The Pete Quiñones Show - Reading Solzhenitsyn's '200 Years Together' w/ Dr Matthew Raphael Johnson - Part 73

Episode Date: September 24, 2025

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Dr. Johnson, how are you doing? today. Has ever heard of a Dobson fly? No, I haven't. I've never seen them. No. It looked like they belong in Australia. In their adult phase, they're humongous. They're harmless,

but they are humongous. And I found one in my bathroom of all places. And the gentlest of my cats decided to kill it like it was real prey. It looks like a monster. You should see, you know, Dobson flies you know, they look like, they don't look like they belong, but because I live close to a river,

you're going to see them once in a while. They look like birds. Oh, God. But they're, you know, not a lot of people have never seen one, but their fishermen, I think, know, them in their earlier stages. But they only live for a couple of weeks in that stage, their final stage. Is that it right there? They are enormous. Look on this on the screen, on the home screen.

Is that it right there? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's exactly it. Oh, God. That's precisely it. And it's all throughout, you know, the America, they're, you know, all throughout the Americas, in a way, you live by a river.

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Oh, yeah, that's right. All right. Onward, part 73. Here we go. Naturally, many Jews were driven by survival instinct and even if they initially expected goodwill on the part of the volunteer army. After programs by Danikin's troops,

they lost any inclination to support the white movement. Pasmanic provides a lively case. Quote, Alexandrovsk was taken by the volunteers from the Bolsheviks. They were met by unanimous sincere joy of the citizenry. Overnight, half of the town was sacked and filled by the screaming and moaning of distressed Jews. Wives were raped, men beaten and murdered. Jewish homes were totally ransacked.

The program continued for three days and three nights. Post-executive Cossack Cornette Sleva dismissed complaints of the public administration saying, it is always like that. We take a city and it belongs to the troops for three days. It is impossible to explain all this plunder and violence by soldiers of the volunteer army by actions of Jewish commissars. I think it is nonsensical. If only because it's that cliche list of things.

You know, soldiers after a battle would really just rather sleep. Of course, Jews were part of the Bolshevik movement, but this kind of, you know, killing women for no reason is just, you know, it's propaganda. And it's, but unfortunately, it was reported by the Western press, which is one of the many reasons they continued to support the Bolsheviks. A top white general, A. Von Lumpa, claims that rumors about Jewish pogroms by the whites are tendentiously exaggerated, that these pillaging requisitions were unavoidable actions of an army without quartermaster services or regular supplies from the rear areas. He says the Jews were not targeted deliberately, but that all citizens suffered and the Jews suffered more because they were numerous and rich. I am absolutely confident that in the operational theaters of the white army, armies, there were no Jewish pogromes, i.e. no organized extermination and pillaging of Jews.

There were robberies and even murders, which were purposely overblown and misrepresented by anti-Jewish pogroms as anti-Jewish pogroms by special press. Because of these accidents, the second Cuban infantry brigade and the Ossession cavalry regiment were disbanded. All the people, be they Christian or Jewish, suffered in disorderly areas. There were executions on tip off by locals of those unfortunate commissars in Chekis who did not manage to escape, and there were quite a few Jews among them. I got to remember, no one was supporting the White Army. Their weaponry, their supplies came from captured areas.

When they defeated the Reds somewhere, the guns that they took were theirs. It was extremely difficult for them to get weapons. Of course, the Reds had plenty of them. And that goes for supplies as well. And of course, everything he says here is absolutely correct. It wasn't Judaism as such, except to the extent that these were the Czechos and commissars that I guess didn't escape for some weird reason or were going to fight on. they had absolutely forfeited everything and you know the red

at least the political side of the Red Army remember there's the military and the political side that they exist side by side always right up until the Stalin era and the political side was to keep the military side in line ideologically while there were Jews on both sides the political side was almost exclusively Jewish

these people were hated not just by of course course, whites, but by many of the Red commanders themselves, if they weren't Jewish. These are the guys who had them, you make sure they were ideologically trustworthy, and they weren't allowed to retreat. You know, there were tattletails. They, you know, they were very obnoxious people. They were usually killed on site in the Second World War because, you know, they had a distinctive of uniform and everything. And this already existed in the Red Army at this point.

So if the West wants to call that a pogrom, that's their business, but it certainly wasn't one. Events in Fostov in September 1919 appeared differently. According to the Jewish encyclopedia, Cossacks behaved outrageously. They killed, raped, and flouted Jewish religious feelings. They had broken into a synagogue during Yon Kippur, beat up the whole congregation, raped the women and tore apart the Torah Scrolls. About 1,000 were killed.

A methodical quarter-by-quarter pillaging of Jews in Kiev after a brief return of the white troops in the end of October 1919 were dubbed the Quiet Programme. Shulgin writes, the commander strictly prohibited programs, yet the Yids were really an annoyance, and secondly, the heroes were hungry. In general, the volunteers in large cities were starving. There were nights of plunder, but without murder and rape,

It was the end of Deneken's period and the beginning of the agony of the volunteer army. You know, Russia is at this point convulsing. They're losing hundreds of thousands of their best men. It's being torn apart. The Reds, of course, are engaging in real pogroms against orthodoxy. And the only thing they could talk about is themselves. And again, it's when you have that same list, they were killing people for no reason there were raping women.

I immediately, you know, I need more evidence. They can't just say it. The Jewish encyclopedia, I'm not going to take their word for it. But the volunteers in large cities were starving. Well, this is because the Western powers had sided with the, with the Reds. The Reds were not starving. Yes, they plundered. They plundered, including areas.

I'm not sure how they knew it was a Jewish house or not. There's no real way to know. once they knew their wealth was not legitimately gained. Their wealth was often going to the Reds. So any kind of, that kind of plunder is to be expected when you're hungry to begin with. You're not going to get any of this in the American university system and any discussion on the Russian Civil War. You know, the Red Army had paid staffs. Red Army had standardized weaponry

and the pay for their staff staffing, and not just in the central areas, but in the peripheral areas, was equal to anything you'd find in the West. This is what happens when you have people like Jacob Schiff on your side. And yet to this day, you'll talk about, all they can talk about is because they smashed into a Jewish shop,

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a massacre of unarmed civilians to murder of women and children and robbing someone's property are absolutely impossible things to do. Thus, the true whites in this case are guilty of negligence. They were not sufficiently rigorous in checking the scum adhering to the white movement. You have to remember, a lot of this stuff, these stories developed a little later. Because once it became clear what the Reds were, once they took power, once Stalin had it, sorry, once Lenin had his stroke, Stalin takes over a couple years later, the church is essentially dissolved. Jews are at the center of all of this.

They now need these program stories to somehow justify it. And this is a very common tactic. And he uses the word revenge. You know, a lot of these people have seen each other before. They knew what to do. And plus, when you have an army that's running out of ammunition, they're not going to start shooting people randomly. A lot of these Jews are so neurotic and over-emotional

that they just keep, you know, and these stories developed later, keep increasing and increasing and increasing. And as they get nastier, they get less and less plausible. But it's very clear that somehow it's not just to justify, if anyone discovered with the Jews we're really doing in the Soviet Union, but it's a certain form of projection as well. Pasmatic concurred that everybody understands that General Deneke did not want pogroms, but when I was in Novoris, Novoricc and I catarina door in April through May 1919, i.e. before the march to the north, I could sense a thickened and pervasive atmosphere of anti-Siccena. Semitism everywhere. Whatever it was, negligence or revenge, it served well to ignite the white pogroms of 1919. And keep in mind, Pasmanic is a Jewish author. Everything, almost everything you've been reading,

well, Shulgin is not, but at least I don't think he is, but almost everything you've been reading has come from, Pasmanic, who's a Jewish author and is one of the people who created a lot of these myths. Still, by unanimous testimony of those unlucky enough to experience both types of post, programs, those by Petlora's troops and those by the White Army. It was predominantly Petlora's troops who went for Jewish life and soul. They did the most killing. Well, not that I'm a big fan of Petlora. I never have been. He overthrew the Hetman, which was a terrible idea. But I have him in speech, after speech, after speech, saying how important the Jews were to Russia and how they should never be touched. Sometimes the director was allied with the

read, sometimes they weren't, for the most part they weren't. And it didn't take long before your typical lieutenant or captain started realizing that, you know, this is a Jewish directed movement. So of course they're going to suffer. You know, they have to learn how to deal with consequences here. I don't believe, as much as I disliked the man, I don't believe that Lura was engaged in any of this kind of thing. But no one liked the Jews. everyone knew what the Jew was everyone knew where they got their money it didn't really matter

the only group that that was defending them was as we talked about last time was Nestra Machno the make-believe Cossacks and one of the reason he was doing that is because he realized how important Jews were to the revolutionary movement and so and then again it justified, it was already happening, the very harsh laws against anti-Semitism that was going on that was passed in the early Leninist period. But you go to your typical idiot professor out there and he'll say, yeah, well, yeah, the Jews had something to do with the destruction of the church and killing of Orthodox people everywhere. But remember, the pogroms, you know, this was all revenge killing.

And so these stories developed a bit later and got more lurid as time went on. They're very cliche. You are going to see some of this, but only because the Jews were a huge part of the Red Movement. They weren't neutral. There weren't just ordinary people at their desks, you know, doctors or accountants. And of course, as I've said before, they were all armed. they had substantial and this is in Ukraine this is in this is a old pale of settlement they they had military formations so the whole thing just with can you need to consider that

the whole thing's a lie they just want to create this image that these poor Jews were just you know praying or or um or um making matzabal soup and you know for no reason the whites came in No, there was no such thing as a neutral Jew in this period of time. They were financing the Red Movement. They were a huge part of the Red Movement. They were well armed. They had their own self-defense forces. They had fought the whites before, and all the various white armies in the past.

So, you know, yeah, they're going to call that a program, but this is very typical. Any attack at this point on a communist position was considered a pogrom. showing you how serious, showing you how Jewish the Red Army and the Red Movement really was. It was not the volunteer army that initiated Jewish programs in the new Russia.

They began in the reborn Poland the day after she became a free and independent state. While in Russia itself, they were started by the Ukrainian troops of the Democrat Petlura and the Socialist Vinichenko. The Ukrainians turned pogroms

into an everyday event. All right. Now we have polls. We have the White Army. We have Ukrainians. All pogromists. All doing the exact same thing. No reason has been given yet.

The Jews must have been pissing everybody off. You know, for the first time, Poland has a state created after, you know, World War I. And the first thing they do, the first thing they do is go after the Jews. It's amazing how all of these people for no reason hate the Jews and are committing programs. The word program is over, the word is doesn't have any definition anymore. And of course, the men who took over in Poland were anti-communists for the most part. And they realized what the Red Army was too. And there was a large war between Poland and the Soviet Union, as it was.

in Lithuania, as it was in Ukraine. And all of this was considered a pogrom because, you know, and I've read, I've read Petlora, I've read Benichenka, who was somewhat of a national socialist, sort of, an early version of it. He was in the first, first Rada government, and you see him everywhere. These are, some of them, at least, or leftists. none of them wanted anything to do with the Jews. They all took action against the Jews.

Every side, every group with the exception of the Red Army. You know, it appears to me that if for 2,000 years you've been wandering because you don't have a homeland and everywhere you go, people abuse you and ask you to leave or force you to leave. and you're completely innocent every single time, you know, that when you do get your own homeland, I guess it would make sense that if your next door neighbor decided to poke the bear, you would decide to kill them all, right? Yeah, and use chemical weapons, literally turning Gaza into an open-air gas chamber

with the white phosphorus, which they've used many times, starting in 2006, doing all the same things that they claimed were done to them in the 40s. Yeah, and then creating their state in a very rough neighborhood, pushing everyone off in the process, wherever they go. There must be just nothing but irrational people in the world. Air Grid, operator of Ireland's electricity grid, is powering up the northwest. We're planning to upgrade the electricity grid in your area and your input and local knowledge are vital in shaping these plans.

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The volunteer army did not start the programs, it carried on with them, being fueled by a false conviction that all Jews were for Bolsheviks. Quote, the name of L. Trotsky was particularly hated among the whites and Petlera's soldiers, and almost every pogrom went under a slogan, this is what you get for Trotsky. And even the cadets, who in the past always denounced any expression of anti-Semitism and all the more so, the pogroms, during their November 1919 conference in Kharkov, demanded the Jews declare restless war against those elements of Jewry who actively participated in the Bolshevist movement. At the same time, the cadets emphasized that the white authorities do everything possible to stop pogroms, namely that since the

beginning of October 1919, the leadership of the volunteer army began punishing pogromists with many measures, including execution, and as a result, pogroms stopped for a while. Yet during the December 1919, through March 1920 retreat of the volunteer army from Ukraine, the pogroms became particularly violent and the Jews were accused of shooting the retreating whites in the back. Importantly, there were no pogroms in Siberia by A. Colchak's group troops as Colchak did not tolerate pogroms. The whites or the Tsarist government gained nothing from instability in these areas. Once the whites won an area, the last thing they wanted was yet another battle against an

armed group of Jews. Now, the details are all over the place, depending on who you read. I'll repeat one more time. These Jews were armed. Of course, not every single one of them was for Trotky, but almost every single one of them were for a violent leftist movement that overthrew the Tsar and who wanted the whites gone. But in terms of innocent people, that's a totally different story. It didn't happen. They didn't have the ammunition for it. And yes, I'm willing to, I'm willing to, you know, in certain cases,

I don't want to get too abstract here. But, you know, when you're exhausted, when you start losing, when you realize what these Jews are doing in other parts of the country, when you don't have supplies when you're hungry, yeah, maybe you might do something like this against a group of people who you know despise you. D. O. Linsky, himself a former white guard, emphatically writes, quote, jury was possibly given a unique chance to fight so hard for the Russian land that the slanderous claim that for Jews, Russia is just geography and not fatherland would disappear once and for all.

End quote. Actually, quote, there was and is no alternative. The victory of anti-Bolshevik forces will lead from suffering to revival of the whole country and of the Jewish people in particular. Jewry should devote itself to the Russian cause entirely to sacrifice their lives and wealth. Through the dark stains of the white cossibles, one should perceive the pure soul of the white movement. In an army where many Jewish youths were enlisted, in an army relying on extensive material support from Jewish population, anti-Semitism would suffocate in any pogromist movement would be countered and checked by internal forces.

Jewry should have supported the Russian army, which went on an immortal struggle for the Russian land. Jewry was pushed from the Russian cause, yet Jewry had to push away the pushers. He writes all this, after having painful personal experience of participation in the white movement, despite all those dark and serious problems as surfaced in the white movement, we delightfully and with great reverence bowed our uncovered heads before this one and only commendable fact of the struggle against the ignitome of Russian history, the so-called Russian Revolution. It was a great movement for the unfading values of upholding the human spirit. The White Army was an extremely diverse set of forces.

You had Muslims in it, many of them, some of the most fanatical anti-communists. You had different ethnics, Armenians, Georgians, and Tor. Tartars. They knew what was happening. They knew what was going on. Of course, the Cossacks all spoke Russian were Orthodox, but they could come from anywhere, technically. The Armenians had money. I'm not sure if the Tartars were considered to have had money or not.

You had all of these groups who were fighting for the whites, who were organized. who actually in the case of the his name escapes me now but the the Chrysacian general Muslim

who approached the whites and who was taken in and who became a tremendous fighter Muslim of course who became a tremendous fighter for the white cause they had no problem with these people they had no problem with all of these

ethnic minorities there was no problem with all of these ethnic minorities there was down. There was one exception, and that was the Jews. And there has to be a reason for this. And that's where the pro-Jewish point of view falls apart. Yet the White Army did not support even those Jews who volunteered for service in it. What a humiliation people like Dr. Pasmanic had to go through. Many Jews were outraged after finding him among the pogromists.

Quote, the volunteer army persistently refused to accept Jewish petty officers and cadets, even those who in October 1917 bravely fought against Bolsheviks. It was a huge moral blow to Russian Jewry. I will never forget, he writes, how 11 Jewish petty officers came to me in Semphuripal complaining that they were expelled from fighting units and posted as cooks in the rear. I'm a little suspicious here, but keep something in mind. From here on, you had peasant uprisings. all over the Soviet Union.

They weren't at their height yet. That largely came when the Civil War was over. But one of the ways they were defeated was that the Reds would dress up in peasant garb and engage in all kinds of terrorist acts. They were known for their ability to infiltrate to act like a peasant. So maybe they had some reason to believe that having officers and all of a sudden, you know, Jews didn't want to fight before. Now they want to fight? Yes, it's true.

The White Army, to the extent that they represented the provisional government had some socialist elements. But at this point, in 1919, I'm not sure that that's the case anymore. All of a sudden now you have Jewish pedi-o. It's all becoming too convenient to me. Shulgin writes, quote, if only as many Jews participated in the white movement had did the revolutionary democracy or in constitutional democracy before that. Yet only a tiny part of Jewry joined the white guards.

Only very few individuals whose dedication could not be overhauled as the anti-Semitism among the whites was already clearly obvious by that time. Meanwhile, there were many Jews among the Reds. There, most importantly, they often occupied the top command positions. aren't we really aware of the bitter tragedy of those few Jews who joined the volunteer army? The lives of those Jewish volunteers were as endangered by the enemy's bullets as they were by the heroes of the rear, who tried to solve the Jewish question in their own manner. I'm willing to accept him that you had a tiny handful that were willing to fight for the whites for a million reasons.

You're always going to have those weirdo Jews who have those weirdo Jews who have, a problem with their own people for one reason or another. We know some of them today. Their motivations are probably all over the place. But if they prove themselves, there would be no reason to have any problem with them, for the whites to have any problem with them. But they were too few in number to really matter. Yet it was not all about the heroes of the rear. And anti-Semitic feelings had burst into flames among the young white officers from the intellectual families, despite all their education, tradition, and upbringing. And this all the more doomed the White Army to isolation and perdition.

Linsky tells us that on the territories controlled by the Volunteer Army, the Jews were not employable in the government services or in the Oswag information propaganda agency, an intelligence and counterintelligence agency established by the White Army in the White Army by General A. Dragomirov. Yet he refutes the claim that publications of Asvog contained anti-Semitic propaganda that pogromis were not punished. No, the command did not want Jewish programs yet. It could not act against the pogromous attitudes of their troops. It psychologically couldn't use severe measures. The army was not as it used to be, and requirements of the regular wartime or peacetime military charters could not be

fully applied to it, as the minds of all soldiers were already battle-scarred by the civil war. Although they didn't want pogroms, De Nican's government didn't dare to denounce anti-Semitic propaganda loudly, despite the fact that the pogroms inflicted great harm on DeNican's army. Pesmonic concludes, The Volunteer Army generally assumed the hostile attitude towards the entire Russian Jewry.

But Ileven disagrees, saying that the views of only one part of the movement, those of the active pogromists are not attributed to the whole movement, while in reality the white movement was quite complex, it was composed of different factions with often opposite views. Yet to be on, yet to bet on Bolsheviks to walk in their shadows because of the fear of pogroms is obvious and evident madness. A Jew says either the Bolsheviks or the pogroms, whereas he should have been saying, the longer the Bolsheviks whole power, the closer we are to certain death. Yet,

the Judeo-communists were in the parlance of the whites agitators as well. Yeah, it's how do you condemn? And of course, you know, the word anti-Semitism is really such a, such a falsity here because they are absolute Khazars. They have no connection to Middle East at all. But I guess we use the term just for the sake of, you know, because it's easy and we all recognize it. They certainly weren't a Semitic people. But Levin is correct, at least to that extent that, you know, it wasn't unfortunately diverse movement.

The really strict royalist groups, Keller, Keller's group, didn't have any problem here. Those who you would expect to have the most anti-Semitic point of views and really did, were not engaged in any of this kind of thing, which I think is important to note.

It's fair to say that even before the war started, the overwhelming majority of Russian Jewry despised a monarchy, despised Russian Guiam, and wanted a revolutionary movement imposed on the country with some Western backing. Therefore, how do you tell the difference between anti-Semitism

and just fighting a war against the communists? That line is so vague as to really be nonexistent. Airgrid. Operator of Ireland's electricity grid is powering up the Northwest. We're planning to upgrade the electricity grid in your area and your input and local knowledge are vital in shaping these plans. Our consultation closes on the 25th of November. Have your say, online or in person.

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rubble has recovered and normal life rebuilt. Yet it was already too late. Still, a part of the Jewish population of Crimea chose to evacuate with Rangel's army. True, the white movement was in desperate need of the support of the Western public opinion, which in turn largely dependent on the fate of Russian Jewry. It needed that support, yet as we saw, it had fatally and unavoidably developed a hostility toward the Jews, and later it was not able to prevent pogroms. As Secretary of State for War, Winston Churchill was the major advocate of the Allied intervention in Russia and military aid to the White armies. Because of the pogroms, Churchill appealed directly to Danikin. My goal of securing the support in the Parliament for the Russian National Movement will be incomparably more difficult if the pogroms are not stopped.

Churchill also feared the reaction of powerful Jewish circles among the British elite. Jewish circles in the USA had similar opinions on the situation in Russia. Yeah, it's more the same. Churchill had some conception, despite the fact that his family was very phylo-Semitic and was very much in debt to Jewish bankers. His father, especially was very degenerate. he was getting in his newspaper these irrational pogroms all the time now there was a at this point there was at least one attempt to reach the white forces from the west from

the entente and they said if you eliminate all anti-semites from your ranks if you take on all war debt including the the debt which is very small from the from the from the from the Tsarist era, engage in a disarm, engage in a constituent assembly election with the Marxists, we will consider aiding him. Now, even someone like Danikin, what wasn't that naive as to take a deal like that. Obviously, that was meant to almost be a mocking set of conditions. It was impossible that, but that's how we know that there was no aid at all coming from the Western world to the whites. Churchill wrote at this time that he knew that there was a close

connection between Bolshevism and Jewry, which is why he liked the idea of encouraging Zionism because he saw it as something more nationalist than Marxist. I don't know, he never heard of Moses Hess, but there was something to that. I mean, they could have simply left. Churchill could have then advocated a move to somewhere else rather than staying in Russia. But that was not going to be the case. The Jews were on the cusp of victory. No aid was coming from Britain. No aid was coming from there no matter what the whites did. And the conditions that the British with the old untant laid down for assistance were so ridiculous. There was no way to do it. And the simple fact remains and Churchill knew that making a distinction between the Bolsheviks and Jewry was very

hard to do. You know, he wanted good press, not necessarily the reality of it, but good press. God knows what he was reading in the British. You know, I've read some of the older articles. The Russian barbarian is slaughtering Jews for no reason. That's what your British aristocrats were reading every day. It wasn't true. dues, of course, were extremely powerful in Britain. And, of course, there were certain disagreements, but they still actively supported the Red Army. And any intervention, and I'll say this again and again and again, during the war, of

course, was for the sake of getting the Russians back into the war. But afterwards, it was to protect their own assets to try to encourage the secession of the Baltics, especially down south. South, the French, the attempt to make sure the oil wells didn't fall into the hands of the whites or anybody else but themselves to protect their own ammunition stores, which could have been given to the whites, but were never. They were destroyed rather than given to the whites. So I'll repeat this until the day I die. The interventionists in the Russian Civil War had zero to do with supporting the whites. In fact, they stated,

and in my book on the Soviet Union. I don't know if in the paper I just sent you. I don't know if I mentioned it there. Maybe it's another one I'll send you soon where they come out and say, we are not supporting the whites here. And the British banking establishment pretty once said that Trotsky was their guy,

the only real statesman in Russia, and that's where they put their bets on, the man they put their bets on, and to a lesser extent, Lenin. However, the pogroms were not stopped, which largely explains the extremely, weak and reluctant assistance given by Western powers to the white armies. And calculations by Wall Street naturally led it to support Bolsheviks as to more likely future rulers over Russia's riches.

Moreover, the climate in the U.S. and Europe was permeated by sympathy toward those who claim to be builders of a new world with their grandiose plans and great social objective. Well, that doesn't largely explain the extremely weak and reluctant assistance. There was no assistance given. The pogroms were a part of it, but it's not a huge part of it. That was a, if anything, it was a consequence rather than a cause. I have quote after quote after quote, as well as people like writers like Anthony Sutton has book after book after book, citing the British establishment, to lesser extent, the American establishment, siding with the Reds, partially because they weren't 100% sure what Bolivism was.

It certainly didn't affect them negatively, either way. And partially, you know, you had so many intellectuals in the West calling the Soviet Union the wave of the future. It was a huge, itself it was a wave, especially in Britain and America, that this is where we're all headed. And we really need to support this movement. And jewelry, of course, should be our superiors, and that's why they run this.

And that's no exact. that wave of the future concept was extremely important. And the American intellectual class, unless you were specifically anti-communist, tended to see it that way. And as the decades went on, that just got even worse, which is part of the reason, as you mentioned a few weeks ago, the censorship of the man-made famines, and the purges, which were really, yeah, they slaughtered a million people, but that's, that's

nothing. I mean, they did that every day at this period of time. It was a weekend for the Soviet Union. They want to blame everything on Stalin, but it didn't keep the Western money from, from Pornan. It was still the wave of the future, whether it be Stalin, even Khrushchev. Later on, it wasn't. But Lenin, Trotsky, Bukado, Stalin, early crusoe, the intellectual establishment, media establishment saw Bolivism,

which they understood sort of as the wave of the future. We have one long paragraph, a small one, and then a natural break. So we'll see what we got at the end of the second one. And yet,

the behavior of the former entente of Western nations during the entire civil war is striking by its greed and blind indifference toward the white movement, the successor of their wartime ally, Imperial Russia. They even demanded that the whites joined the Bolshevik delegation at the Versailles Peace Conference. Then there was this delirious idea of peace negotiations with the Bolsheviks on the Prince's Islands. The Entente, which should not recognize any of the white governments officially, was hastily recognizing all those new national states emerging on the periphery of Russia,

thus unambiguously betraying the desire for its dismemberment. The British hurried to occupy the oil-rich region of Baku. The Japanese claimed parts of the Far East and the Kamchatka Peninsula. The American troops in Siberia were more of a hindrance than a help and actually facilitated the capture of Primori by the Bolsheviks. The Allies even extorted payments for any aid they provided, in gold from Kolchak, in the south of Russia, in the form of Black Sea vessels, concessions, and future obligations.

There were truly shameful episodes when the British were leaving the Archangel region in the Russian North. They took some of them, they took with some of them, they took with them some of the Tsar's military equipment and ammunition. They gave some of what they couldn't take to the Reds and sunk the rest in the sea to prevent it from getting into the hands of the whites. In the spring of 1920, the Entente put forward an ultimat, put forward an ultimat, to the white generals Danikin and Rangel demanding an end to their struggle against the Bolsheviks. In the summer of 1920, France provided some material aid to Rangel so that he could help Poland. Yet only six months later, they were parsimoniously deducting Rangel's military equipment as payment for feeding of those Russian soldiers who retreated to Gallipoli.

Yeah, and this is why the history of the 20th century needs to be rewritten. because lazy historians will say that anything that the Western powers did in Russia at this time was to fight the communists. They say that all the time. It's usually wrong. Or anything that the Americans did concerning civil wars, even in the third world later on, was to fight the communists. It was never the case. Beyond that, it also makes a mockery of Marxism. You know, I've been studying Marxist theory, the doctoral level for God, I don't know, you know, since I could walk. And there is no, there's no opening in Marxist theory for the wealthy to start supporting this movement.

Not so they can control it or change it. No, actively supporting it. The fact that no workers were involved, these were upper middle class Jews from all over the place. and tons of aristocrats in Western Europe who suddenly discovered a purpose with all of this it makes a mockery of everything that's assumed about 20th century history and it starts here and so everything from here on in

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a Bartholov in Russian, and a few others that got me on this track that it doesn't make any sense. The interventionists could have crushed the Red Army in two seconds. Now, not maybe at this point, the Red Army got to be about four million strong. But in the beginning, when it first started, they only had a tiny toll holt in Petersburg. When it first happened, they could have. The Japanese could have smashed it. The West prevented that from happening. The French could have. The British and the Americans in the North could have. But people like Vronsville, for whatever reason, I'm sorry, D'Neakin, he had almost a romantic connection to the Entente where, you know, he just waited for aid from them.

They're eventually going to get the picture and they're going to help me. And he lived his life that way. Eventually they're going to get, you know, they're going to understand the truth. And by the way, at Versailles, it was only the Reds that represented the Soviet Union that were present there. And in my book on the Soviet experiment, it's almost pathetic to the extent that he just had so much faith, the Western allies were going to soon understand and then figure out the story and then assist him. Oh, my God, we didn't realize how bad they were. there's the same thing i mean hitler to some extent was shocked how the hell is a british empire supporting Stalin of all people you know again it's just it doesn't seem it's counterintuitive

but um the deeper you go into it you realize the the logic behind it um it doesn't make sense only to the neophyte but those of us who know how to go deeper realize that he actually makes a lot of sense but marxism has an ideology and i want to reiterate this is made a mockery of by the fact that it was only the wealthy who were into it. Workers rarely, unless they were lied to about it, supported it. Peasants, of course, despised it. People wanted their own property. But the Marxists wanted it collectivized and socialized.

That is not what they wanted. In fact, it was the opposite of what they wanted. What difference would it make whether you have a wealthy boss telling you what to do or a commissar telling you what to do, they wanted their own independence. And neither capitalist nor Marxists were willing to do that. In Russia, of course, being neither of those things prior to the World War I, you had a much better situation,

as close to ideals you can get, and relative to Europe at the time, Germany, very similar. So, anyway, so much of this, the ideological side of this too, falls apart. And that's why university professors have to lie about it. Because not only, their ideology doesn't make any sense anymore if this is all true. And when Anthony Sutton wrote his, that that was a three-volume work as to how the Western wealthy built the USSR, it was an incredible silence. It was like that, you know, there was a lot of negative reviews

and stuff. But if you read it and you believed it, your entire world, view had to be rewritten, not just history. Your personal ideology had to be rewritten. Nothing makes sense anymore. And only, you know, national socialism or some variant of that, social nationalism, was the only movement who grasped it, you know, the monarchists too in Russia and elsewhere, were the only ones who understood that there was something else happening here. And the Bolsheviks were lying to people, say, oh, you're going to get, you know, we're going to guarantee you your own plot of land. Well, if you're a communist, Leninist, Stalinist, you're against private property. How can you promise anyone their own land? And yet that was the main slogan of the Leninists at this

point. No, they were going to collectivize it and force you to work on it for Jewish commissars who knew nothing about agriculture. And so the country starved. And then Jewish writers in the U.S. as time went on or trying to figure out why was there so much anti-Semitism among the Russians. I guess it's because they're just irrational animals and jealous people. They just couldn't figure it out. Yeah, I think it's telling that when you look in history, you can, you're allowed to denigrate a whole religion over the Inquisition or a child sex scandal, which is turned out to be endemic to most organized social and religious and governmental organizations. And you're allowed to denigrate an ethnos, blame them for a world war, and say they got what they deserved at the end of the war.

but and you're you're allowed to detail exactly how but they always point to like the worst things the you know oh the inquisition this many people were executed this many children were abused here this many people were killed during the war here but when you point out like a blatant murder a blatant murder campaign, mass murder campaign in Russia, or the existential, the seemingly existential crises that are caused by usury and pornography and things like that, you're not allowed to, it's verboten to talk about the group that when you dig down into the week, and you figure out who was most responsible for it, you can't, they're not, that group's not allowed to be denigrated while any other group over here, religion or ethnos, is allowed to be

demonized to the point of used as like campfire tales to scare your children. And they, we don't want to denigrate anybody. We're simply telling the truth. Yes, the truth denigrates them. Not us. Yeah, you're absolutely right. But, you know, I'm convinced you take the media out of the picture, you take academia out of the picture, you take fashion out of the picture. If you go to the average person and you give an explanation of the various ideologies that they could hold that we'd win, our ideology is tried and true. That's why I talk about, you know, how it worked in the third world in places like South Korea, the Third Reich, very similar sets of policies. even to some extent, Putin and starting in 2000, where a country on the verge of dissolution

was within a few years brought to major power status, incredible prosperity, all through that same ideological prison. But today, of course, not only is it forbidden, but in Europe you go to prison for it. and we know, even, even, you know, it would be considered, I guess, ethnic incitement or something like that. You go to prison for talking like this. It's the one ideological point of view you're not allowed to hold. And it's very frustrating. I've been debating people on religion and ideology since I was 17, and most of the time I end up explaining that your understanding of it is simply faulty.

we disagree less than you realize. You have a caricature of the Christian faith, not the reality. You don't know that much about it. E. Michael Jones makes a big deal about our passions. You know, someone who has addicted to pornography has every reason to despise things like confession and a strict moral code. So maybe there's things that are just not quite intellectual

about their decision to hate the faith. The sex stuff, I have an article on that actually, is such a myth, at least from the Catholic point of view. It's such nonsense. There's actually a website that has business accountability.org, it's called. It has a full list from 1949 to today

of every clergyman has ever been even accused slightly. of it. And you realize for the overwhelming majority of them, there wasn't even enough evidence for an arrest, let alone a conviction, a tiny percentage, whoever convicted of anything. And among those people, the church had taken substantial action against them. Many of them were former clergy anyway. And then we look at the public school system, and we see where it really is. So again, you have another aspect of projection here. we know where the sexual abuse is,

so we're going to make sure that we can protect it onto our enemies. They don't do that consciously, of course. But it's very convenient for them. All right, Dr. Johnson, another episode down. As I do at the end of every episode, please go over to the show notes and the description of the videos on the platforms and all the links to how you can support Dr. Johnson are there. Please do that, subscribe to his Patreon, send them at one time.

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