The Pete Quiñones Show - Reading Solzhenitsyn's '200 Years Together' w/ Dr Matthew Raphael Johnson - Part 62
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I want to welcome everyone back to part 62 of our reading of 200 years together by Alexander Solzhenycin.
Dr. Johnson, how are you today?
I just discovered that the song Lawyers, Guns, and Money from Warren Zivan is about the mercenaries fighting in the Congo in 1964.
I'm embarrassed. I didn't know that. It's not really obvious in the lyrics, but there's a couple of videos out there showing these guys.
A lot of them, former German infantry, a very neglected topic.
You know, connected with Rhodesia and everything else.
And I discovered it yesterday.
So it's an embarrassing thing, but like, you know, the communist meetings of Pol Pot, I'm condemning myself, you know, within the circle.
And I apologize for not knowing that.
It's terribly embarrassing that I didn't know that.
But it's really weird that he would write a song about that, of all things, in the 70s.
it's actually a very good song
but yesterday I discovered
what it was really about and it's just
I feel terrible
I learn something new all the time
you know when you when you see that
when you find out that Israel
was arming the
the white population in Rhodesia
and that
the Soviet Union was
arming the black
population in Rhodesia
you realize
well yeah the Soviet Union
wasn't always very pro-Jewish, as a matter of fact,
they went pro-Israel, at least,
they went out of their way to sometimes to fight against them
just proxy-wise as for just seems like just to do it.
Well, things get complicated in Africa.
I never got too deep into a lot of that stuff
because every country is really not really a country.
in sub-Saharan Africa, they're always subdivided into a million different ethnic groups,
different religions, that normally would be slaughtering each other, enslaving each other,
which is, you know, part of the reason that they're always struggling, but things get very complicated.
And South Africa is no different.
Everything that we predicted, me and you, I was actually interested in that issue in college, 1990, 91.
everything we predicted that would happen in South Africa
actually happened even worse than we thought it would.
All right, let's go to another horrifying time,
picking up where we left off last time.
By autumn, the activity of Jews in power
had created such an effect that even Erskine sparks,
the illustrated supplement to the surpassingly gentle Rusco Slovo,
Russian word, that would until then never dare
defying public opinion in such a way, had published an abrasive anti-Jewish caricature in the
October 29th issue, that is, already during fights of the October coup in Moscow.
The Executive Committee of the Soviet of Workers and Soldiers' Deputies actively fought against
anti-Semitism. I cannot rule out that the...
Really?
Shocked. I cannot rule out that the harsh refusal to accept the well-deserved plekinoff into the
CEC in April 1917 was a kind of revenge for his anti-Bund referral to the tribe of GAD, which was
mentioned in Lenin's publications.
Indeed, I cannot provide any other explanation.
On July 21st, the first all Russian Congress of Soviets had issued a proclamation about
a struggle against anti-Semitism, about the only resolution approved by the Congress unanimously
without any objections or arguments.
When in the end of June 28th and 29th, the re-elected Bureau of the CEC had assembled,
they had heard a report on the rise of anti-Semitic agitation, mainly in the northwestern and southwestern Gubernayas.
A decision was made immediately to send a delegation of 15 members to the CEC with special powers there,
subordinating them to the direction of the Department on the struggle against counter-revolution.
Well, that says it all.
sometimes I don't think that they, at the time, they realized the full implication of what they were saying.
But that was also Lenin's argument.
Over and over again, at the time, Lenin wrote that to be anti-Semitic is to be anti-Soviet.
To be anti-Soviet is to be anti-Semitic.
And being an anti-Semite, however they defined it, you know, we've spoken about that before,
Lenin's definition of the term.
And of course, it's on the rise in those places,
former Pala settlement in St. Petersburg,
because that's where their power was growing.
It's a full and open admission that this was a Jewish movement.
And I did a whole show, as you know, on the laws and the decrees that Lenin put out,
you know, actually small articles that eventually took the force of law
saying what I've, you know, to be anti-Semitic is to fight the revolution,
which is a very odd thing to say if it wasn't an almost entirely Jewish
revolution.
Now, it's somewhat of a myth that they got shot.
initially the prison terms were a little, you know, they weren't very long. During war time, they were shot.
But at this point, where you're dealing with a lot of chaos, there really weren't any trials going on.
So it was simply assumed that if you criticize the Jews, politically speaking, there's no way you could be supportive of Lenin or the revolution, Trotsky.
and the Soviets.
So at this point, it wasn't in law yet,
but it will be very soon once Lenin takes over in October.
On the other hand, Bolsheviks,
who advanced their agenda under the slogan,
down with the minister's capitalists,
not only did nothing to alleviate this problem,
they even fanned its flames,
along with the anarchists,
despite the fact that the latter were headed by one Blakeman.
They claim that the executive committee was so exceptionally lenient toward the government only because capitalists and Jews control everything.
Isn't that reminiscent of Naranaya Volga, the People's Will terrorist organization of 1881?
And when the Bolshevik uprising of July 3rd through 4th broke out, it was in fact targeted, not against the already impotent provisional government, but against the Bolsheviks' true competitor, executive committee.
the Bolsheviks sly exploited the anger of soldiers towards Jews by pointing them to that very body.
See, there they are.
Yeah, they don't really have principles.
They'll use it.
Of course, they were vehemently opposed to any anti-Jewish thinking whatsoever.
But if they can use it at the moment to hurt their enemies, they will.
You know, you have Ukrainians claiming to be national socialist fighting for Zelensky.
I mean, there's no principles with these people.
And we still have the problem, and we've talked about it months ago, actually, that the Bolsheviks have to try to dance around the issue that some of the most powerful capitalists and concentrations of capital are under Jewish control.
So how can you be anti-capitalist and not point out the Jews?
They clearly were a disproportionate share of the millionaires of the old society.
And this is part of the reason why the laws had to be passed.
And keep in mind that the Bolsheviks, on the one hand, the executive committee or the Soviet and Petersburg and the other,
they didn't disagree on much.
There was a lot of personality problems.
and they would, you know, someone, if one of the other powers did something they didn't like, they would say that this was against socialism.
They were very, very similar.
And it was funny that they mentioned the anarchists, because as we know, Mikhail Bakunin was, we talked about this too.
One of the many early leftists who said that Karl Marx was on the Jewish payroll, on the Rothschild payroll.
And that Jews have created so much misery.
in society. In fact, if you're for listeners who don't know what we're talking about,
you go back to that, I don't even remember when it was now, a couple of weeks ago,
all the founders, whether it be anarchism, socialism, Marxism,
all had a problem with the Jews. They talk just like we do.
Prudhon, it blows me away. The founder of energy actually created the name,
anarchism.
But because the Jews were very powerful, anarchists were going to have a problem with them.
So, and yeah, it's also a Jewish movement.
Blikman, I don't know who that is.
He's not one of the major names.
But it was the anarchist who initially pointed out Marx's background.
That's why he was thrown out of the first international.
And anarchism became a very eccentric competitor to Marxism.
But of course, as the years went on, it became just another Jewish expression,
an absurd but Jewish expression.
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But when the Bolsheviks had lost their uprising,
the CEC had conducted an official investigation
and many members of the commission of inquiry
were Jews from the presidium of the CEC.
And because of their socialist conscience,
they dared not call the Bolshevik uprising a crime
and deal with it accordingly.
So the commission had yielded no result
and was soon liquidated.
During the government,
garrison meeting arranged by the CEC on October 19th just before the decisive Bolshevik uprising,
one of representatives of 176th Infantry Regiment, a Jew, warned that those people on the street
screamed the Jews are responsible for all the wrongs. At the CEC meeting during the night of October
25th, Gendelman reported that when he was giving a speech in the Peter and Paul Fortress earlier that
afternoon, he was taunted, you are Gendelman. That is, you are a Yid and a rightist. When
On October 27th, Goetz and his delegation to Kerensky tried to depart to Gatchina from the Baltisky
rail terminal.
He was nearly killed by sailors who screamed that the Soviets are controlled by Yids.
And during the wine pogroms on the eve of the glorious Bolshevik revolution, the calls
slaughter Yids were heard also.
Well, from either one of the two sides mentioned, either the Soviets on one side or the,
or the Leninist and the other.
That's the pot calling the kettle black.
They were both heavily Jewish.
And when they say rightist, just be careful.
They're talking about right wing relative to socialism,
not right wing like we use the term.
So, but if they could use it against their opponents, they will.
They knew that no one really liked them.
They knew that they dominated this movement.
it was for their own interests, but occasionally when it suited their interest, they would use it.
That didn't happen very much, and certainly didn't happen after October, but this was one of the ways that
it could be really a stalemate in the July days of 1917.
And yet there was not a single Jewish pogrom over the whole year of 1917.
The infamous outrageous pogroms in Kalusha and Turnipole were in
fact the work of frenzy drunk revolutionary soldiers retreating in disorder. They smashed everything
on their way, all shops and stores, and because most of those were Jewish owned, the words spread
about Jewish pogroms. A similar program took place in St. Nislovov, with its much smaller Jewish
population, and quite reasonably, it was not labeled a Jewish pogrom. Yeah, these silly thing,
I mean, the Jews tried to call these programs. They need them. They need them for
the sake of their own cohesion, but all it was, was a couple of drunken, I think it was sailors,
I could be wrong. The smashing stores in general, they weren't targeting Jews,
but because some of them were Jewish owned, it got the label of the program. They were looking for
programs everywhere. It was very important to them. They couldn't have it be too large,
but they needed it. Jews need a certain level of anti-Jewish thinking in any given time.
It's the only thing that keeps them together.
That goes back to the Cahal, where poor Jews were said, if you leave the Cahal, the Gentiles are animals.
They'll kill you. They hate us for no reason.
They kept them in line.
So there has to be a certain level of even semi-violent anti-Semitism out there.
to keep the Jews unified.
And sometimes even that doesn't work.
But still, as we all know, this was a Jewish movement.
But these so-called programs have nothing to do with politics.
It has a lot to do with alcohol.
Already by the midsummer of 1917, the Jews felt threatened by the embittered population or drunken soldiers.
But the ongoing collapse of the state was fraught with incomparably greater dangers.
Amazingly, it seems that both the Jewish community and the press,
the latter to a large extent identified with the former learned nothing from the formidable experiences
in 1917 in general, but narrowly looked at the isolated manifestations of pogroms.
And so, time after time, they missed a real danger.
The executive power behaved similarly.
When the Germans breached a front in Chernobyl in the night of July 10th, the desperate joint
meeting of the CEC of the Soviet of workers and soldiers' deputies
and the executive committee of the Soviet of peasants' deputies had taken place.
they had acknowledged that should the revolution perish, the country crumbles down in that exact order,
and then named provisional government a government for salvation of the revolution,
and noted in their appeal to the people that dark forces are again prepared to torment our long-suffering motherland.
They are setting backward masses upon the Jews.
Yeah, they're motherland.
Yeah, but one significant thing, the collapse of the state, especially suddenly,
is a problem for them.
It wasn't a problem in 1991,
but the society was much less healthy.
People knew, and we're talking about
the revolutionaries being Jewish,
if the state goes away,
you know, Bolsheviks could count on
really a handful of Russians as supporters,
you know, throughout most of their existence,
less than 1%.
partially because of its ethnic background.
They knew that they didn't have popular support.
They knew that people hated them, and they knew why.
They lived with cognitive dissonance all the time,
but I guess that's pretty normal for them.
They need a strong state, though,
because eventually they start believing their own propaganda about pogroms.
Without a strong state, we are vulnerable.
even with self-defense organizations.
On July 18th at a panel session of the state Duma,
in an extremely small circle, Representative Maslanikov spoke against the executive committee
and among other things spelled out the real names of its members.
On the very same, they hate that so much.
Yes, they do.
On the very same evening at the factional meeting of the CEC, they beat,
an alarm. This is a case of counter-revolution. It must be dealt with accordingly to the recently
issued decree of the Minister of Interior Affairs, Sarateli, on suppression of counter-revolution.
The decree was issued in response to the Bolshevik uprising, though it was never used against
Bolsheviks. In two days, Maslanikov made excuses in an article in the newspaper Wretch speech.
Indeed, he named Stecklov, Kaminov, and Trotsky, but never intended.
to incite anger against the entire Jewish population in any way attacking them. I had absolutely
no wish to make Jewish people responsible for the actions of these individuals.
So this is clear proof. They changed their names because they needed to disguise the ethnic nature
of the Bolshevik Party as well as the Soviets, the Soviets in Petersburg. But we've
talked about this before. I forget what newspaper it was. We talked about it a few weeks ago
that published the real names of these people,
which is sort of a doxing,
but in this case, it's an ethnic doxing.
I think at this point people kind of knew,
but in 1917,
victories were going to be given to those who had the most money
and those who had the most cohesion,
the most focus.
That was going to win, not numbers.
Then in mid-September,
when all the gains of the February Revolution were already irreversibly ruined.
On the eve of the by now imminent Bolshevik coup,
Y.A. Kuntarovic warned in wretch about the danger that the dark forces and evil geniuses of Russia
will soon emerge from their dens to jubilantly perform black masses.
Indeed, it will happen soon.
Yet what kind of black masses?
of beastial patriotism and pogrom-loving truly Russian national identity.
In October in Petrograd, I Trumpledor had organized Jewish self-defense forces for protection
against pogroms, but they were never needed.
Indeed, Russian minds were confused, and so were Jewish ones.
Remember, the Rick was the Rick.
I can't do the gutter.
like you have in some of the Semitic languages.
I can't do that without sounding ridiculous.
So we just say wretz, which is funny.
That was a liberal.
That was the cadet publication.
It was going to be shut down pretty damn soon.
So you had, even there, you had some worry that this is a Jewish movement.
Using the phrase, black masses,
I don't think he meant
bestial patriotism.
I think this was someone of an admission.
You wouldn't use that phrase to refer to truly Russian national identities
to the nationalist engaging in programs.
It doesn't make any sense.
There's no connection there.
I think they were, he was admitting something.
This was a way to admit it without admitting it.
And I love the Jewish self-defense forces.
Well, they've, A, already existed, and B, the Bolsheviks were very well armed.
The Red Army didn't come out of nothing.
So, you know, that was just more, you know, self-congratulation than anything else.
Yes, Russian minds were confused, but there's good reason for that.
This is an extremely confusing and complex time in Russian history.
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Several years after the revolution,
G Landau, looking back with sadness, wrote,
Jewish participation in the Russian turmoil had astonishingly suicidal overtones in it.
I am referring not only to their role in Bolshevism, but to their involvement in the whole thing.
And it is not just about the huge number of politically active people, socialists and revolutionaries, who have joined the revolution.
I am talking mainly about the broad sympathy of the masses it was met with.
Although many harbored pessimistic expectations, in particular in anticipation of pogroms,
they were still able to reconcile such a foreboding with an acceptance of turmoil which unleashed
countless miseries and pogroms. It resembled the fatal attraction of butterflies to fire,
to the annihilating fire. It is certain there were some strong motives pushing the Jews into that direction,
and yet those were clearly suicidal. Granted, Jews were not different in that from the rest of Russian
intelligentsia and from the Russian society, yet we had to be different. We, the ancient people of city
dwellers, merchants, artisans, intellectuals. We had to be different from the people of land and power
from peasants, landowners, officials. Yeah, it's an interesting statement here. Landau, obviously,
a Jewish name. You didn't really have broad sympathy. And I don't know, masses are such a dehumanizing.
I hate that word. There's a use for it, but not in this context. They were, however, sick of the war.
that's for sure.
And they wanted some level of stability.
It isn't like the Bolsheviks were going on the rostrum and saying we're going to burn down churches and take everything, we're going to steal everything from the farms.
They weren't saying this.
They were saying the opposite.
They never told the truth about their agenda in public.
This is part of the reason, not the whole reason, this is part of the reason why the West liked them so much.
they saw a strong state, but a westernized strong state in the Bolsheviks.
There maybe have been five people in the West at this point who knew what a Bolshevik really was.
It was the ethnic connection that mattered a lot more.
So I think he's exaggerating a little bit there.
But this comment would only be true if the society was healthy.
And it was.
I mean, especially compared to ours, especially compared to what, you know, in the 60s and 70s.
It still was a fairly healthy society.
It was suicidal because people were starting to know.
They knew.
Sultan Easton talks about this at great length in the archipelago, and not just there.
And essays all over the place that people began pretty quickly to realize that the institutions that tormented them,
they all seem to have something in common.
Their names weren't Russian names.
And at this point, many of their pseudonyms had been exposed.
There seemed to be sometimes a Russian name or a Georgian name put in charge.
That's not who ran the group.
And I think that's what he means by suicidal.
Today, or I don't have to say today, in 1991, the Jews took over entirely yet again,
created a very different kind of pure oligarchy.
and there really wasn't much of an organized revolution against them,
except from the old Soviet, the elderly Soviets,
the so-called coup of 1991,
who at that point were very anti-Jewish,
which is a whole separate, very complex issue.
But I think that's what he means,
that we have to do this really fast,
we have to nip this in the bud now or else we're going to be in very serious trouble.
And let's not forget those who were different.
We must always remember the jury was, is very heterogeneous, that attitudes and actions vary
greatly among the Jews.
So it was with the Russian jury in 1917.
In provinces and even in the capital, there were circles with reasonable views and they
were growing as October was getting closer.
the Jewish stance towards
toward Russian unity during the months when Russia was pulled apart
not only by other nations,
but even by Siberians, was remarkable.
All over the course of revolution,
all over the course of revolution,
Jews, together with Great Russians,
were among the most ardent champions of the idea of Great Russia.
Now, when Jews had gotten their equal rights,
what could they have in common with different people
on the periphery of the former empire?
And yet, the disintegration
of a united country would fracture jury. In July at the ninth Congress of constituent
constitutional democrats, Vinaver and Nolde, openly argued against territorial partition of
peoples and in favor of Russian unity. Also in September, in the national section of the Democratic
Congress, the Jewish socialist spoke against any federalization of Russia and that they had just
had joined the centralists. Today, they write in an Israeli magazine that Trumpel Doors
Jewish detachments back the provisional government and had even foiled the Cornyov's
mutiny. Perhaps. However, in rigorously studying events in 1917, I did not encounter any such
information. But I am aware of opposite instances. In early May, 1917, in the thundering patriotic
and essentially counter-revolutionary Black Sea delegation, the most successful orator calling
for the defense of Russia was Jewish sailor Botkin.
You know, this reminds me of when the Iraq war began in 1990.
And I see that war as one from 1990 really to, you know, 2011 or to the, you know, the killing of Hussein.
I think it was just one, one war.
All of a sudden, you see these people who were, obviously, I saw it in an airport one time.
someone who was very obviously Jewish wearing the American flag on his lapel.
All of a sudden, these were the same people that were torching ROTC centers and universities during Vietnam.
Now, because their interests are being supported by American military action.
Suddenly they're patriots.
And I remember how angry it made me at the time.
This wasn't Royal Russia.
This wasn't Orthodox Russia.
Now, keep in mind that the federalization idea that will be promoted by the Bolsheviks during the Civil War,
that was a way to get the support of the various nations that comprise the Federation.
The Great Russia idea, and you could interpret that however you want, that was promoted by the white armies.
It was a big problem.
It caused a lot of problems in Ukraine, especially.
So again, this was just, they changed their opinion depending on their self-interest.
But Lenin would use, you know, as today, Ukrainian nationalism and pretended to support it as a way to defeat the white army.
And, of course, the minute he was secure in power, of course, that all ended.
So it was phony.
But that's really what he was talking about.
here, but there was a huge debate over this.
But they both believed in tight centralization.
They just had very different ways of expressing it.
De Pesmanek had published the letters of millionaire steamship owner Shulam Bespelov to the
Minister of Trade and Industry, Shikovsky, dated as early as September 1915.
Excessive profits made by all industrialists and traders lead out, lead our motherland to the
imminent wreck. He had donated half a million rubles to the state and proposed to establish a law
limiting all profits by 15%. Unfortunately, these self-restricting measures were not introduced as
rush to freedom progressives, such as Konovalov and Raya Bosinski did not mind making 100% war profits.
When Konovalov himself became the Minister of Trade and Industry, Shulam Bespelov wrote to him
on July 5th, 1917, excessive profits of industrialists are ruining our country.
Now we must take 50% of the value of their capitals and property, and added that he is ready
to part with 50% of his own assets.
Konovalov paid no heed.
Yes, they were quite noble.
In August, at the Moscow-All-Russian State Conference, O.O. Grusenberg, a future member of
the Constituent Assembly, stated, these days the Jewish people are you,
united in their allegiance to our motherland, in unanimous aspirations to defend her integrity
and achievements of democracy, and were prepared to give for her defense all their material
and intellectual assets to part with everything precious, with the flower of their people,
all they're young. I still think of that guy, this very obviously Jewish guy with the American lapel
pin. Whenever I read something like this, it's the exact same phenomenon.
The Tsar is gone.
Their church has been dethroned.
It's a revolutionary government.
Everything is changing.
Jews are making incredible profits.
I mean, even limiting them, it doesn't,
they're still going to be, you know, today would be billionaires.
Yeah, all of a sudden, it's their motherland.
You didn't have an Israel that existed at the time.
so it was the most phony kind of patriotism that was based exclusively on self-interest.
United in their allegiance to our motherland.
This is, you know, that has nothing to do with Russia, that's for sure.
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These words reflected the realization that the February regime
was the best for Russian jewelry,
promising economic progress as well as political and cultural prosperity.
and that realization was adequate. The closer it got to the October coup and the more apparent
the Bolshevik threat, the wider this realization spread among Jews, leading them to oppose Bolshevism.
It was taking root even among socialist parties, and during the October coup, many Jewish socialists
were actively against it. Yet they were debilitated by their socialist views, and their opposition
was limited by negotiations and newspaper articles. Until the Bolshevians,
shut down those newspapers.
Oh, that's true.
The revolutionaries had many factions.
Lenin saw this as a handicap.
The whites never saw it that way, or they didn't understand it.
Eventually, they will shut it down.
There'll be one movement, one party, one army, one everything.
But you had leftist Jews, various types of socials, anarchists all over the place.
that had problems with Bolsheviks, etc.
Some of these people were eliminated when the revolution actually occurred.
Some of them just joined.
You know, it was over.
Some immigrated elsewhere.
They were all still leftists.
This wasn't like a patriotic opposition here.
Bolivism was a tiny, really, you know, at the time, a bizarre cult around Lenin and Trotsky,
very Jewish, completely foreign control.
old, a foreign finance.
And when you knew their real views, they were very extreme.
London was no different than Stalin.
In policy, in his ideology, they believe the exact same things.
The only difference was that Stalin had a much greater, much stronger economy and far
more, you know, far better technology to work with.
You know, Lenin was still this confusing, almost anarchy.
and he died, you know, just a few years later.
So, yeah, Jews were all over the place on the left.
It's still against the case now.
But Lenin, you know, essentially, you know, the ultimatum was, we've taken over, you have a choice of what you're going to do.
You know, that doesn't remove the fact that the Bolshevik movement was Jewish.
But, again, so were liberals and so were the some of the anarchists, et cetera.
It is necessary to state explicitly that the October coup was not carried by Jews,
though it was under the general command of Trotsky and with energetic actions of young
Grigory Chednovsky during the arrest of provisional government and the massacre of the defenders of the Winter Palace.
Broadly speaking, the common rebuke that the 170 million people could not be pushed into Bolshevism by a small Jewish minority is justified.
Indeed, we had ourselves sealed our fate in 1917 through our foolishness from February to October through December.
The October coup proved a devastating lot for Russia, yet the state of affairs even before it promised little good to the people.
We had already lost responsible statesmanship and the events at 1917 had proved it in excess.
In excess.
The best Russia could expect for an inept feeble and disorderly pseudo-demand,
democracy, unable to rely on enough citizens with developed legal consciousness and economic
independence.
Yeah, they, the Bolsheviks weren't known as being very good statesmen, although I think it was
it wasn't Wilson.
It was the prime minister of Britain who said, it was Lloyd George who said that Trotsky was
the only statesman in Russia, the Bolshevik behavior in the Winter Palace and what they
did, you know, spreading feces on things and just this, this.
animalistic hatred.
That was, you know, part of the nature of the party.
This was about power.
You know, Lenin was a very poor philosopher.
He was there to justify all of this.
And keep in mind, as I could keep saying, Lenin was a minority.
He was a essentially, I mean, he was partly Jewish,
but he wasn't a full Jew like a lot of these other people.
When the Soviets actually were established, Soviet Union took over,
And many of the people purged right away.
Many of them were Jews.
You know, that's true.
They all hated Russia.
They all hated the monarchy.
And the most frustrating thing, very frustrating, is that there was no organized, armed right-wing power here.
Nowhere.
It had this massive support throughout the country, peasantry, Siberia.
It didn't exist.
No one fought back.
And the army, of course, it was in such a bad state.
they had been propagandized beyond belief by Lenin.
There was no, you know, the white army was certain fragments of the white army was the best
that they can do and it wasn't enough to defeat the Reds.
After October fights in Moscow, representatives of the Bund and Pauale-Zion had taken part
in the peace negotiations, not an alliance with the junkers of the Bolsheviks, but as a third
independent party.
There were many Jews among junkers of the Engineers School who,
defended the Winter Palace on October 25th. In the memoirs of Sunigob, a palace defender,
Jewish names appear regularly. I personally knew one such engineer from my prison experience.
And during the Odessa City Duma elections, the Jewish bloc had opposed to Bolsheviks and won,
though only marginally.
I love how he calls it his prison experience.
During the constituent assembly elections, more than 80% of Jewish population in Russia had voted for Zionist parties.
Lenin wrote that 550,000s voted for Jewish nationalists.
Most Jewish parties had formed a united nationalist of candidates.
Seven deputies were elected from the list, six Zionists and Gruzenberg.
The success of Zionists was facilitated by the recently published declaration of British Minister of Foreign Affairs Balfour
on the establishment of Jewish national home in Palestine, which was met with enthusiasm by the majority of Russian Jewry.
Celebratory demonstrations, rallies and worship services took place in Moscow, Petrograd, Odessa, Kiev, and many other cities.
Prior to the October coup, Bolshevism was not very influential among Jews, but just before the uprising, Natanson, Kamkov, and Steinberg, on behalf of the left socialist revolutionaries had signed a combat pact with Bolsheviks, Trotsky, and Kaminov.
And some Jews distinguished themselves among the Bolsheviks in their very first victories, and some even became famous.
The commissar of the famed Latvian regiments of the 12th Army, which did so much for the success of the Bolshevik coup, was Semyon Nakimson.
Jewish soldiers played a notable role during preparation and execution of the armed uprisings of October 1917 in Petrograd and other cities,
and also during suspension of mutinies and armed resurgence against the new Soviet regime.
The Balfour Declaration was like a bomb dropped on all of this.
Now, of course, it didn't happen until much later,
but the concept seemed to be in the minds now of the elites of England,
that this might happen.
We're coming to the end of World War I,
which means we're coming to the end of the Ottoman Empire.
Now, it didn't happen.
The British wanted to control the entire area.
There were plenty of Jews in Palestine,
that the state of Israel was,
was, you know, essentially put on top of.
But remember, all of these Jews, whether they supported the Bolsheviks or not, were all leftists.
They all were one variant of leftists or another.
The Polet Zion, as we've mentioned before, that was essentially the Moses Hess faction.
These were as violently anti-Russian as any of the rest of them.
But if there's a concept that maybe we're going to be able, at least some of us are going to be able to leave
for the Middle East, that's going to change things.
And it did upset Lennon.
Lenin being essentially a frontman at this point.
But the Balfour Declaration, this was huge at the time.
The minute it was put out, there was a huge split among the Jews, even revolutionary Jews.
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It is widely known that during the historical session of the Congress of Soviets on October 27, 2 acts,
the decree on land and the decree on peace,
were passed. But it didn't leave a mark in history that after the decree on peace, but before the
decree on land, another resolution was passed. It declared it a matter of honor for local Soviets to
prevent Jewish and any other pogroms by dark forces. Programs by red forces of light were not
anticipated. So even here, at the Congress of Workers and Peasants' Deputies, the Jewish question was put
ahead of the peasant one. Yeah, there was a flurry of decrees. Some of them took, some of them
didn't. This is even before the war began, the civil war began. You had German forces in
different parts of Russia after the, you know, the Bresseltov's treaty that Lenin had negotiated.
Extremely unpopular. That was something that turned the tide against the Jews to some extent.
but it was too late by then.
But again, they knew that they were unpopular.
I don't care what faction they were a part of.
They agreed on far more than they disagreed on.
But now, you know, the Tsar's gone.
The church isn't the official church anymore.
We have a tremendous amount of control, at least in the cities.
We're making huge profits.
Do we want to go, you know, farther than this?
Well, the Jews are known for going farther than that.
They're known for this.
They're known for never being satisfied.
And, of course, it happened.
Remember what the Soviet Union really was.
Up until the 1970s,
the creation of a, you know, if you don't have a market economy,
in their mind, anyway, you have a planned economy.
Other methods of organizing the economy existed in Russia.
You know, the commune, guilds, all that.
That was immediately destroyed.
That was part of Russian prosperity.
It wasn't a capitalist country for the most part.
Although you did, you know, it was industrializing very, very rapidly.
I lost my train of thought.
What was I talking about?
What I say?
You were talking about how it wasn't a capitalist.
You were talking about through the 1970s up until the 1970s.
Yeah, well, at this point, yeah, I lost it.
Sorry about that.
But it became absolutely imperative for them to stomp out any anti-Jewish action whatsoever.
Even in the White Army, I mean, everyone knew what the Jews were, of course.
But you only had like Dietrich's faction or a Capel's faction.
the more orthodox groups
who were more than aware
what the Jews were.
These were the royalist parts of the white army.
The Cossacks certainly knew,
but the Cossacks didn't think in all Russian terms.
They thought it in their own areas,
which turned out to be a huge error on their part.
And part of the reason the whites lost the war,
the Cossacks were hard as nails.
But after the ice march,
and I have a paper on that too,
you know,
Grinilov, who was killed on that march,
was very, very upset by the fact that the Cossacks didn't think,
and we need to build an anti-communist movement.
It has to be all Russian.
And yes, the Cossacks fought the reds all over the place
and succeeded for the most part.
They were always hard.
They were always combat experienced,
always oppressed during the Soviet era.
But they only,
considered their own section, Southern Russia,
they wanted the independence of their own region, and that was it.
It was very hard to get them to think about anything else.
I know what it was.
You know, the fact that Russia wasn't Russia anymore.
You know, this is what I was saying was monarch's gun,
high profits are being made,
is still a revolutionary government.
The church is not official anymore.
You know, this is Russia.
to them. It's not rushed at any normal person.
So you're going to have divisions there.
But when Lenin talked about the white forces,
and he said, Jews always need a little bit of anti-Semitism,
they refer to even the more non-anti-Jewish whites as black hundred clergy,
you know, pogromous. And they really weren't.
some of them, some of them certainly knew what was going on, but not all of them.
And so Lenin presented the whites as just this fanatical anti-Jewish movement.
Well, in effect, they were because that was the Bolshevik movement and the left in general was completely Judaic.
And more than anything else, I've said a hundred times.
Unity over all things, not just in terms of command,
But in terms of ideology, white forces were all over the place.
There was, it was so frustrating to read.
30 years I've been reading about this in Russian and English and Ukrainian.
They made so many mistakes, which, you know, today, you know, I mean, who are we to judge them?
But even at the time seemed to be absolutely absurd.
Plus the fact that the Bolsheviks were not honest as to what they wanted to do.
Lenin believed in a command economy.
It was hard to put that in a practice at the time.
That's what war communism was.
But the economy completely collapsed,
hence the new economic policy, which didn't last long.
Stalin was unable to, you know, since he had established himself
and with far more power, was able to create the command economy.
But Trotsky and Lenin were all in favor of it.
As I said in my book, the Russian, the Soviet experiment.
The purpose, the Bolshevik takeover, from the Jewish point of view, was to take all of the productive capacity in the Russian Empire for themselves.
That's what a command economy is. The party owns everything. The party controls everything.
Workers were exploited beyond anything in the factories of Britain at the time. The exploitation, they had no days off. Sunday was abolished pretty quickly.
I know the late, late Lenin or early Stalin.
So there was only, I think there was a five-day week in Stalin's world.
There were no days off, no time off.
They were exploited beyond more than our words can say,
which was no problem for them.
That labor was not the issue.
It was control.
And the fact that it was a Jewish movement to take over this required,
of course, it required pseudonyms, but also required these laws against anti-Semitism.
And the white armies, again, frustratingly, were all over the place on this.
I think I said this before, but I think the British at one point said to Colchak,
if you eliminate the anti-Semites in your group, we'll give you some assistance.
And in my article on the topic, I said, yeah, well, that means that they'll
there'll be an army of seven because everyone knew.
All these pro-Semitic things that he had to do,
apologize to the Jews and put Jews in strong command positions,
disarm all these ridiculous things that the British were trying to say,
which is another way of saying we're not going to support you in any way.
Jews were always at the center.
But even the White Army was so fractured on all of these issues.
And Jews were no different.
Everyone knew what the Jew was, whether or not that was a major part of the army itself was a separate matter.
Dietrichs, it was. Capel, it was.
The mainstream groups, you know, Daniken and Colchak, maybe not.
You know, Colchak went to his grave thinking that the Allies would eventually side with him and bail him out,
even though that they were already financing the Red Army.
And he just had this naeufte that I can't explain.
In any way, except maybe the war, he had fought in World War I.
There was some level of PTSD there that led him to believe that we fought.
We're on the same side here.
But on the Jewish question, it was dominant only in certain parts.
parts of the white army itself.
But like everything else, you know, wherever the Soviets went, whatever they took over,
there were mass killings.
And we don't have a market economy.
They created a, they destroyed all actual socialism.
I go into great detail in my book on that subject.
All kinds of the communes, the Artels, the brotherhoods.
These were ancient, you know, socialist institutions.
you know that it's not a legitimate socialist movement when they, the first thing they do is destroy those.
It was simply a matter of controlling all forces of production from one place, which is a banker's dream, of course, controlling all forces of production and living off it.
Every one of the Bolshevik leaders, Jewish or not, were millionaires at the time of their death.
no one more so than Trotky.
I think Trotsky in today's money would have been a billionaire.
And he was killed in Mexico.
He had two bank accounts that were finally uncovered and they were ridiculous.
And this was all stolen from Russian labor that they pretended to represent.
It's shocking.
Even when I was in college, I kind of took it for granted that they, oh, they supported labor.
They wanted a labor society.
the way they went about it was wrong, and they had no interest in labor at all.
They had no connection to them.
They didn't even know them.
Jews were completely alienated from any of that.
And once Zionism, well, once Israel wasn't established, not until the end of World War II,
then they had to remain focused on Russia.
And they were all revolutionaries, for the most part.
It's to what extent they were willing to go, how far they were willing to go,
how far they were willing to go.
And many of them were simply waiting for who won.
You know, you had plenty of Jews who went into exile
because they were either anarchists or more moderate or something,
but they all hated the monarchy and they all hated Russia.
Because even the Poli-Zion, we've heard that group a few times now.
That's essentially Moses Hess, the combination of Zionism and Jewish nationalism
and socialism, a deeply occultish,
all that was almost a Masonic cult itself as Trotky was.
So that's the level of complexity we're dealing with here.
Level of complexity of this era.
It's really hard to put it all, you know, make a coherent list of things.
All right.
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