The Pete Quiñones Show - Reading Solzhenitsyn's '200 Years Together' w/ Dr Matthew Raphael Johnson - Part 53
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I want to welcome everyone back to part 53 of our reading of 200 years together by Alexander Solzhenyson.
How you doing today, Dr.
Johnson. You know what? I'm doing very well. And partially because finally, I was able to talk to
Sven Longshanks on the phone. Oh, wow. Because of his probation, he has a list. And it took me a while
to get on there. And we had a long conversation yesterday morning and a little bit this morning.
And I tell you, he is, he is an inspiration. I mean, it's like you know.
never, you know, he's in very good shape.
He is going to be done with all of this stuff and right back in action by November.
I think his probation is up.
But he's one of the happiest guys that I've ever, I've ever spoken to.
And I was expecting to, you know, have to be a count.
counselor to him a little bit. But prison in Wales is a little different than prison in the U.S., especially in the cities.
And it was almost like a college experience for him. He had all his medical stuff taken care of.
And it was, you know, I wasn't expecting any of this. But he is in, he's in very good shape.
He'll be back with us very soon.
That's good to hear.
I'm glad he's out from under all of this and glad he's in good, good spirits.
Yeah.
Prison.
I wasn't expecting.
I'm not going to tell you something else, though.
He also wanted to thank, I don't know who's listening, but he wanted to thank everyone who's kept up with him.
Like, obviously, it was me.
Grandpa Dan was the guys from R.A. and Britain, revolutionary alternative or national, whatever it is.
I can't think the group.
National alternative, patriotic alternative.
That's it, PA in Britain.
I don't know if anyone else was doing it,
but if you guys helped them out, sent the money, contacted him at any point in the last few years,
he wants to thank you personally.
That's awesome.
Good to hear.
Good to hear.
Think he'll be on the, on radio, I'll be on again soon.
I don't want to say one way or the other.
Okay.
Understood.
All right.
Yeah.
Start in a new chapter.
Today, it's good that we start off with good news and start in a new chapter today.
So we will jump right in.
All right.
Chapter 12.
During the war, 1914 to 1916.
The first World War was undoubtedly the greatest of the follies of the 20th century.
With no real motives or purposes, three major European powers, Germany, Russia, Austria, Hungary,
clashed in a deadly battle, which resulted in the first two not recovering.
for the duration of the century, and the third disintegrating.
As for the two allies of Russia, seemingly victors,
they held out for another quarter of a century
and then lost their power of domination forever.
Henceforth, the whole of Europe ceased to fulfill
its proud mission of guiding humanity,
becoming an object of jealousy and incapable of keeping it,
keeping in its weakened hands its colonial possessions.
I can't disagree with a syllable there.
The only cause was Britain's fear of a Russo-German alliance, which would have knocked Great Britain out of the dominant position she had.
She is, Britain is the ultimate cause of the war.
The proximate cause of the war, of course, is Austria-Hungary.
Not so much of the assassination.
It doesn't make any sense.
He was a pro-Slavic,
Franz Ferdinand was a pro-Slavic royal.
You know, the Austrians gave up a list of conditions
that no normal country in the world could have ever met.
But Serbia, having suffered so badly during the Balkan War,
wars said yes to anyway. But Austria-Hungry invaded regardless. And it took three times.
They were defeated the first two times. They should have given them a clue that they weren't going
to do well in this war. And the third time with German assistance, finally they were they were
subdued. And they dragged Russia in Balkans. That was the weak point that the British saw that they
could sort of bring the Dramatics and the Slavs into contention.
And it worked, unfortunately.
And it's, but other than that, it had no purpose.
It had no motive.
Europe has never recovered from that.
And World War II just piled on.
You think of the dysgenic nature of the slaughter.
Entire classes of military academies in France and Turkey and Britain.
and Russia wiped out the best of the best.
It is a tragedy beyond belief.
I can't believe any of these boys.
They were boys.
There were no women there ever could tolerate trench warfare for very long,
let alone the fact that poison gas was used.
You were guaranteed to be injured and the condition that Germany was in afterwards.
it just
it was absolutely
absolutely mindless
but it was
in the interest of not just the British
but the left
and the revolutionary parties in general
none of the three emperors
and even less Nicholas I second
and his entourage had realized
in what war they were plunging
they could imagine neither its scale
nor its violence
apart from Stilippe and after him
Dernovo
the authorities had not understood the warning addressed to Russia between 1904 and 1906.
Yeah, you should note, I mean, given how science had progressed,
I don't know how science ever really came out of there on the offensive.
You know, the development of all of these weapons of war.
I mean, you saw it with, you know, the Franco-Prussian, but not at this scale.
The machine gun, poison gas, the tank late in the war, the first air war, the slaughter.
no one knew that this war was going to be the slaughter that it became and that the mindless slaughter
that it became. And so certain people can be forgiven. But I think he's going to mention at some
point here, Rasputin, who did say to Zarnikoulos, if you mobilize, in other words, if you enter into
this war, you will not survive.
of it. You won't come out of it. And like many of his predictions, it was absolutely correct.
Let us consider the same war with the eyes of the Jews. And these three neighboring empires
live three quarters of the Jews of the planet and 90% of the Jews of Europe, who were on top of
that living in the area of future military operations of the province of Kovno, then Livonia,
up to Austrian, Galicia, then Romania. And the war placed them before an interoperable.
interrogation as pressing as it was painful, could all, living on the front steps of these three
empires, preserve their imperial patriotism until these conditions? For if, for the armies that were
advancing, behind the front was the enemy, for the Jews established in these regions, behind the
front lived neighbors and co-religionists. They could not want this war. Could their mindset shift
brutally towards patriotism? As for the ordinary Jews, those are the pale of settlement.
were even, they had even less reason to support the Russian army. We have seen that a quarter century
before the Jews of Western Russia had helped the Russians against Napoleon, but in 1914,
it was quite different. In the name of what would they, in the name of what would they help the Russian army?
On behalf of the Pala settlement? On the contrary, did the war not give rise to the hope of a liberation?
With the arrival of the Austrians and the Germans, a new Pala settlement was not going to be
establish the numerous clauses would not be maintained in the educational establishments.
I said before that the left, of course, anytime the left takes over, it's at the barrel of a gun.
But they tend to take over during periods of warfare because there's tremendous trauma.
People are very suggestible.
There's tremendous chaos.
And this was chaos like no other.
I mean, in the name of what would they help?
Well, you could ask anybody that in the name of what.
And it pisses me off to no end.
The people talk about nationalism.
Well, most of these were international empires,
empires that had many nations within them.
I also should note that this calls for war were mostly from parliaments.
Monarchs, you know, I mean, Nicholas and Wilhelm were cousins.
Monarchs were a lot more iffy.
It was the parliaments that were screaming for war.
Not realizing, of course, what was going to happen.
This is how it benefited the revolutionary movement.
Europe would never be the same again.
This is a total watershed in European history.
And to use the word like this genic, it just doesn't give, you know,
sometimes it's extremely upsetting to read the casualties like at the psalm and places like that
or the best European manhood were slaughtered for no reason.
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It is precisely in the western part of the Pala settlement that the Bund remained, retained influence.
And Lenin tells us that its members are in their majority Germanophiles and rejoice at the defeat of Russia.
We also learned that during the war of the Jewish Autonomist Movement, Vorwarts, adopted an openly pro-German position.
Nowadays, a Jewish writer notes finally that if one reflects on the meaning of the formula, God, the Tsar, the fatherland, it is impossible to imagine a Jew, a loyal subject of the empire who could have taken this formula seriously, in other words, in the first degree.
But in the capitals, things were different. Despite their positions of 1904 to 1905, the influential Jewish circles, like the Russian liberals, offered their support to the autocratic regime when the conflict first broke out. They proposed a pact.
The patriotic fervor which swept Russia did not leave the Jews aside.
It was the time when, seeing the Russian patriotism of the Jews,
Pereshkovich embraced the rabbis.
As for the press, not Novi Vremia, but the liberal press, half Jewish, according to Vita,
the same one who expressed and oriented the joltz of public opinion and who in 1905
literally demanded the capitulation of power.
it was from the first days of the war moved by patriotic enthusiasm.
Quote, over the head of little Serbia, the sword is raised against Russia,
the guarantor of the inalienable rights of millions of people to work and to life, end quote.
At an extraordinary meeting of the Duma, quote,
the representatives of the different nationalities and different parties were all on this historic day,
inhabited by the same thought, a single emotion made all the voices tremble,
that no one lay a hand on St. Russia.
We are ready for all sacrifices to defend the honor and dignity of Russia,
one and indivisible.
God, the Tsar, the people, and victory is assured.
We Jews defend our country because we are deeply attached to it, end quote.
That's hard for me to completely believe.
I could see why liberal parties might have went that way,
but it was also in their interests.
Now again, there was no way
I mean the supply problems the Russians had were everywhere.
Nothing was worse than the Turks and the Austrians.
They all had severe supply problems.
That's the proof that no one expected this level of slaughter.
The sheer mass of men that had to be mobilized.
But as far as the dues were concerned, this war, which came out of nothing,
suddenly made them attached to Russia.
I don't believe.
Even if behind this, there was a well-founded calculation, the expectation of a gesture of
recognition in return, the attainment of equal rights, even if it was only once the war was
over, the government had to, by accepting this unexpected ally, decide to assume, or promise
to assume, its share of obligations.
And in fact, did the achievement of equal rights necessarily have to come through the revolution?
Moreover, the crushing of the insurrection of Stalipin had led to a decline in interest in politics in Russia as well as Jewish circles,
which at the very least meant that there was a move away from the revolution.
As Chulgin declared, combating the Jews and Germans simultaneously was above the forces of power in Russia.
It was necessary to conclude a pact with somebody.
This new alliance with the Jews had to be formalized.
It was necessary to produce at least a document containing promises, as had been,
been done for the polls. But only Stalipin would have had the intelligence and the courage to do so.
Without him, there was no one to understand the situation and take the appropriate decisions.
And from the spring of 1915, even more serious mistakes were made.
The liberal circles, including the elite of the Jewish community, also had in view another
consideration that they took for a certainty. From the year 1907, again, without urgent necessity,
Nicholas II had allowed himself to be dragged into a military alliance with England.
thus putting around his neck the rope of the subsequent confrontation with Germany.
And now, all the progressive circles in Russia were making the following analysis.
The alliance with the democratic powers and the common victory with them
would inevitably lead to a global democratization of Russia at the end of the war,
and consequently the definitive establishment of equal rights for the Jews.
There was, therefore, a sense for the Jews of Russia,
and not only for those who lived in Petersburg and Moscow,
to aspire to the victory of Russia and the war,
war. There was a very deep irony, though, in having Russia as part of the Entente. It made no
political sense. Russia and Germany, in fact, I'm going to talk about that tonight, the
Orthodox nationalist and from a philosophical point of view, are natural allies, not just because
they were related monarchs, but because they had similar systems, they had similar values,
similar economies even
so yeah
to allow Russia to be brought into
there was a lot of French investment in the Russian Empire at the time
which is kind of it came not by way of England it came by way of France
and of course you know
they didn't realize what was going to happen
at least these you know the people in the Zuma at the time
had no idea what was going to happen
elite circles may have had an idea that, yes, okay, oh, wait,
Russia's in, in, in, uh, alliance with England.
Oh, there may be hope after all.
Because remember, the, the, the revolution of 1905, 1907, that had been crushed.
Um, um, the economy was growing tremendously up until that point.
Um, as I've said before, or was discovered in, in the southern part of the country.
That's one of the things that set the British off.
that you have this massive country that's now industrializing
that has a lot of assistance from both Germany and France,
huge population, and now oil?
And the Rockefellers went in and they tried to buy it up.
They certainly owned it afterwards.
A lot of the equipment was Rothschild-based.
And that has something to do with the alliance of Russia,
with the rest of the entente.
And that goes, you know, Turkey was a central power too.
Well, that kind of makes some sense.
But it comes down to whoever was opposing Austria-Hungary as they tried to crush Serbia.
And again, it's one of the most heroic stands of any army in the world.
That an exhausted army, it took the Austrians three times.
three separate invasions to take the Serbs and bring them to heal.
But as far as the left was concerned, they think that this would lead to something later.
They didn't realize how good it was going to be for them.
But these considerations were counterbalanced by the precipitated, massive expulsion of the Jews from the area of the front,
ordered by the general staff at the time of the Great Retreat of 1915.
That the latter had the power to do so was the result of ill-considered,
decisions taken at the beginning of the war. In July 1914, in the heat of the action, in the
agitation which reigned in the face of the imminence of conflict, the emperor had signed
without reflection as a document of secondary importance, the provisional regulation of the field
service which gave the general staff unlimited power over all the neighboring regions of the front,
with a very wide territorial extension, and this without any consultation with the Council of
ministers. At the time, no one had attached any importance to this document because all were
convinced that the Supreme Command would always be assured by the Emperor and that there would be,
there could be no conflict with the Cabinet. But as early as July 1914, the Emperor was
persuaded not to assume the Supreme Command of the Armies. As a wise man, the latter proposed
the post to his favorite, the fine speaker, Sukumlenov, the minister of defense, who naturally
declined this honor. It was the great prince Nikolaovich, who was appointed, and the latter did not
consider it possible to begin by upsetting the composition of the general staff, at the head of which
was General Yanushkovich. But at the same time, the provisional regulations were not altered,
that the administration of a third of Russia was in the hands of Yanushkovich, an insignificant man
who was not even a military officer by profession. I think the Germans did something like that, too,
as far as expelling the Jews from the front. And I think it has something to do with their, you know,
usurious rates for supplies. The Jews were, unfortunately, had to be relied upon for a lot of this.
but at the merchant level, at the local level, Jews were, you know, gouging the Russians.
And of course, no one knew where their loyalties lay anyway.
So I think it wasn't just the Russians that did that.
I think the Germans did it too, but I may be mistaken.
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From the very beginning of the war,
orders were given locally for the expulsion of the Jews from the army areas.
In August 1914, the newspapers read,
the rights of the Jews,
telegraphic instruction to all the governors of provinces and cities to stop the acts of mass
individual expulsion of Jews. But from the beginning of 1915, as testified, the Dr. D. Pesmanic,
a medic on the front during the war, suddenly throughout the area of the front and in all circles
close to power spread the rumor that the Jews were doing espionage.
During the summer of 19, Yanukovic, precisely him, tried to make.
mask the retreat of the Russian armies, which at that time seemed appalling by ordering the mass
deportation of the Jews from the front area, arbitrary deportation without any examination of individual
cases. It was so easy to blame all the defeat on the Jews. I don't think that was the case at all.
That had been an ongoing policy. The only time the Russians really took the offense was when
Nicholas took over the army. That's when the breakthrough occurred and Germany then found itself
in a severely difficult situation. Then, of course, the entry of the U.S. at the end of the war
changed everything. So I think he's being a little bit of, he's exaggerating just a bit there.
These accusations may not have come about without the help of the German general staff,
which issued a proclamation calling on the Jews of Russia to rise up against their government.
opinion supported by many sources prevails that in this case it was Polish influence that was at work.
As Leosberg wrote, just before the war, there had been a brutal explosion of anti-Semitism.
Quote, a campaign against Jewish domination and industry and commerce.
When war broke out, it was at its zenith, and the Poles endeavored by all means to tarnish
the image of the Jewish populations in the eyes of the Supreme Command by spreading all sorts of
nonsense and legends about Jewish espionage. Immediately after the promises made by Nikolai Nikolaevich
in the appeal to the polls of August 14th, the latter found that in Warsaw the Central Committee of the
bourgeoisie, which did not include a single Jew, whereas in Poland the Jews represented 14%
of the population. In September, there was a pogrom against the Jews in Slovak in Slovakie.
Then, during the retreat of 1915, the agitation which reigned in the midst of the army,
facilitated the spread of the calumnies made up by the Poles.
Pesmanic asserts that he is in a position to prove that the first rumors about the treason of the Jews were propagated by the polls,
a part of which was actively assisting the Germans.
Seeking to avert suspicion, they hasten to spread the rumors that the Jews were engaged in espionage.
In connection with this expulsion of Jews, several sources emperorses.
emphasize the fact that Yanukovych himself was a poll converted to orthodoxy.
I think we've already established that there was no obvious principle other than British self-interest,
but no moral principle was involved at all with this war. We've also established the Jews hated
Russia and the Tsar probably more than any other place, any other group of Guiam. So,
I guess that would be a very mild reason for them to want to fight the Russian war effort.
But then they'd be on the same side as Vienna and Berlin and the Ottoman Empire, which, again, that was, that was no, as far as the Jews are concerned, that was no better.
So they really didn't have much of a reason to support one side or the other.
So they ended up just profiteering instead.
He may have undergone the influence, but we consider these explanations insufficient and in no way
justifying the attitude of the Russian general staff.
Of course, the Jews in the front area could not break their ties with the neighboring villages,
interrupt the Jewish post, and turn into enemies of their co-religionists.
Moreover, in the eyes of the Jews in the palest settlement, the Germans appeared as a European
nation of high culture, much different from the Russians and the Poles.
The black shadow of Auschwitz had not yet covered.
the earth and crossed the Jewish conscience. At that time, the Times correspondent, Stephen Graham,
reported that as soon as a smoke of a German ship appeared on the horizon, the Jewish population
of Libaba forgot the Russian language and began to speak German. If they had to leave, the Jews preferred
to go to the German side, which is hilarious because they also did that at the end of World War II.
When the Russians were advancing on camps, they left with the Germans. The hostility displayed by the
Russian army and then their deportation could only provoke their bitterness and cause some of them to
collaborate openly with the Germans. In addition to the accusations against the Jews living in these
areas, the Jews were accused of cowardice and desertion. Father George Chavelsky, chaplain of the Russian
army, was attached to the staff but often went to the front and was well informed of all that was going
on there. He wrote in his memoirs. From the first days of the war, it was repeated with insistence
that the Jewish soldiers were cowards and deserters, and local Jews spies and traitors.
There were many examples of Jews who had gone to the enemy or fled,
or Jewish civilians who had given information to the enemy,
or in the course of their offensives,
had delivered to them Russian soldiers and officers who had lingered on the spot, et cetera, et cetera.
The more time passed, the more our situation deteriorated,
the more the hatred and the exasperation against the Jews increased.
Rumors were spreading from the front to the rear.
They created a climate that was becoming dangerous for all Jews in Russia.
Sergeant Lieutenant M. Lemke, a socialist who was then in staff,
recorded in the newspaper he was secretly keeping reports from the Southwest Front in December
1915. He noted in particular,
there is a disturbing increase in the number of Jewish and Polish defectors,
not only in the advanced positions, but also in the rear of the front.
In November 1915, one even heard during a meeting of the Progressive Block Bureau
the following remarks noted by Milikov,
which people gave proof of its absence of patriotism, the Jews.
I don't know what they expected.
You can't expect anything else.
If the Jews had any loyalty,
it would probably be to London,
which of course Russia was aligned with.
But the very fact that the Germans had already,
in the most short-sighted policy in the history of diplomacy,
started financing revolutionary movements.
And we've already mentioned the circular for the Jews of Russia to overthrow their government or whatever it was.
You know, there was some connections being made now with the Germans.
So I know at the time there was tremendous divisions, you know, who was pro-British.
And you could be pro-British without being pro-Russian,
despite the fact that they're in the same coalition.
So it was, it was, it got very confusing at this point.
But you can't expect patriotism out of them.
And I'm, I'm willing to bet that the Jews of Germany were doing the same things there,
that the Jews of Russia were doing at the Pell of Settlement.
But if they had one country that they were focusing on where, you know,
because of the Rothschilds, it was, it was Britain as their, as their ally.
In Germany and Austria-Hungary, the Jews could occupy high-level positions in the administration
without having to abjure their religion, and this was also true in the army.
While in Russia, a Jew could not become an officer if he did not convert to Orthodoxy,
and Jews with higher levels of education were most often completing their military service as simple soldiers.
One could understand that they did not rush in to serve in such an army.
In spite of this, Jews were decorated with the cross of St. George.
George. Captain G.S. Dumbozza recalled a Jew, a law student who received this declaration four times, but refused to enter the school of officers in order not to have to convert, which would have caused his father to die of grief. Later, he was executed by the Bolsheviks.
I'm not sure that that's, that's, that's enough to push the Jews towards the, the, the German side.
that's the Israeli army the IDF operates that way
Arabs can't can't serve as soldiers or sailors
and for the same reason that Russia kept them out of
out of the officer schools
they knew way too much about how the Jews were
functioning but that's kind of a very kind of a minor issue
that I don't think was sufficient to push the Jews
one way or the other. I think
between Germany and
Russia,
the Jews were working together, of course, for revolution
and selling out the governments that they lived
under at the same time. I mean, after all, the more
going to kill, the better, just like the war today
in Ukraine.
But, you know, the Russians
were the last ones to hold out
as to, you know, Jews
in the army. It was out of the question, as
as high-level officers.
But we even know that there were a few high-level officers in Hitler's armulator.
But there may have been false conversions.
I can't speak to that one way or the other.
But Russia was the last one to hold out.
Now, of course, once the Ottoman Empire fell,
the new Turkish government was very Masonic and Judaic.
but
but of course
that's a whole separate matter
so yeah later he was executed by the Bullsvix
yeah I understand your laughter there
yeah
that's just the irony
but the um I was going to say
yeah there are Arabs that serve in the IDF
currently and the Hasbores love to post pictures
of them but they don't tell you that they're basically
servants they're not
handing them right they're not handing them
Galeals
yeah yeah
Yeah, yeah, they're service workers.
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infoes he sky dot a slash beads for all that it was it would be
unreliable and implausible to conclude that all these accusations
were mere fabrications chivalski writes the question is too vast and
complex but i cannot help saying that at that same time there was no
lack of motives for accusing the jews in times of peace it was tolerated that
they be assigned to civilian tasks during the war the jews
the combat units. During the offensives, they were often in the rear when the army retreated.
When the army retreated, they were at the front. More than once, they spread panic in their units.
It cannot be denied that the cases of espionage of going over to the enemy were not rare.
We couldn't avoid finding suspicious that the Jews were also perfectly informed of what was
happening on the front. The, quote, Jewish telephone sometimes worked better and faster than all
the countryside's telephones. It was not uncommon for the news of the front to be known in the small
hamlet of Baranovichy situated near the general staff even before they reached a supreme
commander and his general staff. Lemke points out the Jewish origins of Chevelski himself.
A rabbi from Moscow went to the staff to try to persuade Chevelski that the Jews are like the
others. They are there are some courageous, there are some cowards, there are those,
who are loyal to their country, there are also the bastards, the traitors, and he cited examples
taken from other wars.
Quote, although it was very painful for me, I had to tell them everything I knew about
the conduct of Jews during this war, but we were not able to reach an agreement.
It's very hard to wrap my brain around Jews fighting for anyone other than their own state
or a country allied with their own state.
so it would make some sense that there would be, you know, Jewish officers in the British Army
on high levels, the diplomacy and all that.
But Germany, Russia, Austria, Hungary, that's, you know, I'm not sure what they're fighting
for exactly.
Their purpose could only be one of espionage or to damage their host countries.
Here is yet the testimony of a contemporary.
Abraham Zissman, an engineer, then assigned to the evacuation commission, recalled half a century later,
quote, to my great shame, I must say that the Jews who were near the front behaved very despicably,
giving the German army all the help they could.
There were also charges of strictly economic nature against the Jews who supplied the Russian army.
Lemke thus copied the order of the general staff signed by the emperor on the very day of his taking office,
as supreme commander. This order had therefore been prepared by Janashkevich. Jewish suppliers abused
the orders for bandages, horses bred given to them by the army. They received from the military
authorities documents certifying that they had been entrusted with the task of making purchases
for needs of the army, but without any indication of quantity or place. Then the Jews have certified
copies of these documents made and distributed to their accomplices, thus acquiring the possibility
of making purchases all over the empire.
Quote, thanks to the solidarity between them and their considerable financial resources,
they control vast areas where are bought mainly horses and bread,
which artificially raise prices and makes more difficult the work of the officials
responsible of supplies.
Yeah, I mentioned that already.
Even right down to your typical merchant selling bread, which is one of the reasons
that so many of them were removed, clearly that wasn't enforced all the time.
time.
But yeah, this was something, you know, extremely important that, and I, the Germans, you know,
I guess learn their lesson here.
But I'm, I also know, I mean, we know that the early NS movement was talking about the Jews
doing this exact same thing with the, the German army.
The only time it shifted was when it became clear when the Jewish telephone, which was very
effective when it became clear that the Germans were supporting the Leninists and those aligned with them.
Trotsky was a different story.
They came together later on, but for no other reason than to get to get rid of remove Russia from the war, which really was one of the reasons that the communists, at least in some circles in the West, were seen as just German agents.
They certainly weren't.
They just received assistance from them.
And the assistance really came from British and American banks via institutions in Germany.
So you can't even say that it was directly from the Germans.
So as the war dragged on, there was a bit of a tilt, maybe even a great tilt towards Germany once it became clear that they were assisting the revolutionaries.
But all these facts cannot justify the conduct.
of Yanashkevich and the general staff.
Without making an effort to separate the good wheat from the chaff,
the Russian High Command launched an operation,
as massive as it was inept for the expulsion of the Jews.
Particularly striking was the attitude toward the Jews of Galicia
who lived in the Austro-Hungarian territory.
From the beginning of the First World War,
tens of thousands of Jews fled from Galicia to Hungary, Bohemia, and Vienna.
Those who suffered greatly during the period of the Russian occupation,
of this region. Bullying, beatings, and even pogroms frequently organized by the Cossack units
became the daily lot of the Jews of Galicia. This is what Father Chavezky writes. In Galicia,
hatred toward the Jews was still fueled by the vexations inflicted under the Austrian dominance
of the Russian populations, in fact, Ukrainian and Ruthenian, by the powerful Jews. In other words,
these same populations were now participating in Cossack arbitrariness. In the province of
Kovno, all the Jews were deported without exception, the sick, the wounded soldiers, the families of the soldiers who were at the front.
Hostages were required under the pretext of preventing acts of espionage, and the facts of this kind became commonplace.
I think what he's trying to say is that this was a self-fulfilling prophecy.
If that's true, if there was some bullying, whatever it is, there were lots of people who were struggling like that during the war, if the Jews perceived themselves to be,
unfairly treated by the Cossacks, especially.
That's their whole purpose for existence.
Yeah, then they will then oppose the Russian Empire.
I think that's what Solzhenitsyn's getting at here,
that even if the Jews were behaving badly,
removing them made things much worse.
This deportation of the Jews appears in a stronger light than in 1915,
contrary to what would happen in 1941.
There was no a mass evacuation of urban populations.
The army was withdrawing.
The civilian population remained there.
Nobody was driven out.
But the Jews and they alone were driven out,
all without exception and in the shortest possible time,
not to mention the moral wound that this represented for each one.
This brought about the ruin,
the loss of one's house, one's property.
Was it not in another form,
always the same pogrom of great magnitude,
but this time provoked by the authorities and not by the populace.
How can we not understand the Jewish misfortune?
To this we must add that Yanashkovich, like the high-ranking officers who were under his command,
acted without any logical reflection in disorder, precipitation, incoherence,
which could only add to the confusion.
There exists no chronicle nor account of all these military decisions,
only echoes scattered in the press of the time,
and also in the archives of the Russian Revolution by I.V. Heson, a series of documents collected at random
without follow-up, and then as Lempka copies of documents made by individuals.
This scattered data, nevertheless, allows us to form an opinion on what happened.
Some of these provisions foresee expelling Jews from the area of military operations in the direction
of the enemy, which would mean in the direction of the Austrians across the front line,
to send back to Galicia the Jews originating from there.
Other directives foresee deporting them to the rear of the front, sometimes at a short distance.
Sometimes on the left bank of the Deneper, sometimes even beyond the Volga.
Sometimes it is cleansing the Jews of a zone of five verses from the front.
Sometimes we speak of a zone of 50-verse.
The evacuation timeframes are sometimes five days with authorization to take away one's property,
sometimes 24 hours, probably without this authorization. As for the resistors, they will be taken under escort.
Or even, no evacuation, but in the events of retreat, take hostages among the significant Jews,
especially the rabbis, in case Jews denounce either Russians or Poles, who are well disposed
in regards to Russia. In the events of execution of these by Germans carry out the execution of the
hostages, but how can we know verified that there were executions in German occupied territory?
It was truly an incredible system.
Other instruction, we do not take hostages.
We just designate them among the Jewish population inhabiting our territories.
They will bear responsibility for espionage in favor of the enemy committed by other Jews.
Or even avoid at all costs that the Jews be aware of the location of the trenches dug in the
rear of the front so that they cannot communicate it to the Austrians through their co-religious.
it was known that Romanian Jews could easily cross the border, or even, on the contrary, obliged
precisely civilian Jews to dig the trenches, or even order given by the commander of the military
region of Kassan, General Sandetsky, known for his despotic behavior, assemble all the Jewish
soldiers in marching battalions and send them to the front, or conversely, discontent provoked by
the presence of Jews in the combat units, their military ineptitude.
I don't think it's ineptitude.
I just think it was a total lack of interest.
We know what kind of soldiers, Jews can be.
They're Khazars, remember.
It was just that they weren't going to fight for the Russians,
especially under these conditions.
But without a paper trail,
it becomes very difficult to decide who did what and when.
The Poles were involved, the Germans were involved,
and the Russians were involved.
And because of the size of the front, if he's already seen here, crossing the border was pretty easy.
But, you know, assemble all the Jewish soldiers, marching battalion sent them to the front.
Well, what good would that do?
How is, how is that, how is that, how is that, how is that going to help the Russians at all?
So what I think what Solton Isson is getting at here is that, that these were self-defeating policies.
Understandable, but self-defeating.
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speeds. There is a feeling that in their campaign against the Jews, Yaneshkovich and the general
staff were losing their minds. What exactly did they want? During these particular difficult weeks of
infighting, when the Russian troops retreated, exhausted and short of ammunition, a flyer containing
elistic questions was sent to the heads of units and instructed them to assemble information
on the moral, military, physical qualities of Jewish soldiers, as well as their relations with
local Jewish populations, and the possibility was considered of completely excluding Jews from the
army after the war. We also do not know the exact number of displaced persons. In the book of the
Jewish-Russian world, we read that in April 1915, 40,000 Jews were exposed from the province
of Kourland, and in May, 120,000 of them were expelled from Kofno. In another place, the same book
gives an overall figure for the whole period amounting to 250,000, including.
including Jewish refugees, which means that the deportees would hardly have accounted for more
than half of this digit. After the revolution, the newspaper Nouveauvremia published information
according to which the evacuation of all the inhabitants of Galicia dispersed on the territory of
Russia 25,000 persons, including nearly a thousand Jews. These are numbers that, for the moment,
are too weak to be probable. Yeah, again, there is no paper trail here.
And remember, they weren't expelled.
They were simply removed a distance from the front.
That was the concern.
But end of 1915, beginning of 1916, that, you know, Jews were clearly looking to Germany
because they were the conduit of money to the revolutionaries.
On the 10th and 11th of May, 1915, the order was issued to put an end to the deportations
and these ceased.
Jabatinsky drew the conclusion of the.
expulsion of the Jews from the zone of the front in 1915 by speaking of a catastrophe,
probably unprecedented since the reign of Ferdinand and Isabella in Spain in the 15th century.
Shout out to my people.
But is there not also something of a move of history, in fact, that this massive deportation
itself and the indignant reactions are provoked would make a concrete contribution to the much
desired suppression of the palest settlement.
Leonid Andréyev had rightly observed, this famous barbarity of which we are accused of
rests entirely and exclusively on our Jewish question and its bloody outbursts.
Again, while this policy is understandable, it was also very short-sighted,
especially when they realized that the Germans, well, maybe they didn't realize that the Germans were
approaching the Jewish population somehow as allies.
And for no other reason, of course, and to get Russia out of the war,
not realizing what that was going to create later on to Germans were going to
rue for the rest of its existence.
But it wasn't barbarous.
Lots of people were removed from the front.
It wasn't like they were sent to Siberia.
It was just away from where the fighting was.
These deportations of Jews were resonant on a planetary scale.
From Petersburg during the war, Jews defending human rights transmitted information about the situations of their co-religionists to Europe.
Among them, Alexander Isayevich Brow distinguished himself by his tireless activity.
A.G.
Wow.
Shipenikov relates that Gorky had sent him documents on the persecution of the Jews in Russia.
He brought them to the United States.
All this information spread widely and rapidly in Europe and America,
raising a powerful wave of indignation.
This is also part of the reason why the Western powers,
and specifically the U.S. and the British,
didn't send a penny or a bullet to the white armies in the Civil War.
That's, this is part of the,
the reason why. This was part of the propaganda
reason why. And so
you had enemies on all fronts
as far as Russia was concerned.
You had the Germans trying to
knock them out of the war
through revolution.
And the British
and the Americans denouncing
they're supposed to be allies, denouncing
their policies here.
And so
when the civil war occurred, there
was no way. The white
armies where sometimes they were perceived as royalists, sometimes they weren't.
You did have royalist armies in the Civil War, but this is why there was no way they were going
in a way system whatsoever. They saw at least Trotsky's forces as the wave of the future.
And once Trotsky and Lenin started working together, you know, I mean, there was the same
movement, of course, but they had two different tracks. One was a train, other one was a ship.
then, you know, the Reds became, as a British said, there's a prime minister at the time who said,
Trotsky is the only statement in Russia.
I'm looking at this and I'm thinking that we should stop right here because we're going to start
talking about American involvement in this and get into Jacob Schiff and this is probably a good time to stop.
Yeah.
Yeah, I may have something to say about that.
I'm not sure.
I'm assuming so.
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