The Pete Quiñones Show - Reading Solzhenitsyn's '200 Years Together' w/ Dr. Matthew Raphael Johnson - Part 26

Episode Date: April 12, 2025

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So thank you for the support. Head on over to freeman beyond the wall.com forward slash support and do it there. Thank you. I want to welcome everyone back to episode 26 of our reading of 200 years together by Alexander Salshaneson. How are you done, Dr. Johnson? I'm doing well. the weather is back to normal around here, like 50 degrees.

So I'm in a much better mood than I normally would be. I'm not looking forward to late spring, though. We're at that point where it's 70 degrees during the day and getting down to 35 at night. So that fun time where you have the AC on during the day and you may have a space heater at night. What a life. All right. Picking up where we left off in episode 25. We're talking about the rise of Zionism.

But in the final analysis, how can a Zionist behave toward the country in which he resides for the time being? For the Russian Zionists who devoted all their strength to the Palestinian dream, it was necessary to exclude themselves from the affairs that agitated Russia as such. Their statutes stipulated do not engage in politics, neither internal nor external. They could only weakly, without conviction, take part in the struggle for, for equal rights in Russia. As for participating in the National Liberation Movement, but that would be pulling the chestnuts out of the fire for the others.

Doesn't that sound great? You know, unfortunately, they were a small minority at the time, both in Russia and in Germany. But this was the initial conception of Zionism, that we're going to be as neutral as humanly possible. There is no point in subversy, hurting these countries anymore since we're going to be leaving them. It's no wonder why groups like the Union of the Russian people, the Christian Socialist Party in Austria, really,

you know, took to Zionism. It seemed to be a perfectly humane, rational, and intelligent way out. If they had more members, if they had a greater, greater support, I think our history would be a lot different. And I think it's also interesting that the Rothschild family, Sassoons, et cetera, all their interrelated webs of domination were financing both sides. I mean, clearly, there weren't in contradiction to each other. I know they used to get angry at Rothschild for, you know,

favoring one over the other. But, and you notice in their work at this stage, very early stage in Zionism, they don't seem to notice that people live there. You know, they just talk about moving there as if it's going to be no problem. But it was only later that they came to realize we need outside support. I mean, we can't depend on Rothschild for everything. You know, and so that means they had to be, and the anti-Zionist Jews noticed this pretty quickly,

that we have to be involved in politics, if for no other reason, then to make sure that the aid and the assistance and the weapons, whatever else they need, continues to flow. That also implies they have to dominate the foreign policy of at least some of the more powerful states. But at this stage, this sounds wonderful. Just be good neighbors. We're going to be leaving. No point in angering anybody. But unfortunately, they were a small minority. Such tactics, Drew Jabotinsky's fiery reproaches. Even passing travelers have an interest and the inn being clean and tidy. And then in what language should the Zionists display their propaganda?

They did not know Hebrew in any way, who would have understood it. Consequently, either in Yiddish, either in Russian or in Yiddish, and this brought closer once more the radicals of Russia and the Jewish revolutionaries. Evidently, the Jewish revolutionary youth jousted with the Zionists. No one know. The solution of the Jewish question does not lie in the dissonings. departure out of Russia, it is in the political fight for equal rights here. Instead of going to settle far beyond the seas, we must make use of the possibility of affirming ourselves here in this

country. And their arguments could not avoid shaking more than one by their clarity. In the Bolshevik circles, the Zionists were denounced as reactionary. They were treated as the party of the darkest, most desperate pessimism. Well, the Bolsheviks were a heavily Jewish party at this point. gone, already gone over that. They say pessimism because at this stage, it takes a lot of optimism to believe that despite your small numbers, you're going to be able to subvert entire empires, Christian empires, which of course they succeeded in doing, even prior to Zionism coming to fruition in 1948. So if you knew about the Jewish question, at the time living in Europe, clearly you're going to favor the Zionist argument.

Now, later on, that changed under Stalin. And you could understand why people like, you know, Lenin would think that it's a bad idea. You know, one of the proofs that the Jews ran these communist countries is once Israel was founded initially by Stalin, I think, Ramosko, at the UN, You had a lot of Jews who wanted to go. But that meant the party was going to be losing all of these central members. The bureaucracy was going to be losing all of these members. Romania had a huge problem with it.

So there's no denying that these were Jewish entities if they were so worried about Jews wanting to leave to go to Israel. But it wasn't really until the 1970s. I recently did a show on this that the Jews separated from the USSR. and favored the Zionist option over the revolutionary one for a whole bunch of different reasons. But it's understandable why the Zionists and the communists would be at odds. Inevitably, intermediate currents were to emerge. Thus, the Zionist party of the left, Poelae-Sion, workers of Zion,

it was in Russia that it was founded in 1890. It combined socialist ideology with political Zionism. It was an attempt to find a median line between those concerned exclusively with class problems and those concerned only with national problems. Profound disagreements existed within Polly Zion on the question of participation in revolutionary action in Russia. And the revolutionaries themselves were divided, some leading toward the social Democrats and other toward the social revolutionaries. Other Sera-Syan groups, ideologically close to non-Marxist socialist Zionism, began to form from 1905 onwards.

In 1904, a split with Paoli-Zion gave birth to a new party, the socialist Zionists, breaking with the ideal of Palestine. The extension of Yiddish has a spoken language to all Jewish masses. This is quite sufficient, and we score in the idea of national autonomy. Zionism begins to take on a bourgeois and reactionary tint. What is needed is to create from it a socialist movement to awaken revolutionary political instincts in the Jewish masses. The party strongly supported the social and economic content of Zionism, but denied the need to revive the land of Judea, culture, Hebrew traditions. Granted, Jewish emigration is too chaotic. It must be oriented toward a specific tool. territory, but there is no essential link between Zionism and Palestine.

The Hebrew state must be based on socialist and non-capitalist foundations. Such an emigration is a long-term historical process. The bulk of the Jewish masses will remain well into the future in their current places of residence. The party has approved the participation of the Jews in the political struggle in Russia. That is to say, is a struggle for their rights in this country. As for Judaism and faith, they despise them. well just as Zionism was a small minority at this point

a Jew who believes in God then and now is very very hard to find or they define God in such a bizarre way they use the term deliberately to fool people but it's the end soft in the in the in the Kabbalah but when you know the first generation in 1948 they were indebted to the USSR. And so things like the kibbutzim were done on socialist models.

I've seen pictures of these with pictures of Stalin up. And they stayed up for a long time. The so-called class concern and the national concern really weren't all that different. I think Moses Hess was probably the best known guy to combine them, a generation earlier, if we're talking about the early 20th century. but given everything that we've learned about the Jews' relationship to agriculture, they ended up, once the initial war was over,

relying on Arab labor for the actual hands-on work in the fields. I don't think they really ever, even in Israel itself, despite the mythology, ever really became farmers, agriculturists. I mean, for the most part, they were growing oranges and grapes and things like that. It wasn't like they were growing wheat, very different, you know, vineiculture more than actual your typical agriculture. We think of as agriculture. But it seems like they're talking here of a solution where Jews can stay just long enough to destroy the country and then possibly leave.

Or have a group that leaves and a group that stays behind, which is exactly ultimately, what happened. The problem I think that many Jews had, and it wasn't, whether it was spoken or not, I don't know, and certainly not so blatantly, is if there's a state, which is 100% Jewish, the only way they can exploit others is outside the country. What are they going to do if there's no Gentiles around?

And if you know anything about Jewish history, especially modern Jewish history, they'll kill each other. Even within their different factions, they'll kill each other. But it's true. Initially, Israel was founded as a socialist state, and because of these security issues, it is a completely statist economy that relies on external assistance from its very existence. So in many ways, it doesn't matter how the economy is organized.

It's suffering very badly now, but it is a state-run, if not an entirely state-owned economy, because everything has to be geared towards security issues. All this mishmash had to generate a socialist Jewish group called Renaissance, which believed the national factor is progressive by nature. And in 1906, the members of this group who had broken with the Zionist Socialist Party constituted the Soviet Socialist Workers Party, the Serp. They were called Serpoevish or Semoievich, for they demanded the election of a Jewish national shesh,

Sem, intended to be the supreme organ of Jewish national self-government. For them, Russian and Hebrew were, in their capacity of languages of use, equal. And by advocating autonomism within the Russian state, the Serp, socialist, was distinguished from the Bund, also socialist. In spite of the disagreements that divided the Zionists among themselves, a general shift of Zionism towards socialism took place in Russia, which attracted the attention of the Russian government. Until then, it had not interfered with Zionist propaganda, but in 1903, Interior Minister Plev addressed the governors of the provinces and to the mayors of the big cities, a bulletin stating that the Zionists had relegated to the background, the idea of leaving Palestine,

and had concentrated on the organization of Jewish life in their places of residence. That such direction could not be tolerated, and that consequential, any public propaganda in favor of Zionism would now be prohibited as well as meetings, conferences, et cetera. Plyv was very much aware of the Jewish question. He was a target of assassination many times. The way that we define Zionism, we usually define it as this national movement for Jews to leave, the countries that they live in, the so-called exile, and to go to the Middle East, as if they have any connection over there. They do not. But that's what we think of it as. This is an odd, again, this is very early. This is an odd way to think of it. They're thinking that we can build whatever that was right here, wherever we live. And I'm very tempted to say that sounds like Kazadia, because a huge portion of Russia's Jews.

Jews lived. I mean, the Palos settlement essentially is not entirely, of course, it's so big, but it does include within itself the northern part of the Khazar Empire. To think that Jews were ignorant of this, you know, I have a big problem with it. But as far as appealing to Western audiences, then and now, this notion that they're the people of the Old Testament was very important in getting Gentile support. But the very fact that they didn't know Hebrew, that they had this strange post-Kazars, Yiddish, you know, Turkic German mess of a language. I think Germans used to call it gutter German, but it had pieces of everything. I think mostly it's a Turkic language, as the initial Khazars were, shows that they had absolutely no right to go back there. and that the group of people who agreed with that statement or the orthodox still in Jerusalem who wanted nothing to do with Zionism for a whole bunch of reasons. Clearly, they didn't interfere with Zionist propaganda because it offered a solution, a solution that should have been considered years earlier.

But it doesn't make sense to us today to think of Zionism as something that you can do write wherever you live. There has to be a connection between Khazdia and this version of Zionism, which of course we know now is pretty essential, although I think Putin spoiled that party pretty badly. But there are sometimes

I do think that places like New York or the U.S., Britain, that these are really the promised land as far as the Jews are concerned. but there was a whole faction today Kolomoisky I've talked about this until I'm blue in the face of using Rabbi Schneerson

the so-called Messiah to build new Khazadia in Ukraine and have that be the true homeland of the Jews prior to the war of course I have a paper out on this I've spoken of of this of great length that Schneerson

was the centerpiece of this new variation of Zionism. That's why Kolomoisky built this massive, the largest Jewish structure, the biggest synagogue, the Buddhist cultural center in the world in Dineper

in eastern Ukraine. Again, irrelevant now, especially since Kulomoisky is arrested and he lost his citizenship. Whatever happens with that in the future, I don't know. but it does seem odd to it. Plyv was well aware of what was happening. And the last thing he wanted to see

was Jewish nationalism, socialist or otherwise, being built in the Russian Empire. He was well aware of what that would lead to. He had no problem with it when it meant, oh my God, they're going to leave Russia. That's why they didn't interfere with it. But this, again, as an early

stage, they were still working out some of the kinks. But given, say, in 2025, the position of Israel is very precarious. And Netanyahu has done a lot of damage to the entire idea. But despite the fact that Ukraine has been depopulated in certain areas, the idea of Nukuzadia, while it still exists, isn't as attractive as it used to be. Remember, when Zelensky was first installed by the U.S. as president in 2019. People who know me, know my work, I have this on Patreon a few other places. In his inaugural address, he talked about building that Ukraine is going to be a, what he called, big Israel. What he meant was, it's going to be a security state that exists pretty much as the Israelis do. I know what that really means. It's a version of New Qazaria that

there's going to be the entire thing would be a totalitarian. He even said there's going to be armed guards in the grocery store and in the movie theater. The only reason that he would even think of that, and he said that in public, is that he knows that his Jewish

millionaires, billionaires, who run that country they're in serious trouble, they're losing. This, of course, is prior to the war. And the only way that they could hold on the power is to create this totalitarian security state.

The Atlantic Council, which is essentially the research arm of NATO, even came out with a roadmap of how this could be done, written by what's his name, Spiro from, who was the ambassador to Israel under Obama. So there's versions of this that are still around. I guess you could call that a form of Zionism, but I think it's more accurate to call it Nukazadia. And I think that this is a very early version of that right here.

Made aware of this, Herzl, who had already solicited an audience with Nicholas II in 1899, went immediately to St. Petersburg to ask to be received by Plyv. It was just after the Kishinev pro-Pogrom, which occurred in the spring, of which Plyv had been strongly accused, and which had therefore attracted him the blame and invectives of the Russian Zionists. Plev made Herzl understand, according to the latter's notes, that the Jewish question for Russia's, grave, if not vital, and we endeavor to solve it correctly. The Russian state wishes to have a homogenous population, and it demands a patriotic attitude from all. We want to assimilate, but assimilation is slow. I am not the enemy of the Jews. I know them well. I spent my youth in Warsaw,

and as a child, I also played with Jewish children. I would very much like to do something for them. I do not want to deny that the situation of the Jews in Russia is not a happy one. If I If I were a Jew, I too, would probably be an opponent of the government. The formation of a Jewish state accommodating several million immigrants would be extremely desirable for us. That does not mean, however, that we want to lose all our Jewish citizens. Educated and wealthy people, we would gladly keep them. The destitute without education, we would gladly let them go.

We had nothing against Zionism as long as it preached emigration, but now we note great changes in its goals. The Russian government sees with a kindly eye the immigration of Zionists to Palestine, and if the Zionists return to their initial plans, they are ready to support them in the face of the Ottoman Empire. But it cannot tolerate the propagation of Zionism, which advocates a separatism of national inspiration within Russia itself. This would entail the formation of groups of citizens to whom patriotism, which is the very foundation of the state, would be foreign. According to N.D. Lubimov who was then director of the minister's cabinet, Plev told him that Herzl, during the interview, had recognized that Western bankers were helping the revolutionary parties of Russia.

Sliosburg, however, thinks that this is unlikely. All right, let me try to unpack a little bit of this here. Keep in mind that this isn't a word-for-word recitation. These are notes that Herschel took at the time. the Russian state wishes to have a homogenous population. That's the key phrase. You can't have nationalist Jews or Jews being Jews really in any way and have it make sense,

have it become a part of anything homogenous. Plev is not the enemy of the Jews, and he's right and everything he said here. I don't know what he means, and I have the feeling that he's being misquoted that, oh, we know how miserable they are. And I guess he's talking about the pogrom, which of course was not provoked, either by the state or by Russians. I don't know, and I don't believe for a minute he said that, oh, yeah, I would be against the government too.

But of course, the other key phrase is a formation of a Jewish state with several million immigrants would be extremely desirable for us, extremely desirable. Well, that's an understatement, of course. I think, though, assuming he actually said this, it's very naive of him to think, well, the wealthy ones can stay. Well, that's exactly the problem. He was still under the impression, well, what wealthy Jew can be a revolutionary? Having no idea that connection, I mean, that took a while for a lot of people to realize that the class was nonsense.

They didn't care about the poor. we talked about the proletarian and why they chose that group of people had nothing to do with making their lives better but it almost didn't seem to be a necessity of him to say well we can't have a national group

building a national life in Russia and in the process he's actually saying well because you're hostile you've always been hostile on what we have done and you consider how history would have been different if Russia

would have intervened with the Ottoman Empire which at this point it had defeated many times in battle and convinced them to carve out a peace for Jewish immigration and I'm not really sure

what the Zionists were talking about separatism within Russia itself I don't know if they meant the pale of settlement you know what Stalin tried to do with bit of biz done I have a paper on that too you know, a thousand other fantasy projects that leaders had come up with, Jews, and otherwise. I don't know about this last comment here in the parentheses. Plyv, I think eventually came to know that the Western bankers were helping revolutionary parties.

I'm not 100% sure. But if it is true, then that would make his entire, you know, well, Jews can't be revolutionaries, or can't be enemies, utter nonsense. So I think, you know, given what I know about Plyv, I don't believe a lot of this is 100% accurate,

but those two key phrases, a homogenous population, which is the only way any society could function, and that it would be very desirable for Jews to leave. The wealthy ones, I don't know. I don't know if that was an aside. I don't know really what he... I would like to have seen him expand on that.

Keep in mind, these are Herschel's notes taken, probably after the fact. And so you could do what you want with this, but this is not a word-for-word recitation at all. Plyth made his report to the emperor. The report was approved, and Hurtzl received a letter of confirmation in the same vein. He felt that his visit to Plev had been a success. neither of them suspected that they had only 11 months left to live. Yeah, Plyv was murdered by Jewish revolutionaries. Turkey had no intention of making any concessions to the Zionists,

and the British government in that same year of 1905 proposed that not Palestine, but Uganda, be colonized. In August 1903 at the 6th Congress of the Zionists in Basel, Herzl was the spokesman for this variant, which of course is not Zion, but which could be accepted on a provisional basis in order for a Jewish state to be created as quickly as possible. All the top of my head, I don't know why Uganda was considered. Of course, it was a British colony. What was special about it, where that would be a place.

That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. And there's a lot of resources there. I've heard this before. I never got into it in depth. But of all the British colonies, Uganda, I'm not, I'm still a little foggy as to why there. This project provoked stormy debates. It seems that it met with some support in the eshiv for new immigrants discouraged by the harsh living conditions in Palestine. The Russian Zionists, who claimed to have more than all the need to quickly find a refuge, fiercely opposed a project, headed by M.M. Ushel

Wilkeen, founder of the Billiam group and later the right-hand man of a Ha'ahm of the Benet Moisheleague, they recalled that Zionism was inseparable from Zion and that nothing could replace it. I'm not sure exactly how many Jews really believe that. How many Jews believe that there's this perfect genetic and religious generation for generation from King David to these Jews speaking Yiddish in Russia. I have no way of knowing that. No one has any way of knowing that. There's a lot of reasons why that part of the world would be.

It's very strategic. There's a part of me that says, I think this is how they're going to appeal to Gentiles. You know, we are the people of the Old Testament. This was at a time where the new Protestant translations of the Bible were coming out. Many of you know what I'm talking about. That suggested, Schofield is what I'm talking about, which I believe is a 19th century production, and that was gaining ground amongst Protestants, of course, in Britain and the U.S., at least in English-speaking countries. It's such a simple and simplistic and superficial way to understand the chances of that, either theologically or ethnically or ethnically.

They would be so inbred by that point. There's no way that could be. We know the foreign racial elements that came from both Babylonia and then their move north to Khazadia. Very different group of people in both senses of the term. They were, theoretically, they had abandoned the Old Testament pretty much, you know, they adopted the magical and mystical ideas. The Talmud was written. the Old Testament was history, but I think the same goes for ethnicity.

So I think maybe Zion itself was simply a part of their self-delusion and propaganda, plus the fact that it was a very important part of the world, and to colonize it would be economically significant, which one dominated the minds of these people. There's no way of knowing, but what percentage of Jews actually believed that they really were the descendants of David and Solomon, there's no way to know, but I think it's an interesting question anyway. Congress nevertheless constituted a commission to travel to Uganda to study the land. The seventh Congress in 1905 heard its report, and the Ugandan variant was rejected. Overcome by all these obstacles, Herzl succumbed to a heart attack before he knew the final decision.

But this new dilemma provoked a new rupture in Zionism. They split the so-called territorialists, led by Israel Zangville, to which joined the English delegates. They established their international council. The latter held its meetings, receiving subsidies from Jacob Schiff and Baron Rothschild. They had given up demanding Palestine and nothing else. Yes, it was necessary to carry out a mass colonization by the Jews. but wherever it was. Year after year in their research,

they reviewed a dozen countries. They almost selected Angola, but Portugal is too weak. It will not be able to defend the Jews, and therefore the Jews risk becoming the victims of the neighboring tribes. The Angola option doesn't get a lot of press. When I wrote my paper on Stalin's Bidobisdan project,

I'm the very first one to realize why this project was chosen, where it was. I found in a Russian mining journal roughly around this time, maybe a little bit later, maybe in the 20s,

as well as some mining company in Alaska had come to the conclusion that there was a huge gold vein precisely in that part of the Russian far east on the Chinese border where Bilbaistan is. and I think that's probably why

even though Christianity was illegal in USSR, they still couldn't stand being with Gentiles and so they needed this state. Now it turns out that once the mining companies moved in, it was nothing what they thought it would be. These forecasts were simply incorrect. No one has mentioned that before. I was the first one to mention it,

first one to find it. But that's why, these weird places, what the hell is going through their minds? So I'm thinking the exact same thing is happening either in Angola or Uganda. There's something that they think that was there, whether it be in the mining department or slave labor, whatever they thought would benefit them in some way. Biddaan, I think, is very clear now that, you know, they would be monopolizing. Soviet Union had tremendous gold reserves, but. if this was going to be the biggest vein ever, which people were talking about,

both in Russia and in the U.S., then they would be the mediators of this gold production. God knows, using slave labor, probably prison labor, to do it. There is a mine there to this very day, but it's very small. I think the Chinese own it. So these aren't random places. I simply don't know off the top of my head what they thought was in Uganda or in Angola, of all places. you know, so far away from everything. And I love the assumption that, you know, okay, we're going to move in there,

but yeah, the colonial master, they better, you better, you know, protect us because no one likes us. At this point, Portugal was in no position to do much of anything in, in that part of the world. And it's so obscure and so far from everything, unless there's some connection with South Africa. And the gold diamond mines there. I don't want to speculate, but Angola is fairly close by. So that might have something to do with it. But these seem to be random, weird places.

But I think if we look deeper, they really aren't. But given the publication of the Schofield Bible and all this stuff, there was something about, and plus their own mythology, their self-identification, even if they're totally secular. And these were all completely secular movement. There was something about the Middle East. And keep in mind, as I've mentioned before, there were many Orthodox Jews living in Jerusalem, who, by the way, wanted nothing to do with Israel then and now.

And these people were Talmudis, Kabbalists, whatever. So even they had no real connection with the Old Testament despite living in that city. So that's my take on these weird places. there were other options I know I've heard of. I remember I had a long conversation with Michael Collins Piper four guy years ago about this. He had discovered a few others, equally bizarre and obscure,

one in Latin America. I don't remember now, but there was something there. They wouldn't have chosen these. They didn't like throw a dart at a map. But I also think it's interesting that Schiff and Rothschild were financing both the revolutionaries and the Zionists.

In their minds, they didn't see much of a difference. And I think that's, that's, you know, it didn't occur to me immediately, but both groups. And for the most part, I think the communist, at the time, the communist stereotype was that your Zionist was non-communists, but we're nationalist, as if, you know, those two things in the Jewish world are not mutually exclusive, but they may think they are. even today they call the Jewish nationalist in in Israel, you know, Jewish fascists, whatever it is. And therefore, you know, we have to stop them because these were Jewish movements, financed by Jewish billionaires. And, you know, and apparently killing Plyv was a terrible idea and ended up harming them to a great extent.

because I think what Hurtle heard was probably correct. You know, a lot of us, you know, we're not enemies. We don't like what they do. They deserve to be away and in a place where they can't exploit anybody. And until that happens, there's going to be a huge problem. So, in other words, he's talking about it as a personal issue. He's not the enemy. Politically, religiously.

maybe he is of course you have to be an enemy at the Talmud he talks about his personal experience this isn't a personal matter this is an aggregate matter this is about ethnicity this is about a group not about people and this was one of the the healthier aspects of kirtle's approach because he realized he said this isn't going to be solved we don't belong here we don't you know people hate us and that's terrible but that's because we don't belong here we're aliens being a secular Jew he didn't worry so much about the theological elements of exile we have to get out of here but what makes the most sense is to claim that we have this connection to to Jerusalem that part of

the Middle East and have that be the the core goal and of course things got complicated after the fall of the the Ottoman Empire and then the British occupation Jewish terrorism after that. And it was really only the first, the initial foundation from Stalin, and then making a much better deal with the U.S. later that it was ever able to work, although maybe, and I'm saying that maybe we're seeing the end of that. You have huge Jewish outmigration from Israel right now. The Jewish security forces are so overstretched. They were overstretched to begin with. now Netanyahu wants to take whole chunks of Syria

and colonize that. I mean, how many Jews are available for this kind of thing? The Jewish military hasn't won anything there. So these other ideas may possibly become relevant again. I'm assuming these Jews are going either to England or to the U.S., where they dominate completely. And also keep in mind that with PLEV, he also has to work about the British. The British were completely Rothschild dominated at the time. He was aware of this. He could not appear to be a direct enemy of the Jews, lest he had to deal with the British Empire.

And that was hostile enough, especially in Central Asia. So they were even ready to accept territory within Russia, even if they could create an autonomous entity with an independent administration. This argument, a strong country must be able to defend immigrants on the premises of their new residents reinforce those who insisted on the need to quickly establish an independent state capable of hosting mass immigration. This was suggested, and would suggest later, Max Nordau when he said that he was not afraid of the economic unpreparedness of the country that is of Palestine for the reception of newcomers. However, for this, it was necessary to be to beget the better of Turkey and also

find a solution to the Arab problem. The adherence of this program understood that in order to implement it, it was necessary to have recourse to the assistance of powerful allies. Now this assistance, no country for the moment, proposed it. To arrive at the creation of the state of Israel, we must go through two more world wars. Yeah, the era problem. Finally, they're mentioned here. I've read a lot of this Zionist stuff and proto-Zionist stuff in Russian. And the fact that there's people living there doesn't really seem to occur to them very often. It's true that wherever they pick, it's going to be a huge problem. Bit of Bizdon. I mean, that's like a, I don't know how many hours it is to get out there.

It's like 10 time zones with almost nothing. It was a tiny little time. at the time. It was extremely difficult to establish anything. The same thing goes for Israel, who we know is the state of Israel today, or Angola or Uganda. This may have something to do with the fact that it was a minority of faith at the time. But I think Russia at the time may have been in a position to speak to the Ottoman Empire about this. The Turkish Empire had very strong Jewish influences at the upper levels from its very inception, the conquest of Constantinople, and then right up until its collapse. Elite Greeks and Jews ran its finances, ran its medicine, the Fannar district in Istanbul

was this very alienated group of people. Jews did very well in the Turkish Empire. So I can imagine them coming, you know, going to Jews in Turkey saying, why are we going to move? Same thing for Russia. Despite their exaggerated mythology of the pogroms, Jews were doing well there. That's why I don't believe actually Plyv said that statement. This doesn't make any sense. I think that was strictly his later additions to this alleged conversation. But you notice something else.

it can't be a mass exodus because we need and we need recourse to the assistance of powerful allies in other words i don't care if you have schiff and rostrild in your corner you're building something out of nothing jews who are used to a very different life especially a life really way they don't work very much now they're going into the middle of nowhere but might as well be the middle of nowhere and building a state surrounded wherever they go by hostile groups. Yeah, yeah, the Jews found a solution to the Arab problem, all right? And there's a few Jewish authors who talk about the poisoning of the wells, the use of poison gas in the first, the wars of 47, 48, 49,

to drive the Arabs out some of the worst abuses you can imagine. So, yeah, that, I guess, was a sluble. I don't know how things would have been if the Ottoman Empire remained. But by World War I, the Ottomans didn't do very well. The Russians knocked him out of the war very quickly, just like Austria. I think it was led by Germans for the most part at the time. And it was going to collapse shortly thereafter. So now Jews don't really have a reason to be a part.

I mean, they were a part of the new Jewish Turkish state. they were part of the genocide and everything else. But it was a lot to ask. We spent what the last 166 pages talking about the Jews won't work. The last thing they're going to do is plant crops. That's for underlings. We're the aristocrats of the world. We don't do that.

We're the mediators of the world, as I used to say. We don't do stuff like that. So not only, you know, the Arab problem, you can't just slaughter them all. although that certainly was a consideration, you need them to work. Wherever you go, you're Ugandan, Angolan, can you imagine the various tribes there, you know, we need them to work because we're not going to do it. And Herzl, he had to have been aware of that fact,

that even in what they call the promised land, they're not going to, you know, they're not used to working with their hands at all, but that's the nuts and bolts of building a society at a nothing. That's absolutely essential. I don't care how much money I have. You didn't have the mentality, the ethnic mentality to do anything about it. It eventually worked, of course, to a great extent, but it came out of warfare more than anything else. So, you see the last line of that paragraph, we need powerful allies, but no country at the moment proposed it.

Well, that will change with Joseph Stalin. We have a few minutes here. You mentioned the Schofield Bible. There's a certain section on the right, you know, what would call themselves, you know, the dissident right, whatever emerged out of the right, who say the Schofield Bible had nothing to do with this. Two thousand years ago,

there was a crucified, hike and a bunch of Jews started a religion to subvert the whole world so that they could take it over. And that Christianity has been this grand plan since the beginning to destroy the strong pagan gods and turn everybody into love your neighbor weaklings so that the Jews could take over the world like they've done now. you know that's very difficult to reply to because i can't believe that there are people who really believe it these are the same people by the way that will say how awful the christian monarchs were for for destroying pagan societies well it's got to be one of the

other either they're weak or they're too strong which one is it they talk about this i know these people i've spoken to these people i don't know they're i don't know how numerous they are, but you have to be beyond historically illiterate to accept this. I'm no expert on the Schofield Bible thing, but clearly it had an influence, especially in Britain, on how the Middle East was perceived. But from the moment the Jewish elites put Christ to death, they were at war with this new religion. there isn't a shred of evidence whatsoever that the Jews were anything other than extremely hostile

wherever they went from you know when the Persians conquered the area the Jews in their in their train slaughtered every Christian they could find Middle East that is I forget it was 60,000 something like that which at the time was a huge number wherever the Jews have gone they've done everything they can to not just destroy Christianity, but support the enemies.

It's one of the reasons that Islam was able to... Islam, no, Islam is. This might work for Islam because there are tremendous connections, theologically, and in terms of the basic mentality between Judaism and Islam. I've spoken on that some years ago.

I don't remember every detail now, but there's a lot of connections. And if you control, for the current problems with the state of Israel in the 20th century. Prior to that, Islam and Judaism did fairly well together. You know, I said the Turkish Empire had a Jewish ruling class, especially in its finance and legal elements, and it's medicine too.

And we could talk about Spain, we could go everywhere. There isn't, you know, the Talmud. Have these people never heard of this? the invective I can't you can't refute something that's so stupid it's like someone's claiming

that the sun doesn't exist you know I don't I'm not sure how to deal with these people the illiteracy the deliberate either they really aren't that stupid or or they just they need to believe this for some reason

possibly a sexual reason as Michael Jones has said about no I'll tell you what the reason is It's because politics is so taken over. And once you realize how, you know, Yaki said that we live in the age of total politics and absolute politics, everything has taken over our life. Politics is taken over every aspect of our life. And if they see their enemies as the Jews, how can they worship one? Yeah.

And these people, I have to, you know, trying to explain to them that the, You know, Old Testament, of which Christ rejected a peace of, has nothing to do with the Jewish synagogue down the street from them, that they're totally and completely opposed, that Christianity was the only defender of the best of the Old Testament. They think, a Jews, a Jew's, a Jew, no matter where they are or what they are. Again, it's the same level of illiteracy. Early Christianity was Greek.

Christ was raised in Nazareth, which was a part of Decapolis. There was no way if he, you know, Carpenter, there was no way he wasn't working in that area. It was a very Greek area. There was no question that he knew Greek culture. This is why the Bible's pieces of Christian literature was either in Greek, overwhelmingly in Greek, or in, you know, other local languages, Syriac. You know, he spoke to pilot in Latin. He clearly was a part of Greek culture.

This was the initial Christianity with the Greek influence at the time was huge. Decapolis, which is, yeah, Nazareth was a Hebraic enclave. But overwhelmingly, the early years of Christianity were very Greek. Now theological debates early on were done in that language. St. Justin Martyr, who was murdered in 100 or earlier than that, 98, there's a lot of debate over that. He was a Platonist. He agrees with me 100%,

which is why he's in my book on anomalism. This is a, you know, it was initially, very quickly, it was a Greek, a Greek religion. It wasn't just Greek, of course, but this is where the literature, how the literature was written down, the language that was used very, very early on. But I don't want to overload their brains with things like that. But again, for someone to believe that Christ is a Jew in the same sense that Rabbi Schneerson is a Jew, I don't know if I could convince him of anything. All right. Well, let's wrap it

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