The Pete Quiñones Show - Reading Solzhenitsyn's '200 Years Together' w/ Dr Matthew Raphael Johnson - Part 80

Episode Date: October 18, 2025

43 MinutesPG-13Dr. Matthew Raphael Johnson is a researcher, writer, and former professor of history and political science, specializing in Russian history and political ideology.Pete and Dr. Johnson continue a project in which Pete reads Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's '200 Years Together," and Dr' Johnson provides commentary.Dr Johnson's PatreonDr Johnson's CashApp - $Raphael71RusJournal.orgTHE ORTHODOX NATIONALISTDr. Johnson's Radio Albion PageDr. Johnson's Books on AmazonDr. Johnson's Pogroms ArticleThe Unmentionable Genocide: New Khazaria, the Russian Revolutions and Soviet Legality in the 1920s by Dr. Matthew Raphael JohnsonWith Friends Like These. . . Patriarch St. Tikhon, General Anton Denikin and the Defeat of the White Armies, 1917-1922 by Dr. Matthew Raphael JohnsonThe Orthodox Nationalist: Karl Marx “On the Jewish Question” (1844)Pete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's SubstackPete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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Dr. Johnson, how are you doing today? We have a big announcement for next month, Radio Albion. I can't give details right now, but it's very exciting. It's triumphant, it's extraordinary, and I could give your listeners more details over the next few weeks, but it's very, very exciting. Awesome. I look forward to hearing about it. I have a guess, but I'll probably, I never guessed, right? Yeah. I thought maybe it could be guessed. Yeah.

But, you know, I love how they're covering the Hamas thing. You know, these are people who have been tried, you know, Mossad has been trying to infiltrate, you know, Hamas. for years. They've succeeded in many, in many, uh, time. They finally caught a couple of them and they shot them. And then the media reports are they're shooting random people in the street. Or public executions as if without any context or any understanding. You know, uh, it should be, it should, but the very fact that Israel has to leave, Hamas gets to stay. Well, gets who, guess who won that war? Yeah. The, uh,

Yeah, I'm not even going to talk about it. Hell, we'll, it's just something to watch until, I assume we're all expecting Israel to renege on this and just go back to being Israel. Of course. But, you know, they are in a lot of trouble. They have high desertion rates. Their economy is in the tank. Iran has flattened so many of their military buildings and institutions. You know, the Rothschilds better come through for them.

You know, they're, they're very deeply in trouble, not to mention the fact that two of his major, those weirdo settler parties have left his coalition, lest I heard. So this is very costly for him, for Netanyahu. All right. We're going to finish up, finish up the chapter we've been reading today. So this may be a little bit of shorter one, but yeah, let's get to it. All right, picking up where we left off last time. The emigres lived in an atmosphere of not just verbal tension. There was a sensational murder trial in Paris in 1927 of a clockmaker, Samuel Schwarzbrard, who lost his whole family.

Is it a what? It sounds like a typical Russian name, right? Yeah, Schwarzbrard. I just I read the first part of that and I just yeah I would change my name for if I were him pretty much change my name what does it mean black something black bard what is what is bard I don't know okay I'm wrong who lost his whole family in the pogroms in Ukraine and who killed pet lura with five bullets investia sympathetically reported on the case and printed Schwartz Bard's portrait.

The defense raised the stakes, claiming that the murder was a justified revenge for Petlora's pogroms. Quote, the defendant wished and felt a duty to raise the issue of anti-Semitism before the world's conscience, end quote. The defense called many witnesses to testify that during the Civil War, Petlora had been personally responsible for pogroms in Ukraine. The prosecution suggested that the murder had been ordered by Cheka. quote, Schwartz Bard, agitated, called out from his place. The witness doesn't want to admit that I acted as a Jew and so claims I'm a Bolshevik, end quote.

Well, that's just redundant. Schwartz Bard was acquitted by the French court. Denneken, a leading white general during the Civil War, was mentioned at that trial, and Schwartzbard's lawyer proclaimed, quote, if you wish to bring Dennegan to trial, I am with you. I would have defended the one who would have taken revenge upon Denikin with the same passionate commitment as I am here defending the man who had taken revenge upon Petlura. End quote. And as Denneken lived in Paris without guards, anyone wishing to take revenge upon him had an open road.

However, Denikin was never put on trial. A similar murder happened later in Moscow in 1929. when Lazar Kolenberg shot the former white general Schlashev, who after the civil war returned to Russia and served in Soviet military, for doing nothing to stop pogroms in Nikolaev. Quote, during the investigation, the accused was found to be mentally incompetent to stand trial and released, end quote. During Schwarzbard's trial, the prosecutors were parallel to another notorious case, that of Boris Kovreda, for Petlura had previously lived in Poland, but, quote, you, speaking for

Schwarzbard, did not attempt to kill him there, as you knew that in Poland you would be tried by military tribunal. End quote. In 1929, a young man Boris Kovirda also, quote, wishing to present a problem before the world's conscience, had killed the Bolshevik sadist Voikov. He was sentenced to 10 in jail and served his full term. Right. That shouldn't shock anybody. That last bit shouldn't shock anybody. Remember, a few months ago, we talked about all of the leftist terrorists who were not

repatriated to Russia before World War I began. Clearly, you know, letting everyone know what side. That was also in France, actually. as much as I dislike Petlure in the directory I think he destroyed whatever chance Ukraine had for a normal existence at the time we've been through this about his complete rejection of the

pogroms became anything that the Jews found inconvenient I don't believe him for too you know his whole family had been killed in in in programs i don't i don't want to believe that either um somehow that was enough of an excuse to justify it however the bolshevikov who i've forgotten about actually to be honest with you but he was well known at the time as a lunatic uh killing him where that was out of the question the soviet union is a wave of the future um the fact that he was acquitted this has happened

several times since before and since, even within Russia itself, that murderers get released by a sympathetic jury. I assume it was a jury in this case. But pogroms had just become the Jewish identity. It had become core Jewish religion, despite the fact, again, I hate repeating myself, but I don't know, maybe there's new people listening here.

programs are largely largely mythology the times where it actually did occur it occurred for good reason the Jews were terrorists before World War I especially as we just we talked about in 1905 1906 attempted revolution we also talked to me it's um and then to bring up the Nican I I I cannot, he was either head of the White Army for a while near the end. So the pogroms being mythical or occurring for a good reason. Remember, the Jews in Russia, they were armed, they were well organized. They weren't just sitting there studying Talmud. You know, pogroms occurred.

No other minority ever had this problem. it's just most of the time there were far more Russian bodies than Jewish bodies at the end of any kind of conflict in a program the way the Jews defined it in the very early era of the Soviet Union was any name calling or anything like that and my article on

I have to send it to you my name call my article on the legislation the Leninist legislation against anti-Semi even mentions it. It's just, they just flipped out at the tiniest little thing. And they realized, and Lenin said it over and over again. Anti-Semitism just means anti-Soviet. Anti-Soviet means anti-Semitic. That's as close as you're going to get to a full admission of what the Bolshevik

movement was. That's why they were so vehemently opposed to it. There were some left-wing anti-Semites. It did make sense. But that was cost. You know, ideological uniformity was very important to the Bolsheviks. But I don't know what he means, the Nikolaev issue. I don't know, white general Slashiv. I don't know who that is.

And then he returned and served in a Soviet military. And yet he was found to be military mentally incompetent. Was that PTSD? I don't know what's going on here. But anybody who served in the White Army was by definition an anti-Semitic and should be killed for that reason alone. And yet, Coberda, he does something similar, at least as Schwarzwart did, and he gets sentenced to 10 years. And there were many other examples of this. throughout Europe at the time.

You know, how they define a program is pretty laughable since so many of the Bolsheviks, the mid-level, high level, even at the lower level of the red movement in what used to be Russia or Jews, any opposition to them would be conceived as an anti-Semitic act. and I think Lenin came very close to admitting it by that slogan that he said over and over again anti-Sovietic, anti-Semitic, anti-Semitic means anti-Soviet. And he said it, you know, Trotsky said it,

most of the leadership in the Soviet Union said it. Early Soviet Union said it at the time. And those anti-Semitic laws that Lenin laid down lasted right up until, almost right up until the end. Ready for huge savings? Well, mark your calendars from November 28 to 30th, Because the Liddle Newbridge Warehouse Sale is back. We're talking thousands of your favourite Liddle items, all reduced to clear.

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Such was the hostility, and not just in Warsaw. Russian emigrees all over Europe were flattened by scarcity, poverty, hardship, and they quickly tired of the showdown over who is more to blame. Anti-Jewish sentiments among them abated in the second half of the 1920s. During these years, Vasili Shulgin wrote, Are not our visa ordeals remarkably similar to the oppression experienced by Jews in the palest settlement? Yeah, they're identical. Art Arnansen passports, these are internationally recognized identification cards,

first issued by the League of Nations to stateless refugees, which are a sort of wolf ticket obstructing movement reminiscent of the Jewish religion label, which we stamped in Jewish passports in Russia, thereby closing many doors to them. Do we not resort to all kinds of middleman jobs when we are unable to attain because of our particular position,

a civil servant post, or a certain profession? Are we not gradually learning to work around laws that are inconvenient to us, precisely as Jews did with our laws and for which we criticize them? Oh, he's so profound. Oh, he's playing on my heartstrings here. You know, it's bizarre that an Irishman, Anglo-Irishman in America in 2025 knows far more about Russian history than Vasili Shulgin does.

Again, we've been through this many times before. They were a Jews in imperial Russia. throughout the 19th century were a privileged minority. All the attempts to subsidize, they're trying to get him on the land. And in return, they get nothing but contempt and criminality. Jews were not going to take the jobs that he's talking about. They certainly weren't going to support the Goy monarchy, the Goy monarchy. with capital letters, the Igoy monarchy, it was the last thing they were going to do.

And when they claimed to be, I don't know, you know, carpenters or something like that, they were lying. So this is just, you know, it's bad history and it's not logical. They're playing, he's playing on heartstrings here. No, they're not the same. They don't come close to being the same. And I don't seem to recall Jews, in exile, whether it be prior to the revolution or even after it being impoverished or suffering like this.

It seems to be the whites. The whites. I'm sorry. Not to mention, I mean, if this was happening in Poland, I mean, I would assume that a lot of the people who were doing this to them were Jewish. And throughout Europe, who had gotten out and who had gotten out of Russia or who were, you know, had been in Germany or been in Europe for a couple centuries, and they were in charge. And they were just paying them back as they could.

Does that make, is that possible? Yeah, rephrase that. What do you mean? I mean, they're saying that Russians would, were being denied, were being denied, like, working in the state, working, you know, getting good jobs. So they had to resort to middlemen thing. they were being treated just like Jews were being treated. Well, I mean, is it possible that it was Jews in charge who were, you know, treating them that way?

It is more than possible. Absolutely is the case. But Shulgin doesn't know that. I'm always suspicious when you hear a guy like him, and I've read Shulgin before, that he's in debt to one of them. This happened in Russia with all, remember all the commissions we used to laugh about? one after another. So many of these Gentiles and these commissions were like to make the Churchill family deeply in debt to Jewish moneylenders.

And Tostoevsky wrote a great, one of my favorite novels, The Gambler, which took place, of course, abroad. And Russians had a propensity to it. They really did. And I'm just wondering if sometimes they get in a little bit over their heads. and so where do you go? And this kind of nonsense, this a historical nonsense, maybe it comes from that. But no, no, if you were in the room with me today, I would slap them, and I would say, no, they're not even remotely similar. Yet during these same years, anti-Jewish sentiments were on the rise in the USSR and were even reported in the Soviet press causing distress among Jewish emigrares.

So in May 1928, a public debate on anti-Semitism was organized in Paris among them. A report of it was placed in Milikov's newspaper. Beekermann's and Pazmanix group already non-active did not participate. Remember, Beekman and Palsmanic, they were Jews who almost but not quite converted away from it. And they thought that at least to some extent the Jews had dug their own brave in that regard. So just people who hadn't, who haven't heard previous episodes, that's what those two are. The formal reason for the debate was a strong rise of Judeophobia in Russia, a phenomenon that periodically occurs there. The socialist revolutionary N.D. of Afkentiev chaired the debate,

and there were more Russians than Jews among the public. Mark Sloanum explained that, quote, the long-oppressed Russian jury, having finally attained freedom, has dashed to secure formerly prohibited positions, and this annoys Russians. Quote, in essence, the past fatefully determined the present. Bad things of the past, Zaris Times, resulted in bad consequences. S. Ivanovich stated that Jews were now tormented in the USSR because it has become impossible to torment the bourgeois thanks to the NEP.

But what is worrying is that the Russian intelligency in the USSR, although neutral on the Jewish question, now takes the liberty to think, good. It will begin with anti-Semitism and lead to the Russian freedom. What a dangerous and foolish illusion. It's really hard to, when something is uttered so opposite of the truth, it just, you have to, you have to go way back and explain how awful this is. The public will take three hours. They denies Russian. This is a completely different system. Prohibitive positions, Jews were rewarded. They were developing, you know, the NEP was, you know, the Jews dominated the NEP.

That's true. But war communism and then what had to be. happened after the NEP, the command economy functioned. So if you were a sugar, a sugar mill owner in Ukraine, for example, you just became a commissar there. If you were Jewish, generally speaking. You talked about that with a gold mine and that, that group, Ginsburg, since it really didn't have very many technically able people. Jews were just sent anyone. anywhere there. So he's also claiming that, well, it's it's it's it's communists who are doing this.

Like the Jews don't dominate the Communist Party. And the NEP was very Jewish. And the intelligency in the USSR is not what's not neutral on Jewish question whatsoever. There's every every syllable that this guy writes is is incorrect. It's really hard to you'd have to take it apart bit by bit. and it's just the fact that he would talk about consequences

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Quote, there is no reason to distinguish Soviet anti-Semitism from the anti-Semitism of old Russia. That is to say there is still the same black hundredism so dear to Russian hearts. Quote, this is not a Jewish question, but a Russian one, a question of Russian culture. But if it is so quintessentially Russian, entirely Russian, inherently Russian problem, then what can be done? What need then for a mutual dialogue? Well, yeah, there isn't. They go to prison. And that's a exactly how it was how it was seen. Grossman is just as bad as all the others.

He can't compute that the Jews who were running, so many elements of the USSR at the time, were tormenting everybody. And that's why you had some name calling at a factory. Later on gets called the program. In my paper on the legislation, I go through all these examples in detail. a Russian Jew who's a difficult employee who gets moved to a different area or who gets fired or whatever. That's itself almost a pogrom. And then later on it gets exaggerated and exaggerated and exaggerated over the years. They have no conception of consequences to any of their actions.

In other words, what this Grossman seems to be saying is being anti-Jewishu, is built into the Russian DNA. And hence, the only thing you could do is eliminate them. I'm not sure. I mean, I think he's thinking that in the back of his mind. You can't get rid of it if it's that inherent. Therefore, you eliminate them. And I think that was the point of view of the early Soviet Union, too. The author of the debate report, S. Latovsev, regretted post-factum that it was necessary to find for the debate, quote, several honest people, brave enough to acknowledge their anti-Semitism and frankly explain why they are anti-Semites, who would say simply, without evasiveness, I don't like this and that about Jews.

Alongside, there should have been several equally candid Jews who would say, and we don't like this and that about you. Rest assured, such an honest and open exchange of opinions with goodwill and a desire for mutual comprehension would be really beneficial for both Jews and Russians and for Russia. This was simply a monologue. This is how Jews began to believe their twisted view of the world was correct. I have a conference. There's people from different organizations all saying the same things.

Therefore, it has to be true. It's kind of like American academics now. They don't have access to our material through censorship, through fear. And so they only know us through. caricature. It's like a Jew reading the New York Times on Sunday morning, which is a completely Jewish paper, getting the Jewish ideology read back to him as news, as fact. Of course, they weren't going to have anybody on this that was anti-Judaic.

There was no chance of it. There were probably hundreds of thousands who could fit the bill and probably could destroy them and debate very easily, saying, here's what you're doing over there. Hence, maybe this is why we don't like you. So, you know, it's dishonest, but this is typically how Jews work. And of course, they were doing far better than the ex-white officers were in exile. Even the rest of Orthodox Church outside of Russia, which started off in Yugoslavia. That's where I got the name, Kualahti Synod.

And then there was a little bit of money there, but not much. and that's probably your best. They were the best off. Every once in a while you'd find a Russian monarchist with money, who would support, who'd buy a church, who'd buy this, who'd buy that. But that's about it. Jews were far more organized

since they'd been in exile anyway, at least in their own minds. They'd been in exile for a long time in Europe, and they had all their networks mapped out. So they weren't suffering at all, one way or the other. Shulgin replied to this, quote, Now among Russian emigrees, surely one needs more bravery to declare oneself a phylo-semit, end quote.

He extended his whole answer into a book, inserting Latofsev's question into the title, What We Don't Like About Them. Shulgin's book was regarded as anti-Semitic and the proposed inter-exchange of views never took place. Anyway, the impending catastrophe. coming from Germany soon took the issue of any debate off the table. That was still, I mean, catastrophe, I think we know what we're talking about, but that was still far into the future. I'm assuming this is still in the 1920s. 1928, I'm looking at the, I'm looking at the end notes and this is all happening in 1928.

Yeah, 28. So you still had a few more years. But what was the fundamental concern of the national socialists with Jews? Is that they were in charge of the Soviet Union, which is a very rational position to take. And what did Jews do when they have this stupid ideology? They destroy as many Gentiles as they can, and they were. This is why. This is why the Bolshevik Party was very much an ethnic party.

and they were the only ones that had the guts to say it. Even Belsolini was not anti-Semitic. You know, he was, he wasn't a deep thinker. I'm not a big fan of his, but even Francisco Franco, as much as I love him, he wasn't. He was kind of all over the place on that. But national socialism then brought up a very, very different point of view. there is this third way. We have failing capitalism in the West, this, you know,

and of course, in the Depression, or the beginning or the very beginning of the and then failing or very harsh unlivable Marxism in the Soviet Union. There's only two choices? No, there is a third way, and that third way was national socialism. A union of Russian Jewish intelligentsia was created in Paris as if in the attempt to preserve a link between the two cultures. Yet it soon transpired that, quote, life and exile had created a chasm between fathers and sons, and the latter no longer understood what a Russian Jewish intelligentsia is. So the father sadly acknowledged that, quote, the Russian Jews who used to lead global Jewry and spiritual art and in the nation, building, now virtually quit the stage.

Before the war, the union had managed to publish only the first issue of collection Jewish world. During the war, those who could fled across the ocean and untiringly created the Union of Russian Jews in New York City and published the second issue of the Jewish world. In the 1960s, they published the book of Russian Jewry in two volumes about pre- and post-revolutionary Jewish life in Russia. The bygone life and the bygone Russia still attracted their minds. The big difference between the Jewish diaspora and the Russian one, especially when they got to America, was that Jews learned the language. They did speak German. They did speak French. They did speak English. And this book, among others, became the standard. This was how, I guess this was how

Jews were treated under the Tsars, et cetera. While the church outside Russia and the military union and everything else, they spoke Russian, very fearful of outsiders, for good reason. They still are. You know, the old-timers still are. I've experienced that myself. Not knowing who you are, you have to prove yourself, as I did when I was in grad school. That was among Ukrainians, but the same idea.

Jews were propagandists. They were almost natural propaganda. They were natural salesmen. It took a long time for the Russian emigre group to learn English. And it wasn't going to do that long ago that it started. And still, to this day, a fraction of their writings have been translated into English. One sentence left. In this work, I cite all these books with gratitude.

and respect. And that's the end of the chapter. Okay. Well, it'll be a short show. There's always so much to take in here. You know, I speak very quickly. I speak very quickly because I know way too much about these topics. I'm trying to not overload anybody.

Try not to overload myself. I know a lot of these people, personal experience as well as, of course, the academic stuff. and my personal experience is interesting in both Russians and Ukrainians, the old-timers. They're all gone now. But even that first generation of white emigrants, monarchists, they were treated very harshly by their home government. I said this before. there was a huge literary attack on Solzhenitsyn once it became clear what he really was concerning the Jews. Ivan Ely and people like that, they were always being tagged by whatever the relevant intelligence agency was.

There's a long FBI report on on Josephinitin. They didn't trust them. You had too many Marxist academics and journalists who loved the USSR. who were given either were lying or given bad information. And eventually it trickles down. And so they were considered, you know, aliens. They believe in monarchy, really? You know, there was always a deep, and especially the Crimean War was still there.

The propaganda of the Crimean War. and afterwards from the British press and the American press, it continued. We talked about this at great length. The anti-Russian stuff that came out of the American press from 1840s onward, we quoted a few people in England and America was tremendous. That didn't just go away. It's still there. Many people talk about the war between Russia and the U.S. as a new Cold War.

and I laugh condescendingly at them because that's not what it is. There was way too much trade and support of the Soviet Union from the U.S. for that to be the case. There were no sanctions on the Soviet Union throughout most of its life. No, it's a new Crimean war. And that makes the most sense where Russia had to yet again take on almost all of Europe with the exception of Germany. Because, you know, they were not before German unification. but the Prussians, Prussians and Russians always had a positive respect for each other until the bridge for able to manipulate into World War I. So, you know, this isn't something that someone could just, this is why we're full-timers.

Let me put it this way. This stuff just doesn't come. You read a couple of books and you get to know this stuff. This comes from years of writing and discussions and conferences, which I don't go to anymore. and my own personal experience with some of these people. I've ever met Sultan-Eaton, but I knew people who knew them. And then years and years go by, and you start to get settled in your point of view. You learn a little bit of the language.

I could read some of this stuff. And which is what I do on my show. I bring up all these people who haven't been translated yet, especially in Russian, which is very important to do. because these are brilliant men that no one knows even exists outside of very specialized circles, not very specialized hostile circles. But Schultzhenitsyn is being, you know, he's being nice about it. He's clearly implying what I'm saying.

But because Solzhenitin experienced it personally, it's very clear. Even just in the Gulag archipelago, you talk so many of the Jews, so many of the tormentors in that were had Jewish names. That wasn't an accident. That was from personal experience. And we could list out the names if anyone wanted to. It won't change their minds. But that's still, that's not enough. Quoting a few phrases from the Talmud, the same group that everyone quotes.

That's not enough. It requires a long time. It requires a tremendous amount of thought and writing and discussion and criticism and self-criticism. before you can come out with a real rational understanding of these events. And at 53 years old, I think I'm at that point now. And the problem is it leaves me alone. There are a handful like me. A lot of people plagiarize me.

I've spawned an entire cottage industry of people who've come after me, of the Russian royalist stuff, politically speaking, and their relation to the rest of the world. I've talked about, I'm not going to mention anyone, but people know who I mean. And I either am flattered. Sometimes I'm upset because they won't even say a thank you. But this takes a long time to do. This is not a part-time job.

This is not something you can just read in a book. We do read and discuss, but it takes many years of understanding, not to mention the church, the grace that we receive there. The Russian culture was the Orthodox Church. It's almost bizarre to consider Russian culture without it. I guess it would just be the language. But even there, the language was purified by the Soviets, a little different than it was in the pre-revolutionary era. But still, what is Russian culture without the church? It's nothing.

It's a slogan that you can use in your political theory paper, Jewish world. news all right well when we come back the next episode we'll be starting chapter 18 called in the 1920s which as you've already i think you've said um most of this past chapter was in the 1920s so so in other words this is tremendous detail here you guys people who are listening to this you guys know far more in the russian specialist at the closest university university about Russia in this period of time. I guarantee it. Unless they're really quiet about it, which I doubt, this is filling in so many gaps in people's minds. And Solzhenitin being Solzhenitsyn, you know, you have to take him seriously. You can't ignore him. So, yeah,

this is highly detailed. It wasn't earlier, like for medieval Russia, we weren't there for that long. But 20s, this is a huge, this is an earth shattering. The world was never the same again. This is a world-changing event, obviously speaking. You know, and Russia, as always, was at the center of the world. And now it's at the center of the world yet again because this is being repudiated. Although sometimes I worry about Putin with the World War II stuff. It irritates me to no end with that patriotic.

war stuff, but I guess I understand it. I don't like it. But the same Crimean War mentality exists even today against him and people think that Russia are going to be invading Wyoming tomorrow unless we give trillions of dollars to Ukraine. I wish I was joking about that. Yeah, this is the time that Nulte wrote about and said basically this is the European Civil War and the reason why you're having a European civil war is because Bolshevism won in Russia. Bolshevism took over Russia. And then you had... It's one of the biggest factors.

Yeah, it's not the biggest factor because, you know, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, everything in the third world, the 1960s. You had communist and anti-communist, a Soviet involvement, U.S. involvement in response to it. It affected everything. And not to mention, the 20s were this period where no one was quite sure they were going to stay in power. And, you know, that was, it took a little while for people to realize that. You know, some of the Russian emigrates did think they were going home after a while. How could they possibly function like this? They're putting incompetence in positions of power.

Russia used to feed the world. And now they're starving. How long would that possibly last? I suppose you can't starve if you're in a gulag or dead. All righty. As we do at the end of every episode, go over to the show notes. I have links to how you can support Dr. Johnson's work, the descriptions of the videos as well. So please go do that.

And we'll be back in a couple days with a new chapter, Chapter 18. And as always, thank you so much, Dr. Johnson. Really appreciate everything you do. No, thank you. I appreciate you. And it's been a wonderful time so far. Painful, but wonderful. It's not over.

Take care now. That's right. That's right. All right, man. See you.