The Pete Quiñones Show - Reading Solzhenitsyn's '200 Years Together' w/ Dr. Matthew Raphael Johnson - Part 2

Episode Date: January 11, 2025

50 MinutesPG-13Dr. Matthew Raphael Johnson is a researcher, writer, and former professor of history and political science, specializing in Russian history and political ideology.Pete and Dr. Johnson c...ontinue a project in which Pete reads Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's '200 Years Together," and Dr' Johnson provides commentary.Dr Johnson's PatreonRusJournal.orgTHE ORTHODOX NATIONALISTDr. Johnson's Radio Albion PageDr. Johnson's Books on AmazonPete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's SubstackPete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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Starting point is 00:03:24 Thank you. I want to welcome everyone back to the Picanuano show. It is episode two with Dr. Matthew Raphael Johnson, reading 200 years together by Alexander Solzhenycin. How are you doing today, Dr. Johnson? Well, I have two dogs, both at the vet, for totally different things. But other than that, for once, I'm in a very good move. That's good to hear. I'm sorry about the dogs. Whenever our furry friends are hurting or need help that is.
Starting point is 00:04:01 it's distressing. It can be definitely take our minds off of things. I'll try. All right. Let's jump right in from where we left off. The header here says, you're in. No, you're out. Okay, you're in. Judging by its stable manner of life, it was in neighboring Poland that the biggest Jewish community emerged, expanded and became strong from the 13th to 18th century. It formed the basis of the future Russian Jewry, which became the most important part of world Jewry until the 20th century. Starting in the 16th century, a significant number of Polish and Czech Jews emigrated into the Ukraine, white Russia and Lithuania. In the 15th century, Jewish merchants traveled still unhindered from the Polish-Lithuanian kingdom to Moscow.
Starting point is 00:04:53 out. But that changed under Ivan the 4th, Ivan the terrible. Jewish merchants were forbidden entry. When in 1550, the Polish king, Sissigmund August, desired to permit them free entry into Russia, this was denied by Ivan with these words, quoting, we absolutely do not permit the entry of the Jew into my lands, because we do not wish to see evil in our lands, but rather may God, grant that the people in my land may have rest from that irritation. And you, our brother, should not write us on account of the Jews again, for they had alienated the Russians from Christianity, brought poisonous plants into our lands, and done much evil to our
Starting point is 00:05:41 lands. According to a legend, Ivan IV, the terrible, upon the annexation of Politzk in 1563, ordered all Jews to be baptized in response to complaints of Russian, residents against evil things and bullying by Jews, leisers, and other empowered by Polish magnates. Those that refused, apparently about 300 persons, are supposed to have been drowned in his presence in the Vina. But careful historians as E.J. as J.I. Gessen do not confirm this version, even in moderated form, and do not mention it once. Well, you know, we've spoken about this topic concerning the connection of the Polish nobility, which was an oligarchy.
Starting point is 00:06:32 In a period of time, we're talking about, and the Jews, this is the cause of the Cossack uprisings. It helped create Ukrainian identity. It's, while profitable, this deal, essentially the Jews were brought in to take care of the financial concerns of the elite, excuse me. So, and this is the, you know, the tax farming, the lease holding system in order to keep the king toothless. The monarch really didn't have much power in Poland. And of course, the Orthodox Church was often either banned or worse than that, even in Ukraine.
Starting point is 00:07:21 And the Cossacks presented themselves as the guardians of orthodoxy and this kind of a communitarian idea. Polish nobles really became quite indolent because most of their work, financially speaking, was done by these Jews, while the noble oligarchy maintained political control over the country, they had lost economic control over the country. Now, as far as a quote from Ivan the Terrible, assuming that's genuine, and I think it is, or at least in some version,
Starting point is 00:08:05 he's referring to the Judaizers that we talked about last time. It's not like he didn't have experience with Jews, not nearly like the Poles or Ukrainians did, but he's talking about the Judaizer issue that we've dealt with before. This is the poison that he's talking about. No doubt he knew at least to some extent what the Jewish mentality was. He knew what was going on in Poland. He was extremely literate. And so that's what he's referring to.
Starting point is 00:08:37 Now financial stuff, that came a little bit later as far as the Russians are concerned. but even in border areas he was aware of what was happening and it's part of the reason that the regime created these when going way back these myths about him being this awful ruler and he was nothing of the kind even the word terrible had a different meaning back then than it does now grosney is a Russian word it means awesome it means awe-inspiring even the older English translation of or uses of that word is very different from what it is today. Ivan IV was a great ruler and a great man, but that's a topic for a separate occasion.
Starting point is 00:09:26 Okay. Onward. Instead of that, Gessen writes that under the false Dmitri I first, 1505-06, both Jews and other foreigners in relatively large number, were baptized in Moscow. The story goes according to in the time of troubles by Sergei Ivanov regarding the 15-year period 1598 to 1613 of confusion following the failed
Starting point is 00:09:53 Rurik dynasty that the false Dimitri II the thief of Tushino was born a Jew. The sources give contradictory information regarding the ancestry of the thief of Tuchino. So Shoniesin relates that after the, there's a note in here by the translator, So Sotiannesean relates that after the times of troubles, Jews like Polish-Lithuanian folk in general had restricted rights in Russia.
Starting point is 00:10:20 There was prohibition of peddling in Moscow or to travel beyond Moscow at all, but ordinances were contradictory. Mikhail Fyodorovich, Michael, son of Theodore, 1613, became first Romanov, chosen as Tsar did not pursue a principal policy against Jews. Alexis Mikhailovich, Alex, son of Michael, Tsar 1645, no sign of discriminating against Jews in the law book, free access granted to all cities, including Moscow, during the seizure of Lithuania as well as later wars, treatment of Jews in captivity was not worse than other foreigners.
Starting point is 00:11:03 Yeah, he's skipping over a lot of this because it's not really... the number of Jews within the Russian Empire at the time was fairly small. They were concentrated in Poland, Lithuania. Now, the false Demetrius that you mentioned, I don't know if we've dealt with that or not, but it's a very strange phenomenon because the revolt against Boris Gudnov, whose death signaled the beginning of the time of troubles, Ivan the Terrible did have,
Starting point is 00:11:37 He was married several times. Sources are very iffy as to how many. But his, you know, the very last, the youngest son of Ivan the Terrible was Dimitri of Uglick. And sources generally say that he, as a young kid, was playing with something he shouldn't have, and he bled to death, the knife or something like that.
Starting point is 00:12:06 But very quickly, the enemies of Boris Goodenov claimed that because Dimitri was a threat to him, he had him murdered. Now, the false Dmitri story is that the person, well, he was claiming to be
Starting point is 00:12:22 Dimitri, but the false Dmitri won, which was by far the most important one because he actually took over. The story goes is that he escaped assassination, someone else, was killed in his place, ran to Poland, actually Lithuania and then Poland, converted to Catholicism
Starting point is 00:12:43 to gain the support of the, at least the support of the Jesuits there, raised a private army of maybe 3,500, clearly he had some charisma, there's even an argument that he really was someone who was born into the royal family, and led a very small invasion of Russia, but because people were accusing Boris of some terrible things, including murdering this kid, which is probably not true, he ended up having a substantial following. And once Boris Good Enough died in the middle of this,
Starting point is 00:13:23 the oligarchy in Moscow, who had been always under the thumb of the state, much as humanly possible, that was Ivan the Terrible's whole thing, was able to come. come into power again and used him as their as their instrument. His behavior in Moscow when he did take over
Starting point is 00:13:40 was pretty bad. And he eventually was murdered by this same oligarchy. And so it's a very interesting phenomenon. I have to this is a very, I didn't do a justice here, but because he had the backing to some
Starting point is 00:13:58 extent of the Polish state, that was probably the only time that you had a direct connection with the, you know, Jewish run Poland. Yeah, the born-a-jew thing, I've heard that a hundred times. The translator is right here saying that this is very, you know, contradictory. It's difficult to get accurate information. But bringing foreigners in to run the place like Peter would do later,
Starting point is 00:14:26 the only time that occurred at this point was under these, under false Dmitri. The second one didn't really take over. But Dmitri, the first did. he's not considered a legitimate czar at all but he did take power so he may have brought some Jews with him he brought a lot of foreigners there and given the nature of Polish society
Starting point is 00:14:46 at the time this may be the first kind of concentrated experience that the average Russian noble had had with the Jews and then the others after the time of trouble was over Mikhail and Alexis it wasn't
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Starting point is 00:16:31 to win-he. It's a lot of doing to do you have to be able to go ahead of lecturers on the screthe, all the town of all the people tariff in the pasty. There's era of cooctuagin. Full of nis more in Ergird Ponga he. After the Treaty of Androsovo,
Starting point is 00:16:48 16 and 67, in which Smolensk, Svalensk, Kiev, and the whole eastern bank of the Neepa River remained Russian. Jews were invited to stay, and many did. Some converted to Christianity, and some of these, became heads of noble families. A small number of baptized migrated to a Cossack village on the dawn and a dozen Cossack families descended from them. Samuel Collins and Englishmen residing in Moscow at the time related that in a short time the Jews have, in a remarkable way,
Starting point is 00:17:19 spread through the city and court, helped by the mediation of a Jewish surgeon. Now, that small section backs up kind of what I said about the false demetries. The Treaty of Androsovo was a terrible as far as much of Ukraine yeah those three cities or those two cities became Russian but the others the right bank was Polish all of the
Starting point is 00:17:46 gains of the Cossack Orthodox uprisings were nullified and Poland imposed serfdom on formally free people and because of now of this close connection, you did have an influx of Jews directly coming from this.
Starting point is 00:18:07 These baptisms, of course, probably weren't real, as Samuel Collins would say, but it doesn't take many of them to cause a lot of financial trouble. So Andrew Sovo was a way to completely disenfranchise the Cossacks, both from Moscow
Starting point is 00:18:24 and from Poland. And all of a sudden, the Jews start becoming more relevant in Russian politics. Theodore III, son of Alexis, Theodore 1676, Tsar, Jews not to be assessed toll on entry to Moscow because they are not allowed in, whether with or without wares, but the practice did not correspond to the theory. In the first year, Peter the Great, doors were open to talented foreigners, but not Jews
Starting point is 00:18:58 on account of there being rogues and deceivers. yet there is no evidence of limitations imposed on them nor special laws. Indeed, Jews were found close to the emperor, Vice-Chancellor Baron Peter Schofierf, close confidant Abram Velazovsky, later accused of thieving, his brother Isaac Velasovsky, Anton de Viera,
Starting point is 00:19:23 the general police master of Petersburg, Viviard, head of secret police, and others. to A. Velazette Velovsky. Veselofsky. It's going fine. Sorry. No problem.
Starting point is 00:19:38 Peter wrote that what matters is competence and decency, not baptism or circumcision. Sounds familiar, huh? Sounds like some people are making that, still making these same arguments today for mass immigration from cultures that. or the complete opposite of ours. Right. Yes. Peter the Great was a revolutionary. You know, I've written substantially on him. I'm working on a book on the topic.
Starting point is 00:20:11 He was a Freemason. He had no regard for human life, and he wanted to force modernity on Russia as much as humanly possible. So it's no shock that he brought, because he toured Europe, and assuming it was the same Peter that came back, who left is a whole theory about that too. Foreigners then were invited in
Starting point is 00:20:35 and of course that trickle became I mean the guy was raised in the German quarter of Moscow. Peter the Great had nothing but contempt for Russia and it's no shock to anybody that and I'm sure this this list of
Starting point is 00:20:51 Jews is only the beginning but the more modernized and monetized the Russian economy became the more Jews from Poland, Lithuania, were very interested in in immigrating. Don't forget, this period of time,
Starting point is 00:21:09 at least 80% of the world's Jews lived in the Polish Empire. It was the largest country in Europe at the time. Their obsession with the Talmud, their dominance over the peasantry, their total lack of, you know, they had no ethnic or religious connections
Starting point is 00:21:27 with the peasants who, lived on the lands that they oversaw. Serfdom was deepened. Yusri was normal. The peasants were repressed to the absolute bone. Uprising were constant. And Jewish Ushri does have a big role in this. They're always looking for new pastures,
Starting point is 00:21:49 especially after 1648 rebellion that we had a whole show on, not that long ago. So they shouldn't surprise anybody. And this was the first time now you have Jews in high places. And so what began with the Judaizers that we talked about in the past now was starting something far more serious and something more damaging to Russia. Because Peter was a Freemason, the 18th century was an extremely difficult time for Russia. You had very few legitimate czars or emperors except for Elizabeth. And the Masons literally ran the country under Byron, Lord Byron, under the two anas,
Starting point is 00:22:35 which he'll mention here in a little bit, after the so-called Catherine I. And the country was absolutely great. So this was a brutal time in Russian history. And this is the outcome of the Petrine Revolution. Jewish houses in Germany inquired whether Russia would guarantee their commerce with Persia but never received it. At start of the 18th century there was increased Jewish trade activity in little Russia, Ukraine, a year before Russian merchants got the right. Hetman, a Ukrainian chief, Skorapodzky, gave order several times for their expulsion, but this was not obeyed
Starting point is 00:23:20 and Jewish presence actually increased. Catherine I, 1724 Zarina, decreed removal of Jews from Ukraine and Russian cities, but only lasted one year. Let me stop the second. Catherine, Catherine the first, I have a better claim to be as honor of Russia than Catherine did. Peter got bored with his wife, Udoxia, and on campaign in Central Europe met this, I don't know if she was a prostitute or what, and she got passed around, you know, and he kind of married her, despite there was.
Starting point is 00:23:59 nothing wrong with his wife. And eventually she died of venereal disease and throsis of the liver. She was a complete alcoholic. She had no power. I don't think she knew where she was most of the time. She didn't decree
Starting point is 00:24:15 anything. It was an oligarchy that had grown under Peter. Now the Capitol, of course, has been moved to St. Petersburg by this time. So it was someone in that circle that decreed this. And the same thing goes for the anas that you see coming up here.
Starting point is 00:24:33 They had very little power. They tried on a lot of clothes. I think that was their big thing. And there were two of them. So that means that there was an oligarchy, people like Menshikov and others, ran the country because of their position, you know, charging rents and all of this. And of course, this was very interesting to Jews. And the only time anything was done about it was under the Empress Elizabeth,
Starting point is 00:24:57 who, in my opinion, was the only real legitimate. legitimate czar of the almost entire 18th century. Okay, moving forward. Peter the second, Tsar 1727, permitted Jews into little Russia, first as temporary visits on the ground of their usefulness for trade, then more and more reasons found to make it permanent. Under Anna, 1730, Tsarina, this right was extended to Smolens and Slovotsky. In 1734, permission was given to distill brandy, and in 1736, it was permitted to import vodka
Starting point is 00:25:33 from Poland to Russia. Baltic financier Levi Lipman probably bailed out the future Zarina Anna financially while she was living in Corland. Later, he achieved a high rank in her court in financial administration and received various monopoly rights. So at this time, the person who was running, the right? Russian Empire was Lord Byron, Johann Byron, who was a high-level German Freemason. Of course, he didn't officially have the title, who despised Russia and Russians and just simply raped the place
Starting point is 00:26:10 for his own pleasure as much as humanly possible. The fact that the Jews, being given the fact that he was a Mason, that Jews came in, and for very powerful ones, not just in Coorland, the Coorland issue, but people like Lipman and many like him were, of course, achieving high rank. And you see how slowly this is going on, how gradually, you know, oh, it's okay if we allow them to bring vodka in, despite the fact that it was destroying Poland. And this was one of the ways that resentment against the Jews,
Starting point is 00:26:54 because they had a total monopoly at this point, of distilling alcohol. The nobles weren't even allowed to do it. This went strictly to the Jews as a huge source of income. So this was just empowering the Jews in Poland. So slowly but surely, here, you know, 1830s, 20s, 30s, maybe in the early 4th, you have the slow trickling in of very powerful Jews who, until Elizabeth,
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Starting point is 00:29:13 Okay. Do you know how to pronounce the word? Is this U-Kase? Yeah. The Empire.
Starting point is 00:29:19 Ocas? Okay. All right. Onward. Elizabeth 1741 Zarina, however, issued a Ucas imperial Russian decree one year after taking the throne, December 1742. Quote, Jews are forbidden to live anywhere in our realm.
Starting point is 00:29:37 Now it has been made known to us that these Jews still find themselves in our realm, and under various pretexts, especially in little Russia, Ukraine, they prolong their stay, which is in no way beneficial. But as we must expect, only great injuries to our loyal subjects from such haters of the name of our Lord, of our Savior Jesus Christ, we order all Jews, male and female, along with their entire possession, to be sent without delay from our realm over the border and in the future not allowed back in unless it should be that one of them should confess our Greek Christian religion. At this point, the state in St. Petersburg before she took over in 1741,
Starting point is 00:30:22 And she's Peter's daughter. The state has completely disintegrated. It was there, and it could be powerful, but the people who were running it had no right to be there whatsoever. Elizabeth was explicitly a Russian nationalist, and she realized that this Treaty of Antutuvo, that somehow justified the Polish domination of Orthodox people in Western Ukraine, and Polish domination means Jewish.
Starting point is 00:30:52 domination, that this is leading to the beginning of this kind of colonization of the Russian Empire, despite the fact that there were very few Jews here at the time. It was a slow trickle, but even she, or she should be congratulated for understanding this so early. There's a reason that she did this. And when she said this, this is what less than a year after she took over, she was saying that the Masonic tyranny is over. And I had to completely reform this state administration from the ground up. That was ruined by Catherine Second. But that's, again, that's a separate issue.
Starting point is 00:31:37 So this is a big deal in Russian history. And it shouldn't surprise anyone that it comes from Elizabeth, the only bright spot in the Russian 18th century. This was the same religious intolerance. that shook Europe for centuries. The way of thinking of that time was not unique in any special Russian way, nor was it an exclusively Jew hostile attitude. Among Christians, a religious intolerance was not practiced with any less cruelty.
Starting point is 00:32:08 Thus, the old believers, men of the same Orthodox faith, were persecuted with fire and sword. This U-case of Elizabeth was made known throughout the realm, but immediately attempts were made to remove the ruler to relent. The military chancellor reported to the Senate from Ukraine that already 140 people were evicted, but that the prohibition for Jews to bring goods in would lead to a reduction in state income. The Senate reported to the Tsarina that trade had suffered great damage in little Russia as well as the Baltic provinces by the U-Kays of the previous year to not allow Jews into the realm,
Starting point is 00:32:50 and also the state births would suffer by the reduction of income from tolls. The Tsarina answered with the resolution, I desire no profit from the enemies of Christ. The Senate was a Peter's creation. It essentially was the oligarchs of the realm were appointed there, and they already had contacts over the border. And you see how they're trying to address her. We're going to lose money.
Starting point is 00:33:19 You have to let them in. You have to keep them here. We're going to lose money otherwise. They were trying to do exactly what the Polish nobles were doing. And I have the feeling she was aware of that. And their control over Western Ukraine, you know, they're coming over the border into Russian Ukraine after the Treaty of Andrew Sovo. And as slowly monetized economy, these guys are losing money.
Starting point is 00:33:46 The oligarchs were losing money. It was a clear case of oligarchy in the West. one side and royalism or the common good on the other. And this is how they approached her, like she was in third grade, saying that we're all going to go broke. I mean, I'm sure they did lose profits. The state, not us, but the state is going to go broke if you enforce this. You catch them in the corner of your eye. Distinctive by design. They move you. Even before you Drive. The new Cooper plugin hybrid range. For Mentor, Leon and Terra Marr, now with flexible PCP finance and trade-in boosters of up to 2000 euro. Search Coopera and discover our latest offers. Coopera. Design
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Starting point is 00:35:48 arguments we hear today. You just, you know, you're not a, you're not a people, you're an economic zone. And if the economics go wrong, oh my God, we're going to, we have to have the proper economics. We need to keep the money flowing. Damn, damn the people and damn the culture. All right. Social Neson discusses contradictory sources as to the number of Jews that were actually evicted, ranging from almost none to 35,000. The latter figure having questionable origins. Strong resistance to the edict by Jews, land proprietors, and state apparatuses meant it was enforced almost as little as previous attempts had been. Catherine II, Zarina 162, in consequence of a coup and also being a neophyte to orthodoxy herself,
Starting point is 00:36:39 was unwilling to start her reign opening things up for Jews, though the Senate advised for it. Jews pressed for it and had spokesmen in Petersburg, Riga, and Ukraine. She found a way around her own law in permitting their entry for colonization into New Russia, area between Crimea and Moldova, which was still a wasteland, was organized secretly from Riga, and the nationality of the Jews was kept more or less secret. Jews went from Poland, Jews went there from Poland and Lithuania. Catherine II, as he says, took over in a coup. she had her husband Peter murdered
Starting point is 00:37:22 Catherine was barely spoke Russian and even later on she had a very heavy accent she was a lot like your typical 18th century monarch here Russia is backward you know and the only thing her peasants are good for is exploitation so once she murdered her husband
Starting point is 00:37:42 that was a pretty serious thing to do or she had others do it of course the same Senate that was trying to talk Elizabeth into Relenting approached Catherine Catherine desperately in need of money and allies went for this was the enlightened thing to do
Starting point is 00:38:03 this is a European thing to do the very fact that she had to keep it secret which when I read this the first time was news to me that their identity wasn't really talking talked about because there would be it would be the typical revolt as you had in in all over uh all over ukraine uh a century before and it says you know the next next section it's a note from the translators in the first partition of poland in 1772 russia took belarus along with a hundred
Starting point is 00:38:36 thousand jews so now poland is no longer a functional state uh mostly because of this issue Russia is taking pieces of it that used to be in Kiev and Rus. And in many cases, unaware that it had huge numbers of Jews that were Talmudic parasites. And this even gets into the mainstream literature. This isn't just people like us. The mainstream literature, you know, talks about Cossack rebellion, says their Jewish behavior was abominable. They really thought that the Messiah is coming, therefore, there has to be no, you know, this the paradise of the Jews. The Messiah is coming, so there's no restraint on our action. The fact
Starting point is 00:39:19 we control this country so intensely that this is the New Israel and the Messiah is going to arrive here. Well, instead of the Messiah, they got Bogdan Kim Monietzky, a line that I got from me, Michael Jones, which is perfect for this. So now Russia has a serious Jewish problem that came from its success, the same Jewish problem that brought the Polish society to absolute tyranny. And the fact that she had to keep it a secret always makes me smile. But that's when you have a foreign woman needing allies, needing money, needing support, the Senate already is making money over the border with these people or in connection
Starting point is 00:40:11 with these people. All of a sudden, what was the true? trickle, now becomes a flood. In the first partition of Poland, 1772, Russia reacquired white Russia, Belarus, along with her 100,000 Jews. After the 11th century, more and more Jews came into Poland because princes and later kings encouraged all active industrious people from Western Europe to settle there. Jews actually received special rights, 13th century from Belaslop the Pius, and 14th century from Kassimir, the great in 16th century from Sigismund and Stephen Bathony, though this sometimes alternated with
Starting point is 00:40:54 repression in the 15th century by Vadaslav Yagiajayao and Alexander son of Kossamir. There were two pogroms in Krakow. In 16th century, several ghettos were constructed partly to protect them. The Roman Catholic spirituals were the most continuous source of a hostile stance. Nevertheless, on balance, it must have been a favorable environment since in the first half of the 16th century, the Jewish population increased substantially. There was a big role for Jews in the business activity of landlords in that they became leasers of the brandy distilling operations. After the Tatar devastation, Kiev in the 14th century came under Lithuania and or Poland, and in this arrangement, more and more Jews wandered from Padodia and Volignia into the Ukraine in the regions of Kiev, Poltava, and Chernigov.
Starting point is 00:41:58 This process accelerated when a large part of Ukraine came directly under Poland in the Union of Lublin in 1569. The main population consisted of Orthodox peasants who for a long time had special rights and were free of tolls. Now began an intensive colonization of the Ukraine by the Polish Schlotza Polish nobility with conjoint action by the Jews. The Cossacks were forced into immobility and obligated to perform drudgery and pay taxes. The Catholic lords burden the Orthodox peasants with various taxes and service duties and in this exploitation, the Jews also partly played a sad role. They leased from the Lord, the propination, the right to distill vodka and
Starting point is 00:42:49 sell it, as well as other trades. Quoting, the Jewish leaders who represented the Polish lord received, of course, only to a certain degree, the power that the landholder had over the peasants, and since the Jewish leasers strove to ring from the peasants a maximum profit, the rage of the peasants rose not only against the Catholic landlords, but also against the Jewish leasers. When from this situation a bloody uprising of the Cossacks arose in 1648, under the leadership of Komonetsky, Jews as well as Poles were the victims. Ten thousand Jews died. The Jews were lord...
Starting point is 00:43:27 Let me summarize. You know what? Why don't do the next paragraph, and then I want to summarize the Polish issue. Go ahead. Sure. The Jews were lured in by the natural riches of the Ukraine and by Polish magnates that were colonizing the land and thus assumed an important economic role. Since they serve the interests of the landlords and the regime, the Jews brought on themselves the hatred of the residents.
Starting point is 00:43:56 N.I. Kostomato adds that the Jews leased not only various branches of privileged industries, but even the Orthodox churches, gaining the right to levy a fee for baptisms. Well, he mentions the population increase. And I know, because I've written on this for so long, between the beginning of this process, roughly 1350 to the first partition of Poland, the percentage increase in the Jewish population was 75 times. The Christian population only went up between four and five times. They were
Starting point is 00:44:37 expulsion from Western cities, 11th to the 16th century, led to this huge immigration. But you also saw a huge increase in wealth and monetization. And this is what led to the size, continuous expansion of Poland. This was the golden age of Polish Jews from 1,500 to 1648 until Kimmoyitzki. But as many have noted, this just papers over the tremendous tyranny internally.
Starting point is 00:45:14 The revolt of the Cossack. This was happening all the time, just 1648 was a, was a particularly big one. The Polish magnates had huge estates, like the size of, you know, Switzerland. And as time went on, thanks to Ushry, wealth was concentrated into fewer and fewer hands, and the Jews were in control,
Starting point is 00:45:36 although not necessarily direct ownership of it. It fueled a system of imperial rule. And you had this increasing, proletariat, you know, men who didn't own anything. And this was, you know, but it did matter because the elites were, to say the least, partners with these Jews. And Jews were able to maximize their, the nobles' incomes, and of course, as well as their own. They were the intermediaries. They were the managers of the elite's estates.
Starting point is 00:46:18 they were granted monopolies. And I mentioned before, the monopoly over the right to distill alcohol. And ultimately, this was used to gain the maximum benefit from the peasantry. So many of their economic fraud was done in a state of inebriation. Of course, they didn't drink at all. So that was 1633, actually. you know, the Polish elite were not engaged in commerce,
Starting point is 00:46:55 but they didn't know how or they didn't care. They handed the job of extracting incomes to the nation's Jews. And, of course, they would get a fee for every one of these short-term leases. This was the Urenda system. The organization of the Jews was in the Kahaal system. And this was a completely independent, fairly large body. There was a bunch of them all throughout the empire.
Starting point is 00:47:25 And they were completely closed off. They had zero connection with the peasantry. And there was no financial incentive. There was no ethnic incentive to create any kind of connection with the local population. The tax farmers have the support of the state. There's a few Polish writers that something like half. of the income, the large estates, was generated by tax farming, those leases which were granted to the Jews. They had no goodwill, and they didn't care.
Starting point is 00:48:01 The Jews were not a part of the community that they exploited. So the intense contempt of the Goyem, he was, you know, the levels of exploitation were extraordinary. And when the Jews took over the liquor business in 1633, they were able to manipulate the price of grain. because they were able to divert it to very profitable, you know, into stealing alcohol. And they promoted alcohol consumption. You didn't have an explosion of chronic drunkenness and alcoholism, which just led to more resentment against Jews. The whole point of this control was to find more and more weaknesses in the peasant population. The peasants were never stupid, but they do have weaknesses.
Starting point is 00:48:47 And, you know, a lot of Jewish historians, I've cited a, a great seer many times who talks about the Polish nobleman as someone who's completely disconnected from his own country. They were extravagant. They were always in debt almost childlike.
Starting point is 00:49:08 And they got this way because they had the Jews taking care of everything. He was not just a financier. He was the advisor. The migration to Poland brought with it capital. And that capital put it at disposal of the elite, and their estates expanded dramatically. This is the downfall of the polar system.
Starting point is 00:49:29 That's how it got so huge. And it was a weird situation because you had the nobles who ruled the state in their CM or their parliament, which was a pure oligarchy. They ruled the state, but they didn't rule the finances. and it's almost as if they didn't understand that the expansion of the empire was a bad thing for them. Their profits were all short term. And even, you know, Sigman himself, August 2nd, he had Jews everywhere surrounding him. They used to call the Protestant semi-Jews to the Reformation. And, you know, it's rare that the king was usually involved in this, but in this case,
Starting point is 00:50:16 he was. And the more powerful they became, the more of the peasants were absolutely tormented. This was the worst kind of serfdom in European history. But the fact that the nobles were always in debt, and of course I had to pay usurious rates, it wasn't just a peasantry that was under their control.
Starting point is 00:50:38 It was the nobles that were under their control too. So, I mean, the old stereotype is this very, really easy-going, lazy Polish magnate. They didn't have substantial martial arts. They had a bit of an exaggeration. And the Jesuits noticed this.
Starting point is 00:50:57 But there was never any such thing, as Jones says, and a few others. There was no counter-Reformation in Poland. And there was a reason for this. There's no shock that Calvinism and even more extreme versions of Protestantism took over in parts of Poland. Jewish historian greats. I think his line was
Starting point is 00:51:18 Poland became a second Babylon for the Jews, so much so that even in 1572 the Jews were able to name Sigmund the second's successor along with the Protestants, the Huguenots in France, as well as a Turkish monarch in Istanbul
Starting point is 00:51:39 brokered by Solomon Oshkanazi who had been an advisor to the grand vizier of the Ottoman Empire, as well as before that, he was a chief doctor to the Polish monarch. The point is, when you have this level of power,
Starting point is 00:52:04 it's based on these international ties. And the fact that through this financial web, they could figure out who his successor was, even over the heads of the oligarchy, who, you know, even in the 50s, 1770s was, was, we're totally under the heel of, of Jewish usury.
Starting point is 00:52:25 And they benefited, at least in the short term. So they, you know, they let these, these kind of things go. Polos oligarchs had no good reason to change the system. So, you know, revolts were constant. And religious battles were constant. I think 70% or 65% of the, people living in Poland were non-Polish and this is the reason that it eventually fell apart
Starting point is 00:52:55 these kind of rents upon rents, usury upon usury, can't sustain an economy and this is ultimately what destroyed Poland. After the uprising, the Jews on the basis of the Treaty of Belia Zirkov 1651 were again given the right to resettle in the Ukraine. The Jews were like before resident and leaser of the royal industries and the industries of the shlachta, and so it was to remain. Going into the 18th century, brandy distilling was practically the main profession of Jews. This trade often led to conflicts with the peasants who sometimes were drawn into taverns, not so much because of well to do, but on account of their poverty and misery.
Starting point is 00:53:47 included among the restrictions placed on the Polish Jews in response to demands of the Catholic Church was the prohibition against Jews having Christian house servants. Because of the recruitment coupled with the state tax increases in neighboring Russia, not a few refugees came to Poland where they had no rights. In the debates of Catherine's commission for reworking a new law code, 1767 to 68, one could hear that in Poland already a number of Russian refugees, or servants to Jews. What he's talking about here,
Starting point is 00:54:22 this is a little convoluted. He's talking about Russians leaving Russia to go to Poland. And so these refugees, or so it said, were working for the Jews almost immediately when they cross the border. I think since we've come to a new section, we should probably end it right there and pick it up on the next one.
Starting point is 00:54:53 We've been going about 45 minutes. You want to end this one early and just start a whole new section, a new next time? Yeah, I have no problem with that at all. I know it's, he's being so cursory because then we get to the revolution
Starting point is 00:55:09 late 19th century, Soviet era. This is going to be far different. And he goes into tremendous detail. But he's just giving a smattering of what was going on prior to the 19th century. So he's kind of all over the place and very cursory about it. So I'm trying to fill in some of the gaps for people who aren't specialists in the area. Correct.
Starting point is 00:55:32 And this next section, which I've read and studied, is very important to really understand what was to come in the future and especially Russian attitudes towards Jews. So we'll leave this for next time. As always, I will include all of your links in the show notes so that people can donate to you and subscribe to you. And we'll pick this up again in a couple days. I appreciate that, my friend. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Take care.
Starting point is 00:56:03 Bye-bye.

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