The Pete Quiñones Show - Reading Solzhenitsyn's '200 Years Together' w/ Dr Matthew Raphael Johnson - Part 74

Episode Date: September 27, 2025

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I want to welcome everyone back to our reading of 200 years together by Alexander Solzheneson. This is episode 74. Dr. Johnson, how are you doing today? Here's my question to Roman Catholics. How could you believe in purgatory with the, existence of kidney stones in the world. Seems to me that that's that's it. You know, um, that level of suffering is so bizarrely bad that should take care of everything. You know, um, purgatory just seems adding to that. Is it just more kidney stones? I don't know. It just

occurred to me just a second ago. How you doing? I don't know. Maybe I'll go argue that one with the priest and see what he, uh, see what he says. All right. Looks like we're going to finish this chapter. It might be a short episode, but we'll be starting a new one on the next one. And I know people are looking forward to getting through, hearing more about this period in the history of Russia. So here we go. The Black Streak of Jewish pogroms in Ukraine ran through the whole of 1919 and the beginning of 1920.

By their scope, scale, and atrocity, these pogroms immeasurably exceeding. all the previous historical instances discussed in this book. The pogroms of 1881 through 1882, 1903, and 1905. U. Lauren, a high-placed Soviet functionary, wrote in the 1920s that during the Civil War, Ukraine saw, quote, a very large number of massive Jewish pogroms far exceeding anything from the past with respect to the number of victims and number of perpetrators. Vinichenko allegedly said that, quote, the pogroms would. stop only when the Jews would stop being communists.

And I was writing my book on Ukraine. I came across him. I read him. I had a Vinichenka phase. And I came to the conclusion that you have a lot of proto-national socialists at the time. You know, anyone who is a legitimate nationalist and a socialist automatically is a national socialist. They're not necessarily, you know, Hitlerians, but you have so many of the concepts of it.

Vinichenko, you know, is not lionized by the left today. Probably unknown. And I have come across that line. He has said it. He did say it. He said, and the number of perpetrators, that's the, now I'm rolling my eye so much here. I'm starting to get a cramp in my eye muscles. but the number of perpetrators, that means everybody,

everyone who they deal with has a problem with them. To the point of violence, I'll repeat what I said when I've been saying, these were armed groups, these were highly cohesive, they were almost exclusively allied with the left and its various factions, and so, you know, it's not like there's innocent people.

we talked about the whites smashing up stores I don't know how much how they knew what a Jewish store was and how a non-Jewish store unless theirs was just the biggest the whites were always struggling with supplies always

I'm sure I mean sometimes I know they're written in Hebrew letters like they were like in Brooklyn in the 20s you see that I'm not sure back in in places like Kiev in Odessa So other than that though I don't know if that's how it was at all Excuse me But number of perpetrators

We're talking about the whites We're talking about certain Cossacks We're talking about the Poles We're even talking about certain leftists Including some of the rebels, certainly the peasant rebels This is like a mini version of the 109 But whoever they are they deal with there's violence against them.

But this is a very specific kind of violence. And but Venetchenko here, what he says here is absolutely correct. That's why this is going on. There is no precise estimate of the number of victims of those pogroms. Of course, no reliable count could be performed that situation, neither during the events nor immediately afterwards. In the book Jewish pogroms, we were, read, quote, the number of murdered in Ukraine and Bilobarcia between 1917 and 1921 is approximately

180 to 200,000. The number of orphans alone, 300,000, but speaks of the enormous scale of the catastrophe. The present-day Jewish Encyclopedia tells us that by different estimates, from 70,000 to 180,000 to 200,000 Jews were killed. So it's probably maybe half or third of that number in reality. What they don't ask is how many of the, you know, well, first of all, how many of these were started by Jews, armed Jews. This has been a longstanding issue with them. And how many of the whites were killed in the process? A pogrom, you can't confuse a pogrom with an actual battle. And when you talk about numbers, like this.

It sounds like, let's say the third, half of it is true, maybe. You're talking about shootouts, not just lining people up against the wall. With numbers like this, this is a civil war numbers. It's not a catastrophe. This is what happens when the Jews have relied themselves with the Marxists and are very well armed. Compiling data from different Jewish sources, a modern historian comes up with 900 mass pogroms, of which 40% by Petlora's Ukrainian directorate groups, troops,

25% by the squads of the various Ukrainian Ottomans, Adamans, 17% by Danikin's white army troops, and 8.5% by the first cavalry of Boudioni and other Red Army troops. That's interesting. Every once in a while, you'll come across this. I've been reading Trotsky on the Jews recently, and he brings this up. that you do have some, I mean, he admits that a massive proportion of Red Army soldiers from officers right down to the conscripts didn't want to be there and didn't want to fight.

But they had ways of making them stay there. He admits this. He doesn't deny it. And part of the reason for that was the commissar system. You had, you know, in the Red Army, even then you had punitive. detachment to the rear that shot anyone who tried to retreat. Even at the Civil War level, this was going on. Trotsky talks all about it. Now, when those guys get shot, they were overwhelmingly Jewish.

Is this a program? I'm guaranteeing you that in their mind, it is. Now, Petlora, at a personal level, being a high-ranking Mason, you know, you didn't have much with Hetman, Skoda-Pon. in charge, by the way. You didn't have any, as I mentioned before, in the strictest Orthodox

white armies, like Kellers and Gagoria, people like that, you had very little. But Luria was generally philosemitic. So trying to blame these,

these were simply battles. These weren't the top-down issues. And the Adamans were talking about, you know, Hedman is the elected head of a Cossack force. And Ottoman is something less formal. They could be anybody. It could be something like a really as low as a gang leader that has some political orientation.

Where they're getting these numbers from, how they're getting it together. I have no idea. But you could understand the White Army's point of view, but Laura. And he's been excoriated in the Jewish press ever since then for this. But remember, Ukraine is right dead center in the pale of settlement, meaning that they know Jews very well. You notice that no other wealthy minorities being harmed here. Doesn't come up ever at all. But even if it's true about Petlora, well, he overthrew the Hetman, the only chance that Ukraine ever had to function and become a workable,

more or less independent state. That was destroyed and still destroyed today. Jews were always an opponent of that. You know, Ukrainian nationalism was strictly a rural matter. It was an agrarian matter because very few Ukrainians lived in cities. That was the realm of Jews overwhelmingly and some Germans, some Russians, some Greeks, some Armenians, a handful of Arabs sometimes. who apparently were not harmed, we're not singled out, we're not shot.

So, Muslims tended to be on the white side overwhelmingly. So I question a lot of this stuff. And Sultan Isan being a little bit dramatic here. He seems to sort of accept it. But I think as we go on here, he's going to give some more explanation. Airgrid, operator of Ireland's electricity grid, is powering up the Northwest. We're planning to upgrade the electricity grid in your area, and your input and local knowledge are vital in shaping these plans.

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TV and broadband sold separately, terms apply for more infoz he's got out of e slash beads. Shouldn't it also be taken into consideration that it would be very hard to know exactly how many Jews were there in the first place, considering they could never get a census on them because they were moving so much? That's exactly right. That goes back, what, three, four months now.

They have no idea how many Jews were there. They're very hard to get a hold of. They're changing their names all over the place, even if that were the case. Yeah, that goes back many years. You're absolutely correct. These numbers are speculative at best. Yet how many butchered lives are behind these figures? Already during the Civil War, national and socialist Jewish parties began merging with the Reds. The Farinicht, the United Jewish Socialist Workers Party, turned into the Comfarinicht,

communist Jewish Socialist Workers Party and adopted the communist program, and together with the communist wing of the Bund formed the Kambund in June 1920. In Ukraine, associates and members of the Farinik. Together with the Ukrainian Kambun formed the Khamfarbund, the Jewish Communist Union, which later joined the all-Russian Communist Party of Bolsheviks. In 1919, in Kiev, the official Soviet press provided text in three languages, Russian, Ukrainian, and Yiddish. The Bolsheviks used these programs to their enormous advantage. They extremely skillfully exploited the programs in order to influence public opinion in Russia and abroad in many Jewish and non-Jewish circles in Europe and America. And the same argument goes for any kind of act of violence against Jews today, which we all condemn,

and we condemn it, at least in part, because it serves their interests. and the act of violence serves the regime they love that it creates cohesiveness the state goes into overdrive they shut down free speech they

they have all these programs for school kids you know violence against a synagogue which is usually done from the inside but even if it wasn't only serves the interests of the

of the elite of the Jews of the system. So they're gaining nothing. In the midst of a civil war that they apparently are losing, the whites and anyone connected to them has absolutely no incentive to do this. The only incentive I could see is grounding for supplies from the White Army, which in many cases was that we've already mentioned that.

So if there were no pogroms, they would have to invent them. and I have the feeling that they did. This is why people like De Nican, you know, told me, you know, we know that the Jews are the communists and everything, but you can't openly persecute them when we take an area, when we capture an area. That's precisely what they want. That's exactly why they've become so cohesive in this situation to begin with.

It serves no one's interest but theirs. Yet the Reds had the finger in the pie as well, and they were actually first ones. In the spring of 1918, units of the Red Army retreating from Ukraine, perpetrated pogroms, using the slogan, strike the Yids, and the bourgeoisie. The most atrocious pogroms were carried out by First Cavalry Army during its retreat from Poland in the end of August 1920. Yet historical awareness of the pogroms carried out by the Red Army during the Civil War has been rather glossed over. Only a few condemning voices have spoken on the topic. Pasmonic wrote,

During the first winter of Bolshevik rule, the red troops fighting under the red banner carried out several bloody pogroms, most notable of which were pogroms in Glukhov and Novgorod Sevesky. By number of victims, deliberate brutality, torture, and abuse, those two had eclipsed even the Kalush massacre. Retreating before the advancing Germans, the red troops were destroying Jewish settlements on their route. Well, they were destroying every settlement on their route.

That was their method. It was, you know, very much a red army style or Chinese people's army style slash and burn kind of retreat. Now, of course, he's quoting somebody here. But if you are, if you are a non-Jew who joins the Communist Party out of some sort of, of misplaced idealism, how could you not notice the tremendously privileged position that they're in, that the super wealthy Jews are considered workers and proletarians in official party documents, who talked about this already, and not be totally disillusioned? And again, I have to bring up the commissar system. Trotsky mentions it, even now, even at this point,

Every officer or even NCOs had a commissar attached to them or even maybe a small group of them who never left their side, never left their side. Because it was strictly political rather than military, these were overwhelmingly Jewish. You had the same problem in World War II, even to a greater extent. It never really went away. Now, I don't know about 60, 70, I don't know if it was the same in Afghanistan. I think that may have not been the case then. but in this era, that's exactly how the Red Army functioned. That certainly, you know, it would explain some Red Army contempt of the Jews.

That certainly is not a program, though. This is what happens in civil wars that are deeply ideological and where the Jews are at the core of it. S. Masloff is also quite clear. Quote, the March of the Bidjoni Cavalry Army during its relocation from the Polish to the Crimean Front, was marked by thousands of murdered Jews, thousands of raped women and dozens of utterly raised and looted Jewish settlements.

In Zadimir, each new authority inaugurated its rule with a pogrom, and often repeatedly after each time the city changed hands again. The feature of all those pogroms by Petluro's, troops, the Poles, or the Soviets, was the large number of killed, end quote. The Boginski and Tarashansky Regiment stood out in particular, though those two having come from over to Banyani from the Directorate. Allegedly, those regiments were disarmed because of the pogroms and the instigators were hanged.

The above-sided socialist S. Schwartz concludes from his historical standpoint in 1952, quote, during the revolutionary period, particularly during the Civil War, anti-Semitism has grown extraordinarily, and especially in the South, spread extensively in the broad mass. of the urban and rural population. These people still have no idea as to why people would hate them. After all of this, what was going on at the time? I mean, regardless of, you know, all the idealism that anyone in the Red Army thought was there was totally dashed. Russians at this point were already being sent to camps.

In one of the papers I sent you, and just so you know, I've sent two lengthy papers on the Civil War. on the ideology and the religious aspects of it that deal with a lot of this. So there's some reading material to clarify this. The Gulag camp was already established. It was established really 19, 19, 1920. It was certainly in London's lifetime.

And he talks about it. Usually they use monasteries. Up in the far north was really bad. And the entire system, of course, was run by Jews. But they have to sit there and, I wonder what's going to be. causing all this hatred. It's because they're unavolved Slavic savages. It must be the case. They are pathologically incapable of self-reflection. Alas, the resistance of the Russian population

to the Bolsheviks, without which we wouldn't have a right to call ourselves a people, had faltered and took wrong turns in many ways, including on the Jewish issue. Meanwhile, the Bolshevik was touting the Jews, and they were joining it, and the Civil War was more and more broadening that chasm between reds and whites. Quote, if the revolution in general has cleared jury of suspicion in counter-revolutionary attitude, the counter-revolution has suspected all jury of being pro-revolutionary, and thus the Civil War became an unbearable torment for Jewry, further consolidating them on the wrong revolutionary positions, and so they failed to recognize a genuine redemptive essence of the white

armies. Yeah, their connection with the white armies, as we talked about before, was absolutely minimal. The reader has to ask themselves, why? I mean, why are Jews, matter where they go, who they deal with, that end up in some kind of trouble? What are they doing? And no other minority group is like this. And there were several. We talked about in the Revolution of 1905, 06, the reason why the Jews were kicked out of the universities is because they simply turned them into centers of revolutionary violence. That's why they were there. It wasn't about education.

People were killed that way. And it only got far worse in this case. The only way you're going to get any Jew interested in the whites is if they truly represented the provisional government. which was Jewish. It was mostly Masonic, but it was Jewish. But it doesn't matter where it is, no, where you go, just unbearable torment. Really? Now, I think this is Maudlin. I think this is wildly exaggerated. Lots of people were tormented during this civil war. It was bloody. It was nasty. It was led by Trunschy. It was a Judaic movement, you know, torching churches, destroying the peasant communes, that would never be the case, unless it had a strong Judeaic

element, no matter what side you were on. And I could just picture of Cossack saying, you know, I told you so. This is just a, this is just the payoff, everything we've talked about from the very beginning, especially when the Poles, the Polish Empire fell apart and became absorbed into the Russian empire. Everything that they were culminated into this. This is totally on brand for them. It's very hard to find, I don't believe women were raped. I think that would be very, very hard to do under these circumstances, especially when you're talking about in any of these battles, you have plenty of Russians who were killed. So, you know, this is just a lot of maudlin nonsense, we're the eternal victim

and they're putting this out to the west almost to cover up to cover up the fact that Russians were being sent to camps were being slaughtered peasants uprisings were being slaughtered in huge numbers and they were using chemical weapons against the Antonov movement

and many other peasant uprising that were already starting peasant uprisings that didn't really end until the German invasion they were covering up for that by talking about these programs, of course, done for absolutely no reason. Air Grid, operator of Ireland's electricity grid, is powering up the Northwest. We're planning to upgrade the electricity grid in your area,

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quote it was literally a chaos which released unbridled anarchy across russia anybody who wanted and was able to rob and kill was robbing and killing whoever he wanted officers of the russian army were massacred in the hundreds and thousands by bands of mutinous rabble entire families of landowners were murdered. Estates were burned. Valuable pieces of art were pilfered and destroyed. In some places, in manners, all living things, including livestock, were exterminated. Mob rule spread terror on the streets of cities. Owners of plants and factories were driven out of their enterprises and dwellings. Tens of thousands of people all over Russia were shot for the glory of the proletarian revolution.

Others rotted in stinking and vermin-infested prisons as hostages. It was not a crime or personal actions that put a man under the acts, but his affiliation with certain social stratum or class. It would be an absolute miracle if, under conditions when whole human groups were designated for extermination, the group named Jews remained exempt. The curse of the time was that it was possible to declare an entire class or a tribe evil. So condemning an entire social class to destruction is called the revolution. He had to kill and rob Jews is called a pogrom. The Jewish pogrom. The Jewish in the south of Russia was a competent of the all-Russia program, a component of the all-Russia program. And that's my position.

I think that's our position in my papers that I've sent to you. It gives even more detail as to how this was the case. Lennon and Trotsky were talking about this, that we're not shy about saying that huge groups in Russian Orthodox peoples, you know, Russian nationalists, especially Russian nationalists, of any kind, where to be herded to the camps or simply shot, peasants who didn't want to give over their grain and starve. So either they had to rise up against the Reds who they couldn't beat or they starved. Those are their two options.

That's what was happening. That's not discussed. I mean, most people don't know what the Antenov uprising was. It was 60,000 men, 60,000 armed peasants. there were no gun laws in old Russia. There certainly is going to be under the USSR, but not under old Russia, took up arms against the so-called bread detachments, the early forms of the Cheka. They talked, you know, their first constitution, I think the first two constitutions of the USSR mandated and legitimized collective punishment for entire group, sometimes entire regions. I mentioned the poison gas that doesn't get used.

It was the only way that they were able to defeat the peasants under the Antonov, Antonov, Shina, 19, 1920. They used poison gas in many cases. How they got it was a very good question. We all know that the Jews have been excellent smugglers. That's really what they were throughout their time in Russia since the fall of the Polish Empire. and they used it whenever they didn't think they could win. Reading Trotky, there's a whole Trotchke archive online where all his stuff is there for free.

And it's worth a read. He talks about this to some extent. Sometimes he uses code words, but they're not shy about admitting all of this and then complaining, then wondering, why, how can you be anti-smit it, How can it possibly be? You must be crazy. After these Jewish groups would then destroy all these areas.

These bred detachments were Jewish. The entire anti-religious component was Jewish. The entire punitive units, you know, the Cheka and stuff, were Jewish at the high levels, even the middle levels. And their methods of torture were vile. The whites would take a town and they would see it. They would see, you know, they wouldn't clean up a room after the guy was tortured. You torture a bunch of people. The place is just coated in body parts and everything else.

And it was a psychological thing. You get brought into a room and you see eyeballs and everything everywhere. That was how they did things. This was how the Khazars did things. This was why the Khazars were considered Antichrist in the early Middle Ages when the Khazar Empire was at its height. They're not shy about talking about this. And yet, we can't mention it. and you get sent to prison in parts of Europe for bringing it up.

That last paragraph was all a quote from the book by a Russian Jew, Elias Bickerman, and the book was called, where is it? It was Russia and Russian Jewry. So, yeah, that came from a Jewish source. All right. Last paragraph of the chapter. Such was the woeful acquisition of all the peoples of Russia, including the Jews, after the successful attainment of equal rights, after the splendid revolution of March 1917,

that both the general sympathy of Russian Jews towards the Bolsheviks and the developed attitude of the white forces towards Jews eclips and erased the most important benefit of a possible white victory, the sane evolution of the Russian state. I think the way to summarize all of this is, and I know it sounds repetitive at this point, but sometimes it's hard to wrap your brain around. Programs weren't done for no reason. It wasn't that Jews were singled out, is that when you were at war with the communist, they were mostly Jews.

You had entire units. When they created there, and they had so much money, from the West, you know, the whites had nothing. The whites were struggling, even with basic nutrition, especially and not so much, the Siberians did better. But as already, you know, in 1919, you know, they didn't have, their ammunition was coming from the field. They had to take weaponry from dead, dead reds. And of course, they knew that these were Western supplied weapons. The Nican talks about in his biography. And, you know, you still had some of them who believed that the Antaunt, the Western allies,

you're going to come around and realize how terrible that Bolsheviks are and support them. And that naivte, you know, it's one of the many things that lost in the war. Because even if they did what the Entente wanted them to do, they still, you know, there would be no aid whatsoever. There were interventions, Western interventions in Russia. the time they had nothing to do with Marxism or the Bolsheviks. They didn't know what Bolivism was. They certainly didn't see it as a threat. It was there, they were there to protect their assets. And during the war, of course, to try to get Russia back into the war again and to keep Germany from certain ammunition stocks in the Baltic Sea from their ports for, um, um, um, their ports for, um,

submarines that was the point of it to protect the oil wells in the southern part of the country and yet it's still that myth that that black myth that they were fighting Marxism like they had any clue like what would Woodrow Wilson as intelligent as you was had any idea I mean he was well educated to put it that way but a real Bolshevik wasn't because they they were they were never honest and public about what they were anyway and that and that they were expert propaganda. You know, the whites, whites tried propaganda, but it was never, it was never at the psychological level that the Jews were able to, they simply didn't have the money. You know, it comes down to the fact that the Jews had been a revolutionary force for a long time,

not just during the Civil War. This is just the apogee. This is just a culmination of everything that's happened before. And by now, you know, there were no unarmed Jews. There were no Innesian Jews. They knew exactly what was going on. Yeah, Trotsky had a problem with some of the Zionists. That's true. But he realized that some of the Zionists were on his side anyway, thanks to Moses Hess. You know, Trotsky wanted to make you think that he didn't think in Jewish terms, but he absolutely did. He talks about the pogroms all the time. This stuff, someone said this stuff propaganda that coming from the Red Army, knowing that this is what's going to keep the aid flowing.

The more program stories I could come up with and put into the Western news, the more money they're going to get from the shifts of the world, Rockefellers of the world, the Rothschilds of the world, and the governments who they control. And when the exiles,

the right-wing exiles, went to the West, went to Central Europe, and then eventually the U.S., Russian Orthodox Church abroad centered in New York City. They were too insular. They didn't speak English. They didn't really have a propaganda section.

For good reason, they weren't open to outsiders. I've gotten in. I've experienced that myself. There's a good reason for that. The Jews weren't like that. The Jews were far better at that kind of thing. and the American government through the police forces

when the FBI was tailing these people because these were Russian nationals these were Zaris that's far more that they considered a threat Bolivics never and now you have

an entire country as Solzhen Eastern lays out and we quote or whether it was a country that is just absolutely in shock PTSD beyond belief and that all the Jews can think about is themselves despite the fact that they were a combatant side

of this civil war they hated Christianity certainly the Russian monarchy and Russian Orthodox Church probably the new Rome more than anybody that was the Goy of Goyim long before there were any pogroms pogroms served the interest of the Red Army

serve the interest of the Jews. Of course, there's going to be attacks on them. How can you not? The Ukrainians were well aware of this. What did they expect, given their behavior? Given their behavior over the last three or four generations, and yet because they're incapable of reflecting on their own action and taking responsibility for anything,

they have to come up with some kind of special pleading explanation for as to why people hate them. And I'm telling you, and you know and know, some of our listeners know, there was good reason to hate them at the time. There is no excusing what they did and what they will continue to do in destroying Russia right up until the early 1970s. And the Jews kind of withdrew from the USSR around that point. So that explains that, that's a summary of what we've been doing here. That's what's happening here. That's what's been happening here. And Sultanisian kind of agrees on it a little bit too much with some of the

program stories. And the white armies didn't, you know, they fought the program if there were any in their midst. They knew that it only served the Jews. It only served the Bolsheviks. And it served them specifically by two ways, making the Jews more cohesive and bringing more aid money from from the West remember the Red Army had a full paid staff they had a whole bureaucracy from what there were a tiny group just a year or so a couple of years ago a tiny handful of people where is this money coming from how are they able to get away with with conscription of course the hostage system get people to fight for them well that was the punitive detachments the

commissar system. This is beyond the white, it took a long time to grasp what the hell was going on here. Because normal people don't behave that way. People still expect Jews to behave like normal people and they're not. This is why this is going on. And when Stalin came to power, the Jews

tried to pretend that Stalin was anti-Semitic. He was nothing of the kind. He enforced anti-Semitic laws. The laws passed by Lenin as violently as anybody else. He said so in public. But some of these people, some of these revolutionaries were purged from the armed forces and from the state because they weren't, they were revolutionaries. They weren't functionaries. He needed functionaries.

But since the old Bolsheviks were all Jews, the West had really one of two options. Either admit that the Bolshevik revolution was Jewish or call Stalin an anti-Semite. And that's what they went with. Stalin surrounded himself with Jews. Jews prospered completely under the Stalinist system. And by now, we're talking about like 1919. Lenin had long since decreed the laws against anti-Semitism. And it wasn't just violence.

It was any kind of name-calling. And I have a few more papers to send you or get into this in great depth. You know, you think I'd be sick of it by now, but, and there's so much more that needs to be done in, and, and uncovering so much of this. That seems to be the basic summary of what we've been doing here. And it's a shame that we, you have plenty of people in Russia talking like this all the time, all the time. It's pretty normal there, so long as it's on a scholarly level. But in the U.S., if you don't go to jail in the U.S., you simply get, you know, removed from society.

In Western Europe, you get sent to jail. They've banned Sputnik and RT in Western Europe. So it's depressing, it's painful, but the whites didn't know what they were up against. Eventually, the Reds outnumbered them to a huge degree. And they had a, the Reds had at least, and had a ideologically motivated people, but they also had the hostage system, the commissar system, and it got people fighting for them. It got people willing to do what they were told.

Something again that the whites never heard of before. It was inconceivable to them, and it took a long time for them to realize what they were dealing with. The Cossacks knew. That's the whole reason for the existence of the Cossacks. The whites didn't stand a chance, not without assistance from the outside. and you had an army of imperial officers working for the Reds and people are wondering why,

and now we know why. Of course, fighting the communists, by definition, is going to be fighting the Jews. That's not a pogrom. And yet, the way that we're talked to today, the way we're spoken to today, lecture to today, that's exactly what a pogrom is. I'll repeat myself again. Jews were armed, they were motivated, they were cohesive, and these so-called programs often were started by them.

Anytime there was any expression of Russian nationalism of any kind, they'd open fire. You had far more Russian deaths than Jewish deaths in these programs, going back from the late 19th century. And that's the fact of the matter, and that's where we are right now in this book. All righty. We will pick up in a couple of days and start chapter 17.

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