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welcome
everyone
back to
the Pekignano show. I'm back here with Thomas. It's been a little while. How are you doing?
I'm right. I was quite ill for a spell that owes to my absence owes to that as well as, you know,
my not dropping content, a particularly timely manner. But I think I'm out of the woods, okay?
I mean, I got to be. I'm going to the meter conference this weekend, but I appreciate you hosting me,
as always.
What I want to get into today, and of course,
you're the boss of this program.
I want to discuss
how there's a nascent
sort of revisionist
there's a nascent tolerance for a revisionist
scholarship about Adolf Hitler, okay,
that I think is undeniable.
I'm talking about, you know, in
corridors
where that was not tolerated.
whatsoever, you know, even a decade or a decade and a half ago. And it's very interesting. It owes to a lot of factors.
That owes to the Second World War truly fading from living memory. You know, it owes to the kind of
democratization of university resources. It owes to, you know, the complete and total absence of a bully pulpit
to that academe in, you know, in conjunction with media used to enjoy and, you know,
facilitated a really kind of complete and total capability to dominate the conceptual
landscape, you know, not just enforce, you know, strictures on what's considered to be an
acceptable opinion, but quite literally control the conceptual narrative. You know, I mean,
people find that hard to believe now that that could be done. But I mean, think free internet.
Think when any media you can assume it's truly passive. You know, you don't select the programming.
And your access to data really is limited to what you can find at your local library, you know, or library system.
But it's interesting because I would have thought it would be the opposite within the bounded rationale of revisionist enterprise.
a soft version of
enterprise relating to the Third Reich.
I would have thought that the Nazi party
would have been somehow rehabilitated
in terms of oh, these were just ignorant people
or some such thing.
But, you know, Hitler was this sort of
evil Svengali type
who swept them up
in this, you know,
sort of miasma of evil and madness.
It's really kind of the opposite.
You know, a lot of these treatments
have a very, very punitive
view of the party and of its loyalists
and they're certainly not friendly to Adolf Hitler but they
normalize him in within the context of
historicist discussion of
of his life and times and
and career as a war as a politician and as a warlord
um
most recently
2019 this book
Hitler at global biography
by Brendan Sims.
This is an important book.
And specifically, it dovetails with something I've written about rather extensively.
That is, it's my belief that Adolf Hitler believed America to be his primary adversary.
He believed Roosevelt was his personal enemy.
He believed in America was New Deal America.
You know, as America had become constituted with a nice 33 revolution.
Hitler viewed that as permanent, and he wasn't wrong.
He viewed America as the foe of Europe,
and he viewed it as this still essence of, you know,
kind of the Jewish perspective on political life,
you know, and kind of like the penultimate expression of
of
of Jewish social engineering
you know writ large
like people turn around and say
you know you can't say that
you know the entire
raison d'etra
of the NSDAP was
anti-Bolshevism
and its emergence
owed
100% to
you know the emergence of revolutionary
communism you know so you can't discuss
this discrete quantity
you know contra America that developed according you know to geostrategic challenges and ideological
discourse somehow unrelated to that you know and and and um and came to you know identify
America as as the primary adversary I want to get into my rebuttal of that today in terms of
what actually happened, you know, rather than counterfactuals.
And we're going to cover a little bit of familiar ground, but I figured today, you know,
I'll kind of address, you know, I'll kind of present rebuttal to what I think of the main
objections to that perspective. I just, I just explained the second episode, the second part,
you know, we'll talk about Hitler-Contra Roosevelt and the kind of direct hostile discourse
between the two.
You know, Roosevelt's radio addresses and Hitler's radio addresses, they were obviously in direct dialogue with each other, and it's fascinating.
And then finally, you know, how I want to get into some comparing and contrasting, you know, in direct, kind of indirect capacity, you know, of textual criticism.
them, you know, like the Sims book, and books like RHS Stolfe's fantastic biography of Hitler
called Hitler Beyond Evil and Tyranny.
And John Toland, who I believe wrote the kind of seminal biography on Adolf Hitler,
I part ways of them on some claims.
And we'll get into that later, Toland, I mean.
you know and I know
I know that he
I know that I know that I know that I'm
Toland accepted some aspects of
the court
history narrative and the Nuremberg narrative
that people find highly objectionable
but you know the Institute for Historical Review
when they were quite a bit of a harder line
arguing than there today you know I hosted him on multiple
occasions the guy wasn't you know some milk toast
and he wasn't you know some
he wasn't just some
some national review type, you know, trying to score points by, you know,
writing an edgy book and, you know, during the detente era or something.
But I wanted to ask a question before we go on.
Does Sims reference Hitler's second book a lot?
Yeah.
Can you address the people who think that it is not legitimate?
Yeah, because everyday idiots tell me things are fake.
the girl's areas are fake, mind comps fake
Hitler's second book is fake
you know my dick is fake
the moon landing is fake
the air we breathe is fake
I was fucking retarded
I'm sick of it
like it's not fake
you know like at some point
people have to accept that reality
is what it appears to be
you know
and somehow
somehow the second book tracks
exactly
what would Hitler
related to confidons
particularly
you know
to gerbils
to Hess, you know, long before the most critical phases of the war ensued, obviously.
You know, things that he disclosed to Speer, who, I, Speer was a real weasel,
but he was, you know, that doesn't mean you discount every single thing he said as being,
as being some, some self-serving lie.
Like, oh, I, it, I'm sure that sounded feral, but, like, I, I, I am so sick of people
just declaring things to be fake, you know, like, I,
it's like a mental illness or something.
You know,
people,
that's why I object to,
not for the tangent,
but I don't like the whole, like,
red pill metaphor,
because it's like,
it's this idea that everybody's kind of ditty-bopping around,
like an idiot,
then they come to some, like, special knowledge
that, like, things aren't what they appear to be.
Like, they all of a sudden realize
that, like, maybe everything they see on CNN isn't true.
You know, and that's the red pill.
So then if that, they decide,
like, literally everything,
thing on this planet is fake.
You know, like, Hitler was fake. He worked for
Wall Street, and the Bilderbergs, put him there,
and, you know, World War II was fake, and then the
Cold War is fake. You know, so, you know,
the fake moon landing was part of the fake Cold War.
It's really, really, really, really stupid.
Like, it's how really stupid
people kind of, like, makes sense of a world that
confuses them. You know, it's like these hood
guys will claim that, like,
to heat and trade fruit punch, like, makes you sterile.
And you know, like, that doesn't make any sense. Like,
nah, dog, it do, it do. It's literally
the same thing. It's like just as fucking stupid.
You know, I'm okay, fine. Everything is fake.
All right. I'm an idiot
and everything's fake.
So don't watch.
All right.
Well, let's get into it.
I think they're not just in terms of his character
that's misrepresented
by people like Alan Block, by people like
Kershaw, really by kind of the seminal, like, mainstream
historians of Hitler. They cast him
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as this kind of provincial rube who was not an old worldly you know and um you know kind of had no
understanding of power political affairs outside of you know this narrow corner literally of the
kind of of the hasehry empire where he was raised you know this kind of this kind of underdeveloped
you know sort of failing by the time he was born like monarchist dinosaur you know that was
that was racked by like ethnic conflict and things and the kind of arcane political structures,
you know, and intrigues and vendettists they're in.
That's not at all the case.
It was very, very rare for people in Hitler's epoch to travel overseas.
You know, like, for example, it was like a big deal when, like, Wilson went to Europe, you know?
Hitler himself also, as Kuzabek and his sister relayed,
Hitler was in love with like American stuff.
When he was a little kid,
Hitler's two passions were reading,
and he constantly would pour over maps with his colored pencils.
He was obsessed with geography and cartography,
and sketching out with his pencils, you know,
battle scenarios of, you know,
the Napoleonic wars and, you know,
the Franco-Prussian wars
and, like, these great conflicts he'd read about.
But he loved reading about cowboys and Indians
and, like, playing cowboys and Indians.
And, um,
so I found hilarious as,
know the Wheatcroft collection, that eccentric Englishman from central casting,
Wheatcroft, who's got the most extensive collection of third-right artifacts on this planet,
from, you know, like Hitler busts to a panzer tanks and everything in between.
I guess when the Berghoff was dynamited, there were still the basement areas one could access.
and Birgau and um
Weecroft and his buddy
they went there
they rappeled down
you know
into the basement area
I mean they're lucky
he didn't collapse on them
and there was like a game room there
you know like I guess there was like this
there was a bowling alley
but everywhere there was like Coca-Cola signs
on like a Coca-Cola vending machine
and I guess
we cross buddies is like wasn't this like nuts
and we felt like no Hitler loved Coca-Cola
you know his favorite movie was King Kong
you know
Hitler had fought the Americans
you know as
as a Lanzer
in the Reichs
in the Kaiser's army
okay
Hitler wasn't like ignorant of America or something
or like just viewed it as
you know like in the way like some provincial European
you know full of sort of small-minded
and small town prejudices would
and
what he began
saying
to his one-time confidant
Pouty Hofstangle
Hofstangle was one of the
even after the
even after the Rahm
purge
Hoshtangle
he was one of the people who was
you know at least party adjacent
if not you know
truly insinuated
into the
into the intersicle
fighters. He was in that
orbit and he'd speak freely to Hitler
and he was constantly
trying to sway Hitler away from
viewing the Soviet Union
as something that had to be destroyed.
And Rosenberg
hated him and both men seem to
think they'd somehow like sway the fewer
to their perspective out of Russia. You know, I see Rosenberg
this violently punitive view of Russia
which is totally understandable, him being a Baltic, German
and
Hofstangel said to Hitler
that, you know, it would be a fool's errand
for any, you know, for any
for any, for any, for any, for any,
you know, to make war in the Soviet Union,
you know, that'd be an unwinnable war.
And Hitler said, no, no.
Hitler said, uh, that would be an essential war.
An unwinnable war would be against the United States,
when it awakens.
The United States is going to rule this planet.
You know, I'm paraphrasing.
But in the second book, he talks about how America possesses quite literally 50% of this planet's natural resources.
Hitler himself had an uncanny ability to take reams of data and take conceptual sets of data that don't really lend themselves to translating into inputs.
and he had this kind of way of understanding
how these things translate the power political
variables
both concrete and
and behavioral
and everything else
Hitler viewed the United States says
this
bargaining superpower unlike anything the world had ever seen
and in terms of the American people
one of the things Sims drives home
and this makes me so happy because I've been saying this
for ages and people
claim it's like a quote quote quote
cop epilogia
Taylor did not view the
the German people as some master race
as they existed in 1933
he thought Germany was in terrible shape
he said you know
the 30 years war smashed Germany
into pieces literally
you know and he's like in 1648
our population was scattered to the four winds
you know
we like lost who we were
you know like the best of our
the best of our mentioned material
was in the grave
you know
and he's like
there was just kind of like this
you had a bunch of
you know you had a bunch of people
made war refugees
who had been made into like refugees
you know who were basically
forcefully assimilated into
you know by the you know by
by these by these Slavonic
peoples that they then
had to live among after being banned
from banished from their own land
you know and he said after that
you know
Germany
um
even
even after unification,
Germany is slightly
smaller than Wyoming.
In power political terms, Germany is a tiny
country with no natural
resources. All it has is
its people. And
you know, from
the turn of the 19th century
until the Immigration
Reform Act
of 1924,
something like 5.9
million Germans had left
Germany for the United States.
Hitler said, like, these were our best people.
He was like, they were the people who could survive a journey,
which in those days was no small thing.
You had to be a robust person.
You know, these were the guys going to handle, you know,
like weathering poverty and terrible hardship for years of need be to build something.
You know, these are the guys who weren't afraid to literally look at a location on a map
and say, I'm going to travel thousands of miles away in some cases, you know,
and live on this new continent.
You know, Hitler's like what was left in Europe, you know,
he's like um for people who were just like weaker in mind and spirit or uh people had been like left
behind by history it goes on to say and only to the fact you know Hitler he knew americans he'd fought
them he said like you know when i fought these people when we fought these people you know he's like
they're these large robust people you know and he's like compared to them you know he was like
we're like these kind of like sinewy weaklings who get knocked out by rifle fire you know he's like
these guys could take shots to the chest and like in some cases recover
he's like it was he's like we didn't stand a chance in 1918 being bled white as we had like fighting like you know the american army you know the bulk of which in those days was made up of a bunch of german people you know by by race if you're looking like that okay so this was this was Hitler's perspective you know it wasn't uh America sucks you know it's weak it's misogynated you know the Germans are the best people on earth it was the opposite it was we're dying out
And the only way we cannot die out is through this kind of top-down process of palingenesis,
part of which is spiritual, you know, part of which is historical in nature,
you know, part of which is physical and biological, quite literally,
you know, part of which is a matter of social engineering,
but of such a nature that's going to have organic residence
and isn't, you know, just some sort of contrived,
it isn't just some sort of contri-political program
you know like emerging from the minds of
of you know a of a
of an information ministry or something
so this is where
this is where Hitler was coming from
and I want to add too
and Sims makes this point
in both Mind Comp and the second book
Hitler does not
he barely even mentions black people
he says that
he has some punitive
things to say about the American South
because he said that importing
he said importing thousands or millions
of
of
Negro or Aboriginal slaves
he said that's called barbaric
You know
he didn't so much mean it's like mean to enslave people
And he didn't mean that at all
Like he meant that you know
Having this like massive slave population
That's not assimilable
You know that in some places outnumbers
you know, the, you know, the master cast, I mean, that's literally perverse, you know, and
he, uh, beyond that, and mind comp, he makes him passing reference to how, you know, the kind of,
the kind of universality of, of cultural identity, and, you know, kind of like, kind of like rudimentary
religion, no matter how primitive it can be, and it may be. And he said that, like, you know,
people even see this in, you know,
people even see this
in the most, like, primitive Negro tribe,
you know, which was, like, short-hand for, like, Africans.
So that's, you know, I
mean, like, why is that important?
It's not that it's so important, but I, for years,
not just, as long as precedes, like,
wokeism and kind of fake scholarship online.
There's this, like, narrative that, like,
Hitler for no reason had some, like,
demented hatred of blacks and, like, hated Jesse Owens.
And, I mean, that's, like,
that's literally demented.
But that was basically Hitler's musings in America, kind of like looking at the strategic landscape when, you know, he became Greg's consular and when Mr. Roosevelt took the oath of office.
So why was Hitler so fixated on Russia?
Well, there's the obvious exigence of, you know, it being, Germany being situated on the Soviet front.
frontier, you know, the communists were an existential threat to the Germans.
You know, the, there was an inextricable aspect of anti-communism to national socialism.
But the thing is, the Germans had won in Germany.
I mean, that's why Hitler was a Reich consular.
some years later, you know, they won in Spain.
You know, like the communists were losing in Western Europe.
And the thing with communism is that, you know, once it loses that kind of like revolutionary fervor, it doesn't come back.
You know, that's why after World War II, you know, when one would think like, oh, you know, like Marxist-Leninism is at zenith, you know, in the third world it was.
but in Europe, like nobody, it literally had to be imposed at the point of a bayonet.
You know, so it's a different thing, you know, and so people will,
then other people will raise the question then like, well, then why, why was, um, the war in the
East literally declared to be a Rossen Krieg?
And why was it so brutal?
And why, why did Hitler formally distinguish?
from the war in the West.
And I'll get into this in a minute and declare that, you know,
any German officer or enlisted man in the East is immune to prosecution for crimes
against humanity.
You know, and contrary, you know, the occupation of France or nothing like that would be
tolerated, you know, not even, like, by anybody.
There's an interesting little factoid.
I think it's more than a factoid.
I think it's fundamentally important.
there's this really interesting book
it's one of my favorite books
it's by this
author named Proudon
Proudin P-R-A-W-D-I-N
the Mongol Empire
or the Mongols in their empire
by Michael Pradden which was a
pen name but this book
made the rounds in German
Academe you know
in the I think the first
I think the first edition
was published in 1929
if I'm wrong somebody correct me
but people like among comparative people into like comparative social anthropology and cultural anthropology
people into philology particularly people into military science they found this to be a very important book
hydric Himmler became fixedly down this book um at the uh at the SS Juncker Schools
it was a signed reading um every SS officer
upon receiving his commission was given a copy of it.
Yacquim Piper,
his term paper
or his thesis, I guess what he considered, you know, his bachelor's thesis,
when he was at SS officer school,
it was on the Mongol, but it was on a specific aspect of Mongol culture.
That aspect with something called Yasa
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YASA was quite literally the law of the Mongol Empire
but in the Mongol Empire the law was literally kept secret and never made public
the Yasa had its origin in wartime decrees
decrees. Later it was expanded,
um,
extrapolated from these military conventions,
you know, to include, um,
behavioral conventions, you know,
things relating to cultural things and,
and conjugal things and,
and, um, you know, um,
disputes over property and things like this.
But, um,
it remained a secret.
Um,
the, it was,
It's believed that there's a very incomplete record of the Mongols in terms of their cultural practices and things.
It's believed that this was supervised by Genghis Khan himself, who appointed his adopted son, Shigi Kutu, as kind of like a high judge or like a lawgiver.
he appointed his second son
Shagatai Khan to oversee the law as execution
quite literally as Lord High Executioner
Now
This idea of a body of law
That
Obviously one of the reasons for its
Secretiveness
It's not just so that
You know the high lawgiver
Can maintain this mystique
and decrees therein
and precedent can be modified
and applied selectively
but it also
you know it's it also
it also obviously speaks of
of belief in a divine origin
okay the social order
and of military endeavors
and of you know the
the function of soldiery
in and of itself
okay
um
Piper wrote his
his paper on
Yasa
and um
you know
uh
it got glowing marks
from his teachers
and Himmler
um
Piper would periodically refer to Genghis Khan
and Mongol concepts
just uh
in the discussion in military affairs
it's obviously like looned really large in his mind
okay so
what this translates to is
there was a belief that
they're quite ahead to be some sort of adjacent
moral ethos
of your vanguard soldiery
and that's what the SS was supposed to be
they were supposed to be a kind of
they're supposed to be kind of the reconstituted
Teutonic Knights
but they
they were really kind of a
isn't a perfect example but they were almost
you know like a jihad element
and some sort of integrated
some sort of integrated structure of
law and command authority
and theological
small T theological imperatives
is really what something like that requires
and I'll get into that in a minute
why that is so important
okay
a couple things that stand out
or a couple instances
with people who discuss some
command responsibility
relating to
the
German war crimes
and genocide
in the
in the Second World War
one of those instances
is Himmler's post in speech
or speeches
in October 1983
where Himmler addressed and
assembled
you know the assembled
higher SS and police leaders
and he openly stated
we're talking about
we're talking about the
eradication of the Jewish people.
This was in
1993 October, which really shouldn't surprise
anybody considering the state of things.
Okay.
The second instance
that they tend to raise,
you know, they raise it as almost
like a litigation attorney would,
you know, an admission by a party opponent.
The Obertsalzalzberg speech
on August 22nd,
939, which obviously was right,
you know so was the eve of the assault on Poland
this American journalist
Louis P. Lochner
this gets a little complicated
he contacted a diplomat named Alexander
Comstock Kirk
he showed him
the text of this speech
that Hitler had
delivered
to the or assembled over
to the assembled brass
at Over Salisburg.
In turn,
it was transmitted to the
British diplomat, George Ovalvee, Forbes,
who of course made it
public in British intelligence circles
almost immediately.
And the belief, almost certainly,
or the understanding, almost certainly,
it was Wilhelm Canaris,
chief of the adver, who was the intelligence
leak. Okay, and he was
present there.
And it's interesting for all kinds of reasons that this is what he chose to really this is what he chose to leak in lieu of some other things over the
Because because canaris didn't leak everything and sometimes he did what was um
What one would consider to be the patriotic thing to do at critical junctures like other times he
Was engaged in catastrophic acts of treason as a ways to you know the disclosure of what would be considered eyes only
um
secrets
but
as in
may
um
these documents
the documents
constituting the speech
or at least the notes
that
constituted the speech
as much as
um
as much as um
our snitch
who will
will accept
as Canaris
proffered to
um
the allies
um
every um
every uh
every uh
every uh
every uh
every uh
every exhibit
Provident Nuremberg
was cataloged with a letter
and number code
this
the text of the speech
it's
paragraph in number code is paragraph
3 of exhibit L3
I'll read
the relevant paragraphs
it's short
this is Hitler speaking
our strength consists
in our speed and in our brutality
Gangus Khan led millions of women and children to slaughter, with premeditation and a happy heart.
History sees him solely the founder of a state.
It's a matter of indifference to me what a weak Western European civilization will say about me.
I've issued the command, and I'll have anybody who utters but one word of criticism executed by firing squad.
Their war aim is not consistent in reaching certain lines, but in the physical destruction of the enemy.
Accordingly, I have placed my deathhead formation and readiness to the present only in the
only in the East, with orders to them to send death mercilessly and without compassion.
With orders to them to send to death mercilessly and without compassion, men, women, and children of Polish derivation and heritage.
Well, thus shall we gain the living space, which we need.
Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians.
That's that famous quote about the Armenians comes from.
Okay.
So what is Hitler saying?
Now, mind you, when he talks about putting any insubordinate,
of the firing squad he's talking to men in uniform without exception okay so that's
that's draconian but it's appropriate okay within a commonly accepted um laws and customs at war
um as uh that comes up with the commissar order comes with the barbarosa decree you know
which again i'm not going to read verbatim word for word the text of those
documents, but it essentially stripped away any and all precedent relating, you know,
permissive or compulsory related to the laws and customs of war since 1648,
while acknowledging that in the West these things would still be scrupulously honored and
observed. Okay. So what does that mean? What that means is that, in practical terms,
Hitler realized that in order to become a superpower,
Germany had to
annihilate everything east of the order.
That was not
reconcilable
with the German ambition
of conquering
of conquering a landmass
essentially from
the Atlantic Ocean
you know, to the Earls and perhaps beyond.
There's no way that one can reconcile that ambition
and there's no way that one can imagine
a grand strategy that doesn't entail some variant of that
whereby Germany survives.
You know, it's, I mean, if you want to,
you know, keep in mind, too, like, you know, you know, Prussia was populated when the Prussians conquered it.
You know, these, these Slavic Wens, they, um, there were people somewhat adjacent to, you know, the pagan Baltic tribes, you know, who some of the later crusades were waged against.
You know, this was a wild land, but, you know, the, um, there's precedent within the German,
cultural and military psychology for this.
And you know, it's like saying,
you know, people saying like, oh, you know,
it's laughable to say that, you know,
Hitler viewed America as the adversary of Europe,
you know, when he was talking about putting, you know,
entire countries to the sword in the east.
It's really not, man.
I mean, it's, did, you know, did, during the Creek War,
did, uh, did, did people view the United States?
kingdom is a greater
existential threat to America
or, you know,
or the Comanche.
You know, like one thing
is related to the other
because, you know,
if you're fighting quite literally
a war against two
discrete populations,
you know, there's
there's going to be some sort of
weighing of, you know,
the relative threat potential of both.
But the idea that
you know, the willingness to exterminate a people in lieu of abiding the laws and customs of war
is pre-finition evidence that those people are, you know, your worst enemy.
It's not conceptually, that's not how high politics works.
Are we, you know, the theory.
Are we seeing that today on the news every day?
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
the uh you know there's also too there's not um
we don't think of germany as a colonial power you know during the second wave of colonialism
but they were you know and um arguably contextual pretext too is the herero uprising in
in 1904
in German
Africa
General Lothar
Von Schrothe
there was this uprising
obviously of
these Herrero tribesmen
and they were driven out
and chased into
the
into the Kalaharra
into this adjacent
territory of the
Kalahari Desert
which was
which was a wasteland
Okay
Montrotha
He had them locked down
And he had any
Refugees who tried to
Access
water
Were shot
So my
Montrotha
At his men were quite literally
Hunting these people
To extinction in the desert
Um
Trotha himself
Um
referred to
the order he was the order that he issued, you know, regarding the treatment of these people and not distinguishing, you know, between, um, between persons, you know, regardless of sex, age, ability to bear arms, overall health, you know, they were all to be killed.
So-called, very next stung as badful, quite literally an annihilation order or annihilation command.
And his words, the her, quote, the Herrero are no longer German subjects.
Within the German border, every Herrera was shot with or without a rifle, without cattle.
I take no more wives and children.
I take no more wives and no children.
I drive them back to their people or let them be shot.
You know, I mean, that's incredibly hard words from a hard man.
But the, um...
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You know, I realize I'm jumping
around a lot. I hope that doesn't,
I hope
that that's not,
you know, rendering
this whole pig.
You'll bring it back home. We got it.
Right. The,
the Revenge of the Sims, and to tell you,
you know, I make the point about
Hitler being,
Hitler was a political gambler,
but he was militarily cautious.
And that's a stolfie point.
as well.
We'll get into some of that too
because it's significant to
kind of like the myth versus
reality of Adolf Hitler.
But something
that
something that
is undeniable
is that Hitler was
several steps ahead
of his generals.
I don't think anybody in the
OKW
had truly developed
sense of the political in the way
that Hitler did. Okay, in generals,
for the most part, don't.
That's the only thing that's crazy to me, you know, people
these days in this country act like generals,
you know, understand
power political affairs and that
it's perfectly legitimate for them to have
opinions on policy.
Like, you know, the army has no policy.
But it's also, and this isn't
me trashing military men,
they
they deal in
concrete particulars.
And a very kind of discreet, you know, it's remarkably complicated, but a very discreet, you know, sort of a sphere of action.
You know, they don't generally have a great understanding of the political impactfulness of military activity, nor how political occurrence is indexing military activity.
I mean, most people don't, but, you know, generals especially, this stands out, contrary Hitler.
Hitler could look at a political situation and a burgeoning crisis and generally discern what was developing, you know, four or five proverbial moves ahead.
Like, that's what the game of chess is, okay?
Like, I went to a phase I was playing a lot of chess as a kid, and, like, I read all the chess books and stuff.
Then I found out like I love pool, you know, and Dilliers.
But, you know, what these chess masters can do, like, there's this movie about, like, Bobby Fisher.
Now he's like a persona on Grata because he's, like, anti-Semitic, or he said something nice about Serbia or something, but he's, you know, he was canceled.
But there's this movie about Bobby Fisher and, you know, kind of like his life as this, you know, child prodigy.
and the way they portray it,
I realize we've got to portray things
in a certain way in film
to make it compelling,
but especially if it's a cerebral process
you're trying to convey to the audience.
But the way these high-level chess kids
are playing, it's almost like a shootout.
You know, like Fisher, like moves his night.
You know, then like the other kid,
like Perry is almost and moves as bishop.
It's not how, like, top-level chess masters play.
They're like five moves ahead.
You know, and they're figuring out the best way
to facilitate, like, that in-game.
that they've already seen.
And like, if that potentiality
collapses, it's like, okay,
you know, they're rapidly
reorienting towards, you know, another outcome
that's like five moves ahead.
You know, that's, that's same thing with the game theory.
You know,
if you want to fight and win a nuclear war,
I don't, I don't get into the debate about, like,
can anyone win a nuclear war?
That's an ethical judgment.
And also, like, yes, you can,
but it depends on what the victory metric is.
and that's not an absolute criteria.
But point being,
if you're going to fight to win a nuclear war,
you basically have to be three steps ahead.
Okay, you can't be rendering decision, you know,
in the moment and waiting for the variables to reveal.
But, so Hitler,
Hitler realized
that
God damn
I lost my train thought
I'm still like not at 100%.
Oh Hitler
took
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You know, on December 11th, and we'll get to this next time,
that was Hitler's
speech to the Reichstag
you know where he announced the Declaration of War
against the United States
this was also
you know as the assault
on them Moscow
was
failing
like catastrophically
um
Hitler a famously issue of the order
you know
the army group center
um
don't you dare retreat
and this is characterized as Hitler being
you know like this madman
but um
Hillary was trying to salvage
what remained
of the operation because
Moscow had to fall in December
or all was lost
okay and I believe he knew that
on some level and everything
subsequent was an anti-climax
but
apparently
apparently
OKW
over the
High-March's High Command
This was when
W. Chief Operations
Walter Varlamant
He contacted Yodel
and said, you know,
who was then
chief of operations
of OKW?
Rolamant, you know, said,
you know,
have you heard of the Fuhrers
that's a clear war in America?
you know Yodel said yes and um according to Varlumont like Yodel was like white as a sheet
you know it said that you know now the you know the the general staff is charged with you
know now we have to examine where the United States has most likely to employ the bulk of
our forces initially whether it's the far east or Europe and we can't take further
decisions until that has been clarified
Verlermont replied, well, he said this is obviously a necessary consideration,
you know, commissioning this analysis.
But he said, you know, he said this is mad.
We've never been considered a war against the United States,
and we have no data on which to base this examination.
You know, we can hardly undertake his job just like that.
Hitler fired Verlomont when he heard of this and said he never wanted to see him again
or speak to him.
Hitler sidelined yodel
and Hitler said, you know what?
I'm making myself
chief of staff of
OkW. Hitler said
there's nothing
that like, he said there's nothing like a general
a staff officer
of Feld Marshal
can teach an army.
What he can do is he can
educate them politically.
You know, and he can
explain to them what needs to be done
by
inundating them with an
understanding of the stakes they're in.
Now again, people turn around to say
that megalomaniac Hitler, like
he appointed himself
Chief of OKW.
Well, you know what he did by doing that?
Everything that went wrong now
Hitler could not issue responsibility
for. Okay?
From that point forward, he couldn't
blame the generals or the army
for sabotaging anything.
It seems like the play of a man who was
trying to avoid
responsibility or take on
offices
symbolic or
or
wielding actual authority
for the sake of
for the sake of glory.
But part
of Hitler's rage here
you know
was against Varlamat.
It was what the hell are you talking about?
Like the whole reason we're doing this is because America is going to destroy us.
You know, we don't survive unless we become a superpower.
You know, we don't survive unless we can compete on all these conditions of parity with the United States.
You know, and fortify, you know, fortify the Western, the Atlantic Wall.
in such depth that is essentially suicide to assault it, you know,
and sort of force America to accept our hegemony over the continent
in Central Asia, west of the Urals.
Just as, you know, everybody's, you know, all other, all rival,
sovereign powers are, you know, must accept.
America's a Gemini
pursuant to the Monroe Doctrine.
And that was
that was Hitler's thinking.
You know,
his exact words
Hitler's were,
this little affair of operational command
is really something anybody can do.
The commander-in-chief's job
is to train the army and the national socialist idea.
I know of no general who could do that
is I want it done.
For that reason, I've taken command of the army myself.
The European winner of 1941 into 42 was the coldest of the 20th century.
There's rarely temperatures of 49 below Fahrenheit.
Just horrible conditions to fight in.
But again, Germany was racing the clock.
you know, it wasn't just Stalin planned to assault the German Reich, absolutely.
But even with that not the case, you know, Germany had to survive.
Germany had to win in the East before America was able to accomplish full mobilization.
And the Rainbow Five document, which was leaked.
For years, it was blamed on poor Hap Arnold.
Deliberately, I believe, by intelligence elements in the United States.
But the entire League of the Rainbow Five document was to convince Berlin and specifically Hitler
that America could reach full mobilization potential and deploy both the Pacific and the European Battle Theater.
They basically pushed it back.
pushed it forward a year.
In, you know,
contra what was actually possible,
you know, and
Hitler saw the writing on the wall.
And
that's why it's laughable and,
you know, I mean, I raised this again, because we're talking about, like, the real
Hitler here and his ambitions as well as his
character as warlord.
But this is idea that, you know,
Hitler declared war in the United States for no
reason or because he was a crazy man or because he wanted to
you wanted to quote distract people from the looming failure in in the East which
makes no sense whatsoever but it um you know I the United States already declared war
on Germany de facto on December 11th on September 11th
another ausp of September 11th 941 when um you know the the Department
Department declared that any any German flagship of
in the North Atlantic,
encountered by American vessels,
will be destroyed.
You know, so that's,
um, that's, um,
in strategic terms and political terms,
all this,
um,
I mean,
all this coal lasses into,
you know,
um,
an inevitability that,
um,
you know,
an American global superpower means that Germany perishes.
And,
um,
Germany is Europe.
and Europe is Germany and power of political terms such that we're extended in the 20th century.
You know, and that's another thing too, and we'll get into this as we get into some of the second book,
some of the substantive stuff in the second book, Hitler viewed the Soviet Union as kind of a Frankenstein's monster,
where there was this revolutionary cadre piloting the proverbial head.
that without that kind of firm control on the machinery of that monstrous head,
you know, the entire sort of Golem just, it collapses, you know,
or perhaps it's hijacked by, you know, socialist, nationalist, nationalist, Russian elements.
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obviously you know like like mr yaki predicted as well but that doesn't um but you know the nascent
globalism which everybody understood is what underlay the second world war and political
developments both preceding it and um intrinsic to the conflict itself everybody realized that
you know the the advantage in terms of what would structure like what system would structure
planet like went to America you know what the Soviet Union had going for it was
military you know um so is that too um and obviously this was you know
pre-atomic age um so that didn't teach into the equation but um let me see what I'll say
there's something else I think I wanted to mention yeah well uh again I'm sorry I mean
kind of scatter shot. I'm still
I'm still not 100%.
We'll get into the brass tax
of a
we'll get into the brass tax of
Stolfi's characterization of Hitler.
The Sims book will get directly
into some of Sims claims
and
you know then we'll do kind of a
comparative retrospective
you know on these kinds of
soft revisionist views of
the furor like what they
have in common with you know
in terms of um
in terms of a
historical agreement and what they don't
and then um
maybe uh
maybe we'll conclude
you know with um
discussing Poland a little bit more
and um
you know kind of like the personal side
of Hitler and how that's been um
that that's been kind of more
addressed more and a more mature and
and sober way as well, which makes sense.
Because regardless of everyone feels about a giant historical person,
it's, you know, his personal life such that it existed in any given case is essential,
understanding the man.
And that's all I got.
Like I said, sorry if I wasn't up to snuff.
I'm still getting over my last little bout of rheumatoid misery.
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i want to welcome everyone back to the piquaneno show back from the road
it's thomas seven seven seven how are you doing thomas i'm doing well man um yeah it was it was a
good trip and West Virginia is a fascinating place
and it's a really
it's just really interesting part of the country man and it's still
America's so big
there's still like a lot of
there's a lot of differences between places
you know on the ground like at the local level
and that that was a no exception
like um I wonder this guy's like there's this guy
with like an antique like junk shop it literally looked just like
he literally just looked like some order like sitting in a garage
I think it's like what he was.
He was like selling the shitty hordes.
And there was some like fascinating stuff there.
Some of which was like not remotely politically correct.
When you get to the south, when you get to the south, you can find a lot of places like that.
Well, if you're asking my buddy Damon, who's from Shytown,
um, he, uh, he found this, uh, he found this menu from a Picaninnati's restaurants.
it's like a it was on like a you know like it was like a menu that's like also like a mass you can hold the front of your face like a very plainly incorrect depiction of uh i guess a picketing and then like we look at the back and it was uh it was it was from a freaking location that was on like west madison in chicago like back in the day i'm like wow it's wild
but uh yeah all that all that kind of stuff that people um i guess i got stuff that makes like redditors like soil their panties with like outrage and shock or something like whoa just whoa this used to exist like uh
but that um i mean you find some pretty weird shit like here at all you know in chicago like that ddr helmet
it's like an original like vaux police eye um like m56 helmet i totally i found this like random antique
shop and there's this old lady's like oh that's my husband's stuff just give me like 30 dollars for it so
like yeah bet but uh but i mean don't um like it sounds like weird an entirely different way and um
like went to this like really good bar at you place like my guts weren't agreeing with me
I've got a Pepsi, but it was just, it was literally like these two trailers and like this guy,
this like boss hog looking guy, like working at grill.
And like, and then, yeah, like a couple of like picnic tables as like an eating area.
And like, it's like this is fucking nuts.
You know, like cash only, of course.
So, yeah.
Like Rustic America lives on, at least in West Virginia.
So that's good to see, man.
I spend so much time in like big cities.
you know I uh and um and being like in places you know like Baltimore suburbs like DC or it's like
damn man like has everything been like homogenized into into a big like Walmart so it's good to see that
shit man so yeah it was good yeah growing up in the city um and now living where I live it's when
I go to the city now that I'm like what the hell's going on here I don't really I want to go back
to the country yeah no I in the country yeah no I in the country
is dope, but I'm a city slicker, so I can't permanently leave.
I like, I, um, I can only survive, like, in this ecology or something.
Like, I, I don't know, like, too much wholesomeness and clean air.
It might, like, kill me.
All right, man, part two.
Yeah, I, I, something I think I need to emphasize.
And like I said, like, the reason I discussed primarily the Sims biography of Hitler from
2017 last time.
When I say that Roosevelt was Hitler's primary,
was Hitler's mortal enemy,
like people misunderstand what I'm saying.
That's not, you know, people
who kind of accept mainstream narratives say like, oh yeah,
you know, Hitler was anti-American. No,
no, no, no, no, it's not what I'm saying.
And it's not, um,
Hitler didn't covet. I mean, Hitler definitely
was practicing like a Velt's politic and a, like,
gross wrong politic. But this, I mean,
this idea like, oh, Hitler had
Americanist sites on grounds of some,
for, you know, like world domination.
That's ridiculous, too.
I mean, for no other reason, I mean, it's ridiculous conceptually, but Germany,
Germany's a country that's smaller than Wyoming.
Okay, I mean, it's just not.
And finally, you know, like I said, in one of our earlier series,
I cited Hannah Arendt, who's an interesting thinker for a few reasons,
but one of, in her book, The Origin of Totalitarianism,
which is a stupid title,
because that sounds like
just some kind of boilerplate,
you know, kind of like dummy
academia type work product
of the kind that came out of the era.
But it's actually a really insightful book.
And, you know, she was an accolite of Heidegger.
And may have been like a romantic
partner of his, but,
you know, she's on making the point that, like,
Hitler wasn't a nationalist and that, like, German
nationalism was dead.
You know, and you don't understand national
socialism and you don't understand
the move Hitler was making
if you don't understand that he was thinking
in terms of like the superpower age
you know and to survive
Europe had to be able to
capture
you know the
the land and resources that it needed
in order to
in order to mobilize into a superpower
you know like the future belong to the United States and the Soviet Union
and
um
and um
and there was
perspective ideology, unless Europe could find a way to survive.
And also, you know, Roosevelt was, um,
Roosevelt viewed Hitler as his, as his adversary.
You know, the New Deal regime, it was a revolutionary regime in all kinds of ways
in terms of its values and underlying philosophies.
But at base also, the, the framework for globalism,
at least conceptually, was being laid by the,
ideologies of the day and the New Deal was no exception and if for another reason you know like
we've told we haven't really taught about this here and it's it's outside the scope but like the great
depression I don't think it's mysterious I mean like I've said before like Murray Rothbard's book on
it I think it's the best treatment and Joseph Schumpeter his his is a his his his his
magnum opus business cycles was a huge undertaking it's like two values it's incredibly
complicated, but that kind of explains over time.
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how such things can occur at scale
but I mean it was basically a cash drought and it owed
the absence of an integrated banking structure
okay I don't want to get a debate about like
whether banking is evil or not like
the guys have like banking on their brain or like cockroaches
like they'll infest like a discussion and then they won't shut the fuck up
because like they think bankers pissing their corn flakes I don't want to talk
about that well what's what's so
What's inarguable, though, is that however you fall on the issue of, you know, fiat currency and that entire kind of category of economics, you know, like finance economics and monetary economics.
It was clear that, you know, not just for, not just not just only to, you know, conceptual and political reasons, but for structural reasons, you know, like globalism was was going to take shape somehow.
So you were going to become a superpower or die.
and um you know Roosevelt obviously um owing to a an affinity for the Soviet Union but also viewing
Europe as as basically America's like primary adversary I mean that's perverse for a lot of
reasons but um within the kind of internal logic of like the New Deal ideology I mean it makes
sense. I'm going to start. I want to talk a little bit about Hitler's December 11th speech
to the Reichstag. I've mentioned that before. It's tremendously important. Okay.
For a long time, we're going to talk about that. We're going to talk about
Roosevelt's radio address in 1938, which was a direct challenge to Hitler. And then
Hitler surprised everybody. Hitler directly responded to Roosevelt point by point. And the consensus
was that he utterly destroyed him and made him look like a fool.
And the thing about Hitler was that Hitler wasn't a normal politician.
He wrote all his own speeches. He didn't have speechwriters.
Despite the fact that he kind of founded the modern political campaign,
like Hitler wasn't going around taking public opinion polls and like worrying about optics.
You know, he put a premium on presentation and Elon and a certain
aesthetic
you know that would obviously
animate people and kind of stir their passions
but in terms of the content
of what he'd say
he was basically like
he was behaving like some kind of evangelical
preacher almost
you know everything came back to like the European cause
and like an antel social revolution and these are our ambitions
you know this is what we have to do
you know this is this can't be compromised
you know these are the core principles
you know like it was never um oh I'm talking
I'm talking, you know, the German labor front, you know, so I'm going to pretend to be a worker.
Or like, you know, now I'm talking to the, I'm talking to, you know, men who represent the textiles industry.
So I'm going to pretend, you know, that they're going to get subsidies if they back me and, you know, put money in the Congress.
Like, shit like that didn't even figure into the equation.
Okay.
Roosevelt, I think, thought Hitler was a politician.
I don't think, I don't think Roosevelt had a real interest in the rest of the world.
You know, like, he was worldly in the way that, like, kind of the old, like, Brahmin cast here was.
but he, you know, it's like, Hitler was a polymath.
Until his, until Hitler's, I'd say before 942, you know,
when Hitler really started deteriorating in terms of his health and everything.
Hitler didn't do anything all day but consumed data.
You know, like, uh, Otto Gunch famously relayed, he's like, you know, during,
during OKW briefings, like, somebody would misstate the caliber of like an artillery piece
or like the specs of like an armored vehicle and Hitler would correct him.
and then like somebody would go check
you know in the in the
in the tech manual and realized like Hitler was right
you know like he he was
so I mean Hitler
he had a weird rep for being
you know rep for being a weird bohemian who like slept late
and stayed up late and had weird habits which he did
but during his waking hours
everything Roosevelt said publicly
Hitler paid attention to and took seriously
like everything Churchill said publicly
like everything the Soviet Union was
doing, you know, he was studying it.
You know, like he was, that's all he did.
You know, so this idea that Roosevelt
could kind of like grandstand and,
and issue this kind of like dummy polemic,
you know, about, you know,
Hitler being a threat to world peace. I'm thinking that, like,
that would just be allowed to stand. Like, that's, that's
laughable. But we're going to go backwards a bit, because like I said,
I think the starting point should be the rachshed speech, because people
don't understand why. First of all, that the Reichstag speech, it was never translated in
English in full until the 1980s sometime. Like the New York Times ran a fake translation, like
full of Hitler saying crazy things, like about he wanted to conquer the world and full of this
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The vitrole against Jews and stuff, that's not what was said.
And I came across the full, like, accurate translation and Institute for Historical Review stuff,
sometime in the 90s.
But, you know, it's something,
it's not, I mean, the speech was, it was significant for a few reasons.
First of all, because Hitler announced that we were reforming at war at the United States
as my declaration at war.
And despite what people claim, you know, like I said before,
America was waging war on the Third Reich for years.
And then three months previously,
the U.S. naval commanded declared that they were going to fire on any German flight.
ship they encountered in the North Atlantic.
And then it was also declared that America's,
the contiguous zone to America's territorial waters was considered to be
our essential defensive Concord
stretched from,
stretch all the way to Greenland.
And, I mean, it was just basically like America said,
like anything in the Atlantic Ocean with a German flag, we're going to kill.
Okay.
You don't get to turn around and then say, like, oh, the Germans are making war on us.
but um so there was that and also it's interesting because you know Hitler fought American infantry
you know and like I said in the Sims book he talked about how like the Americans are better than us in
key ways yeah he wasn't some like dummy chauvinist at all and he said um you know he was big into
Americana he loved King Kong he loved Coca-Cola he read Western books all the time like both history as well
was like cults when he was a kid. I mean he he knew America and like what it was about.
You know, um, it's this idea that he, he just had some kind of like haughty disdain or that he
was like some some hicc from the sticks who didn't understand power politics of scale is
ridiculous. But it's also too, you know, the Wilson's intervention is what really changed
the war and it wasn't just, I mean, they changed the outcome of the war. You know, so I mean, any
an American president was going to loom large in the mind of, you know, a guy he'd served as a frontline lonsor, even if he wasn't, you know, politically engaged, you know, let alone the man who's, you know, entire life is politics.
So it was just a couple key.
There's a couple, the speech of the Reich Day, again, it was Thursday, it was over Thursday afternoon, December 11th, 1941.
Four days after the Japanese assault in Pearl Harbor, obviously.
it was an 88 minute speech which for Hitler was long.
He'd written in himself as he wrote everything himself.
He explicated why the status of forces on the Ostfront,
which by then the assault on Moscow was in the process of failing.
So I mean, a crisis was looming.
So Hitler emphasized, you know, the
victories to that point, I mean, which were massive.
You know, but mainly
he talks about America.
You know, like he doesn't, he doesn't mention Stalin at all.
He talks about the Soviet Union and how
the Soviets, the Soviets acted in bad faith.
He's like, we signed the non-aggression pact
because, you know, we had no illusions that the Bolsheviks
were our mortal enemies.
But he said, we believe
that they wanted peace, at least for the time being.
He says that when it became clear to me,
he said it became clear to me that their intentions were hostile
when they immediately opened up diplomatic channels
with the coup in Yugoslavia, 1941,
which, uh,
Yugoslavia was key to Germany's ability to deploy in depth, obviously.
and the coup was a
it was for all practical purposes
was a Chetnik coup
and Hitler said subsequently
you know the Red Army is
deployed offensively
on our frontier
he said only a fool
wouldn't realize the implications
of you know 20,000 tanks
and you know
dozens of divisions
you know a raid
on the eastern frontier
I mean so he said
that war was forced on
us, but, you know, there's an inevitability to this paradigm anyway.
He talks about Churchill as being kind of just like a pathetic cipher of the focus, which he was.
But the rest of it, he talks about Roosevelt, and he talks about America.
You know, that's what the bulk of the speech is dedicated to do.
You know, like, while, again, German forces are actively engaged at the gates of Moscow
and across a, you know, a 2,000 mile front, you know, literally the greatest battle in human history.
And Hitler's talking about Roosevelt in America.
You know, not, and that, that's apropos.
You know, he basically outlined, he, well, first he starts out of saying, like, you know, look, he was like, we made repeated peace over chores to London.
one of the last of which
actually divided the war cabinet
and almost cost
the Churchill and government
its mandate.
Quoting Hillary says
Already in 1940 it became increasingly clear from month and month
that the plans of the men and the Kremlin were aimed at the domination
and the destruction of all of Europe.
I already told the nation that built of a Soviet-Russian
military power in the east. During a period when Germany had only a few
divisions in the provinces bordering Soviet Russia, that
true. Continuing, only a blind person could fail to see that a military buildup of unique
world-historal dimensions is being carried out. This is not in order to protect something that's
being threatened, but rather only to attack that which is incapable of defense. Again,
because people in this country to this day have this idea of Germany as being this kind of,
almost almost this kind of, I think they imagined almost like the Soviet Union is presented in
Rocky Four or something. But again, Germany,
was this it's a country smaller than Wyoming you know um and for context too
and Hitler gets into some of this I'm not going to read a word for work so it would be pedantic but
you know the issue of Czechoslovakia as we got into in one of our earlier series
Chicago's the most artificial of states
Venice literally had no mandate to rule Roosevelt and his press corps presented it
when very rapidly the bulk of Czechoslovak territory came under German dominion as some sort of like threatening ledgered main, you know, leading like the kind of bullying occupation of a sovereign country.
That's not remotely what happened.
Her context due, Prague is, as the girl flies, 200 miles from Berlin.
I mean, think about that.
I think it was
I think it might have been
Hess. He said the Czechoslovak state
is a contrivance and it literally is like a knife
like pointed at the heart of Germany
which is true. It came into existence because the French needed
some sort of ally in the east
in order to
stage
you know
assault operations from
and in the
era of military aviation
which was then burgeoning at pace
like the implications were obvious
okay but as it may
like as we discussed
the Sudaten
land was seated to the Reich
which was overwhelmingly German
after that
Father Tiso
and the Slovox
seceded from the Czech
Slovakia and Union, I mean, at that point, it was a foregone conclusion. Like, what,
I mean, that's like saying, that's like saying, like, East Germany should have, like,
it was a tragedy that East Germany ceased to exist. I mean, like, I, what, um, I still
at this day don't understand, like, what the proposed alternative was, should they, should
the British have assaulted Czechoslovakia to force it to exist? Like, I don't, that's not,
that's not how political realities work. Um, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,
literally assinine.
But moving on,
Hillary continues
by saying, he essentially says what
Suburov echoed later,
that the rapid
conclusion of the war in the West
you know, May to June 1940
meant that
that changed things in terms of, you know,
Moscow's strategic perspective.
They couldn't count on
they counted on the, they count on
right either exhausting its offensive capabilities rapidly and not being able to reconstitute
you know for for months if not years or some sort of quagmire stalemate setting in you know
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Which would make for, you know, easy pickings.
The, you know, thus Suvorov's icebreaker descriptor, you know,
let the German Reich, you know, break the proverbial ice
of what remains of capitalist power on the continent, you know,
and then the Red Army will assault and take it all.
And that's definitely reached the Atlantic.
Most significant to me are some of what Hitler
says about his worldview.
I'm quoting Hiller now
at about the midpoint.
He says, what is
Europe? There is no geographical
definition of our continent.
But only an ethnic national,
the word he uses vocalish
and cultural one. The frontier
this continent is not that rural mountains,
but rather the line that divides
the western outlook on life from that of the east.
Now,
if you look at a map,
and I don't know if people spend time with
maps anymore. I mean, just looking at maps.
Europe's an indefensible rump peninsula.
You know, there's not a Sahara desert or an Appalachian mountain range
between Europe and the other. It's so amazing that
Europe existed at all. You know, really, and it's essentially
starred of natural resources. You know, Europe's very beautiful
in terms of its fistas and things, but it's basically a wasteland.
If you're talking about tertiary economic capital and things like that, okay?
So that point's well taken.
You know, Europe's an idea.
You know, Europe's not sub-Saharan Africa.
Europe's not, you know, East Asia.
Europe's not North America.
You know, like Europe only exists as like it's the mention material.
in the several cultures that constitute it.
Hillelwyn proceeds to break down
his view
of, you know, kind of like European origins or like Aryan origins.
Okay. And again, as I said before,
Aryan wasn't some scare word.
That's, um, philologist.
That was like what, that's the term they used.
Okay. And it's not, it's been appropriated by some dummies,
but as well as, you know, the usual suspects, you know,
like commies, hysterical
SPLC types, like other
other shit bags, but
it's not an ideologically
loaded word, you know, or it shouldn't
be. And I find Indo-European
to be clunky, unless you're
a linguist and you're simply talking about
you know,
kind of the nuances of linguistic
development. We're talking about like an actual
culture of people like Aryan is appropriate.
It was stated
at one time Europe was confined to the Greek
Isles.
With a flame first burned that slowly but steadily enlightened humanity.
And when these Greeks fought against the invasion of the Persian conquerors,
they did not just defend their own small homeland, which was Greece, but also the concept
that is now Europe.
And then the spirit is, Europe shifted from Hellas to Rome.
Roman thought and Roman statecraft combined with Greek spirit and Greek culture, an empire
was created, the importance and creative power of which has never been matched, much less
surpassed, even to this day.
and when the Roman Legion defended Italy
in three terrible wars against the attack of
that occurred from Africa and finally battle
the victory, in this case as well,
Rome fought not just for herself,
but also for the Greco-Roman world
that then encompassed Europe.
The next invasion against the home soil of the new
culture of humanity came from the white expanses
of the east. A horrific storm
of cultural was horrors from the center of Asia,
poured deep under the heart of the European continent,
burning, ravaging, and murdering,
a true scourge of God.
On the Catalonian fields, Roman and Germanic men fought together for the first time,
in a decisive battle of tremendous importance for a culture that had begun with the Greeks,
passed under the Romans, and then encompassed the German peoples.
Europe had matured.
The Occident arose from Hellas and Rome, and for many centuries its defense,
with the task not only the Romans, but above all of the German people.
What we call Europe is the geographic territory of the Occident, enlightened by Greek culture,
inspired by the powerful heritage of the Roman Empire,
its territory enlarged by German colonization,
or was the German emperors fighting back
invasions from the east
on the
Struct or on the Lechfeld plain
or others pushing back Africa from Spain
or a period of many years
it was always a struggle
of developing Europe against a profoundly
alien outside world
There's this heavy stuff
for a consular
or a president or a prime minister
Okay I mean I
I think that goes about saying
And it's not
It's not just
It's not just like
hyperbole or can
polemic of the kind that they
you know
of
that was common to the nationalist era
or whatever
the kind of
dismissive
suggestion is
favored by
court academics these days
and also what he's saying
what he said is inarguable
like all those things are true
you know
what um
and then um
and we'll get to the meat of the
the kind of Roosevelt
the challenge Contra Roosevelt in a minute, but
he goes on to say specifically
that, you know, we're now engaged in a war for our civilization
against another terror from the East,
and this is only possible only to the, you know, the volunteers
from Croatia, from Italy, from Spain, you know, from Norway, from Denmark, from France.
You know, this is a European war. There are no more Germans. There are no more Norwegians.
There are no more Frenchmen. You know, this is the battle of the
the Occasand for its survival against the barbarian-Asiatic horde.
And, you know, the Jewish capitalist ideology that's facilitating its attack on us, you know, exemplified by Mr. Roosevelt.
That's, and he concludes kind of this summation, I like the strategic situation by saying, you know, this is what happens on these battlefields is going to resonate for 5,000 years, you know, and Europe will not survive unless it's victorious.
And again, I mean, that's an arguable too.
You know, you don't have to be a Hitler partisan to accept that.
How anybody can kind of contradict that reality anymore.
And, you know, kind of paraphrines that, you know, Hitler is the double in this kind of like Life magazine perspective of the condition of the oxidant, you know,
circa
1941. I don't know how people
can possibly think that way, but I mean, people
think all kinds of crazy things.
And now here's
the meat of what we're, of what
I want to emphasize.
Quote, Hitler says,
and now let me speak about another world.
One of those represented by a man
who likes the chat nicely at the fireside
while nations and their soldiers fight in the snow and ice.
Above all, the man was primarily responsible for this war.
Speaking of Franklin,
then what Roosevelt, obviously.
The only continues, with regard to Germany's relationship with America, the following should be said.
Germany is perhaps the only great power which is never in a colony in either North or South America,
nor is it otherwise been politically active there, apart from the immigration of many millions of Germans with their skills,
from which the American continent and the Middle States has only benefited.
In the entire history of the development and existence of the United States,
the German Reich has never been hostile or even politically unfriendly towards the United States.
To the contrary, many Germans have given their lives to defend the USA. That is true.
The German Reich has never participated in wars against the United States, except for the United States went to war against it in 1917.
It did so for reasons that have been thoroughly explained by commission.
What he's talking about is the Nye Commission, which we covered in an earlier episode.
I can't emphasize that not how much World War I was kind of viewed as like the Vietnam War of its day.
It was viewed as a lie that duped the American people.
people, you know, killed 100,000 young men in the prime of their life, who were then later abused, you know, by being denied their pension rights.
Gerald Nye, who wasn't some like America Firster, he was a big progressive liberal.
He chaired the, he convened the Nye commission and basically, I mean, it basically exposed that J.P. Morgan when it realized that it had, you know, it's, it had hedged adequately.
in its loans to the UK.
It essentially demanded, you know,
action from the White House when we olded
undue influence to get a war declaration.
You know, like, people were outraged by when this was coming out.
You know, like nobody viewed World War I as anything but a disaster and as a big
lie. So, you know, and Hitler obviously, like,
like the view of a...
And I was shouted down by this code or
of a
of a
of, of, um, of old
party men saying, you know, you're
besmirching them, you know, you're, you're smirching the grave of
of, of, of, of President Wilson.
When he's doing no such thing, and honestly, like, even Hitler didn't talk
about Wilson as being a bad man.
Like, Wilson was cast as this kind of, like, naive guy.
The 14 points actually
was, like, the only kind of honorable piece.
Um,
uh,
the situation that was presented, you know, that honored the rights of the combat and said any real way.
You know, it was Wilson who basically said that, like, you know, states have an absolute right to, you know, to preserve the majority national culture.
You know, and it was the French and the British delegation who basically laughed in his face and demanded vengeance.
you know like it was so i mean i and i wasn't wasn't burning wilson in perugel effigy and honestly and
hitler never held out wilson as an evil man like you basically he basically looked at him as like a weak man
was pulled over by um by high finance and uh and dupont uh which was a which was a a a huge arm and's
concern among other things um you know they they made they manufactured uh
they manufactured basically like everything that allowed the AEF to fight.
You know, like we talked about, like, this is a rare instance of, you know, financial concerns and economics basically, you know, being the proximate cause of a war declaration or like intervention at scale.
You know, so it's not like Hitler wasn't just saying crazy things.
I mean, this was basically the majority opinion, you know, of, not just of, of Europeans and of Germans, you know, obviously felt like uniquely agreed.
But, I mean, in America, this is why, this is the way people looked at it.
You know, I mean, it, um, this wasn't, uh, the fact, uh, I mean, honestly, like, I think we, we talked about in the new, when we were covering the New Dealers War and some of the Tom Fleming scholarship.
I mean, had it not been for the Pearl Harbor attack, I, I don't think Rosell could have
gotten a war mandate. You know, and once under our system, you know, when, I mean, even today,
even, even post-Watergate, when the executive has been gilded, you know, a, a wartime president
is, is, for all practical purposes, you know, a lawn to himself. I mean, like, look at,
look at, I mean, look at, look at Bush 43. Like, I mean, like, he might have been like a goofy
and effectual guy and whatever, but his administration wielded real power. Okay. And that, that only came,
they only derived from the fact that he was a wartime president.
You know, and no matter what, like all rhetoric kind of goes out the window of the opposition when so situated.
Vietnam's a weird exception, but that's too complicated to get into here as a tangent.
But that's, I raised that because I'm sure people who aren't familiar with the history will just say,
like, oh, Hitler's just maligning, you know, of course, he's going to say that, you know,
World War I was based on a lie. That's not, that wasn't as like Hitler's take. That was
what everybody viewed it as. And frankly, that, that's what it was. You know, what,
um, why, why, why, why did America fight World War I? Because it just, it just really,
really doesn't like, it really doesn't like monarchs and, like, democracy has to reign.
Like, so, so we got to make sure that the British Empire can squeeze every last,
every last bit of, um, reparations that of Germany. I mean, honestly, I was, I was his,
was bullshit. But, um, it's, uh, the, uh, and finally, um, interestingly, Hitler makes
note of like the article two presidency, he says, America is a republic led by a president
with wide-ranging powers of authority. Germany was once ruled by a monarchy with limited
authority and then by democracy that lacked authority. Today is a republic of wide-ranging
authority between these two countries as an ocean. If anything, the differences between
capitalist American, Bolshevik, Russia, if these have any meaning at all,
must be more significant than those between the America
led by a president and the Germany led by a
fear. And that's important too
because obviously, you know, the constant refrain
not just of Roosevelt's
Roosevelt and his loyalist,
but
you know,
administrations before and sense
who want to
malign people
and countries they've identified as a opponent is
they're talking about dictatorships.
I mean, America is a presidential system.
Like again, I mean, there's
there's few
there's few countries in the western world
or what was once the Western world
that have
a system that orbits around the chief executive
to the degree that America does.
There was something of a weird irony
to America going around saying,
you know, Mr. Putin is a dictator.
Like, you know, this country is a dictatorship.
You know, it's like, well, as opposed to what?
Like, you, they should have,
they should have a House of Commons and a prime minister
can be ejected by no confidence vote.
I mean, you know, I mean, it's the, um, America's the land of the sovereign executive.
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That really is the legacy of Hamilton
more than anything.
And to his credit,
in my opinion.
But the...
What's interesting about this, too,
is that this... the Reichstag's speech.
I mean, it was timely, again, because of the...
strategic situation, but also
FDR on April 14, 1939,
in his radio address, he issued this
what was called his challenge to Hitler.
Okay, now,
the words of it were
as follows, quote,
because the United States, as one of the nations of the Western
Hemisphere, is not involved in the immediate
controversies which have arisen in Europe,
I trust that you would be willing to make such a statement
of policy to me as head of a nation far removed from Europe in order that I
acting with only responsibility and obligation of a friendly intermediary may communicate
such declaration another nation now apprehensive as the course
which the policy of your government may take. Are you willing
to give assurance that your armed forces will not attack
or invade the territory of possessions of the following independent nations?
Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania,
Sweden, Norway, Denmark, the Netherlands, Belgium, Great Britain and Ireland, France, Portugal, Spain, Switzerland, Lechtenstein, Luxembourg, Poland, Hungary, Romania, Yugoslavia, Russia, Bulgaria, Greece, Turkey, Iraq, the Arabia's, Syria, Palestine, Egypt, and Iran. Wow. Now, that's almost comical.
well
and there's
at the
in the Reichstag's speech
there's some footage of Hitler
like reading that list down
and it pans are like
a gearing like laughing
like laughing like
in his hands
you know what
but the
now
let's
uh
no I mean let's let's
let's let's think about this for a minute
that Roosevelt's list of countries that Germany was supposedly threatening.
Let's break that down.
Finland, the first country on the list, was invaded by the Soviet Union seven months later.
They were actually allied with Germany from then on.
Okay.
The three Baltic nations mentioned were conquered in 1940 by the Soviet Union.
Later, Roosevelt accepted Stalin Corporation of the Baltic states in the U.S.
S.R. Poland was assaulted by the Soviet Union and by Germany, but the Soviet Union's assault apparently did, what it didn't count.
Neither Britain, France, or the U.S. did anything to counter the Soviet aggression against Poland.
When the Soviets took complete control of 1994, the U.S. had no problem with it.
Hitler himself pointed out
Syria and Palestine are currently occupied
by your ally of the United Kingdom
and you Mr. Roosevelt are working tirelessly to
facilitate a Zionist conquest of Palestine
thus displacing the people or indigenous to the region
so why why are you telling us to what fair play
for Palestine?
So I
but again it's um
the
uh
this this
this earnest
sharp rejoinder, because again, I think
Roosevelt thought,
first of all, I think some of these guys,
some of these, like, Morgenthau types,
that they're actually, like, high on their own bullshit,
and they actually believed that when they said, like, Hitler's an idiot,
there's, like, some, there's, like, some, like, bohemian hillbilly
who can't read a map.
Like, they, these guys were totally outclassed.
You know, it's, um,
like, I, I think, uh,
I think Roosevelt really thought this was, like,
befuddle Hitler or somehow, you know, resonate
with people who had a less than sophisticated understanding of power politics.
But it's clear, like, he didn't even, he didn't even, like, study, like, who Germany's
ops were at that time and, like, who they were kind of, like, integrated with, you know,
politically and diplomatically.
And, you know, one of the, in the case, again, a palis and the Arab states, the,
as I made the point before, about guys like von Lears and by the propaganda ministry generally,
like these guys were actually broadcasting
like Arab language broadcast to try and court
like the Arabs like I mean a lot of the reason why
they were doing it was you know to
agitate against the United Kingdom but the point
is it's like it's like
where the hell do you pull this list out of like I don't
but it um but like again
I think uh these guys
didn't um
these guys didn't they were they weren't
up on you know the character
of Hitler and kind of what he was
what his tendencies were
you know so he uh
so Hitler
two weeks later
Hitler issued a direct rebuttal
point by point
and he broadcasted over the radio
and even
Gerald Nye
again
who he said that
you know the president really took it on the chin
the consensus was that
was that
you know
was that you know
was that you know
it's also the
this was you know
the generation after you know the great white fleet
you know Teddy Roosevelt had sent
the U.S. Navy on its world
literally its world tour
you know you had
you know you had
America just
you know
a few of your stuff
went to that effort, you know, had deployed at scale to Europe, you know, to literally change the course of World War I.
You know, America was engaged in Asia, you know, it was engaged in, you know, the, the banana wars.
They kind of sway what remained of Iberian influence in, in Central and South America.
You know, again, Germany, we're talking about it. We're talking about Germany smaller than Wyoming.
You know, so this, you know, now Roosevelt's going to lecture us about, you know, like,
alligrants, you know, and what
constitutes acceptable
application of force
in the course of a
of power political
ambitions and realities.
You know, the,
so I don't,
but it's, I, I, I think this point too, because I, again,
I think John Tolan made the point. I mean, I realized
Tolan, and Tolan was certainly
hostile to the, the new dealer perspective.
you know, I, Tolan was a true revisionist.
He went where, like, the facts took him.
But he wasn't, he wasn't any kind of national socialist or Hitler partisan.
He was just a rebalanced, you know, scholar.
But he, his take was, his take was that Roosevelt, you know,
whole challenge of Hitler was basically a publicity stunt.
Obviously, it was not a serious initiative for peace.
But, you know, by that time, you know, the American president,
viewed kind of everything they did as a publicity stunt.
You know, in contrast, Hitler, and to his credit, Mussolini, they took seriously what official
statements were from, from national capitals, you know, they took, they took seriously what
the American president said as a statement of policy, you know, and when Hitler, Oral Duce, you know,
issued a statement
you could take that to the bank
like regardless what do you think of the merit of
you know what policy was
within the bound of rationality of their
strategic ambitions
you know they weren't they weren't on publicity
tours they weren't saying things to kind of
you know spoof public opinion
you know and that's
um
that's something that's got to be acknowledged
like I
and like I said too like
imagine
even
even in the 19th century or even in
uh
even in arguably kind of the most
uh
even the most kind of populist era in
Europe you know after the excess of 1848
it had been kind of quashed
but
yeah there's still
remained kind of the
um
there still there still kind of remained
the sensibility of you know the
the third estate
having final say.
It's pretty remarkable for, you know, not just a Reichs consular, but any chief executive
to publicly address the legislature and say, look, here's the military situation,
here's why I give the orders I did.
These are our losses.
You know, these are what we need to reconstitute in order to win.
You know, this is my political vision for the future.
And this is my view of, you know, these men who've positioned themselves as our enemies.
I mean, it's just not, that's a level of engagement and transparency that I don't really think exists.
One of the reasons I like Putin, and Putin is no Adolf Hitler.
I don't even particularly, I don't think it's the best man for...
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Russia, I think, I, it's unfortunately for the Russian people
who's not a better man who can rise the occasion
for all kinds of reasons.
What I will say about Putin, though, is that I think he is basically transparent.
You know, you'd be hard for us to find a statement he's made on high politics, you know, war and peace questions.
That isn't exactly what, you know, intended policy was.
So, and there's that, too.
Like, I don't, there's this, I mean, there's all kinds of, like, weird mythologies about, um, about chief.
chief executives of states that America's fought in these 20th century wars and their
alleged bad character or whatever but there's this kind of there's this ongoing
like mythology that like oh Hitler was this liar and he was always resorted like
this ledger at main like it's really not true you know I mean I think um the big uh
Czechoslovakia you know Munich and 38 and um Barbarosa being that was you know a sneak attack
in violation of the
non-aggression pact, I guess so the kind of big
points of
contention for people who insist on that viewpoint.
But again,
I,
if
all treaty law is permissive,
not compulsory, because it can't be,
because that's impossible.
If the party to a treaty
is acting in bad faith,
and in the case of a non-agreting pact,
he intends to attack you,
and is mobilizing for that purpose,
you're not under some moral obligation to wait to be assaulted.
You know, I mean, that's like saying I...
That's like saying my man tends to kill me.
I've got to wait until he draws on me and fires.
Otherwise, I'm a bad actor for preemptively shooting him.
I mean, it doesn't...
This is not the way things work.
And, you know, I mean, aside from that,
if you take the side of the Soviet Union over Europe,
I mean, regardless of the...
of the merit of um
Hitler's decisions or lack thereof you've got something wrong with you
you know like you you support um your own civilization right or wrong
and finally in the case of um you know in the case of Czechoslovakia again it was uh
it uh it was it was a there was no center there you know I mean it it it
it rapidly came apart, literally, once the Sudanian land was seated to Germany.
Like, there is no Czechoslovakia.
It ceased to exist immediately after the inter-German border came down.
I mean, was that, like, was that, like, a crime against history, too?
Like, should we insist Czechoslovakia exist?
I mean, I, so there's not, you know, and that kind of surprised me, man.
Because, like, honestly, it's just because people aren't particularly educated.
Like, when I think about things that kind of, that kind of caused me to, like,
give me pause about any positive feelings about Hitler.
It's what he did to do is friends in June 1934 and things like that.
You know, I mean, I, if you give you pause of a man who's willing to murder his friends for political expediency, which is what Hitler did.
I mean, it seems to me to say, you know, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not a man who wields power over the fortunes of nations.
but um it's like really like your your your big um you're big um you're big and diamond of hitler's
character is that chico slovakia ceased to exist and this it was mean to attack the soviet union like
it doesn't it doesn't really track but um anyway it just um i thought it important to um
get that
out there.
I want to cover the
I want to cover the
the Warriors
and what
specifically Roosevelt's final term
where his mandate was evaporating and I think
Roosevelt wasn't quite in his
he didn't have his family about him anymore and this
resonated very much
in the court of the Third Reich
and there's a reason why the July 20 plot happened when it did
there's a reason why a lot of the intrigues within the Reich itself
developed heads they did
Stalin was making decisions looking forward to a future without Roosevelt
and I mean Stalin was pretty old himself
excuse me it was pretty old himself at this point okay
but I'll be more clear in the next episode
but on what I mean but I
I've mentioned before Hitler's December 11th Reichstein
speech, I maintain it's critically important as it as testimonial evidence.
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Putting together not just an understanding of the psychology of Hitler,
as warlord and as political actor,
but also, you know, disabusing people of conceptual biases they have about, you know,
the war declaration against the United States.
It was, it was just like some brazen, crazy act,
or some sort of, um,
attempt at a,
some sort of attempt at a gamble,
um,
or something. But, yeah, that's all I got for today.
All right.
That was great. Let's do plugs and, uh, we'll end it.
Yeah, man.
Uh, you can always find me on,
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I'm going to do what I can
in the next four weeks
to be more productive
content-wise. I was traveling
and my hell isn't been great
so that's monkey runs some things.
But I think
I'm going to try and turn that around, I promise.
All right. Until the next episode.
Thank you, Thomas.
Yeah, man.
I want to welcome everyone back to the
Pete Cagnano show.
How are you doing, Thomas?
I'm doing well. Thanks for hosting me.
Thank you. And
I guess we'll take this time
to talk about this little project that we started and just released on gum road we sat through
and watched a movie and commented on it last week. I think he did an amazing job.
Let's talk a little bit about that, what you think people can get out of this.
Well, like I said, people have long been requesting that there be more content relating to movies
and things and uh
I uh
I um yeah I guess uh
I guess it's kind of our version of mystery science
theater 3000 what I'd like to think a little more serious commentary
but uh yeah man there's a lot
you know films and important media I'm not
I mean I I grew up kind of living my curiosity to the movies
which I think is kind of a
I mean that that's a very American
kind of resume you know at least
for people born before like 1980s or so, but, you know, it kind of like American cultural life
exists, like, in cinema, you know, in a way that it doesn't in other mediums.
You know, I guess the Great American novel is a trope, you know, and don't get me wrong,
like there's still at this day, like, you know, Americans make an impact on the literary scene,
but when we're talking about kind of like America's contribution,
of like, you know,
the kind of like global cultural pastiche,
like high,
high culture and like lowest of the low,
we're talking about cinema.
So I think that's important to me.
And especially,
you know, these days
the common lament
and it's well placed,
you know, including the people like
Martin Scorsese himself.
There's not like real films being made by Hollywood.
I think that's true. But
the
there's something of a backlash against that,
then, you know, the kind of removal of barriers to entry
in the form of, you know, production tech
becoming kind of democratized, for lack of a better word.
You know, I mean, like, anybody can shoot a film, man,
like who's got, you know, like a bare minimum of investment capital.
So, you know, I make the point, too,
that guys like Nicholas Reffin and Ryan Gosling are kind of keeping
filmmaking alive, you know, like basically taking a love.
on these passion projects and I just know I just tweeted out you know something about
Kevin Costner who I'm not any like big fan of a I think he's like a well-meaning guy
but I think some of his work product is shit but he he made this big Western like
epic that's like three hours long had um got the standing ovation and um one of the big
film festivals I don't think it was cans but it was you know one of something in that
thing. So I maintain that film's not just something for like old people nostalgics like me or for
you know kind of people with um subcultural uh interests um so I'm excited about it and feedback's been
very good and like we talked about before we went alive I mean trying to think about what
movie we should cover next and uh um I'm welcoming um
feedback on that
or
you know
request from
subscribers as to what they'd like to see
reviewed and obviously
it'd be heavy to abide that
but yeah I'm excited about it man
I just want to mention I threw up a page on my
website free man beyond the wall.com
forward slash taxi driver
taxi driver is all one word
and there's a link there to the
gum road episode of the
video and I also put audio up because I know some people are just not going to be able to sit down and watch video.
So some people are still going to want to hear the commentary.
And I had one guy in a live stream yesterday to say, I know that movie so well that I could listen to your commentary and know exactly what scene you're talking about and envision in my head.
So I just film, yeah, there's I, if you're like a movie person, the other films you watch, like,
dozens of times over a lifetime.
I mean, even,
I've been looking at since I was a kid.
I realize some people think that seems weird.
Like I,
like years back,
like a lady I knew was,
like, why, you know,
why do you always watch,
like,
why do you watch the same movies over and over?
You know,
I'm like,
you know, like,
doesn't everybody do that?
, films they like, and she's like, no, you know, I'm like, okay.
I remember, I remember, like, in the 70s and 80s, it'd be those, like, coffee table books,
like, Leonard Moulton's movie guide or, like, the home video guide to, like, movies,
and it'd be, like, a thousand pages, and it'd be, like, write-up.
So, like, every movie you can think of from, you know, like, the 19-teens, like, later silent era,
like, until, like, the then-present of, like, 1985 or whatever.
I'd, like, pour over that shit for, like, hours, man.
Like, I, you know, like...
because I was always like a data junkie, but yeah, man.
And before internet, that's also like how you found out about like film titles, man.
Like, I remember Future Kill, which is a bizarre movie.
Like I found that through there.
Christian F, which was like really kind of shocking, man.
If you're like a kid in the 80s, you know, that was that West German movie about, you know,
kids, like homeless kids, like who were strung out of heroin in like West Berlin.
that's, I mean, it's point in, but, I mean, you know, stuff like that, like, I found that,
do like a Leonard Mountain movie guide.
And I was lucky enough in, like, greater Chicago land, there was, like, a critical mass of,
like, independent video stores, even after Blockbuster kind of conquered the landscapes,
you could still find a lot of that stuff.
But, yeah, it's a very good thing, man, this series, I mean.
All right, so, yeah, free man beyond the wall.com,
for us last taxi driver, all one word.
And, well, let's get to it.
Adolf Hitler's foreign policy episode three.
How are you doing?
Ready to go?
Yeah.
You know,
like I mentioned earlier on,
I put a,
I put a lot of premium in a lot of these
sort of soft revisionist takes
that have crept into the mainstream.
I mean,
these things are changing.
You know, I know,
but biographies of historical percentages
are always kind of hit or miss.
I mean, even people obviously aren't nearly as controversial as Hitler, because even fairly
objective historians, you know, they run the risk of interpreting events and statements and even
the documentary record through kind of the lens of current affairs and things.
And I mentioned before that Brendan Sims, his book,
his 2017 book, Hitler,
a little biography, that's really great.
I consider it to basically be on the level of John Tolan's
biography in terms of its
scholarly integrity.
Obviously, Toland, I
you know, Toland's book edges
it out a bit because
Toland quite literally, you know,
was able to access Hitler's then living relatives,
including his sister and,
you know, as well as,
you know, people who'd served
a Third Reich in critical capacity.
who wouldn't talk to anybody else.
But Sims, his book, the only other book that focuses really on Hitler's Geo-Satogenic Vision
and Hitler's view of the United States, which is absolutely key in understanding
Hitler's worldview, the only other book I found that deals with that in a dedicated capacity.
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It's this old book from the 70s that was put out by this naval war college type called Hitler.
versus Roosevelt.
And kind of the focus of that
book was the undeclared naval war
between the United States and the Third Reich,
which carried
on literally for years before the form of
legislation of war. And that was an early example
of
a kind of
revisionist text,
you know, of which you find
in that era, like, in kind of military
science type of
type of
type of books more than you would
and kind of like more
broad historical treatments
but that was
I mean that was important
it was an important contribution
but obviously
you know again it focused kind of more on
impersonal circumstances
that
you know when that author's estimation
kind of put Hitler and Roosevelt on a collision course
I take some exception
to that you know like I said I
Hitler
was not unsophisticated on
geostrategic reality. He's like quite the contrary.
Like he really did have like a forward-looking perspective
and even more than a lot of these
people of aristocratic pedigree
who supposedly
you know, um
more cosmopolitan
leanings. You know, whether they're in the UK or Germany,
Hitler saw things that they didn't.
And obviously,
over to the brutality of the war in the East,
as well as the kind of dialectical nuances of the national socialism,
you know, like people,
people kind of view the Soviet Union as, you know,
as the mortal enemy of the German Reich first, last and always,
and in kind of total existential terms.
That's the wrong way to look at it.
And, you know, the degree to which
Hitler himself as well as kind of
any
any kind of right Hegelian
which basically everybody was
of Hitler's generation who
had any kind of grand theory
of geopolitics.
They viewed
the kind of tragic
course of a Russo-German
affairs to be something of an inevitability,
almost like a phenomenon of nature.
Germany's relationship to the United States was totally different
and premised a lot more on
on, you know, ideological nuance that was somewhat accidental.
I don't get into what I mean by that.
But a point that Sims made, and I've always made,
is that people need to read Hitler's second book
to really understand
what his perspective was.
And there's a reason why, in my opinion,
Hitler, after about 1928, 29,
you know, he kind of put it to the side.
You know, I think, in my opinion,
didn't feel that the body politic and the electorate
was really ready for that kind of hard political realism.
You know, and thus there are people
read a kind of inconsistency in some of Hitler's public statements, particularly after 1930,
you know, Kod for the second book, which I think is misguided.
They'll get into the way I think that in a minute, but by 1928, like people, people kind of misunderstand that,
you know, the, the big people view kind of the National Socialist Party is like this crisis party
that was only able to capitalize, you know, and breakthrough during the years when, you know, the global depression, like, really kind of hit Germany hardest.
I mean, that's true and it's not.
I mean, like, obviously, the punctuated breakthroughs, you know, like, happened in those years.
But Hitler's overall kind of program, it wasn't just based on, quote, resentment over Versailles.
I mean, the Versailles Treaty wasn't in ethical terms and in practical terms.
It wasn't worth the paper.
it was written on verbally.
But that wasn't,
it wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't,
it wasn't, it wasn't just a mere,
like protest vote party or something.
The, um,
something Hitler constantly talked about
in, um,
to Hess,
to Gering,
um,
to,
you know, his intimates all in sundry,
as well as something he wrote about in the second book.
was that the greatest,
one of the biggest existential threats to Europe
was mass emigration.
You know, and every time
Europe was hit with a punctuated crisis,
you know, basically it lost, you know,
millions of people over, you know,
over a century.
And that's exactly what had happened in Germany.
A lot of people attribute to Hitler,
they say, you know, they suggest
that he borrowed the idea of a pan-y,
pan Europa
This idea was kind of first got public
kind of attention
and
you know in the
Vimer era like 1920 22, 1923
this
this Hapsburg diplomat
Count
Richard
Cotonhoff
Calerby
he was
he was a son of a
of a Habsburg diplomat.
He was a guy of aristocratic pedigree.
He'd married a Japanese woman,
which is somewhat rare.
I mean, there was a lot of cultural exchange
being Germany and Japan, but like a
Haasburg Austrian aristocrat,
like marrying a Japanese woman was kind of,
it was unusual.
You know, he was,
his ideas gained ground
kind of as the internal situation
deteriorated in Europe.
up vis-a-vis the, you know, the German economy and kind of the demands of the reparations
regime. He was, he was backed early on by Max Varberg, who some people believe was a,
what was a site for the Rothschilds. But be as it may, I mean, whatever, Caler, I don't know
if he was Jewish or not, I think he was part Jewish by, like, Heritage.
but I don't he did in fact have like a vision of Europe that with an eye to render it geostrategically competitive like he wasn't just he wasn't just some banker like looking to insinuate this kind of you know faux European ideology and what I'm on to do a kind of um you know a kind of a kind of a kind of a kind of a kind of a kind of a kind of a kind of a kind of a kind of a kind of a kind of a kind of a kind of a kind of a kind of a capital.
to repeat, although I know a lot of his detractors
than to now claim that.
But be as it may,
Heinrich Mann
a year to have to go to 1924.
He drew heavily upon
Kellardgy's writing,
and he published this kind of popular,
circular,
calling for, you know,
a United States of Europe to prevent, you know,
the car from becoming an economic colony of America.
Now, the key takeaway of that again,
like Hitler didn't have any common talk with people like Calergy and man, but
you know, the understanding that America was really
you know, if whether you were in Germany, whether you were in Japan, whether you were in China,
whether you were in the Soviet Union, like your eyes were willing into America as to like
the future of like your great power opponent. Okay, like that
they'd agree to which this was in the minds of people can't be overstated. Okay.
And they agree to which America,
American power actual and potential dwarfed basically like everybody else combined like can't be overstated.
Okay.
And Hitler,
Hitler was very, very aware of this.
And honestly, too, in the political culture of Weimar, this was something people kind of took for granted.
You know, like the social Democrats in 1925, 26,
you know, as they were kind of trying to finesse moderate voters, you know, kind of take a strike
a more kind of like nationalist posture. I mean, however, milk toast terms, you know, they were
talking about, you know, the Europe needed some kind of integrated banking structure, and not just to get a
handle on the reparations regime and to not, you know, be tethered to the fortune of the pound
sterling of the American dollar but you know this was this was the way forward you know anything
anything else was a provincial in scope um the uh but it's also there was Hitler had a lot of
admiration for the United States you know we told it before people thought it was weird when
um it came out that uh that um
At Eagle's Nest, you know, like Hitler had a bunch of like Coca-Cola signs and stuff, like in the parlor.
Like, Hitler loved Coca-Cola.
And he liked bowling.
Like, he liked his favorite movie was King Kong when he was a kid.
You know, he was into Western and stuff.
You know, he thought like Hollywood was awesome.
I mean, he had exception to what he viewed as, you know, it's the kind of insinuation of Jewish values into the movie industry.
But he was far from alone.
in that take, but
his idea that Hitler was some like provincial
like Habsburg type who hated America
is complete nonsense.
He,
you know, and
Germans all went to American movies.
You know, like from about 1928
onward, you know,
like basically, like you went to the cinema,
you, we were going to see
like American movies.
You know, there was
a, the
transatlantic flights by airship during like the brief sort of a
sent to see like airships as this big you know um kind of uh um you know travel platform you know like
the big push was uh to to link you know berlin with like new york you know as the ambition
of me of course like turn berlin and like this kind of like world city you know this wasn't um
this was very much
this was very much
who like Germany
were looking to emulate. They weren't looking to emulate France.
They weren't looking, people weren't looking
other than people who'd been like
radicalized in the streets
of Weimar or people who were just, you know, kind of
already ideologically
dedicated only to their own, you know,
kind of like philosophical commitments. Like nobody in Germany
was like looking east to the Soviet Union
as a model society.
You know,
um,
they had a, they had,
they looked at America with admiration.
and um you know so like not a no small degree of awe and um the uh you know frederick list uh who's
considered kind of like the father of uh of german national economics you know the guy he basically
premised his entire paradigm on hamiltonian economics you know like any he openly acknowledged that
you know um well i mean he even spent a lot of time in the united states
Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly.
And it's also the, you know, Hitler also,
Hillary had a keen understanding of,
he had no illusions about, you know,
about the situation of Germany and, like, in Europe in general.
And he, I was going to do in a minute, too, like, he,
now he's not only telling him some, like, chauvinistic, like, nationalist or whatever,
but he, like, if anything, he, especially,
He didn't say this on the campaign trail for obvious reasons.
But, you know, like we talked about before, you know, this reputation of the national
socialist being fixated on eugenics is misplaced because if anything, you know, America and,
well, less than a degree, the Soviet Union were kind of like the hub of that sort of thinking.
But, you know, Hitler believed that Europe was basically sickly, you know, spiritually, biologically,
every other way, like, contrary to the United States.
And he talked about that constantly.
know, like, Hillary and Goran saying, like, yeah, we're the master race, like, quite
the contrary.
Part of that's deliberate, like, mistranslation.
Part of that's just, you know, like attributing kind of a caricature-ish view to, you know,
Europeans generally and, you know, Hitler specifically.
But, interestingly, you know, Hitler also, too, it went without saying, you know, that communism
was a blight and had to be eradicated.
but I mean that was something that
again in dialectical terms
that was something that just
was
was taken for granted
you know I mean like you're
going around trying to convince communists like
you know of the
that they were misguided or
trying to explain to people why you know
it wouldn't be good for there
to be some kind of Soviet revolution in Berlin
like you
you know you're you would have been pissing into the wind
to dedicate yourself to those sorts of endeavor
But also again, it, you know, the kind of view of communism was almost like, it was almost like it was like a mind virus or something, you know, like it was almost people who almost viewed it almost like they would like BLM, you know, today, but obviously exponentially more serious and more dangerous. Like it's not, it like goes out saying that they're your ops. Like what, what, what people like Hitler actually engaged with.
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You know, what the real danger was, was explaining to people why, you know, Europe had to
basically carve out an autonomous path or the situation at Germany and Europe in general eventually
would be comparable to a bit of colony. You know, like Europe would just become a colony in the United
States or the Soviet Union, you know, if the Soviets militarily were able to, you know, subsume
all other
all other
competing powers
you know
just just by
you know
at a point of the bayonet
like figuratively
and literally
um
you know
Hitler said
during the later
stages of
you know
the kind of campaign
for the Reichstag
in 1928
for the you know
for Reichstag seats
I mean
Hitler said
he'll compare Germany
to India
in like the way that
you know he said that uh you know india like britain allows like these hindus like keep their princes
and their kings and it doesn't it doesn't divest you know these aristocrats and in the raj of their
wealth and let's a pretend have authority but in reality these guys are you know these guys are
ciphers you know they're they're nobodies they're they're coolies who you know dressed up and kind
of the glamour of of a sovereign court you know and um you know he said you know anybody who thinks that
you know, the real truth is not that, you know, the Britain is the Lord and the Indian is the slave is diluted.
You know, and he said, you know, the, you know, Hitler wasn't suggesting, you know, some kind of solidarity with kind of like, you know, the rich and oppressed of the earth or whatever.
You know, but he, he was saying that, like, basically, like, this is the way, this is the way we're viewed by Europe and America, albeit for some of different reasons.
And something I'll get to do to at this point.
there was real, there was, there was not,
there was no level loss between the UK and America
at this juncture.
And as late really as the Edwardian era,
the potential for America and Britain, like, going to war,
especially over claims in the Pacific,
it was very real possibility.
You know, so it's like the,
Hitler talking about the UK and America,
like having some convergence of intradiction,
but also being ops actual potential.
That's not some weird conceit of Hitler.
That's the way everybody viewed it.
Because that was the truth.
You know,
that ended because Churchill
destroyed his country,
liquidated the empire, and literally sold it to America.
I mean, like, had that not happened,
it's an open-ended question.
But the main,
you know, Hitler,
Ler came back and again and again
to what he called Anglo-Saxon capitalism
Okay
And he distinguished these
He didn't see this was axiomatically
The progeny of the Jewish political mind
But he said that
You know if you're talking about international finance
And you're talking about the UK and America
You know
There's always going to be like some aspect of Jewish power therein
But um
he said that that doesn't mean, like you said, even like if we removed like jewelry from the equation,
that does not mean that like Wall Street in London is our friend, you know, and this will lead
a lot of people to say like, oh, Hitler was just a socialist or something. Like he was, but not in the
way that people are talking, like those kinds of people refer to. And, you know, for context,
when a Hitler's big targets was Parker Gilbert. Um, Parker Gilbert died young. He was only in his
like early to mid-40s.
But he was most known for, was being the
agent general for the reparations
to Germany from
1924 to
about the middle of 1930.
And afterwards, interestingly,
he became an associate at J.P.
Morgan. You know, as we talked about before,
like, if you don't understand
the degree with J.P. Morgan
had, I mean, J.P. Morgan
was Wall Street in those days. Okay?
Like, they're kind of like the Goldman Sachs
of their day, all right?
and the degree with J.P. Morgan was insinuated into the,
you know, kind of forcing the decision to go to war on the Wilson White House.
You know, Hitler's saying, like, look, okay, like, you don't believe me, like, what's Parker Gilbert?
You know, why is our economy basically the hands of this guy?
You know, I mean, that can't be denied, you know.
So, I mean, this was, you know, like, again, the acting like it was something, acting like,
I mean, these things especially, anybody acting like it's some benign thing for, you're,
your national wealth being divested by
you know Wall Street and
you know kind of
you know the
your currency being bottomed out
by the repean of a reparations
regime like anybody who thinks that's some benign thing
like I don't know what to tell them okay but this wasn't
this wasn't
this wasn't as Hitler in some like vestigial like Marxist
sympathies or something I know some people like to claim that
you know, during the Vimar years, he was taken in by the KPD briefly, which is nonsense.
But that's what, that's the reason why he's constantly talking about capitalists,
quote-o-capitalist.
And also, too, I mean, the, you know, the, the, the, the, the KPD was basically beaten by this point,
and, you know, they lost the street.
You know, like, there was still a threat, you know, um,
And kind of the final, it wasn't until the Enabling Act incident to, you know, to the Reichstag fire, which was in fact set by a communist, you know, Van Loeb, or Lub.
But the, I mean, it wasn't until they were formally banned, as it, you know, what amounts to a terrorist organization, that they were no longer a factor.
but it wasn't, you know, the political culture of Germany in 1930, like, wasn't orbiting around, like, you know, people weren't debating in Reichstag sessions, like the legitimacy of Marxism.
I mean, like, this was the issue in existential terms on the table, you know, like, whether the reparations regime could be rendered benign, you know, whether some kind of, like, conflicts and independence with America, which meant essentially, you know, like, subjugating the German and.
economy to that of Wall Street,
is there some way out of this, or
some way, like, within this paradigm,
whereby, you know, Germany
survives
as an autonomous
political culture. Like, that's what was on
the table, okay?
And that's why
that's why
Hillary's emphasis comes back again and again,
you know, the capitalism
and the capitalist ethos. It's not because
he was some sort of like occulted mercist or
something, or whatever people say.
um the uh and you know again too like it wasn't um the uh the reparation of the regime like the dawes plan
hiller was always saying that don't speak to me of constitutions and the Weimar constitution he said
our three constitutions are in the Versailles treaty the Dawes plan and our car and the little
colonel pact and the Dawes plan specifically you know you had uh you had Parker gilbert and his cronies
intervening essentially as
the French were threatening
occupation of the roar as kind of their
as kind of their damically sword
if they weren't paid what they believe
they were owned in Italian manner
you know Dawes said
the Dawes basically
advocated like taking
the German
National Railway Company
as collateral
and
you know I need all
revenue from the tariff and tax regime
essentially being put in his hands
in the hands of the reparations committee
which was de facto J.P. Morgan
and from there like they'd
you know they'd
they'd integrate
these public revenues
that the Berlin government was receiving
and be like kind of the middleman with France
you know like as they saw fit
you know and this was this this was a big plan
to like dig Germany out you know
was essentially allowing J.P. Morgan to loot the public coffers as they saw fit.
You know, I mean, and that's, I mean, like, think about it.
Like, like, Americans freak the fuck out about, you know, when they think,
like when they think they're paying too much in real estate taxes, which is no small thing.
I mean, I feel the burden of that, too.
I mean, it's like, people like, oh, Hitler was just making a mountain out of a mole,
hell about this whole Versailles thing.
It's like, you're fucking serious.
You know, it's like, come on.
But, um, and of course, too, like, people during Vimar, I mean, they're in the Vimar regime.
They, they, uh, this had most, by, by the time of the, of the, of the, of the, of the,
the breakthrough, this was mostly, they had mostly abated, but people were starving.
You know what I mean?
I mean, the point about horse vessel, horse vessel,
you know his
coroner historians in the comments at the time
claimed he was a quote unquote pimp
because like his
his living girlfriend was a prostitute
like you don't know why she was a prostitute
like a lot of women in Vibevar became prostitutes
because they were starving
I mean like that's
that that's the situation I mean
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when it becomes normal for women to be selling themselves because, you know, there's no other option.
I mean, like, think about, like, Americans never read to live in those conditions, man, like they haven't.
I mean, like, people are addicted or people who have, you know, fallen on terrible circumstances for various reasons.
I mean, yeah, that happens to them.
But, like, categorically, where something like prostitution becomes normal, because no one has anything to eat.
So, like, we can't even imagine that.
I mean, that's, that's where people are coming from here.
and um you know that's uh that's what owes to the kind of uh you know the kind of focus of the um
the national socialist paradigm but it's also um the problem with the national socialist party even
into like 1928 2930 i mean really this is outside of scope but i remember we really underlay the
1934 incident, you know, the the Romfouche.
I mean, there's a lot of intrigues there, but I mean,
the kind of the overarching impetus was
the need to eradicate, you know, divisions in the party
just, you know, by a final and violent executive decision.
The Germany's fatal, the fatal flaw in the German
flagged culture with these fractures um you know foreign policy was still highly
disputed Rosenberg and um you know the almost of the Baltic German faction within the
party as well as a lot of the Prussian military element they were insisting that the
Soviet Union was you know was a what was the ideological letamy like everything else
was secondary um obviously the Strassers as well as Gerbils himself interestingly
if the Soviet Union is like a key, but it's anial ally against Anglo-America, the South Tyrol issue.
And obviously, you know, Hitler courting Mussolini, you know, this, and ultimately South Tyrol was, was seated in its entirety to the kingdom of Italy.
You know, this big, this was like a sore point for a lot of German racialists, you know, like Hitler's selling out our people.
You know, he's for the sake of, you know, someone of a geotrategic vision that may not.
come to fruition um you know the uh and this uh you know this was not this was not workable and um
despite uh despite the fact that people always talking about like america especially in this era
and um in the preceding epoch you know the world war one era as being like oh in america you know we
we debate all possibilities
like this that's that's total bullshit
you know like when a policy gores to decide
in war in peace terms or economic terms
like America just does it
like after the war between the states
like that kind of discussion just like
ended that was all done
okay um
and this is one of
this is one of the big
reasons for the fewer princim
it's not because like Hitler was some
control freak or he just thought it was really great
to
to play
um
leader or something.
You know, the
early on his career, he treated
these like the various separatist types,
you know, these various
these various regional
parties all in sundry,
you know, who kind of wanted to sabotage
any kind of centralized government in Berlin.
You know, he treated these people as much
as as as as big enemies as the communist
because, again, they,
these,
um, like these people are kind of like
fools today, like in the old East block,
where, like, you know, hold themselves out.
It's like, yeah, I'm like Ukrainian nationalist.
It's like, your ass is literally owned by Wall Street.
But, like, as long as you get to, like, go around, like,
weaving, like, a little flag and pretending, like, you know,
you're some kind of sovereign, like, micro-state.
Like, you're, you know, you think you're, like a fucking pigging shit.
But the, um, you know, and, uh,
it was right around this time, like, around 1928,
that's when Hitler began writing the second book.
And for about 18 months subsequent,
after the election cycle 1928,
he worked on it pretty consistently.
You know, it's, and again,
the overarching theme of the second book
is the overwhelming power of Angle, America,
and especially the United States.
the theme was in
M. Kopp, but my Kopp's
a totally even kind of book. Again,
Mike Kopp is an election season appeal.
The second book is
quite literally like Hitler's geostrategic
vision and is like,
it's diagnosis to like the world of 1928.
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Hitler literally said, quote,
The American Union has created a power factor of such dimensions
that it threatens to overthrow all previous state power rankings.
He said there's probably a question of literal space,
you know, gross rom.
He made the point that Aboriginal elements, you know,
like Native Americans, if you will,
obviously they were both divided, you know, by tribe, language, ethnos,
as well as being relatively thin on the ground
compared to the size of the continent.
So there were easy pickings for
you know,
a
conquering population animated
by, you know,
kind of an almost theological
imperative of a man of his destiny.
And also
the relationship between the population size
and the territorial extent
is just like awesome.
Like literally, it's just massive.
you know like heller wrote that this is like inconceivable the europeans
you know especially because i mean again like europe's an indifurop's a tiny peninsula
really um it's got no it's impossible to defend it in depth
you know um it's got uh you know no no natural barriers
between itself and you know the other in the east you know it's um
like america's if you're gonna if you're gonna draw sort of a perfect
geostrategic situation for a people, like you basically draw the United States of America.
You know, like assuming, um, assuming their ops in terms of a ability to project power
are where, you know, the, the British and the Spanish were respectively when, you know,
America fought them off and essentially kicked them out of the, the new world.
But, uh, you know, it's, um, there's nothing, there's nothing comparable to, to it in history.
And again, Hitler was correct as assessment.
He said the United States had, as of the time of, you know,
as of the world of 1928, 9030, probably 50% of the available natural resources
of this planet.
You know, its industry not only had, you know,
what was not only the envy of the world and it captured, you know,
markets on every cost.
even by the 1920s, but even if all that went away, like even an event of some total emergency,
you know, if America could only had only to rely on its domestic market, like, it could still survive
and arguably thrive. You know, like the, like America's internal market was, was, uh,
what was greater than the British Empire's, like an entirety of capital. And like that's,
that's totally insane, you know. Um,
and Hitler made the point again and again in my conf,
or not in the second book that like European statesmen like don't understand this.
And Hitler then talked about England and America and Germany and race.
And interestingly again, he had a pretty unflattering diagnosis of his own people.
Hitler said that basically the greatest people whoever lived are the Anglo-Saxons.
He said that the Anglo-Saxons were truly like the master.
race, the world's like master
race, the era in which we live.
Like anybody alive and then present. Okay.
He said the key to British
power was that
you had this like critical racial
value of Anglo-Saxonum
that was able to
conquer the political culture in
Britain entirely
and then
perpetuate itself
and kind of develop
it developed this like rigid cast-based society where the leadership cast was uh it viewed
its it's like whole raison d'etra as um you know being like lordship over this enterprise that
they had created that they believed it had been like you know conferred upon them by providence
um
Hitler said that because of this sort of cultural indoctrination over time and this kind of like
unwavering, like, mastercast will even
in themselves.
He said that, uh,
he said that one in was basically able to colonize,
you know, this entire planet.
And meanwhile, like, their leadership cadres,
like, who never saw, like, the motherland again,
like maintained, like, nevertheless their link
to, like, a post culture and, like,
to the Angles, Saxon race, which is absolutely true.
Um,
it, uh,
Hitler said, you know,
this is why,
you know, the Anglesaxon he's like totally outclassed as like the German of 1930.
Okay.
He said the other...
He said the reason the United States is so dangerous is because he said, well, you know, he's like...
The United States said in the core of this Anglesaxon population that was just referenced.
Like when these people saw the like endless horizon of the new world, like they realized that they could quite literally like
invent a new world in their own image
and they no longer
had to take a knee before anybody
you know and he said that
the
mass influx of immigration
of immigration from Germany
which by
from from
the treaty was failure until
Hitler was writing amounted to about six million people
and Hitler said like
this was the cream of the crop of like
European the year of like of European people you know he's like so in America he's like you
have he's like you have this like core of Anglesaxon leadership like utterly ruthless
utterly committed to its own posterity um like utterly insatiable and his desire to like dominate
the planet he's like and like the mentioned material they presided over were basically like millions
of the best of like you know central Europe and Germany you know who realized like only diminishing
fortunes like on the continent.
You know, in those days, immigrating to America
was, you were like taking your life
into your own hands. It was the opposite of today
where it's like, you know, the world empties out
to its jails and sends them to America.
You know, like, if you had, like,
like, you could become
rich beyond your wildest dreams in America,
but you also might, you also might
die, you know, and like
at a, it, uh,
you, you had to have a tremendous,
um, even, I mean, just surviving
the journey over here. You know, I mean, like,
was an ordeal.
He said basically, like, the people
when he'd get up and go, like, got up and went.
He's, like, the best of, like, the white race, like,
lives in America. He's like, you can't dispute that.
He's like, yeah, he's like,
American culture might be vulgar.
He's like, you know, there might
be, like, deformities within it.
He's like, it might suffer from the absence of,
you know, like, like, cultural patrons.
But he's like, you can't say
that they're not, like, the master race
because they are. He's like, they're the best racial
material.
and he's like
you know they
and he's like
he's like
he's like the Americans
are self aware of this
he's like
that's like
Hitler's writing right
with the 1925
Immigration Act
and he made the point
he's like
he's like
America's entire
he's like
he's like America is continuing
to like
siphon all up
like the best of Europe
he's like well
privileging you know
Scandinavians and Germans
and you know
in English
you know
and he's like
limiting the number of sloths
and Latin's
and basically excluding
like Japanese
and Chinese
from immigrating
because they view them as like their
probable adversaries, you know,
in a kind of great game of
of, of, of, of, of, of, of,
of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of,
I mean, all this stuff is true.
And that is the way the Americans
viewed themselves, you know, like this.
And, um,
for context, like,
Hitler literally fought the American infantry,
you know, like, as, uh, like he was saying,
like he, like he, I mean,
it's something,
it's been said that, like,
if you know a race of people,
like there's no way to know them more intimately than if you like had sex with them or killed them
okay and there's something to that I wouldn't characterize it that way but it it's not wrong
you know like the idea like hiller was some bumpkin it's like well apparently he wasn't man
and he fought uh he fought he literally fought the u.s army um you know after uh you know after having
face down the british and the french and like what he wrote about
in his later years was how the American army
was tough as nails and
and were these incredibly robust
like hard people who were like
the sons who left us
centuries before
you know like grown like bigger and stronger
and faster and smarter than we are
you know and it was devastating
you know what I mean that's he didn't
he didn't say something like that about the Tommy's
he didn't say anything like that with the French he was
talking about the Americans you know
um do you think this is why
so many people want to claim that the book is a forgery
because they've basically bought into this romantic notion
of the Prussian people at the time
and the Prussian people being the cream of the crop
as far as genetics goes and then that Hitler would,
they're putting words in Hitler's mouth so that it would,
it makes it look like
Hitler doesn't really
like the German people that much.
I mean, that's what it sounds.
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I think that's part of it.
I mean, it's, um...
Yeah, I think it's part of it.
But it's all of it, too.
It's like, some of these people are just guys who claim everything,
like literally everything is fake.
Like, remember what it is?
They claim it's fake.
Like, these are the guys who think that, like, um...
Like, Joe Biden is, is like, a hologram.
We never landed on the moon.
like if you tell him like you eat cornflakes
like bro cornflakes like matter to people man
you don't believe that bro
you're like brainwash bro
like the second book's a fake
like Hitler was fake
Hitler was like this Jewish gay guy
like he was fake bro
I mean I think it's part of it's just like that
but part of it yeah like people
at the point before that a lot of these guys
who claim to be like national socialist
or like or like to
like I guess like to troll people by like
wearing a swastika
when they really know what it means
they got this like, they got this like cartoon idea of Hitler is basically what like the war department of like
1941 said he was. They just like claim that's cool, not that that's bad. So I mean, yeah, I think part of us that
these fools, like they want to pretend Hitler was like this Darth Vader type figure like who
as alleged and not actually like a thoughtful person with like a critical view of his own kind and stuff.
But it, you know, but it's also, um, but it's also, you know, Hitler,
came from the Hathbury Empire, like the frontier of it.
The Hapsbury Empire was a fucking mess.
I mean, it's fascinating.
If I had a time machine, like I said, I'd want to go back, among other places,
the Vienna in like 1910 to check it out because, like,
that kind of decadent, baroque architecture is just, like, really cool.
And, like, there's, like, very cool things about it.
But, you know, it's like something out of, like, a fairy tale or something.
But it's a whole, it was totally dysfunctional.
You know, like, you can't, I mean, and that was really kind of the,
that was kind of the prime, the distilled.
essence of like decadent, like dysfunctional, like 20th century Europe.
You know, so Hitler's like, this is what our problem is.
You know, and there's a reason why he like refused to be drafted by the Hasbrook army
and went and joined the German army.
That wasn't like an accident.
You know, like, and it wasn't because like, oh, Hitler was such a big racist.
It's like, no.
Someone said that being allowed.
Someone claimed, can you answer this?
Someone claimed that the only reason you think the second book is authentic,
is because you're taking the word of Gerhard Weinberg
and Gerhard Weinberg also said David Hogan was full of shit.
So is that true too?
I mean, various people like saw the second book.
He talked to Hess about the second book.
He discussed its contents with Ribbentrop with Gerbils.
He openly discussed on the campaign trail in 28.
I view myself as a writer and I'm writing my second book.
Like what?
I mean, what, what, what's the evidence that it's a fake other than that like guys in the internet
say it's fake?
I mean, like, I don't like what.
I don't think it's fake.
I have no reason to think that it is.
Like why?
It's romanticism.
It's there.
It destroys some kind of romantic notion that they have.
Apparently, yeah, yeah.
It's, uh, but yeah.
It, um, I realize we're coming up on, uh,
the hour, so I'll
I'll wrap up soon,
but it...
And it's also, too, like the...
You know, conspicuously absent, and I make this point just because,
like, court history is so
like, demented on this point.
You know, you wonder one thing Hitler does not mention at all.
And the second book is, like, black people
and America's, like, racial situation.
He just, like, has no interest in it.
Like, he did say that...
The only time he ever spoke about, like, slavery in America...
was he said, quote, like, transplanting,
transplanting of millions of African Negroes,
the American continent as an example of a quote,
barbarian custom, you know,
because he said, I mean, but that was like the view of like a lot of people.
Like this, like, um,
you know, uh, but he didn't,
this idea like Hitler was sitting around, like,
hating on black people or like obsessed with, like,
race, like in that regard.
Like he, that's totally, that's literally retarded.
But it, um, you know,
and if anything, too, like the,
the, the traditional understanding,
is that, you know, like, the Germans, like, sympathize with, like, the North and kind of, like, the Union, like, national economic paradigm.
You know, Hamiltonian economics and all of that.
Like, the idea that they were, like, Neo-Confederates is, like, literally demented.
But, you know, he, and, like, most importantly, I think, too, not, like, Hitler spoke in the table talk, you'll glean this as well as other place.
And according to the second book, like Hitler talked about the American dream.
Like now, he didn't use those words.
But he said, quote, the European of today dreams of a living standard, which might be possible in Europe, but actually exists in America.
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The American simply lives on average better than we do.
You know, and he made the point, that's why he emphasized motorization so much
saying like every German is going to like have an automobile like a family car.
Like Stalin famously said that like, oh, this, this film of like American workers like driving is,
this is all propaganda. That's not possible.
You know, because like it seemed like science fiction to people in the old world.
You know, and Hitler is like, you know, we got a like basically like we've got to,
we're going to have an auto bond.
Like we're going to have, you know, a continent.
We're going to have our own manifest destiny in the east.
you're like we're going to have a space program
Berlin is going to be
you know like a capital of the world
you know like he
his competitor was America
you know
it's um
but this
I mean granted it's like it wasn't
unqualified
you know like he
he talked about the
part of a new culture of America
that was
uh
and he uh
famously like he
he mentioned one time
like some
some like Robert Barberin type
had mocked up
like a faux palace of Versailles
as like his house
and I think
like Life magazine
like exhibited it
like this was really cool
Hitler's like you know
this is this is
this is you know
this is bullshit you know
but uh
you know this idea that
and he said too like a lot
you said America had some great things
that came out of Hollywood and some great music
but also had some like decadent bullshit
you know what he called race music
I mean that's what people call it then
But this idea that, like, you just had contempt for America,
or was, like, it is totally asinine.
You know, and, um, the, uh, you know, and it's,
and I mean, at the end of the day, too, like, I, again, like, even the, uh,
Germany's geo-traategic exposed, oh, and interestingly, too, like,
you know, and I mean, Hitler said, uh,
it was, Europe's literally impossible to defend in depth.
Even if the 1914 border was restored, it wouldn't matter.
And, you know, he said,
where Germany is both surrounded, completely hemmed in.
You know, he said, moreover, in the age of the airplane,
you know, he said, like, any German population center
can be struck in a matter of hours.
You know what I mean? Like, it's, like, again, like, this idea that,
like, Americans just don't understand this.
Like, I realize that when people, when this,
like, the Zionist war against Russia,
commenced in 2022.
Like,
girls with the politics,
like,
like,
like allowing standoff weapons
to be based,
like,
200 miles from your capital,
like,
that's not an act of war.
That's not like an existential threat to your existence.
You know,
it's like,
I,
I don't think people understand,
like,
I think people think that,
like,
everyone else on this planet is,
like,
some version of America.
It's like the size of a continent,
you know,
like any,
you know,
any,
any military enemies you have
are basically,
you know,
like,
a thousand miles away at minimum
I don't think they
as the crow flies
in
1998 like the border of Czechos
the border of Czechoslovakia
was now the Czech Republic
to Berlin
I mean it's like it's less than
two hours like by car
if I'm not mistaken
you know it's like this idea that like
oh you know allowing
allowing a
you know
allowing a French to base or whatever aircraft
after they can devise, you know, an hour or so from our capital.
Like, that's no problem.
You know, we'd be war mongers if we objected to that.
Like, I, it's completely, it's completely insane.
But, um, I, uh, you know, that's, uh, and that's also, too, like something I, uh, and Simms
makes this point too.
One of the, uh, one of the, one of the reasons for the, at least in the Hitler's case,
is his personal perspective.
One of the reasons for the brutality in the East, the Ostfront,
obviously it's the ideological challenge of communism,
which just had to be eradicated in the estimation of the national socialist culture.
The fact that the Soviet Union declared it didn't honor any,
you know, any laws and convention to customs of war,
it only abided its own revolutionary imperatives but also um you know the the contiguous continental space
germany needed i mean that it wasn't that germany hated like quote hated slavs but the nazis hated
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And Hitler even said in the second
book, he said at a future time,
if the Bolshevik yoke,
you know, what he called like, you know,
the like the um you know a russian national rather than a jewish capital orientation and
hitler's words could come to pass in russia like it wouldn't be off the table for some kind
of alliance with the russians in the future but that's not where we're at now and right now
we're facing oblivion i mean that was really the that was really the what underlay the kind of like
rass and creek in the east more than anything it's not we hate slavs and let's annihilate them
because we hate them. And I was glad that Sims
made that point. They're not going to be wrong.
There were, especially among the ranks
of Baltic Germans, people like Rosenberg
and Prussians who
had been like marinated in kind of
the culture of Rassan Krieg.
I mean, because like they, that's what their people
were steeped in for centuries.
They did hate Russians
and I'm sure they viewed them as subhuman.
But it's generally like that wasn't, you know,
that wasn't like some,
There was some grand racial theory of why the Slavs are subhuman or something.
But that's, yeah, we're coming up on the hour.
I think, I think, I think, I think we'll call it.
Is this said on the subject or do you, or do you?
Yeah, we can do. I think a concluding episode might be good, but because I still have some
order to stay, but I don't want to, I don't want to tell you your business in terms of.
No, no problem. Yeah, I think wrapping this up, uh, one to wrap this up would be great.
do some plugs
and we'll end it.
Yeah, man.
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Appreciate it. Until the next time. Thank you. Yeah, likewise, man.
I want to welcome everyone back to the Peking Yon-A show. Hey, Thomas. How are you doing?
I'm doing well. I realize I kind of look like a hobo. I'm getting over a really
severe flare up.
So I,
I'm not 100%.
So that's what's going on.
I didn't,
I didn't just like sleep in my clothes last night
and then like drag myself off my computer,
even if it looks that way.
So forgive me for that.
Well, yeah, if we,
since this is a wrap-up show,
if it needs to be a little bit shorter, that's fine.
I think I'll be okay.
Yeah, why don't, okay.
How do you want to finish up this?
I wanted to do,
a retrospective on Hitler's character a bit because
the main biographies of Hitler that are accepted by court
historians are Ian Kirshaw, Alan Bullock,
Yakum Fest, and John Toland. Although Toland increasingly,
I mean, he's been dead for many years, but increasingly
he's no longer considered part of the canon because he
you know
people who want to
finesse their ideological prejudice would say
like oh he humanizes Hitler or he minimizes
the severity of
you know
purported
you know fascist evil and things
but
if you're going to deal with Hitler in any meaningful capacity
you kind of have to
you kind of have to
you have to rebut
those
allegations
and
those kinds of
speeches claims
but you know if you're dealing
with any tyrant or any
warlord or any
or any great leader
you've got to
you've got to both identify
his analogs
and you've also got to identify
what sort of psychological
processes particularly symbolic psychological processes
animated him in his vision.
Okay.
And this is controversial, even for people supposedly on the right,
like I read this, I've been reading a lot of Hitler biographies lately,
only to my manuscripts.
I'm writing too many scripts.
I'm working on Steel Storm, but I'm writing this Nuremberg book,
and I realize that character evidence of the equivalent
isn't just positive of anything.
It's not even formally admissible,
but so much of the Nuremberg indictment
kind of orbited around what supposedly
was in the mind of the furor as like the seminal command authority
that's something's got to be addressed.
So, you know, it's just kind of refreshing,
my recollection, you know, kind of on what,
on what the primary claims are.
And, um,
Russell Stolphy's book, which is a,
splendid rebuttal that I was reading
this really good review by this guy who
I think periodically writes for
countercurrents and I got like
halfway through it and then he
and he starts shrieking about how awful
it is that Stolfi claimed
that Muhammad was an analog
to Hitler. I mean apparently because this guy has got
some like cultureized prejudice
against Muslims or something. That's
a completely fucking idiotic.
They're like people still think that way
or that they essentially just kind of
apply those same conceptual biases. It's
just, you know, kind of with reverse colors to the historical analysis.
And plus, like, Muhammad was a great man.
You know, like they can't, he wasn't, he wasn't what his believers think that he was.
But, and it's not some slamming Muslims either.
You know, they worship the same God I do, however incomplete their interpretation is.
But saying, like, Muhammad wasn't one of the greatest men ever lived.
It was like saying Julius Caesar was a second raider.
It's just idiotic.
but um
moving on from the
kind of tangential complaint
um
I believe
and even if I didn't
um
what historians
claim which makes sense
even if they weren't dealing with a figure as kind of
monumental and
controversial as Hitler
you know like the man Hitler
became
was kind of
that kind of character
trajectory was set when he was about
18 years old, which is generally the case, especially for males, I think, like when I kind of develop
their sort of visionary ambitions. But, you know, that was right when Hitler's mother died.
And that's also when he, you know, suffered his first major disappointment when he applied
to the Vienna School of Fine Arts, and which Hitler was not rejected for being, quote,
terrible artist. He was told that he was a great architect, but that, you know, he obviously
that for his skill set lay so that, you know, he was accepted into the architecture program and
told that, you know, fine arts were not really his forte. And, um, a, uh, not having attended
a real school and not having the credentials to pursue that alternate track, um, you know,
we that basically cut off that career trajectory um unless he was able to find somebody to kind of act as a
patron in a strange city that wasn't very likely but the um one of the things that's claimed about
Hitler is that oh well you know Hitler had this un uh had this unhealthy relationship with his mother and
then and then this kind of things like steeped and like Freudian nonsense obviously these kinds of
claims, but that also that Dr. Block, who
was an oncologist who treated Hitler's
mom, that, oh, Hitler obviously came to hate Jews, because Block was a Jew
and just blamed him for the death of his mother. That's not at all true, and Hitler
actually thought really highly a Dr. Block.
In a rebuttal to that
kind of off-repeated claim,
Block said to Collier's magazine during the war,
he said, I'm probably like the most privileged Jew.
like you'll find in Germany or Austria today.
I don't believe that's an accident.
And when Hitler told me that
he owed me a great
debt of honor for caring for his mother,
apparently he was sincere.
Okay? That's straight from the horse's mouth.
But
I do believe
Hitler's upbringing was very strange.
You know, Hitler's father, Alois,
he kind of exemplified what was wrong
with the Hathbury Empire.
And something Tolan says, which I think
not off base is that um you know Hitler alois was a tyrant he was just kind of a mean guy
he beat his family especially Hitler's older brother alois junior alice junior was Hitler's half
brother and his father terrorized him and you know um alois ran away from home at 14 and never
came home which speaks for itself but um you know uh after alois ran away Hitler was kind of the
of his dad's, you know, kind of bullying.
And his dad was a, Hitler wasn't poor,
despite what some people claim either.
Like, the family was solidly middle class.
Hitler's father was, he joined the border guards or the custom service.
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With the frontier guards.
Like basically like, fake like kind of homeland security meets,
immigration and customs enforcement.
So he's basically a cop.
You know, he joined this.
he joined up at 18, retired at 58, you know, so he had this like solid pension and he was, you know,
he had a lot of, he had a lot of clout, like, within that institution.
And, you know, like, Hitler viewed him as this kind of like, is this kind of like crude
ignoramus who had sort of like a reverence for authority for its own sake, you know,
um, in those days we'll get into this, it was actually illegal to sing the German national
national anthem. It was illegal to display images of Bismarck and other like patriotic iconography.
You know, the, um, we talk about a nationalities problem in, in the Soviet Union. Like the
Habsburg Empire had the worst nationalities problem like ever seen. Okay. So, um, it was just kind of like
authoritarian bureaucracy that was aiming at suppressing like everybody's, um, you know, kind of nationalist
or self-consciously, like ethnic,
healing. You know, so in Hitler's mind, from very early on, Hitler was self-consciously German,
which makes a lot of sense. You know, this kid who lived on the frontier of the Hasbrook Empire,
you know, basically, you know, as a minority around a, you know, around a bunch of other minorities.
But it's, um, I don't think it's off base to suggest that one of the reasons Hitler came to hate
the Hasbro regime, like not the emperor himself, like he, or anything like that, but there's like
you know, the regime that propped it up.
He identified that with his dad. He really was just like a bully.
You know, and, um,
Hitler's dad died, you know, when Hitler was 13 years old.
He just had, like, a mansup heart attack.
You know, on the one hand, uh,
on the one hand, that kind of freed the family from his,
from his brutish tyranny.
But, you know, um, he, the family got a pretty,
they didn't fall into punery or anything because they had,
like, a decent pension.
But Hitler's older brother had run away years before.
Hitler's four younger siblings of Hitler's had died.
You know, Hitler's mom, even before she got cancer, was kind of unwell.
You know, Hitler was like the man of the house at 13 years old.
You know, it's not, that it was not an easy thing, you know.
So this idea, too, that Hitler was just kind of like layabout, like idiot or something,
who, you know, just
you know, had an act to grind with
his daddy and wasn't doing anything
in his kind of care for his
adolescence as regards, you know,
real responsibility. Like, that's
nonsense too.
But what's fascinating to me
is that some of these
formative things,
like not just fascinations, but
conceptual, um,
but by the conceptual fixations
like emerged like around
this time. Like before
after Al Lewis
senior had retired
he bought this like gentleman's farm
you know he was trying to live this
like kind of country squire life or something
and like the farm failed
because you know Al-Ois didn't know what he was doing
and he actually was
Al-Ois actually was kind of drunkly about
you know like when he wasn't you know doing his
border guard
you know policeman thing but
the
um
after
after that the family moved
to
this apartment house
that was right across from this Benedictine monastery
and
the school year of 1897
1898
Hitler
the path he walked the school
went
it went through this gate
abutting the Benedictine
premises
specifically the monastery
and there's a stone arch in the center of it
and like very prominently was carved
in the monastery's coat of arms
like a swastika
which I don't think that's accidental
that you know that
and that's why I raised the people
who say like no Hitler was signaling to these people
in the tool society that
you know he he was some of a culted pagan
And like, no, no, no, no, that's not the case.
Swazquez were ubiquitous and in medieval and Gothic, freezes and things.
And the kind of gothic, the kind of mini Gothic revival, you know, that was emergent, you know, really for a few decades, you know, from about like the 1870s or 80s.
I'm not at all like an architectural historian or anything.
But, you know, approximately around the time when, you know, like Hitler was coming up, that that kind of thing was still prominent, particularly in some of the kind of suburbs and excerpts of Central Europe, from these, you know, from these, um, Baroque cities, of course, like Vienna.
But, um, it's, um, and interestingly, um, Helene Hofschvangel, who is Putsi Hofstengel's wife. I mean, obviously, um, and Hofstangels.
Osstangel was kind of a buffoon and he became very much on the outs with Hitler and even
even when he was even when he was in the good graces of the kind of core of the
of the National Socialist Party he never really got any respect but his wife kind of
before Magda Gerbils became Hitler's like top of not and arguably kind of like
de facto first lady the third rike like helene hofsnagel kind of filled that role and
Hitler told her that you know during this time he um he considered becoming a priest
you know because he's like this is this is like a higher calling for you know that's it's not
it's not sullied by you know these guys like worldly things that you know um i don't want any part of
and you can you know you can surround yourself with art you know but do it in a way that you know um
you know, people can index with, you know, in their worship and things.
Like, it's very interesting because that's the only kind of,
despite a lot of fake quotes and a lot of speculation,
like Hitler never said bad things about Catholicism.
Like he just didn't, but you never said anything particularly praising of it either.
Let me ask you a question.
During the Strasser debates, does he refer to himself as an atheist?
No.
Okay.
No, and that's why, um, most, uh, notably in the December 11th speech, he mentions Providence or God
over half a dozen times. And I mean, it's a constant, um, it's a constant, uh, motif, you know, um, but that's, um, well, that's, that's a, that's a discussion for another time, because there's,
a lot there, but no, he, that's, that, that's absolutely
asinine. What people do is they take, they take, they take, they take,
either, like, totally confabulated quotes from gurbos or something,
they're just, like, made up, or they take actual quotes on some buffoon, like,
Borman, like, you know, mouthing off on much he hates the Catholics and saying,
like, see, like, you know, the Nazis were seat, worshipping Jews,
wanted to burn all the churches. You know, like, Bormon said so when he was, like,
three sheets to the wind and talking shit, you know, like, um,
but the um you know it uh the um there was something uh you know even in um even in a place kind of like
it's cultured as like hasburg austria you know i don't mean like culture necessarily in
consa poland terms though it was that too but you know there was there was this kind of like
deep reverence for the arts and things you know like just saying um when when hitler was asked
other than this kind of brief dalliance with the with the idea of becoming a priest you know
Hitler, when he was asked
what he was going to be, like, what his career was
going to be, he'd always say, like, I'm going to be a great artist.
And the adults would be like, well, you know, you have to have a
proper profession, you know, like, it, uh, you know, so it's not,
it's not as if he, these, these were, like,
flights of fancy that, you know, were encouraged by some, like,
doting mother who's just out of it, you know, like,
like, not even remotely, but it, um,
the, um, it was around, uh,
it was around this time, too, Hitler realized he could draw.
he uh from the time um you know he's about up in our system like fifth or sixth grade age you know like 11 or 12 years old um
he'd start uh surreptitiously sketching um one of his school chums named wineberger the vineberger
you know he relayed um that uh he watched over several days as hitler like you know
you know, in class when they were listening to some lesson or another,
Hitler, he recreated from memory the castle at Schaumburg and just like sketched it out.
You know, um, any early on in life, like other kids looked at him as a leader.
You know, um, what's fascinating to me, too, was that his favorite stuff to read was, uh,
stories by James Fenimore Cooper and kind of his German,
his German imitator or kind of counterpart was Carl May
who also wrote Western stories
but uh you know the kind of the
the Cowboys and Indians you know
kind of genre like came from James Fenimore Cooper
you know like Hitler's a kid
actually taught himself to throw a lasso
which I think is hilarious
but um
he'd uh
his uh
like those who remembered him
you know, this was multiple people
said that Hitler always wanted to play cowboys and Indians,
you know,
um,
and,
you know,
he talked about America as this kind of,
like,
wild a place,
but also this kind of,
like,
like,
the land of odds of,
like,
you know,
infinite power,
infinite wealth,
but also like wild people and,
you know,
like warriors and like,
you know,
um,
it's,
I find that,
I find that fascinating,
you know,
know, it's like, this like little Austrian kid.
Like, that's what he's getting into.
But, um,
according to Hitler,
he said, and, um, and then this tracks, um,
by what is, um,
sister Paula told him,
um, Toland, as well as other, uh,
as well as other, um,
witness testimony, which I have no reason to think is incredible.
Um,
Hitler, uh,
he became,
fixated on these two, like,
historical mega,
that were dedicated to the Franco-Prussian War,
which obviously was loomed hugely in the minds of Germans.
You know, I mean, that was their great victory, you know, like,
and the kind of, the kind of finest hour of Prussian arms.
But it's also, you know, Europe in the 19th century, like, didn't go to war, really.
You know what I mean?
There was the Franco-Prussian war.
There was the Crimean War.
you know but after waterloo like there wasn't there wasn't any um there weren't like major engagements
you know that that that involved you know have a dozen countries and millions of men you know that's why
that's why so many european mercenaries ended up you know fighting the war between the states because
that's where the action was you know it um and hitler uh he became he's
stated by his own
testimony
that the
Boer War was
you know what really imbued him with
like self-conscious patriotism as well as
you know as well as his understanding
that like you weren't German you know
which is fascinating
and um that
like we talked about in a World War I series the degree
to which
the Germans felt a deeply
a deep affinity for the
like they can't be like overstated you know um it uh it was also his um he was about this age too when uh
his his younger brother edmund died of measles and that was the fourth death of one of the hitler children um
so hitler was the only remaining son okay um alois was you know was hitler's half brother but he was like long
gone anyway. His family didn't even know if he was dead or alive. You know, um, the, uh, this is when,
um, this is when, uh, Hitler was kind of forced to grow up, in my opinion, you know, and then
shortly thereafter, you know, Alouis Sr. died. But, um, before he did, um, just a couple
years previously, um, Hitler reached the age where he's eligible to attend either.
gymnasium or a real school.
And his practical
minded father was, you know,
thought of gymnasium was a waste of time.
You know, and for those who don't know, like in those days,
I've known to the European systems like now, but
in those days, you know, gymnasium
would prepare people for, you know,
classical education and
what was then the university curriculum, you know,
a real school was, um, it was like,
you know, a technical and scientific academy.
Okay. Um,
and the
nearest real stool
was located in Linz.
So Hitler
set off for Linz
when he was
when he was like a little kid
you know
he'd pack a rucksack
on his back
he'd quite literally walk for three hours
you know
and sometimes he'd stay over at night
or through the weekend
you know but
this is
that kind of degree of autonomy
and kind of worldliness and like understanding
of like mortal things
that's not think of all the kids in the West these days
you know I mean I
um
you know in a
what the testimony
to Toland is
as most of the other people was
Hitler
this was basically
when Hitler abandoned
like all interest in schoolwork
like viewing it essentially
as bullshit
you know and
Hitler said
quote
I thought that once my father
saw a little progress I was making
at the real school
he would let me devote myself to my dream
whether he liked it or not
um
however Hitler did perform
you know to pass
Joseph Kaplanar was one of Hitler's friends
who provided testimony to
Toland said Hitler
and I find this
significant because other intimate to Hitler
both from his childhood, his life as a young man as well as his later
adulthood. Kaplanar said, quote, he had guts. He wasn't the hothead
but he really was more amenable than a good many.
He exhibited two extremes of character, which are not often seen in unison.
He was a quiet fanatic.
You know, Hitler wasn't like this carpet chewing maniac.
He wasn't this guy who was like yelling all the time.
He wasn't this guy who came off like a tweaker.
You know, there was like this quiet, quiet intensity.
Like dude almost never raised his voice.
He almost never lost his temper.
But he was obviously a fanatic.
You know, like that's the key to Hitler.
You know, people don't understand that.
don't really understand like how we indexed with people the way you did and they don't
really they don't really understand his um like kind of like what what appealed to the people about
him in personal terms as well as in kind of you know idealized terms but um you know kepler
also made the point he said you know he said the board war he said it it kind of he said it like
invigorated us you know not just the kids be adults you know the sense of historical mission and like
a desire for like our own state you know german state you know he said bismarck was our hero
you know he's like um you know we'd sing bismarck songs you know when when um authority figures
were out of out of earshot he was like we'd uh he's like we'd secretly like um you know in private
like salute each other and things you know with hale you know like it's like a lot of this
a lot of stuff that became kind of the key lore of the Nazi party
like literally developed when like Hitler's little kid
on the frontier with other Habsburg Germans
and kind of the world situation was changing in critical ways
this idea that like
Hitler came up with this you know
one day in 1922
because it seemed like a way to kind of
sway public opinion like is ridiculous
you know the degree which Hitler was a product of
of that time
and epoch, particularly the
you know, lins in
the turn of the century.
I mean, don't get me wrong.
There was by no means, like, a politician
or a conventional
political actor,
but nothing
um,
nothing that, uh,
he considered to be, you know,
the, um,
intractable kind of core of the NSDAP
and its ambitions. Like, no, no, that was like,
none of that was strange.
None of that was, you know, issues of first impression or anything like that.
Apparently his first kind of real pageant of the opera, he came from Longgren, the Wagner Opera.
He played at the Linz Opera House.
and um
the uh
in
those that don't know
in long run
um
a key
episode is
uh
king Henry
to assembles
the like the German knights
who are trying to
expel
like the Magyars
which I mean
interestingly you know
with
I mean obviously that would resonate
with
with a Hasford
um
Austrian kid
But there's this
There's this poetic refrain
When the king's addressing the men
That Travis says quote
Let the Reich's enemy now appear
We're well prepared to see him near
From his eastern desert plain
He'll never dare to stir again
The German sword to German land
Thus will the Reich in vigor stand
If you go by his own testimony
As well as you go by kind of the
what can be verified as populated the kind of cultural landscape at the time.
You know, these things that, um, these kinds of key aspects, um, of Hitler's early romanticism,
as well as kind of as the kind of cultural pastiche that, you know, he, he, he wanted a national
social system to become a kind of a vehicle of, um, this stuff developed when he was a kid.
and I think people who
commit themselves to things
of that nature
I mean great and small
I mean obviously I'm not talking about
I'm talking about regular people like myself
not just you know kind of great men of history
like the stuff you really get into
is the stuff like that you get into
before like pre-adolescence
like the stuff you're into is like a teenager
young man comes and goes
it tends to be kind of informed by passion
and in the moment sort of impulses
but like the stuff you get into when you're a kid
when you're like no longer an
infant, but you're not properly
like an adolescent yet. This stuff
you get into when you're like 10, 11, 12 years old.
You can't fully understand
it yet in terms of its
um,
its core characteristics.
That's kind of like what stays
with you as a mature man. You know, like
I think. Um,
it's, uh,
it's somewhat different for women, but like
women have to grow up fast too.
You know, but it's, um, I firmly believe this.
I, um, I think,
it's uh
I think it should be written about more um
but the um
you know
the real kind of um
you know that more than the
uh
than the Vienna
Hitler I think uh
I think informs the
the structure of the
the man's like Hitler the man's like
uh
Kubuzek when people
and I think
Kubuzek is a
something of an unreliable, you know, an unreliable narrator of myth and lore, but I think
his testimony about Hitler, I mean, basically tracks, in my opinion with what other people say.
And it's, um, you know, when, um, Hitler, um, Hitler being told, uh, Hitler was confident based
on, on his, you know, what he'd submitted to other people who were in a position to judge such
things, you know, kind of people in like administrative and gatekeeper roles, okay?
When he, that he was confident that his portfolio would be accepted, you know, to the
school of fine arts. Like when it wasn't, and when the rector said, oh no, but don't be
discouraged, you know, your, your, your ability obviously lies in the field of architecture,
young man, you know, it wasn't just that, it wasn't just that Hitler didn't want to jump
in a bunch of hoops and probably his financial situation wouldn't, wouldn't allow that.
but I mean it was that his whole kind of vision itself and what he wanted out of life and you know the you
know artists are artists of the soul is wanting to participate in something like greater than the cell it's very spiritual you know
this this was crushing in a way it wouldn't be just you know if if hitler didn't land his first job that he coveted or something you know um
and uh immediately after you know like the following month um
that's when Hitler received news from the postmaster that his mother was dying.
So he rushed back to Linz.
He saw a doctor Block again, who when Hitler's mom first fell ill, you know, was the doctor Hitler retained because he had a reputation for being, you know, the best in his field.
the drastic treatments that were available then
involved
um
involved uh
treating the patient with
large doses
like dangerous large doses
of ideoform
um
what's uh
I uh it's basically a kind of crude
for chemotherapy
you know something with the surgery
and somebody where metastasis is already present.
They'd be wrapped, the open wound would be wrapped in claws, gauzes dipped in idiiform.
And an idiiform, one of the side effects is that the patient wouldn't be able to swallow.
Um, you know, it was a, it was, it, it's, it sounds like a kind of torture, you know, um, you know, and Block admonished Hitler that, you know, this, this is a very dangerous procedure and I, there's not any reason to believe that she'll recover, but this is all we can do. And, um, you know, uh, Block explained later in his interviews, you know, he said that, you know, the
procedure was the idiiform itself as a nauseating odor, like chemical odor. It would burn its
wing to the tissues, you know, to kill the tumors ideally. But it was, it basically would
torture the patient, okay? Block said that Hitler's mom was a typically stoic Germanly. He said that,
quote unflinchingly and uncomplainingly
she bore her burden
but it seemed to torture her son
and anguish grimace would come over
him when he saw pain contract her face
speaking of him speaking of Hitler
when
when she died
you know
Block expressed his condolences to Hitler
um
you know
and Hitler
thank Block for everything
he'd done. He assured him that he'd be compensated for the remainder of who was owed, and he was.
The doctor said he saw that Hitler was his Hitler's sketchpad. Hitler had drawn a final
sketch of his mom, like, you know, as she died. And Block said that, you know, he said,
I've seen many deathbed scenes. I never saw anyone so prostrate with griefs, they'd off Hitler.
Now, you know, before people, I mean, Hitler was at the teenager at this point, and before people say,
like, oh, you know, this
represents some sort of
an inappropriate
attachment to his mom or something. Like, Hitler's mom was all that he had.
You know, he had a dead father who'd been a, you know,
a mean bully
who was kind of loathed by everybody. You know, he had four dead
siblings in the grave. He had a big brother who, like,
you know, ran away and never looked back. He had a little sister that he had to
take care of. You know, I mean, I
and plus like losing your mom sucks
I speak from experience
you know I mean like it's
I uh
same yeah
you know um
especially
and it's one thing if uh
it's one thing if you're
you know if you're a married man
and you got you know like a family
and like you know people around you
it's like
you know
at the end of the day like you know
if if you're a single man
it's like your mom and your dad care about you and like
that's about it you know I mean
that's not
that's not playing
some kind of murder or something, but it's
it hits hard if you're a young person
and your mom dies. You know what I mean?
I mean, it hits hard anyway, but
you know, the
and like I said, Block,
he was emphatic.
You know, he said, Hiller,
he's like, obviously, you know, like I was
enjoying
certain privileges and immunities I would not have
if I was not, you know, who I
am under the right
government, this idea that like Hitler like
was seeking revenge against a block or something, and this, you know, took on this, like, anti-Jewish posture.
And that's, that's fucking ridiculous.
But the reason I emphasize this is because it's, like I said, it's not, um, there's not really any way to understand Hitler without, you know,
appealing to kind of symbolic psychological phenomenon.
I mean, that's true for like any, you know, Alexander the Great, very probably murdered his father.
I know that there's there's controversies and people have many, I mean, there's many kind of competing theories, but I, you know, one part because he felt his mother was being disrespected by the, you know, his father's kind of new concubine and became the favored wife and also that, you know, who wasn't Macedonian.
but
you know
and the era parent
would become
you know the child that he
sided with her
but it's
you know you're not going to find
you
you're not really going to find
a kind of squeaky clean
I don't know if that's even the right way to characterize it
your early life
in a
in any truly great man's
biography and
especially he's a Hitler
you know
like Stofi is always
driving home in his kind of
rebuttal biography
of the furor
Hitler wasn't the politician
pretty much in every opportunity
Hitler avoided politics or said this is a waste of our time
or he did manage people
you know like he did Von Poppin
and the kind of legacy
um
the members of the legacy regime
you know, like you don't understand what we're doing here.
Like, you know, we, this is a historical mission.
We're thinking in terms of millennia.
You know, we're not, we're not trying to, we're not trying to come to terms with the
social Democrats with the budget.
You know, we're not, we're not playing this, we're not engaged in this charade of
parliamentarism, you know, um, where, uh, we're engaged in a world historical enterprise,
probably sight unseen since Genghis Khan.
you know,
and I've emphasized
before in my writing as well as in our discussions
the degree to which
Hitler and particularly Himmler
emphasized
Yasa
as well as other aspects of the Mongol
culture.
But you know, Yasa was the oral
legal tradition,
knowledge of which
was restricted
to a dedicated
cast
but the national socialist interest in this kind of thing,
particularly in this subject was nuanced,
but the understanding that we've got this kind of pastiche of peoples
that constitute our civilizational organism
that were scattered to the wind by the 30 years of war.
Now we're trying to create a kind of cohesion therein
and rebuild and bring up our racial stock or cultural stock, what do you prefer, that's become
weakened and is definitely inferior in critical ways vis-a-vis our adversaries.
And we've got to, you know, we've got to create a kind of new European man.
You know, these are things that the Mongols are charged with two in their own way.
I mean, the Mongols, they, you know, the Turks, when they were, you know, a step people,
they, you know, they, they, they, they were like a pastiche of ethnicities, you know, that they'd taken on as Janusers or slaves, and then were like manumitted and assimilated.
I mean, it wasn't, we're not talking about that degree of, of, um, alienage, you know, between German people, but, um, um,
Hitler was correct.
And what he described as, you know, the kind of shattering
catalyst of the 30 years war and, you know,
later modernity on the Germans as a people and thus Europeans as a people.
You know, so that's key.
And, I mean, I, and of course, too, the thing to keep,
anybody who
um
anybody who views himself as
possessing a mandate
um
a providential mandate
a world historical
um
right
if you will
um
anyone who finds themselves in circumstances
where they are
the agent of
of history
or of providence or
of a divine will you know what you're talking about Cromwell or Muhammad or
Philadelphia Napoleon or Genghis Khan you're gonna be forced to set aside
conventional moral considerations because at a at a certain scale and and
and um that that just doesn't apply anymore you know and at certain um the
exigencies presented
do not allow
for individualated
moral judgments. This is reality.
You know?
And people want to pretend like that's
an alien phenomenon to America
or something. It's absolutely not. That's what every
during the Cold War, that's what
every man who took
the oath of office
had to be prepared to
kill tens of millions of
a Soviets.
I mean like that's, you know,
within minutes potentially
you know
so um
Americans don't get to
echo luf and say like oh no that's just
an alibi of
you know
people in the old world who
you don't possess or developed
moral understanding
but um you know the
one of the things about people like
Hitler like Muhammad like Cromwell
despite the kind of dummy
clif's notes
um propaganda
versions of Hitler's
ascendancy or of like
or what these
like Chetnik types
and these Zionists say about like
Muhammad you can be the biggest
con man in the world and like people aren't
going to people aren't going to follow you like you're a prophet
or they're not going to
they're not going to decide you're like a stride
history
and um
you know um
and and just you know
say yeah I agree with you you're a messianic person
just because you say so
that's not the way things
work. Like Hitler was the fear because that's what 80 million people said. You know,
Um, Muhammad apparently was a messenger of God because, well, the entire Arabian Peninsula said he was.
You know, other, Archerromwell was never particularly religious. When he was about 40 years old,
he started claiming he was in communion with God and he had no military experience, but he just
like one day raised an army and uh went and cut the king's head off you know i mean like that
you can um you can't just like decide what you're going to be you know um and you can't you can't just
uh you can't just say like subtle circumstances somehow facilitated this like mythology
being developed after the facts you know so i mean there's that too um i um I um
But I focused on what I did today, because like I said, the main, excluding Toland, obviously,
the main court history biographies of Edolf Hitler.
They claim that Hitler's early life and his purported psychological frailties and pathologies therein,
is what made him evil.
And that coupled with this irrational desire for revenge in the wake up World War I
constitutes like the psychological
landscape of Hitler.
And none of that makes any sense.
but that's why I forwarded on what I did and also I didn't um if people had uh
things I wanted to raise about um the series generally I thought we could cover that but I put
I solicited questions and people didn't really have anything outstanding at least that I
at least it hadn't kind of been asked and answered but that's um that's uh yeah it's what I
got for today man serve being this being kind of brief but like I said you can tell I'm not at 100
send you.
But I hope
Not a problem.
Oh yeah, I hope I hope I think I would like
What's it?
I think I would like to do an episode one day where we just ask the tough questions about
About him.
No, it's fine man.
And I'm always um yeah.
I uh,
people are always getting on me to do a space.
I
I don't really like Twitter as like a platform to do live stuff.
But um,
we should do,
I definitely like to do a stream.
Um,
on Hitler, you know, like basically on our series that we just completed,
but on, you know, outstanding questions and stuff that people want to take up.
Sure. I have a bunch, too. So, um, well,
let's do plugs and, uh, let you get back to heal it up.
Yeah, I'll be fine, man. I mean, I, but yeah, thanks for the well wishes. Um,
you can find me, my once-up shop for all my content is,
It's just my website.
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The podcast and other good stuff is on Substack.
It's real.
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I'm on Instagram and TikTok and all that bullshit.
But like I said, seeking you shall find.
Like, go to my Twitter, go to my website, all of that.
I'm in the process of a...
And, like, a colleague of mine,
we're pointing out of some MERS that at long last
is going to be available on the gum road.
And thanks again for doing the movie series with me.
People are very excited about that.
And it gives me something to populate my gumroad with, as I kind of, you know, diversify products that are available and stuff.
But, yeah, man, that's what I got.
And we'll reconvene later this week and do more stuff.
Thank you.
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