The Pete Quiñones Show - The Discussions With 'Dark Enlightenment' (So Far) - Part 2

Episode Date: November 13, 2025

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I'm not talking about that on the air. Okay. But, yeah. Maybe late. Should be, yeah. Yeah, we'll talk later.

But, hey, what's going on D? How much, man? How are you doing? Doing good. Doing good.

Yeah, just wanted to do. So we're literally recording about an hour after Trump and J.D. Vents and Zelensky had a blow up in the, in the oval. office and so just get people a time frame for when we're recording this and um you know we have other stuff we can talk about but um you want to you've seen the video you want to say anything about what you saw well i i think i mean it was a little bit clownish but but the whole

situation is clownish right this is something that any serious person could have told you you know two years ago like this was uh this guy was a puppet and it was literally an actor a comedian who got put in the presidency because people were watched too much television and are stupid by you know this this thieving oligarch who basically wanted a frontman and he effectively you know started the war like you killed 10,000 people in nova russia by, you know, like shawing them with moors. And you expected, you know, Vladimir Putin for his own sake. Like, he can't just let that slide because the people in his country won't stand for it.

You know this because you've seen the example in Georgia. You know, when Shex-Vili did basically the same thing, tried to join. NATO, John McCain showed up, straight a bunch of crap up. You know, you have people in the United States Senate, like Lindsey Graham, talking about how, well, this is the best money we've ever spent because, like, we just get to kill Russians, and it's none of our troops. And it's just our, I mean, it's cheap money, you know, it's the most wonderful thing in the world, dead slavs. It's just the, my Jewish handlers just love it when Eastern Europeans kill. each other. It's the best thing in the world to them because they're still salty about a program

that happened in 1648. It's the most beautiful thing in the world. I mean, that's basically what this guy's doing. And it's not like a clown show and laughable and disgusting. This entire thing has been a disgusting mess. You know, maybe because I've followed, you know, Dr. Matthew Johnson for years. I knew all this stuff. But everybody in Washington should know this stuff. You should, you know, if you're on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, you should at least know why people don't like Russia. Why are all these gentle pale of settlement Jews? Like, why do they hate Russia so much? Well, I don't know. Why do they spit when they hear the name Bogdong Kim Lanetsky? And then, you know, these are the people that,

have been running everything for what 70 years you know the occupied government you always correctly talk about uh is anyone surprised it that Zelensky is this entitled little worm I mean that's that's that's he's what he is why would you expect any different. Well, I think one of the interesting parts of this is that, you know, if you listen, if people listen to the three episodes, Thomas and I did where he talked about Syrian-Russian relations post-Norrenberg, I mean, you understand that this is basically the same war and that, you know, you've already mentioned that this is really about

ethnic grievances from centuries ago, Trump treating Zelensky like this, and if they just cut them off, he's basically saying, we're not going to help you fight your wars anymore. So, you know, you can make Trump out to be a Zionist. Scott Horton calls him a Lakudnik, but I mean, he just basically spanked the, an apparatchik for international jury. on, you know, basically the world stage. Live on national television, international television. I've always said this about Trump. I don't think Trump's a Zionist because I don't think he knows what a Zionist is.

And I think if you, like, gave him a dictionary definition of Zionism, he'd be like, that doesn't make any sense to me. He just seems like that kind of guy. I think he's a guy who likes Jews and likes Israel. And, you know, his family married Jews, and he's been dealing with Jews his whole life. in New York, and I think he likes some Jews, and I think he just doesn't like this international bullshit that he knows that his legacy, if he ties it to his legacy, you know, it's going to be a, it's going to taint it.

Well, he's already dealing, like you and Thomas said, you know, and I strongly hear his people to give it a listen, right, that the conflict in Israel and the conflict, or the conflict in Gaza in Israel, and the conflict in Ukraine are basically the same thing. They are attempts by the regime to, you know, to stabilize enemies and gain territory. And once you understand that, that effectively, you know, Vladimir Putin's a lot of things. No, no one, no one who's like a nice person gets promoted colonel in East Germany in 1987, like it just doesn't happen, you know, but he's, but he's a serious guy and Russians are chess players, right? And he knows the world system just as much as anybody. And

he saw that like the, the weakness of the world system that was, you know, freezing him, him and his people out of, you know, the national economy and, of making them poor, and trying to, you know, undermine him at home, like, like, okay, well, I cannot attack on this part of the board, but I can attack on this part of the board. And so he supported the Syrians, and that, you know, caused a bunch of problems for the regime. And so they counterattack in Ukraine, right? Because the central fact of Russian life is that, The Volga River that flows through Moscow and is basically the heartland river of the Russian, of European Russia, the way like the Mississippi is to the United States, that river empties into the Caspian, which is a landlock lake that can't give you access to world markets or allow you to have an innate. That's why one of the first Russian capitals was Novgorod in on the Baltic, right?

But the Baltic is a lousy because it's frozen part of the year and it's shallow and it doesn't. And you have to get through the straits in Denmark. I forget what they're called, but you know, like you can't control that. There's all these other powers, Sweden or Denmark or Norway or the UK, who might bottle you up in the Baltic. or the North Sea and keep you from or of course you could go all the way to the Arctic Ocean but that's you know barely tenable because it's only open a few months of the year so the the Russian nation needed a access to the Black Sea that was stable and year round where they could conduct international trade

and have a Navy and for them that means like they can't give up a festival in Crimea they can't give up the rust of the southern Russian

cities that they have to have those It's a matter of life and death for Russia if their economy is based off of exporting energy and agricultural products, mostly to places like India, Africa, and elsewhere, right? They don't have the ability to do that. They're dead in the water. They're going to starve the death in the dark and in the cold. So when the United States says, we're going to threaten that by making Ukraine like an outright enemy of yours,

is it any wonder that that they reacted negatively I mean put the shoe on the other foot if the Mexican said hey we're going to like work with the Cubans and we're going to take Puerto Rico from you and we're going to prevent you

from exiting the Gulf of America like New Orleans is no longer like a viable port for you. Like, people would freak out. Like, you won't be able to export grain down the Mississippi through New Orleans and out to wherever,

or energy, or whatever, whatever else. Your LNG tankers won't make it from New Orleans to Rotterdam anymore. There'd be war. They'd be wore the drop of a hat. You can't do that. the United States, just like there was war when the United States basically prevented the Japanese from importing oil and food.

Like, what are they going to do in 1941? They have to. And pretending that, you know, Zelensky is anything other than a puppet of the regime is absurd that this is not complicated I mean it is sort of complicated in a way but like

if you threaten people's lives they react simple as well I mean to just make it simple you know I like to make things simple just for my brain to start with

before i can jump off somewhere um i mean literally if you if you come into the administration if you start your administration realizing with a whole bunch of people around you are like if we don't start taking care of ourselves and if we don't look after our own interests and even if those interests do become like monroe doctrine type interest where you know central america South America, our coast, our west coast, especially, maybe even Greenland, you have to trim the fat, you have to cut the ties. And, you know, I honestly think that there are the reason why you've seen so many of the, you know, formerly hostile, of a certain, formerly hostile members of a certain tribe, basically,

changing their tune is because they feel like they have to, because everything's falling apart and what they have is falling apart. So, yeah, just as, you know, if you listen to, we're up to episode 15, we have 17 recorded of 200 years together, you see this over and over again. They're going to, for a time, they will switch their tune and the message will be very clear about how oh we're in it with you guys 100% and everything so this is a time when you have to not only take advantage of it but you have to do everything you can and especially in a time when information can travel halfway around the world and in a half a second this has to be a time to

not only take advantage of them doing this but do everything you can to push the narrative that they were responsible for this in the first you know they were responsible for a lot of this in the first place right yeah well Trump and J.D. Vance or Zelenskyy J.D. Vance, you know, arguing and then Trump's saying, this is going to be hard to do business. Like, we're $37 trillion in debt. Our, our military is not capable of going up against the Chinese or the Russians and winning. The United States Navy is, you know, 12 carrier groups that are loading targets that can't actually attack, you know, those near peer adversaries. they just get shot down. They're billions of dollars that are just a hole in the water. So, and whose fault is it that we ended up here? Of course, everyone knows.

And if you're listening to this program, you're listening to me, you know whose fault it is. But, you know, one of the good ones, I guess, Milton Friedman, right? The system that works is a system that doesn't, you know, empower good people. It forces bad people to do the right thing. even though they don't want to.

So when Marco Rubio's changed his tune, it's because he has to. There's no rescuing the present order. Like, we just can't afford it anymore. You know, like, you can't have quote-unquote unmanned planes where, you know, they flipped upside out. Like, like, no more women pilots. Sorry.

Like, when billionaires are like, oh, I'm going to die. When I get on my private plane, if the pilot isn't like, you know, a 45-year-old white dude with a little bit of gray in his hair and it looks like the aviators were welded on his face. Like, those are your choices. You have to empower the people actually capable of running the system. And right, you know, for the last 50 years at least,

it's just been like, let's just take from these people and add more and more burdens on them and destroy them. With drugs, with opiates, with useless wars, with, you know, super high taxes, whatever. That's the, well, we just can't carry it anymore. We can't. And Zelensky is this, you know, this clownish burden to the tune of how many billions of dollars is it been? 300. Some say 350, yeah.

350 billion. You know what I could do with a tenth of that? You know, I could rebuild all of America with that much money. Those days are over. And really, going forward now, what needs to be done. And, you know, what we saw yesterday was basically a clown show where everyone knows. that, you know, everyone knows what Jeffrey Epstein was, you know, and anyone who's arguing against that is arguing it's survival mode for them. You know, even, um, even Dave Smith had a tweet

yesterday where he said, I'm starting to think that handing the massad pedophiles to a bunch of Zionists might not be the best way to get the truth to the public. I mean, You're, yeah. Well, Dave, Dave, here's what happened. And you know it, and I know it, and everybody knows it. Your cousins used my tax money to coerce and abuse kids that look like my kids, like my daughters, into blackmailing politicians that are working, supposed to be working for me. He.

into supporting a war that got kids that looked like my kids killed in Iraq for no damn reason. And then when they came home messed up, your cousins sold them drugs that killed them or ruined their lives. And they've been doing it and running everything into the ground for the last at least half century, more likely 80 years, put the nice even number at, uh, 1950, say, that's 75 years this year. Okay. So Dave, when your family does this sort of thing, and to his credit, he talks about it, until you do that, until you talk about that, the fact that we're occupied, you're not dealing with reality.

And what Zelensky was doing was sitting in the, White House saying, well, yeah, I mean, I have a natural right to occupy you. And Donald Trump's saying, like, we don't have the money anymore to afford to keep paying you guys. And he lost his mind. He lost his mind in public. It's crazy that anyone should conduct themselves like that in public. Well, we've been talking about an occupied government and, you know, our forebearers, you know, used to use the term. Zog back in the 70s and 80s and get arrested and get their homes, not their compounds, which is a propaganda word, raided, and their families, you know, killed like Randy Weaver, who went and hid in the woods because, well, people have seen the shirt he was wearing, this just has to end. And if you are to believe that these documents will come out, most people, I think,

have a tendency to believe that the reason they're not coming out is because, oh, there are people who don't want to be exposed as pedophiles and things like that. It's like, no, there are people who don't want to be exposed as traitors to the country. because the penalty for being a traitor is being treated like, who were the last people who were killed for being executed for being traitors in this country? Were they the Rosenbergs? Well, that's the way we celebrate Juneteenth. It's Julius Nathanthal Rosenberg Day.

That's why I celebrate Juneteen, anyway. But there's huge numbers of people. basically everyone in Congress but Thomas Massey and maybe a couple others right who have you dug into it they're traitors

virtually the entire Democratic Party most of the Republican Party they're traitors this USAID thing you know Mike Ben's for all that he's done good work and talked about like he's

he's steam control he's trying to get people to be like well it's bad but you know like no no no it's just all bad it's he always is he always has been meme um you know because even when he was frame game he was trying to direct you away from certain things right yeah well yeah because because he's he's a member of the tribe and he was like well yeah you might have a point but you know Paul Gottfried were Ron Ones. Like, well, okay. So Paul Gottfried and not Ron Ones get to be in the last car out.

Like, I don't know. Like, not my problem. This is, you know, we were on the verge of nuclear war because Victoria Newland was salty about a program from 375 years ago. like that's insane that's like me being mad about a nuclear like pushing us the edge of a nuclear war

because like all over cromwell like oppressed the irish like yeah i'm not happy about it yeah i don't like cromwell yeah i don't think that he's a good guy but nuclear war well you know and i think people are people think you're being hyperbolic with that um i don't i don't think most people realize just exactly how far and how hard putin was being pushed in the last in the last year to react in a way that would

they're trying to basically make him on the world some of them are trying to make him on the world stage you know look like look like a maniac because all they can do is say he's a maniac oh he invaded another country great that's been happening the whole the whole of our existence is one country invading another country or one peoples or tribe invading another there's nothing new about that but there are some who wanted to make him no and there were some there are some who want us all die. There's a thread on Twitter that I shared yesterday, and it shows it has in it a paper, a submitted paper, research paper, by someone who used to work at the NIH and had an office right

across from Dr. Fauci, who said that COVID and the COVID vaccine were a Mossad plot to kill a billion people. this was a legitimate like medical paper right you know one of the reasons rfk was opposed is he brought up the fact that that you know the COVID-19 virus attacked whites and more than others ethnic groups and didn't attack what Asians and Ashkenaja Jews yeah Ashkenazi Jews and Asians yeah right so we're dealing with a bio weapon that was there was again using my money anthony fowgy and members of the tribe went to a racially hostile communist shithole and said help us build a bioweapon to destroy our own country

in case they get mad at us for destroying their country. And notice, notice, I'll just interrupt you for a second, I'll let you keep going. Sephardic Jews, Mizrahi Jews, all the other kinds of, no, these are the Galician's. These are the pale, these are the Paleosettlement Jews who are responsible for this. They're, they're targeting everyone else. Yes. except the people who accept the people who

help them build it. Yeah. And not only did they do that, but, you know, the entire COVID operation was just a Boston operation from Goodfellers. All you need to know about politics is, you know,

watch enough mob movies and understand that these people are just the difference between the Colombo's or the Genovese's and the Bushes and the Clintons is who cuts their suits. They're not any better or, you know different people they they run rackets they they kill people it's what they people do now um you know justin stam just wrote a really good book about mafia power like that's just how power works not trying to try to sugarcoat or anything like that's just this is

just how the game is played but okay if if the difference between the bushes and the Lumbo's is who cuts their suits, then when they use these tactics, you shouldn't be surprised. So the COVID operation, it was just the bust out scene from Goodfellas. It was, you know, because all of these mom-and-pop restaurants where, you know, they've got a restaurant, spending a family 30 years you do a pizza place or maybe a diner or something right dad runs grill mom mom runs the front of the house kids actus waiters or waitresses or buss or whatever and then they hire a few folks and then they've got a family restaurant that you know does a million dollars a year in revenue and the building is worth

yeah two hundred fifty thousand dollars and you know after expenses that the family makes a nice, modest, you know, 110 grand or whatever. Well, that family has, you know, the land and the building and the business worth millions of dollars in assets. And that person might not have, you know, $100 million to where they can, you know, go up against, you know, the Walton family. But if 100 of them get together, they can go up against the Walton family. And they might actually be able to get something that they want.

Because they have the capital to be actually, you know, Thomas Jefferson, not my favorite philosopher after I learned how the world actually works. But, you know, property owners, yeoman property owners, whether they have a small restaurant people or small business people who guys own a machine job or something. if they have that money, they can stand up for themselves. And it doesn't matter if it's in Iraq or in Ohio. Coherent societies full of people who can stand up for themselves is the thing that the regime does not want. That's why Springfield, Ohio got fluttered with all those Haitian refugees. because they don't want you to be able to, like, be in Springfield and look around Ohio and go, man, we're getting screwed, and we should do something about it. They don't want you to be able to resist.

Yeah, they've created, I interviewed a gentleman that Jay Burden interviewed recently introduced me to named John Moody, and he's a guy who he puts on events with Joel Salatin. Oh, yeah. I think a lot. Yeah. It was a great show in the time. Oh, thanks. Yeah, he's, you already listen to the one I put up? Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, he's a Kentucky guy, six kids, living on 25 acres, producing his own food. And, you know, one of the takeaways, one of the things you can take away from that episode is, yeah, that, you know, was this malicious? Was it, was it, you know, stupidity? Well, whatever it was, I mean, it weakens people. It takes our strength away. It also takes away our ability to rationalize. I mean, people can say whatever they want about, you know, lower testosterone, you know, weakening men and also making them more leftists.

But it also damages, you know, lower testosterone is shown to be something that affects cognitive ability. So if you're taking away people's not only physical strength, but their cognitive ability, you know, the argument can be made that a certain tribe doesn't, the majority don't exhibit physical strength, but they still, their cognitive ability to rationalize and scheme and do things is still there. Well, I mean, that's even trying to be taken away from, that's trying to be taken away from us. right well because they don't want you and I to be able to argue with them why do you think you got demonetized it wasn't because you were wrong it's because they don't want to deal with this this uh

obnoxious spaniard like spaniards defeated us ones we don't want these people it would be a problem again take his money take his wallet take his coat kick him out that's what they did you know Thomas should be a professor at the University of Chicago or the Ivy League or Oxbridge or like a major like law academic

something and to his great credit he's built a life for himself outside of that after the system took all that stuff away from him but if it was just pure ability why isn't this guy you know teaching at Harvard why isn't he teaching at Yale or Princeton or University of Chicago or Stanford why not well because he's against the system. And the system wasn't like, well, we don't want to give you a shot. You'll make us look like fools.

He did it anyway. But that's, you know, they don't want us to be able to organize because they know they've got a losing hand. You know, like, hey, do you want to be like weak and dumb and dependent and not having industry in your country and not be able to get married,

and not have any kids and be gay. That's not a real, like, that's, like, no one's going to sign up for that. I guess more than what you would want more than seeing the government fixed and, you know, seeing the deep state or the administrative state dismantled is, you know, and I'm not, this isn't coming from a populist kind of standpoint, is you want to see people just making the decision that, okay, I can't rely upon these people and I can't rely upon the system that's been built. I need to take care of myself. I need to take care of me and my family. And I think that there are definitely, you've seen since Trump started, you know, in

2015 with his rhetoric, you know, if, if nothing else, Trump's just a wrecking ball. And I think he's managed to help a lot of people have a reset in their own mind. And you see more people being like, okay, yeah, I'm going to have to do this on my own. Yeah, we're going to have to do this for ourselves. Um, this is not something that, um, you know, we can rely upon. And, you know, to those people, I know there was a lot made of, oh, you know, Trump, if you, Trump is just, he's going to be a pressure release valve. If he's a pressure release valve for people, those people are lost. And those people, they're just sheep and they need to be led. So you need to step in and you need to tell them how they need to live. I mean, after 2020, anybody who thinks that the overwhelming

majority of people should be left to their own devices, I mean, you're, you're not even in the game anymore. These people need to be told how to live and hopefully more people when they're seeing what's happening and things like realizing, oh, the Epstein thing, no one's ever going to pay for what Epstein did. You know, it's like, well, then you can't rely on the government. You have to start doing things for yourself. And we can do things for ourselves if we make that decision instead of waiting around or fucking making excuses.

Like, the Jews control everything, so I can't do anything with my life. There's a lot of people. There's a lot of people who know what we know, who are very successful. Why are they very successful? Because they fucking try and don't make excuses. Right. Well, it's, there's a couple things that you mentioned there that I think are worth talking about. First of all, all right, 10 organized guys can control 10 million people, right?

And in the vast majority of people don't want to be free. It's too much work. that if you still believe in like being free for the majority of people like no that's not what they want they want their beer cold and their football on that's what they want which is fine like you can want that me personally i want to be free so i do what i do and I, you know, to incur all these risks because I think it's worth telling the truth. Now, with those two things in mind, the only people who can actually deliver something where those people who just want to just want to grill, want to watch football,

what the beard would be cold, the only way that those people can live decent lives is if someone who cares about them is in charge, right? People who would flood their communities with opiates don't care if those people like that, that's not good for those people. Destroying marriage is bad for those people. So they can't afford a house is bad for those people. Okay. Well, how do we get things in such a way that we can be in charge?

We can have some agency in our lives. And we can, they start to change things. Well, I mean, it starts with, you know, the first rule of, you know, getting in a group conflict is have some pros. Reach out to the old glory club, an interactive club, or whoever it is that you feel most compelled to reach out to, reach out to him. Because the Long Wolf dies alone. And if you know what we know, things aren't going to get better. Trump is trying to bring this in for a control, like the landing gear is stuck and it's moving too fast and Trump is trying to bring it in for a controlled landing

that's going to hurt and going to break a bunch of stuff, but it might mostly be intact and not kill everybody. Who is he going after? USAID? Well, everything that they did was bad. evil, you know, the entire, uh, useless, you know, she, and equate industrial complex. Well, that, that's just a money laundering operation for our enemies.

Why? Why is it acceptable that there are tens of trillions of dollars of real estate that are just wasting in all of our major cities where decent people could live and work and have families? why is that okay why is that acceptable well yeah i think you know the answers to that yeah um yeah you and i know most of people listening know and the answer is of course that we live in an occupied government and the first step to on occupying that government is having enough people with some agency and some ability to do things in their lives

recognize that occupation and start to organize against it. You know, Pete, you've done great work talking about elite theory. Well, you know, the first step to any political fight is having a lead on your side. Yeah, if

the Old Glory Club was about popularity, and we would just let anybody in. That's not what it's about. And the sooner people figure that out, the better I was listening to Steve Bannon on with Tim Dillon this morning. I made it about 20 minutes. He's just all populism, all populism. Oh, the people this, people that, and we had to do this.

Oh, you know, the people, this is a guy who acts like people will make the right decision if you just give them the proper circumstances. That's, where has that ever been shown? I mean, it's been proven wrong in this country because you, they had the chance to be like, no, in 1880, they had a chance. No, we're not going to take, we're not going to bring in this group of people who has been causing problems throughout Eastern Europe for centuries. Oh, no, we'll just let them in.

Oh, yeah, we'll let them in. Yeah, sure. I mean, so much of a problem that German Jews who had been here for, you know, 80 years prior wouldn't even let them into their golf clubs. They were like, we think these people are, these people are a problem. But, oh, okay, sure. Yeah, well, just all the pale, all the pale, all the Galician's. Bring them in. Yeah, all the Polacks.

Well, and I, and here's the thing about Steve Banner. Is he's lying. And he knows, like, you know he's lying. He knows that you know he's lying and he's doing it anyway. Because this dude's read Avila. He's, he's, he's read back in the first administration, they were always like, oh, Steve Bannon reads this dangerous stuff like Carl Schmitt. Like, he knows.

He's, you know, he's a former spook. There's no such thing as, of course, is a former spook. But, you know, like, He knows. So why do you continue to talk about populism? Steve? Who's pulling your strings such that you think you have to justify yourself with like populism of, you know, the multiracial working class?

Well, maybe I don't want to be solidaristic with people who aren't my people and don't share my interests and consistently vote against those interests whenever they're given the chance and constantly take from me and their entire middle class is the fabrication of federal government spending and they commit all the violent crime in our country maybe I don't want to be forced to be

so holistic with those people and you know this I know you know this because you work for Breitbart and they touch it sort of and in order to know where the line is and go right up to it, you have to know what's on the other side of the line.

Otherwise, you would have blunder to cross it ages ago. So if you're constantly tap dancing on that line, you have to know what's on the other side to not cross it. So why are you lying, Steve? Well, Breitbart, because he'd in Israel, born in America. I had Tom Luongo on a week or a week and a half ago,

and I told him, I said, I want you to listen to this episode I did with a guy who's a hedge fund manager, Ron Dodson. And I said, oh, he talks in the beginning about how Trump negotiates. And he listened, fantastic. What those were fantastic, by the way. Yeah, Ron's wonderful.

He's going after OSI-N-T, OS-I-N-T on Twitter this morning. I told them, I said, listen to this about how Trump negotiates. And he got past that, and he started listening. And he's like, you know, he listened to what we talked about right after that. And he got with me and he said, I want to thank you for sharing that episode. And then he went on like a couple podcasts and actually mentioned the episode. Because what we talked about after that was that the fact that we, the age of consensus politics is dead,

which means that populism is dead. We are not in, nobody cares, nobody really cares about what the people wants anymore. It's about who's going to get power and who's going to do a thing. And if Trump has proved anything by getting rid of, you know, the cash cows, you know, I said today with him slapping down Zelensky,

was basically him slapping down, you know, a branch of international jury. Him cutting off USAID is a way of basically defunding a branch of international jury. And he's doing this without, I mean, the- Taking the Pulitzer of the city of London is, is defunding, you know, like, yeah. Right, and Jews are just, Jews are just criminals. like they're just mafiosi, right? Beaming Netanyahu's a hard dude,

but he's just a mafiosi. Right, he's corrupt. He's, you know, constantly engaging in shady deals. Like, like, that's, he's just, that's,

that's what he is. And they've all been that way, every single one of, you know, what was it, the, the former prime minister who was,

Dawson's talked about this. The guy who was former Israeli intelligence who was neck deep in the Mossad or in the Netanyat or a knee deep in the Epstein thing. Not Ehud Barak.

Yeah, Barack. Yeah. Oh, is it? Okay. Yeah. So these people are just criminals. Right? The only difference between Congress and your local mafia is who cuts their suits.

right stormy's talked about this a lot it's worth you know uh former senator from Washington state um

Henry Scoop Jackson right the joke was that he was the senator from Boeing all through the Cold War right we need more appropriations for you know like he just never met the you know defense appropriations bill he didn't love because he was Boeing's man in Washington well everybody's that everybody you see on capitol hill they're all somebody's somebody they're all

like a walking wallet for somebody they're a mouthpiece for somebody they're their legal guy whatever you know what you call CBS CIA broadcasting system right yeah 100% you know Washington Post how did Bob Woodward former intelligence operator like go from you know junior cup reporter to the man on the biggest story in the history of the newspaper I mean we've we basically found out that like operation mockingbird never ended like Politico's just a mockingbird operation like you think Bill Buckley left the CIA to found National Review, or do you think the CIA told him to found National Review? Which one? What do you think really happened there?

Rothbard covers that in betrayal of the American Right, which is basically a pretty good, you know, if you read around the obvious libertarianism and things like that, it's a good history of the neocons, one of the better history of the neocons, actually. Yeah, it's a wonderful book. um but yeah like you think political is any different you think the washington post is any different like oh uh r t is not available in this country because it's you know propaganda state media what do you think npr is it's just it's just state media for shitlips you know PBS it's not any different the BBC it's all all like and

And the receipts are there. Like, this is, you've been paid by, you know, left-wing Zionists to promote their narrative. And they don't want Western nations to be full of free people who are capable of standing up on their own because they might stand up for themselves against the occupiers. Simple as. Like, they didn't want the bath party, you know, in Syria and Iraq. of because the Arabs due to their own civilizational deficiencies require like a strong man central

central power to like keep organize them and get them to do anything so the bath parties couldn't stand because that had enabled Arabs to organize and and especially their own interest contrary interests of Israel just the way that you know

Governor Shapiro in Pennsylvania doesn't want those white coal miners to be able to organize successfully in their own self-defense because then they'll Storm Harris bring like, dude, what's going on? Well, then they could oppose him, so they don't want that. I guess that brings us back to, you know, talking about, or we've never finished talking about just, or it's just a continued conversation about what we do for ourselves.

And that's what it's always come to. We can't, as much as I would love to see Trump just absolutely dismantle, you know, the administrative state, sitting here and expecting him to do that, or sitting here and hoping he does that and then hoping it somehow benefits me because I think one of the things that we got straw manned on

was when we started talking about the PayPal Mafia last year that we were like, oh, you want these guys to be in charge. It's like, no, what I'm thinking is there is quite a possibility that these people don't want me dead as compared to the regime that's in charge and considering some of the things that I know that I, heard that they want to do, maybe there'll be some things that'll line up that I'll be able to take advantage of.

It wasn't, oh, we think these people are going to be in there and they're going to be our friends and they're going to be at 100%. No one ever said that. But, you know, if you're a dyed in the wool ideologue who, you know, needs everything to be 100% their way, which you're never going to get, then you hear one thing while we're saying another. Okay, well, Mark Andreessen is a lot of things. Stupid is not one of them. Okay. Mark Andreessen knows that in a world without reliable electricity, his billion dollar fortune that's built on computers and technology, and we're deadly squat. I don't know what

his day-to-day life is like. But I imagine being able to take a private plane wherever you want and have multiple houses and cool locations is pretty cool. It's kind of nice to be able to like, oh, the Metropolitan Opera, New York is doing La Traviata this weekend, and I really like that opera, and they've got a really good soprano playing the main part. So I'm going to go. I'm going to go, let's see La Traviata on Saturday night tomorrow night.

So I could be in Florida You'd be like, I'm going to go See La Trove tomorrow And you call your guy up And you get on your plane In the morning And you fly from Florida to New York And you land at your private airfield

That only other really rich dudes go to And Then you go to your New York apartment That's nice It's quiet and you change into your nice outfit And he goes to La Triviata And you go to your nice restaurant after the opera That's exclusive

And you crash at your nice Newark place And then the next day you fly home To your nice sunny Place in Florida In the Keys in the wintertime And it's fantastic Well in order for all of that to happen Mark Andreessen has got to have people who are capable of flying his airplane

and maintaining his airplane and maintaining the airport and maintaining the roads and maintaining the power stations so that all of that stuff works and maybe just maybe Mark Adreson wants to be in charge because Mark Adreson or Peter Thiel or whoever wants to be in charge

because they want to be in charge. Well, guess what? They have billions of dollars and if they want stuff, stuff happens. If Peter Thiel wants to be in charge of things and he wants there to be

functioning electricity because PayPal doesn't work when there's no electricity and so he doesn't have any money if there's no electricity. Well, then I benefit because, hey, I like electricity too. Not only enables me to talk to my buddy,

Pete, but it means they don't freeze to death. so I'm a fan and what I think these guys have seen is that we white western civilization particularly the men

were carrying such a parasite load that it was going to kill the host and they're like, oh well I like being King Parasian parasite, to use an analogy, right? I like being the guy at the top of the heap who has my billions of dollars and my nice tech fortune, all which, you know, they've genuinely done things to earn, right? PayPal, PayPal is handy. Netscape Bowser revolutionized everything. Eelan Musk is no dummy, like these people are genuinely doing things, but what they've exposed

is just how much of everything else was dragging us down. Millions and fake social security, millions of fake social security numbers, millions, billions of dollars in fake influence ops. You know, 10% of the country

is working at some sort of nonprofit that is mostly just a government money laundering operation. You know, you and I talked about the teachers unions in the series on Brace Warren High School. That's just a money-aligned operation. It's funny when I started reading that book, and I think I'm, I think I re-released it recently, or I'm getting ready to re-release it in the big file and everything. You know, we didn't realize, we thought we were just going to find out about, you know, a bunch of kid, a bunch of kids, quote unquote, chimping out in high school.

And we found out that, well, no, we were going to read about the Jewish takeover of a public union. And it laid out exactly how they did it. I mean, that's the craziest thing about that book is you're like, oh, okay, well, you know, blacks are beating people up doing drugs and raping teachers. Wow, I did not know that. No, I kind of knew that. I just had never really seen it spelled out in such detail. But what we really found out was we found out why nothing was ever going to be done about it because a heist was happening.

Right, yeah, because Randy Whitegarten is the, you know, AFT head, right? And she's a Jewish lesbian, married to a rabbi or something. And basically, right, was just saying USA, ID scam, right? They're going to take a bunch of decent people's tax money. They're going to splash it out to all their friends. And those friends are going to be like, well, you know, you just gave me a thousand bucks. I'm going to give you $100 back to continue to splash out that money for me because, you know, I'm getting, you know, summer's off, huge, you know, and they knew it was going to, I'm like it, they could read an actual aerial table in 1976. they knew it was going to bankrupt the state in New York.

You know, 50 years from now in the 2020s, they didn't care because they were getting paid now. It's like, well, you know, again, Peter Thiel, Mark and Driesen, not dumb guys. They read that actuarial table and said, oh, well, if we want to live in a society that functions, well enough that we can enjoy it and do things like go to nice restaurants and go see the opera and, And go see, you know, symphony orchestras and have nice houses with, with, you know, functioning electrical systems and clean water and all that stuff. Like, we're going to have to put the ship all right. Because there's no other elite around to do it.

We said for years, hey, maybe he should fix us. Maybe he should fix us. Well, lo and behold, you know, old cocaine Mitch, whose wife was the former. Transportation Secretary who is from an oligarchical Chinese family, she's not real interested in fixing America. Well, why not? Well, because she doesn't, because she's not American. Elaine Chow is not an American.

Why was this prison? You know, this transportation secretary under W. Bush. Why are all these federal judges who aren't Americans being put in place where they can like block the Trump administration and say, well, I mean, I'm not an American and my wife works for, you know, an open border's NGO, but I'm going to tell you guys how your constitution works. What? No, like this, this can't work. It will not continue to function. How many, there's probably a hundred million fraudulent illegal immigrants in America. If you, rounding up, like, it might be 80 million, it might be 75 million.

But tens of millions, certainly that many if you include their offspring who shouldn't be citizens, right? But are because, or temporarily are because of our ridiculous system. Have we been to a public emergency room lately? They're unusable. The streets look like the dark side of the moon. Yeah, if you're anywhere near a city, it just looks like an airport in Africa. Yeah. And so no matter what, right, Trump just telling Zeliski, hey, like, we can't do business like this.

I'll believe it when I see it. But whoever's pulling Donald Trump's strings understands that we're at the end of the runway. There's no more room. Now, the national debt, interest on the national debt exceeds our defense spending, and that was already bloated by three or four times too much. Basically, at this point, what we're hoping for is you're just hoping for more of the rot to be cut away, because the more rot that's cut away, the more opportunity that is for you. The more chance that's removed.

Yeah, that's... Well, I mean, people need to understand. There's too many people looking at this, and I get them coming into the comments on my live stream or leaving comments on Twitter, they're, I'm willing to do something as soon as everything's perfect. It's not ever going to be perfect. So you have to be able to recognize opportunity when it presents itself. And it's presenting itself right now. Things are being, things are being put in place. Now, we may, we may have a quote unquote correction. in the market very soon.

So, you know, I don't know if that's the place you'd look now when everything goes down. If you have some extra, you know, you might want to ride the wave back up. But, no, what I'm talking about is I'm talking about tangible goods, employment, starting your own business, all of these things, starting a family, going and, you know, seeing if you can find some land somewhere. And it doesn't have to be, make sure it's not in the, it doesn't have to be in the greatest zip code. We've been sold that. Just someplace where you're comfortable, someplace where you're safe. All of these things can be, all of these things can, should be had, you should have been able to do this under the Biden administration if you had your head on straight. But now, a lot of that rot is being torn away.

and if you're just sitting there and you're complaining and you're like, well, I don't want to do anything until everything's perfect. Well, that's not going to happen. So you're just going to be lost. I used to think like that. I used to think like that. It's like, well, why should I even bother really trying when, you know, if you own a house, you never really own it because of property taxes. And the more money I make, the more income tax I'm going to pay and everything. And I mean, that's just a loser mentality. It's just a loser mentality. And I hear it. I hear it all too often, and it's one of the reasons why I ran away from libertarianism because you'll hear that. I remember in 2021, people were complaining about, you know, it's like, oh, well, what do we do?

And Matt Erickson said, make more money. And immediately, there was like five comments saying, oh, so that I can pay more taxes to pay for the war in Yemen. Yeah. It's like, look, so you have more power, dumbass, because money is power. that that's why I mean the people who don't want to win just don't want to win

and you can't help those people so leave them behind and do whatever you can to help yourself and those that want to help you and those that also want to win yeah you know when Thomas people still contact me all the time

and go When Thomas says, you know, we're not Jovis witnesses, we're looking for a vanguard, what does that mean? It means exactly what it means. It means that we're putting information out there, and I know that a lot of the people listening to this don't want to be a part of the vanguard. They're looking for information, they're looking for education, whatever can help them. But, you know, one of the good things that has come out of this show is a lot of people joining the the Old Glory Club, and us getting to meet a lot of young people who are eager to be elite. They want to know how to do that.

They want to know how to get power. They want to know how to get—that's what this is all about. You're looking—it goes back to the whole—what we were talking about about, populism. Not everybody's going to be able to—it's one of the reasons why Jesus said you'll always have the poor. Because some people are just not going to want to do for themselves. They'll always find an excuse to not. And, yeah, I mean, what we're doing, what this was always all about was trying to lift people up who want to be lifted up. And now some things are being, some rot is being stripped away.

It might even be able to make it a little bit easier so that you can maybe some regular. Some regulations will be gone. It'll allow you to do things that you would, you never thought about doing. So right now, if you're a white man under the age of 30, you've been hiking with a bunch of other people's food in your backpack and expected to,

you know, when it's time to stop to camp, you're expected to hand them their food. Well, what the Trump administration has just done, said, well, you don't got to carry that anymore.

You can hike farther and faster and take care of yourself more when you're not carrying other people's stuff. Now, if he actually does it, or if it's just all talk, we'll see. This Epstein rugpole was pretty disappointing, but nevertheless, he's exposing the rot. And that might get people the moral courage to understand just where we're at. I don't know if that's his play. I don't know if that's their plan. I don't know what the goal is.

But I know for a fact that no matter what happens, I'll be better off if I find guys that I know I can trust that are also working to improve themselves and improve their own situations

as I'm trying to do myself. So no matter what, like there's a wonderful old prep blog, probably from the 2010s, um, it used to call the Wood Pile Report. Called the gentleman, called himself Old Remus. And he said, if a prep doesn't make your life better in general, it's

useless. So having a case of memories, good idea. Spending every last dime you have to have a year's worth of MREs, bad idea. No matter what you're doing in your life. If you don't have any debt, And you're in good shape and you're looking to network with bros. Like,

do any of those things make your life worse? No, of course not. Does it mean you're putting together like a, you know, Mad Max's Apocalypse Squad? I mean, maybe.

But, like, being in shape and, and having friends is like, not a bad thing no matter what. So just do it. do the do the prep that makes your life better no matter what you know instead of just endlessly you know it's supposed it's a little bit hypocritical guy you know guy who does a bunch of podcasts

telling people to stop just endless go us any podcast but go out and do something you know use this knowledge you've been given that you know those of us who give it to you to incur great risks to do it, you know, not only do you, should you use that knowledge to improve your own life, but, you know, support the people that support you and go to, you know, free man and be on the wall slash support to enable Pete to, you know, keep doing this so that you have more, more of a larger network. Because right now, if you're an OGC guy, you can go just about anywhere in America and find a bro.

And within a year from now or two years from now, I would be very, very surprised if there weren't OGC guys in every state. At least getting chapters up in every state up and running, because I believe we do have OGC guys in every state now spiritually. We just were doing this officially. So, yeah, I got to cut it there because I got another one coming up this afternoon. but I do appreciate you coming by and I really hope people got the message today that there are some good things happening

you will be disappointed it's politics you have no control over it you're going to be disappointed suck it up keep going and do what you need to do to take care of you and yours and you know

don't buy into this lie that collectivism is socialism or communism And then when you say that, people are like, well, no, only if you use a state. No, if you're local and you get one of your people elected. I mean, one of our people is a state's attorney right now. One of our people, like a bunch of our people are working in this administration. And that's something. That's something to celebrate.

If that can happen, there's no reason why your local area you guys can't, get together and take over and, you know, defeat the enemy in your local area and try to work on making it what you wanted to look like, what you and your people want it to look like. So I'll end on that, and I'll give you the last word if you have anything. No, just, you know, support the people to support you. You know, rebrand me on the wall slash support, right? I appreciate that, man. Well, thank you.

And until the next time, take care of yourself, right? Thanks, man. I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekingana show. I have two frequent beloved guests here today. So, Thomas, how are you doing? I'm well. Thanks for inviting me. Dee, how are you doing?

I'm fantastic, man. Thanks for having me back. All right, Dee. This was your idea for a conversation. So have at it, man. Nicasa, Sukasa. Thank you so much. So everyone should totally check out, I mean, everything that Beaton Thomas have done together.

But the Mosley series in particular, I found really fascinating just because, you know, Mosley shares a cultural milieu with us. And in I think episode four or five, you guys talked about the fascist international conference, the first one, first and only one. And we mentioned all the different nations that were there. And if you haven't read Paul Gottfried's fascism, the career of a concept, I think it's a really good book, despite, you know, Dr. Gottfried being of the tribe, I believe he's an honest man. And it got me thinking that, you know, in 1916 at the Somme, if you'd gone back a century to the Congress of Vienna, where Napoleon was, or the, you know, Hoppa recently called it a gentleman's piece, right? You have this where despite firearms, most of the people in the world were still agricultural peasants. And despite advances in things like the McCormick Reaper Binder in the 1850s or improved yields and crops and other things, right? like an agricultural peasant from like a Roman Latifundia would fundamentally understand like a guy who was growing food in Mississippi in like 1855.

But in the 19th century, between the Somme and Vienna, you had cars, trains, refrigeration, canning, telecommunications in the telegraph and the telephone. I mean, just literally everything in normal life, everyday life, changed 100%. And in a very weird way, like World War I represents like the death of the old world. And fascism is this opportunity. There's like there's three kind of semi-coherent ways to deal with this new change world that happens after the war, after the great war of capitalism. Bolshevism and fascism and

um really to me the only one that actually kind of makes coherent sense with like human beings as they are that have particular loves and attachments and to you know it doesn't destroy religion and whatever

um fascism was the one coherent way to actually address all these changes without like just air rejecting them entire there are people who will you know Larp as Catholic monarchists or whatever and like we just need to go back to the way it was in the 13th century like that's nice thought but that ain't happening so i couldn't think of anybody better than thomas to like actually elucidate how fascism was this just very real attempt to grapple with the world as it now found itself and i think that people need to understand that like those are your alternatives right you can have bolshevism you can have judeo uh usurious capitalism or you you can have some sort of state socialism and that's it so well it's also it's important to

consider i think um i mean i invoke the term capitalism because just for intelligibility and people like schumpeter they invoked it for the same reason even though he didn't think that it was um particularly useful as a descriptor in absolute terms but important thing to keep in mind is that the New Deal revolution, it was with revolutionaries, what happened in Germany in 1933, or would it happen in the Soviet Union? Okay, like, it wasn't, Roosevelt wasn't just this guy who was like, well, you know, there's a structural crisis underway, so we needed an executive to step in and, you know, and kind of manage the, the crisis situation. Like, the New Deal was this top-down ideology of retooling the entire way of living of, you know, millions and millions of people.

And I make the point again and again that, like, what became the Civil Rights Revolution, euphemistically, that started under Roosevelt, like, forced racial integration, this kind of trying to forcibly strip people of their identitarian characteristics. you know um that was one of the kind of secondary imperatives the military draft was the kind of condition people um towards those uh towards those imperatives you know so it wasn't um it wasn't this kind of like neutral administrative apparatus that was implemented but that also, you know, had sort of like a war profiteer's sensibility, you know, in terms of power political affairs. So that's fundamentally important. And it's not in these people were very much adjacent, the communists. I mean, that's why they, it wasn't just that they hated the fascists and the national socialists.

And it's not just that they were sympathetic to Zionism. First and foremost, Roosevelt himself didn't particularly like Jews. I mean, that's just a fact. Like, his primary sympathy was for communism. You know, like, in the view of people like him, you know, this is an inevitability. This is the way the world is going. You know, and for context, too, because people do this day, they still talk about guys like Burnham as being neocons. Because, you know, in the 1920s, they would bandy socialist ideas.

People don't understand that ontologically, every single person thought that way because there'd been a total collapse of the nascent world economy. And in the absence of information tech, that situation is unmanageable. Like, laissez-faire is not possible in a true sense if there's no such thing as situational awareness up to the moment. you know really the situation kind of endured until the late 1980s like the reason now like there's not true economic crises um part of that is structural and part of that has to do with the uh the the deep integration of capital but the primarily it's the elimination of uncertainty like i can tell you right this moment like what's happening in european markets okay even like 40 years ago 30 years ago i i wouldn't know for hours you know um in the 1920s i wouldn't know for days so this idea that people you know who weren't inclined towards um new dealerism or towards communism or towards utopian socialism whatever they were they were just advocating um status models of of uh of the planned economy or

whatever or that they were like bandy and kinesianism they weren't doing that because like they had some ethical disposition in that way. It's because that's the way every single person thought. You know, if you started talking about lazy, fair economics, people would have looked at you like you were an idiot or a crazy person. Like, how would that even have worked? You know, um, so there's that. I tend to agree to change gears back to the main, um, subject matter, because that's

kind of a tangent. I generally agree with Ernst Nolte. I think fascism, like true fascist. as it emerged in Italy it was a radical tendency it was as much a radical tendency as communism was it just didn't have the same

political orientation obviously and a lot of that was born a future shock you know but also the international situation had to do with it you know I make the point again and again one of the reasons there's the alibi of conservatives and other

midwits that oh you shouldn't be too hard on Churchill because the UK had to prevent the ascendancy of a rival power in Germany that was dead like cabinet warring and you know this kind of sensibility of oh we've

got a you know we've got we've got a we've got to strangle geostrategic rivals in utero to like preserve you know our ability to manage these captive markets and things like that died in 1914 you know by the time of the Great Depression

the superpower era was emerging you know so Japan and Europe in Germany specifically but I mean I say Europe because the axis wasn't just Germany that's a misconception that this was some German nationalist enterprise but Japan through what they called the greater Asia co-prosperity sphere in Germany slash

Europe would become superpowers and they would perish. You know, and, you know, I put it to people who invoke that sort of ethical alibi that I just involved, you know, the UK obviously lost the war and it became like a third-rate power. You know, that's now like overrun with, with aliens and is, you know, quite literally airstrip one. So, like, obviously, like, that victory was the most purec victory that's ever, that's ever been had. yeah mostly was completely correct right like we have to secure the empire we're going to lose it you know just to briefly bring up like denunzio's cult of speed right we didn't have paved roads until like 1820 macadam didn't invent the process till 18th 1820s so think about this like roman transportation in like the first century was the best roads got until the mid 18th century and

40 miles an hour was the fastest any human being went uh more than it like a second or two and live to tell about it um for for centuries and as you pointed out right like

there's was just no alternative well the two key the two key uh the two key aspects of future shock that translated that both informed and were the catalyst for and and um we're most significant um to the political situation it was uh it was the crisis of labor and it was the the military and strategic situation the emergence of of of war tech devastating war tech at scale and also what's significant is that massive warfare

scale basically never ever happens. So the 20th century, the fact that this became the reality constantly, that's completely abnormal. Those conditions happen maybe once every thousand years. And obviously, again, the Wartek that emerged in scale capacities, that was totally unprecedented. But also, I make the point to people a lot, you know, the crisis of labor and the fortunes of millions of people.

being bound up with labor imperatives people can't conceptualize that anymore that's the reason why I'm always telling people don't use the term working class there is no working class there hasn't like the last of it instructional terms went away in the early 90s

like when we say working class we don't mean people with jobs or like guys who do work we're talking about millions and millions of people doing pretty much the exact same job in factory settings they're almost all young they're almost all men their jobs are dangerous they're very very low wage um there's basically no no room for advancement um it's uh it's a totally urbanized um setting for this kind of labor that is the working class okay it's conditions that don't exist anymore really anywhere on this planet like even in place like china where there's like mass like apple factories. I mean, don't be wrong. Those people have like a really brutal lot of life. And they don't have like the right to organize or anything. And they're

very much like exploited. But that's different than what we're talking about in, you know, the early 20th century. Like that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the ideological soil, if you will, from where like communism emerges. That is the working class. If you read up in Sinclair's the jungle, which I think is a great book. You know, I know socialist like Sinclair was, but what he describes in the Chicago stockyards, that's the way that it was. You know, every day people die on the job. Like, going to your job is like going to war. And there's always men who want to work.

Like, if you age out of the ability to physically do your job, if you get injured on the job, you'll be thrown away like garbage. There's a hundred other men who want to do your job or younger, stronger, and we'll do it for half of what you do. Like, why do I need you? That's the working class. And there's an ontological aspect to it. Like people emphasize a lot the fact that these people lived in poverty, often grinding poverty, and in the cities that were dirty, dangerous. These people have been ripped out of their kind of natural patterns of living in rural or semi-rural environments,

you know, to go work there because they had to do to start. survive. But also there's an ontological aspect. Like in one of Youngers, I mean, Younger dealt with this directly and they're Arbiter.

But he, in a lot of his fiction, like the pro tags or some of the secondary characters, they're great war veterans who find themselves in factory environments. And those experiences like bleed into one another.

you know like fighting with these dangerous machines you know to like earn like a paltry wage just like being in the trenches again you know that's it's not it's not just an accident or it's not just a flex that these guys on the street in Vimar you know who fought under the communist banner

called themselves you know combat group of the working class because that wasn't verbally you know and those conditions are psychologically devastating you know like basically you're forced into conditions where it's like I've got to

I've got to do this dangerous dirty job otherwise I'll die you know and I have no recourse you know that's that's a lot of what underlay I mean that's what underlay all revolutionary imperatives you know including um

fascism I mean and Mussolini's background in like the communist movement despite what a lot of communists said and what a lot of a lot of left revisionist say today. It wasn't just like some cynical ploy like, oh, I'll start donning this kind of guise

of of national or racial pride or something. Like, mostly he believed everything he said. You know, but he, he, he wasn't putting on airs with defining the fascist movement as like a movement of like workers

and soldiers and artists. That's what it was. Kind of the, it was also responding to, it was also responding to tendencies like the action of Francie, who were very much reactionary. Like, Maras himself was like an atheist and very much kind of like a 20th century modernist.

But he believed in like the, he thought that, you know, the Roman church should have like retained like a fundamental role in French political life. He believed in like the monarchy. You thought these things were like essential to the sovereign authority

and like symbolic, psychological. of the last fix of culture. Mussolini was responding to that in large part. He's like, no, that's nonsense. We're done with that. You know, like, Mussolini kept obviously, Mussolini didn't oppose the monarchy, part of it in Italy. Part of that was tactical. A part of that was, you know,

he thought those kinds of things were important. It's a matter of, you know, like, you know, like Latin heritage and stuff, but he, the national fascist party, I agree with Ernst & Lelty, it was largely in response to that. Like, the national socially German

workers, party was like very much like a synthesis of those things you know uh not entirely consciously it was like a discursive process with um i think that's way to think about it frankly let me jump it let me jump in and ask a question here um when you look at the 19th century with the 19th century basically being a i mean you had seminaries who were seminaries who were formally reformed, adopting Darwinian models. So basically the metaphysical has gone away. How much of an effect does that have just basically, I mean, on the culture, we know what

it does, but how much of an effect does that have on the political culture, even outside of like Marxism? Yeah, it's tremendously impactful, and that's why, that's one of the, what was two things. It was that, it was, you know, the death of. of physics and things that were things like transcendent aspects of culture

but also you know people people took for granted that you know religion is dead you know even if that thing even if that kind of thing is value nobody believes in that anymore you know

human affairs are reducible to the material and the biological and that's what I'm really like a lot of racialism. Okay, I wrote a whole essay for my dear friend, Giles, who runs the asylum Meg. I wrote an essay for it that he asked me to, because people have this

idea that, oh, you know, this kind of racialism was some German obsession. That's the way everybody thought. You know, America was probably the most avidly, like, racial eugenicist country that existed then. I mean, people thought that way in England,

in Japan, in France. Like, this idea that you know, well, the reason humans behave the way they do culturally is because of your race. Like, I'm not saying, and like, race is a real thing. I'm not saying that. But it's not, you're like, your DNA or your blood, as they thought in those days, like, doesn't make you, like, act Jewish or, like, act German. Like, that doesn't make any sense. But in those days, everybody thought that way. Like, honestly, that's why these, like, internet guys, like, I mean, yeah, there's, like an ethnic component to any sectarian belief structure. obviously like Judaism is an ethnos as well as like a sectarian cultural structure. But these guys, these weirdos like bandying like, oh, Jews are a race. Like that nobody thinks that way anymore.

That's the way people thought in the 1920s. Like on both sides of the divide. Like, oh, like you're Jewish because you have this kind of, you have this kind of blood. You know, like that, you know, and if you're if you're European or Aryan or Japanese, you know, your blood makes you behave this way like that's that's not the way things are like that's darwinist nonsense you know like darwinism is nonsense i don't know people on the right can't like let that go but that's that's that's as much it's as much like an enlightenment you know kind of secular humanist uh lie is is the rest of it you know like you don't you're not um you're not

some like you're not some like meat robot like running a program like that's not what a race is you know like yeah there's a biological aspect to it but that you know but no that um that's why uh that's why people they kind of cherry pick they'll look at something like uh some guy like uh some guy like sarano sooner or um somebody like musilini or somebody like hit off hill or like said or wrote about religion they're like see like these guys hated religion it's like everybody thought that way you know and honestly like people like Hitler Mussolini, they had like a softer view. I mean, first of the economy is

wanted to literally like Merv. who were, you know, still clinging to the old ways. But, you know, the the National Souls isn't a fascist. I mean, they, such that their views

of of religiosity seem punitive. Which in the case, the latter, I don't think they did. They were. Like, look at it like the conversation like Himmler and Gottliebberger were like burgers talking about how like yeah

you need to like cultivate among our Islamic allies we need to like cultivate their like belief and like in an orthodox and Roman Catholic territories we got to like cultivate like religious belief they were doing the opposite of anything but it um

like cynical is that way of better not like the point being it wasn't even like for a lot of people it wasn't even like it was a value neutral thing like this is the way it is people don't think that way anymore you know so why would we talk about that stuff? It's irrelevant.

Go ahead, Jay. Well, I, this is all gold, but I do think that it's important for the listeners to remember that in the span of like three generations, like, um, down there was actually good at this. If you were like a poor peasant and you needed a job, you could go to the local burger,

the local, um, Ritter, the local, you know, gentlemen in pretty much any country in Europe, right, before 1914 to be like,

hey, I need a job. And he'd like, oh, well, I guess I could use another gardener, another this, another that.

And, uh, you know, between the revolution in industry and the revolution in the war, right, that killed that for a lot of, of reasons, like the entire upper crust of Britain, of France, of Germany, like they all died in the trenches, Russian, the entire aristocracy, but itself white all across Europe. And, you know,

the natural leader class just basically got slaughtered in 1914 to 1918. So the, and I was incorrect earlier. It was a it wasn't an end up to speed as Marinetti. I'm sorry. But that brutal work environment that you talked about

and you know the effectively the factory being no different than the trenches was there any like precedent for this in history that we know of? I mean like I'm I'm struggling to find

with some kind of parallel here where like the entire economic social religious um you know sociological familial paradigm just they all just shattered there is no parallel and like despite this one's making the point that like only moron say history repeats itself it absolutely does not you know like only idiots think that was consider this man um the the the ford motor plant i mean Henry Ford was a great man and in part because he humanized labor and any any he did he did he took heroic measures to elevate the cordial life of his workforce so that's that's relevant but um just in overall terms but my point

is uh the fort motor plant employed 100,000 people that that's utterly insane like literally tens of thousands of people working on one site um and uh thousand thousands and thousands of men literally doing the same job. But it's also like general strike could bring the economy to its knees, you know, because these evaluated manufacturers, you know, they, if you could, if you get a halt production on them, you know, uh, they, you, nothing, there, there was no business was being done. You know, it wasn't at all like today. And when you're talking about, um, when you're talking about a true working class, where you have, you know, people integrated with productive machines, like literally, you know, all doing the same job, they become part of that machine and they can stop that machine. And like, that's why that's also why scab labor became a thing. Because you can, if you got like a young man literally with a strong back, if he can physically handle it and endure it psychologically and physically, you can teach any strong young guy to do. do this job like that's part of that's part of what was critical to this paradigm is that we're

talking about physically very difficult but unskilled labor you know it's basically you know it's like a labor army that's why um spangler talked about how the city is a barracks because urbanization at scale that's why it doesn't make any sense anymore and like since the 70s when the federal government stopped bailing out cities um which was a huge deal under the Ford administration, Gerald Ford, like the whole demand scramble has been to like find a way to like make cities profitable because like they don't make sociological sense, you know, other, I mean, I think cities are important for sociological and historical reasons, but they exist. The reason why cities exist as we know them is as worker barracks, you know, and finding a way to make them profitable when that paradigm went away. it has been a very difficult thing, and it's ongoing. Something you said there that just triggered something right in my brain was about general strikes. And, you know, a lot of people will say, oh, the reason why you ship your, you ship your manufacturing over to China is because, you know, it's cheaper to manufacture there and ship back here than it is to manufacture here.

Yeah, you also don't have a chance. There's no chance of having a strike in a shutdown. Because it's, yeah, because it's illegal, I know, it's thrown in jail. Or you'll be shot. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Right. Well, or sabotage, right? Like, think about the average Ford plant today.

How many billions of dollars in capital is there at a Ford plant? You know, every robot's probably $25, $30,000 or more. I have no idea, right? More. Like, I worked at a machine shop as my first job. And there was these machines that literally had been made in World War II that were valued at, like, $75,000. 75 or 100,000 dollars. It's insane. Yeah, go ahead. And that was a number of years ago. So they're probably even more now, right? So you talk about an army of labor. Well, armies can go towards the other guy or they can mutiny. And so like if they, your workforce mutinies and they destroy a bunch of your stuff or sabotage any of your stuff. And it doesn't even need to be much, right? Like if if one of your lathes is like a tenth of a degree of a degree out of spec, like every.

every single part it puts out is going to be wrong. And when you have to have tolerances of thousands of an inch in order for something to work, like think about how crazy it is. I was talking to my friend Sandbatch about this. Like if anyone understood what a car is, it's a, it's a metal tube filled up with highly explosive, volatile gasoline, and you light it on fire and you go down the road at 90 miles an hour. like like that's crazy and in order for that not to like just fall apart or or break you have to you know you have to have very tight tolerances and we're not talking airplanes which are

even tighter or you know anything like that this is just cars and they have relatively loose tolerances compared to something like a airplane or let alone anything involving space so you've got these where you everything has to be up to spec No, 100%. I'll also add to talking about the labor situation and the radicalization of the laboring classes,

as well as World War I and managing conflict at scale. You know, this kind of thing, it's like trying to ride some out-of-control animal. Like this idea that every step of the way this stuff can be controlled or that there's like discrete kind of temporal snapshots whereby if you're in an executive role you can somehow put the brakes on things like that's nonsense like these things get out of control rapidly and trying to try to bring a labor revolt under control or trying to end uh they're trying to bring a conflict to you know to um to ceasefire as was the case in like 1916, 1917, that's almost impossible.

You know, like once these things start, they can't really be stopped. They have to run their course. And I mean, that was the case if you're talking about, if you're talking about, you know, some, some local lord in the 1500s. If you're talking about a national state of 80 million people, you know, involved in a war that's rapidly becoming. mechanized, you know, where 20 million men are mobilized, fighting it. It's impossible to stop it.

You know, and that's why and there's, and the leadership element was uniquely ill-suited to do that. You know, I mean, the point again, again, is the reason why Hitler actually personally hated very few people.

I mean, he wouldn't have gotten very far as, and he certainly wouldn't have become the most single powerful man in the world, if he sat around hating people he hated the Kaiser Wilhelm and many many veterans did as they should have because he was a piece of

shit and Holveg was the real Holveig and Franz Joseph and the Hasbury Empire were like the real heroes the central powers in my opinion but and both of them understood that if this war begins we won't be able to stop it

you know I mean while the Kaiser was carrying on and with he was like some kind of money python character or something just like oblivious to these things I mean as were like a lot of his counterparts to be fair across the continent but you know

the German Empire was a mixed system it was you know the Bismarckian system there was a genuine separation between state and government but at the end of the day I mean the Kaiser an ultimate war authority you know I mean people the general staff

um the the rikes consular you know these these guys had a lot of power and they had independent power to negotiate within reason but i mean it was in the hands of the kaiser and like if you got some if you got guys you know guys who were born in the mid 19th century who've been kind of cloistered within palace walls like both physically and conceptually and a a modern mechanized war is in their hands like that that's that's that's that's that's a nightmare. You know, I mean, so that's part of it. Yeah, well,

I got, you were talking, Hitler was born in 18, 1889. And Mussolini was 1883, I believe, right? So they were young men when, like, the world had changed in a crazy fashion, but all the guys

you'd mentioned, you know, the Kaiser was born in what, 1853, I want to say, I can't remember. But, you know, like the 1850, like, he, was an old man by 1914 and he was a literal prince right so he's in this um he's never had to work in industrial even the kings of france who you know quote unquote worked for a little they were they were taught a trade as part of their raginal duties right they were they were never taught like okay be careful don't stick your finger in this or lose an arm like that was never

a thing that any of these people ever had to deal with i think franz joseph was an exception and to be he was he was probably elderly by the onset of hostilities but he'd bronze Joseph uh he'd regularly fast he slept on a military cot he like would forego luxury he was a career soldier like even when he was out of active service like he'd still like we're a uniform every day like he he didn't like having to put out like regal finery but yeah go ahead generally yeah that's he was the exception that proves the rule yeah well he's he's uh there are people who want to canonize him, no one of Catholics, particularly who want to canonize him because he was just such a, he tried so hard to stop this on, you know, and you, as you mentioned, like, it had a momentum all its own where like, like, no one could stop it, you know, like, perhaps in 1913, like, of all the cousins had met and been like, this is insane. Like, if, if they'd gotten together and perhaps done a demonstration, like, this is what a modern machine gun can do and like had a bunch of cow was in the field or something. And what's, that's critical to. Like, after, after, after water. Waterloo, there wasn't a real European war.

Like, there was the, there's the Franco-Prussian war, which was like, a, which was, like, an incredible victory. I mean, I said it would put the Prussians on the map. And there was, there was the Crimea, but the Crimea was, like, very much restricted to localized theaters. But there, you know, there wasn't a real, like, modern war. There was guys, and the guys who'd served as mercenaries and the war between the states and a America, like some of them tried to sound the alarm, I was like, look, like, this is going to be a slaughter. But, yeah, they, people had no idea what, like, modern war tech was like, because it

had been a century since most people have been exposed to that kind of thing. And everything changed so much, too. I mean, yeah, well, that's one of the things I wanted to bring up is you go for, you go from the, the Franco-Prussian war to World War one, which is less than 50 years. And World War I, you have planes that are flying around and they're dropping. manually dropping bombs out of them. And then just less than 20 years later, the Condor Legion is frigging cities on fire in Spain. I mean, how do you not, how does humanity and people who are of a high culture thinking,

people who are looking towards the eternal and looking towards doing great things, how are they not all over the place in trying to figure out an ideology when you in 20 years you go from oh here i'm dropping a bomb out of a plane with my hand to i just let guernick on fire yeah no and things like and things like things like chemical warfare i mean it's not just like poison gas is disgusting and it's it's just like awful to contemplate that's that's a terrible way to die but this idea that you know i can I can fire poison at you, like, well outside a visual range through, like, indirect fire, you know, and within seconds, you'll be, like, your lungs will tread to pieces and you'll die, like, choking on those pieces, or, you know, like, you'll scratch your, you'll scratch your most sensitive areas of your body, bloody, because, like, a blistering agent is, is, is, is, is, like, tearing your stuff. skin apart you know like that kind of stuff it's like something out of like science fiction that'd be like if guys went to war tomorrow and like the Ivans or like the Cuthys

had like found a way to like launch like Xenomorce at you that like grab your face and then like pop out of your chest like I mean it's being obtuse but that's like what it would be like but people are just like what the fuck you know like I that I mean not like people I mean people are habituated to violence

unfortunately very much in those days of a non-cool like noble sword, but stuff like that is just like the horrors of technology kind of shit, I guess is my point. Like the largest the Grand Army got was like 600,000 people and that was only very briefly, right?

And then like World War I, that's not even I mean, that's like casualties for a couple months. You know? Yeah, the burn rate is was unbelievable. And what's also to

some of the exigencies that emerge in game theory and like reached their zenith you know by the final cycle of the Cold War where there's conditions of strategic parity and planning for nuclear war fighting you know you're

like you as commander of a or as part of the command element of strategic nuclear forces you're charged with identifying potential war indicators like before the enemies even started to act arguably before even understands that

conditions are moving towards war and then you know you've got to be able to read those indicators and decide whether to like preemptively assault or not like stuff like that was though those kinds of variables were already emergent in 1914

and that's why I believe I agree with AJP Taylor when the Russian Empire when the czar gave the order to mobilize, Russia had a two-phase mobilization paradigm. And once it was implemented,

even if the czar or I don't know if the Russian imperial army had a general staff or not, whatever their command element was, even if he or them had put the brakes on mobilization, you know, if the German Empire and the Haftsburg Empire hadn't assaulted, they would have been dead.

because they were like rolled the dice and been like okay will will not mobilize in kind you know taking like the czar it like his word but it's like if this is a war ruse like we're dead you know because you don't have force even if you have forces in being and even if you have like a properly trained um an outfitted like reserve system of like able-bodied men they're not like sitting around mobilized you know so essentially um it's the equivalent of like deloping metaphorically speaking like while you're dueling opponent like has his weapon trained on you you know so this head i'm sure people listening are going to think i'm i'm being punitive and mean to the russians i'm not there's not like a moral component here i'm saying like in causal terms when when the czar gave the order to mobilize forces, the die was cast. They couldn't be stopped anymore. When a Hallwig approached the French at the 11th hour and begged them to stand down,

if they had done that, I think that that would have stayed the hand of the Russians because then they would have been fighting both the German Empire and the Habsburgs on like a single front, whereby like the bulk of both forces could be thrown at the czar's army but that's that's a bit abstract but um yeah that that's important to consider man and um it play it also relates to like i said like like situational awareness particularly as regards uh the window of decision temporally you know as to responding to uh world market conditions, there's a parallel, not just a similar, not in terms of similarity, like structural similarity, but there's a parallel in terms of causality, you know, between military and

geopolitical crises and economic events at scale, you know, and this is, these are the things that really created kind of like the late modern state you know like the managerial state if you will as James Burnham called it you know like in some ways we're very

fortunate man like I don't want to pontificate or derail the conversation but I especially if you're old enough to remember the Cold War I mean I was like a little kid and like a very young teen when the Cold War was going on but it was just something you lived with

people these days are like are compared to even 40 years ago or like unbelievably safe that's why it's bizarre they act like a bunch of hysterical old women all the time are scared of everything it's like what the fuck you talking about like compared to somebody 100 or 50 or 40 years ago you're like unbelievably safe but yeah I didn't mean well it's like but it's also like you say Thomas the US military is designed just to fight the cold war so is our political so is our political thought. That's what we're taught. We're just, I mean, our philosophy now is we're just continually fighting the Cold War. Everyone's an enemy. Everyone's out to get us. And then it's just come home. And now it's, we're fighting the Cold War on our home, on our, on the home front.

Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. And you'd think that, um, like again, I, you know, I'm the first to admit, or first to emphatically state that history doesn't repeat itself. But when you're talking about but I mean human activity is basically like a closed loop you know like there's like limited numbers of like outcomes you know and there's like there's like there's not like infinite variables of like human behavior okay so there's like parallels so if you're trying to you're trying to like identify um if you're trying to like identify potential courses of action like in any given like emergent scenario of a political nature um you know you you do go to the historical

record like trying to find parallels i mean like obviously particularly on things related to like military questions the um it's really unprecedented for that that level like kind of structural sinility the way like america is it's like it's like total inability to like adapt after november 9th 1989 like bush and baker were adapting which is it's fascinating how like the deep state totally and completely sabotaged like their vision moving forward of globalism like i'm not saying you got to think like Bush was like a like Bush 41 was like a good guy or something

but um but he did deserve like no surprise what's that his management at the end of the Cold War how no one got nuked is I mean like it's it's really truly yeah it's a remarkable diplomatic achievement I'm just a yeah the Gulf War coalition that was uh the Prussians would envy that like in terms like how the war was executed but the way he he corralled literally uh

you know, the the Syrians, the Saudis. He had the Soviet Union, which was in its final days then, like sign off on the operation. You know, like, he had, like, he had a literal, like, army of the nations, like,

arrayed against Saddam. That's completely insane. Like, I, the guy was, like, a historical giant of a U.S. president in post-war terms. Like, even if you don't like him, like some guy did their day on the internet was like,

yeah, Bush 41 was, he was, what a gray man, idiot. I'm like, what the fuck you talk. talking about like that that's so like delusional but um but no but the the total inability of the deep state to manage like the post cold war environment and it shows you like how like the rot was deep like even people's idea that like the reagan uh era was like really based and the government related shit together and don't get me wrong that cadre that that filled out the bush 41 administration like James Baker

Casper Weinberger, Lawrence Eagleburger, like a bunch of these guys. Like those guys were like very serious guys, especially Baker. Baker's somebody I really admire, okay? But the wider kind of national security apparatus was a bunch of goofs

and idiots. You know, like, I mean, people who just couldn't handle, you know, the, the changing of the guard figuratively and literally and and they didn't want the cold war to end because like they they were there was uh it was it was like basically like a con to them it was just like a way of like you know being able to yeah kind of live off the public coffers and and profit by the ongoing threat of uh of a donne rumsfeld and dick cheney just yeah guys like that exactly they just

treated the entire thing like this existential struggle and i'm i'm just old enough to remember um like the cold war when it was serious and i grew up next to you know a military base in the west coast and so there were times when i was a kid where like you know the f-16s would come screaming you know off their off their base and like you know you knew some sure you was going down or or something like when i was in elementary school um we'd still we'd have they called them by then emergency drills like euphemistically you know like we'd We'd have to go to, like, the bell would ring, like, three times over and over again. And we'd have to, like, go single file to the lower level.

And then you'd, like, where, like, it was structured, the reasoning being, like, it was structurally more robust, I guess. And, like, every classroom had, like, a number that was posted where, like, you'd have to, and, like, that's where you'd, like, assemble. And then, like, you'd get down on your hands and knees, and you'd duck and cover and, like, put your head like against the wall and we have to hold the position for 30 seconds it was oh this is the emergency drill yeah well the only emergency you do that in is nuclear war okay

and um so this uh I felt like slapping people I mean even not just not not just I mean I give kids a pass like young people I mean people fuckers like my age and older like when the COVID thing was like we've never faced a threat like this I'm like what the fuck are you talking about are you insane

you know like I I I and every other kid in America grew up with the reality you might become countervalue attrition you know I mean like it was the seasonal flu was like an existential menace unlike anything really

like it's but that's that's a aggression well it is I think a good illustration of just how fundamentally unsurious um our our elite have become right like I've talked about this on peach show before and everyone should check out like it's here's

Dr. Johnson on 200 years together. But like, fundamentally this whole Ukraine thing is just because like a bunch of American neocons are still salty about the Hamannitsky program from 1648. I mean, that's why the war in Ukraine is a thing, right?

I mean, the tribe absolutely hates Russia. Like the degree to which they hate Russia like can't be overstated. Like just anecdotally, um, I kind of like Ralph Baxi, even though he's like a huge,

can do. Like, you know, the animator. He made this really interesting movie called American Pop, and I really like that movie. And it's basically about this family. It follows these four generations of these guys. Like, one of them's like this vaudeville performer. Like, one of them's just like piano prodigy.

He gets killed in World War II. One of them's like this songwriter. He's kind of like a cross between like Lou Reed and D.D. Ramon, who becomes like this huge heroin addict. And his son then becomes just like this huge rock star. you know, like in the 1980s.

It's a cool movie, but it opens up where the Cossacks are, like, programming, like, the Russian Jews. Because, like, even Baxi, he was, like, this, like, New York City guy. He's like, oh, you know, the Russians are, like, those anti-Semitic bastards. Like, that's, that's literally, like,

their number one enemy. They fucking hate the Russians. Well, I mean, to be fair, the Russians have no love for them. But the Ukraine war is complicated. It's, in large measure, it was returning the serve for the Russians and Assad's forces levying a huge defeat against IDF and

their and their tech theory proxies in Syria. Yeah, but I mean, so, yeah, like anybody, anybody doesn't understand the dynamic between Russians and the Jews as a people. Like, it's not in the game. Right, but, but we're, you know, we're dealing with, right? Both, both world wars start over, like, border disputes in Eastern Europe. that heavily involved Jews, right?

And we're supposed to just sit here and be like, this is fine and get more involved in like, wait a minute. Didn't World War one start over a border dispute with Slavs and? Well, just this idea, too. I mean, it's just like the monumental ignorance. Like I made the point of people before, you know, like the American left, like guys like Peter Arnett and the like and media especially. I mean, I thought those guys were terrible people, but there was, like, a consistency to them. And, you know, they, there, there, there was an internal logic to, like, their perspective. Like, the American left now, like, they want to, like, they, they're basic at shoeleading section for, uh, for, like, the warfare state.

Like, it's bizarre. These people are totally illiterate. You know, like, uh, like if the, uh, if, um, if, um, You know, it's like that scene in the movie Caligula, which is probably apocryphal, where it's like Caligula, he, he orders the Roman Allegiance to, like, assault the sea to, like, conquer, like, Poseidon's kingdom. Or, like, Neptune, I guess, his kingdom. Okay, like, if Joe Biden had, like, ordered, like, the U.S. Marines would attack the Atlantic Ocean, like, these faggots would have been, like, yeah, we hate the Atlantic Ocean. They're, like, racist and stuff. Like, they're literally retarded. You know, like, they, they, they couldn't find Ukraine on a map, but they, you know, it's like, if you're going to pretend to, like, care about some other country, Ukraine is literally, it's, it's a failed state in order of Somalia, like, run by a literal, like, homicidal criminal mafia. It's, like, sitting around saying you love, like, Edia means Uganda. Like, you know, it's like, you really, you love Ukraine. Like, you think, like, the Zelensky mafia is awesome. And it's, like, your idea of, like, a good government that needs to be defended. Like, it's, you can't, you can't, you can't make this. shit off. These people are, they're literally insane and they're literally retarded. And, I mean, of course you're right, but this, um, this notion that, like, individual rights or that a, a society where your, like, weird devotion to transsexualism as a religious value,

um absolute personal autonomy to the point of of you know like shedding male and female um and you know total um liberation from any kind of that that's possible in any kind of society that actually functions right you know these people will talk about like well you're a gender fascist what because i think boys are boys and girls are girls like if if egalitarian ralzy and liberalism leads you to the point where you think like cross-dressing is a major political

issue as opposed to like a very weird very niche fetish that should be you know put in the closet yeah that's why you're like people I make that point of people all the time it's like don't it's like what the fuck you're doing like arguing with like sexual paraphernaliax it's like personally people are insane and those of them that aren't insane

it's like they're they're basically like they're a making fun of you and there B like running out because sabotage you don't like engage people who like say crazy things that's like arguing with some hobo on the subway with like shit in his pants you know like you don't

it's like I'm not going to argue with these fucking people you know like not just because I don't argue with my people's enemies but it's like yeah it's like you just said it's like if if what you believe is politics is like talking about like parat sexual parapherias like I like I you know traditionally like the remedy to that would would be to have you shot but

right and with good reason I like and this is this is why this is why like you've seen yeah I'm not going to advocate murdering people but I'm also not going to argue with them pretend like they have some position that deserves being heard yeah I'm sorry I'm just enough younger than you, I think that, like, everyone, like, I'm in my mid-40s, so everyone younger than me, like, has no coherent memory of, like, a coherent society and why they're constantly talking about fascism and why the resurgence in interest today. And I think one of the great services you provide Thomas and I, kudos and plaudits for this, you know, in the dark years, in the 70s, 80s and 90s, when all, the men who'd actually been there were dying of old age um and there were a few people like yourself mark weber a couple others who kept the light alive um it around 20 13 or so it was the 2012 election where you know you had like literally movie star handsome like graying temples mitt romney right like you know he's like central casting republican no yeah he had great here

yeah you know like that's about it you know like you know Just got all you head, but yeah. Right, but, you know, conservatism, like, they saw that, like, it had failed. Like, like, we lost to Obama again, you know, like this guy, obvious lightweight, probably a homosexual, like. Well, it's just like an empty suit. Yeah, just an empty suit. And, you know, the 08 crisis, he'd done nothing about, you know, done nothing with that. And just, it was a tool of the banks.

And it was just, it was like this random. guy. Like, it didn't, his candidacy didn't make any sense. It's like, if you were going to, like, if you're going to take, I'm dating myself with this reference, but people remember J.C. Watts, he was this, he was a Canadian football league jock, and he was kind of the Republican's token, like, black guy. He was this kind of like slick black dude who always, like, wore really nice suits. And he came up as kind of corny, you know, because he's basically like, oh, I'm J.C.

Watts. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like handsome in like Hollywood terms, like polite black men. It's like, okay, if you're going to draft a guy like that. and like make him and like install him as president like okay get it or if you're going to draft some like spanish guy is like you know this is like mr immigrant like spanish guy who like bootstrap himself into success and like basically make his candidacy like a reality tv show however fake that was it's like okay get that it's like it's like here's this random guy who's like from hawaii you know we're going to pretend these from chicago and then we're going to pretend he's black

Like the whole thing was like very And the and random and weird Straight and pretend he's Right like all but it may But it's like why it's like why you're gonna pretend he's black Like why if you're gonna like Especially in Chicago Yeah

It's like either draft an actual black guy Or make the narrative He's just like citizen of the world colored person Like why they made no fucking sense And that's also why the guy is like totally forgotten now Because I had no context You know like it's yeah Oh, he has CIA connections.

That's why he ended up. But anyway, the thing to think about, right, is, and this is where I came in. I came into the movement about 20 years ago after the failure of the Ron Paul revolution. And, you know, you really only are given these three alternatives, right? How do you deal with this mass society where millions of people are, you know, turning. wrenches in a car factory or millions of people are, you know, driving to and from work every day. Millions of people are, you know, logging into a computer. Millions of people are doing all these things. And, you know, the coherent alternatives are, like, capitalism as we know it,

which is, which has failed people my age and younger, like spectacularly. They can't afford houses. They can't, they can't get married. They can't save. They can't, they can't afford to live anywhere safe. They have to live in vans. Like, you know, that was a joke when we were a kid, you know, Chris Farley. And then you live in a van again. Right. Yeah. Well, now that's like, that's like, aspirational. Like, oh, you live in a really nice van down by the river. You know, like, wait a second. Like, when I was a kid, this was like not a good thing. And now, like, it's all the, you know, younger, like, older zoomers and younger, but litters can afford. And so it's been going on for a minute. Um, I mean, obviously right. When I was, uh, when I was home was

I mean, like much of that was like my own fault. I'm not saying that like conditions like macroeconomic conditions made me homeless. But I'd meet like other homeless people and a lot of them were yeah, they were like young guys and girls where they couldn't, they literally couldn't afford rent or whatever or like certainly not a mortgage. And they had like fucked up parents who basically threw them out or were like or were like shitheads who like wouldn't let them stay with them while they got on their feet. It was like eye opening. I'm like, wow, that's terrible. But I'm going to raise up in a minute. I don't want to be a broth, but I figure I've been going for an hour,

and I'm still kind of not feeling great. We can take this up again sometime in the next few days or like in a week if you guys want to make this an ongoing thing. I think it's been really great, but I just, and I'm happy to hear to listen to you talk anytime, but I think it's important for the listener to realize, you know, there's a reason like hardcore Bolsheviks after the 2008 crisis, like did the Occupac Wall Street thing and then it failed because they were obsession with like DEI stuff

and why the resurgence of influence or interest in, um, in, you know, fascist alternatives. Why, why there's a bunch of guys who were 30 years old and who Stan Hitler is because you've seen the same kind of conditions that, you know, created the revolution in the first place. in Weimar, like, you know, there's hyperinflation in trannies and like Jews are in charge and like, no, I think young people are awesome, like not just because, I mean, young people are the future. I mean, that's who we should be focused on anyway, but young guys and girls generally have their shit together. That's why like, I don't like when people trashed Zoomers because I mean, that's stupid anyway and like a shitty way to be. But, um, zoomers have a lot of, they got a lot

of uh dynamic energy and and even like a lot of the zoomers on the left like i was talking to some of these kids um that i i ran across at the at the dnc protest and like other places and like a lot of them uh they're kind of naive in in terms of their uh utopian concepts but a lot of them are kind of they read guys like Emmanuel Wallerstein and they read uh like they read serious left bling stuff and they realize that they realize that like pro regime perverts like are

pieces of shit and like they're their enemy yeah I'm not thinking it's great of kids read Marx and Lenin but at least that's serious stuff it's not it's not it's not like regime pornography and like boozy fucking garbage no that's true and I was

talking with a friend today like the most depressed people in the world right now and for probably the last 50 years at least have been like indigenous Christians in Israel, you know, in West Bank and Gaza. Oh yeah, Palestine. Yeah. And like to give those guys on the left at least credit, they're at least serious about like these people are oppressed and they're being murdered by the thousands by this regime.

They might call a fascist. And there's some truth that because Jabotinsky was a fascist, right? the locoup out of the locut party like it's basically just stole mousselini's notes and so we know it works lecudism is like it's like a pastiche of of of uh of all kinds of things that don't really make sense

in in the context that's implemented but yeah if um no there's uh these are these are amazing times and and things are incredibly uh I'm incredibly optimistic and anybody who's not doesn't anybody who's not said they're like addicted to their own

addicted to like the stink of their own failure and misery or they're just like not engaged with you know what's what's happening around them but no I appreciate you guys yeah I'll help us I'll help us close out here I think just a lot

of people too are their whole stick is nothing's going to ever get better and that's and they're just selling it and they're monetizing that so all right let me let you guys let me let you guys get out of here Thomas do plugs and then

D you can promote whatever you want Yeah the best place to find me is on my Substack That's where all kinds of good stuff happens It's a real Thomas 7777 that's Substack.com

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a couple bucks. If you can spare it helps a lot. So thank you. All right. Thanks a lot, guys. Have a good night. I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekignano show. So the interesting thing about this episode is this episode is a year length. We had this episode planned for July 13th of last year, and then something really weird happened in Pennsylvania, Butler, Pennsylvania, and we ended up talking about that. And, well, what better time than on the year anniversary to revisit the subject of the infrastructure of the NSDAP and Germany of 1930. of the 1930s and um yeah especially as our infrastructure is crumbling around us so um thomas how are you doing today yeah i'm doing pretty well man thanks for including me cool de how are you i'm great man it's always a pleasure to be on with you and always a pleasure to be on with thomas

i've learned with so much to you guys man the college classes every single one of your guys a series or a series of college lectures it really is fantastic that's a great man thank you d this is this is your subject man this was your idea i'm i'm just going to interject to ask questions why don't you take off and uh and go where you want to go all right well i'll try to try to keep the autism to a minimum here but um just as a a brief aside i'll give you a brief sketch um the road network in europe wasn't as good as it was in the time of the five good emperors again until like the late 19th century and macadam invented his macadamization asphalt paving process and I want to say like 1830 so imagine like a road network

where nothing is paved or hardly anything is paved and only like cities might have cobblestones and maybe maybe maybe like major highways between say like rome and austia might be paved but that's not normal now i mean like you can get like lightly laid in cards and stuff you know to and from places but really like in order to keep the road from turning into like a mud bog you got to pave it to keep the water off and And the most efficient way to transport anything is, of course, via water, which is why Germany is richer than Italy, because Italy has one real river valley, the pole in the north, and it outflows into Venice, which is, you know, a decent port only because of the heroic efforts of the Venetians themselves, right? it's normally very swampy and not a difficult um or a very difficult place to make a living only the heroic efforts of the venetians have made it someplace uh prosperous and livable and you know

France has got six huge river valleys basically uh nowhere in the UK or nowhere in England itself is more than 25 miles from water from from like a port that'll get to get to water so that's why those two countries were the in germany were the most prosperous countries in europe you know sprain spain only has the ebro so in a world where like heavy transport has to be done via water basically because the roads aren't up to it like how do you develop internally right in germany had only been united since what 1871 was that i want to say 79 right okay 1879 so like like four years after uncle is born is you know like you know is is or four years before right like this is not i haven't born 1889 all right i'm sorry i was thinking musilini right

so oh okay yeah so you know muslinni's born in in 1883 right he's only 13 years before is when italy was was was again a whole political entity and um you know hitler was only like 10 years before Hitler was born is when Germany became a whole whole nation again. So you have these what had been, you know, how do you integrate like the kingdom of the two Sicily's road network into the papal state's road network, into the city of states and the north road network, you know, do you have the same standards in Bavaria and pomerania how does that work so you've got this huge coordination problem that takes forever to figure out and uh at least in the holy roman empire a big part of what made like little barony's economically

viable was their traditional right to tax so you'd have these locks all along this river network in germany where you know this baron of this one little spot would charge a toll there's of this massive increase in internal costs, you know, just shipping something down the Rhine. There'd be a stop here and a stop here and a stop here. So improving the transportation network and essentially internal free trade, right? Like what List says, right? Internally free trade and development allows you to greatly decrease your transportation costs, your friction, right? And allows you to ship things over land between rail, which is

uh 10 times more efficient than roads um that's why the 19th century was a century of just railroad mania right uh the united states germany france the uk all over the place rail was the name of the game but that rail network that build out of the rail network allowed you to build out the road network because your transportation costs for things like, I don't know, gravel, all of a sudden drop by 50, 60, 70, 80 percent when you can throw it on a train. And just as a quick aside, you know, one of the things that the British wanted to do, when they, for all practical purposes, won the scramble for Africa, they wanted to build

a railroad that started in North Africa and ended at the Cape. So basically, like, they wanted to have, like, a trans-Siberian railroad that, like, spanned Africa, which is totally insane. But it would have been, it probably would have been viable, man, if they could have held it, you know. And if they hadn't detonated their own fortunes, yeah, go ahead, I'm sorry. Well, and that's actually part of the, you bring it up, but, like, there was a conflict with the Portuguese because the Portuguese had. Angola, yeah. Angola and Mozambique, right? And they wanted a trans-African railway to control their, their holdings on the eastern

west coast, and the British one of theirs going north-south, and they almost got it. I mean, I can't remember if they actually finished the African railroad or not, but. Yeah, that was, Cecil Road's big, that was his big ambition, you know, and in some ways, roads, roads kind of reminds me a blackjack person in that. some ways. I mean, I think, I mean, obviously, Rhodes is more, roads of a certain type. He was one of these, he was one of these kinds of imperialist characters that came up through the crown charter system of wealth management and adventurism. I mean, Pershing was very much, you know, like kind of a logistics and engineering genius and a very effective combat

commander but yeah these guys are really extraordinary in terms of their in terms of um their intellect but and that that leads us to i i if he hadn't had died in an untimely fashion um i don't know what your personal opinion of fritz taut is thomas but i i am a a massive admirer of tot personally um dr to he and he and he and When Helmar Shocked, Helmar Shocked is a reason why the UK delegation to the International Military Tribunal basically intervened and said, you're going to cut this man loose because we need him. Toad was much more a patriot than Shocked was, but Toad and Helmar shocked were responsible for the

the economy of the German Reich becoming what it was in terms of such that centrally planned efforts I mean all banking systems are going to be somewhat centralized okay I mean like that

that's not an ethical question it's just the reality but yeah I think they're they're both personages who are essential understanding the economics of the German Reich and they were both

towering and elects in different aspects of macroeconomic praxis definitely so for those of you who don't know Dr. Fritz Tot was the head of organization tot which was the and please Thomas correct my pronunciation

because I'm terrible this sort of thing and he was succeeded by Albert Speer who was the guy who designed the Volkshall but ultimately turned to Trader and after the war and I have a low opinion to that. Anyway, Dr. Tote goes to, you know,

Technical University of Munich and gets a Ph.D. in civil engineering on, on effectively paving roads. And he is the one who's responsible for the Audubon, for the Atlantic Wall, for honestly most of, you know, the Third Reichs construction projects. He was the Inspector General for Water and Energy, the Reich Minister for Armaments, munitions.

I mean, yeah, that was the key. That's what, I mean, the key really played was as, as armaments minister, you know, in terms of the war effort and, and some of these projects that were essential to national defense. To be clear with the Autobahn, too, with this kind of mass highway system, I raised Pershing because, you know, Pershing was, Eisenhower was a disciple of Pershing, and that's basically where he inherited the idea for what became the interstate system. And like a mass highway system, among other things, on a continent-sized scale, you needed to be able to deploy forces in being an event of general war.

And that was one of the reasons for the, you know, the Eisenhower expressway system, you know, is that you can deploy east and west rapidly. And the Autobahn, obviously, when a Reich's commissariat, Moskhoven, was realized, you know, had the Soviet Union been defeated and assimilated into the Greater German Reich. you know the um the the the the audubon was going to go from spain to the earls you know um probably so even by call really i mean why not why not let of us talk no i think it's no go ahead it's important to to realize that like the the u.s. interstate system is directly Eisenhower got to europe got to germany and was like wow these roads are fantastic and basically just stole the plans and um the the early the early days of world war one with all the mobilizations and all the difficulties and the logistical problems right

of of feeding people were so ingrained in the german people that they just didn't want that sort of thing to happen again and by building this network of really good highways you could distribute the food you know if if one section's bombed out you can rebuild that and have and route the food around so the problem with with rail is it's way more efficient in terms of how much energies needed to move you know a ton of stuff from point A to point B but you mess that one switching yard or that one track up and you know the line is

cut whereas a road network is more yeah compatibility too of the rail gauge and stuff causes issues I just wanted to it seem real quick too I've got almost nothing nice to say about Spear but some of his design

concepts I think were pretty brilliant and one of the things he insisted upon and that the fear very much approved of. Locally, Spears said that, you know, we need to source materials locally as much as possible in building the Autobahn. You know, so, and we need to incorporate natural features into things like bridges.

So, you know, like in a section of the Autobahn that, you know, like stretches through the Rhineland or whatever is, you know, going to reflect the natural environment there. and like a local ecology, you know, like ditto for, you know, um, East Prussia and what have you. And, um, a lot of these, this had really great optics, you know, and, um, that, they can't really, as an imperative, uh,

priority to the German Reich at, you know, the highest levels that can't be overstated. I mean, Hitler was an artist. That's one of the things he had in common was. I mean, you know, Hitler's primary interest was architecture and things. You know, and Speer obviously was kind of a pure architect. I mean, he had, he had capitolate he had capabilities, you know, that were remarkable. As an architect, he was a genius.

Yeah, yeah. As a political soldier, he left a fair bit wanting. But he was a cynic. I mean, I think he, Spear is the kind of guy who, you know, he, um, he, he, he, he, he finds a way to insinuate himself around powerful men and impress them and he doesn't care about the politics and he will do an about face as soon as it becomes expedient to do so you know which yeah which he did yeah so um so dr taut right he dies in a plane crash um he himself won the the iron cross under the german empire

in the first world war so um but the internal road network of germany i mean they're still using the same audubon that fritztaught built in like 1938 right and and not only was it a massive internal improvement project but it's one of the ways that you know that the Reich was able to, um, to kill unemployment in the Reich was just, they didn't have trucks. You know, I mean, the SS was invading Germany, or not invading Germany, invading Russia with mules and stuff because they didn't have enough trucks. Well, because they didn't have the earth moving equipment, because they didn't have, uh, enough trucks. A lot of this construction got done by hand right and you had large gangs of laborers that were relatively low-skilled

but they get told like dig this out till it you know this this slope matches here and you could you could have lots of guys using picks and shovels and stuff and you can build this road network internally that enabled you know the germans to shift entire divisions from east to west relatively quickly and in terms of building the German economy

right if your if your shipping costs go down by I saw something by the time they were done taking something from the port at Hamburg to Munich the cost had dropped by like something like

25% I want to say but that could just be so that's tickling the back of my brain but if you're if your costs going from Hamburg to me go that far down right that's obviously a massive um just go to the internal economy right there's going to be more jobs um once you if you're no longer working on like the toot gang right or you maybe you take those construction skills you learned building the building the roads two other projects which is how they end up with

the Atlantic Wall and you know like the Channel Islands forts and all of these other internal the Sycfried line yeah yeah the sick free line right like much later yeah but but right you have all these experienced

personnel and you know before the call we were talking right the notion that like um oh you know it's socialism they're using the government to to build all these projects does anybody really think that like a becktel or a conoco phillips or a gm or really a private company well it's also the whole point i mean the reason why the reason why the one thing um that uh the warsaw pact excelled at was military hard way

where you know and things like space-faring vehicles is because obviously like the spontaneous ordering of the price mechanism isn't essential to like building a good tank and you don't require I mean I don't even know what those inputs would be like we're going to you know we're going to we're going to accept bids on who can like build the best auto bond and then we're going to take a hands off approach however they want to devise it I mean like I yeah that does. doesn't make any sense and um all uh all capitalism and the industrial era is state capitalism so yeah it's it's another here or there to suggest that there's this like public private distinction we're talking about fixed capital definitely i think that as you built or you're completely correct there is no such thing as like particularly things like roe or canals or anything like that right like the notion that like oh this is a private enterprise like no it's not it's not it's one of those things that the libertarians get completely completely wrong the free market is going to build you know this this highway system something you talked about

earlier thomas is is the aesthetics right um i have a quote from from hitler somewhere from i think it's from uh the book hitler's engineers but uh he said You know, our roads have to be beautiful. And as they reflect us as a people. And I'm paraphrasing here. The, the Autobahn as envisioned by Hitler and Tote reflects that German artistic soul

that's very ordered, but also has this kind of longing for beautiful things. Yeah, that spontaneous harmony. Yeah, yeah. But the interstate highway system in America, particularly as you get west of the Mississippi, is the most brutal utilitarian, like, just like massive project you've ever seen in your life, right? Yeah, Route 94 through Shaitown is not beautiful. Right. Well, and the reason it's not, right, is because the Reich was using mostly hand labor and what, what Lentris has.

explosives they did have had to be saved either for wartime or for something where um like you're blowing a hole a tunnel or something right or for clearing canal so they just didn't have the you know the massive amount of explosive and the personnel to use it just willy-nilly the way they're really fanciated me there's this book called hitler and the power of aesthetics by this guy named frederick spas and um Speer designed and built a lot of these projects with an eye for what was called ruin value. And that's why the Germans had certain ideas about, you know, discrete building materials like feral concrete. Because the ethos was, we've got to think about 3,000 years from now.

you know we've got we we we've got to have uh our great works leave ruins you know like um that of the valley the kings in cairo or um like the parthenon or like the coliseum you know uh this is a deliberately historical enterprise that spans millennia you know um and that's that underlies you know very much like the ethos of the rike and i find that very compelling yeah it it does And just to give you an idea of why that's actually better to, to elaborate here for a second. So the United States after 1947, right, has effectively what is unlimited manpower, unlimited expertise, unlimited resources. And so they build out the federal highway system. And they just make it straight because that's the most efficient. And if there's a little hill in the way,

they'll just throw a bunch of dynamite they've got a bunch of guys who did demo in the war they can absolutely you know just just blast so you'll have you know sections of of road in the united states that are five 10 15 20 miles long just in a straight line and as you're driving across like north dakota jail listener no offense intended to any of our listeners in north dakota it gets really hard to pay attention when you're like just going 20 miles straight right even even it emails like tailored for highway hypnosis exactly right so because the germans didn't have all that access to easy blasting they had to we had to roads have to follow the the path that is most flat relatively speaking

and so if you've got to go like and make a slight curve to the left or you know gently kind of rise and follow the terrain a little bit more that's actually makes a better drive you don't you don't do things like fall asleep the way you can like you know if you're driving from i90 from like chytown to you know Seattle right there's places where you're just going to fall asleep because there's nothing we realize too like if you like automobiles and you know I always, I mean, I don't drive these days, but, you know, I was really like, I was really like driving and cars and stuff when I was young, you know, like driving them and working on them and the, you know, the, all these Carol Shelby designs, you know, that were grand touring designated vehicles, you know, like a touring vehicle, I realized like Ford and all kinds of other American companies took on that designation, but it doesn't make any sense in America. Maybe it doesn't like redwood country somewhat, but, you know, driving, driving a Porsche, like, around these, like, winding roads through Bavaria or like through the elves you know it's a totally different experience right yeah i would like the only places in america where like a gt type car makes

sense is like on the pacific coast highway or something like yeah and i've been yeah and i've driven um not just 101 but i've driven these mountain roads through like Oregon you know which are like incredible so then so don't be wrong like america they've been at the wheel of a you know like a like a comfortable um um like big block you know catac or something um oh it's uh it's uh yeah it's dope but uh it um but it's not at all the same thing as you know the european experience and even um there's uh this footage like over salzburg you know eagles nest and stuff you know like that's a perfect example and um there's uh there's footage of uh uh what amounts to

you know they kind of work what became kind of the war console um but broushich had been sacked but this just had to be like at the latest like very early 9042 you know like convening it over Salzburg and you see like these

you know you see these these like stately vehicles like pulling up and it just looks like an incredible drive like looks like something from another planet or something oh yeah could you even imagine like in a um like the Mercedes S.K. And, uh, you're driving from Frankfurt on Maine up to Vienna in like one of those bad

boys, you know, they're just the, just the, just the, aesthetic experience. But because, because they didn't have that ability to just blast straight through, right, the road actually doesn't do the old road has noticed this thing where you're going to fall asleep because there's just nothing to do and nothing to, I've driven through like South Dakota and, you know, like you've got to have, you got to have somebody like sitting with you to like punch you in the arm so that you don't end up driving off the road you know no it's crazy you know i take the ground so much i see a lot of like american highways you know and uh yeah they're very flat it's crazy too when you get out west like the hills the foothills and some of the smaller mountains they just like

blast these huge tunnels through them and when i was a little kid that really like zoned me out because they don't have that here in chicago but i'd be out in california and it's like yeah you're just like driving through this like mountain tunnel for like freaking you know like 45 minutes yeah or you know driving through this tunnel in the rockies right that that is two miles long you know but but that's that's something that um is i think by by caring about the aesthetics by making sure that everyone had to have something beautiful to be able to look at something that they can be proud of. Um, it really, uh, you know, you can not only, not only people are more likely to maintain it, but it ultimately ends up being easier to maintain because you're not fighting

nature all the time. You know, it, you can drive nature out with the pitch for it because the thing goes, but it always comes back. So how do you, if the, uh, if the road itself like is part of the nature it's not as difficult to constantly be fighting nature to get the road accomplished oh yeah no 100% yeah i mean i'm expressing myself poorly because i'm retarded but and and by making that something that is the most important thing as you're doing it, do those beautiful roads not only become more likely to be maintained and more likely to function longer, they also become an advertisement. And this is, this is, this is why, I mean, ultimately, this is, this is why the, the right

had to be destroyed right is is that um just allowing them to be free was was an advertisement against the capitalist system well yeah it was totally it was a totally different ethos on potentialities and it transcended conventional politics you know i mean in like like in some ways like the shalinist did too and i mean i think soviet cosmism is sort of a callback to that um sort of transcendental mysticism of of uh Byzantium stuff but no I mean but that that was somewhat incidental obviously and it was a result of a dialectical process that very much sort of deviated from the core ethos of Marxist Leninism but no the something that the the fascist the national

socialist access Europe was disposed towards as an essential aspect of the politics of the era and specifically the revolutionary mandate that they were abiding was you know something that uh was epochal in nature and purely historical almost and was uh you know partook of the highest possible forms of human action and cultural productivity, absolutely. Well, that I think that something else that needs to be, I think I've talked about this, like the entire world changed. Like, in, you know, in, the Rome of like Cometheus, right?

Like, after the period of five good emperors, you know, Marcus Aurelius, even then most of the population was still agricultural peasants and you could take an agricultural peasant from the time of Marcus Aurelius and there's been some very very good alternative history time time travel type stuff like you could take someone like that and take them to the world of say I don't know what point the break would be like the 1860s and aside from like firearms like most of everything is like readily apparent and still even into the 1860s of a war between the states most of the people in the world are agricultural peasants but you know in the psalm in 1915 and the you know waterloo in 1815 like the world changed so completely in that hundred years that nothing was the same afterwards and the national socialists the fascist whatever like that that organization those that aesthetic idea like those were the of the three choices

or three ways to confront that massive change where there was bolsheviks there is judea masonic capitalism and then there was this this national you know organic aesthetic romantic nationalism i don't know how else to describe it but of all those three no one is going to care about like if you know if the united states government falls apart no one's going to care about like i-90 in a hundred no or like or yeah exactly or like some random federal building you know downtown the a film that i like you know eight this seems crazy now but age HBO actually used to make really good original movies. Like they made this film about Andre Chickatilla,

the Soviet serial killer, called Citizen X with Donald Sutherland. One of my favorite movies. Yeah, it's dope. They made this biopic of Stalin with Robert Duvall. They did a film version of Fatherland, the alternative history counterfactual, where um the german rike is victorious um in um war two and uh you know there's um in the film it it's uh the german

rikes preparing for hitler's 75 birthday celebrations joe kennedy is the president joe kennedy's trying to end the cold war that exists between america and the rike but it opens in the year in 1964 and um this american delegation is touring berlin which is now you know the the europe like the capital of um nation europa called germania and um it's a combination of early cg and matt's paintings but it looks really cool and uh the centerpiece is the folks hall which uh would have held a hundred and eighty thousand people Hitler would have been able to access it from what would have been

the Fuhrer's palace by way of an underground access road and he would emerge by elevator behind the podium and the folks hall would have been so massive that it would have had its own weather inside

clouds would have formed and it speculated that it would have occasionally reigned within the dome. Like stuff like that is fascinating. Yeah, the best thing Amazon has ever done is they did the Philip K. Dick Manor-Nal High Castle, right? Yeah, the show is silly, but the optics are brilliant. Yeah, yeah. I've appropriated the flag that they utilize for some of my own purposes because it's that good. Oh, the aesthetics were on point.

But to give you just a, here's a quote from that, the book I mentioned, Hitler's, Hitler's engineers, Fritz Todd and Albert Speer, master builders of the Third Reich. Tott started developing detailed plans in July 1933, keeping Hitler closely abreastly developments, and an inner quote, although the entire road plan was Hitler's, and although he took the first step in organization of the plan, he allowed the general inspector and his staff that is taught to make all decisions. He considered a good policy to be in agreement with those in daily contact with the problems of highway construction. He did, however, offer suggestions when the problems were brought to him. The bridge symbolized the fear's approach to construction. He is concerned with beauty and

appearance, but the primary goal is durability. As he has often stated, quote, we must build, what we build must stand long after we're no longer here, unquote. So, you know, do you build a society that is concerned with the future and with aesthetics and, you know, Tucker Carlson's talked about this a little bit, like, but the people who build ugly stuff in America's cities hate you. They don't care about you. You know, if they build, you know, people who build ugly stuff for you, they're telling you they don't care about you.

They're telling you that your kids don't deserve to have beautiful things in their lives. When you... Well, it's also the, you know, and I... The concept of the geography of nowhere, you know, because I'm not, because I don't drive, I'm always on foot. And thankfully, you know, Chicago is one of the few places you can live and not have a car because there's public transportation everywhere. And one of the reasons I like it here is because there's a lot of dedicated nature preserves and things. But like most of this country, it's just built up ugliness. and like you can't you can't be a pedestrian in a lot of places because there's nowhere few to walk and you know architecture and um the design of living spaces it physically dictates your movements yes you know so there's that and yeah if you live um amidst totally ugly surroundings you know it's it beats you down psychologically you know like i

when I get out west and I'm not trashing people live in the west suburbs like west of old park and stuff you start when you get far enough away from like Cook County it becomes like geography in nowhere it's like these like endless flat highways

and you've just passed like Buffalo Wild Wings and like Target and these like Walmart yeah old Kmart's yeah no I mean it's awful man yeah I've talked about Jim Kunstler's you know geography nowhere

a ton because it's really important actually that you know Chicago is the um the last city like the furthest west city where you could actually live like a European style city there's a really good book um William E Cronin nature's metropolis about Chicago you should check it out if you get a chance um about the development of Chicago but if a society that cares about itself and cares about its future is going to build things that make that society stronger internally and a better place to be and I think that you know what have we built you know I've been a political adult basically since 9-11 um what has the United States built in the last 25 years that you can say that that's going to that's going to matter in 50 years yeah it's um i can't think of a thing i can't i literally cannot think of a single thing the united states no and even um even these like dedicated monuments where you have you know people who at least have some rudimentary idea of aesthetic sophistication and you know how things should be

harmoniously devised you know to kind of comport with the natural features of the setting in which it's situated. Like a lot of the stuff just looks bad. You know, like I, the, the, the, the, when I was in D.C. last, you know, I, I, I, I went by the World War II Memorial, which I thought was kind of tacky anyway, because the Iwogee Memorial is the World War II Memorial, if there is one. And there's nothing, like, apparently offensive about it, but it, it, it just looks bad. It, you know, something just, like, tacky about it. It's just aesthetically not well done. Yeah. And it's just, like, totally. unremarkable yeah it um you know no the only there's some beautiful architecture here

and that's kind of my reference point for america i mean stuff like mount rushmore is fascinating you know but yeah you'd think that especially because you think that especially in the years immediately after the cold war that would have been like a priority you know not not in some crude triumphalist way but you know kind of america saying you know we defeated the communist enemy you know now sort of culture can reign of an elevated sort that we're the standard

barrier up like whether that's true or not isn't the point you think there'd be that impetus and that sort of desire even if it's exploited for reasons of political expediency in ways that are somewhat impure of motive but there was none of that

yeah like where was the where was like the great symphony that to celebrate like the end of the cold war and like the triumph of freedom like yeah or a great a great opera or something like that you know yeah there's no there's only there was only like an not particularly good song by the scorpions and i mean obviously they were like from the boondish republic yeah i mean winds of change is a banger like i'm not gonna not gonna knock it you know in terms of what it is it's great but like yeah there's there's no and you know Hitler was a pretty talented draftsman himself but yeah he was great um

the built environment like if if you build a beautiful built environment it's no it's no coincidence that like Mozart and the Strauss family and like how many great composers like spent all their great time in Vienna. No, and yeah, that's why people gravitate towards Prague these days because Prague partakes that same sort of Habsburg Baroque beauty.

Like I'm always telling people, one of my destinations, if I happen upon a time machine, would be Habsburg Vienna, because I mean, I'm very, very Protestant, you know, like but I find myself taken in by that kind of

baroque grandiosity the, you know, as much as, as much as a Roman Catholic person would be, man. Like, it's just incredible. Right. But, but, but the reason, the reason Vienna produced so many, including, you know, our chancellor, right? Like, all of these people were inspired by the beauty that was everywhere around them in Vienna. Oh, 100%. Right.

Yeah, Joseph Schumperter made that point, too. I mean, he was, you know, you don't necessarily. associate economists with the same sort of creative aesthetical endeavors, but, you know, it's, but the, it's, everybody you came out of that milieu was, you know, shaped by it in terms of their, you know, habits and the conventions they gravitated to and, you know, the, the things that drew inspiration from, you know, and yeah, that's what great civilizations are made of is those sorts of, those sorts of, uh, you know, aspects. And it's funny because like in preparation for this episode and just in general, right?

You know, I've tried to find everything I can in English about this this movement of construction and infrastructure and right. And I can't find anything

in English that doesn't just attack right, attack the Third Reich. There's nothing out there. I mean, maybe you know Thomas, maybe we've got like a book from 1946 or something that might have

and if you do like DME later. But, um, well, yeah, you can't, you can't take this stuff seriously. It's the same as there'll be some like middleing college professor from some fourth rate university like talking about how Hitler was a loser.

It's the same thing. It's like, it's like, it's like, okay, bro, like I, the guy conquered, uh,

Europe from France to the gates of Moscow, defeated the British army, defeated the French army, conquered Poland, conquered Czechoslovakia, conquered the low countries, stopped the American army dead in its tracks, but he's like a loser compared,

he's a quote-a-loseer compared to some middle-in college professor, okay? Like, you can't, you can't, I mean, it's so preposterous. It's like some hobo, waving about it as Kurt Narod declaring he's the emperor of the universe. I expect you to take it seriously or something.

you're all beneath me and Joseph Stalin right like I don't think people I mean I've talked about this enough so that people would know or certainly this audience is well educated to have to know this

but the Iranians are not pro American because American trucks and American bullets were given to British and Soviet soldiers in 1941 to invade their country from four different places

yeah right So that they could secure this Persian supply route, which supplied 45 divisions worth of troops to the Soviet Union. The United States sent 10,000 aircraft from like Montana up through Canada, through Alaska, all the way across Siberia. We're talking like, we're talking like a third of the way around the world. Yeah, it's insane. And in addition to like, you know, constant convoys over the North Atlantic to like the white sea and the worst ocean in the world. And we just lost tons of shipping and, you know, right? And if it hadn't been for that kind of heroic effort, you know,

the Soviets would have lost a war. They say themselves that that's why they would have lost the war. Well, yeah. That's why, you know, I mean, I, it, uh, I'm supposed to listen to some, I'm supposed to listen to some fourth rate self-styled propagandist. tell me that I'm a bad person because I won't accept it was an absolute moral imperative to exterminate Western civilization and alliance with the communists. You know, I mean, like I, I, I, these people are beneath me.

Yeah, Thomas, if you don't support supporting the communists, you hate freedom. Yeah, and like I, if I don't go, if I don't hate Muslims for no reason, if I don't hate my fellow Christians in Palestine and go around pretending that I'm Jewish, I'm a bad person. Yeah, that's, well, I was always under the impression people acted that way were mentally ill, but I apparently, like, no, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're just really, really bursting with, with moral integrity. And I'm, I'm like, I'm just like a, I'm just like a bad person. Yeah, no, it's, that's absolutely true, right? And I mean, we can talk about, I don't go to parades either were guys like pee on each other and stuff like apparently I'm supposed to do in June

you know like that you know and I do things like honoring like you know the heroes of my own race instead of like going to like pee parades how dare you Thomas how dare you know the the I suppose we can talk about this just a little bit you know a year later right the the the Trump skeptical um anti-jewish people have been completely vindicated you know like there's i i only want to bring this up because um the the the only salient and this is something i got from you thomas so i'm going to just steal it right the only salient political conflict in the world today is zionist versus everybody else like those are the those are your options you're either on team zionist you're on team like civilization

and it's the same conflict in nineteen forty one it's the same conflict today like you're on team or you're on team civilization those are your those are your teams you know like a charles and i always used to tell each other like it's always january 1936 in spain like you got two teams you got teams i yeah the thing that's surprising about trump i i i never had any illusions about trump or i thought he was a good guy the the way in which he crashed out kind of surprised me because it was really really stupid and he continued to kind of cook himself in the court of public opinion when he doesn't have to he's become I think he's slipping mentally yeah you'd think a narcissist would have more self-respect you know well he

also trumps a master of manipulating the psychological environment I mean it's really that that that's really how he's gotten to where he is and it's like he totally He took leave of, you know, his Machiavellian sensibilities as well as his instincts for how to proceed an index with the media cycle. He's been doing incredibly dumb things. And, I mean, not to derail us. I got to raise up in a minute, too. It's ought to be abrupt. I got like 10 minutes.

But, you know, the way he handled this Epstein matter was just incredibly stupid. You know, it's not like he got, it's not like he got murked because he got put on the spot and, you know, didn't. really see a way out. So, you know, he kind of, he kind of issued some, he kind of made a declaration. He couldn't deliver on to get, you know, a hostile interrogative media off his back. And then he came back to bite. It was like, nothing like that. He's just doing dumb shit, you know. And the way he's responded, you know, he could have, he could have basically placated his masters well at the same time put on airs like he was you know demanding that you know u.s sovereignty be respective vis-a-vis israel and he did the opposite you know it's like what the

hell's wrong with you like you especially considering the current environment conceptually and the way people feel about israel that that was about the dumbest possible thing you could do but um that's a subject for another day forgive me and um Yeah, forgive me for being abrupt. I, um, I, um, we can, we can reconvene and continue this subject matter if you guys want to. I mean, obviously, I'm sure you guys are going to continue with it, but I'll, oh, I'll rejoin you guys at a later date if you want to continue this. Anytime you want to talk about whatever you want to talk about, Thomas, I'm always happy to listen. You know, if you got to rise up, that's not.

No, you should, um, I'm doing this series now with the world at war guys, Nick and Adam, which is great. very blessed they wanted to include me but i you know i also we put like pete and i with a couple other guys you know we we do the inquisition pod you should you should yeah you should you should you should you should dip in there sometime man anytime i'm um i'm i'm i'm a big fan astral's and nick of that i've been an old friends of mine for years you know i've yeah no he's a great dude okay yeah you're aware of it um oh yeah but that uh yeah i i'll be in touch and um I'm always, at long last, I'm going to start, I'm going to start live streaming on the regular. And it would help if you'd be willing to collab with me on that sometimes, too.

But you call it. You call and I'll jump on, man. Get my phone number from Pete, man. And, like, shoot me a text in the next couple days and just like identify yourself when you do. And, yeah, we'll talk about it over text if that's cool. That's fine. Yeah. And let's close this one down then.

That sounds good. All right. So, Thomas, get plugs. Yeah. You can find me. I run a charity for autistic LGBTQ children. No, I don't do that. That's my live stream.

You can find me at, Thomas 777.com. It's number 7. HMES 777.com and my substack is where I direct people to as well because that's where my podcast is.

A lot of my long form writing and we got a very active chat there. It's real Thomas 777.7.7.com and as I kind of restructure my content, I know I'm active on those. to platforms every day. So go there

and you shall find. D.E. Well, I have my own show, a fundamental principle. It's also on substack. I've got to give a strong recommend to following Thomas' telegram and his substack.

I follow both of them. And, of course, everything, everything Pete Canona is, you know, give Pete money, listen to his shows, do his live streams, you know,

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