The Pete Quiñones Show - The Inquisition Ep. 9: The European Mind Cannot Comprehend This: American Independence

Episode Date: March 14, 2025

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And after a brief hiatus, Pete and Story and Thomas have reconvened. And I'm your host, Astral. We're happy to see you all here again. This is great, guys. Just so you guys know, I really appreciate you letting me host this on my platform. Since the last two episodes, I'm starting to get DMs pretty much every day. But people asking me, when's the next Inquisition coming out? or all get randomly tagged on Twitter.

When's the next Inquisition coming out? So we're going to try to keep this going bi-monthly. So it's good to have you back, Pete. It's good to have you back, Thomas, and Stormy's always got a place on my show here. So we got a lot to talk about, but before we talk about current events, Stormy was riffing recently on some thoughts he had,

and one of the reasons for being for this show is kind of to take stock of the American right, where it's been, where it is, now and where it's going. And there's lots of reasons to sort of reevaluate what the American right is and is not. And Stormy, we were talking the other day and you had some really interesting things to say about differentiating the American right from the European right. I'm not sure exactly where you wanted to start with that, but I think what you were trying to communicate to someone up very briefly is that while we come out of a tradition that is heavily

steeped in European right-wing culture and European right-wing ideas. American right-wingism is a wholly different thing, and it needs to be communicated differently than European, which is to say that a European model isn't necessarily transposable onto the American right and the future of the American right. No, what would be the index? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So what were your thoughts?

What were your thoughts on where'd you want to go with that? Well, I mean, first there's just like what an American is, I think is very foreign. I mean, Europe has a very cartoonish idea of what it is to be an American. But if we were looking at it from like, let's say the evolutionary level, Europe, by the time immigration to the American continent started, had it been pretty much unsavaged. and in it, I don't want to say deforested, but basically it was meadows and plains. And agrarian life was very settled.

People were settled in their roles and their casts and their professions. This was not the case in America. America has 300 years of race war. It's like this present day. Like my great, great, great, great, great. granddad was the last, one of the last, I think he's the last guy in the state of New York to get killed by it, they killed with a bow and arrow from a fucking Indian. Like in the late 1800s, the electricity existed.

Not a lot, but anyways. So we've been- Didn't formally end until 1912. Oh, really? Yeah. I mean, for everybody thinks that the Indian wars were like an out-west thing. And that is absolutely not the case from as soon as the colonists. Yeah, they definitely didn't start there by any stretch.

No. No, before we even crossed the Mississippi, it was a hundred years of war. The Creek War was the most severe iteration of Ross and Krieg between whites and Indians. And, I mean, that was essentially the eastern seaboard. But yeah, no, the problem is there is no American right because it was outlawed in 1948. Like the American right after the war between the states, it was economic nationalism, you know, high protectionism, you know, the Hamiltonian Imperial Executive, you know, and basically a kind of like soft white nationalism. you know and that like Robert Taft was like the standard bearer that in the inner

war years and that was literally rendered illegal like that's why like Pete and I did like a series on that like it was so after the after Eisenhower who was basically like a placeholder or like a steward like the not it's not the same as a cipher with the contrary

he was like a military man and like an apolitical figure but it's like okay so what's the American right it's illegal if there to be a right wing Oh, well, it's buried Goldwater. It's these guys who want to abolish the IRS and give gadfly lectures on constitutionalism. And then the revolt was, you know, George Wallace and what became the Nixon coalition. And so it became this like, identitarian thing.

And, like, that was unacceptable. So, like, Nixon was removed from office. You know, and then the Nixon coalition, in large measure, like, elected Reagan because they made peace with the establishment. with certain concessions. And like that's what, and that's, like, it's the Wallace Coalition,

which is the Nixon Coalition, which is the Reagan Coalition, which is the silent majority, which also elected Donald's Trump. You know, it's not really right wing, but that's because it's illegal there to be a right wing in America. That's the short answer.

No, I agree with, I agree with Thomas. Basically, whatever we're going to be is going to be iterative. Like, we're finding out, what that is because Donald Trump got elected by basically dog whistling to something that's

supposed to be illegal and non-existent, right? That's true. So the will of the population is there or else he wouldn't have been able to make the incredible amounts of political hay he did on it. Nobody remembers fuck all about Donald Trump's 2016 campaign other than we're going to throw Hillary Clinton in jail and we're going to get all the fucking brownies and beaners out. That's pretty much that that was his campaign in the nutshell. If you go back to his 2015 and 2016 campaign, like build the wall was just what caught on.

But all of his campaign speeches, he's going after H1Bs. He's going a lot about H1Bs. Well, it's been the same, it's been the same, it's been the same sociological tenancies since 1968. Um, you know, at 68 was actually a three-way race. So that like, that was like the cope of, um, of the left was like oh nixon doesn't have a real mandate you know he just capitalized on on a troubled situation you know um especially you know when you consider the disaster the johns administration but then in 1972 like nixon utterly swept the entire country like that's a silent majority

that's what always happens you know and then uh and then like the establishment um like that's basically all the democrats are there's not a democrat party they're they're the deep state and they're the ruling coalition. You know, and they're just like how they brand themselves or the Democrats. But they always claim that like, oh, this is a fluke. You know, like nobody,

you know, like the white electorate doesn't matter anymore, which is totally like at odds with reality. It's just like regardless of your politics, like that's delusional. But then there's always this massive sweep based on nakedly identitarian criteria. like the silent majority, you know, it gets their man into office.

And then, you know, the, and then the deep state like grumbles for the next, like, 48 years about like, this isn't actually legitimate. And like, you know, that, like, oh, the white electorate's done because the new America doesn't approve of that kind of thing. Like, it's complete fucking nonsense. And I think that the, now that the racism ship has sailed, I think we're actually going to accelerate

into finding out what this. thing actually is because I think the the spiritual characteristics like the the soul of like what an American is at an ethnic level is very different than really anything that you can find on Europe because America I mean we've tried to paint over it and cover it up but America has been 300 years straight of violence well it's also it's there's something to, like I was talking to Bagby the other day, it's people mischaracterize

the kind of the anthropological aspects of the heritage American culture. But where the rubber meets the road, it very much is like a dissenter culture that has its roots in

Ulster in Scotland. It's anti-authority people its people who are individualistic but are highly racialized, like, there and here. Clan-esque. Yeah, exactly. You know, and I mean, this is, like, obvious to me, because that's, like, literally my heritage, but it should, it should, it shouldn't be mysterious to people, you know, who are actually engaged with these things on an academic level. Thomas, Thomas, let me interrupt you.

How would you relate that to Yaqui's formulation of race and high culture? I mean, the culture-bearing element of America was like the high church types in the south generally. The north was a little more complicated. Like, I reject the paradigm. Like in that book, Albion's Seed. Like, that author, he tries to claim that America is the legacy of the War of Three Kingdoms. and the civil war was these like northern puritans for the descendants of cromwell versus these like southern cavaliers like that's not true at all and if anybody was the descendant to like cromwell's army it was guys like stonewall okay who was like some kind of like who was some kind of like calvinish shaman you know like puritans uh they're not crypto jews whatever like idiots on the internet think who like spent too much time in catholicians you know like puritans uh they're not crypto jews whatever like idiots on the internet think who like spent too much time in catholic like school. They're not, they're not like, like, like, like,

Cromwell's a new model army, weren't a bunch of prolet liberals. Like, that's not, there's something different. And yet, don't get me wrong. There is like an aspect in the northeast among like Boston Brahmins of like these kind of hair shirt, like literally puritanical. Yeah, specifically in Boston. Yeah, exactly. That's like a real thing, but they're the minority. You know, like it's not like liberals aren't like the descendants of puritan. It's like that doesn't make any sense. What secular views are facing now with birth rates,

these people that Thomas is talking about started on that train in the, in the 50s and 60s. There is very, very few of them left. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. They're kind of, they're like their cousins, like who are the social register types are kind of gone to. But I think Yaqui obliquely made the point,

and Hitler made this point too. Like, one of the reasons I like that Brendan Sims, biography of Hitler so much is because he deals there's like about like 150 page of that book like deal with like Hitler's views of America which he would and and Hitler viewed America as incredibly dangerous

and also the future like literally and that was like the metric by which he considered his geopolitical analyses but he also said that like the South was like the real America I mean I'm paraphrasing but like that was Yaqui's thing too

now he was proven right with where does the culture of Germany come from? It comes from the hinterlands, not from the urban centers, right? This is where Hitler crushed, what's his name, clergy? Yeah. Northern Alabama. Northern Alabama is still a German stronghold. I mean, there's two Catholic monasteries in Northern Alabama.

How many people know that? No, it's fascinating. And what's also an interesting paradigm because in the north, this is a tangent, but, You know, Germans were almost unfailingly, like, pro-union. Like, not because they were, like,

with the exception of, like, some of the no-nothings who were very much, like, no-nothingism was, like, a northern prod movement. Like, it wasn't Southerners. It was, like, northern nativists who were, like, very anti-Jewish, like, very kind of, like,

overtly racialist. It was, like, different than southern concepts, but the, um, what became kind of like the, what became like the post war between the states, like American right, there was something very German about that. You know, like strong state, imperial presidency,

you know, national economics, high protectionism, you know, tariffs paid for the government, evaluated manufacturers of the life's blood of the country. You know, and you had a bunch of guys who'd fled, you had a bunch of Germans on both sides of the 1848 divide. You catch them in the corner of your eye. Distinctive, by design, they move you. Even before you drive.

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unfeelingly, like, pro-union. And that's really interesting. And I mean, when you look at the, when you look at the state, apparatus. You know, like it's, they tried to, like, the American education system, like a bastardized, like, version of the Prussian education system.

You know, like, the Social Security administration is, like, the Bismarckian pension system. It doesn't work, because you can't extrapolate that from Germany to the United States, you know, where you have, like, dozens of ethnicities and stuff, but that was the attempt, and that's why,

you know. I agree. When Yaki talks about race, like, he also mentions he says there's you know there are people who believe they are of a race but they're he talks about people who have a have race yeah and can you explain how that how when you look at the those it within a cult those within a section in a in a in a landmass who are the culture bearing the culture bearing stratum how that place into it because they don't all have to be

Ulster Scots. No, but that's what the majoritarian culture is of like Heritage America. Like if you're talking about, I mean, what's going on? You're like, what is the American culture and like what did Yaki mean by that? We yaki meant by that is that it's a historical phenomenon.

It's historical. It's epigenetic. It's it has to do with linear cultural memory, symbolic psychology. people who consciously live historically and understand

themselves both subliminally as well as consciously as being the stewards of a way of life that's like what it is to be like a race bearing element and you know

in America again like the South was and is a diverse place but I mean so is Ulster You know, there are high church types who identify with loyalism, just like, you know, just like, um, just like reformed, like free Presbyterian church types do. And just like the minority of, like, evangelical Baptists do. You know, that America, if you're talking about, I mean, why do you think like Americans love guns? Why do you think Americans are supposed to property rights?

Like, why do you think they, like, why do you think they, like, why do you think they, like, why do you think, the racial divide is, seems like, weirdly perverse here and unlike other places that comes from Northern Ireland and Scotland. Yeah, there's like this under the surface violence in our, in the race thing. And well, and it's also too. Like, why do you think like lynching was this huge thing in America? Like, lynching isn't like a big thing in Germany or France. I mean, yeah, there's like horrible stuff that happens.

But, like, what became, and don't be wrong, like, it became. very corrupted here. But this idea of the people, like individual people, like, well, as, you know, both as individuals who are privately aggrieved and as members of like, an organic community, they, like, literally have the right to, like,

extrajudicially kill people who commit violent crimes. Like, nobody thinks that way. Outside of Scotland and fucking Ulster. Like, they don't. You know, like, Americans do. Like, why is that? You know? Yeah. And, like, exactly what you're talking about, about the culture-bearing

are coming from people with a sense of race, when you were describing that, I can't not think of the Gilded Age. Like, when I read all of the great men of the Gilded Age, they understood that almost implicitly. Yeah, I think so. They were very different of, they were very different than Europe,

and something special was happening here, and it was their duty to be custodians of it. Oh, yeah. Well, it was two things. It was, there was an understanding, despite American optimism and despite the, despite this kind of concept that, you know, like, oh, like, you know, the Americans are literally a chosen people and, you know, they, they're the inheritor is like a, this great bounty of wealth. But there wasn't understanding really from the close of the 18th century and the Jacoban Revolution that, like, there's a profound, like, crisis in Western civilization and something had gone horribly wrong. So, I mean, in some ways, America was supposed to be like, this, this enterprise was like going to save, like, you know, the white race, if you want to look like that.

But it's also just like in brass tax terms. And Hitler's table talk where he says that, like, America has probably like half the world's remaining resources, just in material terms. That was basically accurate. You catch them in the corner of your eye. Distinctive, by design. They move you, even before you drive. The new Cooper plugin hybrid range. For Mentor, Leon, and Terramar.

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even if Moscow would fall in December 1941, say the Greater German Reich like rains from like the Atlantic to the earls there would have been problems you know europe's basically this indefensible peninsula that doesn't have anything like what it has is it's human capital okay so it's pretty much in when it's like the fatherland aside from like some of the holocaust mythology and stuff it's a counterfactual where the the third rig wins world war two but in the world of like 1964 you know, 20 years after like NSEG, there's this Cold War between the United States and Germany

and their consumption needs are both so massive that basically like the world is being totally depleted of what's left in it. So like Joe Kennedy is like the President of the United States. He's like has this like summit with Hitler to try to like

end the Cold War and like come to terms because like neither like neither superpower can like afford to perpetuate it. And like that would have happened, you know. But, so there's, people, this idea that people,

there was kind of like this boundless optimism and like innocence before is nonsense, but also this idea in terms of deep ecology that, oh, until the 20th century, like, nobody had any idea about the exhaustibility. It's not true at all. Like, if anything, I think people were more cognizant than that. I mean, that's, like, that's where these, part of this for the stuff like these malfusian anxieties what overpopulation came from like in my opinion that was kind of the global warming of the day like it was wrong um they were extrapolating like data from like a very specific temporal sample like into perpetuity but that anxiety emerged from the fact that people are hyper aware of this is not sustainable you know you can't you can't you can't keep hyper capitalism going for a thousand years there'll be nothing left. Like that it's not commie speak, that's reality, you know?

So, I mean, there's a lot there I realize. But yeah, that's the short answer. So it's, yeah, the American promises it were, there was like a, there was like a historical and, and dare I say, like racial and civilizational component

to it too as well as like a material one. You know, it's complicated. But it was by no means, like totally secular. by no means like race-blind, quite the contrary, you know, nakedly theological and very much, very much identitarian. A similar phenomenon was happening in Australia at the time, too. I think it was something that, you know, at least the Anglos were cognizant of it at roughly

the same time. Australia started a little bit later, obviously, but they were getting their start right as what Thomas is describing. was happening in America that conversation. And they immediately incorporated, like, strict racialist policies in the very constitutions of Australia. Like, every, both Australia and America kind of, it's like subconsciously there was this knowledge of this Noah's Ark type situation

after what had happened in France and then later everywhere else. Yeah, and I think Australia America, Australia, South Africa, Ulster, there's that's very much like the Calvinist diaspora.

You know, I think of it. And there's differences between the populations, obviously, but there's uncanny commonalities. And there's also like there's, you know, one of the reasons I like that movie in that book, Resurrection, man,

I'm going somewhere with this. It's not just a crazy tangent. Like, one of the secondary pro tags in it, he's just getting darky larsh, who's like a descendant of Huguenots, but because, like, his ancestors

fled to Ulster when they were getting programmed, and that's why he's darky, because he's, like, got black hair and brown eyes, and he's just kind of a constitutionally nervous guy. You know, like, I, I've got a Huguenot background too in part. And so do a whole lot of people in Australia. So do a whole lot of people in South Africa.

Like there's this, um, the kind of, uh, like these pioneer populations, like literally in here's a South Africa and Australia, people traveling in covered wagons. You know, there was a, there was a pastiche of like ethnic groups that, uh, kind of like ossified into like one tribe, like going to, like, obviously like racial similarity, but also like confessional heritage. And that's something that didn't happen anywhere else, other than like here, Ulster, South Africa, Australia, you know, Tom, I'd like to know if you would agree with this,

but I think that, I mean, if I were to calculate, like from at least from when my family arrived in the country to now, we're talking, you know, 1640 to now, like, there's more than enough time, no matter which numbers you prefer to use for distinct ethnogenesis to occur. Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah, I'm not a European. Like, I've tried to, I don't think you can truly be, like, a European if you're, like, a reform fraud.

Like, I just don't. Like, I mean, Europe, like, Europe proper is, like, Catholic. I mean, yeah, I realized that question was, what's it? check this out i went and looked up uh the um medical stats for um world war one in world war two uh it was more pronounced in world war one but the americans were on average four to five inches taller and about uh something like a 20 pounds i'm trying to do like the stones because like the the you know the brits were doing measured uh weight in stones but uh just ballpark like 25 pounds heavier.

Well, do you want to like at the Hurricane Forest, which was the, that was the greatest defeat the U.S. Army ever suffered. And that was technically a stale

mate, but the objective was never captured and the U.S. Army took 30,000 casualties. But the German like the German field hospitals took note American troops could

like handle a hit from a full metal jacket and shot and sometimes survive and the Germans couldn't because they like lacks that layer of fat like quite literally

which is fascinating you know it was like harder to kill the U.S. Army because they were like bigger fatter people you know than a bunch of underfed Germans who had like gone through puberty

like starving in Weimar you know like it's fascinating And then you have like the casts, right? So like if you were 90% of like let's say the UK and you were either living in London or, you know, a labor run some farm somewhere, your diet was like, let's put it this way, not anything that you're going to grow on. And the other thing is that America's literacy rate at the time of the turn of the 17th, century, America had the highest literacy rate in the world and had done so from 1700 through 1800. So it was something like, it was insane.

Something like a 98% literacy rate. And the way it was explained to me was that basically every American guy had to be a Swiss army knife. Like you had to know how to do blacksmith stuff. You had to know how to do farmer stuff. You had to know how to do hunter stuff. you had to know how to do tailor stuff, roofer stuff,

like you basically had to do all the things. And the only way that they could actually, you know, accumulate this was either apprenticing for each one of these things or reading a ton. Yeah. No, exactly. What's also, too, like even, you know, Stonewall Jackson, um, he,

he was considered at best eccentric and kind of a crazy religious fanatic by some of his peers and at worst like doing something really subversive because he teach he teaches slaves to read because he's like these people have to be able to read the Bible you know otherwise they can't be saved and that was a big thing

you know like even somebody who didn't really care if like you know your average white farmhand or like black slave could read so he felt better himself he's got to be able to read scripture you know because if you go to a reform church

there's no priest. There's something like layman who's like leading worship and it's like you've got to be able to read the word of God. You know, otherwise you can't you can't awaken the inner witness. You know, and that was a big part of it in addition to what you just said. Because yeah, like if you've got to, if you've literally got to carve out like civilization from like the woods, like you've got to be able to do a lot of shit. And if you're some illiterate guy who like lives on cheese and just kind of weights to take order or you can't do this. No, and I think this is why entrepreneurialism just cannot get a foothold in Europe. Like I take that from a VC position, I basically like India has a more vibrant like a startup

and entrepreneurial culture happening right now, at least in tech, China, like Europe is being left behind by nations with an average IQ 20 to 30 points lower. well i mean they're they're under they're under occupation i mean don't get me wrong like europe today they're like they're totally senile and they're like a global joke but um they got to that point because of social engineering you know and um plus like it did even even in the former east block which admittedly is not nearly as bad off as a what was the american occupation zone its true of influence, but that's still like Fubarred the culture. And you got to understand, too, and I'm not trying to upset people or say anything bad about

like Eastern people, but, you know, when the Red Army smashed through the German Reich, it was literally this like orgy of mass rape. And they did that for a reason. I mean, they did that because they're savages. but they change the racial character of an entire, like, massive swath of the population. You had, like, millions of women giving birth to, like, these half-Slavic bastards that changes things. I mean, it's also, what do you think? When, like, Russia's screwed up, you know, Solzhenitevson made the point.

He said Russia is, like, a prison society. Like, what the way people think, like, what being manly is, way people think like the proper kind of ethos is towards like authority like russians think like prison and in part i mean the russians the communists killed 10 million people it's just like outright you know like imagine if in america there's this like mass uprising and basically a bunch of hood rats and a bunch of like really down-out people from like the rural south, basically have slaughtered everybody

with like a higher education. Like, think about that. Like, a hundred years on, like, what would that be like? It would be insane. Like, that's what happened to the Soviet Union. You know? Hang on, Thomas.

Can I, well, I want to ask you a question, but I should let you finish. But I'm going to bring you back to that point. No, go ahead. Well, what do you think about Spangler and Yaki's argument this is from Spengler's Prussian, I can't remember the name of the essay now, where he says that that event basically arrested the cultural development of Russia

and that Russia was not able to basically like come to its own fruition as itself as a culture. And Yaki picked this up and basically said they were like knocked off course by the Russian Revolution and they hadn't really come into their own yet as a civilization. And both of them said Russia is going to be, the next world civilization in the future of the 21st century is when they said it was going to be. And this is kind of, do you agree with that? And do you think that's a proper way to characterize the development of culture? That's what would have happened.

That's what would have happened. Yeah, because the way, the way Adolf Hitler is going to be remembered 500 years from now, he's going to remember it as the man who stopped like the Soviet Union from dominating this entire planet. Yeah. Thank you for saying that, man. That does not get that often enough. The Soviet Union never recovered from the Second World War. Like, frankly, the fact that they, the fact that the, after, after, after the day of defeat, the fact that the Soviets, they dominated literally one-sixth of the landmass of this planet.

And for 45 years, we're able to challenge for supremacy of the world after one in seven of their population, when, down in four years and like just like unprecedented devastation was was delivered upon them like that's utterly incredible. So yeah, the Soviet Union would have been the world hegemon like

had the Third Reich not essentially like fatally wounded it. And yeah, Russia is an important country even it's diminished the like state that it exists today. I spent some time there and they, I would say the most similar people culturally to the American is the Russian.

Yeah, I believe it. That was another Hitler and Yaki coin is that America and the Soviet Union have more in time with each other than either does with Europe. Yep. And I believe that was something with the purchase or the sale of Alaska for as cheap as it was. But if you look at the price of Alaska, the Russians, deliberately gave it to us for pennies on the dollar. It didn't make a lot of sense at the time.

All right, but this is when Frederick List had gotten in everybody's heads, because he's a smart, smart fucking guy. And from what I've been able to gather, the plan was Zarr Nicholas was going to connect the Trans-Siberian Railroad with the

Transcontinental Railroad, which I'd have a lot of the peninsula, I think. Yep. And they were were going to connect up in Alaska. And you would have basically, that would have basically, like, that would have put Europe at the ass end of the world. You had the largest industrial power the world has ever seen. Compare, you know, just integrated in its supply chains, the largest natural resource

power of the world has ever seen. In Europe, it has no, in Europe that has no natural resources to speak of. Yep. No, it's like, when were they talking about? just a railway? Was that pre or post-World War 2? Pre-World War I.

Yeah, it was the Tsarist, the empire. No, it was all the the, um, no, the Russian Empire was, was tremendously powerful, too.

That's why when, what announced that the Japanese arrived as, as a, as a world power was, um, because they, they defeated the Russian

Navy and humiliated them. And then that's how it was a big deal in what, on the evil World War II, when the Red Army smashed the Japanese at Calcan Gold because that was like that was like Russia's revenge

on the Japanese Empire. But yeah, no, Russia's Russians are very interesting people, man. Yeah, I agree. I don't want to be abrupt, but I got to raise up in a minute. because I got a, I still got to pack and do a bunch of stuff.

I'm going to wait for like Astro and Pete to come back because they seem to have gone away. Before you bounce, what, what do you think, I'd love to get your take on this, what do you think of European right-wing political, call it not just philosophy, but also organizational structures, maps onto the U.S.,

because just as far as like our cultural heritage, are kind of um uh are weltanseng i i don't see much and i think that this is the problem with the right wing in america and both and also the problem between u.s right wing people and the kind of animosity that we've seen recently develop from our european counterparts about us well yeah i mean the europeans these days like the mainstream doesn't know what the fuck's go on like they're idiots. Like I know some of the alternative for Deutscheland guys and I know the dude who's kind of like

their liaison with America and he's a good guy and they're like good people. But I so I'm not going to say anything bad about them even if I have reservations about the party. But no, Europe Europe right now is done. Like it's at large I mean like there's a vanguard and dedicated guys who I got mad

respect for but like they're they're they're a complete fucking mess um historically

I mean there's things do there's things that can be gleaned it's it's complicated and especially um the Prussian tradition which is very Protestant albeit of a different lineage than

ours but But there are perennial things to glean from the intellectual canon that created that political culture. Ditto people like Joseph de Maestro was a, that's reason why people compare him to Edmund Burke, because he was very much like a heterodox, I kind of don't thinker. And at the end of the day, if you're truly right-wing, like, he's, Hegel is sort of

Hagel, Aristotle and Heidegger should kind of be like your canon. Okay, so you can't escape that. It marries an incomplete society because it it lacks a medieval origin.

You know, so there's not that there's not like an American philosophical canon. You know, there's a theological canon. There's definitely an ethical disposition. There's a cultural heritage, but you can't, you can't, like, redact, you can't redact, you can't redact, kind of know thought and, and have any sort of grounding in a, in a theory of politics or a praxis, but that's, that's, that's a huge topic. I can't, I can't break it down

simply in the next couple of minutes, but, yeah, again, I let me be abrupt, but I got a, I got a pack, and, um, I'm not going to sleep tonight, but I got to rest my eyes and stuff. I'm going to take leave. But when I get back from Arkansas, when you guys do another stream, I'll be able to dedicate more time. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that we touched on that I think we should talk about more in depth.

Yeah, if Europe doesn't get everyone newt, I think that the dialogue between what is the American right, what it's becoming, and how it's different and how it's the same, is going to be a fruitful conversation. for some time, and I think one that needs to be flushed out. Yeah, no, that's definitely an important topic, and it's fertile ground, so to speak, for a lot of important ideas to be unpacked.

But, yeah, when you guys upload this, alert me, you know, I'll restack it, and I'll link it on my social media and stuff. But, yeah, I'll be in touch with you guys over the weekend. And I think the OGC guys, when we're out in Oregon, so they always do like a big stream. So I'll participate in that. And I'll alert you guys over, like social media. And, yeah, like I said, I want to connect with you guys and I get back regardless. But I, yeah, I want to promote the movie.

So we'll talk about that, too, if you guys are willing to help me. But yeah, I'm going to go. I'm going to show very much. Very excited. Yeah, man. That was good stuff. I look forward to the next time. That was fascinating.

No, I enjoy talking to you guys, as well. Yeah, all right, fellas. I'll be in touch to you guys in the next couple of days. Later. So I don't want to spend any more time on it tonight just because it's way too big of a topic, but his characterization of the folkways

of America. in American history, which is how that book Albihan Seed, what that book Albihan Seed is about, Thomas's characterization is great. I love that he said, we shouldn't think of the Puritans as proto-comis. Because I never thought of them as proto-comies.

I thought they were, I fucking think they're awesome. I think they're based. I think it's crazy how they got this terrible reputation in American history. And I see people saying this all the time on the right. Like they accept this take on them. And I reject it completely.

So he's like the first guy I've heard say that in a while. So I look forward to to more talk on this. Stormy, what do you think about? The Puritans were fucking 200 years of race war before anybody even went out west. They were incredibly violent people. They were some of the most base people that ever fucking live, dude. A hundred percent. And then I go on like the dissident right and they're like, they turn them into like the first liberals,

which I think might come from moldbug, but I'm not sure if that's where people are getting that. I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah. I think the path is, the path goes from the reformation to the Enlightenment to the French Revolution to basically where we are now.

That's what the path is. Enlightenment to French Revolution. Wait, say that again? The Protestant Reformation to the Enlightenment. There's no enlightenment without the Protestant Reformation. There's no French Revolution without the Enlightenment and yada yada down the line. Do you think that skipped us or do you think that we are direct result in that? Oh, I think we just adopted, we adopted a different form of liberalism.

So you look at two different revolutions. You have a revolution in this country and you have a revolution in France. They don't happen at the same time, but I mean, we're talking about, what, a 15-year period, 15-year separation? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, okay, good. Sorry, go ahead. Yeah, so the revolution here is for enlightenment values. It's kind of hard to listen to read the,

the language of the documents and not see the Enlightenment in it. Well, 1789 will say that they were inspired by, they were inspired by the same thing. Well, one just handles the getting rid of a, one deals with regicide, the other way, and basically killing the, all of, you know, all of the aristocracy. and manually, like literally, and then they just try to destroy the aristocracy here

by having a more, you know, a bill of rights, you know, individual rights kind of thing. So I think the parallels are pretty easy to see, and we all pretty much end up the same place. The only thing is, is that World War I, gets fought and it's hard to ignore the fact that World War I seems to have been fought to destroy the remaining monarchies that were left and any monarchy that was left after that was going to be purely parliamentary or was was going to be a parliamentary monarchy and it's really just a monarchy

and name only I mean how many times has the the monarchy in England had a chance to completely and they have this right in their law, the monarchy can destroy, can get rid of parliament and take over at any time and rule as as monarchs. But they don't. Why? Because that idea has just been destroyed. Yeah, I agree with Pete. And I think that there is, I mean, it's kind of like boomer tier, but when you look at how much power these individuals have, I think a lot of that came out of the Fabian society. because if you look at the the web of intentional tripwire

mutual defense treaties that Britain was running around setting up in the wake before World War I it basically made it impossible for this to not erupt not only involve Britain but erupt into World War like it's so much worse than what they're doing today

with like oh we're going to sneak in like I don't know if anybody knows this but there is something called the the expeditionary force that sits on top of NATO that is run by the UK, has its own command and control infrastructure, but has access to any and all NATO, men and material. They plan their own missions. They specialize in gray zone warfare.

Like, this sits on top of NATO. Nobody even fucking knows this exists. So there's also these other things that, you know, exists that most even Brits don't know about, that there is a mutual defense treaty between Poland. and the UK, the same exact country that they're trying to tee up to go into Ukraine right now, knowing that that would trigger a war with Russia and Britain. Like, they're doing the same shit again.

And I can't imagine it's for much of a different reason than what Pete is describing. Because if you look at it, like a calculated way of taking out the monarchies and then setting up all of these overlapping and interconnecting mutual defense treaties for relatively like shithole nations like, you know, Slovakia, no offense, Slovakia, Estonia. Like, what is it at that point in time, like we're talking about global Britain height of world empire?

What exactly interest is it of Britain's, you know, to ensure and protect the territorial integrity of Slovakia. So yeah, I think Pete is on to something about the deliberate destruction of the monarchies of Europe. I don't think that's a conspiracy. And I think the documentation of the treaties at the time back up what you're saying. About World War I don't have anything to say, but in terms of the tradition, political traditions in America, I think that ours are a lot more spontaneous and sort of built from the ground up as opposed to imposed or implemented by like a philosophical tradition and thought system.

So I'm glad Pete brought up Yaki earlier too because he makes it a point in Imperium to say that the spirit of the revolution and the doctrine of the revolution are two kind of different things, that the doctrine of the revolution, like Pete said, if you read the documents, it's basically just all transposed from France and from England, or excuse me, from Europe. Whereas this, the pioneer spirit comes with it a desire not to be ruled. And this gets back, I mean, Stormy, when we were talking before the show, uh, it's not a pioneer spirit, it's a pirate spirit. Remember, a lot of these, a lot of these guys were smugglers.

I mean, yeah, that's part of it. That's part of it. I think it's all like of one thing, you know. I'm not, I wasn't trying to cut you off. I think they're all the same thing, though, is all I'm saying. Yeah. Pete, go into that a little bit more. What do you mean? Well, I mean, a lot of the, what was, what was one of the problems, T-Tax, things? They were smuggling things in, um, illegally. I mean, that, that, that's, that's, you know, that's, That's the way these people, a lot of the founding stock made their money. And, you know, especially the aristocrats and the Southerners. You know, let's talk about the Southerers and the Northerners because really when you look at the southern, the southern culture was based out of Virginia.

You know, Thomas and I have talked about this before. If you want to know where about, and Paul Fahrenheit and I have done it too, if you want to know where the high culture in America was, it was in Virginia, 100%. But if there was any kind of even close competition in the north, it was out of Boston. And notice these are places that are both harbor. You know, Virginia's, how many harbors are in Virginia where they're bringing things in? Then you have Boston, which is another harbor. These people were smugglers. They were, you know, they were bootleggers.

They were all of these things. And it goes back to, you know, what Thomas was talking about. more of an outlaw culture. It's more of we are going to do whatever we want. And I think a lot of what you, I think a lot of the break had to do with the fact that, you know, you can only do that so long until you have to, until you want to legitimize it. And you can't legitimize it if you're under, if you're under the crown or you're under a, um, another authority. So you have to become the authority. I think that's what, you know, people, it's just elite.

It's more like elite theory that you can squeeze into it. It's like, well, we need a new elite class, and it's going to be us, and we want to run things the way we want to run them. And, well, we're going to write this revolution. Okay, we're going to have our independence. Okay, we're going to have this Articles of Confederation. Well, the Articles of Confederation aren't centralizing enough for the Constitution. kind of things we want to do. So let's go and amend the articles of Confederation. Oh, but what we're going to do is we're going to lock the door. We're going to throw the articles out. We're going to write

something completely new, which is a constitution, which centralizes power to the government and allows it to tax the people. And basically, the bootleggers and the pirates took over. That's pretty much how I see the founding of America through my, you know, You know, I'm sure I come from a large criminal line too when you consider that, actually, it was my people who actually came to America and, you know, landed in Florida and put their feet on the ground. And why were they doing that? They were a bunch of psychopaths who decided they were going to try and take a shortcut, do stupid things like that. To Pete's point, if you want to know who the 20 richest men in America at the time of the Constitution was, just look at the signers. Yeah.

The sign, I mean, they were, I mean, every single man on that document would be a Forbes, you know, rich list of America. They were the richest people in the country, right? Solidifying their rule. it was very much an elite takeover I mean George Washington was one of the major liquor distillers in the country yep

I mean people are oh oh it the country wasn't even 10 years old and we had rebellion and the federal government went out there to crush the rebellion what was he what were they oh it was over whiskey distilling whiskey rebellion what was what was the president?

What was the president's business? Oh, okay. Yeah, and that was over taxing whiskey, wasn't it? Over them taxing it. Taxing competing whiskey. Well, Pete, no, I'm glad you said that because I think the pioneer spirits, the pirate spirit, the outlaw spirit, the cowboy,

they're all like the same thing, you know. they're pulling on something. Yeah, something I like to say, but I don't say it that much because there's so many negative connotations with this word. Anarchism in America is a much different thing than European anarchism. Because anarchism as a philosophy, as a thought system, was kind of created by socialists in Europe in the 1900s. But anarchy in America was like a living, a living, breathing experience that, you know, people had in different forms as the country developed over the years. And it was just, they wouldn't call it anarchy. It was just being an American from, as the country moved west, there was all this opportunity for freedom. So, you know, here we are in 2025.

and that spirit, that impetus inside Americans, still lives on to this day. And Stormy, one of the things you were saying to me in our conversation that kind of birthed this episode was that, like, you don't necessarily think the aesthetics and the ideologies of what, and the philosophies of European right-wingism is necessarily going to appeal to Americans. And I think you were, you were definitely getting at, as far as I understood you, people who don't consider themselves right wing now who are kind of like undecided or apolitical that we want to appeal to?

Like, we have to consider that like maybe the European aesthetics and the European ideas and philosophy isn't going to appeal to Americans. I mean, we've never had a only some Americans. And it's possible that

a lot of those Americans are already kind of here. You know what I'm saying? The Americans that that's going to work on, are already with us. And no, we never had a monarchy. And we're kind of like set up against the monarchy. We've never had a caste system. Go ahead, Pete.

Right, exactly. Things started going downhill because, especially when it came to immigration, because we already had all the best people in the world. You know, Hitler said in his second book that the, all of the best Germans were, all of the top Germans were already in the United States. And when you look at it, when did immigration really start falling apart?

Well, it was when the top people in the world stopped coming here. And we were just, they were all here. I mean, if you want to look at people from, if you want to look at the 20th century and you want to look at the best Americans, you're going to have heritage Americans. and the ones that aren't heritage Americans who came here from somewhere else in the 20th century, they were the top of the cast. They were the top cast in their countries

up until a certain point. They remind both pieces of land. And that's what, you know, giant, even that Indian guy interviewed, Giant Bandari said, he said, the problem with that America doesn't understand about Indians is you haven't even met the average Indian yet.

The best Indians in India are already here. And they're not the, I mean, and he won't tell you that they're Americans and that they should be here. No, he will say they shouldn't be here. But he's like, oh, you think you have it bad now? Just wait. Yeah, I think that's a really good point. No, I don't think they are astral. No, I sent you that post recently.

just to do a quick victory lap on Astral's face, which you very much deserves. No, I don't want to. We can do this, but I don't want to get off Pete's point first, and we can go back to the H-1B thing. Yeah, so it looks like we're not getting a million. It looks like Elon Musk is not getting his billion jetes. So apparently someone is thinking along the lines that Pete is thinking. Yes, yeah, yeah. So the demographics of the country are not, they're not sending their best.

Let's put it that way. They're not sending their best. So, okay. And arguably, all the, all the best Mexicans were already here in Mexico. I mean, in Texas. They were all here. I would agree with that. Yeah.

In California. Yeah. So it's like, okay, well, now you're just importing, you're just importing the, the lowest IQ. I mean, if anyone who's ever spent any time in Texas, when you meet someone you know is at Tejano, that person is pretty much as, they're cowboys. They're like Old West Cowboys.

That's the kind of spirit they have. They don't have a subversive spirit. They have a cowboy spirit. And that's pretty much what built this country. Yeah. Yeah, like if I look at pictures of like the, the monasteries and stuff in Southern California

and just the people that were there before it became a part of America they're the most Tejano looking motherfuckers you can see anywhere south of the Rio Grande well those were probably built by the Spanish and they're probably from 16th that's what Pete's talking about

did Tehano? Oh yeah no of course of course Thomas talked about that in the California series it's like really the Mexicans that were in California and I've been in California forever there's no problem with them and heritage Americans who want to scream about that

oh well don't you shouldn't have bought the fucking land you shouldn't have went they and got that land they were already there yeah that was Mexico back then yeah that was they can anybody that's talking about he used to shut the fuck up hardly anyone does it's like Texas you want to

complaining about Mexicans in Texas. I've met people in, I've met Mexicans in Texas, people who their families were there when it was Mexico. Yep. Okay. They're actually being invaded right now by the Wahawkins. Yeah.

And, you know, everybody from the mainstream liberal media and the online right wing says the same thing. Like, oh, there's Mexicans in America who are against illegal immigration. Like it's this big fucking shocking thing. It's like, no, those are Americans. Those people are Americans.

They only, that wasn't America until 1850. And they were just living there before and after we annexed it. They were the only reason that we needed both of them to kill the Comanche. And that's, yeah, and that's why you, yeah, exactly. That's why you specified Wahakins because the people coming over illegally now are totally different. They're completely different. They look, just like night and, day. When Sam, when Sam Houston went to, went to Texas, or when Steve Austin went to left Tennessee and went to Texas,

they weren't attacked by Mexicans. They were attacked by Indians. That's who killed, yeah, that's who killed my wife's ancestors in Texas. It was Indian attacks. It wasn't Mexicans. The Mexicans were fighting the Indians alongside them. Yeah, people don't understand what the country was like. I mean, when was the gold rush 1850 to 1870, 1880? If you were going to go be a gold miner and prospect of claim, you would rather spend eight to nine months on a ship. I mean, like, it'll make the Maria, the Pinta and the Santa Maria look, you know, like luxury cruise lines in comparison to these ships.

you would spend a year on a ship going from New York all the way around South America past the Cape of, what is it, Cape Horn, and then all the way back to the West Coast. That was more favorable than the idea of you having to cross America. Like, to get an idea of how hostile the interior of America was to white people.

You would rather go on a boat for a year around the fucking world and get in a carried wagon and get your ass across the country because you would have probably died. I have an episode in a horrible way. And there's a scene in that book that is based on a real life thing. And I go into it much more detail in the Blood Meridian episode. So I can't remember the exact details. but you can look up newspaper articles about this in Arizona newspapers from like 1870 or whatever. There was a Ford across the river that was basically manned by Indians. And they were charging settlers and people in the gold rush and immigrants to go across it.

And there was like a high class Ford where they would take your stuff and they'd bring you across in a pole ship. and they would bring your horses across and it was pretty shallow. And there was a low class ford that was like way less expensive, but like you might just get swept away from the river in that fort. And outlaws and Comanche would regularly raid the place and, you know, rob the settlers, rob the Indians who were collecting fair. And it was basically like you're taking your life into your own hands going across this fort. Part of the reason why the West was able to be developed so much,

as it was at the time that it was. And part of the reason why the gold rush became like, you know, that much more people going across, is because a group of outlaws, and this is depicted in the book, Blood Meridian, take over the Ford, massacre everybody there, kill the low-class Ford down the stream where the Indians were charging less money,

kill all of them. And instead of taking over the Ford and like charging people for it, they would just rob anyone who showed up. up and just kill them. And then Indians would come and they'd get in huge battles at the Ford. So the U.S. military had to go and take the Ford over and protect it. And they're the ones who started ushering people across. And like this is part of how the gold rush was able to happen. This is part of how like people were able to actually settle the West. So it's exactly what Stormy was talking about. And I go into it in much detail. I remember the name of the Ford at

the time and all that stuff in that episode. Yeah, it really was insane. And that was in the 1890s, 1880s? No, it was like 187. And these outlaws, by the way, the reason why they were even there in the first place was because the Mexican government was paying them for Apache scalps. They killed all the Apache, sold all the scalps.

Then they massacred a bunch of Mexican citizens, sold all their scalps. And then the government chased them out of the country because they were like, we can't have these people, these freebooters, running around massacring people. The Mexican army chases them out of the country and they go straight to this Ford. That's the next thing that they do.

That's what the book is about. And it all really happened. Everyone thinks that like, oh, ever since World War II, America has just been one war after another. We've been at war since the very first ship landed in America. It has been nonstop racial violence. And I mean, we can say that horrible things happened in Europe. Horrible things did happen in Europe.

But nothing was horrible on the scale of the American Indian Wars. I don't think cruelty exists like that anymore. I'd be interested to hear where Pete is with this. But for me personally, like when I was much, much younger, I kind of had the idealistic look at the Native Americans. Like, oh, they were living in a state of nature and they were the stereotypical noble savages. should just live like they do. And basically that white people

genocided them and were mean to them. But then, when you read what really happens, it was, it was like a fucking nightmare. Like Native America, I think that movie The Witch, by the way, is about Native Americans, actually.

In the movie, it's like a satanic force that's out in the woods that's like stealing their children and stuff. But I think it's all metaphorical for the Native Americans. because these settlers would just be out in the wilderness and Indians would just appear out of the woods, massacre everybody, kill the babies, kill the men, and take the women and rape them

and turn them into their concubines so that they could breed. And every once in a while you'd get a settler who just has that happened to them and they go absolutely fucking insane and go massacre a bunch of Indians, like in retribution. Sometimes they would do that. Sometimes they would put the women in a genre. giant deer skin sack, fill that sack full of water and then hold them out over the fire and boil the women to death. That would happen too.

Yeah. So, like, all of this, like, American horror story about the, the demon coming out of the woods and stuff, I think all of that, once I learned about what it was really like to be a settler in America, in the East, in the 1600s, in the East, I was like, oh, this is where all of American horror stories come from. It's this deep-seated fucking blood memory of savages, like materializing out of the forest in the middle of the night and massacring your family.

So I don't know, Pete, I was wondering like if you had this a similar trajectory, obviously I'm stating the case much more bluntly. It's obviously more nuanced. Well, yeah, I mean, sure, I read the book Black Elk speaks by Nihart,

Knight Hart and they he it's always the the spiritual the overly spiritual um warrior who doesn't you know we we'll fight if we have to that's not the reality of what of what these people were arguments could be made that some of the northeastern Indians who actually worked with white worked with white settlers and even when they started forming their own governments, they worked with them. They were friendly. But when you start going out into the West, you know, I mean, dance is what wolves probably did more to promote the this, oh, just the peaceful Indians who never, oh, there's this, tribe and that other tribe attacks them every once in a while they were all out there killing each

all that they're killing each other they're just there were warring factions all across this country you know you'll see every once in a while you'll see someone put up a map of the continental united states and it'll be it'll show where all the tribes were it's like oh this is the real america uh yeah um do you know how many do you how many do you how many wars they fought against each other? Do you think they had any kind of Christian, any kind of Christian idea of, hey, maybe we shouldn't be killing kids or something like that in war? I mean, it's all just somebody else writing the history for us. It's all being sold a certain things. So really, it's just telling white people that you're evil.

Yeah, exactly. These savages, these noble savages are better than you. So, well, I mean, you still got the savage in there, right? Well, what does that mean? Well, can we define that and talk about that a little bit? No, we don't want to know. It's just, it's just telling Europeans that we're, we're scum. And that these people who, you know, didn't even have close, you know, didn't even have, you know, didn't even have.

have like real clothing and you know what ran around half naked women too um they're they were just so much better than you and it was such a peaceful land until you showed up okay sure you can you can believe that but um that's that's not the reality of what it is that's just the worst of revision history and it's not even revisionist history it's just propaganda yeah the reasons demons are as strong in America in certain places as they are as the amount of blood spilled, I think. And there's certain places in America. Yes. Yeah, it's that scared blood hitting the ground.

It's, there is a certain malicious spiritual element to certain parts of the United States where you can just really bad stuff happened there long before we were ever there. like America is a lot older than people think and I don't know where I'm going that but I mean Pete you know I've had some private conversations about certain places in America I'll take it to you know I'll take it well how about if we were tried to we were tried to investigate

all the places where the most violent crime happens yeah and see what the history of that land is see what the history of what was done in the south side of Chicago on the land of the south side of Chicago or Birmingham, Alabama, places like that. I'm not familiar with either of those. What happened in the south side of Chicago? Oh, I don't know.

I'm saying. I'm saying if you were to go back, is there something haunted about that place? You could definitely say that in Louisiana. Oh, well, Louisiana is... In New Orleans. I mean, the Creole have been there practicing voodoo for how many centuries now?

Yeah, it's, and I can't remember the name of the Indians that live there, but were particularly violent. They were the ones that came in and wiped out a majority of the people before the Seminoles. They basically wiped out every single man-woman and child in the, in the Florida's. So there were these pockets of particularly hyper-violent. And this is like another thing. I don't think anyone on the European continent, I mean, the only thing you can compare it to is South Africa. I think the Europeans that came to America and the Europeans that came to South Africa experienced violence of a type that had been dead in Europe for a thousand years.

Yeah, and I think what you mean is, the difference between the violence an established society experiences with its neighbors in like warfare and battle versus the violence that you have to commit in order to like build a civilization. They're two totally different things. And that's a very good point.

Yeah. I think that's what you're trying to say. It's a very good point because I view and this is an unpopular opinion. but I don't view America as part of European civilization or a continuation of it. I see it as its own separate thing. And you're absolutely right. The amount of violence it takes to establish a civilization is very, very different

from the amount of violence it takes to maintain. Yeah. It's a different type of person too. It has to be different because when they came here, they didn't bring the high culture of the old land. They started their own, a new one. This is true.

There was virtually nothing of it. There's the argument, Paul Farronite and I have talked before about, you know, whether a colony can have its own high culture, because there's a high culture in the, in the motherland.

And it's like, well, the people who came here were, did they still want to be British? Did they act? It seems like it was a very, very different breed than came here than the ones that stayed there. And it almost seems like on a metaphysical level, those two groups had to separate

or something bad was going to happen. And just think about the undertaking Like, there was a 90% chance you were not even going to make it across the ocean. How motivated, like, what is possessing hundreds of thousands of people to do that? It wasn't religious persecution. I don't believe that was it. I believe people can get swept up and motivated and driven by a spirit that's bigger than themselves. Like, I believe, I don't, I don't believe, like, zeitgeist, like, whatever the current

thing is, right? I think that's, you know, people that are closedly materialist and don't want to maybe say so, at least in our spheres, don't want to say so, but still have a materialist paradigm. I think that that's what they've used like Geist as, but I don't think that's what that word means at all. I think it is meant to be taken literally. Like, there is a, there are spirits that, you know, whether you call them another word that nobody under fucking nobody in the right understands actually the left is worse with this word now that they figured it out but in egg rigor there are certain spirits that are derived from men or from man in in in mass form right hundreds of thousands of people together with the same ideas will create

a thing that's psychic in its nature that is bigger than each and every one of them and that will motivate them and drive them to do things that they never, A, could have done or even thought possible. And that's what I see when I see hundreds of thousands of people taking what was at that point in time the riskiest sea voyage. Because, I mean, you could go to fucking India or you can go to China. And yeah, that was further away. But you basically just hugged the coast the whole time. Right. Like nobody was going out across the fucking ocean. Like that wasn't happening. And it would be like if everyone started just going, like, we're all going to go to Mars.

And they started piling into rockets and maybe one in ten would make it. And you'd be like, what the fuck are these people doing? As much as I like history, I don't, I hate the minutia of history. Oh, let's talk about this one person or let's talk about, and it's important to talk about one person. But the thing I think, and I think this is what, one of the reasons why the episodes in the series I do with Thomas are so important is because when it comes down to it, we're talking about the spirit of what was being done and why it was being done. Not, oh, this person, oh, that person, sure, that person is playing a part in it, but they're an actor in it when it comes right

down to it. There's this overarching spirit of the age that is in play. And there are people acting within it. There are people who are absolutely possessed by it and are the ones that are pushing it and keeping it going. And then there are others who are saying, oh, we need to push back on this here. And those are, all of those people are important. I mean, what, if, If you want to talk about World War II, people want to talk about Hitler. People want to talk about FDR. People want to talk about Churchill. There's a reason nobody wants to talk about Stalin is because, one, well, the United States sided with Stalin.

And they kind of want to forget about that. And whenever you bring it up, people's reaction to, oh, well, you know, the United States sided with a guy who killed 20,000. million of his own people, you know, killed 10 million people before the war even started. But Hitler, but Hitler, are you saying we should have sided with Hitler? We should have been on the side of genocide. If you're not looking at all, if you leave Stalin out of it and you leave exactly how he was used in the spirit of this age, you're missing what the spirit of the age is. I'm not saying that I even know 100% what it is. But what I'm saying is you have to know all of the moving parts

and you have to be able to harmonize them in order to understand exactly what's going on at any given time. If you want to look at what's going on now, it's very, very easy. And we all do it to go on social media and to go on Twitter X, whatever you want to call it. and nitpick and say, oh, Trump, here's Trump being controlled by the Jews. Here's Trump being controlled by Silicon Valley. Here's Trump being controlled by this being. What is the overarching spirit of what we're experiencing right now? And where is it taking us?

And people don't want to ask that question because it's too, because, well, basically, even the, you have all these hardcore Christians out there, the Joel Berries of the world and, you know, the Neil Shenvi's of the world who think they're spiritual and they're all materialists. And if you're a materialist, you can't even ask these questions. This question doesn't, the spirit of the age doesn't make any sense to you. It can only be driven by men.

But who are men? Once you understand that men are driven, they're either pawns of the spirit of the age or they're driven by the spirit of the age. And every once in a while, you'll get one who recognizes the spirit of the age and is riding it and using it for, and using it in ways that are unseen, that are hard to see unless you're looking for it. Well, I mean, then we're just playing. This is just, this is just pieces on a board and everybody, you can't see, you'll never be able to see a big picture. You'll never be able to see where we're going. I think one of the reasons why we were able to,

at the beginning of last year, even when, when Erickson recognized, like, the PayPal, the whole PayPal Mafia side of what was going on, the reason we were able to see that, and we were able to call so much of what was going to happen, is because we're not materialists. We were looking at it from a completely different angle than everybody else is. Everybody else is just looking at, oh, there's politics, politics, politics. Oh, politics, politics. No, that's not what this is.

I mean, and I think that's the reason why when you saw what happened in Butler, Pennsylvania, people immediately jump to conspiracy theories. This has to be man. Men plan this. This is one gigantic conspiracy. Trump's in on it. Trump's not in on it. It's his people were in on it.

That blood wasn't real. He cut his ear when he went down like Hulk Hogan or a wrestler or something like that. They didn't leave it open that what happened there was going to, to lend itself to an overarching spirit of the age that's taking us somewhere. And now we're just riding it out and trying to figure out what is happening, what has happened, and what's going to come next. And sure, I'm open to making political arguments and from a real politic standpoint. But when it comes right down to it, the reason I can see so much that other people can't see is because that's not the only thing I'm looking at.

I'm looking at a much bigger picture. And when I'm looking at that bigger picture and I'd step outside of myself, and I'm like, I think this is going to happen. And then I'm wrong. Oh, Pete was wrong. I'm sorry. I wasn't looking at it from a political standpoint. I was looking at it from something much bigger.

And if you can't deal with that, if you think it's cope, please stop listening to me. you know, I mean, please just stop commenting. I mean, you're not my people. And I'm fine with that. I don't want, I don't want an army. I want five or ten people that I can trust, you know, that they're on the same wavelength as me. And, you know, it's just one of Thomas's lines.

It's like, I mean, you're not even in the game. You're not, you're definitely not playing the same game I am. So, you know. I'd like to read you guys a quote, an excerpt from an interview that Carl Young did with his time with Hitler. And I think that it will back up a lot of what Pete is saying. There are two types of strong men in a primitive society. One is the chief who is physically powerful, stronger than all of his competitors, and another was the medicine man, who is not strong himself, but was strong by reasons of the power in which the spirit.

spirits of the people projected into him. Thus we had the emperor and the Pope. Hitler belongs to the category of truly mystic medical men. His body does not suggest strength. The outstanding characteristic of his physiognomy is a dreamy look. I was especially struck with it when I saw pictures of him taken in the Czechoslovakian crisis. I saw him and I immediately saw the eyes of a seer. I asked, why is it that Hitler, who is it? clearly makes, who nearly makes every German fall down and worship him, produces next to no impressions on a foreigner. Few foreigners respond at all, yet apparently every German in Germany does. It is because Hitler is the mirror of every German's unconscious soul. But of course, he mirrors

nothing for a non-German. He is the loudspeaker which magnifies the inaudible whisper of the German soul until it can be heard by the German's unconscious ear. He is the first man to tell every German what he has been thinking and feeling all along in his unconscious about Germany and its fate, especially since the defeat in the World War. And the one characteristic which colors every German soul is a inferiority complex, a complex of the younger brother. Hitler is not a political person, his power is not political, it is magic. To understand magic, one must understand what the unconscious is.

It is to a part of our mental constitution over which we have little control, and which is stored with all sorts of impressions and sensations, which contain thoughts and even conclusions of which we are not aware. besides the conscious impressions which we receive, there are all sorts of impressions constantly impinging upon us and our sense organs which we are not aware of. They come from somewhere else. They are too slight to attract our conscious attention.

They lie beneath the threshold of consciousness, but all of these subliminal impressions and messages are recorded. Nothing is lost. someone may be speaking in a faintly audible voice in the next room while we are talking here. You pay no attention to it, but the conversation next door is being recorded in your mind as surely as if it was standing in front of you. Now the secret of Hitler's power is not that Hitler has an unconscious more plentifully stored than yours and mine.

His secret is twofold. First, that his unconscious has an excessive. exceptional access to his consciousness. They are one. And second, he allows himself to be moved by it. He is like a man who listens intently to the streamed consciousness in a whispered voice from a mysterious source and then acts upon that voice. In our case, even if occasionally our unconscious does reach us through our dreams, we have too much rush. too much cerebrum to obey it, but Hitler listens. Hitler obeys.

The true leader is always led. We can see it work in him. He himself has referred to his voice. His voice is nothing other than his own unconscious into which the German people have projected their own selves. That is the unconscious of 78 million Germans. That is what makes him powerful. Without the German people, he would be nothing. It was literally true when he said that whatever he is able to do is only because he has the German people behind him, because he is Germany. So with the unconscious being the receptacle of the souls of 78 million, he is powerful. And with his unconscious perception of the true balance of political, forces at home and in the world, he has been infallible. That is what makes political judgments,

which turn out to be right, against all the opinions of all of his advisors, and against the opinions of all foreign observers. When this happens, it means only that the information gathered by him, gathered by his unconscious, and reaching into his conscious by means of an exceptional talent has been nearly correct, more correct than any of the others, Germans, foreigners, any who attempted to judge the situation

and reach conclusions, they reached conclusions different than him, and they were wrong. I remarked that Hitler's voice continues to always be right. And we are in a very interesting period of time. That's something, something the journalist is asking a question. And Dr. Young gravely answers, yes.

It seems that the German people are in a way. The Germans is remarkably like the... I'm not... He's a dumb... He's doing a dumb, like, Bible comparing it to, like, Jesus and the Jews and Messiah, but the Jews were the people that rejected Jesus. So his analogy doesn't quite make sense,

but here's the good part. Dr. Young said, he closely observed Hitler at his meeting with Mussolini in Berlin. I was only a few yards away from him, but from the two men I could study them well. In comparison with Mussolini, Hitler was made upon me the impression of a sort of scaffolding of wood covered with clothes, an automaton with a mask, like a robot, or a mask of a robot. During the whole performance, he never laughed. It was though he were in bad humor. He showed no human signs whatsoever. His expression was that of an inhumanly single-minded purposeness. He seemed as if he might be a double of a real person, a mirror

reflection, and that Hitler the man might perhaps be hiding inside, like in its appendix, deliberately so hiding as to not disturb the mechanisms. With Hitler, you do not feel that you are with a man. You are with a medicine man. a form of spiritual vessel, a demi-deity, or a myth. With Hitler, you are scared. You know that you would never be able to talk to this man because this man is not there. There is no one there. He is not a man, but a collective.

He is not an individual, but a nation. I take it literally to be true when he says that he has no personal friend. How can you talk intimately with a nation? Where was that from? Do you know a book that was in? This is in a magazine article from 1942, I'll drop it in a chat. But that's basically what Carl Young is describing is what Peter's describing.

It's fucking amazing. People aren't made up of their conscious actions. It's 100% right. I heard a Thomas quote once. I said, if 100 million people think that you're a hero, then it doesn't really matter what you think, because you're a fucking hero. Yeah.

That was what he's trying to get at. Yeah, I mean, that's what an egragor is. Yeah. There are, it's just simply for people who don't want to, he's a messianic figure.

Yes. That's what it is. He's a vessel. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Yeah. It's just,

and a lot of the great men or great men doesn't mean that they when I say great men it doesn't mean that they had to do great things that you agreed with but the great men were vessels

they were vessels for something else and the people who chalk Hitler up to being a psychopath just concerned about himself oh if he if he loved the German people so much why did he get so many of them killed?

I hate that argument. I don't want to punch everybody in the face that says that. It's the most fucking retarded. You're a liberal. You're a fucking leftist. That's a leftist question. That's a question that comes out of materialism and pure emotion. Pure emotional materialism.

How does it make you feel? How does it affect you personally, though? Yeah, I mean. I believe Napoleon also talked about a voice in his head or a guardian angel on his head that would give him advice. Do you think that that's a... So does Les Wexner talks about that too. In Debuck.

A little bit different. Do you think that characterizes Donald Trump at all the way he explained Hitler in any sense? Maybe not completely? Yeah, I do because I've noticed. like he has an ability if you ever like listen to him he doesn't really have all that much

to say right like if he is okay no hold on hold on if he is like if he is doing the bidding of the nation okay and you're like well he trumps all over the place

he does this for the Jews and he does this for that well what's the nation we're a multicultural we're a multicultural nation if he's doing If he's channeling the spirit of the nation, the spirit of the nation is completely fucked up. It has no, there's no focus to it. It's a fight.

It's spirits fighting with each other is what it is. So if you look at Trump and you're like, oh, well, you know, if you look upon him in this way, you're going to look upon him as how many spirits fighting each other within him? wanting his projecting their wants and needs upon him. I think these are opinions of people that don't understand what it is like to have political power. Not at all. A nation state depending on you. Like you are their will collectively.

That is a sanctifying experience. You are basically, in both the literal and spiritual senses, forced to become more than an individual, more than just yourself. And everyone's like, well, how can he doesn't age? How can he doesn't age? How does he have so much energy? Because I don't think it's him that's moving him. Don't be wrong.

I don't think, you know, Trump is a, you know, American, you know, Christ-like figure or anything like that. But I mean that these changes, but basically what possessed Hitler, would have found someone. else. This is the thing about the agregor. The agrigor is made by the people, right? When Carl Jung is talking about the unconscious cries

of 70 million Germans. Germans. Yes. Germans is the most important part of that. Yes. Yes, it is. They are all of, it is a non-confused message. But when 70 million people

cry out for in pain or, you know, in oppression, like people don't understand, again, if you look at this through the material lens, materialist lens, none of this is going to make any sense, but you're fucking wrong and you're dumb. I can walk into a room, right? 10 seconds after two people have just gotten into a knock down, drag out, screaming fight. I didn't hear any of it. I had all my headphones on as I was walking into the door. All right. And they had stopped.

And both of them are in separate rooms. I don't even see any of them yet. I know the second I walk in the door. And every single person has experienced this. So please tell me if the, if, your conscious feelings like anger, like hatred, like despair, like pain, if those are only feelings in your head, then how could I walking into that room, right? When both of those people, the husband's in the garage, the wife's in the bedroom, both of them are fucking angry. I'm

upset and, you know, just had the worst fight ever. I don't see any of them. And I know that they just had a fight. It is still there. That energy is still in the room. This is when people say, like, oh, I can cut it with a knife. Cut what? Exactly. And you times that by 70 million people. It creates a type of spiritual gravity that has a runaway effect. I think of how like stars form. It's all like gas, and it keeps pouring in and pouring and pouring in. And all the sudden it gets so dense, something, you know, now exists. That thing is going to find a vessel. If it wasn't Hitler, it would have been somebody else. But it is a thing on the conscious plane that has its own agenda. The 70 million people suffering, it has a purpose.

Right? To fulfill that purpose, it is going to go about fulfilling it in any way it wishes. and it's going to find it's always a man it's usually a man without children but they they know where they're going so you can't chalk any of this up to Trump you can't chalk any of this up to Hitler they were a vehicle for something much larger than themselves

yeah the tides of history they were going that way already and it's well again what is the tides of history it's the culminated it's It is a sum total of billions of conscious minds. Well, and it's also the cunning of reason. I mean, it's God working, working through it. And that's what most people don't want to hear.

Yeah, when you talk about, when you talk about, yeah, when you talk about Hegel and the cutting of reason, people are willing to listen about Hegel until you get to that part. I mean For people that don't know what you're talking about Well it's like okay so how It's like How can a

How does God allow You know a Stalin To come to power Or how it's just Basically it's The cunning of reason is that you just can't understand What God's plan is and somehow you use it.

That's why when Thomas talks about politics, when he talks about this stuff, notice that he doesn't really ever get emotional until it comes to people's materialistic kind of stupidity. Mm-hmm. You know, he's very unemotional about this because, you know, like he says, he goes,

you know, I'm a reform Protestant. that God is going to do what God's going to do. That doesn't mean that we don't do, you know, we don't, we aren't compelled to do what we want to do. But it's all the cunning of reason. It's all, this is, no matter what you're seeing, it's all a part of God's plan. And people just don't want to accept that because in a materialistic society, everything, if people are starving, if you're at war, if millions are dying, how can this be? part of God's plan. Yet it is. It's because they can't understand that only man suffers time.

God does not suffer time. He is outside of time. Therefore, anything past, present, or future, he looks at as one thing. Because it is one thing. It's only not one thing. If you're a human being in the material world, then it's a linear thing. But if you are outside of that, it is not. So unless you can see 500 years in the future, you don't know what God's plan is. You can't see outside the horizon of your own lifespan. So things that may not make sense now are going to have huge ramifications hundreds and hundreds of years ago or from now.

And technically, you know, this could send us down a whole rabbit trail. So we don't live in the past or the future either. we just live in the present. So, yeah, that's another one that can, that people want to, you can argue over all day and everything. But, you know, the, the, we anticipate the future and the past informs us, but we're always living right now. And all of our decisions are being made right now.

This is why I don't want to do an ongoing play-by-play. of every single one of Trump's moves. That's why I'm glad we didn't really talk about any of that stuff tonight. Because what Trump is doing right now is disentangling himself from some very fucking serious fucked up situations that his predecessors put America in. Ukraine and the war in the Middle East. It's really fucking bad. And it takes, it's going to be a painstaking process to be disentangled from those two things.

and he's going to have to do things that the little people aren't going to fucking like and they're not going to understand it and they're not going to have the long-term well-being of the country in mind as they watch every single decision Trump makes. That's why I don't get mad when he does shit that I don't like. No, he just announced today that no Palestinian is leaving Gaza. So that means he's leading everybody in the wrong direction for the past few weeks. Exactly.

The other thing is that like the forces that Astral's talking about, you have two of the worlds, the US is actually really bad at spook shit. Sorry, I have a root canal so I can't, I can't pronounce my pee. Yeah. We're really bad at spook stuff. You know who's not really bad at spook stuff? Israel and the UK. Exactly.

Israel and the UK, the UK has been spending the better part of a decade setting, America up to go to war against Russia. And Israel has been doing the exact same thing for Iran. So two of the best intelligence agencies, the most spooky of spook shit, have been laying 10 years plus of groundwork to entangle America into two wars. Either of them would be catastrophic. And in case of Russia, it would be over. UK and Israel and Ukraine.

Ukraine isn't necessarily good at spook shit, but Tucker keeps referring to them as evil. He keeps saying their government is evil. They are evil. What Stormy is saying with UK and Israel spook shit, at the same time, the corrupt motherfuckers, and when I say corrupt motherfuckers, I mean measurably the most corrupt people in the world,

measurably the most corrupt people in the world, are working with... All the Jews of... The USSR intelligence went to Ukraine. Yeah, they're all working in tandem to get us embroiled in this shit. 100%. The entire Hebe side of the KGB operated out of Ukraine. All right.

Like all of the USSR's, you know, tiny hat part of its intelligence forces chose Ukraine. I wonder why to operate out of. So after the fall of the Soviet Union, I mean, look, Putin had to kick out how many oligarchs of the tribe? Four or five. There's four or five of those same, you know, tiny hat oligarchs in just one city in Ukraine. Right? It's like the people that Putin had to throw out because they're absolutely upending the political process. and taking over his country in the late 90s or sorry early 90s

right he kicked four of them out yeah to great fanfare not fanfare but like to great media hysteria he kicked four uh fucking jewish oligarchs out of the country all of them fled to london and tent right but that was it all the other oligarchs that's london and tel avivans and london and hel of me thank you people Thank you, Pete. All the other Russian oligarchs, the ethnic Russian oligarchs, stayed and worked with the government. But notice how many oligarchs there are in Ukraine. There's high double digits, and they're all of that tribe. And it's effectively just been interwoven with the Ukrainian intelligence forces since the fall of the Soviet Union. So Tucker is not wrong.

Yeah, I think a profound evil happened in Ukraine. I don't know what. I don't know if it went on before the Hall of Dmore, but I don't think that the pale settlement is on the place that it was for no reason. I think there's a geography to some of this. Like Pete and I were talking about places in America. I think there are some places are evil,

and anything that grows there is evil. You know, when you, you, people want to ask, It's like, okay, so when a certain tribe gets into power, or gets influence anything, how come everything goes to shit? Well, you're talking about, you're dealing with materialists, and Shaha clearly shows us in his book. These aren't people who believe in an afterlife. These aren't even people who really believe in a spirit world. They're materialists. How do you?

how does the spirit of God work through, would even work through them? How would the spirit of the age even work through them? In the only way that it would appear the only way that it can work through materialists, and now I'm including not only the tribe, I'm including all the other, you know, all the other people who've joined right along with them, is it has to be some kind of force from the outside that is pushing them to do materialist bidding to govern and to live and to push society to live just like they do because if society is living as non-materialists, that's who pushes back against that.

That's who recognizes materialism for what it is. So that's why everywhere they go, they have to destroy the non-materialists, the people who believe in the metaphysics, people who believe in the spirit world. people who can believe in the spirit who can believe in the spirit of an age the people who can adopt a high culture because they can't get what they want which is the riches and the power now if there are people who are living for something that goes beyond this world they just get away what is the deal they made in Babylon israel shahots Jewish history Jewish religion I read the whole thing on my show. It's 100 pages, anyone who read it.

It's easy. And he just goes through and shows how these people aren't Jewish. It's something holy other. And there's no... And there's no spirit. And there's no spirit. Yeah. And there's no spirit to it.

there's no it's all this magic it's just tribal yeah it's just tribalism and magic yep because if you look at like the the um the Sephardum and basically

the ones that are the Jews people that are still in the Middle East it's they may as well have functionally different religions like entirely and the ones that you know and like the Mizrahi and the ones that are from actually from that area they have radically lower IQs

than the ones who are from Europe and the ones who are from Palis Settlement and the ones who, the German Jews who came here in the early 1800s and a lot of them settled in the South. I mean, radically lower. I don't know what that means, but yeah,

but they seem to be some of the most violent and some of the most, let's kill all these fucking Arabs and take all of this land. Yep. Well, listen, guys.

You think the high IQ would almost be civilizing in a sense, right? Because I have to call it a night. It's almost midnight. But I feel like today's episode, we brought up a ton of stuff we need to elaborate on. So let's call

and none of it was current events. Which I'm happy about. Because I was getting a little bit fatigued. a little bit fatigued on gaming it but yeah let's reconvene ASAP maybe we'll even look at maybe even next week I don't know when Thomas is back

off the road but we could do a shotgun episode before he's back but this is good this is a lot to a lot to talk about we now that we flushed out I think we got to a really good point because we kind of flushed out what makes America different

yeah right what makes the American different and what forces actually drive political and cultural realities. And we used Europe as a reference, but we were talking about forces. So you're going to want to identify what those forces are here in America, because I think that is going to shape where we're going. To Thomas's point, America hasn't really had a chance to be right wing yet. So that means whatever comes out of here.

Because you've got to be fucking blind to not notice that there is a, very big zeitgeist shift in American politics and that things are possible now from the right wing perspective that were never possible before, just even in the terms of dialogue. So whatever's coming is going to be new. I just said

this to you guys and you both, I think, instantly fucking agreed with me. Today, I think it was. I was like, guys, I think at this point, I fucking hate the blackpilling right winger more than I hate the fucking pro-Zionists. Because of what Stormy because of what Stormy just said,

said, you don't see that we're on the cusp of something. Like, at least the Zionists are also fucking excited. And I know they think part of it's because they're going to get what they want out of it. And maybe they will get some of what they want. But to be in this. Well, what they want is a complete destruction of the West and Christian civilization, ultimately. But that'll take a long time. Good point.

But to be on the cusp of something. something great and something new and different. Because, I mean, I'm old. This never happened in my entire life. Thomas has said this on the show more than one time. We're in new territory. We're an uncharted territory. And to not perceive that you're on the cusp of something different and great and to be like,

nope, see, told you, fell for it again. Every fucking time something happens, I just can't look at it as anything other than petulance. And I'm just sick of it. Well, it's because they think Trump is in charge. They don't see the big picture. They don't see the full spectrum. They don't see, to put it in your words, Pete,

they're looking at it from a materialist perspective, which I don't think they think they are, but they are. There's no more materialist groups of people than ostensibly Christian people on the right wing. That's funny you say that, because I was going to specifically ask you if you thought exactly that no yeah i mean i i hear all these guys talking to me about like you know christian about and just the way that they describe things the way they engage with or try and make

arguments you're like you don't actually believe what you say you believe because if you actually believe that none of that would make any fucking sense