The Pete Quiñones Show - Reading Solzhenitsyn's '200 Years Together' w/ Dr. Matthew Raphael Johnson - Part 22

Episode Date: March 29, 2025

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you know, I've been listening to a lot of craft work recently, and I don't have really an explanation for it. But I was wondering why anyone would go see them live. They're on tour, believe it or not. There are four guys on a stage behind desks. They don't move. You don't know what they're doing. They don't interact with each other or the audience. The song sounds just like the album. Why would anyone pay money to go and see that? So how you doing? Doing good. I'm wondering if, um, is just to be in the, some people just want to be in the presence

of greatness. Yeah. Maybe that's it. Because yeah, I mean, I've been to probably hundreds of concerts in my lifetime. And yeah, if they, if they were just standing there, no one thought that that was a good show. if they were just gazing down at their shoes. Well, they have a desk, four of them in a row, and there's a desk that glows, and they're doing something, and that's it for an hour and a half. We're selling out places.

I don't know. I don't understand. I have no problem with them. I mean, they're, but, you know, I don't know why you would spend money for that. I don't know what you're spending money on. Big problem in my mind right now. Well, then let us make the next hour that people are with us more entertaining than that. I will make me feel better.

All right. Here we go. Pick it up from where we left off last time. The biographies of these early populace reveal a certain exultation, a certain lack of mental equilibrium. Leo Deutsch testifies, Leon Zlatpulski, a terrorist. was not a mentally balanced person. Apdekman himself in his cell after his arrest was not far from madness as his nerves were shaken. Betty Kemenkaya, from the second month of detention, lost her mind. She was transferred to the hospital, then her father, a merchant, took her back on bail.

Having read in the indictment that she would not be brought before the court, she wanted to tell the prosecutor that she was in good health and could appear, but soon after she swallowed poison and died. Moses Rabinovich, in his cell, had hallucinations. His nerves were exhausted. He resolved to feign repentance to name those whom the instruction was surely already acquainted with in order to be liberated. He drew up a declaration promising to say everything he knew and even upon his release from prison to seek and transmit information. The result was that he confessed everything without being released and that he was sent to the province of Irkutsk, where he went mad and died barely over the age of 20. Examples of this kind are not lacking. Leiser Sukerman emigrated to New York and put

an end to his life. Nam and Lowenthal, after having immigrated to Britain, was sent into dizzing downward, sent into the dizzying downward spiral of a nervous breakdown to which he added an unhappy love. He swallowed sulfuric acid and threw himself into the river at the age of about 19. These young individuals had thrown themselves away by overestimating their strength and the resistance of their nerves. These were the people who were going to liberate Russia, or so they say. This was, this was the mentality. The terrorist movement was so Jewish. And even at the time, it was known as an ethnic movement. This is why there was so much, so much anger.

Now, it makes me smile that they off themselves that way. But it also gets me angry that the empire was forced to slowly but surely create some kind of a rudimentary prison system for these people. But, you know, Jews themselves will admit to you that they have a thing, that they are, they are, are unbalanced, far more so than any other ethnic group. So forcing the empire to do this, you know, Jews have a lot to answer for. They're never going. You're never going to. No one's ever going to force them to.

But the nature of the Jewish revolutionary movement, which really was the revolutionary movement, especially its most extreme examples. and then of course the terror of especially the first half of the Soviet Union. People have a lot to answer for. And it turns out that these not only are from the upper class and of course Jewish, but clearly mentally unbalanced. I mean, I suppose to be a terrorist, you kind of have to be a little out of it, especially in a society that wasn't harming you.

Think of the mentality here. They weren't being harmed. in fact, they were being, they had privileges that no one else had. So terrorism? It was just this burning contempt for orthodoxy, the monarchy, the concept of Rome, and the Goyim. That's really what this comes down to. And it's absurd that Jews do things that no other group would do under these circumstances. And even Gregori Goldenberg, who, in cold blood, had defeated the governor of Karkov and asked his comrades,

as a supreme honor to kill by his own hand the czar, but his comrades feeling popular anger had apparently dismissed him as a Jew. Apparently, this argument often prompted populace to designate most often Russians to perpetrate attacks. After being arrested while carrying a charge of dynamite, he was seized by unbearable anguish in his cell of the Trubetskoy Battalion. His spirit was broken. He made a full confession that affected the whole movement, petitioned that Aaron Zendulovich could come share his cell, who showed more indulgence than others toward his actions. When it was refused, he committed suicide. Let's repeat this here. Because the terrorist groups were so Jewish, they realized, especially for high-profile attacks, you couldn't have Jews doing every one.

So they had to go search for the nearest Gentile to do it, so there isn't this popular anger against them. That's how Jewish these movements were. Others who were not directly involved suffered, such as Moses Edelstein, who was by no means an ideologist who had slipped, for a price, clandestine literature. He suffered much in prison, prayed to Yahweh for himself and his family. He repented during the judgment. I did not imagine that there could be such bad books, or as, Aronson, who, after the trial of the 193, disappeared completely from the revolutionary scene. Another point is worthy of noting. It was the facility with which many of them left that Russia,

which had long ago intended to save. In fact, in the 70s, emigration was regarded as desertion in revolutionary circles, even if the police seek you go underground, but do not run away. Tan Bogoros left to live 20 years in New York. Lazare, Goldenberg, Goitreutroitman, also left to New York in 1885, where he gave classes on the history of the revolutionary movement in Russia. He returned to Russia in 1906 after the amnesty to leave again rather quickly to Britain, where he remained until his death. In London, one of the Vayner Brothers became the owner of a furniture workshop, and Mr.

Aronson and Mr. Romm became... clinical doctors in New York. After a few years in Switzerland, I Goetzov went to live in America, having radically broken with the socialist movement. Lyser Lowenthal emigrated to Switzerland, completed his medical studies in Geneva, became the assistant of a great psychologist before obtaining a chair of histology in La Seine. Semyon Lurie also finished his studies in a faculty of medicine in Italy, but died shortly after. Liu Bove Axelrod remained for a long time in immigration where he received a degree of Doctor of Philosophy from the University of Berlin. Later, he inculcated dialectical materialism to

students of Soviet graduate schools. A. Katinsky also entered the faculty of medicine of burn, but died the following year from a galloping consumption. Gregory Gory Gory Goryov made a fine in Denmark. He returned to Russia as the country's ambassador in Kiev, where he stayed until 1918. You imagine being a member of a group so privileged that you can commit terrorist acts in one country, immigrate to another with ease, no problems with money or anything else, and be treated like this. No one got arrested. No one got in trouble. There were, you know, Trotsky, no problem, went to, went to Brooklyn. raised all kinds of money, but a few hundred Jews back.

You know, they had no problem. These are terrorists. These are people who were known for it. Never underestimate the role that especially Britain played in the revolutionary, not just in terms of funding. I mean, going back even to this era, 1870s and 80s, training given asylum support. even giving money to terrorist killers who would escape there.

And the U.S. was the same way. It's no different than the Black Panthers and the terrorists of the American late 60s who are still professors at American universities. Angela Davis, who is not an academic, is that somehow a professor at UCLA. And she killed people. She killed. She was part of a plot to kill a judge. and he was killed.

Most people haven't even heard of this. And she is worshipped. She's not a PhD in philosophy. I've read her stuff. She has no academic understanding whatsoever. But it doesn't matter. So it's not just, you know, the privilege of the left, the Jews and their allies, but how they're treated.

They're treated as sick as they are, as mentally unbalanced as they are. Back then and now, they're treated as here. And so it's not merely a Jewish thing, though mostly. People like Angela Davis, so many of the Black Panthers are venerated. They're making hundreds of thousands a year teaching. Can you imagine them teaching anybody? That's the privilege. That's how leftist the system is.

And that the Jews want for no matter what's going on, they want for nothing. Teaching at American University. I don't, you know. And because the British were. so pro-revolutionary, the American press was just repeating what they were told. And to this day, all these myths and stories about how heroic these people are are still circulating. Airgrid, operator of Ireland's electricity grid, is powering up the northwest. We're planning to upgrade the electricity grid in your area, and your input and local knowledge are vital in shaping

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Men such as these and doubt with such lively intelligence, when they found themselves in Siberia far from wasting or losing their reason, they opened their eyes to the tribes which surrounded them. studied their language and their customs and wrote ethnographic studies about them. Leon Sternberg on the Gileaks. Tan Bogoros on the Chuchess, I want to say Chuchess, Vladimir Yockelsen on the Yuccagirs, and Norm Guker on the physical type of the Lakuts. Some studies on the buriats are due to Moses Kroll.

Some of these Jewish revolutionaries willingly joined the socialist movement in the West. Thus, V. Yolkelson and A. Zundelovich during the Reichstag elections in Germany campaigned on the side of the Social Democrats. Zendelovich was even arrested for having used fraudulent methods. Anne Rosenstein in France was convicted for organizing a street demonstration in defiance of the regulations governing traffic on the street. Turgenev intervened for her, and she was expelled to Italy where she was twice condemned for anarchist agitation. She later married Afturati, converted him to socialism, and became herself the first Marxist of Italy. Abram Valt-Lessin, a native of Minsk, published articles for 17 years in New York in the socialist organ of America Vorworts

and exerted a great influence on the formation of the American labor movement. the road was going to be taken by many others of our socialists, that road. These people, these people were killers. They were terrorists. It was so easy for them to leave the country. Where is all this money coming from? These guys are supposed to be in a Siberian prison of some kind. You know, it takes money to do ethnographic studies.

You can't just, you know, right in the snow. with campaigning and fraudulently so it's an obnoxious group of people here they're obnoxious because of their mental on balance but because they really believe that they're the mouthpiece for history

history is coming to an end we've uncovered her secrets that's where their arrogance comes from nothing ever happens to these people killers you know and there was no, all over Europe, and all they did was act just as obnoxiously wherever they went as they

were in Russia. But, you know, these people should have been immediately arrested and condemned for murder, or at least sent back to Russia. No way. And I think part of it is Jewish power. The other part of it is Jewish power over the press because a lot of this was not being reported or if it was, it was justified. It sometimes happened that revolutionary emigrant were disappointed by the revolution. Thus, Moses Veller, having distanced himself from the movement, succeeded thanks to Turganov's intervention with Loris Melikoff to return to Russia. More extravagant was the journey of Isaac Pavlovsky, living in Paris as illustrious revolutionary.

He had connections with Turganov, who made him know Emil Zola and Alphonse Daudo. Daudet. He wrote a novel about the Russian nihilist that Turgenev published in the Vesnik Evropi, the messenger of Europe, and then he became the correspondent in Paris of Nevojevremia, the New Times, under the pseudonym Ayakovlev, and even as Deutsch rights, he portrayed himself as anti-Semite, sent a petition in high places, was pardoned, and returned to Russia. That said, the majority of the Jewish revolutionaries blended in, just like the Russians and their track was lost. With the exception of two or three prominent figures, all of my other compatriots

were minor players, writes Deutsch. A Soviet collection published the day after the revolution under the title of historical and revolutionary collection quotes many names of humble soldiers unknown to the revolution. We find there are dozens, even hundreds of Jewish names, who remembers of them now. However, all have taken action, all have brought their contribution, all have shaken more or less strongly the edifice of the state. Let us add, this very contingent of Jewish revolutionaries did not fully join the ranks of the Russian Revolution. All did not deny their Judaism. A. Lieberman, a great connoisseur of the Talmud, a little older than his populist fellow students, proposed in 1875 to carry out a specific campaign in favor of socialism among the Jewish

population. With the help of G. Gerevich, he published a socialist magazine in Yiddish called M.S. Pravda in Vienna in 1877. Shortly before, in the 70s, A. Zendelovich undertook a publication in the Hebrew language also entitled Truth. El Shapiro hypothesizes that this publication was a distant ancestor of Trotsky's the Pravda. The tradition of this appellation was durable. Some, like Valt Lassine insisted on the convergence of internationalism with Judaic nationalism. In his improvised conferences and sermons, the prophet Isaiah and Karl Marx figured as authorities of equal importance. In Geneva was found the Jewish free typography intended to print leaflets addressed to

the Jewish working class population. You know, it's, I think most of us would agree that the overwhelming majority of Jews either don't believe in God or some kind of a deist or something like that. That's not a contradiction. I always see Judaism as an ethnic group and really a revolutionary movement, this alien force. And even amongst the so-called Hasidics, God doesn't have the same meaning as it does for normal people.

So there certainly is no problem. There's no contradiction with being a so-called orthodox. Jew and being an atheist and materialist revolutionary. It's just that this ritualism, you know, is more about organizing and creating cohesion than anything else. And we hear here for the very first time the concept that Jewish nationalism on the one hand and internationalism on the other are not only not contradictory, but it makes a lot of sense. That's been the Jewish survival strategy from day one. Internationalism, meaning breaking down the different ethnic groups, nations, and states, while at the same time

promoting and fanatically being a part of this very cohesive Jewish nation. That's been the central, you know, if you could summarize Jewish political work, it would probably be that. You know, they might as well mention Moses Hess here too. It's all the same kind of movement. These aren't contradictory. Judaism is far less a religion than it is political agitation, ethnicity, with all this other stuff being purely symbolic. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

The so-called mystic Kabbalah found its greatest expression in some form of socialism, if not Marxism, than anarchism or something else. There is no problem here. There's no contradiction here. And I think that's what he's getting out with this paragraph. Specifically, Jewish circles were formed in some cities. A statute for the organization of a social revolutionary union of the Jews of Russia, formulated at the beginning of 1876, showed the need for propaganda in the Hebrew language,

and even to organize between Jews of the Western region, a network of social revolutionary sections federated with each other and with other sections of the same type found abroad. The socialists of the whole world formed a single brotherhood, and this organization was to be called the Jewish section of the Russian Social Revolutionary Party. Heson comments, The action of this union among the Jewish masses has not met with sufficient sympathies, and that is why these Jewish socialists, in their majority,

lent a hand to the common cause, that is to say, to the Russian cause. In fact, circles were created in Vilnius, Gros, Gros, Divinsk, Odessa, blah, down the, Rostov-Andan, down the line. In the very detailed founding act of this social revolutionary union of all Jews in Russia, one can read surprising ideas, statements such as, nothing ordinary has the right to exist if it has no rational justification. By the end, go ahead. No, no, it's fine.

Go ahead. That statement is bizarre beyond belief. Yeah, well, that's one of many. By the end of the 70s, the Russian revolutionary movement was already sliding toward terrorism. The appeal to the revolt of Bakunin had definitely prevailed over the concern for instruction of the masses of Lavrov. Beginning in 1879, the idea of populist presence among the peasants had no effect. The idea that dominated in the will of the people gained the upper hand over a rejection of

terror by the black repartition. Terror, nothing but terror, much more a systematic terror, that the people did not have a voice in the matter that the ranks of the intelligentsia were so sparse did not disturb them. Terrorist acts, including against the Tsar in person, thus succeeded one another. Terrorism seems in this particular case, it seems to be almost an outlet for this Jewish hatred for a country that, frankly, had been very nice to them. these are again upper-class people who could travel the world with no problem no no wanted money it's almost uh you know releasing a pressure cooker just a little bit or the small door and the dam kind of thing it's to spread the idea that the state can't protect you to create um chaos

and and a fearful population uh is very suggestible by the time within another a couple of decades, government officials were being murdered on a regular base. And of course, government, if any of these were, these were minor bureaucrats, ordinary people. And this was almost exclusively Jewish, but they would find the occasional

Gentile criminal and hand them a pistol just so it all can't get back to them. They had no support. No one liked them, certainly amongst the peasantry. At the time, people knew. it was Jewish. The going to the people thing is such a joke. And it really goes back, you know, by the

revolutionaries hatred. I mean, Jews despise agriculture and certainly the Christian peasantry. And that's why they were liquidated almost right away. Gentiles aren't people. They're cattle. And there's no problem in killing them. But even here, Other than their own contempt, there is no justification for this. If the Jews didn't exist in Russia, none of this would be happening. Airgrid, operator of Ireland's electricity grid, is powering up the northwest. We're planning to upgrade the electricity grid in your area, and your input and local knowledge are vital in shaping these plans.

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According to Leo Deutsch's assessment, only 10 to 12 Jews took part in the growing terror, beginning with Aaron Gobst executed, Solomon Wittenberg, prepared an attack on Alexander II in 1878, executed in 1879, Isaac Aaron Chick, was involved in the explosion of the imperial train condemned to a penal colony for life, and Gregory Goldenberg already named. Like Goldenberg, a Zendelovich, a brilliant organizer of terror, but who was not given the time to participate in the assassination of the czar, was arrested very early. There was also another quite active terrorist, Mludzki.

As for Rosa Grossman, Christina Grinberg and the brothers Leo and Savelli's Slopholzky, they played a secondary role. In fact, Savelli, as of March the 1st, 1881, was a member of the executive committee. As for Gessia Gelfman, she was part of the basic group of the actors of March 1st. Yeah, there are many books in English on the revolutionary movement, and none of them are allowed to mention any of this. You have a almost exclusively Jewish movement. you're writing a book on it, and you can't talk about the fact that it's a almost exclusively Jewish movement.

That means a book has got to be nonsense from start to finish. It's like writing a book on Tibet without ever mentioning Buddhism. It shows you how useless it. And I don't believe, especially younger professors, I don't think they have any clue. How would they ever come across this stuff?

Everything in their world is censored and sanitized, everything from Google to their own libraries, you know, coming across something like this, it would have to be absolutely accidental. And I know, because I've read most of these books, even when they do mention that it's somewhat of a Jewish movement, they justify it.

That because Russia were demonically anti-Semitic for no reason, and the pogroms occurred for no reason, this is a special pleading that people are forced into. And I think you could see why there's no way I could function any longer in the academic environment. Before I read the next sentence, can you, I know you did it on the last episode, but for people who may have skipped it, give a definition of what would be described populism at this time in Russia? Oh, normally populism, the way it's used today is somewhat of a right-wing phenomenon. Willis Cardo's political party was the populist party.

you know, rejecting the elite, especially the Jewish elite, the people who go to Bilderberg meetings, but I call the regime. That's not the case here. And it confuses a lot of people, calling it populist. I don't know if it's deliberate or just, you know, using the same name. It has nothing to do with being popular or the population. Just because these people said they were speaking for some abstraction called the people, which they were not, and they were aware that they were not. They were called populace. What these people were was the very opposite of how we normally use a term, and it's a shame that they get called that. The closest they could come to any sense of normal populism is that they said in their circulars and pamphlets that they were speaking for,

the Russian people, and they knew as they're writing this, it's a lie. Then it was the 80s that saw the decline in dissolution of populism. Government power took over, belonging to a revolutionary organization cost a firm eight to ten years of imprisonment. But if the revolutionary movement was caught by inertia, its members continued to exist. One can quote here Sophia Ginsburg. She did not engage in revolutionary action until 1877. She tried to restore the will of the people, which had been decimated by arrests. She prepared just after the Yulinov group and attacked, on Alexander III. So and so was forgotten in deportation.

Another was coming back from it. A third was only leaving for it, but they continue the battle. Before I forget, I want to mention, you know, one of the great monarchist and Orthodox writers of this, or slightly after this, was Ticomidov. Ticomitov was one of the few Gentile members of this organization, and it didn't take him long to realize what this really was. and not only did he abandon him, but he exposed it. And everything that Shultzhenitsyn, I think he may even be cited here,

everything Shultzhen is saying here, he said is absolutely true. You know, many generations earlier, he became a moniker. There was a whole bunch of guys like this, and that it was exclusively Jewish. He was one of the very few. And everything that we're saying,

everything that Shultzunitson says, T. Commit of confirms, and he was on the inside, and he's still a very famous right-wing, at least among Orthodox and royalist circles in Russia and in the West. Thusly was a famous deflagration described by the memorialists, the rebellion in the prison of Yakutsk in 1889. An important contingent of political prisoners had been told that they were going to be transferred to Verkoyansk,

and from there, even further, to Shredni Kolmisk, which they wanted to avoid at all costs. The majority of the group were Jewish inmates. In addition, they were informed that the amount of baggage allowed was reduced. Instead of five poods of books, clothes, linens, five poods, also of bread and flour, two poods of meat plus oil, sugar and tea, the whole, of course, loaded on horse or reindeer, a reduction of five poods in all. The deportees decided to resist.

In fact, it had already been six months. they had been walking freely in the city of Yakutsk, and some had obtained weapons from the inhabitants. While you're at it, might as well perish like this, and may the people discover all the abomination of the Russian government, perishing so that the spirit of combat is revived among the living. When they were picked up to be taken to the police station, they first opened fire on the officers, and the soldiers answered with a salvo, condemned to death together with N. Zotov were those who fired the first shots of the vice governor, L. Kogan Bernstein, and A. Gossmann. Condemned to force labor in perpetuity, the memorialist himself O. Minor, the celebrated M. Gautz,

and also A. Gurevich, and M. Erloff, Mr. Bromsen, Mr. Fondaminsky, Mr. Fondominzsche, S. O. Estrovich, Sophia Gurevich, on and on and on. The Jewish Encyclopedia informs us that for this mutiny, 26 Jews and six Russians were tried. So now there's no question. We come across anyone who denies this. We simply can show them. There is no question. There is no debate.

There is no discussion. A revolutionary terrorism in the old Russian Empire was almost exclusively Jewish. You go to prison in Germany for saying that, probably a longer term than you would in or elsewhere, and there's a reason for it. You know, when the Soviets liberated, quote, unquote, the camps after World War II, and then stuck Germans back in there, they had to create this horrible story. And it wasn't just, you know, how I call it, whatever it was called at the time. They had to create this and exaggerate it wildly, not only to cover up Jewish crimes that were going on at the moment.

But going all the way back to the 1880s, the Holocaust became something that was meant to override all of this stuff. It became the central event of the last 200 years, the very definition of what it is to be Jewish. And part of the purpose early on was to avoid having to talk about this kind of thing. Peasants, people hated Jews. They didn't hate them 100 years earlier, but they began to hate them now. All just for their own contempt, they, you know, again, they were treated very well.

These are upper class people. You could see by all their travel and education. There was nothing to make war on. Russia was very good to them, and Russia economically at the time was growing extremely rapidly. The lowest tax rate, they had no debt, no inflation. and we could go on and on. Lowest cost of living, best paid industrial labor,

the factory acts that we mentioned before, and their response was to destroy it. And to destroy it, because this was the bull war of the Orthodox monarchy, or of monarchy in general, in the entire world, especially in the European and in the Christian world.

That's why it had to be destroyed. It was almost like they simply couldn't handle the fact that you had a popular and successful royalist Christian government that they had to live with it. This contempt, this hatred of the people around them, like the Jewish Soviets later on, killing often for the sake of killing, it goes, that is the best I can do to explain it because they had no obvious reason to do any of this. Again, no Jews, no terrorism in the Russian Empire. That same year, 1889, Mark Natinson returned from exile and undertook to forge in place of the old dismantled populist organizations,

a new organization called the Right of the People. Natinsen had already witnessed the emergence of Marxism in Russia imported from Europe and its competition with populism. He made every effort to save the revolutionary movement from decadence and to maintain ties with the liberals. The best liberals are also semi-socialists. That's quoting. Not more than before did he look at nuances of convictions. What mattered to him was that all should unite to overthrow the autocracy, and when Russia was democratic, then it would be figured out. But the organization he set up this time proved to be amorphous, apathetic, and ephemeral.

Besides, respecting the rules of the conspiracy was no longer necessary. As Isaac Gourvich, very eloquently pointed out, because of the absence of conspiracy, a mass of people fall into the clutches of the police, but the revolutionaries are now so numerous that these losses do not count. Trees are knocked down and chips go flying. As I've said in the past, my very first book, I wrote when I was in, I was 30, 29, Russia at this time was very democratic. the normal sense of the term, the basic units of government that affected everybody. The Artel, the commune, the county government, the Zemstva. These were not only democratic, but they often functioned through unanimous decision. Of course, there were jury trials. And the monarchy, although hereditary at this point, was extremely popular, and especially Alexander III, was an

actual populist, which is why they needed him killed, which is why they needed Alexander the second killed. So when they used the word democratic, and this was the beginning of the alteration of this term, you know, when the left uses democratic today, they just mean people who support globalism, has nothing to do with people who are elected. If it's the wrong person, they'll just cancel the election, like in Romania. Democratic People's Republic. Clearly they're not using it in the same way,

either Democratic or people. Always be very careful when a group refers to this abstract people. There is no such thing as an abstract people. There is a nation or Jews, Russians, or Serbs, but the people, like in the U.S., means absolutely nothing. It's a complete abstraction. Mao, when I read Mao for the first time many, many years ago, he uses the word people all the time, but he slaughtered 30, 40 million of them.

Clearly they weren't the people. So when these people use that term, they're referring to the revolutionary movement and those who sympathize with them. That's the people. The fracture that had occurred in the Jewish consciousness after 1881, 1882, could not but be reflected somewhat in the consciousness of the Jewish revolutionaries in Russia. These young men had begun by drifting away from Judaism, and many had returned to it.

They had left the street of the Jews and then returned to their people. Our entire historical destiny is linked to the Jewish ghetto. It is from it that our national essence is forged. Until the pogroms of 1881 to 1882, absolutely none of us revolutionaries thought for a moment that we should publicly explain the participation of the Jews in the revolutionary movement. But then came the pogroms, which caused among the majority of our countrymen,

and explosion of indignation. And now it was not only the cultivated Jews, but some Jewish revolutionaries who had no affinity with their nation, who suddenly felt obliged to devote their strength and talents to their unjustly persecuted brothers. The pogroms have awakened sleeping feelings. They have made young people more susceptible

to the sufferings of their people and the people more receptive to revolutionary ideas. Let this serve as a basis for an autonomous action of the Jewish mass. We are obstinately pursuing our goal, the destruction of the current political regime. Now, if you could figure the logic there, you probably are unbalanced yourself. Everything that they're saying here, and the same crap is being repeated in every history classroom in universities across the world.

They actually don't understand why people don't like them. everything we've been reading about, they have no clue. It's way beyond this, this narcissism. It's extremely malevolent and malignant. It is, it is literally demonic. Now, we've talked about the pogroms already. Very few Jews were killed. Jews usually were the ones who started it.

The Possible procession, I forget what year this was in Odessa, that was attacked by Jews. this all the time, heavily armed, all these young people. They created these pogroms, and mostly it was Russians who were killed by these very well-armed and weirdly trained Jews. So many of these people later on, a couple generations later were the ones who created the militias in Palestine since they had experience in this matter. So the pogroms that they provoke, that did not kill a lot of them. And if they were, it was purely retaliation, this is how they were going to build their revolutionary movement. And because the right at the time didn't have a press, you know, it was kind of

like today, they're just, they weren't organized, the union of the Russian people, which by the way, was mostly Ukrainian organization, because that's where, you know, many of the Jews were. This was a a self-defense group, if anything else, who wanted them removed to Palestine, I guess later on in their existence. But not only do they not have any idea why people would hate them, but they created in their minds, like the Holocaust,

they created this pogrom idea and lied about it, lied through their teeth, which was taken immediately by the British press, and hence the American people, American press, and they weren't persecuted. And what the hell, even if that were true, what does it have to do with the state? The state was the only entity that stopped it. They had no interest in unrest in these fairly wealthy parts of the empire.

These were trading cities. So, again, the Holocaust later took the same role as a pogroms there. It is the essence of what it is to be a Jew, which is why they can't take it when you even mention it, except in worshipful tones. But this is the mentality here. This mentality has to be explained, and I think Shultanesan is trying to do it. We're trying to do it. And this is the kind of thing that you're, for a good reason from their point of view, not allowed to talk about. But behold, the unexpected support to the anti-Jewish pogroms brought by the leaflets of the will of the people, Leo Deutsch expresses his perplexity in a letter to Axelrod, who also wonders, the Jewish question

is now, in practice, really insoluble for a revolution. What would one do, for example, in Balta, where the Jews are being attacked? To defend them is tantamount to a rousing hatred against the revolutionaries who not only killed the Tsar, but also support the Jews. Reconciliation propaganda is now extremely difficult for the party. This perplexity, P. Lavrov himself, the venerated chief, expresses it in his turn. I recognize that the Jewish question, is a very much is extremely complex, and for the party, which intends to draw itself closer to the people and raise it against the government, it is difficult in the highest degree. Because of the passionate state in which the people find themselves and the need to have it on our side, he was not the only

one of the Russian revolutionaries to reason this way. In the 80s, a current reappeared among the socialists, advocating directing attention and propaganda to specifically Jewish circles, and preferably the ones of workers. But as proletariat, there were not many people among the Jews. Some carpenters, binders, shoemakers, the easiest was certainly to act among the most educated printers. Isaac Gorvich recounts with Moses Gorgine, Leon Rogler, Joseph Vresnik.

In Minsk, we had set ourselves the task of creating a nucleus of educated workers. But if we take, for example, Belotsk or Grodna, we found no working class. The recruitment was too weak. I probably don't have to say this, but just in case we have some like newcomers here, the Jewish elite, these fairly wealthy Jewish men, didn't give a damn about Gentile workers.

They had no interest in them. They were vaguely aware that they were going to create a system where they would be worked to death, which is exactly what, the Soviets did, but they figure, the mentality was, you know, Karl Marx defined a proletarian as someone who was no longer in their village, having moved to the city to find work and was working in a factory, and thus was severed from the tradition of the countryside, you know, religion and the family and everything else. Sometimes young men were there alone just to find work.

even more specifically a proletariat didn't own anything the formal definition is a someone in an urban factory that owned nothing and therefore the only thing he could offer is his body working somewhere so the concept was these are the best people to go to not because they cared about their well-being

but because they might be the most alienated part of the population It's the nature of urban industry. Industry in the Russian Empire was growing very, very fast. And so you have a rush to the cities to find work, people leaving the commune, which they knew that they couldn't penetrate, leaving all that tradition, all the vices that the Jews themselves created, the taverns, prostitution, everything else,

the brutal work, even though urban labor was, the best treated in Europe in Russia. It was still grueling in many places. This is the group that we could propagandize. This is the group that we can turn. For the most part, it failed. But they figured the best chance of success is precisely with this group of people. And I think Marx was very similar in that regard.

It had nothing to do with their well-being. Jews didn't give a damn. They were often the factory owners. but because of their condition, actually what a proletarian is, and this is what capitalism does. Karl Marx said this over and over again. Capitalism is a revolutionary movement

because it forces these things. Karl Marx was clear that free trade was essential because he figures that free trade will break down differences among nations, leveling nations off, creating just this eternal, you know, urban, proletariat everywhere that had no country, had no loyalty because of their condition. And this is why, and the only reason why they cared about the working class,

had nothing to do with, you know, as the Soviets prove, as every socialist country proves, there was Zed, not only no improvement in their, in their life. They were worked to death right up until the 70s in the Soviet Union. They were somewhat aware of this. at the time. But this is why suddenly now they think the proletarian as Marx I think at this point Marx had just died.

That's why the proletarian was the target. And that's why we're talking about it here almost for the first time. Now today, I guess really it was the 70s, the postmodern movement. The left doesn't care about labor. It used to be

their symbol. The Jewish communists would talk about workers. Again, they didn't care, but now they don't talk about them at all. In fact, they hold them in utter contempt. And we know that, for example, Donald Trump, the populist movement all over Europe. The working class is a huge part of it. Now they mock them. Now, of course, they were always that way. But it's important to note that's the theory from Marxism on down, specifically the Jewish theory as to why the working class in the cities, proletariat in the formal definition of the term was the target of Jewish propaganda. I'm looking forward and I'm thinking that this is a place to stop and pick up at the next paragraph for the next episode. Yeah, we're getting into somewhat of a new topic, but we're starting to see, you know, the revolutionary movement was kind of all over the place.

You don't just have followers of Mark. You had a whole bunch of different. kinds of socialism, a lot of the utopians that Marx hated and condemned, and the anarchist movement of Bakunin, I've mentioned this before, but Bakunin had condemned Karl Marx because he was being financed by the Rothschild. His movement was, everything he did came from this London banking elite. He was one of the first real hardcore leftists to point this out. This is why you shouldn't follow this guy. We know who he's working for. He has all this money.

He doesn't work. He has all this cash. He forms all these groups. And Bakunin said, you can't trust him. Anarchists generally didn't look to the proletariat. Sometimes they would. But they were far more general in their approach.

Anarchism is incoherent. At least Marxism has its own logic, such as it is, but anarchism doesn't. And anarchism, that's, an ideology. I don't mean chaos, but that was the nature of the targeting. And when you hear in my book the Soviet experiment, which I recommend

you buy from the Barns Review, actually, published it, that's really one of the feces of the book. It's that the working class, their well-being had zero to do, nothing with Soviet policy at any time. That's not what this movement was about. and the Jewish nature of it is one of the reasons why that was the case. All righty. As always, please check out the show notes on the episode,

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