The Pete Quiñones Show - Reading Solzhenitsyn's '200 Years Together' w/ Dr Matthew Raphael Johnson - Part 78

Episode Date: October 11, 2025

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I want to welcome everyone back to our reading of Alexander Solzhenitson's 200 years together. This is episode 78. Dr. Johnson, how are you doing today? We are now in the time of year. where I don't complain nearly as much about the weather. This is this small window where I think the weather is wonderful. Like mid-October to late, or even through December, this is where I seem to thrive weather-wise.

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Then, as if to confirm the Bolsheviks are changing for the better, that they can learn, the NEP came. They've loosened their suffocating grip on the economy, and that made them all the more acceptable. Quote, first, NEP, then some concessions. Hopefully, it'll all work out for us. Well, briefly, I think many of our readers know what the NEP is, New Excheoncessions. economic program. It was the permission because the country was starving. The party wasn't, but the rest of the country was. It was a time of limited, especially in agriculture, market exchange, and it actually worked. Now, in the countryside, peasants started doing well, which was a huge problem when some, came in. But then, of course, it just meant the, they used to call them Netman in English, that, you know, the Jews then took over in the cities in terms of this limited permission to trade.

Now, that in and of itself had nothing to do with it. But the point was, so, okay, let's not starve, let's not starve these people, at least for now. And now that the war is over, you had, you know, war communism and then and then this NEP. And don't, but don't get to get the impression that he shut down the gulags or, or, you know, he wasn't executing people. He was doing that every day. But, and whether he knew, of course, he knew it would benefit the Jews more than anybody else. But at least in the countryside, more specifically, they were able to sell their products. and a slight degree of class distinctions.

There's always going to be class distinctions in terms of income in the countryside developed. And, you know, the Kulaks developed, which weren't exactly wealthy men whatsoever. They were just the most productive of the peasants. This is just before collectivization, although the roots of collectivization had been laid down. They did not have private property. but remember the Soviet government didn't have even though the war was over Soviet government didn't have full control there was always uprisings it was always problems and worldwide it was it was unclear whether or not the Bolshevians were going to stay in power

and then the NEP was a way to ensure they were going to stay in power maybe oh they're not so bad after all see what they're doing they're a normal country now So that's what the NEP is, was. We cannot call the entire Jewish emigration pro-Bulshevik. Yet they did not see the Bolshevik state as their main enemy, and many still sympathized with it. Yet a noteworthy incident, mockingly described in Izvestaya, happened to Goryonski, a Jewish emigrant writer.

In 1928, the already famous Babel, and already well known for his links to the Cheka, was temporarily residing in Paris to muster creative inspiration. While in the cafe Rotunda, he noticed his old acquaintance, probably from Odessa, who magnanimously offered his hand to him. Greetings, Goryonsky. But Goryonsky stood up and contemptuously turned away from the offered hand. Well, what, does that story have an end?

It's like it's cut off in the middle. I don't know what it's supposed to mean. Let's do the next sentence. and see if it no it doesn't it doesn't go anywhere um but i i suppose it means the isaac babel uh i think his name was isaac um that you did have you did have divisions i mean jews knew what was happening maybe a lot of people didn't but jews knew what was happening in the uss and it was making them look bad any p or no you see the checo was still in operation and if this man was truly a part of the Cheka,

Babel was, going to, going abroad and saying hello to Jews that were not a part of the system, I don't want to have anything to do with you. I'm pretty sure that's the point here, whether or not because he was a tyrant or that it just made Jews look bad, it's probably just because it made the Jews look bad. And actually that's going to be the theme of the next few paragraphs, think. The rise of Hitlerism in Germany naturally and for a long time reinforced the preference for Bolshevism in the social mind of European Jewry. The first international Jewish Congress

took place in Vienna in August 1936. M. Vishniak disapprovingly suggested that the collective attitude towards a Bolshevik regime was perfectly exemplified by the opinion of N. Goldman. if all sorts of freedom-loving governments and organizations flatter and even fawn before the Bolsheviks, why shouldn't supporters of Jewish and ethnic cultural independence follow the same path? Only Moscow's open support for anti-Jewish violence in Palestine slightly cooled the Congress leader's disposition toward the Soviet state. Even then, they only protested the banning of Hebrew, and the banning of emigration from the USSR to Palestine. Palestine. And finally, they objected to the continuing suffering of Zionists and political prisons

and concentration camps. Here, N. Goldman found both the necessary words and inspiration. In 1939 on the eve of World War II, S. Ivanovich noted, it cannot be denied that among immigrant Russian Jews, the mood was to rely on the perseverance of the Soviet dictatorship, if only to prevent pogroms. you understand the mentality that goes into that sentence, right? The Soviet dictatorship, which was sending the Goyam to prison in huge numbers, that was, you know, destroying the church. That's okay.

That's okay because, you know, the black hundreds then can't function and can't attack us. I mean, it's really, it's a sociopathic statement. Now, as far as Zionism is concerned, that's always, going to be a big problem. It's going to be a big problem right up to the end of the USSR. The main language of Russian Jews is Yiddish. And there was Yiddish in Germany, various accents and variations. And that's what the Soviets always promoted. They always saw, including the Jews, saw Hebrew as reactionary. And these Jews had no connection with that language anyway. It was going to die. And then when the Zionist state was created, although with the assistance of the USSR,

they had to make Hebrew its official language and then force it on people. Otherwise, he was going to die entirely. So, Jew speaking Hebrew, that was a different story. They don't fit in. You have to speak Yiddish. And Zionism still had this nationalist flavor to it that could turn them away from the USSR. And of course, me and you have spoken about, you know, Jackson-Vannock Amendment, you know, decades later and what Jewish immigration meant for, out-immigration meant for the Soviets and even for the Warsaw Pact. So, but still, that last paragraph, that last sentence is that it encapsulates a lot of what we've

been talking about here. Yeah, let's rely on the mass-murdering Soviet dictatorship, which has Jews doing a huge part of it so that these pogroms which were not what they think they were won't happen so the Christians can't organize so the Goyam can't organize

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Prowess doesn't taint. That is our attitude to Bolsheviks who were raised among us and to their satanic evil. Or the modern version, Jews have the right to have their own Bolsheviks. I've heard this declaration a thousand times at a meeting of Jewish emigrants in Berlin, one after the other, a respected cadet, a Democrat, a Zionist ascended the podium, and each proclaimed this right of Jews to have their own Bolsheviks, their right to monstrosity. Here are the consequences of these words.

Jewish opinion across the world turned away from Russia and accepted the Bolsheviks, when a famous, old, and well-respected Jewish public figure, a white crow, suggested to high Jewish dignitary in one of the European capitals organizing a protest against the execution of Orthodox priests in Russia. The latter, after reflecting on the idea, said that it would mean struggling against Bolshevism, which he considers an impossible thing to do because the collapse of the Bolshevik regime would lead to anti-Jewish pogroms. Yeah, they just repeated the same concept. More sensitive Jews may not have liked the idea of these people to speak. being slaughtered because Jews are doing the slaughtering, but we can't protest against it,

and we will not protest against it. Slaughtering the citizens of the last Roman Empire is always a great thing as far as they're concerned. Now, I'm not sure what they mean by their own Bolsheviks. They mean in exile or in the USSR. But I think it's been pretty clear, up until now, almost unnecessary to even say. say that Jewish opinion was never with Russia and of course accepted the Bolsheviks. Many of them would have accepted the Mensovics too because of Bolsheviks were far harder

on the so-called Black Hundreds and were massively Jewish. They stuck with them no matter what costs it would be. The only time you'd have a problem is when it became clear Jewish names were all over the punitive organs, these torturers and everything else. The world had never seen up into this point, had never seen up into this point. Jewish name after Jewish name after Jewish name, they started to get antsy. Not because these people were being killed, because they were starting to look bad. But if they can live with Bolsheviks, what do they think of the white movement? When Joseph Beekerman spoke in Berlin in November 1922 at the fifth anniversary of the founding of the White Army,

Jewish society in general was offended and took this as a slight against them. Meanwhile, Dr. D.S. Pasmanic, who fought on the German front until February 1917, then in the White Army until 1919, when he left Russia, had already finished, and in 1923, published in Paris's book Russian Revolution and Jewry, Bolshevism and Judaism, I cited it here, where he passionately argued against the commonplace explanation that Bolshevism originated from the Jewish religion. Quote, the identification of Judaism was with Bolshevism is a grave global danger.

In 1923, together with I.M. Beekerman, G.A. Landau, I.O. Linsky, also an ex-member of the White Army, and V.C. Mandel, Pasmannock founded the National Union of Russian Jews abroad. This group published an appeal to the Jews of the world in the same year and soon after published a collection, Russia and the Jews in Berlin. Here is how they described the task they undertook in their feelings. Pasmannix said, the unspeakable pain of the Jew and the unending sorrow of the Russian citizen motivated this work. Because of the dark events of the recent years, it was difficult to find a balanced point

of view on both Russian and Jewish questions. We attempted to merge the interests of the renewed Russia and of the afflicted Russian jury. Linsky, unfathomed sorrow dwells in the souls of those who realized their Jewishness. while similarly identifying as Russians. It is much easier when one of the two streams of your national consciousness dries up, leaving you only a Jew or only a Russian, thus simplifying your position towards Russia's tragic experience.

The villainous years of the revolution killed the chutes of hope for rapprochement between Jews and Russians that it appeared just before the war. Now we witness active Russo-Jewish divergence. 11. It is our duty to honestly and objectively examine the causes of and the extent of Jewish involvement in the revolution. This might have certain effect on future relations between Russians and Jews. The co-authors of the collection rightly warned Russians not to mix up the meaning of the February revolution and the Jewish involvement in it. Beekerman, if anything, minimized this involvement. the power balance between the executive committee of the Soviet of soldiers and workers,

deputies, and the provisional government was for the most part unclear to contemporaries. However, he thought that after the October Bolshevik coup, quote, the Jewish right to have their Bolsheviks implies a duty to have also their right-wingers and extreme right-wingers, the polar opposites of the Bolsheviks, end quote. Pasmanic. Quote, in all its varieties and forms, Bolshevik communism is an evil and true foe of Jewry, as it is first of all the enemy of personal identity in general and of cultural identity in particular.

Bound by a plethora of intimate connections to our motherland to its political system, economy and culture, we cannot flourish while the country disintegrates around us. Daniel Pesmanuk is an interesting guy. he started off as a Zionist, a follower of Moses Hess specifically, the Poli Zion. Near the end of his life, he became a strong follower of Mussolini. And as far as Russia was concerned, what became a support of the restoration of the monarchy. I don't know at the top of my head if he converted to orthodoxy or not. It'll be weird if he didn't.

but obviously he was a Jew and he just gone farther and farther away from how is this helping us this is such short-term thinking that we're just going to slaughter them and expect nothing to happen well well nothing did happen but Zionists were always just a double-edged sword you know you're not supposed to have a separate ethnic element within ethnicity was supposed to die off, but they're Jews. They're different. So as time went on, as decades went on, he just eventually just said, this is outrageous. He thought that, well, if they're going after the Christians, now they go after the Jews later.

Now, of course, that was never the case. Synagogues did not get burnt down. but in exile. But he just thought that it would be one. I don't think he realized the depth of the Jewish involvement in Bolivism. I guess it was a true foe of Jewry only in the sense that there couldn't be a Jewish ethnicity, separate from the rest of the USSR, at least in his mind at the time. I mean, you know, there had to have been a Jewish point of view that said, okay, the Jews were doing extremely well prior to the war.

We know this. Or say prior to 1905, all this revolutionary stuff got us nothing but constant conflict, which had to have hurt our merchant interests. but then as time went on he just he just he just he just rejected the entire concept said no this isn't going to work and of course design is wanting to get out of the country

at least at a certain point impossible this era and then in fact that he became a national socialist of a type and a royalist in exile suggested that he just made the entire

ideological shift that he wanted to he didn't Bolshevism was for him properly speaking was the the great evil even if it's 100% Jewish it wasn't quite but it

it you know it does not help us it's going to hurt us people are noticing this how does help us to take private property away from our merchants who've been who've been doing very well in Russia well they They got state positions, usually state positions that they had no right to have.

And so in exile, you know, in exile, weird things happened to you. An exile, nationalism starts to develop far more strongly than within the country. And he started to miss the era prior to 1905, that things were getting better under Alexander III because he did have the revolutionary movement very much under his thumb. Now remember also, as this is going on, the country was disintegrating. You did not have the monolithic USSR you had under Stalin and Krushchev. As I've said before, you've had uprisings all over the country, everywhere. A lot of them having to do with the church, a lot of them having to do with the cancel a eventual eventual cancellation of the NEP.

that NEP didn't last very long. And then later, later on, collectivization, it never quite ended. And so the Jews were confined to a few places in the cities. I'm going to go out on a limb and I'm going to say at the time he wrote these lines. Most people who knew anything about Russia would say that the Bolsheviks were not going to last. not with these kind of policies. World War II, of course, solidified the Soviet Union in existence. But with all of the uprisings and the ethnic problems, it was – and plus, you know, the rise of Hitler in the early 30s,

you know, Jews were starting to wonder. The fact that he uses words like Motherland and everything else, his political system. He's talking about the earlier political system. An objective outside observer at this time looks like the Bolshek Empire is falling apart. And how can that be good for anybody, Jews or otherwise? And I think that's his point here. Air Grid, operator of Ireland's electricity grid,

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12 month minimum terms, standard pricing thereafter, TV and broadband sold separately. Terms apply for more infoosies sky.a slash speeds. Obviously, these authors were fully aware of the significance of the Russian catastrophe. In describing those years, I heavily relied on the work of these people with the hope that they're bitter, but not at all self-hating reflections can finally be understood and comprehended in their entirety. He's trying to be fair, and it's a good thing. You know, we know, and he's told us that the Jews dominated Bolshevism, the left since the middle of the 19th century.

There's no doubt about it. But it would be wrong to not mention those Jews who, for whatever reason, saw it as a problem. he's trying to be fair here. Their 1923 proclamation stated, quote, the National Union of Russian Jews abroad firmly believes that the Bolsheviks epitomized the greatest evil for the Jews as well as for all other peoples of Russia. It is time for the Jew to stop to stop tremble at the thought of going against a revolution. Rather, the Jews should fear against his motherland, Russia, and his people Jewish. However, the authors of Russia and the Jews saw the Jewish national consciousness of the early 1920s as something very different from what they've thought

it should have been. Quote, among almost all circles and classes of Russian society are now engaged in grievous self-reflections, trying to comprehend what has happened. Whether these self-accusations and admissions of guilt are fair or not, they at least reveal the work of thought, conscience, and aching hearts. But it would be no exaggeration to claim to such spiritual work as the least. least noticeable among the Jewish intelligentsia, which is no doubt a symptom of certain morbidity. For an outsider, it appears that a typical Jewish intellectual has no concerns.

End quote. For this intellectual, quote, everyone else is to blame. The government, the generals, the peasants, etc. He has nothing to do with all this. In no way did he forge his own destiny and the destinies of those around him. He is just a passerby, hit on the head by a falling brick. So they were complicit in destroying the world around them, but after it was finished, they became unaware of their role in it.

So you see, he's already starting to, this isn't, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is Pasmanic here. This isn't Jolzhenitsen, at least most of that, that last paragraph. And he fully admits, Jews seem to have this pathological inability to reflect on themselves and to to objectively look at their own behavior. They can't. We know that's true. They can't.

They can't be responsibility for anything. They can't admit wrongdoing. It's like Fonzie. They can't do it. And if anything happens, they're going to blame everyone around them. Lenin blamed foreign powers in foreign intelligence penetrating. the USSR, which is hilarious since these foreign powers were building the USSR at the time. I'll repeat myself here. You didn't have a lot of native engineers, skilled labor. You had some,

but these guys were either dead in exile, in prison, or misused somehow. There was, Russia was a more or less industrialized power by 1914 but that was gone. Much of that was destroyed. Much of that was just left to rot at this point.

But after the war, you're talking about massive losses in World War I. More in the Civil War and then now in these uprisings Jews at the center of every last one of them the only way that they were going to build anything was from the West. In fact, it got so bad that Stalin, I have to go look up where he said this, he started to worry about

Soviet independence, that the first or second five-year plan was so based on Western investment that how much of this is Soviet. And on top of all that, Soviet college students were then being educated in Britain, in Germany, in France and the U.S. to come back and be engineers. But that didn't stop the flight up until the end of the Soviet Union. There was, you know, the computer industry, everything. There was no part of the USSR, industrially speaking, from electricity to mining to oil to the scientific organization of the camps

that was not created by Western capital. I said this before. People love Henry Ford, but he built the largest. four plant in the world right in carcoff in solon's era and the entire soviet automotive industry came from that came from those those those uh that four plant so you know when they want to blame foreign powers it makes me laugh you but that that was their public they would say that in public we're surrounded by enemies we're communists well the capitalist hate us they want to destroy us typical do is they the same thing in the kahals

system. In the khal, they kept poor Jews in line by saying that if you were to leave the khal, these animalistic goyem, they'll kill you. Everyone's an anti-Semite. They hate you. And they used the pogromes. They used whatever they could. But the last thing they would do is to possibly look at themselves as the cause of these problems. The literature after the revolution, especially, in exile is massive and very little of it translated. I've been through a chunk of it over the years it takes forever to go through and it's some first-rate political theory. This is what happens when your country has fallen apart and a group of Jews takes it over. So, but the only problem was, yeah, Jews were writing on it too, except they were taking zero responsibility for any of the bad things that were happening there. The only thing they cared about was whether they looked good or look bad in the public arena. Jewish Bolsheviks was a particular pain for the authors.

A sin that carries the seed of its own nemesis. What greater affliction is there for a people than to see its sons debouched? It is not just that the Russian upheaval needed people of a certain sort for its perpetuation or that the Jewish society provided this sort of people. What is most important is that they were not rebuffed, did not meet enough opposition from within their own society. It is our duty to shoulder the struggles specifically against the Jewish Bolsheviks, against all kinds of Yev sects, the Jewish section, the name given to officials appointed by the Soviets to deal with Jewish affairs, and against Jewish commissars in general, end quote. Wait a minute here. Now, this is a huge statement from Pazmanic here. talking about this pathological issue with the Jews, part of the reason for it is that they did not meet enough opposition from within their own society.

He's talking about within Judaism as well as within Russia. In other words, Russians should have been tearing them apart in the newspapers. To be publishing, this is what the Jews are. Maybe that could have helped just a little bit. But, you know, he's well aware of the Jewish mentality that you say one bad thing about him. It's not a Shoah or another pogrom. And that's exactly how they were defining pogroms when Lenin first took over. Now, I always laugh at these Jewish sections or Jewish affairs as if Bolshevism was not overwhelmingly a Jewish operation as such.

And when they carved out their own state, which I think we'll talk about in here under Stalin and a bit of bism done, I remember I wrote a lengthy paper on that and I said I said you know even within a highly Jewish Soviet Union you still because they weren't completely in charge were disgusted and had to leave and had to go somewhere else I guess the same thing for Israel too somewhere where there be no goy him around another barrel Bizdon thing we'll talk about another time but for some reason, Pasmanic is not afflicted with this pathology. But he's coming straight out and saying if you Gentiles had been more forthright

and, you know, didn't hide. You know, like Michael Hoffman, one of my favorite authors, always says, this is being aimed to everybody, but also to Jews. Free yourself from the shackles of the Talmud. It does not help anybody, including you. And that's exactly what he's saying here. From within their own society, that includes not just Jewish society as such, but mostly Russia as an entity. Yeah, of course, you had anti-Jewish stuff all over the place.

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From the pages of the Jewish Tribune, quote, if Bolshevism was swept from power in Russia by a wave of popular wrath, jury might be held, in the eyes of the masses, responsible for prolonging Bolshevism's lifespan. Only active participation in the struggle

to liquidate Bolshevism can secure Jews a safe position in the common cause of saving Russia. Now, that's interesting, because it sounds to, me that he's only really talking about public relations that if the Jews come in and turn on the Bolsheviks, you know, which of course were many, mostly Jews, and dethrone them, this is very Machiavellian, and to throne them, they're going to be seen as a savior element.

Then they can have a safe position in the common cause within Russia itself. That seems to be, I could be wrong, but I see, I think that's what he's saying. here. But that was not the majority Jewish opinion at the time. Beekerman warned, if we support the Bolsheviks, quote, on the principle that your own shirt is closer to the body, then we should not forget that we thus allow the Russian to take care of his own shirt that is closer to his body, that it justifies the call, slaughter Yids, save Russia. What the hell does that mean? oh well

what of the jewish attitudes towards the white army quote this unworthy attitude that jews have towards people who have taken upon their shoulders the endlessly difficult task of fighting for russia for the millions of the sheepish and weak-willed sheepish and weak-willed points out to the complete moral disintegration to a sort of perversion of mind while all of us jubesians Jews and non-Jews alike, placed ourselves obediently under the communist yoke and our backs under the whip.

There were some Russians, courageous and proud, who overcame all obstacles, gathered from what remained to the breach, and ripped apart fronts of World War I, consolidated and raised the banner of resistance. Just that they were willing to fight under these circumstances alone, immortalizes them for the history. And these people became an object for abuse. on the side of so many Jews, libeled by every loquacious tongue. So instead of appreciation, the tragedy,

so instead of appreciating the tragedy, we see epidemic mindlessness, endless laxity of speech, and triumphant superficiality. And yet, the Russian for which the whites fought is not alien to us. It is our shirt, too. Jury should have fought for the white cause

as for the cause of Jewish salvation, for only in the restoration and swift rescue of Russian statehood can Jews find salvation from that death that has never been as close as in these days. All right. I think we have a big translation problem here. I don't have access to the original, well, I do as far as Solzhenitsyn goes, but not the actual original author. I don't think that they just sheepishly obey, you know, fought for the Bolsheviks.

So they saw the Bolsheviks as a kindred spirit. They were almost one in the same. You know, it was very much a Jewish ethnic movement, especially at the time. But the handful of Jews that were willing to fight for the white army. And, you know, he doesn't say the monarchy here. This is still Pasmatic. Now, later on he would. But at this point, you know, Russian statehood, what are he talking about after the February

revolution? the Kerenzky regime that was heavily Jewish as well I'm not sure really he doesn't say it I have been a long time since I've come across his stuff but certainly the Jewish Bolsheviks you know slaughtered any Jew

that came from you know POW from the white army and there were a few for this very reason there were they were a handful you know for the most part they were either in exile, supporting another faction of the Marxists, like the Petersburg Soviet or going back a decade or so.

They certainly weren't politically neutral. They knew exactly what they were doing. So, Pasmanic is exaggerating here. But the white cause. Well, the white, what is the white? There were numerous white armies. Some were royalists, some weren't. Some fought for something that that constituent assembly, which almost became a totem in their minds.

There's Cornelov and people like that, but Capelle and Dietrich, who were strict monarchists. Now, later on in his life, he will become a monarchist, and he will say that people like Capelle and Dietrich had it right. And that is the cause of Russian statehood that I'm talking about. But in this period of time, I'm not sure what he means. Death was indeed approaching, although from another direction. Who would deny these conclusions today after decades of Soviet regime? But at that time, only few authors, Jewish or Russian, could see so far ahead. The Jewish emigrant community as a whole rejected these thoughts, and thus they had failed to the test of history.

It might be objected that it did not cause jury a noticeable significant harm, and certainly it was not the Holocaust brought by Hitlerism. Yes, it did not bring commasurable physical harm, but historically its spiritual harm was noticeable. Take, for instance, the success of Bolshevism and the expulsion of the Jewish religion from the country where it had once deeply spread its sacred roots, and there was more, the Jews, by betting on Bolshevism, influenced the overall course of events in Europe. I think he's wrong at a few levels here. Even though I'm sympathetic with him, I think we all are, especially, you know, given the community that he's coming from,

he took a lot of crap, especially with that proclamation. But they weren't betting on Bolshevism. They believed in it. They vaguely understood what it was. or they in detail understood what it was. Now, part of the part of the thing that the Pasmannock is saying is that there has to be a reaction here somewhere. It just can't keep going.

Oh, there will be a reaction. It won't be in Russia, though. It'll be in Germany. Where by the time Hitler had had taken power, you already had two chunks of Germany already with called People's Republics. The country was being partitioned already. And those two people's republics, one in the north, Cologne and the other one in Bavaria, were heavily Jewish.

That's all he had to do was point to these places, or Hungary back in 1919, which is exclusively Jewish. How is this a coincidence? Jews are 2% of the population, 3% of the population of Hungary, maybe a little bit more. And the entire red takeover in the bellocoon is Judaic. Well, I know we've mentioned that many times. I have a paper on that. It's just so striking to me. The same thing goes for Bavaria.

You know, Hitler was elected at a time of such immense crisis, including the actual partition of his own country. Yes, of course, it's going to be a reaction. Yeah, there's going to be a reaction. And Jews need to look at themselves and say, well, the rise of this reaction, action, whether it be in Germany or anywhere else, it's your own damn fault. You just went bonkers with power. You didn't help anyone but yourselves. And you wonder why people hate you. I know why people hate you. The authors of the Russian, the authors of the Russia and the Jews appealed in vain.

Quote, in the many centuries of Jewish dispersion, there has not been a political catastrophe as deeply threatening to our national existence as the breaking of the Russian power, for never have the vital forces of the Jewish people been as united as in the bygone living Russia. Even the breakup of the caliphate can scarcely compare with the current disaster. Yeah. I love that they admit that. I love when they admit that openly. He's not being subtle.

For the United Russian jury, the breakup of Russia, into separate sovereign states is a national calamity. If there is no place for the Jews in the great spaces of the Russian land, in the boundlessness of the Russian soul, then there is no space for Jews anywhere in the world. Woe to us if we do not wise up, end quote. Well, there was something to that, of course. He's talking about the Khazar Empire,

which, like in all places, made themselves hated wherever they went. Even in Western Europe, I have so many papers on this. Some of the saints of Western Europe say that there are savages over there. Gog and Magog used to be applied to them in the early Middle Ages, among the saints in Aquitaine in southern France, which is Greek speaking. Now, so for those who don't know, of course, he's referring to Gazarium. that's hard for Jews to admit. I don't know why.

I think that's another translation problem, the Caliphate. Yeah, it was a Turkic... Is he not referring to Spain? It's, well, oh, oh, you mean, and then the takeover, then they're expulsion. That's very possible, too. Yeah.

That's very possible, too. Caliphate is it would be... I don't know what the original Russian is. but the Khalifit, it could refer to either one. But if he is referring to the Spanish thing, yeah, yeah, they're certainly, you know, equal in, as far as disaster is concerned. But, you know, initially he tried to explain to Jews that from his opposition to Bolshevism comes from his Jewish nationalism. And it didn't go very far. Yeah, you know, Russia under the Tsars was united.

It was prosperous, especially from the middle to the end of the 19th century, beginning of the 20th century. Other than battles with the Turks, it was fairly peaceful, especially in the central regions. Now, identifying with Russia, I mean, Russian culture is the Orthodox Church. So it's odd to make reference as it due to Russian culture is this wonderful thing, because every aspect of it, especially. back then, even the letters in the alphabet, not so much anymore, but had a religious meaning from the clothing to the rituals, everything else.

Not church rituals, I mean rituals at the home, read a Domestroy and books like that. But this is what exile does. How is this is better than what we had under Alexander III. Now he hasn't mentioned pogroms yet. I think he might know the truth about the matter. As we've said many times before, and for the uninitiated, pogroms were often started by armed Jewish factions, just as many Russians were killed as Jews were.

And they usually took, you know, on the Russian side, they took place after outrageous Jewish behavior, murders of local officials, or of course, even of Alexander II, by a very Jewish leftist organization. He hasn't mentioned that yet. And I have the feeling that other Jews were mentioning, would mention that to him. But it isn't as if, you know, they saw ordinary Jews, even in exile, saw Russia as this backward state of Goyim, the old Rome or the new Rome, Rome, period, that had to go. And Nicholas II had to go.

I think that that would be the majority opinion. And he's coming here saying that, well, even if there was no conversion to orthodoxy, we did very well under the czar's and stopped trying to pretend we didn't. I think we should stop right here because he's, with the of course it looks like he's changing uh changing themes here not not really changing themes but there's a different uh a different tenor going forward at this point okay so yeah well we're almost at yeah we're almost at an hour all right so all right as i do at the end of every episode go over to the show notes go over to the description in the video donate to dr johnson's work

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