The Pete Quiñones Show - Reading Solzhenitsyn's '200 Years Together' w/ Dr Matthew Raphael Johnson - Part 48

Episode Date: June 28, 2025

46 MinutesPG-13Dr. Matthew Raphael Johnson is a researcher, writer, and former professor of history and political science, specializing in Russian history and political ideology.Pete and Dr. Johnson continue a project in which Pete reads Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's '200 Years Together," and Dr' Johnson provides commentary.Dr Johnson's PatreonRusJournal.orgTHE ORTHODOX NATIONALISTDr. Johnson's Radio Albion PageDr. Johnson's Books on AmazonDr. Johnson's Pogroms ArticlePete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's SubstackPete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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Everything's there. I want to welcome everyone back to part 48 of our reading of 200 years together by Alexander Solzhenison. Dr. Johnson. How are you today? You know, if you ever feel stupid or useless, just go to any documentary about the Afghan National Army. I just, I stumbled across one from Vice, which is useless normally, but it's really funny how these guys are all high. They're all illiterate. They drop their weapons of run at the tiniest thing, even when they're not being shot at.

And, and, you know, it really, it boosts your self-esteem. I've always been very pro-Taliban in general, given the state of the country, and just to have them take over once the Americans were, they were defeated and pushed out, I think it was, what, 10 minutes before the government fell, 15 minutes, just kind of walked in. So if you're ever feeling low or depressed, just go right to the documentaries,

and you're going to feel like an MMA guy by comparison. I have a friend here who actually trained some of them. He said, first of all, they're not athletic at all. They can't do jumping jacks. That was a funny one, yeah. Yeah, they can't do jumping jacks. He also said that you don't want to discuss over a meal what they do with each other on Thursday nights. Yeah, well, and that's the more serious thing.

I wrote on that years ago, and the Americans were told to just look the other way. The Taliban, of course, shot these guys for that reason, among others. This is why they're the most popular force in the country. But it's just I've never come across this level of incompetence before. And to hear presidents talking about how strong they are, it just, you know, it makes you feel better about yourself. This is a mental health. This is a mental health issue here. You ever have that problem?

All right, let's get into it. Picking up we left off last time. Stullipin, who imprinted its direction, gave its light and name to the decade before the First World War. All the while, he was the object of furious attacks on part of both the cadets and the extreme right, when deputies of all ranks dragged him in the mud because of the law of the Zemstva, reform in the Western provinces was assassinated September 1911. The first head of the Russian government to have honestly raised and attempted to resolve, in spite of the Emperor's resistance, the question of equality for the Jews fell, irony of history,

under the blows of a Jew. Such as the fate of the Middle Way. Seven times attempts had been made to kill Szilipan, and it was revolutionary groups more or less numerous that had fermented the attacks in vain. Here it was an isolated individual who pulled it off. Well, it just goes to show, I mean, such as a fate of the middle way. And it's true, he satisfied absolutely nobody. And for all of his philosemitic talk,

and I knew what happened to him as we're reading before, and I said, oh, should I spoil it for people who don't know? And yeah, they eventually killed him. They would have killed him anyway, who was given his high position. He certainly was under attack. But this just makes it more bizarre because of his kind of semi-liberalism. He wasn't a liberal, but he leaned in that direction and was always telling Nicholas to go easy on the Jews and stuff like that. Apparently, he had learned nothing from Russian history.

And unfortunately, he had to learn in the hardest possible way. At a very young age, Bogroff did not have sufficient intellectual maturity to understand the political importance of Stalepin's role. But from his childhood, he had witnessed the daily and humiliating consequences of the inequality of the Jews and his family, his milieu, his own experience, cultivated his hatred for imperial power. In the Jewish circles of Kiev, which seemed ideologically mobile, no one was grateful to Stolipen. for his attempts to lift the restrictions imposed on the Jews, and even if this feeling had touched some of the better off, it was counterbalanced by the memory of the energetic way in which he had repressed the revolution of 1905, 1906, as well as by the discontent with his efforts to nationalize credit in order to openly compete with private capital.

The Jewish circles in Kiev, but also in Petersburg, where the future murderer had also stayed, were under the magnetic influence of a field of absolute radicalism, which led young Bogrof not only to feel entitled, but to consider it his duty to kill Stilipan. The field was so powerful that it allowed the following combination. Bogrov Sr. rose in society. He is a capitalist who prospers in the existing system. Bogroff Jr. works at destroying the system. and his father after the attack publicly declares that he is proud of him.

In fact, Bogroff was not isolated. He was discreetly applauded in the circles which once manifested their unwavering fidelity to the regime. Well, that's what these people are. Even those who pretended to be patriotic Jews, you know, these were mostly wealthy people, especially in Kiev. Bogrov, which doesn't strike me as immediately as a Jewish name, but he certainly was. his father who had done for these Jews all had done very well the revolutionary movement was all from at least middle class capitalist

and again whether whether he was smart enough or or mature enough to understand the ideology here it really didn't matter he did what you know many Jewish leftists were trying to do seven attempts before this now I notice that you paused ever so slightly when you talked about the nationalization of credit, which had been going on long before Stilipin. The thing being, this has been going on at least since Alexander, Alexander the second and Alexander III, trying to compete with private capital. It wasn't just Jewish capital here.

There were other sources, but to a great extent it was, and the state was the only entity powerful enough to make that happen. And of course, the interest rates, if they existed at all, were very low. The peasant land banks had been around for a long time at this point. He just wanted it to increase. So the very fact that people who had somehow, did they, you know, Jews didn't support the system, but they were condemning radicalism. These were also the same people who said how wonderful he was when he shot Stalipin. So you can't even trust them in that department.

We have a lot of these patriotic Jews in the U.S. today, and we know where they come from. They come from the neocon movement, almost really there to be able, the Gentiles to say, see, they're not all leftists, not really understanding what their purpose is. They do come from the left. They came from an anti-Soviet faction, a Jewish anti-Soviet faction against Stalin. they invented the myth of Stalin's anti-Semitism, etc. And, you know, if there was any movement against them, you see how radical they would become very quickly.

And so many of them have taken over, you know, 11, you know, these type of guys taken over the mainstream conservative movement, largely, or the, you know, the neocon movement, largely for the sake of Israel. The only reason they're there, you know, they'll say something about, you know, They don't like the trannies or something like that. Like, what's his name? That little midget. I can't think of his name.

Ben Shapiro. Ben Shapiro. You know, he'll say one or two things about that. And that somehow makes him a right winger. But he's really there when it comes to Israel, making sure that, like a whip in Congress, he's there to make sure that everyone falls in line, which is getting harder and harder these days. This, this, um, Bogrove thing teaches us a lot about what even the so-called good Jews were. You always had exceptions, but they really didn't matter. And I know I've said this many times,

but the very fact that the Bolsheviction, other Jewish revolutionary movements came from the upper classes. I don't know why Solzhenitsyn is talking about this humiliation. I mean, everyone's, you know, humiliated at one time or another. You know, you go to the DMV for five minutes. You know, it certainly wasn't a collective matter here. the restrictions didn't stop them from becoming very wealthy. In fact, it may have helped them in many ways. So this episode tells us a lot about Russian Jews and what they were eventually going to do in October of 1917.

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Give the gift of a unique experience this Christmas with vouchers from Trump-Dunbeg. Search Trump-Ireland gift vouchers. Trump on Dunbioghush Farage. Yeah, that Ben Shapiro character is a particular... You can learn a lot from him in that he made his bones attacking identity politics while being a Zionist. And not mentioning that Jews were the ones that gave us identity politics and they brag about it. Yeah, I mean, no one's worse than Jordan Peterson. And the two of them are kind of mentioned a lot in the same breath.

And I think their purpose really is to channel any kind of, they'll say once in a while, they'll say something against the fags or they'll say something against the trannies. But for the most part, you know, their purpose is to support Israel, to support the wars, to condemn racism, as Peterson does all the time. You know, they're paid a lot of money to channel the raids of white people into what they would consider more productive areas. And you see, you had a lot of that even back then. Nothing seems to change. Yeah.

Just as another aside, they're freaking out on Twitter. Jews are freaking out on Twitter because a Muslim Marxist got elected mayor of New York. No one can get elected mayor of New York without having the Jewish vote. You're guessing as good as mine. I haven't really been following, but yeah, yeah, it should be. Yeah, onward. This gunshot that put an end to the hope that Russia, ever recovered its health could have been equally fired at the Tsar himself, but Bogrov had decided that

it was impossible for, as he declared himself, quote, it might have led to the persecution against the Jews, unquote, to have damaging consequences on their legal position. While the prime minister would simply not have such effects, he thought, but he was deceived heavily when he imagined that his act would serve to improve the lot of the Jews of Russia. And Menshikov himself, who had first reproached Stilippin with the concessions he had made to the Jews, now lamented as disappearance. Our great men, our best political leader, for a century and a half, assassinated. And the assassin is a Jew, a Jew who did not hesitate to shoot the Prime Minister of Russia.

The gunshot of Kiev must be considered as a warning signal. The situation is very serious. But we must not cry revenge, but finally decide to resist. I'm not sure what that line means. But not cry revenge, but decide to resist what? Resist the urge to avenge him? Or to resist the left, to resist the Jews? I don't know what that means.

It doesn't seem to make any sense. And what happened then in Kiev, the reactionary, where the Jews were so numerous? In the first hours after the attack, they were. massively seized with panic and began to leave the city. Moreover, the Jews were struck with terror not only in Kiev, but in the most remote corners of the palest settlement and of the rest of Russia. The club of Russian nationalists expressed its intention to circulate a petition to drive out all the Jews of Kiev, which remained at the stage of intentions.

There was not the start of a beginning of a pogrom. The president of the youth organization, the two-headed eagle, Galkin, called for destroying the offices of the local security and for busting some Jew. He was immediately neutralized. The new prime minister, Kukovstov, Kovsov, urgently recalled all Kazakh regiments they were maneuvering away from the city and sent a very firm telegram to all the governors to prevent programs by any means, including force. the troops were concentrated in greater numbers than during the revolution. Sliusberg, if pogroms had broken out in 1911, Kiev would have been the scene of a carnage comparable to the horrors of the time of Bogdan Kemalnitsky. No, nowhere in Russia there was the slightest pogrom.

Despite this, there has been much written and insistently that the Tsarist power had never dreamed of anything but one thing to organize an anti-Jewish pogrom. Yeah, that's, I mean, he's being sarcastic, obviously. That's what the Jews were saying. But there's a few reasons for this. You know, the pogrom, assuming, you know, the Jews are not telling the truth about what the programs were. But the very concept is never productive. This kind of wanton violence really doesn't do anything.

Ultimately, it increased the power of the Jews. that kind of wanton violence doesn't work. There needed to be a political movement to either send them somewhere or to neutralize them politically rather than just bust some Jew or some nonsense like that. That never works. Not to mention they would have had to deal with so many attacks from the British and the Americans if that were to happen because the press was still saying, I'm surprised that they just didn't invent one,

invent a program, but they really wasn't anything. They really didn't help. And as we've read many times before, the Jewish Revolutionary Movement, despite the fact that they created the need for these programs, they provoked them. It still was the method to unify Jews behind the leftist movement that they helped create.

So ultimately, they're counterproductive, especially in areas that were making quite a bit of money for the empire. So, but they weren't going to tolerate it. It doesn't really do anything. But even without the program, that didn't do anything either, since their minds had already been made up. Plus the fact that, you know, Stolip and many on the far right, or we would call the far right of the Russian political spectrum, they weren't big fans of him anyway. But the very fact that he was prime minister and they had the arrogance to shoot him very much like they did, sorry Nicholas II, that was outrageous enough.

his office more than his person. But he was, as far as the state was concerned, probably one of the better friends that the Jews had, at least if for no other reason, than for practical and financial reasons, if not ideological ones. Of course, the prevention of public disorder is one of the primary duties of the state,

and when this mission is fulfilled, it does not have to expect recognition. But that under such extreme circumstances, is the assassination of the head of government, that it was possible to avoid pogroms, the threat of which caused panic among the Jews, it nevertheless merited a small mention, if only in passing.

Well, no, we did not hear anything like that, and no one spoke about it. It didn't help anything because assassinations continued anyway. So, you know, like I said, it's, the, a program helps the Jews in that it creates a sense of unity, even though they've caused them, they're the cause for them. On the other hand, the lack of one didn't change anything.

So, you know, either way, it doesn't matter. They had their minds made up and the assassinations continued right up until the revolution. Difficult to believe, but the Kiev Jewish community did not publicly express condemnation nor regret regarding this assassination. On the contrary, after the execution of Bograv, many Jewish students were ostensibly in mourning. However, all this, the Russians noted it. Thus, in December 1912, Razanov wrote,

After Stolipin's assassination, something broke in my relationship to the Jews, would a Russian ever have dared to kill Rothschild or any of their great men? If we look at it from a historical point of view, two important arguments prevent the act committed by Bogrov from being considered on behalf of the powers of internationalism. The first and most important, it was not the case.

Not only the book written by his brother, but different neutral sources suggest that Bogroff really believed that he could work this way to improve the lot of the Jews. And the second, to return to certain uncomfortable episodes in history to examine them attentively to deplore them is to assume one's responsibilities, but to deny them and wash one's hands, that's just low. Yet this is what happened almost immediately. In October 1911, the Duma was arrested by the Octobrist on the murky circumstances of the assassination of Stilipin. This provoked an immediate protest from the deputy Nisselovich. Why, when formulating their interpolation, did the Octumbrus not conceal the fact that the murder of Stelipin was Jewish? It was there, he declared, anti-Semitism. Well, I do like the point about, you know, shooting a Rothschild at the time.

him. And I like that that's the first person he goes to. You know, they're great men. It's a major banker, you know. And as far as I know, there were no attempts on him. I might be wrong on that. I don't remember hearing about it. But that certainly would have been more productive than a pogrom, you know, although someone else would have just taken his place. Now, for those who don't know, the Octobus were. the moderate right of the Duma. They were royalists of a sort. They were royalists in the sense that they liked the idea of the limited monarchy that gave birth to the Duma. So they weren't monarchists in the true sense of the word,

but they still supported the monarchy and they were Orthodox and everything else, but I never realized they had the power to arrest anybody. This Duma was more right-wing than previous ones, but of course there was some cheering by leftists in the Duma, not necessarily on the Duma floor. They had been calling for some of them, especially in the Viborg missive and other places.

They've been calling not just for the death of the head of government, but also the destruction of the monarchy. So they had enough, finally, of these people. That's a constructive thing to do, rather than just, you know, burning down a store somewhere. To the extent that that's true, that a legislative faction, you know, or at least they went to someone who could carry that out, that's more constructive than anything else.

It's not a pogrom, but it's getting rid of some of these people who are only in the doom and to destroy Russia as they knew it. I shall have to endure this incomparable argument myself. 70 years later, I was the object of a heavy accusation on the part of the Jewish community of the United States. Why, in my turn, did I not conceal? Why did I say that the assassin of Stalipin was a Jew? It does not matter if I have endeavored to make a description as complete as possible.

It does not matter what the fact of being Jew represented in the motivations of his act. No, non-dissimulation betrayed my anti-Semitism. And we know exactly what he's talking about there. not only were the Jews very suspicious of Solzhenits, and they didn't like him. They knew what he was ideologically. The FBI had a file on him. They followed him. A lot of more right-wing dissidents they had lengthy files on.

Not the communists so much, but people like him. But they were shocked that he even mentioned that he was a Jew at all. That continues to happen today. Anti-Semitism was to not lie by omission. And many more things happen to Sultanese in the U.S. concerning this issue. But this is just one small example. The fact that he revealed that very obvious fact,

something that any historian should reveal, was enough to get him into a lot of trouble. And attacks on him throughout his life continued about being anti-Semitic. And despite him winning the award many years earlier, Jews had gone after him many times in journals and stuff for being a monarchist and anti-Semite and the rest of it. And most of it came down to stuff like this, you know, revealing that the lefts was mostly Jewish. Well, that's a historical fact. But you're not allowed to talk like that. Hence, he must hate the Jews.

That's the level that he had to deal with. Level of thought he had to deal with at the time. At the time, Gukhov replied with dignity. I think, that there is much more anti-Semitism in Bukrow's very act. I would suggest to the deputy Nassilovich that he should address his passionate words not to us but to his fellow co-religionists. Let him use all the force of his eloquence to convince them to keep away from two profane professions, that of the spy and the service of the secret police and that of terrorists. He would thus render a much greater service to the members of his community. But what But what can one ask of the Jewish memory when Russia, when Russian itself has allowed the

murderer to be effaced from its memory as an event without great significance, as a smear as marginal as it is negligible. It was only in the 80s that I started to pull it out of oblivion for 70 years, to mention it was considered inappropriate. As the years go by, more and more meanings come to. our eyes. Well, in most of the English language literature, you know, of the last, I don't know, 50 years, any survey history or history of the time period, they do mention it. I can't say at the top of my head if they mentioned if he was a Jew. They mentioned his name because it's

not like Goldberg. It, you know, it's almost hiding his identity. I don't remember them mentioning that he was a Jew and that he clearly was motivated by Jewish issues to do what he did. I mean, he clearly was a hate crime, and to use modern terminology, because it was Jewish nationalism that had him kill, the best friend the Jews had in the government. But I think maybe, I don't know about the older Soviet literature. I don't remember off the top of my head, but they didn't hide it in the English language, but they certainly didn't mention that he was a Jew,

and it was helped by the fact that his name was Bogrov. More than once, I have meditated on the whims of history, on the unpredictability of the consequences it raises on our path. I speak of the consequences of our actions. The Germany of William II opened the way for Lenin to destroy Russia, and 28 years later, it found itself divided for half a century. Poland contributed to the strengthening of the Bolsheviks in the year 1919, which was so difficult for them,

and had harvested 1939, 1939, 1944, 1946, 1980. With what eagerness Finland helped Russian revolutionaries, she who could not bear, who did not suffer from the particular freedoms at her disposal, but within Russia and in return, she suffered 40 years of political humiliation. Finland d'ization. In 1914, England wanted to put down the power of Germany,

its competitor on the world stage, and it lost its position in great past. power, and it was the whole of Europe that had been destroyed. In Petrograd, the Cossacks remained neutral both in February and in October. A year later, they underwent their genocide and many of the victims were these same Cossacks. In the first days of July 1917, the SR of the left approached the Bolsheviks, then formed the semblance of a coalition, a broad platform. A year later, they were crushed as no autocracy could have had the means to do so. Well, these are questions that I myself have brought up and I've written on many times.

The support of the Bolsheviks during World War I from Germany is probably the most short-sighted policy, maybe in the history of wartime. Same thing goes for the polls. Same thing goes for all of these examples are excellent ones. But that may, because this is prior to them taking any kind of power, it may be a total ignorance of what Bolshevism really was. I don't think, especially in the U.S. written, I don't think a lot of them, like Woodrow Wilson probably couldn't define what a Bolshevik was, despite the fact that he was very well educated. The Bolsheviks were very good about hiding their agenda.

And especially in the midst of wartime, you're going to make a coalition with whoever's going to help. Very short-sighted. and the Germans actually assisted Lenin's faction, not so much Trotsky's faction. Trotsky's faction came more from Britain and America. But what he's talking about is this short-sighted mentality that comes from just struggling in warfare and also just from plain old ignorance. Now, the ignorance was dispelled once they took over, and it didn't seem to matter. because as many of our listeners know,

the Soviet Union was built by Western Capital. They didn't have anything by the end of two wars. So much was destroyed. Their intellectual class, a technical class had left the country. They needed foreign investment to build the workers' paradise. And there's been so much, I've written on this to a great extent. Their whole industrial base came from the West.

With the U.S. being in the lead, Anthony Sutton has a multi-volume work on this. He has receipts and everything. There's absolutely no denying this fact. But they knew at that point what Bolshevism was. So profits came before anything. And now you have a nationalist or a Eurasianist government in Russia. And that's nowhere to be.

Now they're sanctions. No matter how much is lost, I say the Germans, for example, no matter how many profits are lost, matter how bad the economy becomes in this fight against nationalism, anything goes. But there certainly was no fight against bolivism. It was a banker's dream to have the economy centered in one place,

you know, a planned economy. What could a banker want more than that? And the fact that so much needed to be built there, that this was just a blank slate for the... Russia was industrialized relative to its size prior to the war. in many cities, but not afterwards. That technical class really wasn't there.

They'd been killed or in prison or whatever. They needed to import it. And there, you know, you didn't have any sanctions on the Soviet Union ever until, of course, the Jewish question, the Jackson-Vannock Amendment in 19, I think it was 1974, only to allow Jews to emigrate to Israel. The only time there ever any sanctions on the USSR, the minute a nationalist government comes in, then it has to be destroyed at all cause. So this is extremely important. But that again, so Henry Ford built the largest Ford truck plant in eastern Ukraine,

in Kharkov for the Soviets. During the Great Depression, all of the, all of the Soviet vehicles that were built afterwards came from this one plant. They were all versions of the Ford. Henry 4 of all people showing you that that prophets come before everything unless of course nationalism is involved so these were all these short-sighted things

that ignorance really can't be ignorance is no excuse once the Bolsheviks took over and if anything you had more support showing that the whole 20th century history has to be rewritten the Cold War wasn't nearly, it had no ideological

component to it it wasn't anti-communist by any means, although sometimes in the government you had it, not in the ruling class as a whole, but this one paragraph, we could talk about this for hours because the left was always of great interest for the capitalist class, who were just as revolutionary as anybody else, nationalism, especially national socialism, that was a completely different matter. These distant consequences, none of us are capable of foreseeing them, ever. The only way to guard against such errors is to always be guided by the compass of divine morality,

or, as the people say, do not dig a pit for others, you will fall into it yourself. Similarly, if the assassination of Stolipin had cruel consequences for Russia, the Jews neither derived any benefit from it. Everyone can see things in his own way, but I can see here the giant, footsteps of history, and I am struck by the unpredictable character of its results. Bogrov killed Stalipin, thus thinking of protecting Jews from oppression. Stelipin would in any case have been removed from office by the emperor, but he would surely have been recalled again in 1914 through 16 because of the dizzying deficiency in men able to

govern, and under his government, we would have, we would not have such a lamentable end, neither in the war nor in the revolution, assuming that with him in power we would have engaged in this war. First footstep of history. You want to, you got something? Yeah, no, I think that's, that's self-explanatory. But even from a Jewish point of view, it was a very stupid thing to do. But it then, you know, this destroys any Jewish claim that the government was behind any program, precisely what we've said already. And, you know, you did have a lot of turnover in government when the war began. Nicholas was extremely, ultimately he was surrounded by traitors,

especially when, you know, the war started going, it went well after the breakthrough, after the crushing of Austria, Hungary. So, but then, you know, it was his abdication was not real. It was a forgery. But it was his own generals who wrote it. And their ideology, of course, is a separate matter. But there was a lot of turnover. And a lot of these guys ended up murdering Rasputin

because everything that he had said up until that point had turned out to be true. Not that he was a statesman by any means. And there were all of these civic nationalists sort of that ended up murdering him. These were people on the right of the political spectrum. But Russ Putin said, if you enter this war, you're not going to come out of it alive, among many other things like that. And a lot of these, that type of nationalist was in favor of going to war.

Many of the true nationalists, the slavophiles, you know, or their successors were not. Many of them thinking that, you know, Germany was a natural ally. Why are we getting involved here? But then, of course, there was the, you know, it was a diabolical brilliance to get Russians involved against Germany using the Balkans as, as the lever. This was pure Rothschild and British demonic brilliance to do that, because those are the two big competitors of Britain. But as far as the quality of people in government at the time, I don't have a whole lot to say, but there was a reason that Nicholas kept Rasputin around. Usually his predictions came true, although he never really got credit for it.

First footstep of history. Stalepin is killed. Russia works its last nerves in war and lies under the heel of the Bolsheviks. Second footstep. However fierce they are, the Bolsheviks reveal themselves as being more lame than the imperial government, abandoning half of Russia to the Germans a quarter of a century later, including Kiev. Third footstep. The Nazis invest in Kiev without any difficulty and annihilate its Jewish community.

again I don't know what he means by invest exactly I don't know what he means by invest um you know the the Germans certainly went after the communists especially with you know the partisans which had you know started right away you know Hitler had no intention of invading the USSR until the USSR was going to invade central Europe he wasn't prepared for this war it wasn't a blitzkrieg by any means he had something like 400,000 horses I don't know what kind of blitzkrieg you could have with 400,000 horses. He was delayed because of Mussolini's incompetence. Incompetence and Mussolini tend to go together.

But the SS didn't annihilate the Jewish community. It's just that so many of either the partisans or these political commissars that were attached to every army unit, in fact, attached to every officer, they had to go and they were shot almost immediately. But the fact that most of them were Jews, is no coincidence, but you can't call that necessarily an anti-Jewish concept. It was an anti-communist idea. Again, the city of Kiev, once again a month of September, but 30 years after Bogrov's

revolver shot. And still in Kiev, still in 1911, six months before the assassination of Stalepin, had started what would become the Bailas affair. There's good reason to believe that under Stilipin, justice would not have been degraded as such. One clue, one knows that once, examining the archives of the Department of Security, Stolipin came across a note entitled, The Secret of the Jews, which anticipated the protocols, in which was discussed the international Jewish plot. Here is the judgment he made. Quote, there may be logic, but also bias. The government cannot use under any circumstances,

any circumstances kind of method. As a result, the official ideology of the Tsarist government never relied on the protocols. Well, I'm one of these people who rejects the protocols entirely. You know, if I were a Jew, I would be outraged about people thinking that the protocols were real, not necessarily because of what it said, but because that the implication is that this is the best that the learned elders of Zion could do. You know, it's written at a fourth grade level. I'm familiar with Jewish political writing at the time, and it bears no resemblance

to that disaster area. Most people knew what, you know, things that the protocols claimed, you know, no one's going to call themselves evil. Now, they think that they're doing the right thing. They're not going to call themselves wicked and destructive, as their protocol suggests. That's how you know there's nothing real about it. But people who were, you know, so many Russians already knew, and people in Austria, hungry, they knew what the Jews were.

They didn't need protocols for that. There was tons of writing on the Jews. The protocols were just such a very, crude, you know, someone who, it didn't even mention, it hardly mentioned Zionism, which was the number one issue at the time. Now, I have an article which I've not published on the, on the protocols, and I connected to actual Jewish political writing at the time, and there's no, it was quite sophisticated, and it sounded nothing like what came out of the protocols. I think it's more the insult that this is what the Leonard elders would, would say, right?

rather than actually the content. It's so badly written. But people who understood the Jewish issue, which were a lot more people back then than now, they didn't need it. All the stuff in there, or some of the stuff in there, was already fairly well known.

The Rothschilds alone let that, you know, the Jewish revolutioner, all that stuff was known. The Secret of the Jews, there were a lot of stuff that predated the protocols. It just seemed to be absolutely, an unnecessary addition. And if anyone believes that Jews actually wrote like that, you need to get their head examined.

But it's just so bad. And it doesn't cover, you know, it doesn't mention any of the great, you know, Jewish sages. It doesn't mention any of the Greek philosophers, which most of their political stuff did. Their own sages, you know, Mendelsohn and people like that, doesn't mention any of them. It's so crude. But, yeah, there's certain things to agree with in there. but it's certainly not a legitimate document.

There were tons of real documents that existed. And even Moses Hess wrote, but he wrote in such a high level, very typical of Jewish political writing, although of course much earlier, that used all of the messages that I mentioned. And I connect,

so I compare it to actual Jewish political writing like 20 years before, 20 years after, that was allegedly said, and of course there's no there's not even a remote connection it wasn't the basis of any kind of policy but there were plenty of Jewish writings

about their political future at the time which in a much more sophisticated way say at least some of the things that you would find in things like the secret of the Jews or the protocols it was just wasn't necessary all right we have three pages left in this chapter and it's all about the bailist trial. I suggest we call this a short episode and finish up this chapter on the next one. I agree partially because I've written on this trial. As you know, there's a Jewish professor, Ariel Tooff. We've mentioned him already.

Who wrote on it, at least partially on it in his, the blood libel book, there's good reason to believe, even though he was acquitted there was good reason to believe that this was a absolutely fanatical crazy sect however tiny it was amongst the Jews so I want to

I want to actually reread some of that stuff before we come back and talk about it so we know because it was very complicated and it was one of these it was as far as the Jews coming together it did more than any program to unify the Jews

at the time and it was condemned by the entire Western world Jewish and non-Jewish, the very fact that he was even put on trial and you had Jewish revolutionaries talking about taking vengeance on Russia and murdering the Tsar and all this because of this trial.

It's almost like the programs have been forgotten and this took center stage. So I completely agree with you. I want to spend a lot of time on this on Saturday and just let me reread my paper on it. I wrote it a couple of years ago. And that's why I could have a lot more to say about it than I would right now.

Awesome. Awesome. All right. I'll end to the way I always do. Go to the show notes. Go to the video description. Click on the links. Join to Dr. Johnson.

And yeah, show him some love for the education that he's given us here. We are close. Next week will be six months of, reading this. 49. We should do something special for the 50th. I don't know. Yeah.

Let's, I don't know. Well, well, the 50th, they'll be starting a new chapter. So yeah, let's see.

Let's, let's think about something. Yeah. Yeah, six months. It does, it blows my mind. It doesn't feel like it. But we're going to have to continue this because this is just part of life now.

It's going. I'm going to have some kind of intellectual withdrawal. If, you know, we have to have to have another book. We have to just keep, keep this going. This,

this method. way we're doing it going because now this is i'm not going to know what to do on wednesdays and saturdays um if we don't have to talk about a book this way all right dr johnson i'll talk to on saturday thank you all right my friend bye bye