The Pete Quiñones Show - Reading Solzhenitsyn's '200 Years Together' w/ Dr Matthew Raphael Johnson - Part 50

Episode Date: July 5, 2025

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that P. Diddy has been acquitted of the most serious charge. I mean, this has been weighing on me and bothering me, you know, really, it's just, I'm just so happy, at least the worst of the charges, not all of them, but the worst of them, he's been fully acquitted. So I should be feeling better, but it may take some time to recover from the stress of it all.

Well, I mean, you would expect somebody who is an asset of intelligence and probably not only our own intelligence to be acquitted of the worst charges, because that's just the way this works. You know I'm kidding, right? Of course. Okay, okay, okay. I'm just checking. I'm just checking.

I couldn't tell. We're both trying to deadpan each other to death here. It's brutal. Yeah, you only can have one straight man. All right. Part 50, and we have a new chapter to start. I'm sure a lot of people are really ramped up to get to the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917. But, you know, we need all this background before we can.

get to what most people probably want to hear. So, ready? Yes, sir. Let's do it. Chapter 11, Jews and Russians before the first world war, the growing awareness. In Russia for another 10 years, it escaped its ruin. The best minds among the Russians and the Jews had had time to look back and evaluate from different points of view, the essence of our common life, to seriously consider the question of culture and national destiny. The Jewish people made its way through an ever-changing present by dragging behind it the tale of a comet of 3,000 years of diaspora, without ever losing consciousness of being a nation without language nor territory, but with its own laws, Solomon Lurie, preserving its difference

and its specificity by the force of its religious and national tension in the name of a superior metahistorical providence. Have the Jews in the 19th and 20th centuries sought to identify with the peoples who surrounded them to blend into them? It was certainly the Jews of Russia who, longer than their other co-religionists, had remained in the core of isolation, concentrated on their religious life and conscience. But from the end of the 19th century, it was precisely this Jewish community in Russia that began to grow stronger, to flourish, and now, the whole history of the Jewish community in the modern age was placed under the sign of Russian Jewry, which also manifested a sharp sense of the movement of history.

It's not an exaggeration to say that the Jews, now it's not 3,000 years, but Russia was really the central element. Once Poland fell and was partitioned, the Jewish, there's such a huge number of Jews lived in the Russian Empire that Judaism and Russia or Russian Jews, I should say, were really one in the same thing. That's what I was going to say.

We're essentially one in the same thing. I mean, you had Jews everywhere, of course. You know, Germany had a huge group. But, I mean, I think you mentioned one time before that Israel, this is this one, you know, Russian Jews are a huge proportion of them. You know, these Khazars going down to Israel with rifles pretending that they're,

that they're, you know, descendants of, Abraham. It's got to be so absurd for the, for the, for the, uh, Arabs who live there at the time. Um, but, uh, sometimes, sometimes I think Soltonyton is trying to be conciliatory. By saying things like, you know,

3,000 years. And it's, it's, um, it certainly hasn't been. There's been so many interruptions and changes and alterations, um, and convert groups and everything else that it's, it's not this straight line like many of the Zionists would like you to believe. For their part, the Russian thinkers were perplexed by the particularism of the Jews.

And for them, in the 19th century, the question was how to overcome it. Vladimir Sloviev, who expressed deep sympathy for the Jews, proposed to do so by the love of the Russians toward the Jews. Before him, Dostoevsky had noticed a disproportionate fury provoked by his remarks, certainly offensive but very scarce about the Jewish people. Quote, this theory is a striking testimony to the way the Jews themselves regard the Russians, and that, in the motives of our differences with the Jews, it is perhaps not only the Russian people who bears all the responsibility, but that these motives, obviously, have accumulated

on both sides, and it cannot be said on which side there is the most. I'm not sure. I mean, we can only assume Dostoevsky is talking about, you know, we all know what he thinks about the Jews, what he's thought about the Jews throughout his career, in DiRiverriter and lots of other places. But, you know, he's maybe not even on both sides. You know, Russians were a victim. They weren't victimizers.

Jews were the victimizers throughout, despite the Russian, I mean, God, now we're talking about a hundred years of attempts to bring them into the mainstream, to, you know, make of them a normal people. I wonder if up until the revolution, that that could be the slogan of this, of this, the summary of this part of the book. Russians trying to make Jews normal people, but fail. I don't think there's equal on either side.

The Jews were so well organized. and so violent and so criminal from the beginning. And the Russians didn't know what they were getting into, despite the fact that, as you remember, the Dershavin committee laid it all out for as early as the Emperor Paul. So, and how many commissions have there been? I can't even keep up. There's like been, like, 30.

And all that's meant is that the laws governing the Jews have been, so, it's such a mismash of, things. You could find anything in them. And that comes from all of these commissions, all of these elite people. And as the time goes on, it's just, it gets more and more phylo-Semitic as Jews become more and more powerful. From this same end of the 19th century, Title reports the following observation. Quote, the Jews are in their majority materialists. Strong of them is the aspiration to acquire material goods. But what contempt for these material goods whenever it comes to the inner eye to national dignity. Why, in fact, the mass of Jewish youth, who has completely turned away from

religious practice, which often does not even speak its mother tongue, why did this mass, if only for the sake of form, not convert to orthodoxy, which would have opened to it wide the doors of all the universities and would have given it access to all the goods of the earth? End quote. Even the thirst for knowledge was not enough, while science, superior knowledge, was held by them in higher esteem than fortune. What held them back was the concern not to abandon their co-religionists in need. He also adds that going to Europe to study was not a good solution either. Quote, Jewish students felt very uncomfortable in the West. The German Jew considered them undesirable, insecure people, noisy, disorderly. And this attitude was not only that of the German

Jews, the French and Swiss Jews were no exception. Well, the title is obviously a Jewish name. I don't know if he's a convert or what. I don't know much about him. But they didn't become Orthodox because, you know, it wouldn't be Jews anymore. There was always a stream of converts. I've known many of them. And Orthodoxy has been the beneficiary largely because, you know,

the overwhelming majority of Jews in the world at the time were we're living in Russia and Ukraine and Belarus. So, but that was a completely separate matter. They weren't going to, you know, open up to them all the doors of the universities and all the goods of the earth. I guess she means goods to the Russian earth. No, they, they're not going to convert to something that they despise. And, and I think that's the obvious answer here. this section of the book goes through a lot of the literature here

classic literature in the field title is I don't know what it means what held them back with the concern not to the core liturant is the need and then and then nothing oh unless this whole thing

wait this whole thing is a parentheses all the way down to footnote four but he still doesn't say you know um you know uh

he still doesn't say much the only thing I could comes down to we said this before is uh is that they hate them they're not going to convert to something they hate you know they they they their

ticket to the all the goods of the earth is being a Jew not converting to orthodoxy and I think they knew that I think titles being exaggerating here and yes, it's true that there were certain quotas on the university. We all know why now by

now. But yeah, I think I'm trying to get something out of this. It should there should not be paragraph separation here because it's all one parenthesis section, right up until the probism returned to Judaism. But I think, you know, he's not going to say that openly, but we all know that that's the case. And there were there were noisy and disordial and disorderly everywhere they went. Ready for huge savings? We'll mark your calendars from November 28th to 30th because the Lidl Newbridge Warehouse Sale is back.

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From 1905, conversion was facilitated. It was no longer necessary to go to orthodoxy. It was enough to become a Christian, and Protestantism was more acceptable to many of Jews. In 1905, was also repealed the prohibition to return to Judaism. Another writer bitterly concluded in 1924 that in the last decades preceding the revolution, it was not only the Russian government, which definitely ranked the Jewish people among the enemies of the country, but even worse, it was a lot of Jewish politicians who rank themselves among these enemies, radicalizing their position and ceasing to differentiate between the government and the fatherland, that is, Russia.

the indifference of the Jewish masses and their leaders to the destiny of great Russia was a fatal political error. But there wouldn't be Jews then. You know, that's, of course they are. If the government, the government didn't start off just hating Jews for no reason, they were pushed into it. And we've spent a lot of time, six months going through why they were pushed to it. No matter what they did. everything was just an opportunity to scam. Every attempt at subsidizing they're moving here, moving there.

You know, the state eventually, even these liberal, the cadet types, in private, they needed Jewish money, so they were going to say in public how wonderful they are. But in private, I mean, no one really likes them. It's just that they have to do business with them once in a while. Same thing for the Senate. and the later commissions are the same way. They're going to say nice things because they're, or possibly even indebted to them,

if not in business with them. But the indifference of the Jewish masses, leaders, that's great Russia. No, that's what great Russia isn't, isn't Judaism. It's, in fact, it's the polar opposite of what being Jewish is. It's the third Rome. It's the ultimate Christian entity. I don't know, you know, this is,

it's almost an absurd thing to say here. Of course, like any social process, this and, moreover, in a context as diverse and mobile as the Jewish milieu, did not take place linearly. It was split in the hearts of many educated Jews. It provoked rifts. On the one hand, belonging to the Jewish people confers a specific position in the whole of the Russian milieu, but to observe immediately a remarkable ambivalence, the traditional sentimental attachment of many Jews to the surrounding Russian world,

their rootedness in this world, and at the same time an intellectual rejection, a refusal across the board, affection for an abhorred world. Don't forget, it's just like in the last 20 years in this story here that they learned to speak Russian. Overwhelmingly, they were just speaking Yiddish. They had no concern of being Russian whatsoever. However, they just learned to speak Russian just very recently. This generation here learned to speak Russian once the Cahal fell apart, that was just to make themselves even greater, especially the young people, even greater revolutionaries and scammers.

This approach so painfully ambivalent could not fail to lead to equally painfully ambivalent results. and when Ivy Heson, in an intervention in the Second Duma in March 1907, after having denied that the revolution was still in its phase of rising violence, thus denying right-wing parties the right to arise as defenders of the culture against anarchy exclaimed, who are we teachers, doctors, lawyers, statisticians, literary men? Would we be enemies of culture? Who will believe you, gentlemen? They shouted from the benches of the right. You are the enemies of the right. You are the enemies of of Russian culture, not of Jewish culture. Enemies, of course, why go so far, but as the Russian party pointed out, are you really unreservedly our friends? The rapprochement was made difficult precisely by this. How could these brilliant advocates, professors, and doctors not have in their hearts primarily Jewish sympathies? Could they feel entirely and unreservedly Russian by spirit?

hence the problem was even more complicated. Were they able to take to heart the interests of the Russian state in their full scope and depth? Yeah, I'm assuming Heston, I'm not sure. I mean, Heston, I don't know much about him either. It's clearly a German name. It could be a Jewish name. And I'm not 100% sure what he's even saying here. He's talking to the right winger saying, you're not, you're not an enemy of the Jews, your enemies are yourselves.

But I think that, you know, could they feel entirely and unreserved Russian by spirit? The answer was no. During the same singular period, we see on the one hand that the Jewish middle classes make a very clear choice to give secular education to their children in the Russian language. And on the other, there is a development of publications in Yiddish and comes into use the term Yiddishism, that the Jews remain Jewish, that they do not assimilate. I thought that's what assimilation really was in general. That they present themselves as Russians on the outside,

but of course everything at home and at their festivals and everything is Yiddish on the inside. That's, I think, is as far as they're going to go. They're not going to convert to orthodoxy. They're not going to see themselves as Russians. There's always going to be your occasional weirdo exception. but when I think of Jewish assimilation, like for example in Germany too, that's what I think of. They're not going to abandon who they are because who they are is a source of their power. There was still a path to assimilation, doubtlessly marginal but not negligible, that of mixed marriages,

and also a current of superficial assimilation consisting in adapting artificial pseudonyms to the Russian way. And who did this most often? The great sugar producers of Kiev, Dobri, Babushkin, prosecuted during the war for agreement with the enemy. The editor Ayosni, that even the newspaper of constitutional Democrat orientation, Retch called an avid speculator an unscrupulous shark, or the future Bolshevik D. Goldenbach, who regarded all of Russia as a country without worth, but disguised himself as Riazanov, to both the readers of his Marxist theoretician ratios until his arrest in 1937. And it was precisely during these decades, and especially in Russia, that Zionism developed.

The Zionists were ironical about those who wanted to assimilate, who imagined that the fate of the Jews of Russia were indissolubly linked to the destiny of Russia itself. And then we must first turn to VI Jabotinsky, a brilliant and original, essayist who was brought in the years preceding the revolution to express not only his rejection of Russia, but also his despair. Jabotinsky considered that Russia was nothing more than a halt for the Jews on their historical journey and that it was necessary to hit the road to Palestine. I think that's being extremely diplomatic for him. He treated Russia the same way as Goldenbach did. They despise the Slavic people. I said Karl Marx for them.

matter. So being very nice about it, this was just a means to an end. Russians are to be used. They're not ends in and of themselves. Passion ignited his words. It is not with the Russian people that we are in contact. We learn to know it through its culture, mainly through its writers, through the highest, the purest manifestations of the Russian spirit. And this appreciation, we transpose it to the whole of the Russian world. Many of us, born in the Jewish intelligentsia, love the Russian culture with a maddening and degrading love, with a degrading love of swinekeepers for a queen. As for the Jewish world, we discover it through the baseless and ugliness of everyday life.

He is merciless towards who seek to assimilate. Many of the servile habits that developed in our psychology as our intelligentsia became russified have ruined the hope or the desire to keep Jewishness intact and lead to its disappearance. The average Jewish intellectual forgets himself. It is better not to pronounce the word Jew. The times are not longer than that. We are afraid to write, we the Jews, but we write we the Russians and even we the Ruskovs. The Jew can occupy a prominent place in Russian society, but he will always remain a second-class Russian. And this, all the more so because he retains a specific inclination of the soul. We are witnessing an epidemic of baptisms for interests, sometimes for stakes

far more petty than obtaining a diploma. The 30 pennies for equal rights. When abjuring our faith, strip yourself also of our nationality. Well, that was really hard for me to split up. Faith, so-called. I mean, most Jews are not religious people, but it does mean their rituals don't hold a tremendous amount of for the sake of nationality. It's nothing like Spain where you had, you know, huge numbers of, we know it's perfectly okay for Jews to convert to the dominant religion, you know, for some purpose. We don't have a massive movement like that in Russia like you did in Spain.

I don't think they were afraid to write and saying, we the Russians, It's kind of like Jews saying today, we as white people. These were revolutionaries. They contoured their message to whoever they were talking about. Or if they were purely in the economic realm, there were scammers. It was, you know, again, the same thing. But as far as politics, legality or concern, they shortly weren't afraid to write, We, the Jews is one thing.

And they did do that. sometimes. But they didn't want, if they said something nasty, they don't want to get even more contempt heaped on them. But we the Russians is very similar to, like, us white people need to, you know, need to look closely at our behavior towards non-white or something like that. You hear all the time today.

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six million human beings swarming in a deep pit, a slow torture, a pogrom that does not end. And even, according to him, newspapers financed by Jewish funds do not defend the Jews in these times of unprecedented persecution. At the end of 1911, he wrote, for several years now the Jews of Russia have been crammed on the bench of the accused, despite the fact that we are not revolutionaries, that we have not sold Russia to the Japanese, and that we are not Ezeves or Bogroffs and in connection with Bogroff. This unfortunate, young man, he was what he was, at the hour of such an admirable death, was booed by a dozen brutes from the cesspool of the Kievan black hundreds, come to ensure that the execution had indeed taken place. And this has nothing to do.

You know, Russians, again, Russians didn't start off this way. The monarchy of the state didn't start off saying we're going to harm Jews. In fact, they were planning on make a lot of money from them. This is a hysterical, typical Jewish nationalist hysteria here. Yes, they did defend the Jews. There hasn't been this nonstop pogrom because the best pogromers were Jews. This is the same guy who's talking about being defenseless. This is the same man who created the self-defense forces, who created their militias.

Of course, these were mostly offensive units, self-defense as propaganda. and they had been heavily on for a very long time. So there's this cognitive dissonance here. He knows he's anything but weak and helpless. And that Jews had a huge influence over the press and economics. This was just a hysterical rant of his, but not too surprising. And returning again and again to the Jewish community itself. Today we are culturally deprived, as at the bottom of a slum, of an obscure impasse.

What we suffer above all is contempt for ourselves. What we need above all is to respect ourselves. The study of Jewishness must become for us the central discipline. Jewish culture is now the only plank of salvation for us. All of this we can. Yes, we can understand it, share it, and we, Russians, can do it, especially today at the end of the 20th century. It does not condemn those who in the past have campaigned for assimilation.

In the course of history, there are times when assimilation is undeniably desirable when it represents a necessary stage of progress. This was the case after the 60s of the 19th century, when the Jewish intelligentsia was still in its embryonic stage, beginning to adapt to the surrounding environment to a culture that had reached maturity. At that time, assimilation did not mean denying the Jewish people, but on the contrary, taking the first step on the road to autonomous national activity, taking a first step towards renewal and rebirth of the nation.

It was necessary to assimilate what was foreign to us in order to be able to develop with new energy what was our own. But half a century later, many radical transformations took place both inside and outside the Jewish world. The desire to appropriate universal knowledge, the desire to appropriate universal knowledge has become widespread as never before. As it is then, now, that must be inculcated to the younger generations, the Jewish principles. It is now that there is a threat of an irredeemable dilution in the foreign environment. There is no day that passes in which our sons do not leave us and do not become strangers to us, enlightened by the Enlightenment.

Our children serve all the peoples of the earth, except, hours. No one is there to work for the Jewish cause. The world around us is too magnificent, too spacious, and too rich. We cannot admit that it diverts Jewish youth from the ugliness of the daily existence of the Jews. The deepening of national values of Jewishness must become the main axis of Jewish education. Only the bond of solidarity allows a nation to hold. We ourselves would need it. While denial slows down the struggle for the right of the Jews, one imagines that there is a way out, and we leave lately in compact masses with lightness and cynicism. I assume he means leaving for the Middle East. That's going to take,

you know, it's going to take a little while. But, you know, he lays out what any nationalist, of any ethnicity, would put out as legitimate. It's just in this case, it's for a very different very bizarre group of people. The Enlightenment, meaning the, you know, the Jewish Enlightenment, starting in Germany. And again, there's so much hysteria here. You know, in the beginning, I couldn't tell who's, is Solzhenitsyn speaking or is this Jabotinsky speaking? But much of this, you just put any ethnic, ethnic group in there, it sounds.

perfectly legitimate and only the bond of solidarity allows a nation to hold well the whole point of creating these bonds was in their case to lie to invent stories about these awful pogromes and the savage Russians that will kill us at a moment's notice unless we stick together

the Kahul elders did the exact same thing you know 80 years earlier and when you hold the press in your hands, well, it's much easier to pull off. And I think they truly believed it. Then, letting himself be carried away, quote, the royal spirit of Israel in all its power, its tragic history and all its grandiose magnificence, who are we to justify ourselves before them? Who are they to demand accountability? End quote. That's exactly what he said, given the the Beelis case, his quote was, you know, how dare they judge us under any circumstances?

Whether racial murder, murder, or any other crime, they have no right. We are a royal people. He uses the word royal a lot. We are the aristocrats of the world. We are simply superior. And who are you Slavs to, or anyone? any Gentile to dare demand accountability or justice or anything like this. This is exactly what he said in the Billy's case.

The latter formula, we can also respect it fully, but under the condition of reciprocity, especially since it is not up to any nation or religion to judge another. The calls to return to Jewish roots did not remain unheeded in those years. In St. Petersburg, before the revolution, we could note in the surface, of the Russo-Jewish intelligentsia a very great interest in Jewish history. In 1908, the Jewish Historical Ethnographic Commission expanded into a Jewish historical ethnographic society, headed by M. Winnever. It worked actively and efficiently to collect the archives on the history and ethnography of the Jews of Russia and Poland.

Nothing comparable was established by Jewish historical science in the West. The magazine, the Jewish past, led by S. Dubnov, then was created. At the same time, began the publication of the Jewish Encyclopedia in 16 volumes, which we use exclusively in this study, and the history of the Jewish people in 15 volumes. It is true that in the last volume of the Jewish encyclopedia, its editors complained that, quote, the elite of the Jewish intelligentsia has shown its indifference to the cultural issues raised by this encyclopedia, end quote, devoting itself exclusively to the struggle for the equality, all formal, of rights for the Jews. Meanwhile, on the contrary, in other minds and other Jewish hearts, there was a growing conviction that the future of the Jews of

Russia was indissolubly linked to that of Russia. Although scattered over an immense territory and among a foreign world, the Russian Jewish community had and was conscious of being a unique whole. Because unique was the environment that surrounded us, unique its culture, this unique culture, we absorbed it throughout the whole country. The Jews of Russia have always been able to align their own interests to those of all the Russian people, and this did not come from any nobility of character or a sense of gratitude, but from a perception of historical realities. Open controversy with Jabotinsky. Quote, Russia is not, for the millions of Jews who populated, a step among others on the historical path of the wandering Jew. The contribution of Russian Jews

to the international Jewish community has been and will be the most significant. That's for damn sure. There is no salvation for us without Russia, as there is no salvation for Russia without us. Well, that's bad news for everybody. Well, it's bad news for Russians. I think, is this the last part of the Jewish encyclopedia, or is this Dubnov? of, well, anyway, it's in opposing Zionism saying we're going to stay here, it's probably the worst news that Russia ever got, because in connecting itself to the Russian people,

that just means that we are now going to revolutionize it. This is a clarion call in a very weird way for the Bolshevik revolution, or at least the Mensific revolution. Russia can't be Russia as there is no salvation for Russia without us I don't know what he's talking about salvation I think he means revolution no salvation for us without Russia

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Brett take infuse, amazing atmosphere, incredible food and drink. My goodness, it's Christmas at the Guinness Storehouse. Book now at giddlestorehouse.com. Get the facts be drink aware, visit drink aware. This interdependence is affirmed even more categorically by the deputy of the second and third Dumas O.E. Pergament. Quote, no improvement of the internal situation of Russia is possible without the simultaneous enfranchisement of the Jews from the yoke of inequality. End quote. And there, one cannot ignore the exceptional personality of the jurist G.B. Sliceberg.

Among the Jews, he was one of those who, for decades, had the closest relations with the Russian state, sometimes as a deputy to the principal secretary of the Senate, sometimes as a consultant to the Ministry of the Interior, but to whom many Jews reproached his habit of asking the authorities for rights for the Jews when the time had come to demand them. He writes in his memoirs, quote, from childhood, I have become accustomed to consider myself above all as a Jew. But from the beginning of my conscious life, I also felt like a son of Russia. being a good Jew does not mean that one is not a good Russian citizen. In our work, we were not obliged to overcome the obstacles encountered at every step by the Jews of Poland because of the Polish authorities.

In the Russian political and administrative situation, we Jews did not represent a foreign element insofar as, in Russia, cohabitated many nationalities. The cultural interests of Russia did not conflict in any way with the cultural interests of the Jewish community. community. These two cultures were somewhat complimentary. He even added this somewhat humorous remark. The legislation on Jews was so confusing and contradictory that in the 90s, quote, it was necessary to create a specific jurisprudence for the Jews using purely Talmudic methods. Well, that's what I just said. There's all of these commissions and a constant writing on them. you know Jews always are the center of attention

for a whole bunch of reasons and these commissions and these laws and these regulations court decisions Senate decisions you know it turned out to be a mess now

GB the G is actually again his name was Henrik pronounced in the Russian again Rick was a lawyer. We've quoted him many times before. I've quoted him many times before. He wrote a lengthy history of the Jews at some point.

You know, he was clearly privileged. This is one of the few times the Talmud even comes up. And even this is just kind of backhanded. Yeah, you did represent a foreign element. in Russia were many nationalities well that's true but Russia was an empire

it was not a country and to say that the cultural interests of Russia didn't conflict in any way with the cultural interest of the Jewish community I don't know what planet he's been living on

and they're not complimentary and I think when he was working in the Ministry of Interior or whatever he was doing he was a lawyer but he never never was on the bar

but he certainly he certainly had a privileged life he comes from a very well family. But this just shows you, you know, I don't know if he's tongue in cheek. I don't know if he knows why. I'm sure he does that there has to be a specific Talmudic school about all these Russian commissions.

We've been talking about this almost from the beginning because there's so many of them. There's so many laws and all this stuff. And we need a good Talmudist to interpret it for us because there's simply so many of them, which in and of itself is something that, that Jews excel at. And, you know, right at this point, you could find whatever you wanted in those commission or court decisions or laws or whatever you want.

And they certainly took advantage of it. But this is just, you know, he's, he's fooling himself if he really believes some of this stuff. And again, in a higher register, quote, the easing of the national yoke, which has been felt in recent years, shortly before Russia entered a tragic period in its history, bore in the hearts of all Russian Jews the hope that Russian Jewish consciousness would gradually take a creative path,

that of reconciling the Jewish and Russian aspects in the synthesis of a higher unity. And can we forget that among the seven authors of the incomparable milestones, three were Jews. M.O. Gershon-A.S. I. I. X. Z. I. X. Z. Z. Z. Z. Z. Land and S.L. Frank. Well, they were converts, or at least Frank was. Frank, of that three, Frank is the only one who I've read with any depth.

You know, he was, he was extremely, you know, pro-Christian. He was a convert in one way or another. I'm not sure. It's called land. I don't know who that is. But Gersonson, of course, is. is relatively well known. The milestones were a conservative,

I don't want to say, it's more of a religious approach to things. I've read tons of stuff in those, in that series. It's still on, it's uploaded to many websites and even the Russian church has a few of those. But I think Frank by far was the biggest name of those three. But they were either converts or very close to it.

But there was reciprocity. In the decades preceding the revolution, the Jews benefited from the massive and unanimous support of progressive circles. Perhaps the amplitude of the support is due to a context of bullying and pogroms, but it has never been so complete in any other country, and perhaps never in all the past centuries. Our intelligentsia was so generous, so freedom-loving, that it ostracized anti-Semitism from society and humanity. Moreover, the one who did not give his frank and massive support to the struggle for equal rights of the Jews, who did not make it a priority, was considered a despicable anti-Semite. Gee, that sounds familiar, doesn't it? Yeah, yeah. Sultan Eaton himself was thrown into that pit. With its ever-awakening moral consciousness and extreme sensitivity, the Russian intelligentsia, the Russian intelligentsia, sought to understand and assimilate the Jewish views of priorities affecting the whole of political life.

Is deemed progressive, all this is a reaction against the persecution of the Jews. All the rest is reactionary. Not only did Russian society firmly defend the Jews against the government, but it forbade itself and forbade anyone to show any trace of a shadow of criticism of the conduct of each Jew in particular. And if this bore anti-Semitism within me, the generation formed at that time retained these principles for decades. Yeah, it is very familiar.

They created their own world, this left-right, without a whole lot of distinction. But that's the one thing that united them. They ostracized it, as if the Jews were beyond reproach. And Sultan-Eaton, personally, was considered an anti-Semite. his life because he wrote this book among many other things um but the russian intelligentsia idealized them depending on where they lived their contact with them wasn't

you know significant um starting with salovia but you know they were i don't think they were ever scammed by them i don't think they were ever shot by them and you know the so-called pogroms which were the results of of jewish rioting we've been through this you know Jews create a riot and force people to strike and then when Russians respond that's that's the program but that's certainly how many of the newspapers had had described it so all of this is completely artificial it was artificial then and it's artificial now VA Makulkov evokes in his memoirs a significant episode that occurred during the Congress of the Zemstvos in 1905. When the waif of pogroms against the Jews and intellectuals had just

swept through and began to rise in strength, the pogroms directed against landowners. Quote, E.V. de Roberte proposed not to extend the amnesty demanded by the Congress to the crimes related to violence against children and women. End quote. He was immediately suspected of wanting to introduce a class amendment, that is to say, to concern himself with the families of the noble victims of pogroms. Either Roberte hastened to reassure everybody. I had absolutely no plan in regards to the property of the nobleman. Five or 20 properties burned down, this has no importance. I have in view the mass of immovable property and houses belong to Jews, which was burned and pillaged by the black hundreds. During the terror of 19... Go ahead. This is... Well, yeah, well, I'd do the next one. Go ahead.

During the Terror of 1905 through 1907, Gersonstein, who had been ironic about the property fires of the nobleman and Yolos were considered as martyrs, but no one among the thousands of other innocent victims were considered so. In the last autocrat, a satirical publication that the Russian liberals published abroad, they succeeded in placing the following legend under the portrait of the general whom the terrorist Hirsch Lekert had attempted in vain to assassinate. Quote, because of him, the czar had executed the Jew lechard. The way this is, you know, coming, it's no different than intellectuals today. You know, pogroms don't come from nothing. The contempt from the Jews, people will talk about, you know, they don't want to overthrow the czar for some kind of democracy, but they despise what the people actually think.

When the people themselves took over in places like Odessa, and showed exactly what they think in huge numbers. Of course, they're vehemently opposed to it. This is how the left somehow justified having these, you know, millionaire Jews as not part of the proletariat. I'm sorry, it's not part of the bourgeoisie. Remember, it wasn't that long ago. There were some leftist groups that were burning down, you know,

or talking about the Jews as as as exploiters. But because of this stuff, it's gone. And it's extremely important to note, not the Beelis case, as well as the so-called pogroms. But by now, it was in the mainstream press in Russia at the time, it was impressed there that the Jews had done absolutely nothing wrong. This was done for jealousy or something like that. what these people believed was based was was purely artificial it was based on media mythology

um and their own self-interest um you know so in the black hundreds became a boogeyman you know lenin even used black hundred clergy to justify certain executions and things like that um but this is you know it's this was a battle between two groups of people jews being very well well-organized and wealthy and your typical Russian, especially in a specific region, being unorganized and not wealthy. It was not just the parties of the opposition. It was the whole mass of middle-class civil servants who were trembling at the idea of sounding like non-progressives. It was necessary to enjoy good personal fortune or possess remarkable freedom of mind to resist with courage to

pressure of general opinion. As for the world of the bar of art of science, ostracism immediately struck anyone who moved away from this magnetic field. Only Leo Tolstoy, who enjoyed a unique position in society, could afford to say that, for him, the Jewish question was in the 81st place. The Jewish Encyclopedia complained that the pogroms of October 1905, quote, provoked in the progressive intelligentsia a protestation that was not specific, i.e. exclusively Jewish-centered,

but general, oriented toward all manifestations of the counter-revolution in all its forms. And that became Soviet dogma that anti-Semitism is to be opposed to the workers' society,

the workers' paradise. He said this over and over again. That's why those laws were passed. And it was very bizarre, you know, for him to say, and they all said it, that being anti-Semitic is to be anti-revolutionary.

In the Belish case, the same way. You had these Jewish leftists saying this was an attack on the workers' revolution, as it was developing in Kiev and in Odessa at the time. You know, yeah, the 1905 revolution failed, but it succeeded in a lot of other ways. And it created this mythos that so-called progressive Russians were living under. and it became, you know, it's very similar to today. You weren't a member of that Russian intellectual class, despite the fact that, you know, Dostoevsky and Gogol in years past,

unless you, you know, saw the Jews as essentially incapable of wrongdoing. It looks like we're coming to a place where we're going to start talking about czarism, so it probably be a good place to cut for today. That sounds great to me. All right. Well, as I do at the end of every episode, please go to the show notes. Please go to the videos and look in the description. And there are links. I've recently added Dr. Johnson's cash app link. Let's make sure Dr. Johnson gets compensated for all the good work he's putting in here. And we'd really appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you, my friend. I really do appreciate it. And donations have gone up. And I'm pretty sure it's most. mostly because of people who are listening to this. And I thank you very much.

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