The Pete Quiñones Show - The Degenerate Origins of the Term ‘Racism’ w/ Aaron from Timeline Earth

Episode Date: February 20, 2026

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I want to welcome everyone back to the Pete Cagnan show. Returning. It's Aaron. Thanks for having me again, man. Oh, I saw this one. This was actually recommended by a listener. And when I saw it, I was like, that's just, I have to have Aaron to talk about this one because the subject matter, the who it actually focuses on. I'm like, oh, we can have fun with this. And since I don't put anything on YouTube anymore, I don't care what anyone says. Yeah.

Yeah. No, you're free. The shackles are off. Yeah. So I sent you this. I think it's only, let me see. Yeah, it's 1,700 words, 1,800 words. When you were, what was your impression?

So I'm going into this fresh. Okay. Fresh. You just looked at, you just looked it over and you saw that there were some words from there. I looked at the title and I said, yes. And then I saw a bunch of. J words in there. It was like, all right.

All right, let's share this and stop me anytime, all right? All right. People get to see my word account. That's great. I see that I have a word account. All right. This is from, well, let me start it off this way. This is from a bunch of essays by Samuel T. Francis.

And it's called Essential Writings on Rates. and it is edited by Jared Taylor. I like it. Yes. Yes. So this one was, and you can find the PDF for this, and there are some really good,

really good articles in here. Some of them are as short as this one. Some of them are more almost like research paper line. So, yeah. Let's go. The origins of racism. The curious beginning.

of a useless word. The Oxford English Dictionary is a multi-volume reference work that is one of Western Scholarship's most remarkable achievements, the standard dictionary of the English language on what are known as historical principles. Unlike most dictionaries, the OED also provides information on the first historical appearance and usage of words. The range of the erudition in the OED is often astounding, but for American Renaissance, readers, one of its most interesting entries is for the word racism. According to the second edition, yeah. I'm an American Renaissance listener.

Yes. Love me some Uncle Jared. I couldn't get to the conference this year. It was just like it was two last minute. I had, I had an interview scheduled. I'm just like, uh, next year. Just a funny fucking dude. Yeah, it's only five hours.

It was only five hours north of me too. It was a drive, five hour north drive. I could have wanted to. All right. And Jared is hilarious. According to the second edition, 1989 of the OED, the earliest known appearance of the word racism in English, occurred in a 1936 book by the American fascist, quote unquote, Lawrence Dennis, the coming American fascism.

The second appearance of the term in English that the OED records is in the title of a book originally written in German in 1930. and 1934, but translated into English and first published in 1938, racism by Magnus Hirschfeld, translated by Eden and Cedar Pauls. Ding, ding. Well, and remember the names Eden and remember the name's Pauls because you're going to have references back to the Pauls. And it can be, when I was reading this the first time, I was like, Paul's, what the hell? Oh, yes, those people.

That's, that's fascinating. that the word racism first appeared in America in the early 1930s. And it makes it makes perfect sense because around that time, you know, the height of the depression, race was kind of supplanting ethnicity in terms of, you know, I should preface it with this. I've always looked at racism as in kind of the inverted Marxist-Leninist view that racism happened. when you have a complex class system in whatever stage of development your society's in. And right now we have such a complex class system in 2023 that racism, there's ethnicities have blended to the point where racism is kind of the upper, the upper category of ethnicity. it's it's easily seen it's measurable it's um we we we just ethnic

ethnic division wouldn't be uh wouldn't be appropriate in america in 2023 so it has to be race but anyways in 1936 that was all that was becoming the case as the second major wave of immigration was kind of waning down and um you know you had the depression and then going into World War II and after World War II, I mean, you had the growth of the suburbs, you had the destruction of the Catholic Church as a center of power. So ethnic divisions kind of went away and race supplanted it because people in power need to divide people somehow. There was also the rise of the right wing in Europe that scared a lot of people in the United States. there's a book, I think it's called Hitler and Hollywood, where in the, it details in the 1930s how there was this war against fascism, that they were scared that fascism was going to take over Hollywood.

Very interesting book. They actually show some polls in there from the 1930s, which I know that the ADL basically wanted this book written. maybe they shouldn't have shared the fact that like 80% of Americans had a very strong distrust of Jews in the 1930s. Yeah. So, but also, I mean, you already had this hatred of obviously, you know, the mustache man, a hatred of Franco, obviously. And any right-wing leader in Spain, people were already. talking about Oswald Mosley is already on Time magazine as England's Hitler.

So, yeah, they, it's not a stretch to figure out, you know, who, who's behind the term racism and where it came from. So, yeah. All right. Since Herschfeld died in 1935, before the publication of Dennis's book the following year and had already used the word extensively in the Texan, title of his own book, it seems only fair to recognize him rather than Dennis as the originator of the word racism. In the case of the word racist as an adjective, the OED ascribes the first known appearance to Herschfeld himself. Who was Magnus Herschfeld? And what did he have to tell us about racism? Excuse me. Magnus Herschfeld 1868 to 1935 was a German Jewish medical scientist who

major work was in the field of what came, what came to be known as sexology, the scientific study of sex. Like Havelock, Ellis, Ellis in England, and Alfred Kinsey in the United States, Hirschfeld was not only among the first to collect systematic information about sexuality, but was also an apostle of sexual liberation. I wonder if, I wonder how many books went on the, went on the burning pile, in the 30s. Well, I know that there were some youth in Europe who took care of his, took care of his books and his quote unquote research.

Yeah. Then it was lost to history. Well, was that the Berlin Institute of, was it sexology? Yeah, Berlin Institute of Sexology. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, which was a transgender clinic, a sex school, a gay brothel. It was a lot of different things.

Yeah. The old trope on Twitter, like, did you ever look at the books that the Nazis burned? Yep. All right. His major work was a study of homosexuality, but he also published many other books, monographs, and articles dealing with sex. He wrote a five-volume treaties on sexology as well as some 150 other works and helped write and produce five films on the subject. I wonder if those are on YouTube. It is fair to say that his works were intended to send a message that traditional Christian and bourgeois sexual morality was repressive, irrational, and hypocritical, and that emancipation would be a major step forward.

We're still making those steps today. Yeah. Well, hopefully in basically, I mean, obviously all of his work was not burned, but hopefully enough of it was burned to kick the can down the road. Unfortunately, we're down the road right now. Yeah, we are. It's whatever work was lost to history, it's it's been filled back in and proliferated a million times over. Now it's, you know, once again, just a budget item.

Yeah. Yeah. Someone has said once that if a lot of his work had not been destroyed, there would have been trans kids in the 60s. Yeah. We're dealing with that epidemic the way we're dealing with it now. All right. His admiring translators, Eden and Cedar Paul,

in their introductions to racism, right of his unwearying championship of the cause, of persons who, because their sexual hormonic functioning is of an unusual type, are persecuted by their more fortunate fellow mortals. Huh. So we're more fortunate why? Yeah. Yeah. Look at that word. That word's kind of pregnant right there. Long before the sexual revolution of the 1960s, Magnus Hirschfeld was crusading for the normalization of homosexuality and other abnormal sexual behavior. Herscheld was the founder of the Institute for Sexual Science in Berlin and helped organize sexology, quote-unquote, on an international scale. In 1920, he was physically attacked and almost killed by anti-Semites in Munich.

in in may 1933 it's going to be is very interesting there's a another part here when they're saying he was you know attacked by anti-semites there's a part coming up that's rather interesting yeah in may 1933 the Nazis closed down his institute of sexual science and herschfeld fled to france where he lived until his death in 1935 racism the book is largely devoted to a highly polemish refutation of some of the main racial ideologies and theories of the 19th and 20th centuries. The writers whom Herzfeld criticized, aside from his favorite target of the national socialist themselves, were figures such as Arthur Gobenow, Vasher de la Pouge, I practiced these words too, these names too, Houston Stewart Chamberlain, and others generally denounced today as

pseudoscientists. In fact, that is an inappropriate term. Some of them were not trying to write as scientists at all, but rather as political theorists, while others are better described as pre-scientific writers on race who worked with inadequate information, concepts, methodology, and terminology. He's talking about physiognomy? I think that's one of them. While Herschfeld may have been correct in rejecting their more egregious errors, his sneering at them for these mistakes is rather like ridiculing Copernicus and Kepler because they continue to accept some erroneous ideas from medieval astronomy.

Yeah, there's something to it. Like, you know, we see the, we see the memes with the calipers measuring the face and like the, you know, phys check. But, you know, race, race can be boiled down to a science. It's a product of biology. And they just didn't quite connect those dots before they were told that they weren't allowed to anymore. Yeah. Okay. Moving on.

Even when Hirschfeld is right in his critique of the early race theorists, it is often because he has chosen easy targets. His refutation of racism is largely centered on irrelevant commonplaces that even extreme exponents of racial differences might readily acknowledge. That all human beings are part of the same species and can interbreed. That blood transfusions can take place between races. That there is no such thing as a pure race. That the races are identical in the vast majority of physical characteristics. that cephylic index is not a meaningful measure of intelligence or character.

There's the calipers. Yep. Yet his scientific evidence is often merely anecdotal or simply his own opinion asserted as unquestioned truth. Well, you don't want to be an anti-Semite. Well, I mean, and this is today. I mean, this is like they just, this is science today for the most part. Yeah. At least public science.

You know, when you have a state representative, you know, a Fauci or somebody and you start really listening to what they're talking about and then you go to somebody else who's an expert who doesn't work for the state, you usually hear that, well, this person working for the government is dealing in gibberish basically. Yep. And then you get into the game of, okay, source or what are your qualifications? Oh, where did you go to college? Or what AI program are you using?

I love, I still love using source on people because then they come back at you and they make fun of you for it. Like you don't know that you're actually just doing it. Because you know that they're going to do that, that they're going to act like a friggin midwit and come back at you like that. I've lost interest three threads ago. Yeah. In another section, he recounts the names of those he considers the 70 most outstanding figures in world history and announces that, quote, all such lists when made without bias will show that the persons of genius and persons of outstanding talent are not set apart from the ruck by any. color of their eyes by a peculiar shape of the skull or the nose by any ethnologic

characteristics whatsoever. What is decisive in human beings is not race, but individuality? He's a libertarian. Yeah. Yep. I have no problem calling him a libertarian. Yeah, no. Don't be deceived by your lying eyes.

Yeah, yeah. There's literally no difference between a sub-Saharan African and a Swede. Yep, no, nothing at all. Look at how they blended so easily into Sweden and then Sweden just went on their merry way. Yeah, they're trying to. There are not 52 street gangs vying for the drug trade in Stockholm right now. That's a figment of your imagination. Yeah, they're not electing.

All right, candidates and droves. I think they had 63 murders last year. And like 10 years ago, it was like two or three. I mean, it was like, it's just insane. And two or three is probably wrong. Anyone can, I'll look it up after this. If you want to put it in the comments, go ahead. I don't care.

All right. Now that I don't care, just go ahead, do it. I don't. It's not going to bother. Source. Yeah, source. It does not seem to occur to Herschfeld that all but about eight or nine of the 70 world historical figures on his list are white Europeans.

There are no Negroes and only two Asians, Confucius and Sun Yotsen. It is, it's like they just, they're clueless. They're, I don't even know how they operate like that. How do you not see patterns? How do you just ignore patterns? Well, you just call the patterns that you're looking for irrelevant or pseudoscience. I mean, I already see IQ studies mentioned in the next paragraph, and that's their defense is, you know, you're not testing it the right way. IQ tests are cultural.

They don't measure anything, man. It is interesting that for all of all his contempt for racism, Hirschfeld never once mentions IQ studies or the considerable psychometric evidence about race and intelligence that was already available even in the 1930s. Most of Herscheld's polemic is aimed at the proponents of intra-European racial differences, Nordics, Alpines, Mediterranean, Dinarix, etc. And not at any, not at differences between whites and other major races, though he steadfastly denies such differences as well. This was, I mean, right in the middle of the beginning of, I guess, any type of 1936 is still the year right

well I mean he died in 35 so he's operating before 35 all right so yeah it I I can see that there wasn't really any I could be wrong but I don't think there was any like white consciousness white racial consciousness in in Europe it was still pretty ethnically defined right in the 30s yeah oh yeah it would have been I mean Germans called themselves Prussians they didn't call themselves white. Yeah, yeah. So I can't knock him on that, but certainly in 2023, we still have that going on where, you know, it's all about race, but no there's no such thing as white.

Curiously, he never cites the work of Frank Boas and his disciples against racism, though that work was available in Europe at the time, nor does he invoke the ideas of the Frankfurt school, though Herschfeld's own claim that racism is rooted in fear, loss of self-esteem, and other social and psychological pathologies resembles the ideas that the Frankfurt School was formulating. Here we go. Nor despite Herschfeld's own Jewish background and the Nazi threat to Jews does he seem preoccupied with anti-Semitism.

In one or two passages, he criticizes Jews themselves for their own ethnocentrism and fault Zionism for having created a new race hatred between Jews and Arabs. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. So saying that he was attacked in 1922 by anti-Semites, depending on when he's writing this, either that could be informing this or maybe anti-Semitism wasn't the major motivation for him being attacked.

Is that what you're saying? It could be a good old, what are they called F-Bash. Yeah. Yeah. Not good old when I say good old, please stop people. Moreover, Hershfeld is a stout defender of eugenics, though not on racial lines. And he even had a brief chapter exploring a distinction he calls goblinism or Galtonism. The first time I read that, it said I read Goblinism.

and I just, I lost my shit. I just, I couldn't. So, all right. So, and he even has a brief chapter exploring a distinction he calls Gobinism or Galtonism. That is, attacking the ideas of French racist, quote unquote, Arthur de Gobino and defending those of Francis Galton, who coined the word eugenics and pioneered its development.

Today, most critics of racism would love Galton and Gobino together, rather than distinguish between them. That's interesting. Yeah. That's, uh, it just goes to show you how just the line, the lines just get bolder.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. As a serious critique of the view that socially significant natural differences between the races exist, Hirschfeld's book is a failure and even as a polemic against some of the more politicized and unverbalism claims about race made a century or more ago, it is weak.

The importance of the book is not so much its content, however, as what it tells us about the word racism and how the enemies of white racial consciousness have developed and deployed it for their own purposes. So I guess here we go. Yeah, this was, yeah, I guess this was the first shot, first shot fired in, uh, and, in the war on white identitarianism. Yeah. That's interesting. Hirschfeld describes his own political ideals as panhumanism, a version of political, cultural and racial universalism.

Libertarianism. That's, that's libertarianism. Yeah. It really is. And I'll remind the editors or the translators of the book or the Paul's. So he says, the Pauls themselves, right, we think that the readers of racism will detect a very definite orientation to the left. You think. And continuing with the Paul's words,

Hirschfeld was one who fully realized that sexual. reform, quote, is impossible without a preliminary, economic, and political revolution. Yes. You want to go? All right. No, this is, you know, in the esteemed tradition of Marxist Leninism, which was big at the time, this was just, seems like just an offshoot of that. You know, first you have to get the conditions right.

and then all of a sudden you don't have to make choices anymore. Every choice is viable. And, you know, you just have to get rid of those material constraints. This is why I asked you on to talk about this. I read this page and I'm like, oh, I need Aaron. In racism, Hirschfeld offers what is essentially a definition of panhumanism. Quote, the individual, however close the ties of neighborhood, companionship, family, a common lot, language, education, and the environment of nation and country,

can find only one dependable unity within which to seek a permanent spiritual kinship, that of humanity at large, that of the whole human race. Yep, that's universalism, and it's completely insane. I mean, this is Trotsky. I mean, invoking Trotsky here. I mean, yeah. Yeah, no, this is a, this is just a liberal offshoot of Marxism. It's, it's kind of, I'm very interested to see where this goes because so far, so good.

With one exception, he is unsparing in his denunciations of the ethnocentric loyalties of nations, races, and cultures. quote, always and everywhere, except in Soviet Russia. Xenophobia, xenophobia, xenophobia, xenophobia. Oh, man. Just wait, let's see, how many years? If he's writing this in 1930, he only has to wait, what, 17 years, 18 years? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Stalin, notorious, notorious lover of

years. Later, he informed, quote, it may be too early to speak, but perhaps the problem of nationalities and races has already been solved by one, solved on one sixth of the land surface of the globe, Stalin's Russia. I can see how he would, how he would come to that conclusion. If you look at ethnicities, in Soviet Russia, there. In Soviet, Russia. Yeah.

In Mother Russia. No, you could have, it is conceivable that any ethnicity could be a party apparatchic. They could be running a collective farm, running a factory. Just usually

they had a ceiling, and especially if they were Jewish. You could get up. to a certain level of power and then it's just ethnic Russians. All right. Or a Georgian. Or a Georgian. Or a, never mind.

Racism, therefore, is a term originating on the left and has been so defined and loaded with meanings the left wants it to have that it cannot now be used by the supporter of white racial consciousness for any constructive purpose. I get it. Don't use the vocabulary of the enemy. But the Democrats are the party of slavery, and they're the real racists. The fucking, the Yellowstone memes. Listen, partner.

You better show my trans daughter some respect, or me and you are going to have a stern talking about. Paul's had a good one too. I can't remember it. Anyone who uses this is a term to describe himself already allowed himself to be maneuvered onto his opponent's ground and has already lost the debate. Yes, yes, yes. And yet we still keep doing it.

Yeah, yeah, it's just ridiculous. He may try to define the word differently, but he will need to spend most of his time explaining that he does not, mean by it what everyone else means. Yeah, it's like that that wasn't real racism. As a term useful for communicating ideas that the serious supporters of white racial consciousness which to communicate, the term is useless. And it was intended by those who developed it to be useless for that purpose.

I mean, when you, if you call a leftist, a raging leftist, and I'm talking about a you know, an activist, a racist, it, it means nothing to them. No, because they own it. Yeah. Yeah. It's like getting called, it's like, you know, someone on the right getting called fascist today. Anyone who know, anyone who's not a, a friggin thin skin idiot doesn't immediately start

defending themselves. I'm not a fascist The boomer cons do that If you've bought into the boomer truth regime You do that You just laugh Or you say thank you Yeah exactly

Yeah You shouldn't even have an opportunity To get called a racist By any leftist Because you should already be calling them a faggot They should have blocked you Hours ago Yeah, what are you

doing on you you are not doing social media correctly but understanding the origins of the word racism in herschfeld's polemic also makes clear the uselessness of the word for any other purpose no one seems to ever have used the word to describe his own ideas or ideas with which he agrees its only application has been by the enemies of the ideas it purports to describe and hence it has no objective meaning apart from its polemical usage. Yeah. And if no one calls his own ideas racism and its only application is to a body of ideas considered to be untrue and evil, then it has no use other than as any kind of

fancy curse word, the purpose of which is simply to demonize anyone who expresses the ideas it is supposed to describe. Yeah. No, I agree 100%. And I think we're all guilty of, you know, getting into the weeds, getting into the vocabulary weeds by using the language of the enemy. And like this says, meeting them on their own terms. But I do like, and maybe I'll have to try it.

I'm off Twitter for about 40 days. and I'll have to try that if next time I get into an altercation with somebody stupid. No, it's not racism. It's, it's white identitarianism. Or it's white, it's white racial consciousness.

Yeah. See how that works out. Yeah. Just, just testing. Testing. Yeah. Like the finger put it up to the wind. Yeah. The schvictor.

It is clear that Magnus Hirschfeld, speaking of, it is clear that Magnus Hirschfeld himself harbored deep ideological, professional, and personal animosities against those to whom he applied the word, and those animosities may have extended to the entire society that throughout his career he associated with sexual repression and which he wanted to, wanted replaced by a kind of global communism under the label of panhumanism. Whatever the flaws or virtues of his polemic against racism, his own opposition to racial consciousness was neither entirely rational nor disinterested. It is time that the enemies of racial, national, and cultural consciousness like Hirschfeld and the Frankfurt School cease to be able to claim a monopoly on rationality and sanity, and that the obsessions and motivations that seem to shape their own ideologies and political behavior be subjected to the same. scrutiny they applied to the societies and peoples whom their thinking could destroy. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's that's kind of what I was hinting at. You want me to put it back up?

Were you reading it? Oh, no, no, no. That's fine. Actually, let's get your thoughts. What do you think? I think I, before we started recording, I asked, what is the function of racism? And I think this answered it pretty well from the perspective of, you know, people that we view as enemies. Well, I mean, racism only exists as a polemic.

I mean, it's it's just their way of seeking to discredit whoever they're throwing that term at. what if somebody says you're a racist okay what does that mean what does that mean I mean I mean it's because I recognize like crime stats and things like does that make me a racist because I want to live in a predominantly white town that has very low crime because I cannot find a predominantly black town that has very low crime, has low crime, especially living in Alabama. Am I a racist? I think I'm just aware of race.

I'm aware. You're aware of racial differences in this society. So, what? Well, one of the strategies that's been put forth from the dissident. is to kind of embrace the label. You know, it's not a strategy that anybody in power would employ, but from the ground up, it's, you know, oh, I'm a racist. Okay, sure.

And then they go on to say something racist. Well, I don't think it's anybody who, I mean, I don't really know a lot of people who would say that other than to just, take the power away from the person who's using it. Yeah, yep, it's completely contextual, completely, you know, within the time. But, yeah, I mean, I've always thought that them bandying that label around constantly, it would either dilute its meaning to nothing, which in some ways it has, in some ways it's still very effective.

Or it would kind of work in the opposite way that they would want it to. that people would start becoming conscious of race. Like, that's been my experiences. I didn't give a fuck about race until I was told I was a racist enough. Well, that's, I mean, that's interesting. The, you know, I've always, growing up where I grew up and everything, I've always noticed that there's a difference. There's, you know, Steve Saylor recently did an article at Tacky addressing

this, addressing like the problem with why black crime is just insane. Violent crime is insane. Now, I heard someone, I can't remember what the guy's name is, say that, well, and these are true numbers, the average age of a white person in the United States right now, and this does not bode well, is 57. Yep. Yeah. I think the average age of a black person is 27 or something like that.

Yeah. Like low. Like very low. Yeah. So if you, who's going to be, who violence would definitely be, you would, you could look at that number and you could say, okay, you know, younger people are going to be more violent than older people on a whole. Okay. Let's start breaking that down. I'm sure you saw the video.

of the 6'280-pound black student who had his Nintendo Switch taken away by a teacher, a white female teacher, who was walking in the hall, and he ran up behind her, blindsided her, knocked her to the ground. It looked like being knocked to the ground. She got knocked out. And then he just jumped on top of her motionless body and started wailing on her. Now, I would think, If there was an epidemic of then you had a couple weeks ago the student in the school bus who just starts wailing on a nine-year-old white girl.

Yep. You also have the Zoomer kid, the Zoomer white kid that pulled over and picked up two black dudes to give him a ride and he ended up getting stabbed by him, which brought up a funny thought experiment. At least I thought it was funny. Is that racism could have saved his life, but had he been a racist that he would have been worthy of death? Yeah. Well, that is, and he's like one of those situations where you're waiting to see if the parents start making excuses. Yeah, yep. Yet again.

No, it's what's been at the far front of my mind, which has a lot to do with this recent. reading is the coming demographic shift and the lowering of average of median intelligence, median IQs going down the tubes. You have ethnic and racial shifts all happening within our lifetime, and you're starting to see things kind of break down. You know, the train derailment, for instance, is just these, like, big things that are starting to fall apart. The close calls with airplanes.

And at the same time, you have the push for DEI and everything else at a municipal and federal level that I'm seeing happen just on the ground level in my job. Let me correct something from earlier. Give me a second. Oh, no, go ahead. Keep going on. And it's. Oh, yeah. No, it's already starting to, we're already starting to see it.

And it's little fissures right now, but it's just going to be, it's going to be an interesting time. It certainly is, which is why I'm trying to get away from trying to get to the smallest town I can. All right. So the last numbers on average age by race or ethnicity is from 2019, Pew Research. As in 2019, the medium age of single-race non-Hispanic black people is 35. In 2000, it was 30. If you combine all minorities in the United States as opposed to whites. In July 2019, it was reported that most common age of whites in the U.S. is 58.

Minorities combined is 27. Yeah. Yep. And if you tease that out, you can see, like, that demographic holocaust happening happening in real time. Sure. And bringing up the high school student is what, you know, and people want to say, oh, well, you know, that's just, it makes more sense.

So younger people are going to be more violent than older people. Okay. Okay. Good. I'll give that. All right. Let's compare high school students. Let's compare high school age students and look at the violence.

if there was an epidemic of white violence in high schools, like you see, like we've seen recently, the videos coming out of school buses and the one in that hallway, it would be plastered everywhere. It would be used as white supremacy. It would be, you know,

does he have a gun in his truck? I mean, it would be all that. It would be every school has metal detectors. Every school has an army of school resource officers. but you don't see that in the in the region that I grew up in that's that's why that's why I kind of had to pause when you uh when you responded to me when I said um you know I never thought about race growing up because Massachusetts has always been like 85% plus white I mean the school that I the school that I graduated from had a handful of Cape Verdeans and that was about it it was not a thing. We were a colorblind society. Oh, yeah. But the, I was talking to Owen Benjamin today, and he's like, if you want to get away from black people, just go skiing.

Yeah. Yep. But the, but if you were, if we were to look at violence by black teens in high schools compared to violence by white teens in high school, I wonder what we would say. Yeah, and do you think it's a conscious rejection of their experience when these teachers or students in these schools that aren't predominantly white, do things like take away the Nintendo Switch or pull over and give a ride to two black dudes or whatever, or just enforce the rule. rules. Is that a conscious rejection or do you think that it just doesn't occur to them? Do you think the engineering has been that good? Oh, I think the engineering is absolutely insane. I mean, the amount of we were, I was talking about this on my episode, what he is, she was talking about it, the amount of like you go into a all white Baptist church in the south. they're praying for to end racism. Yeah.

Okay. Why? Why are they doing this? They're not even thinking about it. It's just there. You can make the argument. I think there are some who maybe that teacher, considering she's a teacher,

I don't want to speak. I know there are good teachers out there. It's painted in our mind. It's like cemented in our mind. But most teachers are leftist progressives and they're there to, you know, she could have been one of those people who either would just ignore it or would see herself as an ally. So obviously, I'm not going to get attacked. This person will understand that I'm doing this for their own good. Yeah, she is, she is the liberal middle ground.

I mean, a true progressive teacher would have let him do whatever he wants. I mean, taking his switch away would be, would be the wrong thing to do. But she's the, you know, the, I'd say the boomer liberal that, you know, values education and he's disrupting the class. And this is, this is worth risking my life over. Did you see the tweet that I shared into the chat yesterday with the, with the, you've been out of the chat? I've checked in like once or twice, but I've been, I've been trying to be good. On your on your let on your let okay um have you seen the video of the you many grocery the buffalo new york a mini grocery store thing uh the guy getting executed yeah yeah yep

i mean what are we doing what are we important we have enough problems dealing with people who are here born here well have you heard about uh Portland illinois introducing a law banning uh banning recognition of the Indian caste system? No. Yes. So Portland is introducing a law banning the recognition of the Hindu caste system. And I'm guessing this is the... What is the population of...

Let me give some background. The major sponsors of the bill are Muslim Indians. So this is just bringing to the forefront that, India has a has a has a has a a an inequality problem that's systemic just like we do and we're not going to tolerate that shit in America. Portland, Illinois. Is it Portland? No, I thought it was. Where did you say?

Portland, Oregon. Oh, it's Oregon. Okay. I'm sorry. I heard Illinois for sorry. I'm retarded. Yeah, I could see that there. Yeah.

Well, yeah. That's funny that that would they would do one. That's fucking brilliant. If you're an Indian Muslim and you hate Hindus, start fucking passing some laws being like, hey, you know, this is going on, right? That is really brilliant. That is really smart. Yeah. Yeah.

I thought it was fucking awesome. How do people not learn? We're seeing, if you go look around the United States, especially if you look at like Desanthus, Florida, just examine some of the stuff that people are doing, especially him. you can change your states in a heartbeat. I mean, he basically just restructured the whole state that it's like, it's going to be hard for a Republican to lose the governorship. Yeah.

And from what I've heard from Florida men, that's been going on for a while. Like the seeds of that were planted, you know, a decade ago as far as packing the courts, appointing permanent positions. They've been working on this, you know,

de-de-liberalizing Florida for a while. Wow. Yeah. That's awesome. It's just, it's so expensive to live there now. Yeah. Yeah. When you look, people like me are constantly thinking about moving to Florida.

You just bought a house. I know. Yeah. I still think about it. Me too. I'm only one state away. You know, it's like, I can make the drive really. easy. But so yeah, I mean, I guess just bring this all back. I think it's interesting that somebody that I've

talked about extensively on this show in, not extensively, but in a couple episodes, I did that episode with Justin Campbell on which books the National Socialists actually burned. You know, because everybody's, oh, they burned the Bible. Oh, they burned. It's like, um, Even the Wikipedia article is honest. It tells you who they burned. Yeah. Whose books they burned. It's very honest.

You can just look at it. There's other things out there. And then just talking about Weimar. How much he's such a huge part of it. There's a book on Weimar called Voluptuous Panic by Gordon. And I mean, it is get a PDF of it and control F it. and just put in Hershfeld. It's just like,

he's author out that book. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, leading, leading cultural degeneracy in, in Weimar, Berlin.

I mean, I'm not an expert, but I've heard T77 speak about it. And, you know, heard a couple things from, you know, other podcasts I listen to

and the shit that you could go, go to a street in Berlin, and you could fuck a horse, you could fuck another, dude you could fuck a kid like it was just a and all you can fuck buffet for 10 years well you read iron kingdom twice right you said yeah yeah yeah so they talk about they talk about go over they they so that's kind of towards the end of the book um they do go over it um just the the the the um the the wide range of uh social little the i think he calls it liberalization uh deprush

depressionization of Germany. I wonder what he meant by that. All right, man, I'm going to let you go. Do you have anything to plug? Are you even on a podcast anymore? Yeah, I've missed the last couple ones. They've been doing some weird things with the schedule and destroyed at work. I'm actually waiting for a call from the fire department any minute now.

It's saying that one of the sprinkler systems blew up from the cold. but yeah, I'm just fucking crazy busy, but not too busy for you, Pete. I appreciate that. You know, I'm going to catch crap from Byrd for you showing up on my show, but not being able to show up on their show. Showing up on my favorite podcast. Well, go when he has time or the inclination, Aaron is on timeline Earth.

and I know that they don't like you because you were left out of the famous bird episode, AI episode. Yeah, yep. He said he couldn't get my voice down. That was his excuse, which I get. I hate my voice, so I wasn't very, I wasn't disappointed. Carr's voice was, it just wasn't there, man. Yeah, it tricked me for a little while, but him saying, like, that was such a good episode.

Yeah, well, the thing about Carr is, I think I said this when Bird was on, is that he alters his voice a lot during an episode. He'll be excited about something. He'll be laid back. So he's constantly going back and forth. And the AI just made him like Paxil, you know, like SSRI car where he was just like one mood the whole time. And I'm like, oh, no, no. But the Trump was so good. Yeah.

Trump was so good. The Bannon was, eh, but the Tucker was good. too and the Rallo. The Rallo was, oh my God. That might be the best voice. That might be the best one. I lost it when he came on. I was in my car just fucking dying.

I thought I was like, oh, this might be the best. It helped to know what I was listening to too. Imagine how many people will listen to that. You know how a lot of people, they get it and they just start fast forwarding, fast forward until it gets through like an introduction or anything.

And then you just start listening to that. to us like, wait a minute. What the hell? Steve Bannon's on the show? What the hell's going on here? Tucker? What? All right, man, I'm gonna let you go. I appreciate you. Thank you. Yep. Thanks a lot, man.