The Pete Quiñones Show - The Dr. Matthew Raphael Johnson Episodes (Updated) - Complete

Episode Date: December 14, 2025

9 Hours and 44 MinutesPG-13These are the episodes featuring Dr. Matthew Raphael Johnson minus the 200 Years Together readings (so far). Uprisings and Pogroms in Historic Ukraine A Century of Zionist... Violence Vladimir Putin and His EnemiesThe Myth And Lies of the Russian 'Pogroms' The 'Red Terror' in Russia (1918-1922)Ukraine, Israel and Endless DestructionThe History of Khmelnytsky and his CossacksKarl Marx's Zur Judenfrage w/ Dr. Matthew Raphael JohnsonWho Is Claudia Sheinbaum?Dr Johnson's PatreonRusJournal.orgTHE ORTHODOX NATIONALISTDr. Johnson's Radio Albion PageDr. Johnson's Books on AmazonPete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's SubstackPete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I want to welcome everyone back to the Pete Cignonos show. I am pleased to have Dr. Matthew Raphael Johnson with me today. How are you doing, Dr. Johnson? Yeah, I think it's about time. We got together. I know we have some mutual friends. I'm doing okay. So I'm really happy to be here.
Starting point is 00:00:20 I'm really happy to be helping you out this way. I appreciate you doing this because this is one of those topics that once you start to understand it, starts leading you in other places and even up to the modern day. But before we get into the meat of the discussion, why don't you tell everybody a little bit about yourself? Well, for those who don't know, I've been doing this sort of thing professionally for 32 years now.
Starting point is 00:00:49 I've had my PhD in the history of political philosophy from University of Nebraska, and then I went straight to Willis Cardo's Liberty Lobby. The Barnes Review, and I worked under him for many years, and then I was a professor of many universities until COVID hit, really. And then, yeah, it just, I assume at that point, just like many other people, you just had to adopt a new paradigm. Well, it wasn't that difficult. Academia has reached a point where I can't function in it anymore, but my name, I'm known enough
Starting point is 00:01:28 where through things like website and Patreon and everything else I can make some sort of a decent living but even when I was in college in the 90s there's no and grad school it's an extremely difficult place
Starting point is 00:01:45 I always thought of it as a test experiment for what the rest of the society is going to be like in the future like collective farm but since I got my degree in my I've written 16 books or something.
Starting point is 00:02:01 I can never remember. And I've been, you know, the leader as far as nationalism is concerned in Russian and Ukrainian history. And I was the very first one. And this was in the early 2000s when I was at the Barnes Review in D.C. To say that Putin was going to do things that we really could use. That he is going to be, everyone at the time was calling him a communist KGB. the right was saying that, the left was saying that, and that was by myself, and I convinced Willis Cardo and Michael Collins Piper that this is not true, and his agenda is not known yet. I used to think it was Alexander Lebed in the 90s, and then they murdered him.
Starting point is 00:02:47 So that whole right-wing interest in Russia comes directly from me, and I took so much crap for it back. They'd only been in office a couple of years by then. And now, of course, it's taken for granted. But at the time, the right wing was screaming and yelling about this guy. He turned on his financiers. And, you know, it's one of my several claims to fame. But my main function now is the lecture series at Radio Albion, which is located in Britain
Starting point is 00:03:25 the owner of that is in prison for crimes against liberalism you know thought crimes and that's Sven Longchengs and that gives me a forum I have an hour long lecture on Wednesday and a half hour more current events thing on Thursday and it's called the Orthodox Nationalist
Starting point is 00:03:48 Orthodox religion nationalist in politics which is how it's really organized. And then my own website, rushdurnal.org, which I don't, I have to keep up with. I'm not, but I need to do that. And, of course, my Patreon page. But if you go to Radio Albion, and I think in the description, you can have the website connected to that, the Orthodox Nationalist.orgpress.com, where you can buy books. You could donate to me directly, because I do this full time.
Starting point is 00:04:20 This is not a part-time job. And I'm financed exclusively by my readers and listeners. So that's, you know, this is what I'm doing now. I just got remarried after a wretched divorce in 2014. And this is, and, you know, I'm 50. I'm going to be 52 soon. And I'm getting to the point professionally where I could pretty much do what I want. and I have some very loyal readers and listeners.
Starting point is 00:04:53 It was 2009. I started doing the radio thing at a place called The Voice of Reason, which I don't think exists anymore. But they're essentially university lectures concerning topics of interest to people like us. Generally, you know, the nationalist right, whatever you want to call them, Palaio, the Palaio types, you know, E. Michael Jones type of person or Russell Kirk, um, dogan, you know, people like that. So, and, and this is what I do. This is what I do full time now. How long did you last in academia? Well, I taught when I was getting my PhD for several years. I got a Warren Buffett, um, uh, fellowship to go there in, in 95. Um, and then when I went to Willis Cardo, I left to get a university job, Mount St. Mary.
Starting point is 00:05:47 University in Maryland from there I taught a couple classes at Penn State Mount Alto a few community colleges I would say that came to an end 2018 but I did teach another class after that I won't do online stuff but that's where everything is thanks to COVID so I pulled out for that reason but clearly it's not the only reason I probably couldn't go back if there was a gun to my head Yeah, I was, it's shocking to me that you could have lasted that long having the, the Cardo associations, some of the associations you had. And I just, I think it really just goes to show just how much things have changed even in the last four or five years. Yeah, it irritates me when, you know, I'm not a big fan of conservatives in general.
Starting point is 00:06:41 I think they're extremely naive. And, of course, I was one in college, you know, I got human events. national review and all that stuff long before there was an internet um but you know this this propaganda term woke which irritates the hell out of me conservatives being so naive they'll actually use that term which is a flattering term for the honest it's the same left that's existed for a very long time they just found a new set of targets and they cancel stuff you know it's it's as if when the it's only when the media discovers uh something and gives it a name of course they're a big part of this anyway. Only then does it exist. But this was the same in the early
Starting point is 00:07:20 90s. You know, that was just before the electronic social media revolution. So there's nothing new here. But what happened, you know, the fraud of 2020, especially the what's his name killing in Minnesota, which was, you know, he was not killed by them, given what we know today, that created an impetus in the riots of summer of 2020 to, you know, that was a violent revolution you need for the Red Guards to take over. And they function very much like, whether it be in China or the Soviet Union. I have a book out on the Soviet Union, and I'm working on a book on China, China as a national socialist state rather than a, rather than a communist one. So that irritates the heck out of me. And I think I survived an academia for
Starting point is 00:08:11 while because my name is very common and I have a laundry list of academic accomplishments and don't underestimate the fact that I'm a nice guy I know how to get along with people so I'm not going to go and preaching anything to these guys I'm not particularly ideological in my like the unlike the left in any university lecturing I do ask some impertinent questions but that's that's about it and it's a thing thing like, you know, they hear something about me. They'll go, well, Matt's a nice guy, but he's a little nuts, but he's a nice guy. And that's, that, that is how to do it.
Starting point is 00:08:51 You don't go in the first day screaming and yelling about how corrupt the place is. You save that for later. So you get to the subject at hand, I guess I really didn't start looking into Ukrainian politics until about 2014 when everything started happening there. And then I started reading history. I got a translation of 200 years together by Solzhenycin in English, and I started reading that. And that really piqued my interest because even though he a lot of the, most of the concentration is on the last 200 years, he does a really good brief summary of the history of what happened in Ukraine and Russia.
Starting point is 00:09:39 before that, coming forward from about, I think, about 1,1100 he does in the book. And I started talking with a friend of mine, and we started talking about what comes to be, what came to be known as, the Kemmelnetsky Uprising. And when I started looking at that, I was really intrigued because the players involved the body count on on a couple sides there and it just seemed like something that could have been very significant and even something that could be in the minds of certain people up until today and so I asked my friend I said who's the best on this subject and he mentioned your name reached out to you here you are if you want to give any kind of introduction into it ready to jump
Starting point is 00:10:36 right in if you are. Well, as far as Jews are concerned, followers of the Talmud and the rabbinical system, other than Hitler himself, the only close second to that in the Jewish mind in terms of tragedy is the Kimonitki uprising, which in part was against the Jews who were not just asking for it, they were begging for it. And in fact, there's plenty of even mainstream writers that can't avoid the awful Jewish behavior. Remember, this occurs in the Polish Empire, where the Polish nobility, I mean, there wasn't much of a central state there. Poland was the largest country in Europe.
Starting point is 00:11:22 The king was mostly toothless, for the most part, and it was an oligarchy of landed magnates. And by 1700, there was about 80% of the Jewish population lived. in the Polish Empire. And they very tightly controlled it because the aristocracy who controlled the country did not engage in any kind of banking or administration or trade in the cities.
Starting point is 00:11:54 That they brought, deliberately brought in the Jews to act as their agents. It's kind of like hiring an accountant. And Polish nobles weren't particularly good when it came to business. They were involved in trying to create the old, you know, Roman Republic and the other fantasies they had about themselves. So all of their financial dealings, everything from, you know, loans and pawn shops and all the rest, were in Jewish hands. Jews, of course, worked in the name of whoever the landlord was.
Starting point is 00:12:26 Some of these estates were bigger than, you know, like Holland. These were humongous places. And so you had a number of, you know, so this. exploded in the Kimunitsky rebellion in 1648 because Jewish power was so overwhelming there was a messianic spirit for the first time in a long time in 1620 1630s in Poland we ruled was called the paradise of the Jews at the time Jews were pouring into the place especially after after Spain and their power was so overwhelming and they generally engaged in short-term leases, and whenever the – which were monopoly leases, that could be a – it could be a small region.
Starting point is 00:13:18 It could be a church. It could be a – it could be a pastor land, whatever it might be. And the – of course, the noble Lord would get a piece of it. And as Jews were heavily involved in usury, of course, and credit was called the Arenda system. And in Polish, actually, Arenda and Jew is almost the same word. It just means a short-term leaseholder. And this is how Jews came into Poland. This is how the country and the empire expanded, especially into parts of today Ukraine that has a very very very different sort of people there than the Poles. They've been enemies for some time.
Starting point is 00:14:05 And you have a number of players. Of course, you have the Polish nobility. You have the Jews themselves. You have the Ukrainian Cossacks. Now, of course, I should note, I have a book on this topic, simply called Ukrainian nationalism, which is you could find it on Amazon, published by Hermata Press and with the assistance of the journal Russia Insider,
Starting point is 00:14:27 who I'm close to. And the Turkish Empire was involved, of course, Russia, and then later on Sweden. That's not even to mention the Polish monarch who on occasion would gain some sort of traction. Though I think one of the reasons the Polish nobility brought the Jews in was to avoid the bear situation where a crown could tax the monetized economy of the cities and grow in power. since Jews were dependent on their Polish protectors and there's a number of Jewish historians that say they got more obnoxious as times went on they owned in the name of their lord of course
Starting point is 00:15:10 most of the land and most of the religious institutions especially in in Ukraine and given the extreme nature of Polish serfdom than Jewish usury Jews were the tax farmers and because their leases were generally short term it um they didn't have much they didn't have long to to recoup their investment it was intensive exploitation of these estates overworking the land the peasantry and not really caring too much about long long term effects um and when they obtained the right to to collect and impose
Starting point is 00:15:49 taxes and fees even for church services um it it got it got worse and worse Polish serfdom was particularly nasty. And it's even worse than that in Ukraine because you don't, they're not Catholics. And so as Polish landholding became more and more centralized, as either states became larger and larger, you had this excellent utilitarian connection between Jews and the Polish nobility. The Jews didn't really speak the language. They never assimilated, of course, They were involved in the Kahal system, which was their communal form of rule under the absolute control, the council, or even the head rabbi. And the Poles, the nobility, could worry about military stuff and fighting, giving all of their financial stuff over into the Jews. There's really nobody who has any brains at all that doesn't say or doesn't have to admit that the Jews were extremely irrational and unjust and exploiting.
Starting point is 00:16:56 in their financial practices. And by the time Kimo Nitsky and the Kosak host rose up in 1648, of course they'd been dozens of uprisings prior to that. The Ukrainian and even much of the Polish working class in the peasantry had been entirely dispossessed. And so when the explosion finally came, there was this whole movement that we can do whatever we want because the Messiah is going to be coming.
Starting point is 00:17:23 And he's going to be coming here. And it's because of our power. here that we know that the Messiah is coming. Well, rather than the Messiah, they got Kim Il-Nitsky. And the wars lasted really until the 1650s. And the Cossacks were the main fighters. Kimon-Nitsky himself was in the higher ranks of the Cossack host. The Zaporosian Sikh or the fortress in the banks in the rapids of the Dianeper, which was the Perosia means. That name comes up a lot because of the nuclear plant that's there. It means beyond the rapids, which was the main Cossack headquarters. Now, the Cossack is Slavic, and you had
Starting point is 00:18:08 to be orthodox to be a member, were what we would call freebooters, which is where the word comes from. And they had a fortress, you know, the bikers of the day, but they had a strict moral code in a very their job was to raid the Turkish Empire and rescue slaves from the island of Khafa which was run by Jews and the
Starting point is 00:18:32 Crimea was run by an Islamic Khan so the Emirate which is a dependency on the Ottoman Empire used the Kimmelnitsky uprising to make more money for them by engaging in the slave trade Jews eventually talked him into not backing Kimulnitsky and that's
Starting point is 00:18:48 when his rebellion fell apart But the constant, you know, the demands of the Cossack hosts, they were spokesmen for the Ukrainian people at the time, they were strictly Orthodox, they were the military force of the church, and because they were so fanatically, you know, it was a knighthood, it was a brotherhood. They believed in a Christian equality, and they loathed more than, you know, the Polish nobility, especially in their relationship with the Jews. because for them, both the Catholics and the Jews that were the worst possible enemy by the time of the uprising. And, you know, previous uprisings for the same reason, just total dispossession, wanting to even not just destroy the Kossack homes, but reduce them to serfs, which is really one of the things that sparked this. And rather than deal with them, unless they absolutely had to, their reprisals for previous uprisings were so violent. that you know it didn't solve anything so the situation by 1648 and in Poland especially in the Ukrainian Orthodox areas was absolutely intolerable life simply wasn't worth living and it
Starting point is 00:20:03 certainly wasn't worth working because no one really had anything by this point don't forget still the Baltic grain trade and the Jewish monopoly over liquor was what were the big you know, for-profit crops, and that just means even more to work the peasantry to the bone. And so that's why the Polish nobility, in the one hand, the Jews and the other, became, at least in the Cossack mind, one and the same thing. So the Cossack movement that exploded that year under him, it had the force of decades, maybe 100 years, of this kind of extreme, almost hyper-exam. exploitation. And of course, from then on, the Polish Empire weakened. And in what, 150 years later, whatever it was, the Polish Empire seeks to exist. So they became victims of this short-term financial mentality. And, of course, the partitions of Poland in the late 18th century, that was
Starting point is 00:21:10 the end of the empire. But the causes of all that can be laid. laid at this mean this is the main foundation for it and the Cossacks fought for the Orthodox Church and for a rational you know economy rather than usury you know labor and usury are opposites and and so they became the core of of later Ukraine of course clearly ideologically it's not the case anymore but that was Ukraine Ukraine came into existence as as an orthodox state under Cossack control in their battles with the Polish and to a lesser extent the Turkish and Russian empires. That's where it, that's where it came from. That's what Ukraine is.
Starting point is 00:21:58 I mean, to this day, the Hetman's, the Hetman was ahead of the Cossack coast. His mace is used in the, in the Rada, Kiev as a sign of authority. It's like a big mace. I have a replica of one here, in fact. And that's, that's what Ukraine is. So it's by definition, you know, almost a national, certainly a nationalist, national anarchist, agrarian state with a Cossack military corps. And the empire probably would, the Polish empire would have been conquered had not the Crimean Khan
Starting point is 00:22:36 been bought off by these very same Jews and then turned on Kim Mnitsky. So then after that, it gets very complicated when you. Ukraine was divided between the right bank and the left bank, and, of course, the partition of Poland 150 years afterwards. But that's the basic foundation of what we're talking about. Before we jump into any more detail there, it does seem like that story of a certain group not being able to invest and make the kind of money they want. they hear about this group of people who can they invite them in and then just as the system
Starting point is 00:23:23 we have today where the people on the top are getting the richest it actually starts to impoverish the population around the person who brought them in to make money and it just seems that, you know, when you read, like, Werner Sombart's book, he talks about that, how that happened in multiple locations and it always ended up in expulsions, or worse. Yeah, the, and not just Sombard, you know, E. Michael Jones is Barron Metal, which is a history of Eusory, starting from North Italy and then going right up to the present day. One of the best books, he's one of my favorite authors. I know him personally.
Starting point is 00:24:08 and he uses some bark quite a quite a bit just to make that very same point you know the the gentile polish nobility was a little on the naive side they just figured we could keep the money out of the hands of a monarch is going to tell us what to do the jews seemed to be very industrious and at the time you know economics as a science didn't exist the same thing for north italy no matter how sophisticated their banks were they didn't realize what Yusri amounted to. They didn't realize that, you know, the Jews come in with a massive amount of capital. They could undercut their opponents. They seemed to have an unlimited amount of credit. They could undercut their Gentile opponents in that respect. Many of them refused to charge interest, couldn't charge interest, forgetting that, you know, any economic downturn, you're going to have defaults all over the place,
Starting point is 00:25:03 which means, at least in the Polish case, the land and equipment capital, going to the Jews in the employ of the nobility, that wherever you go, use for you lead to mass impoverishment. It's both a cause and a result of economic failures. But it was very difficult to compete with a group of people who have, you know, thanks to the Talmud and later on the Zohar, a mission to gain wealth and power. at the expense of their rivals, which is why Jones wrote his book in the first place. And it's very uniform. When you read all the documents about why they were expelled from, I forget, 109 since the end of the Roman Empire, country, cities, whatever, the complaints are identical. It's unfair business practices. It's mass indebtedness.
Starting point is 00:25:58 It's the property of the poor and middle class going to Jewish. overlords and the state itself dependent on these people for a steady flow of credit and cash. And it doesn't take long before the concentration of economic power in the Kahal, in the Jewish elite, ended up taking over the state slowly but surely without the Gentile leadership having any idea what's going on. And that's exactly what happened in Poland. They were engaged in short-term profiteering, forgetting about what the long-term results of usury and dishonest trading practices are going to lead to. And Kimonitsky is what it led to, one of the worst examples of this.
Starting point is 00:26:44 And they had an excellent case. Now, the killings of the Jews in that revolution have been exaggerated. I think now it's a couple of thousand, usually in the cities, particularly obnoxious ones, but that was only after their Polish bodyguards were overcome. And Kim Ilitsky couldn't control that if you wanted to. And they learned nothing because even after that, the same practices continued, but at least with some kind of an independent Kosanak state. And it shouldn't surprise you that the two countries that, you know, like Shabad, the, the Hasidic sect, what really was his root, came from right after what happened to the Jews after Kim Malinsky. And where Hasidim came from, one of the results.
Starting point is 00:27:31 of it and this kind of messianism the two places that they that they loathe are Russia and Ukraine the current the population agenda is right up their alley and Shabbat and groups like this make no bones about it this is a perfect arrangement for them because to this day you have Odessa Ukraine is still a major center for for Jewish power maybe later on we could talk about the project of new Khazaria, which I've dealt with in great detail, which this war has derailed. But the expulsions, as you said, pretty much the exact, there's also sexual vices, stuff like prostitution.
Starting point is 00:28:17 But these expulsion edicts were identical in almost every single case. Yeah, it always seems to come down to the same thing, and it's usury. And, you know, the people who, whether it's people who are Jewish or people who defend or jumped, jump to defend against anti-Semitism, quote unquote, they try to turn that into riches. Oh, you know, you're just upset because Jewish people have more money than you. It's like, first of all, I know a lot of people who have more money than me, and I'm not jealous of them. It's maybe it's how they got their money. Maybe it's the fact that they control the money, and maybe it's what they do with that money. Maybe it's the social programs that they take these billions of dollars and push trends, you know, the Pritzker is pushing the transgender agenda down people's throats and everything else that they do, which is basically to,
Starting point is 00:29:25 de-rassinate people from their from their heritage and to make sure in my opinion make sure that there's never like an all-white country again that has any power well that's unfortunately that's that's politics 101 but a joe sober and used to say um you know it's talking about politics without the jews it's like talking about um uh basketball without mentioning the Chicago Bulls or Michael Jordan. It doesn't make any sense. And an analysis, whether it be the early modern period or today, of world politics without mentioning the power of these financiers, going back generations, leads to absurd
Starting point is 00:30:13 results. But since in academia, you can't really talk about it. Absurd results are the norm. To talk about Polish history without talking to Jewish history is impossible. The Jews were the most powerful group there. And I've heard all the excuses, all the special pleading, the jealousy argument and everything else. And there's really not much you could say. It's dishonesty.
Starting point is 00:30:35 They don't really know. Very few people have access to a lot of this data, especially in an age of censorship. We know what their arguments are, but they often don't know what our arguments are, which is an important fact. You go to grad school, I know their arguments in depth. But we're still a bit of a mystery to them. But because it involves Jews, all of a sudden people's brains get turned off. There's a short circuit there. I'm not allowed to talk about this because they could hurt me in a lot of different ways in terms of employment and anything else.
Starting point is 00:31:09 The same situation in the early Soviet Union. As Sultan Eastern does mention it, 200 years together, I know, as I know you know. And this isn't a matter of this. This is not a personal matter, as you hinted. I mean, this is not because you hate. I've had, you know, too many personal. I'm from New Jersey. I'm from Union County.
Starting point is 00:31:33 There are Jews everywhere. Over New York City. You know, that's where I lived. And it's, you know, I went to the University of Hartford, which is one of the most Jewish universities in America. You know, there's nothing, nothing new here. But there are a handful of Jews who are willing to listen, but they're not many. these attacks on jewelry whether intellectual or otherwise aren't personal they're institutional it has to do with with everything that derives from from the talmud in the rabbinic system
Starting point is 00:32:00 and their contempt that they have for us which is so easy to prove the you know the sheer amount of material i've collected on all of this every once in a while you get a you get a few jews who will say like ginsberg and jews in the state which is an excellent book that this short-term drive for power, whether it be through Ushri or, I mean, I think Uxri is just an aspect of rent-seeking, rents are even more broad. That short-termism ends up leading to long-term irrationality. But I guess the Jewish mind is used to going from place to place. And, you know, Israel being an exception, but Israel's situation is so tenuous right now,
Starting point is 00:32:43 which is where Crimea came in as a new Qazdia. I'm not sure how long that that country has last. demographically and otherwise. You know, they're running out of people to move there. Well, and they're so overrun by homosexuals. I mean, there is no reproduction is bound to peter out. I remember when Rabbi Weiss, Rabbi David Weiss, who many people know, who's a personal friend of mine,
Starting point is 00:33:14 actually, the head of Natura Carter, which was a vehemently. They were actually at the Holocaust Conference. in Iran. What was that? 15, 20 years ago talking about the exploitation of this. The very fact that they call it the Holocaust, as if this is a superior event, is arrogant. But he's, and so many, some of the ascetics are vehemently anti-Israel, because it's essentially a secular, essentially cabalistic movement. And Rabbi Weiss always said, in all of his speeches, he says, Zionism requires Jews to have a predominant influence over their host countries' foreign policy, because Israel's not viable by itself and controlling and funneling information. That's because Israel exists.
Starting point is 00:34:05 Now, there were other reasons for this in the past, but because Israel exists and they want to keep it going, they can't allow too much criticism. I mean, the wars that this is dragging the U.S. and Britain into because of this unfailing and the inability to see the connection between the two, there's unfailing support for Israel. But that has to be shut down, which is what APEC is for and all the rest of it. So, you know, Jews end up being this very powerful, media savvy, very politics savvy. I mean, the homosexual movement is exclusively Jewish at its leadership level. I have the whole list of them here. It's pages and pages and pages, even down to the local level.
Starting point is 00:34:46 That was their pet project. The Hasidics in Jerusalem don't like it, but that's because the Jewish mind in these cases is based on a double standard. So I know exactly what you mean. Eusory is the dominant profession of these people, but rent seeking in general being in a position of cultural or political power and charging fees, even if they're only intellectual ones because they have this authority. This is part of the Jewish mind. One of the things that people
Starting point is 00:35:20 hear about, and it's why Israel has to have their own homeland, is these programs that have happened over the centuries. And the Komenesky uprising, I mean, I think on Wikipedia it says
Starting point is 00:35:36 they have as much as 35,000 but maybe can you just give some insight into like was it because he was thrown in jail and it was a reaction or was this going to happen anyway? In reference to Kimmelnitsky, the cauldron of increasing hatred given the economic practices of the day, it just needed a leader. It needed somebody who, yeah, I mean, it was personal for him, but it wasn't just personal. he lost his land at the at the hands of one of these jewish guys who took who took a polish name and um you know that he finally put it together but not him it would have been someone and there were many other uprisings both before and after uh under similar circumstances it was immensely popular in fact i'll go so far as to say in my ukraine book i say this that kimalnitchki is the second most important person in ukrainian history after you know of course st vla
Starting point is 00:36:39 Vladimir of Kiev. He is the hero. And the people who control the colonial administration in Kiev now, of course, don't either don't understand that or don't want to understand that. And it's a Jewish government there anyway. This depopulation agenda is very old. And it was the case, you know, hundreds of years ago as it is as it is right now. So it just was a matter of focusing, and especially, you know, one of the things that caused his revolutions are, is dashed expectations.
Starting point is 00:37:18 Because the king at the time, who died that very year, had promised a whole host of reforms, whether or not he could carry it out. But whether it be John Sobieski or Vladislav or any of these other monarchs in Poland, they were always overruled. by the Senate, which was run by these oligarchs in their Jewish account manager. Kind of like, you know, Black Rock is that writ large today. And they would shut this down. So, you know, simple, simple requests, you know, like, you know, equal representation or freedom of religion in Ukraine, lessening of serfdom were thrown out the window. when a monarch would promise this and then the chm or the diet would overthrow it
Starting point is 00:38:10 and make it worse in fact and you keep dashing expectations like this you're going to build a pressure cooker and when you have a talented leader like Bogdong Kimmugnski you're going to get the results that you need none of this had to happen but it was inevitable by 1648 well maybe get into a little bit about this new Khazaria.
Starting point is 00:38:37 I think it was obvious to some people when this started and looking at what's been going on since the Soviet Union fell that Jewish interests had their eyes on Ukraine. And Ukraine being the quote-unquote breadbasket of Europe, it seems to be. a better it would be a better long-term place to control than Israel, Palestine. Is that what your theory entails?
Starting point is 00:39:13 Is that they're looking to have another quote-unquote promise line? Well, I think many of your listeners understand already that the Jews that populate the present day Israel in the Middle East are of usually
Starting point is 00:39:30 of Ukrainian or Russian initial citizenship and they came from the Khazar Empire was overthrown by destroyed actually by Svelte Pulk in
Starting point is 00:39:44 the middle of the 960s they had there were Turkish people who had converted to Judaism a few centuries prior to that and were in fact a Jewish empire and they functioned in the same way that Jews everywhere do
Starting point is 00:40:01 they charged tolls on the on the vulga they were heavily engaged in the in the slave trade they weren't particularly productive the military was usually mercenaries they were given carte blanche to do whatever they pleased and after uh keyev destroyed the destroyed the system the mentality of of kazadega didn't go away the overwhelming majority of europe's jews come from in one form or another um that empire and you know the Khazar Empire is called Red Zion in many cases there was plans to recolonize it as early as 1943 even with an agreement with Maltov and Malinkov and Beria the Jewish anti-fascist committee was was engaged in this and when you have the oligarchic movement starting in the 1990s in both Russia and Ukraine, which was almost entirely Jewish, you had the makings of a very unique situation. The Bidobizdan, which I also have written on substantially, experiment in southern Siberia didn't quite work out.
Starting point is 00:41:16 But rather than denying that they, you know, denying that they're, that they're Khazars, that they should embrace it. And it's not something. I think this war has derailed it in Odessa, which is the capital, Jewish capital of Ukraine. New Kazadia, the idea arose. And now you have the world's largest synagogue complex right there in Odessa. And thereabouts, this huge system. It's like one big yeshiva in the southern part of the country. close to the Black Sea and prior to the war there was some out migration from Israel
Starting point is 00:42:03 with IDF support and into into that part of the world when Russia because of the referendum in Crimea took it that was a huge blow to this movement of course now now the war the Jews were always very sensitive Zionists that they had no religious or ethnic right to return the lease because they're strangers there. So the war of course derailed all of this for now. But this group has a few
Starting point is 00:42:37 thousand who lease land on a 99-year lease. Sometimes it was a 48-year lease from local Cossacks in rural areas and they bought the grain elevators here. I know back in 2006 it was 500 Jews arriving of
Starting point is 00:42:53 Estabropo from Israel. And, of course, they quickly separated themselves from the native Slavs, and they called themselves new Khazadea. And they built even the security fence like you had in Israel itself. They had ex-Mosad, private security, that kept watch over it. And in the Russian newspaper, Ere Vossi, it was actually 2002, did a story on the state within a state project that novel Alexandrovice and Stavropo
Starting point is 00:43:30 migrants are busy building an entire they're not productive they don't work to land obviously but they own all the grain elevators and this was you know from the old collective farm system the community is growing
Starting point is 00:43:44 rapidly and very few people know about it they are subsidized but they're essentially settlers it's just an extension of the settler idea and this became this new form of the red Zion they don't buy anything local they don't employ anybody locally
Starting point is 00:44:04 and they're isolated but they are in a strategic agricultural area Stavropo is what was you know then was the largest scrannery in Russia 50 million tons of grain yearly and of course they don't want the attention but, you know, media blackout was only ruptured in Russia itself. And it's one of the reasons that the Jewish president of Ukraine had to repeal the law
Starting point is 00:44:35 that you can't sell Ukrainian farmland foreigners. And, you know, that was kind of ignored to begin with, but now it's official. And apparently, up until the war began, it was 500 at a time, 500 is rarely showing up at a time. As I mentioned, 2012, the Minora, Jewish Community Agricultural and Business Center opened up in the East, actually, as well as in Odessa. So there's colonization happening, at least there was, and because of the Jewish nature of the oligarchic, and now, of course, the Jewish nature of the administration in Kia, media and everything else, is, they're in a perfect position to do this maybe not in Crimea but in parts of Ukraine and that really is going to me and the war is over
Starting point is 00:45:29 as far as Kiev is concerned I knew that from the beginning you know that's you know they never had a chance to begin with except for immediate manipulation and as Zelensky has stated that we are going to build a state very similar to Israel he said this
Starting point is 00:45:47 he said this via webcam to a rally in Tel Aviv it's going to be a massive security state essentially totalitarian on the model of the Zionist state and as
Starting point is 00:46:05 they're closing churches by the hundreds there they're clearly not messing around here I don't know how well known his comments about building new Israel in Ukraine are building this security state that really will serve the interests of capital only. All the labor legislation has been repealed. You know, there's no minimum wage. They use the war as an excuse, although this has been around a long time. That's just the beginning. But a lot of things
Starting point is 00:46:34 are going to depend on the outcome of the war, which is largely a theta complete for now, but what kind of negotiated settlement there's going to be. And this is just the beginning. do you have any evidence that one of the reasons why Putin would have invaded was to was this was an attempt to stop that it would surprise me I have no doubt he's he's aware of it and what that would mean for Russian security if anything it's a it would be a minor matter but it's common knowledge and Russia just not common knowledge here you're not dealing with a lot of people many Jews reject the whole concept
Starting point is 00:47:20 just like they rejected the Birrubis done Siberian concept many years ago but at least it has the effect of derailing it in order for this to work you needed Zelensky in office or someone very much like him since 2014
Starting point is 00:47:37 only Poroshenko has not been Judaic you know since the revolution of 2014. And even Israel's approach to this war, I mean, you know, Jews support Ukraine for a whole bunch of reasons, that being won. But the Israeli government is, and he's been, they've been attacked by Zelensky, have, you know, taken a wait and see attitude.
Starting point is 00:48:02 I thought they'd be jumping on the bandwagon, but they, but they've not. Whether there's a connection here or not, obviously this is a, this is a Jewish part of the world, is a separate issue. Of course, now Netanyahu has his, has his own. problems and can't really worry about this too much, but whether or not, you know, the direct reason for the, I know the precise reason for the invasion, of course, was to save Nova Russia against the Ukrainian attack. That's what the, you know, this was a preemptive invasion, but being able to strip mine
Starting point is 00:48:34 the industry of the East was certainly a goal after 2014 and they still have failed to do it. And now that they're part of Russia, they will permanently fail to do it. You know, Ukraine is in a viable state just with this central and western part. They go kind of like Israel. But whether the Jewish media is prepared to talk about this is another matter. The Russians know about it. Ukrainians know about it. Turks know about it.
Starting point is 00:49:00 But it's almost totally unknown in the West. Is this a Ukrainian, white, Orthodox Ukrainian genocide on their point? part. Is that what their, is that one of their goals is to get people, get these people out of the way? As I mentioned in the beginning, depopulation of their two most hated groups of people, the Ukrainians and the Russians, the Russians, because they are the third Rome, and Rome is condemned in the Talmud until, you know, they use code names for it. But the fact that yet it is a genocide of the best of the Ukrainian orthodox population is not an act. accident and it's one of the reasons that the war continues despite the fact that it has no chance of
Starting point is 00:49:47 winning throwing these boys who aren't trained very well against now rested regulars i mean russia's using what 10% of its military potential here it's not just and of course the outmigration is huge desertion is huge there's no question i mean they're closing churches all over the place because every orthodox church there has some connection to russia I guess, except the Kiev and Patriarchate, I suppose. But that isn't all that large. It's an ethnic cleansing. It's a religious cleansing.
Starting point is 00:50:22 And, you know, the war is really the perfect pretext for. You know, if the West wasn't supporting Ukraine to this fanatical level to the point where they don't have anything left, the war would have been over in a month. just like the Georgian War in 2008, but given intelligence and the electronics of NATO and the U.S., the war has been dragged out, especially in Russia always had very limited goals in mind. It really had to do with Nova Russia and to defang the Kiev administration militarily. You know, it's been dragged out, which means that every Ukrainian killed in this war after the first month and a half is killed unnecessarily. and is killed for this very same agenda. The Russians haven't had many casualties
Starting point is 00:51:15 are minimizing civilian casualties, especially since they're Russians, where they're fighting, and all voted to become a part of Russia. But, you know, the Ukrainians don't have that level of, don't have that scruple because the whole reason for them wanting to take Eastern Ukraine is to eliminate it and re-colonize it, which, of course, would be very difficult to do. They'd have a Northern Ireland on their hands
Starting point is 00:51:36 if they didn't do that. But as an after effect that makes Jews happy, the two most hated groups of people fighting each other is this is almost a utopia for them. Yeah, a friend of mine who was American military intelligence and also in propaganda units said that Russia as their military and what they're doing now, even using mercenaries, they've become like a perfect meat grinder. to eliminate the Ukrainian population. They just keep sending them in, and they just keep killing them. And Russia will take losses, but he said, in his opinion, it will be Ukraine whose losses are going to be devastating to the point where anybody who would be allowed to go in there
Starting point is 00:52:29 and investigate would be able to see that it was, I mean, this is just basically what he called the Meat Grinder Genocide. Well, that's not his opinion. That's just a fact. You have to be an idiot to deny that. Russia's losses have been fairly low. This is an artillery in a drone war, but an air war is for Russia's concerned. They've avoided, you know, Ukrainians have set up shop in the cities, knowing full well that Russia won't attack them there. But now everything has broken down. Their command and control is broken down. They have very little ammunition. They have no fuel. It's been the case for a very long time. The private military companies from Russia are taking the bulk of the losses, Wagner and a handful of others, but in Russia's rotating troops here, so they're always going to be fresh and trained and everything else. Ukraine can't leave this meat grinder, as you meant, and that's actually the term they used for, to throw men who they know are going to be killed, to send equipment that they know is going to be vaporized, there has to be an expectation. explanation for that. Obviously, it doesn't make any sense financially, militarily, or any other way. And I'm definitely willing to argue that that's the reason, that to depopulate these areas. Remember, one of the most anti-Jewish countries in the world up until recently was Ukraine. You know, our kind of talk, Holocaust, everything, that's, that's day-to-day discussion there. And the same thing goes for Russia. The Orthodoxy, the ritual murder of Tsar Nicholas II shows, is a the enemy. Rome is the enemy. Kiev used to call itself the New Jerusalem in the Middle Ages. Russia, of course, is Moscow is the third Rome. This is, and it's extremely upsetting because Ukraine, up until the war started, had the best educated population in the world. The highest percentage of citizens with advanced degrees are there and heavily towards the sciences, everything from electronics to chemistry. extremely well-educated population.
Starting point is 00:54:41 They could have been one of the dominant economic powers in Europe if they went with the Russian deal rather than the EU deal. There is nothing left. Ukraine doesn't have an economy. And that's been the case for a very long time. So the tragedy here exists at numerous levels. And if anything, it shows the evil of the current regime, the current ruling class globally.
Starting point is 00:55:04 It's this. who is that that idiot Lindsay Graham that piece of garbage said something like at this stage in the war this is just about killing as many Russians as possible and yeah he's he's stupid you know he's a figurehead
Starting point is 00:55:22 he's a half whit I think maybe he's a little mentally challenged he's very devious though he kind of let the cat out of the bag that's exactly what this is about and they're good either way you know, Ukrainian military created by the U.S. is a gollum, no different than the American military is, or the Polish military was many centuries ago. You know, the gollum idea is extremely important.
Starting point is 00:55:48 So, yeah, it's extremely depressing because it's had 2014 not happened, really 2004 hadn't happened. And Kiev went its natural route towards the Eurasian Economic Union. You would have a powerhouse country. you can mean the Soviet Union was a powerhouse there wasn't just the the agricultural center it was what was the biggest electronic center of the Soviet Union
Starting point is 00:56:12 and the the rape of the country in the 90s from the oligarchy now the rape today from the oligarchy for the very for this mindless you know blatant military defeat it's
Starting point is 00:56:28 oh it reminds me of like In 1943, when both Japan and Germany and a little bit afterwards had sued for peace and was told to go to hell, because they were only going to be satisfied with the total annihilation of these powers. The war could have been over much sooner. The Germans had feelers out all over the place, as did the Japanese. Of course, it wasn't popular in Japan, but it was definitely an option. They sent out feelers what we can resolve. And, of course, they said no. they had to incinerate the countries before they were able to deal with whatever's left.
Starting point is 00:57:03 So this isn't anything new here. And everybody wants to get bogged down into the conversation of whether Putin is a good guy or whether all these things that really have nothing to do with it. And no one wants to talk about the, you know, why this is happening, why this pit place in particular. and, you know, was this the, you know, how long is this plan been going on? It's just, it really is frustrating for anybody who, I mean, this is, your whole life has been about this section of the world. I've only been looking at this section of the world for 10 years and I'm utterly frustrated
Starting point is 00:57:47 and I can just imagine where you're at this point. Oh, yeah, I can't really watch any mainstream media discussion. because I cringe to the point where I could have a stroke. You know, these city and town names that these people haven't never heard of until very recently. Now they're talking about it's their, it's their day to day, their day to day life. All the lies of 2022 about, you know, the Russian defeat and all that, you know, they're still maintaining it despite the fact that even NATO says this is this is an absolute disaster. lying about casualties you know casualties
Starting point is 00:58:28 from the sources I have both in Ukraine and Russia Ukrainian dead are about 650,000 they were you know admitting 250,000 in November of last year and it's gotten much worse since then this is why the casualty
Starting point is 00:58:44 figures are a state secret they may never release them and you know because how long are these boys going to continue to go how long is the high command, they continue to send them to certain death. I mean, how many purges in the officer corps has occurred at least one or two, at least two, I should say, since February of, of 22? Zolensky is well aware that he is despised, if for no other reason than this, the shutting
Starting point is 00:59:14 down of political parties, all media that was even vaguely pro-Russian churches, eliminating all labor right, deliminating all, you know, God, it's going to be another 10 years. It's going to be 75 now where you have to get any kind of pension with a worthless currency, no less. And they wondered why Crimea wants to be a part of Rowe. The East wants to be a part of Russia. No one wants to be a part of this sinking ship. But again, it's short-termism. They stripped every bit of asset they had to pay the debts going back to the 90s, to remain a part of the Western
Starting point is 00:59:52 system and of course the industry was located in the east which is not under Kiev's control so what do they have left the only thing of value that they had until fairly recently was the land which is why in my work I'm doing on this topic of changing the land laws and bringing the GMO Western corporations to buy the black earth areas up is very important but that's a finite resource so that means the ultimate value that Ukraine can use to pay its ridiculous debt to the western bankers is blood that's all it has it's it's finally useful the west doesn't need anything ukraine makes the east may but but not the west what does ukraine give that the west can't do itself um this is it it's existence because of this
Starting point is 01:00:43 you know it's a colonial government there they have no independence they haven't had a long time um Zelensky was installed by the U.S., that's the last, the only thing, the only use that Ukraine has to the regime is being this golem against the Russian Federation. Now that there's no more assets to sell or to privatize, the blood of its boys and justice boys and men are on the chopping block, and that's all they have. Well, I told you I'd keep it at an hour, and I hope that if you enjoyed the questions and the conversation, you'll come back in the future and we'll talk about other subjects that I know that you're just so well-versed on, but please remind everybody where they can find your work and where they can support you. Well, searching for my full name, in quotes, is probably the best thing you can do.
Starting point is 01:01:48 But Radio Albion, just RadioAlbion.org or something like that, can bring you pretty much whatever you need. TheOrthodox Nationalist. Wordpress.com, which was set up by Radio Albion, is probably the bed. I know in your description you'll have these links here. And that way you can, you know, there are books, their essays, their ways to donate, all that kind of thing. because this is a full-time job. This isn't a part-time matter. And even as a full-time job,
Starting point is 01:02:21 I get hard to keep up with everything I have to. And I depend on the goodwill of my listeners to function. So I lost my PayPal account a year ago, a year and a half ago, for this very reason. And so I've had to go to other providers. But, you know, there's always going to be another provider out there. so um um and my website rushjournal.org which i promise i'm going to start keeping up with has a lot of this stuff on it on it as well so um but radio albion is my main uh base right now
Starting point is 01:02:58 and uh and that's the best way to get in touch with me or or um to buy a book or something i appreciate it dr johnson thank you very much i had a good time you could contact me any time. I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekignano show, returning, and I'm really happy to have him here, especially at this time. Dr. Matthew Raphael Johnson. How are you doing today, Dr. Johnson? You know, I'm happy to be here, too. You're very good at what you do, and you know how to handle guys like me in terms of questioning and responses. So I always look forward to this. I'm glad you contacted me again. I'm doing okay. I'm doing all right. Right. Good. I appreciate that. And let me, sometimes interviews, it's, you can just store softballs out there, underhand pitches. First thing I wanted to do was I wanted to get your take on the current, the current goings on in Palestine.
Starting point is 01:03:59 Well, I've been a student of nationalism, my entire adult life. Usually what happens in my personal life is when I go away somewhere, there's usually a massive, um political event back even back to 1990 when the gulf war started um i was on a cruise somewhere my parents um my honeymoon was when the russia war started the first day we leave to go down south um this war starts this has been going on almost every time um so i was just wondering at which which event's going to occur this time and I wasn't disappointed. Don't forget, the Israelis just spent quite a bit of time over the summer leveling much of the West Bank. And I know that there's a theory out there, which I'm willing to be wrong on because it's so early, but that Israel was well aware of this, knew about it, and almost encouraged it, and they list a whole bunch of reasons.
Starting point is 01:05:03 And I think it's a bit too early to jump to that conclusion because I think if this really was planned, it was an idiotic. It's an idiotic plan. It's true that Israel would occasionally lean to Hamas, just like they used to lean to Iran, for the sake of dividing their opponents, although even that failed. As of right the second, I'm of the opinion that whatever temporary use Hamas may have had. had in challenging the Palestinian authority, Israel was really caught in a security breach in this case. And there's actually very good reasons to believe that. But even if, you know, there's money that's been funneled to them, that's true, although it was from Qatar.
Starting point is 01:05:53 And Netanyahu has made statements that suggest, you know, some years ago that Hamas was something that was useful. That's a far cry. from saying, A, that it was the creation of Israel, like ISIS was. And, you know, the way that ISIS and Hamas operator are two completely different things. ISIS is most certainly a Western creation. Hamas is constantly a thorn in Israel's side, largely because it's so well off. It doesn't need Israeli money. It doesn't need Israeli support.
Starting point is 01:06:28 So I've been irritated. And right now, even like Paul Craig Roberts is talking about this, only in the most tentative, tentative way. I have a few issues with the general theory, and then the main one is that it takes away any agency or competence from Hamas. These people have been fighting the Israelis every single day for now decades and decades. It's like they've learned nothing. You know, they can't figure out that there's an Israeli side to this. They can't figure out the weaknesses in Israeli security.
Starting point is 01:07:05 You know, they're like prisoners in a federal penitentiary. All they do all day long is look for weaknesses in the guards. And that's exactly what happened here. You know, even though Hamas is occasionally useful for Israel, there's no way. Nottingahu thought this was going to unify the country. It didn't. There is no way he thought that he's going to use this to take Gaza, which he won't. And some of the arguments, at least so far, are very weak.
Starting point is 01:07:34 I'm the first one to look at all the anomalies in this, like a 9-11, the Arrow Air flight, the story, which I broke, 1285, the U.S.S. Liberty for the 80s. And, you know, the arguments are right now still tentative. My God, Hamas is so advanced that they even have their own rocket factory. And it's really tough for Israel to do much about it because they're often in popular. areas and since when does Israel need an invasion to level an occupied territory last time all they needed was a few rockets now they needed an invasion I think the Israeli casualties are now 2,500 or something like that military they're admitting there's something like 500 right now there's no way Israel can occupy the Gaza Strip there's no place for these people to go it would be
Starting point is 01:08:27 10 times worth the Northern Ireland was for the for the for the brinket British, but the divisions among Palestinians are normal. It's like in the Jewish case. And the comments that Netanyahu made would automatically imply that in any kind of invasion, they would blame him, which is exactly what they're doing. Right now, 80% of Israelis believe that Netanyahu is incompetent, if not behind it, then certainly did nothing to stop it. So if his real goal was to unify the country and all the rest, guaranteeing that he's
Starting point is 01:09:00 guarantee American assistance. Well, there was guaranteed to that anyway. He was really bad at it. The truth is that you know, Amos is not to his street thugs. Their main mission is to take all the social services. They are the main, if not the only
Starting point is 01:09:16 social services provider in Gaza Strip. They're very literate. They're educated. They're sophisticated. They're very well funded. They have many economic interests all over the the Arab world. but you know they have these two missions feed the population of Gaza and probe for weaknesses
Starting point is 01:09:35 in Israeli defenses and the assumption that they needed Israeli assistance or that they deliberately stood down is I don't I don't think it's true but they have no capacity to act independently but I do believe that this would have if you're going to attack somebody you attack them when they're out their weakest and this the Israeli society is now so divided over the summer it became mainstream to criticize Israel so what do they do they bomb a Ghazan hospital
Starting point is 01:10:09 it doesn't it doesn't make any sense they don't need an invasion to justify anything they don't really need anything to justify anything um yeah I think Israel has assassinated seven major leaders just over the last five years of Hamas ISIS of course is more obvious
Starting point is 01:10:27 because they will never attack an American or an Israeli outpost of any kinds. They only attack enemies of the U.S. But Amaz is constantly harassing the settler population. The level of violence in Israel over the last year and a half, roughly, has skyrocketed. One of the reasons that the Israeli forces were away from that part of the fence was over the Sukkut, celebration in the Yitzar region, the northern West Bank, settler violence is out of control. So the local military authorities with the approval of Netanyahu ordered two of the three army battalions that are guarding that part of the fence to go north to protect the Sukkot Festival
Starting point is 01:11:15 that's going on up there. Essentially, it's a settler festival. And there's been, I think, over the last couple of years, something like 2,500 acts of violence from the settlers around there. But even at the best of times, the Israeli security services are stretched razor thin. You know, the invasion couldn't have come in a worse time. And this doesn't benefit the prime minister. The Hamas has proven themselves just like Hezbollah did as very competent soldiers. But, you know, Israel didn't require an invasion to justify leveling God. They haven't over the last 20 years.
Starting point is 01:12:01 All they need is a couple of rockets or even do it themselves. Now, Israel didn't consider that everyone's going to know, or it really is the case that he allowed this. Everyone's going to know that. He's made public statements years ago that Hamas was a great counterweight to the Palestinian Authority. Even though they've come to an agreement over the last 15 years, they're not constant opponents. Hamas isn't this rejectionist group like Hezbollah is So
Starting point is 01:12:32 For all those reasons And the fact that this can go so badly wrong Hezbollah has now mobilized A lot of the Arab states Who have been financing Hamas for a long time Are turning on Israel Just as their economic empire was going to grow And
Starting point is 01:12:53 I just at the mom moment, and I could be wrong about this, but at the moment, I have no good reason to believe that Israel permitted this to happen. After the leveling of the West Bank, that parting at where Janine is, Hamas was simply engaging in a preemptive attack to keep that from happening to them. I have a friend right now who's in Lebanon, and he reported last week that the IDF was actually firing upon the Lebanese armed forces, which they've never, as far as he told me, and as far as I know, they've never fired upon them before.
Starting point is 01:13:37 It's always Hezbollah. So what would be, what is the purpose of this, where it seems they have to worry about Hezbollah at this time, but it seems like they're picking a fight to go even further. I forget the American general who said Hezbollah had superior infantry to the IDF. Hezbollah defeated the South Lebanon Army. I think that was roughly around 2000. It was the biggest defeat that Israel ever had to deal with.
Starting point is 01:14:10 And Hezbollah was able to establish themselves as a ginormous party in Lebanon. It's difficult to tell so early why Israel, you know they can't count on American backing they know that American military supplies material is at critical critically low levels you certainly can't depend on a zombie like Joe Biden and certainly that idiot defense secretary especially given what's happened in Israel over the last I'd say roughly two years then Yahoo has painted himself into a corner he's an extremely weak position and now you have pretty much almost everybody except a handful of republicans criticizing Israel over Netanyahu's judicial reforms which I dealt with a while ago you know because of this Netanyahu is not in a position to dictate events I don't think any of this ultimately is in his interest unless he has some secret assurance that the U.S. is going to do so. something about it. The Turks are extremely upset over this. He forced all allies to become
Starting point is 01:15:26 enemies overnight. Does he think that this is going to be one apocalyptic war? I'm not ready to make that statement yet, especially given his position. And given the death toll so far, I think Netanyahu's political career is over. Something that we talked about before we started recording was just how much of Protestant Christianity in this country just supports anything Israel does, just no matter how horrific at this point. And I don't want to turn this into a Protestant bashing. But I know you've been on vacation. I don't know if you've been able to look at social media. But it seems like this time, more than any other, the huge proponents of Israel, I mean, the cheerleaders, the Zionists, the Ben Shapiro's of the world, they are desperate and their voices are almost desperate in this while this is happening. And it seems like the pushback that they're getting where you're just seeing so many more people who are so much much more confident in saying, no, we're not going to fight these Jewish wars anymore. If you're talking about how Netanyahu is not
Starting point is 01:16:49 getting the support he needs is, is the American public starting to catch on and say, no, this isn't our problem? Well, the left, which is the same thing as the regime in the West, but maybe earlier this year, had a severe problem. On the one hand, they're terrified to criticize Jews, but on the other hand, given that Yahoo's policy and his reforms that, you know, destroyed his international standing, he promoted all of these fringe extreme Zionist parties to positions of prominence. That's how the Lakud maintains its, it's very, very thin, knescent majority.
Starting point is 01:17:42 So that means he's imposing what we would call right-wing, although from a Jewish point of view, religious policies all over the country and the dam broke i noticed it early last summer where you had left this from all over the place condemning netanyahu primarily because i mean he tried to nullify what you know it's not quite that simple but nullifying the separation of powers and he's trying to keep himself out of prison because he's looking at a serious trial concerning the Israeli media of all things. So all of a sudden, it became very mainstream to criticize Israel. Now, let me give you one example here.
Starting point is 01:18:27 I think you probably know about this, but Marco Rubio, who is a piece of garbage of the first magnitude, I want to quote him directly. He was asked by Jake Tapper, you know, who's an idiot. He thinks that, you know, he's asking. him is there a way to destroy Hamats without creating millions of casualties there's 2 million people live there 2.5 million people and a million of them are children so rubio said this yeah i don't think there's any way Israel can be expected to coexist or find some diplomatic off ramp with these savages i mean these people as you've been reporting and others have seen that deliberately targeted teenage girls women children the elderly horrifying things i don't think we know the full extent of it yet i mean there's more to come the days and weeks ahead. You can't exist. They have to be eradicated. Now, we expect that kind of stuff from idiots like him, but that's how far away. And of course, a lot of what he said was nonsense. There's a few people at a kibbutz that claim that the IDF was shooting them,
Starting point is 01:19:33 that they were fairly well treated by Hamas when they came over the border. So, but whether whether or not, you know, this separates coming out and saying what the Zionists, we're saying 70 years ago, that these aren't human, and saying this in public, saying this on CNN, well, we all know that people like Rubio and that idiot governor of Florida, who now wants to ban any anti-Israel social media post, you know, this, this is not going to be acceptable and thinking that he could say this openly, because he gets, you know, he's reliant on Jewish money. Given the context over the last six, nine months, it's an absolute disaster. And don't, you know, don't fall into the error that these guys, whether it be Hamas, Hezbollah, are just these thugs who don't know anything. They're first-rate soldiers. The U.S. military admitted that as far as Hezbollah was concerned when they defeated the South Lebanon Army, among many other things. This is a sophisticated operation. they're extremely motivated
Starting point is 01:20:44 now the Israelis are a different story I don't know if they're so happy about supporting Netanyahu the career soldiers versus the reservists who are totally untrained by the way and now having to go all over the place protecting settlers from Arab violence you know again it's put not just Netanyahu but Israel and Zionism
Starting point is 01:21:09 in a terrible position if this is something that Rubio's going to yell at Jake Tapper. It definitely seems like there is a message out there of you're either 100% on the side of Israel and any kind of, if you have taken any half measures, if you equivocate it at all and you, you know, like when people bring up World War II and the Germans, if you start talking about Holodomor, they start losing their minds. It really seems like at this point, they're going so far over the top with if you are not 100% on board with Israel, you are an anti-Semite. You want to see another Holocaust. And they're comparing this. They're saying this is like they're 9-11 and they're doing things like using per capita
Starting point is 01:22:10 of numbers, oh, if you take the amount of people who were killed them the first day and you compare it to the population, it's way worse than 9-11. The desperation, I think, is very clear. Well, when Israel used white phosphorus in the Gaza Strip from 2004, 2008, 2014, all the wars I'm forgetting about over there, it turned the place into an open air. gas chamber. You know, if you've seen pictures of burns from white phosphorus. Now, international law doesn't mean anything to me or to anybody,
Starting point is 01:22:49 but that is chemical warfare if it's used against civilian populations, which is exactly what they do. Now, when the settlers started killing kids, now they've been doing that for a long time, but recently, it's gone through the roof just over the last five years. Let's make sure everybody understands that when you say
Starting point is 01:23:10 settlers you're talking about Israelis. Well, yeah, yeah, settler with a capital S. I'm talking about the most militant Jews who go into Arab territory and set up, you know, they don't work, they don't do anything, set up a camp, which automatically means that the Israeli military has to surround it to protect them from millions of Arabs, which is a terrible job. And because they're so militant, I mean, they're simply stealing land. They usually move into Palestinian homes that they've thrown out.
Starting point is 01:23:43 They are the most militant. And they've been an embarrassment for Israel except for now. Because these parties that are allied with Netanyahu, they're all settler party. That is the most obnoxious. But when they kill kids, nothing was ever done about it because the chief rabbi. I don't remember if it was the Ashkenazi or the Sephardic one said, look, the Talmud. says that we all know these kids are going to grow up to be enemies and they even cited a passage saying you can kill kids if you're certain that that's that's the case um and that
Starting point is 01:24:21 you know that became mainstream for a while i can't believe people are talking about the talmud who never heard about it before uh because of that of that they mean it's really hard you're they're pushing to the point where and of course yeah the black and white thinking that's been their issue for a long time uh the entire country is based on mythology and lies and and terrorism and the talmud is the perfect set of books if you want to if you want to justify this kind of thing now people will say that this war is a nanyahu's interest because um they rally around the flag but that didn't happen people are blaming him people are people are hate him now more than ever and these war crimes
Starting point is 01:25:05 in gods are just like the west bank a few months ago are so blatant in public, nothing here benefits him. I mean, he couldn't have considered how badly this can go. He knows exactly how advanced Hamas is. This is not something that he can easily handle, especially in the fall of 2023. Israel's tearing apart at the seams as of a few months ago. None of this benefited him.
Starting point is 01:25:34 And he had to have known that at some level. I just think Hamas said Israel is in serious trouble. The U.S. is, you know, bankrupt, of course, but doesn't have the military equipment like they used to. Stocks are so low. And given what's happened in the West Bank, maybe this is a time. They're very popular in the West Bank. They win every election. I'm sorry, the Gaza Strip.
Starting point is 01:25:58 They completely rendered Fatah irrelevant, even though now they're semi-allies or they were before the war. stockpiling weapons or either from the sea or from Egypt they've been doing that for so many years they're experienced guerrilla fighters and all this nonsense the minute they start using rhetoric like that 9-11 with us or against us you know Holocaust nonsense you know that they have a very bad case and you're starting to see Protestants all over the place converting at least to some variant of a non-Zion, not an anti-Zionist, but a non-Zionist point of view because of the acts of Netanyahu in numerous areas. When you mention that settlers are killing kids, what somebody is going to come back and say is that somebody from the Palestinians, someone from Hamas is up there, they're throwing rocks, they're doing things.
Starting point is 01:26:58 And then when the Israelis fight back, they hold up kids in front of them. Basically, the whole Hamas uses children and civilians as human shields. Can you address that? I don't think these people realize what's happening here. The campaign against the West Bank over the summer, and certainly the Gaza Strip, you have millions and millions of people living in a very tiny area. human shields are just a part of the part of the job
Starting point is 01:27:31 there's nothing you could do about it it's not like there's tons of empty space these guys operate I mean this is exactly what the Ukrainians were doing in the early years or early months of the war in 2022 that's why they took up positions in the cities
Starting point is 01:27:47 but that also implies that groups like this have no problem with murdering their own kids and in the past even if that's happened, I mean, the Israelis have done it too. The Israelis, and even in the Goldstone report, Israelis were using Palestinian children to keep, to draw Palestinian fire away from them. And so this is a certain level of projection, but it implies that these people are, you know, willing to kill their own kids. And it's not, to the extent, it ever was used.
Starting point is 01:28:21 It's not particularly successful, and it makes them look terrible. And winning over hearts and minds has been a central, at least both Hamas in the one hand and Hezbollah and the other, not so much the PA, but the U.S. financed the Palestinian Authority for a while, especially in the media realm. You know, it implies that the American media, which is almost completely Jewish, is reporting these things accurately. the Israelis have killed thousands and thousands of children over the years to think that they would just have no problem sacrificing more is nonsense that would destroy the political foundation of these groups and you know Hamas levies taxes you know they have strong institutions all over the Gaza Strip they need and they're considered the most non-corrupt organization
Starting point is 01:29:15 in the you know in the occupied territories which is why they They won the election in 2006 and maintained control and became very popular. I think the Israelis see Hamas as an asset only in the sense that because they handle all the social services, they keep a lid on the anger. The rage is always going to be there, but the anger that will come from starvation because turning off the water and turning off the electricity, that's pretty normal. Israel does that all the time. They don't need an invasion to do that. But there you have, especially with white phosphorus, a war on children. And settlers, again, these aren't countries.
Starting point is 01:30:04 In fact, I'm not entirely sure what the administrations and the West Bank or the Gaza Strip are. They're ruling entities of some kind or another. Israel, on the other hand, is a well-off country. however with you know just a few million people um everybody is being mobilized today so you automatically have asymmetric warfare you know people talk like you know Israel Hamas is like two countries fighting each other no it has it's more like the U.S. Army attacking a Starbucks far more than than two countries there's no countries there the institutions are rudimentary and require popularity so the human shields
Starting point is 01:30:46 nonsense. That goes back to the Iraq war and all the propaganda, beheading babies, all that stuff. The World War I propaganda is still being used today, knowing for well that people are stupid enough to buy it. Some will say, and a lot of people have been saying that why should we be worried about water and electricity being shut off? These Palestinians, these people in Gaza, they're terrorists they're all they exist to do is to kill Jews
Starting point is 01:31:22 and they basically are in line with the worst Wahhabists on the planet and that is I've seen Christians evangelical Christians
Starting point is 01:31:37 saying that that is the excuse that's needed to just turn it into glass and that these people they're they're not people are saying that they're not human so if they're not human you know we know people who have been deemed not human before and then you can do anything you want with them people that's done by many sides in history especially in the 20th century these all these people are terrorists there as soon as they're born all they're taught to do is to hate Jews and to want to kill Jews. So why would we, why would we let them
Starting point is 01:32:18 live? So are they, are they asking me to defend their humanity? I mean, I don't think that these people believe that they're human. So I guess the question I would ask you is, Are these people brought up to hate Jews to become terrorists and to, you know, basically be a net negative on that area and the world in general? Because right now, the West is most, a lot of people, especially on the right and on the hard right, are most concerned that these people are going to end up having to be evacuated and they're going to end up in Western countries. and we are just going to see an increase of what we've seen in England and Sweden, Germany, France, places like that. Well, that's an entirely separate issue. The IDF, you know, what you're saying, and I know exactly what you're talking about, and who these people are, but that's been the official IDF, the official Zionist point of view, for decades.
Starting point is 01:33:31 There's nothing new about that. And the Lakud was based on the Urgun, one morphed into the other. That's been their militant point of view for a very long time. And certainly their policies reflected. The use of the word terrorists, of course, is something that wasn't used nearly as much decades ago. It has an emotional punch to it, but it doesn't really mean a whole lot. they don't have to be brought up to hate Jews they just do they're living in a refugee camp for generations with very little in terms of a functional economy constant blockades by the
Starting point is 01:34:13 Israeli those people see everything from the Israeli point of view and sometimes don't realize just how absurd that is they also don't realize that these areas contain maybe 5% Christians. And certainly they do in Jerusalem. Orthodoxy O'Marionite. They just think that they're just one big mass. And that's what comes down to dehumanization. It's like how the regime destroyed American farming by calling them rednecks and hicks. Complete utter dehumanization. And it makes it easier to control them. Same thing. The Soviets did that to the peasants rebelling against them. That they're savages. That they're never going to. going to be reconciled and therefore they have to they have to go but a materialist can get away
Starting point is 01:35:02 with that and on top of it all to think that there's any ethnic or religious connection between the group of you know Poles and Russian Turks who moved to Israel starting in the 1920s or you know Palestine as far as 1920s and the Israelites of old is is laughable you know they talk about our people as if, you know, how inbred they would be if, if this is the same group of people over time, they're not that many of them. These have, these people have no right either theologically or ethnically to be there. It's two totally different groups of people. You know, all the empires are the societies that adopted Judaism long after, long after Christ, not just Qasaria. But again, that's also going too far afield. It's really a tough one to
Starting point is 01:35:53 answer because you're not really used to deciding whether or not someone's human. That's really hard to, that's really hard to quantify. But the easiest way to talk about it is everything here is seen from the Israeli point of view. And you notice it's only where the Jews are concerned that these issues are justified. It's not justified anywhere else. You know, it's like you could slaughter Germans after World War II on Mars. But because it was in the service of Judaism, it's okay. Anywhere else. That would be a huge problem. So you're talking about the special pleading that's institutionalized amongst American academics and journalists. Your neighbors aren't reading your memes. If you want to counter demoralization where it counts most, your community,
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Starting point is 01:38:09 ancient blood feud I think you've already answered that or is it something that is just basically you came here and pushed us off our land and yeah and like as I've been saying saying lately, I mean, they pushed them off the land, they pushed them off the land and then they let them stay there, which seems to me that you're, you keep your hostages right there and they're always going to hate you. And to me, that lends credence to the theory that the reason they keep them there is because if they have somebody right next to them that's hating them and always attacking them, they can keep up with this victim consciousness that they've built before World War II, but definitely since and has gripped the West since World
Starting point is 01:39:05 War II. I can't fathom the level of ignorance someone has to have in order to make an argument like that. It just requires almost a knowing blocking out of just mountains of information. Because of the nature of censorship, whether it be on the Jewish issue or anything else, Normies only get a very small percentage of the actual data available for any question. So much is blocked out. Entire points of view are blocked out. And as you probably know, the EU, I know a few governments in Denmark and I think Germany are
Starting point is 01:39:43 banning any references to Hamas except as as savages, which has become the norm now. But to think that these are the same, I mean, Islam didn't show up until the, you know, until centuries after Christ. So I don't know how that fits into it. I've written extensively on the connections between Jewry and Islam in its formative years, even when Muhammad was still alive. He was heavily influenced by Jews in his area. There's such a mixed area where he's from. But very few people know who the Khazars were. I think at this point, I've had to defend that thesis a few times.
Starting point is 01:40:27 Arthur Kessler, among many, many, many others, the explosion of the Jewish population in starting a really turn of the first millennium comes from the conversion of the Caucasus peoples in the Khazar Empire to Talmud. of Judaism as a way to differentiate themselves from the Orthodox in the one hand and the Muslims on the other and it was very much a trading slave-dealing merchant economy that was finally smashed by the Kievan state not too long before the turn of the first millennium that's the group of people that flooded Europe they don't speak Hebrew they speak Yidders which is an amyglam of Turkish and several other, you know, German, some Slavic words in there.
Starting point is 01:41:16 You know, when the Israeli settlers first started to come to mandated Palestine in the 1920s and afterwards, they had no conception of Hebrew. They had to relearn it. Everyone who goes there has to relearn it. It was a dead language by that point. Everything about this is completely artificial. So the Talmud, as I think many of your listeners know, is the total negation of the Old Testament. It's a pagan, idolatrous sect, but the connection between what we call Jews and the rabbis who are Talmudists, even in the Middle Ages, when someone was referred to as a Jew, it was automatically a Talmudist, non-Talmud of Jews, like the Samarans, whatever, care rights, were not included in that. and it's because of the mythanthropic ideas found in the Talmud that and of course as I already mentioned it's being used to justify the killing of children the hedges around the law the legalese that that Jews were able to accomplish in justifying policies that could be tolerated nowhere else derived from that Talmudic mentality it's a huge set of books and it is the core of Judaism and I
Starting point is 01:42:32 I've been through tons of it many, many, many times, but it is the core constitution of the IDF. And so they have no problem engaging in everything that Americans think that the Muslims do. And that's how we know that this is a totally different group of people here. They have no roots in the area. Now, up until recently, there was the New Khazaria movement, which is supposed to be in eastern Ukraine. course, that's over now. You had hundreds of settlers from Israel going to Ukraine. The very largest synagogue complex in the world is in eastern Ukraine. This was going to be the core, a brand new civilization because Israel was just unworkable. And the IDF paid for a lot of this stuff.
Starting point is 01:43:26 A lot of the Jewish oligarchs in Ukraine created this. They even call themselves Kagan's. the former title of the Khazar Empire, leader of the Khazar Empire. But now the war has destroyed that in Russia. So now they have to double down on the Israeli thing, which is why Jews were so obsessed with the defeat of Russia in the war. Although Israel was iffy, one way or the other, given the nature of the Kiev government. Jews despise both sides, in other words. so these are the people who showed up in the 1920s they're not the same people as the israelites not
Starting point is 01:44:05 theologically or ethnically and previously you had mentioned you said the term ergon and something that i've been talking a little bit about lately is the fact that israel the people in israel right now the leadership they decry terrorism they you know call it the how could you possibly target civilians and I think that maybe there's a topic we can talk about in the future and just touch on right now but I think most people don't realize that a lot of terrorism and targeting of innocence was carried out by radical Zionist groups and irgun was one of them. In other words, the foundation of the Zionist state was terrorism.
Starting point is 01:45:04 That's absolutely true because Britain still had its empire after World War II, briefly. It had many investments in Arab areas. And after the war, the Zionist movement, which is very wealthy, started to pour into mandatory Palestine. controlled by the British post-Ottoman Empire. And it caused riots. It caused extreme violence. They came here very arrogant. They, you know, created their own little economic world and committed violent acts constantly.
Starting point is 01:45:44 The British were in a terrible position because, you know, they didn't want to alienate all the Arabs. They didn't want to alienate their own Arab population. and their influence over the economy. They didn't want to piss off the oil-producing areas. And a handful of Jews with really nothing really for them to live on except subsidies was a disaster to them. But that's where the terrorism against the British came from. Terrorism against the Arabs was day-to-day. Terrorism against the British, this is an empire that just bled itself in defeating Hitler.
Starting point is 01:46:24 And that isn't sufficient because they didn't move quickly enough in subsidizing their new state in the Middle East after the white paper of 1939 saying that it's probably not, given there so many Arabs. But as the Jews continued to pour into the area, they formed organizations. The Haganah was the main one. And that was a more mainstream one. But breaking off was the Ergun and the Lehi. Lehi actually was talking about an alliance with Germany for a long time concerning the transfer agreement. But Ergun was much larger. And let's say in 1945, the height was 1946, you had a tremendous campaign of terror against the British.
Starting point is 01:47:16 this just it just never never ended and it culminated in the explosion at the King David Hotel in July 22nd of 46 and you know it's not only the killing of people but they destroyed the infrastructure there the Jewish militants had you know the night of the bridges the night of the the the night of the the the the the night of the airports, night of the trains, and all of this was the destruction of those institutions that existed probably from the British and mandatory Palestine. So they were going to render it impossible to live there, knowing full well that they could be subsidized from abroad.
Starting point is 01:48:05 There was no lack of money. You know, the Rothschild family really bought much of that land to begin with and financed it. The Jewish agency, which was the main Zionist organization, wasn't happy. with any of this. But even, you know, people like Yusak Shamir, who was Prime Minister of Israel in the 90s, was a part of the, part of the year good. And the King David Hotel, you killed roughly 100 people, civilians. That was the document center of mandatory Palestine. And there was no warning given, although they claimed that. And it really, it drove the Jewish agency or the sinus agency insane it was a terrible thing and people even know what happened
Starting point is 01:48:51 but they justify it they had this plaque a few years ago back when samir was still alive that said um for reasons only unknown or only known to themselves britain refused to heed any warnings that we're going to blow this place up um which is of course absurd if there were such a warning it would have been removed this was a center of of british government in the area but this became the most famous but they were doing this anywhere they could they killed hundreds
Starting point is 01:49:20 of British soldiers and God knows how many Palestinian Arab Arab civilians and their cause of course was establishing a state there pure purely Jewish
Starting point is 01:49:33 ethnically racially pure and attacking the British because they weren't too keen on just Jews pouring into the area because as they well knew that would make it ungovernable. And they had to deal with millions of Arabs and, you know, a few thousand Jews. But that was perfectly acceptable to the initial crop of Jewish settlers from the 40s to the establishment of Israel in 1948.
Starting point is 01:50:01 So, yes, it was founded on terrorism. It was founded on genocide. Israel is the first state that you can claim was based on the, of, obsession with ethnic and ritual purity at the expense of everyone else in the area and certainly at the expense of the U.S. Yeah, the old ditty about a land without a land without a people for a people without a land. That's a good piece of propaganda that you will still see non-Jews defending them with. Well, to this day, Jews are divided.
Starting point is 01:50:47 A lot of the old orthodox are anti-Zionists because they claim that only in messianic times is Zionism possible. Now, they differ on whether that's the case now or not. But especially as the war against the British continued in the mid to late 40s in Palestine, You know, the issue was just so overwhelming that it didn't make any difference. Terrorism was the central conception. They don't call themselves that, although the Ergoon actually did call themselves a terrorist organization because in the mid-40s, it didn't have the connotation it does today, they deliberately targeted civilian areas, not just British soldiers.
Starting point is 01:51:40 but at the time of the war in Palestine probably still a minority of Jews believed in Zionism that changed a bit later you're always going to have that hardcore essentially the ascetics in Jerusalem who absolutely despise the Zionist entity despite being on welfare from them so maybe 30% of Jews were very interested in Zionism at the time the U.S. was run by Jews, very privileged from the beginning
Starting point is 01:52:09 Although the oil companies were iffy about it for very obvious reasons, people like James Forrestall really counseled against the partition plan, which would have created Israel as an ethnic unit, which, by the way, you know, in and of itself, I have no difficulty with. Of course, what I have difficulty, I mean, I'm anti-Zionist and only in the sense, not that they don't have a right to self-determination. every ethnic group has that the racial group has that it has more to do with the lifeline to the United States that countries that didn't have to be enemies became enemy
Starting point is 01:52:49 because of the arrogance of the Zionists in the area you know you simply plot a group of foreigners in an area populated by millions of Palestinians and expect nothing to happen no they were quite willing and able they were armed they were armed in Europe and they were armed in the Mideast
Starting point is 01:53:07 and terrorism, violence was at the core of Zionism still is. You mentioned James Forrestal there and his death is rather suspicious. Well, he was one of the last holdouts in my paper on the Soviet support of Zionism. I talk about the threats that were made against him, And it wasn't, you know, Felix Frankfuruk and Morgenthau were the three people that were pressuring the U.S. government. And they had connections with the Rothschild.
Starting point is 01:53:48 They had connections with the Zionist movement. And they threatened Forrestall. Actually, it was Baruch, who said, if you don't, actually, it was February 3rd, 1948. Baru confronted him because Forrestal said we can't alienate all these people the people who were invested heavily in yeah of course the West controlled all the oil wells but they could still be burnt
Starting point is 01:54:12 he said you know America is going to be perpetually at war with the Arab states if the U.S. supported Jewish interests without any reservation which of course Zionism is based on whether or not it could function without the U.S. is a different story so forestall went to the secretary of state marshal and said let's bring this straight to harry truman
Starting point is 01:54:35 and the state department at the time said that the plan for dividing Palestine is impossible that would require genocide but forestall was identified by the various jewish organizations as the main hindrance to the u.s. backing of zionism despite the lavish soviet support especially diplomat of the Zionist movement in 1948, the Soviet Union was in no position to finance the
Starting point is 01:55:05 Israelis. They had lost everything in World War II thanks to Stalin. German invasion was preemptive. But on the third, Bernard Baruch confronted him and said, if you didn't shut up, and the quote is, your own interests will be now under threat. That's a direct quote from forestall himself and it frightened him to such an extent that he refused to talk about it again still didn't save him though um he knew and said the scientists were on a mass murder spree in the mid-east with no real repercussions but those who support that are going to pay the price decades on and he was absolutely right yeah what one of the things after 9-11 when terrorism really became an issue for Americans and they started looking into people started asking the causes of it and from a
Starting point is 01:56:02 from a purely research point of view it seems like terrorism happens and especially like suicide bombings happen in occupied lands when when a land belongs to somebody and then a foreign entity occupies it and that's not that's not what has happened. That's not why Irgun and Lehigh were, they weren't terrorist organizations responding to an occupation. They were terrorist organizations. They were the aggressors. They were doing this so that they could achieve their goals of moving people out and taking over. It was basically the complete opposite of a lot of what, uh, the kind of terrorism that we've seen. since then.
Starting point is 01:56:58 Well, you know, there's an argument to be made. The Twin Towers were they had many police agencies, insurance companies who underwrote military equipment. CIA, FBI had offices there. This was the economic core. I think, I don't think these handful of Saudis had anything to do, anything to do with it. I think much of their claims are impossible. But what happened on that day is a drop in the ocean.
Starting point is 01:57:24 compared to what's been going on, the Arab population in the Middle East since really the 30s, let alone 1948. In order to create an ethically pure Israel, everyone else had to be pushed out. And that generation is probably all gone now, but they were quite proud of the slaughter of Arabs. So you had to start off with the idea that we are the aristocratic people, we're the only people with a soul, which is a Talmudic idea about themselves. and everyone else is just mud which is the exact word used you know the famous gullium or cattle
Starting point is 01:58:01 that's what they are they're occasionally useful but they're not on our level you have to start off with that mentality to I mean no one was talking about the so-called Holocaust at the time that rarely came
Starting point is 01:58:14 a persecution did but in general that that didn't come up it was this this conception of you know this generalized persecution in the one hand, and this belief that they had and some racial and even metaphysical right to be there, regardless of their totally foreign nature compared with the Israelites. So that's how you have to think in order to do this.
Starting point is 01:58:38 Your point you make is a really good one. One of the reasons that Stalin was a scientist, called themselves a scientist, and supported the Zionist cause, is that it was special pleading for the USSR, who, by the way, suffered far more than the Jews did. Everyone suffered. Belarus lost half its population. And it certainly could be applied, so-called persecution, to what Stalin did his entire career.
Starting point is 01:59:07 And it served Soviet diplomatic interests well because it allowed them to take any attention away from their own crimes, which is part of why the Soviets created the Nuremberg trial. And so the initial mythology for the creation of the Zionist entity comes from Stalin's Middle East Department and his version of the State Department, especially Andrei Grimico, who made the main speech, the UN supporting partition. They, Soviets didn't care. Even Goldemeyer was quoted later saying Soviets didn't care about the Arabs. The Soviets were going on about how Jews are naturally socialist, the heart of the socialist movement. And therefore, we're going to support them wherever they go. The reason that they couldn't support mass immigration from, say, Soviet Union or, you know, Poland, whatever, is that government offices, we collapse.
Starting point is 02:00:10 These were so top-heavy with Jews, both in the USSR under Stalin as well as in Eastern Europe, that if they just allowed unlimited immigration in Israel, they would have no country left. so many the leading offices would be would be abandoned only romania permitted some immigration and israel so they that's why ultimately the the soviets were cooled on the idea is that you you know we could support zionism but we can't um allow our our best people to leave you know there was nothing russian about the ussr just like there was nothing polish about the the the people's republic of poland after the war um so that's that's that's that's the problem There's no doubt that Stalin, who was the first to recognize Israel, even when the arms embargo was imposed on the, you know, in 1948, Soviets continued to send weaponry, usually through Czechoslovakia. They had no problem doing that.
Starting point is 02:01:07 And even people like James Forrestle were aware. An arms embargo is just going to mean that only the Jews get weapons, which is part of why that came into existence in the first place. you mentioned that Stalin said that he believed the Jews were naturally socialist and I mean when you look at the the Bolshevik party even in books written by like Slezkin you see the overrepresentation there there's maybe you could address the the trope that we hear now that one of the reasons why you have to support Israel is because they're the only quote unquote democracy in the region. Is Israel the only democracy in the region? Has Israel ever been in democracy? Well, it's a state based on race and ethnicity, which in and of itself, I mean, democracy is not
Starting point is 02:02:09 used as a synonym of representation. Representation, a representative government and democracy are two completely separate things. In fact, they're at war with each other. Part of the reason why so many liberals and leftists around the world came down so hard in that Yahoo, when he tried to ban, you know, impose a much older law on the people of Israel who are generally liberals was that he, and then when he allowed himself to be able to veto Supreme Court decisions, among many other things, that argument fell apart. It is a common argument of them.
Starting point is 02:02:45 Well, Lebanon was had a multi-party system. Turkey had a multi-party system. Syria does, contrary to mythology. Iran does. You have to be a Muslim. But there's many parties in there. There's more parties in Syria than there are in the U.S. Certainly more parties in Lebanon than there are in the U.S.
Starting point is 02:03:05 With their proportional representation system. Because of Netanyahu's complete destruction of the separation of powers, which is why so many, even soldiers, were refusing to follow orders, including today, that argument, which is so, you know, faculties to be laughable, facile, they can't make it anymore. It used to be their big stupid comment that there's two major parties, therefore it's free. And yet it's a highly regimented state because it's unnatural. It's what Lev Gulenov called a chimera. It's foreign people based in a foreign land and a foreign ideology that has no connection to the region. The entire thing is doomed to fail.
Starting point is 02:03:53 And when I say that, you know, we know the Soviet, the Bolivic movement was at its upper levels, almost exclusively Jewish. The American ambassador to Russia during the war said that. The British ambassador said that. you had so many, you know, listing there were 375 people in the main institutions when they moved to Moscow, about 300, 325, that 375 were Jews, almost always from the upper classes, upper class merchant families, that many of them changed their name. and the Bavarian People's Republic, which is one of the things that provoked the National Socials Revolution, as well as the Hungarian. The People's Republic were exclusively Jewish. And I have a paper out in the Hungarian situation. Stalin got nervous.
Starting point is 02:04:48 How come every single one of you is Jewish? Go find somebody and make him president, which had no power at the time. And it took the months to finally find a non-Jewish guy. I can't think of his name. starts with an S. They made him president and then promptly forgot about him. This was under the rule of Bella Kuhn, which is just a Hungarian version of Cohen. It was exclusively Jewish. This is why Hitler said what he said. The Bavarian people's Republic, it was just, it was pieces of Germany who were being, you know, Judaized. In fact, even Winston Churchill said that. It's not, you know, at the time, it was, it was, it was a Jewish movement. And I mentioned that primarily because, people claim that Stalin was anti-Jewish which is a load of nonsense I have paper after paper on that
Starting point is 02:05:38 any anti-Jewish statement in the Soviet Union was punishable by at least a 10-year Gulag sentence but American scholars like to talk about this because it relieves them from having to explain why the entire almost the entire Bolshek movement in the 20s was non-Russian Stalin did persecute the old Bolsheviks
Starting point is 02:06:01 That's true But there were mostly Jews It wasn't a targeting of the Jews But if you were a Bolshevik in the 20s And hence an old Bolshevik by Stalin's era You were most likely Jewish Well they can't admit that So they have to create the mythology
Starting point is 02:06:18 That Stalin didn't like Jews Despite the fact That he and his And his Foreign Affairs Department saw the Jews as the core of socialism and they weren't necessarily even talking about the foundation of the Soviet Union. They were talking about the kibbutzim.
Starting point is 02:06:35 They were talking about just the natural of course with an ethnic solidarity so it's special pleading there that it seems to be an already socialist even Ilya Aaronberg. This is the infamous film director called for the genocide of Germans after World War II and the essay
Starting point is 02:06:55 regarding one letter and he said he said we're sympathetic to the struggle being waged by the Israeli workers at the same time every Soviet citizen understands the problem Israel faces cannot be reduced to the national character of the state the social structure matters as well Aaronberg expressed support for Israel on behalf of Soviet Jews with one reservation and that reservation was it has to be a people's democratic republic independent of the West and for somehow devoid of Zionist ideology, which would put race ahead of anything else. Now, I'm not sure how Israel can exist without Zionism.
Starting point is 02:07:34 But the Soviets were willing to alienate millions upon millions of Arabs because they burnt down the Lebanese Communist Party headquarters once the Soviets made their speech. but because the stereotype was that they're nothing but they're mired and futile superstition they could never be pro-Soviet and they wouldn't mind getting rid of the British from the Arab areas anyway now that changed later on of course and the Soviets became anti-Israel only because they were you know this was this was a an American base now the Soviets and the Americans traded freely throughout the so-called Cold War. There weren't the enemies
Starting point is 02:08:19 that people have been led to believe. But in 1950, the Israelis backed the U.S. in the Korean War, and that drove Stalin crazy. And so Zionism became a big problem. And they couldn't support it, as I've mentioned. They'd lose some of their best people
Starting point is 02:08:37 would be emigrating to that state. Of course, the U.S. just was in a better position to support Israel than the Soviet Union was. They couldn't support itself. at the time, not without American assistance. But I think we're in an age where, no matter how powerful Jews are, you can't produce the military equipment quickly enough after the Ukrainian debacle where there's almost nothing left and then suddenly, you know, make it appear.
Starting point is 02:09:08 And I think most of you know that the weaponry meant for Ukraine on the black market has found its way all throughout the world, especially the third world, and Hamas is using something. Also, they claim it may well be true because the black market arms sales has exploded since February of last year. But that's where we are right now. And that's why the new Khazaria idea exploded starting in the 90s, but at least as far as the war is going on in Ukraine can't come to fruition. people often say that the reason Israel needs to be there is because they're the only stabilizing force in the region before Israel got there was it a warring region was it a
Starting point is 02:09:55 warring region was it a region that was that something was brewing there that could possibly have destroyed the West or, you know, I mean, it just, it seemed, when I hear things like that, all I hear is propaganda, all I hear is Hasborough, that, oh, that the, the whole region was this insanely unstable region, and then all of a sudden, these Jews go there, restart up old Israel, and now they're the only thing that stabilizes it. Yeah, again, that would require, I know you're not saying that, but that would require another just massive amount of ignorance that I can't picture. It's like trying to picture the universe. You just can't do it.
Starting point is 02:10:49 The instability, well, first of all, at the time, there were very few independent Arab states. This was a colonial realm, if not from the Ottomans, then later the British and the French. The Sykes-Pico Treaty, I forget the year, divided it between the British and their friends, had their lines of demarcation, so they wouldn't butt heads. The French were no more excited about Zionism than the British were, at least in the 1940s. And still, I guess there's still a reluctant partner in this. They were against the Iraq War and all the rest of it. The instability became endemic, not just a decolonization.
Starting point is 02:11:30 but also because of Israeli policies. And if anything, the one thing that unifies them all is their general support for some version of the anti-Zionist cause, but because there's so much money coming in and out of that country that it's really hard for some governments to resist it. And after the, you know, 1967 in the wars in the 70s, Egypt has figured they were going to make peace. Syria never did. Saudi Arabia is now so alienated from the whole thing. They're not going to do it. And in fact, the new leadership there is going to allow themselves with the Iranians.
Starting point is 02:12:11 Iran is considered now the last standard bearer of the militant response to Israel. The attacks on places like Sudan, Libya, Iraq, going way back and Syria, it isn't so much that they are going to create. nuclear weapons. Israel has nuclear weapons. It's that they were switching over to nuclear power, which are two totally different things. All of those governments, including actually Lebanon, that Israeli and American interference destroyed were all on the cusp of first world status. Now, Iran's been a first world country for a long time now with a far healthier economy than the U.S., which is insane a whole lot. But that was Israel's concern is to keep everyone poor. That has a lot to do with their policies in the West Bank. Nuclear power
Starting point is 02:13:07 was proof that these were becoming first world countries. They had a huge scientific establishment. So they invented the myth that somehow you could just make nuclear weapons out of the material used to generate nuclear power, which is false. It's too totally different. They're related, of course, but they're two totally different plants, totally different systems. and keeping everyone around it impoverished is critical. And that explains the U.S. intervention. That explains Israeli policies in the area. And now, of course, because of the U.S., every place but Iraq has been reduced now back to third world status again.
Starting point is 02:13:45 Iran remains more or less alone in this respect, which is why the venom against Iran is going to grow and grow and grow. But now the U.S. is facing war on what three fronts, at least, the Far East, Iran via Azerbaijan, which is why the U.S. so interested in the Azerbaijan war, and of course in Russia. The U.S. doesn't have the resources for one of these, let alone three of them. The U.S. is so broken and decrepit and bankrupt in all senses of that term that it simply doesn't exist. is the American, is a regime such that they're willing to destroy themselves for the sake of Jewish domination and Jewish power? That's the question. I think there's some of the neocons who are, but that's only a very extreme point of view. The U.S. was willing to give so much weaponry to the Ukrainians, which is destroyed immediately, to the point where their stocks hardly exist anymore, making them vulnerable.
Starting point is 02:14:48 they're willing to go that far all of a sudden you're talking about nuclear weapons where's all the anti-war movements all the anti-nook movements that dominated places like Germany in the 80s all of a sudden they've disappeared
Starting point is 02:15:00 the anti-war movement doesn't really exist like it did for Vietnam but it's a very different kind of enemy then since 1990 the enemies have been essentially generally speaking right-wing governments well that's a very different story than fighting the communists
Starting point is 02:15:16 that the American ruling class was heavily invested in cooperative with. So, because the country was founded on genocide, it has to continue to function. And that automatically includes, function on genocide, that automatically forces the U.S., especially Britain, to be perpetually at war with the Arab and, of course, the Iranians aren't Arabs. These Islamic states, and it's destroyed American interests in the area, all for the sake of the Jews. going to go so far as to destroy themselves for it, I'm not going to answer that. Well, we could keep going on this, but we'll save it for a future date.
Starting point is 02:16:01 Remind everybody where they can find your work and we'll end this. Yeah. You'll see in the description, like you did last time, all the links. You know, I do this full time. This is not a part-time job by any means. I've been around for a very long time I've been doing this since the late 80s and the links in the description
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Starting point is 02:17:37 Well, Dr. Johnson, and it's the last time you were on. The first time you were on, the response was phenomenal. and people kept asking for you to come back. So I won't make it so far in between next time. I'll reach out. I just want to thank you for your time today. And until the next time. All right.
Starting point is 02:17:56 Goodbye, my friend. Goodbye. I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekingiano show. And I want to welcome back once again, somebody who is quickly becoming a listener favorite, Dr. Matthew Raphael Johnson. How are you doing, Dr. Johnson? A little tired, but I really appreciate you.
Starting point is 02:18:13 having me on again. No problem. This is the episode I wanted to record with you last time, but then everything broke out in Palestine. So we talked about that. But as we were talking about before we started recording, I consider Vladimir Putin and probably Bashar al-Assad to be the two most interesting and probably powerful when it comes to their positions within their countries and how they rule their countries in the world. And I know that there's no better person to talk to about doing a deep dive on Mr. Putin. So what can you tell us about Mr. Putin? Well, 10 years ago, I published Russian populace, the political thought of Vladimir Putin and the Barns Review books, I'll publish that. And it's sold very well. And it's because
Starting point is 02:19:11 Putin doesn't deal a lot with abstract ideology. This is the only political theory book on Putin in existence, at least in English. And I go through it thematically. Putin is probably, if not the most popular, one of the most popular politicians in the world. He helped rescue Russia from the 1990s, where it had gone from an industrial power to a third world. to a third world country, losing population, all at the hands of the U.S. to the seventh largest economy in the world. Very diverse, very complex. Keep in mind that the energy sector, depending on how you define it, makes up about 9% of the GDP. So this is a competitive
Starting point is 02:20:05 state-directed, although not state-owned or state-run, which is a competitive state-run, which extremely important. In fact, Putin's doctoral dissertation concerned that topic in economics on the mining industry, which I've read a long time ago. The state has a strong role to play. He was baptized secretly as a young man and has been orthodox ever since. But it's hard to deal with Putin without understanding the context. In the the 1990s, about 80% of the old Soviet economy was liquidated, and while the nominal president was Boris Yeltsin, people like Yuri Guidar and Anatoly Tobias, both Jews, both connected closely with the United States, especially Harvard University, were making policy. So by 1993,
Starting point is 02:21:05 Yeltsin had roughly a 10% popularity rating. And because of that, he declared. Clair and Marshall Law, the decree on the special order governing the state, and all opposition parties were silenced, and the U.S. found this a victory for democracy. His opposition, the so-called popular resistance, I've talked about the coup of 1991, or the attempt at a coup, and one of the big problems is, at the time, they didn't have a unified ideology. Now, the Communist Party could count on maybe a third of the vote, but keep in mind that the agenda was never to return to the Soviet system, but a reassertion of the state system with an iteration framework. And bizarrely enough, the 1993 referendum with less than 10%
Starting point is 02:22:03 in popularity, he got something like 60% of the vote. clearly it was it was fraud and USAID actually admitted them so by the mid to late 90s Yeltsin knew that if his government fell he's he's going to prison and in 93 Yelton shredded the constitution and the Supreme Court dethroned him putting Wuchkoi in his plate and that and that The fact that Putin intelligently, throughout this period of time, vaguely supported the opposition to the coup. He was able to preserve his political career.
Starting point is 02:22:56 Ultimately, in that confrontation between the legislature and Yeltsin, you had about 1,500 deaths. No one was ever brought to justice. Yelton controls state media at the time. He was sending them false information, telling them that they're going to be fired on unless they shoot first, all of that. And as this is going on, you have the total collapse of the Russian economy.
Starting point is 02:23:26 You had no functional central state apparatus. Warlords had taken over the regions. Of course, Chechnya was, was going on and I wrote a paper Vladimir Putin's war against the oligarchs Vladimir Zerunovsky political ideas and Yeltsin's legacy
Starting point is 02:23:44 and they had Zirnozki his real last name as Edelstein is this very false opposition but Yeltsin's people pardon those who were part of the emergency
Starting point is 02:24:01 so-called coup a 95 Yeltsin got about 10% of the vote so his big fear at the time was exposure even though he was an advanced alcoholic
Starting point is 02:24:17 they hardly had a functional budget tax collection had had collapsed so with 5% popularity in the mid 90s somehow he got 54% of the vote.
Starting point is 02:24:36 So you're talking about extreme bankruptcy, non-functional economy, and so much of it bought up by Western investors, or simply liquidated in the money sent a Swiss bank accounts or Israel. The oligarchs, as you well know, at the time, were overwhelmingly Jewish, both in Russia and in Ukraine. Ukraine even more so, and once Putin cracked down on them, so many Jews then talking, you know, by 2000, 2001 had fled to Israel. There's not that many Jews left in Russia anymore. Cost of living went up 3,000 percent in this period of time. Alcoholism went through the roof, and strangely enough, vodka was subsidized by the Yeltsin group, making it artificially cheaper. 4 million Russians were homeless The best and the brightest
Starting point is 02:25:32 This went to the West And when you compare Say Hitler's invasion Destroyed about 40% of the Russian economy This was almost 80% In the few years in the 1990s Under American IMF direction They lost about a million trained scientists
Starting point is 02:25:52 In all fields To the Western world they pilfered all the scientific conventions and the patents that they had in Russia I mean Boeing in 99 had 600 former Soviet scientists at its disposal so that's the context not to mention the lost war
Starting point is 02:26:13 at the time now they won the war eventually but the whole military chain of command in Chechnya collapsed and that was a big part of the problem so Putin realized and of course every Russian in the world realized that something needed to be done they were going to carve up the country they were going to completely colonize it
Starting point is 02:26:38 and force it to be nothing but a raw materials provider in third world poverty so Putin taking over he was actually appointed because Putin didn't support the the national Bolshevik coup just a few years earlier he was able to work in the mayor's office
Starting point is 02:26:58 in St. Petersburg and then once Anthony Sobchak lost the election there he went to Russia and went to Moscow and he didn't talk much about ideology he was in security services and that's where his friends came from in other words they didn't need
Starting point is 02:27:16 the billionaires to finance them and because of that he had a decent political career although he wasn't much of a you know no one really knew who he was and he wasn't particularly political so right away now you know I want to make something very clear 2002 2003 I was the only guy to say that Putin is one of us to a great extent at the time everyone the right wing was condemning him as a at the cage agent and all that stuff. I was the one I wrote the very first
Starting point is 02:27:53 article for the bond interview on that score. I convinced Michael Collins Piper and Willis Cardo who I worked for at the time of all of this. And then they went on and convinced everyone else. And that's how
Starting point is 02:28:09 Putin became more or less popular in parts of the nationalist movement. But the context is absolutely absolutely everything. So now the agenda.
Starting point is 02:28:25 This has a lot to do with the Russian populist book I wrote. It sold very well. I'm very proud of that book. I think it's the best book I ever did. Taking the agenda and then extrapolating what ideology it served.
Starting point is 02:28:41 Everyone in the security service was National Bolshevik and Eurasian. Communist Party operated on a semi-nationalist and Eurasianist platform, which I think they had always been.
Starting point is 02:28:59 Many Russians at the time didn't connect Bolshevism with Marxism. Many considered Bolshevism, almost the kind of national socialism. So Putin's agenda was very simple. First and foremost, the state had to be rebuilt it had to be centralized it had to be put almost on an emergency footing and staffed
Starting point is 02:29:24 by Putin's people and that by itself you know the economy uh resurrected once the state made sure that nothing was going to happen to your your investment unifying the country well that wasn't all that tough at the time you're talking about people who had been driven into dire poverty with a Jewish oligarchic that ruled over them and the more of those guys he put in prison the more popular he became
Starting point is 02:29:52 had he just shot them he would have been even more popular these people were hated and liberalism in the U.S. in the public mind was associated with this and you know this was an emergency situation
Starting point is 02:30:09 the army and the security services were reformed the international monetary fund was kicked out of the country and he built relations with the East and the South. Putin won the war in Chechnya, made sure that a pro-Russian but still Islamic man was elected president, a former rebel. Putin stopped the flow of American guns and drugs into Russia from Afghanistan.
Starting point is 02:30:40 and he watched while the U.S. was defeated in Iraq, later on, of course, and now driven out of the country and completely defeated in Afghanistan. Now, you mentioned something when we first started about American politicians wishing they had the legitimacy, wishing they had the popularity and the effectiveness of Vladimir Putin. And a kind of minor thesis of my book is that this is a form of projection. I'm deadly serious about this. When I say that because they're insults, you know, at the time, you know, Bush, Obama, McCain, you know, Schumer was so perfectly applicable to the U.S. that it has to be projection every few months
Starting point is 02:31:38 the financial times would predict the collapse of the Russian economy even though we're living in a collapsing collapsing economy right now military opposition or civil war is inevitable when of course they're dealing with a
Starting point is 02:31:56 broken military apparatus but throughout all of this His popularity never went below 70%. Got to mind, I mean, at the time, the average Russian salary was $100 a year, even though they had a lower standard of cost of living. They used to, there were periods of time where government workers were paid in kind. Total lack of any kind of credit, market networks, any kind of infrastructure at all anymore. so what remained about that maybe 20% was controlled by a tiny handful of elites
Starting point is 02:32:34 and Putin threw them in prison partially because they were actually selling off chunks of Russia to places like Boeing and Exxon Mobil and this is I'm still talking about 2002 2003 so on foreign policy he's won at all at all fronts the American media is the only group that tries to say otherwise he did a brilliant move both in Georgia and in Syria and of course the war in Ukraine has been artificially extended due to American support and and work within the so-called Ukrainian side and continues to prop up a man probably less popular than Yelson the Jewish actor who's running the place now. So that, in brief, is the context of how Putin
Starting point is 02:33:34 functioned in one. You mentioned his doctoral thesis and economics. What else is there in his background that prepared him for this? It's, you hear, every once in all you hear about this great man coming forward and taking over and changing. And actually, making change. It tends, in the 20th century, it tends to have pretty much the same path with the same people fighting against him. But what in his past specifically would give him the, not only the ability, but just the gumption to do this?
Starting point is 02:34:18 Well, it wasn't as if he was, you know, a general in the army and he took over in a coup. Putin was extremely methodical, both in his KGB career. You know, Marx was seen, or Bolshevism was seen as a national Bolshevism at the time, especially in security services. And he had the foresight to reject the coup from the emergency committee and to get to work, because he was very well trained. He spoke German without an accent, a bunch of other languages. and he started off at a relatively minor position in the St. Petersburg bureaucracy. He learned political economy from experience from the ground up. So by the time Yeltsin had appointed him, New Year's Eve, 99, 2000, he knew the inner workings of the country, the army, what the problems were, and the basic foundation, the ideology that he was going to have to.
Starting point is 02:35:21 layout to unify the country and while it's general and I have some criticisms about it whatever Putin's ideology is it's worked so learning from the ground up you know a minor bureaucrat in St. Petersburg slowly
Starting point is 02:35:41 moving up the latter is what made him so methodical so intelligent and so strategic now I must say that he wanted power at the time, and I think it was a bit of a surprise to him, but because he was from the security services, that training isolated him from the oligarchs, and he knew how to function as an agent, and self-defense instructor, he developed the confidence to pull this off politically.
Starting point is 02:36:14 You mentioned the Chechen problem. now I've read read up on this I remember when it was happening was there let me just ask the question straight were Western forces you know what we call global American Empire now were they importing Wahhabism and extreme elements into Chechnya to infiltrate? so that they could have so the kind of violence that could happen that was happening that ended up happening could happen yeah I have a couple of fairly lengthy articles on the Chechnya situation like everything else the American press coverage was laughable pretty much the same kind of sloganeering as I do in in Ukraine Georgia was done so quickly they really couldn't couldn't do that In the Georgian case, you had Israeli citizens running the military, the defense secretary was, for example. But, yes, especially the second Chechen war.
Starting point is 02:37:38 And, you know, yes, the Wahhabis from Saudi Arabia and Sudan, they were not popular. And, you know, so they brought in, you know, the anti-alcohol stuff. Yeah, they were Islamic. Iran refused to support them. But because they grew up in the Soviet Union, it weren't really that strict. It was so bizarre to bring these extremists coming from Saudi Arabia and elsewhere. And this is also the reason why Putin made, again, a very popular measure of banning foreign sources of funding for a political group, especially candidates in Russia. So it's an extremely interesting story.
Starting point is 02:38:20 The former Soviet Air Force general, Zokar Dudyev, proclaimed the independence of the Chechen Republic. He seized the Soviet weaponry. And this was mostly a civil war. And Dutyev was just as unpopular as Yelton was. Of course, they didn't. Russians didn't lose the war. But the second Chechen war was the imposition of Sharia law. and it actually came not just from Saudi Arabia but also from Sudan and just copied that
Starting point is 02:38:49 legislation and imposed it on Chechnya once the duty of was killed that just created a vacuum where more severe foreign-funded Islamic militants could take over and they suffered ginormous casualties the second war was a clear victory for the Russians and whatever the Chechens had very quickly fell apart, they used terror tactics, they'd have American advisors, they used poison gas, and really the only popular person was Meskadov, who was pro-Russian, moderately pro-Russian, and ultimately you had no solidarity, the Islamic movement. Everyone knew this was foreign, and had no connection to the kind of the secular political Islam that Chechens
Starting point is 02:39:44 tended to accept so the second war you know about 4,000 Russians were killed along with 15,000 Chechen militants and plenty of foreign fighters but by 2009 the remaining cells were cleaned up
Starting point is 02:40:03 and since then really was April of of that year that victory was proclaimed and the pro-Russian factions in Chechen politics wins elections very easy it makes sense as to why and Russian investment
Starting point is 02:40:25 from the center into that part of the world has been pretty substantial so yeah foreign fighters foreign ideology foreign money foreign weapons so just like in Ukraine that conflict too was artificially extended by the West.
Starting point is 02:40:42 Now, the first one, the military chain of command had collapsed. Yelton had purged it so badly that you had utter chaos at the top and no real functional state. And you had al-Qaeda guys there. But even with all that, the American support for it
Starting point is 02:40:59 was absolutely unflinching. And because Aslan Muscatto was a moderate, pro-Russian, Islamic with great limit, he won the election right after the victory. And that's what led to the withdrawal
Starting point is 02:41:19 Russian troops from the area. And he was elected with a comfortable margin, but you had many Islamic parties competing. No one has ever said that it wasn't fair or anything else. So, yes, to answer your question, yes. And it's clearly not the embarrassment that the American
Starting point is 02:41:38 media made it out to be. Well, no one can be a popular leader unless the economy is not even booming, just that it's functioning properly. What did he do or what did he get out of the way in order for the Russian economy to come back after the 1990s, which was thought awful? well i i gave you the first step and that's to resurrect the state on the basis not of i mean there were always elections but no one trusted them that's why i mentioned all the poll numbers for yeltsin and then how that translated into votes doesn't make any sense um in taking over the
Starting point is 02:42:27 districts in the regions putting his own men in there with the approval of the local legislature which was condemned in the West, despite Yelton trying to do the same thing, created a far more rational structure. Importantly, the export duty on petroleum products was repealed. You know, and against all free market ideology, it allowed the free flow of oil to to Western Europe. The U.S. doesn't get very much from it. The auto industry grew massively. These are targeted investments, and you had consumer confidence had returned.
Starting point is 02:43:19 Massive increase in the social programs as the poor were being eliminated. You know, under Yelts and pensions were below the poverty line, 25% now of course there arise up a few years ago it's more than 50% above this line
Starting point is 02:43:38 and it's increasing you know just one example I talked about this at the time um Michael Kutakovsky who was the head of the Israeli head of the
Starting point is 02:43:52 Ucos oil concern he was going to sell those fields which are monstrous to Exxon mobile and that's why he was arrested he was arrested on his way to sign the documents
Starting point is 02:44:08 you've seen those videos of Putin marching into a board meeting that's not all public relations one of the reasons that Western politicians hate Putin is because Putin is very independent the state is more powerful than any
Starting point is 02:44:24 concentration of capital he ended up nationalizing the Ucos firm. Actually, I was writing his dissertation on the so-called national champions. This was state directed but not dictated investment. And these areas, again, like the auto industry. And then he abolished the law. The law was, this is in 2004, the production sharing agreement. And he signed years earlier that put natural resources under quote unquote international jurisdiction. That means de facto though, not de Jure, BP and Exxon had tremendous control over not just oil, but natural resources. And this increased his popularity.
Starting point is 02:45:09 Russian oil was not benefiting Russians at all. It went to Shell, BP, the typical groups of people. And by saying that Russian resources belong to Russia, he was automatically marked for debt. So right afterwards, the Russian national budget went. up by 300 to 400% very quickly. You know, he was, he was the leader of the national revolution by this point. Between 92 and 95, for example, what functioned as a state was essentially at the mercy of the IMF and foreign advisors.
Starting point is 02:45:51 All legislation in the 1990s, including the tax laws, were written under foreign grant. About 10,000 foreign advisors were working in Russian ministries and department, especially economic centers. And all of this, you know, massive increases of revenue, increasing stability. People were actually listening to the laws. And one of the central things is, you know, of course, I forgot about the flat tax. and by lowering taxes, people who had refused to file before now were filing. And it didn't take long for Russians to realize that you can't get away with anything anymore. Russia was completely taken out of debt.
Starting point is 02:46:44 State directed investment was focused on the elimination of poverty. You had massive increases in incomes. And even, you know, in the midst of the 2007-2008 crisis in the West, Russia increased pensions and other benefits by a huge margin. Gold reserves, everything else. And this means that life expectancy went up. It was under 50 at one point. In 2010, the birth rate was at least 50% higher than it had been in the past. And that's really just the beginning.
Starting point is 02:47:22 economic indicator, inflation was brought under control. The ruble was properly functioning. He had very close control of the central bank, and since sanctions was able to essentially nationalize it, and that's how he's making these deals with the Chinese central bank, which is totally under the state. And the impressive thing is that Putin had very little to build from all of these taxes all this written by foreigners to benefit themselves and yet all he had to do is centralized tax collection and the war in Chechnya and rebuild the regions that the economy went off on its own nationalizing many industries this is this is where the sanctions came from the plan was to divide Russia make it a third world country supporting
Starting point is 02:48:16 American manufacturers, the Western economy. And by doing the exact opposite of the free market, he resurrected the economy in a way that very few people can claim and in a relatively short period of time. Just like everything else, this was slow and methodical, and the reforms were in place about 2005, as well as the explosion of pensions, of personal incomes, consumer confidence, exports and imports and Russia paid off its debt early
Starting point is 02:48:51 which outraged the IMF and again that's just the beginning of what's happening here and it turned Russia from almost at the door of the fourth world like Ukraine is now to again the penny in how you count it the sixth or seventh
Starting point is 02:49:10 most advanced and complex economy who are the largest in the world. So it's a little bigger than Britain, roughly about Canada. So again, that's just the beginning. But, you know, Russia was able to collect a mass of trade surplus,
Starting point is 02:49:33 where it was the opposite before, that allowed Russia to weather any crisis. And, you know, real simple, you know, the flat tax was 13%. All taxes were eliminated for homes, home improvement, any investment of a cultural nature, subsidized loans for small businesses and farmsteads, and everyone knew at the time that the carnival that the oligarchs had put in power in the 90s couldn't possibly last. Extremely strict anti-corruption measures. All government workers have to divulge their assets and any liability before they take office to prevent any conflict of interest.
Starting point is 02:50:17 No civil serving can have accounts in foreign banks, especially security services, and any business dealings while an office is forbidden. Can you imagine that being imposed anywhere else? And that's because the state was stronger than any combination of privately owned capital in the country. And I think kicking the IMF out and totally reversing the flow of trust, trade that benefited Russia. These gold reserves, currency reserves, are so ginormous. They could weather any storm.
Starting point is 02:50:50 By the time sanctions were imposed, Russia had already rebuilt its infrastructure concerning China, Mongolia, India, Iran was a huge trading partner, and that's where the Shanghai cooperation organization came from, and the Eurasian Economic Union, especially in Central Asia, Kazakhstan. This was slowly unified. Now, of course, China's Belt and Road initiative. And that plus the Georgian victory, the Chechen victory, brought his popularity to be through the roof.
Starting point is 02:51:29 And ideologically, I would call him a Eurasian because like so many people in the East, no one trusts the West for anything. There is no economy that you could predict. positively. In any west of the debt, it's too high, the industrialization, especially now, is extraordinary, and you already have chunks of Europe reverting to third world status. Belarus and Russia are exceptions to this, and it's all because of these centralizing policies. Well, you already talked about the Chechen wars, the Georgian wars, you start seeing the push-back against him. I guess one of the first things that I saw where accusations were being leveled was,
Starting point is 02:52:20 and I mean, this is something that any enemy, anybody who stands up to the global American Empire gets hit with is that any opposition that he has within the country, he takes care of, that he has eliminated up to an including citizens. So what's the truth behind that? Well, this has been actually a few years ago, a substantial preoccupation in my case. Right off the bat, if your popularity rating, no matter what polling agency is used, has you at 70, 75%, and it went even higher after the Chechen War ended, I'm not sure why you would have to control any opposition. Like in the Navalny case, no one ever heard of the guy prior to what happened to him. he had a few thousand followers on Twitter, something like that. I mean, he really was a nobody.
Starting point is 02:53:19 He was educated in America, spoke English. You'll notice that all these so-called opposition figures are usually totally unknown, and they're all educated in the United States. In fact, I've gone through the color revolutionaries from all over the world, say, over the last 10 years, and almost everyone had a degree at an American university. in something or other. And when Navalny went to Yale, to study law for some reason, that's when he was recruited and then sent back to Russia.
Starting point is 02:53:52 I think his party got 3% of the vote, but prior to all this in the legislative elections. And all of a sudden, now the U.S. created this opposition figure through its media that had nothing happened to him. To this day, no one would have heard of them. So, and not to mention, the methods apparently that he uses are so crude and stupid. The guy who is allegedly poisoned by radiation, for some reason, his name isn't coming to me. He died of a long, agonizing debt because that makes sense, right? Putin's going to make sure this guy who's front-center media dies a slow death because of him.
Starting point is 02:54:37 Yeah, it sounds just like him. you know these are stupid and crude that that would never happen normally but they needed these headlines they needed this emotional uh impact of these stories so he doesn't have to the stories that the media tells are so full of holes that um it's it really is a joke and and as of recently i don't really deal with it anymore uh because it's the same thing over and over and over again, and everyone, everyone forgets and then they start over again. It really is a, it's a joke. One of the other things that you will hear, and I especially heard this last year when
Starting point is 02:55:18 after February 23rd was that, you know, Vladimir Putin is, and you've already addressed the fact that he makes it so that people who serve in the government can't keep foreign bank accounts, things like that, that Vladimir Putin is a trillionaire, that his daughter, his children live lavish lifestyles all over the world. He's the richest man in the world. He's the biggest thief in the world. And where do those come from? Well, that's one of the examples I use as a form of projection
Starting point is 02:55:51 because all of that fits the regime in the West perfectly. If he had that much money, we wouldn't know about it. I mean, he'd be powerful enough that no one would ever find out. Apparently, he was so bad at hiding this money that somebody had uncovered it. And yet with people like Zelensky, politicians in the U.S., that's exactly what they're doing. They are ridiculously wealthy. Remember the Pandora papers had Zelensky having like eight mansions around the world. I'm sure Putin has never done poorly, but it's absolutely nothing like that.
Starting point is 02:56:31 This came entirely out of whole cloth, and it was a way to deflect attention from precisely that kind of billionaire attitude in the West. I do think it's a form of projection. What about the another trope, and this one was, I think this one was put out there even more so than any kind of corruption, is that his intention is to invade all of these former. satellites and reform the Soviet Union? I mean, reforming it, but they don't, they don't say to what, what version of it? Yeah, the fall of the Soviet Union led to tens of millions of deaths in Russia. Even Schulteneitin said that in this extreme poverty that occurred in the 1990s. Yeah, it was a tragedy.
Starting point is 02:57:24 By the end of the USSR, most state workers were essentially national Bolshevists or national socialists, you know, for lack of a better phrase. of one kind or another. But this is a justification that the West uses for surrounding the country with military bases, especially in the Baltics, Central Europe, and in the East as well, completely surrounded. And as they surround and act very aggressively towards Russia, they then project that onto Putin saying that's what he's doing.
Starting point is 02:57:55 I mean, the correspondence is one-to-one. It's perfect. I think it's very clear that this is psychological. as much as it is political because you know he's not supposed to be doing that he was supposed to be you know overseeing a third world country and by using non-market non-capital style methods are very much a national socialist thing just like in China he created this power help he has every right to to um try to enforce that he has friendly or at least neutral states on their border um
Starting point is 02:58:31 And, of course, the U.S. is absolutely no different in that respect. Again, another form of projection. I mean, they invaded Grenada in 83. You know, it just didn't matter. Panama a few years later, making sure that every neighbor, a close neighbor is directly under U.S. control, I'm sorry, indirectly under U.S. control, which is why they've been as well, and it was so severe at the time. So all these people are doing, are imposing, projecting exactly their
Starting point is 02:59:01 policy on to Putin. They've never explained how he was going to do this. Why would he do this? Why would he deliberately make himself, you know, the Ukrainian case was very obvious as to why he did that. But so long as there's no aggressive action, you know, these militaries, especially in the Baltics, or created top the bottom by the United States. So I'm not sure, you know, if I'm in the Soviet Union, well, the U.S. media like the Soviet Union in the 60s and 70s. This used to be not a big deal.
Starting point is 02:59:39 There were no sanctions on Soviet leaders. There were no media condemnations, mainstream media attacks. No one's ever been brought to justice as far as what's happened. The last, you know, 40 years of the USSR's life. Oh, and by the way, I do have a book dealing with a lot of this called the Soviet experiment, the Leninist and Stalinist economy. also published by
Starting point is 03:00:03 the Barnes Review. So I get into much more much more detail there. So you know, that's where I am and that was established a long time ago. And this is just continuing the policies. When you look at
Starting point is 03:00:23 organizations that are forming things like bricks, some of his associations like with Assum, people like that, people who are the enemies of the global American Empire. Are these associations are things like Bricks? Are these defensive or offensive to go against, to fight the West? Is it a combination of both?
Starting point is 03:00:51 What are his intentions in doing this, do you think? Well, from the Shanghai Cooperation Organization to the recent expansion of Bricks, Yes, it's to consolidate a strong Asian region and that they could, without harming the state or the nations, rebuild an economy without the U.S. as of now, thanks to the sanctions, and that never hurt Russia at all, quite the contrary. due to sanctions they totally did dollarize it's almost a complete process now at least in Russia nationalizing the central bank you know usually indirectly in their dealings with China you know he has some questionable appointments there he's far from a perfect man but compared the Americans. He's extraordinary. I'm not going to talk about defensive or offensive
Starting point is 03:01:59 because they really blend into each other. But to the extent that American institutions, dollars, militaries can't penetrate, you will have the growth of nationalism and regionalism in all of these areas. And the greatest fear of the American regime is cutting them out of lucrative trade deals, but the irrationality of the political class and putting sanctions on anyone and everyone, including India, now, presiding with Russia with all this, and needless to say, the events in Gaza, which whatever support the U.S. may have had in Asia and Africa has completely evaporated. So I remember he was in Syria by invitation, as are the Iranians. And my favorite, I have to pick one favorite move of his.
Starting point is 03:02:55 It was the intervention in Syria. He knew that the U.S. was allied with Hokkaida there to the extent that that really is a functional group. The U.S. created ISIS from the ground up. Putin said, I guarantee you, when I wipe them out in Syria, the U.S. is going to condemn me. And it got to the point where the condemnation was defending ISIS, giving the Russian, pilots, the wrong coordinates. They bombed nothing, all to protect ISIS. You had prison breaks organized by the United States. I have several papers on that question. So what Putin did is not only did he destroyed this Western finance organization, but he forced the Americans
Starting point is 03:03:40 to essentially admit that we've created them. How can you possibly be opposed to me destroying them. And of course, they absolutely were. It's kind of like the president of the Philippines who won his drug war over the last decade or so, immediately condemned by the United States. He did what you guys are trying to do, and he did it very quickly. But the fact that what they condemn and what they attack, that's really their true policy, not what they say publicly at home. When you consider the Bolshevik revolution, the revolutions in Russia in the early 20th century and who financed them, people like Jacob Schiff to the tune of what would be considered
Starting point is 03:04:29 today, $2 billion. When you look at what's happening now, does this just appear to be a continuation of this Jewish enmity towards Russia to do whatever it can to destroy it, even if it needs to salt the earth forever? Yeah, the people who murdered Zarnigalus II were overwhelmingly Jewish and in their graffiti on the walls of the Apatia of the house where they were murdered, raped and murdered actually, you had all of these references to the Talmud, I'm sorry, Zohar, Tabala. The Jews have this instinctive hatred for Russians, and to a great extent, Ukrainians, because it derives from the concept of Rome.
Starting point is 03:05:24 Rome and the Talmud is condemned. This is, you know, the Goy government, and anything that has that kind of land power, national socialist approach is going to be attacked. now the pogroms in late imperial russia are a myth most of the people killed there were orthodox the Jews were very very well armed in the western parts of the empire but in their minds
Starting point is 03:05:50 and same thing for the Cossacks this is the pole of resistance to American liberalism which is another way of saying Jewish finance and their hatred for Russia knows no bounds you had all these orthodox rabbis coming out protesting in favor of Ukraine in March of last year.
Starting point is 03:06:11 It seems to be an odd cause for them to rally around until, of course, you understand that because the oligarchy in Ukraine is entirely Jewish, if anything happens to Israel, at least the southern and eastern parts of Ukraine are going to be New Qazaria, the successor to Israel, I mean, the state of Israel, Israel. So, yeah, the same people who created the Bolshevik revolution in, you know, from, say, 17, 1920, the same ethnic group who oversaw its dismantling and imposition of poverty. They're both the same. First of all, you know, Leninism and capitalism are very similar to each other, ideologically, at their root. But either way, it's still a looting of the country. Same occurred in 1920.
Starting point is 03:07:05 Same thing occurred in 1995, that the Jews were part of both of them, shows you just how close those two systems are. I think the only big difference was that, you know, you have state ownership rather than private ownership, but otherwise their behavior is exactly the same. Soviets were a little bit cruder, and the Soviet economy was built by the West. Anthony Sutton's huge book on the topic is extraordinary, including its high-tech sector. of course that could never happen today the difference is that the only real battlement against liberalism the west and jewelry is nationalism soviets were okay same thing with Mao Mao killed 30 million people that doesn't matter there was no sanctions on him you know they knew exactly what was going on so yes it's a continuation
Starting point is 03:07:56 whether it be state owned or Jewish private owned it doesn't make any difference they function in the same way. And I think, don't quote me on this, but I think the new Khazdia idea has collapsed given the obvious Russian victory in Ukraine. Because Ukraine
Starting point is 03:08:15 has long since been a fourth world country. It's about at the same level as Ghana or Mali and Africa in terms of corruption in terms of the economy. No one wants to live there. So when the Russians took over, you know, Chechny and the eastern part of
Starting point is 03:08:31 Ukraine, all these referenda. The point was that even if you were pro-Ukraine in Crimea, you don't want to live there. The minute these places became a part of Russia, their GDP, their bank accounts, everything went through the roof because they switched over to rubles. And with a massive Russo Chinese gold reserves, the ruble is very safe, despite the back and forth that we've seen recently. It's really rallied over the last month or so. So, You know, the short answer is, yes, it's the same mentality, but maybe using substantially different methods. Either way, they were both revolutionary, then both were materialists, they both brought Jews to power, and they both were immensely unpopular. Well, I said I was going to keep you at an hour, so I have one more question, one more topic to touch on here.
Starting point is 03:09:25 we're getting reports out of Russia that in the last 10 years birth rates have gone down. We've seen encroachment of global homo like LGBT, trans ideology, younger people or some younger people are latching on to that. Is that, I mean, if that is true, I guess the question would be, if that is true, I guess we know where that came from, where that influence, that influence was probably very targeted upon Russia, especially Western Russia, right? Yes, remember what the NGO is, the non-governmental organization. These are the arm of corporate capital.
Starting point is 03:10:12 All corporations, big ones, have a tax-exempt organization, and their agenda is always like Amnesty International. Go to any of these websites and you see who's... who's financing them. Now, the NGO law, which is, you know, old news now in Russia and the foreign financing law makes their operations much more difficult than it had been in the past. So they've had to go in differently. They've had to be more deceptive in their, and you know, Russian liberals, you know, liberals in our sense of the word.
Starting point is 03:10:49 There's only a handful of parties. Normally they get between two and five percent of the vote. there's been a couple times where they have been slightly higher than that but always in single digits so regardless of what might be you know Putin isn't going to kill them all you know he would be popular if he did it but of course it's going to be something like that there but now that the constitution has been amended where this stuff can't uh take any legal form um you know in georgia you've seen these homo parade that had to be protected by an army of cops same thing goes for
Starting point is 03:11:24 for Kiev you know it suits the Jewish interest to a great extent to have their two Slavic opponents Ukraine and Russia slaughter each other this is you know infestrian to depopulate it and then move new Khazadia there
Starting point is 03:11:38 although I think that's that's mostly a that's mostly a fantasy all right then we'll leave it right there I will of course in the show notes include what I links to the things you've sent me in the past if you want to mention anything else you can do that right now and we'll end this yes well as I said the last
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Starting point is 03:12:40 Well, Dr. Johnson is always a pleasure, and I look forward to doing this again really soon. Thank you very much, and have a good Thanksgiving. You too, my friend. I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekignano show. Returning, someone who's quickly become a favorite, Dr. Matthew Raphael Johnson. How are you doing, Dr. Johnson? Well, we have a beautiful snowy day here in Pittsburgh.
Starting point is 03:13:07 I love the snow. I love wintertime. I'm getting over. What I think is the second round of COVID. But I'm feeling pretty good. It was a rough end to 2023, and I'm starting to see some light at the end of the tunnel now. Yeah, yeah, it's the weather has been down here in Alabama, has just been rainy lately, but it's staying in the 40s. So if we get snow, then we know that there's something weirds happening.
Starting point is 03:13:39 Whenever we get snow around here, it's just like no one knows what to do, and all the bread and eggs disappear. I guess everybody's making a French toast or something. yeah where's you know yeah around here you'd think that these people are from barbadoes you know it gets under 70 uh degrees and the coats come out they're they're cramming the the walmarts you know where half these people are from all right well um let's let's get into a topic here because um this is you know you and i have talked about some uh some topics before that are controversial in the mainstream. This is a topic that could possibly be controversial to most people because this is something
Starting point is 03:14:25 that I don't think most people have, most people haven't looked into. And I know that when people talk about this subject, they talk about it as it's a given, as if they know the story, the history has been written. And it turns out it looks like it's court history. you. So let's talk about pogroms in Russia against Jews. And as you point out right in the beginning of your lovely work that, well, let's talk about the origin of the term pogrom. What's the purpose of that term? Well, I think it largely comes from the Jewish language. It may have Greek backgrounds. I don't mention that here. In fact, I've never thought about it before. But I like the
Starting point is 03:15:09 idea of them using the word to separate violence against them from everybody else. You know, no one claims, you know, it's one of the arrogant claims of the ruling class today is the Holocaust affected the Jews. It's separate from everybody else. And that's a common claim. Programs, you know, you didn't hear that word too much back then. You don't really hear it now, except in relation to this. and it's just, it separates violence against Jews from violence against any other group.
Starting point is 03:15:44 So that's, you know, I think that's interesting, or at least that's how it worked out in practice. People bring up the programs in Russia, especially in the late 19th century, early 20th century, as a, you know, one of the, one of the reasons why Zionism, came into existence, why Zionism had to be created, people had to talk about having their own homeland. And basically what we're told is that, you know, just for no reason at all, people would just rise up and start killing thousands of Jews in certain locations. What does your research say about that, especially when it comes to Tsarist Russia? Well, this got started when I first read Joel Zinitsen's 200 years
Starting point is 03:16:36 because he does bring this up I hadn't looked into it in great detail before although this of course is connected to the revolution of 1905 in the January so-called Bloody Sunday
Starting point is 03:16:50 this is essentially one in the same one in the same battle Shelton Eatson says that and he's right to say this that these pogroms began after the murder of Alexander the 2nd by one of the combat organizations
Starting point is 03:17:07 that people like Tickamedo eventually abandoned but the violence against the left which just meant violence against the Jews at the time there was very few dead Jews now after his murder when you use the word pogroma you're usually talking about maybe between 1903 and 1906
Starting point is 03:17:33 where the newly absorbed areas of Western Russia brought millions of Jews into the Russian Empire at the end of the 18th century. In fact, I have another paper on Gabriel Dersov and when he was sent by Emperor Paul I to get to the heart of why are there, why is there violence and hatred against Jews in these areas? These are very wealthy. These are extremely important areas for the empire. No one wanted any trouble in these,
Starting point is 03:18:02 in these trade hubs and all of these cities were and so they wanted violence ended before it began and of course d'urzavin who tended to be you know at least neutral on the subject came back to Petersburg and said well there's some good reason for this they're they manipulate the peasants they hate them they don't charge interests amongst themselves but they do everybody else they own a huge percentage of the land more than we ever knew and that's why that the Jewish missions, as they're called, from both Alexander I'm the first and his predecessor were extremely important why various people know about them. It's rare that you had a lot of Jewish deaths in any of this.
Starting point is 03:18:48 People think that they were just sitting around counting money. No, they had very strong militants, both leftists and Zionist militias in every major town in Western Russia. And I'm talking about both Belarus and Ukraine, even in, well, now as part of Romania. They were heavily armed. There's no, you know, no such thing as a gun law in the Russian Empire. Couldn't be enforced anyway. And most of the riots were started by them.
Starting point is 03:19:22 Any time, and I list from the Russian state archives, media at the time, example after example, after example after example where a procession and there was an Easter Sunday procession that was disrupted by them any rally in favor of the monarchy or any any church festival were met by hundreds of armed Jews who wanted to break it up and when you're talking about fairly well-off cities like Odessa for example which was the Jewish capital of Ukraine for the longest time and the Jewish capital of the Russian Empire prior to the revolution when you have
Starting point is 03:20:04 a half a million Jews in a place like this any public expression of Russian orthodoxy is to them extremely offensive and they were egged on by the press which I also mentioned there was very little censorship the Jewish press was completely of themselves The leftist press was completely free.
Starting point is 03:20:29 They were incredibly irresponsible, not that anything has changed. And they created a myth that the Russians lost the Russo-Japanese War, which is an enormous myth. Anything they could to whip up hatred against the government. Not so much against capital, but against the government. I have in the Barnes Review, which is I recommend to everyone,
Starting point is 03:20:54 I had to cover a story a few years ago, I think it was 18, on the so-called Bloody Sunday massacre, which is right here in the thick of all of this, in January 9th of 1905, which was an aborted attempt to take over the government, rather than the march for peace and justice, as it's normally depicted, with no exceptions. You know, we have people, you know, challenging the narrative on the Russian Revolution, all three of them, and we have people challenging the narrative in World War II, but very few challenging the narrative of the pogromes, which still is a huge part of the elite Jewish mind. And I came across another article by Andrew Joyce, the Occidental Observer, which was excellent. He wrote this back in 2012, and people like John Clear, and in Russia, Oleg Plotanov is, you know, one of my favorite authors anyway. And, you know, he, a lot of my information came from him, whether it be the Bloody Sunday thing or the pogrom, essentially this is all part of the same continuum.
Starting point is 03:22:09 and overwhelmingly it's Russians and Russian Orthodox people who were killed in these things the only time you get an exception to them is retaliatory strikes which happened all over the place you know a bunch of Russians get killed by Jewish militants and then they actually strike back
Starting point is 03:22:26 that's usually when the state comes in and ends it but the way that the press at the time was presenting it both in Russia and in the US in Britain was that you have Jews you know, totally innocent, probably poverty-stricken, and black hundreds in the black uniforms
Starting point is 03:22:44 show up and start shooting them. They never give a reason. It's just, you know, an early version of the atrocity story. The narrative is exactly the same. I have a quote from Solzhenitsyn here in that regard, just the rape of underage girls
Starting point is 03:23:01 and things that couldn't have happened under the circumstances, with the implication that this is the nature of of Russians to do this, never give a reason, because the minute they give a reason, it becomes complicated. That means they did something. And, of course, there was always a reason, usually now, in this period of time, we're talking
Starting point is 03:23:24 about endless provocation, especially where the church was concerned. And so my paper was published in Barnview, both the Bloody Sunday and the program one, and it got a lot of positive reaction because no one has really tackled it before. And it's a pretty important piece of work for me. Silscheneson says, I'm quoting Salshaneson here, because I think that when people hear this, if they've been paying attention since October 7th, they'll, they may hear some stuff that sounds familiar in here. Soltian isn't in St. Petersburg became frantic newspaper articles were read about the murders of women and infants, and on numerous occasions, the rape of underage girls, wives raped in the presence of their husbands or parents,
Starting point is 03:24:17 quoting, one Jew had his belly ripped open and the insides came out. A Jewish woman had nails driven into her head through her nostrils. Within the same week, the Western papers reprinted these. They unconditionally believed the Russian press. Britain's leading Jews completely relied on these terrible articles and incorporated them into their protest slogans. This is, this is, yeah, this is right. This is one of the quotes that got me to start looking more and more close. I mean, Plotanov's work helped me there too. Plotanov is nothing.
Starting point is 03:24:50 I don't remember if I translated this or if this was in English, because not all of that book has been translated as far as I can see, but this is normal. And you mentioned, you know, October 7th, you mentioned God knows how many events that are treated the exact same way and there's not even an attempt to be original because the accusations are exactly the same for the last hundred years 120 years almost um and they just fill in the blank with a different country and you're a different person so the left when it comes to this kind of thing they rely on two things number one that rely on deceit you know they're aware that they're lying about this same thing for bloody sunday they know that's not what happened
Starting point is 03:25:32 this massacre for no reason and the other one is public ignorance now you couldn't say that so much in Russia because people knew especially in West Russia where they live next to each other but to this day Russia is this black spot on the American
Starting point is 03:25:47 intellectual brain such as it is and when you have a black spot on your brain you end up just filling it with whatever you come across even subconsciously because there's so Even among specialists, there's so laughable ignorance about Russia prior to the, prior to the revolution.
Starting point is 03:26:09 You could pretty much say what you want, supporting an agenda, and it's going to go through. The Soviet press, Soviet books were taken uncritically by American. Lennon's attacks on the clergy and everything else was partially based on these pogrom, as if they had anything to do with it. It was such a Jewish movement that the Bolsheviks were so Jewish that any, the pogrom was an attack on the USSR before the USSR existed. Any anti-Semitic statement was interpreted by the party as anti-Soviet as a matter of course. So, and of course, they singled out the black hundreds or the union of the Russian people, the assembly of the Russian people who still exist. And so they could just kind of create these James Bond villains. killing people for absolutely no reason and knowing full well just how powerful the jews were then
Starting point is 03:27:03 and now and how they're um how these wild exaggerate without any um talk about how these things came about who started it how heavily armed were these jewish militias in all um western russian cities and how little i mean they blamed the government for this even though they They were the only ones who came in and finally stopped it. This is an empire, not a country. So a lot of politics was local. And even in 1905, you had a provisional government erected in Odessa, with very few people know about it. It was more symbolic than anything else.
Starting point is 03:27:44 You had a lot of strikes. You had some violence during the Russo-Japanese War at home. And the strikes were targeted specifically from the defense industry. and they spread the mythology about that war same thing about World War I it was just defeatism everywhere to take any credit away from the monarchy
Starting point is 03:28:05 and then in 1906 czar signed the manifesto there are certain basic freedoms that are guaranteed and Lenin himself said this is great because now we could take advantage of it to overthrow it all so in environments like this rumors spread pretty quickly so you know the fact that jews were the wealthiest group of people in the empire at the time
Starting point is 03:28:30 is conveniently ignored or simply unknown or they or people will just say that you're jealous because you're mentioning their wealth yeah yeah well it certainly was important back then but so long as there was no attacks on the system the monarchy was quite you know interesting in letting that go just to make sure that the tax money came in that these areas were continuously built up that used to be a part of the of the Polish Empire but after a while have you know from the really from like you know 5 especially bloody Sunday and on January 9th in the strikes everything else they took advantage of a difficult situation to everything
Starting point is 03:29:20 as the Soviets did after 1980, 1919 had all these many attempts and experiment, do the exact same thing at the local level. Odessa was one of the more obnoxious versions of this, where the mayor
Starting point is 03:29:36 had the red flag over his departments in 1905. And a few other, you know, Chunk of Moscow did it to, typical leftist stuff. And they cleansed. whatever areas they control, however temporarily, of anything Russian Orthodox.
Starting point is 03:29:55 They pissed everybody off, and this is what the Bolsheviks were over that period of a generation. This is what their agenda was, and it was so Jewish that they associated the two things normally. They just go together. So an attack on a Jew is an attack on the USSR, and that's how Lenin saw. certainly on Sarkrotsky saw it, and the beginning of these policies were formulated in this era. What I see today is when I bring up like woke ideology, Frankfurt School, feminism, these things that have basically movements that are headed up and the minds behind them are Jewish. I mean, this is inarguable. This can't be argued is. what a lot of people now will say is, well, no, it wasn't Jews.
Starting point is 03:30:53 It was leftists. I'm like, well, okay, well, what are their names? And it seems like you had the same thing happening back then where it's like, you know, a lot of people listening to this right now could be like, well, if the Jews were doing all of this, you know, if they were responsible for the murder of Alexander II, well, these are just revolutionaries. They're all revolutionaries. These are people who are anti-a-z-z-ar.
Starting point is 03:31:21 They're just revolutionaries. The fact that they're Jews are secondary. But it always seems like they, when they're heading up and they're the brains behind these operations. And especially at this time, also the guns behind it, the swords behind it, they're hiding behind something else like revolution or Bolshevism so that you don't see, you. I think this is what a lot of people would say today is they would be like, well, the fact that they're Jewish doesn't mean anything. They were just revolutionaries. And it's like, okay, well, why are all of these revolutionary movements headed up by Jews? Well, it's hard to blame them.
Starting point is 03:32:04 I mean, if they have a job, if they have a normal life somewhere, they can't be talking like us. And to ease the cognitive dissonance, they have to come up with all of these explanations. you know, at the time I have it the 1897 census Jews were about 4% of the population but they were the majority of the
Starting point is 03:32:31 members of the merchant class which was an official class in the cities meaning that they ended up creating this cartel plugged into the international network and getting money from abroad they didn't charge interest to each other but to everybody else and especially the rural Russians at the time
Starting point is 03:32:50 who didn't fully understand and all the economy was monetized at this point didn't understand how money works and there were very easy marks so in the major western Russian cities Kishny of Gomez started up these places even Kiev itself
Starting point is 03:33:08 Odessa they were millions of Jews they were extremely well organized they were wealthy, they were well-armed, far better off financially anyway than the Russians who they live close to. The Kiev program in 1905 that same year, I think you had 250, roughly 200 killed,
Starting point is 03:33:32 and even according to the hospital, about 12% were Jews. These were started by very well-armed Jewish revolutionaries, making war on any symbol of either the crown or the church, which they associated anyway. And you could go on. You know, I quote a few of them where in Odessa, of course,
Starting point is 03:33:54 Jacob Breitman was the guy who started that riot with a bomb. The incendiary leaflets in the 1906 Chernigov version had three elite Jews, Yanklebrook, Pinkus Kugersky, Tamagolski, calling for the murder of. of all royalists, deaths to the czar, and a shutting down of any non-leftist or at least pro-Jewish newspaper. And this comes from Oleg Plotanov, too, in his work from 2005. In places like Stodododub, you know, 1902, so we're going on a few years earlier than that, there was a militia demanding the eviction of the Orthodox population of the city.
Starting point is 03:34:40 They're cleansing the area of these, you know, of the Gentiles. was normal. The only time it gets called the pogrom is when the Gentiles fought back. I cite the June 1st, 1906, the Jewish Bund heavily armed, attacked a nationalist, actually was an orthodox procession, killing 25 people. And let me quote the Vilna Gazette here from the Baltics, and I quoted that from Plotano that same book of his. Here's what they wrote at the time.
Starting point is 03:35:14 In Chisnau, the September 2003 riots saw the Jewish provocateurs and their well-armed self-defense units showing no care about the safety of ordinary Jews organized to attack Russians and cause disorder. One thug, Pinkish Jasevsky tried to shoot the Russian writer
Starting point is 03:35:30 Crucible on with a revolver. Unfortunately, the wound wasn't serious. And the perpetrator was arrested by the Russian people and punished by the court. Now, he says Russian people explicitly. In other words, it was a crowd that went and grabbed them. so this happened over and over and over again and since no alternative point of view was ever let you know out of the country uh at least in a way that the englishman could read it the only version of this that they got was from the jews and then later the bolsheviks so um and this is you know you have people who challenge the the holocaust in 43 44 45 but very few people challenging this uh this set of stories and it's
Starting point is 03:36:14 and it's particularly outrageous, and the rhetoric was exactly the same. What these Jewish leftists and Jewish nationalist groups wanted to do was exactly what the Soviets did a few years later. You can tell they wanted to do that because between 1905 and 1906, they were murdering governors and mayors. I think you wrote 15 governors and mayors, 267 security officials,
Starting point is 03:36:41 which would have been some form of police, and 12 bishops. Okay, so, I mean, this is echo, I look at this, and I immediately start thinking of the Spanish Civil War because that was just multiplied by hundreds, by thousands, basically. But yeah, how, if these revolutionaries are murdering, sitting officials, police, and heads of the church, how are we supposed to take it that they are the,
Starting point is 03:37:13 they're the victims here that just doesn't make any sense especially when you understand that these revolutionaries are majority Jewish you know in my paper on Bloody Sunday I say the exact same thing I use that you know we're talking about the same period of time
Starting point is 03:37:29 here and even people who don't want to deal with the fact it is an overwhelmingly Jewish movement at least at the at least at the combat organization level terrorism was a huge problem terrorism
Starting point is 03:37:47 usually you know yeah governors you had some high level people but a lot of low level bureaucrats were killed were killed too and you know the only person really that would that would do that in furtherance of some kind of secular utopia in the future
Starting point is 03:38:04 is this is this Jewish elite and I have I list so many of the names and so many papers of mine of who these people are I could I could barely I could barely keep up with them. I could hardly remember them. There's so many of them. And to even bring that up now in parts of Western Europe is to commit a crime.
Starting point is 03:38:27 The 1905 Bloody Sunday thing was such a tragedy because most of the people, a huge crowd that went to the Winter Palace in Petersburg, were very loyal. They thought that they were giving a wartime list of demands as far as working conditions, concern. The Russian working conditions were excellent at the time, and it was the leftists who were armed, who started shooting people. And so you end up with a gunfight, with government. People had no idea who they were being led by. They actually broke into the church, one of the cathedrals, and stole icons so they could march with it. So people will think, oh, this is a loyalist, this is a loyalist march. And of course, it's always deceit. They base themselves on deceit.
Starting point is 03:39:14 They used deceit to get their way. They could never get 300,000 people to march for their agenda. So they lied. And they said how moderate we are. By the time they get to the Winter Palace, they're talking about burtering the czar. No one else is. And so innocent people get killed. The state was not expecting it was a big march.
Starting point is 03:39:35 They thought it was going to be a peaceful thing. And at the last minute, they opened fire. And like it or not, it was a very Jewish movement, except for one of the leaders was Father Gerger Gippon, who was a left-wing priest, who was eventually defrocked because of a lot of this. He was a secret revolutionary, and he, but he was working with Pinchis Rutenberg, Jewish nationalist, hated everything, everything Russian. He was one of the founders of the American Jewish Congress, by the way, and the Jewish Legion during. World War I. He controlled the Palestine electric company. So he wasn't just any old Zionists. It's today the electric corporation of Israel. And he was one of the leaders, not just of the revolution in Russia, but he built one of the first Jewish militias in Palestine.
Starting point is 03:40:29 He founded Palestine airwaves. He was president of the Jewish National Council. He served in the provisional government under Kerensky very briefly. And he was a huge part, not just of the organization of the revolution from 1905 to 1980 in Russia, but then later on building the early pre-Israel militias in the Middle East. So Gapan almost was used precisely because he was a priest. They eventually murdered him when he wasn't useful anymore. But at the time, even in the West, Bolshevik and Jewish were seen as more or less synonymous.
Starting point is 03:41:14 He had the same thing in Hungary and the so-called red government in Balakun where Stalin was so upset that he said you need to have one big Jewish name in your organization. It's 100% Jewish. So they had to search and make him president of the Hungarian People's Republic who had no power, of course. It took
Starting point is 03:41:33 days to find a non-Jewish leader in Hungary. You know, by a generation, after all. of this. But so, so that those two things, public ignorance and deceit, these two things are absolutely necessary for this agenda to even have a chance of going through. What I find interesting is that the, they even controlled the press in Russia to the point where you had mentioned, I think you had already mentioned, how does that I pronounce
Starting point is 03:42:10 Chisinao or Chisano? Yeah, Chisna, yeah. Chisna, how they, the provocateurs, basically they tried to cause disorders there. And it was for the purpose of disorder to create chaos, the population will be more sensitive to manipulation. And these stories of a massacre that happened to Jews that never happened. You even have William Randolph Hearst writing in the American press. We accused the Russian government of bearing the responsibility for the Chisanao Massacre.
Starting point is 03:42:48 We declare that this Holocaust is steeped in blood. It is on Nicholas's door that we lie these killings and violence. May the God of justice come into this world and finish Russia as he finished with Sodom and Gomorrah, sweeping this hotbed of hate from the earth as a plague. And this is from, this is from Plentinoff. And I think he's quoting from, basically a lot of this was coming from like the Vilna Gazette from Russian newspapers. Yeah, the Baltimore son in earlier, earlier than this goes back to Alexander the second two in 1903. That was before even the worst of it got started.
Starting point is 03:43:34 And he, and this is why the American. view at the time was so twisted. This is why there was support for the revolutionary. There was support for the Reds amongst otherwise normal Americans because this is what they had been fed. The same thing was occurring during the Crimean
Starting point is 03:43:53 War, a generation earlier, and the same thing is going on right now. So when you have zero knowledge, especially back then, Russia was just considered a part of the Orient. You had to go to Harvard to get to get a degree in the Russian language.
Starting point is 03:44:08 Even regular state schools didn't have it. And this man is aware that he doesn't know. But because a few of these, usually rabbis, were writing in English and French and German, it must be true. I mean, how could you deny someone like that? Royce even mentions the Prussian rabbi that served as the intermediary between events in Russia
Starting point is 03:44:34 and in the West. Rabbi Yitzhak Ruf, who established himself as the intermediary between the Jews of the East and the West. And even, you know, I quote here, clear, one of the important writers more recently, was their sensationalized accounts of mass rape, which came out of New York Times, the London Times, and especially the Jewish world. The Jewish world newspaper invented a lot of this stuff. and then because of the rabbi as well as the Jewish world, the Times and the London Times in particular, and of course anything where Hearst was concerned, simply repeated this stuff,
Starting point is 03:45:15 repeated this stuff without any criticism. It's the same thing now. Very little has changed here. And no one knew the first thing about what was happening over there, why this happened, they just bought the idea that for no reason, Russians wearing black uniforms, and went in the name of God,
Starting point is 03:45:33 shot all these Jews. But the truth is the overwhelming majority of both the injured and the dead were non-Jewish because they were the ones who started this in the first place. And it wasn't just this violence by an organized militia.
Starting point is 03:45:50 It was also, you know, these leaflets and little booklets that were circulating saying we're going to kill all of these people. And if we do it, the Messiah is going to come and we could all, you know, becomes Zionists and go to Israel and rule with him. Now, you did have, like I mentioned, the Vilna Gazette and a few other places, that's from Plotanoff, and there's a few from Solzhenits in that he quotes, too, that knew what was going on and reported it.
Starting point is 03:46:15 But when you have so few people who could speak the language in Western Europe, especially the United States, it fell on deaf ears. Betharabi and Province News, also from 1903, or 1903, talking about the Jewish agitators. and Chisinau and all these other places, preparing for war, riot, and murder. And so many of their violence occurred on Easter, either the eve or the day of. And in their province news, they were eyewitnesses to this. But again, it wasn't in English.
Starting point is 03:46:53 So it never quite penetrated to, even when the exiles from the Soviets entered the West, they didn't speak English. And they didn't do a very good job of translating their work into the language that the average American could understand. Really, still to this day, they're just terrible propagandists, the monarchy especially. You know, he, for a mon, and I understand this, for the monarchy to lower itself to polemics and left-right debates, that was considered a, that's what politicians do.
Starting point is 03:47:23 That's not what the great unifier does, the great restrainer. So the problem there is that although you had many monarchist intellectuals, then and now. Ivan Illegis is increasingly well-known, Plotano of being another, Catason of so many of these great writers. Very few of them became popular in the West, spoke English, wrote in English, and it's only been very recently that a lot of this stuff has been translated for the very first time. There's still not an official translation of 200 years together into English. what we have what we have access to unless you do speak Russian and I believe it's also translated
Starting point is 03:48:09 into French or like samiz dot copies but one thing I do want to mention is we're recording this on January 6th pretty much every newspaper in the world is reporting the three years ago an insurrection attempt happened in Washington DC and How people ask, how is that possible? How is it that they, you know, they all seem so slanted. They all say, no, they have an agenda. And here's the thing. They always had an agenda.
Starting point is 03:48:46 Newspapers have always had an agenda. And especially newspapers, if you, if one group is behind a revolution and that same group also controls all of the newspapers or it controls the majority of the newspapers, and the newspapers that are being taken seriously in the West, the ones that the West will pick up on and report, well, if they belong to the same group and they're on the same side and they agree with each other,
Starting point is 03:49:14 of course they're going to have an agenda, and of course things are going to be reported in a certain way. I mean, you know, what you wrote here seems to be true. There's two sentences. The majority of the terrorists were Jews, the pogroms were a cover story for their own violence. And it's once you start looking at this, once you start, when you have people quoting their newspapers,
Starting point is 03:49:41 when you have someone like Solzhenycin who went to great lengths to detail and footnote everywhere he got his information from. And Solzhenyson, so many people who would quote his Gulag Archipelago want to ignore, or this book, well, why? Ask yourself, why if you're one of those people? Why would he, why wouldn't this be the same level of research that he put into Gulag Archipelago? I mean, it just, we know, everyone knows that the press has an agenda. They're not biased. They have an agenda. Why wouldn't they have an agenda back then? But we're not talking about it. the middle age, you know, we're not talking about the middle ages. We're not talking about
Starting point is 03:50:32 the town crier. We're talking about mass printed newspapers that are being read throughout the empire. People are being told. I was told when I was in college that the czar ruled over everything. Jews were second-class citizens and there was 100% censorship over the press. And it was only when I don't speak Russian at all, but when I learned the language to read enough to get by it opened up a whole new world because things that are of mainstream opinion over there have
Starting point is 03:51:06 no bearing on reality over here it's two different universes and now there's very few Jews left in Russia since the 1970s and USSR most of them have have left I think it's like 0.02% Ukraine is a different story
Starting point is 03:51:22 because again the farther west you go in the old Russian empire the more Jewish you get none of this stuff started until after the Polish partition when the Polish Empire fell very late 18th century some of these towns and economic hubs were brought into the Russian Empire
Starting point is 03:51:39 now they have this unmoving Cahal system to deal with and they had no experience hence the Dershaven mission to Minsk in places like that the Russians really were
Starting point is 03:51:55 very naive in dealing with these people at the time and then within 50 years you have these combat organizations using the secrecy and the autonomy
Starting point is 03:52:06 of the Kahal system to hide Shulz and Eaton and so many others and I have God the sheer amount of writing I've done on the October Revolution
Starting point is 03:52:16 it's almost absurd and you know the Jewish presence is overwhelming as I said this before there's really know there's no reason for socialism to be anti-Christian.
Starting point is 03:52:32 In fact, you had idealist and Christian socialist institutions all over old Russia. And there were some of the first things to be destroyed when the Bolsheviks took over. The working population of the peasantry, not only these are last people
Starting point is 03:52:47 that they wanted to deal with, they had no dealings with these people, but they wanted to destroy the knowing full well that the West will bail them out. The overwhelming, I mean, the overwhelming majority of the revolutionary at the time come from very wealthy, either Polish or Ukrainian, upper-class merchant families. None of these people were workers.
Starting point is 03:53:10 None of these people knew what a worker was. And in Russia, doing so well, second half the 19th century, Russia was exploding in terms of industry, in terms of money, in terms of population, in terms of the popularity of the system, they needed to act they needed to act fast and unfortunately for them they didn't they didn't pull it off in 1905 1906 but they were able to pull it off
Starting point is 03:53:36 a little bit more than 10 years later and it got to the point where if there was any orthodox you know any public orthodox presence in a city where there were a lot of Jews there was going to be fighting and the fighting came from the Jewish side
Starting point is 03:53:54 at least initially retaliation was often forbidden because of the presence of the state because this is again they knew the bad press that they would get number one and number two these are very wealthy areas they can't afford this this money to go elsewhere and because of that I mean this is what the Jewish nationalist movement was gambling on anyway and at the West wanted to believe everything negative about about Russia so they were going to jump on every little thing and I have to go through them but I have from the state archives and this comes from numerous
Starting point is 03:54:25 authors who cited this stuff, you know, act of terror after act of terror from mobs of Jews in different parts of the empire. You had the individual acts of terror where they would kill a bureaucrat somewhere. It really became a huge problem. They were getting shot all over the place and blown up. But also mob actions all over turn, it was designed in Moscow itself during the violence 1905 Odessa was one of the worst
Starting point is 03:54:58 because I had the mayor's office and they were simply shooting non-Jewish policemen. Orthodox people in that city became rebels and acted accordingly. And any act from them against the provisional government of Odessa
Starting point is 03:55:13 was seen as an anti-Semitic pogrom. Peasants reacted violently in the rural areas. The Rasta van Don manifesto, which was almost exclusively Jewish, created their own militia there, and they tried to seize power in the city there. And it was only the citizens that were able to fight back.
Starting point is 03:55:38 And then that's when you had Jewish shops that were destroyed, was beaten by the demonstrators after it, but only because of the damage that they did initially. And this happened every few months in the era that we're talking about here. and usually the aggressors were, almost always the aggressors were these Jewish militias who really were convinced, I mean, they were both Zionists and Bolsheviks or Marxists of one kind or another, like Moses Hess, that somehow we kill enough Gentiles, the Messiah will appear. Some of this seems to be what we would think of as Bolshevism, as Marxism, as being anti-capitalist. Yet we know that the, like you earlier as Solzhenitin points out that some on the left interpreted the protection of Jews in the region, the same as protection of capitalists.
Starting point is 03:56:39 Many will ask, how can Jews be Bolsheviks and also be capitalists, also be, you know, if you look at the whole, if I remember Solzhenitin, right, talking about 1810, 1820 is really when there. they become huge merchants in Russia, their wealth starts growing, they start gathering all these arms together. But it also becomes very revolutionary. It also becomes very what you would see as anti-capitalist while they're basically creating capital, I mean, the famously the alcohol, the drink, but everything else, farming, tenant farming, things like that. How do you square that circle when so because somebody somebody will ask that especially liberal like the libertarian crowd will be like well they can't be they can't be bolsheviks and capitalists at the same time what are you talking about well i'm glad you asked me that because i've spoken about that way
Starting point is 03:57:36 more than i i want to admit i have a list of the of the fundamental assumptions that both uh you know materialist Marxian socialism on the one hand has and capitalism on the other meeting, you know, advanced capitalism, you know, around today. And it's never-ending. Bolivism and capitalism are very similar at their fundamentals. And they function in very much the same way, especially today. They're materialists. They're obsessed with production and efficiency.
Starting point is 03:58:09 They believe that they are the true proper end of the enlightenment, that they're scientific, that they're the true interpretation of them. Darwin. They're secular. They're heavily Jewish at their foundations. You know, it didn't matter who ran the institutions so long as they were easily able to be controlled. All the planned economy meant in the Soviet system, especially early on, was that if you're able to plan an entire economy, that implies that you own everything to begin with. Every bit of productive capital, the Soviet Union, was owned by the party. Every bit of productive capital in the West either is owned by or goes through a very
Starting point is 03:58:55 Jewish banking cartel, and that's international, not just in the West. It's a matter of control and or ownership, not just, you know, an oligarchy is the end of capitalism. Aligarchy is in a market-based institution, assuming that that ever exists. existed, oligarchy functions the same way, the Soviet Union did, just far more and more sophisticated way, and after the fall of the Soviet Union in the 1990s, the oligarchs were almost exclusively Jewish, and today in Ukraine, exclusively Jewish. There was one exception. I think that was Putin, early on. It was the only exception to this, because the Jews separated from the USSR in the
Starting point is 03:59:39 1970s. And then suddenly it became okay to be anti-Soviet. The money was running out, and the capital is not being replaced. You know, the brechin of stagnation changed everything. So the system and the slogans and the buzzwords aren't important. It's who ends up with money.
Starting point is 03:59:59 And now beyond that, you have people like Jacob Schiff financing the Bolshevik Revolution. He knew exactly what he was doing. But because of stuff like the Hearst papers and this kind of rhetoric, how many people in the West knew what the heck of Bolshevik was?
Starting point is 04:00:15 People saw this group as able to capture the Russian market for us. One of the shocking, one of the things that should completely change one's approach to 20th century history is the fact that the U.S. and Great Britain built the Soviet economy. They had nothing in 1920. They were starving. And it was Ford Motor Company. Henry Ford himself built the largest truck plant in the world in eastern Ukraine and in the 1930s. Their entire automotive industry comes from. from that. Their tank engines, their their military plane engines, both jet and previous to that,
Starting point is 04:00:54 are either of American or British design. General Electric electrified the country. The American mining firms, what did they have? The Rothschilds owned the oil fields near Baku in today's Azerbaijan. There was no attempt to destroy the USSR. The white armies didn't receive a penny. from any, either Western government or, or capitalist. The only reason you had Western military and during the Russian Civil War was to protect the oil fields in the South or to keep stores of weaponry
Starting point is 04:01:27 from falling into the hands of the Germans. They scuttled the ammunition rather than give it to the whites. The Reds were being lavishly funded. Every staff member was paid. So, you know, This is just the nature from 1920 to, say, the mid-70s and even beyond, everything ultimately came from the U.S. or the U.K., sometimes some from Germany. They didn't have, although they were highly industrialized, by the time Lenin essentially destroyed the country, and there was no food, they didn't have much of anything.
Starting point is 04:02:08 And in the Stalin era, you had, everything was under, you know, essentially contract with Western companies. There was not one aspect of the industrialization process in the Soviet Union that didn't come fundamentally from the West. I mean, Italy was the number one, under Mussolini, was a number one trading partner for a while in the early years of the Soviet Union. They had technicians all over the USSR early on. Italy was one of the first countries to recognize the Soviet government. Everything that people think they know about this is BS. Anthony Sutton's three-volume work on this very topic and then his later work about national suicide
Starting point is 04:02:52 about how American military secrets were voluntarily given over to Soviet scientists. These weren't opposed ideological systems. They may have had divergent interests in certain parts of the world. But ideologically, they had no problem with each other. Or at least the capitalist had no problem with the Reds. There were no sanctions on the Soviet Union, not until the Jews were involved in the 70s.
Starting point is 04:03:18 All Soviets' debts were from World War II were canceled. The entire economy was built by Western technicians who then trained their Soviet counterpart. I mean, the whole Gulag system, you had American and British architects putting this stuff together, not knowing what was happening. They didn't have that skilled labor at the time. given what happened between World War I and the Civil War. Nothing that the average person thinks that the average normie thinks is true is real. And it's extremely important to know that. Capitalism is inherently revolutionary.
Starting point is 04:03:57 Karl Marx realized he said free trade is necessary for the socialist revolution because the free trade destroys all local communities. It destroys nations. It destroys any integral body beyond the family and even the family. It's revolutionary and it still is. as ideological systems outside of, you know, textbooks, the two, you know, capitalism built the USSR. There was never any big ideological divide.
Starting point is 04:04:26 And the only time, like early on, Woodrow Wilson would condemn Lenin because he was being too much like the czar. And they came up with the nonsense that Stalin was an anti-Semite. And this just nonsensical historical point of view is destroyed by Anthony Sutton. I've done my own work in the area. U.S. wasn't anti-communist. Sometimes diplomatically there were problems, you know, in Korea and elsewhere, but that had nothing to do with ideology. There was constant trade between the two countries. You can't have a cold war when you're building up your enemy. And once that's
Starting point is 04:05:05 understood and the evidence put in place, everything changes. Well, you finished out. the article by saying that the pogroms were a crude set of stories invented for several reasons. One was they covered over for Jewish violence at the time as well as during the Soviet era. It depicted the Tsar as a Jewish stereotype of bloodthirsty, bloodthirsty ignorant, hypocritical tyrant. Later it covers over violence in the Jewish USSR, run USSR. But one of those says It gave permit Britain an excuse to demonize their main global rival. How was Britain and how were they, Britain's main global rival at the time? Well, Britain had two.
Starting point is 04:05:55 Very similar country, Germany and the Russian Empire. Their populations were exploding. Their industrial potential was extraordinary. They were industrializing so fast. it's really hard to get accurate statistics. And, well, Britain couldn't fight both at the same time. In fact, they probably couldn't fight one at the same time. So World War I was partially a way to get her two biggest rivals to fight each other.
Starting point is 04:06:29 And, of course, Balkans was the flashpoint. The biggest nightmare in London, the turn of the 20th century, was an alliance between Germany and the Russian Empire. I mean, the Kaiser and the Tsar were cousins at the time. And because of the growth of the Navy, the banking system, which was under state control in both countries, the popularity of royal rule, the tremendous growth of the military apparatus,
Starting point is 04:07:00 tremendous growth of the scientific apparatus, their technological advances, all under, you know, fairly stern royal houses in both Berlin and St. Petersburg, this terrified the British. And so getting in the fight each other was pretty much the only chance they had. Then eventually, the czar was overthrown. And in 1917, 1918, the Soviet Union was put in its place, which did not threaten Britain because Britain was heavily invested over there. So it was their tremendous economic growth
Starting point is 04:07:39 under different auspices. These weren't just strictly market systems was a huge threat just like Russia's growth over the last 20 years is a huge threat to the liberal empire today. When you really start digging down deep into the reasons why
Starting point is 04:07:58 World War I would happen, many reasons, and then you start, once you start realizing that the Soviet Union was a weight, to how many capitalists, like Western capitalists, had their hands in it, even in the founding of it. It's just another one of those things that people need to realize that history isn't written
Starting point is 04:08:22 by the victors. History is written by academics, and history is written by people who write newspapers and write in magazine columns. That's all you need to know about history. And in order to really dig down deep into it, you're going to have to go back and try and find sources as close to the events as possible and be able to really read through the BS. For some reason, I've dedicated my entire adult life to that process. Self-inflicted torture. And a lot of us, a lot of us are really happy that you're.
Starting point is 04:09:03 did because at this point, trying to know, trying to understand what the truth is is really hard because, and let's face it, most people are set in their ways. Most people have already decided that they know what the truth is. So changing their minds, I really, I respect anyone who is able to change their mind and change their opinions. And most people that I meet who don't, who, you know, who, I say like 2020 is one of those times when you really needed to start reexamining and looking at what you believed. And if you, if the politics that you believed in, you thought that it was going to be, even your personal politics, how you live your life personally, how that was going to be able
Starting point is 04:10:05 to come up against people who could basically shut the world down. And just finding people who are willing to go out and do that and devote their lives to destroying these false narratives and there's just really this blatant agenda-driven propaganda. And, you know, I want to thank people like you and thank you personally for doing everything you do because I don't, I want to know the truth no matter how uncomfortable it is. Well, and that's, and I've made up my mind, even in college, I said, I don't care. I can't, what's the point of becoming a scholar if you're just going to repeat what the regime is saying all over the place? What's the point of getting a PhD in that case? What's the point of having critical skills if you're just repeating the basic fundamentals of the system?
Starting point is 04:11:02 But let me tell you something. This is very important to note. Your listeners in particular, but mine as well from Radio Albion and elsewhere, you guys are keeping me afloat here. I don't answer to anybody because I have many small individual donations or people who are subscribed to my Patreon or all. I know you'll have the links on the, on the description like you did the last time. These are the guys. Even if you can't do it yourself by supporting me and you, I can do it full time.
Starting point is 04:11:39 And I could do, you know, without an institution, without a university, without a church, without anybody. You know, it's your listeners and our listeners that have made it possible. Otherwise, I couldn't function. Yeah. Same here. Same here. I can't I can't put out the amount of the amount of material that I'm able to put out. And I think at this point from what I hear from people, the material, they believe the material is high quality and essential without people donating. So I want to encourage people to go in the show notes and go to Dr. Johnson's Patreon and support him.
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Starting point is 04:12:59 How are you doing, Dr. Johnson? Well, I appreciate you and having me back. I'm not doing too badly. Great, great. So got a topic here that I know is of interest to a lot of people, and there was no one else that I really thought to contact to talk about it. A lot of people talk about what happened, And the revolution and the subsequent civil war that happened in Russia, especially starting
Starting point is 04:13:27 in 1917, but really nobody starts getting into the nuts and bolts of how it carried out and how it played out. So I wanted to have you on today. And I guess we'll start right at about the time that after the October takeover and go from there. So you're up for that? Yeah, it's what I do. You know, for better or for worse, it's what I do.
Starting point is 04:13:55 And I have, in fact, so much writing on the topic, I can't keep them straight. I have so many papers in this era. And, of course, my book, The Soviet Experiment, really deals with the period of between 1917 and, I don't know, 1930. So the early part is, I think, the most interesting. And, yeah, there's a lot, of course, that the mainstream historians refuse. to mention and uh i i i want to fix that i want to fix it right now in fact you you have the floor go right ahead i will interrupt with any questions and uh anytime you want to you feel like the topic has come to an end i'm sure i will have a question written down here for you well
Starting point is 04:14:40 zarn nicholas the second later canonized by the russian orthodox church in exile as well as the moscow patriarch years later never abdicated the abdication note is it's phoning it's uh it's a clumsy forgery put together by the general staff um and in russia that's kind of well known it was it was a type written uh which is was never the case for these kind of imperial statement uh partly to avoid forgery uh so and so that that's uh that's one of the many myths you got to remember everything that the average normie and believes about the world is wrong. It's a series of stories.
Starting point is 04:15:26 And this is no different. They refuse to talk about the Jewish role in all of this, which is akin to talking about football and refusing to talk about the New York Jets, you know, or the NFC. It doesn't make any sense. They end up sounding ridiculous. You had, essentially two factions afterwards
Starting point is 04:15:53 liberals these all come from the wealthy elite overwhelmingly Jewish by the time the Civil War began a year or two afterwards all right wing parties had been banned as popular as they would have been
Starting point is 04:16:10 you had the social democratic revolutionary socialist that eventually became the bulk of later on, the faction of them supported the provisional government and allegedly didn't care much for violence, although I don't understand what the revolutionary would mean in their name.
Starting point is 04:16:36 And the leftists ended up joining what eventually became the Bolsheviks. And the constituent assembly didn't mean that much in Petersburg. Peterborough wasn't going to be the capital for much longer anyway. but rather the Lenin dominated all Russian Congress or Soviets. But the Soviet, that particular council in Petersburg, opposed to Lenin's agenda. So it's infighting among the extreme left. The Petrograd Soviet actually took the side of the provisional government, which is just as leftist as anything else out there.
Starting point is 04:17:16 and for a brief time they shut the Bolsheviks out Lenin and Zinovi flushed with money from Germany which is another way of saying from Western banks Germany didn't have anything to give at the end of World War I Lenin was outraged
Starting point is 04:17:35 he said this is the new Belize case as if to stretch the that was one of the ritual murder cases in Ukraine in fact from there on in, Lenin considered any criticism of the USSR, the takeover as Jewish blood libel. And he used a lot of Jewish turns afraid. So the provisional government eventually collapsed entirely. And at the same time, of course, you have the Supreme Commander Cornelov who wanted to put a break on this, on this chaos. Eventually, Cornelov was betrayed, quote,
Starting point is 04:18:15 unquote, you know, and his confederates like Khrimov, so-called committed suicide, in quotes. The provisional state and the Bolsheviks, regardless of their public disagreements, worked together all the time. The Bolshevik name, meaning, you know, Bolshoi or large or great, in this case, it means a majority. By force had their people put into the, both the Petrograd and the Moscow Soviets. Trotsky at the same time began preparations for an uprising, his so-called military revolutionary committee, thinking that this is going to guard and protect the second Congress of Soviets. It was only a handful of Bolsheviks in the capital, but the government had absolutely nothing there. So, on October 24th, 25th, a regiment or so of red forces took all the key infrastructure, power stations, telegraphs and the media.
Starting point is 04:19:14 So, on the 25th, the provisional government was officially deposed. So he triumphs only because of foreign money and violence. He then created the All-Russian Central Executive Committee, which eventually in 1937 became the Supreme between Soviet. And much of Lenin's agenda was part of his very famous book in 1917 called The State and Revolution. And I have torn this apart and he didn't mean a word of it. He justifies terrorism. But his program, 1917, talks about worker control of industry.
Starting point is 04:20:07 transfer of land to the to the peasantry, democratization of the army, etc., a convocation of a constituent assembly, which of course never happened, not to mention self-determination of nations, which was a big propaganda plank of the early Bolshevik party. That, of course, they rejected the minute they took over. the bolsheviks were a tiny party flushed with foreign cash it was a it was a judeic party and this is a key element the jews were the beneficiary of these of these events i also want to note that the white armies received zero support from the western powers the interventions were there to keep Germany from re-arming itself to take the ammunition that the Russians were using during the war and then they'd give them to the whites, they threw them in the water, just off of Murmansk.
Starting point is 04:21:12 And this is at a time when UNDINich forces were doing very well. White forces were doing very well. But, you know, you had someone like Montgomery Skylar, Captain in the Army, American Army, said in a telegram, he said, that. Russian Jews dominate Soviet Marxism and the correspondent for the London Times, the very well-known Robert Wilton, who wrote the last day to the Romanos in 1920, actually lists all their names and in the Soviet, 384 Bolshevik deputies and about 300 were Jews. And the same thing for their so-called opposition, the Petrograd Soviet had almost 300 people and 271
Starting point is 04:21:57 were Jews and of that 271, 265 were brought by Kratky from Brooklyn and he arrived with, you know, Wall Street millions and, you know, if you've read
Starting point is 04:22:15 the last day of the Romano's, a lot of this will be is already well known. Russians had very little to do with this so-called revolution. So in Staten Revolution, he made these promises and he had no intention of keeping. No army, no police. You'll be an architect one day, like Marx says, and you'll be a grocer the next day and intellectual
Starting point is 04:22:44 the third day. But violence and coercion was always going to be a part of the agenda, no matter what. When he talks about, whether Engels or Lennon talks about the withering away of things, he means the old system. He doesn't mean his. Yet they call the police force by a different name. And therefore, you could say the withering away of the of the police. But there, even Frederick Engels. And then Lenin, of course, echoed him by saying that this is the nature of revolution. It's a terrorist method. It's, and I'm quoting him directly, it's whereby one part of the population imposes its will upon the other part by means of
Starting point is 04:23:26 the rifles, bayonets, and cannon. He also then says that the victorious party has to maintain its rule by terror. He talks about the reactionaries, but the white armies were so scattered without supplies
Starting point is 04:23:42 and having no ideological core. They were well led, but the Soviets had the propaganda outlets down. You know, the dictatorship of the proletariat was one of Engels' ideas from Marx, and of course, is one of the few things
Starting point is 04:24:02 that Lenin took very seriously in that book. It started off in October of, actually November of 1917, the decree in the media, which shut down all opposition publications. And then the All-Russian Extraordinary Commission was created, a checker. under the leadership of Felix Dersinski, who is a, who is not, not Russian. He's Jewish and from, and from Poland. So when Kerenzky fell, and again, I don't think there were as bitter enemies as they're made out to be, the officers in PetroGuard completely gave up. They didn't have, they didn't know what was what.
Starting point is 04:24:52 They claimed to want a constituent assembly. but of course at the same time the Cossack areas had refused to be a part of it the constituent assembly was a theory more than a reality even there the elections really never mattered but only leftist parties could be a part of it and the Bolsheviks got about 20% of the vote
Starting point is 04:25:13 with a turnout rate of like 40% because again these weren't competitive elections the Petrograd Soviet Soviet is different from the constituent assembly which never really mattered but the elections took place it's like having a one party
Starting point is 04:25:32 state if a democrat's definitely going to win the election the only race that matters is a democratic primary and it's the same thing here that Lenin had so much money and was you know not being a Russian himself surrounded by non-Russians was willing to do
Starting point is 04:25:48 whatever it took to take power so again foreign correspondence talk about this at great length. It wasn't until March in 1918 that they changed their name to the Bolsheviks, but the more they put its agenda
Starting point is 04:26:04 into practice, the more they were hated. And then that very same month, November of 1917, they took over the urban factories, workshops, everything, anything that produced anything in Petrograd and Moscow.
Starting point is 04:26:21 And the economy in the meantime had collapsed entirely. supported only by Western assistant. So you had left-wing opposition, you had right-wing opposition, but since Wall Street had already put its bet on the Bolsheviks, as at least the most, I mean, even said, Lloyd George said that Trotsky was the only statesman in Russia. And one of the things that the left eventually disagreed on vehemently
Starting point is 04:26:52 was the peace treaty, a separate peace treaty, in 1918 with the central powers. And, you know, Trotsky was against it. Lennon wasn't in favor of it. But he knew that if he was going to take over, he needed to engage in tremendous repression. You know, Lennon, you know, it's common to hear that Lennon promised the destruction of the landlords and land given to peasants. The only problem is, is that by the start of the country, of World War I, 95% of the peasantry owned their own land. Landlords meant the peasants themselves.
Starting point is 04:27:31 The decree on land, all land was immediately declared state property. So whatever the peasants received, the ones smaller than what they had before, and they were users never owned it. I mean, they rejected private property, so I'm not sure how they could promise anyone their own plot of land. By definition, it's a lie. Zaris, Russia was a prosperous place. Now, of course, they're dealing with shortages of absolutely everything.
Starting point is 04:28:00 These are revolutionaries. They have no idea how to run a country. The Jewish run, something called the Breadfront, a war against the peasantry, starting in November of 1917. In 1918, it became the food and requisition army to take so-called surplus food. And that's when private trade was declared a crime, punishable by death. by the way. There were guard outposts everywhere. This is, you know, this is at the beginning of the so-called Red Terror. And it really never ended.
Starting point is 04:28:32 To a great extent, the Civil War never ended because there was never, up until World War II, there was never a time where there wasn't peasant revolts happening everywhere. The point being that power over food means power over everything. Lenin calls this the security of any socialist transformation. He always used mystification. You can never take him at his word since he's using a very different vocabulary, and it's designed to fool people. It's meant to be deceptive. But the so-called food army had the mandate to confiscate property, take hostages, which, by the way, during Civil War was a very important way of controlling parts of the country, and, of course, to shoot any,
Starting point is 04:29:22 resistance. That's also part of his socialist transformation. And we have him, for example, his encyclical to Sadatov explicitly says to shoot anyone who opposes him, to round up the so-called Kulaks, which could be anybody. And of course, taking hostages was extremely important. And it kind of is the apogee of all leftist revolutions that came before. And I'd be remiss if I didn't mention the committees of the poor which was a rhetorical concoction where you took the poorest in other words people who couldn't work the mentally ill you know brigands whatever it was and they they had the right to then take whatever they wanted in the name of the of the Soviet government so um but and this is the reason that
Starting point is 04:30:16 the Russian Civil War began and why it it became as expansive as it was in 1918 even the checker says 245 major counter-revolutionary demonstrations were recorded just in 20 provinces of central Russia I mentioned the Cossacks already
Starting point is 04:30:38 the entire Don region had revolted but 1919 every plus except those two cities the two main cities had revolts against the red there were both leftist results and rightest results including members of the white army they weren't all right wing now
Starting point is 04:30:56 huge revolt against these policies in Siberia that never really had any kind of serfdom and central Russia too and one of the ways that the Soviets defeated this was by the use of of poison gas
Starting point is 04:31:14 now I don't know if gas had been banned by then was obviously used in World War I and the Red Army from Trotsky on down these aren't really military men these were revolutionaries they knew how to operate a guerrilla war revolutionary war but not how to run a normal war the peasants were armed
Starting point is 04:31:37 and the white forces never quite made the connections with the peasant revolts that they that they should have the use of poison gasworth was never done by the whites was done by the Reds on a regular basis but these peasant revolts they didn't have the supplies the whites never had the supplies they never had a common leadership they didn't have a coherent goal other than some vague
Starting point is 04:32:02 kind of agrarianism I don't know I guess I guess the latest number is like 25% of the peasants participated in the uprisings in the entire country and And maybe 0.8% of the population, half million people, were active in terms of imposing communist policies on the country's side. And then, of course, the Constitution written by, you know, Lenin and his friends, adopted in 1918, was also just justification for terrorism since anyone they didn't like was called a non-laboring class, non-laboring group, which of course included the clergy. and any peasant that was doing fairly well. You know, about 5 million peasants hire at least one worker at harvest time. And remember, the deprivation of rights wasn't just to the person, but all their family members. And it also meant the deprivation of food rations.
Starting point is 04:33:01 The Soviets were able, at least in the big cities, to put them on rations. And, of course, they couldn't be educated or anything else. So the Constitution, which, you know, they followed when it was in their interest. it removed the very concept of personal guilt. Now it's collective guilt and collective punishment. So the head of the Petrochekka, Moses Yuritsky, was killed by one of these moderate social revolutionaries, and London was actually wounded that very same day.
Starting point is 04:33:36 So that gave him the excuse to increase the level of terrorism. Any Bolshevik that's killed, a bunch of hostages will be automatically shot. And that was renewed again in February of 1990. This is also the origin of the Gulag system, which was built with Western money and expertise, since the Soviets had none of their own at the time. Remember, the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk. Some people will claim that the Gulag system was already in existence with the Tsar. Well, then they're idiots.
Starting point is 04:34:12 There were no, prisons were monasteries in most of imperial, imperial Russia. If you were sent to Siberia, you were lodged in a private house. And they all escaped one time or another. Just you had to walk quite a ways to escape. There were no bars or anything like that. There certainly was no, anything like a systematic prison system. You had, you know, Peter and Paul Fortress. These were used on occasion, especially, you know, just before the war.
Starting point is 04:34:42 but um but there was no such thing as a labor camp uh in the in the czarist era and some monarchists actually fault him for that he didn't take strong enough measures uh and not really actually you know underestimating his his um his opposition so uh that would if anyone would hold that view is, you know, knows nothing since nothing like that existed. It was a very modern, very you know, the whole concept of a
Starting point is 04:35:18 systemic series of camps integrated with the economy and staffed by, you know, whoever was unlucky enough to be arrested, that was a Soviet creation. And it didn't end with the so-called victory in the Civil War in 1922.
Starting point is 04:35:36 He continued. He said this, Lenin says this to the People's Commissar of Justice, that we have to expand the use of executions and murder without any apology, without any embellishment, and make the causes for execution to be as broad as humanly possible. And the broader point here is that it proves that Lenin, Trotky, Stalin did not differ, really in any respect, not ideologically, not in terms of policy. The only difference is that Stalin had more cancer at his disposal and had full control over the country, for the most part, where Lenin did not. And the very fact that Lenin regularly used terror, I mean, it was a normal policy tool, especially after the murder of Yuritsky. terror became day-to-day and that includes the the camp system and they weren't they weren't shy about this or shying about it and the western press didn't say a word about it all three
Starting point is 04:36:52 men used terrorism purges the gulag system it was a normal part of soviet Marxism from the second they took over Stalin continued the same policies but he thanks to western especially American investment, had an industrial economy eventually to work with. So, you know, again, that's a very brief summary of these things, but obviously the situation is far more complex than those people realize. Well, I think most people would think that this happened because they wanted to, you know, institute communism as far, much like Marx said, you have a dictatorship of the proletariat, takes you into the workers' paradise. But they never had that plan at all in place.
Starting point is 04:37:46 So what was their plan? What was their main motivation? I mean, they had no problem killing thousands and tens of thousands. They had no problem of just exterminating whole groups. So what was the whole goal of all this? Why were they doing this? Well, this is, Answering this question is part of why I wrote the Soviet experiment because they had no interest in labor except rhetorically. They redefined the word worker however they wanted a proletarian however they wanted. It ultimately was to collect the entire wealth of the Russian Empire in the hands of the party. And you have to have all the wealth in your possession if you're going to centrally plan the economy. and after the NEP was outlawed, so was any kind of profit.
Starting point is 04:38:46 So, and then the Jewish agents sent that to the USA. The close, you know, the state and revolution is the place to go to see his basic agenda. Karl Marx refused to talk about what the future society would look like, which is very suspicious. you know they were certainly Marxists they put Marx into practice as best as best they can so it's extremely important to note that that again they use the rhetoric but certainly never explained how the well-rounded man of the Marxist utopia could ever be created by violent revolution and the rule of the party you know doing away with a division of labor doing away with with money to have a man expert in all important feelings
Starting point is 04:39:36 He doesn't explain how this is going to be done. They didn't try to make it. I suppose they could just change the definition of terms, and so they could create a workable consensus just through authoritarian control. This is exactly what they did, and it was completely lawless. Lenin refers to the narrow horizon of bourgeois law. In other words, the party is the law. And it's important to note that they wanted to make believe that they were opposed by the Western world, and they knew very well. Both Trotsky-Inland knew very well that they were financed by this same Western world, that the so-called Red Cross mission was a cover for the British and the American Wall Street type.
Starting point is 04:40:31 and they knew that they weren't going to be called into account. They knew they were going to be covered for. And that they considered the profits eventually that they made in the USSR as their payback for supporting them. And this way Germany could never rearm itself. It's one of the reasons they also built a strong Poland. And Germany can never rearm themselves. It's the only reason that they really cared about this.
Starting point is 04:40:59 and as far as a unified front only the Bolsheviks had it and no one ever talked about the uprisings in throughout the entire country and you know that was nothing you know nothing mentioned about that the elections existed but were completely phony and their war was against Russia itself
Starting point is 04:41:25 remember both Marx and as well as a few other revolutionaries like Moses Hess went on and on and on about how evil the Slavs were, not leadership, but Slavs in general. And that even Engels said that the revolution is partially aimed at Russia and Eastern Europe. So long as Russia exists, you can't have, in the royalist form, you can't have a global revolution. They said this over and over again. even Lenin used phrases like Russian fools or half barbarians or or whatever and the excuse was that they said that the you know Russian workers were didn't have the proper Marxist consciousness because either they were too stupid or they needed to be dominated somehow which of course is exactly what happened you know the terrorism was justified in that they're building a new a new man and you know the only thing it really came out of it is corpses. The only thing they were produced
Starting point is 04:42:28 properly. The economy was never stable and every screw in that industry, and any industry that the Soviets had came from the West. You know, GE laid out their electrical grid, Ford, and Henry Ford personally, invested in eastern Ukraine where the entire
Starting point is 04:42:48 Soviet automotive industry came from. Even the organization of the Gulag a military apparatus completely built by a western capital, but eventually they took it over and added their own spin to it. There was no one in the USSR in the early years that had this sort of expertise. They were either dead or in exile or just refusing to be a part of it. Russia, even the word Russian was generally prohibited in public life until the end of the 1930s. the head of the Communist Institute of History, and then Pukroski was the head of that. He created the so-called writing of Soviet history in the 1920s.
Starting point is 04:43:33 Even the phrase Russian history, according to him, was a counter-revolutionary idea. And in my various papers, I've listed all the place names that they change from Russian names to local names. Petrov's port for example was changed Verlini was changed to Almaata Removing Russian names This should just sound pretty familiar Libraries were completely purged
Starting point is 04:44:04 And as both Lenin and Stalin believed That there will be a global language And they'll use Latin letters In this global language In fact they created a new alphabet The All Union Central Committee Of the new alphabet that actually existed.
Starting point is 04:44:22 So, and this is temporary. They never went back, but somehow trying to please local nationalists was the way to get them to support Bolshevism. The minute they did so, they were incorporated into the USSR and totally denationalized. Lenin, just like Marx and Engels before him,
Starting point is 04:44:42 realized that only a denationalized worker, he can't have any ties to the land or to the nation. nation or to religion, because this was a totalitarian project where every aspect of human life can be regulated by the state via the action and policy of the party. So there was a whole lot of things going on here. It was, you know, a Jewish hatred of all things Roman. This was a Jewish revolution to a great extent.
Starting point is 04:45:12 It was to concentrate all the wealth of the empire into their hands. it was creating a new man and to use a mechanized empire to destroy really the only counter-revolutionary force they saw in the world after World War I, which was Russia. And things have gone steadily downhill since. In the time of 1918 to 1920, I know that it would be very hard to answer this question accurately.
Starting point is 04:45:46 How many Russians do you think they killed? Well, even in the de-stallonization campaign under crucial shift, during the civil war, you see, it's hard to tell in a civil war who died from combat and who died from, for political reasons. Of course, you have, you know, anywhere between a half million and a million combat deaths. but of course this was an era of tremendous excess mortality because World War I had just ended. But the camps were stuffed pretty early because everyone, including a lot of their leftist supporters, were considered unreliable. Lenin always thought that quality and focus is far more important, it's a very Jewish idea, than having a lot of member. You know, so you're talking about at least six figures.
Starting point is 04:46:48 By the end of Stalin's era, you're talking about, you know, seven figures. And as Stalin said, you know, one death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic, meaning it's easier to swallow the concept of a million people killed than someone you know being killed. I know that in any kind of revolution such as this was going to be, the church would have to be eradicated. Was there something personal about the Russian Orthodox Church that they, something that they took personally that caused them to do what they did? Yeah, this is the church that refused to make peace with jury.
Starting point is 04:47:33 And it's part of the reason why Slavs, and by that they largely mean Russians and Serbs, were targeted. And the Russian people, not, you know, not leadership, but the Russian people themselves were the target of destruction. Marx and Engels called for this. Merciless terror, as Engels called, the same thing occurred in Hungary. In that case, the party was almost 100% Jewish. And I have all the leadership names in a separate paper. There were no Hungarians in the Hungarian Soviet takeover.
Starting point is 04:48:07 But you have, yeah, there's a whole as a church is concerned. It's one of the proof that this is a Jewish movement that under Lenin and the early Stalin, the church was absolutely decimated. The church is what animated the monarchy, which in turn was the bulwark to revolution everywhere. You know, even using Slavs against, like, say, the Austrian monarchy was against their,
Starting point is 04:48:41 their policy. Slavs were targeted, therefore orthodoxy was targeted. It's an alternative source of loyalty and absolutely, you know, Marx was a materialist. He was a Darwinian and he used Darwin quite a bit as did Engels, as did as did Lenin. Don't forget, Marx was on the side of the Western aggression against Russia during the Crimean War. They were opposed to any anti-war movement. That was going on. The fact that you have a starving population, a collapsed economy, and very little hope for the future in 1918, their number one priority is to destroy the church. Yes, this was a hatred. The Jews despise the Russian monarchy, and they despise the church. This was a militant, large, growing, and very powerful empire under the monarchy that would not give in to the demands of the Jews like the British had done. and so when they took over they started this this slaughter that went on
Starting point is 04:49:43 Stalin did not mitigate it that's another myth I have written written about elsewhere there was this war it wasn't much left and then he created his own kind of pet church in 1943 with a few bishops that were in prison and ended up being the so-called Soviet church so yeah of course it was personal it was it was ethnic Russian orthodoxy was the number one threat as far as the Jews were concerned 90% of whom
Starting point is 04:50:16 I shouldn't say that maybe 80% of jewelry was was from the east so you know we talked about the pogroms the last time we talked about the mythology there Lenin
Starting point is 04:50:32 because of of the constant accusation this is the Jewish movement he banned any reference to it. The so-called anti-Semitic legislation. People were in the gulag for this kind of thing. Lenin fully admitted the Jewish nature of the revolution. He mentioned it over and over again. There was no denying. You could list all the names. There's nothing you could do about it. And of course, anything the Soviet government did, especially in this era, has to be laid at the feet of those who ran it. And these were, they weren't
Starting point is 04:51:04 even Russian Jew, as I mentioned before. Robert Wilton and so many others, the Dutch ambassador, the French ambassador, they all say this over and over again, and their number one target, even before the economy, will be the destruction of
Starting point is 04:51:20 the church. I think a lot of people would be able to wrap their heads around the kind of evil that they perpetrated. If there was some If there were some kind of practical, ideological, something like that, it just seems, it's hard for a lot of people to look at this and try to even begin to rationalize it when it's just complete violence.
Starting point is 04:51:49 I mean, and, you know, I come, I bring it forward to, you know, the thing that I, I like to study a lot is the Spanish Civil War. and what they did to priests and nuns and seminarians and churches, looking in from the outside, I don't even think people take it seriously because it doesn't make sense. It doesn't even seem real to most people, you know, that they would burn down 6,000 churches, that they would execute priests in the street, you know, in the thousands. As human beings, as, I don't want to say human beings, as Christians, how do we we even look at this kind of violence and how do we try to rationalize anything and try to understand anything about what they did well with the fall of the third rome rome itself was
Starting point is 04:52:39 removed from the equation and in the ancient church it was fully understood you even see this in in the apocalypse that once the restrainer that is to say the emperor uh will be murdered destroyed removed the end will begin and you know god may extend the period of time of history post rome uh for the sake of our repentance but it's going to be a time of suffering how long it will be i don't know if we're not in the time the early period of antichrist's rule then you know it'll never happen um everything that even the fathers who barely had a vocabulary for this kind of thing said what happened is happening not just locally but for the first time on an absolutely global scale whether we like it or not this is a time of suffering this is a time
Starting point is 04:53:36 of martyrdom clearly you have an entire class of russian new martyrs which are those men slaughtered by the communists from 1917 right up until the late 70s and the gulag was never taken down except eventually near the end of Gorbachev's rule. We talked about the pogroms last time. I mentioned that again, because so many of these were restarted by Jewish attacks on religious processions. The idealism, the authority over our decisions that comes from the existence of God, Logos, natural law in the church, is absolutely intolerable. The revolutionary creed is that they're going to create a new man because they assume that man has no human nature. It's up to them to create it. The old
Starting point is 04:54:32 Kabbalistic Tukun alam, which most of your listeners I know realize what that is, the healing of the world, taking the sparks in the Kabbalah at creation and gathering together all of this light in the proper vessels. And that proper vessel is jewelry. By definition That's why I quote Moses has to a lot of these guys And that's the nature Of the Chabad movement right now
Starting point is 04:54:59 I know I can't do the guttural sound But everyone knows what I'm talking about This even when they took over the Winter Palace The Bolsheviks destroyed everything inside They wipe feces on things You know it was it was almost a A form of possession They didn't just kill
Starting point is 04:55:16 Zarnikoulis in a ritual They slaughtered the whole family And all their servants sexually molested the girl and God knows what else they did and it took a long time for them to die this was considered then and now the Russian church as a redemptive sacrifice
Starting point is 04:55:36 almost an imitation of Christ's sacrifice at the fall of Rome the day that the czar was murdered is the beginning of the end and that's one way and in fact I think the most important and patristic way to look at these kind of events yeah yeah well when you look forward from the from the revolution revolutions was it really ever
Starting point is 04:56:01 really a revolution really wasn't it a civil war wasn't it just a civil war being a struggle over who gets to control the power of a of the government well that would be nice if they just left it at the government no a revolution it's not just a change in government Calling it the American Revolution is a big mistake. The nature of a revolution implies turning everything on its head, and I mean everything, the nature of what it is to be human. The family, sexuality, the church, the banning of anything spiritual, mechanization of all things, the creation of a brand new earth. I mean, Christ promised new heavens and a new earth in the Old Testament. This is a new heavens and a new earth by mass party creation.
Starting point is 04:56:51 mechanistic method. It's the inversion of everything. The spirit is not superior to matter. Matter destroys spirit. Everything is turned on its head. Inversion is the key issue. That there is not a single human relationship that doesn't come under the control of the party
Starting point is 04:57:12 as much as humanly possible. So to completely uproot the old society, I mean, no one did it as thoroughgoing as Mao and Pol Pot, which was their explicit agenda. And the use of terror is a part of that, to completely disorient people, to make them suggestible, to make them fearful, looking for any kind of a savior, but certainly not in Christ. Not to mention the fact, it's not a materialist ideology, obviously, and it's an alternative source of loyalty. That's what a revolution is. The complete inversion and complete remaking of all social relationships.
Starting point is 04:57:51 just a change in government, everyone would have been much better off. When Stalin finally takes over, what is the change there? Because even more so, it seems, than Lenin and Trotsky, who eventually, Lenin dies, Trosky gets, falls out of favor with Stalin. When it gets into the point where Stalin is doing his purges and he's even purging the people close to him, But what is he trying to do at that point? What is he trying to create at that point? Well, as I said in the beginning, as I say in my book on the topic, ideologically, and even at the level of tactics, there is no substantial difference among Lenin, Trotkin, Stalin.
Starting point is 04:58:38 They just had different tools at their disposal. Stalin ruled after the Civil War was over, and for the most part, the peasantry. country having been slaughtered in huge numbers. Now, the deliberate famines throughout the reign of Lenin in early Stalin, you're talking about, you know, five million people, which was, you know, they were living on Western aid anyway, Western food aid. So it really didn't matter whether they had food or not. They only really cared about the cities. Lenin's goal, of course, was to create one, the world would be one big factory that would mechanize agriculture. Everything would be like the mechanized city everything would be turned into a factory everything would be
Starting point is 04:59:23 dedicated to completely transforming nature that's why it's a totalitarian system nothing can be outside of the of an agenda like that there is no area you know if you're a materialist you can't believe in free will because matter is just cause and effect it's certainly uh you know to believe in free will by definition you have to think that the human consciousness um is immaterial or else there is no no freedom and when you reduce human beings to just matter in motion, then who cares if you kill a lot of them? If that's all they are, then there's nothing special about them. They could produce machines, and that's pretty much about it.
Starting point is 05:00:01 If they're not involved in that, then there's no reason for them to be around. And again, St. Tikon in his writings against this system during the Civil War, which had become silent by the time of Stalin, so few people were left. the exile organization continued to put out materials on as to what's going on. They supported Hitler's invasion, obviously, since anything was better than that. The difference really with Stalin is that he already had a pacified country. Industrialization was in its infancy there. It had occurred under the czar.
Starting point is 05:00:40 It was industrializing rapidly. And then bringing in Western, especially British, German and American investment to build the industrial base of the country, the heavy industry necessary for any, you know, worldwide factory to create a far more totalitarian and efficient state than ever before. You know, the Bolsheviks didn't really matter except in Petersburg and Moscow. The countryside, you know, that had to be pacified and that took a very long time. And again, more peasants were starved to extract every bit of value. from the food that they grow to feed the machines to feed the the cities because that was the
Starting point is 05:01:25 nucleus of revolution not the the countryside you had some old so social revolutionaries in the late 19th century early 20th century who believed that the peasantry can create a new communal way of life which of course they already had it just had to be on an atheist basis not on on the old christian basis you had labor cooperatives all throughout czarist russia the artel system is a local union wherever you know the tools are shared and this all existed long before and these are the first things that the bolsviks destroyed the all this stuff was already happening it was already developing rapidly um by the time the the marches took over but Stalin was able to rebuild it on a new basis with foreign money everything about the bolsheviks
Starting point is 05:02:14 was foreign I mean that's all you have when you don't have that many real supporters but by the 1930s, you had a lot of opportunists and careerists realizing that I'd better join the party or at least say I like them or else I'm not going to be able to get a job, which of course was true. No one wants to sacrifice themselves for this if they think it's, you know, the rule of the communists is inevitable. So Stalin, it was just a matter of degree. It was just, you know, he had the beginnings of a mechanized infrastructure to work with,
Starting point is 05:02:43 which makes persecution much much easier. Can you, I know you have a hard out, but can you take a couple minutes to go over something that you talked about at the end of the pogroms episode was, and you already started talking about it, was the fact that they, they couldn't, they didn't have anybody who could do anything. So everything had to be done by the West. Like, can you remind everybody who, their automobile manufacturing, their oil refining, everything that they were doing, who was, who was helping with this? and, you know, why this isn't when people, when a lot of communists today, people who call themselves communists from their iPhone, say that that wasn't real communism, why it really wasn't real communism, it was just some, I mean, maybe it was, maybe, you know, as I've argued, I've argued before, maybe this is what they're doing is the only way, the only thing you can ever call communism is this
Starting point is 05:03:43 is what it's going to look like, but can you talk about how they just couldn't, they had to basically import everything, even manufacturing? Yeah, I mean, you had a manufacturing base in the, in the Tsar's empire. And it was growing, very much like the German industry was growing rapidly. And for the most part, they were trading with each other. Oil was discovered in, you know, what we call Azerbaijan today. The only reason the British, British ever intervened during the Russian Civil War in the South was to secure these oil fields. Certainly had nothing to do with the Reds. You know, the Reds were really a tool in their hands.
Starting point is 05:04:27 I discovered this through the work of Anthony Sutton, in particular, a book published by the Hoover Institution, Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development from 1945 to 1965. And then his other one, technological treason, a catalog of U.S. firms with Soviet contracts from 1917 to 1982. And in all of this, you have major firms. The two that I use all the time is GE for the electrification, which was a Stalinist thing. You had a major mining company in Alaska, whose name I can't remember off the top of my head,
Starting point is 05:05:04 who laid out their, well, the mining was very important. important, Neuro Mountains. Henry Ford built the largest truck plant in the world near Kharkiv and the extreme eastern Ukraine. And as Sutton lays out, you have weapons manufacturers
Starting point is 05:05:21 in Germany, in Britain, and in the U.S. building their army. It all comes from the West. They did at one time have a substantial workforce in certain places for industry, but that was all gone.
Starting point is 05:05:39 Nothing was functioning. The Soviets had no idea how to run anything. They were professional revolutionaries. The only choice thing. But the fact that this Western building of the U.S.S.R completely destroys the whole narrative of the 20th century. The fact that the
Starting point is 05:05:54 whites were never, ever assisted by the Western powers. And in fact, the Reds were. And sometimes people in the middle. But the whites suffered from lack of supplies because the West and eventually Coltrak
Starting point is 05:06:11 Danikin had to admit this right in their memoirs they said they said we didn't get a bullet our supplies came from what we were able to capture from the Bolsheviks now as far as military assistance throughout the Soviet
Starting point is 05:06:26 era including after the after World War II Sutton also in 1973 he published national suicide military aid to the Soviet Union the Red Army was built in the West. So the major companies saw
Starting point is 05:06:42 the Bolshevik Revolution as opening up a new market. One of the biggest markets, one of the biggest trophies, Lord George used to say, was whoever was able to pry open the Russian market. And they took advantage
Starting point is 05:06:58 because they financed the Bolsheviks. Once they took over, they wanted their payback, and that was in this kind of in this kind of profit so you know the West intellectuals people like
Starting point is 05:07:16 you know Herbert George Wells saw thanks to bias press coverage you know this is you know the Soviet system is is the future a totally administered state a totally administered society this is this is how we're going to rationalize everything on the model of behavioralist
Starting point is 05:07:34 psychology Oh my God, even in the early 20s, the starvation had already set in, President Hoover and the American Relief Administration organized the import of vast qualities of food. But they were also exporting wheat in order to earn money for, you know, German revolutionaries. You can't claim to be opposed to Bolivism while you're financing it. And that was just the very beginning. Avril Harriman during World War II, he talked about, you know, Stalin admitting and paying tribute to the assistance rendered by the U.S. before and during the war. Stalin and Harriman both said that about two-thirds of the large industrial enterprises and the U.S.S.R had been built with United States help, financing, or technical assistance. and that was a direct quote actually
Starting point is 05:08:32 I got straight out of the out of the Sutton book you know then and now you go in as a university as a Bolshevik you're celebrating national solicit a very different kind of reception but because of all of this
Starting point is 05:08:50 because of the Western investment what still isn't well known everything about the 20th century history is, has to be completely revised. And, you know, I could go on. In fact, I have a couple of papers.
Starting point is 05:09:08 Actually, in the book, in the Soviet experiment, I have a full list of all the major companies, many of which are well known. They're, you know, predecessors of Boeing and Northrop Grumman. All of this, heavily invested, all kinds of infrastructure projects. Like Stalin said, like Avril Harriman said, maybe two-thirds came from the West and Western financing as one of the reasons that they were able to win World War II, but it didn't stop afterwards.
Starting point is 05:09:38 There was never any sanctions on the USSR during the so-called Cold War. Yeah, it never made sense to me when I was a kid that the first thing that Reagan did when he got into office was lift the grain embargo on the Soviet Union. I'm like, isn't that supposed to be, aren't, isn't that our enemy? What are we doing? Yeah. Well, it shows how much, how limited the president's power is. Yeah, the embargo was very briefly put on the USSR for the same reason that the U.S. boycotted the Olympics in, what was that, 76, I think, under Jimmy Carter. It was for the invasion of Afghanistan. Yeah, in 1980. Yeah, that was for the only point of that. It had nothing to do with they were.
Starting point is 05:10:26 You know, there were Marxists or anything else. And to those people who say it's not real communism, then I'd say to them that, well, the society you live in isn't real capitalism either. Anyone can say that. Anyone can rationalize their failures by saying, oh, they didn't do it right. And yet every time these governments come to power, including the one that rules the U.S. today, they do the exact same kind of things. Using terror and surveillance is part and parcel of the left from the British Revolution straight on. to today in the postmodern revolution in the U.S. over the last 40
Starting point is 05:11:00 years. It's identical in every case. They use the same rhetoric. They use the same methods. These days, of course, it's a lot more refined and psychological. It was a little cruder before. But it was the same, you know, the Paris commune. It was the same exact
Starting point is 05:11:15 method and the same people behind it. You know, so that the Jewish left is the engine of revolution. And they are ushering in this new era to Kunalaam.
Starting point is 05:11:30 All right, remind everybody where they can find your work and support you. I'll make sure to include links to everything that you've given me
Starting point is 05:11:38 before and we'll end us. Well, I appreciate that. You know, what I've been saying here is a minuscule percentage of what I've written
Starting point is 05:11:48 and it's hard to answer these questions when you know way too much about a topic. So we end up all over the place. But my weekly lecture, actually two weekly lectures are to be found at Radio Albion, you know, the other word for England. I've been there for a very long time. There, and with the
Starting point is 05:12:14 links that you provide, you could find my books, mostly on Russian issues and related topics. and of course a place the Russian Orthodox Medievalist which is my own website which is still up and the Orthodox medievalist box there which you could use to directly donate to me because I
Starting point is 05:12:33 require donations to function the other option is my Patreon page which I know you have usually have a link to where you know I have numerous books worth of material I publish a long essay maybe two or three times a month, not just on Russian stuff either, it's kind of all over the place.
Starting point is 05:12:56 Tons of stuff on the war in Ukraine, tons of stuff on the war in Israel. You know, it's generally this international politics and some domestic stuff to be found on Patreon. And that's a big deal to me. So if you want to support me, go to those links and help me out because I don't have a big institution like a university or a party behind me. So this is all self-finance, and it's your listeners, and people like your listeners who've kept me in business all these years. I think they all appreciate it every time you come on, and I think that's why they go and they make sure that you get supported so you can keep up your work. So I will include all those links, and as per usual. Thank you very much.
Starting point is 05:13:41 Thank you. You're welcome, my friend. Any time. I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekignano Show, Dr. Matthew Raphael, Johnson, Return. How are you doing, Dr. Johnson? I'm doing very well, my friend. We're living in very depressing times, but despite all that, we're doing pretty well, both of us. Yes, yes.
Starting point is 05:14:01 So I wanted to have you on because we, I think the first time we ever talked, we talked about Ukraine, and I don't believe we have done anything since then. And with the news of billions and billions more of money that could be closing the border, and doing all sorts of things going there. We need an update on what's going on over there. So what are your thoughts on all this? Well, for those of your listeners who don't know, I'm an academic specialist in Russo-Ukrainian,
Starting point is 05:14:37 both history and to a lesser extent policy by politics and theology. I have many, many books out on this topic. So back in 2004, when the first foreign, revolution happened i got this flurry of activity then 10 years later when my done occurred and then since um 2022 when i went away my first day of my honeymoon the war broke out which didn't surprise me it didn't surprise a lot of people and um keep in mind you know the the trilemma of counterinsurgency which essentially was what what's happening in in ukraine that war was over as a conventional matter by the summer of 22
Starting point is 05:15:19 they've been artificially maintained not just by Putin's conservatism here but by intelligence and mercenaries and everything else that are shipped in from the Western world who now with the Israeli situation can't even defend itself American military equipment
Starting point is 05:15:36 has performed very poorly tactics have been switched by the Ukrainian side back to the Soviet models which most of them most of the officers anyway were trained in and I have this from mercenaries personally that the American way over there
Starting point is 05:15:52 war does not work they could send all the weapons in the universe over there and it doesn't matter because being trained on these things requires a lot of translators people aren't even asking how many people know how to work this stuff not only that but how to integrate it with the rest of the strategy
Starting point is 05:16:10 which may or may not actually exist a unified command structure was destroyed last year no one knows what's going on what's going on now don't forget the war is taking place in russian areas these are russian speaking areas in the east that voted over and over again to leave ukraine which now is a fourth world backwater it would have been a fourth world backwater regardless of whether there was a war or not this is something up and following since you know i started in the early 90s um but the trilemma of counterinsurgency is that you there's three ingredients you want to
Starting point is 05:16:45 maximize the damage done to your opponent and you want to minimize both your own military casualties and civilian casualties. The problem is you can never have all three at once. So Putin decided to eliminate the first one. He wanted to minimize his own casualties and certainly civilian casualties, since they were all Russians to begin with. And unfortunately, it meant that he had to sacrifice maximal damage to his opponent. That more recently. has changed. Ukraine has been depopulated. No one knows Ukraine like the Russians do.
Starting point is 05:17:21 Most of the capital there is Russian anyway. And it's been painful as a specialist in these areas to listen to these media morons start talking about these places and things that they just discovered yesterday as these authoritative figures. So, but so other than that, the aid to Ukraine bill and the entire funding issue was front page news for a while and this program at least in part as you mentioned should be on the aid thing a country that doesn't have money that for the first time has the majority of its budget going to interest payments on the debt and is being invaded by a hostile guerrilla army from the south and the north too strangely you know
Starting point is 05:18:13 and is cutting back on everything from health care on down but sending hundreds of billions to a war that can't be won, the purpose of which solely was to weaken Russia because Russia, as I said in the 90s, was the only self-s a nation who is completely self-sufficient and has the population, military tradition, and the economy to stand on its own against what we used to call the New World Order. Of course, now it's the Great Reset with their Chinese and Central Asian ally. I also want you to keep in mind that this was never the case. And if you don't mind me talking about this, I'm writing something here on a similar issue during the so-called Cold War, the aid to the Contras. What suffering, Ronald Reagan had to go through, would he get even a few dollars?
Starting point is 05:19:12 to go to these people despite the fact it was right in the backyard what's the difference between the hatred the regime's hatred of the contras
Starting point is 05:19:22 in the 1980s in Nicaragua or the El Salvador government back then and Ukraine today and the only real difference is ideology I mean Reagan made this
Starting point is 05:19:33 a central plank of his program the enemy was the USSR the regime and the Western world was heavily invested in the USSR they vehemently opposed any war against
Starting point is 05:19:42 everything from Vietnam on down the media openly backed the kind of semi-soviet or Cuban Sandinista government and had zero opposition in the process for a handful of
Starting point is 05:19:55 conservatives so so Reagan had to do this secretly there's only one difference between those two wars and the one in Nicaragua was anti-leftist and the one in Ukraine is anti-Russian
Starting point is 05:20:08 in this case Russia is seen as a more or less right wing power it's a bit more complicated than that but I think you know what I'm talking about he did get a few million dollars through
Starting point is 05:20:23 the Congress and remember this is before the web before everything else it was really hard to contradict these people I have a book on Latin America the military dictators there which aren't really too relevant here but all this make believe information about how evil the conscious were
Starting point is 05:20:40 nothing of course by the corruption of Ukraine and of course they passed the infamous Boland amendment prohibiting certain U.S. agencies from giving aid to the Contras Reagan of course was right San Annaisa government was a satellite of Cuba and hence of the USSR instigating revolution all over Central America in particular
Starting point is 05:21:03 and the regime then created the Iran Contra scandal complete with no reference to the this was an entirely Israeli operation relative to the Iran-Iraq war. So you have to ask yourself the crap that Reagan took for trying to support the contras against Cuban revolutionaries in the early 80s and the fact that there really is no opposition to the support of the fourth world Ukrainian state, which is a colony of the U.S., against Russia. They are night and day. And I'm saying, that's the reason for it it's ideology ideology has always been the dominant issue uh with the regime
Starting point is 05:21:46 because ideology i mean the regime is a leftist force more or less um an oligarchy versus some kind of a soviet top down thing course this is also a top down thing i have another paper on the similarities at the fundamental level between marxism not socialism but marxism and postmodern capitalism. It's based on the same set of assumptions. So that's the first thing back in 22, the first thing, or even years earlier, that struck me. And even I have something out on Joe Biden back in, I think it was either 72 or 74, went over to the USSR with Richard Lugar of Indiana and the respect that he showed Soviet leaders versus what he, what he, how he talks about Putin today.
Starting point is 05:22:38 In other words, the U.S. was far more sympathetic to the USSR than has been, if the Cold War was a real thing, that would have been going on then. The only time he had some traction was when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, but that was late in their career. The difference between the Contra issue and the Ukraine issue, the difference has to be explained. I'm the only one who's explaining it, and the difference is in ideology. One was an anti-rightist thing, the other is an anti-leftist thing.
Starting point is 05:23:09 When you really start nailing down, I was thinking about when you were talking about how they supported the USSR, it was the joke they came out a bunch of years ago about how the left really hated Russia now because they gave up on communism. Let's take it in this direction. Okay, so the USSR falls, you know, choices. were made. You know, Pap Buchanan was like, hey, we just got to concentrate on being, uh, being that shining city on a hill now, but no, uh, the neoconservatives wanted to go in a, you know, wanted to keep it going. We need to find a new enemy to slay. And, uh, obviously the first one was Iraq. But, um, this is, and you know, we've talked about this before. You've talked about it on the show is this is a, a Jewish operation. And the ideology, the ideology there.
Starting point is 05:24:04 is that if it's going to be anti-right wing, it's usually going to come from them, from World War II, the authoritarian personality by the Frankfurt School, all of these things that just destroy the right, anything that's the right needs to be destroyed. Well, Hitler's defeat was the approximate cause of all this, where nationalism and its various guises, not fascism as such, but nationalism and its various guises, now was. considered irrelevant the world was divided between Truman and and Stalin and that's simply how the planet was was governed USSR was internationalist it was materialist it was obviously secular it put its faith in production and science it used a politicized psychiatry it it was at war with with nationalism the there regime cross borders back then. It was essentially one in the same empire. Now, of course, at the fringes, when the Soviet empire got way too big, especially over the Chinese issue,
Starting point is 05:25:13 you did have some warfare, but it was highly limited and nothing like we're looking at today. But today's Russian Federation, under Vladimir Putin, starting in 2001, started preaching something very different. That was a nationalist. And in many cases, a royalist, so-called Eurasianist world order, something that undercut the very foundational ontology of Western capitalism. Capitalism, Marxism, had the same foundation. They were, you know, essentially brother and sister. Any empire that grew as large as a communist one was going to be opposed. I don't care what ideology it had.
Starting point is 05:25:54 The ideology wasn't the problem there. It was the fact that they may get into a position where they can cut out the U.S. from trade deals. But that's exactly what the Russian Federation today is preaching. And this is why there's this huge difference in the treatment of, say, the contras that they're in the 80s and Ukraine today. The fact that the Americans are willing to go so far as to totally undercut their own ability to defend themselves and even get the U.S. involved in a major war, not just in Middle East, but East Africa and Central. Central Asia over Israel and all of Eastern Europe as far as Ukraine is concerned taking on a country that's much better off economically and culturally than the U.S. is in the Russian Federation going that far, wanting to go that far to undercut their own, to spend money they don't have, to continue to demand that the Ukrainians, you know, the democracy fight to the last. Ukrainian that they're depopulating
Starting point is 05:27:06 that entire country which is a tragedy and you want to bring in the Jewish element Jews hated Ukraine as much as they hated Russia and for very similar they hated the Cossacks of Ukraine
Starting point is 05:27:18 they hated the monarchy of Russia they win either way here Russian casualties have been very low that's a matter of deliberate choice but the descendants of the Cossacks get depopulated anti-Jewish ideas are mainstream, both in Russia and in Ukraine, especially in Ukraine, especially in Ukraine. Making that is more obnoxious. You have a Jewish president installed.
Starting point is 05:27:44 No one ever heard of him before. He gets installed in power and starts shutting down any. I mean, he's an internationalist. These aren't neo-Nazis or fascists. They wouldn't be supporting this. If they were really that, they wouldn't be supporting this regime. And they are serving its interests. you know we're going to fight the the russians to become a part of the european union i mean no real nationalist group is going to talk like that but that's exactly what we're supposed to believe is it's going on here and it irritates me when they call them neo-nazies or something like that now if they were neo-nazi they wouldn't be doing what they were doing it's a jewish regime shutting down the churches that have any connection with russia which
Starting point is 05:28:22 is all of them except for um you know the the nationally based uh so-called or but even the thought a cephalists were consecrated by Russians in many in many respects and that that that line doesn't really exist in Ukraine for the most part anyway so he shuts down all of the opposition politicians closes the doors of all the parties all the think tanks that opposed them shut down thousands of churches and monasteries says out loud that he's going to create a new Israel in Ukraine we're going to borrow that kind of garrison mentality that they have in Tel Aviv, and we're going to do the same here. The state now controls everything, this forcible conscription now of women and old people.
Starting point is 05:29:13 Sometimes you're doing it violently, just dragging anybody, training them very poorly, and getting them killed, which is why the desertion issue is so huge. And calling all of that democracy. and of course the very simple answer is yes it is that is perfectly consistent with how the the regime defines democracy and that is liberalism it's just an armed liberalism it's liberalism and power that's exactly what the soviets are trying to do it's exactly what the u.s is doing now in a different way but but using the same kind of institutions all this top-down stuff and in the meantime and the media totally controlled. Pro-Russian sources are totally banned in Europe.
Starting point is 05:30:00 I think you know. You can't get RT in Europe now, including in sympathetic states like Bulgaria. The U.S. is, you ever wonder where the anti-war movement went? Remember the anti-nuke movements in the 80s? Where are they? The U.S. is now bringing nuclear weapons and has been into Romania, another place, Poland, without a peep of protest.
Starting point is 05:30:21 But if this happened 45 years ago, You would have had all these leftists blocking traffic. All of this stuff has to be explained. I can't do everything by myself, but apparently, you know, I have to do it. That these two things are so radically different, or so, you know, they're radically different in terms of American policy and why that is the case. And to support this man who has a popularity rating of zero, if you could have a negative number, He would have. No one trusts him. No one likes him. He doesn't know anything about politics. He went in as a comedian and just does what he's told. Ukraine is governed through the American embassy. Things have to be, everything that Ukraine does is rubber, you know, stamped approved by the U.S., whether military or civilian. There's no independent Ukrainian policy because there's no independent Ukraine. There are economic strength within the East, which is now completely. gone. And all of this, terror attacks against civilians in Crimea and in the East, all of it perfectly
Starting point is 05:31:32 consistent with liberalism. It is the esoteria. This is liberalism totally exposed to the world. They said the same thing about Israel, the world's greatest democracy in the Middle East, forgetting Lebanon and Turkey, of course, the only democracy down there that would say. But this, and he says, I'm going to build Israel here. I'm going to build a garrison state where there are soldiers in every shopping mall and every supermarket it's going to be a totally militarized state he has completely separated from reality
Starting point is 05:32:01 I think he believes his own press but he went into this extremely ignorant he was the perfect front man he's like he's like Joe Biden who no one elected who doesn't know where he is most of the time it was like Yeltsin in Russia in the 90s you could tell him anything
Starting point is 05:32:15 the perfect front leadership and of course that means domestically tons of money being spent there despite the fact that no one wants it spent there and they want control of the border which is never going to happen the American economy at the elite levels is heavily dependent on that cheap non-union labor coming in so that's that's just and that hasn't changed for a long time now this war is just to get one more step but the fact that the US is willing to go this far is something that the Russians can't understand they're saying sacrificing their own security for the sake of supporting this clearly lost war. And the only thing that they're getting out of it is a total depopulation of a one of the most educated and high tech countries in in Europe up until the 1990, not to mention the most fertile.
Starting point is 05:33:14 And it's the outrage and the ignorance of people who don't know the first thing about this stuff. Bill Crystal's new organization. This is just Russia's coming for us. I don't know how many times why would Russia be coming for us unless of course the U.S. are making it so. People with no knowledge of international affairs
Starting point is 05:33:34 let alone knowledge of Eastern Europe are making policy. And I guess I'm not sure of this, but I guess they believe that Russia's getting ready to invade with the Chinese. That's really the Republican line now. They're going to come for us unless we stop them here. Well, we're not
Starting point is 05:33:50 stopping them anywhere. He's Ukrainian 15-year-old. But they're not. There's massive desertion at the front there. They know that this war is over. Russians are traveling outside of their turrets. They don't have to worry about a sniper fire. There's no supplies.
Starting point is 05:34:06 There's no ammunition. There's no train crews anymore. And just sending weapons is just a symbolic move. It's like sanctions. You could send Patriot missile batteries to Ghana if you want. that doesn't mean that they're going to integrate it with their own military and have train crews ready and willing to use it it doesn't work that way it represents a certain culture there is no ability to integrate any of that stuff and it gets destroyed the minute it gets off the boat anyway they don't have the pilots they haven't trained pilots to fly these advanced military American pieces of hardware we can imagine rookie pilots here they'd be they'd be slaughtered and that's exactly the point anything to create a war with the Russian Federation as the only thing standing in the way of the Great Reset. If it wasn't all of the loss of life, it would be comical when they make statements like, oh, Ukraine, you know, Ukraine's going to win this because, you know, Russia is a paper tiger.
Starting point is 05:35:18 but then in the same breath, they'll be like Russia's going to invade Europe and take over Europe. And they make no sense whatsoever. That's why they have to bring the China thing into this. And what is China's going to invade Europe? What are these people even talking about? I don't think that they're just relying upon the ignorance of the people anymore to believe this stuff. I think that they have some brainwashed people out there who are going to repeat whatever line they say. And then I think they just don't care anymore.
Starting point is 05:35:50 They just don't care. I said in a little substack yesterday, but, you know, when I was growing up, there was this term that was applied to, quote, neo-Nazis and white supremacists and these patriot groups. And now with everything that we've seen, where you can get the Speaker of the House of the representatives of the United States to go to some college on the Upper West Side of New York City, of Manhattan, and repeat lies, repeat Hasbara that's been debunked, you know, three, four months ago that we live in that term that was demonized back then. We are a Zionist-occupied government, and there is to argue against that is just foolishness at this point. I'm not even going to take you seriously because you're not in the game. Well, you know what projection is as a psychological term. It's a neurotic defense mechanism. Of course, you're unaware of doing it where you can't handle and you can't even deal with the evil that you find in yourself.
Starting point is 05:37:00 So you project it, transfer it onto others. And it's no accident that every single thing that the West says about Russia and China or both is 10 times more applicable to the United States. This goes for every conflict. And it's so perfect, there's such a one-to-one correlation that it can't be an accident. So I've come to, especially my favorite, every few weeks there was one of the financial papers would say the Russian or the Chinese economy. to collapse any day. They've been saying that for 15 years. No one gets in trouble for this.
Starting point is 05:37:42 No one's fired. All their predictions are wrong about this kind of thing. And it's because their own economies are on the verge of collapsing. And somehow this notion that the world depends on the United States and that sanctions not only aren't hurting Russia, but helping them, is not something the American can comprehend. But the evils of the regime are being removed from itself and projected onto an other, you know, in quotes, whether it be the Chinese or the Russians, which very few people know about, so then you could construct them in any way you want. And that's how projection is working here, because you're dealing with public ignorance. they can absolve themselves of their own sins by claiming that other countries, especially their enemies, are doing the same thing. And it's such a bizarre thing to watch.
Starting point is 05:38:40 There has to be a psychological analysis of it. You know, there's no legitimacy to these governments. Well, you could say that about the West. They've lost contact with their people. Well, if anything is true about the West, it's that. on and on and on and that can't be an accident this is a way that
Starting point is 05:38:59 I mean plenty of people in the regime are sociopathic they don't have a problem they don't have to project because they don't care they have no connection either with good or evil it's all the same to them but for semi-normal people in that position projection allows them to deal with the fact that their policies are causing
Starting point is 05:39:18 the deaths from Iraq to now of tens of millions of people in the name of democracy That has to be papered over in their brain in one way or another, and projection allows them to do it. It's a very common thing, and it can be collective as well as personal. And that kind of answers your question about what else other than public ignorance is being used here. And to the point where every new article says something about Russia or China that I just finished arguing about the U.S. there's no freedom of speech there they would say as Ukraine shuts down all opposition
Starting point is 05:39:59 no matter what they are you know etc etc and that's one of the ways that the regime can continue to function mentally speaking and there's not enough work done in that in that regard but it is too close a correlation for it to be anything else it is a collective psychosis As far as on the ground goes in Ukraine, where does this go? Yeah, you mentioned that they don't even have snipers, that Russians can come out of their tanks and walk around. I mean, what is it at this point? What's Russia's goal at this point?
Starting point is 05:40:39 I guess that's probably a better question. Where do you think Russia's goal? What's Putin's goal at this point? Russia's goal hasn't changed at all in a decade. decade and a half, there was never any attempt to overthrow the Ukrainian government, which is not really Ukrainian and is certainly not independent. To get Russian-speaking areas out of that hellhole, you have no functional economy, you have a worthless currency, the entire budget, all government offices are paid by American
Starting point is 05:41:12 aid. It's like a real big Albanian. you know um that's uh that's that's a main situation now salaries are being paid by the by the american taxpayer um the goal is to protect russian speaking areas from this backwater with you know 90% unemployment whatever it is um to make sure that kievs matter what happens does not join nato and maintains a neutral point of view in terms of of foreign policy and of course the previously very brisk and profitable trading in many things i mean russian economy domestically maybe 10% of it uh is based on oil and gas that's far less than
Starting point is 05:42:00 norway or even canada um but but that's really been the goal from the beginning of course the media said that he wants to conquer ukraine and every other place these are russian speakers for the most part, in the eastern half, the country, who even if they weren't particularly pro-Russian before, the economy that Kiev oversaw up until the start of this war made it impossible for them to function. And to maintain the rather constructive Russian presence in the east of Ukraine and in Crimea, at the same time, American Ukrainian terrorist cells are blowing up dams, are destroying sources of clean water. In other words, they're trying to slaughter them. If they were able to
Starting point is 05:42:47 take Crimea back, which of course is impossible, what would they do? No one wants them there. There's a huge language barrier. If they're already engaging in terrorist acts against a civilian population in eastern Ukraine and Crimea, what would they do if they actually occupied place where these places are voting 97% to join the Russian Federation? Even if there was no war, they would have very similar margins of victory because Ukraine doesn't have a functional economy. It did at one point. And as you know, Black Rock, who is one of the great pillars of the world rule, assuming some kind of a Kievan victory, which of course they can't assume anymore, has all the contracts ready to go for rebuilding Ukraine for their profit. Ukrainians will have zero to do with any of this.
Starting point is 05:43:38 um and this is why you have thousands of guys risking death um to cross the river into into romania and many other places you know this is just um um the the tease a river i should say in particular uh mukchevo border um places like this this is why these young guys are going to pay ten thousand dollars which is something where the average wage is like 250 a month to get the heck out of the country. Being dragged off the street, you're 60 years old and you're dragged off the street and handed a rifle. That's
Starting point is 05:44:16 precisely what's going on. You send all the tanks you want, but if you don't have trained and experienced crews and a rational command structure, you don't have anything. So what? They're destroyed the minute they come down. So that's Russia's goals, and that's
Starting point is 05:44:32 the situation on the ground. Supplies, ammunition is down to almost nothing. Fuel has been a problem for a long time. Of course, Russia has total air power, air supremacy. And the Russians have been very careful. You know, some of the Ukrainian army tended to concentrate themselves in eastern cities, which, of course, Russians could not dislodge them from without killing a lot of civilians. And that's not an accident. But even that, you know, these guys don't want to be where they are. Elite units are long gone. The volunteers are long gone. You have some stragglers.
Starting point is 05:45:06 What Russia is doing now is essentially a mob. up operation and the U.S. just scuttled another peace deal, which would have given into two Russian demands, which are very reasonable ones. And the U.S. said, no, you will never surrender. So every death of this is on blood on the hands of the American politician, the banking and the elite arms dealers from Boeing on down. The only part of the American economy except porn that's growing. I haven't talked to you since this happened, so
Starting point is 05:45:44 let me get your take on this because I mean, this was, I mean, just the insanity of it. The shooting in Moscow, the mass, the mass slaughter. What was your take on it? What do you know about it?
Starting point is 05:46:00 What can you tell us? Because it's already out of the news. They made sure that it's out of the news. That was a Ukrainian hit team using a group of people. It's been a little while since I even considered them from Tajikistan, I think. Well, it was Central Asia somewhere. Yes, it was Tajik's probably trained in Afghanistan. And the use of ISIS, you know, I have several lengthy papers proving without doubt what ISIS is. It's an arm of the U.S. and Israeli military. And the proof of that is that they
Starting point is 05:46:32 only attack targets that are enemies of Israel or the U.S., Russia included. There's no Palestinian group that believes that ISIS is a real organization, or, you know, they're a real organization, but that they're anything other than a Mossad and CIA front. Have they assisted the, here's an army that fought the Syrian, the advanced Syrian Arab army to a standstill 10 years ago. Are they doing anything against the Israelis? No. they had a fleet of oil tankers overnight you know so for them to say this is this is
Starting point is 05:47:07 ISIS well after I suppose if there's one target that I just would want to hit it would be the Russians since they were the only ones who destroyed them and pushed them out of Syria years ago with the Russian intervention there the Russians were invited the Americans are illegal occupiers um the American have no right to be in Ukraine either since they were involved in overthrowing the previous government who the well highly imperfect was actually seeing some positive economic indicators for the first time in a long time. So it's an act of terror because this is all Ukraine and the U.S. have now. And of course when this happens, governments say, oh, the Russians are terrorist
Starting point is 05:47:50 organization. You know, the Revolutionary Guard course should be called the terrorist organization. Well, of course, the Americans and the Israelis have been murdering their nuclear sciences for a decade. Again, whatever they accuse Russia of their doing or Syria, whatever, whatever they accuse them of their doing themselves, the attacks on Crimea, the bridge, power, water, going to Crimea, parts of flooding parts of eastern Ukraine, this isn't exactly designed to win back hearts and minds. they have no chance of that ever happening it would be a massive genocide if they were ever able to take over which was the point of the 2022 invasion in the first place had the russians waited a few more days the ukrainian army would have invaded nova russia dombas
Starting point is 05:48:43 and absorbed that capital at the you know black rock's behest the americans being asked back into ukraine and hence the western um the western orbit but beyond that the russian economy is doing so well about 300 billion that um and it's very unclear who owns at 300 billion that the the western world stole and wants to use for uh the ukraine war um i talk about that at some length elsewhere um that's a rounding error as far as the russian economy goes i'm not sure are these these they never make it clear are these state funds are their oligarchs who you know um it doesn't seem to bother the russians very much at all
Starting point is 05:49:28 that's actually kind of hard to do i think it's more symbolic than anything else but now as far as the third world is concerned which is growing by leaps and bounds thanks to bricks no one's going to trust any of their money in an american backed or or nato-eu-baked account because the minute you irritate them they could take all your cancer to the russian and that just did that you know that so that dissuades them from that as the Russians are actively, with the Chinese, recreating the world order based on regional nationalism, ethnic nationalism, civilizational forms rather than one abstract global economy. Internationalism in the best sense of the word, meaning interlocking nations that are presumed to exist and are good things versus globalism, which is just abstract cosmopolitanism, which is acultural and essentially zombollah. of, of everyone.
Starting point is 05:50:25 It's no accident that the Israelis always like to beam pornography into both the Gaza's trip in the West Bank. They've been doing that for a very long time. Now, why would they be doing that? It's not to liberate these people from the shackles of their, you know, Islamic religion. It's to render them, lackadaisical, to keep them addicted to anti-Islamic things that, of course, they have to pay for in order to keep them from.
Starting point is 05:50:52 fighting to keep them from building a separate identity that's why the israelis are always doing that it's it's it's not an uncommon thing and look at what russia's doing they're getting rid of porn hub they got rid of burger king oh my god getting rid of mcdonalds how would that culture ever going to ever going to survive their health just went through the roof by comparison to americans no one needs any of these things but as the russian economy continues to do very well building new trading blocks, the U.S. is looking worse and worse. Every foreign policy gambit of theirs has been a failure. I think the last success was what, Grenada? No, Panama. That was about the last success. Everything else has been a miserable failure from Iraq to God knows Afghanistan, Somalia, the Israeli
Starting point is 05:51:44 morass right now, and now, of course, the extreme unpopularity of liberalism and liberal economies in the Western world, especially in the, in the Central European world. So, and these sanctions are now going to be aimed at third countries. In other words, if you assist a country in evading sanctions, you yourself will be sanctioned. Now, you don't hear that many court cases about people who've been arrested for breaking sanctions. It's very curious. I've never seen, you know, IBM or Chevrolet getting dragged before a judge because they did something you weren't supposed to. no the u.s still buys things from russia um britain says it won't it won't import russian oil
Starting point is 05:52:29 and gas we're just going to get it from the french but where do the french get it you know it's it's hilarious you know how we're in some of these people are um so that's kind of a a very very rough thumbnail sketch of what's going on um the shooting specifically yeah it's just one more terrorist attack out of many and many more to come because that's all the West has left. Well, you mentioned them just not caring about hearts and minds and public opinion anymore. So, um, can you, what's your opinion on, I mean, Israel's bombing Syria, Israel's bombing Lebanon, Israel's, you know, just turn the Gaza strip into dust. What's the purpose of all this? I mean, it seemed, it just seems so like they're basically just trying to destroy everything.
Starting point is 05:53:19 They're trying to destroy themselves. They're trying to destroy their own people. They're trying to, there just seems to be a nihilism associated with this that I can't quite, some people are jumping straight to like eschatological end times things. What are they doing? Well, if these aren't the end times, then there is no such thing as the end times. Especially because it's global and scope. and for some of the things that we suffer today
Starting point is 05:53:49 you didn't even have the vocabulary for in Greek for example millennia ago so they can only describe it in very vague terms now the machinery of Armageddon is a completely different issue I spoke about that last week
Starting point is 05:54:06 on the concept of the Kabbalistic concept of Adam Cadman the broader point is that the western the US is simply losing everywhere it goes it believes it has this authority to throw its weight around anywhere you know it's like that episode of the simpsons where um the old man in the nuclear plant lost all of his all of his money in power but still walked around springfield like he mr burns still walked around springfield like he had all that money and people were
Starting point is 05:54:34 laughing at it that's how the u.s appears uh now um which is why they have to rig elections which is that why they have to use acts of terrorism um and simply use genocide as a means of foreign policy, whether it be in Ukraine or in, because that's the only thing you can consider Gaza to be. And Israel's good with that. So if Israel's going to kill babies, which they do, and toddlers, and those who survive are going to have PTSD for the rest of their lives, if you're going to attack hospitals and then, of course, accuse the Russians of doing the exact same thing, of course, almost in the same
Starting point is 05:55:13 breath, then you can't take, you know, their main. pillar in the U.S. is these Republican evangelical. It's now part of the Protestant creed that there's only one group that's saved by their race and that's these Khazar Jews and the level of ignorance
Starting point is 05:55:30 that goes into that is astounding. We don't even have a common vocabulary anymore but you can't be pro-life for example and support Israeli operations in Gaza. You can't do it because you're killing babies there. You're preventing them from being
Starting point is 05:55:46 born and God knows what kind of a level and it's mass slaughtered so either there has to be a total revaluation of values on some Nietzschean foundation or simply the Jews cashing in with you know we are the superior race and therefore the laws don't apply to us normal public opinion doesn't apply to us and a complete of course there was also the whole question of new Khazadia in Crimea but that's not going to happen now I have a few papers out on that this very old concept. Jews mostly know that they're Khazars and have no connection with the people of the Old Testament.
Starting point is 05:56:21 So I want to rebuild the Khazadi, which is roughly where Crimean and the Black Sea are. And the Caspia on the other side, that was pretty much the foundation of the Khazar Empire. But Russia had to lose for that to be the case. So now Israel's in serious trouble. They didn't win this war like they thought. they're grinding it out in a war of attrition you have the almost the entire world against them you have the turks threatening to intervene in any given moment you imagine that um the Iranians have been extremely restrained and intelligent their counter strike as we all as we all
Starting point is 05:57:01 know and now that U.S. is completely bereft of military equipment they're sending what they have left to um to the Israelis and their their performance even in the israeli's and their performance even in the Israeli side has been pretty poor compared to their opposition. The Houthis, the, you know, Hesbalah has defeated Israel in the past in 2000. They took South Lebanon. And worse, as far as the Western world is concerned,
Starting point is 05:57:31 any Islamic state run by moderates who wants to actually talk to Tel Aviv are going to be overthrown. So you're radicalizing people who may not have been radical before. don't forget iran is a first world economy they have a first world scientific and educational establishment the best mental health on the planet i think the lowest suicide rate in the world i think they're in the
Starting point is 05:57:57 they're in the bottom five um something like that a highly motivated group of people who now realize who's the cause for their problems sanctions to the extent that they've done anything in iran are blamed on the West, the people where it should be blamed. And it hopes that they want to weaken their opposition just enough that they can continue their strip mining of the world's assets. And I don't even think that's going to work out.
Starting point is 05:58:24 We're living in wonderful times in many ways. My audience would want me to ask this question because I don't think we've spoken since the interview with Tucker and Putin. When Putin brings up denazification, what is he talking about well we've already covered it i didn't watch it i had little interest in it nothing new was said um i have a book out on the political philosophy of laudimir putt which came out in 2012 called russian populist and really his agenda hasn't changed my big criticism though
Starting point is 05:59:00 i was the very first pro-putin guy in the nationalist right in 2001 2002 when i was at the barnes Review. Everything that came after follows on me. And of course, the publications in the Barns Review and elsewhere are proof of that. The one thing I disagree with Putin on is this notion that these neo-Nazis, this glorification of World War II and the defeat of the German army. And I get it from a Russian point of view, but not necessarily from an ideological point of view, where somehow the Soviet banners should be put in the temple of the army that they have in Petersburg right next to Orthodox ones. That's
Starting point is 05:59:39 a very common pro-Soviet ideologically pro-Soviet but non-leftist approach to history. Putin is still hung up on this World War II victory and it's the ultimate and the high point in Russian life.
Starting point is 05:59:55 And in fact, it wasn't Russian at all. It was Soviet, which was largely a foreign internationalist body, which at the time was ruled by a Georgian in an army of Jews Putin of course has bought into this
Starting point is 06:00:08 neo-Nazis-run Ukraine thing despite the fact that they don't have a single policy that an actual neo-Nazi movement would engage in against the power that in many ways can be considered somewhat social nationalist in Russia like you have in Syria and Belarus and elsewhere in a very vague sense
Starting point is 06:00:29 I mean that's what Russia is I vehement disagree with them and he uses that I think I mean he does believe it he's passed laws where if in a non-scholarly way you question um the the great patriotic war victory again non scholarly that's gone to the courts already and scholars have been perfectly of it exonerated I've actually covered that in the past non this is for non scholars um that somehow that was a pinnacle of soviet and hence Russian life. I can't agree. I can't accept it. There's millions of Russians who agree with me. Putin is a great man and he saved Russia from utter dissolution by 1999. But as far as that is concerned, he's dead wrong. And I mean, the policy can end up being the same. But he says that over and over again, that this is the neo-Nazi regime in Kiev, despite the fact that their specific agenda is to be a part of NATO. be a part of the EU and be a liberal power in all definitions of that term. So there's a little cognitive dissonance there. It's irritating, but not a huge issue for me. We've already mentioned that the people who are financing Ukraine have said that they're willing to fight Russia down to the very last Ukrainian.
Starting point is 06:01:59 when you examine everything that's happening right now and you look at everything, in your opinion, how does this end? I think, and I'm not making a hard and fast prediction here. It's going to be like how the U.S. surrendered in Afghanistan. You don't have people who really know what's going on over there. So you could say we won and we're getting out. And that's it.
Starting point is 06:02:29 The media doesn't talk about it anymore, and no one even knows what's going on. And they're going to do the same here. You have a whole Ukrainian units refusing to fight shootouts between people being forcibly drafted and all that. There's been a lot of violence in Ukraine. It's going to get to the point where, you know, Ukrainian is going to refuse to fight. This Zelensky is never going to put himself in front of elections. They'd be rigged anyway. but, you know, I don't think he's, he's dumb enough to do that.
Starting point is 06:03:04 May God, the Americans had an election right in the middle of the civil war. The Syrians did it during their war. It's not, you know, the problem is he has no, he has no support in the nationalist population, let alone anyone else. So I think it ends with, with the U.S. pulling out and just dropping it, declaring victory, so long as there's no follow-up questions. the media move on to something else. That's certainly depressing and demoralizing just all the loss of life. What are you figuring, Ukrainian, 600,000 at this point?
Starting point is 06:03:42 Oh, yeah. Did you read my paper on that? I think I published 600. Are you talking about military deaths? Military, I think. Last one I saw that was like 500,000, but another 100,000 in civilians maybe. Oh, yeah, I had come up, there was a study that was some months ago on obituaries appearing in Ukrainian newspapers. That was a guy who put it at 600,000 military casualties, not just deaths, casualties in general.
Starting point is 06:04:18 Deaths, you know, all countries lie about their casualties, the U.S. does it all the time. There is no Ukrainian official number. they would never release that it would be ridiculous anyway um whatever your view is is going to be much higher than that there's very now you civilians it's really hard to tell um it's not as compact as gaza is you know there you can keep track but this is a much bigger place um and this you know so yeah i said 600 000 like three months ago uh the intensity of the war has has gone down and there's simply no resources or manpower to engage in any kind of offensive and the Russians are not going to fall for the let's talk peace while retooling and regrouping
Starting point is 06:05:10 which has happened twice in the in the past it happened at the Istanbul conference a few months into the war and of course it happened at the Minsk too concerning east Ukraine they're not going to fall for it a third time. I think Russia will get its goals and at a minimum there'll be a cold peace between the two sides, the rump Ukrainian state with the, I don't know, the eastern quarter already a part of Russia, they're Russian speaking anyway, and actually being a part of a functional economy for once. China's already heavily involved in rebuilding Crimea.
Starting point is 06:05:53 You know, the Ukrainian administration kept the infrastructure in a shockingly bad state of disrepair. So they have to rebuild a lot of this stuff from zero. But there's no resources in the West, certainly nothing in Kiev that they could use to fight. Whether they go to a purely ISIS-style terrorist group that they'll invent again, whole cloth, that, you know, that's a separate issue. But this loss of life, now, I don't know, maybe 700,000 total casualties for absolutely nothing. I've also heard reports of tens of thousands of fighting men who could be buried in unmarked graves while their commanding officers continue to collect their paychecks. Have you heard anything about that? I have heard about that.
Starting point is 06:06:48 I don't remember where. I've been on a couple of Russian language blogs from former military officers who've spoken of this. There's been many reports from 2014 on of Ukrainian officers fleeing the scene, leaving their men stranded. It's a source of a lot of desertion. And Putin has made it very easy for these boys. Of course, it's all boys, just no girls, for these boys, young men to become Russian citizens. And there's been a big explosion there, let alone those that have fled the border, paid the money and simply left. The rich are certainly long gone from there.
Starting point is 06:07:32 The western part of the country is not entirely industrialized. It's an agrarian population. It still may be viable. The eastern part, of course, is very pro-Russian and highly industrialized and urbanized. But it could never function as a part of the Ukrainian economy. Now, for the first time, it can function. What Ukraine is going to do to replenish its numbers, that's, again, a separate issue. And the whole thing is extremely depressing.
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Starting point is 06:09:48 want to welcome everyone back to the Pete Cagnonez show. It's been a while. I've been looking forward to this. Dr. Matthew Raphael Johnson. How are you doing, my friend? Hey, Peter. It's a pleasure to be on. It always is.
Starting point is 06:10:02 You have a great audience. I hear from them once in a while. And our topic today is definitely going to interest them. All right. Let's get into it. Yeah, this is, it's not rare that somebody in the audience asks for a subject. and I do it, but it's not every day that I do it, but this was definitely the topic of the Cossacks and the Jewish question and Poland was brought up and your name was mentioned
Starting point is 06:10:33 as the only person they wanted to hear from. So I will follow you along with this and you can start wherever you want and I'll interrupt whenever I, you know, whenever I have a question or need clarification on something. Does that sound good? No problem. Let me get started here. The first thing we ought to do is to find what the Kossak is.
Starting point is 06:10:56 It comes from the Turkic word Kazakh, which means freebooter. Something like the bikers of the era, although very religious. They were a free communal body of full-time warriors. They were semi-nomadic, well, they had their own camp. You had to be Orthodox to be a member.
Starting point is 06:11:24 Generally speaking, it was Slavs from Russia, Ukraine, Belarus. Its formation had a lot of sources, people running from serfdom, people who didn't have families, people who were in trouble somewhere. And so long as yet they could maintain the rigors of the Cossack life, they were considered a member. Southern Russia has this very long step, this prairie, very difficult to control, especially without air power. And this is where the Cossacks came into their own. They essentially were an Orthodox force against Poland or Turkey. They eventually come under the Polish Empire.
Starting point is 06:12:09 And generally speaking, worked for the Russians, although certainly not all of them. after a certain time, they were the biggest headache that the Polish Empire ever had to deal with. The Polish Empire is interesting because it was an oligarchy. It was an oligarchy in the true sense. The emperor, the king, had very little power, although there were some very rare exception. The only thing that these nobles cared about
Starting point is 06:12:42 was the maintenance of their lands and the maintenance of their power and they'll throw a war if they had to to keep the crown from getting any credit for um and they didn't have a standing army but they had something called confederations where groups of landowners would get together for a common purpose and bring together a regular force uh and they would do this on a regular basis whether it be well especially against the the other thing that makes Poland interesting is the Jewish issue. It used to be that Poland, the Polish Empire was called the Paradise of the Jews. In fact, you had some extreme, quite a number of Orthodox rabbis claiming that the Messiah is going to come because of the privileges that the Polish elite gave them.
Starting point is 06:13:37 The Polish elite were landed, they were often illiterate, they didn't have, again, they didn't want a strong monarch. So rather than allow any centralization of finance, they imported 13th, 14th century Jews to handle the commerce of the cities. The situation was always tense because of them. You had a whole army of intermediaries between the landowners on one hand and their subjects on the other. And the Jews were granted rights over taverns, trade duties, mills, fishing rights, bridge tolls, dams, and unfortunately even Orthodox churches. And because the Polish forces would protect them, they had no. obligation, no desire, to even understand the language of their servants. And they behaved, as you might expect. And this, by the way, even the mainstream academic literature is forced
Starting point is 06:14:49 to concede this. But their arrogance was so intense that it's a miracle that the rebellions, which did explode several times, most famous of which is Kimunitsky in 1648, didn't happen sooner. They were very inventive in their exploitation. One of the big areas, I said taverns, meaning the distilling of alcohol which they had a monopoly. And
Starting point is 06:15:14 they could call upon Polish local landlords militia to protect them if necessary because these people were to for lack of the better laundering the cash of
Starting point is 06:15:31 the money of the Polish nobility. the only reason they were able to function there is because of this very same nobility so the anti-colonialist fight of the cossacks who of course were orthodox very free anti-surfdom and poland who was roman catholic and had the harshest kind of serfdom at the time so the anti-colonial movement took aim at the jews as well and The popular, for lack of a better term, again, the popular press, the Dumi, or the series of poetic cycles about Jewish oppression was popular. This was the voice of the common person. And the great Ukrainian historian, Gutyshevsky, went through them in some detail, which I've read. There was nothing that any peasant, you know, I mean they were the townsmen, but that any peasant could have that wasn't. and subject to confiscation. Even travelers were sometimes stripped of their goods.
Starting point is 06:16:42 Anything that, you know, that they would use alcohol to trick people into doing things. And this continued, even after Poland seeks to exist, even at the expense of, you know, the average man or the Cossacks' wife and children, I think the Jews very much feared them. Don't forget, one of the original purposes of the Cossack host was to free Christian slaves from the island of Kaffa in Black Sea, which is a Jewish island and is where the main slave mark was. So their contempt for the Jews at the time knew no bounds. And that goes back to their very, they're very founded. and often you know there were a lot of Jews there I think at one point 80% of the world's Jewish population was living in the Polish Empire straight up until the early 20th century so who could be talking about Zionism in a place like this but probably the most obnoxious thing I mean they were the agents of monetization and as the explosion in which Western demand for grain grew, 16th, 17th century,
Starting point is 06:18:03 Polish landlords needed to intensify serfdom. And the only hope they had were the cost of coasts. But probably the most obnoxious thing is their control over physical churches. We have plenty of firsthand accounts of this. Their entire villages were seen as assets that the Jews can use, including the local church. The great Ukrainian historian custom
Starting point is 06:18:31 mottiv talks about this also at some at some length. Now I have a book out called Ukrainian nationalism. My editor had that was Russia insider helped me put that together and I go into this in some detail but it's even mainstream writers have to admit that the rebellions against these Jews were earned.
Starting point is 06:19:01 But the rebellions that continue to occur from the 16th century right up until the 18th, you have letters being written all over the place talking about how important it is to realize that the Jews run things. Financially speaking, there's a merchant from Moscow in 1648 who was there at the time of the Rebellion says the Jews robbed and abused the Ukrainians as soon as they distilled vodka, brew beer without telling a Jew
Starting point is 06:19:30 did not take off his hat in front of one. The Jews assaulted him, robbed and ruined him, taking his property forcibly and his wives and children to work for him. Many Poles, especially in the church, were well aware
Starting point is 06:19:47 of this, this unbearable oppression, as they would say. And there was a Catholic canon, Yusufovic, in Levov, in Western Ukraine, at the time part of the Polish Empire, who says that there was no sacraments available to these very Orthodox people unless they paid a toll to the Jews. And in his writings, Yusufovic said, you have suffered your troubles as you deserve, talking both about the Poles and the Jews. so we talked about not just a financial political degradation but a moral one too constantly having to endure injustice 24 hours a day and what did they expect to happen
Starting point is 06:20:33 did they overestimate because you know ultimately by 1648 by the time the kimonitsky kosak rebellion exploded it was mainstream opinion that we don't have to rain or the jews are saying We don't have to rein in our arrogance because the Messiah is on its way and he's coming to Poland. Because in no other way could we be permitted this level of aristocracy. Jews even had serfs in the name of the Polish landowner. So not only was they paying a vig every week, but they had to work in the Jews' house and his field, which he owned the name of Poland. and there were taxes on whatever it was that he was being paid.
Starting point is 06:21:20 So it's clear that this was absolutely unbearable, an unbearable situation, that the Orthodox people and the only force they had against them was the cost of. They were invited in, and that is the common refrain that you get when you're talking about Jewish history, is, well, because Christians were against Eusoryan Christians saw, looked down upon money-changing things like that, they invited the Jews in.
Starting point is 06:21:56 So they basically invited this upon themselves, and, you know, they had no right to fight back. Precisely right. And it freed up the landlord to do whatever he wanted. That's why they were always in debt. But the Jews always had access to credit in any given moment. You know, they could undersell anybody. So they monopolized all of these fields.
Starting point is 06:22:19 The collective term for the Polish nobility, the slatsha. And they didn't like the idea that a Catholic merchant class would develop in their cities and give its loyalty to the crown, as what happened in Britain and England. The Jews were organized into autonomous cahals, you know, fairly large, legally defined. institutions and were given a totally free hand
Starting point is 06:22:47 so it was you know it was diabolical it was brilliant because it kept the elites and noble power centers
Starting point is 06:22:58 from ever being co-opted so the anger of the peasantry not to mention the Cossacks who the Polish government was always
Starting point is 06:23:08 trying to make serfs out of them which is always so stupid Cossack Rebellions is one of the reasons that Poland fell apart in the late 18th century. But any indebted land, any indebted merchant group, and once they monopolized money, you know, usury, they jacked up interest rate.
Starting point is 06:23:33 They clearly didn't have the same. This is where the Talmud became so essential to all of this. They made sure that everyone hated them. They had no incentive to do anything else. And I know Heinrich Greats, who was a German Jew who rejected the Zohar in the Talmud, talks about not just the domination of Jews, but how dependent the Polish elites were on them. And whatever defects they had, the Jews were able to counterbalance it to them. The aristocracy was seen as ditsy, unsurious, extravagant, reckless, reckless. and so the Jews were the perfect group of people to profit
Starting point is 06:24:17 and keep them in power but he was more than a financier he was his help whatever he got into trouble a prudent advisor they were the dominant cast and revolts were pretty continuous and they never learned their lesson
Starting point is 06:24:34 by 1648 the illegitimacy of this Polish lead became so vile that there is no defending it And as he Michael Jones said, one of my favorite lines of his, rather than the accession of the Messiah in Poland, given the privileged position of Jews in the Polish Empire, the Jews got Kimonitsky instead. So, and the importation of Jews was made possible by the Statute of Khalis. and that's from there it became the paradisus udorum so the paradise of the jews and you know they never even learned the language of their of their people and they also were involved in prostitution the people you know women who were impoverished they had their
Starting point is 06:25:26 own state within a state um and even the uprising the cosaxin under kim munichki which removed the Jews from public life, however, temporarily. They were, and he's a key figure. It was only temporarily, in fact, they even signed treaties saying the Jews won't be taking your debt anymore.
Starting point is 06:25:56 Because for the most part, what the Cossacks wanted, among many other things, was to be treated as the equal to any Polish noble. so um um and if you would like i could get into the rebellion of kimonetsky that year yeah let's do that um we've talked about it before but definitely we needed in context for this uh for this episode well bogdan kymnitsky was a kosa who had so many people appealed to him saying that you know he was high ranking and we need to do something about
Starting point is 06:26:32 this and this is where the idea of the Ukrainian or South Russian nation came into existence now depending on who you read what he wanted either was an independent state or to create an autonomous unit within Poland or possibly the creation of an autonomous unit as part of the Moscow state and Kimonitki really leaned towards the Russian side But as I wrote it, my book, the Russian side became just as bad as the Poles, just minus the Jews. I mean, anything was better than what the Poles offered. And they kept, you know, demanding concessions.
Starting point is 06:27:15 And rather than give it to them, they had to have huge casualties for them to do anything. So most people think, especially in Russia, that this uprising was a way to extend Russia's border. and it seems to be almost in inevitability. The Cossack hosts, you know, having maybe 10,000 of the most, and there were several centers of it. The most famous is the Perosian, this is Russian for beyond the rapids, the rapids of the Denepeer, a series of islands in some of the most inhospitable parts of that river, which is where they had their sick or fortress. they tended to be a fairly radical egalitarian nationalist movement. But within the Polish Empire itself, or at least on its frontiers, the Hetman was the chief executive, usually an older warrior. Everyone was a warrior, every man.
Starting point is 06:28:18 But they tended to not be able to defend themselves. Yes, of course, they were ferocious fighters, but against a regular force, And this often didn't happen, but they needed allies. I mean, Turkey at this point was one of the greatest, most powerful states in Europe. And Ukraine, you know, Kimmitsky realized he had to go somewhere. And the only place that made any sense was to go to Moscow. This is a time of great ferment in Western Europe. The glorious revolution in Britain, the front in France, the end of the 30 years' war.
Starting point is 06:28:56 So Kimonitsky started this war because people were absolutely exhausted. And we hear talk about the Russian or Rus' nation within the Polish Empire. But besides going to Russia later, he also went to the Crimean Khan because the Crimeans were dissatisfied with the Poles, because the Poles used to pay them off to keep them from raiding. Paul's territory and they stopped doing that. And so the Khan sent 4,000 men. He, you know, he needed their assistance, but because they were Muslims and other headmins like Doroshenko later were going to, you know, how this bite them, because
Starting point is 06:29:46 the Tartars end up just plundering things. And in fact, Kim Niske sent his son, Timofae, to the Khan as a hostage. and vice versa so so that they could be assured of good behavior and that wasn't uncommon at the time and it was also the possibility of the polls bribing them which is they have Kim Minuteski by 1640 and had 10,000 men that includes the Tartars and the polls were trying to placate him but he said no this this time is come And he succeeded for a time of expelling, or the three forces are the Polish landlord class, as I mentioned, the Jews, and then the unions, the so-called Greek Catholics that the Polish government, along with the Vatican, imposed in the Orthodox, the attempt to Catholicize it. um now what kimonitki said is once he began his uprising well right at the moment it started the polls had promised him all kinds of payments but as they were promising that negotiations took
Starting point is 06:30:58 place the polls were gathering their their army and he you know pretty much figured this out pretty soon um you know count pataki was was one of the leaders of the polish forces um who have the advanced guard of 4,000 men, usually mercenaries. And they tended to be, you know, they lost bad, but the Poles did. And did you have pro-Polish cross-action? You had pro-Moscow cross-ex. You even had a handful who supported Crimea, which was a subsidiary of Turkey, the Ottomans. but one of the things that happened in their defeat of these three forces
Starting point is 06:31:46 was that many Jews were killed at least the worst of them so of course Jews today with a few exceptions you know act like there was no reason to hate them this was just jealousy or something stupid like that the polls eventually I think of of Ukraine at the time Ukraine, meaning borderland, rather than an actual country, the left bank of the Jnieper River, the eastern part of the country, and the right bank, or the Polish part of the country. Well, the left bank was completely evacuated.
Starting point is 06:32:28 And so the coalition of the polls were using is this, you know, the elites, Jewish tenants, Catholics and unions, and it was very hard for them if they were ever. ever captured um and you have like rabbi henover who is alive at the time who talked about all these atrocities that the um co-sex um allegedly did but you know has to is forced to to recognize why and why this happened um they were what we might call pogromes but that was against that wasn't merely against the jews uh and that was in the in the left bank in fact and they simply disappeared Poles, Jews, Catholics, whatever. And many of them had to take refuge in because that's where at least in one place
Starting point is 06:33:24 where the Polish state was able to maintain itself and you know we'd have so many firsthand accounts because this was, I mean, Kimonitsky. is one of the most significant figures in Eastern European history ever. So what it comes down to is the struggle for independent South Ross, Ukraine, a Ukrainian Orthodox shirt with the Cossack host as their protectors. I mean, this is one of the defining issue of Ukrainian history. But, of course, it can't be separated from basic politics of the head of it. but the Cossack saw themselves
Starting point is 06:34:09 of having several functions to protect the Orthodox faith to rescue Orthodox slaves especially from the Jews and then later on to fight for some autonomous entity where they can be treated as Poles of their own
Starting point is 06:34:23 elite so from the 16th to the 18th century this was a non-stop thing infamously Hetman in Majepa during the reign of Peter's Gray Peter I went to the Swedes and the Hetman state as an actual government was founded after the rebellion of Kimonitsky
Starting point is 06:34:42 but the Sikh was always independent and sometimes the Poles or the Russians would try to buy off your better off cost of officers with grants of land and guarantees of political power but you know sometimes that worked and sometimes it didn't As I say, Poland was a federation of small, noble states, each with its own law, courts, and financial policy. Yeah, it was ethnically Polish, but there was no political center that could unify people. The elite, the slotja, viewed the nation as them. And certainly, peasants, the Jews, your trunks, were never a part of this nation, but they could help it or hinder it.
Starting point is 06:35:28 So I guess starting in the 1620s and 30s, the constant uprisings against Polish and Jewish rule began. And what made matters worse were the nature of the reprisals. It wasn't like they were going to think about why these rebellions occurred and keep them from happening again. No, they would attempt to go in and slaughter anyone who may be sympathetic to the revolt. And of course, they had to raise mercenaries because they would never trust an army under royal control. You know, in 1652, there was an invasion of the Polish nobility's hired army that would have destroyed the host, as not the Russians stepped in. So I will continue. In my book on Ukrainian nationalism, I say, Gimnizki is quite possibly the most important single person in Ukrainian history after St. Vladimir himself.
Starting point is 06:36:23 early on he defeated the Poles en masse he destroyed their parasitism and their usury and the independent Korsak state was able to stand at least for a while and you know we can go all the way back to the Kuznicki revolt of 1591 1592 all you know based on on complex concern But, you know, the point of bringing the Jews in was to keep the crown or to have any countervailing power in the cities that could be a mighty class. And the fact that they were successful there, I don't know how many other places tried that. And essentially was allowing the elite to have a passive income generated and maintained by these Jews who became some of the most privileged people on the planet of them. yeah the it's a common story um sombart's book on the jews and modern capitalism he goes through a lot of it where he talks about how you know in places like in in austria they would you know a leader of a city would bring would invite a couple of jews in to help him with his finances to help him make money also because of the underground network being able to um talk to um
Starting point is 06:37:53 to other leaders around Europe, and inevitably other Jews would follow in, and they would start doing business with the common folk, and they would immediately put them into debt, and, you know, after a decade or two, the common folk are like, we don't care about the, you know, the leader of this city, the mayor of this city, whatever they would be called at that time, making all this money, now we're enslaved to these people, and we want them gone, or we're going to kill them. And then, obviously, that is what would lead to one of the famous expulsions that we read about over the last, you know, 1,000 and 1,500 years. Oh, yeah, that's certainly an expulsion.
Starting point is 06:38:43 But you had a number of power centers. I'm just to Roman Catholic Church in Poland, the union's, Even the Vatican to some extent, the Cossack, at least while they were unified, and this Orthodox Church of Ukraine, which did exist, which came from the Patriarchate of Jerusalem, and maybe the Patriarch of Constance and Opel, maybe another one by Constantine Opel at the time was under the Turks and couldn't be of much assistance. There were a handful of loyal bishops at the time, but as far as the Cossacks were concerned, by, say, 1650, the confederations of these elite Catholics were the military problem, not Poland, and certainly not the Polish monarchy, who tended to be very sympathetic to the Cossacks without supporting them directly. and what eventually came out of his uprising was the Treaty of Peresla and it was a treaty binding the Cossacks binding themselves
Starting point is 06:39:56 to Moscow but in exchange for a tremendous amount of autonomy and that state that signed this treaty didn't have Catholics or Jews within it Um, today in Ukraine, the units are at the forefront of the national movement, despite it being a foreign creation, a Polish creation and a creation of, it's to some extent of the Vatican. Um, but the only thing that could make a Cossack and, and, um, what he is and crane or his state independent is to be orthodox. So by the second half of the 17th century, very few people, unless they had an agenda, believe that the CM could be trusted with anything.
Starting point is 06:40:55 Again, remember, what Poland actually was. Now, the Kynitsky uprising in 1648, there's been thousands of books and articles in Russia, Ukrainian, and Polish written about him. And the only thing the Cossacks didn't have prior to him was a talented leader. And the ideology of that uprising, which I wrote of in my book, it's an ethno-national ideal informed by the Orthodox faith, their own. Don't think that the Cossets were not religious, they very much were. And in fact, once the old believers had to escape Moscow, not two decades later, they became Cossacks. So they even became, even today, or an old believer movement, but not solely. Cossacks were never unified under one person, Cimonytki being an exception.
Starting point is 06:41:56 So what that had been created was a centralized and authoritarian system because everyone knew that the Poles or someone else like the Turks was going to try to take a place. piece of them. And the same thing goes for the, for the church. The church had to have the resources to fight the Roman Catholics in the one hand, Jews on the other. But the alliance between the Polish elite and Jewish merchants were so close that it's tough to separate them. The Polish elite needed Jewish networks. They needed their capital and they needed to develop urban trade. They didn't have to do anything, but they still got to cut. I guess the only thing they had to do was keep anyone from hurting of the Jews. But as far as Jews are concerned, the Polish nobility was just convenient.
Starting point is 06:42:44 But their insolence, their general parasitism made them, what I called in my book, an unstable golem for the network's profits. The last thing in the world that any Cossack could do is engage in any kind of serfdom. they still needed alliance, and that caused them a lot of trouble. Initially, the early rebellions had maybe 1,000 or 3,000, but as the 17th century began, that number started to grow and grow and grow and grow and grow. And that's the important thing to remember. So, now I can continue after that.
Starting point is 06:43:33 if you would like me to, or do you want me to stop? Well, no, definitely want you to continue with that, with their history. But I did have one question. You know, if you look, say you go to Wikipedia on the Cossack page, they differentiate between Russian and Ukrainian Cossacks. So can you just talk about the difference historically what they're talking about there? They're not talking about ethnic groups. They're talking about loyalties.
Starting point is 06:44:03 left bank, Ukraine, the eastern part of the country, I mean, they're all orthodox, of course, tended to be pro-Russian, although even the most fanatical pro-Russian headman had to turn on them, because they were especially repeated the grave, was extracting so much out of Ukraine. And the western side, the right bank of the Nieupper, is where the Hetman was the strongest. but you even had some some Cossacks Tataria and a few others who thought that if the treaty is right working with Poland as a way to protect themselves from the Turks
Starting point is 06:44:46 may be workable they never became a part of Poland of course but and if someone was more if a leader was more leaned too far to one side or another there would be rebellion against him so everybody this was a huge balancing act
Starting point is 06:45:05 for them but after the Kimonitsky uprising eventually fizzled down Kimminski's lieutenants and this is all in my book by the way the two big ones were Ivan Velhouski and
Starting point is 06:45:20 Paul Tataria and unfortunately that's where the class conflict in the cross-sac coast began Ivan Velhotsky leaned towards Poland as a reaction to the Russian presence in part of Ukraine after Perislav.
Starting point is 06:45:35 But when he died in 1664, the Russians actually created their own Cossack noble class complete with their own serves. You had a Russianized noble class at that point. But Cossacks
Starting point is 06:45:52 who leaned more towards Moscow, fomented rebellions against Vahowski. I know the great historian Doroshenko that he claims that Moscow was deliberately spreading myths to the effect that the Hetman's going to hand Ukraine over to the Poles. That probably was at least in part true. So loyalties split the Cossacks,
Starting point is 06:46:14 so-called Russian and Polish, as well as class. Because the classic way of buying the Cossacks off was to go to the elite and said, listen, you stay loyal to us, you could keep your way of life, and we will guarantee your lands. and even get some surfs of your own. Sometimes it worked.
Starting point is 06:46:34 Sometimes it didn't. So that's the difference there. All righty. So, yeah, you were talking about moving forward and moving forward in their history. So go anywhere you'd like to go. Well, after the revolt, 1648, there was something. called the Board of Agreement of 1649 1650 and this this this was um this essentially was their demands that uh had polish signatures but no intent of of making it real so cost like ukraine
Starting point is 06:47:17 number one was to include include the areas of kiev chernigov and bradslav in areas under The Units were dissolved and its property granted to the Orthodox Church, that the Metropolitan of the Orthodox Church in Ukraine had a guaranteed seat in the Polish Senate. Anybody involved in that rebellion had to be amnesty, which is not the Polish way of doing things, and that both Jews and Polish landlords will be prevented from ever returning. So that's what immediately came after the Kimmelniki Rebellion. What came after that is what we talk about as the ruin. Now, the thing that made Hetman-Viherski interesting was the proposal called the Haidotts Treaty, which said a lot of the same things as I just listed. So much of the Union Church was already destroyed.
Starting point is 06:48:29 Many of them became Orthodox themselves, and that would be a continuous matter all the way right up into the 20th century. But the argument was even if Poland couldn't be trusted, the Treaty of Perislav was very strict on Cossack autonomy, which the Russians had completely violated 100 times over. There was something called the trilateralist solution to Ukrainian independence. The Polish Empire was formally called the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Well, what people like the Husky wanted was Polish-Lithuanian-Russian Union, with a great degree of independence and religious freedom as far as the Russian side was concerned. And this eventually became the Treaty of Perislav. or, you know,
Starting point is 06:49:20 the Paraslav was the negation of the Hydoch Treaty. Even Kimmelitsky's son Yuri, who was pretty hapless, but well-meaning, thought that the Poles would be better, now that they've been defeated, better than the Russians would be. And he eventually became a puppet hitman of the Turks. So, and again, Amnesty was always a part of it,
Starting point is 06:49:48 because Polish reprisals were absolutely disastrous. The Hetman at this point, I don't know, 1665, something like that, was Dorochenko. The Zerdesky articles were with another treaty with the Russians promising local autonomy. If there were Russian troops in Cossack areas, they had to be under the command of the Hetman and that Ukraine had to be totally unified. and just as important that the Orthodox Church would have to come under Constance and Noble, or at least Jerusalem, and much of that was ultimately rejected. But by 1665 or so, the position of the Cossack Coast was very poor, and one of the reasons, and corruption had come in, especially under Moscow, and they would place very high taxes on them. And this is why some people ended up going to, going to Poland.
Starting point is 06:50:45 But even very pro-Russian Hettens in the east, like Bruevodzky, who personally came under the Russian monarchs, the Russian monarchs protection. And he had one demand. He had one single demand, and that was that Ukrainian common law. In other words, the traditional law, the Cossack Hose, would be respected. And because of that, loyalty was promised to the czar. and his interest. So what it comes down to is the retention of the Kossack tradition and in urban areas that they had the Magdeburg law from Germany. The cities were essentially independent and elections to urban offices, of course, had to be Orthodox. And any election for any of these
Starting point is 06:51:32 offices had to be free and done according to local tradition. Yes, Russia promised it and then violated any time they got the chance. So if one side of this got too strong, if the Turks became too strong, if the Poles became too strong, if the Russians became too strong, there was always a reaction to go elsewhere. One of the things that made Hedman-Mazepa unique is that he went to the Swedes, given the nature of the war that was already going on. The great thing about that was Sweden was too far away to really administer the Cossack host. I mean, anyone wanted to get away from Peter the Great. He reduced the Cossack Coast to absolutely nothing. So ultimately, no one trusted anybody, not even internally.
Starting point is 06:52:22 And the only real stable point was the Duporosian Sikh, always the most radical of the, of the Cossack groups. and that wasn't shut down until until Catherine the Great. So, you know, you had uprisings all over the place and the worst thing that happened, we'll talk about this here in a minute, something called the Treaty of Andrew Solon in 1667, which will negate the Cossack State entirely
Starting point is 06:52:57 and divide Ukraine between Poland and Russia, which was a tremendous betrayal since that's the one time where the Poles returned to that part that was promised to them, and the Jewish usurers returned. So Poland and Russia were now bound by treaty as equals at the expense of Ukraine and the Cossacks. And those who fell within the Polish sector were right back to where they were before. So Poland essentially took the right bank, Russia took the left bank, and that condemned those on the right. bank was an insult and condemned thousands of orthodox Russians to expropriation and exploitation. And I guess part of the point of Andrew Chauvel was to combine Polish and Russian forces against Turkey.
Starting point is 06:53:50 Why don't you keep going? I don't really have a, I don't really have a question on anything there. Okay. Yeah, I want to pause from time to time just in case you do. Absolutely. Thank you. But that, yeah, that treaty was an absolute disaster, and it created another, I would talk about here in a little bit, created another massive rebellion, probably the last one, the Hadamak Rebellion. We'll get to that here in a second. Because of Andrew Sovo and the subsequent treaties, Poland and Russia divided the area of the home. Free trade was proclaimed, but that was a code for Polish colonization. and dispossession, it meant massive interest rates and Jewish rule without any countervailing power.
Starting point is 06:54:40 Now, Russia had a tough time dealing with that because Jewish capital structure in Poland was far more experienced and far wealthier than the relative of small merchant class in Russia. So any kind of cost-tech independence was nullified. And 1672, something called the Comtap Articles, imposed a headman on Ukraine that had absolutely no independence whatsoever. And this is why Russia is unpopular in certain, certain Ukrainian circles, historically speaking. But I want to talk about someone else. One of my favorite people at the time, and that is the military leader of the Cossack,
Starting point is 06:55:20 so Ivan Circle. He is the unsung hero of this era. We're talking about 1670, something like that. he was from the Sikh the Parosia he backed rebellions against Moscow I'm thinking of
Starting point is 06:55:38 Brazil I'm thinking of Razine in particular he unified Ukraine to the defeat of both Polish and Turkish forces he was eventually arrested and sent to Siberia but once the Turks began to advance they had to call him back
Starting point is 06:55:52 in 1674 there was a mass of Turkish invasion that Serco had defeated The Russian Hedman on their side, Semelowicz, didn't do a thing. A year later, 15,000 elite janissary, not to mention regular forces, invaded Ukraine. Serco again defeated the cream of the Ottoman army. 1678, another huge Turkish invasion. Russia didn't do anything.
Starting point is 06:56:23 Semolovic wouldn't do anything, but Serco repelled them. a third time. The coalition force under Serco grew to very large numbers and a fourth time a Turkish invading force was defeated. Ivan Serco was watching the Turkish Empire at this point.
Starting point is 06:56:43 Its best fighting men were destroyed and the road seemed open for the Cossacks to take this Turkish capital of Istanbul. Rather than the Russians and Samo, it's taking this as a serious way to completely take Constantine They ended up destroying
Starting point is 06:57:00 with Cossack Sik for a ton. Circo, who saw the possibility of destroying Turkey forever, was forced to retreat. And he died a broken man. What ended up happening is that the Hetman Dorshenko and the Russians
Starting point is 06:57:16 negated everything that he did. The bizarre thing is that right after Circle's death, Russia then went on to found the Holy League as a military force against Turkey. Circo could have easily destroyed Turkey and maybe even Poland too. Russian Ukraine was an oligris. With both Cossack and Russian nobles, that 1% owned about half the land.
Starting point is 06:57:44 It wasn't the Jews, but the Cossack elites who controlled the cities in that part of Ukraine. And the claim is that the Russians, their colonial governors, corrupted the Cossack elite, they went out of their way to save Turkey by sending Circle away. So that's, and throughout all of this, Circle tried to enlist the assistance of Semmelovich on the left bank. after a while Circle did endorse the pro-Moscow but even said in a letter of 1677
Starting point is 06:58:28 that we aren't going to separate from you they do talk about Ukrainian fatherland but it's hard to tell whether they're talking about a nation or just the fact that this is the Russian borderland or the Polish borderlands for that matter
Starting point is 06:58:44 so Circle was was just the absolute perfection of the Cossack history and he was destroyed by his own allies. So this was an absolute, absolute disaster. And many of the offers by the Cossack host to Poland were completely defeated. And had this occurred, had this treaty been accepted, There would have been a Ukrainian orthodox identity outside of the Russian fold and outside of anything Polish and possibly could have brought old believers into the Ukrainian communion as a way to control Russian incursion. The Austrians would do the same thing a little bit later.
Starting point is 06:59:39 But that's not just the left bank and the right bank, too. The Vajowski alienated poor Cossacks because he was constantly negotiating with the Poles. The terrible fear was that the Jews were going to come back. So Vajoski was seen as pro-Polish. Others were seen as pro-Russia and had Mazepa seen as pro-Turkish. But once Russia had corrupted the left bank Ukraine, Poland was viewed by a lot of his allies as a lesser evil relative to Russia. But Vahavki was a lawyer, ultimately.
Starting point is 07:00:20 I mean, he created a balanced budget, laid the groundwork for institutions, created financial reserves, without Jewish assistance. And we're getting into an era that's called the ruin, where the gains and victories of both Thirko and Kim Onitsky were completely negated. All previous treaties were null and void. And the one thing that dominated everything was class rule. and the rank and file revolted on both banks of Ukraine and these men
Starting point is 07:00:50 Teteria of Vajoski these were all lieutenants of Kim Onitsky's and part of his campaigns against Poland at the ruin
Starting point is 07:01:00 it negated everything it didn't destroy the ideas and then you have the interesting case of Peter Doroshenko I mentioned already he blamed the upper classes the Cossack host on both banks, especially the left bank, for this ruin, this period of utter
Starting point is 07:01:18 powerlessness, but thought that there were resources to continue the state building as a zyotchnine had done. And Doroshenko was one of the few who was able to centralize the country to himself, both banks. Unfortunately, he had to go to the Turks to do that. Dorshenko was as anti-Polish as he was anti-Russian. The Russian state. is the one who elected Samalovich to the left bank and this was seen not just as an ethnic distinction but also as a class distinction you know if the Jews were going to be out
Starting point is 07:01:54 monetization had to come from somewhere and it's very easy to buy some of these people off I mean the Cossack ideal is a little nomadic the sick didn't know anything but the landed Cossacks in Ukraine proper not on the island Jordan Schengo had no choice but to go to Turkey. And just like in Kimoninski's case, he did go to the Crimeans, the Turks, despite signing
Starting point is 07:02:22 treaty saying we're not going to plunder anything, that's all they did. And Circle predicted that. Dorochenko became very unpopular because now we have Islamic plundering and the Jews right behind them, of course. And using the Turks was his undoing. And the one thing other than that that he was known for is that he created a personal guard, a Praetorian guard, completely loyal to him and appointed by him alone. This was a way that he thought he could break the class status in both sides of both banks.
Starting point is 07:02:56 So he rules from 1665. I want to say 1676. He did briefly unite both banks. and he was a typical headman in all other respects but because Kimonitsky had initially asked for the assistance of Crimea going to the Muslims now was okay or at least that's what he thought and then this unified Ukraine would play Poland and Russia off against each other and to a lesser extent the Turks Russia then started to rule Ukrainian lands directly in 1666, 1667. In 1665, there were the so-called Moscow articles, which was a complete domination of Russia over Ukraine. But there was a Cossack that had nothing to do with Ukraine as an ethnicity, although they probably recognized it.
Starting point is 07:03:59 They're all Orthodox Slavs. Turkey was seen as the main. enemy at this point and that justified them going to Turkey but Kimoninsky considered it as well as a way to balance Poland so
Starting point is 07:04:18 even the most pro-Moscow the Cossack rulers would eventually turn on Russia's heavy-handedness you know, Brujavetsky was as pro-Russian as you can get but every promise that they made they broke and of course no one was worse than Peter
Starting point is 07:04:33 Remember, St. Petersburg was built on the bones of Cossacks who, because of the rebellion of the Zepa, were worked to death. The city is literally, the city is literally built on the bones of old Russia, that is to say, the remnants of the Cossack hosts. So even pro-Russia, and now the only reason that the polls were slightly more reasonable is because they were much weaker. even promised an independent church, but that was constantly being violated. That's why Ivan Mezeppa was going to defect and went to the Swedes, because the Russo-Swedish war was going on. Mazepa brought the Baroque from Poland. He stressed the ethnic connection of all of those within the head minute. He needed to create his own ruling class. And he fully admits that the Treaty of Androsova was the worst thing that could have happened to Ukraine. A lot of excellent writers had said the same thing.
Starting point is 07:05:47 So in Mazepa's time, the last hope was Sweden. Everyone else had been tried. And not to mention the fact that the Russians at the time were under Peter the Great. Peter the Great was a Freemason He was an occultist I have an article About his drunken synod Where he was a Satanist
Starting point is 07:06:08 He created his own make-believe church centered around alcohol And given the orthodox point of view He had no political legitimacy Not to mention he moved the capital At some point And the fact that so many Cossacks perished In the White Sea building project
Starting point is 07:06:23 The foundation of St. Petersburg But of course we'll know what happened Mazepa went to Charles 12th, and they were both destroyed. So, beginning of the 18th century, Ukraine had become part of the Russian Empire after the defeat of Edmund Mazepa. And he fled to Turkey, along with the Swedish king. So, you know, but that's the basic structure of, of. of the Cossack, and I'm saving to the end, the last rebellion, the Kalivashina, or the Hadamak Rebellion in 1768.
Starting point is 07:07:13 But I want to pause right here and see if you have anything to say. Well, yeah, I was going to say, if you're going to finish up with that, that would be great. And then, you know, maybe we can do a follow-up on a follow-up one day and get in some more modern time to talk about Pallas settlement and up through the revolution because there were still Cossacks. Cossacks still existed in 1917. So let's finish up this period and then we'll work on another period another time. All right. Well, remember, the Cossacks still exists today. Usually pro-Russian and the war Ukraine, of course, destroyed anything, any concern with Ukraine. But the last true rebellion was in
Starting point is 07:07:56 1768, the 2nd was in Petersburg. And just like before, Poland was divided between, I'm sorry, the Ukraine was divided between Poland and Moscow. And those under Poland were yet again under the Jews. And now those in Poland had the even worse treatment than they had in the past. and the uprising the Kulivashina uprising was one of the reasons
Starting point is 07:08:31 the Polish Empire collapsed the arrogance of the Jews never went anywhere they behaved in the exact same way including after the Polish Empire fell apart they created something called the Bar Confederation
Starting point is 07:08:45 this was the Polish a military alliance a few landlords against the Polish king Stanislaus Augustus also against Russian troops in parts of Poland and yes
Starting point is 07:09:01 Russian wanted to weaken the Polish Empire but not necessarily in power a sort of a Cossack force because they were a shadow with their former self by 1768 in 1768 there was specifically an incident
Starting point is 07:09:19 based on the oppression of Polish lords and Jews against enforcing them to join the Catholic Church to join the union. And as time went on, the rights of the Orthodox were whittled the way to absolutely nothing. And making matters worse, that very same year, Prince Niccoli Rapinian had to proclaim the equality of Orthodox and Protestants with Catholics, including the right to hold government positions, being on top. top. And that caused indignation not just amongst the Ukrainians, but the Polish elite too. And the result of all that was the Bar Confederation. And the Bar Confederation, this was the only unified institutions Poland had. And they did engage in pogroms against the orthodox. And that was a reprisal for this rebellion. It was started in May of 1768, Abbott de Milchizedek of the Mokic.
Starting point is 07:10:26 Trinichke Monaster, in the southern part of Kiev. The Zaporosian had at the time was Maxim Zelizniak, who initially only had 18 people, but given the arrogance of the Jews, it grew tremendously. And it engulfed almost the entire southeastern part of Kiev and even expanded west. Now, it wasn't all Crosaks in this case, but you did have the core of it was Zaporosian. once. You still had plenty of runaway peasants and everything else, soldiers from Russia who participated in all of this. The assumption was that once the Russians realized that we can do it, they will go to St. Petersburg for assistance because they figured, well,
Starting point is 07:11:14 they want to weaken Poland. And yet, it didn't happen. It was a systematic rebellion, the Lysniak sent attachments all over the place. And there was something, is a fictitious document called the Golden Charter of Catherine II, which allegedly permitted the extermination of Jews and Poles and independence for the Cossacks. This was not a real document, but many of the rebels thought it was real. So they engaged in an uprising based on this alleged golden charter of Catherine II. but this uprising led to mass exodus of both Polish elites and Jews and it ended up being Zelisniak's movement was very large and he restored Cossack independent he really in the case you had peasant Cossack detachments at Haidemach was a peasant rebel it engulfed most of Kiev Galicia and no one was spared. The Hadimak detachment destroyed everybody. Their traditional enemies because the confederation ultimately left the civilian population unprotected once they were
Starting point is 07:12:36 had to go in retreat. The Haidemak's actually hanged a Polish nobleman, a euniate priest, and a Jew on the same tree and had the inscription a pole, a Jew and a dog, the same faith. I don't know if they killed a dog for that or not, but it happened all the time. But by this point, the anger had reached tremendous levels. Yes, some of these rebels didn't think every Jew needed to be eliminated, but many of them were. They learned nothing from Kim Ilitsky. And this was the last real uprising of the Cossacks, really until the Russian Civil War. Most of the, Catherine II, as well as the polls, had tribes of Lisniak and others.
Starting point is 07:13:30 There is a book, the Kodenskaya, Niga, the protocols of some of the court hearings there. Most of these guys were tortured to death between 1769, 17700 people were executed. And this is what finally allowed Catherine II. to destroy as a Porosian Cossack hosts which never really returned. They weren't military rebels. They were simply criminals. In other
Starting point is 07:14:02 words, the Russians, even though Catherine the Great was not Russian and the 18th century in Russia itself was an absolute disaster politically, they fought for Poland. Which was a huge shock to everyone involved. Not only that, but rounded the rebels up for not just their own, but for Polish interests.
Starting point is 07:14:26 How Russia can be served by supporting Polish interests is a mystery, very much like Doroshenko with the Turks. But she actually wrote these men be punished with the most severe execution, used only with the greatest of criminals. And he included the entire population of the Zaporosian sheep. at the same time. So, you know, we've covered a lot of ground here. But the Jews were in that top three enemies of the Cossacks,
Starting point is 07:15:02 the Polish landlords, Jews, and the Greek Catholics, so-called. And I guess Catholics in general, because they look to Poland rather than anyone else. Catherine then purged the church yet again. Abbott Mokizek was transferred and the Greek Catholic metropolitan in Kiev at the time Philip Volokovych instigated even worse persecutions of the Orthodox and in the new Polish confedrations that were being formed. So that was the last main.
Starting point is 07:15:42 major uprising and the destruction of anything approaching Cossack independence, and it wasn't until the Russian Revolution, so-called the Russian Civil War, that the Cossacks again showed themselves in spaces like, you know, Terek, on the dawn, even on the Volga, rose up against the communists and consistently did so right up until the German invasion. Well, that's fantastic. Yeah, I want to follow this up with another episode where we can pick up there and go forward and come into the modern day. That would be great. Just like always, I'm going to link to all the places where people can donate to you, can subscribe
Starting point is 07:16:25 to your work. Right. And yeah, it's always a pleasure. And I made sure last time I have all of the places where people can support your work because I know this is what you do. what you do full-time, and like many other people, there aren't any universities knocking down your door to ask you to come and work, come and teach, are there?
Starting point is 07:16:56 Yeah, I think the only place I could be comfortable would be in parts of Russia itself, Belarus, especially. Who knows, maybe even Iran. These are highly literate places. But, yeah, the university, was my life for a long time. I was a professor for years, really until, until COVID. I didn't want to do online. I need an audience. I need to scare freshmen. I, you know, I can't do that online. Although I do want to note that my PO box, the one entire hill no longer functioned. I will be opening a new one soon. And when that happens, I'll give the number and city to use. into anybody else so donations and stuff either come through my patreon or direct donations through my um um uh the the link it's not PayPal because they get kicked off there but I've got one of their
Starting point is 07:17:56 competitors to do it and uh you you know they'll see when they click what you have here because yeah this is full time I'm completely independent but to maintain my independence I have to have my own source of income and I have plenty of um generous donors because I've been around for so long I've been doing the same things for so long um that they know I'm not fly by night and that they can they can trust me your listeners tend to be very um generous and it's so difficult to try to summarize something like the cause section Jews through history in you know 50 minutes that's very very difficult and hopefully I was coherent but um but yeah your your listeners are excellent and I appreciate whatever they can do to assist me and to keep me independent yep I will
Starting point is 07:18:52 I will definitely make sure that they have access to that uh to that information so that they can do that and yeah I do the people who listen to this show um I don't tell them often enough how much how great they are and how much I love them, but each and every one. And, you know, one more thing before we leave this, you talked about how you've been doing this for a long time. And I think now we're starting to see that the kind of things that you've been talking about for forever, you know, for as long as you have, starting to crack the mainstream. And Normies are starting to ask questions. I have noticed that.
Starting point is 07:19:35 And as things get worse and worse and worse, more of our people are going to be radicalized and they're going to be looking for answers. They're going to trust the media. They're going to be looking elsewhere. And I hope that they start looking at people like me and you and others. Thank you, Dr. Johnson. I appreciate it. Always.
Starting point is 07:19:55 All right. You're welcome, my friend. I want to welcome everyone back to the Picanados show. Well, this is different. We're not here to read 200 years together. We're here to talk about something else. How are you doing, Dr. Johnson? You know, at Willis Cardo, when I used to work for him, he would occasionally say, you know, all these other people, how come no one's approaching me?
Starting point is 07:20:18 Some government or a social body wanting to give me money to say something. How come no one has ever done that? No one's ever tried to buy me. No one's ever trying. I wasn't sure if he was feeling left out. if he was if he was being complimented and i feel the same way you know no one has ever approached me i'm starting to wonder maybe i need to up my game here um you know no no you know so i i not guitar or anybody else yeah this is in reference to um apparently dr johnson didn't know
Starting point is 07:20:52 about the whole qatarri meme where uh where all the the new the hosbera for the last six months to a year has been that, no, it's actually Qatar and not Israel and not Jews. It's Qataris and not Jews who control the United States government because, you know, the ACPAC is the biggest, you know, has a babysitter for every congressman and, you know, the Qataris control Hollywood and the porn industry and banking and the press. So, yeah. Yeah. So. Yes, I'm proud to have been unaware of that, yeah. Yeah. All right.
Starting point is 07:21:35 Well, the reason I asked you to come on today was about a month ago, you did an article, and then you talked about it on your show about Carl Marx's, how do you pronounce it, Judenfragha? On the Jewish question. Yeah. On the Jewish question, yeah. And I think when the Jewish question is, discussed mostly in our circles, it's discussed from the right. And, you know, when you read what
Starting point is 07:22:09 Marx is talking about in the Jewish question and then the reactions to it afterwards, I think it's important to see exactly how it was coming from the far left. So, you know, you can start anywhere you want, Dr. Johnson. Well, I don't know why it took me so long. You know, a lot of our people you know, really don't have the capacity. It's not an easy, it's not an easy article. It's very early. It's what five years before the Communist Manifesto was, was published. His whole, you know, philosophy hadn't fully come together yet. And, you know, we don't have a lot of people who can properly interpret it. Because I know, you know, I spent decades on Hegel. And the relationship between Hegel and Marx is, you know, minimal, but it's more Feuerbach and Marx.
Starting point is 07:23:06 But the Jewish question was written in response to Bruno Bauer, who for years I thought was Jewish, and he's not. He's one of these weird atheists types, but talking about what we've been talking about with the Solzhenitsyn stuff, the nature of assimilation. so this is a very young Karl Marx and most Marxists try to pretend that he never wrote this but as I say at the very end of this paper most of the founders you know Bakunin Prudhon several others founders of leftist movements
Starting point is 07:23:52 all were vehemently opposed to the capital the domination the Jews had over Europe. The statements that Karl Marx makes here are only made by us anymore. So this kind of sticks out, even though, you know, I first came across it as a young man in his early manuscripts. And it's funny because the early manuscripts is what the Frankfurt School was trying to stress with the exception of that one. And as I say in the very beginning of this paper, and I knew this was going to.
Starting point is 07:24:29 going to be a hit. I know people are going to be talking about this. I've got a lot of emails about it because we kind of vaguely know it's there that he wrote on this, how harsh he was, but his purpose, that's, you know, that's a separate matter. And I do note that so much of the secondary literature on this has been written by Jews. In fact, it's very hard to come across either academic or popular intellectual popular that's not it's not a Jewish name or someone obviously
Starting point is 07:25:03 Jewish so you know it gets very distorted and obviously they're never going to ask if it's true what Marx is saying but calling Marx and anti-Semline is very strange you know because I say you know Marxism is one of the official
Starting point is 07:25:21 ideologies of the American University the Western University So how could we possibly have this, you know, I don't know how many anarchists in the streets know about Prudhoun or Bakunen's views on the Jews? But it does bear some connection to what we're talking about in Solzhenitsyn. Because the debates in Germany, well, you know, what was soon to be Germany at this point, very similar to what we've been talking about. Now, assimilation, you know, we don't have a full definition of this. We're going to remain Jews.
Starting point is 07:26:01 And this is the whole question that Bauer brings up. And this is in response to Bauer's paper of the same name. And, of course, the whole assimilation idea is strange, since Jews never considered themselves Russians or Germans. Generally speaking, didn't speak the language. And we know what they thought of the people around them. So the whole concept of emancipation was really something created for a Gentile audience.
Starting point is 07:26:35 What it comes down to is that because they're Machiavellians and they're better organized and they have more money, any sense of emancipation from the various restrictions that they had would mean, and I quote Moses Hess in this paper saying the same thing, that it would turn, you know, trying to turn them into, they would dominate the society totally, turning the Gentiles into Jews. Now, allegedly, Bauer made the argument that Jews had to give up their Judaism
Starting point is 07:27:07 if they were to become worthy of equal rights. And I'm quoting Hal Draper there, kind of a big name, Jewish intellectual, but even there. And Karl Marx actually deals with this. What is Judaism? mean here. It's not really descriptive by itself. It could refer to a culture,
Starting point is 07:27:25 an ethnicity, a religion. It doesn't say much. Some of the naive Gentile boomers still think that you're talking about, you know, they just go to a different church than we do. But Bauer still was operating under the assumption
Starting point is 07:27:41 that Judaism primarily is a religion, not an ethnicity, or even a way of thought. Now, Karl Marx, again Marxism hadn't fully been developed yet but some of the outlines can be found Marx criticizes Bauer by saying that he doesn't make the distinction
Starting point is 07:28:01 between political and what he calls human emancipation human emancipation of course is revolution political emancipation is just a matter of tinkering reforms So the political side, the civic side, doesn't require Jews to renounce anything. It just removes formal restrictions on, you know, like the numerous clauses and things like that. Now, technically, the human emancipation would involve the disappearance of religion and ethnicity altogether. But within the hitherto existing world order, as Mark says, it's not possible. But we all know what that will mean in principle.
Starting point is 07:28:47 practice. So that's what, that's the Marx's essential criticism. There's no need to abolish any kind of religion with political emancipation. And so, you know, you have to talk about Hegel a little bit to get this right. In his political theory, there's a, in the philosophy of right, the central distinction is between civil society and the state. The fact that those are two different things are, both Hegel and Marks thought were a matter of alienation. The state also refers to the nation, not just the government. Civil society refers to the private sector.
Starting point is 07:29:39 And Hegel being a nationalist, didn't like the idea. And, of course, they were going to be civil. synthesized, you know, the family, civil society, that dialectic leads to the state, which uses both. It's a very profound aspect of nationalist political thought. In Marx's early view, you know, the party would absorb civil society, and that's where human emancipation would take place. So that's how he, that's how he begins. So let me quote Marx here early on in the Jewish question. He says, the decomposition of man into Jew and citizen, Protestant and citizen, religious man and citizen, is neither a deception directed against citizenship nor is at a circumvention of political emancipation.
Starting point is 07:30:31 It's political emancipation itself, the political method of emancipating oneself from religion. Of course, in periods where the political state, as such, is born violently out of civil society, when political liberation is a form in which man strived to achieve the liberation, The state can and must go so far as to abolish religion, the destruction of religion, but can only do so in the same way that it proceeds to the abolition of private property, to the maximum, to confiscation, progressive taxation, just as it goes so far, the abolition of life and the guillotine. And he has certain words, the guillotine is italicized in the original. Abolition of religion is italicized. but Marx is well aware
Starting point is 07:31:15 Political emancipation ultimately turns Gentiles into Jews because once restrictions on Jewish behavior are lifted they will come to dominate the economy and civil society as a whole both through their money and through their ethnic cohesion that means when I take this to the final conclusion
Starting point is 07:31:37 there wouldn't be a Jewish community really there wouldn't be a Christian one they all would think this it would be a Jewish community but in terms of thought in terms of basic attitudes they'd all be thinking the same way the Jewish community would just be on top
Starting point is 07:31:50 now religion you know if anyone you know Hegel was not a he was an influence on Marx but he didn't teach you know Marx was 13 when Hegel died someone who was far closer was Ludwig Foribach
Starting point is 07:32:07 who I read started reading many years ago he was an atheist and religion essentially is a human construct that reflects human suffering it's a expression of suffering and a protest against it and even earlier than this marx wrote the critique of Hegel's philosophy of right really distancing himself from Hegel in general but you know you can't so carl marks couldn't can't really be talking about religion unless you're talking about the social foundation on which it expresses itself so marks wrote and i think you know most of us know this religious suffering is at one of the same time the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature the heart of a heartless world the soul of soulless conditions it is the opium of the people which is another way of saying that after the revolution,
Starting point is 07:33:10 religion would wither away. And I'm always worried about the use of... Whenever someone uses religion, be very careful. They're usually just talking about Christianity. But what this means in actual practice is, you know, it's going to be a violent abolition of religion because it's strictly illusory, although it's justified given capitalism.
Starting point is 07:33:33 But it doesn't matter if they're opposed to it, because religion is actually a demand for the conditions that gave rise to religion to go away. That gives socialism its mandate. They may not know this, but they all want to give up their illusions, and we're going to make sure that that happens. Now, beyond that, there is a question of free trade. Everyone knows that you have, you know, primitive communism, feudalism, capitalism, capitalism, socialism, that's the linear, basic, simplistic description of how history goes in the Marx's system. Generally speaking, not all the time, but generally speaking, Marx realized that capitalism was an absolutely essential step.
Starting point is 07:34:27 He knew that it was revolutionary. it is revolutionary. It continues to be revolutionary today. Capitalism is important, not just because it creates these huge methods of production and money and everything else that the socials will use, but even more than that, it destroys national boundaries. And as we've also discussed before, it creates an alienated proletariat, which according to them, Marxist, doesn't have an identity. So Karl Marx was vehemently opposed to any, like, you know, List and others of Ficta, who was, of course, earlier, who wanted any tariffs on Prussia, later Germany. And he talked about sovereignty to Marx was backwards.
Starting point is 07:35:18 The French and the British revolutions, we've got to keep this in mind. I mean, capitalism is revolutionary for, among other things, it abolishes the church's control over man's passions. It justifies oligarchy. E. Michael Jones wrote in one of my favorite books of his back in 2014. When we say bourgeois revolution, we mean the French Revolution, English Revolution before it, 1848, etc. Anything but what happened in 1917. Bouchoir revolutions allowed the rapacious capitalist to gain the upper hand and oppress the poor in a way unknown when Christianity was the source of the social order.
Starting point is 07:35:56 So, at the time this was written, or throughout Marx's lifetime, the evils of capitalism, especially in the factory system, and especially in the Western world, no one could ignore how evil they were. At the time, it was the right wing. It was Catholics, it was certain Lutheran, certain Anglicans that were, you know, they advocated the abolition of capitalism. Karl Marx made believe that this was, his was the first scientific method of doing it. but where'd Marks come from? He kind of exploded onto the scene, as Bakunin will say, he had Rothschild money to do it. Only the international version of socialism
Starting point is 07:36:40 is called socialism today. Not all the other, you know, left nationalism, medievalism, everything else, national socialism. And I come across people, whether it be in person or in like comments social media they hear about the rapaciousness
Starting point is 07:37:00 of the oligarchy and well I guess we have to dust off our copy of capital or something and they really believe that capitalism and Marxism
Starting point is 07:37:09 are opposites which they are not what did the proletariat mean to Marx Marx? Marx says here and in many other places that
Starting point is 07:37:22 it's a proletariat Because they have no identity, according to him, that's the agent to bring about the end of the existing social order. And he needed to mobilize them, and I say in here, against what we would call, you know, essentially national socialists, you know, List, Herder, Mueller, Fixter, and Germany, the Slavophiles in Russia, all of them striving to preserve their nation against predatory. ultimately British capitalism through a free trade. Now, we talked about this with Soltonitin, but the proletariat is this group of people, sociologically speaking, who had to leave the village to go to the cities
Starting point is 07:38:07 to find work in the new factories during and after the Industrial Revolution. Usually they were alone. Their families were back. But that means that they were subject to new temptations. They were cut off. from the village they owned nothing at all that's the foundation of marxism the proletariat has to rent out his own body you know for 20 hours a day as a worker that level that sort of
Starting point is 07:38:41 person is what's needed for uh the socialist revolution to come later on and i write here men with a strong sense of ethnicity and religion don't fight for socialism Remember, there is nothing conservative about capitalism, not its foundation and not its vicious postmodern variant that we live under today. And Marx and Engels realized that this abstraction, the proletarian, you know, none of them had any real connection to them. We talked about with the Jews in Russia. None of these guys had any connection with a working man. None of them. Engels was a factory owner of all things who took advantage.
Starting point is 07:39:24 who had mistresses who worked in his factories but it's precisely because they were in such a vulnerable state that the party can kind of project whatever they want onto them that kind of alienation made them perfect for this and as Jones and many others said
Starting point is 07:39:49 because of Marx in the Rothschild money that went into him The reaction against British free trade, which was, you know, Marxian socialism, was Jewish. And that changed everything. We talked about, you know, Werner Sombart and how the Jews completely altered how economies function. Things like advertising, underselling, saying bad things about your competition. That was unknown in Europe, up until, you know, the late 18th century, the middle of the 19th century.
Starting point is 07:40:35 Jewish emancipation would mean that that would, the opposite of that, those evils would become the norm for society. And this is central. It makes Jews out of everybody. So this is what Mark says here. And this is what gets them into truth. trouble. And we'll go into detail here in a little bit.
Starting point is 07:40:57 What is the worldly cult of the Jew? Huckstring. What is his worldly God? Money. Now, Marxists don't talk like that. Marx did. As in all the founders have left this movement. Angles was very much aware,
Starting point is 07:41:18 given his position, that Jewish emancipation would mean the almost a Darwinian rule of Jews over everyone else or at least the total exploitation of the poor by the rich emancipation also meant that they no longer had any of these revolution especially in the French Revolution there was no duty as you had in the feudal era
Starting point is 07:41:43 no duty of capital owners to those working for them Marx argues in this that the so-called Jewish religion, and it's always in quotes, and he means it that way, is a reflection, so to speak, of not just Jewish life, Jewish economic life. And it's true. The religious elements are always secondary to the ethnic element. Now, his argument from here on in is fairly complex, but he does say that there was a historical choice that the Jew made as a huckster, a particularly financially competent one,
Starting point is 07:42:28 and he makes it very plain. I could picture these young leftists coming across. Is he allowed to say that special connection between Judaism as a religion and today's economy, whether it be 1845 or 2025. Free trade is extremely important for Karl Marx. And he made his free trade in speech in Brussels. in 1848, and he says this. He says, generally speaking, the protective system, he means tariffs, in these days is conservative. While the free trade system works destructively,
Starting point is 07:43:04 it breaks up all nationalities and carries antagonism of proletarian and bourgeoisie to the uttermost point. In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. In the revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, I am in favor of free trade. So, In order to bring about so-called human emancipation, Marx had to destroy everything about the social order that had at one time protected them, private property, family, religion, and most importantly, other races and ethnicities, other than Jew. Now, I talked about projecting whatever they want into this abstract proletarian.
Starting point is 07:43:47 Here's what Engels says. I quoted this actually from Barron Medal from 2014. The great mass of proletarians are, by the very nature, free from national prejudices. And their whole dispensation and movement is essentially humanitarian, anti-nationalists. Only the proletarians can destroy nationality. Only the awakening proletariat can bring about fraternization between different nations. This is what I mean when I say that there's projecting whatever they will. He has no evidence for that.
Starting point is 07:44:14 Jews The biggest problem we have The Jews monopolize the writing on this and many other issues concerning Jews They're blinded by ethnic self-interest Now let me quote Hal Draper
Starting point is 07:44:32 I think I mentioned him already And these Jews have such a tough time with this They're not really sure what to do with it Not only because Marx was the founder of socials But he was a Jew he says this. Now he's talking about Bruno Bauer. Bauer's court argument
Starting point is 07:44:48 that as long as dues remain Jewish, they are too consumed with Jewish self-interest and communalism to be worthy of full citizenship. In effect, Bauer was calling for opposition to the nation movement for Jewish emancipation in Germany. His long essay was replete with anti-Semitic themes. If Jews were ill-treated in the Christian world, they provoked this mistreatment by their obstinacy.
Starting point is 07:45:09 Jews were not hated because they were misunderstood, did since true understanding or not ultimately the hatred. Jews had lost interest in the progress of man and concentrated entirely on personal advantage. Jews had evolved no moral principle from their suffering,
Starting point is 07:45:24 etc. Now, of course, that's true. Bauer doesn't even mention if this, or draper doesn't even wonder if this is true or false. It's just anti-Semitic. It's as an argument argument in and of itself.
Starting point is 07:45:42 We all know why Jews were treated poorly from time to time in Christensen's society. Now, I think Draper, again, one of these Jews who, you know, you can't ignore this essay so you have to reinterpret it and mutilate it. And Draper goes on. He says, while Bauer echoed the general presidential representation
Starting point is 07:46:06 of the Jew as merchant and money man, March propels was that in the modern world, money had become a world power, and the practical spirit of the Jews has become the practical spirit of Christian peoples. In other words, why become the Jews? The practical spirit of Judaism is money-making, as Bauer suggests, this hardly distinguishes Jews from the great array of non-Jewish entrepreneurs, merchants, bankers, who have risen to ascendancying a temporary society. The idea that the Jew is fundamentally more rooted in money-making than a Christian is wrong-headed. It's as wrong-headed as the idea that the Jew is less eligible for civil or
Starting point is 07:46:37 political rights. Historically, it's true that many Jews played a significant role as middlemen between landowners and tenants, state and taxpayers, capital and consumers, not a few Jews like the Rothschild family, played a significant role as international bankers, but Marx insisted that this progressive role played by Jews in the development of capitalism was coming to an end. The practical spirit of money-making was as general as a growth of nation-states, national banks, and national capital.
Starting point is 07:47:03 Now, I'm saying that, you know, Draper speaks for most Jews. This is a very common way to approach this. The one thing he can't handle is that Jews created the modern commercial state. No matter where we're analyzing, Jews come to control a huge share of its mercantile trade using debt to take huge amounts of property to themselves from debtors who go under this isn't prejudicial
Starting point is 07:47:41 this has been the direct experience of millions all over Europe international banking was the Rothschild family in other words if you're a socialist and you believe that these kind of concentrations of capital in a few hands
Starting point is 07:47:59 are wrong why are you ignoring the Jews? It's all special pleading. But because Socialism earlier, you know, thanks to Marx, socialism early on, was very Jewish. They couldn't.
Starting point is 07:48:23 The Jewish religion, so to speak, which Karl Marx always kind of says, you know, tongue in cheek. Of course it doesn't need to disarmes. disappear. Bauer still thinks of it as a theology. No, Marx sees it as a natural part of a bourgeois society. In other words, by religion, he means the economic and experience existence of predatory Jews, the Talmudis. Because Marx knew that practical Judaism was huckstering, money, and profit-seeking, rent-seeking. Hence, Christians have become Jews,
Starting point is 07:48:56 and ultimately, it's mankind, both. that needs to emancipate itself from this practical Judaism. Now, what does he mean by that? It's another way of saying that Jews have leveraged their financial power to alter the basic moral code of the societies in which they live. They were the revolutionary core. It didn't matter if it was capitalist or socialist. In poor Russia, they were the core of the Bolsheviks in 1917.
Starting point is 07:49:28 they were the core of the oligarchs in 1992. You know, when you introduce dishonest fraudulent business tactics into society, well, Gentiles just can't sit there. They have to respond. It's not a prejudice. This is why Jews get kicked out. So Draper says something like, there is no longer any economic basis
Starting point is 07:49:58 for distinguishing between Jew and Gentile hence no room for legal discrimination between them. Now Draper thinks that that's Marx's argument for emancipation. He means something a little bit more than that. Society has been Judaized. It didn't just happen.
Starting point is 07:50:19 Revolution, you know, the bourgeois revolution just put a stamp on it. The key element is that the influence of the Jews created what we call capitalism, economic modernity. Although I do note here that
Starting point is 07:50:34 some persecution, as we talked about with Solzhenitsyn, some persecution is necessary for the Jews. They need it. Not too much of it. We saw what their very distorted view of the pogroms meant in Russia. It created a unified
Starting point is 07:50:50 Jewish body that didn't exist before, or not nearly to that extent. So persecution, to exaggerate, it's absolutely essential. Remember, all the things, all the restrictions in Russia that we've spoken out came from very specific reasons. It didn't just happen. They didn't just write them in there for fun.
Starting point is 07:51:11 Firstly, it was because of their dishonest business practices. Then, later, it was their revolutionary violence. The concept of commerce changed at this period of time. Marx is looking at the Jews here, but in a good way. Jews could charge interest to the strangers, that is, you know, William, whoever, but not to each other. Sambart says that the entire modern conception of ego-driven profit-seeking comes from the Jewish idea of how they treat non-Jews. Jews see the entire world as hostile. And their influence would then loosen the bonds of any kind of feudal duties
Starting point is 07:52:06 and replace them with simple individualism. And that was totally foreign in a Christian Europe. But Jews can't be talking like that today. I also cite Hayam Makubi, another Jew. It's hard to find Gentile writers on this. I think a lot of them just don't understand it. Because it is, you know, it's, you have to spend a lot of time putting it together in your brain. And this is just an example, he says, of Marx's early anti-Semitism.
Starting point is 07:52:44 Marx argues that the modern commercialized world is a triumph of Judaism, a pseudo-religion whose God is money. Well, that's true. It's exactly what he's saying here. But then he says, well, Marx was embarrassed by his Jewish background and used Jews as a yardstick of evil. Now, he doesn't give any evidence of this. But that's, again, another very common theme in these articles written on this paper.
Starting point is 07:53:13 If you're anti-capitalist, how do you avoid looking at the Jews? They clearly are in charge of huge chunks of capital way out of proportion to their numbers so the only way out is a special pleading pretending it's not there cognitive dissonance now Sombart did teach me something
Starting point is 07:53:37 in the Jews in modern capitalism which he wrote in 1911 the wealthiest Jews going back not only either were Talmudic scholars themselves or finance them and he says in page 133 the most learned Talmudists were also the cleverest financiers, medical men, jeweler's, merchants.
Starting point is 07:53:56 We're told that some of the Spanish ministers of finance, bankers, and court physicians, that they devoted to the study of the holy writ, meaning the Talmud, not only in the Sabbath day, but also at least two nights of each week. Now, I went to a handful of writers like Jones have ever bothered to even talk about this. Jones mentions it once or twice, not too much. talking about it systematically is you know but sometimes it's kind of hard to see how this trajectory is going to go how do you go from anti-Semite at the same time as being a Jewish revolutionary
Starting point is 07:54:36 and we have spoken of in the Shultanites and stuff the nature of the Enlightenment whether the Jewish Enlightenment or the Enlightenment in general and we know the purpose to dissolve tradition overthrow the monarchy to destroy religion so then when you apply it to Christianity it makes them Jews Judaism and I agree
Starting point is 07:55:01 with E. Michael Jones it's their essence is a rejection of logos and that culminates by definition in revolution the healing of the world the German Enlightenment gave birth the Jewish revolutionary mentality We talked about in Shultzhenitsin, how these shuttles very quickly, once they were abolished, became revolutionary communist cells, bringing about the state in the USSR.
Starting point is 07:55:35 And I love it. Michael Jones says, you know, when the German Enlightenment affected the Jews, it led to assimilation in the first generation and socially. in the second. Christianity didn't dissolve into universal human consciousness, as Bauer thought it might, but a Christian who is placed in this environment becomes a Jew. Thus, in Marx's world, they're capable of becoming emancipated. They all were entitled, egoistic, alienated individuals.
Starting point is 07:56:13 both would attain true freedom only a society liberated from Judaism, Karl Marx says, using the phrase the preconditions of huckstering. Again, it's the same thing. This is a nice way of saying the Jews took over the morals of society and perverted it in their direction.
Starting point is 07:56:31 Let me quote Marx again in this and the Jewish question. The Christian state can behave towards the Jew only in a way characteristic of the Christian state that is by granting privileges. by permitting the separation of the Jew from the other subject, making him feel the pressure of all the other separate spirits of society
Starting point is 07:56:51 and feel all the more intensely because he's a religious opposition to the dominant religion. But the Jew, too, can behave towards a state only in a Jewish way that is by treating him as something alien to him, by counterposing his imaginary nationality to the real nationality, by counterposing his illusory law to the real one, by dimming himself justified and separating himself from mankind, by abstaining on principle from taking part in any historical movement, movement by putting his trust in a future, which has nothing in common, the future of mankind
Starting point is 07:57:17 in general, by seeing himself as a member of the Jewish people, the Jewish people as a chosen people. That goes away, though, when you make Jews out of everybody, which, you know, a Freemasonry was supposed to do. The Jewish way, of course, is we all know. We all know how they view Goim. At best, they're there to be led to the Enlightenment, you know, or push to the Enlightenment, sometimes by force, or at worst, they're to be neutralized entirely. Of course, here we're talking about, you know, proto-Germany, for the most part, Lutheran.
Starting point is 07:57:59 The Jews saw themselves both as separate and superior. They can't be given abstract rights. They're only granted privileges. Now, Marx goes on to talk about the French Revolution. and what a right might be. The French Revolutionary Doctrine says in the rights of man, Article 6, Liberty is the power which man has to do everything that does not harm the rights of others, which is quite a defective view of what freedom is.
Starting point is 07:58:33 But we take it for granted. I mean, Americans take it for granted today. It's the absence of restraint. The truth is that that's the removal of Christian principles. the restraint, and that permitted the explosion of greed that empowered a new class of capitalist oligarchs, and hence Jewish wealth. Political emancipation to him means, he's writing about the French Revolution, is the overthrow of the French monarchy, and of course, the church that went with it.
Starting point is 07:59:10 and he writes about the French Revolution he also means not just the church and the state but also the guilds and the estates what's left the ego the individual that leads to materialism but that's a needed step on a road to capitalist revolution and then at some point the socialist one the rights of man are abstract they're not universals they're abstractions now socialism is as different story.
Starting point is 07:59:42 They had to destroy religion. It always interested me. You know, Russia of all places had functioning in a broad definition of the term socialist institution, the commune itself, the Artel, the monastery, the Brotherhood of the Holy Cross, all of these kind of things. That was the first thing to be destroyed. The Jewish element of it added something different. This is what Prudhon had such a problem with it.
Starting point is 08:00:10 It adds this hate-filled element to it. Now, the revolution, of course, ultimately you really can't talk about the state at all and certainly can't talk about abstractions like rights. And obviously, free trade is what, you know, free trade affects less, not just commodities. It affects labor prices too. Labor then competes with one another. So that means for the libertarians, the highest degree of general competition leads by the same necessity. to drive the workers' wages down to the lowest possible level.
Starting point is 08:00:44 That ultimately is a goal of free trade. It leads to misery, and according to Marx, that's absolutely necessary for revolution. So what does freedom mean, then, to the proletarian, this imaginary body, imaginary unit who lacks the resources to do much of anything? How can he approach the... What does freedom mean to remain like this?
Starting point is 08:01:07 When he signs a contract, are they equal parties? Neighbor unions were destroyed, the guilds were destroyed, the estates were destroyed. Now, I'm going to get to the heart of the matter here. This is what people either pro or con take out of the Jewish question. Here's what Mark says. And I kind of summarized what we've been saying so far. Let's consider the actual worldly Jew, not the religious Jew, the Sabbath Jew, as Bauer does, but the everyday Jew. let us not look for the secret of the Jew in his religion,
Starting point is 08:01:44 but let us look for the secret of his religion in the Jew. What's the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What's the worldly religion of the Jew? Huxring. His God is money. An organization of society, which would abolish the preconditions for Huckstring, and therefore the possibility of Huxring would make the Jew impossible. We recognize in Judaism, therefore, a general anti-social element of the present time,
Starting point is 08:02:08 an element which through historical development to which this harmful respect the Jews have zealously contributed has been brought to the present level at which it must necessarily begin to disintegrate in the final analysis the emancipation of the Jews is the emancipation of mankind from Judaism
Starting point is 08:02:26 the Jew has emancipated himself in a Jewish manner not only because he's acquired financial power but also because through him and also apart from him money has become a world power and the practical Jewish spirit has become the practical spirit of the Christian nations. The Jews have emancipated themselves insofar as the Christians have become Jews.
Starting point is 08:02:48 That sentence is the core of the book, or of the essay. The Jews have emancipated themselves insofar as the Christians have become Jews. So Marx is very clear. Judaism cares about that, not the mystification, of the synagogue, he doesn't care about that. The real Jew, he lives in service to Mammon. Jews have poisoned Christian life.
Starting point is 08:03:19 So Christians, or most of them, have become materialists. Christians have become Jews. Emancipation, because it's just an abstraction, that would unleash total huckstring. It's a dominant norm. Rights are abstract, but the real Jew is not. Let me continue.
Starting point is 08:03:37 This is what Mark. Marx says, again, in the same essay, The monotheism of the Jew, therefore, is in reality the polytheism of the many physical needs, a polytheism which makes even the lavatory an object of divine law. Of course, he's talking about the Talmud. Practical need, egoism, its principle of civil society,
Starting point is 08:03:55 and as such appears in pure form, as soon as civil society has fully given birth to the political state. Money is a jealous God of Israel. The face of which no other God may exist, money degrades all the gods of man, turning them into commodities. Money is a universal self-established value of all things. It has, therefore, robbed the whole world, both the world of men and nature, of its specific value.
Starting point is 08:04:17 Money is the estranged essence of man's work and man's existence, and this alien essence dominates the Jew, and he worships it. The God of the Jews has become secularized, has become the God of the world. The Bill of Exchange is a real God of the Jew. His God is only the illusory bill of exchange. The view of nature attained under the domination. of private property and money is a real contempt for and practical debasement of nature. In the Jewish religion, nature exists. It's true, but it exists only in their imagination.
Starting point is 08:04:51 Now, those two quotes that I just, when anyone talks about it kind of from our side, that's what they bring up. There's a pretty surprise to hear stuff like that. But what Marx is saying is that, you know, Judaism is not a religion. It's almost a cover for everything. It's a revolutionary doctrine. You know, people like Draper is a dynamic spirit of the present. The spirit of practical rationality in private gain, which is just another word for British free trade, oligarchy, imperialism.
Starting point is 08:05:22 A lot of people don't realize. It isn't just, you know, even right up until almost the 20th century, the concept of competition in the way that we think of the term in the economic marketplace was something very foreign to European cities. I want to quote
Starting point is 08:05:43 Werner Sombard here. To take away your neighbor's customers was contemptible, un-Christian, and immoral. A rule for merchants who trade in commodities was turn no man's customers away from him either by word of mouth or by letter and do not another
Starting point is 08:06:02 what you would not have another note do to you. It was, however, more than a rule, it became an ordinance. It's met with over and over again. In Mayence, the wording is as follows. No one shall prevent another from buying or by offering a higher price, make a commodity dearer for more expensive. On pain of losing his purchase, no one shall interfere in another's business undertaking or carry out his own on so large a scale as to ruin the other traders. In Saxony, it's the same thing. No shopkeeper can call away the customers from another shop, nor shall he be.
Starting point is 08:06:34 be signed by signs or emotions, keep them from buying. Even having a sign outside your shop was out of the question. Advertising was out of the question. It was stability, not profit. That was the ideal of European commerce. Advertising was vulgar. That was something also brought in by Jewish traders. And in Sombart cites a huge number of local laws and ordinances from
Starting point is 08:07:03 17th century, 18th century in Europe but wherever the Jews became more numerous, more powerful, more wealthy they were able to uproot that system. That was Mark's response to Bauer. The feudal must give way to the mercantile or the capitalist.
Starting point is 08:07:25 That's a necessary step to revolution before socialism could even be considered. And Jews were a central element to both transitions. Essentially, it was a non-inquisitive society. Almost impossible for us to really understand. I mean, isn't that just because we've been completely Judaized, as he said. I mean, there's, you can say what you want about Marx.
Starting point is 08:07:51 His analysis is correct in much of this. And Sombard's book, Jews and Modern Capitalism, is important to understand this, that there is nothing we do in finance or in business that that isn't Jewish. We take it for granted. It all comes from them. And we praise it because we've been told that people in the Middle Ages or people, you know, people 500 years ago, well, you know, they had no happiness. They were slaves.
Starting point is 08:08:22 They were slaves on the land. They didn't own their land. Yada yada. You had to have the black plague in order to have private ownership of property. and, I mean, you can find just as many historians to say this is complete nonsense. Yeah, I don't even think they know how to conceive of it. It took me a while to be able to put it together in my brain.
Starting point is 08:08:45 Because we remember, conservatives, you know, when I was, you know, 17, 18, I got into the conservative movement. Capitalist competition was a wonderful thing. We had to read Adam Smith. You know, this was a great thing. not realizing just how viciously revolutionary was. Yeah, it might work in a, you know, in a small town where everyone knows everybody, which is really the perfect capitalist hypothetical situation that Adam Smith has in mind.
Starting point is 08:09:15 But now we're talking about national and supernational scales. Sambart says, a peasant had his land, the town dweller, his customers. In either case, there were the source when sprang his livelihood. In either case, they were of a size sufficient for his purpose. Hence, the trader had to be short of his custom, and many were the ordinances which guarded him against competition. It was basically commercial etiquette. He says, competition was therefore out of the question. Even look in your neighbor's direction was a problem.
Starting point is 08:09:51 It was stability. Marks, and that's why I bring up Sombard in this paper. I knew I had to. Otherwise, you can't really make sense out of it. What does Karl Marx mean where Christians have become Jews? And you see how people like Hal Draper have tried to reverse it. Like, this is perfectly normal for Christians. They're rich and inquisitive Christians, too, right?
Starting point is 08:10:18 And either he doesn't know or he doesn't care. That wasn't the case, by and large, not that long ago. so what colonel marks generally says along right with sombard many years later profit seeking at the expense of another was a jewish practice that spreads to the rest of society and that's what sombart has shown let me quote marks again from you know part two
Starting point is 08:10:46 of zyridine frog or um jewish question christianity is a sublime thought of judaism Judaism is a common practical application of christianity But this application could only become general after Christianity as a developed religion had completed theoretically the estrangement of man from himself and from nature. Only then could Judaism achieve universal dominance and make alienated man and alienated nature
Starting point is 08:11:10 into endable, vendable, sellable objects subject to slavery of egoistic need and to trading. Selling is a practical aspect of alienation. Just as man, as long as he's in a grip of religion, is able to objectify his essential nature only by turning it into something alien, something fantastic, so under the dominion of egoistic need,
Starting point is 08:11:30 he could be active practically and produce objects in practice, only by putting his products and his activity under the dominion of an alien being, bestowing the significance of an alien entity money on them. Religion for Marx is alienating because it involves transferring the essence of man, which came from Foribach onto some entity.
Starting point is 08:11:52 For Jews, though, They did the same thing. Instead, that entity was money. So when their power reaches a certain critical mass, you know, you have the reformation, especially Calvinism, money making becomes almost a commandment, the scientific revolution coming from alchemy and the Kabbalah. You know, it posited man as ruling nature, not as a part of it.
Starting point is 08:12:20 Judaism took a huge, you know, in Calvin and the Puritans. This is Judeanized semi-Christianity. And Marx continues. In its perfected practice, Christian egoism of heavenly bliss is necessarily transformed into corporeal egoism
Starting point is 08:12:38 of the Jew. Heavenly need is turned into world need, subjectivism, into self-interest. We explained the tenacity of the Jew, not by his religion, but on the contrary, by the human basis of his religion, practical need, egotism. Since in civil society, the real nature of the Jew has been universally realized and secularized,
Starting point is 08:12:56 civil society could not convince the Jew of the unreality of his religious nature. This is indeed just the ideal aspect of his practical need. But people still stubbornly see it as a theology. Once the Jew comes out of his, you know, nonsense and totally dominates the society, it creates the conditions for what he calls a miseration,
Starting point is 08:13:22 for Gentile workers. Amiseration, meaning bringing them to such a point of misery that they can't function anymore and revolution is almost assured. What came to my mind right there is? Yeah. The Gentiles that brag about working 16 hours a day and how hard they work. Where did that come from? Oh, that's, is that the Protestant work ethic?
Starting point is 08:13:46 Oh, okay. Maybe think about that. And then out of that came masonry, and out of that came the scientific revolution and then the industrial revolution. You know, I think the reason that Jews or a socialist of all types can't handle this document is because it is an accurate portrayal of the Machiavellian economic thought and action of the Jews at the time and among Gentiles in general. That's why the secondary literature is almost overwhelmingly in the hands of Jewish authors. usually they can't even contain their emotion the Jew changed the moral economy of Christian Europe this is part of Marx's whole philosophy of history
Starting point is 08:14:33 let me quote Sambard again and this is why it's so important to quote him relative to Karl Marx on the Jews and complaints against the Jews he says now in a community where quality was regulated the only effective means of achieving this end economic dominance was price cutting You shall therefore not be surprised to find Jews availing themselves of this weapon.
Starting point is 08:14:56 We shall see that it was just this that made them so disliked among Christian traders, whose economic outlook was all for maintaining prices. The Jew undersells. The Jew spoils prices. The Jew tries to attract customers by low prices, artificially low prices. That was the burden of the complaints heard in the 17th and 18th centuries, wherever Jews did business. That concept was completely.
Starting point is 08:15:21 foreign to Christian society. And then by the time Charles Darwin, you know, built the survival of the fittest, that was music to the years of these people. Charles Darwin had far more significance than Adam Smith on capitalism. And of course, Karl Marx was a huge devotee of Darwin. So I bring Sambard into this only because he just piles on the evidence that through most of Christian European history
Starting point is 08:15:53 what we take for granted the competition and advertising and underselling and stuff like that was not just not the norm it was a horrible thing to do to somebody Poland he talks about the Swedish part he has so many examples here
Starting point is 08:16:13 there's no denying it Brandenburg Frankfurt Maggabird you know It's the exact same thing over and over again. And he quotes so many people in the supplication of Augsburg in the 19th century. Wholesale merchants against the admission of the Jews, it says that the Jews understand how to derive advantages from the general depression of trade.
Starting point is 08:16:40 They obtain goods from people who need money badly at shameful prices, then spoil the market by selling them at a cheaper rate. That seems kind of, oh, well, you know, most people. people is not what you do. Evil drove out the good because while being good is difficult, and evil was very well organized. It was a moral economy and it gave way to capitalism and free trade, the stages of revolution. And of course, Bolivism, the Jewish left took over entirely. That's because the ego was set free that couldn't have come into existence, had the enlightenment. And British free trade,
Starting point is 08:17:19 not become the norm. And it's interesting. We say, well, how did the Jews, how could they be underselling all the time? Well, one, they were taken often by dishonest means. How many times did I say in Russia, the Jews functioned as a mafia organization? They rarely paid taxes. They hid from the census. Second, cheap goods came from the fire sales.
Starting point is 08:17:45 You know, once a debtor is liquidated? And three, inferior quality. People were talking about the inferior quality of their product because they tried to hide using advertising and PR to manipulate the buyer. The mafia concept, that's how they operate. And Russia became a science. And the only thing that keeps that from becoming known is their control of the press and the legal profession,
Starting point is 08:18:10 all brought about by what Marx calls political emancipation. Now, we have to stop here. The rest of my paper on this is not necessarily connected with the Jewish question, Marxist Jewish question. My point is that even leftists, you know, here's what Bakunin says. And again, the founder of anarchism in Russia. Yeah, well, I shouldn't say, Prudhon, Kupotkin, Bakunin, there were the three founders of anarchism. Bakunin writes on the study of the German Jews, he said, the Jewish sect constitutes a veritable power in Europe.
Starting point is 08:18:54 It reigns despotically in commerce and banking. It has invaded three quarters of German journalism and a very significant part of the journalism of other countries. Then woe to him, who makes the mistake of displeasing it. Now, that actually was quoted disapprovingly by Draper in his article. And Bakunen said that Marx and Engels were on the book. Rothschild payroll. He said it many times. That's why he got kicked out of the first international. But now you have a man of Karl Marx's stature,
Starting point is 08:19:30 Bakunin's stature, as far as the left is concerned, saying this kind of thing. Give up a Pekunin says, himself a Jew, Marx has around him in London and France, but especially in Germany, a multitude of more or less clever, intriguing, mobile, speculating Jews everywhere. Commercial, banking agents, writers, politicians, correspondents for newspapers, one foot in the bank, the other in the socialist movement. Now this entire Jewish world, which forms a single profiteering sect, a people of bloodsuckers, a single gluttonous parasite, closely and intimately united not only across national borders, but across all differences of political opinion.
Starting point is 08:20:06 The Jewish world today stands at the most part at the disposal of Marx, and at the same time at the disposal of Rothschild. That may seem strange, Bukunan asked. but there can be in common between communism and the large banks the communism of Marx seeks enormous centralization in the state and where such exists it must inevitably be a central state bank and where such a bank exists the parasitic Jewish nation
Starting point is 08:20:31 which speculates on the work of the people will always find a way to prevail now Bakunin is not a nobody he's one of the major names in early anarchism You come across, you know, and the Antifa claims to be anarchists, generally speaking. I don't think they came across this. But leftist anti-Jewish thinking terrifies the Jews.
Starting point is 08:21:00 In fact, most of the founders of the main Jewish leftist schools in this era talk like this. Leftist anti-Semitism is a Jewish nightmare. P.J. Prudan, I will end here. PJ Prudhomme, who actually came up with the word anarchism to describe his movement. I always liked him. He's an atheist, but everything else seems pretty solid. He also created the phrase, property is theft. Now, this was only a note to himself, December 26, 1847.
Starting point is 08:21:41 He's saying, you know, this is like a note. He says, write an article, you talk to himself, write an article against the race that poisons everything by sticking its nose into everything without ever mixing with any other people. Demand is expulsion from France. Abolished synagogues. Don't let them into any employment. Demand this expulsion. Pursue the abolition of this religion. It's not without cause that the Christians call them deosites.
Starting point is 08:22:06 The Jews the enemy of man. The Jew must disappear by steel or. or by fusion or by expulsion. The hatred of the Jew, the hatred of the English, should be our first article of political faith. I don't think anarchists know this about their founders. This means that the founders of the socialist left in the 19th century, Prudhomme, Marx, and Bakunen,
Starting point is 08:22:38 all have come to the same conclusions. Even Moses has, despite, you know, he says this exact same thing I have him so we don't have time but he wrote an essay in 1945 same time Marks wrote his our year after
Starting point is 08:22:53 called the essence of money he says pretty much the same thing the main minds the 19th century that created what we call the left all say the same thing regarding the role of Jews and capital their takeover public morals. So when we say those things,
Starting point is 08:23:18 but we're just saying what you said, you know, 100 or so years ago, maybe 150 years ago. Yet for people like Hess and Marx, the way ahead was to increase the power of the, what did they call money wolves,
Starting point is 08:23:34 to reduce the proletariat to hopeless poverty, and then take advantage of their alienation to take over the mass of animals, because that's what has said, entirely and call it a labor paradise. Pruton didn't give a damn about emancipation. In fact, he came very close to defining anarchism, and he's the one who came up with the word,
Starting point is 08:23:57 as freedom from usury. And Bakunin was very close. And I bring this up because this is exactly what Marx was talking about. All of this, in his mind, is a positive thing though I guess the only big difference don't pretend the Jew isn't anything than what he is
Starting point is 08:24:20 but without the Jew of course future revolution is impossible capitalism is revolutionary free trade is meant to destroy national about borders meaning ethnicity
Starting point is 08:24:34 mix everyone up the Jewish element is very element is very important, as we know, that Rothschild is in Britain. And then once the proletariat becomes the norm in their miserable condition, then at some point you'll have bolshevism.
Starting point is 08:24:51 You know, one of the things that people listening to this will say, because this is all coming from the left, is that well, you know, that undercutting of prices and making things cheaper, that just made people on the ground wealthier. That just made
Starting point is 08:25:07 the average man, the average man now could have things that only wealthy people could have before, you know, without asking at what cost. Because you're just, it's, when you take that route, it's purely materialistic. When the metaphysical disappears, family disappears, a coherent society and culture disappears. because all you have to do is look around. I mean, where's the coherent, where's, you know, where's the coherent society? Where is the love of family and caring about where you came from when, you know, if you inherit your family land, you're willing to sell it to the highest bidder so you can go
Starting point is 08:25:57 and live in the best zip code, you know, that you're told on TV is where you want to live, then people will, you know, admire you, people just don't take into consideration. They think that what I'm saying right now is complete like socialism and leftism. They think that there's a black and a white, that there's socialism and there's capitalism and that there's absolutely no in between. Well, no, it's both of them need to be a, there's another way. there are many other ways, but you just don't understand it because this is what you've been taught and you've been taught by this group.
Starting point is 08:26:43 I mean, you know, to say that they control everything is, it's a bad argument. And it's an argument that your enemies make against you that they'll use, the Jews will use against you. They'll be like, oh, you say we control everything. control everything you don't have to control yeah yeah yeah you you don't have to control everything if you have people if if if you're overrepresented in certain places no one's saying that you know the average jew who's just going to work back and forth and is watching Seinfeld reruns at night is controlling is controlling anything they may vote poorly or
Starting point is 08:27:29 you know, whatever, but this is, if you don't understand, if you don't read like what Sambart wrote and what, and even what Marx wrote here, you don't understand what your predicament is right now and where we are and why you're fighting so hard to keep the status quo or basically you're trying to make their system better. Socialism in general, up until Marx, and even Even afterwards, socialism was a right-wing phenomenon. Capitalism was revolutionary. There was nothing. You know, if we can picture the factory in 1850 in London,
Starting point is 08:28:12 I don't think people comprehend the evil. How many kids were killed there? Because they were, you know, I trial labor and everything else. This is a cost of modernity. it was Thomas Carlyle it was the royalists the social monarchists you had national social
Starting point is 08:28:36 social nationals of all stripes going back even before the industrial revolution opposing the scientific revolution opposing the rule of money as time went on the industrial revolution at the time this was written no one could deny that the factory system
Starting point is 08:28:52 was evil no one could possibly see that system and think that this is good. And the agrarian movement, the royalists, the monastic, all of this, Russia produced so much of it. I've talked about it at great length. The Brotherhood of the Holy Cross is one of my favorites. But because of a certain level of control over academic life, well, I don't like capitalism.
Starting point is 08:29:24 Therefore, I have to become a Marxist. or maybe an anarchist because there's nothing else and that's wrong on two levels number one there are not opposites and number two I mean no one exploited
Starting point is 08:29:37 the same factory system exists in the Soviet Union with far greater levels of exploitation far greater levels you know you had no days off in the late
Starting point is 08:29:51 Leninists in the Stalinist era it was absolutely vicious and they tried to turn in the collective system in the countryside to make even the farm life of factory
Starting point is 08:30:04 that's what the collective farm was everything was to be mechanized everything was to be a big robotic machine that's not you know nothing changed in that regard
Starting point is 08:30:16 so there's certainly not opposite the other reason is that there are so many other options that you have no access to there's so many great right but Thomas Carlyle just comes to mind
Starting point is 08:30:33 because he was God I spent a lot of time talking about them but the east and the west so many great writers condemning this system Chesterton for that matter didn't Spengler
Starting point is 08:30:48 compare the city to the army barracks where you're just You just go there You live in this barracks And then you go to work And good luck Good luck getting home You're
Starting point is 08:31:03 Well yeah That was their life of the proletarian, yeah Yeah You're just as liable to die on the job As you would on the battlefield Yeah, it's called human sacrifice Yeah And that's the cost of all this
Starting point is 08:31:20 yeah and if people don't realize that that is what that marks was right and that was going to lead to what he wanted in the end well look around you just because you can still own a house and go on vacation doesn't mean we're not you know headlong heading you know going right into exactly what marks wanted because we're come you know mark said that capitalism was needed to be there, needed to exist to completely de-rassonate people from their families, from their religions, from everything. And here we are. And that, and that was, that was, you know, Marx's point.
Starting point is 08:32:04 That's why he was so in favor of free trade. And, I mean, he knew he was a Jew, of course, but he acts like he's, you know, above it all. And he, he says, you know, the Jews are absolutely necessary because, you know, and he's, Of course, he's making fun of them. He's trying to show that they're not who they say they are, obviously. But this is really, and he mentions it in a few other places, but not many. And there is simply no way to be honest and not noticed the fact that capitalism, that huge chunks of financial, even industrial capital, whatever that's left in the West, is in the hands of Jewish financiers.
Starting point is 08:32:48 You know, 2% of the population. There's no getting out of that. Here's the last sentence of my paper on this. And I say today's Jews and leftist professors in general have become intellectually soft because they never have to even answer a question as to whether or not any of this is true. Screaming anti-Semitism is an argument in and of itself. And the EU, the law is clear. One goes to prison for even.
Starting point is 08:33:18 been mentioning these issues. In the mainstream economic world, Jewish academics, and public intellectuals never have to worry about refuting these charges or anything else like this, because they never hear them. They know them only through caricature. But this means they're not only intellectually lazy, hiding behind walls of law enforcement and censorship, but they also have a very narrow view of the world around them. Then soon, they assume their ideology is incontrovertible fact, since they have access to
Starting point is 08:33:47 nothing else. Unfortunately, historical reality doesn't bend that easily. So the Jewish question, ultimately, is a Jewish role, not so much in the socialist revolution, but in the capitalist one. Judaism is not a religion. Get rid of that concept, he says. Bauer makes that huge mistake. Judaism is about the revolutionizing of the entire society. That's what free trade and capitalism is. That's why I had to talk about Sambar. And it took me a while to put the two together. Wait, this is exactly what Sambart's talking about. I'm pretty sure I'm the first one to ever bring those together in that regard. Because in the Jewish question, that's exactly what Marx is saying. They've turned the moral economy into a Jewish one. They've turned Christians
Starting point is 08:34:40 into Jews. And that's really the point. Now, of course, you know, there is nothing non-socialist about the Bolsheviks. Lenin was a Marxist. He knew Marx very well, intellectually speaking. There's no reason to believe that it wasn't real socialism. I hate that argument.
Starting point is 08:35:03 And if you ever hear it, you just say, well, this is a real capitalism then. Anyone could say that. Now, it's exactly what Marx wanted, as Bakunin said, total centralization. But to think that Marxism and postmodern capitalism are opposites is absolutely absurd. They're the same enlightenment ideology. I think the Soviets spent more time physically. punishing people while in the West, they psychologically do it. I'm not sure which is worse, although the physical part is getting worse as time goes on.
Starting point is 08:35:51 And I think the psychological part may last longer. So that's my understanding of Karl Marx's on the Jewish question, its purpose, and why I think we have to bring people like Sambart into it to explain Marx's statement that Christians have become Jews. And that's exactly what Marx means by that. All right. Well, we will be back to our regular programming in a couple of days of recording 200 years together.
Starting point is 08:36:26 But in the meantime, as I always do, go to the show notes on this and to the video of the video descriptions of 200 years together and yeah support dr johnson's work he's uh not only is this an incredible essay that he uh he shared with us today but you know the continuing 200 years together uh series is a you know it has been described to me by numerous people it is the college course that they wish they would have gotten um on history and how we got here and a you know a certain group that holds sway over power in power and wealth and influence and propaganda and everything you know
Starting point is 08:37:25 they have their their hands are in all the pies it's it's impossible to it's impossible at this point not to see it. In order to in order to not see it now, you just have to be such a good person and I'm using air quotes there that it is unseemly to mention it
Starting point is 08:37:47 or you think you're benefiting by it and you actually you actually celebrate it. And my paper, you're going to upload my paper so that anyone could just download it too, right? absolutely i will okay all right so go support dr johnson's work and we'll be back in a couple
Starting point is 08:38:09 days with uh the next episode of 200 years together see you then i want to welcome everyone back to the piccenae show dr jay is here and um we'll put put aside solcien for a day and dr johnson how did a jewish woman get elected mexican president Well, the shock is why no one's really talking about it. She isn't just a Jew, you know, with a blatantly Jewish name. You know, she comes from a communist background. And, you know, she's a feminist. Her opponent was a feminist.
Starting point is 08:38:52 Not a Jew, but she might as well have been one. How does that happen? You know, it was a bizarre situation, and I found, I think, one article. from Lou Rockwell on the topic. I think maybe one on like the American conservative. And that's about it. And I think when I did this on Radio Albi and I said, why is no one talking about her?
Starting point is 08:39:22 The question is, how does a Roman Catholic country with men in the millions known for their machismo come to elect a woman like this, where her big issues are, you know, fags and drag queens and claim that it's a fair election. How many Jews are there in Mexico? There's about 40,000. 150 million population.
Starting point is 08:39:51 I remember hearing about her for the first time, and I said, how is this even possible? And I figured, well, the fixes got to be in. And, of course, it was true. And one of the ways I knew it was the media referring to her early on as a winner. Not only that, she's going to win by a landslide. This is long before they knew anything about the election. And every newspaper article uses the word historic
Starting point is 08:40:20 and that she is the first female or first woman president and the first Jew in some combination of that. They all say the exact same thing. now being the first woman doesn't mean anything being the first Jew does mean something so in other words a huge in the landslide mind you
Starting point is 08:40:43 a huge number of Mexicans voted a Jew left us to be to be president of their country and she comes from this is she comes and she's pure-blooded
Starting point is 08:41:00 as well. And I actually, you know, I'm going to go into her family background, which is very, very depressing. Her family comes from the Communist Party, not just in Mexico, but also Cuba and the USSR. Now, the one thing interesting about the way these elections go, this happens a lot in Latin America. There's a lot of parties in Mexico. and they have a first round and then there's a runoff and, you know, but the first round, she got less than 40% of the vote, which still is massive. She was also mayor of Mexico City and in a suburb, Flaupon.
Starting point is 08:41:51 For that, she won not quite 30%. It was in 2015. It was a suburban town. The very first round for, actually, the first round for Mexico City was 15%. What am I saying? For Tlop on it, it was, it was just under 30. And, of course, won both elections massively afterwards. So it's a runoff system, given the large number of parties.
Starting point is 08:42:21 So given preferences in the system, she's about 15% 20% of the population at most but given the runoff system somehow she wins I don't think it's a system I think there's a lot more going on here remember the Biden fraud we see a lot of the same things here
Starting point is 08:42:45 but it's not nearly as blatant now I don't claim to have the expertise in Mexico like I do elsewhere but I certainly know comparative politics international relations and I certainly know fraud and deceit where I see it Now this was last year
Starting point is 08:43:04 24 The media declared her The winner long before The voting ended This is a very bad thing To do It means people aren't going to go In fact
Starting point is 08:43:15 They were talking about landslide victory Why would you vote If the media keeps saying She's going to win in the landslide If you're opposed to her The press was 100% behind her And despite the laws, which semi- forbid this, there was a massive amount of Jewish and leftist money flooded
Starting point is 08:43:36 into Mexico from abroad. And some of these articles about her, remember, it's like in 92, 93, about Hillary, Hillary Clinton, they were just, they were gushing. They were so, so absurd about her, you know, she's glowing, she's, she's this almost goddess, you know. She represents the National Regeneration Movement, Marina. And not only did she get elected president, but both houses of the legislature, they have even supermajorities. And, of course, she's trying to stifle the courts.
Starting point is 08:44:14 We'll talk about that in a little bit if we get to it. I find that interesting that she is a climate scientist. I mean, could you get any more convenient here? That guarantees her tons of NGO support. Now, the claim, the National Electoral Institute, which he's trying to get rid of now, said that she won almost 60% of the vote in runoff, which is over 30 percentage points ahead of her rival, So Cheat Galvez. I don't know how they get so cheap out of X-O-C-H-I-T-L, which is a woman's name down there. But that's how it's pronounced. I've been told. But still, even Al Jazeera said that the landslide, even though local media was claiming this, international media wasn't.
Starting point is 08:45:06 And the landslide, although they were saying it, was much larger than people had expected. Remember they were saying that Biden had the most votes of anyone in American history? Even more than Obama's second term? Same thing goes here. The largest percentage of votes of any candidate in recent history. of Mexico. She's allegedly the follower of Lopez Obrador, the former president who himself is iffy about this.
Starting point is 08:45:37 And it just doesn't make any political sense to me. She said, I will become the first woman president of Mexico, she declared. And that was before the elections and claims of a landslide. now they keep referring to this she's a first woman i don't what differences that make female leaders have not been different in a lot of ways than male leaders have being jewish that certainly does matter i guess she gets more NGO backing that way her ethnicity explains quite a bit of course they were both feminists
Starting point is 08:46:13 both of these candidates somehow somehow in mexico those those are the two choices And even beyond that, the Mexican right wing, which was very in disarray right now, started its campaign very confident in victory. But neither candidate was on the right whatsoever. So it's not just until, you know, it's deeper than just her winning the presidency. But I have a book out on Latin American dictators, so-called military dictators. during the Cold War. And there's a huge information block on the right wing, because even the church supports the left in many places down there.
Starting point is 08:47:00 And military leaders in so many Latin American countries have this been condemned without any conception of why they're there, what they were doing, and it turns out that the majority of them were very good men that the U.S. did not support. I go through a lot of them. I, of course, can't go through all of them. There are so many.
Starting point is 08:47:18 but the left has such a tight control of information coming out of Latin America. Any Spanish speaker, Portuguese-speaking country, that it's really tough to get to the heart of the matter. So one of these really bad articles I found was from Jacobin, you know, the French Revolutionary movement. Name of a magazine came out in 2024 written by Noah Manzer, romanticizing this woman beyond belief. Menzer, is that, what's that Irish? Yeah, M-A-Z-E-R, yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's him, yeah. It may be from, maybe Sikh, yeah.
Starting point is 08:48:01 From Bangladesh. Anyway, I like, you know, Jocobin and Wikipedia, these places, I go to them to see what the regime is thinking about something. The Wikipedia is very good for that. Now, the two people who matter in her family history, These are the people who founded Marxism in Latin America, or at least Mexico and Cuba. Her father and her uncle.
Starting point is 08:48:27 Sorry, her grandfather and her uncle. Shane, although this is spelled C-H-O-N-E somehow, and Solomon Scheinbaum. They were born in the Russian Empire, of course, Lithuania. They migrated to Mexico in the early 20th century. That's grandfather and great-uncle. these are communists and of course Manzer of course
Starting point is 08:48:50 romanticizes them beyond belief I couldn't even read it after a while and this gives a huge a lot of information about her background and ideology
Starting point is 08:49:00 you know they were born and raised around the time we're talking about with the Solzhenitsyn thing they left in I think it was in 1913 they left to the US
Starting point is 08:49:16 they returned to Europe a year later, they went to Poland, 1914, then again, Lithuanian, 1920. You know, going back and forth, we've talked about that when the Schultzhenitsen thing. Trotsky did it. A lot of these revolutionaries were moved from place to place, mobilizing Jewish opinion.
Starting point is 08:49:36 But given that they were of, you know, there were Jewish, you know, Jews living in Lithuania, going back to Lithuania was a problem. The Communist Party was outlawed as after the fall of, of the monarchy after the Lithuanian Soviet war. There was a very short-lived Lithuanian People's Republic. And the leadership, there's a bunch of Jews in it, but the entire leadership, but the Jewish or not, were from the land, they were either landowners or very powerful merchants.
Starting point is 08:50:07 The upper crust of the society. So they trying to get to the United States. again and apparently their way was blocked or so mansor tells us they wound up they wound up in in in cuba well let me say can i ask a question here okay so my my great my great grandparents on my mom's side where my grandmother came here um from um the galicia area in like 1910 and 1911 respectively they never went back they couldn't afford to go back if they wanted to they didn't send money back they couldn't afford to send money back if they wanted to how the hell are these people going from from
Starting point is 08:51:01 russia to new york to lithuania to cuba eventually to mexico how the hell and and these aren't huge names in like the communist movement these are just probably foot soldiers how the hell are they doing this? Yeah, they were not from a poor family to begin with. They're obviously not an oppressed minority, as they'd love for you to believe. Jocobin likes you to believe that, but doesn't explain where the money came from. And at some point, one of them becomes a jewelry merchant. Like, you can't just become a jewelry merchant. He doesn't ask where this money comes from. Trotsky went wherever he wanted, but all these Jews go back and forth because they're mobilizing people. They're bringing money back. They're bringing
Starting point is 08:51:47 men back. Trotsky was known for that. So the Scheimbram brothers landed in Cuba instead of the U.N. And helped form the Communist Party of Cuba immediately. I don't know how. They didn't even speak
Starting point is 08:52:05 Spanish. It's like there's chunks missing here that these guys can do this. The party even had a Jewish section. Brand new party in Cuba in 1914, or 1917, with a Jewish section. They didn't know Spanish, but somehow Jews had a strong presence in the PC, the Communist Party of Cuba.
Starting point is 08:52:33 Four of the parties, 13 members, founding members were Jewish. I think it's more than that. There were a few Chinese there, too, somehow. There was a large Chinese presence in Cuba. But why would the party have a Jewish section at all. Now, the party was outlawed in Cuba under Gerardo Machado. Military government made necessary by Jewish revolutionary violence, including two
Starting point is 08:52:57 attempts to assassinate him. They act like these people just took over because they love power. He was a liberal at one time, Machado was. But he moved to the right once the communist was, you know, trying to kill him. The left became more brazenly violent. Their aliases were. were, and they stuck with them. And it kind of makes me laugh.
Starting point is 08:53:18 Shane became Arturo Ramirez, and Solomon took the name Garcia Blanco. And eventually, Machado had them deported to Mexico. Did the same thing in Mexico. They land there, joined the fairly new Mexican Communist Party. I've been outlawed at the time for terrorism, but its leadership wasn't Mexican. There was an Indian guy,
Starting point is 08:53:43 Manabendra, Roy, Indian leftist, Japanese journalist Katayama, San Katayama, and an American, who was a newspaper editor, which I mentioned, Bertram Wolf, also Jewish. Bertram Wolf is interesting because he became a supporter of Trotsky and is one of the founders of the neo-conservative movement. And I say that because, and his intellectual trajectory is precisely where the neocons came from. Once he perceived the solemnness completely taking over, once Trotsky was axed, he became so anti-Soviet that he became an anti-communist altogether. In fact, there were so many emigres from Cuba that they had their own organization in Mexico. Again, there's all these missing pieces. The brothers became members of the Central Committee in the Mexico City branch. Solomon became the head of the party finances
Starting point is 08:54:43 Somehow And then it's Propaganda section He was editor of El Soviet The party newspaper I love this You just put Elle in front of something And it's in Spanish
Starting point is 08:54:56 And apparently there was a Even though there was a tiny handful of Jews in Mexico They were one of the most politically dominant elements of the country at the time. A leftist, of course. The rise of Mexico's Jewish left, Manzer says, like this is a normal thing to talk about.
Starting point is 08:55:17 The party was the Jewish left. And they, you know, the ridiculousness, they created the radical workers center to organize Jewish workers. Jewish workers in Mexico as if there were any such a thing. Now, the radical workers' center was
Starting point is 08:55:37 another one. There were no Jewish workers. There was no Jewish proletariat. There was a bunch of a proletariat in Mexico at all. And the exact same behavior occurred in Mexico as it had in Cuba. Emilio Gil, as he was leaving office, they tried to kill him a few times, broke off relations with the Soviet Union. He arrested the leaders of the Communist Party in Mexico. It was rioting that paralyzed parts of the capital, such as to the university. The left tried to
Starting point is 08:56:07 kill him on the inauguration day of the new president, Pascal Rubio. So, all the foreign communists, the Italian Tina Modati, Yuri Rossovsky, of course, a Jew from Ukraine, and Mexican ones were were imprisoned. But Shane, though, somehow passed himself off as a Mexican. Solomon didn't. I'm not sure how that happened. Shane may have looked less Jewish than Solomon. but Shane
Starting point is 08:56:41 rejoined the Central Committee of the party's Mexico City unit he eventually became leader of the party in the 7th Congress in 1939 and then of course under the president of Lazaro Cardenas who was a leftist but not a communist he allowed the party to be legalized but they were not part of his
Starting point is 08:57:03 coalition Leon Trotsky was still alive and apparently there was a huge amount of debate as to what to do with this guy here. There was a great interest in Latin America in the Communist International. But even the left
Starting point is 08:57:21 forbade immigration by Africans, non-Japanese Asians, Soviet citizens, gypsies, and Jews under Cardinah. So even the left had enough of this. But under Stalinism, you know, these two brothers
Starting point is 08:57:37 grandparents of well uncle and great grandfather of the current Mexican president they kind of went with the flow whoever was dominant they went with they were not theoreticians they needed to unify the party
Starting point is 08:57:56 under Stalinism they even formed a purging commission Trotsky condemned them he said that they were running a show trial on Moscow's behalf that was in March 1939 Trotsky was axed in November Eventually they even turned their guns on shame
Starting point is 08:58:15 Solomon was released from prison Went to the Soviet Union, no problem Join the Communist Party And because he was in Latin America for so long He was part of the Common Turn's executive committee there He was expelled from the party again in 1936 So both brothers have been purged in two different places That's when Shane, after his expulsion, moved to Ulyssgo and became a jewelry merchant.
Starting point is 08:58:43 Somehow the cash was there. But, you know, most of these communist leaders were very wealthy men, even if they weren't wealthy before. So then, and I said they just went with whoever was in power. Shane wrote a very sniveling confession in 1954. And I had to do that. Please don't kill me. I'm wrong. I did everything wrong.
Starting point is 08:59:06 I'm so sorry, please. And they accepted him in 1954. But then Manzer is very sad because, let me quote him directly, the Jewish left in Mexico was experiencing a steep decline. Communists and Bundists fought bitterly throughout the 1940s, their movements weakening in Zionism becoming the community's dominant expression of ethnic activism by the 1950s. The fact that Claudia Scheinbaum today appears to be neutral on Zionism
Starting point is 08:59:32 might come from this, but this is uncertain. Now, Shane didn't die until 1989. The party eventually dissolved. It became the Party of the Democratic Revolution in 1987. His granddaughter Claudia, who was well aware of all of this, was married to one of the founders of the Party of the Democratic Revolution. So she clearly is in line here. And like Marxism itself was financed by the wealthy, the big banks.
Starting point is 09:00:00 and the Mexican Party as well as a Cuban party to a great extent was founded and dominated by foreigners Jews among others Now as far as Claudia's concerned She was well aware of this She's proud of this background Which is why this article came out in the first place She became a climate scientist
Starting point is 09:00:19 In other words She And this wasn't her initial Academic purpose It happened quite suddenly She went to California for this and climate change apparently is her but that's going to be the mechanism by which
Starting point is 09:00:36 what's left of Western civilization can be brought under control now something else happened though and it was not it was a few years ago the Colombian president this was at a climate change conference at the University of Mexico said that
Starting point is 09:00:56 Claudia was a militant in an activist of Colombian guerrilla MS-19. Now, she didn't deny it. She didn't sue him for slander or anything. That was the April 19 movement there. And this would make sense because this would follow her family trajectory. So I don't know how could she be doing that and getting a doctorate degree in Berkeley at the same time. But that's, you know, that was the claim.
Starting point is 09:01:27 And it's probably true. She wasn't just an intellectual, you know. MS-19 started from 1974 and allegedly ended in 1994. And that was not just in Columbia, but throughout Latin America. I think her connections there, as well as in the cartels, helped get her the presidency in 2024. So that leads up to our situation. It was a very bizarre situation. June 2024, two leftist women.
Starting point is 09:02:00 That was a choice Mexico had. Neither one representing Mexico in the slightest and all receiving foreign money. It's funny because Shinebaum actually tried to pass herself off as somewhat of a conservative, roughly until 2021. And then when she got more and more political, she became a socialist, meaning she was just lying before. And so Cheat Gauvez, her opponent, was edging. educated at the world's economic form. In fact, they both were. They both were part of the Davos system.
Starting point is 09:02:33 And it's hard to find, and so cheat, it's hard to find a lot of solid background information on her, despite her very unique name. But they came out of nowhere. They were heavily scarred by scandal. There was all kinds of ethics violations. But people like, you know, and the handful of people who write on this, simply ask the question. 90% Catholic, Mexico, what are the odds that either of these socially liberal, secular candidates have garnered votes huge enough to not only become candidates, but the muscle everybody out, and one of them won in a landslide. And I guess, and Lou Rockwell, I agree with him here in my book on Military Dictories of Latin America, I used the word. a banana republic, sort of as an insult.
Starting point is 09:03:31 But a banana republic refers to a weak democracy that simply does what they're told, dominated by foreign capital, usually American capital, and it's simply not strong enough to really fight back. Banana republics, usually when they fall apart, is when they're when militaries take over.
Starting point is 09:03:53 And their only job is to export were raw materials. So they're always going to be in debt. And of course, drugs. So it didn't really matter which woman won. But the sign bomb thing just made it all the more blatant. She's clearly backed by at least one of the cartels. And in 20, just one year before the election, 2023, Supreme Court out of nowhere legalized abortion at the federal level. The states had decided these things. It's quite an unpopular. thing. Same thing for the for fag marriage. Fagg marriage. But the point is these are two jet setters. At least Seimbaum with these communist background. Seimaud was in California or Columbia most of the time in the 90s. She's in her 60s now, I think. And she get her, I think she got her doctorate at Berkeley. She finished it. Then she got a job at the intergovernmental panel and climate change at the UN
Starting point is 09:04:56 and when you see these color revolutionary types even though this wasn't really a color revolution they go from elitist job to elitist job without a problem worldwide
Starting point is 09:05:07 they get whatever they want this is the both coming from Davos they have all the connections in the world but the last thing she knows about is Mexico she served as
Starting point is 09:05:16 Secretary of the Environment in 2015 and then out of nowhere she was nominated to run from Mexico City from the Marina Party As I mentioned, she received very low percentage of the vote and has many controversies.
Starting point is 09:05:31 A lot of ethical problems there and a lot of electoral irregularities. So how would have this name could she ever have been elected in Mexico City, maybe, but across the country in a landslide. That electoral interference is impossible. The Open Society Foundation has a huge office in the city, which she was a part of, as does Davos. Now, there's more technical elements of voter fraud. There was one study that I quote, and it was only taken from one polling place, section 4279, bidding to Juarez, just that one section that votes for Sochit were given to Shinebaum.
Starting point is 09:06:21 and for that they use a preliminary election results program and what they do is when the voting is finished and accounting is done they put a poster out front so people can see it and the PREP data and the poster data are very different and so the fraud someone moved numbers there This is And the electoral commission I was upset about this
Starting point is 09:06:55 Although they They eventually came to Claim she was a legitimate winner But both her and her predecessor Want to not eliminate the electoral commission But weaken it They're trying to make They're trying to disallow the electoral commission
Starting point is 09:07:13 To have much power to look over these things Oh and don't forget So cheat was the mayor of Mexico City before Scheinbaum. She was a senator, too. She was recognized for her leadership by the World Economic Forum. She was invited by Brazil's Lula, the leftist, you know, to participate in globalization summit of Davos. That means her job, and both of them did, of course, that they're going to impose a great reset onto Mexico.
Starting point is 09:07:45 And we're supposed to believe that they were the only two electable candidates. So Devos and Black Rock are moving in Neither one has any real international experience They really don't have any political experience Except for this army There are 200 NGOs functioning in Mexico So someone has to guide whoever won You know, associate or signball
Starting point is 09:08:07 And the irregularities within the two-party nominations That was far more severe But it was NGO money that permitted Shinebomb to get that. There's no one really in Marina thought she was all that electable and the national level, but they exist because of NGO funding. Now, under Mexican law, a foreign government can't make donations to a political group. Sovereignty issues, of course.
Starting point is 09:08:39 But an NGO, by definition, that's what an NGO is, non-governmental organizations. They're corporate entities. At one point, President Obador complained to, at that time, VP Kamala, that USAID has to suspend funding to Mexico because they're interfering too much in elections. Open government partnership in 2011, they had a global southern Mexico in 2015, and that was the same, almost a coup, a group that put her, that put Sochi in Mexico City, and then, of course, just, Seinfeldon a little bit later. The partnership is funded by the UN, Open Society, Seulet Foundation, and the British government. And I say that they're going to make Mexico just a raw materials exporter
Starting point is 09:09:35 is that their agenda is to implement the sustainable goals as set forth by the W.E.F., the World Economic Forum, which is who trained them and who had them elected. So she was a pre-selected winner. Remember her first husband, Scheimbaugh's first husband, went to jail for electoral fraud. Claudia's entire platform was abortion, faggotry, you know, all that. She pressured the university, a big university to give her daughter a free ride.
Starting point is 09:10:09 And, of course, it may not, you know, again, I mentioned turnout was very low. Now, the other big issue. this was the most violent election in recent Mexican history especially at the local level especially down south threats abductions assault assassinations Mexico was a violent place so during the 2021 elections
Starting point is 09:10:36 102 politicians were killed doesn't necessarily people who are holding office or running for office but people who are you know big bigwigs and parties and all this 36 were nominees or candidates for a public office so before the campaigning period started
Starting point is 09:10:55 in January that number shot up so the government tried to they provided security guards to 560 candidates and also 27,000 armed forces and national guard personnel were deployed to secure the electoral process by May
Starting point is 09:11:14 just one month before the election, the death toll went up to 37. That's actual candidates running for office. And it will increase after that. And not just politicians. Now, so from 2018 to March of 2024, people running for office. The number of murders and attacks is 1,709. And very few of these are ever prosecuted.
Starting point is 09:11:42 now here's what Breitbart had to say about it and again this is one of the few Breitbart didn't really challenge the election but they did say that by the time this was published 26 candidates have been killed throughout the electoral process culminating with the elections according to Mexican government now that's a low number because there's a local consulting agency Integralia who said it was 34 candidates for office murdered before the election took place but 231 were murdered when factoring in officials, former officials, politicians, former politicians, family members, etc. And that's probably a low number.
Starting point is 09:12:25 So what does that mean? First, it keeps turnout very low. It creates a sense of instability. It gives a sense that the government can't protect them, which it can't. Who wants to volunteer as a poll watcher? a lot of these acts of violence in this past election as well as in decades ago they destroyed voting machines especially in the southern states Mexico has lost all control of its territory so the only people who can possibly benefit from this violence are those who are beneficial to the cartels including the current president and all these are the threats these are very underreported so it didn't matter if there were 27,000
Starting point is 09:13:09 men, it didn't stop any of it. There's a tremendous psychological pressure exerted on candidates far greater than what the data showed. The left is the primary beneficiary of this. Although, to be fair, there were a couple of moraine candidates who were killed, but overwhelmingly, it was their opposition. So that creates a totally different story. I'm not sure you can have an election when you have a slaughter of, of, of, of, you know, candidates and politicians, and they're timed, connected with elections.
Starting point is 09:13:47 I didn't even realize that until fairly recently. I knew it was violent, but I did something on, I did a show not too long ago on why the Mexican army has lost the fight against the cartels. But at this level, these assassinations, not just, you know, a lot of abductions, kidnapped. You know, that kind of thing. Apparently, Scheinbaum had a lot of protection. She's connected with a Jewish real estate tycoon, Daniel Khabas, close ally who financer. Now, I should note, and a lot of people noticed this at the time when she was in Mexico City. This was a huge scandal.
Starting point is 09:14:35 She hired a crew to demolish a bill. building. I don't know why, but it just so happens that it was a wall next to a church and accidentally destroyed the church. The parish priest said that he wasn't even given notification of the demolition. I think it was a test seeing how far she can go. And that was elected to landslide? This doesn't make any sense to me. she of course is a you know being part of the party of the democratic revolution which was part of the communist party that her family founded touted by the wilson center politico bloomberg now I think the election of trump was was bad for her but when you have the former I just wonder how close she was to the former president
Starting point is 09:15:33 who was a leftist but not like her he wants the NGOs to be tightly limited but Putin is done in Russia there's two in particular Mexicans against corruption and impunity in a group called Article 19 they're on a MacArthur Foundation
Starting point is 09:15:56 Bill Gates, NED, USAID and they made sure that only left as females vetted by Davos would be selected as candidates his position has always been you know very strange he's not quite like he's on a communist as I said before he and his and and
Starting point is 09:16:19 shine bomb want to destroy the National Electoral Institute in other words they want to make sure that they stay in power they could stuff ballot boxes and have no one looking over their shoulder well Mexico is really the best place to do that I mean, it's a narco state. It's pretty well known that she, either she is, has a lot of influence over the cartels or the cartels own her.
Starting point is 09:16:48 I would think it's probably the second one or a combination of both. The murder rate in Mexico City went down incredibly, mostly because one, when the cartels killed people, they would get rid of the bodies instead of leaving them. And two, they just stopped recording the crime. And apparently that was from the cartels were basically running that. So I think the reason she is there is to keep the narco state going. And pretty much that's it. Yeah, when the minute she was elected and I have to go around here. Sorry.
Starting point is 09:17:29 Because of the super majorities. No, no. You got me thinking now. She clearly is in the cartel's pocket because, you know, especially once Trump was elected. She wants changes to the country's constitution that will block any investigation or any action by a foreign that is American law enforcement agency. And anyone who assists them in Mexico would be criminally liable. Now, that was right after this is, you know, And it came a little bit later, but when Trump designated the six cartels as foreign terrorist organizations, which of course they are, not entirely so, but they are, and wanted to eradicate them.
Starting point is 09:18:17 All of a sudden, Scheinbaum is outraged. And she justified this in public. She suddenly is a nationalist now. We don't negotiate sovereignty, she said. We don't want the U.S. to invade our sovereignty. Over and over again. And her critics, I wish now there are many, are claiming she is shielding the cartels.
Starting point is 09:18:47 That would be Article 40, adding wording to the Mexican Constitution, that there will be no interference, intervention, or any other foreign act. That would, quote, damage the nation's sovereignty, which says any prosecution of alleged criminals in our country, country, Mexico, the express authorization and collaboration of the Mexican state. That was right after Trump said what he said. Which is no, obviously not a, not a coincidence. Now, you talked about the cartels.
Starting point is 09:19:28 On April 21st, it was a Sunday, Claudia Seinbaum in her motorcade was stopped by men in hoods at a checkpoint during her campaign tour in Chiapas. And this is one of the southern states, extremely violent. They belonged to the Sinaloa cartel because they had patches and tattoos and stuff that clearly pointed to that. One even had an image of Ismail Zambata, the head of it. and it was filmed and recorded. They asked her to remember them if you were elected into office. They knew.
Starting point is 09:20:07 And the audio goes, I'm reading it directly here. It says, we just want to tell you to remember the mountains down here and the poor people when you're in power. We're not against the government. Keep that in mind. We're not against you. You don't want any more problems. We want you. And your president, do us a favor of cleaning up down here because we can't travel down here.
Starting point is 09:20:27 because we can't travel down here. And what, of course, they meant was getting rid of the military. They tear us to little pieces if we passed through a certain section. Now, she remained in the vehicle throughout the entire thing. She made eye contact. She just nodded along with these guys. And her critics went nuts. How did these guys get so close to the motorcade?
Starting point is 09:20:54 Why was nothing done as they were speaking to her? This was a conversation. it was very obvious who they were. They were in a very violent place. I don't know if Chepas has, Chippas has the highest rate. I'm not sure 100%, but they didn't mention it in breaking bad, so I don't know. So clearly, the fact that they could do this, they could speak to her. They're requesting to get rid of law enforcement, that she wants this in the Constitution now.
Starting point is 09:21:27 And on top of all that, the extreme violence throughout the campaign. You had a mayoral candidate shot in the middle of a campaign rally. Right in the back of the head, a point blank range. It was Alfredo Cabrera and Guerrero. Again, another southern state. Nothing ever came of it. No one was ever arrested. Most of the murdered down there.
Starting point is 09:21:53 And the number is far higher than reported. they were usually running for town councils or mayor. They're easier to assassinate a course. They don't have security around them. And they're important for the cartels, taking advantage of small towns rather than cities. So clearly there's a connection here. You can't convince me otherwise.
Starting point is 09:22:19 Now, because they were both candidates trained at Davos, she's a climate scientist which I just can't get enough you know it's so bizarre of all things it's the most trendiest thing you could possibly be
Starting point is 09:22:33 and suddenly very suddenly she decides to do this she wants to turn Mexico into a green society of windmills and solar panels and if you know anything about that
Starting point is 09:22:43 they could never provide the energy needed for a country as large as Mexico there's massive blackouts all over the country sometimes for weeks, a putrid water, the dirt roads. That's not important to her.
Starting point is 09:22:58 No one voted for her unless they were lied to or told to. Media was talking about her being a feminist in a mostly macho country. Well, that means that they didn't vote for her. And isn't it the case that Mexico's female voters tend to be more Catholic than the men? So who is she appealing to exactly? cartels are in alignment with the NGOs. And as I mentioned before, you had 100 million eligible voters in Mexico. The previous election had a turnout of 63%.
Starting point is 09:23:35 In her election, it was 60%. So very low. No, I don't know if that's out of fear or what, just because no one represented them. now the opposition parties which apparently were nowhere to be found the national action party the institutional revolutionary party citizens movement all of these 240 challenges against the election results
Starting point is 09:24:01 they allege widespread fraud very much as Trump did not just for president also for the legislative elections they exceeded campaign spending limits they have evidence of vote buying, voter intimidation, most certainly, and irregularities that we've mentioned already. So it's not just a matter of recounting the votes, it's the system itself. So this is why both the previous president and her want to destroy the electoral commission.
Starting point is 09:24:37 Now, I want to give you a quote from, so cheap, who really is a weirdo. You know, it's trained by Davos, but it's all over the place, depending on who she's talking to. She condemns the results of the elections, not just because she lost. This is a tweet from her. I know the results surprise us, and we have to analyze what happened. Well, how could they be surprising if the polls showed her, you know, as everyone said, polls showed her winning a landslide election. then she said we all knew we were facing an unequal competition against the entire state apparatus
Starting point is 09:25:14 dedicated to its favorite candidate we all noticed how much organized crime was present threatening and killing dozens of candidates it doesn't end here yes we'll present challenges that prove what i'm saying and what we all know to be true and we'll do it because we can't allow another election like this ever today more than ever we have to defend our republic checks and balances the separation of powers remain at risk now it's a strange way to speak it's
Starting point is 09:25:47 she's being very careful not to mention any names or any groups she's very vague but she keeps saying that you guys know what I'm talking about it's very guarded and the fact that she mentions organized crime this is something that we know and that was supporting her. We know the U.S. supports Sinaloa.
Starting point is 09:26:13 There's no question about that. The Sinaloa cartel probably the largest, I think, in Mexico, backed by the U.S. They come in through Arizona, New Mexico, Laredo, Texas. And one of their source points is the Philippines,
Starting point is 09:26:34 which is why I have very very interested, you know, years ago in Duterte's presidency there. I was a big fan of his. Wherever a government like his smashes the drug trade and he was very successful, the U.S. condemns it. Same thing for El Salvador. He has smashed the gangs. The U.S. wants him sanctioned, at least under Biden, wants him sanctioned and destroyed. The Philippines, of course, you know, has been under CIA control since the 40s. And Manila is really its Southeast Asia headquarters. So there's a connection between, you know, Southeast Asia and Mexico.
Starting point is 09:27:24 And showing this, as if things couldn't get any worse. The Marana Party, and they're supposed to. to be they want austerity. They want the IMF to come in and, you know, balance the budget and cut everything. And yet, their leadership, like Ricardo Monreal, who was a coordinator of the deputies, the chamber of deputies. He was in Madrid, five-star hotel. Mario Delgado, Secretary of Public Education. the most exclusive hotel in Lisbon, in Portugal. Five-star, no doubt.
Starting point is 09:28:07 Enrique Navarro, the youngest deputy in Mexican history, was in Leo, the very high-end nightclub at Ibiza. Very expensive, and the hotel connected to it is very expensive. Arena's Secretary of Organization was at the Hotel Akura in Tokyo, five-star property, a whole bunch of congressmen there with him. they showed him with a bottle of champagne that was 2,000 euros and it was a place called Conce d'Alsogno later on a place only accessible by sea
Starting point is 09:28:44 and yet Seinbaum who now is bizarrely very wealthy I don't know where the money came from she demands austerity it will be imposed on the country through the IMM and it doesn't even matter that these displays of arrogance and opulence undermine the party's image.
Starting point is 09:29:04 It doesn't matter. But it also shows money from the outside sources like cartels. They don't deny it happen, but they say that, well, they were privately funded. In other words, they're trying to deflect saying, well, the state didn't pay for it, but that's exactly the problem. No one was never saying it was because government funds. Who did pay for it? And how did you get so wealthy all of a sudden?
Starting point is 09:29:28 So the party has been exposed as a fake. Like the Sandinises, when they took power, first thing they did is move into the mansions in the wealthiest areas of the capital. All these people, in the left, they demand austerity for everyone else. When the left takes over, they live the high life. But I think when she was stopped by these men down in Chiapas,
Starting point is 09:29:58 I think that showed something. She doesn't seem to be scared. I saw a part of the video on Rumble. I didn't see it on YouTube. I don't remember now. And it was only, they didn't have a translation. But what shocked me, I'm watching this. Why is she has a substantial security force?
Starting point is 09:30:24 These are cartel guys. why they're not doing anything they're like walked up to the to the truck so you have people in her own party now all over the place saying she's a cartel president and you know is she a puppet of the cartels
Starting point is 09:30:41 you have the Colombian president saying that she was yeah of course she was she was part of the narco-revolutionary movement down here that's why I spent so much time talking about her family wealthy communists like the rest of them. You know, the agenda is the same, and the Jews are at the center of it,
Starting point is 09:31:01 even in a place like early 20th century Cuba. My Lord. And this is what gets elected by a massive landslide? I don't need the technicalities of vote fraud. There's no way that could happen. Of course there's vote fraud. You know, there's no way this could, you know, you would have to, I don't know how this could possibly be.
Starting point is 09:31:25 And I don't know why no one's talking about it. I see the name Shinebaum, Mexican president. I start laughing. Well, that's a Mexican name. They're voting for someone with the most blatantly non-Mexican name. No problem. How can that possibly be as the country gets poorer and poorer? The only thing is, you know, Trump's election was a disaster for her.
Starting point is 09:31:50 And that's why these new constitutional changes, we're not going to cooperate. in the Constitution. We're not going to cooperate with any American law enforcement acts against the cartels in this country. Well, we know
Starting point is 09:32:02 what the Hooded men said. Don't forget us down here. And I guess she didn't. So that means you have the alliance of at least, you know, back then, this is June of 24, that administration.
Starting point is 09:32:19 The NGOs, pretty much all of them. Davos, the cartels. and the media all working together to make sure that she is worshipped as a deity and she gets elected.
Starting point is 09:32:33 Clearly it was a coalition. And parties like the National Action Party were nowhere to be found. But filing 240 challenges, they can't do that without reason.
Starting point is 09:32:51 They don't want to make fools of themselves. It's not making making stuff up. Now, I don't speak Spanish. I haven't read the, um, the, um,
Starting point is 09:33:00 their initial filings. All I know is that they allege widespread fraud at all levels. And that this is connected with the extreme violence. Violence is one of the ways that they stuff ballot boxes. They keep people from voting.
Starting point is 09:33:17 They know exactly what they're doing. And it benefits, Morina. It benefits, um, signbaum and her. That's, that's how she got the,
Starting point is 09:33:23 the numbers that she had. And I think I'm just crashing the surface here. I'm not an expert in Mexican politics by any means. But we have some people, I'm pretty sure, who might be, who could really take this intro and expand it. I think there's a lot more going in here than we realize. The low turnout is only a part of it. And the fact that no one is talking about her,
Starting point is 09:33:52 that Shinebaum becomes president of Mexico. go and I'm all my all my right wing bookmarks I'm looking for who down it's me and Lou Rockwell isn't it weird that why is no one talking about her it's hard to get information you know if her background was if her you know one side of the family was like diamond merchants or something like that you know that sent money to pala you know they sent money to Palestine to get the new Jewish state up and running sure The fact that she just comes from revolutionaries is just like, you know, Chef's Kiss. It's so perfect.
Starting point is 09:34:30 It's like you couldn't, if you wrote this, people would say it was anti-Semitic. Yeah, I think I mentioned, when I first mentioned this issue to you, I said, it sounds like I wrote it. Like I'm writing, it's my first attempt to, at fiction. It's something like they get a new protocol. It's so low, you know, it's so, yeah, there are a lot of people who don't like the term below IQ. anti-semitism anymore but come on it is it's just it's like this kind of fiction where you know at the at the end someone rips a wig off and there's horns yeah i mean it's but yeah i mean these ties her going to um her being a climate scientist all of this i mean
Starting point is 09:35:13 it's just yeah and none of this would be concerning if it wasn't on our southern border if we didn't have a yeah yeah if we didn't have a narco-science state on our southern border that that is now being run by somebody who is obviously in the if not in the employ but you know of the same ilk as the sorroses and the w efs of the world i mean it's just right it's like you said we couldn't julius you know julius striker couldn't have come up with this yeah it's so blatant you know her family founded the the communist parties of two of Mexico and Cuba, or at least we're right there when it was founded. And she comes from this long line.
Starting point is 09:36:02 And the Colombian president's comment was never refuted by anybody. She was a part of this, too. And not just as a politician or intellectual. She was part of the MS-19, very different organization down there. So, and he said this at. a climate change conference right after she spoke. She said, oh, by the way, people, I have some news for you. So, and, and how much did you really get her doctorate in climate science?
Starting point is 09:36:34 I don't know. I don't know if climate science is an actual thing. I don't know what that would actually be called, academically speaking. Did you really do it? Is they saying she did it? So what they're saying, what it says on Wikipedia, if you want to believe anything on Wikipedia, she earned an undergraduate degree in physics at the UNAM, that's the United, and what is that the, um, uh, looking for her education,
Starting point is 09:37:06 National Autonomous University or something, yeah, National Autonomous University or something like that. And then it says she completed the work for a PhD thesis between 91 and 94 at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in California, while working for, for the laboratory, she analyzed energy for use in the Mexican transportation sector and published studies on the trends in Mexican building energy. So she came to the United States, worked at a national laboratory in California so she could analyze energy use in the Mexican transportation sector. I assume she's using the resources of taxpayers to do this so that she can go back and
Starting point is 09:37:50 what make Mexico their energy, their transportation sector more streamlined or better. Yeah, I mean, that's pretty much exactly what it is. In other words, non-existent into the point where,
Starting point is 09:38:07 yeah, and of course, Mexico runs by its oil industry. She has to be at war with them. And being a climate scientist, by definition, she's a huge part of the global warming thing. and now she was promoted in that by the DeVos group Black Rock was already investing down there. But again, you know, I don't care if they coat the place with panels. You can't, that won't create enough energy to, you know, for industry, maybe a small percentage of it. That's good for small applications, but it's simply not possible.
Starting point is 09:38:45 So it's, and the sustainability goals that she's personally dedicated. to essentially reduce Mexico to just as a raw materials exporter. So fourth world, it doesn't have to be that way. And they're all coming in the NAFTA. Very quickly what South Africa is turning into because it's always been a raw material, you know, a raw metals kind of place, precious metals. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 09:39:13 Yeah, it didn't, you know, but at one time, it was industrial. But once another group of people took over in the 90s, early 90s. Now that's all they do. And they don't even do that well. Well, but what is it? They say that there is no black sub-Saharan nation in Africa that has a word for maintenance in their language. I think that's actually true.
Starting point is 09:39:40 So there's this guy, Mr. Beast, who goes and he raises all this money to go and build wells in Africa. And within a year and a half, two years, the wells don't work anymore because they leave there. And when the white people leave, there's no word for maintenance. They don't know what maintenance is. Yeah. Yeah, this was a problem also with Shell. Now, I'm no fan of the oil firms for a whole bunch of reasons, but Shell invested massively in Nigeria. Nigeria is swimming in oil.
Starting point is 09:40:10 Why are they dirt poor? And the violence and the total lack of personnel, it wasn't, it wasn't profitable for them. They left. It didn't make any difference. You know, there could be another, you know, you can't really compare them to Saudi Arabia. There's a hell of a lot more people there. But all the warfare and the ignorance, low IQ, what are you going to do? They, you know, Shell couldn't control the, they needed some local input.
Starting point is 09:40:37 And so they pulled out. And now the equipment has fallen apart and is flooding the area. And now, and this was a few years ago, Nigeria wants to sue. sell in a British court. This is their fault. Like they want to destroy their own investments and make no money. I'm not up on that. I don't know what came of that.
Starting point is 09:40:58 But yeah, same thing. Why isn't Nigeria a much wealthier place? And with all of that, and not just oil too, they have many minerals, they have gold, huge, you know, a huge river. There's so much. that they could, but not the tribal warfare,
Starting point is 09:41:22 the corruption, and when Shell says, okay, we can't do it anymore, we're leaving, and they dump everything, that's a pretty serious thing. The Beyond Friends has something to do with that, too, I know. That's how I found out about it in the first place.
Starting point is 09:41:39 So, and it's the same kind of thing. And this is what, you know, and she's turning Mexico, again, again, what does also has a lot of oil, which she can't possibly be in favor of, into what will be a fourth world,
Starting point is 09:41:55 one-party state, controlled by Marina. Even she has a Supreme Court, because she has these alleged supermajorities in both houses. The Supreme Court, she says, she's going to make sure the Supreme Court can't challenge any of these. The court can't challenge, any amendments that they promote for the Constitution or any law of hers.
Starting point is 09:42:23 Kind of like Netanyahu did in Israel prior to the war. And that's being talked about much less than things like the violence or anything else. So she really wants to create what Jolensky did in Ukraine slowly but surely. And then you have even leftist NGOs saying that this is outrageous. So, you can't do this.
Starting point is 09:42:51 You can't do it so blatantly. And yet the media is so tight, you know, so tight up there. We're getting no alternative information. The right wing either doesn't exist or they're so divided. They can't do anything. We have two leftist candidates. And whether it be Spanish or English language media, all saying the same thing. She's a woman.
Starting point is 09:43:12 She's a Jew. Everything could be wonderful in Mexico. That's a perfect thing to end on, because I know you have personal stuff to do it at 18. Just a perfect sentence to end on. All right. Let me remind everybody, I'm going to put in the show notes, just like I knew at the end of all the 200 years, the other episodes, links to Dr. Johnson's where you can donate to him, the Patreon, and there's a bunch of other places, one-offs and places like that. So please go donate to Dr. Johnson. And we'll be back in a couple days with the next 200 years together episode.
Starting point is 09:43:51 Thank you, Dr. Thank you, my friend. Yes, thank you. Thank you, then.

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