The Pete Quiñones Show - Reading Solzhenitsyn's '200 Years Together' w/ Dr. Matthew Raphael Johnson - Part 18

Episode Date: March 15, 2025

57 MinutesPG-13Dr. Matthew Raphael Johnson is a researcher, writer, and former professor of history and political science, specializing in Russian history and political ideology.Pete and Dr. Johnson continue a project in which Pete reads Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's '200 Years Together," and Dr' Johnson provides commentary.Dr Johnson's PatreonRusJournal.orgTHE ORTHODOX NATIONALISTDr. Johnson's Radio Albion PageDr. Johnson's Books on AmazonPete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's SubstackPete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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So are you refreshed and happy? Everything feeling good? Not that I blame you. We all need in this world. We definitely need a vacation once in a while. Yeah, I'm going to do an episode with a couple of friends of mine talking about the adventures in El Salvador. And, yeah, just exactly what I experienced compared to what people have told me it was like five or six years ago. But yeah, I got some rest down there.

A lot of hills to walk up, though. So, yeah, my legs are, yeah, the, no one, I didn't really realize San Salvador was pretty much, like, built into a valley, but like more up on the nicer parts of it are more up the mountains. So everywhere you, oh, let's go to the history museum. Oh, where is that? Oh, that's at the top of that hill over there. Oh, okay, here we go. Well, you know, the arena party and the anti-communist movement in El Salvador at the end of the 80s was after the abortion issue. That was one of the big issues that I was kind of thrust into.

And I always was surprised that the anti-communists never really had an English language other than Ronald Reagan himself. And the early part of George Bush never really had any defenders. It's one of the reasons I wrote my book on the, not that Al Salvatore was military, but. the military governments of Central and South America because no one else has come to defend them. And we're seeing it now because the president is, of course, extremely popular, not just in that country, but around the Spanish-speaking world. And that's exactly why at least the previous American government hated him.

All righty. We ended right at the end of Chapter 4, and we're going to pick up Chapter 5. Here we go. The murder of the czar liberator, Alexander II, shocked the people's consciousness. Something the niradulsi intended, but that has been intentionally or unintentionally ignored by historians with the passing of decades. The deaths of the deaths of heirs or czars of the previous century, Alexei Petrovich, Ivan Antonovic, Peter III, and Paul were violent.

But that was unknown to the people. The murder of March 1st, 1881, caused a panic in minds nationwide. For the common people, and particularly for the peasant masses, it was as if the very foundations of their lives were shaken. Again, as the Nora DeVosci calculated, this could not help but invite some explosion. This needs to be taken seriously right off the bat because he was of immense popularity. And despite technically not being an object of terrorism, since he was, you know, the monarch. Terrorist Act, by definition, is done against civilians. It had the exact same mentality of a terrorist act.

The point was to shock the population to create a sense of an ease, to create a sense of chaos, where none had existed before because the monarchy had become so popular, had engaged in policies that the left had only promised and now with this murder created an environment created the chaos that the left wanted

so badly. This kind of psychology was in its infancy at the time, but the Jews who ran the so-called to the people movement or the people's will organization what people and what will they're talking about is a totally separate issue, but that's the name of the organization we're

talking about here. They knew how to manipulate psychology. They knew how to manipulate what they now were calling the people or the masses. And then an explosion did occur, but an unpredictable one, Jewish pogroms in Novorosia and Ukraine. Six weeks after the regicide, the pogroms of Jewish shops, institutions, and homes suddenly engulfed in a vast territory with tremendous epidemic force. Indeed, it was rather spontaneous. Local people who, for the most reasons, desired to get even with the Jews, posted incendiary posters and organized basic cadres of pogromists, which were quickly joined by hundreds of volunteers, who joined without any exhortation, caught up in the general wild atmosphere and promise of easy money. In this, there was something spontaneous. However, even the crowds, fueled by alcohol, while committing theft and violence, directed their blows in one direction only in the direction of the Jews, and the unrulyness only stopping at the thresholds of Christian homes.

Of course, this whole thing begs the question. If you read contemporary accounts, and I don't mean contemporary meeting at the time, I mean accounts written today, Jewish Encyclopedia, all this, it'll end right there. that there was absolutely no reason to direct this at the Jews. I mean, the bomb thrower wasn't as far as I know Jewish, but what makes me smile just a little bit here is the phrase fueled by alcohol. Because who knows? Who could have possibly known at the time how unpredictable people can be when they're drinking? Alcohol is how the Jewish elite made their money, at least at this level.

So now they're being, what's the phrase, hoisted on their own petard in this case? The first pogrom occurred in Elizabeth Grad on the 15th of April. Disorder intensified when peasants from the neighboring settlements arrived in order to profit off the goods of the Jews. At first, the military did not act because of uncertainty. Finally, significant cavalry forces succeeded in ending the program. The arrival of fresh forces put an end to the program. There was no rape and murder in this program. According to other sources, one Jew was killed.

The pogrom was put down on the 17th of April by troops who fired into the crowd of thugs. However, from Elizabethgrad, the stirring spread to neighboring settlements in the majority of cases. The disorders were confirmed to plundering of taverns. And after a week, a program occurred in the Ananavetsvichkyy Udhust of Odessa, governmental region, province, then in Ananev itself, where it was caused by some petty bourgeois who spread a rumor that the Tsar was killed by Jews and that there was an official order for the massacre of Jews, but the authorities were hiding this. On the 23rd of April, there was a brief brief program in Kiev, but it was soon stopped with military forces. However, in Kiev, on the 26th of April, a new

program broke out, and by the following day it had spread to the Kiev suburbs, and this was the largest pogrom in the whole chain of them, but they ended without human fatalities. Another tome of the same encyclopedia reports the opposite that several Jews were killed. After Kiev, pogroms took place again in approximately 50 settlements in the Kiev region, during which property of the Jews were subjected to plunder and in isolated cases, battery occurred. At the end of the same April, a pogrom took place in Kunatop, caused mainly by workers and railroad hands accompanied by one human fatality. In Kunatop, there were instances of self-defense from the Jewish side. There was still an echo of the Kiev in Chermereinka, in several

settlements of Shernigov, the governmental region, at the start of May. in the small town of Smell, where it was suppressed with arriving troops the next day, an apparel store was plundered. With echoes in the course of May, at the start of summer program, still broke out in several areas of Akaterina Slav and Poltava regions, Alexandrovsk, Romney, Nijian, Perra Yaloslav, and Borosov. Insignificant disorders took place somewhere in Militopol, there were cases when peasants immediately compensated Jews for their losses. The pogrom movement in Kishaniv, which began on April 20th, was nipped in the bud.

There were no programs in all of Bila Rossa, not in that year, nor in the following years. Although in Minsk, a panic started among the Jews during rumors about pogroms in the South. Northwestern Kray on account of completely unexpected occurrence. And next in Odessa, only Odessa already knew Jewish programs in the 19th century in 1821, 1859, 1871. There were sporadic events caused mainly by unfriendliness toward Jews on the part of the local Greek population, that is, on account of the commercial competition of the Jews and Greeks. In 1871, there was a three-day program of hundreds of Jewish taverns,

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But when I first read this, when this book made a splash in the English-speaking world, I noted something. You know, when you read about pogroms in the Anglo-American historical literature for the, you know, over the last 50 years they paint this picture of the irrational lunatic sometimes drunk Russian Orthodox

peasant or lower level shopkeeper attacking the Jews for absolutely no reason except possibly some kind of irrational jealousy the Jews of course defenseless were slaughtered on moss

they were somehow financed or supported in one way or another by the government because the government was inherently anti-Jewish and it was just irrational from top the bottom. But what we read here is just the opposite. Very few people were hurt. The government was vehemently opposed to any instability

in this part of the world. All these areas that you're, all these cities and towns were all in Ukraine, all market towns, all fairly new within the Russian Empire a lot of them is where Jews have been settled

by the state with all the privileges that we've spoken of in the past that the Jews were and you notice this doesn't happen anybody else

of all the other small minorities whether it be Greeks themselves or Germans no one else seems to earn this level of contempt

Arabs or Syrians Armenians who of course you were Christians but not they were not non-Orthodox, none of these people, many of whom were quite commercially minded, none of them were harmed, only Jews, and in this case, only Talmudic Jews.

There was no doubt that the people's will organization was Judaic at its root. I think it was very, very, the Jews were very careful not to have the actual murderers, murderers of the Tsar be Jewish, but the organization itself was, its leadership was. but we see here that not only the government vehemently opposed it stopped it right away the only fatalities were Russian Orthodox people and that in some cases people were a little bit bewildered by the whole thing and we'll see in the future and this is why I end up writing what turned out to be a huge article of mine

for the Barns Review and a few other places that the pogroms were not as the mythology has told you you know, so many people have talked about the 20th century so-called Holocaust, the Shoa. But I'm one of the first to, after this, coming out with, you know, saying very similar things about these programs. You start hearing the word or reading the number six million around this period of time. The six million number is going to start showing up. You know, this happened 1881. Over the next few decades, you're going to start seeing that number more and more in the Jewish press.

in an English language world as well as the German and the Russian, Ukrainian, and everywhere else, because it is a sacred symbol. So these pogroms came out simply because the revolutionary movement was, for the most part, Judaic. And for reasons that just mystified your average Russian went after and destroyed the one ally, even in their minds, the ally that they had on the throne. of the second. It didn't make any sense. We know what it means today, but at the time it was just so shocking to the Russian population. Solzhenitsyn is also correct to talk about the palace conspiracies and previous murders that we've, some of which we've spoken of here on this, on this, these 18, 18 hours. But this is the first time. It's out in public. There's no denying it. There's no covering it up. It was not a palace coup. It's a murder. Even though it wasn't, the capital, it wasn't. in Petersburg, it was an open murder, very much like, you know, JFK in the U.S. Russians, you know, knew where they were when they came across this new story or heard about it from somebody of,

of an extremely popular man. And it's a shock. And when the people's will, then it's on front page, its Jewish makeup at its administrative level just then added another layer of shock to this whole thing. And Russia was never, ever, ever, ever, ever the same again. Iger Shansky writes in more detail about this pogrom and states that Jewish property was being intentionally destroyed, heaps of watches from the jewelers, they did not steal them, but carried them out to the roadway and smashed them. He agrees that the nerve center of the program was hostility toward the Jews

on the part of the Greek merchants, particularly owing to the fact that after the Crimean War, the Odessa Jews took the grocery trade and colonial commodities from the Greeks. But there was a dislike toward the Jews on the part of the Christian population of Odessa. This hostility manifested far more consciously and prominently among the intelligent and affluent class than among the common working people. Huh, that's weird. I always hear that you have to be really low IQ to notice these things. Yes, only the ignorant could possibly dislike them, yeah.

Yeah, and these comments are coming from a Jewish writer. Interesting. Interesting, how much that changed. You see, however, that different peoples get along in Odessa. Why then did only Jews arouse general dislike toward themselves, which sometimes turns into severe hatred? One high school teacher explained to his class, the Jews are engaged in incorrect economic relations with the rest of the population. Orshansky objects that such an explanation removes the heavy burden of moral responsibility. He sees the same reason in the psychological reason.

influence of the Russian legislation, which singles out the Jews, namely and only to put restrictions on them, and in the attempts of Jews to break free from restrictions, people see impudence, insatiability, insatiableness, and grabbing. As a result, in 1881, the Odessa administration already having experience with programs, which other local authorities did not have, immediately put down disorders which were reignited several times, and the masses of thugs were placed in vessels and dragged away from the shore. A highly resourceful method. In contradiction to the pre-revolutionary, the modern encyclopedia writes that this time the pogrom and Odessa continued for three days. The pre-revolutionary encyclopedia recognizes that the government considered it necessary to

decisively put down violent attempts against the Jews. So it was, the next minister of interior affairs, Count N.P. Ignatiev, who replaced Louis Melikov in May 1881, who firmly suppressed a pogroms, although it was not easy to cope with rising disturbances of epidemic strength. In view of the complete unexpectedness of events, the extremely small number of Russian police at that time, Russia's police force was then incomparably smaller than the police forces in the Western European states, much less than those in the Soviet Union. And the rare stationing a military garrarer, in those areas. Firearms were used for defense of the Jews against pogromists. There was firing in the crowd and people were shot dead. For example, in Borosov, soldiers

shot and killed several peasants. Also, in Nesian, troops stopped a pogrom by opening fire at the crowd of peasant pogromis. Several people were killed and wounded. In Kiev, 400 people were arrested. that fact by itself or that this set of facts totally turns everything on its head you ask the average jew the average educated normie in in england or america ask them about what the program was and they'll say what i said initially we're at a time in jewish thinking where um you know you had you had a relatively i mean for them relatively reasonable approach to the monarchy now you have the the immediate connection between

Jewish elites and the revolutionaries. Maybe I shouldn't say immediate. It did develop, but, and the stories about these programs, the only people who were killed at this early date anyway were non-Jews. The very fact, though, that, and I wrote this in my very first book, which I kind of cringe a little bit at certain elements of it, I wrote when I was 29, whenever, that you didn't have a regular police force or prison system throughout the Russian empire. It didn't exist. It still had a strong medieval point of view where tradition and the church

and the extended family, noble or otherwise, took care of law enforcement. You didn't need a, in fact, the whole Slavophile movement was based on the fact that if you need violence or the threat of violence to support a law, then the law is, you already have lost. If you need the threat of violence to impose law or to affirm law or to enforce law, you're already in serious trouble. And, you know, for us hearing that is shocking, but this is what happens in a traditional society. You didn't have, so you had very few police been compared to Western Europe. You didn't have a fully bureaucratic or institutionalized, rationalized prison system or penal law whatsoever. So now, yet again, Russia has been thrown into an environment that it's not used to entirely because of one group of people.

And the weight of the state was entirely against those who blame the Jews and the Jewish organizations for this murder. And then what came afterwards. Ignatyev was well aware of the Jewish issue. But he also wasn't going to tolerate in a royalist society. he was not going to tolerate this instability where there was a lot of money to be made. Because, you know, remember, they're an intense competition with the British at this time in Russian history, especially in Central Asia and elsewhere. Keep in mind, too, I know I've said this before, but Odessa was the capital of Jewish Ukraine up until maybe the middle of the 20th century where it moved to Dinepra in the east. but Odessa was the capital of Jewish power and money and yeah military force at the time so it makes sense this is where it's going to be and that in the southwestern part of the empire where Jews were massively concentrated fairly new former Polish even some of them former Turkish areas are going to come in and with a lot of Jews so yet again here's another issue that the Russians weren't prepared for now they have to deal with massive

arrests, 1,400 people. Yeah, there were rebellions and things in the past, but those were civil wars. Those were military conflicts. This is a civil conflict. 1400 people arrested. The Russian Empire did not have the resources or the institutions to deal with these kind of numbers. Ready for huge savings? Well, mark your calendars from November 28 to 30th, because the Liddle Newbridge Warehouse sale is back.

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All this together indicates a highly energetic picture of enforcement, but the government acknowledged its insufficient preparedness. An official statement said that during the Kiev program, the measures to restrain the crowds were not taken with sufficient timeliness and energy. In a report to His Majesty in June 1881, the director of the police department, V.K. Plyev, named the facts that court-martial treated the accused extremely leniently and in general dealt with. with the matter quite superficially as one of the reasons for the development and insufficiently quick suppression of the disorders. Alexander III made a note in the report. This is inexcusable. But forthright and later it did not end without accusations that the pogroms were arranged by the government itself, a completely unsubstantiated accusation, much less absurd, since in April 1881, the same liberal reformer Loris Melikoff headed the government,

and all of his people were in power in the upper administration. After 1917, a group of researchers, S. Dubnov, G. Krasny, Admani, and S. Lozinski, thoroughly searched for proof in all of open government archives and only found the opposite, beginning with the fact that Alexander III himself demanded an energetic investigation. but to utterly ruin Tsar Alexander III's reputation, and nameless, someone invented the malicious slander that the Tsar, unknown to anyone when and under what circumstances, said, and I admit that I

myself am happy when they beat the Jews. And this was accepted and printed in Emigre liberation brochures. It went into liberal folklore, and even until now, after a hundred years, it has turned up in publications as historically reliable. And even in the short Jewish encyclopedia, the authorities acted in close contact with the arrivals, that is, with outsiders. And it was clear to Tolstoy in Yasnaya, Poliana, that it was obvious. All matters were in the hands of the authorities. If they wanted one, they could bring on a pogrom. If they didn't want one, there would be no program. As a matter of fact, not only was there no incitement on the part of the government, but as Gessen points out, the rise of numerous pogrom brigades in a short time in a vast

area and the very character of their actions eliminates the thought of the presence of a single organizational center. I think that the way that leftist revolutionaries operate, they would love you to believe that their movement, whether it be in, you know, France or in Russia, a generation later, that their movements were purely spontaneous, the people, whatever, whoever that refers to, rose up against an illegitimate and unjust government. The programs, however, even by Jewish, their own mentality, early on, their own writing early on was that these were spontaneous, but that couldn't last for them. They, if it was spontaneous and there had to have been some rationality behind it.

So eventually, and Tolstoy, who called himself Jewish in many places, by the way, I've dealt with this in papers elsewhere. We're talking about the famous or infamous, Leo Tostoy who was well known later on

in the West. Talking like this, he did a lot of damage to the reputation of the monarchy. Alexander III always been my favorite, more modern monarch, and they simply invented stories about him, but given what Johnson's law is, who's going to know any different? If someone reads a book in Russian history, Alexander III, loved to beat Jews because he was a right-wing

monarch. Well, who's going to deny it? There's very few people in American academia that, you know, had the wherewithal to say otherwise because of people like Tolstoy. And of course, it's utter nonsense. The big issue here is that the Russian government had no desire for any kind of instability in a part of the world where they were in huge competition with the British. The connection between the British Empire and the Jews were very close, and that's just one of the connections between Jewish revolutionaries and the center of anti-Russian revolutionary thinking, which was London. And of course, the obsession was to make sure that Germany and Russia never become close allies. That was the, I mean, when I say obsession, especially when these, those two powers began

growing so fast, so quickly in terms of, you know, intellect and industry and finance, both under tight state control and a centralized monarchy, the British had to make sure that they were enemies, the Jews were a part of that as well. But the Russian monarchies. the last thing that they could afford in an environment like this is to have this kind of instability in their biggest money-making areas. That is to say, the western and southwestern part of the empire. The only interest that it served was the British and the British Empire, which was very Judaic at the time. Its press was going on and on, quoting people like Tolstoy saying that the government created these programs and the government. and the government hates Jews for no good reason, and their savages and their barbarians,

and that began with the Crimean War. Now, what, a generation later, it's now become a normal statement, a normal part of the Western, especially the British elite way of thinking. And here is another contemporary living testimony from a pretty much unexpected quarter from the Black repartitions workers leaflet, that is, a proclamation to the people in June 1881. The revolutionary leaflet thus described the picture. Not only all the governors, but all other officials, police, troops, priests, Zemstow elected district councils, and journalists stood up for the Kulak Jews.

The government protects the people, the person and property of the Jews. Threats are announced by the governors that the perpetrators of the riots will be dealt with according to the full extent of the law. The police looked for people who were in the crowd. arrested them, dragged them into police stations. Soldiers and Cossacks used a rifle butt and the whip. They beat the people with rifles and whips. Some were prosecuted and locked up in jail and sent to do hard labor and others were thrashed with birches on the spot by the police. Now let me let me stop you here because this is very important and I've quoted this many times

in papers in the past. If you are honestly a leftist who believes in some version of equality, equality for peasants, workers, however you want to state it, then your enemy, it seems to me, would be this very wealthy, very powerful Jewish elite, right? That would make sense. But of course, that was never the case. If anything, the left revolutionaries talking about equality avoided the fact that so much money, so much inequality came at the cause was this Jewish elite. to have a tremendous amount of wealth.

So early on, very early on, this black reparation, whatever it was called, I honestly believed in some kind of equality, therefore they were anti-Jewish. So the way that they interpreted the pogrom, unlike the leftists of later on, was a spontaneous assault of the poor against the wealthy.

Well, the wealthy were overwhelmingly Jewish, therefore it makes sense. The Jews had to put a stop to that very quickly. They had to take over the revolutionary movement. So precisely so, this kind of mentality doesn't get out. You had plenty of leftists who realized, wait a minute, the Jews are an incredibly privileged group of people. If we believe in equality, then they have to be harmed. They have to have their wealth taken from them.

The fact that that didn't, that was the very opposite was protected Jewish wealth. The left from then on protected Jewish wealth. refused to even tolerate any talk about Jewish power suggests that there's something else going on here. The left then became a function of Jewish power. Therefore, talking like this was completely out of the question. And that's how we know that the leftist movement, because it was heavily Judaic,

had nothing to do with equality, had nothing to do with inequalities of wealth or anything else. It had to do with maintaining Jewish power at the expense of the Gentiles. That's why Solzhenitsyn mentions this black repartitioned workers leaflet. Next year in the spring of 1881, pogroms renewed, but already not in the same numbers and not in the same scale as in the previous year. The Jews of the city of the city of Balta experienced a particularly heavy pogrom. Riots also occurred in the Baltzky-Yust and still in a few others.

However, according to the number of incidents, and according to their character, the riots of 1882 were significantly inferior to the movement of 1881. The destruction of the property of the Jews was not so frequent a phenomenon. The pre-revolutionary Jewish Encyclopedia reports that at the time of the pogrom in Balta, one Jew was killed. A famous Jewish contemporary wrote, In the pogroms of the 1880s, they robbed unlucky Jews and they beat them, but they did not kill them. According to other sources, six to seven deaths were recorded. At the time of the 1880s, 1890s, no one remembered mass killings and rapes.

However, more than a half century passed and many publicists not having the need to delve into the ancient Russian facts, but then having an extensive and credulous audience now began to write about massive and premeditated atrocities. For example, we read in Max Raisin's frequently published book that the pogroms of 1881, led to the rape of women, the rape of women, murder, and maiming of thousands of men, women, and children. It was later revealed that these riots were inspired and thought only out by the very government, which had incited the pogromists and hindered the Jews in their self-defense. Now, to be fair, you don't have, I mean, you do have a legitimate debate over this in academia. However, as far as your typical educated norming is concerned, this is exactly how they're told, how every university student is told, how these programs went down, the cause of them who created it, that somehow children were murdered and raped for no obvious reason, and not just Jewish authors either, either, as we know, although they're the dominant researchers in this area, but how the government created it, the government organized,

it and of course they don't engage in any actual research in the topic it just goes to show how deeply Jewish power has reached into the academy and into the left and of course they will strictly

talk about ethnic and religious concerns, never economic ones because the whole economic matter, unless you're talking about jealousy, would mean that there's a class basis to this but the entire class analysis was heavily Jewish and therefore they couldn't talk about how powerful the Jews were in this part of the world. So the entire thing eventually

just became the victimhood Olympics here, trying to figure out how irrational can we paint the Gentiles and how noble and long-suffering can we paint the Jews and never give any context any of this stuff. Ejeeb. Schlossburg, so rationally familiar with the workings of the Russian state apparatus, suddenly declared out of country in 1933 that the pogroms of 1881 originated not from below, but from above with Minister Ignatiev, who at that time was still not minister. The old man's memory failed him. And there was no doubt that threads of the work of the pogrom could be found in the Department of Police.

Thus, the experienced jurist afforded himself dangerous and ugly groundlessness. And yes, here in a serious present-day Jewish journal from a modern Jewish author, we find that, contrary to all the facts and without bringing in new documents, that in Odessa in 1881, a three-day pogrom took place, and that in the Balta program there was direct participation of soldiers and police. 40 Jews were killed and seriously wounded, 170 lightly wounded. We just read in the old Jewish encyclopedia in Balta, one Jew was killed and wounded several. But in the new Jewish encyclopedia, after a century from the events,

we read in Balta, soldiers joined the pogromists, several Jews were killed, hundreds wounded, many women were raped. Pogroms are too savage and horrible, a form of reprisal, for one to so lightly manipulate casualty figures. There, splattered-based, is it necessary to begin excavations again? You know, it's important that the more powerful Jews became,

the more severe these programs were depicted. Because the Bolshevik Revolution was so massively Jewish, especially in that first generation, Jewish writers then had to go back in time and rewrite history so as to make the Tsars as irrationally anti-Semitic as humanly possible.

And that would be because in case anyone notices how Jewish the Bolsheviks are, they could say like, you know, like idiots today, I went to Hamburg from Notre Dame, for example, is one of them who says, well, the only reason that Jews were involved

in Bolshevism was because of official anti-Semitism to back that argument to support that argument, they have to then go back and recreate and rewrite history such that this was not a spontaneous revolution, only leftists or spontaneous, but this came from the top.

Never really giving a good reason, but this came from, not from a spontaneous movement below, but from the monarchy itself. And because of the nature of the early Bolshevik revolution, as the years went by, the more brutal these programs had to become, the more anti-Jewish, the Tsars had to be depicted. The causes of those first programs were persistently examined and discussed by contemporaries.

As early as 1872 after the Odessa program, the general governor of the Southwestern Kray warned their report that similar events could happen in his Kray also, for here the hatred and hostility toward Jews has an historical basis, and only the material dependence of the peasants upon Jews. together with the measures of the administration currently holds back an indignant explosion of the Russian population against the Jewish tribe. The general governor reduced the essence of the matter to economics as he reckoned and evaluated the business and manufacturing property in Jewish hands in the southwestern cray, and pointed to the fact that, being increasingly engaged in the rents of landed estates, the Jews have re-rented and shifted this land to the peasants on very difficult terms. terms, and such a causation received wide recognition in 1881, which was full of pogroms.

In the spring of 1881, Loris Melikoff also reported to his majesty, the deep hatred of the local population toward the Jews who enslave it lies at the foundation of the present disorders, but ill-intentioned people have undoubtedly exploited this opportunity. and thus explain newspapers of the time. Examining the causes which provoked the pogroms, only a few organs of the periodical press referred to the tribal and religious hatred. The rest think that the pogrom movement arose on economic grounds. In doing so, some see a protest in the unruly behavior is directed specifically against the Jews

in light of their economic dominance over the Russian population. Yet others maintain that the mass of the people in general squeezed economically, looked for someone to vent their anger out on, and the Jews fit this purpose because they're having little rights. A contemporary of these programs, the cited educator V. Portugalov also said, in the Jewish programs of the 1880s,

I saw an expression of protest by the presence and the urban poor against social injustice. What's happening here is that the farther you go back, further you go back in history to the very day of these programs, the writing there is very rational. It's only later on

as a decades went by that you get less and less rational, less and less connected to actual facts for the reasons we've already talked about. But we all know that if this were any other group of people who had this level of economic power against the lower classes,

especially if they were different ethnically and religiously, in any other country, there were any other combination of people other than Jews against Gentiles, these pogroms would be considered spontaneous movements for justice, would be considered legitimate, praiseworthy, because they talk about it and everything from the French Revolution on down. Any of these that wouldn't call them pogroms, of course, that's specifically a Jewish matter. Jacques-Rae, I guess, would be the proper phrase,

that whenever Jews are not involved and there's a class basis these kind of spontaneous attacks are considered perfectly legitimate but the minute you add Jews to it now it becomes insane and they're just irrational anti-Semites therefore the fact that this has Jews

at the top and as a dominant entity changes everything and it comes down to what we call special pleading or you know cognitive dissonance We can't say what we would say if it were anyone else because they're Jews.

We have to suppress what we normally would say and come up with a whole story, which, as we all know, was nonsense today. Ten years later, why I guess and emphasize that the Jewish population of the southern Gubernius, in general, was able to find sources of livelihood among the Jewish capitalists, while the local peasantry went through extremely difficult times, as it did not have enough land to which the wealthy Jews contributed in part by re-renting the landowner's lands and raising the rental fee beyond the ability of the peasants. Let us not leave out still another witness known for his impartiality and thoughtfulness, whom no one accused of being reactionary or of anti-Semitism, Gleb Upinisky.

At the beginning of the 1980s, he wrote, The Jews were beaten up, namely because they amassed a fortune on other people's needs, other people's work and did not make bread with their own hands. Under canes and lashes, you see, the people endured the rule of the Tatar and the German, but when the Yid began to harass the people for a ruble, they did not take it. And this is a key factor. You still had people who honestly believed in some kind of equality. Therefore, they were not going to make special exceptions for the Jews.

and it's because this was an inherently hostile minority. It's not just a matter that they had economic power over everybody, and they did, including other Jews in many cases. It's not just that. It's just that they hated the group of people who they ruled. So it wasn't just to exploit them economically. It was to destroy their mentality. We talked about the taverns with alcohol and prostitution later on things like pornography. the left had nothing to do with economics.

They claimed it was, but the minute the Jew got involved, the minute the Jew was the dominant entity, they either would deny it or just refused to even talk about it. So, and that's at the basis here. You had plenty of liberal people saying, yeah, this revolt makes sense. The Jews, and now because the state came down in the, favor of the Jews and against the pogromous, in reality, the Jews now figured they could do whatever they want because the state was going to, just in the interest of not having unrest,

the state was going to come down on their side. So now we can get even more obnoxious. Any other group of people would realize that if they push too hard, they're going to suffer badly. The Jews didn't have that mentality. So there's a whole psychological element to this that other class problems and other parts of the world don't have. And that's because the Jew was involved, which changes everything. But we should note that when soon after the pogroms, a deputation of prominent Jews from the capital headed by Baron G. Ginsburg came to Alexander III at the beginning of May 1881, His Majesty confidently estimated that in the criminal disorders in the south of Russia, the Jews served only as a pretext, that this business was the hand.

of the anarchists. What were they? And in those same days, the brother of the czar, the Grand Prince Vladimir Alexandrovich, announced to the same Ginsburg that the disorders, as is now known as is now known by the government, have their sources not exclusively agitation against the Jews, but an aspiration to the work of sedition in general. And the general governor of the Southwestern Kray also reported that the general excited condition of the population is the responsibility of propagandists. And in this, the authorities turned out to be well-informed. Such quick statements from them reveal that the authorities did not waste time in the investigation, but because of the usual misunderstanding of the Russian administration at the time and its

incomprehension of the role of publicity, they did not report the results of the investigation to the public. Slithsberg blames that. on the central authority and that it did not even make attempts to vindicate itself of accusations of permitting the pogroms. True, but after all, it accused the government, as we saw, of deliberate instigation and guidance of the pogroms. It is absurd to think to start with proof that you are not a criminal. Let's be clear. One of the most important things to understand is that the concept of propaganda, right, the way that we normally use and define the term, is a leftist invention, very closely connected with the Jewish mentality, the whole Machiavellian idea that it's not just a matter of military force or winning a war, it's also manipulating people mentally.

And monarchies at the time didn't understand that. They didn't think in Machiavellian terms. That's why you had right-wing organizations at the time, like the Union of the Russian people, who were very large. but they were always going to lose the white armies during the Civil War they had no chance because they had no connection among many other problems they had no connection with propaganda they didn't understand it

they didn't know how to use it they didn't know and they had you know they had the support in many cases they had the money but they didn't know how to put it to good use they didn't know how to defend their system to the general population it just they didn't think in those terms we think in terms of campaigns, elections, voting, putting out a candidacy, a message, an image.

We think of that as a matter of course, but that's so vulgar at the time. That's what the ignorant do. That's what, you know, we don't do things like that. Monarchy exists, so we don't have to do things like that. But the Jews and the left in general impose this on them. The right was very slow in understanding what propaganda was. and they really, to this day, I don't think I've learned their lesson. Yet not everyone wanted to believe that the incitements came from the revolutionaries.

Here a Jewish memoirist from Minx recalls, for Jews, Alexander III was not a liberator. He did not do away with the Jewish palest settlement, and although the Jews sincerely mourned his death, let me say, I meant Alexander II. Alexander II was not a liberator. He did not do away with the Jewish palest settlement. and although the Jews sincerely mourned his death, they did not say a single bad word against the revolutionaries. They spoke with respect about them, that they were driven by heroism and purity of thought. And during the spring and summer pogroms of 1881, they did not in any way believe

that the socialists incited toward them. It was all because of the new czar and his government. Quoting, the government wished for the pogroms. It had to have a scapegoat. And now when reliable witnesses from the South later indeed confirmed that the socialists engineered them, they continued to believe that it was the fault of the government. However, toward the start of the 20th century, thorough authors admitted in the press there is information about the participation of separate members of the party, Nerodnia-Volya people's will in the pogroms. But the extent of this participation is still not clear. Judging by the party organs, members of the party considered the pogroms as a sort of revolutionary activity, suggesting that the

pogroms were training the people for revolutionary action, that the action was easiest of all to direct against the Jews now could, in its further development, come down on the nobles and officials. Accordingly, proclamations calling for an attack on the Jews were prepared. Today, it is only superficially talked about like something generally known. Quoting, the active propaganda of the Nerodnics, both members of the Neurodnians, both members of the Naradne, Volia, and the black repartition, was prepared to stir rebellion to any fertile soil, including anti-Semitism. From education, Kachev impressionable predecessor of Lenin and conspiratorial tactics,

welcomed the broadening pogrom movement. Indeed, the Neurodivoski and the weaker, that word, I'm not going to to try to, members of the black repartation, could not wait much longer after the murder of the czar, which did not cause instantaneous mass revolution, which had been predicted and expected by them. With such a state of general bewilderment of minds after the murder of the czar liberator, only a slight push was needed for the reeling minds to re-inclined into any direction. Yeah, I think, why don't we stop here? It's been an hour, and we're at a point where the concept has,

has developed, and I think you see this in freemasonry at the time, and maybe a few generations before that, monarchies rely on justice and legality, natural law in particular, not necessarily law on a piece of paper. Therefore, given the time period, any chaos was good. Any violence was a positive thing. we see even in our own society that the old society had to be attacked by releasing the passions, like the sexual revolution, for example.

But the minute that old society is gone, the left now has to impose itself on the society with even greater force than had occurred in the past. Yeah, chaos is great when you're pushing the old society out of the way. but the left still wants to rule and control people. So that chaos eventually has to be led, controlled, and this is what purges were. Every revolutionary movement had purges, every revolutionary movement that ever took over all over the world had a civil war after it among factions

that didn't like the old society because now chaos was a bad thing. Now that the old society has gone, the chaos that we employed to get rid of it, now we have to rule now. Therefore, the chaos has to be destroyed or at least directed in such a way that we can now use it and manipulate it and institutionalize it, which is what Trotsky's whole thing was, you know, the permanent revolution. The chaos has to always exist, but we have to control it. There's certain things, there's certain parameters that we can't go beyond our ideological parameters.

But once in a while, unleashing the forces of chaos is a very solid psychological, um, psychological, um, foundation for us to continue our rule. And that's what he's talking about here. You know, of course, this was a leftist revolutionary movement. But given who was ruling at the time, any chaos, anything that would bring people to question the world around them in any direction was a good thing. And when those parameters fell apart, then the left can, using its numbers, it's, I should really shouldn't say numbers. It's money, it's propaganda, its support from the

from the West, and all of that to now impose its will on the society. And that's exactly what the Bolshevik revolution eventually was because the chaos had been unleashed. Now it had to stop. And that's what the Russian Civil War was to put a stop to the chaos and then impose our will on it. And then, of course, purges from there on in to make sure that it doesn't burst its bombs yet again. So chaos is usable, but only up to a point. And that's what that's the point of what Cholzhenit is talking about here. Chaos, violence, this kind of anarchistic way of thinking that's okay, but so long as it's used against our enemies, it can never be used against us. Yeah, it's one of the reasons why people like the Polish scholar,

Rizard Lagutko, so easily shows how liberalism and this this line of thinking intersects, because, you know, the perpetual revolution, in liberalism, you're never going to have a foundation. It's always moving towards something better, something that you're never going to see. So you're, you have, I was going to say your foundation is on sand, but you don't even have a foundation. Yeah. You're just constantly moving, and whoever gets control of that mechanism can make it go any way they want. and it just and the genius of it is that the propaganda around it is that you're free. You can do whatever you want.

You're free to say whatever you want. You can criticize it whenever you want. And yeah, we just know that it's all bull. It's the same thing in a different rapper. It's genius, but it's diabolically genius. All right. I want to remind everybody in the show notes everywhere, you will see links to supporting Dr. Johnson's,

work. So please do that. And we'll be back for episode 19 in a few days. Talk to you soon, my friend. Yes, sir. Thank you. Bye.