The Pete Quiñones Show - Reading Solzhenitsyn's '200 Years Together' w/ Dr. Matthew Raphael Johnson - Part 34

Episode Date: May 14, 2025

61 MinutesPG-13Dr. Matthew Raphael Johnson is a researcher, writer, and former professor of history and political science, specializing in Russian history and political ideology.Pete and Dr. Johnson continue a project in which Pete reads Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's '200 Years Together," and Dr' Johnson provides commentary.Dr Johnson's PatreonRusJournal.orgTHE ORTHODOX NATIONALISTDr. Johnson's Radio Albion PageDr. Johnson's Books on AmazonDr. Johnson's Pogroms ArticlePete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's SubstackPete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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I want to welcome everyone back to part 34 of our reading of Alexander Solzhenycin's 200 years together. How are you doing today, Dr. Johnson? I came across something. I want to I accidentally came across and I watched an episode of 90-day fiancé. And at a minimum, I guess I could say that I feel much better about my youthful mistakes in that department. You know, the terrible mistakes I made back then. It's almost unwatchable only for the secondhand embarrassment, cringe elements of it. You know, it is, it is, it's like, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, eating a super hot pepper.

I don't know why people just like to suffer, but we do. And I watch the whole thing, and I don't think I'm ever going to be the same again. The whole thing about like secondhand embarrassment and cringe is there's a show called, It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. And there are parts of it that I can watch, but there's so much secondhand where you're just like, you're embarrassed for these people to the point where it's like, I can't watch this. It's uncomfortable to watch this. I am very sensitive to cringe. I actually know how to use the word properly. I'm very sensitive to secondhand embarrassment in public or on screen. I can't take it

sometimes. And this show will test your limits in that department. Fans of the office know about Scott's Tots or Phyllis's wedding. They know how Scott's Tots is almost totally unwelcome. with Steve Carell in the office, even when you know it's coming. But this, this has raised the bar or lowered it, as a case may be, to the point where it's like getting calluses on your hands, except I don't, it just cuts me to the bone. I feel much better about my youthful mistakes with women. All right. Picking up where we left off. In the first days of May, a month after the events, an information campaign, but also one of intoxication about the program,

out in the Russian press as well as in the European and American ones. In Petersburg, fanatical articles spoke of assassinations of mothers and infants, of rape, sometimes of underage girls, sometimes of women under the eyes of their husbands, or their father and mother. There was talk of torn tongues, a man was ripped open, a woman's head was pierced with nails driven in by the nostrils. Less than a week had elapsed when these horrifying details appeared in the papers of the West. Western public opinion gave it full credence. The influential Jews in England relied on these fabrications

and included them word for word in their public protest. Should we repeat, no evidence of abuse or rape was observed on the bodies. Due to a new wave of newspaper articles, forensic pathologists were asked to submit supplementary reports. The doctor of the city health service named Frankl, who had examined the bodies in the Jewish cemetery, and another named Chorba, who had received the dead and wounded in the hospital in the Kishniv-Zemstva between 5 p.m., the second day after the Passover, and noon the third day, and then at the Jewish hospital, and the Dr. Vasiliev, who had carried out an autopsy on 35 corpses, all attested the absence of torture, traces of torture or violence on the bodies described in the newspapers. It was later learned at the trial that Dr. Doroshevsky, the one who it was thought had supplied these frightening reports, had seen nothing of these atrocities and declined any responsibility for the publication of the tabloids. As for the prosecutor of the Criminal Chamber of Odessa, he had, in reply to a question from La Pukin regarding the rapes, secretly conducted his

own investigation. The accounts of the families of the victims themselves did not confirm any case of rape, the concrete cases in the expertise are positively excluded. But who paid attention to the examinations and conclusions of the doctors? Who cares about the prosecutor's specific research? All these documents may remain turning yellow in cabinet files. Remember what journalism is? Journalism has never really been an honorable profession. Journalists have no obligation to tell anyone the truth. They have no obligation to educate anybody. Their job is to create a story, emphasis on the word create, to find an angle. They have to hook the reader and bring the reader in. Now, of course, these days, they have to do that and promote the leftist agenda, especially

if they're coming out of the Columbia School of journalism. That's their purpose and conservatives are so naive. They'll read a terrible article, biased article. And I said, we need to, you need to be a journalist. You need to be objective. Like the guy who wrote it doesn't know that he's, he's not objective. Like, he needs to be told by you that, you know, they're well aware of what they're doing. That's what, that's what journalism is. It's not yellow journal. This is normal. to this day you have people who believe that the Tiananmen Square massacre occurred in 1989. It didn't.

NBC had to finally admit it. The press reports were almost identical to this. The same kind of language and in fact none of them were eyewitnesses. The Chilean embassy, I think, and the Spanish embassy he could see the square and said nothing like this happened. More Chinese soldiers were killed.

They lost almost 100 armored vehicles somehow. But, you know, the average, they still hold to this. It's about creating a story. In this case, it's about creating a story and promoting the interests of the Jews. Because, like no other group, they can weaponize this kind of suffering. And they knew that, you know, a normal man, even a soldier in wartime, doesn't just randomly rate people. A normal guy doesn't just start shooting kids, I mean, like little kids, unless there's drugs involved or something. It doesn't happen.

So when you read about it, it's conceivable. You need a lot of evidence that something like this happened, even in wartime conditions. and if you're raping somebody, you don't do it in public, you know, in front of people. And that's what's being implied with all of this. And it's the same list of crimes for any number of lurid news stories coming out today. It could be about Burma, could be about China, could be about the Taliban and Afghanistan. This is what journalism does. and that's why it was always very exciting for the Jews

because this is a central part of their neurotic essence of creating this kind of thing because not only does everyone want to read about these lurid things but it promotes their interests and you know but and I've said the same thing a hundred times this stuff as it says right here in this paragraph was taken by the Western press

Word for word, no question. No, you know, did this really happen? You know, all these biased sources. No one cares. And to this day, it's in the history textbooks with the addition of that the government was behind it, the monarchy was behind it. And one of the reasons that it, they say this is that it justifies in their minds the Jewish takeover of the U.S.S.R. in killing Christians. Gary Hamburg from Notre Dame is one of the worst,

just absolutely conformist. He says there were no Jews in the takeover of the USSR. Oh, well, there were, but the only reason they kill Christians is because of official anti-Semitism. This is a kind of mentality. You know, even if he read something, like, even if he read Solzoned Nietzsson's book, he couldn't you know it's not going to change his mind most of the time these guys younger guys don't

have access to any of this it's all censored in their world um and it's too expensive professionally to to talk like this he said that you know it's like his virtual signal or his i used to call it membership card see i'm harmless i'm with you i'm going to say something like this in public so you You all may, you know, leave me alone. Being a white male, of course, he has no choice. But this is what journalism is at its core. There's always been good journalists out there. But that's despite what journalism actually is, not because of it.

I can't remember who said it a few years ago when conservatives were touting this line that the media is biased. And someone said, the media is not biased. they have an agenda is a big difference. Yeah, like, only if they hear, yeah, if I tell them to be more objective, they'll go, oh, my God, I didn't realize what I was doing. Yeah, they're well aware of this. And, of course, they're not allowed to talk about the Jews because they're conservatives. So they'll end up with this impotent rage.

Sometimes they take it out on people like us. But, you know, I've been dealing with conservatives my whole life. I was a conservative my first couple years in college, and then I, I wasn't anymore but yeah these are the same people who say that you know Hitler was financed by by big business in the West

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Trump on Dunebiog, Kush Farage. All that the witnesses had not confirmed, all that Keralenko had not related, the authorities did not have the presence of mine to refuse. it. And all these details spread throughout the world and took the form of a fact in public opinion, which they were to remain throughout the 20th century, and which they will probably still be throughout the whole of the 21st century, cold, frozen, stowed forever in the name of Russia. However, Russia for many years now, but with increasing acuteness, knew a mad, deadly distortion between civil society and the government. It was a struggle to the death. For the

the liberal and radical circles, and even more so for the revolutionaries, any incident true or false, discrediting the government was a blessing. And for them, everything was permitted, any exaggeration, any distortion, any makeup of facts. The important thing was to humiliate power as severely as possible. For the Russian radicals, a pogrom of this gravity was a chance in their fight. Now that's what journalism is. That's what their job is. They want someone in power. and the minute these people, this has occurred all over the world, you have screaming and yelling about a lack of press freedoms or state media, then minute their friends take over,

the first thing they do is clamp down on the press. Nowhere is that more evident than in today's Ukraine. It's essentially a one-party state. There's a few party, but they all say the same thing. And it's a prison sentence, or worse, you get drafted if you even slightly deviate from that line. It's totalitarian. But again, that's perfectly consistent with postmodern liberalism.

And as far as the State Department is concerned, and almost every corporation and almost every professor at every university, that's also consistent with progress, democracy, liberal democracy, and the future. The government resolved to forbid all publication in the newspaper, papers concerning the pogrom, but it was a blunder. For the rumors were re-echoed with greater force by the European and American press. All the rantings escalated with even more impunity, exactly as if there had never been any police report. And here it was. The Great Offensive launched against the government of the Tsar. The Bureau for the Defense of the Jews sent telegrams

to all the capitals, organized protest meetings everywhere. A member of the Bureau wrote, we have communicated the details of the atrocities in Germany, France, England, the United States. The impression that our information caused was shattering. In Paris, Berlin, London, and New York, there were protest meetings in which speakers painted a frightening picture of the crimes committed by the Tsarist government. Here he is, they thought, the Russian bear as it has been since down the dawn of time. These atrocities shocked the world, and now without any restraint, the police and soldiers had by all means assisted the assassins and the plunderers in perpetrating these inhuman acts. The cursed autocracy has marked itself with an indelible stigma.

In meetings, they stigmatized a new plan of czarism, premeditated by it. In the synagogues of London, they accused the Holy Synod of having committed this killing due to religious inspiration. Some of the hierarchs of the Catholic Church also declared the disapproval. but it was by far the European and American press that showed themselves as being the most virulent, notably the press tycoon William Hurst, we accuse the Tsarist power of being responsible for the massacre of Kishiniv. We declare that his guilt in this Holocaust is total. It is before his door and in front of any other that the victims of this violence are exposed. May the God of Justice descend here below to finish with Russia as he has finished with Sodom and Gomorrah.

and let him evacuate this pestilential focus from the face of the earth. The killing of Kishinau surpasses insolent cruelty all that has ever been recorded in any civilized nation, including one must believe the extermination of the Jews in medieval Europe. This is, you know, it's, I sound like a broken record sometimes with this. I'm pretty sure I mentioned William Randolph Hearst, the last show, as being, violently anti- anti-Russian, not Russian government or Russia as such.

And this is why the white armies never got a penny from the Entente, never got a bullet, never got a shell, never got anything from them. The intervention, of course, was to try to reopen the front against the Germans.

And when the war was over, to protect Western investments, especially in the southern part of the country where the French moved in. They could have annihilated the Petersburg Soviet in 30 minutes, but they deliberately refused. And the reason is, and you could read Wilson and Woodrow Wilson and so many others at the time, that these monstrous anti-Semites are not civilized, man, we cannot have any Russian nationalists in power whatsoever. this is why they supported the Reds. This, or a big, you know, the non-economic reason why they didn't support the whites. This is why the money came in for the Reds.

This is why the West was heavily invested in the Soviet Union, right, right, really up until the end, but definitely in the 20s and 30s. Because the Tsar was gone. And the only time Woodrow Wilson ever had a problem with the revolutionary movement was if they, in his words started acting like a czar. And people can't tell the difference between being anti-Russian and being anti-Soviet. Russia was a imprisoned and exploited as a nation within the much larger Soviet Union. But this kind of language is typical of some people who are trying to get in good with the Jews. And he was, you know, William Randolph Hearst was a very powerful man.

And he had tremendous influence with his, you know, many papers that he controlled. That means that this kind of language had actual foreign policy implications. This kind of garbage that was spewing out from London and every city in America, the newspapers, is one of the main reasons, one of many, but one of the main reasons, why the West rejoiced at the fall of the monarchy and the installation of the Bolshevik government.

The white government or the Kerenzki government was too weak for them, but the Reds were perfect, they're strong, but they're anti-Russian. The treaty, of course, was of breast was absolute evidence of that. this is why they backed the Bolsheviks.

I really doubt that in, I'm almost positive, that at the time there was almost nobody in the Western world who knew what Leninism was, who could tell you what Bolshevism was, you know, I guess at the time of the revolution from 17 to say, you know, Lenin's death in 1925, really understood it.

They knew that Russians are barbaric, anti-Semites and therefore anything that hurt them is good for us. And that really began with the Crimean War. The Jews, of course, floored it. I mean, just redlined it. And the Russophobic stuff went away during the Soviet era. I mean, conservatives, you know, the neocons had their own problems with it. Turned out to be anti-but.

But it was anti-Russian, not anti. not anti-Sovian. The only time all of a sudden there's sanctions and war and threats was when Putin rebuilt the country on a very different basis from the Soviet Union. So much of my career has been based

on getting that out to the world, but I don't know if even intellectuals have the conceptual apparatus to process it. You know, once a fact, and Solzhenitsyn kind of says it, he implies it that once a fact is accepted, like he said, frozen, just becomes, you know, undoubted,

and then is used to build other arguments, other theories. That is, that's going to be etched in people's minds forever. You know, the Tiananmen Square is one very nasty example. something that simply didn't happen and of course back then we didn't have the internet that was about a year that was around the time I decided I was going to do this for a living roughly it was Chalchescu's murder that got me that made my mind up this was just before that and you know how many years it took me

to realize wait a minute there's no actual eyewitnesses say it didn't happen they were inventing these things for a whole bunch of reason. But with the language of William Hart, you hear that same crap now, especially from Protestants, the evangelical types, the neocon types, and probably for the same reason. But of course, everything that your typical norming American believes about the world is a lie. Everything they believe about, especially in the political world, is a story.

It's a narrative someone has told them. I can't imagine living that way. I think that group is getting smaller. I think Trump has had some effect on that. That group is getting smaller. But being a normie is to, as I've said before, the U.S. has been in a sustained depression since 2008. Militarily, it is collapsing.

I've written so much on that. you could have the end of an empire, the collapse of an empire, the American empire, and Americans will have no idea that it's going on. That's how bad off they are intellectually. And this is the crap that showed you what this kind of journalism really is. Ready for huge savings? Well, mark your calendars from November 28 to 30th, because the Liddle Newbridge Warehouse sale is back.

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Alas, Jews more or less circumspect, more or less stunned, joined in the same assessment of the events. And not less than 30 years after the event, the respectable jurist G. Sliusberg retains the same details and publications of emigration, even though he himself never went to Kishinaev then or later. The nails planted in the head of the victim. He goes so far as attributing this information to the account of Koralenko and the rapes and the presence of several thousand soldiers, the modest garrison of Kishenev has never seen as many, who seemed to be there to protect the perpetrators of the pogrom. But Russia in the field of communication was inexperienced, unable to justify itself coherently, seeing it was still unaware of the methods used for this. Meanwhile, the so-called cold premeditation of the pogrom was not supported by any solid proof, none that was commensurate with the raging campaign,

and although lawyers Erudny had already closed his investigation, and firmly established that the chief organizer and the sponsor of the program was none other than the chief of the local Okrana, Baron Lewendahl. Even in this variant, the character of Lewendahl did not reach the government sufficiently, and it was necessary to draw a little more to reach the central power. The policy, you know, I said this before, but the monarchy at the time, almost given its nature, didn't understand the power of propaganda. they didn't understand what they were up against. You know, Alexander III, Nicholas I second, they knew the Jewish question very well, but they didn't know necessarily how it manifested.

So for them to ban in papers that they had any influence over, censorship was pretty much non-existent, no matter what the regime says. You had communist papers being published, things like that, to the extent they could banning any mention of that program. was the worst possible thing as solsteneiton says it was the dumbest thing instead of saying instead of putting out their position this is what happened we have no interest in a in massive almost civil war conditions according to them in places um that bring us a lot of money they can't afford to have this unstable

these were wealthy areas of the empire this these were the trading centers of the empire we can't have that disrupted this way they had no interest in it they never came out with any any evidence. It's just taken for granted. And you're an anti-Semite if you say otherwise. So for the state to say, I don't know if it was Zahar personally or someone else, banning any mention of this was probably the worst possible decision.

Anyone could make because the supporters of the monarchy now didn't want to go against them. And so they kept their mouth shut, which was incredibly stupid. But here we are. Six weeks after the program, in order to further stir up general indignation and to dishonor the key figure of power, one discovered, no one knows by whom, but very appropriately, an ultra-secret letter from the Minister of Interior Plov, to the Governor of Kishnev, von Robben, not a bulletin addressed to all the governors of the Pail of Settlement, no, but a letter addressed to him alone 10 days before the program, in which the minister, in rather evasive terms, gave advice. if serious disturbances occur in the province of Bessarabia, not to repress them by arms, but to use only persuasion. And now an individual, very timely there too, transmitted the text of this letter to an English correspondent in St. Petersburg, D.D. Brum, and the latter hastened to publish it in London in the times of 18 May, 1903.

A priori, what is the weight of a single publication in a single newspaper, which nothing corroborates, neither on the spot nor later, but it weighs as much as you want, enormously even. And in this case, the publication of the Times was supported by the protest of prominent British Jews with Montefiore at their head from an internationally known family. Thanks to the climate that rained throughout the world, this letter was a colossal success. The sanguinary intentions against the Jews of the universally aboard czarism, which had not yet been proved, were suddenly attested with supporting documents. Articles and meetings had a new upsurge throughout the world. On the third day after the publication, the New York Times pointed out that three days already that the letter was disclosed and no denial occurred, and the British press had already declared it to be authentic. What can we say about the level of civilization of a country of which a minister can give his signature, to such exactions. The Russian government, in its awkwardness and incomprehension of the gravity

of the matter, found nothing better to do nothing better than to negligently abandon a laconic deal signed by the head of the police department, A. Lupin Kien, and only on the ninth day after the scandalous publication of the Times, but instead of investigating the falsification, he simply settled on expelling Brahm from the territory. The letter, of course, is a forgery. But even if it was real, it's been a while since I've heard about it, it just said disturbances. It had nothing to do with where we need to start killing Jews here

or assisting the pogromics. They were talking about any kind of revolutionary disturbance. Even as a forgery, it's pretty vague. But because of this gag order that the state put on their own support, they couldn't answer it. And I love how the British press declared it to be authentic. Well, it was a complete

forgery, but this was like the fact checkers back then, claiming to have knowledge about this stuff. The press was in Jewish hands at the time in the West, a very, very strong presence, even in Russia itself. And this is when, you know,

this was, this and World War I, were the two things that the left revolution needed to even have a hope of being successful. One can argue with certainty that this was indeed a forgery for several reasons, not only because Brahm never exhibited any proof of the authenticity of the letter, not only because Lupinkind, the declared enemy of Plev, had himself denied this text, not only because Prince Eurisov, the great Jewish sympathizer who had succeeded von Robin and controlled the archival of the Governorate found no letter of Plev. Not only because poor Von Robben dismissed his life

and career broken, never, in his desperate efforts to restore his reputation, complained of having received instructions from above, which would have immediately restored his career and made him the idol of liberal society. The main reason lies in the fact that the state archives in Russia had nothing in common with the rigged archives of the Soviet era when any document was concocted upon request and others burned in secret. No, in the Russian archive, everything was preserved, inviably, and forever. Immediately after the February Revolution, an extraordinary commission of inquiry of the provisional government, and still more zealously, the special commission for the study of the history of the pogroms, with investigators as serious

as S. Dubnov, Krasny Admoni, did not find the document in Petersburg or Kishinev, nor its record, nor its record it upon entrance or exit. They found only the translubes. into the English of Brahms' English text, as well as papers containing indications of several punishment and dismissal, sanctioning any illegal actions by agents responsible for the Jewish question. Now, I've mentioned this before, but I believe this is the first time that Sultan-Eason has brought it up. The provisional government's very honest, general commission for investigation, they tried to cover everything. And, you know, going through the archives, going through everything.

Not just in this issue, but in many others. All the things that some of these same people, again, were accusing the monarchy, it turned out to be false. You know, the Rasputin issue, the Jewish question, so many other things, economic issues. And so the enemies of the monarchy were forced to, admit they didn't have to do this. But I guess they, you know, they wanted to be as thorough as possible. And of course, when the Reds took over, it was a different story. And forged documents

manipulated photograph. That was the Stalinist or the Soviets invented a lot of this. Nornburg is a classic example, the show trials, which were taken by Nuremberg as factual. you know, this was something the Soviets did extremely well. So, oh, and this is, so this is the letter that the British press declared authentic. It's absolutely there.

And yet, their allies eventually will say, between February and October, 1917, that it didn't exist and all the things that you're accusing the government of in this way, didn't exist either. You catch them in the corner of your eye. Distinctive, by design.

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was able to tell the story of where the immortal telegram had fallen or to boast of having acted as an

intermediary, and Bram himself, neither at the time nor later, didn't say a single word about it.

But this is an prevent the constitutional democratic newspaper wretch from writing with confidence on 19 March 1917, the bloodbath of Kishnev, the counter-revolutionary pogroms of 1905, were organized, as was definitely established by the police department. And in August 1917 at the Moscow State Conference, the president of the Special Commission of Inquiry publicly declared that he would soon present the police department's documents concerning the organization of anti-Jewish pogromes. But neither soon nor later, neither the commission nor subsequent, the Bolsheviks exhibited any document of this kind. Thus, the lion crusted itself, practically up to now.

In my November 16th, one of the characters evokes the pogrom of Kishnav, and in 1986, the German publisher adds an explanatory note in this regard stating anti-Jewish program carefully prepared, which lasted two days. the minister of the Interior Plyv had conjured the governor of Bessarabia in the event of a pogrom not to use firearms. In the recent Jewish encyclopedia in 1996, we read this statement. In April 1903, the new Minister of Interior Plev organized with his agents a pogrom in Kishnav. Paradoxically, we read in the previous tomb, the text of Plev's telegram published in the Times of London is held by most scholars as being a fake. Well, yeah, as to whether anyone listens to them, it's simply, it's inconvenient for it to be a fake. Reality is what the system says is reality. There's a million, we could all, we all have our favorite examples of ridiculous forgeries and fakes and lies that have become just, you know, alleged common knowledge in the world.

Clearly, you could tell Solton Eaton is, is extremely upset as you should be because so many, so much in foreign policy, in the West or even domestic policy of the Reds came from this. But notice that in this Jewish drive, I mean almost obsession to implicate the government in this. In other words, you know, they're not exactly upset about it. They needed a program and they're trying to connect the government to it. They had one document which doesn't exist. I've heard about it. I've heard about what the letter allegedly said. said, never heard anyone saying, well, protect the pogromists, as I said before. You know, now it says, don't use firearms. So, and that's, but, and if you go to, on a university campus, maybe right now,

the Jewish student union, or even just a regular lecture, you will hear this same lie repeated for the nine millionth time. And it had a huge input, what the Jews were doing was what the Jews were doing was what the revolutionary movement was doing. Creating a cohesive Jewish revolutionary organization that's going to murder the czar and take their revenge on the black hundreds and the clergy

and everything. You try and kind of get to clergy in here is even more hilarious. Something tells me that this wasn't the only forgery that the regime was promoting at the time. The left was promoting at the time. but even when you have a full commission from the provisional government saying it didn't exist, none of this stuff is the way you think they were essentially rejecting their own revolution. At least some of their scholars were.

And then of course it didn't matter because the Reds took over shortly thereafter. And then a Sultan-Eason says they purged everything. So now a historian has to piece things together. The other one, of course, was the abdication of Zarn Nicholas. That's a forgery, too. In my book on the murder of Zar Nicholas, I have a very detailed argument as to how we know that it's a, it's a forgery.

So Nicholas was surrounded by traitors, just like a lot of great leaders are. This was a time, you know, the Jews have, have so many methods of getting their way and promoting their agenda. And this is an early manifestation of how they could use something that they create

this kind of suffering and weaponize it and create an entire historical school and foreign policy and domestic policy and everything else based on things that didn't happen or at least didn't happen the way they're saying it happened. Again, the average, even the average well-educated, norming American, everything he believes about the world is a lie.

And here, the false story of the Kishinau program made much more noise than the real, cruel, and authentic one. Will the point be made one day, or will it take yet another hundred years? The incompetence of the Tsarist government, the decrepitude of its power, had manifested itself on various occasions. In Transcaucasia, for example, during the killing spree between the Armenians and Azeris, but the government was declared guilty only in the affair of Kishiniv. The Jews, wrote D. Pasmanek, have never imputed the pogrom to the people. They have always accused the power in the administration exclusively.

No facts could ever shake this opinion. a furthermore perfectly superficial opinion. And Beekerman emphasized that it was a matter of public knowledge that pogroms were for the government a form of struggle against a revolution. More circumspect minds reason thus. If in the recent pogroms no technical preparation by the power is attested, the state of mind which reigns in St. Petersburg is such that any virulent Judeo-phobe will find among the authorities, from the minister to the last sergeant of town, a benevolent attitude towards. him. Yet the Kishiniv trial, which took place in the autumn of 1903, showed exactly the opposite. For the liberal and radical opposition, this trial was to be transformed into a battle against the autocracy. We're sent as civil parties eminent lawyers, Jews and Christians.

A bunch of names here I'm not going to pronounce. The brilliant left-wing advocate B. Perez-Ver-Zev and a few others joined as defenders of the accused so that they would not be afraid to tell the court, who had prompted them to start the carnage, to clarify, to say that it was the power that had armed them. The civil parties demanded the further investigation be carried out and that the real culprits should be placed on the stand. The authorities did not publish a transcript so as not to exacerbate the passions in the city of Kishina, nor those already white-hot of world opinion. Things were all the easier. The squad of activists who surrounded the civil parties made their own reports and sent them through the world via Romania for public.

publication. This, however, did not modify the course of the trial. The killer's faces were scrutinized, but the culprits were undoubtedly the authorities. Guilty only, it is true, of not having intervened in a timely manner. At that point, the group of lawyers split a collective statement stating, if the court refuses to bring to justice and punish the main culprits of the pogrom, that is, not some ordinary Governor von Robin. He no longer interested anyone, but indeed Minister Plev himself and the central government of Russia, they will have nothing more to do with this trial. For they encountered such hostility on the part of the court that it gave them no possibility to defend freely and in conscience the interests of their clients as well as those of justice.

This new tactic of the lawyers, which constituted a purely political approach, proved to be quite fertile and promising. It made a great impression on the whole world. The actions of the lawyers has been approved by all the best minds in Russia. The older I get, the more I realize that the left, in general, Marxist, anarchist, you know, anywhere in there, their approach to public opinion is based on deceit. Without deceit, without hiding their true intentions, without making up stories, they don't have much. I don't know if you've had this experience, but whenever I'm debating a leftist social media, for example, everything that they say tends to, it tends to degenerate into them saying, well, this is what the establishment says.

This is what science says or this is what the press says. This is what everyone knows to be true. In other words, their entire argument is based on authority, which of course is a fallacy. and it's based on the press being correct. Well, most of the time it's not. For the same reasons, I said at the beginning of this show, they have no obligation to educate you. That's not what a journalist does.

They have no obligation to tell you the truth. Their obligation is to excite you, to entertain you. They could say whatever they want. So now we'll get to the verdict here, the court. But the point he's trying to make is that it doesn't matter what the verdict of the court is. The Western press is still going to hold the government responsible. If you remember in 1992, it was striking to me, the Rodney King beating. I watched that when it first aired.

Now, of course, they trimmed it and edited it later. I've read Stacey Coon's book, The Cop, One of the Cops, that no one else, the book that no one else would want to publish. Right-wing publication, publishing house did it. The story of that beating, just like, you know, in 2020, George Floyd, bears no related, the truth of that bears no relation to what the press says. There's no relation to what public opinion says about it. Overwhelmingly, it's a made-up story. And then when the cops were acquitted, rightfully so, the city of L.A. went up in flames. This is the power of journalism.

If it wasn't for the media, inventing this story, they would have been no riot. They knew that they were inventing the story because they kept editing and altering the video itself. So this is, even though this was in its infancy, maybe the French Revolutionaries did something similar. It's still happening today. this is why I say the state media in various places like Sanae and Syria doesn't exist anymore they were an absolutely necessary counterweight to people like this state media sometimes is the only way

and they're very critical of governments they do it all the time state media might be the only only way that an official position would ever be put out let alone understood So that's why it exists. And again, I think the gag order is still in effect that supporters of the monarchy wouldn't be or were not permitted to talk about it. And so that meant that the floor was given over to the Jews in the left. And these stories got more and more lurid as the years went on and are being taught to this day.

The trial before the criminal division of Odessa was now proceeding in order. The prognostications of Western newspapers that the trial of Kishnev was only a masquerade, a parody of justice were not confirmed in any way. The accused, in view of their number, had to be divided into several groups according to the gravity of the charge. As mentioned above, there were no Jews among the accused. The chief of the gendarme of the province had already announced in April that out of 816 people arrested, 250 had been dismissed for inconsistency of the charges against them. 446 had immediately been the subject of judicial decisions as evidence in the times, and persons convicted by the court had been sentenced to the heaviest penalties. About 100 were seriously charged, including 36 accused of murder and rape.

In November, they will be 37. In December, the same chief of the gendarme announced the results of the trial. Deprivation of rights, property, and penal colony, seven years or five years, deprivation of rights in disciplinary battalion, one year and one and a half years. In all, 25 convictions and 12 acquittals, the real culprits of real crimes had been condemned, the ones we have described. The condemnations, however, were not tender. The drama of Kishnav ends on a usual contradiction in Russia.

In Kishnav, criminals seemed to be subjected to a rigorous judicial repression. The American Jewish yearbook stated astonished. In the spring of 1904, the Cassation proceedings in Petersburg were made public, and in 1905, the Kishina program was once again examined in the Senate. Winiver took the floor to prove nothing new. In reality, the affair of the Kishina program had inflicted a hard lesson on the Tsarist government by revealing to it that a state that tolerates such infamy is a scandalously impotent state. But the lesson would have been equally clear without poisonous falsifications or false additions.

Why did the simple truths about Kishina's program seem insufficient? Presumably because the truth would have reflected the true nature of the government, a sclerotic organization, guilty of bullying the Jews, but which remained unsteady and incoherent. However, with the aid of lies, it was represented as a wise prosecutor, infinitely sure of himself, and evil. Such an enemy could only deserve annihilation. The Russian government, which for a long time already had been largely surpassed on the international stage, did not understand, either on the spot nor afterwards, what a shocking defeat it had just wiped out there.

This pogrom soiled a stinking stain on all of Russian history, all the ideas that the world had of Russia as a whole. The sinister gleam of fire projected by it announced and precipitated the upheavals which were soon to shake the country. So with all of this, with the absolute refusal, I mean, as I've said a hundred times before, the Jews were organized, they were well-armed. they had their own militias in these cities. They were usually the instigator.

In my paper on the subject, I go in great detail, where they were the instigators of a lot of this. There usually were, well, actually, always more Russian bodies than anybody else. They convicted 25 of all of this. And again, it doesn't really matter. because the press in the West and the local press just said what it wanted. But I like this section here, and you hear about that a lot today, that the Western media, actually is a quote here,

the trial of Kishcheon would only be a masquerade a parody of justice. The West does this all the time with elections in places that they know they're going to lose, Russia or Belarus despite the fact that they have hundreds of observers all over the place. Same thing for the Syrian elections, with hundreds of observers all over the place. So they were almost like handicapping

themselves. In case something goes wrong, well, it doesn't matter anyway. But before it even started, they said this is going to be a masquerade. This is a call from the Western media for revolution. The Western media, does he

exact same thing today in Russia in other places. You know, the West condemns elections in place in some place like Belarus weeks before it actually happens. It's just a fill in the blank. It's all the same thing over and over again, same accusations, which is a lot of projection, but it's the same thing over and over again. There's no difference. The left's functions has functioned this way. Journalists functioned this way for many, many years. There's nothing special about our about our age except now it's far more cohesive and the technology is beyond belief which means that our job what we do is absolutely critical because we are the island of sanity in the midst of lies and manipulation yeah that's what we do it's a little bit

you know, I'm not even being dramatic. That's actually what we do. Can you imagine believing everything that the press says, how moronic you'd end up sounding? And he also mentions the American Jewish Yearbook. How do you have an anti-Semitic country that convicted 25 peoples of violence during the program? We don't even know what they were doing.

They probably took advantage of what was going on. It's not like these were, these were activists. These could have been anybody. The people that the police were able to arrest. But people also don't really. We've talked about this before. The lack of a real police department,

the lack of a prison system. You know, Russia was still a medievalist type of older empire. And not a country. like, you know, France was. Austria was kind of like that, too. Turkey was sort of like that. It was an empire, not a country, and had a very different understanding of what politics is

and how different ethnic groups relate to the center. I've written about that since I was 20. So a lot of the contradictions in, like, you know, American Jewish yearbook, you know, they were, they were, well, the government's involved, but they arrested their own people and convicted 25 of them.

So as he says, they're astonished. Of course, it's a contradiction, but it doesn't matter. The overwhelming thrust of everything coming out of Russia and then accepted without criticism at all. And certainly, Hearst was already on board. He didn't care. He's going to publish any nonsense. He wasn't a Jew.

Jewish owners of the press were doing the exact same thing. there were, you know, protests, you know, violence outside of the court, which doesn't make any sense if you know what a court is. You know, trying to force a conviction by intimidation, which happened after Charlottesville. You know, this kind of thing, it's nothing new. And clearly with 25 convictions, the state, you know, the state had absolutely nothing to do with it.

The state hated it. The state was opposed to all of this. And so far, from the very beginning of us dealing with this book, the state has spent a fortune on the Jews, the land settlements, the tax of forgiveness. While this is a thanks that they get, and these pogroms have to be concocted in the Jewish mind, because this is the only way in an economy that's doing extremely well,

which it was at the time, for the peasants were the overwhelming owners of the land. You know, again, I said this way, the taxes are low. The standard of living is high. Cost of living is low. Wages were the highest in Europe. All of this. Tremendous economic growth.

Tremendous population growth. How do we get a revolution out of that? And with the Jews as a core, they needed to create these, you know, they don't have a scandal, they have to invent it. And that's pretty much what they did. That's what they've done. They're doing it to this, you know, to this day. Almost everything out of the mouth of the media and the left is based on some myth,

some story that they've been told. Can we scroll back to the bottom of page 196? I wanted to ask you about the last sentence on that page. It says, and here, the false story of the Kishina. program was made much more noise than the real, cruel, an authentic one. Is he talking about just the actual events

that happened, or what's he talking about there? Well, there was violence there. There was anti-Jewish violence. There was anti-Russian violence. Of course, it's cruel almost by its very definition. You know, this is based entirely on Jewish behavior. Of course, cruelty exists in any kind of civic unrest, no matter what it is, you're going to find cruelty, even if we agree with it.

But if the truth had been let out, it wouldn't have, would have had near the impact that they're invented stories. Anything of course it was cruel. You know, it shouldn't have happened. You imagine if these same people lived in America today, what they would do. compared to them. I mean, this was a picture of health in society compared to 2025 in the U.S. You know, I don't believe in violence, but we see what the, what the Tsarist government attempted to do, and it didn't matter. It was never enough. They simply took advantage of it.

And yeah, there's going to be anti-Jewish acts. but nothing rapes and all this stuff organized by the state nothing like they claimed and that's what got into the Western media you know anything like this is going to have cruelty and nastiness to it

and and unfair it affects people unfairly but that's what happens when you when you have a hundred commissions I want to do about a problem none of it actually solves it as we're reading through this and you read about the, you know, what they say happened in the programs.

I remember on October 7th, after October 7th, when the story started coming out, I was just like, you know, we've heard this all before. And then if you go back and you like read before October 7th, if you went back and read what they were saying happened in the programs, you're like, we've heard this all before. It's just, it's, they're basically telling the same story over and over again, And they, it's the same atrocities over and over again. Yeah, same language, the same language, the same treatment of the centers.

You would think what? You would think for people who, you know, do so much writing and fiction in Hollywood and everything that they would be able to come up with something new. Oh, yeah. It's like, it's like when the Russia gate came out, I said, you know, the regime has, the ruling class has the CIA, every university, every corporate. And that's what they come up with. It's almost deliberately stupid.

It's like the ISIS nonsense. They deliberately created a Hollywood bad guy type organization wearing black in the desert. You know, out in the open with oil tankers. They're trying to make it as stupid as they possibly can. I guess they're seeing how far they can go. you know, these stories and the only people who can't see a pattern are American academics. And it's their job to see a pattern. It's their job to go beyond, to reject journalism and go

to the core of the matter. That's a very good way of explaining what a scholar is supposed to do. And that's why today the words academic and scholar don't mean the same thing. All right. Well, we'll come back on the next episode and we'll be starting chapter nine, which is titled, during the revolution of 1905. I wonder how many people are realizing there was a revolution in 1905. All right. Everyone, please go to the show notes and go to wherever the video is.

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