The Pete Quiñones Show - Reading Solzhenitsyn's '200 Years Together' w/ Dr Matthew Raphael Johnson - Part 51

Episode Date: July 9, 2025

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I rarely get sick. So when it happens, I have no idea what to do. But I wasn't going to, I was thinking of canceling. I said, nah, I don't do stuff like that. So I have no, you know, it's just your typical virus, I guess. I don't know. And I'm getting stuff done. And we have to get through this.

We're at 51 now. We have to get through this. We can't be taken any time off. No. No. Let's start right now because we're going to get into a little, talking a little bit about czarism here. So picking up where we left off at the end of episode 50.

Moreover, Russian society would have ceased to be itself if it had not brought everything to a single burning question. Zahism, still czarism, always czarism. But the consequence was this. After the days of October, the pogroms in 1905, concrete aid to the Jewish victims was brought only by the Jews of Russia and other countries. And Berdyev added, are you capable of feeling the soul of the Jewish people? No, you are fighting in favor of an abstract humanity.

You know, I've written on Berdyev for many years. he is one of the great existentialist philosophers I don't really know what he's talking about here there needs to be a little bit more context to what he's writing his phylo-semitism went back and forth like a lot of these guys did and of course half the revolution that changed a little bit but yeah

this is confirmed by Sliusberg in politically evolved circles the Jewish question was not politically in the broad sense of the, was not political in the broad sense of the term. Society was attentive to manifestations of the reaction in all its forms. In order to correct this misjudgment of Russian society, a collection of articles entitled Schitt, Shitt, looks like shit to me, the Shield. Yeah, it was published in 1915. It took on globally and exclusively the defense of the Jews, but without the participation of the latter as writers.

These were either Russian or Ukrainian, and a beautiful skewer of celebrities of the time was assembled there, nearly 40 names. The whole collection was based on a single theme, Jews in Russia. It is univocal in its conclusions and its formulations denote in some places a certain spirit of sacrifice.

A few samples, El Andreev, quote, The prospect of an approaching solution to the Jewish problem brings about a feeling of joy close to fervor, the feeling of being freed from a pain that has accompanied me all my life, which was like a hump on my, on the back. I breathe poisonous air, M. Gorky. The great European thinkers consider that the psychic structure of the Jew is culturally higher, more beautiful than that of the Russian. He's a Bolshevik, of course. Yes, of course. He then rejoiced at the development in Russia of

the sects of the sabbatists and that of the new Israel, P. Malianzovich. The arbitrariness to which the Jews are subjected is reproach which, like a stain, covers the name of the Russian people. The best among the Russians feel it is a shame that pursues you all your life. We are barbarians among the civilized peoples of humanity. We are deprived of the precious right to be proud of our people. The struggle for the equal rights of the Jews represents for the Russian man, a national cause of prime importance. The arbitrariness subjected to the Jews condemns the Russian to failure in their attempts to attain their own happiness. If we do not worry about the liberation of the Jews, quote, we will never be able to solve our own problems, end quote.

So in that section, he's saying that our pride as Russians is based on the Jews. and whether they are treated well or not. But of course, they're never treated well in, in Goy society. So it's very bizarre what these people, I mean, Gorky, you expect that crap out of him. But anyway, the rest are, you know, everything seems to be based on, you know, Russians aren't civilized because the Jews don't rule it. It's really what I'm coming, what I'm taking from some of this. quote, if we remove everything that hinders the Jews, we will see an increase in the intellectual forces of Russia.

A. Kamukova. Quote, on the other hand, our close spiritual relationship with the Jewish world and the domain of the highest spiritual values, on the other, the Jews may be the object of contempt of hatred, El Andreev. It is we, the Russians, who are the Jews of Europe, are border. It is precisely the pale of settlement. de Moreshkovsky. What do the Jews expect of us?

Our moral indignation, but this indignation is so strong and so simple that we only have to scream with the Jews. This is what we do. By the effect of I am not, by the effect of I am not sure which misunderstanding, Berdyev is not one of the authors of the shield. But he said of himself that he had broken with his milieu from his earliest youth and that he preferred to frequent the Jews. No, whatever that means.

All of the authors of the shield define anti-Semitism as an ignoble feeling as, quote, a disease of consciousness, obstinate and contagious. That's by Kulikovsky, Hanakimedition. But at the same time, several others note that the methods and process of anti-Semites are of foreign origin. Milukov said that. Quote, the latest cry of anti-Semmatismatismat.

ideology is a product of the German industry of the spirit. The Aryan theory has been taken up by our nationalist pressed, Menshikov, the ideas of Gobino, Kokachan. The doctrine of the superiority of the Aryans in relation to the Semites is of a German manufacturer, C. Ivanov. That's interesting. I guess, you know, there was always, you know, Komiakov in the 18, 1860s, even before then, had the Kushite versus Iranian division of people's of the world. And Iranian is really just Aryan. That was much before then. I don't know if this is just to deflect criticism.

It's not our fault. This is the Germans' fault. But you notice, of course, none of these people are going to say, what did the Jews do to earn this? It's a feeling. It's like a disease. Disease is something that you can. hatch. You know, it has nothing to do with anyone's behavior. It's just, uh, it's something that you have to just get rid of and not think about. It's, this is absolutely absurd. They're doing

everything in their power. And these are mostly, well, Jews, by the way. They're doing everything in their power to avoid, you know, the question, what did the Jews do? What, what, how have they provoke this kind of thing? What sort of people are these? Nothing has changed today, of course. But when you start connecting it or using the disease metaphor, really that means it has no connection to behavior at all. It's just random.

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trading as Cooper Financial Services is regulated by the Central Bank of Ireland. In Russia, there was no hatred of Armenians. You know, there are Christians, but heretical Christians, certainly. You know, no other group, not even the Germans who did very well. Only the Jews were treated this way. But for us, with our hump on our backs, what does it change? Invited by the Progressive Circle at the end of 1916, Gorky devoted the two hours of his lecture to rolling the Russian people in the mud and raising the Jews to the skies, as noted by the progressive deputy Mensreiv. Mancerif, one of the founders of the circle.

A contemporary Jewish writer analyzes this phenomenon objectively and lucidly. Quote, we assisted to a profound transformation of the minds of the cultivated Russians, who, unfortunately, took to heart the Jewish problem much more greatly than might have been expected. Compassion for the Jews was transformed into an imperative, almost as categorical as the formula, God, the Tsar, the fatherland. As for the Jews, quote, they took advantage of this profession of faith according to their degree of cynicism, end quote. At the same time, Rosanov spoke of, quote, the avid desire of the Jews to seize everything. So at least you have some reference to their behavior.

But I don't know what this Jewish writer is, but he is telling the truth here. God's Zah, Fatherland, has been. replaced in the minds of Russian intellectuals with how are the Jews being treated. Powerless people can't make that happen. Extremely powerful people make that happen. All of this shows the immense power that the Jews had over Russian society, which I think is not even a tenth of what it has over American society or British society at the time. then before trying to pass it off to the Germans, you know, but this is, so Rosanna, finally,

he notes that this, you know, avid, desire the Jews to seize everything. Okay. You know, so at least there's some common sense here. In the 20s, V. Shulgin summed it up as follows, quote, at that time, a quarter of a century before the revolution, the Jews had taken control of the political life of the country, the brain of the nation, if we accept the government and the circles close to it, found itself in the hands of the Jews and was accustomed to think according to their directives. Despite all the restrictions on their rights, the Jews had taken possession of the soul of the Russian people. But was it the Jews who had seized the Russian soul, or did the Russians simply not know what to do with it? Still in the shield, Moreshnovsky, Moreskovsky, tried to

explain that philosemitism had arisen in reaction to anti-Semitism, that the blind valorization of a foreign nationality was asserted, that the absolutization of the no led to that of the yes. And Professor Bauduin de Kortene acknowledged that many, even among the political friends of the Jews, experienced repulsion and acknowledge it in private. Here, of course, there is nothing to do. Sympathy and antipathy are not commanded. We must nevertheless rely, not on effects, but on reason. Well, he certainly is telling the truth. Um, you know, but reason was the one thing that was not involved in any of this. Now, um, Solzhenitsyn was very sympathetic to the old believers like I am. I have a book out on the topic.

And, um, and that was a the schism. And, and, and that was a, the cism. Russian society, the two different kinds of royalists, you Muscovite type and your and your St. Petersburg type. I think that's what he means when he says they don't know what to do with it or what it was. This massive, you know, what happened in the 18th century in Russia, it was unparalleled. You had forced westernization. You had, you know, these female rulers. but of course it was foreign Masonic men, you know, the, like Lord Byron, who actually ran the country from behind the scenes, who hated Russia, who hated

orthodoxy, Catherine II, who didn't really speak Russian, and, you know, it was a bad faith conversion. The only good, good section of the 18th century was Elizabeth, but otherwise, it's not legitimate monarch in that and that whole thing. The Petrine revolution was just that. And that builds on theicism that occurred under, um, uh, Zara Alexis in the previous generation. Because that's, that's, that's, that's the right. It's the simplest way I could put it as I've already put it. The St. Petersburg type and then the Muscovite type. Muscovite type is very medievalist. Um, I, I tend to find myself in that, in that, in that, most of the time, the Slavophiles.

Although Slavophiles didn't like the old believers either, which is odd because that would be very much an old believer matter. And the St. Petersburg type, which included Nicholas I first, who was a great man, that was more your civic type. I'm not saying that they didn't have an ethnic component. They did. They didn't make the extreme distinction that we make today. but I think maybe

I think what it comes down to is he doesn't realize the what Russia was at its best there was no agreement on it that's because of czar Alexis that's because of czar Peter

forced westernization and now here we see oh the blind valorization of a foreign nationality was asserted well if you can do that with the Western world a hundred years earlier or more, a little bit more, then you can do it with the Jews now. You know, Russia had been through hell. People don't realize the revolutionary changes that took place in Russia in the 18th century.

I got so much stuff out on it and how the monarchy had been reduced to almost nothing, even though you had plenty of, you know, the overwhelming majority of the population were monarchists. By the time of Zarn Nicholas II, that had changed. You know, Alexander and Nicholas had brought it back to its previous level. The old believers were equalized with the Orthodox Church even before 1905. So, but that's, maybe I'm being too rational about it. What I just said before, you know, the brain,

the nation. So you had the Russian state, you had Russian patriots, then you had the Jews. That was it. Now, I think maybe Shulgin's comment, he said in the 20s, I mean the 1920s, I think. Yes, I believe he believes he means the 1920s. If he means the 1920s, then, then yeah, that's true. But there was no Russian nation. Russia was subsumed and terrorized under the Soviet Union. Lenin hated Russians, Stalin hated Russians, and they were exploited mercilessly for the benefit of everybody else. That's a whole separate set of issues. Nationalism was selectively accepted if it was like, the Ukrainian or Baltic or Georgian or something like that. The only one that was never allowed, the only one that never had its own party, really, or its own press, was Russia.

It's kind of like England in the UK. So I have a lecture in a paper out on the Leningraders, the purges of the pro-Russian party after World War II. These are the people who, you know, defended Leningrad from the German invasion. They were Russian nationalists and Stalin could not have that. He got rid of all of them. It's a little known purge that he did right afterwards and got rid of some of his best people. So Russia was tormented and split many times, starting from Peter the Great all the way to, all the way to, well, maybe, you know, all the way to the end of World War II.

So I'm still, I'm focused on Sultan Easton comment. Maybe the Russians didn't know what to do with it. but I still say by this period of time the reign of Nicholas II had brought it all together and had he survived and had he had you know successors Russian history would have been extremely different in ways we couldn't even imagine which is precisely why the Bolshek revolution had to happen when it did plus World War I created such brutal disruption and chaos

they bring order out of chaos. And so that's, you know, and don't forget, masonry, which is very Judaic in many ways, penetrated some of the great noble families at the time all the way up to the revolution. The confusion that reigned in the minds of those days was brought to light with greater significance and reached by P.B. Strouf,

who devoted his entire life to breaking down the obstacles erected on the path that would lead him from Marxism to the rule of law, and along the way, also obstacles of other kinds. The occasion was a polemic, fallen into a deep oblivion but of great historical importance, which broke out in the liberal Slovo newspaper in March 1909, and immediately won the entirety of the Russian press. Everything had begun with a Shurikov affair, an episode whose importance was inflated to the extreme, an explosion of rage in a small literary circle accusing Shirikov, author of a play entitled

The Jews, and well-disposed toward them, to be anti-Semitic. And this was because at a dinner of writers he had let himself go on to say that most of the literary critics of St. Petersburg were Jews, but were they able to understand the reality of Russian life? This affair shook many things in Russian society. The journalist Leobisch Bosch wrote about it. It is the two Kopeck candle that set fire to Moscow. Well, that irrationality, that kind of hysteria, that happens today, of course.

I unfortunately have not read this play. I probably should. But he claims to be phylo-Semitic. But it doesn't matter anyway because he says everything could be interpreted through their lens. And since they are not really Russians, they don't really speak Russian. of the time, how can they possibly understand the reality of Russian life? And this is what, and, you know, we've already read just a few paragraphs above that, that in private, some of these liberals, they're dealing with the Jews were negative.

They just couldn't say it. They couldn't maintain their positions and say it. Of course, in the Soviet Union, you could get your head chopped off for that for any anti-Semitism. London passed that and that was a constant cases in that area but but right you know even the political friends of the Jews experience repulsion and acknowledged it in private not in public this guy said something he wasn't supposed to say that they control the literary criticism of St. Petersburg maybe not Moscow Moscow tended to be very Russian but and St. Petersburg and Kiev maybe. And so it really doesn't matter what you're right.

Everything is going to be interpreted through their eyes, and they're not Russians. Considering that he had not sufficiently expressed himself on the Shurkov affair in a first article, Jabotinsky published a text entitled Asemitism in the Slovo newspaper on March 9, 1909. He stated it in his fears and his indignation at the fact that the majority of the progressive wanted to silence this matter, that even a great liberal newspaper, he was referring to the Russian news, had not published a word for 25 years on the atrocious persecution suffered by the Jewish people since then the law of silence had been regarded as the latest trend by progressive phylo-Semites. It was precisely here that evil resided in passing over the Jewish question.

We can only agree with this. When Sherikov and Arabegin assure us that there is nothing anti-Semitic in their remarks, they are both perfectly right. Because of this tradition of silence, one can be accused of anti-Semitism for having only pronounced the word Jew or made the most innocent remark about some particularity of the Jews. The problem is that the Jews have become a veritable taboo that forbids the most trivial criticism and that it is to them that are the big losers in the affair. Here again, we can only agree. There is a feeling that the word Jew itself has become an indecent term. There is here,

echo of a general state of mind that makes its way among the middle strata of the progressive Russian intelligentsia. We cannot yet provide tangible proofs of it. We can only have a presentiment about this state of mind. But it is precisely that this that torments him. No proofs, just an intuition. And the Jews will not see the storm coming. They will be caught unprepared. For the moment, we see only a small cloud forming in the sky and we can hear a distant but already menacing. role. It is not anti-Semitism. It is only a-Semitism. But that also is not admissible. Neutrality cannot be justified. After the program of Kishinov, and while the reactionary press pedals, the inflamed toe of hatred, the silence of the progressive newspapers about one of the most tragic

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I remember this the first time I went through it, that many liberal papers, because Jews were so powerful, they didn't know what to say about things. They weren't Jews themselves necessarily. Maybe they'll say the wrong thing, or they won't be sensitive enough to certain things. The word Jew versus Jewish people was a big one. It actually came up several times before. And that there's this fear that you're not going to be able to get a job in any literary criticism or anything if you irritate the Jews. And I think that's what's that's the problem here. Now, Jews will not see the storm coming.

Well, that's interesting. They didn't see El Kimonietzky coming. They thought the Messiah was coming. they never learn from their history asemitism I think in his mind

is something purely negative but at least he's giving a somewhat rational explanation for it and that is the fear of the Jewish friends of saying the wrong thing because the entire Jewish mentality there and now

is based on finding offense and things and throwing people always off balance. It's a tremendously powerful thing. In the editorial of the same issue of Slovo, were formulated the following reservations about Jabotinsky's article.

Quote, the accusations made by the author against a progressive press correspond, in our opinion, to the reality of things. We understand the sentiments that have inspired the author with his bitter remarks, but to impute to the Russian intelligency of the intention, so to speak deliberately, of sweeping the Jewish question under the rug,

is unfair. The Russian reality has so many unresolved problems that we cannot devote much space to each of them. Yet, if many of these problems are resolved, this will have very important effects, including the Jews who are citizens of our common homeland. And if the editorialist of the Slovo had then asked Jabotinsky why he did not defend one or the other of those fools who uttered, quote, the most innocent remark about some particularity of the Jews, was Jewish opinion interested only in them? Did they take their part? or was it enough to observe how the Russian intelligentsia got rid of the anti-Semites?

No, the Jews were no less responsible than the others for this taboo. You see, this is how Jewish power works. No other power works this way, ethnic or otherwise. This is, this book is utter proof than what we deal with today, and even worse what they deal with in Britain, is nothing new. It's this fake victimhood. I remember years ago

and I was in college and even in high school, you say some racial remark and you were thrown out of a school or something. Well, how powerless could they be? How powerless could they be if even one little thing could, of course they're powerful.

They're culturally dominant. I didn't know how to articulate it, way back when, but it's the same thing here. And I said 100 times that the czarists didn't build their own propaganda apparatus. The White Army never built their own propaganda apparatus. The church was doing it. And they certainly did it abroad after the revolution. But I don't think the czar fully understood the importance of propaganda.

So Batinsky, he did. Another article in the same paper helped launch the discussion. The agreement, not the fusion of V. Golubov. Indeed, the Shirikov affair is far from being an isolated case. At the present time, the national question is also of concern to our intelligentsia. In the recent past, especially in the year of the revolution, our intelligentsia had sinned very much by cosmopolitanism. But the struggles that have been fought within our community and between the nationalities that populate the Russian state have not disappeared without leaving traces.

Like the other nationalities in those years, the Russians had to look at their own national question. When nationalities deprived of sovereignty began to self-determine, the Russians felt the need to do so as well. Even the history of Russia, we Russian intellectuals, we know it perhaps less well than European history. Universal ideals have always been more important to us than the edification. of our own nation. But even according to Vladimir Soloviov, who is, however, very far removed from

nationalism, before being a bearer of universal ideas, it is essential to raise oneself to a certain national level. And the feeling of raising oneself seems to have begun to make its way into our intelligentsia. Until now, we have been silent on our own peculiarities. Remembering them in our memory does not constitute a manifestation of anti-Semitism and oppression of other nationalities. Between nationalities, there must be harmony and not fusion. Yeah, internationalism and cosmopolitanism are two different things. Even though the Marxist used the word internationalism, internationalism applies that nations exist. And it's how they interact, that they're entities that exist on the world stage.

cosmopolitanism says there are no nationalities so it's just one universal reality but Toloviov is saying that unless you know what your own people are you can't reject all of that and claim to be a cosmopolitan I mean we know now of course it's just forced on on kids in school and everything else Slovia was no expert on Russian history

Sergei Shloviov was but I guess what we've heard from liberal Russians from then until now are just you know slogans about how evil czarism was or how terrible whites are owning slaves in the American South you know and unconscious racism and all that crap but that doesn't constitute knowledge that's the opposite of knowledge that's a short circuit in the brain that's That's the result of propaganda, almost a trauma reaction. So I think, I think that's, I mean, these are liberals here. That's what he means by this sinned with cosmopolitanism.

Alexander Herzen was an early 19th century Russian liberal who, or a westernizer, I should say, who once he went to the West, once he lived in England, suddenly became a Russian nationalist again. A tendency tends to happen. It changed him. In the abstract, it seems one thing. When you see it in front of your face, maybe this isn't what I want. Universal ideals have to be based on something. So Slovia is believed in nations, certainly.

But an international order. Now, of course, this is all before. World War I, before World War II, you know, before the USSR, you know, you give them some breaks for that. But of course, the very fact that they're, they're making the same apologies that we have to make. Just, you know, making reference to one's own nation doesn't mean you hate everybody else. Every nation has its own peculiarities. The Jews especially, you know, it's like that many, I know if you've seen the most interesting Jew in the world. You know, however you view, there's a lot of truth to that, objective truth to that.

Jews in the comments are laughing, saying, yeah, yeah, I guess so. You know, when you put it that way, it's a different story. I think it just came to comes down to fear. Liberals needed Jewish money, didn't want to piss them off, didn't want to say the wrong thing, weren't quite sure of how to report on this stuff, so they kind of didn't say anything. I think that's been the thesis so far. Well, you know how all this works. If you're talking about the Jews controlling the alcohol manufacturing and, you know,

the way they promoted it to the peasants. And you're saying good job, you know, that was good capitalism there, guys. you know, you, the advertising was great, and you guys made a buck off of it, and, you know, you had control of that. That's fine. As soon as you say, as soon as you talk about that, but you say, well, maybe they were taking advantage of people who, you know, were less educated than them, less worldly than them, and they, you know, they actually, they, you know, could have known.

They knew, they actually knew that these peasants had a tendency towards liking alcohol alcohol, they probably shouldn't have done that. You know, you're in another, you're in another country that has a, has a way of doing things, has customs, and you've just broken the custom. But if you say that, then you obviously want to kill them all. That's exactly right. There's this hysteria attached to it. There's some kind of short circuit. I've been dealing with it your whole life. I've been dealing with my whole life. Jews, really not blacks, especially. Blacks and Jews, I don't know about anyone else.

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lives down the street this is not a personal man matter. One has nothing to do with the other. I actually have to explain to adults the difference between groups and individuals. And there's anyone who knows what a group is, it's the Jews. The editorial team of the newspaper may have taken all these precautions because it was preparing to publish the following day, March 10th, an article by P.B. Struve, quote, the intelligency on the national face, which had coincidentally arrived at the same time than that of Jabotinsky, and also dealing with the Shurikov case. Struv wrote,

this incident, which will soon be forgotten, has shown that something has moved in the minds, something has moved in the minds, has awakened and will no longer be calmed, and we will have to rely on that. The Russian intelligentsia hides its national face. It is an attitude that imposes nothing, which is sterile. Nationality is something much more obvious,

and at the same time, something subtle. It is the attractive, and repulsion of the mind and to become aware of them, it is not necessary to resort to anthropometry, anthropometry, I can't pronounce that word, or to genealogy. Anthropometry, okay, good. They live and palpitate in the depths of the soul. One can and must fight to make these attractions, repulsions, not to be brought into law, but political equality does not require from us national indifference. These attractions and repulsions belong to us.

They are our goods, the organic feeling of our national belonging. And I do not see the slightest reason to renounce this property in the name of anyone or anything. Remember, this wasn't something he wrote, the Chirikov caves. It wasn't the play itself. It was something he said later. And I don't even think in writing. I mean, people today are taught that there is no such thing as nationality,

unless you're Jewish or black or Ukrainian. It's a very typical Soviet policy. Whoever works for us will permit some kind of national soul to them. That we're all just individuals. We're all the same under the skin. We know that that's not true. but how can you know of course truva is not a not a not a jew but

how can jews acclaim any kind of they were they were ruling the intellectual life of at least a chunk I think it's an exaggeration to say that they were the brain it wasn't true I've been reading stuff from this era for many many years there's all kinds of nationalist stuff and royalist stuff and you know but but still

the Jewish question comes up in each and every one of these things. Not the Germans, not the Arabs, not the Armenians, not the Georgians, not the Yossetians, not the Turks, but the Jews, the only ones who have this particular feature. But now, you know, the kids are taught that there is no such thing as ethnicity. There is no such thing as any kind of, what's the slogan that they use is more different. within groups and between them, or between them and within them, I should say. Whatever it is. It just doesn't matter. It's an arbitrary border.

That isn't true, of course. And then, of course, as the economic elites have demanded globalism from at least this era, if not before. Of course, they hate any kind of national. Nationals have been the only enemy of capitalism. Marxism. Capitalists invested heavily in the USSR. No, nationalism was the enemy. And so, of course, you're going to be raised in a society that says it doesn't exist, or it's a bad thing, or it leads to warfare.

So, you know, a lot of this stuff in Russia was just getting talked about for the first time. He didn't have hate crime laws, obviously in Zarz, Russia at the time. and not that wasn't until, you know, the Bolsheviks. So you could talk about this rationally and fully. And it was interesting back. It's not interesting now because, first of all, Jews control most of the discussion about them. And secondly, you know, the non-Jews, when they dare talk about something like this, they're scared to death. For the same reason we've already said.

Yes, insist, truths. It is essential to draw a border between the legal, the political domains, and the realm where these sentiments live, especially with regard to the Jewish question it is both very easy and very difficult. The Jewish question is formally a question of law, and for this reason it is easy and natural to help solve it to grant the Jews equal rights. Yes, of course.

But at the same time, it is very difficult because the force of rejection towards the Jews in different strata of Russian society is considerable, and it requires great moral force in a very rational mind, too, despite this repulsion, resolve definitively this question of right. However, even though there is a great force of rejection toward the Jews among large segments of the Russian population, of all the foreigners of the Jews are those who are closest to us, those who are the most closely linked to us. It has historical.

Does he mean the Qazars? Does he mean the Qazars? What the floor? All right. And remember, this is in Solzhenitsyn talking. This is Struve writing. Right, right. This is not Solzhenitsyn, right.

Right. It is a historical paradox, but it is so. The Russian intelligentsia has always regarded the Jews as Russians, and it is neither fortuitous nor the effect of a misunderstanding. The deliberate initiative of rejecting Russian culture and asserting Jewish national singularity does not belong to the Russian intelligentsia, but to this

movement known as Zionism. I do not feel any sympathy for Zionism, but I understand that the problem of Jewish nationality does indeed exist, and it poses itself and even poses itself more and more. It is significant that he places national and Jewish in quotation marks. He still cannot believe that the Jews think of themselves as others. There does not exist. Yeah, that's in the parenthesis, in the parentheses, that was socializing.

There does not exist in Russia other foreigners who play a role as important in Russian culture. and here is another difficulty. They play this role while remaining Jews. One cannot, for example, deny the role of the Germans in Russian culture and science, but by immersing themselves in Russian culture, the Germans completely blend into it. With the Jews, that's another matter. I don't know what he's, you know, part of Russian identity very early on,

we talked about this, oh, God knows how many years ago when we started this thing, Um, Zvatoslav, um, destroying the Khazar Khanate. The slave raids, the, um, um, the tolls that they charged at the Volga. You know, it, there was always a contempt for this, this, this, this, this Judaism. They're, they're Khazars, especially if, if, if no other place than in Russia. So even talking about Semites When you're right next to literally right next to Khazaria Doesn't doesn't make any sense to me

Clearly these are Khazar Turks Or you know mixed Turks Whatever they whatever else is down there But No Russian Jews Don't see themselves as Russians Unless of course it benefits them for the moment You know

they play an important role, that's for sure. It doesn't mean it's a good role in Russian culture, but it also comes from the fact that they could buy it, that they simply had the power. What are they talking about equal rights for when you have people like this saying that they control the cultural discourse, or at least, or number two in the cultural discourse here?

And we know that the peasants hated them. You know that many of the Russian-speaking merchants hated them. They've dealt with them before, especially in the western part of the country. country. You know, people who have actually dealt with them one-on-one. And it's hard, you know, some of these liberals, I mean, Kant even didn't like them. Of all people, Kant didn't like them. But, you know, he's still a beacon of the Enlightenment. You know, it's hard to believe that a lot of these guys maybe didn't believe what they were saying.

Yeah, there was a lot of foreigners within. the Russian Empire, Russia wasn't a country, it was an empire. Russia is an empire. The Russian Empire is something different. But this nonsense, that this Russian society has always viewed Jews as closest to them is utter nonsense. I mentioned the Khazaria thing, because that was some of Russia's very early sense of self-identity came from its wars with Khazaria. The exact opposite is true. And he concludes, we must not deceive our national feeling or hide our faces.

I have a right, like any Russian, to these feelings. The better it understood, the less there will be misunderstandings in the future. Yes. Oh, if we had woken up, as much as we are, a few decades earlier, the Jews, they had awakened long before the Russians. I think this is a good place to stop for the day. Yeah, yeah, we to keep going with Shroove. It's already close to an hour. All right.

Yeah, this is perfect. Yeah, and you're not feeling well. So, yeah, I am not. At least we got something recorded. Good. All right. I encourage everyone. Go to the show notes.

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