The Pete Quiñones Show - The Inquisition 29: Venezuela - w/ Astral, Stormy, Thomas777, Burden and Dahl

Episode Date: January 9, 2026

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Welcome back, everybody, to the Inquisition. Listeners were calling for the panel to reconvene after Maduro was kidnapped, I guess, for lack of a better term, by the Trump regime. And people want our thoughts. And it's a big topic. We've got a lot to say. We're going to have the full panel here, which means Carl and Jay Burton are also going to be joining us later. Right now, though, me and Thomas sat down to get started, Stormy, Jay, and Peter on the way. Stay tuned for later in the show where Carl pops in.

But Thomas, man, there's many angles here. But I think the best place to start is actually with some of the stuff you've been tweeting over the last couple days. Which, if I may paraphrase, it sounds like you're saying, like, if we want to go Monroe Doctrine, we should go full bore and not this, like, half-assed... I don't even know what to call it, like military. I guess we'll call it a military action. I mean, it doesn't make any sense. I mean, I don't believe what Higgs says in the Pentagon are claiming that this was some incredible operation whereby some sort of, you know, some sort of Delta Force team somehow penetrated Venezuelan airspace, totally undetected, kidnapped the president, despite him being protected by a hospital. opposing force and not a shot was fired or there weren't any casualties or they killed

the thousand Cubans or something. I don't believe that. It's pretty obvious that Maduro was sold out by his own people or by some opposition element that had been curated by the United States or by, you know, some consolation of actors who'd, you know, been bought off or, you know, saw the writing on the wall and sacrificed Maduro to avoid, you know, an escalation of hostilities. You know, so I don't believe that there was some ninja operation whereby Maduro was teleported out of, Caracas or whatever. What doesn't make any sense about it is if you read this indictment that

came down in 2020, that's when Barr was acting AG. It doesn't make a lick of sense. And this idea that there's some Medellin-style cartel in Venezuela that's

trafficking in cocaine, and that's the catalyst for intervening in Venezuela. That's something it's almost like some random AI

generator came up with that. I don't think we've ever done that. I think this is the first time we've ever even used that excuse. Well, I mean, the president, they're trying to rely on the precedent of Operation Just Cause. I guarantee that's why they're proceeding this way.

Yeah. Which is completely, moronic. You know, and I mean, aside from everything else, you don't need an elaborate pretext to intervene in a failed state within America's immediate sphere of influence, you know, and there's nearly even a mention of the fact that, you know, this Camp of the Saints-type invasion of, you know, this kind of wretched lumping elements that would shut up. across our borders, which was in fact a clear and present threat to integral national security. Like, why is that not being discussed? Why are we pretending that?

What's also, too, what's grossly at odds of the reality, if you read the indictment that Barr confagulated, he says that Maduro is a terrorist because he's poisoning American health with cocaine. Now, cocaine's not cultivated in Venezuela. And in 2020, this was righted about the zenith of the opioid crisis where scores of thousands of Americans were dying of heroin overdoses. And the level of the scale of production of Afghan heroin heroin during the American occupation was so voluminous, it outstripped global demand, which is utterly insane. So, apparently there's this pivot to an interdiction and enforcement strategy with respect to drugs, but we're ignoring opiates.

The flood of Afghan heroin when we were occupying the country. was of no concern, but Maduro is an imaginary cocaine dealer, and this is a clear and present threat to American national security and also makes him a terrorist that is staggering

in its stupidity. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life. It's total bullshit. But it's beyond even bullshit is fucking stupid. It's insulting. It's something a child would come up with. It's insulting. Let me ask you

something about Operation Just Cause was Noriega declared like a non-state actor at that time because as I'm reading as I'm reading and watching this basically Maduro is being like

it reminds me of Nuremberg. They're saying that he's like a there is no legitimate government. He's not a legitimate government actor. He's not a legitimate head of state. So we're going to charge him on machine gun charges.

That's insane. I mean, this seems sounds just like the Nuremberg playbook to me. Yeah, but it's exponentially more moronic. With Operation Just Cause, the claim was, and I think basically, operating just cause was, was, was, was preceded as in terms of how America's proceeded in Latin America, whether you're talking about the, the Veracruz occupation,

or the Pancho Villa Expedition or a number of other things. The immediate cad list was the murder of Lieutenant Robert Paz, who was a Marine intelligence officer. And Panamanian Defense Forces just straight up murdered him at this checkpoint. On top of that, Noriego was saying that he was going to make the Panama Canal Zone and no-go zone for U.S. military forces. So Bush said that's an act of war, which it was.

On top of that, Noriega actually was, he himself wasn't a drug trafficker, but he was taxing cocaine as it came through the Panama Canal Zone. And he was essentially refusing to participate in interdiction operations, which after Escobar had put an open contract out on DEA agents and country, that essentially meant that Noriega was collaborating with an enemy actor who was at war with the United States. There's no reason you can't indict a sitting head of state. And Noriega's, the way Bush proceeded, I think, was entirely appropriate. And the broader constellation of power political affairs, the challenges that were being levied, against American power by Escobar and his organization, which was a real cartel. But things like that don't exist anymore.

And even if they did, it's certainly not, there's not narcotics originating in Venezuela. That's preposterously stupid. But the way they're trying to pretend, like on the one hand, supposedly the Trump administration rejects this fiction of the rules-based order, but they're refusing to act in a power political capacity. they're tacitly acknowledging there's not the forces in being the political will or the or the the uh you know the the the ability to it's actually changed the situation on the ground by military means but then they're also saying that this isn't and you know that this isn't um we're not at war with venezuela this is some sort of criminal proceeding

against Maduro but then they but then this but then the DOJ basically redacted and he referenced the cartels because Maduro actually clicked up with with the very good counsel and they're absolutely shredding this alleged fact pattern because it doesn't make any sense

so I mean the whole thing it's competency crisis writ large because these people are these people are complete fucking morons like to say they're stupid like doesn't even begin to it doesn't even begin to describe it these people are staggeringly fucking stupid.

They're lying. Yeah, they're lying. It's also just unbelievably stupid. I mean, like, that's not... Stupid lies. Stupid lies. It's not, if you're going to... And it's, it's not necessary, and it's like, if you want to...

What I... Saying that Maduro's a terrorist because we're going to pretend it's 1990 and he's hitting a cartel, even though there's not any meaningful narcotics, uh, commerce emerging from Venezuela. I can't emphasize how stupid this is. It's totally collusional. You know, it's, and that's the difference. It doesn't.

And also, Aduro is basically, he's a holdover from the, You want to get started, guys? What's that? Let's record that started. Oh, okay. We're recorded. We're going. My bad.

He's a holdover from the Chavez regime, and Chavez, Chavez actually had a lot of clout, you know, and Legacy. said on Ethan Ralph's stream last night. You know, Castro, Castro didn't have the kind of prestige towards the end of his life that he did during the Cold War, obviously. But Castro himself had a lot of clout among Latin American people.

And Castro essentially, you know, declared Chavez to be his successor. as the primary leader of the revolutionary cause in Latin America. You know, but Maduro doesn't have that kind of momentum behind him or credibility with the body politic. And I know people claim that Maduro was some sort of strong man because he survived since 2013 or, something. It's like, okay, but Venezuela is a failed state.

Like, if your country becomes a failed state under your tenure and you manage to merely survive, I, you know, that doesn't, that doesn't somehow suggest that you're some major player, you know, that you're at the helm of, um, manipulating events and, you know, in any meaningful or just positive way. Ultimately, if this comes down to the reason why this happened, it's, you know, Venezuela is a sentencing to the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. Basically, Venezuela needed to be bailed out by massive capital investment. And there's a lot of potential of Venezuela, but it requires broad-based and long-term infrastructure projects.

So essentially they threw their lot in with, you know, the SCO in Moscow and Beijing, which was a wise move considering their circumstances. But obviously, you know, that's of concern to Washington. But it's like, okay, then proceed that way, you know, in terms of these developments representing a power political challenge within America's. immediate sphere of influence. And if you're going to intervene, you know, pursuing the Monroe Doctrine, you need to actually intervene, you know, this kind of half measure or some sort of perfunctory and performative gesture that's worse than doing nothing because it exposes you as weak. You know, so this was about the worst possible course of action, but it's also just staggeringly

moronic. You know, like I said, like it doesn't... Well, I mean, what I've heard from people is, well, we, you know, now that's one less anti-white, you know, South American, Latin American dictator. But you're always white. Well, I mean, how were you going to argue? You can't argue with these people. And they're saying this, they're saying this while there's fucking governors and mayors and, you know, senators and friggin high level politicians in this country who are anti-white. But I guess because you can't do anything about them, it's okay to just go over and just start

fucking with other than it. Like, like this always works out really well, right? I don't, I don't argue with these people, though, because they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, some niggers are white. I don't, I don't, I don't argue with, I don't argue with retards or with helots. And like, they don't understand, like, they are the brown people. It's like, well, if you're descended from the village, idiot. and you're some

you're some like Walmart mega person who thinks he understands who thinks he understands world affairs because he looks at memes like I you know I mean

that that's like arguing with some shitty hobo on the CTA like why would I argue with those people like they are the brown people like being like non-pigmented it doesn't make you white like those people are the N words

like they are the brown people they think they're opposing You know, they're like, Ukrainians, you think that they're Nazis by ethnically cleansing themselves. You know, my point was, is like, okay, so we're suffering this Nuremberg regime for 80 plus years now, the New Deal regime,

and we're going to go and basically try to turn a country that wasn't suffering, was basically doing everything they could to try to not become that, and we're going to turn it into it. And that makes us, That makes our lives better how?

My question was, how does this make my life better? How does this make the nation? How did my people's lives improve by this? And why am I being attacked for saying this is fucking stupid? You might have I say something, guys? Sure, Storm. All right. I think the real problem with this and how it's being discussed is it's being discussed as a win.

Right. And then that's not really how it should be being discussed. The real reason we're having these disagreements with, you know, less educated people who, you know, maybe through events or circumstances find themselves, you know, preoccupied with, you know, trades work or things like that that don't give them time to study these type of things. Right. Is that it's because the administration is presenting it like a huge win because it has been unable. to provide any wins at home. The administration has been forced really through the tempo of Benjamin Netanyahu to spend all of its time focusing on putting fires out outside of the United States. He's a candidate that ran on specifically anti-interventionists, war ending, and fixing all these problems at home. since he's been able to do none of these things because he's allowed himself to be distracted and his focus deterred to the needs of certain special interest groups.

He is now presenting, the administration is now presenting this as a win, presenting it as something that he has done for you and people at home when that's not the case. This is just something a nation should do. you don't allow hostile forces to build up infrastructure, right, in any of these countries. You just simply don't allow it. You don't allow the... Well, yeah, I mean, that's not the... But the thing about it, you just don't allow it, right?

Well, yeah, it's brassics of... And you don't... Hold on. The Chinese are the type of people that... you know, want bad things to happen to America. So basically this is preemptive, right? By removing Maduro, you're preventing the opportunity, right, or the ability to make Americans' lives worse, right?

By preventing this from being used as a jump-off point by countries that hate them, right? This is just things that you should do. It's part of your job. Like, yeah, I saw a fucking, you know, very sketchy-looking guy. you know, that was driving around the neighborhood and in a van had a bunch of like B&E utility fucking tools in his vehicle was scoping out fucking people's houses. So I basically caught up with them and told him like, if you come back here again, I'm going to call the police, I'm going to shoot you. Right. That's not a win. That's just you doing your job, right?

you protecting or you preventing people to use the lands in and around your nation as a jump off point to come fuck with you. That's just your job. It's not a win. Like there should be no fanfare for this. There should be, you know, no. And literally it's all just fucking, it's all Trump and messaging. It's them trying to turn what is their job, things that just should be done into a win because they've been unable to provide it. And because they're doing this, this is going to turn something that should have just been forgettable. Like, oh, the Pentagon did this today. Oh, that's good.

Right. Oh, they stopped a bunch of, you know, Iranian fucking guys or whatever from coming across the southern border. Oh, that's good. And you just scroll right past it. But because they are turning it into this type of big win, this big achievement, it is going to boomerang and blow up in their face. All right.

You are making it this big thing and the incompetence that Thomas was talking about. Now has an opportunity. to fucking detonate in your lap like a bomb and you brought this all upon yourself like this should have been done with zero fanfare this should just be what the fucking president does right the same as it was any other country like if Canada

for him to get on a news conference on Air Force One with Lindsay Graham is just about the worst fucking thing he could have done like why are you parading all the most hated people out go ahead Jay if we just did this though hold on and he didn't say anything and we just found out about it I just scroll through. Like, would we be having this discussion at all?

Yeah, I get mad when I see Lindsay Graham and Trump on Air Force One talking about next we're going to do Iran. Like, what the fuck? Well, I think that we're right to bring up the chaos at home because the Trump administration is on a series of L's. Obviously, the immigration stuff is playing well to their base. but in a lot of other areas, there's a lot of demoralization going on. The MAGA base is in the process of splintering. Some of that is over Israel, Palestine, some is over other issues. But I think a large part of the reason that this was branded in such a dumb way,

that this was branded as, you know, fighting drugs. I think effectively that was for domestic concerns. This was something they wanted to do. There were reasons to do it. And for whatever reason, Trump is, unwilling and or unable, not mutually exclusive, to commit troops to the ground. He's apparently from what I'm reading extremely reticent to do that. And so a situation like this where, to be honest, from my reading, either Maduro was betrayed

from the inside or this was a negotiated situation because look, like, sure, there was some bombing, but flying, you know, several dozen of your most valuable soldiers into a nation's capital with active, air defenses is stupid. I don't believe that's what happened. And so I think honestly, that's a large part of it. Like, how do we sell this to the large MAGA base? Like, I don't know, drugs. It's the cartels. We're fighting the cartels like we said we would. You know, we're stopping the flow of fentanyl. That's that thing that we keep mentioning. And so I think that's probably why this is stupid and it doesn't make sense. Because it's stupid and it doesn't make sense. And to Thomas's point about a crisis of legitimacy, this is something.

we're seeing across the board. This administration is floundering unable to make good on their promises. And yeah, look, like, is there a way to accomplish this goal of getting Maduro out of power that, you know, accomplishes something that needs to be done doesn't create a crisis of legitimacy. Sure, but that would require competent people at the helm. And it's clear that this administration is not competent in that way. But also, so I'm going to keep in mind, too, there's absolutely no possibility of some operation like just cause being realized on the ground of Venezuela that would take a commitment of tens of thousands of combat troops on the ground in Venezuela.

there aren't cartels that's a fiction of it's something in the fevered imaginings of the Department of Justice lawyers and make work Pentagon types but you know FARC is very active still on the Colombian Venezuelan frontier there's all manner of armed groupings and constellations of non-state actors It would amounts to a giant bandit country. You're not going to occupy Venezuela and change the political culture on the ground unless you're talking about a massive commitment of forces and some very serious attrition. Okay. You're talking about real war.

And then you're talking about a hostile occupation while infrastructure is built up and protected. you know and uh venezuel becomes a functioning country again and uh moving forward you know turned into a client state like don't get me wrong that's not impossible but this america can't do that kind of thing anymore you know and it hasn't been able to for decades in my opinion um so anybody talking that always is just talking shit just like when she emails like linds like lisp about how they're going to take down iran it's like puret the illusion. Like the rest of the world laughs at you when you act that way because it's a joke. Yeah.

You know. Let me just add something real quick to what you're saying. This is an excellent point. What we're, what we're doing right now does nothing at all to the paramilitaries in the southwest of the country. What Thomas is talking about it, they're called the ex-FARC mafia. The FARC officially disbanded in 2017, but there's also the ELN down there. There's like 6,000 of them. they're heavily armed with like real military weaponry. They stage real military raids on each other's bases and the military, the Colombian military can't buck with them. What we're doing in Venezuela right now,

which by the way, that's where all the problem is coming from is those guys. They traffic the cocaine through Ecuador and up the Pacific. What we're doing now does nothing to address them. They will be completely untouched as of right now. Yeah. And I mean the, what's also too, I, you know if um i think that there was a soft pot there was a soft power way to prevent the situation from developing where venezuel is a failed state in picking and moscow or kind of picking at the

bones and transforming it into a client regime you know um of the s co uh i uh you know um but america doesn't have any ability to manipulate outcomes through soft power incentives. And, I mean, you actually need a foreign policy establishment to do that. And you also need, you know, you need, on the one hand, Elon Musk has done some good things, particularly on the tech side. But the guy's a political illiterate. And you need people who control capital at massive scale who actually are politically sophisticated. you know

if you want to if you want to endure the superpower there's got to be a kind of integration of of power you know political military

big business these things have to kind of work in concert and there's got to be something of a shared vision and there's got to be an understanding of what common interest entail and then everybody profits. And that's how America won the Cold War.

Okay, moving forward, you can't accomplish those kinds of things with this, you know, kind of scattershot approach that's totally incoherent. That's also colored by irrational ethnocectarian interests, you know, that supersede all else. And then, you know, these kinds of half measures that are, you know, are presented for domestic consumption as being driven by totally obsolescent policy paradigms. But, you know, people in the control element actually believe that that's the raison d'etra, you know, that this is, I, for, forgive me for continuing, come back to this example, but this is Soviet-like, okay? It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's not, um, you know, and there's not, um, you know, like I said, and, and you don't need to be some, you know, a general or, or some sort of, um, brilliant, geostrategic analyst to, to understand that half measures are worse than doing nothing and, in power, in power, terms. You know, that's that's Metternich, Machiavelli,

Bismarck, you know, the Cliffsnose version. If you take nothing else away from the precedent therein, I mean, that's what's clear. You know, and I think that's really at the core of it is

these things, um, well, it's the same thing, too. I mean, like Trump's been he's proven himself totally unable to impact the Ukraine, the crusade against the Russian Federation. And this man is the President of the United States, and he mumbles his way through these prepared statements every time there's some summit supposedly with, you know, the Ukrainians or some sort of conversation with Putin. but he has absolutely no ability to

force an outcome. You know, like that's pathetic. And the rest of the world sees that. And that's one of the reasons why America has no credibility. You know, and this, and people taking things at face value, you know, if this kind of bizarre

pretend indictment of Maduro in lieu of actually altering conditions on the ground, that just looks senile to the rest of the world. That's not, some intimidating flex. It's just bizarre. But the Monroe Doctrine.

Haven't you heard of the Monroe Doctrine, Thomas? Yeah. And if you're going to enforce it, it should actually be enforced, is my point. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's this, this isn't the Monroe doctrine. No. No, that's why.

Well, it's also why I don't, I, there's, this precedes Trump. and like America will pursue a course of abject lawlessness, but then they'll invoke these sort of cobbled together nonsensical rationales that seem to be devised to represent some sort of legalistic cover, but they don't even comply with that paradigm logically. You know, I mean, and it's it's nonsensical, you know, and what's also, too, I mean, I mean, we were particularly hit hard here in Chicago by this invasion from Venezuela of a lumping criminal elements. I'm not exaggerating. There's a bunch of military age males with tattoos on their faces and

criminal records, many of whom are obviously mentally ill who flooded our country. Like, that's cool, but imaginary cocaine dealing is a big problem. I mean, like, this is, that's, it's unconscionable that this was not addressed, you know, other than in, you know, people were acting like including Bondi, including Trump itself, like, there's some sort of accidental state of affairs or just like an oversight in terms of, you know, enforcement or negligence, you know, of the Biden administration. Like, look, this was the Marriold Boat Lift 2.0. It was very deliberate, you know, very much a camp of the same kind of situation. And this had real world consequences that continue to be felt.

If Trump and he would have said, this is unacceptable. And any state that utilizes, you know, migration as a as a detonation strategy is going to be treated as a, as a hostile actor, you know, and we're going to respond with military means and necessary in addition to repatriating every single person. who, you know, is so identified as constituting part of that element. You know, but there's been like nary a word about that. Like, apparently that's okay. Just like, you know, I feel very strong about this,

admittedly for personal reasons, but thousands upon thousands of people have died, people in the prime of their lives, from heroin that was cultivated in Afghanistan, and subsequently fentanyl, a lot of which originates in China, frankly. There's never a word about this. Nobody cares. Or people say that it's good because they hate junkies.

Yet we're supposed to pretend to be outraged about Maduro's imaginary cocaine. Like, that's offensive. You know, there's been Vietnam-level attrition of an entire generation of young people along to the opioid crisis. And people pretending that they can't. care about, you know, America's health being poisoned by cocaine by Maduro the terrorist that's grossly offensive. And I don't think anyone buys it.

Even the people who parrot it, they're just parroting it. They don't, no one buys it. And it's just, it hurts its credibility. Oh, yeah, yeah, exactly. That's why it's worse than doing nothing. Yes, too, I don't. I know that Trump had this, there was this bizarre press. conference, I guess, 48,

hours, three days ago now, where he was just kind of like mumbling his way through, like, you know, it's going to take a lot of money, you know, to bring Venezuela back and fix it. It's like, okay, well, what does that entail? I mean, yeah, I mean, and again, is there, is there going to be an occupation of Venezuela that would take probably 200,000 men, you know, with a real combat capability? Like, what firms are going to undertake this infrastructural development?

Like, where is this money coming from? of the taxpayers going to cover it. If it's not from the private sector, is there going to be some sort of dedicated administration? Is Congress going to approve that? Like, you can't just say things. You know, like, what's, what's, you know, and it never, power political affairs

never come down to the decisions of one single man or individual actors. But, I mean, in Maduro's case, the guy was something of a cipher. maintain that. You know, what is, uh, is swapping out Maduro even for, uh, even for a, um, a, uh, a, uh, a sort of client, uh, successor who is very much, you know, uh, in the pocket of the administration, I mean, that, that, that, that, in and of itself, that doesn't, that doesn't do anything, you know, you're, you're, you're, if there's going to be something of a Marshall plan for

Venezuela, uh, there's there's got to be there's got to be a a real program to realize that and i have no reason to believe that there's anything like that i don't even think it's been discussed i know it hasn't because i think you're hearing about it well well if you hear one if you hear one pundit saying it was about the drugs if you hear another one saying it was about the oil if you hear another one saying it was about, you know, that Maduro was a kami poopie head, you know that it wasn't about the Marshall Plan. Because if it was about the Marshall Plan,

that's what we would be talking about. And it would be, I would respect this so much more if he just got up there and said, the regime is a danger to the Americans, to Americans. And we needed to change it. And we're going to get somebody in there who is friendly and is not going to,

send, is not going to facilitate drugs coming here, is not going to invade our borders by sending military age men here, but that's not what we hear. We hear, oh, he's anti, he's anti white. He's, I mean, all this stuff that does, I don't, don't give a fuck. I mean, there's literally anti-white people in my fucking county. Well, I mean, what the fuck? Well, also, yeah, I mean, it, uh, well, also like these like these fagot types who claim to be like all fixated on like what's anti-white they're they're like they themselves like aren't white so i don't i don't know i don't know what they're talking about you know like i said they're they're helas well Walmart people aren't white but that's uh

sort of a different question but no it's uh there's um a naked irrationality to it plus two you're just you're just not going to hear about this again there's going to be because Maduro actually does have real counsel. He's probably going to beat some of the, I mean, they're, they're going to trim the indictment. And if whatever remaining competent assistant, assistant district attorneys are still at DOJ, assuming it comes across, assuming the indictment comes across their deaths proverbially, they're going to clean it up and make it appear more rational.

And, you know, obviously there's no way they're going to allow Maduro to be acquitted. But, you know, you're going to... So in a couple of years, like, you know, he'll be in the news cycle again because of his show trial. But you'll just, like, not hear about Venezuela again. You know, it'll be like Trump's pretend war against Iran, where these obsolescent, uh, strategic bombers, uh, dumped conventional payloads on some, like, empty parking lot in Iran. And then Trump went on TV and mumbled about how he killed the final boss of the imaginary Iranian nuclear program. And then he just like never heard about it again.

You know, it's all, it's all chafib and like pretend garbage. So what do you guys make of a line that I'm hearing from kind of the neo-Con right, which is basically saying, you know, you, you woke right idiots predicted that, you know, this, our involvement in Venezuela would turn into a quagmire. you predicted that our involvement in Iran would turn into a quagmire. And don't you feel stupid now? Because we were able to do it in just, you know, one raid. Obviously, that's not a criticism made in good faith. But what do you make of that line of reasoning? Because it's just, it's more, it's more late Soviet, you know, propaganda,

Trump's reality, you know, memes are, you know, supersede, you know, you know, substantive analysis. You know, I mean, I you, if the metric, I mean, what are the parameters here? It's, yeah, okay. I mean, if the metric is America wins, because

if, you know, a basically insignificant chief executive of a failed state is hailed into court for a, for a show trial, I mean, if that's your objective, I, okay. I mean, that, that, that, that, That's a pointless objective. You know, the ability to alter outcomes on the ground.

I just laid out what it would take in order to purge PRC and Russian influence in Venezuela. And in loose terms, I described what it would take to build up Venezuelan infrastructure to the point where these sort of hostile and revolutionary elements wouldn't really have an avenue of ingress into the corridors of power. Okay, there's not some countervailing prospect for how that would be realized. I'm talking about reality. Like declaring that if you drop bombs on sand, or if you negotiate the capture of, you know, an irrelevant cipher who was, you know, sitting in the presidential palace, okay.

I mean, again, that's a meaningless. objective. To Jay's point, my stance on this is that the people who are screaming, the sky is falling, we're going to invade Iran, we're going to invade Venezuela, we're going to get bogged down in a quagmire. I simply think they're just as dishonest as the neocons

just in the other direction. Yeah. Thank you. Well, I mean, you don't have to say that you're going to get bogged down in a quagmire. We started bombing Somali in, what, 98, 99, 2000, and now there's a Somali and now there are Somalis like all over the fucking United States. Invaded Afghanistan and didn't get out in 2000.

And, you know, didn't get bin Laden because he escaped to Pakistan, decided to stay there. Now Afghanis are killing or murdering people, people that we brought over. I mean, people who helped us there are killing Americans in the fucking street. Look.

Yeah. Look, I mean, sorry that I understand that history sometimes takes two decades to happen. But is this going? going to, I mean, El Salvador is now the safest place in the Western Hemisphere. Do you know how many people who emigrated from El Salvador in the last 15 years have gone back to El Salvador? 0.05%?

You think these Venezuelans are going back? Do you think these Venezuelans are going back? You're out of your fucking minds. You fucking people are retarded. That's another retarded fucking argument I hear. No, whenever it seems like since the 1970s, when Jewish influence has just, I mean, absolutely swarmed the United States government. Whenever we go somewhere, whenever we do something somewhere, those people end up here.

You bomb someplace to end up here. You bomb someplace to end up here. Or look at Europe. Europe just gets fucking flooded just because, you know, I mean, Ireland, Ireland was neutral in the Second World War. Oh, so they need to be punished. so you're going to send every retarded prisoner from the Middle East, you know, in Africa to them.

Yeah. Why are you fucking? Look, you know, I know we're not libertarians on here. At least I'm not anymore. But Ron Paul said in 2008, he ran on the platform of bring the fucking troops home and put him on the border.

Let's protect the homeland. If you go searching for, if you go bombing places, those fucking people end up here. But not through like, And if, and if this was really about drugs, you'd be invading Mexico and going to war with the fight, you know, and making sure that Mexico, because that's right on our border. But no, they're like, oh, but they're casualties, but we'll take casualties. Okay.

At least there's a fucking, at least there's a better, there's a better reasons to go to, to invade Mexico. Also, if Americans, Americans think it's funny if, if drug addicts die, like if you're a drunk addict, Americans hate you. Like, don't believe for a second that Americans care about drugs. You're, you're, um, Americans have more contempt for, for people they brand as addicts than almost anybody. You're, uh, you're an approved hate target. Like, let's just clarify that these, that's not, that none of this is inherent in the American character itself, right? These are not like things Americans believe. These are things that a particular group of people,

have basically forced Americans to be bathed in 24-7 in a vile type of cultural propaganda. This is none of the things that Thomas is saying, none of the things that I'm saying, none of the things that Pete is saying about these people. Why do Walmart people exist? Because they've been forced into, basically an inch above being homeless,

forced to live in an attenuated existence on the verge of homelessness and penury, right? A type of serfdom that is more cruel, more unusual, and on much harsher terms than any peasant in the Middle Ages, right? Any serf in Tsarist Russia. So there's no personal fault of these people. These people have been bathed in, frankly, Jewish propaganda.

It's very easy to hate the drug addicts because then nobody to worry about cleaning them up. That might get you Hitler. A lot of the solutions to a lot of the problems that Americans find themselves very cold to, if you were to let their own, you know, morals guide them to solutions around these problems or whether they found them morally offensive. Well, that might get you Hitler. So it's much easier and much safer to make them this indifferent. and then make them, you know, basically view the smashing of, you know, other nations for their either lack of support to varying degrees of design as entity, we'll give them that as entertainment.

And that's how so many of them are treated, because none of the people in the entire government apparatus that claim to represent them and care about them actually do. So they have to live vicariously. None of their leaders, including the current one, actually gives the fuck about improving any of their lives. So they have to substitute basically watching, you know, foreign policy machinations play out.

And like a battered kid that's being told like, oh you're you know I'm doing this for you right it sounds stupid and we make fun of them but that's that's all they got I feel like we're saying about the manufactured

opinions about drugs and drug addicts applies to the refugees quote unquote refugees in Europe as well it's the same it's the same fucking scenario yeah it's the same thing like do you think our women all of a sudden just thought it's a good idea to fucking kill their own children right or genetically mutilate or what's called generally mutilate them you think they came up

with that idea themselves no like people are not most people are not cut out for this type of shit nor should they a person should be able to go about their life right and go about the task at which god assigned them and made them best able to execute right the fucking painter should be allowed to be a painter. The fucking builder should be allowed to be a builder as God intended. It's not these people shouldn't have to care about this shit. They shouldn't have to sort through any of the stuff. Like their cultural apparatus should just exist to basically reflect back their culture and their ideas. They shouldn't have to defend themselves from a culture that's literally trying to get them to kill themselves. People need certainties. They don't need problems.

You know, that that's the whole, that was the whole point of the trial of Socrates. And I agree with Sorrell, Socrates actually deserved to be executed. But I agree. At the same time, there is, it does not speak well of Americans that, like, Lindsay Grand can be seen in public, like, without getting his face bashed in. Like, there's something wrong with Americans that, like, they tolerate subhumans like this, having the ability to manipulate policy. you know, I mean, it doesn't I don't understand how he gets elected. He has less than 10% support

in the state that he runs. There aren't elections in America. That's how. Like, none of the people have any support. You know, that's my point. Yeah, but he, you know, the, this, you know, the man, the man should

be in fear of his life every minute of the day. And like in a normal society, he would be. So it doesn't speak all of Americans that these people, are allowed to just kind of go on their merry way, you know, without getting dealt with. And to Thomas's point, I think the biggest problem that a lot of right-wingers have to kind of understanding things the way that we do. The biggest barriers, they think that bio-Leninism is something that only exists on the left, that the mechanism only exists on the left. We have our own bio-Leninism. Same mechanism.

Same mechanism, just different ideology. You could call it Zio-Leninism. This is exactly why we can't fucking put a court case together that doesn't sound like a fucking, the punchline to a joke, or why we can't have a coherent policy that also doesn't sound like the punchline of a joke. These people are ineffectual, not by like happenstance.

the metastatization of this ideology and the people behind it through the systems of government. It has physically degraded the human capital in there because we have been forcing ideological adherence to trump competence in our personnel selection. And this feedback mechanism goes on and on and on and on. So we can make fun of all the purple-haired freaks all we want. we're no better. Yeah, I think generally at,

mainstream conservatives are my main ops. I mean, I've made that point again and again. Yep. And that's one of the reasons why I, you know, increasingly it's less of an issue, but I used to I used to get approached by

people a lot who'd say they wanted to collab with me on stuff. And then I realized these people have never, like, read my content. And then they get mad at me because I'm not, I mean, I don't know what I can think. Just by, like, looking at me, it's like, how can you think I'm, like, some fucking Republican, but...

I don't know. I think you'd look good in a polo shirt. I know, but, you know, I... And then they get, like, all affronted and, like, deep in their feelings because it's, like, I don't hold those values. I don't think that way, you know? And, uh, I... I think that's a lot more...

caustic. I mean, despite what you see in legacy media and stuff, and despite what people on the internet say, like, nobody actually likes liberals. Like, they're, they're, they're gross and they're cringe. And, you know, nobody wants to be associated with that. Nobody looks highly upon that kind of thing. It's, you know, something people experience kind of

natural revulsion around, you know, in contrast, this kind of boozy conservatism, whether it's people are actually committed to these perverse values, or if it's just kind of go along and to get along sort of tolerance for that sort of thing, that that's very, very corrosive. And that's a real obstacle to corrective measures. and socially hygienic solutions. You know, so if you don't, people who can't make that sort of leaped, understanding that conservatism is your enemy. Most of the I had issues with Alex Linder,

and not personal ones, we just disagreed on a lot of stuff. And he, you know, we, he periodically, say some kind of unflattering things about me. But one thing he was right about was that, you know, conservatives are your enemy. And he'd drive that point home again and again. He said, if you can't make that connection, you're not, you're not in the game.

You know, you're just some, you're just some regime loyalist who doesn't like immigrants or something. or, you know, you don't, there's, you, you're mad because, you know, you sent your kid to public school and they, they got filled up with bad ideas or something. You know. That's 100% right. Yeah. So, I mean, that's why, uh, but I'm also a, you know, it's like I told the guys in Portland, when, when the Portland weavers asked me to sit on their panel at their event.

You know, I'm like, look, I'm an outlaw. And I'm totally okay with that. And if you're not, if you identify with this regime, if you think that you've just got to convince 51% of people that, you know, we need lower taxes and West Mexicans, you're not part of this, you know. Or, I mean, I don't know what you're part of, but it's nothing that I fuck with. You know, so. So what are you offering in replacement, right?

Like, do you agree with these ideas of, that you current, exist in, you just want them executed a little better, a little nicer, a little cleaner? Or are you completely accidentally adjacent? Are you just, you know, we're, if that's what you think, then

you haven't taken anything from these spheres. We want a different thing. Yeah. And it's also, it's you know, Hitler made the point that, you know, the conservatives and his day, they'd cower behind the national

socialist, you know, when, when race war was in the running, or when they needed someone to protect them from the communists in the Berlin or the Munich Street. But then as soon as things stabilized, you know, they were the first ones to

say that the guns of the regime should be turned on us. You know, and I, you see it with conservatives too. Like, they act like, during like the summer of Floyd and stuff, Like all these dudes, like, all these like Joe conservative guys suddenly like decided like they wanted to pretend to be my friend or something. Like they're the same guys who like would like never be seen in public with me and like call me a junkie and a piece of shit and stuff. But then like when they get scared, like suddenly like they they want to put on errors or something.

Yeah, they want to click up. That far is like Peter Brimlow. Like when we and Byrdon see Brimlow, he's always. like really cool to us and he like he like sat next to us at the virginia event because you know he's not uh he's not he's not he doesn't act some kind of way about like being seen talking to me or something i'm not like really sensitive i'm not like here to be liked or make friends or something but i do like resent it that there'll be all these guys who they'll like plagiarize my shit or like they're my friend and then just talk shit about me you know and that it's

evidence of what I'm talking about. Conservatives are there to siphon off and draft off your energy because they can't reproduce it. They also... They also just... They want somebody to cower behind when they're afraid. You know, and then when things normalize,

like they don't... They... You know, they'd be the first ones to say that, you know, people like me should be locked in prison. Yep. And they're forced to make promises. They're forced to make promises. and constantly over promise and under deliver, right?

Because they're not their promises. We're the only people that have that, whatever you want to call it, factor, right? We're the only people with ideas that really, that are compelling and move people. So they have to kind of ape them, because it's the only way to gain any type of real energy, but it dissipates quickly because they're not their ideas.

their ideas. They're not their promises. But all that they've done is really, like, is this like the Department of Homeland Security Twitter account posting, you know, a nation of a hundred million is like, okay, cool. Like, you can, you can steal our images. You can steal our memes and our ideas, but you're not going to deliver on them. You physically can't deliver on them. So all you're doing is over-promising. You're selling somebody else's promises. They're not yours. So what is that going to do long-term? Right. It's like a, I said it once a second. It's a deceitful death sentence. It doesn't seem like you're killing yourself, but you are. When you try and steal our ideas and make our,

our promises, your promises. But then all you really actually want to do is preserve the regime a little bit longer just with you in charge of it. Well, I think a lot of these people also, they're not, they're not capable of understanding the historical situation. I agree with that. And so, I mean, just in categorical terms, anybody who's talking about, anybody who's talking about 20th century style of government as if it's still relevant or this perennial thing,

they don't know what they're talking about and um people can tell me that that's abstract but it's really not because especially these days only only technology and and things and uh odd aspects of uh the way um certain domains of human activity has been expedited and uh thing, you know, the, like, history really has sped up. That's not just perception, and it's not just something that global systems theory types are like, you know, Emmanuel Wollerstein types say.

So, I mean, there are, and even over that not the case, I mean, you've got to, you've got to tailor practice as to what's underway historically, regardless of if, you know, you'll live to see it come to fruition within your individual lifetime. or not but I you know I I I realized when I first kind of rejoined the world about six years ago now that the overwhelming majority of people identify his right wing they don't understand historical situation so I'm just not going to connect with them in like ontological ways you know because they've got these conceptual biases that can't be overcome so they don't

understand what the fuck I'm talking about, you know, which is fine. I'm not saying everybody needs to agree with me or something, but the people who are proceeding according to totally, totally, you know, irrelevant epistemic priors. I mean, what are these, what's going to come to fruition by associating with these people? I mean, nothing, you know. Plus, it's got to be proactive. You know, the reason I'm always driving home social capital, you've got to organize your life around these principles. It's not some like passive thing where you're like, oh, yeah, I agree with that. Or, you know, I, I, I, I refuse to participate in X, Y, and Z because it's harmful.

No, you've got to actually be proactive. You've got to, like, secede from regime shit in the way you live your life. And people aren't willing to do that. Well, they're not, they're not with us. There's just internet guys. Several things I want to talk about with regards to this. you've seen a lot of kind of consternation at the chest beating coming from the American MAGA movement. People, you know, rightfully bringing receipts of like, oh, you know, you were all anti-war two years ago with Ukraine.

You know, you were anti-war before, but now you're, you're feeling great about it. And I think as well, there's an element to the fact that, you know, you're, you're feeling great about it. Even if this doesn't play with us and doesn't play on the international stage, I think it is actually playing well for like the MAGA voter type. Like I'm in these circles. I follow a lot of them on social media just to kind of see what they're up to. And it is a lot of extremely, you know, self-congratulatory material.

And there's an interesting, an interesting idea I keep seeing reoccur, which is basically, that like, oh, that was easy. Let's do it again. Like, we could do that to all these other countries. You know, you have Lindsay Graham talking about Cuba, obviously the stuff about Iran. And again, I'm not trying to put out some sort of tinfoil hat thing here. But to me, it seems as if this was a very deliberately coordinated event from a media perspective. Not to say that it's fake or it didn't happen, but to say that the optics of this are clearly being staged managed. And so for instance, Thomas, you mentioned earlier the fact that these charges are kind of falling apart. To be honest, I don't think that matters. Like, I mean, it does in a courtroom sense.

But I think the immediate political expediency of getting a win of making this part of the narrative, making it part of, you know, promises made, promises kept, that kind of phrase you'll hear over and over again. But also getting the MAGA movement more comfortable with war because a large portion of that, you know, that movement was anti-war. And that's one of the many splinters we've seen in that base since Operation Midnight Hammer, you know, the strikes in Yemen, uh, and others, right. But I wonder as well if there's an element of, you know, I mean, look, like there's a very real possibility that there was no need to even send Delta Force in to get Maduro. Right. You know, either he was surrendering or there was someone willing to do the deed and somewhat similar to the OBL raid, it was a negotiated strike in order to allow one party to save faiths. I'm sure our listeners are

familiar with that. If not, you can find a great deal of recording on it. It came out about four or five years after the case that the Osama bin Laden raid was effectively completely fake. And so on that point, part of me wonders again if this is going to be brought into a larger narrative about war, about regime change. And this is sort of the narrow end of a larger wedge, getting the chuds basically, the kind of people who actually participate in wars back on side. Maybe this is just my, you know, anti-Bush priors talking, but to me, I feel very cynical about whenever I see, you know, a pro-America. That's not good. Remember what you and I were talking about the other day about like all right they have enough political capital to uh

do two one of two things um well not if you do them in different not if you do them in like an order of operations so like another thing that's been happening um there was some recent kerfuffle about like two republican uh congressmen being incapacitated one dying and the other one uh being incapacitated in a car crash rather uh uh could quickly on the very first day of, you know, Congress being back in session, which was yesterday. And I can't remember who posted it, but somebody goes, oh, like, two Republican congressmen, mysterious, and they're both from California, which is also suspicious because, you know, they're basically there, you know, at best, the test, certain tech companies.

and the post went on to be like, all right, some terrible fucking bill is about to get passed. Something really atrocious is about to get driven through Congress. And I was talking to Jay about kind of the, in a period of a week, you had Benjamin Netanyahu come to the United States and have private meetings with the Attorney General, the state of Florida,

who immediately and the lieutenant governor immediately come out and say like we can't allow speech that hurts people when your speech hurts people you know that's assault and that's you know that's a crime you've you've committed a crime and it needs to be you know basically dealt with as such and benjamin at yahoo basically comes out and does like an interview on fucking tv about how America needs to fix the problems with its First Amendment. And then I wish I was making this up, because it sounds like, it doesn't sound real, but an Israeli billionaire named, I think it's Shlomo Goldberg, Goldstein,

Shlomo something's team. Literally, like, a cartoon, basically says, oh, there's a real problem with the American First Amendment. We have to get a handle on it. We got to get control of what's being said. He's saying this on U.S. fucking business news stations. That he and Israeli, not an American, named Shlomo Goldstein, it needs to get control of, get a hold of the First Amendment in the United States.

And we're seeing discourse, particularly about Zionism, break down rapidly across the Anglosphere. I think it has something to do with our shared language, but talking points that we've used to great success over the past, you know, years have started being employed in Canada and England to great and viral effect. And it's spreading very, very rapidly. and all of a sudden you're starting to see the kind of, you know, the pawing and the machinations of something like a digital services, a digital safety act, which is what they recently passed in the UK under the auspices of protecting children from porn. And they're not going to go after the free speech. It's not what they're going to do.

What they're going to go after is online anonymity. and I bet you that is working its way through Congress at this very moment. And to Jay's point about getting people amped up for war, the only way you'd effectively be able to do that is if you controlled one side of the conversation. You'd have to stop guys like us from talking. You'd have to stop guys like us from reminding them of the last couple times they've been dragged off to war for who and for why.

Maybe a nice false flag. in there to tie it up in a nice clean bow. But it seems that anonymity is in the crosshairs in America, since they can't come after the First Amendment itself. Well, no, we'll also just bring pressure to bear, you know, as they continue to do on social media platforms. I mean, that's why they're possibly trying to undermine TikTok. Because unlike X, you know, they, they, TikTok's not,

not just going to, you know, cooperate with, um, with a, uh, the Zionist censorship regimen, um, not because not, not, not have any like, you know, ideological commitment or anything, but just because it's not within their sphere of influence, you know, like, um, Facebook or, or X is, you know, and it, uh, you'll see a return, uh, to, um, Regardless of, I think the Republican is going to lose big in 2028, frankly. But I think you're going to see, things aren't going to become kinetic. I know that there's, speaking of chicken little types, a lot of people are saying that there's going to be a return to the cycle of civil unrest of, you know, 2021 and in 2028. I don't think that's going to happen.

But I do think there is going to be a, conditions of elevated tension and you're going to see all the major social media platforms cracking down on, you know, inflammatory speech or hate speech. And what is going to be coded a little bit differently than at the height of, you know, woke censorship. It's going to be more tailored to, you know, disinformation relating to, you know, national security imperatives, you know, so anything, and anything that's alleged to be, you know, disinformation relating to, you know, the Russian Federation or China, or disinformation relating

to anti-Semitism, that's going to be what's targeted mostly. So the private social media platforms and like telecom carriers, they're essentially going to like ban criticism of Israel or, you know, discussion of, Zionist imperatives in any punitive capacity. That's the way I think it's going to go. You know, you don't need to gut the First Amendment to accomplish what they want to accomplish. You know, but it'll be a little too late. You know, I think to your point, this is a reactive measure.

you know because the damage is done you know the all the kingsmen can't piece the narrative back together again like that time is passed you know um so i i remain optimistic you know um because uh there's been a paradigm shift going to the historical situation that that is now inalterable. That doesn't mean that the regime's going to go down, just lie down and die because it's not. But, you know, the main hurdle is already been traversed. You know, and there's no going to be.

Yeah, people can feel it in their bones. Yeah, there's never going to be a return of the days of the bully pulpit. You know, it's the people's conceptual horizon is never going to return. to, you know, the year in 1990. That's not going to happen outside of echo chambers, but that don't matter anyway. And, you know, the, even if the social media starts cracking down and everything, there's always other ways.

People innovate. People figure it out. You know, it's not, you know, people were, are like, oh, they bought, they bought TikTok. TikTok's done. TikTok was a way that people were waking up. about, you know, Jewish power and everything like that. And I'm like, well, first of all, you know, Normie's waking up to Jewish power or it doesn't

really mean anything. Second of all, it's, they'll just find ways around it. They'll just use words. They'll just, you know, they'll say it's the Amish. They'll, you know, people will know exactly who they're talking about. There's always ways that they, they can't stop the momentum of what people saw after October 7th. You know, it's like... The censorship just tends to...

You need other an absolute bully pulpit like the regime had from really the New Deal revolution until the 1990s. Or you need to have a cultural momentum that's behind regime ambitions and imperative. you know if you're gonna do if you're gonna go full Soviet and you know like the like in Romania they started literally forcing people to register their typewriter you know and this became like a source of parody obviously because you know any if uh you know if you're going to be that if you're going to be that heavy handed uh and that clumsy you know you just become a you just become

like a parody of yourself you know and it's totally self-defeating you know I'm saying we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna arrest anybody who you know is suspected of

Sam's that's like okay yeah see how well that works you know it's like we're gonna we're gonna ban rock and roll that'll stop the kids from listening to it it's uh so yeah here here's to stormy's point um netanyahu's the talk that netanyahu was giving about censorship he these people are so fucking retarded they're so out of touch he was talking about the sale of ticot and he

asked the audience he's like talking to a bunch of journalists and and politicians in israel and he asked the journalists he's like What's the big win in censorship or free speech or excuse me Messaging that we just got in America and he asked the audience Zero people fucking knew he was talking about TikTok They don't even know what the fuck this stuff is He had to tell them he was talking about TikTok Yeah

What's also too I mean they overplayed their hand by like going after TikTok As hard as they did Because it's not even like It's not even like in their might you know they like they made like a bogeyman A 4chan Like, they made a boogeyman at TikTok when TikTok wasn't even politically coded. I mean, yeah, there was this guy, there was this one dude, I think,

in Australia who had, like, a huge following in TikTok, who was, like, very, like, right-wing coded. But generally, it's, it's, like, hood bullshit and, and just kind of, the kind of stuff you used to see, like, on a vine, like, when Vine was a thing. Like, it's not, it was just the fact that, um, It was just the fact that they didn't have the kind of direct sensorious control over it, like they did over X and Facebook. That made them paranoid.

Like if they'd been like, and then when they, then you started seeing like more and more like right coded stuff popping up there after they made it an issue. You know, like what would have been smart is just, you know, downplay it by omission that they, they didn't have direct control over that. But it's just like the way, like what was getting in a minute ago, the nature of it and that weird kind of like rapid scroll feature like it makes it it's harder

i mean it'll come up but there'll be a way i'm sure to they'll develop an algorithm to categorically exclude stuff that they want to squash but it's it's not as simple as uh you know having uh you know, kind of like an autonomous like censorship regime on something like on something like X. It's a different kind of thing. You know, and like so much of it is like visual too. Like it's just not,

they're not going to be able to manipulate the same way. You know. Yeah, the Algo M is a good point. No, this is the thing about Zoomers too. Yeah, and this is the good thing about Zoomers is they communicate in literally like another language. They're just so far away from the type of people trying to implement these paradigms, you know, or sorry, these prerogatives, that it's almost like the, the boomer is

incapable of designing A, effective propaganda anymore, or B, getting out front of the conversation because the conversation is happening in ways that he can't understand using language and metaphor he can't understand right so this is like you know basically trying to censor an alien civilization knowing none of its customs knowing none of its historical you know priors and knowing very little of its language it's an impossible task yeah well it's They didn't even know what TikTok was. Go ahead. No, that's, they're, no, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're

there's the soviet nomenclaturea circa 1988. I mean, that's why people, what's like you said at, at, at the top of the hour, these people like Lindsey Graham are universally fucking despised, you know, like netting Netanyahu is the most hated man on this planet. Like, everybody hates these people, you know, like they're not. And they're these, they're these, uh, grotesque hateful uh yeah like debby washerman sultz debby washerman shultz yeah there's these grotesque people uh are full of hate and uh are uh at odds with god and uh they're universally

despised you know like it's um you know they're they're a joke i mean that doesn't mean they can't hurt us and unfortunately i mean as this regime evaporated rates into into history, it's going to continue to hurt a lot of people, but, you know, these, these, uh, these people are pathetic, man, you know, um, they really are, you know, and it's, it's important to get, not to be cavalier or flippant, but it was important not to make these people out like they're 10 feet tall, like they're, they're a joke, you know, they're pathetic. and that's something that I encourage people to not leave sight of you know there's a certain power in human consciousness right yeah let's put this way if everyone hates you and everyone despises you and

wants you to go away you will me like almost like it sets the odds against you where random events that would normally work out for you or you know a 50-50 chance are now all of a sudden working against you. Everything that would normally go off without a hitch is blowing up in your face. It's very, very strange what happens when large groups of people have their attention fixated on you in a negative way. Plus the cunning of reason is the hand of Providence in history. That's exactly.

I make you point to people too, like my good buddy is Iranian, and I'm playing with him and his wife. Pete knows him. And he's obviously always concerned about Iran being targeted for violence. And I'm like, look, I'm like, you know, God forbid there was some sort of general assault in Iran. You know, I'm like, whatever replaced the revolutionary government, it certainly wouldn't be something that Zog likes. You know, I mean, like, that's, that's done. That's over.

You know, the one thing in the aftermath, of the Iraq disaster. I mean, don't get me wrong. That was the amount of of human, unnecessary human suffering yielded by the assault on Iraq is almost unfathomable. But the one thing all factions agreed on

when the dust settled is unconditionally, like, America must leave. You know, I mean, nobody is going to abide the neocon vision of things. You know, nobody views that as legitimate. You know, nobody's going to,

nobody's going to get behind, you know, like a regime change, you know, that's garbage, that's nonsense, you know. Well, I mean, I think one of the things that, you know, it's what you talk about all the time, Thomas, and it's what, you know, what I take from all of this that we started talking about this whole Venezuela op and everything is, yep, this managerial regime, this West, the Westphalian state is obsolete. It's dying. And anyone who is cheering on this or sees it as a win or, you know, I've made, you know, I've basically said that a lot of people are just so normie-coded that they've seen like the U.S. do so poorly that anything that is presented to them as a win, they feel like they need to feel like they need to cheer. But the fact is, is that if this proves anything, if everything that Trump is done, I mean, he's legitimately done good stuff. And I applaud him for it. But the problem is, and he's probably done more good stuff in one year than like most of the last 10 presidents have in their whole term, especially with what he's done at the what he's done at the southern border. But we're still, you still have an existential crisis. You still. are occupied. You still have, you, you still are at the point where it's like if you don't have social capital with people in real life, you can, your life can be redacted very quickly. And to think that Trump and this and his regime is going to turn that around and somehow fix all of this, leaving aside the fact that all of this is obsolete.

it's even if it wasn't obsolete you you have no there's no proof there's no there's no evidence you can give me that that is even a possibility in in the smallest terms i mean in there's no i wouldn't bet you a dollar you know i mean i wouldn't take like a you know bet a dollar on a 10 million to one, 10 million to one odds that all this gets turned around and all of a sudden we have, you know, the paradise that America was.

You know, I mean, it's like, it's just so absurd to hear people talk like this. But that's, again, I mean, that's why I don't speak for anybody else,

okay, but I view myself as an outlaw because I've always been at odds with the regime as structured in my lifetime. and even, you know, I came to this as a teenager. I mean, I was always, you know, because my dad and stuff and because of like where I lived. I mean, I lived in a really nice place, but I, you know, I was, I was the minority. So I, um, I was oriented towards political questions more than some kids. But I realized, like, having to go, having to go to school, eight hours a day and sit in a building and do stupid things is bullshit.

Like, the stuff that adults were telling me how to do was. bullshit. The things that people thought was important was bullshit, you know, and meaningless and stupid. And worse than that, deleterious to the human spirit and positively oppressive. You know, something had to change. And, you know, thank God the historical situation and emerging technology and also the cunning of reason, you know, the hand of Providence, literally, in the historical process liberated us the people who are willing to

make that leap liberated us from that paradigm you know the idea that like America of 1985 was this utopia that that's preposterous I mean that's ridiculous it was totally fucked up

and if you don't realize that you're an idiot or you're just like some like NPC Normie you isn't in the game so I mean like I you know 1985 probably had, I mean, I'd save to about 1,800 to 2,000 murders in New York City. Yeah. I don't know what Chicago would be.

People dropping dead from heroin everywhere. Yeah, I don't mean the, like literal human trafficking on 42nd Street between 7th and 8th Avenue in Manhattan. And the police just drive by. Like, thank God, Gorbachev and Reagan's people came to the table because. you know, the control element of both the superpowers were realized the strategic paradigm was totally out of control and almost certainly going to result in a war where, you know, between 80 and 200 million people died. You know, I mean, like this was, this was madness.

The world was going to hell in a handbasket. In some ways, things are exponentially better now, but just in terms of people's day-to-day lives, the idea that the, the, the idea that late modernity as it existed a few decades ago was somehow addressing human needs and spiritual health and allowing people to pursue meaningful lives, you know, according to, you know, practical reason as well as, you know, the higher ambitions of spirit and things like that's laughable, you know, and anybody you, anybody who thinks the in terms of good old days or anybody's idea is just like, you know, uh, you know, good government is just low taxes and like, you know, no niggers in my immediate neighborhood. Like they're, they're completely small minded, you know. Yeah. And people, some people will hear me talk about, describe the big city,

New York in 1985 and be like, well, it wasn't like that where I lived. I mean, I live. Yeah, but you're the same person who complains that the big cities have all the power. Yeah. Well, it's also, too, I mean, the fact of the matter is, like, it's not, and it's like William Pierce said, you know, people are, people have different cultures and people have different preferences. You know, some people are city slickers. Some people are country folks, you know, and trying to force one of the other modality on people isn't, isn't right. And, you know, but the, my point being that I, you know, most, most people, people, this isn't for them. I mean, and that's fine because any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, it's only a very small part of it. It's, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's existential and it's spiritual and it's spiritual. base and it's historical you know and um defeating obstacles to that sort of flourishing is essential you know it's an essential prerequisite of liberation that an individual and in communitarian capacity it's not some end in itself you know but but again that's why i'm

totally card to one saying i i think conservatives are shitheads and they're my least favorite kind of people and I I don't want any part of what they're into and you know I they certainly are and they certainly are the most dangerous to us I mean they will they will act like your friend and then stab you in the back at least you know that at least you know that you're your obvious opate to you and once you dead and these are the kind of people yeah well yeah and I realized too I mean like I said maybe it was easier for me like I never I'm very blessed I got a lot of really dear friends who got great love for me and I generally get along with people and so i feel very fortunate but i also realize like most of these

agnormies they they're they're hateful people and they want bad things they happen to me and they they'd like it if i was locked up in jail or worse and you know they they've got contempt for people who don't fit the kind of mold of what they think is is acceptable and i don't like people like that. You know, um, so I, I'm not going to pretend that I do. Oh, and, uh, you know, what's allegedly, you know, supposed to be like the appropriate way to proceed and, in terms of some big tent, uh, coalition of, of weight or something. I don't accept it. But, um, that's what kind of, I got to, uh, I got to take leave you guys in a minute because I got to go to the library and peck,

pick, pick on my laptop. I didn't mean to be a prompt. You know, in other words, I just ordered you a polo and khakis. I'm probably going to pee on them. They will be, they will be, they're, I'm bringing them for your birthday. I mean, if you want to, yeah, like I, I, you know, I'm probably going to pee on them. But like I said, we're going to, we got to win over that 51%. Take Thomas to Vineyard Vines.

Like it's that one scene out of every 2000s rom-com. I can't find the dock shoes anywhere. Yeah. I ended up with, I can't remember what it's called, man, but there's a major country club in Burling Game. And I ended up there,

and that was kind of interesting. Like, I behaved myself. I mean, I was with my dad and stuff. But, yeah, I decided I don't ever want to join a country club. Um, that's the first time I'd bend to one, believe it or not. But, uh, yeah, I don't, uh, I don't think I'd fit in at Martha's vineyard either. So, uh, returning to your, to your previous point, Thomas, uh, I've been on the, the kind of woke right beat for a while because I think that there is going to be an attempted purge.

I mean, there already really has been, uh, of the conservative movement, you know, going after first, you know, more marginal figures and then kind of bringing it closer and closer in. Again, interestingly enough, it does seem to be particularly targeted at figures like Tucker Carlson and J.D. Vance. But there's an interesting development. Barry Weiss, you know, is a sort of infamous figure, recently announced that she was bringing on a number of new people to her outlet, the free press. speculation is run wild that the free press is massively basically it's a money laundering op right you can you can get a lot of money through anonymous donations

this is how this organization is supported but point is she announced a whole slate of of new people coming on side they're going to be part of this new new good conservative movement what's interesting and i'll get into this the details more in a second, is that she has been quite explicit that she wants to define she calls the 40 yards of allowable discourse, the Overton window, kicking out figures like Nick Fuentes, Tucker Carlson, and Hassan Piker, and replacing them with her word conservative luminaries like Alan Dershowitz.

And Jeffrey Epstein. Oh, sorry, he's dead. Oh, yeah. Well, so point is, the reason I bring this up is because I think that's the, I think, that that is continuing a pace. So you have people like Abigail Schreier, now Ferguson, Rod Dreher, one of my favorites, a couple guys named Akman. So point is, the battle lines are being drawn up. And it seems as if there's an immense amount of money flowing around for the good guys, quote unquote, right? The guys who are on side on that issue. And if you go to the free press,

It is basically all you will read about is kind of conservative culture war slop and then also Israel but mostly that second thing. I'm sure I'm sure that's true. I did notice and this is anecdotal when I they

but it is something of a bellwether I was reading the American spectator and very suddenly after a they They conspicuously avoid direct criticism of Trump, but it's basically a bunch of like the old never Trump guys have kind of like reinvented themselves.

And they started popping up on the spectator. And I'm like, okay, well, that's interesting. You know, because obviously these guys are just waiting, you know, because there's not, because Mega is Trump and there's not a successor. And even if there was, I mean, they wouldn't be able to recapture Trump's lightning in a bottle from 2016. So yeah, they're going to make their big play in 2028.

That makes perfect sense. Yeah. So especially as we, you know, we turn to, you know, discussions of possible censorship. I think that's an interesting development as well, that a large part of this might well be pushed from within the sort of owned conservative movement. But we haven't seen anything explicit coming from kind of major voices, but as Stormy mentioned, the presence of the Florida AG indicates that, you know, fairly deep into the Republican Party, you know, there is a desire to do this.

Again, calling back to the conversation about Venezuela, it is entirely the wrong attack line to look at this and say, oh, you know, you hypocritical conservatives, don't, you. you remember during 2020 when you were all upset about cancel culture. I mean, that's true. That is hypocritical. That is not logically consistent. Exactly. So that is a trend that I have identified. What's also interesting is that we're getting into kind of a fewer bunker mode from the administration, using that term, of course, loosely, where within the kind of like ultra-hardcore, they're just swinging at anyone they see as a traitor. This is not super relevant, but there's a...

I've actually been called a traitor several times this week. It's very strange. There's a Fox News host. I think her name is Cat Timph. I don't really know anything about it. Cat Timph, yeah. I know you're talking about it. There's a woman on Fox News, many reasons for me not to pay attention to what she says.

But regardless, she had a very tepid, take on what happened in Venezuela. She basically said, I don't understand how it's not war to kidnap someone's president, but it is to ship cocaine to their country. This doesn't add up. And she's been getting battered from pillar to post by hardcore MAGA guys. And the coverage has all been basically, you know, you are, you know, you're a traitor. You've switched sides. And I think that that's interesting as well is that it there seems to be a sort of circular firing squad and look this is how politics works right there's a certain amount of it that's internal enforcement you need to get people on side and keep them on side but i do think that's an interesting change in i guess you could just say

change in disposition that now much of the conservative movement has basically gone has you know turned to going after you know black pillars to traders you've seen this as well with dan bonjino right who returned to private life. And basically his first statement is, you know, I'm going after the Dumers, the black pillars, the guys who don't see what great, you know, work we've done for America. And Thomas, I realize, you know, you and I both don't have a particularly high opinion of Bongino. He's kind of a simian fellow. You know, he looks like you.

They paid him in bananas. And I, that was part of the doge, like, cost saving effort. They saved $3 billion from Dan Bonino's. personal banana collection. Yeah, exactly. But point is, I think that, look, obviously, Bonjino is probably doing that to make money. You know, he was making a good bit on on Rumble. I doubt he was as the head of the FBI, nor was he really doing a whole lot. So I can understand that. But also, you know, the the age old, you know, wisdom within the right that, you know, you never really leave these intelligence communities, I think is probably apt. And I think that, you know,

think that this kind of conservative right wing, whatever you want to call it, Civil War, is likely to continue to escalate, particularly as, you know, the administration is facing criticism from within its own coalition. And it seems as if the line, the marching orders, is basically, you know, you're a traitor if you don't support Trump. You're a dumer. You're a black pillar. And, you know, again, when I mentioned earlier, the kind of cynical takedown of of the anti-war types, the people who do not support these kind of retarded, you know, foreign adventures. Again, it was within that language. And I think that that's an interesting trend to identify perhaps going forward. No, I'm sure you're absolutely correct. Well, it's also,

there's not the, there's a sort of built-in tendency of, I mean, like I said before, that there is no Republican party. They're not a party. It's the Republicans are just the, they're the official opposition. You know, the people call themselves, the Democrats, or the ruling coalition, and the official opposition calls themselves the Republicans. But they, since November 1989, they haven't had a platform. So there's a building tendency of them to cannibalize their own, even in the absence of a conflict

dyad relating to you know um relating to America first versus the intervention his tendency and Zionism and things that that's obviously the catalyst that frames this

in the present but the fact that they literally have no platform um that's you know coherent and sort of structurally enduring that tends towards

infighting in a way that wouldn't with a more normal you know sort of a oppositional coalition like the Tories have the same deal in the UK like they make no sense it doesn't it's a totally redundant

coalition that has no actual platform you know and there's interesting parallels between us and the mother country so yeah I just wanted to add that because I think it's somewhat under analyzed. No, I'm fairer 100% correct. Well, I think I'm recording a bunch today, so I'm going to bail now.

All right, guys. Okay, yeah. Thanks very much going to me, fellas. Yeah, I'm going to connect with some of you guys in the next couple days. But, yeah, let's do more Inquisition stuff whenever you guys are able. Until I got to start traveling again in February. but for the rest of a month I'm basically just, you know, chilling and

doing my thing, man, so I've got a bit more time, Astral. Oh, yeah, we're going. I think Mr. I think Mr. Dahl is supposed to be showing up shortly. Oh, really? Yeah. I guess things really are

going to shit then, huh? I don't know if anybody noticed this, but Mike Vining is on Twitter now. You got to remind me that is. I know the name for some reason. Thomas, you know Mike Vining, right? Yeah, I'm not personally. Yeah, I know who he is.

Yeah, he's on Twitter, and he's been posting really cool old picks. No kidding. Yeah, yeah, you got to follow him. Some of the pics are just, like, outrageous. Really? Yeah. Yeah. He's also really fun.

Like, very amusing, like, in addition to the cool historical photos. Yeah, no, I'll, uh, what I get known today, I'll, uh, and I'm fucking around. line yeah oh i'll follow him but yeah i'll share and put him wait is this actually him on for yeah yeah i need i guess in the chat here's his link here's a link to his account blasting through but um all right gentlemen thank you it's been a pleasure let's see you fellas thanks guys thanks guys hey listen so that was a very solid oh jay had to go too all right stormy well it's me and you until Carl gets here. Listen, let's, I want to go back to

Venezuela because there's a big elephant in the room. Oh, fuck, we lost Stormy too. Oh, please hold while I get Stormy back. All right. Stormy, all right. I pause the recording. No worries. Oh, we lost, Jay?

That sucks. Yeah, I didn't know. I didn't realize he was leaving, but that's okay. We got Carl coming and I got a bit more time. Listen, there's an elephant in the room on the Venezuela topic. We didn't. didn't talk about. So let's go back to that. The oil. I did not expect in 2026 after everything we went through in Iraq and everyone agrees that we did not go into Iraq to get the oil. And it's a historical fact that we did not take the oil, at least not in any imperial

sense. I did not expect people to be saying that we went in to Venezuela to get the oil on both sides, the people for it and against it. Oh, I expected them to be saying that 100%. Because most people don't know that it was just Israel that got the oil. U.S. net oil exports went down during and after Iraq, and all of a sudden, Israel that has no natural resources to speak of, all of a sudden becomes the seventh largest energy exporter in the world. It's all basically stolen oil and natural gas from Iraqi Kurdistan.

Let me throw something in here too about all the hypocrisy going on here Israel was buying Kurdish oil against U.S. sanctions. The Kurdish oil was sanctioned and we didn't do a goddamn fucking thing about it. Why would we? The sanctions just

exist for Israel. It doesn't exist for us. Right. Literally like who was in charge at that time. Like the entire U.S. presidential apparatus existed for Israel. After 9-11, they hijacked the fucking country. Bush's entire prerogative before 9-11 was strategic ballistic missile defense. That's like, that's what the country was gearing up to do.

That's what the Pentagon was gearing up to do. And that's why we got out of the salt treaties with, uh, with Russia, right? The U.S. is going to do Star Wars 2.0. And basically in the, within a year after 9-11, like, Zog really took control of the executive. It basically didn't have to exist behind the scenes, right? And like, exert, you know, leverage through covert means, right? Like, once 9-11 happened, they basically, you know, started installing themselves into actual, you know, positions of power inside the government officially. And not just like, not just the neo-cons being kept in the basement, but I mean, yeah, 9-11 was really like, it's when it's when the, when Zog's security state apparatus went online, put it that way.

So yeah, of course we didn't fucking enforce sanctions. And Paul Singer's just going to flip the Chevron assets. Yeah, let's talk about that. Let's talk about that. I'll let you start if you'd like. Otherwise, I can give it intro. Well, it's, I mean, which is not really that much to understand. broadly on the whole

Venezuelan oil thing. Just everything. The fact that saying we're taking it away from China doesn't really make much sense. They get 4% of their oil from Venezuela. We could have just taken it at any point in time.

Right? Like it as in like they're not teleporting the oil from Venezuela to China. Right? They're taking it through the Panama Canal. in ships, like we could just basically stop it at any point in time without actually doing the regime change job in Venezuela, if that's what the purposes. All right.

There's been some really interesting stuff. I'll wait for more news to come out about a shadow fleet tanker that left, a Russian shadow fleet tanker that left Iran on its way to Venezuela. two weeks ago and it basically got interdicted on the way over about and was captured this this afternoon and very very strange behavior shadow fleets are shadow tankers are literally just you know throwaways right if you're violating sanctions like you basically they basically just drop them they're not traceable back it's very strange behavior so it's obviously Obviously, there wasn't any oil on that ship, nor were they planning on putting any. It was bringing something to Venezuela and that left two weeks ago.

So I think it was obviously likely weapons platforms. Maybe that's why we moved as quickly as we did in Venezuela instead of just doing the things that we all this talked about. That would have been easier just letting that situation clear itself up internally by having, you know, people underneath him. The reason why you couldn't get anyone to, like, betray Maduro was basically because the entire security apparatus around Maduro was Cuban. Right. In fact, Venezuela was effectively a Cuban colony. I know that sounds ridiculous. But after the economy collapsed, and I mean, it did collapse. Right. When they nationalized the oil resources, they didn't actually know how to operate them. They didn't fucking know how to do anything.

So all of a sudden, oil revenues crashed to nothing. The country experiences 1.7 million percent, 2 million percent in, 2 million percent inflation in a matter of months. Absolutely, like, it destroyed every dollar of, sorry, every amount of savings, every amount of anything, everyone's assets, their jobs, like everything, everything is. became worthless like why there's no point in if you're a business owner there's no point in employing anybody it basically made everything in the country go out of business at once

and one third of the population left inside of like a year two years so the people that left as it's the largest single mass migration event in the history of the south American continent. So most of almost all of the most talented people are the ones that left. They were the ones that could leave, right? Whether, you know, they could scrape together enough to fucking get on a boat or whatever. So all the doctors, all the administrators, the competent people, the security people, the military people, like they all fucking left. And in order to stabilize the regime, all of these people, all of these, all of these, professional people, professional military people, all had to come in from Cuba.

And over a period of 30 years, that just metastasized to basically the entire security apparatus of Venezuela was Cuban. Look into it, you'll find out I'm right. So you weren't going to get somebody to betray Maduro, right? You weren't going to get his generals or whatever, or his vice president or whatever to basically betray him and turn himself in. right like that part is legit right like yeah there is probably a diplomatic deal being done between china or russia most likely russia because the chinese diplomats were i don't know sitting there with a thumb up their ass while maduro got snatched away the chinese delegation but to the point the actual extra like the fucking fucking

people, the Venezuelans and the Cubans didn't know that a deal just had been made, you know, for their future or execution between America and Russia. So like, that part still had it to come off. Like, those hundred or so, whatever, uh, inner security guards, they were getting whacked. Like, sorry, like, they weren't going to let you take Maduro. They're not part of the Venezuelan operating, like, governed structure. They're from fucking Cuban. So really as far as like the oil those were our resources right like Paul Singer is going to make some money he outbid nine other people in an auction for the Chevron assets he didn't actually outbid them the court forced the sale to him okay so if it's between them

We don't actually know that. He could have bid the same. It doesn't mean that the court basically moved him from the bottom of nine to the top, right? Most likely it was between him and somebody else just like him. Well, let me just jump in. The ruling says that the ruling, I understand the rule. I understand the rule. For the listener, for the listener, the ruling was that Singer,

Elliott Management was the most likely to actually be able to close the deal that they're bidding on. more so than the others. So basically, Elliott Management probably used, I would say 30% credit. Right. And the other party was probably using 50% or 60% credit. All right.

So basically it's who's putting up the most cash, right? Think about like a house. Are you, if you're selling your house, do you want to sell to the guy that's paying in cash? Or do you want to sell your house to the guy that has to get a mortgage? Because if you sell it to the guy with a mortgage and something falls through with his mortgage, you have to relist your house and then it looks like something is wrong with it. Like, oh, this sale blew up.

So somebody backed out. This is, it looks bad. So the government is going to take the person that has the most cash. And that could have been as much as Paul Singer, you know, calling the people that are doing the financing for the second bidder. and convincing them to pull financing. So when the judge makes that determination, really, we don't know. Let's just assume the judge was acting in good faith. Because really, if these two people, singer and let's say bidder number two, right,

bidder number singer and number two outbid everybody else up to the top. And now it's between those two. Because it's not like a bidding like an auction. They're just submitting offers. there's not like a back and forth like oh well i'll put in more i'll put in more the judge is basically reviewing 10 offer letters so assumably the government acted on the government's best interest and took the one that had the more cash and the least amount of debt financing if the judge acted in the best

interest right whatever it doesn't matter he bought those rights to the Chevron assets, right, that Venezuela, basically he bought Chevron, or bought a controlling stake in Chevron, right? Citgo, he bought the whole thing. Sicko, sorry, sicko. I doubt he has all of it. He just has to have control of it. There's no reason to buy all of it.

If I get to have complete control of your thing at 51%, why the fuck would I spend the extra money to get 100%? It's because it was bankrupt. So you're buying it out of bankruptcy court. Yeah, exactly. All right. So the assets and the claimants, things like that, right? Because if the shares are worthless because the company is bankrupt, then the only thing you're actually buying is the underlying assets of the company.

That's what goes through bankruptcy court. Yeah. The shareholders get liquidated, right? Yeah. So the actual shareholders, when we say like, oh, he bought Chevron, right? So if Microsoft goes bankrupt tomorrow, what they're going to do is they're going to sell all of Microsoft's assets and that money is going, the bankruptcy court is going to sell off all the assets. and that money is going to be used to pay the bondholders. Yeah.

Right? The shareholders, right? So this is what he said like, oh, well, he controls all that. He doesn't need to, right? It's the asset you're buying from a bankruptcy court. The shareholders get a bath. The only people that get taken care of, right, are the bondholders. The people that lent Chevron money before they went bankrupt.

Yeah. They're suing. So the government will distribute that money. $40 billion, but they're only getting six. Yep. Well, should have went bankrupt. What's the difference between bankruptcy and insolvency? Is it the same thing? Insolvency. A person, a company can exist in a state of insolvency, right? That's like saying having cancer and dying of cancer. Gotcha.

Right. So if you're insolvent, you need to fucking do something about it. Like a lot of the European governments right now are insolvent. Ah, yeah, that makes sense. So basically, Elliot management specializes in restructuring fucked up shit, right? So they're like house flippers, right? They're going to buy these foreclosed assets, remodel the house quickly, and flip it. That's what he's going to do. And he'll probably make some money doing it.

And he'll probably get the U.S. government to throw in some money for the remodel. Who knows? Doesn't matter. What actually matters is Guyana right next door. Yeah, I wanted to bring that up. Guyana is the actual prize. Right. Guyana is ours.

And it does, like, people are getting distracted. People are getting distracted about, like, the Venezuelan oil, which is shit. There's not a lot of it. And they're forgetting, like, we own the Saudi Arabia right next door. and the Saudi Arabia right next door is as fucking poorly defended and like like the Saudis don't have an army per se there's only like I don't know a couple million Saudi citizens total I think less I think it's just over a million or two million all right that's not enough to raise any considerable type of army so if I ran were to ever be like hey you're

want to know what our oil is shitty we don't have a lot of it and china and russia have our back and they want us to do this so we're going to invade Saudi Arabia Saudi Arabia is no way of defending itself like this is basically the dynamic between guiana where Exxon's real find is where like the real prize is it's the biggest oil find in the last 50 years like it basically It makes Saudi Arabia look like nothing, right? It's huge. Guyana as a country is like Saudi Arabia as a country.

These people have no way of defending themselves. It's a fucking nothing state, nothing government. And Venezuela, largely, I think, at the behest of China and Russia, had made actual military incursions into Saudi, into, yeah, Saudi Arabia, into Guyana, twice. And basically, last I checked, it's the open-stated policy of the Maduro government to basically conquer their next-door neighbor,

Guyana, where all the var are fucking, where the real money is. But Exxon is all set up and extracting. Whether he's going to do that or not, who knows? But the Chinese were basically using it as a lever. against the US in talks, right? Like, oh, you wanna fuck with me on chips in Taiwan? How about I fuck with you in Guyana through my proxy?

You're fucking with me through Taiwan, your proxy. I'm gonna fuck with you through my proxy. That's what this actually was. And this is what makes fucking the messaging around the whole Venezuela thing so stupid because it's not that hard of a fucking concept. This is the problem with the Trump administration writ large. DC people who are actually fucking retards think that average American people are fucking retards.

Right? American, like if I were to just break that down, I think 90% of people in the country would have been able to understand what I just said. It's not that fucking difficult. problem is is Trump and Trump's team, at least the media team, the people that are doing this stage managing, think that this is too much for people to wrap their heads around. So we're going to do this fake drugs bullshit. And now it's going to be them that are going to look retarded. So Paul Singer, yeah, is going to make some fucking money. But if you live in Zog, Jews are going to make money.

because they're outsized representations. Right? So, like, they make up most hedge fund managers. They make up most private equity managers. This little 2% has got, like, you know, 40% of hedge fund managers and, like, 50% of private equity fund managers and so on and so forth. So just in the course of fucking the empire doing its operating, there's going to be somewhere that, you know, it's like,

It's like playing beer pong with, you know, a hundred cups on the other side. Chances are, like, that ball is going to land in a cup. That doesn't necessarily mean that the whole thing was designed and operated and orchestrated by the cup. I think it's a combination of both and instead of either or. And this is the problem with the fucking discourse on the right, just period. It's the same thing with the fucking Somalis. Right? I can do both of these things at the same time. I can hate Somalis and want them to fuck out of my country.

And also not support, you know, fucking Israel's stupid Somali land bullshit. I don't care if Nick, whatever his name, Nick Sarder, the fucking guy that, you know, discovered the Somali thing, is a fucking Zio-Shill. Who cares? I want these people to fuck out of my country. Oh, well, demonizing, you know, this is just an op to get you to support Somaliland and get the fucking, it gets you to hate Arabs over, like, no. No, these are fucking creatures that if any fucking founding father ever came across, right? If George Washington ever came across a Somalian, he would cleave an act.

into his forehead and probably go run to the nearest church and say a horrible demon has broken out of the gates of hell and accosted me, you know, in my field. These people like are monsters that just should not be here at all. They're repulsive. So me wanting, like, I don't give a fuck if that serve, like, oh, well, you're serving Israel by hating fucking Arabs or whatever. Like, no, I can hate both of these people at the same time. I have so much hate in me, in fact, that I can hate two or three whole groups of people at the same fucking time.

I can hate Venezuelans at the same time as I hate fucking Lindsey Graham. I can hate Maduro and Lindsay Graham at the same time. I can hate China, Venezuela, and Israel and Somalia all at the same time. I've got that much hate. And I think most people do too. And it's easy. Yeah, like really, like this whole like you have to be on this side or that side.

Like, no, I can just hate everyone here. So to your point, and it's very obvious, a lot of the bullshit that we're trying to cut through is just obvious bullshit. Thomas mentioned that the indictment against Maduro was drawn up. by fucking what was the attorney general's name, Bill Barr in 2020.

So they've been wanting to go after Venezuela since at least then and they wanted to be taking Maduro out since at least then, but everyone knows it goes before that, right?

Paul Singer didn't bite to go until the beginning of December of 2025. Yeah. So it's not like Paul Singer is this puppet master. He is a puppet master, but not in the way people

want to think the Jews are puppet masters. It's not like Paul Singer would like had his sights on Sitco this whole time and forced the United States government to overthrow Maduro. No, I think we were probably going to do this back in 2021. But Trump lost because the election was stolen from him. And now we're just getting back to the original plan. And he sees the money on the table. So he jumps in to buy it.

And if he pulled any strings, it was with the, it wasn't a judge. It was like a special magistrate or something who was reviewing the bids on Sitco. and he was the one who recommended to the judge, this is who you should sell it to. That's the guy who chose Paul Singer's firm. Not only is that guy Jewish, that guy was sitting on the board of the ADL when it received millions of dollars from Paul Singer.

Yep. And Gold Reserve, one of the companies that didn't not get chosen, is now filing in court. I don't know if they're suing or if they're just issuing a paper. I think they just issued a paper for right now. I don't know if they're going to stick with this, that they were saying that the fact that that guy took money from Paul Singer's firm and is now... Conflict of interest. Management company and is now right granting that to him.

And by the way, let's keep in mind here. We talked about T-T-T-Tock and Larry Ellison. He also was outbid and the court determined that he should get Tick-Tock. That's the way in which they manipulate the outcomes. They're just, they see the pie and they take the biggest pieces. and we don't get any crumbs. We don't get any crumbs. If Paul Singer has Sitgo,

then, and Stormy, me and you talked about this off the record, but if he's getting Sitko, the American people are not getting cheap oil. And you even said this to me in private, like the oil, or maybe, no, I think actually I was talking a dagger about this, but I think you would agree with this next statement,

which is that the oil companies themselves, no matter who got Sitco, they're not just going to dump a home, million barrels of oil on the market tomorrow and drive all their own prices down. They want to keep a steady, they want to keep it steady. Yeah. You know, Trump is saying that he's going to dump 50 to a hundred million. Also, it'll take a fucking half a decade.

Right. To get barrel one out of there. This is what I was trying to tell people. Like, if you think this is a fucking win that's going to help him for the midterms, that fucking oil isn't going to be online till after 2028. Like, what are you talking about? Yep. It's all this is obvious stuff.

And Trump said he's going to put 50 to 100 million barrels on the market. And I was talking about the midterms, right? That's the kind of thing that he can do to try to, like, ensure a Republican victory in the midterms is drive oil prices down by doing that. And saying, I did this for you by, you know, taking out Maduro and doing. Well, this is the other thing. I don't think that's going to happen. I'm skeptical of it. But midterms are settled by 20.

Okay, so midterms, anybody that's run congressional campaigns or worked on them will know this. I had a, I was, you know, on a, on a Zoom call with somebody that had and they were basically breaking. I mean, it was a fucking boomer who was telling me how like they're going to be fixing the Republican, telling this to other boomers and me about how they're going to fix the Republican message. about how like, you know, basically saying, oh my God, I wanted to die, dude. I wanted to fucking scream. He's like, yeah, there's a real, the way the fucking, the way Trump and the party is addressing this affordability thing just is not working.

You know, there's a lot of people that are really, really hurting. And they're just not going to vote. And then I was like, oh, he's getting it. Oh, he's getting it. Oh, amazing. And then he goes, yeah, there are just some, you know, ethnic cohorts that have basically been left out of the economy and all the, you know, the great economic success from like, you know, really from like 1990 onwards. They didn't get

to participate in any of this. So they need to know what, you know, what's going to be, you know, we need to do something for them. And I was like, I just touched it real quick. I'm like, touch my meat button really. I was like, so you mean like minorities? And he's like, yeah, yeah. I put myself back on mute and I'm screaming at the top of my fucking lungs. And this guy has a lot of power. Like, this guy is not a nobody. And it's about like 75, whatever. And then he goes on to basically describe how, you know, how the midterms are decided.

And he said, like, the midterms are racist about like, they're basically, the only thing that matters is the primaries. right? And the races are basically decided by September. Right. It's like the real midterms, like the midterms actually start campaigning needs to start in July. So Trump's got six months less. And this is all going to be decided, all said and done by September. And one month earlier, so August and June for states that do early voting. which is like half of them. So there just isn't enough time.

Right, like some guy was chimping out. I mean, like, oh, you're a traitor. Like, oh, you're just trying to so panic about Trump losing them in terms. Like, all right. Yeah. Well, tell me why. Tell me why he's going to win. Like, oh, 15,000 DHS agents are going to come online.

And then he's sending 2,000 DHS agents to, to Minneapolis. And they're going to, they're going to deport 100,000 Somalis. and also like this Venezuela thing is like a big thing for the big win for the base. I was like, they're going to forget about this in six months. And unless, unless the only way they're going to remember this is if Trump decides to make this like a big thing and poor resources and people into Venezuela. And then it's going to have the opposite effect. All right. So this may, if he keeps Venezuela, if he keeps Venezuela,

relevant and in the discourse six months from now it'll be at his fucking failure because that'll mean like the american people are going to see like this up here comes the quagmire again and all of the dhs stuff that that guy said like none of that is going to matter in six months they wanted a domestic president he campaigned on nothing but domestic issues he's like oh yeah we're going to get out of all this stuff overseas. No more wars. And we're going to basically stop the fucking foreign policy government. And we're going to stop immigration.

We're going to send people back home. We are going to onshore manufacturing. I mean, all the other stuff. And it's just been because of Benjamin Netanyahu. All right. The very people he sacrificed his administration to help. are going to be the same people that throw him under the fucking bus after he's out of the office.

They don't care who is the president. Exactly. They don't give a shit. Yep. They don't care if they lose. They don't care if the Republicans lose. Not that I even like the Republican. I mean, Stormy, let me ask you this.

Exactly. At this point, do we even fucking want them to win the midterms at this point when they're running people like Vevac and Randy Fine? And they're fucking telling Marjorie Taylor Green to fuck off and forcing her to resign? This is another thing. Like, you basically took a lady that was loyalty from the very beginning. Yeah. And you fucking hammered her to a cross over Israel.

The base doesn't want the Epstein files released because they think it's some sorty pedophilia scandal or whatever. Right? It's not, they don't want this. Everyone needs to really give credit to, like, where the normie brain is at. Yep. I agree. And I will say, that's why I don't like disparaging them, and I won't. And I love them dearly.

I think, like, the average, just, you know, normal American is probably one of the most, you know, decent people on the planet. And, like, anybody that's ever, like, broken down on the side of the road, when some old fucking boomer in a pickup truck pulls over. there is a you will have a an audible sigh of relief and I've been all around the world and that just doesn't exist anywhere. And so the average American as politically retarded as he is is probably one of the most decent people on the fucking planet. So it's really kind of shitty that they actually have to focus on this shit at all. And it's not their fault that they don't understand it. But like when it comes to like whether we should be do we even want.

conservatives to win that's a that's a really good question on the Inquisition we were the first people to basically call out that there is basically you know now everyone has come to the realization that there are factions vying for power inside the Trump government right there's like two things going on and from from what mark Mark Mitchell says, Vance and Hegeseth get it. So basically this is a generational conflict. The boomers and the Zionists, really we say that, oh, like, once the boomers are gone, Zionism is over.

That's the same mechanism inside the administration. Like the only reason that any of these people have any play, right, is because of age. So frankly, I may say I don't think we should support anyone over 50. I don't care. Like in 2028, the midterms, like, I don't know. The generational divide on this is really kind of the biggest thing, I think, inside the administration. So if fucking people in their 60s and 70s that don't want,

to fucking retire and want to still try and pretend to be relevant if they want to run the republican party then no i don't want them to win it would be better if they fucking failed but in the end we're going to have to step over these people so it's like basically what you're saying is do we want them to buy themselves more time or not i don't know i don't know whether i don't know how to answer that because i don't know what trump is going to do to try and buy our votes between now and then. Every Somalian knows why he votes Democrat. Every fucking one.

So I want to know why I should vote Republican or why I should vote for any of these faggots in the midterms. Like make me want to do that like you've made the Democrats have made the Somalians want to do it. Well, I think if he does... You don't have to fucking bribe me, but just show me that you're doing things for me. I think if he does put 50 to 100 million barrels on the market, along with the money saving that will be put in people's pockets from the big beautiful bill, which is going to go through, which is going through now, which people are going to start to see the results of soon.

That would help him a lot. And I think he knows that. And I think he's saying this because he knows that. I just don't know if the people who, I don't want to say control him, but influence him and have his ear will allow any of that to happen. I mean, the big beautiful bill went through. but the oil thing, I'll believe it when I see it. But that's the type of thing he would do to capture the Normies back and make them forget about Epstein and all that shit. You're muted, Stormy.

Yeah, sorry, I'm not a fucking filthy Indian like Vivek Ramoswamy. I mute myself and I take a piss. Okay. Oh, yeah, I want to mention to the listener a lot of times it sounds like Stormy's taking a piss, but he's filling up his water bottle. Yeah. I was going to mute you one time. I was going to fuck. And then I saw you were filling your water bottle up.

So if you guys think you hear story pissing, he's filling up. Yeah, you'll generally hear like clinking of glass or something like that as well. Yeah. I don't know if anybody's going to believe me or not, but it's true. Who cares? Well, let's put this way. Maybe we'll give them like an audio sample of what me taking a piss sounds like, and then they can compare and contrast.

But like with, do we want these people to win? not Vivek I don't think he's gonna win so now he's he's sunk we're gonna get a fucking it's just like what they did in Virginia so you talked about this on the show

the GOP ran a fucking like literal Jamaican woman who was like speaking patwa and if um unless um I really hope fishback um really stops this abortion thing he's gonna close if you notice his policies

are great, but somebody has convinced him of this poison pill of I'm going to ban all abortion clinics in Florida. That is, that's a poison pill. There's a reason that no politician says that or why when Lindsay Graham was trying to sabotage the Republicans in the 20, in the run up to the 2020 for election. He was saying that, yeah, we need to, we need to fuck. They know it's a poison pill. they know it is. So either James Fishback is an elaborate experiment to basically how to go about doing rhetoric in like the fucking post, you know,

break out of containment of like the dissident rights spheres. Which, I mean, the person that's running his campaign is really tightly affiliated with DeSantis. So it makes me wonder, right? I don't know if he knows that. But anyways, you're seeing guys make huge strides. Like the guy in Ohio that's basically fucking bodying Vivek.

In like two weeks, this guy's come out of nowhere. and you know these people are that unpopular Zionism is unpopular H-1B fucking Indians are on like literally fucking no one likes Indians not even other Indians so this has been gone

going on for as long as it has because they've effectively clipped any challenges any alternatives very very early but in the age of social media, you can't do that anymore. So I don't know, man. You got fucking guys running for governor

that have really good shots on anti-Zionism and they're blowing up. So I don't know. I've mentioned this on the show before. Is Carl Jones? Yeah, I have to get going soon,

but I'm trying to hold out for him. He said he was. Oh. But, uh, I don't have much time left either. Your point about anti-Zionism, they're really like begging for a fucking anti-Zionist Muslim candidate to come out of the left. And because the left is like totally, totally against Zionism now. And the former left that you can't really call the left anymore.

I guess I don't know who we could should call these people the libertarian sort of left that defected from the left that now are Trump supporters or were Trump supporters. It's like all those people are anti-Zionist. So I don't think the Zionists would allow a mainstream Democrat or Republican candidate to campaign or win on anti-Zionism. And Trump never, Trump is never an anti-Zionist. So if it's going to happen organically, it would be from, I think, a Muslim. And as much as I don't like Mom Donnie, he got a lot of cachet from being anti-Zionist. And he's popular for all of his terrible fucking retarded bullshit. He is popular among the anti-Zionist left.

And they don't, you know, they don't see all the other shit. So they're really asking for it. And I see Trump by allowing this sort of thing to like brew, he's fucking us long term by not putting his foot down with these people. Yeah, he really is. Vance is in a tough place, man, because I think Vance gets. gets all this. You said, I think you said earlier, Mark Mitchell gets that Vance gets this. Well, he knows this firsthand. He went to the White House. He's like all of the stuff that we talk about, right? On shows like this. Like, everyone should go listen to Jay Burden's interview with him. It's fantastic. But he basically says, you know, he brought this to fucking Trump.

I said it to his face. And Trump didn't get it. And this is why I think it is generational. And this is why people can say this is disloyal or whatever. I don't give a shit, frankly. I have a loyalty to a people group. And that's it. I don't have loyalty to Donald Trump, the real estate developer.

The best thing that could happen to the Republican part, is that Donald Trump suddenly steps, or sorry, the best thing that could happen to the country is that Donald Trump suddenly steps down. It's the truth. He just doesn't get it. When Mark Mitchell told him everything that everyone should go listen to that Jay Burton interview. Like if you're listening to this, I would almost say stop listening to this right now. Check out and listen to that interview, then come back.

It's that good. But, you know, like let's say young ones. men not being able to start families and buy fucking homes. Donald Trump's response to that verbatim, oh, well, people like their, people like their house prices high. They wouldn't like, they wouldn't like it if their house prices went down. Okay. So young Americans don't get to have families. Like, boomers can't grock certain shit. Trump's going to be, what, 78 or some shit? How old is he? He's 80 now.

Is he? He might be 79. He's 79 or 80. What? Fucking. Yeah, he's 79. Like, can we just be fucking real? He's an 80-year-old.

Like, we make fun of Mitch McConnell. How old is Mitch McConnell? He's like 90-something, eight. Is he really? Yeah, I'll look it up. He's in his 90s, I believe. That guy's basically a fucking walking corpse. 83.

Well, he's not a young 83. Yeah. So Donald Trump is, what, three years behind? Like, can these people understand anything that the country is going through? Like, are they physically able to? And it's not, doesn't make them bad people. Like, the boomer was literally raised in an aquarium full of Jewish propaganda. Like, they were just dunked in a tank.

Yes. And never let out. So it's not their fault, but like, really, like, what are we doing here? Well put. Carl comes in at the 11th hour. Hey, fellas. Hey, bud. Carl, we're running short on time, but we wanted to give you some, a few minutes here.

Did we go into Venezuela for the oil? Are we going to see oil on the market? Was that the only impetus for Venezuela? Oh, absolutely not. No, no, no, no. So, yeah, I mean, the oil is a thing. And here's the thing. Stormy cast a non-Christian Gillesian spell in our chat last week,

explaining the level of risk associated with the Sitgo move by Singer. And then, of course, there's the obviously corrupt judge that forced the sale to him rather than to the highest bidder, which is in court. So that's going to continue. But it's not like the U.S. government did this because they're like, oh, shit, Paul Singer told us to do it. Like, it doesn't work that way. Now, I will say this.

I will say this. All of our Middle Eastern nonsense goes back to Israel. Yes. It really does. the challenge, however, is that we're not going to do that again. We're not in a position to do a real big boy war. And a lot of guys are legitimately concerned with the bump that this Venezuela operation gave to certain people, particularly in the veteran class of our guys,

who are vets, they're excited by what they see because of just the basically their winning attitude and their fuck you, we're American and we kick ass attitude, which is fine. I understand the concerns that everyone has about that. That doesn't mean these guys are like, oh, yeah, let's get into a meat grinder war and send our sons into it. That's not what's happening. Yeah, sure, there are some that will fall for it. but this was an op that was done in a very controlled way

specifically because the United States has totally neglected Latin America for decades. And I think it was Hank Oslo, American son, posted something that pissed a bunch of people off. And then I quote posted it, and that pissed a bunch of people off because they're incapable of understanding this. You're not being a tool.

of Zog by basically saying here are the rules in our playground. And the rules that we had in place from 1848 to about 1939 are back in play. The way we've done it between that time and now was a disaster, we're not doing that again. Venezuela has become a playground for intelligence operatives from hostile nations. Astral, you've explained the drug thing very well. The vast majority of the drugs that are coming out of there are going to Europe, not the United States. But here's the thing you're going to say.

Yeah, just quickly, on that point, I said earlier in the show that the cocaine from the paramilitaries is going southwest to Ecuador and then coming up the Pacific coast and boats. That's the cocaine that's going to America. Most, if not all of the cocaine that's going north from the north coast of Venezuela and island hopping across the Caribbean, that's going to Europe. Yes, yes, perfect, perfectly stated. Now, here's something. I reposted someone this morning a, let's see, what's the name of this?

Armas de Conflicto America Latina. So it's Latin American small arms. What this person is doing is they post in Spanish. I think they might be in Argentina. But anyway, very good content. It'll be translated automatically by Grok for you, or at least you might have to click on the thing. And it's showing something that I was talking about last time we got together,

which was Venezuelan AK-103. showing up in the hands of Colombian, Irregulars, and all kinds of shit coming through Colombia being part of the Latin American like drug network. And it is,

they're red caught red handed and that shit is over. Now here's the other thing. People, people want to see America fail because they associate, America with Zog, right? And like, I understand that

perspective, but the level of failure that it would require to not be pleased when you see things that are okay, like, you might not like this, you might say this is dangerously close to colonialism, but

it's not. We're not, we're going to do this shit with Merks, we're going to do it with lawyers and banks, and yes, there's going to be problems in Venezuela, but Venezuela was a problem anyway. We have 20% of their population in America because of what's been going on. And that was a heavily like anti-white Indio thing that's been taking place since like 2014. And so like it's going to be, it's going to be dealt with. Like,

people should not be surprised by this. Jumping in quickly to, to bolster your point, the trend day at Agua thing, that gang became powerful and lucrative through human trafficking from Venezuela to America. Exactly. That's why that gang has any power. Exactly. And so, so yes, it's very good to be skeptical of the talking points of the administration, but they'll still tell you what they're really doing.

There'll be other bullshit sprinkled in there. The stuff about the drugs coming out that's going to Europe and the reason they're blasting them is the money. And here's the thing. They owe lots of money and cause a lot of problems for us. And they also, and it isn't just Paul Singer, it's a lot of people. It's a huge resource. We can process that stuff.

It is very important that China not control a resource in our sphere. It's important that Russia not. like I want Russia to win in Ukraine so that this so that that war stops and they stop sending like white men into meat grinders, you know, Christian Ukrainians and Russians. That doesn't mean that I want a hostile relationship with Russia where we're on each other's borders. I don't want America on Russia's border. I don't want NATO there. I want NATO to go away. but I also don't want those guys in our playground and especially the way that that empowers the shit heels like the Cubans as well as like the Chinese as Stormy has pointed out numerous times. The Chinese basically have naval bases in the Caribbean and huge intelligence operations, not to mention obviously shit going on in America, but they can be much more overt in these rings around us. also that during the Biden administration, that the Chinese were basically running the corridors

and enabling a lot of shit going from Panama up to the United States, this is stuff that we have to deal with. And you can be like, well, I'm deeply concerned about Paul Singer. But that's like, that's a level of monomania that is really bad for your ability to think. You need, you want to see conditions that allow us to recover and gain control. And by just losing all the time and demanding like total collapse, all that'll do is get your children killed. So like you need to have, you need to get a little emotional distance when these things happen.

Understand there's going to be stuff that you don't like. Understand that it's complicated. But also like people are being bitches, man. And, and they're, they're being incontinent and very. feminine and it kind of drives me crazy to be honest people i like there there's even talk about uh maduro you know being a communist and that's a good thing like no the fuck it's not and yes they did steal our shit okay let's let's dispel this bullshit right now because some people on the right are saying that like oh they're a sovereign nation and that's their oil da da da da da no all that oil was

being fucking pumped and refined and put on the market by our companies and our money and our investors and they literally fucking stole it and what did they use the money for to give fucking Venezuelan military gear to the paramilitaries who are selling drugs like that that just happened. The country

the country collapsed and fell apart Caracas became the most violent city in the world in 2015 all by their own fucking doing and this goes back to the 80s. Okay, they're economy kept collapsing because they were so corrupt. They couldn't fucking, they couldn't run the economy.

What happened in Ukraine with the way they were skimming money off the top that we were giving them for, you know, fortifying their infrastructure and the way they were, that's what Venezuela was doing with the money they were making off the fucking oil sales to the point where the industry collapsed and then they had to take an IMF bailout. And then, then that plunged the IMF bailout and the restructuring plunged the country into poverty, which was, it was like a first world nation. That's what led to the rise of Hugo Chavez, who was an actual communist. And then he started to like build it up with the help of international, mostly Canadian and

American oil infrastructure. And then he fucking stole it. Yep. So these aren't, these aren't like good guys. And can I say something? My 80 year old. Good guys and we're the bad guys here. Go ahead.

My 80 year old aunt grew up. grew up in Venezuela. She wasn't born there. She's not Venezuelan. She's an Anglo-American of deep stock because her father was an oil and gas engineer. And he began their like cultivation and extraction industry in the 40s, the 1940s, the 1940s. So she grew up. She spent like, I want to say like 15 years of her early of her childhood in Venezuela and before coming back to the United States.

And and it's like this is people just have no historical understanding of the way this works. Hank Oslo, what he said, the thing that got all these like frankly feminine bitches all tied up in knots was he basically said, the old way of doing it is you're like if you're in my area of influence and you're doing something i don't like you're going to make good on it or you're going to fucking pay me and if you're a problem i will smack the shit out of you and that's the way it is and these same people correctly point out that america and are the old like the old team a and part of team b as i always like to put it that someone framed that there are all these groups of people who were doing this in eastern europe and ukraine until russia could assert themselves

and yes we need to iron that shit out and stop it and stop this pointless conflict we should get along with the russians we should get along with the chinese we're the ones who empowered the chinese they they can only mess with us in our hemisphere because we empower them because we We allow it. But we can't allow them to do this shit. And people just need to stop being incontinent. It's crazy. Like, you're going to drive yourself crazy.

And you're never going to be able to have any influence politically because you're, you're removing yourself entirely from the equation. Look, man, if in my opinion, it's like the same, it's the exact same of people was trying to tell me that this is a win for me personally. Like, both of these things are ridiculous. You're both retarded. You can hate both of these. people at the same time. They're both

stupid ideas. As far as I'm concerned, if there's going to be a large military presence anywhere in the fucking world, it needs to be like off Baja, Mexico, and it needs to be in the Gulf of America. Like, that's where we should, and I hope he keeps the flotilla there. I hope he keeps it

there for years. Yes. And Greenland. Yeah, I was going to bring that up. Also insanely important. Absolutely. I was going to bring that up because immediately Trump went to Greenland. Yeah, where to missile? Yeah. Have you been monitoring this, this, this shadow tanker? Or sorry, that, tell me what you think about this, because it left, I ran two weeks ago.

So it basically embarked on its journey full of whatever it is full of. Yes. Before Maduro was ousted. what could possibly be on this oil tanker because it's not it's not oil shit we don't want to be on it yeah yeah because the shadow fleet oil tankers they just like when we when we interdict them for sanctions evasion they just abandon them yes they don't basically act like a fucking black guy in a stolen car that gets pulled over and haul ass and leave you on it lead you on it lead on an entire cross-atlantic police chase trying to get into the Baltic sea.

Yeah. That's very strange. It suddenly just wants to go back to Russia really, really bad. That's weird. I mean, I understand why it's not like I don't understand why they would have weapons, you know, to stop America, you know, from any incursions into, you know, their area of influence. Like, of course. and I'm not gonna

it was there was a point in time they stole it fair and square there was a point in time when I was kind of like you know what I just can't feel bad for people that fall for this regime and you know get killed in pointless escalations

in the Persian Gulf like when when those anti-ship missiles take out you know a carrier group like duh, right? And I mean, that doesn't mean that I think it's funny or that it's good.

That's what I think was on that ship. Exactly. That's got to be what it is. That's the only thing that it would be. What else? Yeah. Anti-ship hypersonic muscle. Yeah, exactly.

Exactly. And I mean, that's, we are so far behind because of the stupid fucking Middle East. I was telling the listeners, like the George Bush, George W. Bush administration from the time he got elected to September, right? So the whole first year, everything that anyone could talk about on the news, everything that the Pentagon was saying, releasing its 10 years, or its five-year strategic defense initiative, it was New Star Wars.

New Star Wars, new Star Wars. New Star Wars, we're doing missile technology. That's it. doing anti-ballistic missile defense. We're doing offensive missile design and we're doing space ship. That's it. Yep. Yep.

So we got out of the Salt Treaty. Energy strategic ballistic missile treaty. Yeah. Go on. Oh, I was saying energy, nuke power. A three-mile island will be up and running again in 18 months. They just cleared a bunch of shit out of the way like yesterday. Well, no, I just mean like, and then you got 9-11 and the Jews basically hijacked.

Yes. And then drug us in the Middle East. So all of the military technology had to be about defending troops against fucking $20 IEDs buried by fucking sand people. Yes. Right. Russia and China just kept right on scooting along doing missile defense. Funny story. Funny story.

A friend of mine, same age as me in the 90s, joined the army out of high school. and was a, I forget the name of his, the specific name of his MOS, but he was a Stinger missile operator and moved up and was running like a platoon of anti-aircraft defense. And then he was going to go and do the next tier where they do more like, you know, infrastructure-based anti-aircraft systems and everything like that. And several MOSs were erased by the army in air defense after 9-11 because they were like, well, we're not going to be going up against near-peer armies ever. We're just going to be blowing up sand people in the desert. Because they thought that they were out of the strategic. Exactly. Yep.

It was the end of its. Globalization. Yep. Globalization. we're never going to go to war with Russia or China we're never going to have a near peer competitor why would we do that

and I don't want to but you the way that you avoid it is by having the capabilities so that it's the exact same thing that is it Medvedev keeps talking about how wonderful nuclear weapons are nuclear weapons are the only

deterrent for like a peer to peer war Okay, so I will say, I will push back on this slightly. Yes. I was about to agree with you. All right, go ahead. Yeah, go ahead. Okay.

What, it's the proxy wars. In the proxy wars and the peripheral wars, you also need the capabilities to prevent the expansion in a peer or near peer setting by having the appropriate level of technology. You need good anti-aircraft. You need anti-ship missiles. You need to have an effective deterrent, and you need to show it. You need to, this is showing that we are willing to put our money where our mouths are. Now, here's the underside of this. There were Chinese and Russian delegations in Caracas when this mission went down.

I fucking guarantee, I can't prove it yet, but I fucking guarantee that there were conversations about, Taiwan and Ukraine taking place, and they weren't what the critics think they were. I'm positive they made a deal on Ukraine. Did you see the testimony? There was testimony. Right. You saw that in 2019? Yes.

Wait what? I'll find her name, but someone testified in front of Congress and said that Trump was going to get, this was when Trump was in president the first time, that he was going to give, Russia, the Donbass, and China, Ukraine in exchange for Venezuela. Yep. And then the indictment on Maduro came out right after that, and then the election got stolen right after that. Yeah, because what did they want?

The Jews did not want Russia. Correct. The Jews did not want Russia to get to Dunbass. Correct. Dunbass is where all the good shit is in Ukraine. The rest of Ukraine is bullshit. Yep. 100% story. And frankly,

also this is why you see this is why you saw here starmer and all these other NATO faggits coming to the US to fuck with our election going into 2024 they didn't succeed right NATO is not our friend no NATO is not our friend NATO is not our friend and you want to know what Zog is that Zog is NATO is like it's the apparatus and obviously there is our bio or sorry our zio-Leninism that we talk about in our own our own government but as far as the uniparty is that but um they they did not want to give the dunbas to Russia because really the Russian Ukrainian war is yes it's a proxy war but it's a sphere of influence war The reason why Europe will burn itself down for this

is because the war is actually to determine whether Europe is in Russia's sphere of influence or Russia is in Europe's sphere of influence. Yep. That's what this is about. But as far as the nuclear weapons stopping near peer conflict, I was talking to on Twitter earlier, right before we jumped on,

to a friend of the show, Darrell Cooper, about China. And basically, I pointed out, like, you know, I think Astro, you said that fentanyl was, basically, their fentanyl operation was an act of war, which now that you've basically told me how proven out that it is, that this is actually at this direct behest of the Chinese government, I am inclined to agree with you. but before that we recently caught a Chinese national with wheat blight genetically engineered little fucking bacteria bugs to destroy the wheat production America is the largest wheat producer in the fucking world I got to jump here shortly oh my god banker calling

There we go. I gotta take that shortly. So I'll jump off after this. We caught the wheat light. We didn't catch the citrus one, right? They introduced a bug into the U.S. that basically wiped out. It's this, it's called citrus greening. The disease that is caused by this bacteria only existed in China prior. And now a hypervirulent strain of it popped up in Florida 10 years ago, when I first moved to Florida, every single fucking space of empty real estate had just orange trees, just literally just pop, like not not orange groves, just they just existed everywhere. You don't see any anymore, none. Like it's, the only orange, you'll maybe see like a handful of orange trees in that exist that are like in a former orange

Grove and now it's just three or four dying trees in the middle. It's insane. It's insane. Thanks, China. Exactly. And, you know, there was a mysterious virus, that's mysterious variant of swine flu that wiped out 80% of China's pork supply. And then there's that giant synthetic aperture antenna that we used to beam lots and lots and

lots of microwaves off of the ionosphere. year and basically make it not rain by heating up the air way, way, way above the surface of the earth. So where the planes are, like 30,000 feet, 20,000 feet. If you heat that up just a couple of degrees, rain doesn't happen. And now Iran has been for the last eight or nine years experiencing a thousand year drought. That just doesn't end. A once in a thousand year drought that doesn't end. And we live in a world now. There's actually a member of the OGC that genetically engineered yeast to produce gasoline. Really, really cool. He did it in his apartment. And he, you know, came up with what he thought the genetic sequence would be that would give him this desired result.

sent that code off to a lab and a lab sent him back. The DNA and he popped it into the yeast. The equipment to do that, it's about 50 grand. You can 3D print viruses. You can go look this up. You can 3D print viruses. And the equipment costs $50,000, $100,000. Some asshole.

You know, say they know a lot about genetics and virology. And there's an insane person with, you know, 50 grand or 100 grand or whatever. He can make bubonic plague in his backyard. Like, this is the world we live in now, where we have to attack each other and all these other means because we can't nuke each other. So China has to use biological weapons against us in a way where they can kind of deny it. Right? Because if they just did a bylaw, if they released bubonic plague or some shit like that, we would have launched, I mean, per our WMD doctrine, we should have launched a countervalue

nuclear strike and turned China into molten glass. That's what we should have done. So in order for that to not happen, they basically do this right up to the edge thing. Right. where they erode every other part of our society because we can't directly go to war because it just means nukes are flying so it's introduced this new type of thing which is much much worse well put very well put i'm going to jump off a little bit early all right karl and astro all right thanks to take us out thanks for the show stormy

i mean talk to you later car i got to get going too but i want to give you the last word here. So another thing that was posted on the 5th of January, details came out of the New York Times on why the Trump administration decided not to back that Maria Carina Machado, you know, Astral, you and I talked about this. Because again, everyone was like, oh, they've already picked the person. They've already picked the shake and bake government, like, which was what we've done on behalf of Zog

for decades and it never works. The DM regime didn't work. You know, all kinds of Latin American governments that we put in place didn't work. It didn't work in Iraq. It didn't work in all

these places. That is why our government is surprising everybody by basically saying we're going to continue to work with the people who are in the government. of Venezuela because we made we made a fucking deal obviously like and that's how you do this stuff. This is the old Monroe Doctrine thing.

And I know that people get mad. They're like, oh, I'm really mad because that you're, you know, you're ascribing some sort of success to Donald Trump and we can't do that because Zog. And it's like, no, you need to get over your incontinence and learn how to perceive. the world and you need to see that yes, they're shifting

in a more intelligent direction. And when things are better for us, that gives you opportunities to get power again. I'm not saying join the National Republican Party

and vote for, you know, Ted Cruz. I'm not saying that. I'm saying there are opportunities and there's people that are going for it. And that's the only way this happens. Collapsing that you don't get like the plan to date has been

total collapse question mark total Aryan victory. And it's like it that's not how it works. You don't want that. You know, you need to look for opportunities and there's a lot of moves that are happening right now domestically as well. People have been really mad. hey, why are you doing this? I want domestic stuff. This is what Trump just posted 39 minutes ago, or someone reposted 39 minutes ago because it's on truth social. Why would I go there? For a very long time, buying and owning a home was considered the pinnacle of the American dream. It was the reward for working hard and doing the right thing. But now, because of the record high inflation caps caused by Joe Biden, the Democrats in Congress and other things, that that American dream is, increasingly out of reach for far too many people, especially younger Americans. It is for that reason and much more that I am immediately taking steps to ban large institutional investors from buying more single-family homes, terminology TBD, and I will be calling on Congress to codify it. People live in homes, not corporations.

I will discuss this topic, including further housing and affordability proposals and more at my speech in Davos in two weeks. He's going to Davos to put these fucks, which we've talked about a lot. The Davos people are pitching, they're selling how wonderful you are to rich people to try to spread their NGO poison. And Trump is going there to talk about this stuff.

We have been hammering him on the shit and the admin and it's percolating up. They also just ended the, I think it was because I believe it was originally an executive order that allowed H-1B holders to get first-time homebuyers loans. And now that's over. And the Indian press is freaking out about it. So these are good things. They're happening. Stop being so fucking incontinent.

Yes. Criticize the things that you don't like. Talk about reality. Expose these things. People are, they expose themselves. Share their own words. That's the only way that you get the momentum that you want to see.

Yeah, I think the problem is, I mean, other people say this and it's just obviously true. Trump is surrounded by fucking snakes and vultures who will. tank his fucking presidency and they push the the 50 year

mortgage bullshit. Yes. Like it's them. This is like when I said this already on the show, I'm going to say it again. I think Trump actually wants to put 50 to 100 million barrels of oil on the market because he knows that's a good. That's the type of guy he is. It is. It is.

All this nonsense we see. It's like it's like a fucking consulting firm. Yes. It's like the equivalency of a consulting firm going to a corporation and selling them a bunch of bullshit with a really good spin on it. and then when Trump sees the response, this is what we need to see. We need to see Trump being like the guy he actually is

because he wants to do stuff like this. Because he wants to be loved. He wants to be popular. He wants to be a great man. Yeah. So hopefully it's not too late. You know, he he planned a lot of bullshit.

But at the same time, to Carl's point, like, dude, we don't have 50 year mortgages. It's just a fucking retarded tweet. That's exactly. Exactly.

And people ran around like fucking chickens with their head cut off about. Yeah, and 10,000 ice agents just came online. Yeah. And it's like 10 to 15,000 per month for the next couple months coming online, coming out of training. And they surged into Minneapolis. And all the same fucking retards are going, oh, it's because Somalis are Muslim and blah. It's shut the fuck up.

Yeah, let me say another thing again to Carl's point because this is a much needed setting the record straight, Carl, so I appreciate you doing that. I will scream criticisms of Trump till I'm blue in the face every single time he bends over and kiss his own asshole when he tells them to. But at the same time, dude, ICE forceably fucking evicted 600,000 people in 2025. I think that's great. I'm super happy with that. And they were barely. They barely had control. I know.

And we're now in the post-Biden, you know, fiscal year. It's over. And so it is time to go ham. All the shit comes online now. They have the funding for all the shit. All the funding authorization was the last year. Yeah, BBB.

Were you on the call when I brought that up? I wasn't not yet. I will listen to you. No, that's fine. I'm just saying, I brought up the big beautiful bill and I said all the positive effects from that are starting to happen like right now. That's one of the things. Yes, it's huge. It's huge.

And I understand where I totally understand where people are coming from. But like I said, I've said this before many times. In 2024, no, it was it was after October 7th, I said, holy shit. we are going to see a huge pivot. When I saw in the gym in the cardio area, they have TVs and it's almost, it's news and sports. And it's CNN and Fox News.

And CNN, CNN was preparing people's anuses for what was coming. And a, a poster on Gab named Judge Dread, who will, I will always give lots of credit for, for this level of insight. He pointed out that I think it was Finkelstein, who was part of the GOP, part of the Southern strategy. He coined this term, and yes, yeah, but he talked about Team A and Team B being a factional, organizational, self-organizing concept that inevitably forms. and specifically it's about factions that are formed with powerful Jews on both sides,

Team A and Team B that have different goals. You have the Team A is the blue hair screeching anti-white, total white genocide as soon as possible, crash and burn everything. And then Team B are the, they're the more like conservative, like Zionist-oriented. ones who are realizing, oh shit, if America crashes and burns Israel's over. So what they, and there's a team B coalition, which includes people who don't hate us. As, as Pete and Stormy and Astral and all of us have talked about, frankly, ad nauseum, there are people in this coalition who don't hate us, who are still team players with them, but they'll also favor things that are good for America.

And so Israel needs America to have power and military production and all this because they want us to come to their rescue and do their bidding. They want that goy farm to keep churning out soldiers. If they helped establish the conditions where we can reassert ourselves, because the only way they can get that, is if we get reempowered, do you think we're all going to forget the way that they've behaved and talked to us and acted? And all the information that is available about Jewish behavior in history is going to just go away. We're going to forget about it. They're going to push for censorship, yes.

But you know what? Fuck them. It is not part of our tradition. And I don't think they're going to be successful. I mean, we'll see. We'll fight for it. it, but this shit is not going away and we're not surrendering just because it's Donald Trump and you hate Donald Trump because he licks his own anus in front of Netanyahu.

Well, look, man, I got so much to say about that. I definitely have to go. So we will take this up next time. Thank you so much for taking us out here. This is the enormous episode ever. But, yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm stopping myself from just jumping off that.

I got to go. All right, man. Until next to the position is now.