The Pete Quiñones Show - The Complete Tim Kelly Episodes (So Far)

Episode Date: April 1, 2025

6 Hours and 33 MinutesThese are the complete appearances by Tim Kelly of the Our Interesting Times podcast on Pete's show (so far).Our Interesting Times podcastPete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's Substack Pete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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I want to welcome everyone back to the Pete Cignon-as show. I am here with Tim Kelly. How are you doing, Tim? Very well, thank you. Why don't you tell everybody a little bit about yourself? Well, much as that can be revealed. Yeah. I live on the eastern seaport of the United States.

born and bred American. I have many children married, many children, one wife. I guess as of August, only two car payments and a mortgage. Do you have a podcast? Oh, that too. Yes, I have a job, which actually puts food on the table and keeps a roof over their heads. But on my free time, I do, we have a program. It's called Our Interesting Times.

I've been doing it for, oh, let's see. Wow, seven years. Did I have that right? Seven years? And I also do a weekly program with Joe Atwell. And we usually just discuss sometimes we pick a topic or wherever the conversation goes or we just discuss the news of the day. Lately, in the past couple of years, it's been very topical or timely because of the fast-paced of events

the past, you know, 24, 26 months. So a lot of vaccine talk and World Economic Forum talk and all that stuff, you know. Well, the first time I ever heard E. Michael Jones on a podcast was on your show. Oh, really? Okay. Yeah. I had, I had the pleasure of having him on recently. Yeah, listen to that show. It was good. It's a very good show. Yeah, that was a lot of fun. I've had to answer a lot of questions about that one. And then, like, the shows you do with Joe, those are the ones I wait for.

Those are great. I really appreciate what you guys do with that. Yeah, it's good. I mean, he's out on the left coast. I'm on the East Coast. So you see able to line something up. So we've been doing that for over 250 shows now. That's weekly.

So I guess that's five years. So if I do the math, right. Amazing. All right, man. Here's some crazy stuff. So I've heard you guys talk about Roe v. Wade. And did you see what Biden did today? And the executive order, as I read a little bit of it,

executive order, I think facilitating or protecting the access to abortion for Americans. I said a joke, a tweet, or not a tweet, but a message to a friend of mine saying that Elizabeth Warren had urged Joe Biden to sign an executive order to create a joke. I guess, mobile abortion vans. They can go to states where abortion is banned or restricted. They can declare these vans, federal zones, and women can have access to abortion. And, you know, I said that's a joke, but only for the next 48 hours. I'm sure that's coming.

So what's your take on Roe v. Wade going down? Why do you think, you know, I get the idea that nothing like that happens unless you know, some elite elites want it to happen. But why are they doing that right now? Yeah, because the Supreme Court always ratifies the agenda of the elites. It's not as if those non-justices up there are free to, you know, read the tea leaves or read the burden trails and interpret the Constitution to the best of their ability, wherever that is. So there's some, what's the meta-political, you know, reason for this decision after so many years? I mean, obviously, the decision back in 1970s was absurd.

There is no, as elitist said, there's no implied or inherent right to abortion in the Constitution, and therefore it must go back to the States where it was, you know, before January 1973. So why now, after so many abortions, I guess tens of millions of dead babies? It's almost as if the culture war, you know, the collateral damage is there, and they don't really feel they need it anymore. as it's kind of moved on, but now we have transgenderism, these things. So that society is so corrupt at this point

that abortion isn't quite as important to their agenda anymore. The sperm cats are very low. Birth rates are dropping, marriage rates are dropping, so maybe they don't need it for population control or birth control anymore because no one seems to be interested in having sexual intercourse anymore. And no one seems to be getting married. married that much anymore. So sort of they've done their, it's done its damage, you know. So perhaps they don't think they feel it needed anymore. It could be that's, you know,

the immediate political explanation would be that the idea of electing Republican presidents paid some dividends. And so now they are letting it happen, meaning there isn't like, isn't as if Amy Coney Barrett and, you know, Kavanaugh and Gorsas are getting memos from Davos saying, you may do this now. But that's kind of how it happens, is the elite let it happen. And they gave a W to the conservatives. And so it maintains legitimacy of the system. The court itself maintains its legitimacy,

although Biden and Elizabeth Warren are claiming that the court has no legitimacy. Most sane people, honest people realize that it's a well-fought-out decision and that legally it was, constitution, it was correct. and it had it makes it so a lot of people buy back into the system now so we do get something when we vote you know so so the right can say we finally got abortion overturned and uh so we have a victory here so a lot of people will buy back into the system you know because of this so it looked like with the decision we were going to be defaulting to federalism very much like in 2020 with the COVID lockdowns that, you know, I said in March of 2020, who the hell, you know,

if you had to tell me in January of 2020, I'd be talking about federalism. I thought you were crazy. But with the, with this executive order, it seems like that could even push the federalism even further. I mean, it could, I mean, the states could actually like do a line in the sand kind of thing, even more so than just the decision, the decision to overturn Roe on its own. Yeah, you could get a position like an interposition or something that was foreseen in the Virginia Kentucky Resolution says 1798, where the states intercede.

They either declare something null and void, but they interpose themselves and they prevent it. You guess it all depends on the politics of the individual states. You might see that. It depends, really, I guess it would depend on what exactly how this executive were, will be instantiated or enforced. It could be just a gesture made to the left. The same way that, that, you know, another reason perhaps why Rose overturned was the other side needed to take a law

so they can mobilize the troops for November. They get people excited, all hot and bothered over their precious right to kill their unborn children. Now, I don't know how that really is going to play out in the elections or how much passion there is out there really for killing unborn babies. But maybe that's part of the strategy here. But it would be interesting.

They're creating a kind of same way that COVID created a showdown with the states between the federal government and the states. This may be doing it too. And it's going to reflect, you know, the red state, blue state divide. You'll have infanticide in California and New York and perhaps in some liberal-leaning Midwestern states like Wisconsin or Illinois. But throughout the, you know, the so-called flyover country or Bible. belt, you're going to have it more restricted or banned in some respects.

I think like the law and I think the Dobbs decision, which I think upheld a 15-week ban, no abortions after 15 weeks, which is pretty liberal from historical standards because I think prior to 1973, outside New York and California, laws are much more strict regarding abortion. And there was many cases banned outright, I think in many, many as 28 states when that decision came down in 1973. So it's almost like, you know, they've taken three step forward, it's taking one step back with this. The culture of death is still very strong out there,

as you can see with the protest. Well, yeah, I mean, the culture of death. Did you see that there was a social media meme or tweet or idea that came out a couple weeks ago that said there was some women were calling for a sex strike? And they were going to abstain abstain from gratuity or abstain from sex or casual, I'm sorry, abstain from casual sex until abortion once again is enshrined in the Constitution, the right to abortion is once again enshrined in the Constitution.

And I sent a couple of messages saying already the salutary effects of the reversal of Roe is having its effect, because it's reasserting morality into the public consciousness. These women are realizing, yes, there is a consequence to sex and the best way to abortions. its consequences is to act morally by default by saying abstaining from casual sex. That's the whole point. Yeah. It's really interesting how the left reacts to some things where it's almost like their solution is to become more like conservative.

So there was this one, there was this one post that said, me and some of my girlfriends did a retreat this weekend to help us cope with the monumental setback and fundamental rights. By the end of it, we had moved from sad and afraid to angry. we all agreed to a pact, no having sex with any men until he had proven himself a capable provider, and until all that, until that man has signed a contract written on paper, agreeing to stay with us and support us if we get pregnant. We started drafting an actual contract, and we're planning on sending it to a lawyer to make sure it's legit. At this point,

I'm completely done with men who want to hook up and leave. It's high time for American men to step up. And the account common sense extremists said, leftist women discover traditional marriage. So they go trad. They're going to wear long dresses. Longed hair long. Denim dresses. So yes, that's the whole point. So they're not going to have sex with men unless they prove themselves capable of making a long, some commitment and supporting them. Wow. You come a long way, baby. Because Virginia Slim used to have in their heads. It's like we want to go back to the 90s. Well, you went back to the 1790s. That's pretty good.

Well, it's pretty funny because, well, it's, what it does is abortion was always there as a backstop to contracept contraception. I think Senator O'Connor made this point in one of her, one of the rulings that abortion was necessary to, to back up contraception when it failed. And so abortion is a never-brew product of the contraceptive culture, you know, the antinatalist view. and also the myth of free love or sex without consequence. And so obviously without these, I guess, protections, if you will, are ways to avoid the natural consequences of sexual intercourse, which is... You catch them in the corner of your eye.

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know, which is, you know, the direction of what's right and wrong and meaning of the universe. So they, they, they will default to that because all this things, you know, what's contraception abortion is a way to, uh, guess, apply technology used to to avoid the consequences of one's actions. All it really does is shift the consequences to somebody else, whether it's an unborn baby, you know, or the baby has to, his life is stumped out to get around the reality that, you know, that the behavior you engaged in carries consequences, you know. So there you go.

I think that at this point, I mean, something that I've talked about for 25 years, over 25 years, is I've always imagined secession, but I never really could see it clearly until now. Now, arguments are made. If it's going to be a red state, it would have to be Texas. It would be better off if it was a blue state starting it, because then it would be more acceptable. But honestly, I mean, I've never, as somebody who studied, you know, the war between the states, our history, our documents,

I've never thought there was a better time where we could possibly see states actually do it. Yeah, I mean, you saw that. There was talk of a session when Trump was elected in 2016. And now you see it now with the Supreme Court's ruling on abortion. Although, again, the Supreme Court is not imposing itself its will on the country as it did the road decision. It's actually giving power back to the states. So you had this sort of spectacle in California and Los Angeles, they're in the streets rioting and protesting over the Supreme Court decision,

not offering up any legal analysis of the opinion, just simply sort of throwing a temper tantrum for something because they're not happy with the decision. They want to hell with a reason, logic, and the law. But it didn't change the law in California at all. In order to change the law in New York, you know, or many other blue states. You can still act. There's still going to be more or less abortion on demand and legalizing fanicide in New York and Massachusetts and California.

So why are they getting all excited about it? But nonetheless, you did have Gavin Newsom, I think, referred to California as a nation or something. Yeah, that was great. Yeah, a nation. Wow. Okay. And I can just see Gavin Newsompson. He'll be like firing the cannon off the federal fort in California. fournier-summer-day-taring secession, just like you did. Edmund Ruffin did in South Carolina, 1861.

Fire-breathing secessionist Gavin Newsom. But yeah, but there's sort of a reversion to that because what the Supreme Court is signaling with the decision is, is these decisions, you have to go back to the States because the American Empire is collapsing. And one of the, I think, natural reactions or consequences that will be a reversion to the states to make it to to govern. And basically giving back more of power to the states,

perhaps as was originally foreseen when they ratified the Constitution in 1790s. And since the eight, well, pretty much since this, I mean, the ink wasn't dry on the Constitution before they started consolidating, But really, since the middle of the 19th century, under Lincoln, there's the stress, the trend has been to consolidation throughout the world, actually. And so now we might be seeing sort of the dissolution of empire and the collapse of the global, sort of this 500-year central banking warfare system collapsing, just as the World Economic Forum, the Davos that are trying to create a global technocratic control grid. beneath them, the ground is shifting and the people aren't cooperating as they thought they would, or at least they're getting wise to it. And there's a problem, you know, more or less the natives are getting restless in the provinces,

and they're not cooperating. And you're seeing that kind of play out in politics imperfectly, rather imperfectly, in states like Florida, the Sanchez of some politicians, you know, are seeing which way the wind is blowing. seeing an opportunity here. And this is perhaps what's so ingenious about the American system was that it's, even today, it's very decentralized. You have to get everyone on board. And apparently they weren't able to do that in the past 24 months. And perhaps they may get a great reset, but it may not be the reset for a city or wanted. The collapse. Now, I'm looking at the courts again, thinking about the corpse again. They recently

had a ruling on guns. There is a ruling on abortion and you just see prices skyrocketing. And we finally, I'm saying this like I'm excited. We finally got consumer price inflation

that a lot of people were, you know, talking about in 2008 and 2009. And it does seem like it's collapsing. But, you know, I always worry that a dying animal, the dying wild animal

is really dangerous. And you got to wonder exactly what they can drum up. Yeah, it's a question of perhaps a faction within the ruling elite. You may want to go a different direction or there's dissension within this group. And I don't have any particular insight or privy to any information. I'm not a member of the Bluminati or I don't attend any parties and these like that. But you can just look at what's happening. and it appears that something like with the whole COVID agenda and the whole pandemic,

they didn't appear to get what they wanted. They got a lot of what they wanted, but also they got a bad, a lot of bad publicity and woke a heck of a lot of people up to the true nature of the system. I mean, we're talking probably hundreds of millions of people around the world have woken up to the reality, or at least getting a better idea of the reality of the system. under the governments are not in their control i mean they don't respond to the electorate

elections really don't matter that much because they're they're rigged or manipulated and what we saw like like with the with the pandemic when all the industrialized what developed countries went along with the program in you know in in unison which revealed a plan and of course this plan also reflected what was foreseen with event 201 and which was a, you know, a tabletop exercise of a pandemic. And then a few months later it happens and everyone follows the plan. It's exposed characters like Claude Schwab or Bill Gates. And although they aren't at the top of the pyramid and are close to it,

they're sort of like brand names or front name. So when you take into consideration the abortion issue, issue, the gun issue, the fact that Republicans are probably going to sweep the election in November with, and unless there's some kind of trickery like 2020, then you have to wonder if they're actually like looking for more violence in the streets, a la the summer of 2020, the summer of George, the summer of love. What do you think? Yeah. Yeah. You did have that. But it almost like, remember, if you look, go back to late May 2020, the whole COVID thing was kind of winding down, getting the spring, and the sort of COVID skeptics were getting a lot of traction in the internet and questions were being asked.

And all of a sudden, you had the George Floyd incident where he is arrested and overdoses on his drugs, dies, and police custody. And you had this whole sort of this, the George Floyd riots and sort of this. some along struggle session and the apparent stand down of federal and state authorities and sort of letting this this violence these riots go nationwide billions of dollars worth of police I'll sorry property damage does you know I think maybe three or four doesn't direct deaths a huge spike in the homicide rate which is you get had thousands of tests to that crime rate which the crime wave which are still experiencing and the

the sort of the stand-down of the local authorities. And this went a lot of exposure was made, was made of the so-called Soros prosecutors, the Kim Gardner's, Kimberly Foxes, this vote-in who was just recalled in San Francisco, Gasco, in L.A., where they'd be dedicated to releasing. Also, a lot of prisons were emptied.

Supposed because of COVID. There's a lot of violent felons were released onto the streets. And so we had to sum along of rioting and crime. So, and that was done to sort of add to the turmoil and mayhem, which contributed perhaps to the results of the presidential election in November. The COVID thing also facilitated a lot of the questionable voting. You catch them in the corner of your eye. Distinctive by design.

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the illegal changing of those. election laws in various states, which contributed to Biden's victory. So do they want mayhemic, you know, and confusion and turmoil? Well, I don't know how it will play out if there's a Biden in the White House, a Democrat, and Democrats are so, like, supposedly in control, will the public even get more outraged and swing more to the right because it's just a tide of all the violence? So it's hard to how it's going to play out. But it definitely appeared that the, that the, that the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

regime, if you will, sort of unleashed black terror on the country. And so it's a rational or just weak response that, you know, the kneeling cops, which didn't seem to make any sense. They created a holiday, Juneteenth. The Republicans, they voted overwhelming to do this in response, I guess, largely in response to what was the George, the narrative surrounding the George Ford death, you know, which is technically he was, I guess, the Chauvin was not guilty. of murder and involuntary manslaughter, which is funny. So, yeah, is there a political reason for it?

You know, well, there's always a political reason for crime and violence. And so you can see it as a form of sort of bio-Leninism. Well, not to mention the fact that the further damage it did to the retail economies, or retail economy around the country, which had been, you know, devastated by the COVID lockdowns, then they are confronted with some of rioting property destruction. So it's yet I don't think it's beyond the pale for them to consider again using street violence as a form of political terror you know to swing the electric in a certain direction or just to create more you know damage or more confusion or more turmoil in society that itself is a political strategy strategy of tension you know that you all learned about with the

you know, Gladiot, Operation Gladio in Europe in the 60s, 70s and 80s, where political terror and violence was actually perpetrated within the regime to change the politics, you know, to swing elections in a certain direction, usually rightward. In this case, in 2020, it was to swing the election leftward, so it can be used to swing the pendulum one way or the other. So when it comes to, like you had talked about police standing down, not doing anything. You mentioned the Soros prosecutors. I mean, January 6th, what's happening to those people? When does the backlash come? I mean, when does, when do certain parts of America, I mean, especially the right, who are mostly white, when do they realize the war on them and start doing something about it? And what would you even do about it at this point? Yeah, well, I think many have realized it.

That's part of the, I think, the awaking that people have had in the past 24 months, that the silent majority has no, you know, the heritage America, silent majority, white America, if you will, still the majority, still, you know, barely, I guess 60% now, has no institutional power or support. At the same time, they're being lectured that they're the beneficiary of white privilege, and the country is racist, institutionally racist. And all the institutional power is lefty or, you know, or culturally left now. And you have politicized law enforcement. And that, you know, what I mean by politicized law enforcement would be source prosecutors are dedicated not to prosecuting certain criminals and prosecuting those who have the dasties to protect their property or protect themselves from criminals.

That itself is a politicized form of law enforcement. You have the America Islands FBI and Department of Justice. And you can see how they're not soft on crime. They're not against prosecuting. They're against prosecuting real criminals, real threats to the community. But they will go after with ferocity those who are deemed, I guess, unfriendly to the system or to the regime. or not following you know the current dispensation which is like CRT lefty anti-white whatever

and so the January 6 prosecutors i'm sorry the January 6 protesters probably watched you know the entire year rioting and cops not doing anything your prosecutors not prosecuting media making excuses saying oh this is peaceful protesting so they thought well if we go down to go into Washington, D.C. in January to make our voices heard and to show Congress how we feel about this and show up in large numbers. That'll make a political impression.

After all, we have the First Amendment. We have a right to protest. Well, on paper, they have the right to protest because the media can spin a raucous protest and spend the narrative and create the illusion that it was a riot. It was an insurrection. Without any insurrectionists,

an insurrectionist was a violent protest without any weapons, but they can spin this narrative and they can keep it going for a year and a half. Although I don't think it's getting much traction in the public, that mainstream media is suspending and keeping it, maintaining it, even though there's no interest in it, really in the public. There's no appetite for especially the fact that people are reeling from galloping inflation, shortages and all the economic trouble the country is having their should simply been not interested in it but nevertheless

it's being beamed and the media is beaming it out for the masses to watch but as you can see good example was these prosecutors there was a case in this recent in New York where a guy who's running a bodega was assaulted by a black guy and he defended himself with a knife and killed the assailant and the prosecutor up there, who was a Soros prosecutor, he was not prosecuting the bodega owner for murder, despite the fact he was attacked. So he's effectively illegal if he did defend themselves.

You had the McCloskey's in the summer 2020 defending their property with weapons from a mob that had stormed their gated community. And Kim Gardner, the prosecutor there, said it called it a peaceful protest and ignore the crime of trespass, but she chose to try to prosecute the McCloskey's. for using the weapons in a way that most people would would deem justified to protect their property. They didn't shoot anybody. They just used the weapons to ward them all off, which is, I would think, is a good use of firearms.

It's a positive outcome. So you have that. So, yeah, there's no equality before the law. There's no law enforcement anymore. Now we have a two-tiered criminal justice system, where if you have the wrong politics, you will be prosecuted, I would say, for the full accept the law. I'd say even beyond that because the prosecutors are even making their own law. They're dreaming of fantasies of insurrection and prosecuting people.

Keeping him in prison for solitary confinement, I think a couple hundred people have been in prison for 18 months over the January 6th event, whereas a lot of people who rioted and destroyed property were arrested, they're released with no bail required and not in charges have been dropped in those cases. you know the car written house case where you know he actually was obviously was defending himself and nevertheless they went after him full war they weren't able to convict him but nevertheless they put him through that process you know for the mere act of defending themselves defending himself and people would ask why was he even there well he was there defending property because he was doing the job that the police are supposed to do that the mayor is supposed to do what the governor's supposed to do. And when they stand down and do the job, they turn around and prosecute a teenager who's doing the work that the men should do, the professional, the men who were paid for by the

taxpayer to protect the server and keep a law and order. And that was a standout. And so they had hudspot a prosecutor for that. So yeah, so that's what you have. I mean, that's when you have an FBI, which is acting more like the checker than a law enforcement. agency, you know, that supposedly every agent swore it swears to uphold and defend the Constitution. But nevertheless, that office under the Bureau and the DOG under Merrick Garland has been highly politicized. Same with the immigration enforcement. Moricus, again, elder Moricus is dedicated and not enforcing the country's immigration laws. These are all impeachable offenses.

They should remove from their positions. But when you have a regime that, again, is dedicated. to destroying the country, which many people are now becoming aware, yeah, it becomes, what do you do? What's to be done? There is no institutional support at the federal level, which again, perhaps there's more hope with the states, where, again, as to the federal government loses legitimacy, people who simply aren't going to abide by the rules nor pay at any respect as things unwinds there. And just something like the Federal Bureau of Investigation, which has lost all credibility with any set you know people who've been observing the situation

because it's obviously politicized at this point you had the situation uh in virginia where um parents uh in the affluent loudon county had discovered that the school system been taken over by degenerates and communists and weirdos teaching CRT transgender pushing the transgender agenda in the schools and also all the COVID nonsense where kids were you know either forced for a mask or kept out of schools, they learned just how bad the school system were, and they were showing up at school board meetings, telling people what they think about the schools that they're forced to pay for. And when the protests got a little ruckus and a little loud, we had the Attorney General of the United States threatened to call in his troops and threaten to investigate the situation there and maybe treat

these parents as suspected terrorists. This had an effect on the election, because they were. it turns Virginia red from blue again because the Republican ended up beating You catch them in the corner of your eye distinctive by design They move you Even before you drive The new Cooper plugin hybrid range

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The Democrat in the gubernatorial race largely because of what was happening out in Loudoun County in the neighboring Fairfax County. But then it turned out that Merrick Garland's daughter and son-in-law run a group, I think it's called Panorama, which is a company which provides material for critical race theory curriculum. So they're making money. America and his family is making money at the very programs that the parents in London County were protesting against. And he's bringing in the FBI to intimidate them, which is a direct conflict of interest. But the media doesn't talk.

There's a blip in the media about the story. He's never even forced to even answer that conflict of interest, that direct conflict of interest. And so there that's just a puninary conflict. It's also an ideological conflict in the interest here because, again, these are radicals. So I look at characters like Eleanor Marcus and Merrick-Garland now as constitutional officers, but as really their commissons, revolutionaries. And so they're dedicated to using the powers that they've seized or been entrusted with to carry out a revolution.

And what 2020 was was a Sero style of color revolution in the United States. And I think Time Magazine in February 2021 admitted that pretty much, that they had organized sort of a color revolution. Molly Ball's piece in Time Magazine bragging about how big media, big laborer, big tech, law enforcement had conspired a cabal. They even use that word in their article to secure. the election for Joe Biden to keep it safe. Well, you don't secure something you don't have. Election is something you win. It's not yours. You have to win it. And so there you go.

They admitted that indeed there was a conspiracy. And there's also not just direct, I'm not just talking about direct voter manipulation, balloting and ballot harvesting and mail in ballots and fake ballots and all that. They also control the flow of information, whether it's Facebook or Twitter or Google with your algorithms or social media. I mean, they banned the president from social media. Sitting president asked him from social media. A sitting president was cut off from communicating with the people. But they admitted, you know, like Twitter or other social media,

suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story. It was an example of that. Obviously, it's a relevant issue. It shows the corruption of the Biden family, vis-a-vis Ukraine of all places. And perhaps the American people voted in that election should have informed about them before they supposed to vote for Joe Biden.

But they control the flow of information. So if you have a democracy and freedom of the press, we have the First Amendment freedom presses there so they can inform the public on pertinent matters. When the press is acting like a combine or they're colluding to suppress information and they're keeping the public, they're keeping important information in the public,

how they're making in any way in a form of decision who to vote for. So that doesn't even work anymore. So that's another way to manipulate the election. It's almost as if they're guilty, the very thing they accuse Russia doing in 2016, you know, of colluding or interfering in the election,

you know, by spreading propaganda, you know, on social media. So they're guilty of the very thing that they accuse their opponents of doing. So surprise, surprise. Yeah, you mentioned biolanism in there, and also Sam Francis's anarcho-tirony is another one that's just so clear when you examine exactly everything that's going on right now. Yeah, just the unleashing of biolitanism, as you use these sort of these miscreants or losers who have nothing but the support of the state or of the elites.

So these are people who otherwise would have no influence or power, but if they're, sort of, they become janissaries, or some people say trinacaries now, to go on, and they're the ones that go out, and this is Antifa, they go out, and if the FBI or local law enforcement don't prevent them from destroying property, harassing people, intimidating people, they have a lot more power than otherwise, and they don't have no power otherwise because they'd be thrown in jail. And so, yeah, so this, you know, what they do is, they go out and they'll intimidate to decide you suppress, you know, political dissent or just opposition, you know, or just go off the normal people. Obviously, what's by the lennism is the top

uses the bottom to crush the middle. Because the middle class has always been sort of the, there's always been a burrow in the side of the elite in the United States, which is so vast, collectively so wealthy and independent that they have to crush it. And you got a lot of that, not just with the crime and our criterion of the crime, you got it with the COVID lockdown, huge transfer of wealth that occurred in the wake of the lockdowns and exposed to response to the pandemic has been huge destruction of small businesses and restaurants of course that's big companies like Walmart or chain restaurant chain fast food that's picked up the slack there so you have a further concentration of the economy under few and fewer hands control more and more wealth

that's where you get afflits like Black Rock becoming ascendant, largely to the political destruction, you know, of the retail economy, local economy, small business inside businesses, you know. So when you look at, I would say, the history of the last six, seven years, you had this insane response to Trump on the left. those people seem to be the ones that completely embrace COVID and wanted everything locked down, wanted to work from home, wanted all of it, wanted the vaccines, begged for the vaccines, showed pictures of themselves getting the vaccines on social media.

These are the people who say that Trump killed people on January 6th. And then you bring it all the way forward to the Ukraine mess, where it seems like all the same people who were for all those things I already mentioned just jumped right into Ukraine, like they just changed the profile pick, you know, in a heartbeat. I don't know that, you know, I've been around a long time. I don't know that I've seen that kind of, that kind of devotion to one side where it's just the programming there. I mean, you've been around as long as I have. I mean, is this something new or is, am I missing something in the past?

Oh, well, mass manipulation, mass mind control. Perhaps the pace and degree of it's more, it's more extreme now because more people are being locked, you know, just blocked through their screens, they're not out in reality. The lockdown, something would have been impossible, you know, 25, 30 years ago before the internet. because people couldn't be tolerated. So obviously, access to Netflix or Google Heats or grubble. The lockdowns couldn't have happened if Zoom didn't exist. Yeah.

And so this is technology. And so this goes back to probably, you know, this is like cybernetics and control. The employment technology control society. And it wasn't simply wasn't possible up until, you know, the middle of the 20th century. And you got a lot of that with television. You had it with the radio too, right? That's what the whole

Princeton Radio Research Project was, was the testing of the use of mass communication for mass manipulation control and psychological warfare. And so the development of mass communication, master of tame has always been, I guess, advanced alongside the study of psychological warfare and mass manipulation.

You know, you probably watch Adam Gerses sent you to the self. it's a pretty good documentary on this with edward bernays and these advertising's all kind of the same thing but you know i don't know society i mean if look at um like uh i don't know like in 1914 where people just marched off

go to die in the trenches about questioning anything you know and that's before the internet really before uh people many people going to the cinema nevertheless they were able to order and go off to march and you know much march storm of machine gun nests.

Of World War II, the greatest generation was very compliant. Didn't question anything. And the media back then was developed in a way to get to, the media was just pretty much as large as it as it is today. Time life, you know, that's all, he's there to kind of sell empire to the public. After Henry Luce's project was, in fact, that's why he started Time magazine was when he was a captain or lieutenant everywhere. He was an officer in World War I.

He realized just how ill-informed the soldiers war. And so he decided to create Time Magazine to sort of became a broad, middle-class magazine, to make people think they were informed and smart. But really, they're just being sort of guided or directed to think a certain way. That was for the American century of the American Empire. But he had the development of television. I mentioned the radio research project. There was Orsa Well's Halloween Eve broadcasts of World War.

worlds was part of that. It's a test to see how people will not only people react to a fake news story, but how they would react to the story of the fake news story. You know, and so all this information was compiled and developed and was television was developed well, it became widespread in 1950s. Within a decade, you know, television went from no one having 99% of the American people having it with antennas in every house of these things. So the control of the flow of information is, is, uh, in development of mass communication is key to mass manipulation. And that's one thing, um, again, we, with the development of the internet. You catch them in the corner of your eye. Distinctive by design. They move you. Even before you

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And the gatekeepers were bypassed. And so you had this problem. Maybe they became aware of it maybe 20, 15 years ago where for the first time, you know, nobody to get up and have a show, have a podcast or spread information. and they were losing control the narrative this is what samuel hunting called a crisis of democracy meaning that too many people were getting too much information wasn't been controlled anymore which is why you know the past six seven years you've had such a um a clampdown on information uh control the flow of information uh with the internet with youtube and google with many things

algorithms the deep platforming the past five six years something that never would have been a now most of what this is to accept because these are all private companies but you've had a situation where they let up you know a hundred flowers bloom perhaps a hundred million flowers bloom now they got to cut them down so they they've they've lost control the narrative so now they got to sort of bear their teeth so the system that's taken off the velvet the hammer is taking the velvet off the hammer now and it's become obvious to more people just how controlling the system is and the myth that the false promises of liberalism where really we don't

have free speech you don't have these things if what you say causes problems for the ruling elite you can always say something if you're nobody no one cares but if once you say something you're like to listen then you become a problem and then you see just how taunt the system is and they'll concoct some reason to cut you off or get rid of you or something you know I wanted to switch a topic here because this is something that I know you and Joe talked about a lot. I think hit at least for five minutes almost every episode, and it's the results of the vaccine. So I was, I followed Dr. Pierre Corrie's substack,

and he was linking to a ton of hex substack, which is called Clown World, great name for a substack. And she was talking about caskets, And she said, I spoke to a family who owns one of the largest manufacturers in, casket manufacturers in North America. They supply caskets to huge chains across the U.S. It's horrific to have to report on such a thing, but the owners said that their sales of typical caskets have increased by 20%.

And since December 2021, their sales of small-sized caskets under five feet for children have increased by 400%. And this isn't the only person who's reporting this. She has quotes here from people who own funeral homes and the like and other people who have casket manufacturing businesses. So what's happening? I mean, what is going on? What is the agenda? I mean, we just had the Georgia Guidestones, you know, torn down yesterday.

They're saying it might have been struck by lightning. That would be hilarious. But who knows? And those get taken down. And I know, right? It's like the Lord's just like, here you go. It took you so long. Yeah.

And but you know, my comment was, you know, where it says keep the population of 500, the world population of 500 million. Well, maybe they don't need that anymore because it's already underway. Yeah. Soft kill is underway. It's been underway for a long time. Yeah, it's interesting because remember in the pan, early on in the so-called pandemic, In fact, people were talking to funeral homes and there wasn't, they were reporting no incidentally

an increase or no increase at all in funerals in the same way that you didn't see it in the insurance, life insurance data claims. But after the vaccine is introduced, you see these insurance companies releasing these reports of 125, 163% increase in life insurance claims among working age Americans. which is catastrophic to the insurance industry because that is a cohort that should not be dying if that's a cohort that needs to be paying the premiums for the insurance insurance insurance to stay solid.

And it's interesting, that's where you see the data because it's not going to be reported in the media about this or they're righted off to something else, you know, like sudden adult death syndrome. It's just happening. What is this? Kids have strokes too, don't you know? And so that type of reporting is,

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Volkswagen Financial Services Ireland Limited. Trading as Kupra Financial Services is regulated by the Central Bank of Ireland. The increase in claims in life insurance policies, that can't be hidden, at least not immediately. And same thing with the report of purchase of caskets, as you'd expect to see this. Some people are saying it's also reflected in the price inflation and the labor market, where there is a shortage of labor. Well, it could be because those people who would work are dead.

And so now it's having a big enough impact that it's actually affecting productivity of the U.S. economy where you can't print labor out of thin air, but you can't print money out of thin air. So this is why one of the reasons is why you're seeing the spike in prices. problems of productivity. So yeah, it's a chilling thing to look at it. It's something that we, uh, that Joe and I expect that would happen, uh, when they started introducing these jabs, uh, is that you'd get, um, it would, it would cause all types of health problems that would be treated as something else because it destroys your immune system. And so once your immune system

is destroyed, you'll die a whole lot of other things and you won't and they'll call it something else like sad, sad, seventh adult decimal. Or you have cardiac, you know, you have mitochondrial these things where people develop all types of cardiovascular problems now, and they'll write it off to something else, so it won't be held accountable. But again, this is something, again, this is the official narrative of the vaccine was there, this was, you know, sorry, wasn't warp speed. of the program. Yes. You know, which doesn't instill confidence in the process. Vaccines are always problematic, especially ones that are done under a crash program. And there's simply no way to tell

if they're safe or not because time only tells these things. So obviously, if a program under work speed, we're not going to have the benefit of time to judge these things. And this was done in response to a to a disease which had a think a death rate lower than the typical flu season, especially for children, the young people made no sense, you know, even given the official narrative. So why were they doing it? And then nevertheless, you can see the CDC recommending giving the jab to children, you know, who are much more likely, again, to die on the school bus in an accident then succumb to COVID-19. But they kept pushing it, you know.

So you reap what you so. And again, I've heard some doctors. I've talked to people who their doctors have told them that this is a population in full measure reduction program. These are doctors saying this, you know, under their breath to patients. In that same Pierre Corey article, they were talking about, how now they won't say that it's a vaccine injury.

There's no such thing as a vaccine injury now. It's all long COVID. Yeah, and which is what Joe and I were saying would happen is they attribute it to long covert or they're called something else. This is something that the medical industry, you know, a big farm and the medical which have been doing for decades, Robert Kennedy's book on Anthony Fauci, And as a large chunk of that book is dealing with the AIDS myth and the fraud surrounding AIDS, how, you know, how they sort of conjured up this dreaded virus and blamed the virus for this disease

of afflicting homosexual men. And really, it was a little lifestyle. It wasn't really a particular virus. But nevertheless, they used that as an excuse to get all the funding, take it out of cancer research, put it into infectious diseases where Ethically Fauci would control that over at the National Institute of Health and get all the funding for it. In the meantime, they use all these experimental black label cancer drugs to kill children, hundreds of children, thousands of children, and also hundreds of thousands of gay men in 1980s or 90s. And again, that's hidden history.

Although, if you just look at the data, kind of the history of that, it's fairly obvious what went down in 1980s with that. So this is sort of the record of these people. So I don't know why, again, going into the whole COVID thing, I was very, very, very skeptical of Big Pharma, National Institute Health, and Anthony Fauci. So when he, you know, so set back in the limelight, I kind of rolled my eyes. and I immediately didn't trust him because of his record with AIDS. The savior of the right, Trump, went along with so much of it. I think it would have been worse with, I think a Democrat, definitely Hillary, would have tried to shut down the whole country.

At least Trump pretty much left it up to the states, but he's still saying over and over again that that vaccine is good. And you just have to wonder, is he evil or is he stupid? Yeah, it's one, yeah, I don't know. It's almost like, as if, you know, how much power does a president have actual? I think we found out in 2020. At many ways, the president is a general letting any troops if the system is against them. So, yeah, he did. I mean, he did. He kind of went on to lockdowns. Was skeptical about it. Then was land-bats to the press for, but he got on board the whole vaccine thing. He still talked about it. A lot of the problems we're dealing with now with inflation started under Trump. Well, it goes way back, actually. I'm saying the immediate problems with the CARES Act and the whole Black Rock bailout scheme of Wall Street occurred under Trump.

And so that that whole scam went down under Trump. But it wasn't Anthony Fauci who said, was it in 2017 that Trump would be confronted with a pandemic or something? Yeah. Another prediction, very pressing it. Yeah, it's amazing how so many of those come true when they're, especially the person, or like if you watch Contagintagint, which I think is what, 2009, 2010, they talk about social distancing. Sanjay Gupta actually says social distancing in that. And then you look at all sorts of movies that, like the Kingsmen and V for Vendetta and all these movies where it's just like, I guess all this stuff is coming true now. I guess they were telling us something.

Someone was warning us that something was coming. Yeah, it's almost what they started doing with movies. They started using like real, I guess, pundits or journalists in movies to blur reality. And so now, you know, so you see Sanji Gupta on Contagintagintagintagintagintaginted playing Sanjibpta talking about a pandemic, a deadly pandemic. Then a few years later, you have Sanjukta on CNN talking about a supposedly deadly pandemic. And of course, you've watched that movie, we hear about how, how do we respond to this? Well, there's social distancing. There's rioting.

And then the miracle vaccine that the CDC heroically produces, right? And so that's the sort of, and unfortunately, most people's sense of reality comes from, you know, with the sea, either on the little screen or the big screen, now on the computer. So it's it goes back to the whole idea of using mass communication, mass entertainment as mass mind control. Because most people's idea of what a pandemic is is contagion, the movie. So I had a lot of people say to me when this was happening was it's like we're in a movie. And I said, well, you are in a movie. It's played out. It's not really, it's a question of a narrative.

And so they spend a narrative and create the reality around it. And so much of what we think about is reality is really a narrative. Because we don't really, we don't directly experience these events. We're told about it. So whoever is telling us the story is going to control all sense of reality. And so that's why we get into this whole idea of what's really going on in the world, what has gone on in the world is the question of whose narrative you're accepting. which is why revisionism is so important in many historical events.

We list the acceptance of open talk about it, where events can be scrutinized and cross-examined and critiqued, as opposed to being treated as holy writ. There are things you cannot question for threat to being socially ostracized or being put in prison. Absolutely. All right. I'll remind everybody again about your podcast where they can find it, and we will end this. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah, my podcast is just our interesting times. It's on Potomatic. I also can find it on Odyssey and Rumble. Not on YouTube anymore. I wonder why. So I violated community standards. The ever-changing community standards. So that's what you can get it.

Well, I appreciate it. Thanks a lot, Tim. Have a good weekend. Yeah, thanks for having me. You've a nice evening. Bye-bye. I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekinguena show returning. I'm here with Tim Kelly.

How are you doing, Tim? Oh, very well. How about yourself? I'm doing well. Doing well. Well, let's just jump right in. You've been on the show before you've introduced yourself. I will say, you know, being the host of our interesting times, one of my favorite

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Okay, yeah. Thanks. Yeah. So, kind words. So. I'll pay it back to my wife. Yeah, if you have anything nice to say, I, yeah, I can do the same. But the reason I asked you to come on today is because a friend of ours, mutual friend of ours, gave me the idea for an episode and said, you know, talked to Tim. And, you know, let's talk about the suburbs, Tim. I guess the first question we could ask is

who do you think, who can you nail it down and created the suburbs? Well, as a social phenomenon, we're talking about a mid-century, 20th century, 20th century, you know, process or phenomena. It wasn't the free market, wasn't Adam's Miss Invisible Hand. It was a number of things,

I guess you could say that, that led to its creation, but there are various interests. You could say it was the automobile manufacturing interests, the oil companies, petroleum companies, they had the chemical companies that were going to build the roads that led to the suburbs. But generally speaking, it was a vast social engineering operation carried out in the post-war boom.

in the United States. There was a plan to kind of empty the, empty the herbs, if you will, the cities, the urban areas, and populated with a lot of the ethnic whites that up until then had populated these northeastern and Midwestern or northern cities in the United States, largely Catholic, ethnic Catholics.

So it was a plan and there were a lot of ways to create the suburbs. One was the creation of the interstate highway system, that was supposedly inspired by Eisenhower. As he rolled through Concord Germany, he admired the Autobot. So the pretext was sort of a defense planning, civil defense type thing, a scheme. And, of course, I think at the time, it was done under Eisenhower, his so-called junta. Because there was General Electric, General Motors, pipelated.

It was very corporatist cabinet, a very mid-century America, big industry, that sort of thing. And I think at the time, the head of General Motors became the Secretary of Defense. And so he oversaw it. And then I think also the Secretary of Interior was from DuPont, which would make some of the chemicals or build the roads, you know, the paved roads. There's also the creation of the Federal Housing Administration. that was in the 193rd is, I think, one of these new deal alphabet soup agencies designed to create homeownership for everybody, you know how that works. And they created the 30-year mortgage.

And you also had the civil rights movement. This was the civil rights movement. Integration was used, racial integration, ethnic integration, education, basically blacks in the white neighborhoods, ethnic white neighborhoods started in earnest in the 19th. the 50s and 60s with a series of federal moves by the federal government, deployment of the 82nd Airborne or 101st, I forget which one, but also the Supreme Court rulings that ended segregation and things like that that would maintain these ethnic, please help maintain some of these ethnic neighbors in the north.

Of course, Jim Crow didn't exist in the north. That was a southern thing. A whole other story is how the South was conquered again. But the northern areas, they didn't really consider themselves. There wasn't racially segregated, you would ethnic enclaves, sort of this matrix or a mosaic, rather, of ethnic neighborhoods that had, they were, for the most part, sovereign. And they populated these cities.

And this is when the industry was there and everything. So that's what happened is it was these various interests. But I think generally speaking, was a social engineering scheme because these ethnic enclaves that existed in the United States were impenetrable. And often they contained people of a suspicious ethnic background. These, that's how Louis Worth phrased that he was the agent for the Office of War Information who studied the riots in Detroit in 1943, the racial riots. They had shipped up a lot of Negroes from the south to work in the factories and plopped them in the middle of a Polish neighborhood. And lo and behold, there was a riot. Who could have thought that?

And so he went to investigate it. And he came out with the report that, you know, of course, some of these ethnic Catholics were suspect. Ready for huge savings? Well, mark your calendars from November 28 to 30th because the Liddle Newbridge Warehouse sale is back. We're talking thousands of your favorite Liddle Island. all reduced to clear. From home essentials to seasonal must-habs, when the doors open, the deals go fast.

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trading as Cooper Financial Services is regulated by the Central Bank of Ireland. Yeah, no, we're not just talking about Italians and Germans, because the country was at war with them at the time. He's also citing the Irish in the polls in various cities, whether it's Detroit or Cleveland, Philadelphia, and these places. So that was kind of a plan. And so kind of a day was the war planners at the time. And this actually goes further back in the World War I when you had the melting pot program.

And the idea was America was going to war and sending an expeditionary force to go fight in Europe. And so a lot of dough boys were going to be forced to go and kill their cousins in Europe. And the way to get them to be, I guess, more open to that would be a whole lot of propaganda. Nothing ever changes, I guess. But also to sort of homogenized, make them American, you know, as opposed to hyphenated Americans. And you had all these rallies like in parks where people were going dressed like their ethnic. you know, with German or Irish, they go into a pot and they come out just like, you know, Uncle Sam, you know, in a way that some of these rallies would go off in World War I.

So it does predate World War I, but they got the idea. Of course, the war ends. You have the 20s and 30s in the Great Depression. And so in World War II, you had a lot of, you had a labor shortage because tens of millions of, or 10 or 11 million men were drafted, go fight in the Pacific and in Europe. So the labor shortage. So they brought a lot of cheap labor up from the south, Mississippi Delta, like in the Chicago, Detroit. And that's where you had these riots.

But then it was some of the war planners saw the United States as a similar problem that the Soviet Union had. The Soviet Union, again, like the United States, was a proposition nation, if you will. It was an empire, a multi-ethnic empire, a polygod empire, a polygod empire. and it needed to homogenize the American population, the ethnic white population at the time, which was over 90% white at the time. In order to fight the war and also to fight, I think what they planned would be the Cold War

to kind of facilitate the American century, the American Empire, make everyone American get on board the program. And so the idea was they could use some of the civil rights or racial problems that the country had to bust up the neighborhoods. And the idea was you could, use FHA loans, 30-year mortgages for some of these cookie cutter homes that were being built.

And then you could use racial integration or black migration as a stick because blacks would show up and it create all types of problems and the whites would leave. You have a white flight. And there's a lot of strategy and a lot of. And you also have this phenomenon or this excuse of urban renewal. That was a big thing in the mid-20th century. The idea was they came up the idea of urban blight. And this was kind of like the fake problem of crisis at the time.

They were bringing photographers. They'd go in and they'd hire people to spill trash in the streets and they take photographs and put it in Life magazine. And they just declare areas blighted because they wanted to use the property for something else. And this was ratified by the Supreme Court in B. Berman v. Parker. And that she had Berman v. Parker. I think the same year you had the Ground versus Board of Education, which ushered in the Airman.

of integration, eventually forced integration like busing to break up ethnic neighborhoods, you know, mixed white with black. Of course, the end result wasn't that. Whites left into the suburbs, the suburbs that were being built with easy credit. This factors into the whole economic system of the United States, opposed to Breton Woods economic system where the United States could foster an economy based on credit and debt as opposed to real production. We're seeing that end now. So they could offer cheap loans, houses, these people, so they could make it moderately attractive. At the same time, you bust up these ethnic neighborhoods, which were a stronghold of both

political and cultural opposition to the then-ruling wasp establishment. And at that time, the junior partner is a Jewish elite in Hollywood, particularly in Hollywood, because these ethnic neighborhoods represented strong cultural power, particularly Catholic power, which played a big part in holding back the forces of the sexual revolution and sexual, and just overall degeneracy as we promoted by Hollywood. A good example, that was the imposition and maintenance of the production code for a better part of 30 years, and what really backed that up was the existence of these ethnic neighborhoods where there are strong Catholic identity, ethnic identity, Irish, Catholic, German Catholic.

And there was a lot of intermarriage. So this era was probably going to end at some point, but it would have been done under, I think, more voluntary, long, sustaining terms than what transpired. So when, what happened was the, they knew, and this is where psychological warfare strategy played a part, they knew if they scattered the Catholics into these suburbs, they'd be much more vulnerable to programming or psychological warfare, propaganda, propaganda, consumerism, these things. And you could have your sexual revolution.

have the culture revolution because these people no longer, you know, ensconced in their parish in their own culture and the community and their identity can be atomized white Americans who had nothing else in common other than what they watched on television and perhaps what kind of cars they drove over what sports teams they rooted for. And that's kind of where we got sort of the 20th century America, or at least the second half of what we know of like post-war America, the post-war boom, America, pop culture and these things. So it was, again, it's a, it's a, it was a vast social engineering program carried out by very, I guess, malicious but clever men at the higher, at the upper echelons of the American government in corporate America where these things kind of overlap. You really can't separate the two.

It's almost like they're all going to draw with the Venn diagram or some of consensurate circles because they're all in Iraq with whether it's time life, the CIA, skull and bones, general motors. We kind of see how that works now. I think it's more obvious today than ever. And you really can't separate, you know, we just call it the regime, if you will. But yeah, but it's basically as a Wasp Jewish Alliance to Schmat, to destroy the urban neighborhoods, smash Catholic identity because the Catholics were also overproducing in their eyes. It was called differential fertility, whereas the wasps had embraced contraception. The Catholics did not.

And so by 1960, they had elected a Catholic president. And if this wasn't changed, they could see the country becoming a majority Catholic nation. And the wasp established from didn't like that. And of course, the Jews didn't like it because the Catholics were the biggest impediment to Jewish cultural domination of the country. And by the 1960s, with the introduction of the birth control pill, the collapse of the production code, they were able to sexually corrupt the country and usher an era of Jewish descent. that we live on today. I was rambling.

I hope that explains. That's how I understand it. That's how I understand it. Yeah, but there was a lot there. So why would social engineers want white people, middle class people out of the cities, you know, people who would normally lean or be explicitly right way out of the cities? Well, because the cities themselves,

again, this speaks to the nature. the neighborhood itself was a very compact small, at least small geographically, but powerful politically because it was so dense. And the cities are kind of a center of political power. And so they kept, there was a social order there, which the WASP establishment, which was, you know, largely, they had been seduced by Darwinian theories of, you know, of youth of, you know, of social engineering, social hygiene. So they didn't like the Catholics, you're dirty, having all these babies, that sort of thing. And also they didn't like things like the Catholics weren't practicing birth control. They didn't like abortion.

And they wouldn't accept Hollywood crap. So it was a cultural difference. Good example. Best example of this would be the case that it would be built in most blessed Sacrament parish in Philadelphia, which was destroyed by integration. basically there's a deal cut with the Ford Foundation working with the Quakers working with black ministers to ship blacks from the from South, most George and South Carolina, I think, to flood the Irish neighborhoods and get them into the suburbs where the Irish would become whites. And that now we have, that's why we have white, you know, anti-white stuff and all like,

because now everyone's just sort of deracinated white folk with no real identity out of the consumerism. So I didn't like that. It was a culture. A good example was this Most Blessed Sacan Parish. It produced the most vacations in the country, had the largest high school, Carter-Darthe-high school, largest elementary school in these things. So it was really, from the standpoint of the United States, Calix, were never really belonged in the United States, but they came here. And the United States also did it, did its part by, you know, conquering parts of, it purchased Louisiana. Louisiana, a lot of Catholics there extended into the southwest. And at the same time, because of the brutal British policy in Ireland, a whole lot of Irish came to the country in the 1840s. That's why this sort of ethnic setup of this mosaic that existed in the United States lasted from about 1850 to about 1960. But that's what they did. It was a completely different cultural outlook on things.

It was that Protestant Catholic divide, you know, there. And so the Wasp elite didn't like them. The Irish in Philadelphia elected a thing was Mullen was his name. Yeah, Mullen, Senator Mullen. He was a Democrat, pro-life Democrats. They were back then. Ready for huge savings? Well, mark your calendars from November 28 to 30th because the Liddle Newbridge Warehouse sale is back. We're talking thousands of your favorite Liddle items all reduced to clear. From home essentials to seasonal must-hack. When the doors open, the deals go fast. Come see for yourself.

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he was Catholic. And what it is they flooded his district with blacks, chased the whites out and got rid of them politically. So it was a ethnic warfare. It was demographic warfare. The type that we see played out now throughout Europe and the United States today is very similar in many ways. It was just internal. There was eternal migration that was exploited. You just take advantage of the conquered South, impoverished South.

And it's easier to attract them with higher wages. They come into the city and you have these blacks from the, the South, again, most people's morals are driven by custom and environment. So you take them out their environment, break them, and take another custom, and they're kind of lost. And, of course, just one thing leads to the other, you can have a lot of problem with crime, which they did. That's what chased the whites out, that he couldn't deal with it anymore. And of course, every time Irish Catholics resisted, they were portrayed as racist in the press. They never talked about black, we see this today where, although people, people,

know it's there. The press doesn't really focus on the phenomenon of black crime. You know, we just, it almost accepted as normal, like humidity in the summer or something. And so the victims get very little sympathy, especially when they react and organized, then they became racist, you know. You know, a good example was in Philadelphia. I think it was a group called the Dirty Anis, which was an Irish gang, which was fighting black gangs. But you've read it in the press accounts, they're the answer they weren't fighting anybody

you're just racist so it's like easy Michael Jones said it's like having King Kong without the giant gorilla you know it doesn't make any sense even there's a reaction to this

what are they fleeing from you know so there you go so yeah the the understanding that I think right wingers you know especially today and

in my lifetime. It's like, well, you know, why would you want to live in a city? You know, we have to get out of the city. No one. No one in there. That's where all the political power is. And people don't see that if, like, if there was no electoral college, basically, Los Angeles and New York would elect every president.

And I'm not saying, you know, that right wingers need to move back into cities. No, they need to get the hell away from cities as far away from cities as possible and get further away. I mean, the suburbs is not far enough, believe me. But the, I mean, and then people would say, well, I mean, if you abandon the cities to them, then they have all the political power because all the political powers in the big cities. And, you know, that's why I think a lot of people for a lot of years, you know, Hans-Ramanoppa talking about it 25 years ago, we're saying local politics has to become front and center now. And that's the way, you know, that's the way you mitigate this.

damage from, you know, basically the big cities being taken over by gangs of leftists and gangs of thugs. Yeah. And a lot of this intention, that's something I think most people, I think became aware of in 2020 was that black crime or violent, urban violence can be used as a political weapon to achieve, you know, electoral, you know, objective like unseating a president or just destroying the value of property or an insurance scam. I think we saw a lot of that in 2020.

To this day, a lot of the, for I understand, a lot of the shoplifting is highly organized. And a lot of the stolen goods are being sold on Amazon and eBay. So the gig economy or the internet economy, not only is out competing the retail, brick and mortar mom and pop operations is helping liquidate the stolen goods and there's no

investigation of this. FBI is too interested in chasing down pro-lifers who who shove people who are yelling obscenities in their kids' faces. They'll send 20 agents to arrest that man but they won't investigate this which would be a lituriant function of the Federal Bureau investigation. But yeah so it's it is a strategy. And there was something revealed late in the 1970s during the church committee hearings. And this is something I guess people at the time would be shocked to hear, but they probably can't be shocked now, is that the, I think it was the Office of Economic Opportunity,

led by one Sergeant Schreiber, Rear Schreiber's father and father and former father-in-law of Arnold Schwarzenhager, Sergeant Schreiber. His department gave over a million dollars, or close to a million dollars to a group called the Blackstone Rangers, which was a black gang. And their job was to go in and skill, I think, scare the hell out of ethnic whites, particularly ethnic polls out of neighbors in Chicago. Martin Luther King was hired by the Rockefeller, has given $20,000 to go up to Chicago and protest housing. He needed nothing of the issue up there.

Again, Chicago wasn't segregated that you had ethnic neighborhoods. And so he shows up, I think it was Marquette Park, which was a Luther waiting neighborhood. and started telling everyone they had to leave because they should integrate, which basically they're telling everybody, he's telling people they should leave. And he was, he was, he was, he would, he was just, they started throwing rocks at him. He'd get out of there. But it wasn't a racial, really strictly speak, it wasn't a racial issue. There's an ethnic issue.

And so, but nevertheless he was mobilized for that, for those purposes. He was a rabble rouse. He's not the peace-loving guy that, you know, he's told he was. Um, and so he was, he his, yeah, it'd be nice. It'd be nice of people on the right would stop invoking him. Yeah, because he would, he would threaten violence if he didn't get what he wanted. Um, and he was bought out, you know, uh, uh, yeah, you know, by the Iraq fellows and also the, you know, the American Jewish Committee and all that. So he was, what was his name? Um, Lewis, um, what was his handler? Oh I forget his name, yeah. Yeah.

But again, then he's assassinated, of course, and so he enters the pantheon of American, you know, secular saints. But it just wasn't what it were,

it just wasn't what it's been presented to be to the American people, the whole civil rights. It wasn't Stanley Levinson? Stanley Levinson. Thank you. Yeah. So, yeah, so that's, you know, so they just wanted to scatter them and a bunch of scattered whites in the suburbs where they have, we don't have any ground to protect or any identity.

And then 30, 40 years of cultural programming and propaganda and degeneracy and you have, you get what you have today. I guess that, I guess that leads into my next question. You already started. Where it's not okay to be white. Yeah. You started answering my next question. Are the suburbs a good way to live? Well, they're comfortable for the most part, but they're antisocial because it's

way it's designed. And you don't notice it until someone tells you about it because I kind of more or less grew up in the suburbs. Although I did have, as an early childhood, I did have some experience like with what it's like to live in a parish with an ethnic consciousness. I saw the tail end of it. But I did go out into the suburbs, like outside Washington, D.C. And it was.

It was just very bland, and everyone's very polite and nice, but there's no organization. There's no community, really, very little community. You rally around something like Little League, and these are non-sectarian, non-threatening, non-political. Not much political potential in Little League, you know, these things. Whereas in a parish, you know, urban parish, there's a lot of potential there that serves a lot of functions. Everyone isn't, you know, everyone, your neighbor may be Catholic or also, you may be Episcopalian or Protestant or, you know, or Methodist or a Hindu for all that matter.

But everyone's kind of polite to one another, but there's no organization. There's no community. So that doesn't present any political problems for the powers that be. and so that's the benefit for the oligarchs of the function that the suburbs serves for the oligarchs who really rule the country and then they're in a position because they control the means of communication and as you knew of the Alex Jones settlement of free speech costs about a billion dollars in this country right so those with the power to communicate their messages like the media They're the ones whose opinions matter, whose views matter, and they beam it at everyone's house.

You know, the classic scene of the suburbs in the 60s within 10 on every house, right? You see that in Life magazine and everyone watching the blue screen at night, and that's the psychological warfare that they unleashed. Because no one is really outside anymore. They're inside. Public events are no longer outside anymore. They're inside, and these watching television shows. And now it's even more atomized now with the Internet. know, everyone looking at their own little device as opposed to gathering around a TV set, you know, as a family.

You know, so but the suburbs' houses are usually laid back, you know, these row homes in Philadelphia are something where these, uh, lined up side by side, either with a porch or a step. And you'd hang out there and you talk to people beside you. Of course, people beside you were usually Catholic. They all knew each other and these things. Now, obviously these areas didn't have problems. Obviously, these areas had problems. Ready for huge savings, we'll mark your calendars from November 28th to 30th because the Liddle Newbridge Warehouse Sale is back. We're talking thousands of your favourite Liddle items all reduced to clear. From home essentials to seasonal must-habs, when the doors open, the deals go fast.

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They knew their identity. Whereas going to the suburbs, again, what do you have? Again, I've said it. You may relate to what you watch on television, or what sports team you're root for, that sort of thing. But that's pretty superficial, you know. Yeah. You know, if you're just getting together on the Sundays to stare at the TV and root for a sports team and, you know, drinking is involved and a lot of eating's involved.

Well, I mean, while you're doing that, there are people planning your demise. Yeah. Or to molester children. A good example of the power of nothing neighborhood. I think it was Pat Buchanan in his biography right from the beginning tells a story where someone came in the neighborhood trying to peddle pornography and all the fathers got together and beat him up chased him out that wouldn't happen in the suburb because no one has any organization, identity community, not going to occur and not strictly legal but defensible

and a good chance the cops would support it. That's not possible in your typical suburb now. So you don't get that level of protection. The same way that in an ethnic neighborhood, for many reasons, but let's say someone tried to introduce Drag Queen Story Hour and an Irish Catholic neighborhood in Philadelphia in 1955. Or it wouldn't happen because all these poor working class Irish families, sitting there because they're private school.

So, but my point is, if something tried to unleash a cultural program like that, they'd face fierce opposition en masse. And they have a political organization item. They'd have politicians behind them. And they wouldn't be as powerless as they are. Now, we do, even now in deracinated, you know, atomized suburbs like Leesburg, Virginia, parents finally have too much because perhaps the bridge too far. And they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they,

may not be organized. They're showing up at the same point, same time, rather, and they're complaining to the school board, and the response is for Merrick Garland's check, I to go after them, for having the audacity to complain at a school board about the children being molested at school, you know, being taught about transgenderism or critical race theory, what have you, you know, these parents now become dangerous because they're, I guess, they're expressing their opinion on how their school should be operas. But you get much politicians would get, politicians and their oligarchic benefactors

would face much more fierce opposition to something like that. Well, it brings me to my next question about all this. Financially, economically, how sustainable are the suburbs? Well, like I said, they were, they were financeded largely, by the FHA, 30-year mortgage, and that was federal credit. And the federal credit was expanded by the Bretton Word system, the dollar being the de facto world reserve currency. And of course, immediately when the U.S. government assumed that exorbitant privilege

and the poster period started abusing it, so it lasted. It still exists today, but we're seeing with a massive debt, you know, the type of games have to play with interest rates and the problems that are causing. with the global economy, I think it ultimately led to the pandemic because that was a pretext for shutting everything down and trying to reset everything because there's so much debt now. They have to reset something. You have to have a pandemic or a war or something to distract people to reset this thing because there's so much debt. The world is just a washing debt, which is the biggest problem. You should probably just have a jubling get rid of it and then, you know, make the bankers take a haircut on it.

Much more equitable solution than what they have in the store, which is genocide. No, I think that it wasn't sustainable because we saw as the suburbs expanded, you saw the national debt expand. A lot of other things going on there, but it does reflect the corruption of the economic system, particularly in the post-Bretton Wood system, where because of the pressure brought on by the dollar, because of government spending, which, again, some of these suburban projects should be identified with, at least indirectly, the next time to close the gold winner, and it brought in the paper dollar system. And so the sort of the US consumerist, this accelerated America's deindustrialization in the 1970s up until now. Because what happened was with the dollar enjoying reserve status and the petro dollar, it created unusually strong dollar. And it made U.S. exports more expensive. So it also created the macroeconomic environment where you have. outsourcing. And you had to put, you know, the utilization of cheaper labor in the third world

became a model for the neoliberal model. The businesses that no longer saw themselves, particularly an American company or European, German companies, particularly German companies or French companies, there's, they're multinational companies. And under their neoliberal, I guess, uh, system, uh, they could, they could go in and search out the labor markets of in Asia and Latin America exploit that cheap labor. And then at the meantime, they could use easy credit just to fund consumer consumption at home. But this led to huge trade deficits and balances and also year-in-year-out growing budget deficits, which we're seeing now coming with $31 trillion deficit. Oddly enough, the U.S. dollar is still

relatively strong because that's, I think, the cost of, that's really a reflection of military and geopolitical positioning, as opposed to sound economics. The most indebted nation in the world is the reserve currency? How does that work? Or it works because you have the U.S. military. You blow up a pipeline to tank the euro, right? The prop up the dollar, things like that. So, no, I think, so, yeah, the production of the suburbs, the consumer,

because you say suburbs were a reflection of over-consumption. debt financed over consumption, a debauched monetary system and these things. So, no, it's not sustainable in the long term. Whereas the system that America had probably prior to this was sustainable. And so, but the goal was, again, I don't think the goal was to make it sustainable. I don't think they particularly cared. They figured they just bring in another phase in another program. And we've seen that, you know, with Breton Woods, with the petrodollars system.

Now they're trying to ease in digital currencies, you know. Do you think that since they're pushing people even further out than the suburbs right now, you know, more and more people, I mean, I don't live in the suburbs. I mean, I live in, I don't live near a city. I mean, it's like the closest big city I live from is like an hour and a half away. And it's easier to become more self-sustaining. Do you think that they messed up in pushing people even further out past the suburbs? Because now a lot of people don't have to rely upon a lot of their system for their sustenance.

Well, that's interesting because what you have with COVID, a lot of people working from home. And they realize they can do this from home. And why should they drive, spend two, three hours in a car? and whereas the whole like post-war economic system was based on long commutes, car purchases, you know. It's kind of funny because a lot of people think that the long commute led to the rise of the podcast, which facilitated or at least promoted dissident thought, you know, because you had this fusion of technology and circumstance.

You know, so terrestrial radio became less important. And that's a podcast or more, and then they had their clamped down on the internet about five, six years ago. It seemed way the internet was set up as a system of command control for a brief period. It provided this sort of this period of a thousand flowers blooming or a hundred flowers blooming, if you will. Now they're trying to cut them all down because how do you control it?

How do you corral all this now? And so now you have problems like, or just watching Jake, Jake Tapper or Tapir, what's his name? Tapper. Tapper, yeah. He's now calling for Congress to take legislative action against Parlor if, if Kanye West or Ye West buys it because of anti-Semitic talk. Now, I thought it was, if, you know, if, I mean, Twitter and YouTube and Facebook,

these are private companies, and what can you do? They have their standards. So it's not censorship because it's private companies. now he's openly calling to shut it down because of what might be said. So there's no principle. I like to use the phrase shut it down there because it recalls a meme. But it is funny to see them. Again, they lie to do anything because it's about power for them.

So they'll say anything. But as far as the, yeah, because, technology has a lot of people to be more dispersed, particularly with working. And there's also foster things like homeschooling. That's not something that the COVID lockdowns did. It exposed a lot of corruption in the system. So that might have been unforeseen, unintended consequence of this. But yeah, I do think, however, despite all that, is human beings, I mean, they've been building cities for a long time.

And you build cities for a reason because it's a center of trade. And that's why cities usually pop up on a river or on a coast somewhere. So there is some, I think, a man being a political animal, ultimately, the whole always cluster. And that's man's strength is that you cluster and you organize. And that's the strength that human beings have. And there's also the strength of certain groups of human beings have over others. The ability to do that better than others. you know, a group example would be like European versus African.

So they organize, you know, so they organize better. And one of the reasons why there's such an effort to deny those groups that advantage by forcing integration on them, you know, because you can't, you don't want to let people be left alone. they've always got to be messed with and experimented with. Because you leave them alone, they might sort these things out, and you'll see how things really are. It seems like someone's like free speech. Well, free speech is racist.

Well, yes, because free speech is honest. If you let people express themselves, you're going to hear, quote, racist things. So whatever that word means now. But it's one of those things. It's a little messy for some people, too messy for some people. I want to keep things organized and controlled. You would think that when they were doing all that with COVID, they would have had it in the back of their heads that if people are working from home,

that a lot of companies would decide they would, you know, well, hey, we don't have to pay for brick and mortar now. So we'll just cut back. Something tells me that they, there are contingencies for that. And that maybe the stay-at-home thing is, you know, leads towards climate change, you know, future climate catastrophes, quote unquote. So that, you know, I think they've probably taken that into consideration. Well, yeah, this is the pretext for, they call a climate lockdown. This is, they constantly repeat things like, you know, decarbonization, just presume that somehow, wait, is that even feasible?

I mean, is even desirable? Is carbon a problem? Remember, you had the same thing with, remember with, yeah, since when is carbon, you know, an dioxide, been up or dioxide had been a problem? I mean, it's a whole part of the, the environment, the atmosphere, you know? But, you know, they just take it for granted. And then then they use this excuse.

Then they use energy shortages, contrived energy shortages that are brought about by, either by their trade embargoes or the wars they create. or the labor shortage they create, and then they say, oh, well, now we've got to turn to green energy, which doesn't exist really when you look into it. You know, all the green energy they provide,

it actually is much more extractive and disruptive than so-called fossil fuels. But the energy system has always been manipulated, the markets have always been manipulated and controlled by cartels, you know. I still look back in 1920s, half of all vehicles were fueled by ethanol alcohol. Has anyone looked into reverting to ethanol alcohol, you know, to drive engines? Like, it's like, no one's even talking about that.

You know, that you can grow. It's not even extractive. But then again, if you can grow it, you can't control it. Then you have a whole monitor system is based on the controlling and throttling of energy. That's what we're seeing. There's so much geopolitical wrangling in Europe. And that's why they're actually flirting with it. nuclear war to maintain that dominance.

That's how crazy it is. Let's jump into something you've already touched on. It definitely seems, well, here, let me ask you this. What's your definition of culture? Culture? Yeah. It is a method of coping with, it's a method human beings developed to cope with nature.

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Explain that a little more. Well, again, it goes back to what are the advantages human beings that have over animals? One thing is language, logic, you know, we're moral creatures, these things. So from that imposable thumbs, right? Color vision, I think is what I understand. So from there, you can develop methods of social organization and custom where you can leverage these God-given divine spark that God gives us to create things. So you get things like architecture. The moment you're really good at hunting and you get a little surplus, the guy who's also good at drawing can then start to draw and provide art and get some of the food you.

get and then the economic exchange and these things you're a development of culture then with paints and then music and then producing you're making instruments and you're you're developing a culture music art um you start to think about the environment around you and um you know the moment you have a shelter over your head and you're a little warm we start to think a little bit and maybe you get a little leisure time and that's what you develop philosophy and you start to wonder about the world around you and it's it's it's divine or origins and then you get religion, you know. And then you start to be successful, start to think, think more of yourself, and you get the Renaissance and it all falls apart.

That's funny. Get too full of yourself and you're chastised again. So maybe we go through these cycles. So it seems that the best way to, you know, in Francis, Parkayaki talks about this in Imperium, the best way to conquer a people is to go in and distort their culture. Yes, and that's where, yeah, those who are good at that, yeah, you corrupt. And the guess way to distort the culture historically is corrupt their sexual morals for mores. And that's what, you know, insights like, that's why, you know, Willem Reich, Sigmund Freud, They all understood that. That's how you wage your revolution.

Because political revolution is too overt. You wage sexual revolution. You can undermine everything from the inside out, disrupt everything. And that's why it was so important to disperse these ethnic Catholics to the suburbs, where they could be easily corrupted and get on the plan. Get on the program, if you will. I asked somebody recently, you know, why they thought that porn was free on the internet. You know, YouTube has algorithms that if you play a snippet of a song, they just shut it down.

Immediately. And, you know, how is porn free? Well, you know, it's amateurs could upload it still. There are algorithms that could actually just wipe it out, make it so that it's not there. But, you know, and then, you know, you go back to, talked about this recently, you know, go back to the White Mar Republic and you look at people like Magnus Hirschfeld and the things he was doing with his Institute of Sex and how door was always open. And it was basically a gay brothel and they're doing transgender surgeries and things like that, you know, a hundred years ago. And, yeah, basically, then once I have to do. starts happening and people are like, wait a minute, you know, didn't used to be like this.

We need to stop this. And, you know, things happen. Things happen. Some people decide that they really need this to be dealt with. And, you know, you get people who rise up and they're like, well, we know how to deal with this. Yeah, the, uh, the, uh, the, something like transgenderism was just, to kind of sort of the reduction of sort of of of sexual freedom or sexual revolution

because you got to change your identity. But again, if you, people's expectations or understanding the nature of these things will affect how they, you know, how they think about things, whether it's birth control or abortion, you know, you get to corrupt or young girls, sexual morals, she gets pregnant. gets an abortion and then on she either has to acknowledge what she did what she did is wrong or just get angry you know and protest about it and become some of these you know discover five-star luxury at trump dunebag unwind in our luxurious spa savor sumptuous farm fresh dining relax in our exquisite accommodations step outside and be captivated by the wild atlantic surrounds your

five-star getaway where every detail is designed with you in mind. Give the gift of a unique experience this Christmas with vouchers from Trump-Dunbeg. Search Trump-Ireland gift vouchers. Trump on Thunbiog, Kush Faragea. Screaming harpies, you see. You know, with, you get your cross out of my crotch signs and things like that, vulgar signs. These people are really at that point. They're so damaged, they can't think clearly about these things. just the whole idea the contraceptive culture where you suggest the idea that sex is there for pleasure and not for uh for procreation and then anything gets the way of your pleasure you just want to shuffle aside not think about it and that's where you get abortion because the creation the reality of an unborn

child you know it tends to uh get in the way of you pursuing your pleasure uh but then again if sex is pleasure that you can do anything for it, right? So then people lose the idea that there is a logos meaning and purpose to sex, you know, and that's where you get the sexual perversion, and they can celebrate it and promote it. And of course, the people who think this way control the media, control Hollywood, they're in a position to promote it. And they also, not just to make it sort of something that's legitimate, they can actually get into the schools and promote it and get it young children, you know, and that's what they're doing now. Yeah. And it does, you don't have to be a, a hardcore Catholic or a hardcore Protestant,

hardcore Orthodox, whatever. And to look around and be like, wow, yeah, what, there has to be a lot of people who were involved in that whole 60s revolution kind of thing who are looking, who are looking around now, now we're older and now, you know, or boomers. and they're like, I think we might have screwed up here. Yeah, well, that's all part of the authoritarian personality, where they said that if you grew up in a family with a strong father figure, nurturing mother and family, you were authoritarian. At least you had the seed for authoritarianism.

And the way to change it is to break up the family, corrupt the morals, corrupt the sexual. And that's how they muted is. Yeah, because this is where Hitler came from, apparently. So normal behavior is authoritarian and fascist. So everyone's a fascist now if you're halfway normal. You know, they threw that term around now. It's more of a psychological assignation as opposed to a political. now. That's why you've Antifa

out there promoting degeneracy in many ways, because it's all part of that intersectionality you see on the left. Any manner of perversion, they all get together and promote it because part of the agenda. That's why Black Lives Matter was fighting the cisgender patriarchal family or something.

Whenever everyone knows, it was really the meltdown of a black family, which has created so much carnage and suffering in black communities. It made the ungovernable and disorderly, you know. But that's what they want, but they become a lump and proletariat.

They can unleash every so often, which we saw in 2020. But you can't blame, you can't blame them for doing that. I mean, come on, Tim, this is what they were taught. This is what they were, this is how they,

they're told they get justice. Yes. And so they're all, everyone's Rosa Parks or Martin Luther King. And anytime they're told to behave or sit down and stop disrupting class, they got to keep protesting, you know, or just shut up on a public transport or to be polite because they're all oppressed. They don't have to be polite anymore. And that's why what happened in the 60s, because then the public square became too disorderly.

So you shrink back into your house or something, you know, and you're not engaged in any public activities or anything. Or you go to the suburbs, you know, and just watch television, watch Hogan's heroes or F troopers. something. It was on TV at the time. Or Johnny Carson. Dating, dating myself here. But even though those shows predate me, I, you know, do the miracle of syndication I was exposed to them, you know. Yeah, that's what we, we grew up with. That's what our parents were watching. So that's what we ended up watching. Are they going to come for the suburbs?

I think they already are. I mean, they already, many ways, they've already sectioned, a lot of them. They've, from what I understand,

that recent joint has been to throw, dump a lot of, uh, underclass into the suburbs. You're seeing that. And for a while, it was a trend to reclaim the cities

because property values are shooting up. Like in cities like, uh, Philadelphia, some neighbors were being reclaimed gentrification. Um, but yeah, I mean,

any area that, which, which is, um, has, where the schools are too good, let's just say, the little target, you know. So in a way, there was a time when neighbor,

you know, you could protect your neighbor because you could have restrictive covenants or you just didn't have forced integration. That's one thing that they did in 1954 with the Brown versus Board of Education. They did away with, with, you know, with segregate, school segregation. The only problem is public schools were broken up by where people lived and people tend to live amongst people that they had things most common, particularly their ethnicity or race.

And so that's when they started the busing thing, you know, forced busing to mix things up to make things interesting, as they say. And that's they got all the riots like in Boston in the 1970s, which then the South East, the Irish were condemned in the media as being racist because they didn't want their kids being driven two hours to go to some school, you know, just to meet some judge's idea of equity. or, you know, his social experiment. Same with public housing.

They'll dump public housing. They already do it like with developments. They'll require a certain amount of low-income housing next to the development. So that that community is spiced up a little bit. But they're in a position new because now they're doing with war refugees, right? Yeah. You know, and we just saw last month, you know, political stunt with DeSantis, the governor of Texas, and various Democratic mayors,

shipping migrants in the various cities, sanctuary, so-called sanctuary cities, like New York, now they declare an emergency because they're sanctuary cities beginning with immigrants, but you're a sanctuary city. But obviously, that was a political stunt making a point. But the Biden administration, I think, had been caught flying thousands of people around the country, dumping them off in towns like in Pennsylvania, you know, in Colorado. Colorado and they're dispersing these people. You know, again, playing games. Of course, these migrants are coming from all around the world,

and there's any number of NGOs that are funded, well funded by the United Nations or the foundations. It's a similar game that was played in the 1960s and 70s when the Ford Foundation was doing this, you know, working with the Quakers, you know, to blockbuster and things like that in Philadelphia or in Boston or in Detroit. Great. But yeah, so you have organizations that are dedicated to the social engineering, experimenting with this. I think it's just an attempt to water down what remains of America's heritage, America.

You know, they talk about it. It's the browning of America. And if you talk about it, you don't agree with it. They deny it. If you agree with it, and they'll brag about it doing it. you know. Yeah. Although, although, stop noticing things,

Tim. Yeah. Although they, some of the Hispanic voting isn't going the way they think it should for and I understand. So-called Hispanic vote. I mean, you get enough Catholics and,

you know, they're like, wait a minute. I don't know about this. Yeah. And you saw the recent thing in Los Angeles with the city council. No. What happened?

Oh, the, tape of them told the Hispanics. I guess they're Mexican in Los Angeles and they're complaining about the blacks. There's one city council member who was a homosexual adopt a black kid and they called the kid

a monkey misbehaving. The tape was released. And it shows that brown people can be just as racist as white people, I guess. Even more racist. And, you know, of course, they apologize their resignation. But basically there's a dispute over boundaries and dividing up, I guess, large yes. And again, it just goes to show you that ethnic

politics is stronger than ever in America. It also shows sort of the fight you get. You know, when Los Angeles was overwhelmingly a white city and middle class was functioning. You do have this trend. As cities become more diverse, they collapse. Whether it's Detroit or Jackson, Mississippi or Baltimore, Maryland, you know, there is I don't see one example of one city that's black run that is any way competent or even reasonably well run. I think in the old day like daily Chicago, yeah, corrupt like any other municipal politics, but there is a level of competence that had to be maintained, which you just don't see that anymore. I don't know if it's even capable because if you go throughout Africa,

you ever see that show was that the document, Empire of Dust? No. With the Chinese in Africa trying to get things done. Good luck. With black labor. And so you kind of Hey, hey, hey, that black labor built to America.

Yes. Yeah. That's another thing we have to listen to. Yeah. But again, it just what happens when your ideology runs into reality, right? Yeah. Well, that's, and that is one of the hardest things that it took me to get over was that my ideology ran into reality. And then I realized that my ideology was not made for reality. And then I read a little bit. And I'm like, oh, most ideologies aren't made for reality. No ideology ever really gets implemented. So, you know, it's, basically overthrow the

overthrow the people who are in power now and replace it with your friends or you know Biden keeps giving speeches in front of lit backgrounds that make him look like he's, you know, speaking from the depths of hell. Yeah.

You see us chopping on an ice cream cone? I'm not worried about the dollar. I'm worried about the rest of the world. That says it all. Oh, man. Give me the robber barons back, please. I know.

Well, it also shows you that you can have really bad white incompetence, too, hasn't it? Well, yeah. I think they're just like in the looting phase. They don't care. I think they're the, yeah, they're the vandals that are hired to come in and just destroy things. Yeah. At this point. The apologies are so stupid.

so irrational. It's, you know, it beggars any, any explanation. I, I, it's just, it's, what,

what is Charles Haywood call it? Um, end stage leftism or late stage leftism. Something like that. It's just, it's exactly what it is. And people are like, oh,

well, we've seen this before. I'm like, uh, possibly. That you have, it, not in a,

Not in a, you know, four-hour news cycle where everything is at your fingertips in a second. And all you have to do is go to Twitter and you can find out, you know, you know, what happened five minutes ago halfway around the world. So, you know, we're, you know, it's like I've said, I said about a year ago, I said, we're living in a banana republic with air conditioning. And, you know, it was just, we're waiting for it to, um, huh? I mean, if we were in Europe, we wouldn't even have air conditioning because we wouldn't have power. No. Yeah, wait for lights to go off. That was interviewing a couple Australians and not Australians.

I'm sorry. I am sorry, guys. I'm sorry, Ernst and Robert, but a couple South Africans. And right in the middle of the interview, one of them, their lights went out. It was just. Oh, yeah, I listened to that one. Yeah. They're describing it.

Yeah. Just a brownout. In America, America just studies what happened in South Africa. I mean, it's history because they really don't have an understanding of that country's history. Well, I mean, it was their history started and ended with apartheid. So, I mean, you're not allowed to talk about anything else. But again, does a small minority culture of a right to defend itself?

Most people would say yes. Well, that's what the Afrikaner. That's what apartheid was. Given, and again, they don't understand the Democrat, you know, what happened. They brought in cheap labor. Then they brought in Indians because they couldn't rely on the... And who did it? The Oppenheimer's and the Rothschilds.

And they, that's what they flooded, they tried to flood the country and changed the politics. And that's where you had this nationalist revolt in the mid-20. You know, the 1948 was the nationalist election, but it was accustomed before that. But that's how they tried to preserve it. and but everyone saw it as an analog to America's civil rights system. And they thought that the country was like stolen from them. As if, you know, they, as if the Zulus built Johannesburg or something and then they that showed up and took it away from them or something.

Yeah, just people don't understand the history there. And again, they pat themselves in the back for opposing them apart. I remember back in the 80s when everyone had to go get arrested outside the South African embassy. I was telling a friend this week that one of my expulsions in high school was a, I went to Catholic school and it was, they brought in a black African brother and he just would not stop talking about South Africa and this. And then one day he just goes, you know, and you're going to be seeing me get arrested outside of the South African emitsy. And I was, would it be, would you be shocked to find out I was a mouthy kid? And I said, why would you do this?

Why would you do this for people halfway around the world when, you know, we have people here who are suffering? And I mean, I literally, I mean, he took me to the woodshed and basically, I mean, I got, I got expelled. Fascinate question. This is a Catholic school. Yep. Yeah, that goes another angle to this. urban neighborhood was how the Catholic Church sold the Irish out and the polls out. Oh, that school was in the Bronx, and it was, I would say, 70%, 70, 75% black and Hispanic.

And this is in the mid-80s. Mid-80s, yeah. The idea, when you had groups like the Catholic interracial counsel, and the Catholic Church got on this kick of racial equality. and equality. That's like a French Revolution idea. What's the Catholic Church? It wasn't a part of Catholic doctrine. That's what the Republicans were talking about in Spain when they were murdering priests and raping nuns and fucking mutilating their bodies and then digging them up to mutilate their bodies again. Yeah, but there was an account, I think it was in Detroit where a priest wrote a letter and even use the N-word. And he said, why are you shipping all these ends and destroying our neighborhood?

He was like, you know, because it's destroying the, he says, well, you know, blacks are children, you know, children of God too. Well, I know that, but why are you ruining my neighborhood? You know, it's like, well, what is this talk? No one's disputing that. We ever, there's a problem here. And the idea was the decision, I think it was in Philadelphia called a Dardarity decided, instead of creating a black Catholic parish, you want to integrate it. destroying the ethnic homogeneity of the

neighborhood and then hence its power. That's the one thing they didn't understand. There was, John Cardinal Crowe was the Archbishop of the Philadelphia Diocese in the 50s and 60s, and also during Vatican 2, a lot was going on there. And Michael Jones wrote a book about

John Carter and Crowe in the Cultural Revolution, and then this was got a lot of information from, and it focuses on the Most Blessed and Parish in Philadelphia and how it was destroyed. And he did all this research, You know, about the Ford Foundation, the Quakers. And again, it's funny, why would the Ford Foundation, a bunch of white guys want to shoot a bunch of blacks live with Irish?

You know, a bunch of wasps working at the Ford Foundation want to do that. You know, working with Leo Faf at the American Jewish Committee. And these lawyers are at the same time expunging God from the public schools, the name of liberty. And pluralism, by the way. Like how pluralistic we are now with, you know, with social credit scores and all that. So obviously something else was going. It wasn't liberal Democrat. It wasn't.

He was much more going on there. But that's what he discovered with his research. And basically he was saying this was an ethnic cleansing operation. They were destroying your parish here, which is a source of much of the vocations and education and the cultural influence that the church enjoyed in mid-century America. They're destroying with integration. He said he confronted Carter Kroll with this.

he said, if you were ahead of the De Beers Mining Company and someone came in and started flooding it, would you just let that happen? Because this is the same thing, this is what they were doing with these neighborhoods by flooding it with blacks from South Carolina, destroying the neighborhood,

and then all of a sudden, but the problem is the archdiocese, when people moved out to the suburbs, they're still part of the archdiocese. But the political dynamic, the social dynamic was lost because you lost the concentrated, the density in the community,

which is a source of Catholic identity, sent them out of the suburbs. They may go to church for a little while, but they'll stop. They'll stop really identifying as Catholics, and do in order they're able to organize, and elect senators that hold back birth control legislation, abortion legislation.

He's like that. But he's confronting the Cardinal with all this strategy and psychological warfare. He says they're ruining your neighborhood and all that, moving people in using busing or integration, rather. And his response was, you can't tell people where to live. completely oblivious to the psychological warfare,

you know, the idea that consent can be managed or created, manipulated, coerced in a way. Again, so without the church having a sophisticated understanding of psychological warfare, he was going to lose the cultural war in which it's been losing ever since because it doesn't understand these things.

He saw it as the people was moving where they want to live. They weren't. They were being forced out. And then being subjected to psychological warfare. At the same time, he let the production code collapse. under his reign because the demographics were collapsing and supported the power of the production because the production goes backed up by the Catholic threat to boycott.

But you can't threat the boycott because no one listens to the boycott if they're in suburbia. They only organize or cooperate the boycott if they're in a dense Catholic neighborhood where they're all Catholic and they all listen to the bishop or the Cardinal or the Montsignor, whatever. So the dynamic was law. They didn't understand that, how important demographics, the importance of demographics played in the apportionment of political power in the country, which is why the neighbors were destroyed. Those in power did. So that's the tragedy of the American Catholic Church in the mid-20th century.

Did you see the, with the whole JQ being out there by Kanye and everything that Norman Lear on Twitter is telling stories about when he was a kid turning on the radio and hearing this god-awful Father Coughlin. you know, questioning. It's like, what was that? What was that book? You ever heard of book that's called Hitler and Hollywood? Where it's like the ADL, like put out this book about, you know, talking about in the 30s, all the fascists that were in Hollywood and everything. Oh, yeah, yes, yeah.

They put all these like, they put all these statistics in there. It's like in, and in, and in the, and in 1936, 85% of Americans questions. and whether Jews had too much power. And it's like, did you really just feed us that information? Wow. Did you think about that before you wrote this? It's like, I mean, that's going to cause some people to go, I wonder why? Is it just 85% of the country was anti-Semitic at the time?

Is that what you're telling me by writing this book? I mean, this book that was commissioned by the ADL. Yeah. And the Ken Burns' latest documentary is full of that contradictory information. Apparently contradicting the little claim you know that Hollywood there were pro-German movies

but Hollywood at the same time was mobilized to fight Hitler. Well, which is it? You mean all the Germans that controlled the studios at the time like Jack Warner or like what are you talking about? You know, But yeah, it's one of the, yeah, so at the time, any of the Senate of the United States questioned Jewish power.

Well, did Jews have power? Yes. Should it be questioned? No? What's that? Are we not supposed to question people in power? I mean, what about? Just a certain people.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, do, I mean, is Hollywood largely Jewish town? Much of will say yes. Does Hollywood, has Hollywood? exert a lot of influence on American culture. Yes, has it been a good influence. Many people say no.

Well, then who's responsible for it? The people that control it? Oh, okay. It has to be the racist. But then that's the sin of pattern recognition. Yeah, yeah. I wish I didn't recognize patterns. It was just life would be so much easier.

Tim, why don't you tell everybody where they can find your work and hold on this? Okay. Well, yeah, just our interesting times, it's on Podomatic, also on Odyssey. You know, usually try to punch out an interview a week. I do a weekly show with Joe Atwell, of course. It's Powers and Principalities that's on that platform. And you just follow it there. Provide a link, whatever.

I will take care of that. I will put it in the show notes as I did last time. And I just want to thank you. It's great talking to you, always. certainly welcome you have a good good night then you too bye bye bye bye i want to welcome everyone back to the peeking yonez show tim tim tim very well how about yourself good good why don't you uh i mean i don't know what number appearances is uh but remind everybody if this might be the first time they're hearing you tell a little bit about yourself oh okay well i'm just a

regular joe as they say uh family man working man, not necessarily hardworking, I guess, but working. I host the Our Interesting Times podcast. So I guess what have we come up? A little over eight years now, when time flies. And also do the powers of Prince of Pallas, which is kind of a weekly chat I have with the infamous Joe Atwell. And we cover any number of topics, sometimes it's topical,

sometimes it's a historical matter. We kind of blend the two in this. My program is kind of the same. The our interesting times program is interviewing people, authors, activists, writers, that sort of thing, you know, about the things that make our time so interesting in the worst sense, you know, like in the Chinese curse. Yes, absolutely. So I guess the reason I asked you to come on was to do a little bit of, like, what you do in powers and principalities.

talk about some current events, but this, this one's specific. We're going to talk about one man and some of the things he's been saying in public recently, and specifically one person that he interviewed. So what's generally your take on Tucker Carlson? I've talked to some people who think that he's a limited hangout and agent. I don't think it's that quite cut and dry or. clear. I mean, he has a media figure. He was given a huge platform on Fox News, and that's, you know, obviously grounds for suspicion right there. But the liberal system we live under,

the reason why it's so effective is that it allows for a certain degree of political debate, you know, the Overton window. There's a certain, that appears to be closing. Some say it's widening as consciousness increases. But nevertheless, the system is very good at sort of giving us people that show us a little leg, so to speak, whether it's for Tucker Carlson or it's what's his name with The New York Times, you know, the guy he wrote about the pipeline. Seymour Hirsch. Seymour Hershey, good stuff. I can't say that I know. So some people say I know he's a show or he's not.

He may know what he's allowed to do, and he may know how far he can go. he often sends out an awful lot of dog whistles, you know, on some of these issues. I still think he thinks he's, I think he's still a liberal at heart, you know, in the lowercase form. And he believes in the Constitution and the American system and contending parties and the First Amendment and these things. And I think right now he's being a little red-pilled on some of these matters, which explains perhaps some of his material he's released lately, whether it's

you know, now he's talking about Larry Sinclair, you know, taking us back to 2008 with the Obama thing or that video that has sent you today. You know, so again, I don't know. I've interviewed people who think that he's just a shell. He's just there to, is it sort of a release valve? That's a possibility.

It's also just a possibility that he knows how far he can go. He just certainly comes from a family that has connections. I think he is a trust fund baby, a very wealthy family. His father was tied in, I think was at the Swanson. Oh, he was a, well, I think he's part of the Swanson family, but his dad also was, what is it? Radio Free Europe or something. Radio Fury, yeah, yeah, one of those one of those propaganda outfits. Yeah. And so it's tied into, obviously to CIA and the intelligence, you know, agencies of the United States.

His father was also an ambassador, which is often the case, CAA, embassies. It's kind of like it's all intertwined, concentric circles. There's no real clear demarcation there. And didn't Tucker also have aspirations working for the central intelligence agency sometime? That is the word, yes, that much like another person, Anderson Cooper. Yes, except our guy likes girls. So the, that doesn't, I mean, some people think if someone comes from, you know, he talks about being in the Beltway too and everyone in that video, essentially,

everyone's sort of parasitically living off government and that affects their outview and their worldview, their cosmology, if you will, their perception of things, what they can say, what they're allowed to say, what they even dare to think in many respects. And many times he's in various interviews, he's talked about himself as he's reflected back as he's in middle age, some of the things he thought when he was a young man, his perception has changed, which is natural. As you get older, you see things differently. And a lot of the things going back to the 80s, you know, you see the things that people did. We can talk about this, whether it's the, you know, the dirty wars in Central America, fighting communism, these things. How can they do these things? How can they be involved in shipping cocaine? into the country to sell arms to fight communist. Well, if you're a cold warrior, you can see just how that's justified in many ways. And this is kind of like what the Cold War did. It was the 50-year wound that kind of killed whatever remained of the American Republic. First of, you know, the World Wars

and the Cold War and sort of this creation of this perennial bureaucracies and central intelligence that Wilmuff Buckley who wrote in Commonwealth, will. You said that conservatives just sort of telling the old right to give it up. You can't fight that the warfare state and that we have to accept, you know, a big government, socialism, central intelligence for the duration of the conflict. Of course, we know the conflict never ends. It just changes. It warps. It comes something else, whether it's communism, the terrorism, and then terrorism into a virus and virus back into a dirty communists and the, or commie Nazis now with Putin, you know, that never changes. Never a dull moment. There's never a crisis.

There's never some problem that the big government have to come right in like the cavalry and save us all. And I think Tucker and some of his appearances has addressed this, how, you know, he's now seeing it for what the fraud it is and not what it's become for what it's always been. You know, so that isn't the say that I don't know the man. So I know people who know him, you know, I know that, but that's here. So yeah, I know I know people who know him too. And yeah. But all right. So this Larry Sinclair thing just was completely out of nowhere.

I mean, I'm sure there are still some blogs out there from 2008 where I mentioned Larry Sinclair. I think it's funny that there is people who probably had never heard his name before because, you know, I'm old. And I remember this. I remember clearly this story. and it was so, you know, fantastical that I had to mention in a couple of my blog posts from back in 2007 and 2008. This is the guy who had the National Press Club thing, right? He was at the National Press Club and he made all these charges, formal charges and affidavits and everything, right? Yeah.

Yeah. All right. So let's, you sent me this and this talks a little more. It talks a little bit about Larry Sinclair. It's, it's Tucker talking about St. Clair, but he's also talking about the press. And basically what the press, when this story was making the rounds in 2008, how the press was told to handle it. So let me share this.

Let me play this. You know, everybody I knew, the world I lived in in Northwest D.C., like everyone works either directly for the government or is a parasite on government, effectively, including people I love and know really well. And the media is, too, by the way. I mean, the media is reporting on government, but it's also dependent on government. You know, in 2008, it became really clear that Barack Obama had been having sex with men and smoking crack. And a guy came forward, Larry Sinclair, and said, I'll sign an affidavit.

And he did. I'll take a lie detector. And he did. I smoked crack with Barack Obama and had sex with them. Well, that was obviously true. Nobody reported it, not because they were squeamish about sex or drugs, but because the Obama campaign said, anyone who reports in this gets no access to the Obama campaign. And so they didn't report on it.

So that happens, that's just one small example, but that happens all the time with lots of different issues. Do you believe that transpired, or do you believe the guy is legitimate or both? Oh, the Larry Sinclair story? Oh, that definitely happened. Oh, for sure. I mean, I've talked to Larry Sinclair about it,

and oh, definitely it happened. I mean, if you, Larry Sinclair's been in and out of prison, during one period, I mean, you know, 40 years ago, he was in an out of prison. He's got a criminal record by definition. He's, you know, poor. He's got a disordered life. He's missing a tooth. Like, he's not, you know, an Atlantic fellow.

He's not going to the Aspen Ideas Festival. I think he has a record of deception. Obviously, he does. But this story, if you listen to it in detail, is clearly true. I mean, there's just, I mean, I'm going to do an interview with him. you can hear it. And again, it's not going to change the world that Barack Obama likes dudes. I think this was well known. Barack Obama said so himself in a letter to his girlfriend. And by the way, that's kind of Barack Obama's business. I'm not attacking him for liking dudes.

I'm just saying the amount of lying in the media about it was unbelievable. Like, people knew this was true. And it was quite obviously true at the time. And people who covered the campaign didn't say anything about it because they didn't want to lose access to the campaign. And that happens all the time up and down government. So it's almost like if you have a housekeeper, you think, oh, you know, she works for me. But if you have a housekeeper long enough, you realize, well, you actually work for her. And you get caught up in her dramas. You know what I mean?

Yeah. There's a weird dynamic where you switch places with people. Oh, and by the way, fire her abruptly and she'll write a tell-all book about Tucker at home. That's exactly right. and, you know, we don't even have full-time housekeeper, so, like, that's not going to be an issue for me. But the point is, you think you're holding government accountable, but actually they're controlling you. That's really the dynamic in Washington, but, you know, you're living in the soup, and it's hard to see it at work. And this is a long way of saying the conclusions I've reached are middle-aged conclusions.

And that's a lot of it. It's just that I've gotten older, and you can't see certain things when you're younger. And it's like young people, you'd think they'd be the most open-minded of all. they're the least open-minded because they're afraid of the future. So they want to believe whatever storyline they've been fed is true. Like the only problem with America is white supremacy and like our tax system is fair and Kennedy was assassinated by a lone gunman or whatever. They don't want to, they don't want to face like the terrifying unknown and complexities

of the actual world we live in, the reality of life, which is like, we have no freaking idea. for what's going actually. They don't want to admit that. So there's a lot there. I don't, I think probably the... Did you catch the headline behind him in the newspaper?

Yeah. The, I think... Roosevelt's dead. Okay. Yeah. If only the New Deal regime was dead. Yeah. I think probably the thing that people would take away from that and would be least surprised with us the fact that the campaign would say, you run with us and you're not getting an interview.

I mean, I think we know that happens. And I think pretty much everyone knows that happens. Yeah, and ordinarily, you think because you have the First Amendment and the free press, we'll say, okay, and the front page, New York Times would be a bomber campaign threatens not to give press access to those reports. the story and that would be the big story. But no, it's apparently, you know, idea of the free press, holding politicians accountable, writing these stories. Obviously, the public interest in this story back then and perhaps even now is that you have a politician who they can't even manifest a birth certificate, right?

We don't know who actually, whose biological father is. it kind of I think was maybe perhaps conceived and attest to with the C at Langley I know see that tongue in cheek of course but the um the idea this one this guy's you know he's a drug abuser and involved in and a deviant sexual activity which of course can be used uh I think still can be used as black man material it's a compromise material and so it's that that's the public interest in these it's not the salaciousness of it it's not like ooh what is he doing it's the fact that you have politicians who are sexual degenerates who have files on them. And whether it's CIA, FBI, or Mossad, or some other affid sub agency that has them under control.

And so our elected government, the government that we're presented with isn't into control. And that's obvious today. And maybe the issue is today is it's obvious that Joe Biden, you know, isn't in control of his day-to-day affairs, much as the government. And so who's in really in control? And some people have suggested that, the faction that's really running things in the White House is Barack Obama and company. And obviously, some of the people who are Brock Obama's administration, Samantha Powers, and Susan Rice are all back in there.

And they're calling the shots. Of course, they're not really calling the shots because they're just doing the bidding of the oligarchs, the big donors and the plutocrats who actually run things. Okay. So this was my question when I saw this. Okay. So Larry Sinclair gets brought up. I remember this from 15 years ago.

16 years ago. Why? What is the purpose of Tucker doing an interview with this man now? Obama's not in the White House. Like you said, he's probably calling the shots with Susan Rice and, you know, Victoria Newland in the background. But why? What is, why this?

Why now? I don't know. Maybe it's a end run. behind and run around or not an end but sorry and interference attempt with Michelle Obama's political ambitions maybe that's something to do with it maybe she there's been talk of that there's always just the the fact it's a salacious story um there's always that right uh it is again rather if you think about it I mean that this would come out and In fact, there were not only were the Laris and Clair's accusation, I think there were a couple of people who died rather conveniently who claimed to be involved, too, with Barack Obama in Chicago.

So, again, it's, you know, why does he talk about UFOs? Yeah. Well, here's my question is, I know that Joe Biden is not in charge. I know that most of the people putting news out there are not it. Most of the talking heads are not in charge. They're just reading something that someone else has given them. And they basically said years ago that they get, they get information from the CIA and they don't even fact.

How can they fact check it? They just, you know, mockingbird media. It is, is some elite. faction or some elite at you know telling tucker to do this is there somebody out there who i think believing that tucker is you know just out there all on his own on an island and everything i mean that especially considering his background where he's been you know where he's from that that would probably be naive so is you know what is this you know i think

the purpose, you're just asking, what's the purpose of him doing this? And if somebody is behind this, if somebody told them, hey, why don't you talk about this? You know, what is, who are they and what is their purpose for doing it? Are they on the right? You know, are they, you know, quote, unquote, on the American right, trying to do damage and trying to, you know, make sure that Mike Obama, you know, doesn't run for president? Or is it, um, you know, Um, you know, or is it something else? I, I, the, the, one of the first things I thought when I saw him doing this was somebody may have told him to do this and that seems to make a lot of sense to me.

Yeah. It's, uh, again, it just, it demonstrates sort of the, the degenerate, uh, nature of our political class. And, um, remember, Barack Obama came out against gay marriage in 2008, sort of Hillary. Clinton. And, you know, within, I think it was since, and then 2015, they supported the Supreme Court's, you know, Obigafel decision that found a constitutional right to gay marriage in the 14th Amendment.

Then, thereby imposing it on the country. I think it had failed in every referendum that had been put up for the public. Even in Hawaii and California, it failed, the very liberal states. There's always an element of sort of, when you talk about this type of stuff in the public, it pushes the public in a certain direction. Look what the Clinton Lewinsky thing did. Every day, for a better part of a year, was talking about what the meaning of what sex is

or oral sex, the president, you know, presidential knee pads. It just sort of debased the country. The whole scandal did because the whole public discourse, what was discussed in the news. And so that's sort of the effect of these things. But then, you know, you have a president of the United States, again, who came out of nowhere, by the he was a state senator, turned senator.

I think didn't someone have to die for him? I think for state senators, the guy suddenly died, right? Held a seat. Well, I know the very first, like, election that he ever won in Chicago, they took the legal route of just, basically getting all of his opponents disqualified from the ballot. Yeah. And then there was the Senate opponent. It had the sealed information from his divorce leaked.

There was that actress. Some stuff came out. Of course, it was leaked from the court illegally. And of course, that helped Obama in the in the, in the, in his 2000. He was elected in 2006. He never served a full term in the U.S. Senate. And there is, two years later, he's elected president. United States, you know, with a very shady, mysterious sort of background.

Then the whole thing with his mother, remember his mother? Remember those pornography photos of her? Yeah. Well, I mean, it seems like she may have been working for the CIA as a honeypot. There's that. And then her, I believe, her Obama's grandmother, yeah, worked for a bank that was tied to the CIA, in Indonesia. I know her,

his mother and Timothy Geithner's mother were like really close back in the day. You know, it's like Barack Obama didn't come out of nowhere. He didn't come out of Chicago. He didn't come out of Hawaii. He came from a family. He came from a mother who had connections to some of the most powerful people in the country. And of course,

there was Billy Ayers, right, who probably ghost wrote his book. Billy Ayers and, of course, Bernardine Dorn, these, you know, of the weather underground. You know, Billy Ayers, famous, I think he's one that said, guilty as hell, free as a bird, what a country. These were terrorists, and these are the people that mentored Barack Obama.

These are domestic terrorists. And we're lectured today about how people who protest a question of election, how they're insurrectionists and terrorists. But then there's Barack Obama. Mama has no problem hanging out with the likes of Billy Ayers and Bruntony Dorenne. He's a tenured. I think now was a reason to retire, but she was a tenured law professor after, you know, blowing up buildings and these things.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So the other video we had was I watched this about a week and a half ago. And I contemplated whether I wanted to just because. you know, it's a week and a half old and when you have five minute news cycles. But I think some of the things that Tucker says in this, in this speech, it's a speech. He went to Hungary.

And I don't know if everyone's heard this, but he gave this speech in Hungary. And it was one of those speeches that really just kind of floored me because you normally do not have somebody who's considered to be on the right who will go to another country and a lot. apologize for his country, for his government, you know, mostly for his government. And, you know, that used to be whenever a left winger did that, you know,

famously John Kerry was accused of doing that over and over again. You know, he was, the word treason was thrown around. And Tucker went and, went on the attack. And I just think that some of the things he says in here just really should be not only examined and talked about and discussed, but also just if people

haven't heard this, just exactly how, I mean, it was jaw-dropping for me when I heard it. What about when you heard it? Yeah, I mean, it was a candid speech, something that you wouldn't expect to hear, but given just how weird things have gotten in the past few years, nothing really should surprise us anymore. he went to Hungary and apologized for the U.S. government, in particular, this guy, David Presbyn, who was the ambassador to Hungary. He is a Jewish homosexual gay rights activist lawyer, and he's the ambassador, and he called him a creep.

And the ambassador, he called out Presbyn for sort of subverting the custom laws of that society. telling them that they have to embrace LGBT rights or they're just not considered a part of the family of nations anymore. And this is, again, in the speech, he talks about how this is very provocative. It's not something that an ambassador that is supposed to do, elector a country how they should be more like, should be more degenerate. But that's a posture that the U.S. government has taken in the past few years. whether it's Hungary or in the other country.

I think it was, or the Secretary of State, Anthony Blinken talks about how he, he's always bringing up gay rights when he's meeting or like with the Saudi ambassador. They must think he is a real problem. But again, this global homo agenda. And it's interesting, it's hungry, because Hungary was the, of course, the country that had the, one of the earliest commerce regimes,

It was a Hungarian Soviet in 1919 that was short-lived. And it was under Bellacoon, and his cultural minister was Gregor Lukacs, who tried to impose sort of an expedited cultural revolution in order to, I guess, destroy the traditional society and make it more amenable to, you know, Marxist, I guess, ideas. is. And I think Belakoun was murdered, put up against the wall and shot, and I think Lukak's high-tailed out of there and only returned after World War II when the communist were installed,

you know, on the back of, in the backs of Soviet tanks. I think he died in Hungary in the early 80s or something. But again, it's, yeah, he, again, he's calling out this global homo agenda that many people are kind of aware of now. The U.S. government seems so intent

on advancing this agenda in traditional societies like Hungary. We'll start playing some of this. And tell me to stop whenever you wish. Yeah, of course, right in the beginning, he's just going to do his typical pleasantries and have some fun with the Hungarian people there and talk about how much he loves Hungary. But I think this will be pretty good.

So we'll start playing this. It is so nice. to be in this retrograde right-wing hellscape. This is my second time in Hungary, and both times have had exactly the same reaction. First, well, the first reaction, if I'm being honest, is the food is amazing. The second reaction is, I have no hope in this lifetime of speaking Hungarian, but I admire it. And the third reaction is this does not seem like a right-wing hellscape to me at all. It actually seems very much like the country that I grew up in. It seems like America circa 1985, you know, where there's a big bulk of normal people who aren't

that interested in politics, then you have people on both sides who are each making their case, and there's a vigorous public discussion about that, and people disagree, but they're not on the verge of shooting each other. It's all kind of normal. That's the way it seems to me. So if this qualifies as a dangerous rogue right-wing country, I'm thinking maybe the top of The terms have changed a little bit since my childhood. And that leads me to the apology that I want to begin my remarks by giving you as an American.

I'm 54, so I've watched my country for a long time and I'm loyal to it. I will never leave. I don't have another passport. I love the United States. For all its flaws, as you do when you're from somewhere, it's like your own family. It's imperfect, but it's yours. And so you love it. And that's how I feel about the U.S.

And so I'm not in the habit of apologizing. for the United States. In fact, I don't think I ever have. But the behavior of the American ambassador to Hungary makes me want to apologize. It's disgusting and inexcusable. It's also so far from the norms of diplomacy in my country that it's hard for me to believe that David Pressman is actually doing what he's doing. And I say that as someone who spent his life 35 years in Washington. I'm the son of a diplomat. So I have maybe better than average sense of what diplomacy is. Diplomacy is a pretty simple concept.

It's the business of, often the art of, convincing other countries to take your side on matters that help you. And the entire premise behind diplomacy is countries are different. They're not all the same. They have different languages and histories and religions and cultures, and they're hard to understand. And that's why you hire people who can understand them, who speak the language,

the language who are on some level sympathetic maybe. And then you send those people to the other country, you try to convince that country, whether it's an ally or a potential ally or even an enemy, to take your side on an issue that helps you. That's the whole point of diplomacy, is to convince other nations to take your side. The point of diplomacy is not to hector other nations for its own sake. To show up in somebody else's country and scream at them because they're different from you, because they have a different history or language or religion or culture. That is the opposite of diplomacy. It does not serve the interests of the country that sent you. It harms them. And so for a creep like David Pressman, who is not a diplomat,

who was a political activist and Biden donor, to show up in your country and lecture you about your culture and threaten you because you do things differently from the way they do things where he lives, hurts the United States and is a grave embarrassment to me as an American and an outrage to me as someone who pays his salary. It's disgusting. And I would say that, I would say that even if I agreed with what he was saying, it's not simply that I agree with you and don't agree with David Pressman. It's that as an American, he's not serving my interest, he's hurting them. If he showed up or a so-called diplomat from the Biden administration, showed up and say Bahrain or Qatar or UAE or some important Gulf State and started lecturing

them about how it's wrong to venerate a 7th century goat herder. I'm not a Muslim, but I would be gravely offended by that. Because it's not the business of the U.S. government what you believe. It's not our job to tear down and assault your culture. It's the job of our business. diplomats to win you to our side. All right. So a question there.

I mean, obviously he's talking about global homo there. Is he also in another way, people who would hear this, Americans who would hear it, people who would hear it talking about American foreign policy, what's happening in Ukraine, the fact that he talks about it's not our job to go and do it. basically anywhere you go in Europe, people speak English. Obviously, you listen to the crowd,

they can understand them, yeah. Yeah. And why? Because there's an American empire. And is that, is that the even bigger message that he is delivering here? Yeah.

So the lingual frank is English now. And enables him to give his speech. It also enables the American empire to, you know, to spread its, it's evil doctrines. And one of that, of course,

a big part of that is now global homo because that sort of supports the sort of the global capitalist agenda, breaking down local, you know, sort of national barriers, ethnic identity, traditions and customs that are resistant to, you know, the empire.

And part of that is religious and moral. And we see one constant we see now in U.S. foreign policy is actively promoting sexual degeneracy under the guise of freedom. Everywhere the American flag goes, a rainbow flag goes now. So you see it, I mean, I think it was Jamie Raskin, the Congressman from Maryland,

who said that one of the primary reasons U.S. government has to aid the Ukrainians in fighting Russia is because Russia is an Orthodox Christian country. It opposes LGBTQ rights. And that's so, because it opposes global homo because it's a traditional society. I thought Ukraine was an Orthodox Christian society. Well, it is for the population, just the government's Jewish.

There you go. Yeah. I think Lilliski just bought a mansion. So on his salary, he's very good with money. So it's, yeah, this is all part of that, sort of the war on the normal that the West is waging. Because they want to, again, create, in all these societies, atomized, you know, degenerate individuals who are easily, I guess, manipulated. And you want to destroy traditional Hungarian society. It's a Christian country.

You have to smash that agenda. I mean, sorry, that identity, rather, and the way you smash that identity is destroy its morals. That goes back to Gregor Lukacs. And, of course, I'm guilty of padding recognition here, David Presman, Gregor Lukox, Jamie Raskin, Anthony Blinken, the neocons. You know, these neocons, another interview that he had was with Colonel McGregor. And Colonel McGregor was talking about the neocons who emigrated from the peril of the settlement. It's, yeah, that's, yeah, that was rather interesting. Yeah, the, we knew what he was saying.

Yes. He knew he was saying. He knew he was saying. We knew he was saying. Tucker knew he was saying. He just didn't say it. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. They're, the goal is to, um, secularize them. economize them making everything is about the secular culture everything's you're now little economic units and you're fungible and to deracinate them from you know from historically who they are yeah and it prevents them from developing uh i i decided to talk with david rome off talking about how the idea of the laws of nations and development how the idea is to develop nations and you develop peoples and that's you don't promote you know sort of homogenization and integration you have to develop the peoples that they're distinct cultures but that is a an eth and

an ethema to globalism because you create barriers and borders and things like you know things that real diversity you know which is an impediment uh into this globalist agenda yeah and these eastern European countries are kind of like that because oddly enough they were protected during the colder from the sort of the degeneracy that overtook the West. Capitalism, I think they realized capital is a far more effective tool

in breaking in doing these things. Inslaving people breaking these things down than communism was because it's seductive as opposed to being tyrannical or oppressive. It doesn't rely on force. It relies on seduction. It will resorts. to force and just call it something else, as you can see.

So, in many cases. Careful, Tim. You're starting to sound like one of those people. You know, that's not very American of you. I would like if Colonel McGregor just said, instead of neocons who have this ancestral hatred of Russia or animosity, he just said crazy Jews. And by the way, I'm distinguishing them from the rational sane Jews, by the way. So I'm crazy. Correct.

Correct. All right. Let's listen a little more of this. Not to enrage you for no reason. And David Pressman is doing this not on behalf of the American people who do not share his views and is measurable in our public opinion polling. He's doing it on behalf of a tiny percentage of the American population on behalf of an interest group, the human rights campaign, carrying their water under the U.S. flag paid by U.S. taxpayers to this country to attack you because you have views he doesn't like. That never happened before.

I don't think that's happened in my lifetime. Nobody from the State Department could get away with that. Interesting human rights campaign fund. Okay. That's a Jewish outfit. And it's only power it has is because it's backed by outfits like Black Rock, another Jewish outfit. You know, a tiny minority, but it's a.

power, people aren't genuflecting or bowing to the Human Rights Campaign Fund. They bow down to it or they back down to it because the power behind it. And that's for Black Rock with ESG. And that's why Pepsi or, you know, I'm sorry, Bud Light had Dylan Mulvaney on and did so much damage to his product, which is brand name because they were told by the human camera, by BlackRock. If they don't give into this, they lose, you know, they lose their stock would lose value. They lose their access to investment. So they're willing to take a hit on their profits. You know, so.

Yeah, what I wish he would say is that, you know, they're going over there and, you know, Jamie Pressman is, is that what was the name, Jamie Pressman? David Pressman. David Pressman. Yeah. Well, how could I forget that? Jamie Raskin was the conch. Jamie Raskin. Yeah.

David, David. The, it's talking about how they go over there and they browbeat them. Well, I mean, they're imprisoning people here for having the opinions that they're trying to pass along over there. I mean, Tucker could rightly say, look, they're imprisoning people in our country for having the, for having opinions that are against David Pressman. Have you heard about the United States going to war and invading other countries who don't agree with them? Because there's a war on the home front now. And we know that there were in Afghanistan and Kabul, there was a George Floyd mural. They were teaching, teaching girls about gender studies and things like that.

I mean, he could very well use Americans as examples as to if you don't, if you don't get in line, this could happen to this country. Mm-hmm. And this idea of these ambassadors, I remember this was late 90s, I think the latter couple years of the Clinton administration, the second Clinton administration, where he appointed, um, James Hormel. He was, again, heir to the Hormel meatpacking family, Hormel, Chile, and these things. He was appointed, I think, the ambassador of Lexenburg,

which is a Catholic country. And this was kind of a controversy back then because he was an, he was an out-of-the-closet homosexual activist. And it was done purposely to sort of needle them, to sort of mock this Catholic country. And why, of all the people, why would you point an openly homosexual man to the ambassador to a Catholic country?

Well, because he is open homosexual and you're again, you are insulting them. That's the whole point. And that's sort of the, that's the attitude of these people. You know. Yeah. So. Yeah, they need to, we're going to punish you in whatever way we can, even if it means, especially if it means insulting your backwards religion.

yes they're very petty and spiteful people spiteful mutants as some people call well you know they were forced into finance so that really ups you know they're still they're still steaming over being forced into finance and forced into charging the whole world usury if only we let them farm yeah cows they would have yeah they wouldn't have they wouldn't have use that opportunity to be tenant farmers, would they? All right, let's go. Recalled immediately and scolded and fired as David Pressman should be.

So I just want to say I'm embarrassed that I share a country of birth with a man with a villain like this. It's horrifying. And my advice, to the extent I would presume to give you advice and how to handle this, is just wait it out. Wait it out. The United States is in a place right now where this is not sustainable. You can't run a global empire based on the imposition of boutique sexual politics on countries

that don't want them. The United States, I think, did a lot to liberate Hungary from the Soviets, from the Russians. And I'm proud of that. My father was involved in it. That's how I knew about Hungary because my father visited Budapest 35 years ago when you were still under the yoke of the Soviets. the purpose of American diplomacy in Eastern and Central Europe then was to help liberate the country so they could run themselves. And the idea was you didn't want a foreign superpower

telling you how to live because that's the opposite of democracy. It's tyranny. And to wake up one morning 35 years later and see my own government engaged in exactly the same kind of tyranny. The Soviets told you you had to worship Lenin. The State Department tells you know you have to worship transvestites. It's not so different. it's a foreign power pushing its weird boutique religion on you and it's wrong i was going to say in netherland and was a transveste whatever you want is your country that cold war spin on and i i just believe it well the idea that the u.s was uh was allowing west germany to be sovereign you know yeah yeah the bundus republic was definitely one of the previous places on the planet

or Italy for that matter or you know or I know it was it was it wasn't as brutal it is that's capitalism and it came down to it that they had to do the bidding of NATO and they were they weren't certainly weren't sovereign they certainly aren't sovereign today in fact the US you know orchestrated the destruction of a major pipeline to keep them under the under the Buddha of NATO and the American Empire and I think at various times when certain other lead heads of

state tried to go independent. Like you're famously, de Gaul pulling France out of NATO, the military wing out of NATO. I think they're back again. So so much, but I think De Gaul made a move against the U.S. dollar in the 60s, he found himself being thrown out of power with student riots. So it's just, yes, it's just funny. The idea that America was fighting for free. I know we'd like to think that, you know, that we're fighting for freedom. This isn't, again, endorsement of the Soviet Union. These were two power blocks. And then I think ultimately even at the ultimate level, the meta level, rather, I don't even think there was a real conflict. It was a sort of a dialect that was orchestrated. Maybe at Tucker's father's level, you know, again, there are true believers,

that sort of thing. But I think even during the dark days of the high cold, we're early 60s, David Rockefeller could fly into Moscow without notice and meet with the leaders. All right, let's go. As a practical matter, this can't continue because that's not the basis for a successful empire. Everybody wants freedom. Everyone understands the concept of self-determination. If you go to people who are under a foreign yoke and you say someday you can be free, they understand that.

They want that. That's a product you can sell because everybody wants it. You show up in a country and you say, you know what, your boy is really, should be girls. You know, there's some percentage who will be excited by the prospect of never having grandchildren. But most people won't be excited by that. In fact, most people will say, but boys can't become girls. It's biologically impossible. Sex can be determined at the chromosomal level. We can dig up bones 300,000 years old and tell whether they're male or female. There's no non-binary in science. You're insane. Go away. Most people don't want that

product. And so if the purpose of your empire is selling something that nobody wants, you're not going to be in business for very long. And my hope is that the United States is in business for a thousand years. I love the United States. It's my country. I was with the Nazis. Teresa. Yeah. Tucker crawls for a thousand year, right? State born there and I'm never leaving. I love my country. Tucker calls for a thousand year, right? But the people who run it right now are dangerous and insane. And you can see that in the way they're treating your country, which even if you don't like the values of the majority of Hungarians, even if you reject the Hungarian constitution as

Christocentric and think that Victor Orban is a bad guy and you hate goulash, even if everything about Hungary is repugnant to you, if you're the United States, you're still not going to spend a lot of time hassling Hungary because Hungary isn't hassling anybody else. Hungarians have views, your government has views, and even if you disagree with them, you must acknowledge that Hungary is not exported their views to anybody else. You're not rolling across the border to reclaim territory. You lost after the first World War. That could happen, but it's not happening now anyway.

Transylvania is safe in Romanian hands at the moment. But it's true. This is not an expansionist power. This is not a power that's crushing weaker nations with sanctions. This is not a power that's exporting something ugly to the rest of the world. This is a country concerned with its own safety and prosperity. That's, in the words, you used to hear a lot in the United States, a country that is minding its own business.

And so even if you disagree, which for the record I do not, but even if I did it, and I ran the State Department, and I would say, you know, let's take a pass on Hungary. got bigger problems. But they can't. They hate Hungary. And they hate it not because of what it's done, but because of what it is. It's a Christian country, and they hate that.

And that's the truth. Yeah. I mean, who hates Christians? Who hates Christianity? I don't know. I don't know. He's dramatically opposed to Christianity? I don't know.

Have you ever write a book by Israel Shahawk? He seems to, uh, yeah. What about you, Jero Christianity? What is that? There's two different parts of the cross when it comes to that term. There's a dialectic there for sure. All right. And nobody wants to say it, but it's true.

And it's not a particularly provocative Christian country. I don't think most Hungarians go to church. It's not a theocracy. You're not required to believe in the catechism to live here. It's nothing like that. It's a soft Christian country, the softest ever. 300 years ago, people would look at modern, Hungary and say, that's not a Christian country. But by modern standards, it's one of the last

countries that identifies as a nation built on Christian precepts. Again, not imposing them on anyone else. But that is enough to incite our policymakers in the United States. And that is exactly why they hate Russia, by the way. I'm not a fan of Russia. And if I was, I wouldn't admit it to a Hungarian audience. When I hear Orban described as a Putin suckup, I think, really? That image of Orban being pushed against a police car with a baton to his neck by Soviet-backed policeman comes to mind. Yeah, he's probably not pro-Russian, just guessing. But why do they make that charge?

Well, because one thing that Russia and Hungary have in common is a big part of the population to identify as Christians. Now, why would that be provocative? A huge part of Malaysians identify as Muslim. Fine with me. But it's not fine. It's deeply offensive to see that alive in Europe. And that is the core.

It's not rational. This is happening on a gut level, but it is expressed through policy. Policies that I'm ashamed of that most Americans don't even know exist. The fact that Americans working in Hungary have to pay Hungarian and American taxes, one of the few countries in the world where that's true, that's punitive. That's punishment. and it's punishment for your constitution and for your attitudes that is cultural imperialism that's what we used to call it the idea that the bigger country gets to impose its way of life

on smaller countries not convince them to adopt our way of life not convinced them to drink coca-cola because it tastes great but forced them convert or die that was repugnant to americans that was the opposite of the american promise which was this is all voluntary come to our side because you want to. We've got something better to offer you. We're not going to force you. We want you to come under your own free will. And that's no longer true. And what's sad, in my opinion, is that while the United States still has, I think, a lot to offer to the world, and I would never leave because it's, and no offense, meant by this, and I hope none will be taken. It is the prettiest country in the world. It is. Let's be honest.

Even the crummy, sorry, sorry, it is. It's beautiful. And it has wonderful people, and I know many of you have relatives there. A lot of you are Americans. You know exactly what I'm talking about. It's been taken over by lunatics. But the core of the country has not changed. But what's so interesting to me is that the people running the United States

are no longer even pretending to offer a better life to the people who live there. which is a huge change. I mean, throughout the course of my life until fairly recently, we had people I voted for in office, people I would never vote for an office, but all of them made basically the same promise. Elect me, give me power, and I will make your life better. And here's how I'll do it.

I never hear anybody make that case in the United States. And what they're offering is a world in which human flourishing is, if not impossible, very difficult. The ruling party is the party of the childless, the unmarried, the people who are working for low wages for large corporations and living in tiny apartments and overcrowded cities that are rife with crime. That's not a cliche. That's true. It's not a talking point.

It's true. Who votes for the people who run the United States right now? People who are, again, working for big nonprofits or big nonprofits. banks living in crowded conditions very often alone in big solar cities having their food delivered by immigrants and spending their time glued to a screen what does that sound like to you it sounds like prison actually it sounds like prison when people violate our laws in the united states pause right there basically what he's saying is that the lunatics are right in the asylum yeah They've taken over.

It's been a long march. We're talking about cultural Marxism here, but it's been a long march and they've taken over. And we see it now, like with some of these sentences being handed down to the proud boys and Joe Biggs, that Info Wars guy, getting 18 years for kicking up temporary fence of the guy. The proud boy, what's he got? 20 years or something? 20 plus years. 22, yeah. 22 for an event that he didn't even take part and is bad enough.

It wasn't even there, apparently. But it's, you have a judicial system, which is just a kangaroo court now. They've taken a narrative and they establish it, or at least they claim it as its fact by the evidence. And they use it as a pretext to hand down these harsh sentences. And they get these juries, you know, in the federal court in D.C. that do this. And you have these judges. I mean, you're talking about liberal judges.

You're not talking about judges who have sort of a novel or expansive interpretation of the Fourth Amendment. They're political operatives. And they're using the legal system to terrorize. potential political opposition. I mean, right now, I think Donald Trump leads any, he's like 40 points ahead any other Republican candidate.

And he's a slightly ahead of Joe Biden in the polls and they're trying to put him in jail. No. Not an endorsement of Donald Trump. I'm just saying this, it's just how wacko of the other side is here. And, yeah, if you look at the people running

the State Department, the Department of Education, you know, the U.S. Armed Forces, they're lunatics. You have the Air Force. I think they pointed some black guy who had the Air Force, and his goal is to reduce the amount of white pilots, white males, I think it's 85% white male, down to less than 50%. How do you do that and maintain a, you know, a credible deterrent, as they say, even a competent military? You can't. It's insane. You know. Yeah. Before we go on, we're over halfway done with this.

I would like to say that this is something that's really interesting about this video is the fact that he doesn't have any solid prompters or notes. No. I mean, this is, I'm always impressed by that because I've done public speaking before. And yeah, I'm, I definitely needed some index cards or a laptop. All right. Let's continue. It's the MK. Ultra Program. How do we punish that? What we executed?

It's the MK Ultra Programming. Yeah. Few, not very many. But mostly, our harshest punishment is locking them in a small cell where they can't see the sky, where their food is delivered through the bars, often by immigrants, from the commissary, which is the Uber Eats of prison, where they have to sit, cut off from nature and in solitude for years. Well, that's the life of your average Democratic voter.

Solitude, isolation, cut off from nature. Who are the people who oppose this? And some of them are Republicans. You're not going to hear me say word one in support of the Republicans, by the way, who have collaborated in the most dishonorable possible way with the Biden administration. So instead of saying Republican, I will describe them as anyone who's not with the program, which is the majority of people in my country. Where do they live? And more important, how do they live? Well, they're poorer, generally, on paper.

But are their lives worse? If you live in a place where you can see the sky, where you can make your own food and maybe even know where it comes from, if you can go outside and say identify three species of trees or hear birds or experience silence the rarest commodity in the modern world silence where you can hear voices that aren't being broadcast from NBC News or Google maybe higher voices those are the people who are not with the program people who have a daily experience of others and who have a daily experience of nature And those people are much more likely to acknowledge a power beyond themselves and beyond their government. And there's a reason for that because they can see it.

When you're isolated in a cell, living at the urban planners in the United States now refer to it as in density, which is somehow supposed to be good for the climate or the world. No, it's death, it's enslavement is what it is. When you're living crowded as you would on an industrial farm as a cow or is it chicken in a pen, you are not liberated, you are enslaved, and you can't think clearly, and your reference points are gone, and you can't see the stars, and you can't see the trees, you cannot see God's creation. All around you, you see what, drywall and screens,

made by other people, people who don't mean you well, and your ability to make clear judgments, to think clearly, to think rationally, goes away. And the next thing you know, you're still wearing a COVID mask three years later. Because how would you know not to? Four years ago, I moved with my wife and some of our many children outside of the city where I had lived most of my life, Washington, D.C., to a rural area. And the very first thing I noticed when we left the city was every time you would stop and do something, whether it was, you know, go to the store to get something to drink, go buy food, go to the post office. The very first thing that would happen is someone would talk.

to you. Do you know what talking is like to a person that's different from texting? People speak and you look at their faces when they talk. And I hadn't had this experience quite as often as I did when I moved to a rural area and they would talk and they would say things that weren't necessarily relevant to my daily schedule like, how are you, how are your dogs, stuff like that. And my first instinct was, man, I got to go. I've got text to do. I have a lot of emails to return. I don't have time to talk to this person and I'd feel jittery like you're getting in the way of my schedule by making human contact with me and then I realized after a year or so that is the whole

point of life it's not to return texts it's to have relationships with other people that is the whole point of life that's where all joy comes from it doesn't come from money it comes from being in relationship with other people and with God for that matter and one leads to the other and I had this you know as close to the earth as I tried to live while living in the city I completely lost track of this and so I guess I would just end on this if you're trying to assess whether a political philosophy is a good philosophy or a bad philosophy the test is really simple look at what it produces If a politician, if a leader is telling you, vote for me, support me, send me money, I'm on your side, you can know whether that person is worth supporting by the world he has created, both around him and within his own home.

Is that person happily married? Does his wife respect him? Do his children listen to him? How many dogs does he have? Is the town or city or country that he runs getting prettier? Is it cleaner? Is it less crowded? Is there more or less graffiti? Are there more people living on the streets? What percentage of people are on drugs? How do people died of drug overdoses on the sidewalk last month?

These are measurable. And so by the fruits, you will know whether this is a good thing or a bad thing. And you will also know by the degree to which the person lies to you. Now all politicians lie, it's a feature of politics. So it's a matter of degrees. Is he lying to you in small ways? Is he bragging? I had a million people at my event.

No, there were 300,000. No, it was a million. Okay, that's a lie. But is it a lie that threatens your existence? Probably not. It's the ones who tell you the 180 degree opposite of the truth who you need to be careful of. And they're the ones who will enslave you.

That is true. If they're telling you, it's nighttime when the sun is shining, If they're telling you up is down, black is white, they are the ones to avoid, they are dark forces. And even in a country as great as mine, with as many choices as any country in the world has ever had, there are 150 different brands of cat litter in the United States. We have choices. But even in a country like ours, where the promise is there's a flavor for you, there is no diversity. no diversity whatsoever, there is no choice in the information that you receive, in our media

landscape. Everybody is saying the same thing all the time. And now you have to ask yourself, why is that? And of course the answer is very simple, because they're lying to you. And anyone who doesn't lie is punished and pushed off the stage. Now, I've been in the media business my entire life, 32 years, since August of 1991. And I've known this. And this realization has grown over the years. But it's in traveling outside of my country that it becomes real to me. And most recently, this week in Hungary. And I'll just give you one example. And that's the war in Ukraine. Now, I think decent people can have different views on the war. I have my opinions. You may disagree with me. I don't think that makes me a bad person or a servant of Putin.

and I don't think your opinion makes you an idiot or a bad person either. I think it's totally fair to disagree. What I object to is lying about what the facts are. And in the United States, right now, the overwhelming majority of the population believes that the Ukrainian army is this close to defeating the Russian army. And, you know, again, I think it's totally fair to root for the Ukrainian army. I'm not attacking anybody.

I'm sorry that Russia invaded Ukraine. I'm not taking the Russian position on this. I'm merely saying that the fact of what is actually happening, not what we wish would happen, but what is happening, is essential if we want to make up our minds about what to do next. And in the United States, virtually everyone I've ever met believes that Ukraine is winning. Now, if you think about this for a moment, here you have one country which has a hundred million more people than the other country, And has much deeper military industrial capacity can make more missiles, make more bullets, make more tanks than the other country. So over time, pause right there.

His, I think a lot of what has caused people to the regime to come down on him, a lot of the people in the regime is just this kind of talk, this Ukraine talk. because I think the biggest fear right now that a lot of people have of Donald Trump becoming president, if this isn't all a charade and, you know, everything is picked beforehand is that he's going to march in there

and within a few days, that war, you know, something will be settled. And, you know, him going to other countries in a country like Hungary,

if I remember correctly, as of like June of last year, 2022, had already taken in upwards of 100,000 refugees from Ukraine. And talking like this, you know, puts a bullseye on somebody. If they're, especially if they're not a, if they don't have the kind of funds and the kind of poll that, Tucker Carlson has. Yeah, because if you

upset the apple card on this particular issue, you're threatening the money spigots, the billions that are pouring in that are being absconded with, embezzled, the plans, sort of the plans, I think, to disrupt

Europe, you know, with ways of refugees and to destroy the what remains of, you know, ethnic basis of the states, with Germany or Ireland. And, There's another agenda here that's being achieved at the war in Ukraine. That is the disruption of Europe and the European community. We've seen what's, you know, the deindustrialization is Germany that that's occurring to prosecute this war, which is diametrically opposed to the interest of the Germans.

But obviously, the regime in Germany isn't sovereign. It doesn't represent the German people, nor does it is out for their interests. you have you know you've heard about you know a black rock signing a memorandum of understanding to invest in ukraine after the war presumably after a nato victory a russian victory would frustrate those plans and the wider plans perhaps to depopulate ukraine and then establish yet another homeland a second homeland, you know, Khazaria, which is the traditional homeland for the Askanaji converts, the Jews. So there's a lot going on with the Ukraine, the war in Ukraine, which is why it started to begin with. So to think that you can stop it by marshaling a better argument, because it's not about a better argument.

It's not about reason, right, at this point, and on a whole lot of issues. It's not about a better argument or reason. It's about force. Who has the power? The people behind this, they need it to keep going because the longer it keeps going, and the more dead Christians there are. Yes. It speaks to why they hate Hungary because it's a Christian nation and why they hate the ethnic Ukrainians.

They want to see them killing each other. The idea of Orthodox Russians killing, you know, Ukrainians, well, they're both Christian. So, you know, either way, you get a win for them. Yeah, well, that's the past 100, you know, 100 and, if I do my math, right, 109 years in Europe. Since August 1914. Yep. I do that right.

Hundreds. Yeah, yeah, 100. Yep. Yep, you got it. You know, the destruction. the cradle of Western civilization, Christodom. And who gains from this? Right.

I can't think of all wars are avoidable. The nerves that are spun make it appear they're inevitable. But they're never inevitable because it takes the decision of men to go to war. But particularly this one was simple. If you just look at a map and say, yeah, if you just respects fears of influence, you know, given a security guarantee, no war,

but then again, then you wouldn't have the ability, they're not willing to come to that reasonable, uh, motives for Vendee or agreement because the, the West seeks to dominate. You know, and the,

the NATO, it's not really the West anymore. It's, it's, you know, it's the people who control the West. We've taken over the West. And they,

they seek to dominate. And one thing they don't want to see, they don't want to see Germany cozing up to Russia and trading. They want to see, you know, either Germans killing Russians or vice versa. You don't want to see Europe develop, you don't want to see, you know, sort of this trade routes, you know, develop outside the sea lanes that can't be controlled. And this, you know, that's why you had the first World War to begin with. You know, Russia and Germany developing and the Atlantis's powers, you know, losing power. That was the British Empire, which was controlled by the Western banking interests, the banking families.

And they wanted to control the finances of the world as they were losing edge. They were losing their edge on production. I think it was, oh, what was it? Was it Milner? Who was it? Two British statesmen, 1908 or 1909 said that they were watching. Germany develop and they said, well, it looks like we're just going to work harder. And the other one said, well, we just have to go to war.

So they couldn't compete economically with Germany anymore. Yeah. Yeah. And that's why these alternative development economic development plans are, that's why Gaddafi was murdered, you know, these things that are, to maintain the currency, or is this a transition to create a crisis in the currency? they can sort of unload a digital currency on everyone under the pretext of a currency crisis brought about by, you know, by a debt, a debt collapse because the currency just, you know, just snaps because of the debt that's, the amount of debts is being incurred because of this is just, is astounding. And there's some of this, they don't care, apparently. It's like, I was watching the Republican convention, or no, I was watching, listening to Mike Pence talk about how, you know, if he's elected president, he'll deal with the debt crisis.

Really? How? Yeah. You sworn allegiance to Israel and you've sworn allegiance to fighting the Ukraine. Don't worry. They'll cut Social Security. You know. There's four minutes left in this. So let's see how he finishes us up.

The bigger country is almost certain to win, correct? This is a physics principle. Right. It's not a statement of allegiance. You're not a shill for somebody for acknowledging that. If we're wrestling and you outweigh me by a hundred pounds, you're probably going to win because you're bigger. That's a fact. And yet my country, a nation of 350 million people, has been told exactly the opposite for a year and a half for ideological reasons as a function of propaganda. It is lying. And the scary thing is that otherwise very smart people believe it, even though you can still, and this may change, go on Wikipedia in the United States and look up population numbers. How many people live in Russia?

How many people live in Ukraine? Oh, one outweighs the under, other by a hundred million people. That's probably going to win. Maybe we should force a piece or whatever, or adjust our expectations accordingly. But no. And it's funny, I showed up here. in Budapest a couple of days ago, and I've talked to a bunch of different people

and eaten like maybe 27 different meals. Gain a lot of weight in your country. Gotta be honest. That's not a criticism, just a fact. And I've asked every person, back where I come from, the most informed, the most technologically superior nation in the history of man, the only country

to put a human being on the surface of the moon. In that country, everybody believes that Ukraine is one F-16 away from beating Russia the field of battle. And every single Hungarian, most of them are anti-Russian, by the way. I haven't met anyone in Hungary who likes the Russians, just being honest. They don't like the Russians, but everyone has looked at me like I'm insane. What? No. No. And it's embarrassing. It's embarrassing to be from a place that has been lied to at scale and believe the lies so thoroughly. But the truth is, that's kind of the state of man.

I'm always interested when I come to Europe in the Ottoman occupation. And what's amazing to me is these countries went from Muslim to Christian in like one day, the day the siege ended. And you're like, you think to yourself, well, did all these people convert in one day? And not all of them, but yeah, most of them did. because the deep truth, which no one wants to admit, is that leadership matters. When you have wise leaders who articulate clear goals and whose ideas are rooted in reality, physical reality and unchanging human nature, those leaders will have happy, prosperous countries. And when you have leaders who have poison ideas that are rooted in anti-human, anti-pherson,

theological ideology, when they get some crackpot idea like Marxism or neoliberalism or traneism or whatever the ism ism is, those leaders will lead their countries to destruction. So as much as me as a Native Californian wants to believe that everybody's opinion is equal and we're all the sum total of our choices, that's not true. We are all hostage to history. We are living in a world that we did not create, but that our leaders created for us. That is true and by and large we will follow them wherever they go and so your leadership matters it's essential your heart may not change when leadership changes but the world around you will and so do all that you can to preserve good leadership that would be my parting piece of advice thank you for enduring me

mostly a standing ovation yeah yeah it's uh what's funny is the speech that pretty much a lot of that speech. And I think what? Hold on. Hold on. I was hearing something coming through. I hope that didn't come through. The,

I think he alluded to it at the beginning of the speech was this, the kind of messages that he gave and the kind of ideas that he championed, the values that he championed. there 40 years ago this would have been just a a normal speech that people probably wouldn't have really paid attention to well yeah some of the the issues wouldn't be that arbitrarianism what right lunatic right these things would have been like yeah okay oh you know i'm okay you're okay type i'll leave you alone, but stop, you know, stop trying to groom my kids, stop using my libraries and schools to

pervert my kids, ruin them. And now that's, that's the norm. And because 40 years ago, the march wasn't complete. The long march is complete now. Yeah. That's what I try to convince people now. Look around you. I had a discussion on the weekend or later weekend and talking about America and a relative who was defending America. I said, stop try to, why are you rooting for a country doesn't exist anymore. It doesn't. They dissolved it. Yeah.

I mean, a lot of it still exists in small towns and rural places. But, you know, for the most part, I haven't spent a while since I've been in a quote-unquote big city. Cities are unlivable. Yeah. I was in. Look at New York. Look at New York. And my, look at the doing with the so-called migrants.

That's this complete mouth. else, but break down in basic governmental function, like defending the borders and the treating as if it's some sort of insoluble problem, kick them out, flying back to their country of origin. It's a lot cheaper than putting them up, you know, enduring them and putting on welfare for 40 years, do it. But somehow, no one wants to do it because myorkas, I under myorkas, another neocon from the parallel of the settlement is determined that not enforce the border.

And he's just giving a big F you to the country because that's the agenda. Yeah. I was trying to think of like the last, I was in Nashville last month, but Nashville, you know, the part I was in was very touristy

and, you know, it was fine. But I remember last May driving through Houston in Texas. And it's, if you're not used to, if you haven't been in big city in a while, the kind of experience makes your skin crawl. Yeah.

He was talking about how do you, you know, a politician, is there more graffiti? Is there more drug abuse, drug addiction on the street, the crime? And in this country, you do that, you get promoted. Like Gavin Newsom has actually been considered presidential material. Are you kidding me? Yeah. I mean, first San Francisco, California. You know, first I ruin San Francisco, now I'm going to ruin California.

Now I'll ruin the country. And again, look at what the politicians are doing in the local cities. The demographics have changed so much that now you have, you just have incompetence and savage running cities. You know, whether it's, you know, some Alabama or Detroit. you know uh look at chicago we get the clown lamp up there that he is as goofy as loy liefoot but he's worse ideologically you know it's funny as everybody was celebrating when lorry lightfoot um left office and i'm like they elected i'm like this yeah i'm like this person's going to be so much worse you have no idea yeah this is a guy teacher who brags he never

failed a student yeah and for the vast majority yeah at least she was somewhat entertaining you know At least she was someone you could laugh at because there was something aesthetically to laugh at or just the way she talked and the way she would bully, you know, just try to act like a bully. I mean, this guy is just, I mean, he's a horror show. Yeah. But then Chicago had Rahm Emanuel. Illegally elected, by the way. He wasn't even a resident of Illinois. By the way, now he's the ambassador to Japan.

So that's who you point to Japan. you're born a Jew to be an ambassador to Japan. It's like you have to be an ambassador and a state, you have to be a homosexual Jew now. Yeah. But yeah, Brandon Johnson, Chicago, he's the one that declared Chicago. He's declared Chicago a sanctuary city or already has declared that, of course. But in order to maintain that status as a sanctuary city,

he's now calling on the white suburbs to take in the migrants. You know, same thing with New York, Sanctuary City. Oh, wait, we can't handle it anymore. Well, then don't handle it. Kick them out. It's like the United States is not a battered wife's shelter. It's a sovereign country, I thought. It's not there to take in all the problems of the world.

Because they don't want to swamp the country. They've openly talked about that. An unrelated stream. You know, to create, to create, the very, the conditions that Tucker laments in that speech about graffiti and boarded up businesses and that's the, society they want because it's easier to rule over. Now the question is that this death cult that apparently is the control.

It's in a race with those who actually are a part of the culture of life. Who will win that race? This is probably a big question. Because you can't win an empire imposing boutique sexual ideas on the world and they're trying to do that.

I think they control the media. This is why ADL is coming to set down so hard on Twitter, a great expense to its reputation. They're trying to shut it down, I think. You know. And remember, Twitter is just Twitter X. That's just fear speech. Not free speech.

Because free speech would be a lot harsher. They say, we can't have free speech because free speech is hateful and asymptomatic. Well, why is it? Why is it that? Yeah. Why do people feel this way? If they're given a chance to express it, why are they expressing it? because they're crazy or are you behaving poorly, which is it?

Yeah. I'll ask for the 110th time, which is it, you know? Well, you know, it's always want to, they always want to talk about what happened, not why it happened. Yes. You know. You're a reactionary. Oh, that's an interesting word.

What am I reacting to? We don't want to talk about it. It's like, you know. Oh. All right, Tim. Let's end this. Okay. Do me a favor.

I'm going to sign off, but stay on for a second. I want to ask you a question. Sure. Thank you. And until we talk again. Take care. Good night. I want to welcome everyone back to the Peking O-N-O show.

Tim Kelly returns. How are you doing, Tim? Not too bad. I haven't been hit by any rockets yet. Firecrackers? Yeah. Firecrackers in a water pipe. Yeah.

So I guess Israel hasn't launched just nuclear missiles yet. Oh, yeah. That's what we have to worry about. But those don't exist. What are they do and they don't? And I guess they call what's that ambiguity, I guess. So she's an ambiguity just don't talk about it. Yeah.

But they can threaten. So I've been following you and listening to you and Joe do your show. And since this all started and you've had E. Michael Jones, on Dr. Jones to talk about it. So I don't know, just jump off when you saw what was happening the original reports that day. What were you thinking? Well, October 7th was the date of the attack. I think it was a Saturday.

So I guess I started reading about it on the following Sunday, the 8th. And one thing struck me was it was being described as unprovoked. It's like, oh, okay, so we just forget the last, I don't know, 75 years of history. Just like the Ukraine war started on February 23rd, 2020, this conflict, quote unquote, started on, well, what they're calling 10-7. And I've taken to upsetting people by saying 10-7 was an inside job. but I'm sorry, go on.

Yeah, there's some speculation in that as well. You know, no one can really know, really, because all we can do is look at the situation in speculating. Obviously, you can't trust any of the governments or government officials or spokespersons or anything involved in this because they're all liars, pathological liars. So that's where we are. We just look at the situation, look at the videos,

look at the news feed, try to figure out what's going on over there. One thing we do know is a heck of a lot more Palestinians are dying than Israelis as the Gaza is being pounded. You know, whole city blocks are being destroyed. These are buildings that are, you know, full of people. I saw a video today of children being pulled out of rubble, dead children. I'm going to assume that that's accurate. So it's, yeah, that's one thing we do know.

That's happening. And there's a vicious bombing campaign, saturation bombing campaign, being waged by the Israelis to, I guess, it's an act of retribution. or continued ethnic cleansing, if you will. Again, they say it all began on October 7th, but obviously, as we alluded to, this is a conflict that's been going on since the original Nagba, you know, back in 1948,

when the area was originally ethnically cleansed to create the state of Israel. Well, there were some happenings before then, but that was the real start of it. Yeah, the cycle of violence begins in the late 20s and 30s, And it was Jewish terrorists that started. Yeah. Yeah, the question that's, you know, the thing that's been getting me blocked the most on Twitter is, you know, when I ask people.

So before Jews started showing up there to settle, you know, after, you know, 1800s, we have all these writings, proto-writings about Zionism. And then Jews start to trickle in. And, you know, I ask, what was the level of? violence going on there before they showed up. Did they bring it with them? And that tends to be a question that people don't want to hear because, you know, as Scott Adams said on his show today, all I, if you want to say anything in history previous to 1,400 people being killed on 10.7, I don't want to hear it.

Yes. And, of course, then those 1,400 deaths are now, people are. thing. A lot of those were attributed to Israelis. Well, that's what they do. What is it called? The Hannibal, the Hannibal protocol? The protocol or directive, yeah. They don't suffer hostages.

They don't want the, I guess, the liability of hostages. So they'll just kill. The hostage takers and the hostages and problem solved. Yeah, well, it makes it a lot easier to take out the people who the people you want to, you know. I mean, I guess these are, that takes care of the whole famous human shields problem. And which they use as, it's used as the bomb because they'll say,

it'll claim anything is any building full of people that are human shields because there might be, you know, a bad guy in there somewhere. So we can blow the building up, which we, we saw recently in the, in the refugee camp. You know, they admit, admit to killing hundreds of people in the attempt to kill one alleged Hamas. terrorist. Well, let's talk a little bit about this propaganda war because it's one thing that you notice right off the bat because I remember they were saying the oldest Orthodox church and the world was bombed.

And then they said it wasn't. And then, of course, it was eventually bombed. You had the famous hospital, the Baptist Hospital. What's a Baptist hospital doing in Gaza, Tim? I think it dates back to the 19th century. So. Yeah. Some sort of missionary work, I assume.

Very odd. But yeah, it's odd that it, you mean the 19th century when those barbarians were there, they were actually putting up with evangelicals going there and missioning to them? Yeah, I thought. I thought the Israelis made the desert bloom. I thought it was just nothing before the Israelis showed up and started developing. A land without a people for a people without a land. Yes.

Yeah, that one. Yeah, that's a good one. But what do you think about this propaganda war? Because it's really, it's at the point where you don't know what to believe coming out of either side. Because either side, I mean, the Israelis with their Hospera program, they're really good at this. And it seems like the, because there are, and it really goes to show that you have to have the press on your side in order to have good, in order to produce good propaganda. Because there is press in the world that is on the Palestinian side who are willing to push. I mean, the first, the bombing of the hospital that ended up being, I think, an explosion in the parking lot.

Yeah. That was, I heard that. I got an alert on my phone from the New York Times on that one. So. Yeah. At first, the Israelis said they gave a warning that they were going to bomb it. And they claimed that they bomb an Israeli defense, I think a spokesperson claimed to credit for it, if you will, then rescinded it. they took the tweet off.

Then they claim they didn't do it. But they do claim the right to do it. Are you saying they lied? It's like, you know, and so, you know, all the evidence indicates there was probably something in the ordinance used would have to be something Israeli, you know, inventory, nothing that Hamas reportedly has. And they have no reason to do it, right? I mean, it's everyone who died were Palestinians for what I understand. So, but nevertheless, they can just say. Again, they have the media for New York Times can run an article.

Then they can have an article is criticized New York Times and people just believe the headlines and say it was debunked and they can move on. Even though the Israelis have plenty stated, they've reserved the right in their war doctrine to bomb civilians, kill civilians and civilian infrastructure and destroy civilian sites without any regard for innocent human life. That's part of their war doctrine. And they have a history of doing it. So I don't know, you know, but the problem is believing that they might indeed might have done it when all the evidence suggests that they did do it. And then they'll do it again. And they're doing it now as they're bombing apartment buildings and city blocks. I just, you know, what's the difference?

You know. And my friend, Bird from Timeline Earth sent me a video of Jordan Peterson being interviewed by Pierce Morgan. I don't know if you've caught any of this interview. you. It only took them four minutes and 30 seconds to invoke the Holocaust. And I was kind of shocked it took that long. That might be a record. The Holocaust. Yeah.

So allegedly that occurred to Europe, right? Yeah, that was somewhere up there. I don't know. And I don't think anyone, any Palestinians or anyone from the Middle East was implicated in that. I mean, I've, I've read probably close to 10 to 20,000 pages on this Holocaust. And no, I don't remember mention of Palestinians being in Poland or on the Eastern Front. Nevertheless, you have like rabbis referencing Dresden. They're not bragging about Dresden.

They used to be something he didn't talk about. It was kind of hush-huss. Well, the thing I thought that was very interesting about Peterson was he, when questioned about it, he immediately, well, my friend was like, he's getting coached by Lekud party members, because he immediately starts saying that the Palestinians are the victims here, which makes him look, you know, makes him look, you know, like he has a heart. like he's he's sympathetic and he says you know they're under this they're under the sway of

Iran Hamas controls Iran Hamas funds Iran her mas train I mean I mean um Iran trains Hamas Iran funds Hamas um I asked a friend of mine who's a foreign policy expert and he said um he said yeah there there's probably money going to Hamas from uh from Iran but is there any evidence of the was that force, the QADS force in Iran. It's like the basically there would be like the weird, the tactics that are out of the ordinary that are not normally used. There's no evidence that they've ever trained them that, you know, basically what they would call a terrorist,

a terrorist squad in Iran that would train them. But he, yeah, it was, it was just basically like you could have had any member of the Lekud party up there going, this is all about Iran. And the Palestinians are just puppets. And it sounded good. And it went along great until about 15 minutes later. When Peterson asked the question, he said, when do you start to blame the citizens of a country for their government?

When do they have to start? When do they have to come under scrutiny? when do they have to come under, you know, basically he's saying, when do they have to come under fire for the decisions that they've made? Yes, it was total war doctrine. Well, it's also like blaming saying that because of everything that that the United States had done and supporting Israel, the bombings in Iraq, that, you know, whoever was in the Twin Towers, whoever died in the Twin Towers, you know, the janitor, the janitor who died in the Twin Towers. towers. That's because they voted for the, they may have voted in a United States election at some point. They're responsible. Yeah, that was that professor called Little Eichmann's. Remember that? Yeah. I think he was specifically referring to like the finance people, the, yeah, it's a trade center

kind of thing. I don't know if he would have, I don't know if he was mentioning the, but obviously Peterson is is asking the question. He even said in the interview, he goes, you know, I would even ask that of my, of my, my, my fellow Canadians, are they responsible for the government up there? It's like, well, that's kind of a false equivalence when you're, you know, I don't, I don't think the, you know, I don't know of any Canadians who are actually born in a prison.

Yeah, yeah. And does that seem standard apply to Israelis then? well of of course there's no standard that applies to Israelis I mean even the even the arm settles that they're calling civilians right that are that they that they deploy to these to these

disputed areas that they you know that they steal from the Palestinians and they send these arm or you know the fact the whole thing was precipitated at least immediately the immediate cause was this a laxa raid by the settlers that the Israelis permitted and but where the

worshippers are being harassed by the, it was a, basically anti-Muslim program, carried up by the Jews. And so that's what it was called Alaska Flood, right? That was the, obviously it's got a lot more to do with that. That's the entire conflict. But again,

it's again, what you, if you're going to invoke that standard, then you can't complain when you have supposed that civilians die or shot in this war because they're responsible, you know, for their government too,

I suppose, right? So, well, the, the, I think that the ones that did go into the Alaks of Masth, where there were eschatological implications there.

This might be a group that is looking to rebuild the third temple and try to get their Messiah to come back. Yeah, and they're getting all the funding from all the wackos here, the Christian Zionists, to think this is an attempt to, to, I guess, imitized the Eschaton, I say, Speed things up a little bit. Force God's hand. Yeah, a little Talmudic trickery to trick God.

God, yeah, God can be tricked into these things. And, but yeah, it's, it's, again, this, the Israelis here have really overplayed their hands, but particularly they've exhausted whatever goodwill remain in the world, I think, around the world, outside, you know, the political class and mainstream media. Did you see the Israeli ambassador, the United Nations. Yeah. Yeah, I was, I got excited for a second.

I was like, are we back? He put on the yellow stars. He's going to keep wearing him until, I think, to the UN condemns a moss or something. And I was like, okay. Now, my question is, were those World War II surplus yellow stars? They get him at the Yadvesham gift shop. I mean, I probably got him

and Chuck Schumer probably just gave him to that. He's in New York. He's got a stash in his desk somewhere. But I'm like, come on. Are you really overplaying it? And then he's spewing all the propaganda about beheaded babies and raped women in these things, which first there's no evidence.

Again, if anything, we see that one where you won Israeli lady, 80-year-old lady came out since she was treated humanely nicely. Of course. And there was one Israeli general said the government needs to handle this better, meaning they need to lie to the people. They don't want good news.

They don't want people being treated nicely. They want, you know, they want all the, you know, sort of the atrocity porn, which they thrive in. You know, they have a history of thriving with this. So you have to take with a grain of salt whenever they, whenever any side in a war claims atrocities, but particularly when Jews claim atrocities. Because they say there's a little history here of, A slight exaggeration. Edging towards like complete BS.

I mean, I mean, it's slight. Yeah, slight. Let's not go overboard here. I mean, there may be some truth in the masturbation machines and the roller coaster and the bear in the eagle cage. Yes. There's a chance, Tim. Was it the canines with the fangs dipped in poison?

Yeah, tossing babies up in the air to shoot them. Yeah. Let's not forget the latest. that I'm putting babies in cooking a baby in an oven that John Padouritz of all people bought into and started to blast out all over Twitter. Really? Yeah. So what do you set it at 375?

Did you do that? Yeah. Everyone read that. Do you really think that people in combat, just think about all these, it's like throwing babies from incubators. Why? why do this, you know, but people believe it. I don't know if people believe this now. I mean, it's, this isn't 1990 anymore. So people, I think there's a lot of, a lot of people rolling their eyes at this stuff now.

But probably they've no, evidently they have no say in government or agency to, because I look at a poll, I think 66% of American public support a immediate ceasefire, only 1% of those on Capitol Hill and Congress support a ceasefire. But then again, 100% of the top 10 donors to both parties support Israel. So there you go. That's just so odd. I don't know how that happens. And by the way, black Twitter was upset because they said that Palestinians don't season their food. Okay. Yeah, there was one accounts on Twitter this morning who was responding to Ben Shapiro, who, you know, Ben Shapiro was basically talking about.

about what is precisely as Israel supposed to do. World opinion is not, right now, is not pushing towards Israel's survival. And a comic account, a Jewish comic account, made the comment to Ben said, Israel should do what it needs to do to protect itself. We can write the history when it's over. Nothing changes. Yeah. And Ben,

sorry, isn't he a conservative American? Yeah. So why is he getting so upset over this little tiny foreign? Oh, oh. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah, it's one of those things, man. And so he wants to go to nuclear war over the strip of land in the Middle East. The whole world should be on the brink of nuclear war because of this problem with the Israelis.

Why do they command some attention? I mean, they, well, I mean, they broke through a fence. They broke through the most highly guarded fence in the world, went around raping, because that's what you do when you're running around. It's very easy to do when you're running around. There was reports I read of a, they went in, one settler's house and stood there and talked to the woman and asked if they could take an apple off off the counter. This is what this Jewish woman is reporting. So they apparently went to

this gay gay disco rave invoking Dr. Jones there. And apparently from now what's happening, they were, well, on the first day, they slaughtered everyone. And they, took this girl who, you know, was all over the news and they raped her and they paraded her around. Turns out she's in a hospital in Gaza being taken care of. And her Jewish landlord is demanding rent while she's in the hospital in Gaza, by the way. That's a great, that's a great story. And yeah, so basically it seems like what it turns out is that they were planning on taking some hostages and taking them back and the IDF showed up and invoked the Hannibal directive and just started killing people yeah it's a standard thing to take hostages because the Israelis take

hostages all the time they have thousands and people languishing in prison without benefit of trial they do that all the time so they do it for prison exchanges it's one of these things it's again it's part of the conflict there it's you know it's not like well they're taking hostages well, Israeli's IDF soldiers seize people off the streets all the time that I do process or trial or anything and they throw them in a prison somewhere.

You know, so it's not, again, again, it's not putting the thing in context. There's the, you see the UN, that Slad Gutierrez, uh, yeah, I hate them, but, uh, nevertheless, he was right about this. When he just, he was talking about the conflict. He's, he called for a ceasefire.

He reminded people to say, you have to look at this conflict in context of the past 56 years. He's referring, I guess, to the 67 war that the Israelis started and claim they were defending themselves. And for that, that Gilad Airhead, the U.S.S. Israeli ambassador, he's a diplomat, by the way. He's a what? He's a diplomat, but he doesn't, there's no sense of diplomacy to this guy. He just lectures and expects everyone just a ship because he's a holic. He's a descendant of holic.

us survivors because he can't talk about it. But he demanded the, for citing or saying the obvious thing that this conflict has a context to it, historical context to it, that he, that at UN Secretary General Antonio Gutierrez should resign. Because putting this thing in context, apparently there's no context to this. That's the position of the UN, Israeli ambassador, UN, presumably the Israeli government. there's no context to us just all of a sudden for no reason at all yeah that you know it always it happens it happens that way with them doesn't it it's like all it's like all of a sudden

people just turn on the juice well it is another holocaust apparently to fight back to shoot back or to criticize that is is threatening another another holocaust to resist them to deny them what they want is anti-Semitism that's a holocaust because they don't go what they want if there's any organized meaningful organized resistance to their agenda to their to their government or to their agenda to their interest that is a threat to them and they have to make sure there's no organized resistance so they do what they can to destroy it. That's why you had the situation you have on Capitol Hill. They just passed a resolution. It's after you condemning anti-Semitism and college campuses in Hamas. It was 396 to 20 or something in the House Representatives. That's nice.

And I think it was in 2000, it's bipartisan because in 2019, Nancy Pelosi, as a speaker, passed a resolution declaring anti-Semitism to be a national security threat to the United States. I didn't know we were a Jewish state. well Tim I have a story to tell you okay have you heard of A-pack oh yeah they're just a bundler did you see this um did you see this this guy in marathon county I assume it's down in Florida I'm not really sure who went before his city council and started basically naming all of the people who worked at the CDC. Oh, and they all happen to be,

uh, have certain names. Yeah, they all, it's just really strange that they all had certain names and they were all. Yeah, it's very odd, very odd.

I mean, what, 2.4% of the population, something like that. I think it's like, like two, but that's, I'll give,

I give you the point four percent. Uh, but it's the high IQs. Ah, uh, and living in cities and living in cities. Yes. And also,

So we don't, we deny it another means of employment. Yeah, that's right. They're forced, they're forced into the CDC. They're forced into finance. They would be, they would be, they would be farmers otherwise. They're forced into pornography. They're forced into Hollywood. They were forced into liquor making in Russia.

Liquor sales in Russia. Yeah. Yeah, all that. Yeah, sure. If you can't farm, you have to charge interest. Come on. Yeah. I mean, if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're,

going to deny them all the best jobs. Obviously, the next, you know, what you're going to do is you're going to put them in charge of your money. That makes, that makes as much sense as anything else, anything I've ever heard. Yeah. Well, let me ask you this. What do you think about these, what should take on all the protests? Protests in England of, you know, thousands upon thousands, probably tens of thousands of people.

protests here, trying to ignore the comical ones of like the black Israelites and, you know, fighting in Chicago against, that will BLM or whoever the hell they're fighting against. Well, that's, I mean, you'd expect that. It's interesting because this is a consequence of the immigration policies and other policies that organized Jewish community have promoted, whether it's, you know, affirmative action and quote as a, college campuses, so you have more brown people of some persuasion.

It may not be qualified, but they're there. Nonetheless, the sort of radicalized environment, the cultural Marxist environment of the college campus itself, the identity politics, the anti-Oxidental, anti-white, anti-Christian attitudes that are prevalent in universities, these things, the victim mentality, ideology that's promoted by, you know, I guess you could say cultural Marxism and cultural critique. that the Jews are promoting a college campus for, you know, for 60, 70 years in college campuses when they sort of took over their universities in the 60s and 70s. So it's a product of that. It's also immigration policy. Obviously, Jews have a very prominent role in promoting

non-European, non-right immigration into European countries and North America. So that they have a very large population now that's also agitated and radicalized by the very, you know, I guess, policies and sort of media campaign and a deconstructionist academic environment that the cultural Marxists, the Jews have promoted for so many. So this is a natural consequence of them destroying sort of the homogeneous white America or homogeneous European countries. You're going to get that. Now, what it is, is, I guess it's a sort of a, they may sort of expect it. They may not have expected it. By destroying a cohesive community or country like ethnic country like based state like in Europe or destroying sort of heritage America, they're denying, they're creating sort of a babble that can be easily, although it can be rough at times. It's easily manipulated as we see today, America today or Europe today. But it creates these inconvenient things like these protests. And also they have to deal with something called free speech. particularly in America.

And so they have these college campuses where people are protesting. And now you have all these billionaires that have donated money to the universities, pulling the money back because they don't want to give money to universities where a criticism of Jews is tolerated. There's that.

So it is a consequence of the very policy that, you know, again, mass immigration, non-white immigration into historically white countries. So now they've got to deal with that. The response is because now, You have the anti-BDS movement. And I think in 37 states, there are laws in the books that it's illegal for you to boycott Israel. If you're like going to a college campus or employed by either you're attending university or employed by a university or you have a state contract or something.

As many as 37 states in the United States have those laws. And yeah, I mentioned also a billionaires like Ackerman. He's a billionaire who was looking for a blacklist of people involved in anti-Israeli protest. I think at Harvard, you had, what's his name, Leslie Wexner pulling his funding. Wexner, of course, he's the benefactor of Jeffrey Epstein. You have a louder, I think, was it? Right? The S-D-Ly, yeah, the cosmetic guy pulling his funding.

So, and any number of Jewish billionaires, which there are many, now pulling their funding, they're endowed these chairs and donate money, these things. they're pulling the money because they're having to deal with these protests, these anti-Israeli protests for the carnage in Gaza. So, but again, it's, again, the chickens are coming home to Roos, this is just a consequence of the very things they've promoted. I think they think they can manage it because they control the media and such. And so this is something, they'd rather deal with this sort of a multitude of different ethnic, multicolored ethnic groups getting angry every once in a while than dealing with a cohesive, you know, solid ethnic, white majority, a Christian white majority. But perhaps

they didn't anticipate this because this, you know, this obviously was precipitated by this October 7th attack. And maybe it wasn't foreseen. But this might be a reason why they've promoted for years if they've promoted the immigration of

Muslims, particularly males, into Europe and the United States, because that kind of gets people to dislike them. So it makes it easier for the Israelis to bomb them. You know, a lot of Americans simply don't care that brown people being bombed because they're tired of putting up with mass immigration whether in Europe or the United States. So they kind of accept the fact that these are kind of bad people because of the things.

And then you can always invite, you know, you invite a large group of young men into your country from North Africa and Middle East. There's always a chance of a few people are going to pop off and do some bad things. And that's always good PR for the Israelis as well. It's a risk they're willing to take, I guess. Well, the one of the things that I saw I'm sharing on the screen now, can you see it? Let's see. Yeah, the demographics. Basically, old baby boomers.

As you get younger, you get less, get more skeptical. Yeah. I'll read it for the people who are just listening to this. It was October 12th, October 13th, CNN, SRS poll. and the question was, Israel's military response to Hamas attacks is fully justified.

And they asked in an age range. And I think it's rather interesting. It's what you would expect from 65 and older. 81% say it's justified. 50 to 64, drops to 56%. 35 to 49, it drops to 44%. But then when you get down to 18 to 34%,

year olds, I guess that would be, is that Gen Z and like younger millennials? Yep. It's at 27%. What do you attribute this to? They have to stop charging for admission into Holocaust museums. So there's people living in their kids and parents who are going to afford to go. Well, one of the things I was wondering is you were talking about how immigrant. You know, forced immigration, which, you know, we know what group is big promoters of that.

There are also big promoters of trying to get people not to go to church and try to discourage people from religion. You know, we're a secular culture. We're beyond this superstitious nonsense, Tim, you know, transubstantiation. What a joke, right? And I think that it's just that if you have a younger generation that's not going to church, well, they're not getting, that's one of the main places in this country where people get indoctrinated into this Christian Zionism. Yes, particularly the Protestants, yes. Yeah. But even the Catholics.

But yeah, that Christian Zion, the Schofield Bible reference Bible. And they're not going to church. You're not getting that indoctrination. you're right that's a good that's a again that's maybe they this is you know perhaps way that god works it's uh it's karma you know it's cunning of reason but yeah uh so they're not getting this indoctrination um into uh even references to the bible like even you can you know they can talk about israel having a claim to the uh to that land because of the bible those like you know but if these people aren't indoctrinating the bible is it going to mean anything to them

You have what, B.B. Nathan Yahoo referencing Amalek or something in his recent speech about justifying mass killing. And that's Old Testament stuff. And this isn't going to resonate with younger people. And perhaps, again, that younger cohort is also probably less white. So they're not going to be subject to white guilt. not be as not can be manipulated as easily as previous generations were yeah yeah and um and that's one of those blessings and curses but i do say that again it's it's a to them it's a it's a it's a a a lost one and tape because they think the browner like a good example is having uh brown people

in charge of ireland or great britain they're much more handy uh because they have no ethnic identity with the with with the country like you know was there it's what's his name the uh prime minister of great britain i think the prime uh prime prime prime minister of ireland to gay indian or half indian yeah yeah uh and you what was that the guy in scowland you said video the guy in complaining that there too many white scotsman in england scotland yeah yeah yes i did see that i have so these people are are great agents you know for uh you know for uh you know for the uh But the Jewish, you know, oligarchs who are seeking to destroy these countries, make them turn them into sort of, you know, diverse groupings of ethnic groups, fighting with each other, you know. So what is the logic, Tim?

Because so many all-white countries oppressed them through the centuries, Russia, Germany. Russia, Germany. People will argue with me whether Spain is white. They have to be, now they have to be turned brown or they need to be turned rainbow

because if they remain white, the white man is the most the white, especially the white Christian is the most dangerous person to the Jew. Is that why they had to, you know, Samuel Untermeier, a Jewish person, had to finance and basically published a Schofield Bible so that he could make turn Christians,

evangelical Christians basically into Jews? Yeah, they see that particular, I think, ethnic group or that ethnic group, if it has the collective agency of a country or governed behind it as a threat. And so they see themselves doing much better in a society that's diverse or strength, right? it doesn't have such agency or collective identity or ethnic identity. That's why it's promoted in all their entertainment and their policies, immigration laws. So that's, they just seems as doing better. Of course, at the same time, they're able to maintain their own strong ethnic identity.

So they're the one group. So it's almost like if you have a organized phalanx of soldiers going against a massive of people. That phalanx is going to conquer those people. That's what we see. That's what they're trying to create. And as they've successfully done that, they've seen a lot of, you know, moral confusion, destroyed ethnic identity, cultural confusion, deconstructionism. But at the same time, it's hurting them because Israel and the Jews are depending on the United States to act as it's gallum or vassal. It's their muscle. And you see that right now, this current conflict where they're, you know, getting all this aid, financial military aid to fight.

But if you're going to wage culture war, which they've done in the United States for several decades, you're undermined the culture. You're going to flood the country with hordes of third worlders to displace or replace the heritage population. And you're going to get through Jewish finance, destroy the industrial base of the country. country, and you're going to demoralize the country with the degeneracy, all types of sexual degeneracy that's being promoted by the Jews, that country isn't going to be able to project power for too long, and we're seeing that because the

military now, somebody isn't recruiting people anymore. People don't morale is low. The people they want to fight aren't going to want to fight and die for the gay disco, if you will, the global American empire. And so they're undermining their own power base here. And I don't think, somebody will speculate they plan to move on to some other country. I don't think Asia would be quite as receptive to them if they were, you know, China is going to listen to this stuff. You can't guilt a Chinaman, you know, about yellow supremacy.

It ain't going to work. And he's not going to care about your Holocaust, whereas they really pull one over on the Europeans and the Americans for the past 60, 75 years. That's why they've ever, they ever to gain so much power in the latter half of the 20th century. This one is personal for me because as soon as I found out about crowd health, I became a member. We all know how mind-numbingly frustrating health insurance can be. If you've ever gotten one of the statements in the mail and you have no idea how much you owe,

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because the kind of men who used to join it to fight who wanted to kill if they had to for their country, it doesn't seem that's what they're looking for anymore. I'm sure they're there, and I'm sure the ones that are there are doing an amazing, you know, amazing job. But I'm also, you know, fairly certain that I'm hearing a lot of stories about, no, I'm certain that I'm seeing a lot of stories about them just wanting to get out.

That, you know, it's just not a, it's not a, you know, a straight white males military anymore. But it also makes you wonder about the Israeli military. It looks like the Israeli military from the air can do great damage. But it has to call into question. question whether the what the IDF looks like, how deep their forces are. I was told by somebody who I know has people on the ground there that on the first day when people were being called up, at least 800 people were like, I have a hang now. I have a hangout.

They're suffering the same demoralization, yeah. Yeah, basically. And what is it? Well, it's basically you're, you've, created a young generation not only in the United States, but across the world that is

not it's a shadow of what a former, it's a shadow of what those, those men who tragically stormed the beaches of Normandy bravely and they shouldn't have.

But I mean, there are very few people alive who you can even compare to those men. No, the ability is their capacity for suffering and sacrifice, you know, although they're, you know, again, yeah, this is the greatest generation. It's also the most brain, one of the most brainwish generation. That's how they were, that's why they stormed the beaches. But nevertheless, you can't, you know, no one can doubt their bravery and their ability to sacrifice. a good example

was it BB that whose son is like is on a beach of Miami right now I understand and the same fighting force I think Israel's kind of peaked in 1967 when the

Israeli military military had a reputation that had a sort of a lawn to it and it was it was looking forward to the future it was it was on the offensive it was young battle hardens, sun tanned,

and was willing to do the things that Jews historically weren't really willing to do like fight and engage in aquaculture and build a country and that was the kind of the attitude in the late 60s.

And I guess after 73, it started to decline after the Yom Kippur war. But since then, the Israeli army has really been an occupation force, not a military force. That's a different thing in fighting. They haven't confronted any organized military.

And of course, they've had the fight. vacuum of the United States since then, since 1970s. So it doesn't have the same, again, again, General Brick who was talking about this, Israeli retired general saying there's simply, there's no readiness there, the training is bad. The women they use are useless, surprise, surprise,

in the military. And, you know, I guess they're too busy with TikTok and other things to, like anything, that, you know, they want to get all their lives, I guess. You can say in many ways it's understandable. But you're there in a situation where they're surrounded by enemies because they created a country by ethnic cleansing, and they pushed all their people of ethnic cleanse to the periphery.

And lo and behold, you're surrounded. And they haven't demonstrated any goodwill to negotiate to come up with some sort of equitable solution with the Palestinians, the people in the West Bank or in Gaza. up because that's not consistent with Zionism, which as the ideology, the Zionist state, they simply don't think they can negotiate, nor do they want to negotiate with anybody. It's an expansion of state. It's, you know, it's from the Tigers to the Nile, right?

That's their idea. And so they don't want to negotiate. They want to ethically cleanse, which they're kind of doing now. they went ethnic sense the area and get get get get you know get kill them all to get them out of there as you saw with that document there was released that the israeli government has a plan at least there was a white paper written by the intelligence bureau i think about plans to remove all power all the people in gaza to egypt and other countries and eventually send them on to europe in the united states of course that was yeah that's what it is all that's what it's been all

long. Yeah, but then again, there's no good faith effort to negotiate a peace deal because they don't think they should be there. Right. Yeah. And that also raises a couple questions. Why have they kept them there at pretty much any time they could have, I mean, they could have genocided them. I personally think they keep them there. One of the, one of the main points for keeping them there is because they can say, well, we have these savages that live among us and they, they attack us all the time. they get to play the victim. They just keep, they have someone there, and it's an excuse to just keep playing the victim like they have been doing for, you know, 3,500 years. Yeah, and there are reports of Hamas getting support from Israeli early on because they wanted something to counter a Fatah, PLO.

Right. And you create a more religious, Fatah, PLO is more secular. So this doesn't mean that it's going to controlled by the Israelis. There are, you know, there have been people that have written about. whistleblowers, if you all have written about. In the past, the notorious terrorist of the 70s and 80s were actually agents

of Israeli intelligence, like Abu Nadal, Carlos de Jekyll. These were managed. They were monitored because, again, there was Ari Ben Manashi with the book. In his book, he wrote to claim that the Achille-Laura incident

it was an Israeli intelligence operation. Arabs pulled off the feet. The other ones that threw Italy and Klinger off the boat and carried out the act, but they were paid for it by Israeli. They were set up to do it by Israeli intelligence assets for obvious reasons. It's, you know, it's terrible PR for Palestinian cause, Muslim cause, but it's great PR for the Israelis because they're played as the victim and our enemies are savages. you know.

Well, let's talk a little bit about politics. There's a, what's his name, Anthony Blinken? Did you know he had relatives that died in the Holocaust? Holocaust? No, tell me about this. Yeah. Yes, his father, his stepfather was liberated by Martin Luther King. Yeah, that's the story.

He was driving a tank. Isn't that story the intro to Dr. Jones' new book? I think it's to first. It's in there. It's one of the chapters. Yeah. I'm looking at the book right now. Yeah, it's the 76 tank battalion, his stepfather claimed that he had been liberated by them.

And he was picked up in the arms by a large Negro soldier who took him to American freedom. It just isn't true because there was no tank battalion near him. And so it's bullshit. Yeah. But I mean, but they believe. believe it happened. That's the most important thing. Well, it is a good story and make for a great movie. Yeah.

You know, so, well, you know, so, so, and, you know, let's, yeah, maybe it happened in his dreams and he, he doesn't know if it's true or not, so. Wasn't it like, like, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar who destroyed that story? Yeah. Yeah. He wrote a book. So, Grimo, Abdul-Jabbar is like, the co-pilot and airplane? Yeah. They had this myth going of this, and then Karim Abdul-Jabbar just writes a book and just destroys the myth. Yeah.

I mean, talk about getting. Nation of Islam, yeah. Talk about getting dunked on. Yeah. All right. All right. I won't do that again. But, yeah, apparently Anthony Blinken has been going to Israel and actually been sitting in the government.

Yes. We're planning. And this is our secretary of state, who went. to Israel, not only as the U.S. secular state, but also as a Jew. You reminded his audience that. Yeah. And again, and if he's a Jew, you can't criticize his motivations because he had relatives who almost died in Holocaust. Well, also, they're really, you're just proven that you're jealous of their success and their wealth. Evidently, yes. Yeah, that's the problem. But, so I sent you this article. But I'm not jealous of non-Jews who are rich.

Yeah, it's funny. I have absolutely no problem with like Asians that are rich or Indians that are rich and Swedes that are rich. But, you know, I don't know. There's something. I don't know. I just have a problem with billionaires who get their money through questionable means, acquire it, then use it to leverage it to shut down free speech and control everything in our society. and sinking into other degeneracy.

But that's probably just me being envious. Yeah, no, I think, I think that's just you being an NC-Semite. But that's, so I sent you this article. I've been following this guy on Huffington Post. Huffington Post actually has some, just want to let people know, every once in a while, they have some really good journalism. And this guy's name is Akbar Shahid Ahmed. He's been writing a series of articles,

but this one really stood out. talking about mutiny brewing inside the State Department over the Israel-Palestine policy. And he basically used the jumping off point of a veteran State Department official who, he worked there for a decade and he worked on arms deals. And his name is Josh Paul. And he stepped down over this conflict because he, it looks like he just was like we shouldn't be backing Israel in this

and when you read this and I you know you read some of this what do you start to think when you're now first of all there's a reason this is I have to look at the reason why this is even being put out there if they wanted to they could bury this story at maybe putting it on Huffington Post

is burying it and then his interview on PBS is you know seems to be bearing it. There's only going to be very few people. But what's your take on what I sent you? There's probably elements within the State Department and within the U.S. government who

aren't on board the Jewish thing. They see the Jews have gotten control of the U.S. State Department of the U.S. government and now they're trying to maybe kick back a little bit because they're seeing that they're driving the country over the ledge, but not, you know, maybe

in the entire world. Because you may get a, you know, a third world war out of this conflict, you know, and is Israel, is the real estate they're worth it, you know? So there's probably some, um, some remnants of the sort of the WASP elite that used to control things, uh, that have been displaced. I don't know if they have the power anymore to really do that. Uh, because, uh, in the ensuing decades, you know, they've sort of been nudged aside by the Jews, particularly like in the State Department.

But the neo-conservatives and the Jews and now are controlling U.S. foreign policy. And it's so, but nevertheless, you probably have elements within the CIA and the State Department who don't like this, you know. And they're, so they're letting the story out. The same thing with sort of the skepticism towards Ukraine, where the Washington, was it the, was it the, was it the New York Times writing articles about the Ukraine, all that, which is that makes you believe that the CIA is doing that. So that's an organ for the CIA. So there are elements there. So it used to be, you know, U.S. farm policy was controlled by wasps. And you did have, this is something that the E. Michael Jones talks about how

right after the Second World War, or during the Second World, right after you had Jews like Henry Morgan Thayer, Harry Dexter White, and Jews within the Franklin Delano and a Rose administration. and pushing sort of this Crethaginian peace against Germany through the Morgenthau plant. And they wanted to simply to starve Germans to death and destroy it.

And cooler heads prevailed. And these were wasps who still had the still controlled things for the most part. And they were able to nudge Morgenthau and his crowd aside and take over foreign policy. And the Dulles wing and all that sort of the wasps. But back then, the wasps were still very powerful

if not ultimately in control and the Jews were up and coming. Now the Jews are ascendant and they control things and the Waspahar, you know, after so many years have been, have dwindled and they suddenly don't, they don't even control Harvard and Yale anymore, which is sort of their power source.

And that, you know, that's Harvard and Yale control who becomes elite in the country, Harvard and Yale. And so you're probably seeing some pushback because everyone's looking at these crazy Jews running things. they're thinking, you know, someone's got to call the halt of this. Adults have to step in and stop this.

You know, have to stop to Victoria Newlands from doing the, Anthony Blinkins from doing this. Yeah. Well, the, um, speaking of World War II, um, when you look at some of the people who, like, especially, um, at the end of the war when the decision whether Truman was going to recognize, even recognize Israel as a state, You have people like James Forrestall and I believe George C. Marshall, who we're telling them absolutely don't.

Don't. This is a real, you're going to alienate yourself from certain powers in the world if you do this. And, you know, Marshall eventually back down and Forrestall actually jumped out of a window. Yes, because we all know, because only crazy people oppose Jews. So yeah, so he opposed Jews, which means that he's insane. He, you know, they broke him as I, as somebody accused me on Twitter today, he goes, you've been broken. And they broke you.

And I'm like, who's they? Because, you know, because I talk about, you know, Jewish power and, you know, the Jewish takeover of the United States. And, you know, so you look at, like, people who. at the time we're saying, you know, we shouldn't even recognize who this is. And then what were 75 years later, and they basically run our foreign policy. Um, what was the first act of our new speaker for the house? Oh, yeah, to, um, pass a resolution that we support Israel. Uh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I, I, to a standing ovation. There was the one thing that It was very contentious, for one of understand.

I'm told the House of representatives, very contentious, a lot of bitter politics. But for that, one issue, everyone stood in standing ovation. I think they're still clapping. No one wants to be the first to stop. Yeah, it's one of those things where if you see this government, the United States government, if you see both sides agree on something, you should question whatever they're agreeing upon. Yeah, whenever something passes like 405 to 10, you know you're in trouble. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, you're getting, it's a bad idea. I wanted to go back to the Josh Paul thing for a second because in his, in his interview, he said something. I guess this was considered like an exit interview. He gave like one interview to PBS. And he was talking about the fact that what he, in doing arms deals, he would have to do what they call Leahy vetting. and Leahy vetting is like if you're going to sell something to Egypt. If you're going to sell arms to Egypt, you have to vet and make sure they're not going to,

those arms are not going to end up at the hands of, you know, the most radical factions in a country. And Paul brought up the fact that there is a Leahy vetting process for Israel. It has never found, it has never found an Israeli unit to be guilty of a gross violation of human rights. And he says it's a broken system. And the interviewer says, okay, well, you could argue that this isn't proof that the vetting, the State Department does do, you say, of the Israeli defense forces, have not found a violation of Leahy. Does that mean they don't violate Leahy? And Josh Ball says, well, they have identified many.

They have not been able to come to a conclusion, which requires senior level sign off within the department. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who's going to press that? Yeah. So the interviewer goes, just to be clear, are you saying that there have been units inside Israel's defense force that the State Department has been concerned about? And Josh Paul said, yes. So what does that tell you? Well, it said, when you're only 2% of the population, you're not going to have enough people to staff these bureaucracies.

You're going to either have to have compliant, you know, Shabbos-Gor. Or again, people who occasionally do. do their job. But then you do have enough to staff them at senior positions or to have those in senior positions be compromised or be so politically sensitive to know what they can and cannot do, right, because of the prevailing politics of the situation. So they know you can't press it too hard because ultimately the political leadership with the country is completely bought off. That's another thing. They've created a political class that is so compromised and so venal and corrupt.

It can't even make good decisions anymore, which ultimately probably is going to hurt Israel. That's what we have now. I mean, like I said, there's no one there to straighten them out and say, hey, you know, to have the character the backbone to tell Beebe that he's going too far. What he's doing is reckless and stupid because they're, you know, they're all paid the clap like seals when he speaks, you know. They're either bribe, blackmailed, or brainwashed into believing this stuff. You saw that guy on Capitol, saw a video of a guy going on Capitol, asked.

seeing various, these are conservative congressmen, senators, and they're all Christian Zion is talking about end time prophecies. Right. Yeah, I mean, that's not scary at all, right? It's talking about Magog and Agog and Ignaug, whatever. You know, they, what? It's like, you're nuts. Well, yeah, I mean, we, I think we know that.

Those of us who were brought up in a, brought up in a faith, in a Christian faith, than a Christian liturgical tradition that doesn't fall for this, you know, the Jews are God's chosen people. Apparently, like, was it, was that Bo Burton claimed? I started to ask her, you know, the one that was getting her breast fondled in a movie theater. Yeah. And she's there, she's there talking about how the only two, the only two countries that are blessed by God are the United States and Israel. Yeah, you know, it's great. you know, there's a, there was the promise to Abraham that those who bless, you know, those who bless you, who, basically they say those who bless Israel will be blessed.

So since 1948, pornography, usury, going off the gold standard, inflation, what else, abortion, abortion on demand, what? Feminism family breakup. feminism, transgenderism. Tim, I don't know if I can take much more of these blessings. I'm so blessed. When do the curses start? Yes. And what are you talking about?

I mean, that's like, okay. Imagine trying to deal with hardness, geopolitical, you know, issues with these people? No. I wonder that, I mean, it's like. You start, you start quoting Schm. to them and they're like, what? Yeah. Who?

Is that a Jew? Okay, that's all well and good about God. The United States, but you know the Russians have missiles that can take out aircraft carriers? At that point, you negotiate with them, you know, you say, oh, okay, I can see you're a big country and there's some countries to your western border, give you a buffer area. We don't expand into your, closer to, you know, into your border. we don't put nuclear missiles in a neighboring country. Perhaps it's a good idea to maybe to neutralize the Ukraine, to declare it a neutral state and give the eastern provinces,

all of most people whom are Russian there anyway, and say, call it a day and let you complete your pipeline and all that. No, no, we've got to deal with these fantasies about Putin being Hitler and Israel is blessed by God. And we have to still prophecy by letting the Israelis bomb to Smith, Marines, Palestinians, and Gaza. with our weaponry. So whatever.

All right. The last thing I wanted to really bring up about all this is, now, if you have a Twitter account, I don't know what it is. If you have a Twitter account, you probably lurk and watch what's going on. When you look at the protests, when you look at how Musk has done a pretty damn good job

of allowing people to express their feelings, even if they are seen to be and called out as, quote, unquote, anti-Semitic, when you see the amount of people who are just really speaking out about this and who, you know, Ben Shapiro or any of these blaze, you know, some of the blaze people and some of, you know, a lot of the Daily Wire guys, when you see them just getting ratioed,

and when you see them just getting taken down, when you see people posting quotes by Solzhenyson from 200 years together and quotes from, you know, Uri Selskind and things like that. And Ron Un's quotes about Jews being the greatest mass murderers of the 20th century. Does this, what does that mean? I mean, could you, first of all, for those of us who, you know, someone like me who started really diving into the subject, you know, the subject of the whole, Holocaust in, you know, 25 years ago, I didn't think in my lifetime there would ever, ever be open

discussions and comments like we're seeing now. Yeah, they've done it to themselves, though. You know, when they start, they've, they've, the Holocaust cars still doesn't work anymore. I mean, it's, you know, people, you know, that, like that, that, that, that, that, uh, stunt at the Israeli Unabaster wearing a gold star. People were laughing at that. I saw it's one AI thing where apparently there's an AI news report, where the voice saying that he threatened to gas himself unless UN condemns Hamas.

And there was a resolution passed and the UN to actually pay for the gas cheaper. And so when the Holocaust starts becoming a joke, that's a big problem. And they'll press further to build more museums and doctrinate more. And you'll see those percentages in the pull you show me, the younger people go, they're not going to fall for it. They don't care about it, especially when you have this. You're carrying out the spectacle. They're carrying out mass, you know, they're carrying out ethnic cleansing and killing thousands of people daily in, in Gaza.

You know, it's just not to mention the fact, it's the literature is out there now. The fact they've had a full quick press for censorship. to keep people from talking about it, Matt, from asking questions. They're claiming paragliders now are now anti-Semitic. I mean, I'm the amount of people who contact me privately, when they hear me quoting like Salshaneson or Israel Shahak or Selskine or Maurice, was they, Maurice Samuel, people who are contacts me go, okay, what book is at? I need to read this. Where do I start?

Is just, I mean, it's remarkable. People want to know this. People don't want to, it's like people don't want to rely upon, you know, podcasters and other, and social media, people on social media to do this research forum. They want to do it themselves. Well, yeah, I encourage people to do that. Read a book, as I say. Read the books. I mean, don't, yeah. Yeah, it's out there if you want to read it. The Jewish Virtual Library. Yes. They keep their own history.

It's funny because one of my favorite books is Jews in Modern Capitalism by Werner Sombard. He wrote it in 19, like 1912, 1912, 1913. And half of the references in it are Jewish encyclopedias. Yeah. they keep meticulous records of what they do. It's what, like the Jewish virtual library is one of the most, one of the greatest unironic sources out there.

I mean, as one of, or ironic, maybe is a better, you know, if you wanted to find out about Irgun or Leahy or, um, is it pronounced Leahy or Leahy or Lehi,

I can never know. Leigh, yeah, is Leigh. And, um, the Haganah, if you want to find out about these things,

if you want to find out about the King David Hotel bombing. If you want to find out about the Patria incident, if you want to find out about the Potria affair, if you want to find out about the Levant affair, you can go to the Jewish virtual library kept and written by Jews, their own

history, and you can read about these things. Yep. They don't hide them. But nevertheless, you're accused, again, of engaging anti-Semitic tropes in Karnas and conspiracy theory, if you point out, you know,

the history of Jewish power, how that power has been abused. I was just reading about, you know, the Israeli nuke program was a bunch of American Jews who have been trusted with national security to develop

uranium for the nuclear program. And what did they do? They sold, they shipped it off to Israel. Am I Newbeck? Yeah. Yeah. Well, maybe you shouldn't have Jews entrusted with this because they have a

devotion to another state, to another people. this is a problem. That's that's saying dual loyalty, Tim. That's anti-Semitic. It's like, this is conspiracy. I'm just really saying that there's an ethnic group that has anordinate financial, cultural, economic, political power, and they're going to use that to pursue their

interest. Is that, I mean, sorry, is that, that's not a concept you can grasp? You're talking about in this country, specifically the Filipino. right yes and especially if you're dealing with a group that's the group years group that ever grouped as someone says described them and that's one of their great strengths and it's a strength that people should learn from yeah people study and learn yeah and apply um but but no one everyone else is denied every every other person a group if they express that ethnic identity is pathologized, you know, and condemned, particularly white ethnics, because they have enough agency

and, I guess, competency and intelligence to challenge the Jews. There's other groups that don't see it's quite threatening, so they can encourage that to a certain extent, you know, like with blacks or minority groups. But then again, as we know, if they go too far, and then there's a hierarchy here, you know. So if, you know, it's, if they get restless, the Jewish powers will work to suppress them. Remind them who's boss. Where do you think a lot of these people go from here? So Ben Shapiro has been a stark raving lunatic, a madman, basically calling for genocide. Laura Lumer, who was at the American Renaissance conference in 2022, which is, you know, great. You know, hey, you know, let's invite her.

Let's invite her to our get-togethers. She's talking about turning, just genociding. Yeah. You know, the Palestinians. You have other Daily Wire people. You have blaze people. You have, I've been blocked by the, what's that Canadian? The ones in Canada and then Canada, I can't remember what the hell they're called up there.

I've been blocked by a couple of them. I mean, how did they come back from this? How does a Ben Shapiro go from what he is right now, which he's basically exposing what he is? I'm sure you've seen the video somebody spliced together of him saying, I've been accused of saying that I want the United States to fight Israel's wars. Israel can take care of itself. And then it splits over to, you know, the more recent one where he's talking about

the United States needs to support Israel, you know, and things. How do these people come back from this? What happens if this? So basically the Gaza is getting flattened right now. You know, thousands or thousands of being are being murdered. So this all ends. How do these people continue? What do they do?

He goes back to complaining about trainees. Is that what he does? Yeah. talking about, you know, claiming that he's pro-life and, you know, and then talking about transgenderism or, you know. Speaking out against identity politics, unless it's Jewish identity politics. It's Jewish, yes. Yeah.

And what matters to them, foremost, is they're Jewish, which is the problem. It's the question. That's always been the question, you know. That is. I mean, an alien people who are, who claim who either are given or sort of, they've, wiggle the ways in their in their power and use that mispositions of power and trust in our society to pursue their narrow interests and that's the problem and you can tolerate them on the the historical at least the catholic way was uh uh security security day's non meaning that the jews

should go unmolested not bother but he has no right to corrupt society and that implied in that is a certain out of controls. You don't give them the keys to the kingdom, if you will. Tolerate them, but you don't let them have cultural economic power. You don't give them, you don't make them Secretary of State or the Director of Central Intelligence or Assistant Director of Central

Intelligence or or the head of the CDC and all these things because they use it for their interest or trust them to refine uranium because they're going to sell to Israel. you know,

as you watch them bulldozing pizza shops in Gaza because the owner of the pizza shop tweeted out something pro Hamas, you know, what people don't see with that happening. When that happens is that

if they got the chance, they would do that here. They already used their golems and the police force and the government to basically go after people here who have opinions contrary to theirs. Yes. But when you see them doing that because somebody has a wrong opinion, just I think people need to realize if they had their way here, your house would be bulldo. They bulldoze people's houses in Gaza and on the West Bank for basically throwing a rock. Yeah.

And if your daughter, if you 12-year-old daughter, why don't try to stop the bulldozer, they'd run her over. Yeah. But that's, but she's not human, Tim, because, you know, she was, she's been trained this way. And, you know, just because she was born in a prison, you know, doesn't mean that. that they have, she has to, um, she has to have a certain opinion of her captors. Yeah. Yeah. She should be grateful that they actually, you know, are letting, letting her live to an average

age of, what was the average age people live to there? 40, if you're lucky. Because the average age there right now is 18. The median age is 18, right? Well, the caloric intake is, what's it below? I think it's like, uh, like half the, uh, the required intake for healthy development. Right.

Yeah, and people, and people Westerners have a tendency, especially the ones who've bought into all the, all the propaganda and the Hasbara from the Israeli government and the Zionist government is that because there are parts of Gaza that look modern, have buildings.

They really don't look modern. They look like a lot of buildings in Eastern Europe that were built right around the late 80s. because of that it's like oh oh look look they're complaining that they that they say that they were living in these squalid conditions and now look and they're complaining because these nice houses have been have been bombed and they've fallen see they didn't live in bad conditions and really if you do say that then you have to look at like one of um you know ben Shapiro's old tweets where he said that hashtag settlements rock, Israelis like to build,

and Palestinians like to destroy and live in their own feces. Yes. Yeah. And, you know, Ben Shapiro will be the first person to tell you, look, I have a page out there where I, I've gone over all these terrible things that I've said. yeah he walks him back when he gets called on him yeah so that you can keep sending in send in the ten dollars to daily wire and you know we'll basically take down this you know we'll shrink the government for you well at some point we're going to shrink the government

and get rid of these trannies and you know and you know abortion abortion won't be here any longer where does bencher get his funding um the wilks the wilks um Christian, Christian Zionists who are so Zionists that they basically, their church is basically Jewish. That's not an exaggeration. Yeah. The Wilkes oil money. He's there to keep all the concerns as corralled. Yes.

Yeah. He's a good gatekeeper. He basically, you know, after Jonah Goldberg basically, um, destroyed his reputation. by writing stupid books like liberal fascism. And just basically destroying his reputation for just being a piece of crap himself. They needed someone younger and someone a little more fast talking. And he's probably smarter than Goldberg, too. So they got Shapiro.

Yeah, I remember like the odds. All the concerns were quote Jenna Goldberg. And there was a National Review Online that was, they were all looking at. Yeah. Yeah. It was, the odds was quite a time.

I remember when, I remember when Glenn Beck wasn't threatening to, wasn't petitioning to move to Israel and become a Jew. I heard that. They won't take you. Go away, goy, due to our business over there.

It's like, but he took his kids. I was going to Israel and Auschwitz, right? Or it was vice versa. I don't know. Did he Was he able to go in the swimming pool?

I don't know. Yeah. But yeah, that's the power, you know, that's the whole, that whole narrative there. So it's the, you know, that's, you know, they can't. Again, they overplay it. Now people are just rolling their eyes at this point. Yeah. At least a lot out of, maybe not a lot, most, but a lot of people are now.

Yeah, I think the great thing about this is it has. exposed a lot of people it has exposed a lot of people no one's is no one's Israel does not look like a sympathetic you know a country here oh I'm yeah what the Jews have done domestically here with the you know whole cancel culture and the law and free speech people became pretty fed up with it no fight your own wars I mean you why doesn't Ben Shapiro go to Israel. He's young enough to fight in the IDF still. Yeah.

Yeah, he is actually young enough. I like it how the Israeli, the Jewish students here are claiming they're feeling threatened because of the protests. Well. I guess when I feel threatening because Black Lives Matter protest or Antifa protests, no, I shouldn't. They should be shut down because I feel threatened by them.

And the Shabbas and the Shabbas goal is up there. in Boston are running around taking pictures of the protesters and doxing them on the side of trucks and things like that. Yeah. Yeah. You know, the guy Ackerman, he wants to have a blacklist. Why can I hire these people? Yeah. Again, we're going to give the universities money so they can be universities.

Then if they, if people on university say things you don't, we disagree with, we'll pull the funding. It's all Israel. Everything else I didn't care about, by the way. They're trying to claim these are like right-wing Jews that are upset. They didn't care about Antifa and Black Lives Matter. All the other nonsense is just this one issue is Israel. Again, it's always Israel. Always something needs to be done.

I think the narrative is breaking. I think and I think people just need to keep the pressure on. If you're doing your social media thing, your digital thing, of putting information out there. Just keep it up. Just keep it up because it really is, it's not only opening, I mean, you see a lot of people.

I mean, you see a UFC fighter now who is just openly speaking out against not only Israel and Zionists, but he's using the term Jew. And it's, this isn't, it's because some people just aren't, people aren't afraid of it. anymore. And people just aren't afraid anymore. They're just like, I've, I've kept shut up long enough. I've known there's something wrong for a long time. And it has to do with people with these certain last names. And I can't stay shut anymore. Well, you can't ignore the 800 pound rabbi in the room. Well, I mean, I think we've gone down enough rabbi trails tonight. So, um, well,

Well, I mean, his father Feeney in the 50s, you said, having a TV in your room was like having a rabbi in your living room. It's a bad idea. That's a great line. That's a great line. You need that sort of consciousness. Yeah. Yeah. Until you have that consciousness, you know, that's what Sombard's book, Jews and modern capitalism did to me, especially when it came to finance.

And it came to anything, anything that had anything to do with commerce. I just saw clearly exactly the way things were. were designed. And I was like, oh, wow, slavery. We just choose our own slavery. Yep. The magic of compound interest. Yeah.

All right, Tim, tell everybody where they can find your work. Well, just our interesting times and also powers of principalities, find out potomatic. I guess that's it. Yeah. Always a pleasure. Thank you so much. I want to welcome everyone back to the Pete Cagnan show.

about time I get back to reading this book, Race Warren High School by Saltzman. My guest this evening is Tim Kelly. How are you doing, Tim? Good evening. How are you doing? I'm doing well. Doing well. I need to finish this book up because it's been so eye-opening.

But now we're starting to get into the post-mortems and see where, how this all ends up. It ends up and welcome back. right? Yeah, that's exactly. What's really funny, though, is there was a time where it basically, the violence went away, the mass violence went away. And, you know, there was, you know, I mean, I was in public school at this time, you know, well, not at this time, but, you know, years after, you know, a good 15 years after this.

And you had your typical fight, you fights got. You know, people getting and throwing punches and stuff like that. But it wasn't this mass like organized. It wasn't political the most part. Yeah, yeah. It was mostly, you know, give me your bus pass, that kind of crap. Yeah. But then, you know, they couldn't let it go.

And then I think really the thing that kicked it off again was the Tawada Brawley thing. Oh, yes. Upstate New York. You remember that? Yeah, there was, she claimed she had been, um, uh, kidnapped and, sexually assaulted and raped and written like with markers and left in a dumpster if I recall and that was of course that's when uh Reverend Al Sharpton uh came on the national scene oh yeah that uh that wonderful human being yeah that's uh FBI informant number or what one five seven

four something like and I mean and just a very stupid human being yes it's just a a moron and and that's That's being, that's really being mean to morons. I don't think he was, he had been awarded the merit scholarship at any time in his academic career. He was, I don't think he was a regents graduate like myself in high school in New York. But he knew, he knew how to get publicity for himself. Yeah. And to avoid paying off, you know, lawsuit settlements that he'd lost.

There were times when he would have people go down into the trains, into the train stations and stand in front of the trains. I stand in front of traffic on the bridges and train traffic on the bridges. I mean, the guy, he was, the fact that people followed him probably says more about those people than it does about Al Sharpton. But yeah, he was, I think, the inspiration for the character Reverend Bacon and Tom Wolfe's book, Bonfire of the Vanities. Yeah. All right. So let me get this.

let me share this so people can see it. All right. All right, here we go. And Tim, you know you have permission to stop me at any time to comment. Okay. Yep. Chapter 6, Union Politics and Post Mortems. If John Lindsay's future was to be found at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington, D.C.,

Albert Schenkers was at 815-16th Street Northwest, the headquarters of the AFL-CIO in the nation's capital. In 1969, the UFT president, head of the largest local union in America, narrowly missed election to George Meaney's AFL-CIO Executive Council. He wouldn't miss the next time around. At the age of 41, his future seemed boundless. Like everything else in America, the nation's labor movement was undergoing rapid change. its white face and blue collar configuration was being modified as increasing numbers of black laborers, white collar employees, and government workers were being unionized.

So basically, he just described the three groups that make up progressivism. Yeah, and it's kind of funny. You had this growth of public employee unions at this time, which was an interesting development. As the 1960s brought an influx of office workers and municipal employees into the ranks of organized labor, Albert Shanker was viewed by many as the one leader most capable of speaking for, and to this newly emerging constituency within the labor movement, the blacks, the professionals, the white-collar workers, and the employees in the public sector. He was president of a local, which by 1970 had a membership

in excess of 56,000, the largest in the nation, and was about to add another 10,000 black and Puerto Rican employees who had been recruited into the New York City school system as paraprofessionals. Community people hired to assist teachers in the classroom. No, what type of community or what caliber were these people? They could come into schools and help the teachers, supposedly. I think when I mentioned them before, someone in the comments said that they had a parent or a grandparent who was working in the schools at this time, and they had to hide everything from the paraprofessionals because purses and anything of value would walk off when they were around. Okay.

So they didn't add to the academic or environment of. Basically, they were supposed to be there to, if the students, got rowdy instead of the white face telling them to sit down or what it should have been, was sit down or I'm going to shoot you. They had someone in the community to tell them that. And they were getting paid. And now they're about to be unionized. Just as organized labor has seen its own future tied up in an alliance with the

National Civil Rights Movement, the New York Teachers Union had ordered as a as its first priority, a rebuilding of the coalition it had formed with the city's minority groups, a coalition that had been all but permanently destroyed by the Great School Strike of 1968. And this was the Ocean Front Brownsville strike? Yeah, that, yeah, that was, yes. And that was the, yeah, and that was, it was. But that was 67, right? That was 967.

Yeah, yeah, no, no. That was a part of that, all that trouble, though. wasn't it? Yeah, I can't remember what, I can't remember what this one was termed that have to go back in the book. Because it's, it, that I know that was one of the events that signaled the, uh, the breakup of the black Jewish alliance that had been forged, you know, for since 1909 with the opening NWACP. Yeah, this one, I think that one was localized and this one was citywide. Citywide, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So,

All right. That number one UFT priority was to operate in 1969 to the detriment of high school teachers in general and of those of Franklin K. Lane in particular. The 1968 school strike had elevated Schenker to a position of national prominence. Labor unions all over the country recognize the implications of the Ocean Hill style of community control and realizing that the UFT was fighting only the first phase of a battle. that might ultimately come to them, they were quite willing to contribute the $220,000 George Meaney had called for to pay the fine that would certainly be imposed against the teachers' union for its illegal strike.

The New York State Taylor Law specifically prohibited strikes by public employees. I mean, doesn't that, first of all... Why was there a strike? Well, why are there public unions? Yeah. How do state employees get union? Okay.

Well, good. They're, because they have these rare skills that can't be attained anywhere else. So they're easy to unionize because they're high level of competency and skill. Yeah. And also, they donate a lot of money to politicians after they sign a huge,

you know, compensation agreements. And then they kick back to the politicians. And 30 years later, the city goes bankrupt. I think in the last chapter, it said that Schenker had set it up so that the union donated equally to the three mayoral candidates in the previous election. So they didn't seem to be choosing sides. So whoever won, they, you know, they were golden.

So they buy the support with the taxpayer money. then you kick it back to the politician, but then returns the favor with, you know, salary increases and, you know, I guess compensation packages and, you know, with retirement packages. It's just all money laundering it, really. Yeah. In the meantime, there's supposed to be educating somebody, right? Is that what they do? Is that what they're supposed to be doing? Allegedly.

Allegedly. Shanker stock rose even higher a year later when he made a gigantic $60,000 contribution to the International Brotherhood of Electric Workers during the extended General Electric Strike. And he won unprecedented prestige among old line labormen with the UFT's nationally distributed pro-IBEW lesson plans designed for use in classrooms in teaching about the general electric strike. I think it's funny These donations Whenever I read these things back in like pre-1970s It's always been thousands and tens of thousands of dollars Because it's pre-inflationary 70s

But I guess back then $60,000 was a huge It was a large contribution Political contribution Oh very much So I mean what was the average house at that time? $15,000 dollars? Yeah, I was going to kick out of the salaries that people get Yeah

I'm making $5,400 a year What? I remember my mother telling me what she was making in the late 60s, and I was like, you just shake your head because, you know, we grew up in inflation times. Albert Shanker was slowly bringing his union out of the snobbish provincialism that had traditionally kept it aloof from this working class and was steering it into the mainstream of the American labor movement. This virtually guaranteed his election to the AFL-CIO executive council the next time. around. David Selden, president of the 109,000 member parent body, the American Federation of Teachers, would normally have been the choice for the AFLCAIO slot, but he was in no position to stand in Shanker's way. The New York local, with its 60,000 members, misrepresented almost a third of the

let me do that again. The New York local, with its 60,000 members represented almost a third of the AFT's total membership. I don't know why that was such a difficult sentence for me. There's a 40 and slip maybe, I don't know. Yeah, but also, as we mentioned in previous episode, of those 60,000 members, two-thirds belong to, I think they're Amish. So there are 60,000 teachers. Have that right in New York?

Yes. And 40,000 of them are. or Amish. I guess just because they work hard. I don't know. And then you have Shanker and Selden. People wonder why there are problems in public education. While Selden was one of Shanker's closest friends, he knew where the national base of the nationals base of power was located.

New York giant local was the heart of the national body and Albert Shanker was the power. was the power behind the throne. It was something Dave Selden could never forget, not for a moment, even as he rubbed shoulders with the highest officialdom of government in Washington, D.C. Selden and Shanker had been joined

by George Altamare in the 1950s to form the triumvirate that gave the American Federation of Teachers its very first local union with collective bargaining rights. In the late 50s and early 60s, the Selden- Shanker Altamare combination made the Teachers Union in New York City.

George Altamari began his teaching career as a social studies instructor in a Queens County Junior High School after his graduation from the City College of New York in 1953. I'm just remembering something that Murray Rothbard once said. He said that CCNY stood for circumcised citizens of New York. That was one of the only schools that would take. Jews in the early 19thetriks. Before circumcision was normalized. Oh, man.

The degradation to which teachers were subjected by an educational system based on caste pushed Altamari into the union movement. It had been the traditional policy of the city school boards to keep teachers divided by cultivating differences among them and by plenty. playing off the many different teacher organizations against one another. So Machiavelli now, I admire that. Yeah, I mean, hey. By pitting group against group, division against division,

the school board had been successful in preventing the formation of any one single professional organization that could speak for all the system's employees. The net result was that teachers were among the poorest paid employees in New York. in 1958, the starting salary was $4,000 a year. And that's, yeah. In 1953, Altamari found himself on the same faculty with Albert Shanker, Saul Levine, future UFT vice president, and Dan Sanders, eventual UFT public relations director at junior high school, 126 in Queens.

Shanker Levine Sanders. Yep. Yeah, there's patterns. There, in opposition to what they viewed as a tyrannical administration, they formed a militant chapter of the New York City Teachers Guild, the forerunner of the UFT. Shanker and Altamari, both in their mid-20s, made it to the executive board of the 3,000 member guild and injected new life into the organization. By 1956, Shanker was organizing full-time for the Guild as a special representative employed by the National AFT, while Selden working for the Guild as its full-time director of organization. But it was Altamare, who had moved on to a teaching post at Franklin K. Lane High School,

who made the most outstanding contribution toward the achievement of a single unified teacher union in New York. the greatest obstacle to unity was the powerful high school teachers association, which had consistently refused to merge with a guild. It was Altamari who ingeniously laid the foundation for a merger with a dissident group within the HSTA. Now, this is all being done to improve education, right? Yes. Yeah. Isn't that, that's the point, right?

Isn't that why people become teachers? Isn't that way Is that way people become police Because they want to protect and serve Is that why people become politicians Does they want to serve the people? I've seen all the movies Like I don't know

Like Blackboard Jungle To serve with love What was the other one? Up the Down staircase Remember that one? Mm-hmm So yeah the heroic teachers And then the later ones like stand and deliver

And what was that? Those are so terrible. Who's the one with the lady? It was Michelle Pfeiffer, wasn't it? Michelle Pfeiffer and she learned, you know, she, I guess the enlightened. But she learns more than the kids, by the way, at the end of the movie. Of course. Of course.

Yeah, it's like at the end of every South Park episode. I learned something today. Disagreements had been the normal order of things among elementary junior high school and senior high school teachers. The latter group earned a higher. salary because they were required to show more college credits than teachers in the other divisions. The Guild, whose limited strength was outside the high schools, had as one of its major policy positions, a single salary schedule for all teachers. So it doesn't matter who, how well you're educated. It doesn't matter how well your students score on, you know,

testing, however you feel about. Or what you're teaching, like chemistry versus, you know, history or something. Yeah, or a gym teacher. Yeah. I mean, yeah, this is the word that, you know, remember the issue of merit pay and all that? Yeah. That was in the 80s education with all that. Yeah. So basically, everyone just, it's all the same no matter what. So you don't, how you perform isn't it? It's basically as tenure, how long you stay there. No, no one sets you on fire. Yeah. Well, well, here, here, look, this looks, this looks promising. This was to be achieved by giving the lower. grade teachers the opportunity to earn as much money as high school teachers if they produced the same number of college credits. The HST, on the other hand, demanded the maintenance of the salary and status differential based on the notion that high school teachers were cut above

their counterparts in the lower grades. So we got class war going on. There had been numerous meetings between Guild and HSTA officials between 1956 and 1959 aimed at merger, but high school teachers rebuff their own leadership each time HSTA officials broached the subject of merger and parity. The first opportunity for a breakthrough came in 1959. A group of high school teachers who worked in the city's 16 evening high schools to supplement their day school income voted to strike the evening schools. It was the first time any group of New York City school employees dared challenge the state's Condon-Wodlin law, which called for the dismissal of striking teachers. The strike, can we talk about the fact that who are these evening school teachers teaching exactly?

Yeah, and try to figure that out. There's kids going to school in the evening. Hmm. Hmm. Are these the ones that are hooked on, I mean, you read the first couple chapters, and it's like, oh, there's kids, there's high school kids shooting heroin in school. Yeah. The grievance, is it pay or is it the fact that they're teaching in a war zone? I mean, hazard pay would definitely be something that I would just walk out. There's no way. I've said it numerous times reading this. There's no way. I mean, if I was a white student, I wouldn't be going back. It's just ridiculous.

That's another thing when you talk about the racial problems. The racial problems. The racial. problems are always black kids beating up white kids. I guess you could say it's racial, but you're really not really not describing the situation or the circumstances or the nature of the conflict. By the way, Tim, happy Martin Luther King Day. Right. Stan Lee Leibisand, I mean, Martin Luther King Day. Oh, that's awesome.

This old joke was that, you know, Stanley Levinson were alive today, he'd be a conservative. So. The strike of the evening school teachers was a landmark, a huge success resulting in salary gains approaching 100%. Again, what are the students getting out of this? But more importantly, it brought together Guild and HSTA activists on the picket lines for the first time, both ardently supporting the strike of the independent evening school teachers.

That 1959 strike was a watershed, proving first that people from the rival organizations could work together. And second, that in unity, New York school teachers could make great strides forward. The evening classes, was that a function overcrowding, perhaps? I don't remember that this is, I don't remember them mentioning evening teachers,

evening classes before in the book. Maybe they had like a schedule. Well, they'd staggered the classes, like one, one full day. And they, because of the overcrowding issue, they'd shift an evening or something. I don't know. Maybe. Well, they definitely had the, they, they had overlapping. So there would be like 10 period days and like, like, students would come in for seven of those periods.

And then another set of students would come in in the third period and stay through to the end. But I don't know, I don't know about these evening classes. I'm assuming when it comes to these evening classes and the students, I'm just basically assuming the worst. Well, I don't know, maybe like a work of a solution would have been like day classes for the white kids and evening classes with black kids. But they're just getting, I mean, they just had the great society is what, three years old, four years old. This is great. Well, I figure, you know, classes end and they can go play midnight basketball. Oh, yeah.

See? Just thinking of a joke. A friend of mine made an evening basketball reference the other day, and well, a couple months ago, and my response probably got us taken down from YouTube. All right, going on. The evening teacher strikes at the stage for new secret merger talks between Altamari and the HSTA dissidents with whom he had worked and who also wanted a single United organization.

It was Altamari's great triumph, and both Selden and Shanker took a back seat to the young high school teacher. Endowed with great talents of diplomacy and personal persuasion, he manipulated the older and more experienced HSTA leaders. Even the guild president, Charles Kogan, watched an amazement as Altamari wheeled and deal, breaking the HSTA leadership apart. By fomenting dissension from within their ranks, he brought enough HSTA dissonance into secondary positions of leadership within the guild to give the impression that a bona fide merger had been accomplished. It had a snowball effect as more high school teachers came over until the legitimate HSTA officials had no choice but to go along. George Otamare, almost single-handedly, achieved a minor miracle. by 1960, the newly created United Federation of Teachers was petitioning the school board for a collective bargaining election to determine which organization would have exclusive rights to bargain for and represent all the city's teachers. I'm not saying that teacher, I mean, obviously teachers are getting paid and they want to get paid.

I'm just saying that what we see as the fruits of all of this is race war and teacher getting set on fire. And then, what, five years after this, four years after this, five years after this, Johnson basically destroys the United States. for, and we've been suffering through what he did ever since. $1.10 later? Yep. Altamari's star was about to reach at Zena. He had been strike chairman for the Guild in addition to being a member of its executive board.

In the 1960 post-merger election, he won the position of assistant treasurer. And in 1961, he was elected vice president for the academic high schools, a post he retained for the entire decade of the. the 60s, except for a two-and-one-half-year stint as a full-time UFT organizer. In the meantime, Albert Shanker had continued to work for and advised the newly created union as a full-time AFT staffer. But in 1962, he plunged into the organization's political maze, running for and winning the post of secretary on the ticket headed by Union President Charles Kogan.

Slates headed by Kogan, Schenker, and and Altamare went on to outpull opposition tickets for practically all officer and executive board positions, and the Unity Caucus soon emerged as the most powerful and broadly based party in the union. In 1962, the UFT leadership negotiated its first contract, the first ever for a teacher organization anywhere in the nation, and they were on their way. They had called two strikes, each for a one-day duration. The first one took place in 1960 to force a collective bargaining election that the board was trying to put off, and another one-day stoppage in 1962 pressed home the union's negotiating demands. By 1963, it was a well-established organization

with the fastest-growing membership in the labor movement. And this is the spiked the fact that the law prohibiting social union had not been repealed. Yes. Yes. yes I wonder if they're going to go into that when it does get repealed or if it does or if it's one of those laws that they just gets overlooked to the point like pretty much all the laws when it comes to public sector workers when in the United States. The UFT successfully negotiated its first contract in 1962 and a new two-year agreement was right. in 1963. Charles Cogan, president of the Guild since 1952, had the grandfather image necessary to win teacher confidence in public support for the struggling new union in the early 60s. But Cogan, an eminently decent person, never had the ruthless ambition or political savvy to consolidate his hold on the top spot, and by 1964, his ability to control and direct the leadership of

the rapidly growing local was questionable. And after having been the brains behind the power for eight years, Albert Shanker was getting impatient. In 1964, the Selden, Shanker, Altamari Triumvirate, mapped out the future of the New York local as well as that of the parent national body. Kogan would be eased out and replaced by Shanker as the unity candidate in the 1964 Union General Election. That summer, they would put Kogan forth as the progressive candidate for the Democratic candidate for the AFT presidency, which until then had been controlled by Charles Meagel of the more conservative Chicago local. If Kogan won, Selden would go with him as number two man in the national organization who is likely successor. And how let's just keep coming back to the question of

how this has helped to improve education. Education. People, yeah, I guess they're building my own little political empires. Yeah. It worked out precisely the way they planned it for everyone except George Altamari. Most people thought in terms of a Shanker Altamari ticket in 1964 with the high school vice president running for secretary, the number two spot on the slate. It was a natural. Shanker and Altamari were contemporaries.

They had begun their teaching careers together at the same junior high school in Queens. holding similar socio-political views. I can just imagine what those are. Holding similar sociopolitical views, they were a highly compatible team, and in those early years of union activism, they developed a close friendship. Altamari recognized in respect to Shanker's gifted intellect, and Shanker acknowledged the organizing prowess and charismatic personality that enabled Altamari to draw hundreds of teachers to do volunteer work for the fledgling

a union, never could shanker, having yet to develop the necessary social maturity, hope to hold the personal loyalties that the more gregarious Altamare commanded as a UFT network chairman, a post which kept him in constant contact with the union's school-based grassroots leadership. I mean, can you even consider yourself to be grassroots at this point when you just basically turned yourself into a political machine. Who's your constituency? That's a really good question because it's obviously not the kids.

And all this emphasis on organization, they're like Bolsheviks. It's all these acronyms and everything. Comparing them to Bolsheviks, That's the most racist thing I've heard you said. Oh, sorry. That's right. Medrivix.

Sorry. Probably a little bit closer. Altamari was bitterly disappointed in 1964 when Shanker chose an old-timer Jules Kaladne over him for the second spot on the ticket. Caledney. Caladne. Mm-hmm. But he consoled himself with a reasonably certain feeling.

that after the AFT election, Shanker would tab him for the post of director of organization, which Dave Selden would vacate in moving up to the AFT leadership with Kogan. There were many who thought, in 1964, that George Altamari should have been the unity candidate for president ahead of Shanker. After all, it was Altamari who had engineered the Great Merger, Altamari, whose organizing skills had put together a successful network. And Altamare, as the chief architect of two highly successful and painless strikes, who held the loyalties that could put him over.

But the high school vice president never thought of challenging Shanker for the top job, and at Shanker's request, he even stepped aside for Kaladne. For George Altamari, it was the beginning of a long downward slide. The Shanker Kaladne ticket was. victorious in 1964 as it was in 1966, 1968, and 1970. And that summer, it was Altamari and Selden, who personally engineered the Kogan insurgency at the AFT Convention in Chicago. Now George Altamari waited for his promotion to that prize spot organization.

Quickly. At these conventions, AFT conventions, are they like discussing pedagogical methods and what's the best for us? students. I mean, I'm basically assuming it is any, like any kind of union meeting, it's just typical of what a union meeting would be since, you know, the early 1900s, late 1800s, just has to be. Yeah, I mean, you want to be a fly on the wall just to see how many times students are

mentioned. or education as mentioned. Well, it's a little different like with the trade union because they're negotiated with management to get a bigger cut of the pie,

so to speak. And they're producing a product, which they have to ultimately have to sell, whereas you have a public school system that's supposedly created for the benefit of the public and because the public pays for it, but you have this,

you know, this cabal, if you will, organizing and sort of getting a hold of the public school system, at least a big chunk of it, part of it, and just conspiring to get theirs and organize it. And then who knows, you know, from all the trouble that you read about it in this school in this book is largely they're doing because of the policies they've either implemented or promoted, you know, their social values of their outlook. one of which was, of course, the holy objective of integration. And never questioning that, of course, despite it was a, you know, obviously a manifest disaster from an educational and social standpoint.

Right. Yeah. And they never say, I'm sorry. They say, you're welcome. Right. And move on. And basically when the strife starts happening, when the violence starts happening, they're so on autopilot that they don't want to interrupt that. You see it in the decisions when they get together and they want to make demands. These are the demands we want. And the demands are not that this element that is causing the problems needs to be, you know, exercised and removed. It's, okay, we need to get, we were on autopilot.

We're hitting some bumps. And what do we do to make those, to make it smooth again, but we can't address what the real problem is? And I mean, that's what progressivism is. It's this seemingly everything's getting better, everything's getting better. So when a problem presents itself, it's somebody else's fault. It can't be their organization. It has to be, well, it, it can't be somebody's nature that isn't mixing in and working well,

an integrated situation. It's just something, a problem that they've created that they have to have the solution for. That's what I meant, that's what I meant to say. And that's basically what progressivism is, that's what basically government, government has become what oligarchical, democratic, whatever you want to call this government. Well, this is the presumption that racial, what they call it a racial balance, as if, what's the proper balance?

the presumption that is a desirable goal and it's achievable goal and a practical goal. And they never question that. It's part of their, it's part of the civil rights ideology. And so when it when it predictably creates a disaster and violence, these things, and usually it is one side committing most of violence. their response is

well we need instead of reversing that policy they'll say well we need we need more security in the schools when no one bothersing how come 30 years ago no one needed a cop in the school you know

what happened and then they talk about the changing society well who's changing the society that's just happening what kind of violence on what kind of problems were there in schools before 1954? Yes. That's the question.

Yeah. We see this recently in Virginia, and this is, the governor, Glenn Leanken, is criticizing the decision. There are seven schools in the Fairfax County who decided to hide the merit awards from the top students to promote equity, because it made those who didn't get it. feel like their second class or, I guess, a deficient one way or another, academically. Well, they are relative to the people who won the merit scholarship reward. Seven School Fairfuscit admitted to not informing the students of their prestigious national merit recognition. Now, involved in this a lot of, like, it's the money because it's also scholarship. You're talking hundreds of thousand dollars of value here.

And the kids aren't being told. that they won these things so they can put it on their their applications, their records. It's all because too many people getting it tend to be ethnic Asians or ethnic whites, and not too few blacks or Hispanics. Surprise, surprise.

So what they're doing is because the achievement gap stubbornly stays. They can't close this achievement gap. They just decided to ignore reality and just no longer acknowledged achievement, you know, or merit. Because these are the top three in the country are thinking, like 55,000 students out of millions of students or something. So they decided just to not to talk about it because out of,

and the county hired like a, what they called a equity diversity consultant, paid him close to a half a million dollars per, I don't know who it was, to come up with this plan. This is 1970, 60s and early 70s. It just doesn't change. No. They're going to keep this going.

They created a great grift. And they're not going to let that go. All right. What happened to poor George Altamari here? Now, George Altamari, waited for his promotion to that prize spot organization director. But that reward never came.

For Shanker, in a shrewd and calculated political maneuver, swung his support in the administrative committee to John O'Neill, a former guild organizer and junior high school vice president. For Altamari, this was a stunning setback. As a ranking officer, chairman of the strike network, a loyal supporter and personal friend that a new president, he had expected Shanker's endorsement for the director job. all the years of complete devotion and self-sacrifice for the movement seemed wasted.

He was shunned in favor of a man whose credentials were not nearly as imposing as his own. For almost 11 years, he had toiled teaching school until 3 p.m. and then rushing over to Guild later UFT headquarters in Manhattan to work out the details of an organizational campaign, merger talks, and strike strategy. if in those formative years there was a single man in the movement who could be called indispensable, it surely would have been, surely would have to be George Altamari. But 11 years of laboring around the clock had taken its toll. A hardened union veteran at age 33, he made the faithful decision to give up his vice presidency

to take a lesser job as a full-time UFT organizer. It was a post well beneath his enormous, structure, but he could no longer face the prospect of yet another year of coming to Lane early every morning to face students whom he no longer had the desire to teach. Do you wonder why? And then beginning his real work day at 4 p.m. at the union office, a day that rarely ended before the wee hours in the morning. By 1964, he was tired physically and emotionally spent, and the full-time organizing job was a straw.

He grabbed it. Altamari became a member of the full-time UFT staff in 1964, and although Shanker let him retain the network chairmanship, he could never quite accept the automatic relegation to a non-policy-making role. For Shanker, Altamari represented an internal threat, the man who was in constant communication with the union's grassroots leaders. This is like reading the early council,

of the Russian Revolution and the early days of the Bolshek regime and the maneuvering of Trotsky and Stalin and Kamenov and Radak. The only difference is that the peasants were the one who were violent in this one. Yes. And every classroom teacher remembered Altamari as the man who was always in the forefront of their proudest victories. conscious of having dropped Altamari in favor of Caledney and then O'Neill, and of having cleverly manipulated him out of the political leadership, Shanker continued to whittle away at the former vice president's power and prestige. And Altamare psychologically unable to accept his new non-political role in the union he had helped found,

often clashed with a new president who was anxious to establish his power and image. How do, I mean, when you have institutions like this, bureaucracies that are, you know, largely out of the public exposure or oversight, no one's covering these details. That's written up in an obscure book. And they're all pretty much conspiring against the public, right? Just what this is. And no one's looking out for, you know, for the taxpayer in this. And how do, like, I'm figuring people who go to work every. day and have to come back, you know, deal with their family.

And this is, this is the internal political problem. This is why everything's like an oligar. Yeah. You know, this is exactly, what is it? Parnell's law, all those laws about how when you put, when you put together a union or something like that, even if it's the plans in the beginning are ideological. eventually the bureaucrats are going to take over. It always happens no matter what.

Every cause becomes a racket then turns into a business or corporation or something. Yeah. And Altamari is psychologically unable to accept his new non-political role in the union. He had helped found often clash with the new president who was anxious to establish his own power and image. The relationship between the two men became strained.

neither was able or willing to respect the other's needs. Do the Catholic school in New York have these same political problems? The Catholic schools as far, they're not unionized. So how do they educate? Well, I mean, a couple ones I went to. I mean, a couple of them weren't great at it. I mean, there were, the schools I went to were fine. I mean, the first, I went to a Jesuit school.

And of course, that was, you know, a classical education. But the, but then I ended up going to a couple of regular kind of Catholic schools. And, I mean, the education was fine. It was just a matter of, you know, do you want the education? You know, that's, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But they don't have this, all this mid-level intrigue and maneuvering and. political battling. I mean, every school has its own politics. Don't get me wrong. I understand that.

Because it's just human nature. But it's so, it's much leaner and it's more, I guess, mission focus because just because of the economics of it all, I guess you could say. Whereas just as, you know, but. Well, I mean, you know that within any diocese, there's going to be its own politics. Oh, yeah, there's definitely church politics. Of course. Yes. You go to any school board meeting and all that, even though privately on school, you're going to get. that. But I guess that's just nature of bureaucracy, I guess you could say this. It's so big and so unwieldy and huge and then becomes a huge political, you know, a political football or issue that factors in their mayor elections and who have presidential ambitions. Think about

that. Of course, it's also New York City. So I mean, the Catholic high school diocese was not, I mean, nowhere near as big as this. I mean, I went to school on 44th Street in Manhattan, and my graduating class was 97 people. Where this school right here, we're talking about at one point had 5,400. In the whole school, I mean, we had like 400. Our school was like 400. This school was 5,400. Isn't that sort of dystopic in its own way?

Yeah. Just the size of it. Yeah. For the students, I'm saying it's it's intimidate. Think about it. I mean, then you inject racial integration or racial balance into the mix. So you inject all of society's problems, which really aren't the fault of these students who are forced to be the guinea pigs in this experiment. Right.

Yeah, they're, I'll keep that to myself. All right. By 1967, Altamari decided to get back into politics and run for his old vice presidency. Shanker, realizing that he couldn't keep him out without splitting the caucus and paying too expensive a price, decided to support his comeback. Confident of Shanker's backing in the Unity primary, Altamari returned to Lane in February 1967 to establish his credentials as a candidate in that Springs Union election. So am I hearing this properly?

He's basically going back to teaching just so he can establish credit. For the kids. The disruptive child issue, which came to the fore in 1967, we both like that year a lot, don't we? 1967, yes, it was a very important year for me. Me too. It's Sergeant Pepper's only heart. Bill Ben came out, right?

That is, you are correct. It was also the year of the graduate, so the movie, but oh. Yes, yes. So really the year that you really started to see a turn in public sentiment for the Vietnam War as well. Yeah, that was the, yeah. The disruptive child issue, which came to the floor in 1967, must be understood in the light of the union's internal politics generally. and more specifically in view of the Altamari resurgence. Okay.

Let's let's get to this. He had returned to Lane to find his old school in the grips of student disruption. That's a great, I mean, that's a great way of putting students ODing in the high school, teachers being raped and students being beaten and, you know, basically brutalized. Yeah, that's good. Now, who's doing this? Who are these disruptive students? Oh, I mean, the Irish? Well, you know, the Irish.

You can't, you know. Yeah. He had returned to Lane to find his old school in the grips of student's disruption, unlike anything he had known prior to his leaving in 1964. He came back to Lane, his political future on the line, anxious for an issue that would propel him back into the limelight. Between 1959 and 1964, he had been Mr. Union, his name, a household,

among city teachers. But two and one half years of being buried in the glamorous paperwork of the central office saw his prominence diminish. Now he faced a hard uphill battle in the unity primary against the incumbent, Martin Lobanthal. And if successful, an even tougher fight in the general election against the strong opposition candidate, popular old-time Bronx militant, Ben Kaplan. Wasn't Leon Trosky went to him in Brock's Millington? Did he live there for a while? He did. He actually did live in the Bronx.

Yes, yeah. Had a refrigerator. Yes, he did. And indoor plumbing said he mentioned that clearly, actually. He stressed that. But the disruption at Lane gave Altamari an issue and using the Lane chapter to spearhead of confrontation with District 19 Superintendent Margaret Douglas, he claimed public credit for a nebulous victory that Douglas never acknowledged and later refuted.

The disruptive child issue would become a key in demand in the coming round of negotiations. Disrupted child, is that just like just the consequence of integration? I think this book clearly proves that. And I think that is why this book had to be demonized and basically disappeared for so long. So all the problems that came from that and all the people that opposed integration, which led to busing, who in the history textbooks are treated as racist, you know, sort of reprobates, retrograde, rather. But everything they weren't about happened. Uh-huh.

You know. Yeah. But they were on the wrong side of history, so that's okay. And they were all racist. They were all racist, yes. Of course. Had the incumbent vice president stayed in the race, Kaplan may have emerged the winner,

but in a two-man contest, Altamari managed to eke out the narrowest of victories, a 180-vote margin, representing a difference of only three votes in each of the 60 academic high schools. He returned to the union in the fall of 1967 as a full-time vice president while the Lane chapter continued to struggle with the problem of student disruption. He had used his school to get elected, but now Lane was no longer among his major concerns. He had always been extremely sensitive about paying too much attention to the problems of his home school. A politician of the First Order, he was ever fearful of the prospect of being.

being criticized for doing too much for his own Franklin Lane. Contributing to the neglect of Lane's problems was the fact that during the 1967 to 70 period, the UFT had relegated the high schools to the lowest priority among the union's needs. So while all of this is going on, it's just, but low priority. Well, I would say when it comes to something like integration or racial battles, balancing the high schools that have most of the problems is because of the age of the students. You know, less problems than elementary school.

Well, yeah, they're going to physically, they're going to be closer to adults. Yeah, you know, yeah. So they'll be beating up teachers where you don't get that in second grade. Although now I hear six-year-old are not shooting teachers. So, yeah. Well, I mean, if, you know, the teachers were doing their job right, they wouldn't have to be. Never mind. when I heard that

somebody on Twitter was like what is this what what is a seven year old why is a seven year old needs to have a gun why is the seven year old have a gun I'm like because I mean of your people stopped committing all the crime seven year olds wouldn't have to carry guns

I was being facetious but yes that's the you have a gun rights advocate's solution for gun violence in school Everyone be armed, right? Exactly, yeah. The organization had committed itself to such programs as the more effective schools plan,

which became a national program sponsored by the AFT, to saturate ghetto schools with additional teaching services and personnel. Oh, you know, that worked well. Yeah. Sure. I mean, I basically went to a, in first or eighth grade, I went to ghetto schools. It was great. It was wonderful.

It's fantastic. Altamari, in a political box, sidestepped the major high school problems, and in accordance with this philosophy of avoiding controversy, allowed the high school problems to fester rather than fight to make the divisional difficulties an object of the union's action. It is paradoxical that what he had always sought to avoid controversy came upon him by his own doing just three months after he resumed his vice presidency. For Altamari, the 1967 school strike had been a humiliating experience. He had always been part of the frontline negotiating team. Even as a staff representative, he played a major role in the 1965 settlement.

But 1967 was a different story. It was the first time New York teachers struck for more than one day. When the stoppage entered its third week, the scene moved to Gracie Mansion where night after night, George Altamari found himself sleeping on an air mattress on the floor of a chilly waiting room, while inside Shanker and Kaladne negotiated the terms of the settlement with Board President Giardino, Donovan, and Lindsay. This was the first time Altamari had been cut out of top level bargaining, and it was even more painful knowing that inside his archedony Kalladne was negotiating a way key high school demands he was certain could have been won. Do you think that was like student focused or teacher? Personal bodyguards for teachers. I just love that they're just fighting when the society is just crumbling all around them.

No one's addressing why all this is happening. But okay. Well, you're not supposed to, you know, Tim, causation doesn't equal correlation or. That's that phrase go. Correlations and causation. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

So it's like, come on. Sometimes it is. Yeah. Well, I mean, I had somebody. somebody was saying talking about how um the south from like mississippi up to like south carolina how um how bad the gun laws were how lacks the gun laws are and how much murder happens and so you know some of us just found a map of um you know where a certain segment of the population mostly lives and overlaid it over the map.

Do you want to guess what that person said? Correlation does an equal causation. Okay, so yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. For the first time in 14 years of close personal and professional association, Altamari broke with Albert Shanker.

using as his excuse to claim that class size for non-college-bound black students and the academic high schools might actually increase under the formula arrived at with the board, Altamaria voted against the settlement terms in the negotiating committee. So what do we have here? So he's saying that using as his excuse to claim that class-sized for non-college-bound black students in the academic high school, schools. Why are non-college-bound students in an academic high school? Shouldn't they be in a trade school or something of the sort? So, yeah. All right. Joined by John O'Neill, who had given up the staff director's job to resume his post as junior high school vice president, and by assistant treasurer Richard Parrish, he led the fight against ratification in the executive board.

It was a tense session, but after much emotional debate, the body voted to sustain Shanker and approve the pact. George Altamari emerged from the executive session beaten, but not yet ready to give up his fight. Visibly shaken by the bloodletting inside the executive board room, he headed for the TV cameras that were set up outside the meeting room in the lobby of the union's Park Avenue, South, headquarters. The newsmen sensed a division in the union's leadership and were hot on the trail of a

breaking story. Altamari didn't let them down. He wasn't ready to give up. There was still the delegate assembly that evening, the third part of a four-step ratification procedure. In front of the grinding cameras, he announced that the union's acceptance of the pact was a sellout of both teachers and the black community. So just appeal to emotionalism on both sides and just appeal to anger on both sides. Now it was no longer

an internal UFT matter. Shanker followed him accusing the vice president of raising a phony issue and hailing the agreement as the best ever won by teachers anywhere. It was the kind of episode neither man would ever forget, one from which Altamari would never recover and one from which Shanker would never forgive him. It was all out in the open the night of September 28, 1967, at the Manhattan Center on West 34th Street, as the union's 1,500 delegates gathered to see a live reenactment of the Shanker Altamari feud

they had seen on television earlier in the evening. They had come to choose their hero, and the mood of the delegates seemed clearly against the settlement terms. They cheered wildly as George Altamari made his way to the stage to deliver his minority report. But he was no match for Albert Shanker before a large body. The president described the contract as the best ever. He was magnificent and the most anti-Schenker elements had to admit that here was a truly gifted person. He sold them on the settlement, a settlement that was substantially the same as the one he had implored them to reject. before the 14-day strike.

I guess he was just exploiting his high verbal IQ. I think his is very high. By the time Altamari followed to present the minor minority report, most of the delegates had already been swung over by Shanker's methodological argumentation. And then there was the fact that over the years, Altamari's most glaring weakness had been his deficiency in public speaking. The high school vice president droned on for 30 minutes, going off on tangents, dealing in technicalities. Few of the delegates understood or cared about, and before he was halfway through, most of the assemblage had tuned out.

In the end, the delegates voted overwhelmingly to accept the terms of the new agreement, and it was all over for George Altamari. He had gambled and lost, and he would now have to pay the heavy price for his opposition. The union president angered at what he considered an inexcused. betrayal by the Altamare led Troika began creating around himself a new top-level cabinet of trusted advisors outside the core of elected officers. See what he's doing? His newly assigned special assistant. Yeah, all for the kids.

Yeah, 100%. This is going to make their lives so much better. His newly assigned special assistant, Sandra Feldman, staff director DeLionardis and Sanders, his public relations chief now became his most intimate confidants to whom he turned for guidance on major policy questions. Joining his kitchen cabinet was Bayard Rustin, the noted black civil rights leader and executive director

of A. Philip Randolph Institute, Tom Kahn as the leader for industrial democracy, and the socialist author Michael Herring. Oh, yeah, the other America guy. He's a socialist Catholic, yeah. What was he? He's the one that wrote the other America. Oh.

It would have been, it's kind of like, I would say, what wealth and poverty was to like the 1980s supply side revolution. The other America was to the great society, source now. Oh. about poverty, you know, so. Interesting.

But one that gets me is, is, is you negotiate an agreement and it's signed, sealed, and delivered. This has a practical matter. What, how busy can a union organizer be after all that deal is made? Yeah. I mean, to see, it should be like a part-time job where you go off and go find some honest work in the meantime, until you have another issue or something. And then you raise the issue, but you've made the agreement. So what's, what's the union?

union going to do other than maybe just make sure that the agreement terms are met. But that, again, I'm being, obviously, I'm being facetious. I mean, you're always out there causing trouble scheming, but I'm saying, okay, the agreement's made, so what's Alistranca going to do? He's going to form a kitchen cabinet and former cabal and strategize and think about what else, well, more trouble he can cause, I guess. I don't know.

So. And within the official, and within the official and within the official administrative committee of 11 UFT officers. Treasurer Wits, Secretary Kaladne, and elementary schools vice president Abe Levine, served as the hatchet men, ostracizing the high school official and making it all but impossible for him to function. The revolt over ratification was only the first of a series of Altamare Shanker battles during the 1960s. Sorry, what they mean by him and impossible him to function in what capacity? I mean, I would assume within the, is he still in the union?

It's within the union because he's a high school official, right? So he has, he serves some capacity at a high school, right? Right. So when they say make him impossible him to function, are they like making, are they keeping from doing his job at the high school and then hurting the education of the students? I'm just trying to. Yeah. Yeah, they do. The inclusion of high school official in that sentence does.

Yeah. Seems to imply that. The revolt over ratification was only the first of a series of Altamari-Shanker battles during the 1967-68 school year. The most violent split came over the AFL-CIO endorsement of the Johnson administration's Vietnam policy. This was an issue of conscience to many of the 51 member U.S. UFT executive board, and the lines were drawn to get the local and the parent AFT to disassociate themselves from the AFL-CIO's support of the nation's Vietnam policy. What was their position on what was going on in Israel at the time? Oh, Palestine.

Oh, so about the 67 war? This is about that time. Yeah. Oh, I can guess. I guess they haven't heard of the U.S. Liberty incident. We can excuse him on that. Most of America didn't hear about it. The years later, we go ahead.

Really? But Albert Shanker, firmly aligned with the AFL-CIO Hawks on the war issue, knew that to bolt meaning on Vietnam would be to throw himself into the renegade camp of United Auto Workers' head, Walter Ruther, and destroy his own hopes of climbing the ladder of the National Labor Movement. So he battled fiercely against the anti-war faction of his own executive board in New York, a faction that included in its leadership, George Altamari and John O'Neill. The clash between the two giants continued well until the spring in 1968.

Preoccupied with his own internal nightmare, Altamari had little time for the crisis that was brewing in Franklin K. Lane. Well, yeah, I mean, that's his job, but, you know. I love that. The thorny problem. I'm sorry. He's still, he's an official Franklin K. Lane school, right?

Yeah, he's, what was the term? High school official. High school official, yes. Okay. So, seems like more than a teacher.

More than a teacher. So you think he, I mean, it's a shame that he has no time to deal with the problems of Frankie Kling school, where kids are being beaten. up and set a set of fire and teachers are being raped. The thorny problems of overcrowding of racial imbalance.

Yeah. Thorny. Yeah. Saltzman is picking some interesting. Racial imbalance. What's racial imbalance versus balance? I, that's a good question,

so. The thorny problems of overcrowding, of racial imbalance, of lawlessness and violence, continue to fester and grow. But Lane's problems were not only overshadowed by the Altamare Shanker Hassell, but by the larger issues that have begun to engulf the Union and the city. In addition to the Vietnam issue, there was the emerging crisis over the dismissal of 19 union teachers

without charges by Rodi McCoy in the predominantly Black Ocean Hill, Brownsville demonstration school district. That was the signal, the Browdy, break up the Black Jewish Alliance because they fired a bunch of Jewish teachers, right? Yeah, I think that's what that was. Yeah. So Harold Cruz, Cruz writes about on his book about that, yeah. Oh, does he?

Yeah, it's, what book is that? It's, I think it's called the Black Jewish Alliance, the crisis of the black intellectual or Negro intellectual, I think. I think that's it. E. Michael Jones referenced a lot on slaughter and slaughter the cities. But this was the signal, this is 1967, and this was, and this was, you know, and this was, when many of the Jews in America became Zionists and concerned with Israel over black radicals, and they

stepped up back from supporting the black panthers, radicalizing the black panthers and all that. And so, it was, they happened that they wanted, I guess they wanted black teachers and they fired all these Jewish teachers. As you mentioned, 40,000, the 60,000 teachers are Jewish. Yep.

You know, I know it's New York City and they have a higher population, but that's very, it's very dense. to be disproportionate if you ask me, but that was a function of that. And so that's why it collapsed in the late 60s and the 70s, the Black Jewish Alliance that, you know, people speak of, you know. And then it was revived recently, you know, with the, what was that, that's town in Missouri, the riots, the guy who was, oh, Michael Brown. Michael Brown and there was Black Lives Matter and George Sorr started pumping money in the Black Lives Matter.

So there's been a revival of the Black Jewish Alliance which the ADL head has single-handedly shattered with his war in Connie West. Yeah, and he still is trying to put tweets

out talking about how, you know, fellow travelers in this and you just, you go into the comments and you see from obvious black people commenting and they're just not having it. No, Greenblatt. Yeah, Jonathan Greenblatt. Jonathan Greenblatt.

Yeah. He's exceptionally vile. With Lindsay abstaining and the school board vacillating and refusing to protect the job rights of the transferred teachers, McCoy insisted that the teachers were being legal transferred to the central board for reassignment elsewhere. The union called the mini-strike during the final six weeks of the school year, shutting down all of the seven schools in the demonstration district. At the same time, a battle was being waged in the halls of the state legislature pitting the UFT against the well-financed Ford Foundation sponsored groups, which were lobbying vigorously in behalf of the Bundy proposals for community control of the schools. Or at the Ford Foundation

he's dressed in that. You're just charitable, I guess. Yeah, yeah. I mean, he was, Henry was rolling in his grave at this point and I'm just spinning. The Bundy plan would have dissolved the central board and fragmented the school system into scores of completely autonomous community districts based on race and ethnic background.

This is interesting. How do you reconcile that with Brown v. Board of Education? It just seems to be a reversal. Hmm. It almost seems like someone came up with the idea of how to fix the problem at Lane, but I'm sure there's going to be some, I'm sure everybody's going to be behind this.

So let's read on. The legislation, if passed, would have emasculated the union, rendering it helpless to protect the job rights and professional security of teachers. It was an issue that struck at the very lifeblood of labor leaders, throughout the nation, and it was little wonder that Van Arsdale of the Central Labor Board and Meeney's AFL-CIO stood staunchly behind the UFT President in his struggle against Ocean Hill. At the same time, political leaders throughout the state were shocked by the excesses of the new experimental district. Thanks to the efforts of state senator John Marci, an interim decentralization

bill was passed, which put off a final decision for another year. The law allowed the mayor to stack the school board with four new appointees while charging it with the task of coming back in one year with a final decentralization proposal. It was just what the UFT had wanted. The problems at Lane seems small, indeed, when compared to the fiery and emotion-laden issues of 1968, which were gaining national attention. The question of job security and the threat of teachers being tossed out of their position, at the whim of local black extremists was far beyond important, was far more important than any immediate problem, however serious, at one particular school.

Now, the fact that these teachers were all Jewish with that, well, I mean, because that was the ethnic dispute, from what I understand of the Oceanfront Brownsville strike, right, is it was a black Jewish, well you can call them professional you call them teachers but i think what it was is that the blacks got the blacks got sick of all the jews over there and they get out of here this definitely seems like what that what the problem was yes case the great school strike in the

fall of 1968 hit the city like a bomb locked in deadly struggle with john lindsay and rudy mccore Albert Shanker was in a position to demand absolute loyalty from his core of officers and his executive board. This was something junior high school vice principal O'Neill, opposing the strike from the beginning, was unwilling to give him. But this was not the first time for internal division, and Shanker seized the opportunity to go before his executive board, charging O'Neill with having conspired to conduct private negotiations with McCoy and his Ocean Hill supporters, and of subverting the Union strike games. As punishment and to remove him from the scene once and for all, Shanker demanded the termination of O'Neill's full-time employment as a vice president

and his banishment to regular classroom duties. His punishment was to go back into the schools and get his ass kicked by black students. It's like being sent to the Russian front. Oh, man. The following week, the vice president was also removed from the negotiating committee. But Shanker wasn't stopping with O'Neill. He hadn't forgotten Altamari's role in the 1967 strike or his part in the anti-war crusade on the executive board

or the high school vice principal's disagreement with his own strike strategy in Ocean Hill. Arguing that the strike was placing the union in dire financial straits and ended up more than 300,000 in the black for that fiscal period. Shanker cleverly coupled his purge of O'Neill with the claim that the union could no longer afford to pay the salaries of three full-time vice presidents. Elementary schools VP Levine was retained, but O'Neill and Altamari would have to go, he insisted. Hmm. It's, you noticing? So the two goys?

There was no opposition to the ousters except from O'Neill. Is this what I took over Harvard? There was no opposition to the ousters except from O'Neill who accused the president of creating a dictatorship, of stifling creative thought within its leadership, and of surrounding himself with sycophants as top advisors. From Altamare came not a whimper. accepting his emasculation, he returned to Lane quietly when the strike finally ended in late November. Shanker later went on to hire six additional special aides and presidential assistance at salaries equivalent to the $14,000 earned by the vice presidents. And the UFT leader who had his own salary doubled to $37,000 and later $50,000 in addition to a Manhattan apartment and a new car out.

the union tab. You mean, he get rent paid in Manhattan? I mean, even back in, I mean, even back in 67, 68, we're talking, yeah, for what salaries were. Yeah. And that's amazing. And he's making 50 grand and he has his rent paid and a new car. What about the keys, man? While the high schools were being torn apart from within.

by black militant students and assaulted from without by adult agitators. The UFT High School Vice President was stripped of all authority to represent his constituency. First, he was barred from making any public statement without authorization from Shanker's public relations man, Dan Sanders. Later, he was forbidden the long-established privilege of sending out written communiques, minutes, and notices of divisional meetings to high school chapter chairman, to high school chapter chairman and to members of the high school committee over which he now tenuously presided. His movements after 3 p.m., when he reported to the central UFT office,

were carefully checked and sometimes directed by Feldman, De Leonardis, and other Shanker aides. Even his secretary was placed in the general office pool, making it difficult, if not impossible, for her to conduct the simplest routines of Altamare's office. us. And most humiliating was the fact that high school matters, and most humiliating was the fact that high school matters that normally came under the purview of the high school vice president was given over to other officers and Shanker AIDS. George Altamari in exile at Franklin Kay Lane High School had become a union vice president in name only. But the high school vice president was by no means the only victim. Following the Altamari Ovali

O'Neill Purge, Shanker moved deftly to root out any and all sources of dissent within the leadership and to establish his absolute personal control over the union. He's going full Stalin now. I know. It's like really like giant billboards

of his likeness all over the city floating on dirigible above the city would they shine clay lights on them or something? You wonder who in the secretary pool was the first one to stop clapping? Yeah. Within the ruling Unity Caucus, he insisted on the removal of its anti-war chairman, Saul Levine, and replaced him with Jeanette de Lorenzo, a district representative and fiercely loyal Shankerite. Earlier, Shanker had fielded his own candidate, Fred Nauman, a caucus newcomer, to oppose Levine in the 1969 Unity primary and to run for the junior high school vice presidency, which had opened up with the ouster of John O. Neumann.

Neil. The UFT president was outraged when the caucus voting in secret ballot nominated the veteran Levine over Shanker's personal choice. Nauman was later given the full-time job as director of the UFT College Scholarship Fund. So it looks like he probably created a position. Yeah. A lot of Carl Schmitt going on in here, too.

The Levine victory in that bitter 1969 caucus primary convinced Shanker. that the anti-war faction in the leadership had to be purged. With O'Neill already out and with Altamari struggling to get back into Shanker's good graces, executive board members Sanford Gellernter and Martin Lobanthal became the new spokesman for the anti-war faction. Along with Richard Parrish, UFT Assistant Treasurer, and AFT Vice President, the two executive board members were expunged from the Unity Caucus, ending long and distinguished careers in the teacher union movement. Even Rubin Mitchell, the venerable and much respected member of the Teachers Retirement Board, was ousted from the officer corps when Shanker decided that his post as associate legislative representative should be an appointive by Shanker rather than an elective one.

Needless to say, Mitchell, too, was active in the anti-war push and had also disagreed with Shanker over certain specifics of the school decentralization bill. The Unity Caucus itself had swelled to over 400 members as more Shanker rights were brought in to participate in the closed-door political intrigue. But still burning over the Levine victory, Shanker quickly ended the traditional procedure of nomination by secret ballot and decree that the caucus slate would instead be chosen by its nine-member steering committee, which of course had been handpicked by none other than Albert Shanker. They are good at this stuff, man. Yeah, man. Yeah. Want to stop it right there?

Yeah, that's good. Yeah. So what are your takeaways from this? Well, again, it's like this, so there's a labyrinthine or Byzantine bureaucracy of the union all, you know, has all, supposedly. says something to do with education, but none of the businesses that concern the union and all these different offices have anything to do with actually improving the education of the kids, which is steadily deteriorating under the forces of racial balance, whatever or whatever you want to call it. I mean, there's nothing being done to improve the

situation in the schools, address the problems in the schools, maybe to second guess some of the decisions have been made in the past 15 years. In terms of education, I mean, it was a bad idea to experiment with children. Brown wasn't particularly a legal decision anyway. I don't think the ruling even has any footnotes. You know, it was a concocted, you know, unanimous ruling. I think it was, what's his name? Frankfurter met with Thurgood Marshall behind the scenes.

Yes, so there was no dissent, right? Yeah, there's no dissent. So that was illegal, by the way. That's unethical. It's supposed to be, you know, it's litigation, but it was set up. But, you know, the idea that, you know, the idea that the Fourth Amendment required the schools to be desegregated when, of course, there was passed when schools were segregated. Obviously, it wasn't the intent of the Fourth Amendment, just the desire of a later court. Responding to, you know, modern authority and all the modern Beau, you know, Franz Boazzi and sociology in these things.

But the violence that you read about in the school and then the early part of the book, you know, the children, students being assaulted, particularly the white students for the most part. The teachers being set of fire, being raped. These things are just, you know, these things you have to break to make an omelette, I guess, you know, in their eyes. Yeah. And all these people are feather bedding, building, giving themselves, you know, large salaries and plush apartments and, you know, intriguing and setting, a little political empire. In the meantime, the whole school system is deteriorated, rapidly deteriorating.

You know. Well, I mean, you really have to wonder, like, what they, is what someone like Schenker actually thinks of the students. I mean, does he think, you know, specifically the black students, as you think, well, I mean, this is just a loss cause. We can't make this work. So let's just get everything out of it. You know, let's just lose the treasury. Yeah. Yeah.

You know, and, you know, they're, you know, they're, they're, you know, they're, they're, they're, they're just, they're, they're foughter. Yeah. Yeah. You know, um, so they, you know, and in the end, he figures, you know, the whites that have enough money would just leave and go, go off the suburbs. I won't deal with it anymore. And, you know, you look at the school. It's a very beautiful school built, you know, mid, I guess, where the middle, mid-century. Mm-hmm.

I'm talking about, 40s, maybe. 30s, I think it was built in the late 30s. And they didn't have any of these problems in the 30s up until early 60s. Well, what happened? Oh, no. That's a mystery. But yeah, civil rights, it's only a little ideology that factored you talk about like anti-war policy. And, you know, that pervaded everything.

Why are their position on Americans foreign policy, American, Vietnam, more possible factor in education. I don't know, but I guess everyone had to take a position on it then. I guess they had to endorse the president, I guess, you know, the AFL, CIO. And I guess those they were probably making money off. At the time, America manufactured a lot of the weapons, ordinances are being blown apart. I guess organized labor made money off that. But yeah, it's, you read it, the school and the schools become, you know, laboratories for social experiments, no one cares. and the people making decisions aren't their kids aren't growing to the school.

We still see that today. Yeah. It's just the typical where there's no hope. Well, I mean, really, when you think about it, though, in 59, when Altamar is doing all this work to form the union in the late 50s, you're really not seeing. the problems that you had, you know, come, they came into existence after 1964. Mm-hmm.

Then. So really it's, you really can't say that they would be like, oh, well, let's form this union because it's hopeless. These students are, are hopeless.

Let's just get all we can out of it. No, they just had the idea of, let's get all we can out of this and we'll protect our position. And then when things started changing in the mid-60s, yeah, so like I said before, I mean, they're in, you know, they're, they're on autopilot. Yeah. It's like, what do we do? What do we have to do to keep what we have and not allow this violence and this rape and this burning to disrupt, you know, this.

basically this golden goose that we've constructed. Well, because of the civil rights ideology, they can't address the problem. They can't engage the problem directly. Because the civil rights ideology is that blacks are victims and white people are the perpetrators and they're guilty. And that was the judgment of the civil rights movement. Whereas white people fought it was more or less white people, it was an act of extending the privileges and rights of Americans to a marginalized minority. group. To many blacks, it was an uprising, at least how the media portrayed it, because the rights group was this faux, you know, protest movement, which had the support of the,

you know, of the regime, if you will. But the, um, to them, it was an admission of guilt. White America was guilty. And it was a, as Martin Luther King said, it was a down payment. And at that point, people should have said, say what? What do you say? Um, and it's funny, because I'm reading in, uh, earlier, in the earlier chapters, I was reading, how at the same time they're integrating the schools, creating the racial balance or mix, if you will, and I guess seeing how that experiment works, they're starting black studies or black curriculum programs

to radicalize the students. There's Afro-American Association. So they're introducing radical identitarian, you know, curricula into the school material, radicalizing the students and then throwing them together with the white students. throw them in with the whites.

What do I think? Obviously, that's a very combustible situation. But why would you be encouraging black studies and African-American studies and black organizations at the same time you're talking about integration? You know, that's that. Again, we see that today. But only, you know, minority groups, color groups, you know, colored people, sorry, persons of color can have their identity and their organizations, but white people are denied that. you know well you remember what happened the last time white people wanted to um you know have their own little uh little paradise on sam yes you're not talking about that little city in south

africa are you oh what is that arania irania i think it already has a GDP twice that of south Africa. Well, I mean, that's... I know the lights stay on. And people aren't shooting each other. I'm not shooting each other. Yeah. Well, I don't know why that that is, though. It doesn't make any sense to me. I'm going to have to investigate that more. It's a structural racism. That's it. Tell everybody where they can find your podcast and we'll end this. Okay. Yeah. Just that's our interesting times. It's on Padamatic. You go a search. You'll find it.

I'm also on the Rumble and Odyssey. I usually post there too. Everyone listen. I never miss an episode. Thanks, Tim. You're welcome. Have a good night. You too.

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