain places.
Starting point is 01:35:04 There were no Russian dictators until Gorbachev, Netrinika was Ukrainian, Andropov was Jewish, Brezhnev was Ukrainian, Khrushchev was Ukrainian. But still, obviously Stalin was in Georgia. But once the Jews found themselves rooting for Israel, yet the Soviet state is financing Iraq and Syria and Egypt sometimes, many of them tried to leave. And all of a sudden, the American government made it okay to be anti-communist for the first time. In the West, it was only the leaders of Zionism who confidently talked from the, late 19th century about the historical uniqueness and everlasting relevance of the Jewish question, and some of them at the same time maintain robust links with a diehard European socialism.
Starting point is 01:35:57 And then the emergence of the state of Israel and the consequence storms around it added to the confusion of naive socialist minds of Europeans. Here I offer two small but at the time quite stirring in typical examples. In one episode of so-called the dialogue between the East and the West, show, a clever Cold War period program where Western debaters were opposed by Eastern European officials or novices who played off official nonsense for their own sincere convictions. In the beginning of 1967, a Slovak writer, Latislav Monaco, properly representing the Socialist East, wittily noted that he never in his life had any conflict with the communist authorities, except one case when his driver's license was suspended for a traffic violation.
Starting point is 01:36:47 His French opponent angrily said that at least in one other case, surely Moneko should be in the opposition when the uprising and neighboring Hungary was drowned in blood. But no, the suppression of Hungarian uprising neither violated the peace of Meneko's mind, nor did it force him to say anything sharp or impudent. Then a few months passed after the dialogue and the six-day war broke out. At that point, the Czechoslovak government of Novotny all lost. loyal communists accused Israel of aggression and several diplomatic relations with it. And what happened next? Monaco, a Slovak married to a Jew, who had calmly disregarded the suppression of Hungary before, now was so outraged and agitated that he left his homeland and as a protest went to live in Israel. You know, for Shultzal Needson to have gone through everything he went through, you know, cancer,
Starting point is 01:37:45 in the gulag gulag for so many years to have a sense of humor like this is really it shows you what kind of character he had and he is being funny of course this is a real story I never heard of this program before certainly wouldn't happen
Starting point is 01:38:03 with Germany or today's Russia Soviet Union was a different story this was one of the manifestations of de taut keep in mind too that the mentality of Eastern Europe versus Soviet Union proper sometimes would would differ. We're getting into, actually you are in the era of Chalcesterscu and Romania, who after a while
Starting point is 01:38:27 this wouldn't go along with the USSR. And so he went to the Americans. He went to the IMF. You know, that's kind of frying pan fire, I guess. Yugoslavia was always did its own thing. Slowly but surely we're starting to see cracks in the Warsaw Pact. because they just didn't, they didn't see Marxism the same way as they saw it in, in Moscow.
Starting point is 01:38:53 And why they would use a check here, I'm not entirely sure. Why do you someone from, I mean, if I was going to, you know, get a Marxist debate at the time, I'd just go to Harvard. I'd go to, I'd go to Stanford, not the USSR. We're at a time now where Marxism is being questioned all over the place. However, the so-called victory in Vietnam was a big boost to it. These are non-logical, ideological things. But just in people's minds, this is also a time, despite the Soviet Union's slowly going broke, that one third world country after another was falling to the Soviets without much opposition all over Africa and Latin America.
Starting point is 01:39:32 That's one of the things that elected Ronald Reagan. Something's got to happen here. They're falling all over the place after Vietnam. From Vietnam, the Reagan, the Soviet Union is going broke. things are being revealed about their past, you know, or present, you know, gulags and everything else. They're having one victory after another in the third world, which is a totally different kind of socialist, more national socialism there, not that anyone would use the phrase. So, as I said before, I went to the hospital, the foundation of Israel ruined everything.
Starting point is 01:40:03 It totally, it's one of the things that destroyed the Soviet Union. And it's one of the proofs that the USSR was Jewish. They're strongly Jewish because once Israel was founded, what are we going to do? and they were basically a statist semi-socialist society founded by Stalin no less No one cared this the sovi didn't care about the Arabs whatsoever Once the mass murders began in the Middle East There were the Communist Party offices in Damascus few other places were burned to the ground The Arabs were had been abandoned by the Soviets and the argument was for Miko made this argument
Starting point is 01:40:42 that the Arabs are too backwards to understand Marxism. We need to focus on the Jews. Like this is a new thing, and the Arabs should just go away. And then, of course, the Soviet change as years went on. But that was a Soviet position from 1948 to the start of the Korean War. The second example comes from the same year. A famous French socialist Daniel Meyer, at the moment of the Six-Day War, had written in Le Mans, that henceforth he is, one, ashamed to be a socialist,
Starting point is 01:41:14 because of the fact that the Soviet Union calls itself a socialist country. Well, when the Soviet Union was exterminating not only its own people, but also other socialists, he was not ashamed. Two, ashamed of being French, obviously due to the wrong political position of de Gaul. And three, ashamed to be human. Wasn't that too much? And ashamed of all except being a Jew. We are ready to accept both Monaco's outrage and Myers' anger, yet we would like to point out
Starting point is 01:41:45 the extreme intensity of their feelings, given the long history of their obsequious condoning of communism. Surely the intensity of their feelings is also an aspect of the Jewish question in the 20th century. So in what way did the Jewish question not exist? Everyone knew that the Jewish question was dominant. No, I wanted to talk about it. There was no Netanyahu to ruin everything and to, you know, make it okay. I said it before, but I can't believe I'm living in an era where it's perfectly acceptable now to attack Zionism and Israel.
Starting point is 01:42:24 We all know how they're dealing with doing damage control and all that. But I want to mention Meyer here. It's very common to have idiots come to you and say, I deal with this. When I had a Facebook, I dealt with it almost every day. Soviet Union wasn't really socials. Now, you say to that, okay, the United States isn't really capitalist.
Starting point is 01:42:49 Anyone can play that game. What was non-socialist about it? If you don't have a market and you don't have private property, you only have a totalitarian plan system. You can only have one party. How can you have dissent in a totally plan? It doesn't make any sense. There's one party. It's perfectly consistent with socialism, partially because it was consistent with the concept of the dictatorship of the proletariat.
Starting point is 01:43:13 both Marx and Lenin talked about mass murder. Remember, extermination isn't something that is done in an emergency or something that is an anomaly. It's built into the doctrine of Marxism. Marxism is not, by definition, is not peaceful. Capitalists are in their minds are not going to give power away. So in its very structure, it requires extermination of opponents. during the Vietnam War, the Vietnamese communists always said that, you know, we have an obligation to destroy the old mentality of South Vietnam. They went into a town and they slaughtered anyone who had a military background, a RVN, connected.
Starting point is 01:44:02 We got mayors and clergy, whatever. There were mass graves everywhere. And they were quite proud of it. This is built into Marxism. the U.S. gets attacked for, you know, shooting a couple of people in a fit of rage, forgetting that this was a Tuesday for North Vietnam. This is Tuesday for everybody. You know, it's, you know, killing of a few million people.
Starting point is 01:44:31 That's like a weekend for Lenin. And especially when you consider a human being as just nerve endings, no soul, no nothing, just matter in motion. Well, what differences to make whether they're living cells or dead cells? That's all they are. How can there be any moral outrage? Something, by the way, Stalin happened to mention.
Starting point is 01:44:53 You know, this was, and I want to stress this, I stressed this when I was in university. It's built into the system of Marxism that there's going to be mass killings. Number two, of course, socialists don't like any kind. They don't even want to talk about ethnicities. and he should be happy because de Gaulle pulled France out of NATO. And I'm not so sure about number three.
Starting point is 01:45:19 He connects being human with being a Jew. And I'm not entirely sure what he meant there. I understand number one and number two. I'm not sure of number three. But you see what happened with the state of Israel. And its victories over its opponents, thanks to. of the U.S. Jews are really having a tough time with this. And on top of all that, the Soviet economy is slowing down. The capital investments, all from the U.S., of course, after World War II
Starting point is 01:45:52 are getting old. They're about 30 years old at this point. The Soviet Union is going broke because their foreign aid bill was ridiculous at this point. All over the planet, they're giving things away. And they never collected on their loans, you know, so long as they had a communist government take over somewhere, they were going to get Soviet aid. They couldn't forward it anymore. Everything was slowing down. Plus, on top of all that, Soviets are starting to notice in the West, including Israel, that their economy is taking off, especially in the high tech sector. The middle class is growing, although we all know it's based on debt. They didn't know that. And they're still stuck with heavy industry, slogans from the 1920s. And it was getting
Starting point is 01:46:36 very difficult to cover this up. Brezhnevvvv and Drenchenko came around, it was getting impossible. And then Gorbachev gave up on the whole topic. And now, of course, everyone is starting to notice here. The Jews are struggling and eventually now pulling away from the Soviet Union, going to Israel either ideologically or actually physically
Starting point is 01:47:02 moving there or moving to the U.S. and then supporting Israel from there because the U.S. was doing so much better than the U.S.S. are. And, of course, the U.S. was heavily invested in the Soviet Union. Even that was a problem because that was getting old. You know, the Soviet Union by now had their own cadre of engineers
Starting point is 01:47:23 and everything else. They're very good at it. Americans still were profiting from the U.S. They're not like it was before, but they were still investing, military technology, computers. But it didn't matter because the U.S. was still shooting away from them. Standard of living.
Starting point is 01:47:40 You could actually get, like, in the 70s, you could get Led Zeppelin records, Black Sabbath records in Romania, Hungary, and even parts of the Soviet Union. They couldn't keep it out forever, for better or for worse. And this is some of the stuff that, and the Soviet Union became one of the most conservative, socially, countries in the world, because they're at war now with American liberalism. All this stuff to them was very decadent. homosexuality and all that stuff, they were vehemently opposed to it. This is what happens when the Jews leave.
Starting point is 01:48:12 All of a sudden now these issues become important. All of a sudden now homosexuality is condemned from Moscow. Yet in the U.S., of course, they're promoting it. It's really extraordinary, and all it took was the state of Israel, its victories over its enemies, and Jews leaving because the money was in the West now, not in the old Soviet system. If one listened to American radio broadcasts aimed at the Soviet Union from 1950 to the 1980s, one might conclude that there was no other issue in the Soviet Union as important as the Jewish question.
Starting point is 01:48:46 At the same time in the United States, where the Jews can be described as the most privileged minority, and where they gained an unprecedented status, the majority of American Jews still claimed that hatred and discrimination by their Christian compatriots was a grim fact of the modern life. Yet because it would sound incredible if stated aloud, then the Jewish question does not exist, and to notice it and talk about it is unnecessary and improper. We have to get used to talking about the Jewish question,
Starting point is 01:49:17 not in a hush and fearfully, but clearly, articulately, and firmly. We should do so not overflowing with passion, but sympathetically aware of both the unusual and difficult Jewish world history and centuries of our Russian history that are also full of significant suffering. Then the mutual prejudices, sometimes very intense, would disappear and calm reason would reign.
Starting point is 01:49:41 There's a couple of ways to interpret this. A friend of mine called me yesterday, and he's putting all these pro-Iranian things on Facebook. There was a day you would just get eliminated from that, but not anymore. The responses were extremely interesting. You got the boomer response. you've got the kind of modern
Starting point is 01:50:00 the young people respond to you they're awful and reason was the one thing that was the Protestant prejudices but he's different than me he's better than me in the sense that he can
Starting point is 01:50:14 he can keep his cool and he calmly explains well why the old boomer position is incorrect but he can't do it all at once he can't just you know dump it on somebody. They'd be, you know, they just turn off. It has to be a slow but sure process. And these are
Starting point is 01:50:33 friendly people. They might be idiots, but they're friendly people. This is an ongoing issue. How to handle your boomer mentality. That all they know is probably Israel stuff. The Arabs are evil. They should be slaughtered. Everything that Israel does is correct. The Jews are are superiors. It's just how they were raised, especially if they're Protestant. How do you deal with them? they consider themselves conservative and patriots and all this stuff used to be the World War II vets were like that but now it's like the old Vietnam era
Starting point is 01:51:04 the boomers who were I guess what in their 70s now and it's something that they have to be led into and how you do that's going to be different for you know depending on the person but we have to learn how where reason and calmness will rain I find that you're talking to
Starting point is 01:51:25 Jews about this, generally speaking is not that difficult, especially if you know them already. You know, because now they're embarrassed. They're struggling. I don't know any super intense lacutniks. But Jews are now in this same position today that they were back then. What do we do? We can't Israeli support at Yahoo, at least the policies. American Jews are having a tough time. I think you're doing a lot of damage control with these newly found. Suddenly now they've discovered that the Israeli state is genocidal. Where were they 10 years ago? You know, they were out, you know.
Starting point is 01:52:04 So, but now their own media has finally given in. It all started off with Netanyahu's what we would consider conservatism coming from the settler movement. He was anti-homosexual. He was, wanted to ban abortion and all this stuff. And so liberal American Jews were saying, you know, I don't like that. And now what he's doing was the Supreme Court. The riots took place. And then Hamas comes in, which is a brilliant move by them, involved the entire world.
Starting point is 01:52:32 Hamas changed the planet, as we all know. And they're in, I think, a very difficult spot. Sometimes I'm glad I don't have Facebook anymore because I'd be talking about this 24 hours as they get no work done. But I'm hearing from a lot of people how they're dealing with either Gentiles or Jews over these. questions. And it's calm and reason has to, no matter what they say you have to keep you cool, this is very difficult to do. Don't let them dump on you. You take one point at a time and explain why it's a problem. Sometimes that's very hard to do. When I went to grad school, I had no choice. How did I make it through grad school on these questions? I didn't come in
Starting point is 01:53:17 preaching from the first day. That's how you do it. You have to just swallow stuff. You have to show that you're a nice guy, a good guy, a smart guy. And then slowly later on, start asking questions. And after a while, they get the picture. But then they say, not this is a psycho, get him out of here. They were saying, oh, that's Matt.
Starting point is 01:53:39 You know, he's nuts. He's cool, though. That's how I did it. And that's how you have to do it in this case. And this is Solzhenitsyn is, you know, he was living in America. Not that much was different. Social media really didn't exist. What was this?
Starting point is 01:53:55 2000? 2001, sort of. But Facebook seems to be where a lot of this stuff is going on, Twitter. And it was so easy. It was very easy to get to me. One thing about having a heart problem is that I don't care anymore. I mean, I care about the issues, but I don't care about, you know, I don't have to be right. I don't have to, you know, have the last word all the time. and it's one of those things that happens.
Starting point is 01:54:19 And it's a great, and plus, I mean, when you get older, you know, you have a different point of view. When I was younger, I'd be, you know, out there in the streets like I was. I did. But I did that already. Now I could, you know, be a recluse. I did my part. But staying cool, staying calm, one point at a time, it's becoming very difficult to be a Protestant evangelical anymore. So that's the whole, their whole thing is Israel now.
Starting point is 01:54:43 And when the Jewish media starts talking anti-Israel stuff, some, you know, once in a while, exposing Gaza, that alone. I didn't think, now it's mainstream to talk about it. Look what the universities are doing. Trying to ban everything. It used to be very anti-Israel in universities because they were connected with capitalism and all that. But it, you know, I got, I thought I almost got kicked out of the University of Hartford, 1990. I was passing out copies of the spotlight in front of the University Commons where everyone eats. I was very naive.
Starting point is 01:55:21 But today, I'd get away with it because people are talking like that. Everyone wants to get on the bandwagon, although finally it's our bandwagon. But now you have Protestants and a handful of Jews who still are very difficult to deal with. And either you just – I have trouble ignoring them. But you have to know your stuff, first of all. and then keep your cool. It's very hard to keep your cool. They can't, but you have to.
Starting point is 01:55:49 You keep your cool and they're screaming and yelling, you automatically win. And I want to interpret Solzhenitsyn's words here something like that. Remember, Solzhenitsyn was getting attacked by Jews every day back then. This book did not help, but he could afford it.
Starting point is 01:56:05 He really didn't care. He just wanted to talk about the truth. As do we. Now, some of us can't do that. I could do whatever I want. My address is online. I don't care. Most of us can't do that. Most of us either don't have the knowledge or are in a position professionally where we simply cannot.
Starting point is 01:56:27 And that's why you support us. When you give us money, you are now a part of it. You are supporting those who are doing what you simply can't do. We can't judge you. We are now, we're essentially then spokesman. We're doing what you want to do but can't. That's what supporting us is. But it's important that any of us out there remain calm and cool.
Starting point is 01:56:51 Don't call and never call names. That's, that's, you know, don't use profanity. I've used profanity to Antifa before. But normally be cool, especially in social media. And that will automatically give you the victory. And this guy kind of reminded me of that he, one of my closest friends, and he kept his cool and he looked like the winner. And these guys were ranting and raving.
Starting point is 01:57:19 He was, it's very important that I get that out to people. It's sometimes it's tough to do, but it's a skill you have to learn. Working on this book, I can't help but notice that the Jewish question has been omnipresent in world history, and it never was a national question in the narrow sense like all other national questions. But was always, maybe because of the nature of Judaism, interwoven into something much bigger. I think we should stop right there.
Starting point is 01:57:47 I didn't notice that there was a, yeah, I didn't notice that there was a break there. Yeah, he's, he's talking, you know, one thing they don't teach in grad schools, how to function, how to be a scholar like at a day-to-day level. How do you carry yourself when someone accosts you somewhere, someone recognizes you somewhere? You know, those practical day-to-day things. I've been lucky, thanks to my friends, and thanks to the fact that I was hired by Willis Cardo, I've lived a normal life this way. A lot of people don't think that's possible. It is possible.
Starting point is 01:58:24 But some of us, it takes a while, takes a long time. But to deny that this exists, today there's no question about it. I think over the last 10 years, nationalism has gotten this massive boost. international capitalism has been exposed and that is the bearer of liberalism just the bearer of oligarchy oligarchy by definition is conspiratoric you know
Starting point is 01:58:51 there are no markets out there it is pretty much a planned economy except on a capitalist level I said to Sven Longshank in our show on Radio Alvian yesterday I said explain to me how when the war in Iran just started
Starting point is 01:59:09 how American gas prices went through the roof. How did it take like a half a day for that to happen? Number one, the U.S. gets no oil from the Middle East, let alone Iran. Number two, it would take a long time to eventually register in gas prices if there was a natural rise in oil. Number three, there's a glut of oil on the market right now. There's no reason for it to rise at all. Even if there wasn't, there's no reason. The oil's still flowing.
Starting point is 01:59:37 They've cut off the Israeli. but they weren't exactly trading with the Israelis to begin with. It's just pure gouging. There is no oil market whatsoever. And these are the things that, I forgot how I got here, but these are the things that you discover. And unfortunately, we all know who is at the horn of it because of the nature of banking and banking is at the heart of everything. It's at the heart of oligarchy. It's at the heart of globalization.
Starting point is 02:00:04 And we didn't even get to the increasing separation. of the Soviets and Jews, but he had to lay down this historical background concerning Israel's victories. We're living in an era where Israel is being beaten. Israel has been defeated firstly in 2000 by Hezbollah. They destroyed the South Lebanon Army. They're being beaten in Gaza. They have not dislodged Hamas, as I predicted. Assad's army continues to fight in eastern Syria. There's no government there. Unfortunately, the only victory they had was Assad leaving, but he had his own reasons for doing that. The Iranians are winning.
Starting point is 02:00:51 Their U.S. is already trying to sue for peace through the Italian embassy. And the Iranians have told them to go to hell. Israel's on fire. American military bases are on fire. and there's still a media blackout on some of this stuff, but go to military blogs, see what's going on. The Jewish question, of course, at the center of all of this. And just like the Soviet Union, because of the problems with Israel,
Starting point is 02:01:19 the problem with Israel will continue to hasten the demise of the world's shortest empire in duration, the U.S., from 1950 to 2020, something like that. shortest empire ever and because it's based on such a thin foundation. So I know I'm talking a lot, but this is at the heart of what I do every day in my life. And it's, it's,
Starting point is 02:01:42 I really, I can't stop myself. So I'm going to stop it right now. All right. I know too much. It's a problem. Yeah, you're good. Head on over to the show notes.
Starting point is 02:01:53 Head on over to the video description, support Dr. Johnson, show them how much you love them. Buy his new book. As soon as I get my act together, we will, I'll have Dr. Johnson on to talk about the book in a standalone episode. And we'll be back on a couple days with the next episode, episode 114. Thank you, Dr. Johnson.
Starting point is 02:02:16 I really appreciate everyone. Everyone's support when I was sick. You guys are listeners and especially you, Pete. I appreciate everything you've done for me. Of course. Thank you. I want to welcome everyone back to our reading of 200 years together. Alexander Solzhenison. This is episode number 114. Dr. Johnson, how are you doing today?
Starting point is 02:02:39 Well, I had my doctor's appointment yesterday, and my blood pressure is back to 120 over something. It's good. I'm feeling better than I did when I was healthy before. I've lost about 30 pounds. I'm keeping it off. I feel better than I did, you know, prior to getting sick. and my weight loss, though, shouldn't be replicated by people, you know, but it was great. My wife is quite pleased with it. And so, again, I want to thank everybody. I got Marcel on my lap here. I think he fell asleep.
Starting point is 02:03:21 He finished another plate of ice cream. So, you know, we're co-hosting today. and for all those who are interested, my paper on the 1970s Soviet Union is about finished, and I'll upload it very soon. Awesome. All righty. Let's see what you and Marcel have to say about what we're reading today. All right.
Starting point is 02:03:46 When in the late 1960s I mused about the fate of the communist regime and felt that, yes, it is doomed. My impression was strongly supported by the observation as so many Jews had already abetion. abandoned it. There was a period when they persistently and in unison supported the Soviet regime, and at that time, the future definitely belonged to it. Yet now the Jews started to defect from it. First, the thinking individuals and later the Jewish masses. Was this not a sure sign that the years of the Soviet ruler numbered? Yes, it was. This was the era where Putin came up. he was pretty much raised in this era and 70s and 80s
Starting point is 02:04:28 that's when he went up the ranks in the in the KGB and the police and this because the Jews had abandoned the system the party became more Russian it became more Soviet nationalist in a weird way
Starting point is 02:04:46 you know and it is weird and you see some of that all over the place in some of our people out there and unfortunately it led to the veneration of Stalin which I despise Brezhnev was
Starting point is 02:05:04 Ukrainian and but he was you know he started realizing all the problems here we'll talk about this here in a minute and he was the last leader of the USSR that really probably the last
Starting point is 02:05:20 one who actually believed in its future The fact that the Jews left means that now it's a totally, totally different system. Things that were allowed before were disallowed, things that were, and a reverse was obviously true, and it's manifest in the 1977 Soviet Constitution or the Brezhnev Constitution. We'll talk about that later too. So when exactly did it happen that the Jews, one such reliable backbone of the regime, turned into almost its greatest adversary? Can we say that the Jews always struggle for freedom? No, far too many of them were the most zealous communists. Yet now they turned their backs on it. And without them, the aging Bolshevist fanaticism
Starting point is 02:06:05 had not only lost some of its fervor, it actually ceased to be fanatical at all. Rather, it became lazy in the Russian way. This was, the bureaucracy was going through the motions. No one really believed in it anymore. We're very similar in the U.S. Some of its best people were leaving. Not just Jews, but even high IQ Gentiles. When some of your best people leave, like you have in America, you know, or turning their backs on the system, you know you're in trouble. Your days are numbered. Crime was rising.
Starting point is 02:06:40 I mean, crime was rising, but Soviet crime was on a huge scale, like an entire factory would be taken, dismantled and taken somewhere else. whole trains would disappear. And I wrote in this paper, I said something along the lines of those who administered a system based on materialism and violence shouldn't be shocked when immorality eventually takes over the common population. Things were changing at the common level of the commoner. Their attitudes were changing because the elites were changing. and a lot of this had to do with the lack of the influence of the Jews. Today, the Jewish population of the Russian Federation is like 0.5% at the most, very low. And the same for Ukraine, making their oligarchy all the more obnoxious.
Starting point is 02:07:39 So this was, you know, the death of Stalin, in my opinion, was the beginning of the end. And it was a slow, long decline. But when the Jews made it clear that they were going to Israel or the U.S. US or both, that's when we knew it was, and Schultznii was one of the few people to actually predict the end of the Soviet Union. In the U.S., you know, it was considered, you know, it was 19, I remember in college, it was 1990, and the CIA was publishing things saying that the Soviet economy is, is fairly healthy, showing how much they know. And, but the Jews are attuned to these kind of economic changes. And the U.S. was surging ahead of the Soviet Union in terms of consumer
Starting point is 02:08:22 right. It's electronics, not military stuff, but consumer electronics and all the rest of it that we remember from the 80s and stuff. And even the best propagandists couldn't cover that up for long. And that's where we are here historically. After the Soviet-German war, the Jews became disappointed by communist power. It turned out that they were worse off than before. we saw the main stages of this split. Initially, the support of the newborn state of Israel by the USSR had inspired the Soviet Jews. Then came the persecution of the cosmopolitans and the mainly Jewish intelligentsia, not the Philistine masses yet, began to worry.
Starting point is 02:09:03 Communism pushes the Jews aside, oppresses them? The terrible threat of massacre by Stalin overwhelmed them as well, but it was short-lived and miraculously disappeared very soon. during the interregnum following Stalin's death, and then under Khrushchev, Jewish hopes were replaced by dissatisfaction and the promised stable improvement failed to materialize. Keep in mind, we come across this before. Those who were doing any kind of persecution were Jews. Throughout all of this, you had a substantial number of Jews that remained fanatical communists and connected to the Soviet Union. That includes Eastern Europe as well. So it was one Jewish faction against another.
Starting point is 02:09:47 But eventually, you know, the Stalinist Jewish faction, which continued right up until the end, they certainly had them in the U.S. Just simply couldn't resist the trend anymore. And then the Six-Day War broke out with truly biblical force, rocking both Soviet and World Jewry and the Jewish national consciousness began to grow like an avalanche. after the sixth day war much has changed much was changed the action acquired momentum letters and petitions began to flood soviet and international organizations national life was revived during the holidays became difficult to get into a synagogue underground societies sprang up to study jewish history culture and hebrew no i thought they were being persecuted what what are they talking about how is that possible um they were not as underground. You had synagogues all over the USSR. Hebrew civil look down on, usually by Jews. Your average Soviet Gentile didn't even understand the issue. Yes, some were worried, but that was just paranoia. Remember the Six-Day War and everything that came after it, up until the end of the USSR itself, was Soviet-sponsored states versus the American-sponsored Israelis. And it was humiliating to see how badly the Soviet-sponsored governments were defeated.
Starting point is 02:11:10 And there were much larger forces, you know, many, much more men, tanks, planes. It was humiliating. Syria, the same thing. Egypt. It was just, it was one defeat after another of countries that were far larger than Israel. And, yeah, it definitely had an impact on. Soviet Jews, most Soviet Jews, and definitely Jews around the world. And then there was that rising campaign against Zionism, already linked to imperialism,
Starting point is 02:11:48 and so the resentful grew among the Jews toward the increasingly alien and abominable and dull Bolshevism. Where did this monster come from? Indeed, for many educated Jews, the departure from communism was painful, as it is always difficult to part with an ideal. After all, was not it a great and perhaps inevitable planetary experiment initiated in Russia in 1917, an experiment based on ancient, attractive, and obvious high ideas, not all of which were faulty, and many still retain their beneficial effects to this day. Marxism requires educated minds. That was all a quote.
Starting point is 02:12:30 Yeah, definitely. That's not Shulzhenitin. but there's a little bit of sarcasm here. I put my knowledge of Marxism against anybody's. And you read his early writings, including the Udayan Fragha. And some of it's quite attractive. A lot of right-wingers were saying this kind of thing. Capitalism is not conservative.
Starting point is 02:12:55 It's not right-wing. It is a revolutionary ideology, and Marx talked about that a lot. In the Jewish question, that was essentially the core of it. capitalism was essential. It was a revolutionary movement that was there, existed, both to destroy national differences, as well as to create in a very efficient way all the capital necessary for labor, or whatever they considered labor, to take over later.
Starting point is 02:13:25 Many Jewish political writers strongly favored the term Stalinism, a convenient form to justify the earlier Soviet regime. difficult to part with the old familiar and sweet things if it is really possible at all. Yeah, this is the origin of what I've been talking about, a writing and talking about, where Stalinism was seen as the ideology that took the Soviet Union away from Marxism. And in that way, Marxism can be untouched. Oh, it is true. It is real.
Starting point is 02:13:58 We had a great time under Lenin, but Stalin destroyed it. That's like, you know, the whole Netanyahu thing. Oh, this is Netanyahu's fault. Israel's been fine before, but this lunatic takes over. That's their damage control. It simply isn't true. And I've come across these people a lot. But there was no difference between Stalin, Lenin, and Trotsky,
Starting point is 02:14:22 except that Stalin just had much more to work with. He had an entire bureaucracy that didn't exist in 1919. But their ideologies and their tactics, were exactly the same. When Trotsky went in exile, then all of a sudden he turned on everything he believed in before because he hated Stalin so much. And there, the Trotskyite movement was founded,
Starting point is 02:14:45 vehemently anti-Stalinist, and hence, in their minds, anti-Soviet, and that morphed somehow into hatred of the Soviet Union so much that they became the neocons. And the crystals were a part of that, as you know. There have been attempts to increase the influence of intellectuals on the ruling elite. Such was the letter to the 23rd Congress of the Communist Party by G. Pomerant's, 1966. The letter asked the Communist Party to trust the,
Starting point is 02:15:14 quote, scientific and creative intelligentsia that desire is not anarchy but the rule of law, that wants not to destroy the existing system, but to make it more flexible, more rational, more humane, end quote, and proposed to establish an advisory think tank, which would generally consult the executive leadership of the country. The offer remained unanswered. And many souls long ached for such a wasted opportunity with such a glorious past. Well, yeah, that's what they're going to tell the world. The real issue, as far as Jews are concerned, was that the Soviet Union that was rebuilt after World War II, again, partially by the U.S., that capital, all of that was getting old. It was very difficult, increasingly difficult, to repair it. It was also very difficult to make
Starting point is 02:16:10 the transition between the heavy industry that Soviet Union is known for and what heavy industry is for, making more consumer-related products. There were all of these factions in the Soviet system and the hardcore central planners, heavy industry faction tended to win. Even under Khrushchev, where he said he was going to change all of that. Every time, Ecosigen, all these people who said they're going to change this, nothing ever happened. There was no mechanism in the Soviet system that could bring that about. In my paper on the topic, I quote from the program of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union in 1961. and they say that they're going to create full communism by 1980.
Starting point is 02:17:03 Now, the 1977 Constitution said that full communism has been discovered. We've manifested it. We are now fully the representative of both peasants and workers. It's been done. And the concept was, at this point, what we have to look forward to, from 1961 and 1980, Is the state actually withering away? That workers, the workers associations are going to take over what the state did. Law enforcement, planning, accounting, economic management, cultural advancement.
Starting point is 02:17:41 Now state bodies, they won't be political anymore. They'll become organs of public self-government. That's almost a quote. The mechanism for this, they never explained. And when I first read this, the level of alienation from reality even Karl Marx when he talked about this transition you know every man will be an architect in the morning and a mechanic in the evening
Starting point is 02:18:07 he never explains how violent revolution is going to bring this about never explains it how was that even you know they're in two different worlds it's impossible anyway on the best of conditions you have a crazy polymath once in a while and this is what the Soviet Union was teaching starting in the 60s. And the 77 Constitution, you know, came out and said, okay, it's been done. Now, we don't have to wait until 1980. It's being done now. And if you're, even if you're very,
Starting point is 02:18:39 you know, you're a Soviet citizen, you're patriotic, you go, what? You know, who wrote this? And you have someone like Pomerant's here, you know, what, seven years, or sorry, I got five years after the program was published saying, I'm not, you know, you know, know, I'm not seeing this. What are you guys talking about? It was just ideology. You know, Sushlov was a big promoter of this idea. Then Brezhnev said it, of all people, the least charismatic man in political history, in my opinion, said it. They said it. Like words had reality to them. And with this kind of fantasy, this dislocation from reality, kind of like when Trump recently said, we have unlimited ammunition, don't worry about that.
Starting point is 02:19:27 You know, you got to wonder. They were so separated from the common population, from reality, from the world in their party apparatus that for them, maybe that was a case. But not for the population. Brezhnev eventually had to admit that, you know, crime is rising. Crime is severe in some places. And even he said when he was at the Workers University, something like this, this is a, I'm paraphrasing, he sold stuff all the time. theft was the big issue and well we have to survive
Starting point is 02:20:02 so that's how it's going to be so he admits it then well that's that's so we have to live with it but someone like Breznev Khrushchev was nuts but at least he was charismatic Breznev was an awful choice no one I mean he was just just looking at him
Starting point is 02:20:20 people became anti-communist you know he his speeches weren't interesting I've read them all he was just and he tried to create a cult of personality can you imagine Stalin had a look to him
Starting point is 02:20:34 very powerful look to him but Bresnev looked like a drunk uncle at the end of Thanksgiving dinner and it just was one more thing and then of course Afghanistan one more thing to drive people away
Starting point is 02:20:47 from the party and the Jews of course but there was no longer any choice and so the Soviet Jews split away from communism and now while deserting it, they turned against it. And that was such a perfect opportunity. They could themselves, with ex-pergatory repentance, acknowledged their formerly active and cruel role in the triumph of communism in Russia. When hell freezes over. Yet almost none of them did. I discussed a few
Starting point is 02:21:18 exceptions below. The above-mentioned collection of essays, Russia and the Jews, so heartfelt, so much needed and so timely when published in 1924, was feared. fiercely denounced by Jewry. And even today, according to the opinion of the Arodite scholar Shimon Markish, quote, these days nobody dares to defend those hook-nosed and bury commissars because of fear of being branded pro-Soviet, a Czechist, a God knows what else. Yet let me say, in no uncertain terms, the behavior of those Jewish youths who join the Reds is a thousand times more understandable than the reasons of the authors of that collection of works. they, I think, collectively, are mostly incapable of this kind of self-reflection.
Starting point is 02:22:02 The admission that they brought inhuman misery to an entire civilization is just simply, you know, they're individual exceptions. And collectively, it's impossible. And they are constantly demanding this of everyone else. I remember in the 90s and the war against Yugoslavia began. they were demanding this of the Serbs. I remember it. And the ADL and all these groups were demanding their self-reflection on what they've done to people.
Starting point is 02:22:33 It was all a lie. But they love talking like that, except when it comes to themselves. Leftists in general, you know, you turn their methods like deconstruction. I got into trouble even as a grad student turning deconstruction against them. Although that wasn't meant for us. That was meant for you. or what the side of you support. And so it's just out of the question.
Starting point is 02:22:59 And I've said this many times. Maybe I got it from. Schultz and Ethan just didn't remember where I got her from. And Schultzhen Eastern really was truly sincere. You guys have to look back on what you've done. You know, and huge support. I mean, Jews were pouring into the USSR to assist in the building of communism. and collectively you refuse.
Starting point is 02:23:25 And in the EU, in Britain too, you talk like this, you go to prison. So that's their response. But they'll collectively condemn Christians or Germans for what they think happened in World War II. But themselves, they are incapable of wrongdoing. because they are collectively the Messiah in many cases. Not all Jews think that, but many secular Jews think that. That's what Marxism really was. That's what Moses really was.
Starting point is 02:24:01 We are the Messiah. And how can we possibly do anything wrong in that regard? So it's very frustrating. I've said it before. This is the reason I don't have a Facebook account anymore. But he hits the nail on the head here. And I don't know. There's a few others, at least in Russia,
Starting point is 02:24:20 who have mentioned this, but it's never going to happen. Still, some Jewish authors began to recognize certain things of the past as they really were, though in the most cautious terms. Quote, it was the end of the role of the Russian Jewish intelligentsia that developed in the pre-war and early post-war years, and that was, to some degree sincerely, a bearer of Marxist's ideology and that professed however timidly and implicitly, and contrary, actual practice, the ideas of liberalism, internationalism, and humanism." End quote.
Starting point is 02:24:58 A bearer of Marxist ideology? Yes, of course. The ideals of internationalism? Sure. Yet liberalism and humanism? True, but only after Stalin's death, while coming to senses. However, very different things can be inferred from the writings in the majority of Jewish publicists in the late Soviet Union.
Starting point is 02:25:18 Looking back to the very year of 1917, they find that under communism, there's a very different there was nothing but Jewish suffering. Quote, among the many nationalities of the Soviet Union, the Jews have always been stigmatized as the least reliable element, end quote. I found when I was in academia, that's really the opinion. That Soviet Union was not Jewish, and we know this because the Jews suffered endlessly. Now, he has follow-up questions, and that's a problem. but this is pretty
Starting point is 02:25:53 this is the slogan and there was this flurry of books that Stalin was anti-Semitic anti-Jewish, a Russian nationalist Russian Orthodox all the absolute garbage and I've been writing against this my book fights that
Starting point is 02:26:09 the Soviet experiment the Barns Review published of course there's zero evidence for this but again in the EU you could to jail in the U.S., you lose your job. So this is how this stuff is enforced.
Starting point is 02:26:25 And now white male professors in the academy in the U.S., this is pretty much the, this is pretty much the argument. This is the slogan. And any Jewish participation in, always make fun of Gary Hamburg from Notre Dame, who deserves it, any Jewish participation in the Communist Party comes from Zara's anti-Semitism. So they deserve it. That's pretty much where it ends. Again, follow-up questions are out for them, but that's pretty much as of 2026 where they stand.
Starting point is 02:26:59 And they better stand there. What incredibly short memory one should have to state such things in 1983, always? And what about the 1920s? And the 1930s? To assert that they were then considered the least reliable, is it really possible to forget everything so completely? Yes, it is. Quote, if one takes a bird's eye view of the entire history of the Soviet era, then the latter appears as one gradual process of destruction of the Jews, end quote.
Starting point is 02:27:34 Note, the entire history. We investigated this in the previous chapters and saw that even without taking into account Jewish overrepresentation in the top Soviet circles, there had been a period of well-being for many Jews with mass migration to cities, open access to higher education, and and the blossoming of Jewish culture. The author proceeds with the reservation. Quote, although there were certain fluctuations, the overall trend continued.
Starting point is 02:28:00 Soviet power, destroying all nationalities, generally dealt with the Jews in the most brutal way, end quote. You know, I don't know what specifically he's referring to here, but this leads to something we all know is cognitive dissonance. I refuse to believe that these people actually believe this. They have no choice but to believe. if it's purely subconscious. Cognitive dissidents, thank God I'm a free man.
Starting point is 02:28:25 I don't have to be like this. But unfree men, whether they're Jews who are trying to defend themselves or Gentiles who have to say crap like this or they're finished, cognitive dissonance leads to neurosis. It can't stand that way. It functions in the subconscious and it comes out in the most crazy ways, including things like temper tantrums. It's only when you would leave the academy. Can you now talk like a normal person or government or whatever you are?
Starting point is 02:28:58 But they're teaching students this. As we're talking right now, they're teaching students this. And this is why I say the entire history of the 20th century has to be rewritten, with the Jews included for once. but the Soviet Union was as close to a paradise for Jews as humanly possible. They didn't do any work. And some of the crime wave that we've been talking about are Jews smuggling. Smuggling has been their big thing, even in Tsar's times as we talked about.
Starting point is 02:29:33 This was to a great extent their society, but then once they started leaving it, Russians began to rethink the whole issue. cosmopolitan didn't necessarily refer just to Jews, neither to Zionism, just like it does in America. So, you know, Zionism was essentially an attack on the U.S. It was an attack, Cosmopolitan was an attack on what came to be known as Soviet patriotism, which was growing, which was a talk about cognitive dissonance. It didn't even make sense. But at least it was a foundation for something. you know, Russian nationalism in, say, the 1980s, wasn't necessarily, at this point, wasn't necessarily stomped out. And it may shock some people that they look to the party.
Starting point is 02:30:20 The party was backing some of this stuff. Eventually, sometimes it would have to stop, sometimes could start again. But that was a huge mistake of the so-called Russian party, is that once the Jews kind of left, the party became maybe like National Bolshevik, something like that, not the internationalist. And I don't want to exaggerate this, because you still have plenty of Jews back in the system. I don't want to exaggerate it. But the party changed radically. And the initial trickle of Jewish immigration became a flood precisely around this time.
Starting point is 02:31:00 and you could measure the Jewish impact on the USSR by how the system function once they were gone, mostly gone. Don't forget, and Dropov, headed the KGB, then dictator of the Soviet Union very briefly, was a Jew. So, and remember also those laws on anti-Semitism remained on the books right into the Gorbets Afera. Another author considers a disaster even the early period when Lenin and the Communist Party called the upon the Jews to help it with state governance, and the call was heard, and the great masses of Jews from the Stettles of the hated pale moved into the capital in the big cities closer to the avant-garde of the revolution. He states that the, quote, formation of the Bolshevik regime that had turned the greater part of Jews into de classé, impoverished and exiled them and destroyed their families,
Starting point is 02:31:54 end quote, was a catastrophe for the, quote, majority of the Jewish population, end quote. Well, that depends on one's point of view, and the author himself later notes in the 1920s and 1930s, the children of de class A Jewish petty bourgeois were able to graduate from the technical institutes and Metropolitan Universities and to become commanders of the great developments. Then his reasoning becomes vague. Quote, in the beginning of the century, the main feature of Jewish activity was a fascination with the idea of building a new fair society. yet the army of revolution consisted of plain rabble, all those who were nothing, a quote from the International. Then, quote, after the consolidation of the regime, that Rabel decided to implement their motto and to become all, also a quote from the international, and finished off their own leaders. And so the kingdom of Rabel, unlimited totalitarianism, was established, end quote. And in this
Starting point is 02:32:55 context, the Jews had nothing to do with it, except that they were among the victimized leaders. And the purge continued, quote, for four decades until the mid-1950s. Then the last bitter pill, according to the scenario of disappointments, was prescribed to the remaining charmed Jews, end quote. Again, we see the same angle. The entire Soviet history was one of unending oppression and exclusion of the Jews. Yet now they wail in protest in unison, quote, we did not elect this regime. end quote.
Starting point is 02:33:28 Remember the context here. As the Jews were leaving, there was more freedom to talk about them. And an entire, lots of writings were sprouting up in this era, this Soviet-Patriot era, about what the Jews had done 20, straight up until almost the present day, listing names, all this stuff. and Putin, a few years after he was elected, said the same thing. He comes from this era, as I said. This was a Russian era, not a Jewish era. So that was a context.
Starting point is 02:34:10 So the Jews are realizing people are noticing. People are talking about all these list of people from Brooklyn that Trotky brought in. And the fact that the West was financing a lot of it. talking about rabble, I guess he means labor. Does he mean workers here? The term I think in Marxism is Lupin proletariat, the lowest of the low. These are like homeless,
Starting point is 02:34:33 you know, people who, or the lowest level jobs possible, not, you know, the skilled labor in the factories, etc. But this is in response to that.
Starting point is 02:34:46 So they, they overstate the case because they're noticing that lots of Russians and especially Ukrainians are starting to write and not be smashed immediately about the Jewish issue, one of whom, of course, was Solzhenitsin. And after the Soviet Union fell,
Starting point is 02:35:08 the Jews took over again. This time, destroying Russia again under a different ideology, creating the oligarchy that was almost exclusively Jewish in both Ukraine and Russia. Putin takes over in 2000 and the oligarch supported him, thinking he was going to be their man. A couple years later, half of them are in prison, half of them are in exile, and he's the most popular politician on the planet. Lukashenko did the same thing a few years later.
Starting point is 02:35:38 Lucasenko was even a member of the Communist Party in Belarus. But the context was, and all throughout this, people were right. writing about this issue. I also want to know Vladimir Geronovsky. I mentioned him once or twice. Was a complete phony. He's a Jew's real name was Edelman
Starting point is 02:36:02 who was used by Yeltsin whenever there was, you know, the U.S. started, you know, drifting from, because that society was disintegrating. He would have his friend do something crazy or say something crazy.
Starting point is 02:36:18 He wants to nuke the Baltics. or he would squeeze some woman's ass, you're drunk, you'd have no shirt on in parliament, something like that. I remember seeing all these things. His liberal democratic party was actually liberal democratic at one time, but Yeltsin needed him. This was the threat, and Jews were very interested in that. Okay, let's create fake organizations. I hate to say it, but Pamiyan, some people say, I like them when they first, came out, I remember them, but they didn't do anything. They turned out to be a totally phony
Starting point is 02:36:57 organization. And I spoke to their leader once and it was just, he was wonderful to me, but later on I find out what a disaster they were. They were creating these organizations. Everything was in response to the fact that you now had a group of very literate Russians and Ukrainians saying the Jews were responsible for what happened overwhelmingly. from 1920 to roughly the late 1970s. So they're going to start getting hysterical, and this is where you're getting this stuff from. Or even, quote,
Starting point is 02:37:32 it is not possible to co-evade a loyal Soviet elite among them, the Jews, end quote. Oh my God, was not this method working flawlessly for 30 years and only later coming undone? So where did all these glorious and famous names whom we've seen in such numbers come from. And why were their eyes kept so tightly shut that they couldn't see the essence of Soviet rule for 30 to 40 years? How is that that their eyes were opened only now? And what opened them?
Starting point is 02:38:06 Well, it was mostly because of the fact that now the power had suddenly turned around and began pushing the Jews not only out of its ruling in administrative circles, but out of cultural and scientific establishments also. Quote, the disappointment was so fresh and sore. that we did not have the strength, nor the courage to tell even our children about it. And what about the children? For the great majority of them, the main motivation was the same. Graduate school, career, and so on.
Starting point is 02:38:32 Yet soon they have to examine their situation more closely. I want to point out some of the similarities between roughly 70s U.S.S.R. to the U.S. over the last maybe three years. And all of it comes from, on the one hand, Netanyahu ruining everything. And Hamas. The invasion of Hamas against Israel changed the world. The entire world was involved. That was part of the plan.
Starting point is 02:39:08 They personally, as a group, couldn't take on the entire IDF. But they knew that what the Jewish reaction was going to be, the violence. They were used to it. And I don't think they even, I don't think they, in their dreams ever thought it would be like this. That now, relations between Jews and Gentiles, especially with this war going on. And it's awful, you know, for the Americans are losing huge numbers of men and material, which is nothing to be happy about. The Kurds, maybe, but not the American boys who I just read today are wandering around.
Starting point is 02:39:47 If their bases have been destroyed, they're getting hotel, I don't know what to do. And that's funny. But it's, you know, it's a victory for nationalism. It's a victory against liberalism and cosmopolitanism. We're seeing a very similar situation here. The fact that Afghanistan, the disaster of Marxism in that country, which, you know, never believed in it, in the future. And then, of course, Chernobyl, which the system. lied about. Now, the Soviets fault for not saying anything about it, leaving the field open,
Starting point is 02:40:27 but all of this and the poverty now of the USSR, the debt, and then you'd have to do anything. It's not like the U.S. had to go into all of the third-world countries the Soviets took and do much. It was their own doing, or at least the perception of their own doing, that brought them down. This was the issue. How was that their eyes were? opened only now. I could say the same thing about Jews concerning Netanyahu. All of a sudden, you have all these Jewish leftist organizations saying that Israel is in a pressure state. I don't remember them saying anything in 2006 or years before then. Nothing has really changed except that Netanyahu adopted socially right-wing, what we might consider vaguely right-wing
Starting point is 02:41:16 programs and then his attack on the judiciary, splitting Israeli society and Jews around the world, and then Hamas. Hamas invasion changed everything. In this case, it was a bit more gradual. The Soviet Union, and this is why I changed my life when I was a teenager and got into this field. How to hell does a huge empire completely fall apart without a war? Just one. day it's not there anymore. Unprecedented. It was barely gradual. I mean, it was a year at most.
Starting point is 02:41:54 I'm sitting there. I used to read New York Times back then because I thought that's what smart people did. And every headline, my God, what's happening? I still have those in New York Times, by the way. That is completely collapsing overnight. And this issue is part of it. Not the entire thing, but this issue is a part of it.
Starting point is 02:42:15 the Jews leaving, taking their money with them, taking their abilities with them. They had built the Soviet Union. And now all of a sudden, just like Trotsky when he went to Mexico, all of a sudden, condemning the Soviet Union as terribly oppressive.
Starting point is 02:42:28 And because there was a lot of writing against the Jews there at the time, they both, as I said, created fake organizations and went hysterical and wrote about how the Jews were oppressed, just like the Russians were. There was a few people
Starting point is 02:42:44 Northern grad schools said the same thing to me. Oh, the Russians were oppressed, certainly. But, you know, they're not like the Jews. You know, they can never catch a break. They would say that about America today. They're saying that now because we're questioning the Israeli system for the first time in public. All of a sudden, this is a new showup. This is a new Holocaust.
Starting point is 02:43:11 So I can't, I, I, I, I, I, I can't get over the similarities between these two errors. And I hope the similarities continue over time. Do you want to stop here? Looks like there's a break and it's going to go into the 1970s. Yeah. I have no problem with it. Okay.
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Starting point is 02:44:32 All right, my friend. See you then. I want to welcome everyone back to our reading of 200 years together by Alexander Soshenison. This is episode number 115. Dr. Johnson, how are you doing today? I'm doing quite well. You know, I've got to write a paper or something on cat sociology. You see here back there? And the hierarchies they create, now that Marcel has passed on, there's chaos to be, you know, Stanley's number two. And I could see it.
Starting point is 02:45:06 There's a lot of confusion. No one knows where to go. Stanley runs a very, very tight ship. and without Marcel, everyone wants to be his equal. I tell you, it's like a soap opera around here. It's incredible. They're acting like humans. Unreal.
Starting point is 02:45:21 Yeah. Power vacuum opens up and people start jockeying to fill it. You know, dogs form packs, cats form hierarchies. That's how it is. All righty. We are going to pick up at the break on page 595. Here we go. In the 1970s, we see examples of rather amazing agreement of opinions unthinkable for the past half century.
Starting point is 02:45:48 For instance, Shulgin wrote in 1929, quote, We must acknowledge our past, the flat denial claiming that the Jews are to blame for nothing, neither for the Russian Revolution nor for the consolidation of Bolshevism, nor for the horrors of the communism, is the worst way possible. It would be a great step forward if this groundless tendency to blame all the troubles of rush on the Jews could be somewhat differentiated. It would be already great if any contrast could be found. I've never met a soul ever that blames all the world's or country's problems on Jews or anyone else. That's a very common slogan from our opponents. You're blaming the world's
Starting point is 02:46:30 problems on one group. No, there's a very specific group of problems that they have, Jews have a tremendous influence on. And as you know, I'm finishing up a paper on this era, 1970s, as a Jews separate themselves from the USSR. As they separate themselves, you're seeing some form of Russian slash maybe even semi-Soviet nationalism developing that wouldn't have been possible before. and in the 80s you had nationalist groups actually form sometimes even within the party which suggests when the Jews have
Starting point is 02:47:14 disengaged to a great extent this is what happens and and that continued and a lot of those early groups are long gone but it's odd to even say that nationalist groups depended on the party for their
Starting point is 02:47:33 for basic support. But if you go to the Russian Communist Party today, go to their website. Even the old Ukrainian progressive socialists, I mentioned them before. Of course, they're banned. Everything's taken down. They are national socialists
Starting point is 02:47:53 or national Bolshevik in every way, except for the big picture of Lenin, you know, they have somewhere. otherwise, you know, yeah, they talk about usury. They talk about the importance of the nation. They're even orthodox. And it found its root in the 1970s. And that's why it found its root in the 1970s,
Starting point is 02:48:14 who the specific group of people finally said, Israel, the U.S., they're wealthier. That's where the money is. And that's where we're going to go. Fortunately, such contrasts and even more comprehension and even remorse, were voiced by some Jews, and combined with the honest mind and rich life experience, they were quite clear. And this brings hope.
Starting point is 02:48:39 Here's Dan Levin, an American intellectual immigrated to Israel. Quote, it is no accident that none of the American writers who attempted to describe and explain what happened to Soviet Jewry has touched this important issue. The Jewish responsibility for communism. In Russia, the people's anti-Semitism is largely due to, to the fact that the Russians perceive the Jews as a cause of all the evil of the revolution. Yet American writers, Jews and ex-communists, do not want to resurrect the ghost of the past. However, oblivion is a terrible thing. How can you not laugh when you hear they don't want to resurrect the ghost of the past?
Starting point is 02:49:19 Of course, that's all Jews do. But the fact that there's a certain fear that Levin notes that no one wants to talk about this. only the show they want to talk about but something far worse something far more systematic something that lasted a lot longer
Starting point is 02:49:40 you know Nuremberg being based on Soviet models and you know I can't go into detail now but we all know it was run by Soviet judges or least dominated by
Starting point is 02:49:59 Soviet judges. And so trials in the USSR were taken as precedent, believe it or not, there. So goes to the past, yeah, there's only one past, quote unquote, that wants to be resurrected. Everyone else, no, we don't want to talk about that. But we all know, during the actual revolution itself, in the first few years, during London's lifetime, you had lots of people talking about this issue. And it's something that, you know, of course, the Jews are never going to take responsibility for. You know, we all know the numbers. We all know people like Wilton's last days of the Romanos came out in 1920.
Starting point is 02:50:47 Has great detail. He worked for the British media. Great detail about precisely which Jews, where, when, and how were involved in these kind of a This mass murders the tyranny against Russian Orthodox people especially, and of course murdering the royal family. But there again, you see, it's largely due to the fact that the Russians perceived Jews as a cause of all the evils of the revolution. You see, whenever someone puts it like that, when they try to caricature your views, generally speaking, that means that they don't have anything. it's something they and now of course
Starting point is 02:51:27 we have laws in the EU and Britain they exist in Russia but are not enforced for any scholarly approach they actually concern incitement
Starting point is 02:51:43 that's not the case in Europe we mention this stuff and there's a very good chance you're going to prison and I always always like the psychology behind that the only group as always the only group that you cannot question. Simultaneously, another Jewish writer and emigre from the Soviet Union published
Starting point is 02:52:02 the experience of the Russian Jewry, Soviet Jewry, in contrast to that of the European jury, whose historical background, quote, is the experience of a collision with the forces of outer evil requires a look not from inside out, but rather of introspection and inner self-examination. In this reality, we saw only one Jewish spirituality, that of the Commissar, and its name was Marxism. Or he writes about our young Zionists who demonstrates so much contempt toward Russia, her rudeness and savagery, contrasting all this with the worthiness of the ancient Jewish nation. I saw pretty clearly that those who today sing Hosanna to Jewry glorifying it in its entirety without the slightest sense of guilt or the slightest potential to look inside.
Starting point is 02:52:56 Yesterday we're saying, quote, I wouldn't be against the Soviet regime if it was not anti-Semitic. And two days ago, they beat their breasts in ecstasy. Long lived the great brotherhood of nations, eternal glory to the father and friend, the genius comrade Stalin, end quote. But today when it is clear. I'm sorry. And Shulzhenits in his novel. Yeah, no problem. In his novels, Sultanese and mocked precisely this sort of person, you know, which is so difficult.
Starting point is 02:53:26 I mean, I have to suffer to some extent with this, too, seeing people who are promoted because they say things like, you know, eternal glory to the father and friend, not because they have any talent. And this is happening everywhere. and all over the Red Wheel in particular from Schultz and Eatson, he gets into this issue. And it was extremely difficult. Now, he did win the Nobel Prize, so that kind of made up for it. But at the time, this psychological profile was everywhere. Now, I don't like it. He doesn't mention the name, the Jewish emigre, but it is extraordinary.
Starting point is 02:54:11 for him to say this. I mean, you got to, you know, there has to be a Jew here and there that's going to be introspective enough to say we need to examine ourselves. And to say that Jewish spirituality was that of the commissar and his name was Marxism. That is, that's an extraordinary thing. And even going into the Zionist, this, this cult of violence and death that you found in most of the politically active Jews at the time. is and continues today, as we all know, is extraordinary. And the neocons in America, that's a death cult. They want wars on four or five front. So meaning huge casualties, slaughter of innocence, slaughter of civilians, it just doesn't matter. It is a death cult. Introspection, that's, you know, a minimum. but other than men like him
Starting point is 02:55:13 I remember during the war in Yugoslavia there was a I don't know it was a newsweek one of these that said Serbia time for introspection talking about Serbs you need to look inward
Starting point is 02:55:29 why are you so evil why are you so awful and it made me extremely angry seeing that because they will never do that with themselves and it is true the ancient Jewish nation
Starting point is 02:55:42 while constantly sinning and getting punished and eventually being destroyed. In its day, you know, great kings like Josiah, and the great prophets and stuff like that, that is something to celebrate. But of course, we all know the Talmud rejects these people. Jeroboam, maybe they won't reject. So this is extremely, it's nice to read it, but institutionally, it's never going to happen.
Starting point is 02:56:17 The writer that he doesn't name there is Alexander Sikonik, Soviet and Russian writer and author of prose and literary essays. I'm not familiar with that name. Yeah, it's not mentioning his background here, but we can only assume. But today, when it is clear how many Jews were in the Iron Bolshevik. leadership and how many more took part in the ideological guidance of a great country to the wrong track should the question not arise among modern Jews as to some sense of responsibility for the actions of those Jews. It should be asked in general, shouldn't there be a kind of moral responsibility,
Starting point is 02:57:02 not a joint liability, yet the responsibility to remember and to acknowledge? For example, modern Germans accept liability to Jews directly, both morally and materially, as perpetrators are liable to the victims. For many years, they have paid compensation to Israel and personal compensations of surviving victims. So what about Jews? When Mikhail Khefetz, whom I repeatedly cite in this work, after having been through labor camps, expressed a grandeur of his character by repensing on behalf of his people for the evil committed by the Jews' New Soviet Union in the name of communism, he was bitterly ridiculed. If we had, if, if, if Jews acted the same way as Germans did, there would be massive reparations,
Starting point is 02:57:53 probably to the Russian Orthodox Church and signs of, of sorrow and, you know, promises to improve. I can't even imagine it. But you're always going to have people like Mikhail Kieffitz and, you know, a handful of others. who just, I mean, a fact won't budge. No matter what you do, no matter what kind of special pleading, no matter what kind of mental gymnastics you're able to accomplish,
Starting point is 02:58:21 facts won't get out of the way. And there has to be a tiny minority of Jews who realize this. And especially Russian Jews and say, yeah, well, if Germany can do it, what does that mean for us? We were a massive part of the early revolution. We were a continuous part of the Soviet state right up until maybe the 80s. You know, late 70s, you know, there are plenty of Jews who are constantly apologizing for Israeli policy. You have Orthodox Jews who are opposed to it on principle, and we'll always talk about the evil of these people and what they've been doing.
Starting point is 02:59:09 But when it comes to the USSR, there's either prison for the person who brings it up or absolute silence. The whole educated society, the culture of circle, had genuinely failed to notice any Russian grievances in the 1920s and 1930s. They didn't even assume that such could exist, yet they instantly recognized the Jewish grievances as soon as those emerged. Take, for example, Victor Perilman, who, after emigrating, published an anti-Soviet Jewish journal, Epoch and we, and who served the regime in the filthiest place, in the filthiest place, in Schakowski's Literaturnia Gazeta, until the Jewish question had entered his life. Then he opted out. At a higher level, they generalized it as the crash of illusions about the integration
Starting point is 03:00:05 of Jewry into the Russian social movements about making any about making any change in Russia. They will muddy the waters. They will change the subject. And the best thing that they have been able to come up with is that Stalin was an inter-Semite. And this is something that, and this is believed, I think, by most educated society, certainly most academics. And the neocon movement comes directly from this. And coming from, you know, not just Trotsky, but a lot of these Jews who were disillusioned. And it was so easy just to blame one man rather than Marxism as such, which they could not do and will not do. Marxism wasn't the problem.
Starting point is 03:00:56 It was this, this, this, this, this, this, this, who ruined it all. You have plenty of Jews now saying, it's not. Zionism. It's this one murderer, Netanyahu. All of a sudden, these Jewish groups are coming into existence that didn't say a word over the last, God knows how many decades in Gaza, for decades at least since 2006, didn't say a word about it, that now they have to act like they're opposed to it. So, and I've had these discussions before. I've had them in an academic environment when I was a grad student. I've had them.
Starting point is 03:01:37 And of course, you know, you can't just come out and say it as a grad student. You have to be very careful. But you can't ask questions. Get an innocent look on your face and you ask a question about it and see what happens. And, you know, every once in a while, when I had Facebook, it happened a lot. But I was kicked off permanently. So, but I still get it. and generally what happens is, I think the biggest argument that I get in return, I would say, is that, well, it's not equal to the German version because it wasn't based on race.
Starting point is 03:02:18 And I said, how does that matter? You still have far more corpses here. What difference does it make? I mean, in other words, they will come up with whatever, to the extent that they understand that they're suffering with cognitive dissonance. projection. I mean, the Soviets were just all projection after 1945. You know, and it's got to be painful for those who are somewhat aware of it. Because, you know, when you're forced to believe two opposite things at the same time, it's painful.
Starting point is 03:02:50 Although there's plenty of people who aren't sensitive enough to even care. They will come up with anything to make it, make, you know, and it ultimately comes down to the fact. that as many Jews believe, that they are the aristocrats of the world, killing one Jew is far worse than killing anyone else. It's hard for them to say that openly. They do sometimes, so they come up with all of these other, and I've read the genocide debates. Well, what counts as genocide? Well, we all know the Holocaust, but then, you know, nothing else ever comes up to that level. We know the reason why.
Starting point is 03:03:30 but their arguments are pure special pleading. And you're going to get it here. The one thing you're not going to get is Jews as a, or even a substantial minority of Jews, coming out and apologizing to Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Russian Orthodox Church, God knows, Kazakhstan, and making reparations to those institutions. The church, governments, whatever they have to do, that's never going to happen. and partially because, you know, they, other than Russia, they've taken over. In Ukraine, of course, is a American colony administered by Jewish oligarchs.
Starting point is 03:04:11 And then, of course, have their speech codes and they could send people to prison and their media. Russia is an exception. Belarus is certainly an exception. But, you know, you can't be in the EU without adopting these kind of laws. uh it's it's you know what they will demand that of everybody else and it's something that over the decades has really it's a huge pet peeve of mine and it doesn't take much to you know but admitting that your main focus of identity was involved in something like this the mass mass murder and torture of uh of russian orthodox and and many others in the ussr that destroys their
Starting point is 03:04:55 whole narrative of their very existence but you have have a handful, a small handful like Solton Easton is talking about here, who are capable of it. And yes, they're ridiculed, and I think they're ridiculed for a whole bunch of reasons, one of which is that Russians are not just going, they're the lowest
Starting point is 03:05:13 of the Goyim. And I firmly believe that's a huge part of the Jewish mentality on these questions. Thus, as soon as the Jews recognized or explicit antagonism to the Soviet regime, they turned into its intellectual opposition. In a
Starting point is 03:05:28 to the social, in accord to their social role. Of course, it was not them who rioted in Novoche-Nosur-Kosk or created an unrest in, I'm sorry? Yeah, a bunch of, a bunch of Russian-soviet towns. Crosnodar, Alexandrov Moram, and Kostroma. Yet the filmmaker Mikhail Rahm picked up his heart and during a public speech unambiguously denounced the anti-cosmopolitan campaign. And that became one of the first Sammestat documents. And Ron himself, who in so timely a manner, rid himself of his ideological impediments, became a kind of spiritual leader for the Soviet Jewry, despite his films Lenin in October 1937, Lenin in 1939, and despite being a five-fold winner of the Lenin Prize. And after that, the Jews had become reliable supporters
Starting point is 03:06:25 and intrepid members of the democratic and dissonant movements. You know, it's sometimes, it's hard for people who are just starting on this, on this journey to understand what happened here, where you had in the early part of the revolution, was, you know, it was an ethnic movement. Even Churchill said so. It was an ethnic movement for the most part. Many of them, not even from Russia. We know how many were brought from Brooklyn in New York City, the rest of New York City,
Starting point is 03:06:54 with Tronsky. It isn't merely that. I have completely forgotten the point I was going to make. I'm sorry. But, you know, it is so easy for them to pick out things like the so-called anti-cosmopolitan campaign, which was not solely aimed at Jews. And the purges Stalin of the old Bolsheviks, where you have, you know, because so many Jews were involved in the early part of the revolution,
Starting point is 03:07:29 any purge of that generation is going to affect many Jews. Therefore, you could say Stalin was anti-Semitic. I could even give you, you know, and in addition to all that, despite the fact that Stalin was the founder, or the first supporter and first to recognize the state of Israel, it didn't take long, really two and a half years. for him then to be forced to turn on them due to their support of the U.S. and in the Korean War. And eventually, you know, the Jews realizing that you could get a much better deal out of the Americans. Hence, the Soviets were forced to support Egypt and Iraq and Syria against, you know, they lost very badly. And then eventually we're out of here. but the concept of Stalin being an anti-Semite, that's what saves them.
Starting point is 03:08:27 They could say, we were oppressed too, not understanding the issues. And we've talked about this many times. I've written about it to the point where I'm sick of it. It's a simple lie. He was not anti-Semitic. He was not a Russian nationals. He was not Orthodox. And he enforced those laws that were passed by Vladimir Lennon.
Starting point is 03:08:50 and those were enforced up until the late 70s. Looking back from Israel, the din of Moscow, another witness reflected, quote, a large part of Russian Democrats, if not the majority, or of Jewish origin. Yet they do not identify themselves as Jews and do not realize that their audience is also mostly Jewish. I remember the point I was going to make for people who are just getting into this. You had a Jewish beginning to the USSR. But once Jews separated and eventually the Soviet Union fell, saying from 89 to 91, they were also the oligarchs who ruled over the so-called democracy under the frontman, Yeltsin I used to call them.
Starting point is 03:09:40 Huge numbers of view. Not just even in Russia, it was in the U.S. and elsewhere. huge number of Jewish names. It didn't matter. The ideology to them was, and this is one of the arguments I use, that there was no real ideology. The workers, labor had nothing to do with any of this. Because the same group were there in, say, between 1905 to throughout almost most of the existence of the USSR. but once it dissolved, they were there to completely, again, take over all the, what was left of the labor of mostly Russian and Ukrainian people in the USSR.
Starting point is 03:10:29 And they, you know, took over. They became an oligarchy. And they started the whole process over again. It didn't matter whether one ideology was allegedly Marxist, the other allegedly capitalist. That didn't make any difference. We know that they're very similar ideologies at their foundations. We've known that for a very long time. But you have Jews before and after running things. And, you know, Putin got a lot of crap for saying that it was a disaster that the Soviet Union fell.
Starting point is 03:11:02 And, well, he's right. We know what happened after the Soviet Union fell. Solzhenitsyn was the only one to predict it. very few others at the time saw it coming. It happened very quickly. It happened without warfare, which I think is unprecedented, practically overnight. And that's why I got into this field. I couldn't believe it.
Starting point is 03:11:28 All the anti-communist movements now finally see some victory. The problem was is what took its place. You had a total vacuum. Vacuums don't exist in politics. someone has to take over. Who is the best organized? Despite everything, despite their very small numbers, we know who is the best organized. Who is in the best place group to take over when they privatized the entire economy?
Starting point is 03:11:56 And how they manipulated people to give up their shares. Everyone is supposed to get a share in these privatized firms. But, you know, they use the same methods they use in the 19th century. and they took over completely. Harvard was sued by the State Department, the economics department, because they were a part of the scam, Jewish names on both sides.
Starting point is 03:12:24 That's actually something I haven't spoken of it a long time, but I should. And that lawsuit proves my point. And there's one thing that it's difficult to wrap your brain around, and especially for beginners, Jews on one side, and then Jews on the other side. And you had neocons, and I distinctly remember this. We talked about, especially in Ukraine, that democracy, Democrats, oligarchs, Jews,
Starting point is 03:12:53 these were all used as simultaneous things in the media, especially when the so-called Orange Revolution of 2004. Democracy was oligarchy in the minds of not just Western media, but Western governments. And essentially at the time, Jewish oligarchy, this was the movement for democracy. And it's one of the reasons I started with my early website. And I just became more and more vocal because, of course, really no one was challenging this. It's very important to know that.
Starting point is 03:13:30 It was ethnic at the beginning and ethnic at the end. And so the Jews had once again become the Russian revolutionaries, shouldering the social duty of the Russian intelligentsia, which did Jewish Bolshevik so zealously helped to exterminate during the first decade after the revolution. They had become the true and genuine nucleus of the new public opposition, and so yet again no progressive movement was possible without Jews. Who had halted the torrent of false political and often semi-closed court trials? Alexander Ginsburg and then Paval Litvanov and Larissa Bogoraz did.
Starting point is 03:14:10 I would not exaggerate if I claim that their appeal, quote, to world public opinion, end quote, in January 1968, delivered not through unreliable Samistak, was, but handed fearlessly to the West in front of the Czechos cameras, had been a milestone of Soviet ideological history. Who were those seven brave souls who dragged their leaden feet to Lobnyo Mesto, a stone platform in the Red Square, on August 25, 1968. They did it not for the greater success of their protest, but to wash the name of Russia from the Czechoslovak disgrace by their sacrifice. Four out of the seven were Jews. Remember that the percentage Jews in the population of the country then was less than one percent. We should also remember Semyon Glouzman, who sacrificed his freedom in the struggle against the nut houses. Disidents
Starting point is 03:15:03 were sometimes incarcerated in psychiatric clinics. Many Jewish intellectuals from Mosul's were among the first punished by the Soviet regime. Yeah, he's referring to the protests against the invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968. You didn't have so much in 56 in Hungary, but you did have rumblings in central Europe in parts of the Warsaw Pact. In my paper on Soviet psychiatry, you see, you know, that's generally speaking, is a is very much a Jewish at least at its origins a Jewish movement I'm seeing many Jewish names opposing Soviet this method of punishment which really began I guess late Khrushchev and came into its own under Brezhnev precisely at the time when the Jews were
Starting point is 03:15:57 separating from the USSR and of course today it's you know anti-communist in the Soviet is quite fashionable supporting the Ukrainians. It just seems strange for me. I also have a paper on the attempted coup in 1991. It seems strange that you're rooting for members of the Communist Party. None of them were Jews. They were all Russians. I won with a Lithuanian.
Starting point is 03:16:30 And that's no accident. It was a completely different conception of Russia versus what the Jews had founded in 1918. And they were in the right in the sense had they stopped that the Soviet Union could have simply been restructured slowly and had more of a Chinese, you know, very successful. You know, anyone who says China is a communist country is an idiot. it is a social nationalist or a national socialist economy in any definition of that conception. And many Russian nationalists at the time, even members of the party, were looking to China in the early 90s as a way out.
Starting point is 03:17:23 But it didn't happen. You know, keep in mind, Alexander Grushenko, who remains popular. in Belarus, stopped the privatization. Earl, he was never a member of the party. You know, that wasn't at that late date, and they all, Putin and Lukashenko, came up precisely during this era, very different from those who were born in the 30s. It was a completely different environment. So, and again, it's not that they were wrong to fight the psychiatric clinics.
Starting point is 03:17:58 They were absolutely right, and they give valuable information. but they wouldn't have done it if this had been an issue 20 years earlier. That's the point I think consistently. Cholson-Etsin is trying to make. Yet very few dissidents ever regretted the past to their Jewish fathers. P. Litvinov never mentioned his grandfather's role in Soviet propaganda. Neither would we hear from V. Belisorkovsky how many innocents were slaughtered by his mouser-toting father.
Starting point is 03:18:29 communist race alert, who became a dissident later in life, was proud of her membership in that party even after the Gulag Archipelago. The party, quote, she had joined in good faith and enthusiastically in her youth, the party to which she had wholly devoted herself, and from which she herself had suffered, yet nowadays it is not the same party anymore, end quote. apparently she did not realize how appealing the early Soviet terror was for her. And at a certain level, he's not just being funny. It is perfectly acceptable to use terror against the goy and once, say, a Jewish oligarchy takes power. In Ukraine, I've written many, many others, too, even more than me, on the persecution of the Orthodox Church.
Starting point is 03:19:20 They'll find, you know, the excuse in the early part of the revolution was we need their valuables to to melt down and sell to give money to the starving, you know, which course was a lie anyway. That was their excuse in shutting down churches. Now it's, oh, they're connected to Russia. Well, every church in Ukraine is at some level connected to Russia. In the Orthodox world, that barrier is very, is very porous. So how convenient.
Starting point is 03:19:51 And now they're shutting down monasteries. They're arresting. It's the exact same thing. It doesn't matter what, and in the name of Ukrainian nationalism, it makes your headspin. Ukrainian nation came in really self-consciously into existence, at least in the modern era, and its battle against the unions, the Polish Empire, and the Jews in their pay. And that's where the conception of Ukrainian nationalism came from. So now they have to rewrite history to alter that.
Starting point is 03:20:25 and to see someone like Zelensky with the with the with the Cossack Hetman you know Bunchok the the Mace I have I have one back there is absolutely sickening the Cossacks of all people he's holding their their symbol of the Hetman in his hand as if I'm one of you but today I you know some of the the Ukrainian the Ukrainian so-called progress Progressive Socialist Party. People are saying that this is leftist. I don't see a leftist syllable in it. Not that anything is left there, but I have many papers. I quote some of their writers. And even the Russian Communist Party. I don't want to exaggerate. I don't want to go too far. But they're essentially Eurasianist party who claims to be Orthodox, or at least claims that it needs to be specially protected as a historical religion of the Russian people. You know, there's a tiny smattering of Jews in it. I think right now, I think Shultzny's right. He wrote this many years ago.
Starting point is 03:21:35 The population of Jews in Ukraine and Russia is far less than 1%. And they show their strength really only in the Jabodniks. That's not the case in Ukraine, unfortunately. And that's why they're a fourth world backwater who has miserably lost a war. they couldn't possibly have won as a colony of the U.S. And it's terrifying. Now their use of terror, killing Russian people.
Starting point is 03:22:07 It doesn't matter what the ideology is, what the situation is. This is the result of Jews in power. After the events of 1968, Sakharov joined the dissident movement without a backward glance. Among his new dissident preoccupations were many individual cases,
Starting point is 03:22:23 in particular personal cases of Jewish refusenics. Yet when he tried to expand the business, as he had innocently confided to me, not realizing all the glaring significance of what he said, Gelfand, a member of the Academy of Science, told him that, quote, we are tired of helping these people to resolve their problems, end quote. While another member, Zeldavich said, quote, I'm not going to sign any petition on behalf of victims of any injustice. I want to retain the ability to protect those who suffer for their nationality, end quote, which means to protect the Jews only. Yeah, and I don't know. There was also a purely Jewish dissonant movement.
Starting point is 03:23:08 Yeah, I think there's a bit of a delay here, but that's okay. You know, the dissident movement was huge, and I think we all know that. And it had many factions. and one of those factions was, you know, your Russian nationalist faction, very orthodox. They were royalists. And Solzhen Eastern was a part of it. And it was a huge, especially, you know, 50s, you know, Ivan Ilin, just one huge name in that, you know, in exile many, many years ago. But, of course, you had others.
Starting point is 03:23:47 I mean, you had Jewish liberals, especially at this period of time, where they had separated from the Soviet Union, Jewish liberals who now suddenly are anti-Soviet. And Shultz-Nitzen, when he was forced to go to the U.S., he was simply not trusted. He was followed by the FBI. But American liberals who, you know, didn't really like the Soviet system. had to find someone else. They found someone like Joseph Brozky, people like that. Those are the dissidents that we like. There were a million different factions,
Starting point is 03:24:27 and not to mention the national faction, Ukrainians and Georgians and the rest. But as I said before, it seems very strange that so many of the nationalist parties had their roots in the Communist Party of the USSR near the end of its existence. And so the coup of 1991, you had a very, very, yeah, the party as what your name says above, Rice Alert, which is, you know, not exactly a Russian name.
Starting point is 03:25:01 Yeah, it's not that party anymore. It's not, in other words, it's not a Jewish party anymore. And when the Jews, you know, you can move out of something, reject something, that's something is going to become very different. It's not going to become this liberal tyranny tomorrow. In Russia, that means it became, to a great extent, a Eurasianist, maybe even a nationalist movement, a national socialism or a social nationalism of one kind or another. And that's what happens when Jews leave. And this is what the Jews are talking about. And to claim, I don't want to help these people anymore.
Starting point is 03:25:40 I think he's just saying out loud what many Jews were saying internally. But that's no surprise to anybody. There was also a purely Jewish dissident movement, which was concerned only with the oppression of the Jews and Jewish emigration from the Soviet Union. More about it later. And it looks like we hit a break. Yeah. You know, I've said so many times that there were never any sanctions on the Soviet Union.
Starting point is 03:26:10 The only time it ever occurred was when Jews were. were not permitted to emigrate, to Israel, the U.S. And it got even harsher when Jews had to pay for there, had to pay a fee, because of course, especially those with specialized knowledge, had to pay a fee to cover the education of the state, you know, the state paid for, very expensive. and then the shrieks, and that's where the Jackson-Vatic Amendment came from precisely at this period of time. Suddenly, it was okay to be anti-communist.
Starting point is 03:26:54 Suddenly, there are sanctions on the USSR. They weren't substantial. They didn't last very long. There were some after the invasion of Afghanistan, but that was symbolic. The minute that the Jews left, the Soviet Union eventually collapses. Of course, he loved the situation in the 90s, but as soon as Putin takes over, starts throwing these people in prison, making orthodoxy, the official religion and doing everything he's done. Now, sanctions are intense. Now warfare, even talking about nuclear war, things that would never have even been considered in the 60s or 70s.
Starting point is 03:27:39 There's no anti-war movement. There's no protest of American nuclear weapons. moving back to Europe. I distinctly remember those protests in the 80s and they were being moved into Germany. It's all gone, suggesting that these were largely artificial movements. But when it's Russia, not USSR, when it's Russia, when it's Russia, Europe still is being influenced by that old Crimean War propaganda coming out of London, adopted by the U.S., the overwhelming ignorance about Russia and her people in her history. It's nothing but caricature.
Starting point is 03:28:20 And you hear it all the time. I hear it all the time. I was so happy that Iran took the attention off Ukraine and Russia because I just couldn't take it. It's a worst part of it for me, other than the slaughter of Orthodox Slavs. But the instant experts, you know, I was an undergraduate. I couldn't take it. but the overall point is is that Jews were so powerful
Starting point is 03:28:46 that the only time there was even considered sanctions on the Soviet Union was for Jewish immigration and what kind of enemy are you constantly investing in do you build and then rebuild after World War II all the debts which were in today's money would probably be in the hundreds of billions if maybe even more were completely wiped clean Remember, the Soviets were offered the Marshall Plan. The problem was the Marshall Plan worked only if they opened their books, which they refused to do.
Starting point is 03:29:19 I find that kind of hilarious. I have the feeling American corporations knew exactly what their situation was. But that was at least the official, well, I shouldn't even say official reason. The official reason was we can't deal with capitalists this way, which was nonsense. The underlying reason was opening books. but the U.S. simply created the special Soviet plan, even had a name, which it cached me at the moment. All debts canceled and huge amounts of American investment went in, and Western Europe was in no position to do much of anything. Western investment to rebuild the USSR.
Starting point is 03:30:02 And as I've said a million times, they'll say a million times more. this all means the entire history of the 20th century has to be completely rewritten because these assumptions that there was this grand battle between capitalism and Marxism in the 20th century is a lie.
Starting point is 03:30:21 Yeah, there was a lot of tension. Wars broke out. But, yeah, even the closest families fight and split up. That doesn't mean that they are not still sister ideologies mere images of each other. especially, you know, in the postmodern world.
Starting point is 03:30:40 So the Jewish dissident movement derives precisely from the concept of immigration. The Jewish Defense League, I don't know, I was just a kid, but this was going on. They were bombed. They tried to bomb the Soviet embassy. They tried to assassinate, you know, Soviet diplomatic staff and others in New York City. UN stamp and then of course in DC they became the number one terrorist group in America. The Puerto Ricans and the J.D.L. were number one and number two in terms of destruction, people killed, et cetera. And the J.D.L's concern was primarily to try to, you know, even if it's only
Starting point is 03:31:27 symbolically attacked the USSR. So only your most fanatical Zionists were anti-Soviet. to this day, you know, Jews still have a saw spot for it for the Soviet Union. But what always claimed that Stalin was Stalin ruined it all for us, which is not even true. But that's a nice way to insert themselves into this discussion. We were persecuted as well. And hearing that from people, it's, I have to, you know, be calm and cool and slowly explain it to them, which usually doesn't have any effect. Because truth doesn't necessarily change your mind.
Starting point is 03:32:04 when you have a strong self-interest to believe something. I guess all I do is introduce cognitive dissonance, which I suppose I should be happy about. Maybe one day they will be able to change their mind or at least realize the importance of such arguments. But, you know, it's an ongoing struggle. And believe it or not, I chose it. It's self-imposed.
Starting point is 03:32:32 Well, on that note, please go and support. Dr. Johnson's work. You could see how tortured he is over this. Indeed. No, really. Please go support Dr. Johnson's work. Go to the videos. The videos are on Rumble and Odyssey on my Rumble channel and my Odyssey channel now.
Starting point is 03:32:54 There are links in the, in the, there are links in the description of the videos. And that's all, that's the only place these are now. So if you know people who are asking about this, let them know this on Rumble and Odyssey and, yeah, help Dr. Johnson out. And, you know, we'll, when we decide what we're going to do next, I think the good thing about it is there may not be any fight because somebody believes that they own the work. So we'll try to work on that. All right.
Starting point is 03:33:30 Sounds good to me. I have a tendency to believe it had absolutely nothing to do with copyright because I heard somebody else was getting. threatened with their YouTube channel and copyright. And they're not reading books. So, yeah. Well, the first thing I thought of when I heard about that was Al Capone of all the things he did. They got him on tax evasion. You know, that was the first concept that I thought of.
Starting point is 03:33:53 But I also want to note, though, that your listeners have been very generous to me, especially at a rough time. You know, the hospital stuff, which I think is over, God willing. and recovering, having to play catch up and all that. The bills, there are some bills, and things insurance doesn't cover. So your listeners have been particularly generous, and I want to thank them collectively, and I really appreciate it. They are the best. I can assess to that, and I do appreciate them even when I'm yelling at them.
Starting point is 03:34:37 Oh, don't forget my Patreon. I'm sorry. My Patreon, I just uploaded a paper only for subscribers on the political ideology of the Shiite revolution, going back quite a long ways, which I'm almost positive. It's very difficult to find. I'm using mostly Russian sources because they're closer to the action. and I probably have, I'd say, 15 books, maybe more, maybe 20 books worth of material on there, all over the place. Mostly it's stuff that I, you know, I focused on, but there are some, you know, pop culture things in there, things that you know, normally don't associate me with.
Starting point is 03:35:21 So I know that Apple has taken it over, but, and they make me charge a minimum of fine. monthly. That's their policy. So that's all you need. And if you do that, I appreciate that as well. All right. So I'll see in a couple days. Thank you very much. All right, my friend. Bye-bye. I want to welcome everyone back to our reading of 200 years together by Alexander Solzhenison. This is episode number 116. Dr. Johnson, how are you doing today? done 116 hours. That's absolutely extraordinary. Yeah, it blows being away.
Starting point is 03:36:05 That's why we have to have something after this, because I don't know what we're going to do with our, you know, without this, I would feel, you know, like being in the courtroom with no shirt on. It would be very, very bizarre. But I got to tell you, I feel better than I did before I got sick last October. And that's pretty extraordinary.
Starting point is 03:36:34 And so again, I want to thank your listeners for the support, prayers, and everything else over that period of time. I'm the guy who never gets sick. And now, you know, here I was out of it for so long. So it's a big deal to do. me that your listeners were so generous and I thank them very much. They are truly amazing and it's amazing what happens when you make it make a conscious effort to reduce stress from your life, isn't it? Indeed, absolutely. And, you know, at my age, 54, I'm getting to the point where I don't have, you know, that's why I would never want to be young again. I don't want to
Starting point is 03:37:16 start from the bottom. I don't want to have to prove myself all the time. Uh, so much. stress is removed. Being young, especially today, I think it's absolutely brutal. All righty. Here we go, picking up where we left off last time. A transformation in public consciousness often pushes forward outstanding individuals as representatives, symbols, and spokesmen of the age. So in the 1960s, Alexander Gellich became such a typical and accurate representative of the process and attitudes in the Soviet intellectual circles. Gaylitch is a pen name, explains N. Rubinstein. It is made of syllables of his real name, Ginsburg, Alexander, Arkadyevich. Choosing a pen name is a serious thing. Actually,
Starting point is 03:38:07 I assume that the author was aware that, apart from being just a combination of syllables, Gaelic is also the name of the ancient Russian city from the very heart of Slavic history. Gaylach enjoyed the general support of Soviet intelligentsia. Tape recordings of his guitar performances were widely disseminated, and they have almost become the symbol of the social revival in the 1960s, expressing it powerfully and vehemently. The opinion of the cultural circle was unanimous. Quote, the most popular people's poet,
Starting point is 03:38:42 the bard of modern Russia. Gaylitch was 22 when the story. when the Soviet German War broke out. He says that he was exempt from military service because of poor health. He then moved to Grosny, where he, quote, unexpectedly easily became the head of the literature section of the local drama theater. He also organized a theater of political satire, end quote. Then he evacuated through Krasnove, Novosk to Cherchik near Tashkent in 1942.
Starting point is 03:39:18 He moved from there to Moscow with a frontline theatrical company under formation and spent the rest of the war with that company. I guess he wasn't too ill to do all of that. It's a tremendous amount of work. Sometimes it's hard to wrap your brain around them, you know, doing theater and everything else. Well, millions, quite literally, millions are being killed. So I'm not entirely sure where this is going. He recalled how he worked on hospital trains, composing and performing, and performing covers. for wounded soldiers. They were drinking spirits with a train master.
Starting point is 03:39:55 Quote, all of us, each in his own way, works for the great common cause. We were defending our motherland, end quote. After the war, he became a well-known Soviet scriptwriter. He worked on many movies and a playwright. Ten of his plays were staged by many theaters in the Soviet Union and abroad. All that was in the 1940s and 1950s, in the age of general spiritual stagnation.
Starting point is 03:40:22 Well, he could not step out of line, could he? He even made a movie about the Chekis and was awarded for his work. Well, if he was, if he's telling the truth and he was, you know, very eccentrically, you know, performing couplets for wounded soldiers, some kind of support, then I guess, I guess it's okay. But I'm like, who knows if he's telling the truth?
Starting point is 03:40:45 Yet in the early 1960s, Gailich abruptly changed his life. He found courage to forsake his successful and well-off life and walk in the square. It was after that that he began performing guitar-accompanied songs to people gathering in private Moscow apartments. He gave up open publishing, though it was, of course, not easy to read a name on the cover, not just someone else's, but mine. Surely his anti-regime songs keen, acidic, and are and morally demand.
Starting point is 03:41:19 were of benefit to the society, further destabilizing public attitudes. In his songs, he mainly addressed Stalin's later years and beyond. He usually did not deplore the radiant past of the age of Lenin, except one instance, quote, the carts were bloody cargo, squeaked by Nikitsky Gate, end quote. At his best, he recalls his society to moral cleansing, to resistance, gold diggers waltz, I choose liberty, valid of the clean hands, our fingers blotted from the question. questionnaires. Everyday silent trumpets glorify through vacuity. Sometimes he sang the hard truth about the past. In vain had our infantry perished in 1943 to no avail. Sometimes
Starting point is 03:42:03 red myths, singing about poor persecuted communists. There was a time almost a third of the inmates came from the Central Committee. There was a time when for the red color, they added 10 years to the sentence. Once he touched decool accusation, just in France. Disenfranchis, ones were summoned in first. Yet his main blow was against the current establishment. There are fences in the country, behind fences, live the leaders. He was justly harsh there. However, he oversimplified the charge by attacking their privileged way of life only. Here they eat, drink, rejoice. The songs were embittering, but in a narrow-minded way, almost like the primitive red proletarian propaganda of the past. Yet when he was switching his
Starting point is 03:42:48 focus from the leaders to the people. His characters were almost entirely boobies, fastidious men, rabbles and rascals, a very limited selection. I think I'm not 100% sure when these came out. Of course, you read titles. You know, back then when you want to criticize the leader, whether it be, you know, Brezhnev or Or, or Trinienka, anyone, anyone who's, you know, like that you had to you had to couch it in communist terms Lenin was untouchable he was the he was the standard
Starting point is 03:43:29 and he's falling into this trap I think where Stalin kind of ruined it completely different than Lenin so you know there's so I've read hundreds of letters and articles both underground and also actually addressed to the party, basically saying you have left the ideas of Lenin behind.
Starting point is 03:44:00 You know, what would Lenin think? You were not representative of the workers, something like that. Back then, you know, in 1968, everything changed because of the invasion of Czechoslovakia. there was a tremendous opposition to that, even with high levels of the party. And this was a point where people were noticing that high level party members lived a very,
Starting point is 03:44:28 very, very, very different life than the rest of society. So I don't know where precisely in the 60s, he changed like this. And if Schulte Nitzinich and likes you, you know, I have the feeling, you know, he was probably very good and not only very good, but very influential. And a lot of the things that we talk about here coming up, especially, we're seeing the slow but sure move of Jews away from the Soviet Union.
Starting point is 03:45:05 It's one of the most important and critical events of the 20th century. He had found a precise point of perspective for himself, perfectly in accord with the spirit of the time. He impersonalized himself with all those people who were suffering, persecuted, and killed. Quote, I was a GI, and as a GI I'll die. Quote, end quote, we GIs are dying in battle, end quote. Yet with his many songs narrated from the first person of a former camp inmate, he made a strong impression that he was an inmate himself, quote, and that other inmate was me myself.
Starting point is 03:45:44 I froze like a horseshoe and a slayed tray. Into ice that I picked with a hammer pick. After all, wasn't it me who spent 20 years. In those camps as a numbers, personal inmate number tattooed on my arm, we died, we died. From the camp we were sent right to the front. Many believe that he was a former camp inmate
Starting point is 03:46:05 and they have tried to find from Gaelic when and where he had been in camps. It seems to me that he's, you know, making up a story or at least implying something. You know, actually it's more than implying. I mean, he could say he's being metaphorical, but I don't know. He's being very specific here. I don't off the top of my head know what he means by GI, unless this really does a translation of how we used to use GI back in World War II.
Starting point is 03:46:38 but, you know, he's praising Gilech or Ginsburg, and now I think he's telling us the truth about him. So how did he address his past, his longstanding participation in the stupefying official Soviet lives? That's what had struck me the most. Singing with accusatory pathos, he had never expressed a single word of his personal remorse, not a word of personal repentance, nowhere. Didn't he realize that when he sang, quote, O'Party's Iliad, what a gift-wrapped grovelling, end quote. He sang about himself, and when he crooned, quote,
Starting point is 03:47:21 if you sell the unction, as though referring to himself, somebody else, did it occur to him that he himself was selling unction for half of his life? Why on earth would he not renounce his pro-official plays and films? No, quote, we did not sing glory to executioners, end quote. Yet, as a matter of fact, they did. Perhaps he did realize it, and he gradually came to the realization because later, no longer in Russia, he said, quote, I was a well-off screenwriter and playwright and a well-off Soviet flunky, and I have realized that I could no longer go on like that.
Starting point is 03:47:57 Finally, I have to speak loudly, speak the truth. But then in the 60s, he intrepidly turned the pathos of the civil rage, for instance, to the refutation of the gospel commandments, do not judge lest ye be judged. Quote, no, I have contempt for the very essence of this formula of existence, end quote, and then relying on the sung miseries,
Starting point is 03:48:20 he confidently tried on a prosecutor's robe. Quote, I was not elected, but I am the judge, end quote. And so he grew so confident that in the lengthy poem about Stalin, the legend of Christmas, where he in bad taste imagined Stalin as Christ, and presented the key formula of his, agnostic mindset, his really famous, the cliched quotes, and so harmful lines, quote,
Starting point is 03:48:44 Don't be afraid of fire in hell and fear only him who says, I know the right way, end quote. Yeah, I'm not sure how many people in the Soviet Union at the time knew his real name. This is why Jews tend to change their names, especially in these kind of revolutionary movements. This is a very harsh condemnation You know, I have a book out on Russian literature The Orthodox idea And God is so long ago I didn't remember the title
Starting point is 03:49:20 And I deal with Gogols, the government inspector Gogh is one of my favorite writers of all time And he actually says near the end He says, I don't think you people realize pointing to the audience I'm talking about you you know everyone who you read an article on the dunning cruger effect i i actually had a lecture on that and people are listening to it oh that doesn't apply to me how could that possibly apply to me
Starting point is 03:49:48 now in the jewish sense it's almost institutionalized um not a word of personal remorse not a word of personal repentance nowhere uh so this was simply a matter of um projecting he's in denial and I think that's pretty typical of these Jews in say the late 1960s that saw that the U.S.
Starting point is 03:50:19 that the West was shooting ahead in terms of the standard of living you know Americans were living better than the Soviets in general and you really can't cover that up for long there was too much interaction back and forth. And clearly the money was there.
Starting point is 03:50:42 There was more more to be made. This is prior to globalization. So there were so many jobs. You know, but of course, you know, imagining Stalin is Christ. This is a, of course, a blasphemy. And so how many people knew his name was Ginsburg is, I simply don't know the answer to that. But Christ did teach us the right way. What we see here in Gailich's words is just boundless intellectual anarchism that muzzles any clear idea, any resolute offer.
Starting point is 03:51:17 Well, we can always run as thoughtless but pluralistic, run as a thoughtless but pluralistic herd, and probably we'll get somewhere. Yet the most heartrending and ubiquitous keynote in his lyrics was the sense of Jewish identity and Jewish pain. quote, our train leaves for Auschwitz today and daily, end quote. Other good examples include the poems by the river of Babylon and Kaddish, or take this, quote, My six-pointed star burned it on my sleeve and on my chest, end quote. Similar lyric and illyrical and passionate tones can be found in the memory of Odessa. Quote, I wanted to unite Mandelstam and Scheigl. Your kinsman and your castoff, your last singer of the exodus,
Starting point is 03:52:07 as he addressed the departing Jews. And he was neither in any German camp or Soviet. I think we've seen and established now in this book that the way that Jews dealt with their role in, say, the first 40 years of the USSR, 30 years, was to say that we suffered too because Stalin wasn't interested in semi. I know I've said this before, but this is a huge theme here. And this is a form of either deflection or projection, taking his blame and projecting it onto this almost mythical leader. And why would you mention Auschwitz? I do not know.
Starting point is 03:52:56 I have not read him. I'm unlikely to read him in the future. but there's no doubt that he was aware of the slaughter of Russian people, especially the clergy and the demolition of churches, and all they could talk about is Jewish suffering. And, you know, in this, most of it, of course, as we all know, mythical. The Jewish memory imbued him so deeply that even in his non-Jewish lyrics, he casually added expressions such as,
Starting point is 03:53:31 quote, not a hook-nosed, quote, not a tartar, not a Yidd, quote, you are still not an Israel daughterer. And even Arina Rodionovka, Pushkin's nanny, immortalized by the poet in his works, lulls him in Yiddish. Yet he doesn't mention a single prosperous or non-oppressed Jew, a well-off Jew on a good position, for instance, in a research institute, editorial board, or in commerce. Such characters didn't even make a passing appearance in his poems. A Jew is always either humiliated or suffering, or imprisoned in dying in a camp. Take his famous lines, quote, You are not to be Chamberlains, the Jews.
Starting point is 03:54:17 Neither the Synod nor the Senate is for you. You belong in Salofky or Butyrki. The latter two were being political. prisons. What a short memory they have, not only Gailich, but his whole audience who were sincerely, heartily taking in these sentimental lines. What about those 20 years when Soviet jury was not nearly in the Solofki, when so many of them did parade as Chamberlains and in the Senate? They have forgotten it. They have sincerely and completely forgotten it. Indeed, it is so difficult to remember bad things about yourself. Now, we're talking about, you know, Jews as a group,
Starting point is 03:55:02 in Russia and then eventually the Soviet Union. I don't think it's so much for getting it as being in collective denial. You know, when you're in denial, I mean, as a neurotic state, you don't know you're in denial. Because if you knew, you wouldn't be in denial anymore. But there has to be, you know, at some level, Jews realized it doesn't take long to realize how many, Jews dominated the Soviet Union up until the 1960s. How privileged they were in many ways
Starting point is 03:55:40 under the Tsars, as we've discussed it at great length. To depict Jews as constantly suffering, it's a psychological way to deal with the fact that Jewish, Czechos, etc., that NKVD, then KGB, then KGB, destruction of orthodoxy of the Russian nation, Ukrainian nation, the Kazakh nation, etc. And the Jews were central there.
Starting point is 03:56:16 It's a way to deal with it. It's neurotic, but it's a way to deal with it. And, you know, we've debated this issue many times and social media or whatever. but they're so I don't think it's so much forgotten I think it's more neurotic than that I think this is the closest they can come to dealing with it and yet
Starting point is 03:56:41 they demand that you know about as far as Germany was concerned they demand you know this total cleansing of German society destruction of German society and all of this you have to look inward at yourself given what you've done and the only people they can't do that with
Starting point is 03:56:59 is themselves. Most other ethnic groups can do that and have done that, more or less collectively. As evidence of that, many Russian nationalist writers, orthodox writers, blamed Russians for allowing Jews and other leftists to break down society just before the fall of the czar. that Russians bear a certain part of the blame, just like we bear a certain part of the blame for how we live now. That collectively, whites have permitted this to happen. We haven't, but, you know, in the past, they certainly have. We can look at ourselves that way.
Starting point is 03:57:49 There's one group that can't. And so when they write or when they teach, what comes out is an old. over-emotional, neurotic, mythic understanding of themselves in history. And yet, unfortunately, that's the official line in the U.S., the entire Western world. There's only a few places where that's not the case. And then as much as among the successful people milking the regime, there were supposedly no Jews left, but only Russians. Gaelic's satire, unconsciously or consciously, hit the Russians, all those Klim Petrovich's and Paramonovs, all that social anger invoked by his songs targeted them through the stressed Rusopati derogatory term for Russians,
Starting point is 03:58:41 images and details, presenting them as informers, prison guards, profligates, fools and drunks. Sometimes it was more like a caricature, sometimes more contemptuous pity, which we often indeed deserve, unfortunately. Quote, greasy long hair hanging down. The guest started Yermak, a song about the Cossack leader in Rer, Russian folk hero. He cackles like a cock, enough to make a preacher swear, and he wants to chat about the salvation of Russia, end quote. Thus he pictured the Russians as always drunk, not distinguishing kerosene from vodka, not interested in anything except drinking, idle, and
Starting point is 03:59:21 simply lost or foolish individuals. Yet he was considered a folk poet, and he didn't imagine a single Russian hero soldier, workman, or intellectual, not even a single decent camp inmate. He assigned the role of the main camp inmate to himself, because, you know, all those prison guard seed. Camp bosses are Russians. And here he wrote about Russia directly, quote, Every liar is a Messiah, and just dare you to ask, brothers had there ever been any ruse in Russia. It is a brim with filth. and then desperately, quote, but somewhere perhaps, she does exist, that invisible Russia where under the tender skies, everyone shares God's word and bread.
Starting point is 04:00:12 I pray thee, hold on, be alive and decay. So in the heart, as in Katis, I could hear your bells, end quote. Yeah, I like how Solton Isson set this up. He's spending a lot of time on this guy. He was influential. He does not like this guy at all. He doesn't. But when you read the first couple of paragraphs, he's singing his praises.
Starting point is 04:00:40 He had the courage to, you know, turn on the USSR, et cetera. Then he, you know, brings him up and then smashes him down. He does have a few nice things to say about him paragraphs ago. But this is clearly, this is one of the worst. cases of projection that I've ever seen. Deep down, he knows a Jewish role in all this, and he's projecting it onto this artificial image. Very common among Jews about what a Russian is.
Starting point is 04:01:15 These are the people who use the phrase Soviet Russia, as if that makes any sense. And, yeah, calling himself a folk poet. You know, this is just it is absolutely outrageous, but it's not surprising. Certainly not surprising to any of us. And I believe, to a great extent, this is your neocon, Washington, D.C., conception of Russia. And that, you know, Russia is the problem.
Starting point is 04:01:49 The U.S. fought the U.S.S.R. because they thought it was a Russian empire. You know, they fought it sometimes. We have to admit. certainly not all the time, but sometimes it was a Russian Empire and I hold to the view that the English propaganda in the Crimean War
Starting point is 04:02:11 which was outrageous that set that's created the bias both in the U.S. and really the entire English-speaking world about what a Russian was and it's never, it's never went away. That was, that that began. And then, of course, we've already discussed so many, like William Randolph Hearst,
Starting point is 04:02:37 wanting to just destroy Russia because of the Jewish question, these mythic issues. And the American press, of course, you know, just followed the English press in that regard. London has always been the center of, so many of, you know, leftists, Marxists. and of course oligarchs ended up fleeing either to Israel or London and I think that that's still with us even intelligent people even educated people still have this bizarre view of Russians as not being Europeans of being ignorant etc and I've dealt with it even though I'm not the tiniest bit Russian
Starting point is 04:03:18 but in my work I've I've dealt with it and the myths and the stories that have been taken as true in the West. I mean, long before the war, now it's so deeply ingrained. And I believe it began in the Crimean War. There are a few people, writers I like, in fact, saying that our era, pretty much the Putin era, has been the new Cold War. And I have a huge, huge problem with that. because the Cold War saw support from the U.S. and Western Europe to the Soviet Union. There was more support than attacks.
Starting point is 04:04:00 No, this is the new Crimean War where all of Europe fought Russia based on these mythic ideas. And I should say Prussia was the one nation that would not join that fight. that's what's happening now this is a new Crimean War not a new Cold War I have an article where I discussed Biden Joe Biden when he was a senator he visited Richard Lugar from Indiana the Soviet Union in the 70s and he treated them with great respect oh hello party chairman or whatever and trying to make peace and and complimenting them on their society. And the minute Russia is no longer Marxist,
Starting point is 04:04:50 the mullahs are taken down and a Eurasianist, an orthodox Eurasianist takes over, now it has to be destroyed again. I've said it before, but Woodrow Wilson, the only time he ever had a problem with Bolshevism, in his own words, is when they started behaving like the Tsars.
Starting point is 04:05:11 There are many quotes from Wilson saying that. And this band, having changed his name, is feeding into this. And I think it was very easy to propagandize the American population, but there's something wrong with Russians. And the best example, of course, is a whole question of Marxism. What a shame that Marxism was tried there. If it was tried in the U.S., it would be so much different because, you know, we're democratic and we're progressive.
Starting point is 04:05:47 You know, the Russian mind took over in Stalin and his successor, totally destroying Marxism. And Stalin wasn't a Marxist anyway. In other words, the Marxist idea is fine. It's just because of Stalin that it became distorted and destroyed. It was tried elsewhere.
Starting point is 04:06:08 Today, it would be a completely different story. that's what the foundation of this so that wasn't real socialism comes from um so uh that's you know that's that's what i think is is continuing to happen and this is just one very influential version of it so with a new opportunity in the lure of emigration gailich was torn between the submerged legendary katesh and today's filth quote it's the same vicious circle the same old story the ring which cannot be either closed or open." End quote. He left with the words,
Starting point is 04:06:49 quote, I, a Russian poet, cannot be separated from Russia by the fifth article, the requirement in the Soviet internal passport, nationality. End quote. Yet some other departing Jews drew from his songs a seat of aversion and contempt for Russia, or at least the confidence that it is right to break away from her. heed a voice from Israel.
Starting point is 04:07:15 Quote, we said goodbye to Russia, not without pain, but forever. Russia still holds us tenaciously, but in a year, ten years, a hundred years, we'll escape from her and find our home. Listening to Gaelic, we once again recognize that it is the right way, end quote. And one of the central issues, and if I'm going to send my article in the Soviet Union in the 70s, it'll be posted at some point. I finally finished it. I'm finally happy with it.
Starting point is 04:07:50 The main, the most critical issue in, at least among American intellectuals and plenty of bureaucrats, state department, etc., was the disposition of Soviet. Sanctions were placed on the USSR only because, you know, for the first time, for the first time. Sanctions were placed on the Soviet Union because it couldn't allow Jews to emigrate to Israel. I'm not entirely sure this last line here. A Russian public cannot be separated from Russia by the laws regarding the internal passports. I think that doesn't prove much, especially everything else he said. and he's quoting, I'm not sure what 23 is. He's quoting someone from Israel saying that, you know, because of this contempt for Russia that Galitz showed, leaving was the best idea.
Starting point is 04:09:04 Calling himself a Russian poet is outrageous for him. It is absolutely grotesque. And I'm willing to say that this was, generally speaking, the point of view of Jews as they left the USSR at this point from the late 60s to, to the point now where there are very, very few Jews in Russia. It is a tiny percentage. And the same thing for Ukraine, making their oligarch dominance of Ukraine all the more. You know, obviously it's no coincidence. So, yeah, I think, I believe that this was the point of view of your typical Jew. Certainly is a case in Ukraine.
Starting point is 04:09:59 And in that case, don't forget, I have a book out on this topic that is selling well. That the Jews, especially the, you know, the Chabot organization, they win no matter what happens. They think they're doing damage to Russia, but it's okay if Ukraine is depopulated because they hate both. You know, it was hilarious seeing Jews supporting Ukraine, so-called nationalist government, despite the fact that Ukrainian nationalism is based on the revolt of Kmanyetsky, the Hadamak rebellion, where Jews were targeted. The whole purpose of the Cossacks early on was to free Christian slaves from Jews on the Black Sea. they're certainly aware of that, which shows you that, you know, they're willing to scuttle their principles if it suits them, you know, temporarily. You know, but I like this out, you know, Schulzheni's, he was considered a folk poet. And I think that he was very, you know, there's certainly plenty more than that, including Gentiles that spread this mythic understanding.
Starting point is 04:11:11 And it is significant that I'm, oh, I'm not, there's not a drop of Russian blood in me. you know, I had to learn at least some reading of the Russian language totally on my own. Even I get attacked this way. You know, somehow, what are you defending? These are not, you know, European peoples, et cetera. And, of course, I have all the genetic studies showing that that's not true. It's the same genetic background as you would have in Central Europe or in most of the West. So, you know, it's just, it's very frustrating.
Starting point is 04:11:52 And, you know, there are certain forms of racism that are perfectly not only permitted, but encourage. And the anti-Russian one is, is central. All right. We finished up that paragraph. And, I mean, that chapter and the next chapter is going to be, it's going to be a minefield that we're, it's going to be explosive. So I think we should hold off till the next. next episode and start. I agree.
Starting point is 04:12:21 So, yep. All right, this is a short one. I want to encourage everyone, as I always do, to go over to Rumble, and you're watching this on Rumble or Odyssey. Look at the show notes and donate to Dr. Johnson's work. Take care of him. This has been a long endeavor. We're going on 50, we're going to be on almost 16 months.
Starting point is 04:12:46 if we don't finish this by the end of the month. And yeah, just go show some love by his new book. And we'll come back in a few days and start the official seconds of the last chapter. And then there is an afterward by Professor Solzhenyso. Thank you, Dr. Johnson. As always. Yeah. I appreciate all your assistance.
Starting point is 04:13:16 You're a true friend, and I thank you. Take care now. Bye-bye. I want to welcome everyone back to our reading of 200 years together by Alexander Solzhenycin. This is episode number 117. Dr. Johnson, how are you doing today? I was a musician before I went into this field in 1990. And, you know, there's always a song in my head, always, always, always.
Starting point is 04:13:48 And once in a while I get a song that won't go away. And today it's Frank Zappa's Valley Girl that he did with his daughter. And it's, you know, I may need to call on Prince's Raspberry Beret because sometimes that will knock it out. Or Boston's feeling satisfied. That'll knock it out too. But otherwise, I am feeling tremendous. If you need a bigger earworm, you can always just think of the old song, Henry the 8th. Yeah, yeah, I know what's when you mean, yeah.
Starting point is 04:14:28 Yeah. Yeah, I have many techniques for this to get rid of it. It happens. All righty. Let's do this. Let's jump right in. Chapter 25, accusing Russia. I know you're going to have a lot to say about this one, so I'm just going to jump right in.
Starting point is 04:14:45 The Jewish break from the Soviet communism was doubtless a movement of historical significance. In the 1920s and 1930s, diffusion of the Soviet Jewry and Bolshevism seemed permanent. Then suddenly they diverge? What a joy! Of course, as is always true for both individuals and nations, it is unreasonable to expect words of remorse from Jews regarding their past involvement. But I absolutely could not expect that the Jews, while deserting Bolshevism, rather than expressing even a sign of repentance or at least some embarrassment, instead angrily turned on the Russian people.
Starting point is 04:15:21 It is the Russians who had ruined democracy in Russia, i.e. in February 1917. It is the Russians who are guilty of supported the regime from 1918 on. You know, a common argument that we both heard is that Soviet communism wasn't real communism, to which you say, well, I guess this isn't real capital. that, you know, anyone could say that. But there's a racial element to that. That if it were anyone else, you know, Marx personally loathed Russians. And this wasn't just the government.
Starting point is 04:15:59 It was the people and it had to be destroyed. It comes down to the fact that if it was founded anywhere else, you know, Italy, France, it would have done very, very well. but because it was a savage Russians well they they ruined everything beyond that this is this is nothing more than than projection I don't he says it's unreasonable to expect words of remorse from Jews you know nations have you know I mean Germany relative to their the Holocaust claim. White people are constantly demanded to
Starting point is 04:16:45 give words of remorse, other nonsense like this, not the Jews. And what he's saying here is that there's something different about the Jews, that they aren't capable of embarrassment or remorse concerning the fact that they were butchers in the early USSR or right up until maybe
Starting point is 04:17:09 when Khrushchev fell and so they'll project it onto anyone they they need to and this is to say nothing about the 90s which was just as Jewish as the early USSR you know again I'm sure they'll they'll say the same about that
Starting point is 04:17:32 that's indefensible what happened then I remember the I used to get to New York Times back then because I wasn't you know I was just I was 19 but you know that that was kind of always in the background it's Russians Russians are just not capable of of modern
Starting point is 04:17:55 ideology modern thing it's a very Jewish stereotype and it's I guess part of the reason why they had no problem slaughtering a huge numbers of them. Sure, they claim it is we, the Russian people, who are the guilty. Actually, it was earlier than 1918. The dirty scenes of the Rady and February Revolution were tale-telling, yet the neophyte anti-communists were uncompromising.
Starting point is 04:18:22 From now on, everyone must accept that they have always fought against the regime, and no one should recall that it used to be that their favorite and should not mention how well they had once served this tyranny, because it was the natives who created, nurtured, and cared for it. Quoting, the leaders of the October coup were the followers rather than the leaders. They simply voiced the dormant wishes of the masses and worked to implement them. They did not break with the grassroots. The October coup was a disaster for Russia. The country could evolve differently.
Starting point is 04:19:00 Then, in the storm of anarchy of the February Revolution, Russia saw the signs of law, freedom and respect for human dignity by the state, but they all were swept away by the people's wrath, end quote. My rule. My God. There's one thing we know about the Communist Party is that they had no connection whatsoever with the grassroots. These were all usually upper class, especially Jews. They were upper class either from Poland or Ukraine or even from the U.S. U.S.
Starting point is 04:19:37 Very few in the leadership had any connection at all with workers. They had an idealized conception of it. But of course, labor is not, you know, despite their harping on it, the proletariat was just an easy target. We talked about this many times in this book, but for those who haven't heard it, the concept of a proletarian is someone who, leaves his village to find work and goes into the big city, usually by himself. And there he has nothing except his body, his abilities. And he gets, you know, brought to the factory and is exploited. There's really nothing he can do about it.
Starting point is 04:20:27 But slowly, all the temptations of the city starts away on him. over time he loses contact with the mentality of the village and that alienation is where the Marxists come in once they become derationated once they lose that connection with orthodoxy or anything else that's the sort of guy that we can now approach that's why the proletariat was of interest to call Marx there was no chance of going to the village.
Starting point is 04:21:06 The villages, the rural areas. They've tried it in the past many, many times. To the people movement that we spoke of. And they usually got beaten up or they called the con, they sent them to jail. That wasn't going to work. And really, there was a contempt for them from there on end. But in my book, the Soviet experiment, the Barnes Review published,
Starting point is 04:21:29 which I highly recommend, by the way. For no other reason, then I go into detail as to why labor was not even a factor in Soviet policy. No one was more exploited than the Soviet factory worker. And here there was this, Sultan Yitzin says, The leaders of the October coup were the followers rather than the leaders. And he says, really? The new Iron Party was made up just of followers? but this was typical propaganda,
Starting point is 04:22:06 the voice the dormant wishes of the masses. You know, a mass is, the term masses refers to precisely these alienated people. You can't talk about masses in the countryside. You can only talk about them in the city once they've lost their identity, their connection with the church, and they're taken in by whether it be gambling or prostitution
Starting point is 04:22:29 or anything else, because they really don't have anything else. this is why their approach, and this is an important understanding of Marxism, and why things went the way they did. Buckle your seatbelts, folks. This is going to be quite the paragraph. There's four quotes in here by four different people. Here is a more recent dazzling treatment of Jewish participation in Bolshevism. Quote, the Bolshevism of Lenin and Russian Social Democratic Workers Party of Bolsheviks was just an intellectual and civilized form of plebeian Bolshevism.
Starting point is 04:23:11 Should the former fail, the latter much more dreadful would prevail. Therefore, by widely participating in the Bolshevik revolution, providing it with cadres of intellectuals and organizers, the Jews saved Russia from total mob rule. They came out with the most humane. of possible forms of Bolshevism. Next quote. Alas, quote,
Starting point is 04:23:42 just as the rebellious people had used the party of Lenin to overthrow the democracy of intellectuals, when did that exist, the pacified people used Stalin's bureaucracy to get rid of everything still harboring free intellectual spirit. End quote. Sure, sure. quote, the guilt of the intelligentsia for the subsequent dismal events of Russian history is greatly exaggerated. And in the first place, the intelligentsia is liable to itself. Last one. And by no means to the people. Well, just finishing that. And in the first place, the intelligentsia
Starting point is 04:24:28 is liable to itself. And by no means to the people. On the contrary, quote, it would be nice if the people realize their guilt before the intelligentsia? You know, there's so much here. You're right. This is one hell of a paragraph. I think a lot of this is the domain of psychology. You know, I think they're more or less aware of the huge Jewish participation. The first quote is the most interesting to me, that if the Jews didn't control it, the Russians being savage lunatics,
Starting point is 04:25:06 would have completely destroyed the country that somehow Russians are naturally anarchists or something along those lines. That's Shulgin, by the way. Yeah. You know, by what, you know, saving it from total mob rule, those humane form of Bolshevism. Well, Bolshevism could only go one way.
Starting point is 04:25:32 I've said it before. When anyone ever give you that line, it wasn't real socialism. You simply say this, well, you don't believe in markets and you don't believe in private property. All right. So then there has to be state planning and state planning implies ownership overall capital. So that automatically imply totalitarianism. That automatically implies a one-party state.
Starting point is 04:26:02 you can't have, you know, lots of dissenters with, you know, you have to carry out the plan. There's really no other option. All of the reforms of the 60s and 70s went nowhere because of the nature of the system. You know, and I don't understand the rest of them, I really don't grasp. To overthrow the democracy of the intellectuals. You know, the Soviets had, when you read Lenin, Stalin, anyone else like that in that era, they use these terms, the very general terms, as if they're almost referring to a person. You know, the workers are a single entity, the intelligency are a single entity.
Starting point is 04:26:56 You know, and of course, that's far from true. overwhelmingly intellectuals in Russia, especially the turn of the century, were opposed to that kind of agenda. Of course, at the same time, they rarely told people what they wanted, although in 1905, some of that did come out. Referring to the intelligency as this one group of people,
Starting point is 04:27:21 you know, the Orthodox Church had a huge intelligency. The group of philosophers that left on the so-called philosopher's ship after the whites lost the civil war. These were very, you know, these were not necessarily, you know, liberalism never really had a home there. And of course, now, after the 90s, it's permanently despised. You know, so the intelligentsia is liable to itself. I don't understand what that means at all. and realizing your guilt before the intelligence.
Starting point is 04:28:01 I just don't grasp it. I think he means the Marxist intelligence, you know, which was, you know, not a majority by any means. But the more interesting part of this was, yes, the Jews were a part of a big part of Marxism in the USSR and it was a good thing. Because if the Russians were involved or the mob, There would have been far more bodies, which is idiotic.
Starting point is 04:28:31 Again, this is a matter of projection. This is a matter of deflection to some extent. Psychology has a, and I've been talking about projection for a long time, and I realize that now, like the ruling class in the US, constantly projecting American problems onto Russia or China or India, where it really isn't appropriate. They do it all the time. So that's what I have to say about that.
Starting point is 04:29:02 It's just the Soviet method of writing, referring to labor as something that they represent and that a proletarian is who we say is a proletarian. It gets very irritating. They're used to the word fascism and stuff. Now, back then, of course, they weren't used. it. More recently, they use it. They use it pretty much for anything. Their use of language is extremely irritating over the last hundred years. And they're using intelligency in the same way here.
Starting point is 04:29:44 We've got a few more quotes here just to put the cherry on top. Indeed, quote, the totalitarian rule in its essence and origin is that of the people, end quote. New quote. This is a This is a totalitarian country because such was the choice of the Russian people. Could you imagine actually saying that and expecting to be taken seriously? Well, let's define totalitarian. It's something that really could only be done in the 20th century because you need a large bureaucracy and a certain level of technology. It's where every aspect of human life is regulated by the state. with tremendous surveillance and it's not merely, the state is not merely political, it's everything, right into the family life.
Starting point is 04:30:39 There's nothing that is unregulated by state power. Now, I don't remember any kind of a referendum where totalitarianism was on the ballot in Russian people. you know, these are just, these are almost dismissive, this incredibly ridiculous things. And the people who write them are considered, you know, scholars. Totalitarianism,
Starting point is 04:31:08 its essence and origin is that of the people. Now, I don't know what people he's referring to. I guess he's referring to, you know, party members, Russians in general. You know, it's they deliberately use these overly vague generalities to say very little but they still they still sound like they're they're scholarly and intellectual it's ridiculous the the irony of that
Starting point is 04:31:41 quote that you're just questioning is is that it comes from a book called self-consciousness the collection of articles oh boy self-awareness would be more fun but still more quotes. It is all because, quote, the Tartar's wild spirit captured the soul of Orthodox Russia, end quote. That is the, quote, Asian social and spiritual structure inherited by the Russians from the Mongols, is stagnant and incapable of development and progress, end quote. In parentheses.
Starting point is 04:32:23 Well, Lev Gumalov also developed the theory that instead of, the tartar yoke, there was a friendly alliance of Russians and tartars. However, Russian folklore and its many proverbs referring to tartars as to enemies and oppressors provided an unambiguous answer to that question. Folklore does not lie. It is not pliant like a scientific theory. End the parentheses. Therefore, quote, the October coup was an unprecedented breakthrough of the Asian essence of Russians. Okay. quote. Yeah.
Starting point is 04:33:00 I now have three articles out. I mean, in Russia, it's generally understood that the so-called Tartars were really talking about the alleged Mongol invasion, that these were not Asiatics. There isn't a shred of evidence, whether it be in Mongolia or in South Russia, that a group of Asiatics who just a few years before were a handful of herders were able to, you know, control or create and control an empire of this size. There's no evidence in Mongolia. There's, I quote, several Arab travelers at the time who all refer to Genghis Khan as someone
Starting point is 04:33:50 with either red hair or blue-to-gray eyes. I've read so many contemporary writings on that invasion, and none of them refer to translators. None of them refer to their strange appearance, contemporary paintings of battles between Mongols and Russians show them as absolutely identical. You can't tell the difference. And yet, these same people will talk about, you know, fighting the Turks, and you could definitely tell. who the Turks are and who the Russians are. I don't believe at all, but this was a, that these Asiatic herders overnight,
Starting point is 04:34:37 pretty much that's the argument, put together 200,000 men with an iron bureaucracy that was able to do what they said they did. The so-called capital of the so-called Mongol yoke in Russia is Sadi. They have done. done so many excavations and they can't find anything. There are almost no loan words in Russian coming from this Mongol language.
Starting point is 04:35:09 There's very, you know, and I can go on and on and on and on. And I don't think, I think there are some, you know, liberals love this. Liberals love to say that, oh, yes, you know, Russians are just, are just Asiatics. And Peter the Great loved it. He promoted this theory all over the place. deriving mostly from Poles and Germans around his time. This was the essence of the Crimean war propaganda. Mongol is really megalo.
Starting point is 04:35:41 It refers to the Greek word for great. All of Russia used to be called great tartary hundreds of years ago. Of course, at least according to Western European maps, Tartars and Russians were considered the same group of people. the so-called pagan, you know, we would call Cossacks today, certainly with some Central Asian forces. That's what the battle was.
Starting point is 04:36:08 I loved how they, you know, they're supposed to be, you know, these Mongols, totally pagan, and yet they built churches faster than you could imagine, the most nationalist part of the Russian idea. And they had churches within their own compounds. Well, how could that be? I could go on. It's, the more I read, the more I realize just how, how wrong I used to be to think that this Mongol invasion was actually from Mongolia. They were not overwhelmingly.
Starting point is 04:36:48 They were not Asianics, although I'm sure there were some from Central Asia there. These are the forebears of the Cossacks. they spoke Russian they were you know orthrocks or you know whatever they you know claim to be
Starting point is 04:37:05 they were Russians they were never I'm still I've searched for any reference to a translator no they all spoke the same language no one even foreign visitors said said nothing but there
Starting point is 04:37:18 wouldn't they say something about their appearance so but this is something that liberals love to say that Russians are just somehow genetically inferior because they come from this Asiatic Mongol way of thinking, which, you know, it's kind of an insult to Mongols, real Mongols in Mongolia, but they make actual racialist arguments and it's fully accepted.
Starting point is 04:37:48 So I find, you know, so the argument is dumb to begin with, but it really got its feet under Peter the Great. it justified all of his reforms. And here it's being used to justify the revolution. Somehow, Asiatics are stagnant and have no conception of progress. That's acceptable in academic circles. It was then, and to some extent it is now.
Starting point is 04:38:19 For those who want to tear and trample Russian history, Chiodiev is the favorite theoretician, although he is undoubtedly an outstanding thinker. First, Samistat and later Emigray publications carefully selected and passionately quoted his published and unpublished texts which suited their purposes. As to the unsuitable quotations and to the fact that the main opponents of Cháadiev among his contemporaries were not Nicholas I and Beckenorf, but his friends, Pushkin, Vyazemski, Karamzin, and Yazikov, these.
Starting point is 04:38:56 facts were ignored. In the early 1970s, the hate against all things Russian was gathering steam. Derogatory expressions about Russian culture entered Samistat in contemporary slang. Human pigsty. So much contempt for Russia as being spoiled material was expressed in the anonymous Samistat article signed by S. Teligin, G. Kopelov. Regarding the forest fires of 1972, the same Telligan cursed Russia in a Samistat leaflet. Quote, so the Russian forest burn, it serves Russia right for all her evil doing. The entire people consolidate into the reactionary mass, G. Pomerance. Take another sincere confession, quote, the sound that an accordion drives me berserk,
Starting point is 04:39:44 the very contact with these masses irritates me, end quote. Indeed, love cannot be forced. Quote, Jews, Jewish destiny is just a real. rehash of the destiny of intelligency in this country, the destiny of her culture, the Jewish orphanage symbolizes loneliness because of the collapse of the traditional faith in the people. End quote. What a transformation happened between the 19th and 20th century with the eternal Russian problem of the people.
Starting point is 04:40:14 By now they view the people as an indigenous mass, apathetically satisfied with its existence and its leaders, and by the inscrutable providence of fate, the Jews were forced to live and suffer in the cities of their country. To love these masses is impossible, to care about them unnatural. The same Kazanov, by then still in the USSR, reasoned. The Russia, which I love, is a platonic idea that does not exist in reality. The Russia, which I see around is abhorrent. She is a unique kind of Augian stables, Hermangean habits.
Starting point is 04:40:51 her Mangian inhabitants. There'll be a day of shattering reckoning for all she is today. You know, some of these have more than one meaning. I don't know if they're referring to Russians racially. Or if they truly believe in this myth of Soviet Russia. It's kind of like Judeo Christian. Russia as a nation was oppressed under the USSR. are. Now, we read a quote a little while ago saying that Russians are natural anarchists
Starting point is 04:41:27 and will destroy everything and thank God for the Jews. Here, they're saying the exact opposite. Now, I've heard, you know, they're stagnant. They don't care about it. I've heard that those arguments made by the same person in the past. that the the Russia which I love is a botanic idea well I don't know if he's referring to old Russia there that's very possible
Starting point is 04:41:55 there's also nothing wrong with saying things like you know Russians have been denigrated for so long that now you know they're a mess and they need they need uplifting you know that could possibly be this is why I supported the Taliban for, you know, intellectually because you have a nation at war for 40 years. All their more, you know, everything has been upended. The only way to bring them back to sanity is a strict Islamic, highly centralized group until it becomes, you know, they get back to their normal ways again.
Starting point is 04:42:38 so I've not read Copelov I don't fully you know but the concept of Jews were forced to live and suffer in the cities of their
Starting point is 04:43:02 of their countries and I think what to love these masses and pop I don't know if the Jew were not saying that or if it's a Jew or if it's this so-called
Starting point is 04:43:16 Kazonal. But I think that's your very typical Jewish opinion of Russians in general. And starting from the Crimean War, right up until, and we know within the Ukrainian war today, about which I have an excellent book, I may remind you,
Starting point is 04:43:34 that propaganda continues. You know, Russians aren't really European. They're not either they're destructive or they're lazy and stagnant and they can't quite figure out
Starting point is 04:43:51 what it is. It's just like they can't figure out if Putin's a fascist or a communist. And since they don't know, usually writers don't know what those words mean, they usually use them together. So it's really hard, you know, to argue with something so idiotic.
Starting point is 04:44:08 And the only way that they could be excused is if they're referring to what being forced to live in the USSR is done to them. That may be, maybe, but not in this harsh language. That's not their fault. But these people will say anything. Jew, Gentile doesn't matter. They'll say anything.
Starting point is 04:44:29 Come up with any theory, rather than accept the idea that Marxism, and not just in Russia, but all over Europe was Jewish to a great extent. And they can't say that. So suddenly it's just, you know, Russian insanity, Russian ignorance, whatever it might be. And that's perfectly acceptable. And it's acceptable because it leaves the Jews out of it.
Starting point is 04:44:55 Well, that comment about the cities was written by a B. Kuzanov and was published. It looks like in a periodical in Tel Aviv in 1976. So you know, it's a name like Kanzanov, you know, I don't know if I could see Kazar in there. I'm not sure. You never, you can't, can't quite tell. His real name was Ganadi Moisevich Fabi locivibius. Fabi, Fabiousovich. So, yeah.
Starting point is 04:45:36 Oh, boy. I'm also thinking of Koppelov above too. but this shouldn't surprise anyone this was perfectly normal and you know whatever they need to do either to justify their slaughter
Starting point is 04:45:55 or to say that they weren't involved at all you know it's a typical a typical narcissist well I didn't do it but if I did it was no big deal you know and I think um and you know these these terrible um psychological outbursts are still going on and with the Ukraine war when the Ukrainian war started it it really came out so you can actually
Starting point is 04:46:26 refer in public to Russians as as Asiatic and hence ignorant this was this was a core ideology of these Jews who took over in Kiev uh pretending to be Ukrainian You know, despite the fact that genetically, they're almost identical, if not identical. Again, the so-called Asiatics left no DNA behind. Nothing. There's so many things wrong with the traditional view of Mongol invasion that I hadn't thought of until I started reading. There's a whole bunch of writers in Russia.
Starting point is 04:47:09 It's, I think for the most part, it's taken for granted that, in Russia, that Mongols were not who we, you know, Americans think they are. So, and I didn't, I hadn't thought of this at all. I mean, many years ago, I started reading this stuff. And actually, I got to write about this. So now I have like three papers in the works. I've published one, and people have written me saying, oh, no idea. Although in the Barns Review, we did publish articles saying about Genghis Khan and his men being white and having white features according to contemporaries, red hair, etc. Well, one thing that I've gotten from a lot of these comments is that, yeah, it was really bad, but it would have been much worse if the Jews hadn't taken over.
Starting point is 04:48:08 Indeed, there will be a day. of reckoning, though not for the state of adversity that had fallen on Russia much earlier. In the 1960s, many among intelligentsia began to think and talk about the situation in the USSR, about its future and about Russia itself. Due to strict government censorship, these arguments and ideas were mentioned only in private and in mostly pseudonymous Samistat articles. But when Jewish emigration began, the criticisms of Russia openly and venomously spilled across the free Western world, and it formed one of the favorite topics among the emigrades and was voiced so loudly that often nothing else could be heard.
Starting point is 04:48:49 In 1968, Arcady Belenkov fled abroad. He was supposedly a fierce enemy of the Soviet regime and not at all the Russian people, wasn't he? Well, consider the article, the land of slaves, the land of masters, and the new bell, a collection he edited himself. and at what did he direct his wrath? It is worth considering that the article was written back in the USSR, and the author did not have enough courage to accuse the regime itself. Belenkov does not use the word Soviet even once, instead preferring a familiar theme.
Starting point is 04:49:25 Eternally enslaved Russia. Freedom. Quote, for our homeland is worse than gobbling broken glass. And in Russia, they sometimes hang the wrong people. sometimes the wrong way and never enough end quote even in the 1820s quote it was much it was much evident that in the process of evolution the population of Russia would turn into a herd of traitors informers and torturers it was the Russian fear to prepare warm clothes and to wait for a knock at the door end quote note that even here it was not the Soviet fear
Starting point is 04:50:05 yet he before the Bolshevik Revolution had ever waited for a knock on the door in the middle of the night, yet who had before the Soviet Bolshevik Revolution had ever waited for a knock on the door in the middle of the night? Quote, the court in Russia does not judge. It already knows everything. Therefore in Russia, it only condemns. End quote. Was it like that even during the Alexandrian reforms? And what about juries and magistrates? hardly a responsible balanced judgment. Well, that's an understatement. My lord. Yeah, of course there was no, the state prior to the Bolsheviks was small.
Starting point is 04:50:52 And I've been through this in great detail. The bureaucracy in Paris was larger than the entire Soviet Union. Sorry, all of all Russia, right up until the war. we spoke of how difficult it was to enforce laws there. You know, the fact that they didn't have a prison system until it was absolutely forced on them to some extent, that everything was done at the local level through the commune, the Artel. He referring to the Alexandrian reforms, meaning the Dempsova, which is, you know, an ancient concept, but it has been revived. all, you know, local stuff was fully democratic.
Starting point is 04:51:43 And certainly the czar was always, he was sometimes elected, like Mikhail was elected, but was always representative. Representation means a lot more than the act of campaigns, elections, are voting. But it seems this has been going on for a very long time. And it started with Peter, I think. No, I'm wrong. It started with the enemies of Ivan the Terrible.
Starting point is 04:52:14 Those myths and stories about how awful he was. I think it was the very first Russian article I ever wrote. If I'm not mistaken, was about how Ivan the Terrible was not like that. He was a very decent man. A difficult job. but a decent man, a holy man, in fact. And Russia's enemies, which of course were always many, given her size, and she was always a threat to people,
Starting point is 04:52:41 that the writings from her enemies, Polish, sometimes German, sometimes Scandinavian, you know, created these stories that Peter the Great, It's accepted, destroyed a lot of the old histories, so we really couldn't check. And used it to justify. See, they need me. I'm the revolutionary. I'm going to change things.
Starting point is 04:53:14 But more to our own day, Ukrainians love to use the term Soviet Russia. And it just doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense historically, ideologically, or practically. We've spoken about this many times. Russia was imprisoned within this USSR. She was exploited beyond belief. And now you start hearing people saying, well, I guess they didn't kill enough,
Starting point is 04:53:46 like this Belinkov. And deliberately not using the word Soviet once, because Soviet is not ethnic. The land of slaves, the land of masters. Well, you know, we just read a few paragraphs, ago that they were mob rule they would destroy everything it's one of the other and again this is very common um our Soviets are Russians about mob rule and anarchy or they are they lazy and easy to enslave um so this is you know Russian DNA is no different than than Central
Starting point is 04:54:29 Europe I have all the materials on that. Even the Russian studies on this question going way back. Of course, they didn't know anything about DNA prior to the 1940s when all this stuff started. But this is, you know, this kind of talk.
Starting point is 04:54:49 This is pure racialism. It is acceptable. I mean, maybe in academia, if you go too far with it, you know, eyebrows will be raised. But, you know, newspaper editorials, the Asiatic concept was used as an insult. And there is no connection between Russia and Asia genetically or any other way. Her language is an Aryan language, into European language. And Russia shares DNA with most of Central Europe, with all of Central Europe, actually, with, you know, the possible exception of the Hungarians. So they simply don't know what they're talking about, and they're simply playing on people's ignorance. This is an extreme version of Johnson's law.
Starting point is 04:55:39 Indeed, so overwhelming as the author's hate and so bitter his bile that he vilifies such great Russian writers as Karamzin, Zhikovsky, Tushchev, and even Pushkin. Not to mention Russian society in general for its insufficient revolutionary spirit. quote, a pathetic society of slaves, descendants of slaves, and ancestors of slaves, the cattle trembling for fear and anger, rectum pipers shuddering at the thought of possible consequences, the Russian intelligentsia always been willing to help stifle freedom, end quote. When you read Karl Marx, as well as Frederick Engels, you hear the same kind of thing. usually not so much in his formal their formal writings but in letters
Starting point is 04:56:27 which I've come across many times that when Karl Marx says that the revolution can't proceed so long as the Tsar is in power and he was right about that that was after 1848 often he would go into a
Starting point is 04:56:45 tirade and he did this during the Crimean War where he condemned all the anti-war movement going on in Britain because the war was not going well from their point of view. Of course, he was working for establishment newspapers. Most of these guys did. You know, it's, so this, this, this is essential to demarcism.
Starting point is 04:57:14 This is a, you know, if, you know, this was a big part of Karl Marx's problem in the 1840s, especially in 1840s. And he went on, you know, he was capable of a good rant. And he did it many times. He did it against Bakun, that type, when he kicked him out of the first international, for saying that he was a pawn of the Jews. But he saved his best for the Russian nation, which he absolutely despised. And that seeped into the DNA. the bone marrow of Marxism.
Starting point is 04:57:57 And when the Jews were able to take over, they carried it out. Well, if, for Belenkov, it was all masked anti-Soviet sentiments, a sly wink, then why did he not write it abroad? If Belenkov actually thought differently, then why print it in this form? No, that is the way he thought and what he hated. So was this how dissident Jews repudiated Bolshevism? This is part of the neo-conservative idea. These former Marxists, more or less followers of Trotsky at NYU, who, because they were Jews,
Starting point is 04:58:49 you were convinced that Stalin was a anti-Semite. You know, he had to go. And over the years, their hatred got so vicious that they began to support the U.S. Anything to destroy the Soviet Union, the Stalinist Soviet Union, even after Stalin was dead. It was the same. This is where the neocons come from.
Starting point is 04:59:17 And however, even now, Marxism in Russia is not in power, neocons still despise it. So all this anti-Soviet stuff, this was anti-Russian. And their biggest enemy is Russian nationalism. And the capitalist classes were all the same. But this is the origin, this kind of thing, repudiating Bolivism, well, sort of. But this is the origin of the neocons.
Starting point is 04:59:51 I think we're going to end it right there. We're jumping into a new thought here. So we might get caught up in that. You were right. You were right. I mean, there's just so much more I can say the stupidity here. It's really hard to answer it because there's no substance to answer. You know, it's just like there's school yard insults for the most part.
Starting point is 05:00:17 It's what you see on Twitter nowadays when you say, hey, you know, maybe we should. shouldn't go to war with Iran because, you know, it's just for Israel. And then they, you're an anti-Semite, you hate Jews, you want to see all Jews dead. Anti-Semitism is in the European DNA, yada, yada, yada, yada. There is no argument. It's only insults. Precisely. And there really is no, and to some extent, there really is no point in arguing with them.
Starting point is 05:00:48 You know, how do you argue against a schoolyard insult, you know? they might as well they'll call you fat the way that they the way that they speak so you know
Starting point is 05:01:00 you just keep we keep doing what we're doing and there's nothing more and I've seen that they used to be the case in Facebook too and I used to have an account there that was on way too much
Starting point is 05:01:09 yeah you know so that's there really is no point in going after someone like that intellectually because there really is no
Starting point is 05:01:19 intellectual substance to begin with. All righty. I'm going to remind everybody go over to the show, go over to the description, the video on Rumble, where you're probably watching right now, or Odyssey, where you're watching right now.
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Starting point is 05:01:50 You've gone through a hospital stay. I've gone through an operation. I mean, it's like we've gone through like all these things while we've been doing this. Yeah. That's right, right. Several hospital stays, in fact. Yeah, this is, you know, it was weird. Even in the hospital, I'm saying, wait a minute, I got to be gone and a half hour.
Starting point is 05:02:11 You know, that may have been the morphine, but still, it's, it's, yeah, it's absolutely true. I mean, Sven Longshanks was finally released. A huge deal. Oh, well, this is going on. I mean, I, you know, this is, this is a, this is a fabric of our, talk about DNA. This is a fabric of our history now. One attack on Iran, one short attack on Iran, one long, what could turn into a very long process with Iran and, you know, and out-out war. I mean, you know, it's interesting that we started talking about this subject.
Starting point is 05:02:52 And sure, there was a lot of talk before because of October 7th when we started this. But how much it's just intensified while we've been doing this is pretty remarkable. You know, absolutely. And everything that's happening between Iran and the regime really comes down to, I mean, of course, they've been enemies for a long time and they fought. But it all started, in this case, with Hamas invasion of Israel. That set the dominoes off that this became the war that it is. Israel was planning on doing a lot of this stuff anyway, but that war gave them an excuse.
Starting point is 05:03:35 It gave them sympathy, at least in certain circles in the U.S. government. And it has destroyed Trump's presidency. Oh, let me make you, let me make one request. I think I've said this before. I don't know. But if you have my book, you've read it, please review it on Amazon. There's a thing where 20 reviews pushes it up in the algorithm, whatever that means. I have something to do with searches.
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Starting point is 05:04:25 bye bye bye want to welcome everyone back to our reading of 200 years together by Alexander Solzhenison this is episode number 118 Dr. Johnson how are you today?
Starting point is 05:04:41 I finally got Valiger out of my head it took Boston's feeling satisfied which holds the record for being in my head the longest was in my head for two and a half months back in 2012 it's not in my head now
Starting point is 05:05:00 because I'm listening to Ben Orr from the cars very underrated songwriter and musician but but it's risky try to get rid of one thing with feeling satisfied by Boston.
Starting point is 05:05:16 That's a risky move, but I did it and I'm better now. I have three days in a row of killing jokes, the weight in my head, and it's just going over and over and over again. It's fine. It could be a much worse song. Yeah, that's right. It could be much worse. That's the thing.
Starting point is 05:05:41 Same thing for feeling satisfied. But two and a half months, I don't you know Boston was great at first record but come on that's way too long all right picking up where we left off last time on this unbelievable chapter and some of these quotes are just infuriating onward around the same time at the 1960s a Jewish collection about the USSR was published in London it included a letter from the USSR. Quote, in the depths of the inner labyrinths of the Russian soul, there is always a pogromist, a slave and a thug dwell there too, end quote. Belit Zerkovsky happily repeats someone else's joke, quote, the Russians were a strong nation, except for their heads. Let all these Russians,
Starting point is 05:06:36 Ukrainians, growled drunkenly with their wives, gobble vodka, and get happily misled by communist lies without us. They were crawling on all fours, worshipping wooden stone when we gave them the god of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, end quote. This might be, speaking of records, this might have the record for the most falsehoods smushed into just a few words. We could do the whole show on it, actually. Yeah, I think, first of all.
Starting point is 05:07:11 all that the concept is a pogromist, not just within the Russians, but pretty much all Gentiles. I think that's part of the Jewish identity. I did a paper. I think I don't know if I did a show on it up, but I did a paper on the fact that Slav and Slave are not related, just because they sound alike in English, that they're not related whatsoever. And that's an old myth going way back. The level of mental gymnastics you have to go through to believe this stuff, I mean, even when the Communist Party itself talked about how many, you know, Russians were murdered, and then Crucith kept doing it, you know, shutting down churches like, you know,
Starting point is 05:08:03 there weren't many left in Crucese's time. and the Jews had a role in it, it's almost impossible for them not to be aware of it. And to think that this guy believe this, this Khazar, Turk, believes that he has some connection with the Israelites
Starting point is 05:08:22 of the Old Testament. If he ever went to, you know, if he ever even looked at the Talmud, he knows that that can't be, that can't be the case. But this is just, this mythology is a part of their is it said now went to their blood
Starting point is 05:08:39 and of course the pogroms we've dealt with that as well certainly more Russians were killed than anyone else Jews were often the instigators so and it was usually against Jewish revolutionaries maybe we can go on and on and on
Starting point is 05:08:57 but they'll believe anything negative about and I've said this I think in the very beginning of this series I said everyone, you know, non-Jewish is a goy to the Jews. The Russians are like the super-goy. And the Tsar, of course, is beyond it. The Tsar was to them evil incarnate.
Starting point is 05:09:25 And which is why they don't really murdered him, but they, you know, sexually assaulted his family, did everything else in that house and then scrolled on the walls, all these symbols, which I've dealt with. I have a whole book on it, et cetera. almost every single person there that was doing the shooting was a Jew. So, yeah, and that's just a few errors. You know, Gobel Vodka can get happily misled by communist lies.
Starting point is 05:09:55 Well, you know, when you slaughter and exile that many people, I guess, who do you have left? People who are willing, I guess, to be misled? I don't know. But they can't deal with that. So they absolutely have to fall back on Stalin was an anti-Semite or else this whole thing falls apart. Quote, oh, if only you would have held your peace. This would have been regarded as your wisdom. End quote.
Starting point is 05:10:26 Job 13.5. Let us note that any insulting judgment about the Russian soul in general or about the Russian character generally does not give rise to the slightest protest or doubt among civilized people. The question, quote, of daring to judge nations as well, one uniform and faceless whole, end quote, does not arise. If someone does not like all these Russians or feels contempt for them or even expresses in progressive circles the belief that Russia is a cesspool, this is no sin in Russia, and it does
Starting point is 05:11:01 not appear reactionary or backward. And no one immediately appeals to the president's, prime minister, senators, or members of Congress with a reverent cry, quote, what do you think of such incitement of ethnic hatred, end quote. We've said worse of ourselves since the 19th century and right up to the revolution. We have a rich tradition of this. Yeah. Nothing has changed. I don't think it would do any good to point this out. I think they're well aware of it. Sometimes the Chinese get thrown into that category too, but I face this myself, not being a Russian by ethnicity,
Starting point is 05:11:43 but when Russia became the fourth largest economy in the world, that was last year, by purchasing power parity, the articles that came out trying to refute that
Starting point is 05:12:02 were very poorly, very hurriedly and very poorly written. It ultimately came down to the fact that this couldn't possibly be. All they do is pump oil. Of course, there's a paper on that where oil accounts for domestically GDP, maybe 11% of GDP, a larger percentage of exports, of course. Norway is more reliant on oil than Russia is. But again, that's, truth isn't the issue here. Abstraction isn't the issue here. and what's going on in Kiev right now.
Starting point is 05:12:47 I know it's always a risk to write a book with something that's kind of still going on, but I don't think anything's going to happen that's going to change the basic approach that I took. Now it's just terrorism. They're killing Russian citizens wherever they can. And the fact that Kiev is essentially a colony of the U.S.
Starting point is 05:13:09 It has American backing. this is the one group of people that you can commit terrorist acts against. I mean, the Chechens did it. The Chechens used this small minority that were fighting Russia. They used poison gas. It took Putin to finally defeat them.
Starting point is 05:13:32 And I just remember in the 90s, you know, when I was in grad school, people were relishing the idea that Russia was fault. apart physically falling apart you know goodbye goodbye Russia was was something that people loved to say it's it's just again as I said last time it goes back from centuries of propaganda mostly from Britain about about what a Russian is they always have stood in the way of British ideology and God knows that's how happening now.
Starting point is 05:14:13 But now what's added to that is the fact that Putin is still extremely popular. Western politicians would kill to have the ratings that Putin has always had. It's very rare he goes under 70%. And that's where so much of this projection comes from. There is a certain amount of anger and resentment here. He has more freedom than they do because he is not subject to capital to the Jews. You know, yes, he meets with him all the time.
Starting point is 05:14:51 But it's a big, it's very different in Russia. Because there's just a handful of Jews left in Russia compared to the U.S. You know, they approach him, you know, as a suppligant. Of course, in the U.S., they approach politicians like they own the place. So it's a very, very different story. They're simply, Putin and his circle are much more free than your typical Western politician. And that's something that creates a tremendous amount of anger. Then we learn of semi-literate preachers of the religion and that Russian orthodoxy hasn't
Starting point is 05:15:30 earned the credence of intellectuals from Telegan. The Russians, quote, so easily abandoned the faith of their forefathers, indifferently watched how their temples were destroyed in front of their eyes. End quote. Oh, here is a guess. Quote, perhaps the Russian people only temporarily submitted to the power of Christianity, end quote. That is for 950 years. Quote, and they only waited for the moment to get rid of it.
Starting point is 05:16:01 That is, for the revolution? How much ill will must accumulate in someone's heart to utter something like that? even Russian publicists often slipped into this trap of distorted consciousness. The eminent early emigrant journalist S. Rolfsky, perhaps even a priest's son, wrote that, quote, Orthodox Holy Russia allowed its holy sites to be easily crushed, end quote. Of course, the groans of those mowed down by the Czechos machine guns during church riots in 1918 were not heard in Paris. There have been no uprising since. I would like to have seen this pre-sun try to save the sacred sites in the 1920s himself.
Starting point is 05:16:42 So many of the uprisings or the peasantry against Soviet power, really essentially from 1918 to the German invasion, we're over in the destruction of a church or their invasion of a church for whatever items they may have had. Of course, the same thing is going on today. So, and I've heard this. I've heard Roman Catholics say, I don't understand how this happened so easily. There were so many of them.
Starting point is 05:17:14 I said, well, it wasn't easy. They were fighting a low-level civil war consistently. You know, there's been no uprising since. That's simply not true. Assuming I'm assuming, I think I know what he means by that. It was pretty consistent, especially in the 20s. And they were barely holding on. It took a long time for the USSR to grab hold of power.
Starting point is 05:17:44 And that was, you know, it was a consistent insecurity straight up until, and part of partly where Stalin came from, the massive attacks on people. Stalin was no, he was not Orthodox, he was not a nationalist. He was not anti-Semitic. all that stuff that has to finally die. They're Russian nationalists who I respect, who believe that about him. And it gets me, it's extremely upsetting. But, you know, he says, you know, I like to see him try to save the sacred sites himself. You don't realize going up against the Soviet system, let's say, in the late 20s, you knew that
Starting point is 05:18:35 what was going to happen to you. You knew that by refusing the orders of going to the underground church at any moment, you could be raided and you're going off to the gulag. There's going to be no human rights organizations worried about you. There's going to be no pacifists out there marching to have you freed. That was never the case. Only with national struts that ever happened, but back then, there was no such entity. they would bring especially the
Starting point is 05:19:08 Archbishop of Canterbury who as you know right now is a woman and show him a few churches and he went back, idiot that he was, and say, yeah, there's no, there's no there's no religious persecution. I saw these most beautiful churches when I was there. I talked about a Potemkin village.
Starting point is 05:19:32 You know, so in the church, I think this one that Stalin created in 1944, only a existed for that reason, and to be on the Council of the World Council of Churches and to support Soviet power there was tiny, at least in the beginning. Most Orthodox people were either in exile, dead, or underground. The underground churches all came up from underground in the 90s. And all they did was fight each other, of course. God knows, you know, some of these guys had, you know, PTSD.
Starting point is 05:20:11 But, and I've always said this, you know, I don't know, what would we have done? And people like to condemn Metropolitan Sergius who signed the acceptance of Soviet power. It was more complicated than that. And, you know, it's hard for me to judge him. What would we do? I think I think most of us would be waving the red flag if it meant we didn't have to go to the gulag
Starting point is 05:20:40 You know they said they We're going to start slaughtering more priests Unless you sign this thing He signed it, they did it anyway Um So It's tough to judge them And so
Starting point is 05:20:54 Of course, objectively they were wrong But I don't know what we would have done If our family was in trouble And we know what a gulag is You knew where we were we're going. And so that hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Russians took that path, says a lot about the Russian character and the nature of that society, even with all the warfare and everything else, that these Jews simply have no, they have no understanding of.
Starting point is 05:21:25 Sometimes it is stated bluntly, quote, Russian Orthodoxy is a hot and taught religion, end quote, Grobman or, quote, idiocy perfumed by Rublev, Dionysius, and Berdyev, quote, end quote, the idea of the restoration of traditional Russian historical orthodoxy, quote, scares many. This is the darkest future possible for the country and for Christianity, end quote. Or as novelist F. Gorenstein said, quote, Jesus Christ was the honorary chairman of the Union of the Russian people, pre-revolutionary Russian nationalist organization, whom they perceived as a kind of universal Adamen, Cossack chieftain, end quote. Well, they're not, they weren't just saying things. Of course, Rubelov is a famous icon painter, as was Dionysius. And course, Bordaiev was the heretical, more or less, you know, he was a philosopher
Starting point is 05:22:21 who went into exile, who I've read substantially. his orthodox credentials are iffy, but, you know, and there has been to a great extent in certain, many parts of the country, the restoration of all these monastics, all these monastic institutions, and support for monarchy continues to grow. These demonstrations of pictures of Zara Nicholas II are huge. This goes back a few years before the war. but it also explains the war. It also explains, at least in part,
Starting point is 05:22:59 why the U.S. just won't stop. They'll start killing, it doesn't really matter at this point. They know that Ukraine has lost. It's over. So terrorist attacks using drones against Russian civilians, okay, you know, that's certainly acceptable. It's not just name-calling. Name-calling has led to terrorist acts,
Starting point is 05:23:20 which are now a normal part of America. foreign policy. The Union of the Russian people was dedicated, of course, to Christ. It was an Orthodox institution. And thank God I've never read Gorenstein, and I probably never will. But you kind of understand why things are happening the way they are today when you read lines like that. Don't make it too sharp.
Starting point is 05:23:56 You might chip the blade. However, one must distinguish from such open rudeness that Velvet Soft Sammestat philosopher essayist Gregori Pomerantz, who worked in those years. Presumably, he rose above all controversies. He wrote about the fate of nations in general, about the fate of the intelligentsia generally. He suggested that nowadays no such thing as people exist, save perhaps Bushmen. I read him in 1960s Samistat saying, quote, the people are becoming more and more vapid broth, and only we, the intelligentsia, remain the salt to the earth.
Starting point is 05:24:35 Solidarity of the intelligentsia across the borders is a more real thing than the solidarity of the intelligentsia and its people. Calling him a philosopher is really pushing it. But, you know, clearly he's being sarcastic here. and as I've said, I think I said this last time, if not the time before, by intelligentsia, I think they're just referring to liberal intellectuals, not intellectuals in general. I think that's pretty standard when they use the term at least liberal. And because the Communist Party, the Soviet Union now, is more conservative than the Republican Party in the U.S.,
Starting point is 05:25:19 especially when it comes to social policy. They're not talking about, you know, Leninism necessarily. They're referring to this, you know, again, this rapid liberalism that came very close to destroying both Russia and Ukraine in the 1990s. These are people who survived, you know,
Starting point is 05:25:42 Napoleon, World War I, World War II, massive civil war. They survived all of this. It was liberalism that almost brought them down entirely. And that's because liberalism is a solvent. It rots the foundations of any society. And then the state has to come in and try to clean it up. And Putin just, you know, it's one of the reasons I was such an admirer of him.
Starting point is 05:26:11 I remained so. He came in at the ninth hour when the country really was disappearing and turned it back into a major power in just a few years. And as I said, last year, the fourth largest country in the world, she surpassed Germany and Japan. Again, using purchasing power parity, which is the most accurate measure of economies, because it takes into account costs and standards of living among countries. And that was from the World Bank. and when, you know, when World Bank says it, you know, about Russia, it's probably true.
Starting point is 05:26:54 It sounded very modern and wise, and yet in Czechoslovakia in 1968, it was precisely the unity of the intelligentsia with the vapid broth of its non-existent people that created a spiritual stronghold long unheard of in Europe. The presence of two-thirds of a million Soviet troops couldn't break their spirit. It was their communist leaders who eventually gave in. and 12 years later, the same thing happened in Poland. In his typically ambiguous manner of constructing endless parallel arguments that never merged into a clear logical construct, Pomerant's never explicitly addressed the national question. He extensively dwelt on the diaspora question, in the most abstract and general manner,
Starting point is 05:27:40 not specifying any nation hovering aloft in relativism and agnosticism. He glorified the diaspora. quote, everywhere, we are not exactly strangers, everywhere, we are not exactly natives, end quote. New quote, an appeal to one faith, tradition, a nation flies in the face of another. He complained, quote, according to the rules established for the Warsaw students, one can love only one nation, but what if I am related by blood to this country, but love others as well? end quote. I'm assuming that Pomerant was included in this same Jewish collection that he mentions at the beginning. So when he says, the diaspora, I don't know if he's referring to Russians or Jews.
Starting point is 05:28:32 But at the end here, he seems to suggest he's talking about both. so that's that's way too abstract in the sense i don't even know what he's talking about um i think i can't i don't know if it's from the same uh source or not it's sounds like this is from the man from nowhere unpublished frankfort 1972 yeah i think this is a completely different uh Okay. Yeah. Yeah, Pomerant is one of these names that I don't know. You know, I don't think about him very much.
Starting point is 05:29:19 So when he talks about a diaspora with a capital D, I don't know where he's, I think he's talking about Jews. But you could be talking about both, for all I know. This is a sophisticated bait and switch. Of course, you can love not only one, but 10 or more countries and neighbors. However, you can belong to and be a son of only one motherland, just as you can only have one mother. To make the subject clearer, I want to describe the letter exchange I had with Pomerant's couple in 1967. By that year, my band novel, The First Circle, circulated among the Samistat, and among the first who had me had sent me their objections were G.S. Pomerant's and his wife, Z.A. Merkin. they said that I hurt them by my inept and faulty handling of the Jewish question,
Starting point is 05:30:16 and that I had irreparably damaged the image of Jews in the novel, and thus my own image. How did I damage it? I thought I had managed to avoid showing those cruel Jews who reached heights of power during the early Soviet years, but Pomerance's letter is abounded with undertones and nuances, and they accused me of insensitivity to Jewish pain. Well, that answer is that question.
Starting point is 05:30:43 I've read this. You know, I have in my book on Russian literature, I deal with, I don't know, it was so long ago, I don't even remember now. I think I deal with mostly cancer ward. But it was a Gulag Archipelago that mentioned, you know, so many Jewish names. So he was always, and plus the fact that he, He kind of, he was an old believer, ideologically, or so it seemed. And was certainly a royalist of a sort and definitely a nationalist.
Starting point is 05:31:22 You know, in how he, even, you know, especially in exile, the Jews are never going to trust him, are never going to like him. This is very early. This is before anything. the first circle is definitely worth your time, worth anybody's time, also about, obviously, the same thing, your repression in USSR. But it's really hard. If Jews were everywhere in that apparatus, it would be dishonest for him to change their names to something that's obviously not Jewish.
Starting point is 05:31:59 That would be completely dishonest. and as we've spoken of before, it doesn't take much. You know, one bad Jewish character, that's it. And Pomerantz was not alone in condemning this. I replied to them, and they replied to me. In these letters, we also discussed the right to judge entire nations, even though I had done no such thing in my novel. Pomerant suggested to me then, and to every writer in general,
Starting point is 05:32:30 as well as to anyone who offers any personal, psychological, or social judgment, to behave and to reason as if no nation has ever existed in the world, not only to abstain from judging them as a whole, but to ignore every man's nationality. Quote, what is natural and excusable for Ivan Denisovich to see Caesar Markovic as a non-Russian is a disgrace for an intellectual and for a Christian, not a baptized person, but a Christian is a great sin.
Starting point is 05:33:03 There is no Helen or no Jew for me, quote, unquote. Yeah, that line has been abused like so many others in Paul's letters. That is not a denial of nationality whatsoever. Nations are natural. they're essentially extended families. I mean, come on. The Great Commission is to go forth to all nations. Yeah, it's said over and over again.
Starting point is 05:33:41 Absolutely. At Pentecost, what happened? It wasn't like when the Holy Spirit descended, everyone heard one language and understood it. No, they understood it in their own language. That's a huge difference. One that I make a big deal about in previous writings and things like that. Ignoring nationality is stupid.
Starting point is 05:34:12 But we all know what he really means. He doesn't care about, you know, Bulgarians in this case. But especially in the extreme conditions of a camp. We're talking about Ivan Denisovic here. that does matter. It matters a lot. In American prisons, we're well aware of the racial divide, especially at, you know, not in the county jails,
Starting point is 05:34:39 but actual, you know, state prisons, the racial, you know, racial organization. It's almost like at that, you know, when you have nothing left, that's what matters. I always wondered about that. When I was at the Barnes Review, we had a lot of, subscribers from from prison
Starting point is 05:35:01 and eventually we were banned entirely but we had a lot of people from prison loved us I'd say one out of every ten letters came from an actual you know prisoner out of state facility so this is just
Starting point is 05:35:23 nonsense no Helene or Jew you know as always, it's the absolute abuse of the gospel, not the gospel, the letters of Paul's words, New Testament works, and it happens all the time. What an elevated point of view. May God help us all reach it one day. After all, without it, would not the meaning of united humanity and so Christianity have been useless?
Starting point is 05:35:52 Yet we have already been aggressively convinced once that there are no nations and were instructed to quickly destroy our own, and we madly did it back then. In addition, regardless of the argument, how can we portray specific people without referring to their nationality? And if there are no nations, are there no languages? But no writer can write in any language other than his native one. If nations would wither away, languages would die also. One cannot eat from an empty, let me think, one cannot eat from an empty bowl. Right. I've made the argument for a long time
Starting point is 05:36:31 that without nations you can't have imperialism the whole problem with imperialism is that it interferes and actually destroys the sovereignties of the nations under its power but there's in academia there's a whole school
Starting point is 05:36:54 that says there is no such entity as nations These are the same people who believe in the international community. They believe in that. They believe in the abstract individuals, sort of, you know, but they don't believe in something right in front of them. And it usually has a Jewish Eric Hobsbaum. I think I've mentioned him before. He was the founder of that school and certainly doesn't believe the same about his own Jewish nation.
Starting point is 05:37:27 and I think that's been the whole Jewish concept we're nationalist no one else can be that's why there's walls around they condemn walls the wall against Mexico they have huge walls
Starting point is 05:37:45 around Israel at least parts of it and when he refers to language don't forget and any nationalist using the word language that he's not just talking about words and syntax and grammar. He's talking about all means of communication, the overwhelming majority of which is nonverbal.
Starting point is 05:38:10 It's simply how we interact and how we can recognize each other. You know, communication, communion. There's similar terms for a reason. I noticed that it was more often Jews than any others who insisted that we pay no attention to nationality. What does nationality have to do with anything? What national characteristics? What national character are you talking about? And I was ready to shake hands on that. I agree.
Starting point is 05:38:44 Let's ignore it from now on. But we live in an unfortunate century when perhaps the first feature people notice in others, for some reason, is exactly their nationality. And I swear, Jews are the ones who distinguish and closely monitor it most jealously and carefully. Their own nation. Then what should we do with the fact, you have read about it above, that Jews so often judge Russians precisely in generalized terms and almost always to condemn? The same Pomerant's writes about, quote, the pathological features of the Russian character, including their internal instability. and he is not concerned that he judges the entire nation. Imagine if someone spoke of, quote,
Starting point is 05:39:30 pathological features of the Jewish character. What would happen then? The Russian, quote, masses allowed all the horrors of Oprah Nipa to happen just as they later allowed Stalin's death camps. Quote, see, the Soviet internationalist bureaucratic elite would have stopped them, if not for this dull mass. More sharply still, quote, Russian nationalism will inevitably end in an aggressive pogrom, end quote, meaning that every Russian who loves his nation already has the potential for being a pogromist. I think that this lies behind most Jewish writing on these questions.
Starting point is 05:40:14 It certainly is something that laid behind Soviet nationality policy. the Operschina refers to Ivan the 4th or Ivan the Terrible it was his way of crushing the oligarchy that had grown up in Russia
Starting point is 05:40:33 where you know if you don't have centralized rule for any length of time back then or really anytime local centers of power grew run by specific families they had private armies
Starting point is 05:40:48 they had their own foreign policy They were making deals with Catholic Poland, et cetera. And when he came of age, he absolutely had to do something about it. And since there are very few people he can trust, he created this institution, run almost on monastic lines. He was very strict in his orthodoxy to do battle with them. Most of them accepted it once they realized the state was new. they were, you know, knew what they were up to. There was plenty of violence.
Starting point is 05:41:25 There were many of them. I think the largest they ever became was something like 4,000. 4,000 men. There's no horrors about it whatsoever. And I have the feeling that at the peasant level, they were very popular. And no one allowed Stalin's death camps, something by the way that they denied for years. In fact, they fought for it.
Starting point is 05:41:51 in the Second World War, the U.S. fought for it so that you could have, you know, from the Pacific all the way to all the way to Warsaw, you could have as many gulags as you want. That was fully consistent with modern democracy. You know, to get to Stalin's death camps, many of them, by the way, designed by American companies, hundreds of thousands, if not more, Russians had to die. the resistance was simply cut down, including using poison gas, if absolutely necessary. I mean, there's nothing they wouldn't do to win, which is something that, you know, the average Russian was not, you know, he wasn't going to, you know, use poison gas and kill, you know, women and children.
Starting point is 05:42:47 Soviets had no problem with that. But I don't know when he says, you know, Russian nationalism will inevitably lead to end in an aggressive program. That may be a very, it may be an admission of guilt. In other words, if the Russian nation acts as a unity, they'll realize exactly who's been trying to destroy that for so long, and maybe they'll be angry at us. I don't think he meant that consciously, but this is such a common consensus. that goes back to, you know, even the 19th century.
Starting point is 05:43:33 And I think it is not only common, I think it's dominant among, you know, it is the Jewish mind when it comes to these things, especially in the Russian case. And the only reason that, you know, the Ukrainian thing, all of a sudden the regime supports Ukraine, you know, Ukraine was always in the same boat as Russia. They were just useful for a short time. I mean, come on, Ukraine is a land of the Cossacks. It's a land of Kimunitsky in Imga, the hammer of the Jews. So, you know, they'll use a nation and promote it, but only for specific purposes. Then they'll turn on them. So, again, this is just judging entire nations.
Starting point is 05:44:17 You know, again, it's done with certain people. And then say it's a phony argument. And, you know, it simply doesn't work. It doesn't work logically. And again, this is one of these paragraphs that has so many errors, it would take me, you know, the rest of the, the rest of the hour to even begin to preface it. We can but repeat the words of that Chekhov's character. Too early? Most remarkable was how Pomerant's second letter to me ended.
Starting point is 05:44:56 despite his previously having so insistently demanded that it was not proper to distinguish between nations in that large and emotionally charged letter written in a very angry heavy hand, he delivered an ultimatum on how I could still save my disgusting the first circle. The offered remedy was this, to turn Gerasimovich, the hero, into a Jew. So a Jew would commit the novel's greatest act of spiritual heroism. Quote, it is absolutely not important that Gerasimovich had been drawn down from a Russian stereotype, end quote, says our indifferent to nations author. In truth, he did give me an alternative. If I still insisted on leaving Gerasimovich Russian, then I must add an equally powerful image of a noble, self-sacrificing Jew to my story.
Starting point is 05:45:49 And if I would not follow any of his advice, Pomerant's threatened to open a public campaign against me. I ignored it at this point. And in the Soviet Union, that could lead to terrible results. Of course, we know ultimately he wasn't murdered. He was just dumped off like a lot of political prisoners were at the time. They wanted to clean up their image, you know, and they were very image conscious, especially then. but I've read the first circle I've written on the first circle
Starting point is 05:46:29 and the Jewish question is such a small part of it that frankly off the top of my head I can't remember it but that doesn't matter anything that might open a window
Starting point is 05:46:44 that the little tiny chink in the armor that truth may come through and then end up being end up expanding. Well, that's enough. It goes from problematic to disgusting, just one letter to the next. And of course, the bizarre claim is that, well, he should be a Jew. You know, all of a sudden, now nations matter.
Starting point is 05:47:17 We have it in the U.S., not so much on an ethnic level, but on a racial level. people who don't believe in races talk about white, you know, trailer trash all the time, somehow forgetting not just their anti-racism, but their alleged claim to support the working classes and the poor. So now they're, you know, but I think to a great extent they're well aware of what they're doing, pointing it out to them is not going to help. but I guess when Sultan Eastern got the Nobel Prize, that showed him. That showed Palmyranz, maybe he should shut up. Notably, he conducted this one-sided battle calling it Our Polemic, first in foreign journals and, when it became possible, in the Soviet magazines, often repeating and reprinting the
Starting point is 05:48:13 same articles, although taking care each time to exercise the blemishes, his critics had picked up the last time. In the course of this, he uttered another prola wisdom. There was only one absolute evil in the world, and it was Hitlerism. In this regard, our philosopher was not a relativist at all. Not at all. But as to communism, this former prisoner of the camps and by no means a communist himself suddenly proclaims that communism is not an unquestionable evil, and even, quote, some spirit of democracy surrounded the early Cheka, end quote. And he does so harder and harder over the years reacting to my intransigence towards communism. On the other hand, hardcore anti-communists is undoubtedly evil, especially if it builds upon the Russian nationalism,
Starting point is 05:49:00 which, as he reminded us earlier, cannot be separated from pogroms. Any anti-communist movement has to be ethnically based. And certainly in Eastern Europe, that's the case. I think the default settings of your typical Western European and American is that Hitler is in a class by himself there's nothing you could make stuff up about them
Starting point is 05:49:32 you know if it's bad it'll be believed even though objectively in the camps you know I don't how many people actually were killed there that number keeps going it will keeps going down
Starting point is 05:49:48 as the years go on, but between Stalin and Mao, you're talking about 50 million at a minimum. And yet, if I were to go university campus right now and call myself a Maoist, I would be taken there would be no problems. No one would condemn me. And I'd get journal articles published and I'd be able to lecture on this. No problem. So deep down, Hitlerism is an issue only because he dared talk about the Jewish question. And in the Soviet Union, that wasn't the issue. In fact, the Jews were doing the killing.
Starting point is 05:50:40 And that's the fact that I think most Jewish intellectuals then and now just, they simply don't have. have the bandwidth to handle it, emotionally speaking. This is where Pomerant's smooth, high-minded, and non-national principles led. Given such a skewed bias, can mutual understanding between Russians and Jews be achieved? Quote, you marked the speck in your brother's eye, but ignore the plank in your own, end quote. I think maybe this would be a good place to stop because he changed the subjects here. and you know
Starting point is 05:51:24 the only the only real Jewish power in Russia presently is Shabbad Vladimir Putin is well aware of the nature of their power which is why he said that early in his I think it was his first
Starting point is 05:51:39 first term he fully recognized that Bolshevism early Bolshevism was Jewish he said this many time and it's you know most people in the U.S. former U.S.S.R. know that. Russia does not have
Starting point is 05:51:59 the laws that you have in Britain or Western Europe or anything, you know, considered against the agenda leads to prison. They have laws on this, but as I've written and said a million other places, it doesn't apply to any kind of scholarly activity. You know, they talk about the Jews right on the Duma floor. I'm regularly like it's, you know, we couldn't do that.
Starting point is 05:52:32 They told, you know, it's just a normal issue. And I don't get some trouble for that. That's a normal political point of view. And I'm willing to say it's probably the majority of Russians are quite aware of it. But the money and the power of Chabad, no one really, you know, trusts them. Many Jews are, even Jews are iffy about them. That's about all that's left. I think the Jews are 0.01%, something like that in Russia.
Starting point is 05:53:06 So as a group, they're tiny, and it's only money in the connection to Israel that gives them any kind of influence. but Putin's popularity initially derives from throwing these Jewish oligarchs into prison. So again, he's a politician. He has to do what politicians do. You know, someone shows me a picture of him meeting with Shabbat. What's he supposed to do? Punch him in the face? You know, he's president.
Starting point is 05:53:35 He has to. This is, you know, part of the job. So people actually believe a picture really will, is, is the same as an argument. But this section, I think, has been extremely indicative of the Jewish mind. I mean, we've known that. But to see it here or to read it here in such blatant terms. And then looking at American foreign policy in 2026, you know, it's, it's, it's,
Starting point is 05:54:14 It's very depressing, except for the fact that today, in 2026, thanks to Hamas' invasion of Israel and what Israel has done since then, talking about this stuff is getting more and more acceptable, at least in certain circles. It's not just, you know, the leftists who pretend to be pro-Palestinian. It's now mainstream in many places. mainstream conservatives are talking about it. So on that side, it is not depressing. There's always something to hold on to. There's always hope to hold on to.
Starting point is 05:54:56 All right. I'll be back in a couple days. I will encourage everybody to go to the description on the videos on Rumble and on Odyssey and donate to Dr. Johnson's work by his new book. And yeah, we'll come back to pick up this. I don't know how to describe this chapter. Incendiary. Is that a good word?
Starting point is 05:55:19 In a couple days. Thank you, Dr. Johnson. All right, my friend. I'll see you then. I want to welcome everyone back to our reading of 200 years together by Alexander Solzhenycin. This is episode number 119. Dr. Johnson, how are you doing today? I'm doing well.
Starting point is 05:55:37 My feet is our co-host, Stanley, who is right. I may accidentally whack into him, but this is where he goes quite often. He wants to listen. He wants to hear. He is definitely one of us politically, as far as I can tell. That's awesome. All righty, picking up, this is the chapter. I'm sure there's going to be more enragment here.
Starting point is 05:56:09 So we'll pick up where we left off last time. In those same months when I corresponded with Pomerantz, some liberal hand in the Leningrad Regional Party Committee copied a secret memorandum signed by Sherrodbakov, Smyranoff, and Utecken on the matter of alleged, quote, destructive Zionist activity in the city with subtle forms of ideological subversion, end quote. my Jewish friends asked me, how should we deal with this? It is clear how, I replied before even reading the paper. Quote, openness, published it in Samistat, our strength and transparency and publicity, end quote. But my friends hesitated, saying, we cannot do it just like that because it would be misunderstood. After reading the documents, I understood their anxiety. From their reports, it was clear that the youth's literary evenings
Starting point is 05:57:06 evening at the Writers' House on January 30th, 1968, had been politically honest and brave. The government with its politics and ideology had been openly and covertly ridiculed. On the other hand, the speeches had clear national emphasis. Perhaps the youth there were mostly Jewish. They contained explicit resentment and hostility and even, perhaps, contempt for Russians and longing for Jewish spirituality. It was because of this that my friends were wary of publishing. the document in Somnestat.
Starting point is 05:57:39 Well, this is a little on the confusing side. Leningrad Party Committee secretly has a memorandum worried about destructive Zionist activity with subtle forms of ideological subversion. But then, you know, for Schultzhen-Eason to say just, you know, publish it all, you know, and I'm assuming he's, you know, he's referring to his Jewish friends here. You know, it, it's, what really, what really is happening is that the Soviet Union has changed so radically. You imagine if in our country is, you know, the local Republican Party, because of destructive Zionist activity in this city, they're subverting our nation.
Starting point is 05:58:32 But why it's secret, I don't know, because the state had always been anti-Zionist, pretty much from the 50s onward. I'm not sure why it's a secret memorandum. And in their mind, Zionist activity was the same as ideological subversion. As far as I can see, we're talking with, yeah, I guess 1968. And then he says, you know, the government was his politics and ideology had been both openly and covertly ridiculed. So, and I guess that refers to, you know, so that's, that was in Samisad as well. So I'm a little confused here, but, um, but of course the end of it is not confusing. Explicit resentment and hostility, contempt for Russians. Well, if there's resentment and hostility, there's probably.
Starting point is 05:59:34 be contempt. And I don't think there is such a thing as do with spirituality. And they didn't want this thing, you know, exposure is about the last thing that these people want. Remember, at that point, to me's doubt was huge, just like the underground church was enormous, far, far greater than what anyone in the West had known. Even Sultan Eaton, when he was in exile, I was asked about it. Of course, what can he say? He's not going to out anybody. But he wasn't entirely sure.
Starting point is 06:00:08 But I would certainly love, but I would love to live in a society where Zionist activity was seen as subversive. Although we are heading in that direction. 1968 was a brutal year. I mean, clearly they had, they were, they were winning in, but we're told that they were winning in Vietnam. That was considered a Soviet victory. but the Israelis in the other hand were in the process of destroying the Arab state, Egypt, Syria, and Iraq. So that became a greater issue. So how many times have I said this?
Starting point is 06:00:51 The establishment of Israel in 1948 ruined the entire party. And I mean it with a small P and a big P. because it was such a Jewish nation, such a, not a nation, such a Jewish empire, the Soviet Union, that now you have something competing for their loyalties. And the minute at this point, once they start winning wars, they didn't care about all the methods they used to win those wars,
Starting point is 06:01:24 then, you know, they had to say, you had to be a total fanatical Stalinist to reject Israel entirely. But this goes hand in hand with what we've been discussing, I think, from the last couple of weeks. Jews leaving, both ideologically and physically, leaving the Soviet Union, changed everything. And this is part of the reason why economically it collapsed. I was suddenly struck by how true these Jewish sentiments were. Quote, Russia is reflected in the window glass of a beer stand, end quote. The poet Uflund had supposedly said there.
Starting point is 06:02:10 How horrifyingly true. It seemed that the speakers accused the Russians not directly but by illusions of crawling under counters of beer pubs and of being dragged from the mud by their wives, that they drink vodka until unconscious. They squabble and steal. We must see ourselves objectively, see our fatal shortcomings. Suddenly, I grasped the Jewish point of view. I looked around and I was horrified as well.
Starting point is 06:02:36 Dear God, where we, the Jews, cards, dominoes, gaping at TV, what cattle, what animals surround us. They have neither God nor spiritual interests. And so much feeling of hurt from past depression rises in your soul. I think he's trying to see it from Jewish. eyes. Jewish eyes looking at Russians or really any any, any Westerners, for the most part. I think that's what he's trying to do here. Games, gaping at TV.
Starting point is 06:03:15 And then, of course, we all know what cattle means, animals. But it's very strange. If that's the case, they have neither God nor spiritual interest. Well, it was illegal. so I'm not really sure what, you know, unless I'm misinterpreting this. But it sounds like he's trying to see Russians from Jewish eyes. Only it is forgotten that the real Russians were killed, slaughtered, and suppressed, and the rest were stupefied, embittered, and driven to the extremes by Bolshevik thugs,
Starting point is 06:03:50 and not without the zealous participation of the fathers of today's young Jewish intellectuals. modern-day Jews are irritated by those mugs who have become the Soviet leadership since the 1940s, but they irritate us as well. However, the best among us were killed, not spared. It's a miracle. It's a divine miracle that there are any Russians left at all. When you consider World War I, the Civil War, and then collectivization, and then World War II, you know, constant starvation policies.
Starting point is 06:04:25 and then of course even worse than 90s where the Russian life expectancy went down for males to 59 but you know he's right of course he's he's it's possible that that previous paragraph he was talking about himself Russians are not adverse to looking at themselves critically unlike certain people sometimes it's hard to it's hard to blame
Starting point is 06:04:56 the Jews, despite the fact that in previous generations, they created the situation in the first place. The real Russians were killed, slaughtered, and suppressed. And when the church went into exile, it was people of non-Russian descent like Sarah from Rose, and I dare say myself, that have taken up this mantle. I'm certainly a lot more Russian than Lenin ever was. You know, but the concept that the zealous participation of Jews is just not going to enter into their minds. So, but I'm not sure what anyone could expect of a Russian population at this point. You know, at any moment, they could be arrested.
Starting point is 06:05:47 At any moment, they could go off to the gulag for God knows what reason. Because if your uncle does something, you may be in trouble. Yeah, it's easy to be horrified. Sultanistan is talking about. But this was something that was created. It was deliberately created. The modern state does this, especially the Soviet state. The capitalist state, of course, does the same thing and creates the same thing.
Starting point is 06:06:17 There were millions in exile, and that, especially the royalist movement in exile, almost like a government in exile, not quite. And the church abroad brought the Russian Orthodox Church to the entire world. Today you go into your typical parish and half of the parish is non-Russian. And I think even more so today, since orthodoxy is clearly the religion of resistance, because Russia is at the center of resistance to the regime. Orthodoxy and Shiite Islam. So that, I'm not sure how direct, that's an indirect cause, but You know, this was something that was created often by Jews.
Starting point is 06:07:09 But he's living at a time. He's talking about a time where Jews wanted to go oppress someone else for once and had abandoned the Soviet Union. And so what was left? But it's certainly not fair to condemn what was left among the Russians for this. This is what happens when you live in a totalitarian system. But what did anyone expect? It's heroic for any of these people to become a spiritually literate and as many of them are.
Starting point is 06:07:45 I remember when I first converted, I converted to the Serbs. That was an old Serbian parish. He says, I don't understand how a guy, you're from a non-Orthodox corrupt country. How did you even know about this stuff? it's a big shock to them. And in his mind, he couldn't articulate it very well, but the capitalist regime and the Soviet regime are very similar
Starting point is 06:08:12 in terms of what kind of person it creates. You know, it's all materialist, it's all internationalist. There's no national connection. The family's under attack, all that stuff. Both ideologies, of course, are very similar. And so I guess the backside of all this is that for Russians to rebel against this is, in fact, a heroic. And by the 80s, Russian nationalism didn't get you sent to prison, as far as I can tell. How many of the nationalist organizations like POMN were real?
Starting point is 06:08:49 I don't know. There's a lot of debate about that. We all know what Gironovsky was. and he was a complete fraud, a Jewish fraud, no less. So anyway, it's easy to be horrified, but you have to understand why. And Schulteneaton is well aware of this, of course. But that does not in any way excuse the Jewish point of view. They should know better.
Starting point is 06:09:19 Do not look back Pomerant's lectured us later in his Samistat essays. do not look back like Orpheus who lost Eurida this way. Yet we have already lost more than Euridae. We were taught since the 1920s to throw away the past and jump on board modernity. But the old Russian proverb advises, go ahead, but always look back. We must look back. Otherwise, we would never understand anything. I, now a few times in my writings, in my longer writings,
Starting point is 06:09:52 I go into great detail as to how similar late capitalism and Marxism really are, and not just Soviet Marxism either. The foundations are identical. Marx considered himself the apogee of the Enlightenment. This is where science will finally find itself, or to find its terminus, and it has to do with what he thought was labor. he never gave an explanation as to how that could possibly be how his revolution will lead to this kind of happiness he never mentioned it neither did Lenin or Trotsky or anyone else
Starting point is 06:10:39 so it's very suspicious but talking about modernity the Soviet system just like the Marxism in general saw itself this is what the Enlightenment was about we're bringing it to fruition. Even if we had tried not to look back, we would always be reminded that the core Russian issue is in fact the inferiority complex of the spiritless leaders of the people that has persisted throughout its long history. That's a quote. And this very complex,
Starting point is 06:11:15 quote, pushed the Russian czarist government towards military conquests. And inferiority complex is a disease of mediocrity. End quote. Do you? Do you? Do you want to know why the revolution in 1917 happened in Russia? Can you guess? Yes, quote, the same inferiority complex caused a revolution in Russia, end quote. Oh, immortal Freud, is there anything he hasn't explained? They even stated that, quote, Russian socialism was a direct heir of Russian aristocracy, end quote, precisely a direct one.
Starting point is 06:11:51 It goes without saying, and almost in unison, quote, there is direct competition. end quote. There is direct continuity between the Tsarist government and communism. There is qualitative similarity, end quote. What else could you expect from, quote, Russian history founded on blood and provocations? End quote. In a review of Agorski's interesting book, ideology of national Bolshevism, we find that, quote, in reality, traditional fundamental ideas of the Russian national consciousness began to penetrate into the practice and ideology of the ruling party very early.
Starting point is 06:12:25 The party ideology was transformed as early as the mid-1920s, end quote. Really? Already in the mid-1920s? How come we missed it at the time? Wasn't it the same mid-1920s when the very word Russian, I am Russian, had been considered counter-revolutionary? I remember it well. But you see, even back then, in the midst of persecution against all that was Russian
Starting point is 06:12:50 and Orthodox, the party ideology, quote, began in practice to persistently, began in practice to be persistently guided by the national idea, end quote, quote, outwardly preserving its internationalist disguise, Soviet authorities actually engaged in the consolidation of the Russian state, and quote, of course, quote, contrary to its internationalist declarations, the revolution in Russia has remained a national affair. This Russia upturned by revolution continued to build the people's state. People state, how dare they say that,
Starting point is 06:13:30 knowing of the red terror of the millions of peasants killed during the collectivization and of the insatiable gulag? I've read Agorski some years ago pretty substantially. I wanted to make sure I understood the National Bolshevik movement at its root. And there were a few Germans as well who was writing on this.
Starting point is 06:13:54 A lot of this is wishful thinking. The whole theory was that Bolivism and Marxist communism were two different things. And as time goes on, they're going to, they're going to divert even more. To connect the Soviet state, czarism, he doesn't do it in detail. He can't. they are completely different entities at every level. He's relying on the propaganda that the Tsar's bureaucracy was this huge, sprawling thing, and it simply was not. That's an old saw that people believe.
Starting point is 06:14:39 It's amazing how the Tsars had trouble with enforcement. Soviets never did. Things technologically had changed. but but you know Erskine tried to the National Bolshek movement at this point early on was a way
Starting point is 06:14:59 the Russian nationals who didn't want to go into exile were able to intellectually deal with the loss of the white forces in the Russian Civil War what part could we play in this new country so when he says the fundamental idea is the Russian National
Starting point is 06:15:17 consciousness began to penetrate, etc. That's pure wishful thinking. He has no evidence for that whatsoever. He tried to ingratiate himself with the Communist Party in the sense that he thought that he can then bring Russian nationals into it and blunt any attack. Because Russian nationalism and orthodoxy are, you know, in the country, are one of the same. There is no national idea without orthodoxy. Absolutely none.
Starting point is 06:15:45 it's the core of the of the culture so I don't know what the heck he's talking about and of course he's implicitly denying the very very close Jewish connection
Starting point is 06:15:56 to all of this qualitative similarity you know and and it's been a little while but reading his works you know
Starting point is 06:16:12 it's like the early Dugan you know where he tries to defend Stalin as a it's very it's very difficult to take it and they're very little evidence that Egerski provides for this
Starting point is 06:16:26 and then of course he says things like you know blood and in provocations ideology of national bolsheism is where if you're if you want to focus on this stuff it's a book you have to read um but there is zero evidence
Starting point is 06:16:44 to a lot of his claims Now, was there evidence of it in the 70s? It's conceivable. But you can't connect that in any way to czarism. The entire idea of what the political was, what counted as a political thing, was completely different. Marxism inherently is totalitarian. Everything about it, it has to be, without markets and without private, property. And yes, it's a very common claim of theirs. Without the USSR, the Russian state,
Starting point is 06:17:24 the Ukrainian state, the Belarusian state would never have been consolidated. I think I respectfully disagree. It was already consolidated. It was already becoming industrialized. Very quickly, I might add. Its population was exploding. But of course, everything from the war on, Make sure that didn't happen. So contrary to what it actually said, the revolution in Russia has remained a national affair. It's an insult. And you could tell Solzniuson is very upset by that.
Starting point is 06:18:01 Being, you know, to say any kind of Russian nationalism, any expression of it, 20s and 30s was a prison sentence. There's absolutely no question about it. The inferiority complex, I don't understand that. I've heard it many times. I also don't think it's connected to mediocrity. You could have brilliant people with an inferiority complex. Tsarist military conquests existed for defense against various opponents,
Starting point is 06:18:34 creating a border that they could defend. It cost them money, unlike the British Empire, which made them money. So inferiority complex, it's simply too broad of a concept. for it to be of any use here. And Freud, you know, this, all this, this, not, I'm not saying that psychology doesn't have a role to play in understanding this stuff, especially now. But as far as national Bolshevism goes, it's, it's indefensible.
Starting point is 06:19:04 Although in the 70s, 80s, there may be something to it. And in fact, I think the foundations of the National Bolshevik Party, or parties were found in the 80s. who developed in the aliens. And I've used their material before. There's certain things historically that I can't countenance with them, but they are quite useful. No, Russia is irrevocably condemned for all her history and in all her forms.
Starting point is 06:19:35 Russia is always under suspicion. The Russian idea without anti-Semitism seems to be no longer an idea and not even the Russian one. Indeed, quote, hostility towards culture is a specific Russian phenomenon. How many times have we heard that they are supposedly the only ones in the whole world who have preserved purity and chastity, respecting God in the middle of their native wilderness? The greatest soulful sincerity has supposedly found shelter in this crippled land. This soulful sincerity is being presented to us as a kind of national treasure, a unique product like caviar, end quote. Well, I know Catholics obviously will disagree.
Starting point is 06:20:16 but, you know, when Russia took the title of the third Rome, which was accepted by all the other patriarchates that existed, many of them were under, you know, Islam, but that's a different story. Russia really was the only state left of any importance that was defending orthodoxy anywhere. and things got worse given the corruption of the Patriarch of Constantinople under the Turks this is part of the reason that the Russian Patriarchate was formed has to be completely independent of these people you know the Patriarch of Constantinople would
Starting point is 06:21:03 excommunicate someone and they wouldn't pay any attention like the Kolovadis movement for example excommunicated in 1776 no one paid any attention there were Lutherans on the throne I can't think of the top of my head who that was Las Gades Las Gades You had you know
Starting point is 06:21:23 And then a sign went on Freemasonry penetrated it In order to be a bishop Under the Turks You had to pay for it And it was actually a standardized list You know So many
Starting point is 06:21:41 so many Drakmas for this, some of Drakmas for that. And you had to go, you buy your sea. You don't have to be a bishop. You buy your sea, but you get the money back. Well, you got to tax these people.
Starting point is 06:21:54 You get the money in the first place from the Fanon, made up of corrupted Greeks and Jews and a tiny handful of Turks. So it was a deeply corrupt system there. Russia was the only place where Orthodoxy had been, had been,
Starting point is 06:22:11 preserved. And when everything hit the fan with Alexis, Nikon, and the belief, that exact same debate occurred again. But I'm understanding hostility towards culture. Well, I think there's a very eccentric definition of culture that they're using. Russian culture is orthodox. It's certainly agrarian. And the Slavophiles, especially the Slavophiles, as a philosophical phenomenon, are the place to go to begin to understand it, in my opinion. Yes. Make fun of us, Russians. It is for our own good. Unfortunately, there is some truth to these words. But while expressing them do not lapse into such hatred, having long been aware of the terrifying decline of our nation under the communists, it was precisely during those 1970s that we gingerly wrote gingerly wrote about a hope of revival of our morals and culture. But strangely enough, the contemporary Jewish authors attacked the idea of Russian revival with a relentless fury,
Starting point is 06:23:24 as if, or because they feared the Soviet culture would be replaced by the Russian one. Quote, I am afraid that the new dawn of this doomed country would be even more repugnant than its current 1970s, 1980s decline. and that will explain the development of the Jewish oligarchy, both in Ukraine and in Russia, that took over in the early 90s with American support. Yeah, I was just editing something I'm doing on the transition from Yeltsin to Putin. Yeltsin's popularity, I think, was like negative 9,000, and yet he still won the election. of 90 was it 96 I can never remember how was that even possible
Starting point is 06:24:16 you know he was the most hated man in the Slavic world and he was wasted half the time which is kind of funny maybe maybe it was a good thing I don't know he would disappear for days on end
Starting point is 06:24:32 having a guy like that Jews underneath him like Gidar and Jews at the Harvard University Economics Department who got into a lot of trouble for this later on because they took public money for their own enrichment and were convicted, but Harvard paid for all their fines and all that. But he's exactly right.
Starting point is 06:24:59 It is because, you know, Soviet culture is very artificial. Russian culture is not. and they are well aware of what Russian culture truly is and Jews are going to despise anything like that. We can't have the third Rome return. And as I've said before, like it or not, the popularity of the restoration of the monarchy is very popular there,
Starting point is 06:25:28 especially as Putin gets older. And eventually, as popular as he is, eventually he's going to have to leave. is it possible that he is paving the way? I don't know. There's a whole lot of monks on Mount Dathos that think so. But there's a lot of problems in the meantime. So attacking the idea of the Russian revival with a relentless fury, that's daily life.
Starting point is 06:25:56 And you could pretty much put anything in there. Under normal circumstances, the same thing for Ukraine, same thing for Belarus. Now, of course, today it's a lot of. different with Ukraine, but despite the fact that Jews are only a tiny, tiny percentage, far less than in America of the Russian and Ukrainian population, showing just how their power being what it is
Starting point is 06:26:23 and their control over media and stuff like that being what it is, you know, they make 0.005% of the population is an absurdity. As I've said before, it comes from the Shabbat organization and they are at the at the root of this um of course it existed back then their headquarters was in new york we've talked about this before they wanted to uh uh bring it to de nyepper um because of colomoisky's you know the massive um complex that he had built for the jews there you know that's all gone now uh it gets complicated and i have like 19 papers on it at
Starting point is 06:27:06 least. But yes, as far as the Jews are concerned, a Russian dawn, just like the Greek one, the Greek dawn would be absolutely repugnant. And the policies that were, you know, the Jewish oligarchs that a dozen, maybe two dozen, overwhelmingly Jewish, who controlled the economy by the mid-90s, the population kept falling. there was a huge brain drain. What they were doing was just asset stripping.
Starting point is 06:27:40 There was no productive investment, really. It was just stripping what was left and taken off. And Putin put a stop to it. Lukashenko put a stop to it even earlier. That's the basis of their popularity. Looking back from the Democratic 1990s, we can agree that it was a prophetic declaration. Still, was it said with compassion or with malice?
Starting point is 06:28:06 And here is even more. Quote, Beware when someone tells you to love your homeland, such love is charged with hatred. The irony. Beware of stories that tell you that in Russia, Russians are the worst off, that Russians suffered the most
Starting point is 06:28:21 and that the Russian population is dwindling. Sure, as we all know, this is a lie. Be careful when someone tells you about the great statesman who was assassinated, i.e. Stolipin. Is that also a deception? No, it is not a deception. Not because the facts are incorrect.
Starting point is 06:28:40 Nevertheless, do not accept even these true facts? Be careful. Be aware. End quote. You know, I don't even need to know who the author is. It's very, you know, it's obvious where they're coming from. It's Kazanov. Be Kazanov.
Starting point is 06:28:59 Yeah. Well, that could be anything, actually. But, you know, Since I took up this mantle in roughly 1997, something like that, 96, I've come across this a thousand times. Jews see non-Jews as cattle, as Goyim, but there's something special about the Russians. They are the threat to Jewish domination. I said it at the time, long before Putin came around. A revived Russia, and we're seeing it, of course, Russia is now the fourth largest economy in the world,
Starting point is 06:29:46 surpassing both Germany and Japan, and is officially Orthodox. And that's why the West will do anything. Just kill more Russians. We don't care. The war's over. Two million Ukrainians are dead. just act like a terrorist. It doesn't matter. It can't be allowed to continue this growth. It's growing anyway. The West has been exposed because of it. And the oligarchic government in Kiev, essentially a handful of Jewish guys that used to be under Kolomoisky before he got in trouble. He lives in Israel now. But that could change at any point.
Starting point is 06:30:36 And, you know, it just shows the nature. Yeah, they talk about deception. But just like they call, I mean, I wrote about this. If you go to the way back machine, archive.com or, yeah, find my own website, the American Journal of Russian and Slavic Studies. I was talking about this stuff back then. and the nature of the attacks. And it's not just editorial.
Starting point is 06:31:05 You know, this is in the New York Times. They put this anti-Russian stuff as normal Russian reporting, you know. And I think the more that the Jewish regime hates him, the more that Russians and Slavs love him. And Africans, apparently. He's extremely popular in West Africa. Long story there. But so much so much of the developing world looks to, Putin and to a lesser extent Iran as their support, China, I should say, as their support.
Starting point is 06:31:36 And that's terrifying just by itself. There is something extraordinary in this stream of passionate accusations. Who would have guessed during the fiery 1920s that after the enfeeblement and downfall of that beautiful, i.e. communist regime in Russia, those Jews who themselves had suffered much from communism, who seemingly cursed it and ran away from it, Would curse and kick not communism, but Russia itself? Blast her from Israel and from Europe and from across the ocean. There are so many such confident voices ready to judge Russia's many crimes and failings, her inexhaustible guilt toward the Jews, and they so sincerely believe this guilt to be inexhaustible.
Starting point is 06:32:20 Almost all of them believe it. Meanwhile, their own people are coyly cleared of any responsibility from their participation in Cheka shootings, for sinking the barges in their doomed human cargo in the white and Caspian seas, for their role in collectivization, the Ukrainian famine, and all the abominations of the Soviet administration, for their talented zeal in brainwashing the natives. This is not contrition. Well, we've talked about this before.
Starting point is 06:32:47 Contrition is, I think, out of the question. But, you know, God has performed, you know, greater miracles. We all know in the EU You talk about this stuff And off the prison, you go And God Sven Longshanks went to prison for a lot less than that I've learned the hard way that you talk about this stuff Even in question form
Starting point is 06:33:13 You lose jobs Very good jobs That there's a certain things I mean beyond the Holocaust This is the other thing that is, or the pogroms, you're going to talk about who really, who really suffered during the pogroms. Jews did not suffer much from, from communism. It was, it was to a great extent their world. But as I said before, I remember, I still remember that quote from Woodrow Wilson.
Starting point is 06:33:46 The only time he ever, he ever opposed the new communist state is when he, quote, acted like a czar. Talk about Lenin. so much of the anti-communist movement, especially as neocons, which was, of course, completely Jewish. This was anti-Russian. They disguised it as anti-communism.
Starting point is 06:34:08 But the same neocons now, communism is now a minor factor in Russian politics. They still want to destroy the country. That proves that they only cared about destroying Russia. And they knew what the 1990s were doing
Starting point is 06:34:25 to the Russian population and all of a sudden, I mean, I have it. Again, look at my old essays, they come out and say that the oligarchy and democracy are the same thing. So long as just Jewish. They're not shy about that.
Starting point is 06:34:42 And, you know, I have I have so many writings on all of this stuff. I couldn't name them all if I tried. I could send you a few. Going way back, this is 2004. I think I really got into this topic.
Starting point is 06:34:57 but yeah, there's nothing really to add. Jews are incapable of looking at themselves critically. They are incapable of evil. They are their own Messiah. And how dare the Goyam even speak to us, let alone condemn us? We, brothers or strangers, need to share that responsibility. It would have been cleanest and healthiest to exchange contrition for everything committed. I will not stop calling the Russians to do that.
Starting point is 06:35:33 And I am inviting the Jews to do the same. To repent not for Trotsky, Kamenev and Zinoviev. They are known in any way can be brushed aside. Quote, they were not real Jews. Instead, I invite Jews to look honestly into the oppressive depths of the early Soviet system at all those invincible characters, such as Isaiah Davidovich Berg, who created the infamous gas wagon, which later brought so much affliction on the Jews himself,
Starting point is 06:36:00 and I call on them to look honestly on those many much more obscure bureaucrats who had pushed papers in the Soviet apparatus and who had never appeared in light. We talked about this at great length. I mean, if you were a Jew living in Florida, just at the time, you know, 1925, fight of the USSR. You could be a general or you could head into agricultural department. You know, they were just throwing these Jews into places. Jews who have never seen a fields before are being placed in in charge of collectivization.
Starting point is 06:36:35 They knew that the West was going to feed them. They didn't have to worry about it. They knew that it was a salt of the earth. It was the peasantry that hated them and that hate was returned. Now, gas wagons. Well, you know, the Germans use diesel. bit of a problem to die from those fumes
Starting point is 06:37:00 gas that was another matter that is what was used in the USSR they created that and then they projected they projected that onto the Germans once they
Starting point is 06:37:14 all the physical evidence for the so-called Holocaust came where it was under Soviet control they also controlled Nuremberg and the nonsense I mean, it wasn't a, Normandy was not a court.
Starting point is 06:37:29 You could call it one. It was simply a way to cover over. It's just a Soviet show trial to destroy these people. You know, they couldn't possibly have a defense given the circumstances at the time. So, but yeah, we could share responsibility. Okay, I could see that to a point. But Russians suffered far more than anyone else. Russians and Ukrainians.
Starting point is 06:38:00 Jews were, and he rightly says, they weren't just at the top. They're not real Jews. Well, why not? Most Jews are atheists. How can they, you know, there's no basis on them saying that. They certainly surrounded themselves with Jews. And we've been through, remember, we went through all these names, was that six months ago, these Jewish names, the middle management of the police system and different.
Starting point is 06:38:28 errors, you know, the 20s and 30s of the Soviet Union. So it wasn't just these big names. And the very fact of saying that, you know, Solzhenitsyn says, you know, you see it in the Gulag archipelago as well. And that's what gets him condemned in the West and got him condemned in the West to this day. So, yeah, the gas wagon thing, yeah, it did exist in the USSR, not so much in Germany. but he can call on them all he wants and they have an entire narrative
Starting point is 06:39:04 that's reflected in almost every media source every academic source it's a lie of course that completely eliminates any guilt on their part and even if there were it doesn't matter we did it for a good reason and that's that's the dominant point of view of course in academia and I had to deal with that. Can you believe it? Yes. However, the Jews would
Starting point is 06:39:34 not be Jews if they all behaved the same. So other voices were heard. I think we should stop right there. We should and we'll be able to finish a chapter in the next episode. Yeah, remember, I got a blood pressure issue, you know, and these people, boy, they send it through the roof. You know, I, My experience with debating Jews as such, boy, sink bugs are everywhere. Damn it. I get nowhere. You know, unless they're already friends of mine, I'm not crazy. You know, I could talk to them.
Starting point is 06:40:13 But otherwise, there's no, there's no discussing anything with them. Black people, a different story. I can talk to them. But Jews, it's just, it becomes too shrill. And of course, if I was in Canada or the EU, they would just threaten me with the cops. So, yeah, this is a great place to stop the outrages. It's bad enough that you had a real Holocaust in the USSR.
Starting point is 06:40:41 You had a whole Holocaust denial movement in American academia led by, I think it was Sheila Fitzpatrick. Of course, you know, none of them were, you know, it was considered a perfectly legitimate academic exercise denying the extent of Stalin's crimes, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, almost to rub our noses in it. That was in the 70s and 80s. So what they created in Germany was there's nothing but a projection of their own crimes. And how do you deal with that? You know, medication, probably on the way you can deal with that. All right.
Starting point is 06:41:24 I encourage everyone to go over to the description of the video on Rumble or Odyssey. and click on the link, support Dr. Johnson's work, buy his new book, and just, you know, drop him a line, let him know that you appreciate what he's doing because this is quickly coming to an end. And this has been something we're going on. We just finished 15 months. My God. All right, Dr. Johnson, I'll talk to you to. a couple days.
Starting point is 06:42:07 All right, my friend. See you then. All right. Take care. Bye. Goodbye. I want to welcome everyone back to our reading of 200 years together by Alexander Soshenyessen.
Starting point is 06:42:20 This is episode number 120. Dr. Johnson, how are you doing today? I'm feeling pretty well. Stanley is at my feet. He's a little bit under the weather. He's a little bit out of sort since his brother died. But he's slowly, you know, he's not looking for him as much as he used to.
Starting point is 06:42:40 He's a little under the weather, but I have a couple of cats who are right now. My Turkish Angora is, too, the one who's deaf, who has no idea how loud her meows are. You could hear, you know, where the train tracks are. So whatever it is, whatever's going around, I don't know. but otherwise, as always, I'm doing very, very, very well. Thank God Almighty. Did you allow the other cats to view Marcel's body? Yes.
Starting point is 06:43:15 Okay. Yes, they want nothing to do with it. Oh, okay. Yeah, I found that when I had a cat that passed away in the middle of the night, very young, just no just probably heart just gave out there was something wrong and um because the other cats found him um they didn't when when when he when i finally removed his body from the house they they seemed to be of sorts they seemed to be okay yeah it was it was brief we had a nice box for him buried him out um in uh in the backyard and
Starting point is 06:43:57 Stanley, Stanley has not quite been, you know, there's a power dynamic now that's changing. Because, you know, Stanley and Marcel ran the household. So cats were starting to change their behavior. But Stanley's getting better. He was, yeah, he was definitely out of sorts. He refused to see the body. He refused to, you know, when he was dying on my lap, he refused to look. In fact, he fell asleep.
Starting point is 06:44:26 Yeah, cats feel things. And they could see things. They could see things that humans can't. And, you know, that was three weeks ago right now, in fact. Three weeks ago, 2 p.m. All right. Well, onward. I think we're going to finish this, we'll finish it in this chapter today.
Starting point is 06:44:49 Okay. So as soon as the great exodus of Jews from the USSR began, there were Jews who, fortunately for all and to their honor, while remaining faithful to Judaism, went above their own feelings and looked at history from that vantage point. It was a joy to hear them and we hear them still. What hope for the future it gives? Their understanding and support are especially valuable in the face of the violently thinned and drastically depleted ranks of Russian intelligentsia.
Starting point is 06:45:21 I don't know what he means by remaining faithful to Judaism here. That's very, very vague. I don't know if it's tongue-in-cheek or what. to me, being faithful to Judaism is, in essence, you know, Talmudism or some variant of it, or even the Zohar. But I don't know how he's using that phrase here. A melancholy view expressed at the end of the 19th century comes to mind. Quote, every country deserves the Jews it has.
Starting point is 06:45:54 Now, that's a profound statement. That's a very profound statement. It goes for any. It goes for any relationship. People do what they can get away with. They'll test limits. They'll see how much they can get away with. You let them get away with it.
Starting point is 06:46:08 And they'll keep doing it. It goes for kids. It goes for anything. And that's where Russians, Germans, anybody, has to look at themselves and say, how did we permit this to happen? I mean, we've been fighting as long as we could remember. But elites and everyone else,
Starting point is 06:46:25 the bulk of the population years ago allowed it. allowed them to take over and to debase the culture, et cetera, and continue to celebrate them for the most part. So, yeah, every country deserves the Jews that has. Limits were not sent. Families deserve the kids that they have, the ones that they have. You know, you keep letting them get away with things, and they'll continue to do it. It's that simple.
Starting point is 06:46:54 Building off of that quote, it depends where you look. If it were not for voices from the third wave of emigration from Israel, one would despair of dialogue and of possibility for mutual understanding between Russians and Jews. Roman Rootman, a cybernetics worker, had his first article published in the Emigre Simistat in 1973. It was a bright, warm story of how he first decided to emigrate and how it turned out. And even then, he showed distinct warmth towards Russia. The title was illustrative, quote, about a bow to those who has gone and my brotherhood to those who remain, end quote. Among his very first thoughts during his awakening was, quote, are we Jews or Russians?
Starting point is 06:47:46 End quote. And among his thoughts on departure, there was, quote, Russia crucified for mankind, end quote. Next year in 1974 in an article, the Ring of Grievances, he proposed to revise, quote, some established ideas on the Jewish question and to recognize the risk of overemphasizing these ideas, end quote. There were three. One, the unusual fate of the Jewish people made them a symbol of human suffering. Two, a Jew in Russia has always been a victim of unilateral persecution. 3. Russian society is indebted to the Jewish people.
Starting point is 06:48:32 He quoted a phrase from the Gulagra Capellago, quote, During this war, we discovered that the worst thing on earth is to be a Russian, end quote, and recognize that the phrase is not artificial or empty, that it is based on war losses, on the revolutionary terror before that, on hunger, on quote, the once in destruction of both the nation's head, its cognitive elite, and its feet, the peasantry, end quote although modern Russian literature
Starting point is 06:49:00 and democratic movements preach about the guilt of Russian society before Jews the author himself prefers to see quote the circle of grievances end quote instead of quote the saccharine sentimentality about the troubles and talents of the Jewish people to break this circle of grievances
Starting point is 06:49:18 one must pull at it from all sides end quote well when he says circle it implies that there really are two functional sides. Now, in Russia, they certainly are. In America, there's not. They're simply the Jewish side.
Starting point is 06:49:37 You know, it's like sometimes people talk about white versus black in the inner cities. No, it's black versus a, you know, that could do whatever it pleases. There aren't two sides. Or even up until recently, two sides, you know, Israel versus Palestine. I remember Mike Hoffman used to say, that's like saying Israel versus, you know, your local Starbucks. You know, it's not a country. They don't have an army.
Starting point is 06:50:07 They don't have anything that a normal country would have. There aren't two sides here. That was a long time ago. And back then, it certainly was true. Now, Roman Rutman, we know how Zolzhenitsyn has built someone up in the past and has, you know, slammed them down. But up into this point here, He's saying things that will get him kicked out of the synagogue. Now, those three things, the unusual fate, Jew and Russia, the victim, unilateral, persecution, Russia's indebted.
Starting point is 06:50:39 Those three statements, of course, he's saying they need to be at least revised. That we know all three of them are false as far as they go. and this entire book has really been ensuring that we know that all three of these things are false. Now, I don't know what his background is, you know, personally, such that he was able to come up with this. There's always going to be those Jews who are disgruntled. I guess they're simply called self-loathing, which is nonsensical, because he's simply telling the truth here. there's been a fairly substantial number of Jews who have converted to orthodoxy
Starting point is 06:51:24 and who have been quite strict and I simply have I have no problem with them they are despised by your typical Jew and they always have a very specific reason the great Don Rosenberg who was my first teacher his whole family converted he was the only one who converted to orthodoxy
Starting point is 06:51:41 and he was the first one to teach me about the Jewish question long before I was 17. He was the first one. He was a right-hand man to Roy Cohn in 70s in New York City. And he taught me about the Jewish question for the first time. And part of the reason I went into this field was because of him. Now, I could only assume this guy, still a Jew
Starting point is 06:52:14 but I guarantee it that if he continues I don't know if he's even so alive but this is 1974 who knows that was 50 years ago chances are he's not
Starting point is 06:52:26 but there's reason that most people haven't heard of him but I disagree with that there's a circle because again it implies that there are two signs
Starting point is 06:52:35 the only time that was ever the case was in Russia itself much of the world, certainly Western Europe and the U.S., that it doesn't apply. But at this point, there are so few Jews in Russia that it really doesn't make any difference. Jews are allegedly represented by the Shabbat organization, and that's pretty much it. That's certainly not the case in, well, it is a case in Ukraine, still like 0.1% of the population in both countries. and yet that makes their power, in Ukraine at least, their power all the more obnoxious.
Starting point is 06:53:15 But what this man is saying, during the war, we discovered that the worst thing on earth is being a Russian. That line alone got Solsthenitsyneson in trouble. All the secondary literature I've read on Schulzen-Eton over the years, that half of it is negative. And it's because of comments like this. It's because he does reject one, two, and three in this paragraph. You know, the worst thing in the world is to be a Russian.
Starting point is 06:53:45 We know that's to be true, and not just in Soviet, the Soviet Union, neither. It's certainly the case now. It's the one group of people who you could make the most brutal racist comments about and get away with. You know, I mean, white people in general, of course, but Russians in particular, And we've talked about the origin of a lot of this. It's simply false from a genetic point of view, but this goes way back. It was started really in London and to a lesser extent Poland, really under the reign of Ivan Ivin the 4th, Ivan the Terrible, where a lot of this propaganda started.
Starting point is 06:54:23 And it reached its apogee in the Gulag. Now, he's not necessarily saying that, but it is true. in Russia, even at the time, the circle did make sense. But Russia nationalism, even in the 70s, was growing, but it was not yet a substantial force. It really didn't become a substantial force until the election of Vladimir Putin. Here it is, a thoughtful, friendly, and calm voice. And after these years, we many times heard the firm voice of Michael K. Fitz, a recent Gulag prisoner.
Starting point is 06:55:02 Quote, A champion of my people, I cannot but sympathize with the nationalists of other people, end quote. He had the courage to call for Jewish repentsentsons. Quote, the experience of the German people
Starting point is 06:55:13 who have not turned away from their horrifying criminal past and who never tried to lay the blame for Nazism on some other culprits, on strangers, etc., but instead constantly cleanse itself in the fire of national repentance, and thus created a German state
Starting point is 06:55:29 that for the first time was admired and respected by all mankind. This experience should, in my opinion, become a paragon for the peoples that participated in the crimes of Bolshevism, including the Jews. We Jews must honestly analyze the role we played in other nations affairs, the role so extraordinarily foretold by Jabotinsky, end quote. You know, even when they say good things, they tend to ruin it. I think when he talks about Germany, I'm not sure who he's referring to when he says they're blaming it on someone else. I think maybe he's referring to those fools who think that national socialism was created by Western capitalism, which couldn't be more false. I've written on this to a great extent. I know there are many books on it, including from people who I admire, it simply isn't true.
Starting point is 06:56:22 American capital was the first to call for war against Germany. He says by Germany that was admired by all mankind, I think he means Jews. Because I think many of our listeners are aware in the 30s, and Hitler really brought a country out of the gutter into fairly powerful status in just a few years. You had leaders all over the place, leaders who eventually would war against, showing admiration. Even JFK, probably coming from his father, showed admiration. You know, Pat Buchanan said that Hitler died, say, in 1938, he would probably be, you know, someone admired. He would be a German hero. There would have been a war. No, this would have happened. Now, that might be an exaggeration.
Starting point is 06:57:17 The Jews hated him from day one, even before he even thought about. you know, taking any kind of action. But what he did was quite extraordinary. So he was respected, at least in the sense that he was a threat. And he was only a threat because the West would rather side with the Soviets than with Germany. They'd rather destroy their entire patrimony than side with Germany. The fire of national repentance. Well, that's less obnoxious if the Jews.
Starting point is 06:57:53 saying, okay, Jews have to do this too. And the comment that I'm a Jewish nationalist, therefore I accept the nationalism of others. Well, that makes sense. I'm the same way. I'm not a Jew, of course. I'm a nationalist, and I sympathize with everyone, including Jewish nationalism so long as it doesn't harm everyone around it, so long as it's not, you know, so long as it's elsewhere. Everyone has a right to a state. Not this kind of state of what we're talking about today, obviously. but something else. And there's much, as every nationalist knows, we can learn from them. They're fanatical support of one another. Their over-organization, et cetera, has, you know, given them tremendous power.
Starting point is 06:58:40 And as we've already said, previous generations of Gentiles deserve some blame for that, to simply allow them to get away with things. and whether it be economically or socially or anything else. But so at least this guy, at least verbally, is saying, yes, Jews need to look at what they've done in the same way Germans have looked at what they've done, quote unquote. So it's less obnoxious when he adds that element to it. But of course, he ruins it by saying these things.
Starting point is 06:59:18 we honestly must analyze the role we've played in other nations affairs. Dabatinski, I'm not sure he's the best example, although, you know, because he was a mass murderer. But Zionism at its best, which people like out of Hitler and the black hundreds and so many others accepted was that we don't belong in Europe. Europe is a Christian place. We need to find somewhere else to go.
Starting point is 06:59:48 The British ruined the transfer agreement, et cetera. You know, the so-called anti-Semitic parties and everywhere from Romania to Spain all said the same thing. And this was a very positive element in Zionism that we can't be here. There's a reason why we're disliked. And that was, in a sense, a way to say that, you know, yes, we're nationalists, but we also respect the nationalism of others. today, it seems that the so-called survival strategy is based on nationalism for us and individualism and atomism and self-haters for everybody else. So I think Kaifitz, he's a minority, and I think he's always going to be a minority in the Jewish life. How Jews as a whole react what's going on today, as Israel's on fire, as the settlements are burning.
Starting point is 07:00:47 which is a wonderful thing. That's a different story, but we'll see as time goes on. Things are changing, but I think it's going to take a long time for the Jewish mind to ever change about these kind of things. I have no optimism in that regard, but there's always going to be Michael Kuy Fitz out there, but he'll be relegated to the fringes of Jewish society. Kifetz demonstrated a truly noble soul when he spoke of,
Starting point is 07:01:14 quote, the genuine guilt of assimilated Jews before the native peoples of those countries where they live, the guilt, which cannot and must not allow them to live comfortably in the diaspora, end quote. About Soviet Jewry in the 1920s and 30s, he said, quote, who if not us, their bitterly remorseful descendants had the right to condemn them for this historic mistake, and the settling of historical scores with Russia for the pale of settlement and the pogroms, end quote. Kaifitz also mentioned that B. Penson and M. Corrinblit, who had served labor camp terms along with him, shared his views. You know, even in the process saying very positive things, as I said already, he ruins it. It's not a mistake. This was part of the Jewish mentality.
Starting point is 07:02:10 They were well aware. The mistakes, you know, it's like throwing away your cable bill. Well, that's a mistake. This was something that they decided upon, brought Jews from foreign countries, staffed the bureaucracy. This wasn't an error, and that's almost a deflection. And then saying that this is, you know, settling scores. There certainly was nothing wrong with the pale of settlement, and Jews could live wherever they wanted anyway. And the pogroms, we all know, the mythology behind that. So, you know, even in the good things that he says, it's just like the other one, he ruins it.
Starting point is 07:02:51 It's almost like there's something in their mentality. If the minute they start saying truthful things about themselves, something happens. There's a short circuit. There's a blockage that forbids them to go any further, unless, of course, they convert. Many Jewish converts to orthodoxy have nothing but negative things to say. about Jews and Judaism. And they start, of course, with the USSR. They needed to concoct these scores to settle to justify their mass murders.
Starting point is 07:03:29 And certainly, even if the programs were, as the Jews described, in no way is it proportional for them to annihilate an entire nation and an entire church over decades. you know usually when you get an American professor at Gary Hamburg you pin them saying no there's Jews ran the early USSR most of the USSR they'll say well it's just because of Zaris anti-Semitism that's how they think that they're getting getting away from getting you know getting settling the problem and something I'm going I'm going to accept this entire book has been to show how false that it Jews were always a more or less privileged group of people from the absorption of most of the Jewish population in the Polish absorbing most of Poland into Russia, which is the biggest mistake of all time, all the way up to the present day. and that they have been a very privileged group of people, and their thanks was Trotky.
Starting point is 07:04:43 Almost simultaneously with the words of Kaifitz, by then already an emigrant, Felix Svetov, vividly called out for Jewish repentance from inside the Soviet Union and a Samistat novel, opened the doors to me. It was no accident that F. Svetov, due to his Jewish perceptivity and intelligence, was one of the first to recognize the beginning of Russian religious revival. Later, during a passionate discourse, surrounded the dispute between Astafiev and Edelman, Yuri Stein, described, quote, Our Ashkenazi-specific personality traits formed on the basis of our belief of belonging to the chosen people and an insular small-town mentality. hence there is a belief in the infallibility of our nation and our claim to monopoly on suffering. It is time for us to see ourselves as a normal nation, worthy but not faultless, like all the other peoples of the world,
Starting point is 07:05:40 especially now that we have our own independent state and have already proved to the world that Jews can fight and plow better than some more populous ethnic groups, end quote. You know, sometimes I wonder Jews who talk like this, again, he starts off. half-way D's and he then ruins it. If they're, you know, if they're in Russia at the time, they're really worried about a backlash. It's like Jews start, when the war with Hamas started and Israel, you know, had, you know, publicly wanted to simply destroy the Gaza population, all of a sudden Jews formed all of these organizations against Netanyahu, against the occupation policies, groups have never heard of before.
Starting point is 07:06:29 Jews are having these protests. Israel has been doing this kind of stuff for decades. And only now, when Netanyahu screwed up so badly and even pissed off Jews in the U.S., only now are they protesting. It's part of their damage control. It's Netanyahu. That's the problem. Zionism is wonderful.
Starting point is 07:06:52 Israel has been a wonderful place. Up until this man, Netanyahu has to go. And so as criticism of Israel becomes more and more mainstream, they could say, well, yes, we're opposed to this stuff too. Yes, we're on your side. See, we're not all like that. Even though in Israel, you know, 90% of the population, whoever is remaining, supported Netanyahu's policy in Gaza.
Starting point is 07:07:21 So much of the population has either been killed or fled or well. whatever. We really can't know because of the bans on any kind of video or pictures or anything else from anyone inside. And of course, the media won't show it regardless. You know, this is almost a way of doing damage control. It still is on the fringes of Jewish thinking. But maybe almost in a subconscious way, that's why they're saying stuff like this, which is why they tend to ruin it. Yeah, their fighting comes from the fact that they were. able to be armed to the teeth by the U.S. And I don't think they did a whole lot of plowing.
Starting point is 07:07:58 I think the Arabs did the plowing. But we can say one thing as of 2026, that the relations between Jews and Gentiles has changed forever. Certainly it's not the first time American men have been killed fighting for Israel. In this case, it is so blatant and so public. that even ordinary people are starting to talk like that, which I still can't, I still can't get old. That, um, uh, the relationship has, has changed forever. And, um, how, again, how the Jews somehow assimilate this information over the last,
Starting point is 07:08:41 over the next few years, um, I'm not 100% sure. But, um, they realize that there's, they're, they're in some kind of trouble. And they may just vehemently denounce what's going on there, not, you know, not because they really think it's terrible. They also would have been denouncing Israel for years, but only because now it's public for the first time, undeniable for the first time. During the left liberal campaign against Astafiev, Belov, and Rasputin,
Starting point is 07:09:09 literary historian Maria Schneerson, who, after emigrating, continued to love Russia dearly and appreciate Russian problems, offered these writers her enthusiastic support. Let's be clear. Some of these writers are so-called village prose. That refers to Valentin Rasputin, who I've been reading for many years. In my book on Russian literature, I have a chapter on him.
Starting point is 07:09:38 And he was a major critic of the USSR in destroying the farmland, farms in general. I've been going on for a long time. This was an agrarian national response to Soviet policy. And of course it came much later in the Soviet Union's existence, and he was able to, for the most part, get away with it. Same thing for Belov and many others. These were not leftist by any means. They believed in community rather than the collective as the Soviets promoted. Offering them enthusiastic support, again, I don't know if that means she agrees with them or whatever.
Starting point is 07:10:17 for the most part, they were rejected in American literary circles. Most people don't even know who they are or what the village pro's idea is. But that's who we're referring to here. Rasputin, there's no connection between the two men as far as I know. In the 1970s, a serious, competent and forewarning book on the destruction of the environment in the USSR under communism was published in the West. Written by a Soviet author, it was naturally published under a pseudonym, B. Kamarov. After some time, the author emigrated and we learned his name, Zeev Wolfson.
Starting point is 07:10:59 We discovered even more, that he was among the compilers of the album of destroyed and desecrated churches in central Russia. Few active intellectuals remained in the defeated Russia, but friendly, sympathetic Jewish forces supported them. With this shortage of people and under the most severe persecution by the authorities, our Russian Public Foundation was established to help victims of persecution. I donated all my royalties for the Gulag archipelago to this fund, and starting with its first talented and dedicated manager, Alexander Ginsburg, there were many Jews and half Jews among the funds volunteers. They gave certain intellectually blind extreme Russian,
Starting point is 07:11:44 nationalists sufficient reasons to brand our foundation as being Jewish? Well, it is true that starting in the 1970s, you did have Jewish nationalists going to prison. I can't picture that happening years earlier. And so Jew and Gentile are rubbing shoulders in prison in numbers that were fairly substantial that would not have happened, let's say, in the, in the, 20s or 30s. So how many of these Jews were sympathetic? And I don't really know what he's, what period he's talking about, remained in the defeated Russia. As you referring to the 90s?
Starting point is 07:12:29 Is he referring to, I'm not 100% sure. There were certainly plenty of intellectuals in the, 90s. But it's true, intellectual life was largely outside of the country. And many of its intellectuals were not Russian, by ethnicity, but were in every other way. I don't know anything about Alexander Ginsburg, but clearly Sultan Isson likes the guy, and he did not discriminate in using the funds resources. And you do have, you know, some of the more crazier nationals to say anything is Jewish that doesn't immediately start, you know, shooting them. And you see that with some of the attacks on Putin, too. you know, I'm not sure what they expect him to do, but his policy certainly speak for themselves. And you have a lot of the non-educated nationals who talk like this.
Starting point is 07:13:24 I know exactly who he's referring to, but as it stands, from what I could see, the fund worked. Similarly, M. Bernstein, then Stiersk, and Sturman were involved in our study of modern Russian history. In the fight against communist lies, Agersky, Sturman, Neckrich, Geller, and Sarah Brennikov distinguished themselves by their brilliant, fresh, and fair-minded journalism.
Starting point is 07:13:56 We can also recall the hero... At this point, remember, it's okay to be anti-Soviet as the Jews were leaving the country. You know, it was financing the enemies of Israel. It had been for some time, despite the fact that Stalin was the one who first recognized the Israeli state. So even there, this is, this is, I think Charlton Easton is having a tough time,
Starting point is 07:14:25 the distinction between someone who's legitimately anti-Soviet and the neocon version of anti-Sovietism. You know, once the Jews separated both intellectually and actually physically left the country, being anti-Soviet, I'm not sure if that meant anti-communist. I don't think it did mean anti-communist, anti-Marchism. But being anti-Soviet, that was perfectly now acceptable among Jews. We can also recall the heroism of the American professor Julius Epstein and his service to Russia. In self-centered, always self-righteous and never regretful of any wrongdoings America, he single-handedly revealed the mystery of Operation Kiel Hall, how after the end of the war and from their own continent, Americans handed over to Stalinist agents and therefore
Starting point is 07:15:16 certain death, hundreds and thousands of Russian Cossacks who had naively believed that since they reached the land of the free, they had been saved. The Operation Kiel Hall is, you know, I've been over the literature on that topic many years ago, and it's really, it's hard to read. And it's true. The anti-communist movement was slaughtered due to the U.S. continuing to support the USSR, and not just in this way, but financially and every other way. Being anti-Soviet and being anti-Russian were two totally, completely different things. Sometimes they merged, sometimes they didn't. And so, but, you know, when I was removed, tell you, when I was removed from Mount St. Mary's University many years ago, the one professor stood up for me and he was a Jew.
Starting point is 07:16:16 In fact, when I lectured the faculty on, we'd had these, every summer we had enrichment seminars and I was asked to do one on Russia. And I was defending Zor Nicholas II and the Tsar's system. And he was a huge, he loved it. so and it's almost like he was freer than everyone else to say you know he should not be read et cetera et cetera and what he's saying is good you not have to agree with every detail to what he's saying is good and scholarly and should be heard and should be listened to um so under certain circumstances and you know that fair-mindedness is is uh is possible and um but that's again not necessarily representative of jews in general and certainly not representative of them, we're talking about individuals. We're not talking about collectives. Jews as a collective, completely different than a guy like him, than a guy like, you know, Ginsburg or any of these other people
Starting point is 07:17:15 that Schulte needs and respects and likes and knew personally. You know, it also helped that I knew this guy personally, and he knew what kind of a guy I was. So that's, those are two different things, and I can't believe that I have to tell grown men that there's a difference between a collective, a group of people, and individuals that are founded in that collective. Very, very different things.
Starting point is 07:17:41 And so he's talking about individuals. At an individual level, you know, you've all had Jewish friends, you've all had non-white friends. That doesn't mean at a collective level, they are not harmful to American society. And for some reason, your average normie can't wrap their brain around that. all these examples should encourage sincere and mutual understanding between Russians and Jews.
Starting point is 07:18:05 If only we would not shut it out by intolerance and anger. It's not we. There's one group of people. It's not we. It's one group of people who, you know, is very difficult to talk to. It's not a we. It's not a mutual thing. You know, there's no laws in the EU saying that you go to prison if you criticize Russians or Ukrainians.
Starting point is 07:18:27 You know, there's one group of people. who are beneficiaries of that. So it's not a week. Alas, even the mildest remembrance, repentance, and talk of justice elicit severe outcries from the self-appointed guardians of extreme nationalism, both Russian and Jewish. Quote, as soon as Solzhenyson had called for national repentance,
Starting point is 07:18:50 end quote, meaning among Russians and the author didn't mind that, quote, here we are. Our own people are right there in the front line. End quote. He did not mention any name specifically. but he probably referred to M. Kifetz. Quote, See, it turns out that we are more to blame,
Starting point is 07:19:06 we helped, to install. No, not help, but simply established the Soviet regime ourselves. We're disproportionately present in various organs. End quote. Those who began to speak in a voice of remorse were furiously attacked in an instant. Quote, they prefer to extract from their hurrah,
Starting point is 07:19:25 patriotic gut, a mouthful of saliva. End quote. What a style and nobility of expression. Quote, and to thoroughly spit on all ancestors to curse Trotsky and Begritsky, Kogan, and Denevsky, M. Khyphitz invites us to purge ourselves in the fire of national repentance, end quote. You know, in amongst, there's the Russian church, even the strictest, both royalists and nationalist groups, they do realize that a great many Russians were to blame for this. and it wouldn't have succeeded had a certain percentage of actual Russians or actual Ukrainians either helped it or accepted it.
Starting point is 07:20:11 I've gone on about the role that Peter the Great has played in the destruction of the Russian idea. Even the split between all believers and the Nekonians, the destruction that that created, the separation of state and people that occurred in middle of the 18th century. the purge of the church, and then leaned to the 19th century, the slow decay of the nobility. And that was helped along by the penetration of various Masonic lodges. And the ideas that were either straight from masons or simply Masonic were all over the place in Peter City or St. Petersburg. So you had a tremendous moral decay that does have to be taken seriously. and that decay allowed the revolution to take place in the first place. You can't simply say it was simply a group of Jews that imposed everything and everyone's innocent.
Starting point is 07:21:07 That's that's not true either. Our enemies tend to say that, oh, well, you think all your problems come from the Jews or whatever group they were talking about. And it's not true. Any honest person has to realize their own faults and the faults of their people at least at the elite level, paving the way for this kind of thing. I say it goes straight back to Peter the Great, which is the book I'm working on at the present time. Peter the Great was a proto-Bolshevik in certain ways.
Starting point is 07:21:38 And when it comes out, people are going to see. I've been talking about him for so many years. And I don't know, it would take a real ignoramus to say, no, we can't even talk about that. It's only the fault of this handful of people here. It isn't true. And Solzhenitsyn is in full agreement.
Starting point is 07:21:56 That goes for any of us in any country where the Jews have done damage, that be certain people, generations passed, let them get away with it. And so now we have to clean up the mess. And what a thrashings Vetzov received for the autobiographical hero of his novel. Quote, a book about conversion and Christianity will contribute not to abstract search for repentance, but to a very specific anti-Semitism. This book is anti-Semitic. end quote. yes, and what is there to repent? The indefatigable David Marquish angrily exclaims. Svetov's hero sees a betrayal in the fact that, quote,
Starting point is 07:22:38 we desert the country, leaving behind a deplorable condition which is entirely our handiwork. It is we, as it turns out, who staged a bloody revolution, shot the father of czar, befouled and raped the Orthodox Church, and in addition founded the Gulag Archipelago. End quote. Isn't that right? first these comrades trotsky's sverdloff berman and frankl are not at all related to the jews second the very question of yeah i don't uh the very second the very question about someone's collective guilt is wrong as to blaming
Starting point is 07:23:14 russians you see it is a different thing altogether it was always acceptable to blame them in mass from the times of the elder philothius yeah it's referring to the um third Rome idea. But yeah, when this knowledge, you know, in Russia today is fairly well known. Talking about the Jews running Marxism is day to day in Russia. Putin himself has said it in the early years of the U.S. I was a long time ago. And as that continues, it's one of the reason there are so few Jews left in Russia. So I guess one way out would be to say, well, they're the Jews. It's like it wasn't real socialism back then. And the Jews who ran it, well, they weren't real Jew.
Starting point is 07:24:08 Which, you know, I don't know how you even defend that. I'm not sure what a real Jew is in their opinion. It's simply a throwaway line to try to deflect blame. You know, by talking about individuals rather than collectives. Because you had a huge number of Jews led by the Jews. led by these people, of course, and we've been through so many of them. We've went through tedious lists of names a few months ago. There's no getting away with it.
Starting point is 07:24:37 There's no getting away from it, I should say. And it's, you know, right now, universities all over the planet, or at least all over the Western world, they're lecturing on the so-called Russian Revolution, not talking about the Jewish role. how do you do that? Again, I use the same comparison. That's like trying to lecture on Tibet
Starting point is 07:25:00 without knowing a damn thing about Buddhism or not even knowing that it's a Buddhist country or a Buddhist region. You end up sounding absurd. And that's why so much of the, your typical academic literature is worthless. I don't know if that might change, who knows? But if it does change,
Starting point is 07:25:20 it's going to come from the Jews themselves, although I think that may have something to do damage control. But in Russia proper, this sort of thing is day-to-day, you know, talking about the Jews or something is done out in the open, major newspapers dedicated to it. And in the 90s, you know, you had the creation of the so-called Liberal Democratic Party. If you remember, Vardimir Xerunovsky, who, of course, was a Jew. Real name was Edelman.
Starting point is 07:25:46 whose purpose in Yeltsin's world was to act like a total idiot and in the Western newspapers oh this is Russian nationalism this is what Russian nationalists think if he wanted a nuke whenever he else did something awful or did something stupid but the economy took another turn then downward Zirnozky would end up talking about nuking the Baltics
Starting point is 07:26:12 or something ridiculous I think his most ridiculous idea was getting these huge fans and putting nuclear waste in front of it and pushing it to the Baltics. And it always happened right where Yeltsin was in serious trouble. Or the West was tiring of him. Didn't want to give him any more money
Starting point is 07:26:29 or rig any more elections for. But in the Western media, again, a lot of this was pre-internet, that's what a Russian nationalist was. And there were, of course, plenty of real ones. It also needs him being, of course, one of them to a great extent, and he was still around back then.
Starting point is 07:26:49 So that's another form of damage control that they might do, is create phony groups, create phony individuals that can represent this our kind of people. That happens all the time. But because there are so few Jews in Russia, it's not really, it's not really, this is day-to-day understanding.
Starting point is 07:27:14 For us, you know, at best it's whispered. You're in Congress or even have any connection with Congress talking about the power of the Jewish lobby. You simply can't do it. You know what's going to happen. That isn't the case in Russia, thank God. It is the case in Ukraine, not the case in Russia. David's brother, S.H. Marquish, reasons as follows, quote, as to the latest wave of immigrants from Russia, whether in Israel or in the U.S.,
Starting point is 07:27:41 they do not exhibit real Russophobia. but a self-hatred that grows into direct anti-Semitism is obvious in them only too often. End quote. See, if Jews repent, it is anti-Semitism. This is yet another manifestation of that prejudice. Yeah, I think the line is they're self-loathing Jews. If they dare take, you know, have the Jews have any blame for anything, it's considered a self-loathing.
Starting point is 07:28:10 The Russians should realize their national guilt, quote, the idea of national repentance cannot be implemented without a clear understanding of national guilt. The guilt is enormous and there is no way to shift it on to others. This guilt is not only about the things have passed, it is also about the vile things Russia commits now and will probably continue committing in the future, as Chagrin wrote in the early 1970s. Yeah, I'm not sure what Chagrin is referring to. I think he must be referring to the USSR.
Starting point is 07:28:43 there is a legitimate form of repentance in many countries. You know, you take the good with the bad. Being a nationalist never means that you are the greatest and that you're faultless. You know, only anti-nationalists say stupid things like that. We have to be honest. We have to be truthful. And our enemies tend not to be. They tend to lie through their teeth on a daily basis.
Starting point is 07:29:09 Well, we too tirelessly call the Russians' repent. Without penitence, we will not have a future. After all, only those who were directly affected by communism recognized its evils. Those who were not affected tried to not notice the atrocities and later on to forget and forgive them to the extent that now they do not even understand what to repent of, even more so those who themselves committed the crimes. Every day we are burning with shame for our unsettled people. And we love it too, and we do not envision our lives without it. And yet, for some reason, we have not lost all faith in it.
Starting point is 07:29:53 Still, it is absolutely certain that you had no part in our great guilt in our unsuccessful history. See, I don't know who his audiences here in particular. This is certainly him talking. I don't know what unsettled means. I think he's referring to Russians who haven't developed their proper identity yet. yet. Or he could, I know, unsettled people sometimes is used for Jews, you know, the wanderers.
Starting point is 07:30:24 But I think he's referring to Russians here in general. But you don't have to have experienced the gulag to know that it's evil. I've never been a drug addict, but I'm, you know, you don't have, it doesn't mean I don't know that it's a horrible thing to be, to have and to live. you know, that's kind of, I've never been to war, but we all know the stresses and the pain of it. You know, so I think he's slightly exaggerating here. But it is true that your typical, at least in this country,
Starting point is 07:31:01 your typical American will go through an entire history program without really knowing what the gulang was, how many were killed, and the American role in creating it, the Western role in creating it. Corporate America has a lot to be ashamed of, going way back. People like Joe McCarthy, you know, talk about people who deserve an apology. All the things that we say that turned out to be true, that we were condemned for saying years ago,
Starting point is 07:31:32 we're not getting an apology. And even if we were to get some kind of recognition, it's going to be like what we've been reading so far. it's going to be this double-edged, you know, which is not, you know, if it's double-edged, it's not an apology. You know, when you apologize for something, you don't then give justification for what you've done. And in the middle of Lent, of course, it's still Lent for us. You know, in the middle of Lent, that's something very important to realize.
Starting point is 07:32:04 So this is kind of vague, but I think I know what he's saying here. Here, Shimon Markish referred to Jabotinsky's 1920's article. Quote, Jabotinsky several times on different occasions observed that Russia is a foreign country to us, our interest in her should be detached, cool, though sympathetic, her anxiety, grief, and joyer, not ours, and our feelings are foreign to her too. Markish added, that's also my attitude towards Russian worries, and he invites us to call a spade a spade. However, regarding this delicate point, even free Western Russians are not awesomely courageous. I prefer to deal with enemies, end quote.
Starting point is 07:32:46 Well, he's romanticizing, Jopatinski. If any of our listeners have read my paper on the Bealist trial, and we've spoken of it, you know, God knows when that was 10 years ago when we first got to the Beelous trial in this book. Jabotinsky, you know, said that how dare the Gentiles even bring us to trial for this? They have no right to judge the aristocrats of the world. Yeah, Russia certainly was a foreign country to them. But at no point did Jabotinsky or that type of Jew ever think that Jews should be sympathetic? Griefs and joy, yeah, they're not ours, which gives him.
Starting point is 07:33:34 a certain freedom of as he pleased. We wish that our, meaning Jewish feelings are foreign to hurt too. We know in the West that's certainly not the case. Jewish feelings are absolutely dominant. Jewish feelings become history, become political science. And Jewish ideology now for centuries has essentially been the architecture of our economic thinking, whether capitalists or Marxists. or various forms of socialism.
Starting point is 07:34:10 I wish that were true, but it's certainly not. Jeopardinsky is not, I was never a friend of anyone, but including many Jews, being the fanatical Zionist he was, he saw the Gentile simply as an inferior species. Yet this sentence should be divided into two. Is it the case that to call a spade a spade and to speak frankly mean being an enemy? Well, there is a Russian proverb. Do not love the agreeable, love the disputers. I invite all, including Jews, to abandon their fear of bluntness to stop perceiving
Starting point is 07:34:46 honesty as hostility. We must abandon it historically, abandon it forever. Well, we know precisely what that is like, whether it be professionals, in my case, or even personal. Simply being honest and telling the truth, no one, I mean, no one really likes an honest man. Honesty, when it comes specially to this kind of thing. honesty will in the EU honestly will get you a prison sentence
Starting point is 07:35:09 no one likes an honest man because an honest man is going to expose things that you don't want to have exposed but I have heard you know I've come across many many black people in my time that say you know I would rather deal with an overt racist
Starting point is 07:35:28 than with someone who kind of is or pretends he isn't that makes a lot of sense to me I've been able to have conversations with black folk going way back about race. And I've had really no real big problem with. Jews, of course, are generally speaking impossible. Very hard to talk to. But the disputers are the same thing as honest people.
Starting point is 07:35:57 No, I'm not going to let you get away with this. You have committed tremendous crimes, whether we're talking about blacks in America or Jews in Russia. doesn't make any difference. To deny that is to be dishonest and is to be agreeable in the sense of being, you know, being agreeable in this case is similar to being a virtual signal. I used to call it a membership card state saying, spouting the trendy ideological line about oppressed black people in America and looking for applause, you know, because they're in a, let's say, in a university.
Starting point is 07:36:34 And they better say stuff like that. We call a virtual signaling today before that was coined. I said, yeah, see, I'm a member of the group. I talk like this. So that's what I used to call it. And it shows such a weak and sniveling mentality that, you know, no one can respect. White people pretending, a white person trying to be black. Blacks can't possibly respect that.
Starting point is 07:37:00 Because they're not. They're simply imitating this because they come across it in some awful music or whatever. And if you abandon your own people, what kind of a person are you? It may make them laugh, but nothing more than that. In this book,
Starting point is 07:37:18 I call a spade a spade, and at no time do I feel that in doing so it is being hostile to the Jews. I have written more sympathetically than many Jews write about Russians. Yeah, you think. The purpose of this book, book reflected even in its title is this. We should understand each other. We should recognize each
Starting point is 07:37:39 other's standpoints and feelings. With this book, I want to extend the handshake of understanding for all our future. But we must do so mutually. The interweaving of Jewish and Russian destiny since the 18th century, which has so explosively manifested itself in the 20th century, has a profound historical meaning, and we should not lose it in the future. Here perhaps lies the divine intent, which we must strive to unravel, to discern its mystery, and to do what must be done. And it seems obvious that to know the truth about our shared past is a moral imperative for Jews and Russians alike. I think the divine intent is to separate the wheat from the chaff, as our world comes careening to, very possibly comes careening to its end, that those who are willing to sacrifice money and jobs and whatever to tell the truth
Starting point is 07:38:37 and defend the faith I mean you know Russian Orthodox have synods that talk about the Jews you can't go against those things all the church fathers talk about the Jews in the same way we do you can't now deny them you know you can't and the only reason you would deny them is because you're afraid. You're afraid of what they might do. This is exactly what our error is doing. Those who are willing to speak up at a great cost and your virtue signers who probably don't believe in anything. And that way, we know that the church, the end is going to be very small. And because so many are simply going to give in because it makes life easy. And that's what they want.
Starting point is 07:39:30 Sarah from Rose used to say that institutions are all going to fall at one time or another. Because in order to function, an institution, especially in a dying and corrupt society, an institution has to do certain things as a collective and say certain things. And get rid of those like me, for example, institutions will all fall, he used to say. And that was, you know, Sarah from Rose is one of the reasons I became
Starting point is 07:39:56 Orthodox in the first place, reading his stuff. Because, you know, he was a non-Russian who became very Russian in his mentality and his, in his thinking in his theology, of course. And I think that's what the divine intent is. Solzhenitsyn did tell the truth to a great extent about the Jews, and it, you know, nearly destroyed, you know, it badly harmed his reputation. But because he won the Nobel Prize, it's really hard to make that stick for long. But the condemnations about him and even current academic literature are all over the place for that reason.
Starting point is 07:40:38 So that's extremely, I think that's what Providence is doing here, exposing who was really willing to fight for the truth and those who were simply going along to get along, the virtue signallers. And I hold them in such contempt. You could disagree about something. He may respect the person. but for the virtue signaller, I have zero respect for them as a man. Zero. It's pathetic and it shows such a level of weakness that it's really hard to even deal with them. All righty.
Starting point is 07:41:07 Finish that chapter. We have the next one, chapter 26, the beginning of Exodus. We'll be back in a couple of days. I encourage you to go to the Rumble description and the Odyssey description. There are links there that you can support Dr. Johnson's work. and please do that by his new book. That's another way you can support him. And we'll be back to, you know, what are it turning out to be the last, you know,
Starting point is 07:41:34 the last episodes of this series 16 months later. That's right. This is 120 today. I can't believe it. All right, Dr. Johnson. So I'll see in a couple days. Thank you. All right, my friend.
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