The Pete Quiñones Show - The Inquisition Episode 37 w/ Thomas777, Stormy Waters and Karl Dahl

Episode Date: April 2, 2026

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All right, we're live. Episode number 37 of the Inquisition, everyone's favorite right-wing panel show. Pete, how you doing? To bring it back to what we're saying for one live about the demographic that's targeted for agro by these Zionists and anti-fascist NGOs. This idea, too, that in what they call pejoratively flyover country, people are sitting around thinking about Jews. I mean, that doesn't, there's a reason why, like in the old resistance days, the skinhead movement jumped off in, you know, New York City, Chicago, Detroit, Los Angeles.

It wasn't a much of rural guys, like, deciding that at the top of their agenda was to be hostile to Jews for no reason. You know, basically people who were, I mean, things have changed a bit now because there's a wider conceptual horizon people have just doing the just doing the information technology and things obviously but this idea that randos just sit around thinking about jews is bizarre i mean that's one of the reasons i always emphasize to people that this garbage this this this this nonsense cult that these pieces of shit like ted cruz abide like nobody's actually into that there's a handful of a dumbass walmart shoppers and an 80-year-old ladies who are into that but, you know, it's a million miles wide and a quarter centimeter deep.

Like, I mean, first of all, no one's going to go out and die for Israel. Okay, like, none of these, like, dispensation lists are going to literally go die for Israel. So it's a fucking joke anyway. But, you know, nobody is just not relatable to anybody. Like, why is this even on your mind? Like, that's the reason it's so weird, it's like, so you're in rural Texas and you decided you want to pretend to be Jewish. Like, why would that even occur to you? you know and it's um what remains the bully pulpit allows people to abide this uh propaganda narrative

that there's actual depth to this you know it's like i like Scientology has like a billion dollar endowment but all like 2,000 people who belong to it you know i mean it's so they they buy a bunch of real estate and they put out these very slick looking sort of promos and stuff but it's it's hollow there's nothing there you know um one and it changes it changes as like the i guess you like to your point as the lump and parole check uh you know changes like basically whatever jews are afraid of this is now the hotbed of of anti-semitic thought first it was like you said rural whites which made no sense now it is you know young men right like young white guys yeah like Yeah. What's like how to, I've even heard the term in cell in probably seven years until these, until these normies started bandying it. It's like how they, it's like, it's like, it's like these normies all heard about the proud boys like two years ago, despite the fact that like nobody's, like, like, like, the proud boys haven't been anybody's radar since like January 6th. But they, they like just heard about it because they're always six years behind, you know, and that's their, that's their current buggy man.

not traditionally and I was talking to a friend of mine because she she was a she came across this this stuff when she was doing some research on the black legion which was this rogue clan faction in Detroit and they're actually gonna dope they had these black uniforms you know they for they decided to forego of the white hoods for these black uniforms with a variant of the tone cough as their heraldic standard but in the north uh tradition the South is viewed as basically, you know, friendly to Jews, or at least not opposed to them. And the earliest Jewish settlements in the new world was Sephard Dian, who settled the South in the 17th century.

That's why the Leo Frank narrative made no sense, you know, from the ADL side. But traditionally, northerners, people like me, like northern Protestants, northern urban Protestants, like Trump's father was, and people like me are viewed as these kind of like Jew-hating sectarians. And like in the South, it's, you know, it was viewed as well, you know, Southerners might not be particularly keen to Jews and Catholics, but they're not hostile to them and everything is race, you know. It's weird how they flipped it like that. Like, oh, in the north you're fine, but those Southerners just hate Jews.

It's like, how do you figure? There's no precedent for that. And there's not, you know, it's not an accident that the 1920s, clan, you know, the D.C. Stevenson clan, when it, when it swelled, you know, literally like five million members, you know, it was, it was based in Indiana, and its heartland became, you know, the Midwest. And it was an, it was an ultra sectarian outfit. You know, they weren't sitting around talking about blacks. Like, why would they? You know, that's, so, I mean, aside in the fact, I mean, yeah, I realize trying to tease out accurate narratives from

what amounts design is propaganda is a fool's errand but it's oddly illiterate on the american situation um i guess and uh yeah yeah really whoever the whoever the hotbed of anti-semit semites are wherever their socioeconomic class whatever it really just tells you who their target is the jews not these supposed anti-semites that don't exist yeah well the reason the the reason in the south that is just so false is because Because people start to have opinions about the Jews when they're around them. Yeah, exactly. You know, and I'm from New York.

I grew up in New York. I lived in New York for the first 18 years of my life. I was around them all the time. Yeah. Down here, I mean, it's an outlier. When you, in Alabama, if you meet a Jew, it's an outlier. You meet 500 people, maybe one of them will be Jewish. What also odds are in the deep south, you meet some Jewish guys.

He's going to be some like Shelby foot type who's descended from Sephardine. And, you know, culturally he might be different, but he's not, he's not, he's not some urban Ashkenazim who, you know, whose parents immigrated here in 1930. He's got all these, you know, conceptual prejudices that originated and festered in the pale settlement. It's a totally different thing. And, yeah. Interesting thing about the Sephardum in early America is, you know, You know, much like how the various Protestants came to America, I mean, the religious persecution thing, okay, all right, like, it's a bit of a stretch, but basically to kind of break away from religious structures that existed in the old world. And the Sephardum that came to America in the early days, so 16,700 into the prelude of the Civil War, very much came the same way that the Protestants did.

Because if I look at Sephardum culture at the same period of time back in Europe, it is hyper racialized. It is hyper-clickish, hyper-hostile to, you know, European society, European civilization. And this is where you see like the early setups of like these rabbinical schools, these, you know, Talmud learning centers, whatever. And it was very much at odds with. But the Sephardum that came over in, you know, colonial America, they were, very similar to the prods where their religion was almost a secondary function. Like they were kind of starting from scratch the same way the Protestants were. Yeah, it's its own thing.

And, well, yeah, that's why JP Benjamin, you know, he, there wasn't, you'd be hard-pressed to find. I mean, Benjamin actually was, he kind of had a role almost like Earhart Milst did because he arrived too late in his role because the war was already lost. but he actually had a very deep understanding of scaled economics, and he had the right idea in terms of what he was trying to accomplish. But even his enemies, there wasn't this notion of, oh, he's like a dirty cube. Like, it wasn't the way people approach things. And plus two, there really is a difference.

Like, I made the point in, as the Zionist state really sort of consolidate, you know there's a fascinating incident where IDF shot it out with Ergun as the as the IDF tried to disarm Ergon and these Sterngang types you know to consolidate

everybody into the IDF who was you know racially Jewish according to the strictures of the Zionist state you know who was under arms and um I haven't coded the data but the uh what became the the core of these of uh the Zionist the militant Zionist establishment

was almost exclusively Ashkenazim like I said I think Ariel Sharon was an was an Oriental Jew like his his lineage was indigenous to Palestine but he was that was the exception mostly die on I'm not sure either but most of these guys they had a background like Ariel Sharon. They were these dual citizens. Like Netanyahu, they were these dual citizen Ashkenazim who didn't have any connection to the region before the, you know,

Zionist enterprise developed real momentum. You know, and they're the sons and grandsons of, you know, people who emigrated there to ethnically cleanse and occupy Palestine.

And that's not accidental. not accidental that there's not some ecumenical sensibility between orientals syphardim and the askenazum at least within that faction of the zionist state and after rabin was murdered i mean that's the only faction that really matters so that's very interesting if you've had the unfortunate uh experience of having to do business with israelis which if you're in tech uh you don't really have a choice you'll bump into them eventually. Right.

And every one of them will be very honest with you that it is a racially stratified caste system. Oh, huge. That's what the state is. Well, that's also, that's why I said, Israeli government seeks to preserve Ashkenazi power over the other, you know,

types of Jews that live there. Oh, yeah. Well, it's also when, um, the Ethiopian, when Ethiopian Jewry was pushing for, was finding silly. The right of return status.

You know, what was Tel Aviv's claim is, oh, these people aren't Jews. Well, they got, you know,

their DNA maps. They certainly are Jews. You know, the whole, I mean, Ethiopians are an interesting people. They're very much an outlier.

And I, I believe, this is a bit of a tangent, but if you read about what happened in Rwanda, it was, the, the war cry,

the Hutus, translated to something like, send the Tootis back up the Nile like their view is that these aren't real black folks. You know, there were some Arab overlord cast and there's something to that. But be it as it may,

the view of Tel Aviv was basically like you know, these these end words aren't real gus. You know, they're a bunch of darkies. But I mean, it's like they, it's like, look, according to your own strictures, these people are Jewish. Both can be true. So are you a racial state or are you not?

Yeah, no, 100%. So it's like you can't, and I mean, they're the ones, it's these, it's these art Zionists who They sterilized all them, didn't they? Or tried to. There was something fucked up like that. Yeah, I remember this is, this, this happened. They told them that they had to have mandatory vaccines because they came from Africa. They could be carrying malaria. And they found out later that they were sterilizing the fucking Ethiopian women.

Yeah, I think it was a temporary sterilization, like a, like a, like, I hate when I get one of those. I get experimental birth control. Well, because it may, the entire, that's why it's bizarre. I mean, it's one thing if these, if these simpletons want a bandy, moronic, uh, cold war talking points or bumper sticker pablum, like Israel was our only ally in the region. But you can't, if you're going to go around and claim that Israel is this liberal social democracy, that's just asinine.

It is a, it is an a, it is an overall, no, racially racial, socialist state. It's just not anything else. It's never pretended to be anything else. And it's kind of incredible to me, you know, people will just parrot that. You know, that's totally, that's uniquely at odds with reality. Yep.

And how it functions in the West is as an organized crime syndicate. Oh, that's true. It was a home base for organized crime then and it is now. No, of course. But I mean, even in value-neutral terms, claiming that Israel is a European-style social democracy, it'd be like insisting, Japan is a Marxist-Leninist state. I mean, it's just like an odds with reality in naked capacities. You know, it's, um... So, um, I'm off of Twitter, but, um, it seems like Japanese and Americans are having a love fest over their hate of the rest of the world on Twitter lately.

like like um my my friend tom woods said said something when he was recording with oran mackinty yesterday that um he's he paid for his three kids his three oldest girls to visit japan ago and what he what they said was and i thought this was really interesting was they loved Japan, but they felt like they didn't belong there. Yeah, I can attest to that. That's the way it was 35 years ago. They'll be polite and everybody will go out of their way to be solicitous, but they're not going to pretend like you belong. And there's something impenetrable about about Japanese society, but it's, um, and if you try and go to like the wrong bar

at, you know, in the wrong place, the less sophisticated, you know, much smaller than you bouncer will probably be the only person in japan that will say it will tell it to you straight but that's what everybody else in japan is thinking and that's no gaigian allowed yeah it's like you don't belong here don't be obtuse you know and it's yeah no i mean japan's a tragic case and don't get me wrong i mean it's like a dying civilization because america literally murdered it but they're not the way they're going out is just kind of out of like quiet despair they're not they uh it was what america what America tried to do to America, don't get you wrong, America tried to do to them. It was done to Germany, but it failed because it was impenetrable.

There's not a common enough vocabulary in conceptual terms to, to dismantle it that way from within. What's interesting is what's happening with the youth in Japan, Tom. I don't know if you've been paying attention. They don't get any real press, but like a lot of the guys on the right will pay attention to like what like the European youth are doing. and a lot of the various right wing movements because of I guess up until now we've had virtually no access to Japanese you know kind of cultural

you know artifacts and and news but the right wing particularly sub 40 years old is booming in Japan no that's great these guys are up on all the stuff that we're up on

no I mean the guys from uh I mean this is very subcultural but uh I like bound for glory a lot you know they're an old RAC band American REC band and they're from Minnesota they're from the Twin Cities they went to Japan this was probably like five six years ago um and they played a bunch of shows because this one this one Japanese right wing outfit brought them there and um they dropped a bunch of cool stuff before their Instagram account got nuked you know they were saying they were dropping eye praise on this Japanese cadre that like roll out the red carpet for them which is proper i mean the the Japanese are allies just just like you know adjacent elements within Darryl Islam are and i mean that as it was in 1940 as it is today but the

one of the obstacles to the Japanese right and you get they touch on this a bit in the Paul Schrader by opca yukio-mishima traditionally with the exception of some high-profile pauls, particularly in Tokyo, who were openly right-wing, who got into executive or mayoral roles and stuff, right-wing sensibilities were bound up with criminal subcultures, like Yakuza guys, were openly right-wing. The, the biker culture there, which is totally different than, like, the one-percenter culture. you know that the stuff that was a subject to their old documentary godspeed you black emperor those guys were basically the farm team for the yakuza you know they they were open they'd openly like fly a right-wing anti-American flag but um you know in uh as japan um as kind of like celery man culture became dominant i mean that's totally faded now to your point but anything

that appeared to be disreputable in class terms. And it didn't help that so many Yakuza guys are of Burakuman heritage. Well, no, I think that's actually you hit on a really good point, Thomas, in class terms. And I don't think a lot of people understand the distinction. You mind going into that a little bit more? Yeah, Japan's a truly feudal society. The only thing really comparable is the UK in our experience, but Japan's former homogenous than the United Kingdom.

And people look at the Yakuza, they say it's the Japanese mafia. It's not. It's not like the Italian mafia. Basically, and even the term Yakuza, that card game that they all play, Yakuza is a, it's a, it's the vocalization of the numeric losing hand in that game. So if you say, I'm a Yakuza, you're basically saying. I'm a loser in life. I am at the bottom.

And Burakuman, they weren't a traditional underclass. They came about because they tended to be people who worked in unclean professions by, you know, because a big aspect of Shinto is things that are ritually

unclean. So, butchers, undertakers, people who in their lineage had women who were prostitutes, you could never overcome that. You became ritually unclean and respectable people don't associate with you. That was the core of the Yakuza. And they were kind of the last guys who were openly, you know, worshippers of the emperor and the imperial idea.

You know, and who took pride in Japanese racialism. in a in a people what liberals and view was like a chauvinistic way um so it kind of became bound off this idea of being right wing kind of became bound up with with with with with with with mob guys and and burakum and stuff and again i'm not like a japan expert i don't speak the language or anything but i do know something about the yakuzo um and i do know something about the japanese right wing such as i can glean across the linguistic and conceptual divide. But that's what I meant.

I find it interesting that economics or the failure of economics is the driving force driving young people, I think between that and spiritual forces that are, you know, beyond man's total comprehension and control. Well, I think economics is a big part of it. Yeah, no, sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you. No, you're fine. No, Japan's an odd case, too.

The kind of quasi-conspiracy theory that I think actually isn't really a conspiracy theory was that METI, which was the Japanese trade ministry. And Japan's not a free market economy and the way we think of it. Like in 80s and 90s, MBA speak, they'd say, oh, in the Japanese system, there's a bureaucracy that, quote, picks winners and losers. But what they mean is that Miti and a constellation of other governmental and quasi-governmental organizations, they decide what industry gets funded and gets pushed and gets subsidized and what doesn't. So, for example, the Japanese decided they were going to conquer the global auto market and take it from America. So that's exactly what they did.

And they did that through a combination of exchange rate and, um, tariff mercantilism and having their firms operated a loss in key markets for as long as they had to until they could capture those markets. Okay. And Miti is where a lot of this policy and decision making originates from. The claim is that the Japanese defense ministry basically became Miti after, you know, the Tokyo trials and stuff. And the guys who'd been spared prosecution basically reconstituted as meaty. And there's something to that. So, especially considering the Cold War paradigm,

and Japan was very much under threat from the Soviet Union, obviously. Okay. There was a certain right-wing sensibility that went into Japanese economic planning that wasn't just metaphorical. There really was a power political aspect to it. When the 90s hit and when Japan finally was,

when their insularity was broken by Wall Street, and they became dependent upon American financial instruments, for example, that diminished their, not just their insularity, but their autonomy to act in sovereign power political capacities. But also, you know, I do take some exception to what people say, oh, Japan failed in the 90s. Japan's got, what, 130 million people? It's a third the size of Europe and the United States.

Like, infinite growth is not possible on a nation that's essentially about an overpopulated volcanic island with no natural resources and a dwindling population. Okay. But there's really not much there for a year. young person, you know, guys or girls. Obviously, young guys are going to be the driving engine of dynamic activity. But, you know, it's not like young Japanese women. If they can't find a husband, it can provide for a family, you know, what? The process would have become a 40-year-old office lady doesn't exactly seem appealing, I wouldn't

imagine. You know? No. And it's very similar to the U.S., through the West, we're at large, where you see a bifurcation of males. Right, there is, you know, this clear dividing line. Because they're in tenancies is what you mean. Well, also that men, there's a cast of men that have, you know, deliberately sissified themselves.

Ah, yeah, yeah. I mean, Japan is always sexually weird, too. I'm not saying that pejoratively, but they're just, they're very, you can buy women's panties in vending machines. Yeah. So you're not talking out of line. Well, it's also just, it's just sexually weird. I mean, don't need me wrong. I mean, America's really perverted and there's a real dishonesty about that.

I mean, it's America who consumes all this disgusting pornography, but there's also a core of basically white-print normalcy to most people with, you know, I believe. That also was kind of hard-coded into America, despite propaganda of the contrary. Japan is, and I've got a lot of respect for Shinto and for, the kind of mountain Buddhism that also is, you know, an aspect of Japanese religiosity. But there's very pagan strains there. And there's a lot of very strange sex stuff. So I think there's a unique susceptibility there.

There wouldn't be in, say, America or an Islamic society. Yeah, there's a, there's a, I don't know what the distribution is, but just from my observation and conversations I have with friends that live there. it's very similar to like the the percentage of young men that basically broke left and are, you know, cool with basically becoming spiritual women, like giving up on masculinity or here in the U.S. It was like, you know, viewed as toxic, right? So like being less masculine was how you fit in. with the regime and its apparatchiks. And there it's basically, I can't remember what it's called,

but like these men openly like do not pursue women, but also like this is where you see like the, the sex pillows and the sex robots from, like they've just basically removed themselves. Well, I... In a very different way than America, but the end result is the same. They're removing themselves from the fucking.

gene pool. Well, I something that's, I think, is lost on some people. Historically, the reason why, if you read something like Arabian, you know, 1,000 Arabian Nights, or if you look at the course, the Ottoman Sultan's, or if you look at some of these strange

aspects of the Mandarin court, you know, which endured really until the Red Revolution in China, there's odd oriental aspects that that has seeped into america obviously only to globalism as well as this

critical mass of racial aliens and there's something a stock character in all these examples that i just indicated is uh you know there's the there's the there's the harem unix but then there's also some some court advisor who's some like very gay or kind of a feminine male unix that that's a real thing in ultra stratified oriental societies It's not just because there's some critical mass of gays. Some guys just make that decision to your point because that's really the only thing going. You know, am I going to be a ditch digger or I'm going to decide to basically become like a she male and then I can have a comfortable life at court and people will be nice to me because I'm no threat to the center of power.

And this is why this is why infiltration politics will never work, why secretive politics will never work. There's a lot of guys that are like, oh, no, we have to, you know, infiltrate the political apparatus as it exists. Or we need to do secret societies. I know, like, that BAP guy talks about that all the time. I'm like, I'm sorry. If you are a racial underclass majority, these options, these pathways are closed to you. Unless you want to cut your cock off or you are five foot five, really swarthy and can pull off a Kippa, like these options. are excluded for you.

Well, yeah, and it's not, and it's just not the way, it's not the way a white person should think, you know, and I, exactly. You know, and I'm gonna, I am, I am, I'm a heritage American, and that means that my, uh, you know,

at the end of the day, my, my spirit animal was an Austrian painter, but my, my, my cultural totems are, uh, the ways and practices and, warrior ethos of Ulster. So when I think about revolutionary politics,

I think of Cromwell, I think of Daniel Shays, and I think of Andrew Jackson. You know, that's one of the reasons I maintain that for a continental thinker, Ernst Younger, is uniquely relevant to the American situation. Because if you're part of the

Aryan humanry, especially if you're reformed, you know, you should be looking to the anarch as conceptualized by younger as your model. You know, we don't, we, we, we don't want to, we don't want to recreate some, we don't want to imitate, you know, the court of the English royals. We don't want, we don't want to become oriental so that we can capture the reins of government.

We, we don't, we don't want the welfare state, but, you know, with us at the helm, you know, we want to burn it the fuck down. We want to get to the point where it's not, you know, we don't, only legal but it's validated to take people like Lindsay Graham and force feed them their skin you know that's the goal that's what we're going you're just never going to to get there and this is I mean there is a there is a portion of people right regardless of their you know that are generally very well intended right that basically from in a frame of mind that lends itself to, these personality types are very important.

We need them. And most of our racial achievements are from men like them, right? Our science, our inventions, our discoveries come from a specific type of autism. I shouldn't use the word autism, right? But it's the very I-N-T-J engineering mindset. It's a real thing. For engineers. Yeah.

Not like ultra left brain people. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And they will basically, they will agree on, well, they don't have the type of personality that allows them to see beyond what exists.

Right? So because of that. It's not political thinkers. That's why scientists don't run things on the political side. Well, this is the problem with like a lot of the right-wing disc, discourse is a lot of the anonsphere, a lot of the, you know, political actual right wing is driven, is made up of people like this. There's very, there's, there's a vast majority of them that,

you know, would be better served, you know, building something, right, architecting a bridge, or, you know, writing a new piece of software or inventing a new, you know, thing. And because of that, like they can't really, they can't really just, it was it like in, nobody could envision a world where the Kaiser did not exist. And then all of a sudden one day he didn't exist. No, that's why I find myself at odds with the, what,

I mean, if we use the terms in context, what, what the mainstream is of people who claim to be disincoded, because, yeah, there are a bunch of guys. I think things are reducible to IQ or they've got no problem with government as constituted. They just think it's the wrong sense of personalities you stiff. You know, I'm a radical right brain person. You know, like, I don't think that way.

You know, and I admit that, like, guys can build bridges or, you know, develop a better airplane or, you know, design a computer that emulates aspects of the human mind Like that's way more impressive and significant than the stuff that I do, but I understand politics and these guys don't. And they can't get that through their head. And it's not a math problem or something. You know, and they can't read historical variables because it's not a concrete thing that can be reducible to kinds of inputs that they're comfortable dealing with. Yeah, they think that, oh, this is the shape it was before.

So unless the thing exists in, you know, is this shape, these two shapes don't matter. but they don't understand that these shapes can never match. The situational part, the, basically the facts on the ground in, like, let's say, you know, 1930s Germany are slightly similar in spirit to what's happening now. But the situation is not going to be the same situation, right? We live in a world full of complexity. Yeah. Technologies that exist now.

Go ahead. Let me, Ezra. Thomas, what was Evela? Evela was at odds with the next. with the national socialist because evela thought that trying to take over the government was he was against that what was his reasoning on that again was complicated because on the one hand the s s particularly the s d who which kind of became a nasty organization they they were spying on evela and they issued this report to the right community security office he's saying that

you know evela they said in their words he was quote a reactionary roman of a sort because he was highly critical of the regime. But when Hitler had Scorsani spring Mussolini and brought Mussolini to Wolfslair, Julius Evela was there too to greet him. So, I mean, he had good offices, not just with the party, but with the fur. You know, and there were elements of the SS,

I'm sure, who had an amiable disposition towards him. You got to, if you really want to understand, the core of it is ethical okay Josepha he looked at he looked at the national socialist party as having some potential to roll back what he viewed as as a

basically anglophone and Judaic cultural rot that had seeped into European life and conceptual and discursive terms but he

he also viewed it as a as a vulgar mass movement that the mandate of which derived from essentially like a ballot box super majority after the communists were dealt with you know and um jonathan bowden gave a talk on evela like evela is his model of a sort of like a perfect government in a harmony with with god was basically almost something like the you know that the court of the egyptian pharaoh like i'm not being silly, you know, obviously with certain aspects that were commensurate with modernity as it existed. But he was on a totally different program. You know, his view was that political life, religious life, metaphysics, it all had to derive from this solar,

cult of metaphysical knowledge that was and the reason why you know the pharaoh was the pharaoh or caesar was Caesar was Caesar is because within his bloodline and within his curated racial caste was an ability to access knowledge and understanding of this metaphysical data that's not accessible to lower orders of man You know, and that's the way things need to be ordered in order to return to, you know, the golden age of human existence when, you know, the planet was literally ruled by this Aryan overcast that emanated out from the Caucasus heartland and what's now, you know, modern Central Asia and the step. Like that was his notion. So looking at Adolf Hitler, he's like, he'll be a Hitler as the soul of an artist, and he's a warrior, he's a warrior artist and a great man in some sense, in some concrete sense, obviously. But he's basically leading a proletariat revolt against the enemies of his race.

And like that's, that just makes him a tribal warlord. You know, and tribal warlordism is just as diminished as, uh, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, is, as, as, as, as, is, as, as, as, as, is, as, as, as, as, as, as, is, as, as, as, as, as, a. democracy or communism is just obviously not as destructive to ordinary people's way of life and obviously it preserves some aspects of high civilization but it does so when sort of a museum peace sets you know it doesn't actually revive anything like that that was the issue yeah and you see you see that kind of creeping in in various ways that they were trying to basically fill a spiritual kind of empty space

in the ideology various ways yeah and I don't know the problem is and I got into this yesterday with my friend Taylor from Annleap Hill that was the subject we're talking about in the mind phaser pod you know and I um I mean granted

I've got a more charitable view and the German Reich than most the problem was was zeitgeist and if you read if you read stuff like Rosenberg Smith of the 20th century. You know, I mean, I think Rosenberg had some odd ideas, but I find neo-paganism kind of odd. But in Rosenberg's case, I think a century before he, he would have been a pretty,

he probably would have been like an observant Lutheran, and this wouldn't even occur in to him. You're dealing with a zeitgeist that insisted God was dead, religion is over, you know, everything is reducible. I mean, you know, the world is, uh, is energy, matter, time and space, and human behavior owes to blood and biological variables, and it's meaningless to talk in any other terms. You know, the degree to which this was just the way everybody thought can't be overstated. That's why, you know, what really ended in the Cold War, it wasn't because the Gipper was this military and political genius.

It wasn't just because communism doesn't work. I mean, yeah, there was a constellation of, causes proximate and ultimate. But what destroyed communism is that the zeitgeist collapsed. You know, and the Catholic moment, the Islamic revival, you know, and ultimately the jihad against communism in Afghanistan, nobody saw this coming. And that took down that 20th century zeitgeist.

That's ridiculous when like some of these like Reddit types or some of these midwits. They cite like Richard Dawkins. I'm like you people are totally out of date. Like nobody thinks like that anymore. You know, you're speaking the language of 1970. You know. Yeah, it's because people don't know. And okay, so to push,

to not push back again, I will push back on the, the court of the Pharaoh bit, but what Evela is saying is true. Right? Everybody knows this. They just haven't had it explained to them. them in a way that they can index.

But everybody knows that the things that a person really knows, right, that they know instantly as truth comes from somewhere else that's not your thinking, you know, brain of words. It's a felt thing. That's how you know something to be instantly true, yet having not had any time to examine them. comes with a emotive force right so not only do you think this is true you know it to be true well it changed things writ large and i know that people don't i it's the points well plays and people say okay you can't reduce something that's wrong to the enlightenment and intrigues therein that aim to secularize human existence but the whole the whole project

of modern philosophy in the Western world was to resolve the problem of universals and the question of the thing in itself. And there's no way to resolve that. So what Newton did was he said, well, actually,

it's not even a question because if you look at, say, if you look at say the colored green, there isn't actually a colored green. So I don't even need to contemplate this phenomena in isolation because all it is is that it's a constellation of chemistry and atoms and the way that nerves and biological structures in your eye

perceive it it just registers it green so there is no thing in itself because again the entire everything in the cosmos and everything that's tangible and everything observable is uh is it's just a it's just matter chemistry energy uh and and time and space and and and and If you're going to restrict inquiry and conceptual aspects to that criteria, I mean, yeah, you can basically cut off any other line of inquiry and you can say that I've resolved all these philosophies. 100% of MAGA voters support the war in Iran. What's that? 100% of MAGA Republicans support the war in Iran. Yeah, probably.

If we're only going to ask these people, then of course we're going to get this answer. If we're only going to look in these places, of course we're not going to find anything. Well, that's why that's why the new atheism is a joke because basically it's saying, I'm smart and you're dumb because, you know, according to these parameters that I will not permit inquiry beyond, you know, you can't, you can't make the case for, you know, the existence of a non-material cause of the cosmos. You know, and it's, uh, that'd be like me saying, you know, okay, I want you to develop a mathematical model for, you know, how to how to build a structurally sound house.

But you can only use numbers from one to 100. You know, it's an arbitrary criteria tailored to preclude you know answers that are have been deemed not desirable according to the priorities of the declarant you know so it's not something I take seriously but you don't have to believe in God

I think it's kind of silly not to but I'm not saying you have to believe in God or think like me but if you if you think that stuff like Richard Dawkins is is a meaningful or intellectually rigorous or a fucking dummy that's an order of reading and Rand you know

I mean like you're fucking idiots and I don't respect that kind of thing and I didn't mean to say I was in visiting that Ebola was saying that like the court of Ramsey's the third or something was like this ideal modality of government or anything like that

you got to speak in broad strokes especially you're talking about complex metaphysics and I it was an imperman analogy when I think of a truly integral cultural expression of metaphysics, theology, worldly authority, ethics,

I think of Egypt, okay? And that's one of the reasons why it's so evocative when people think of mysterious and mystical ancient forms. That's all I meant. I wasn't suggesting that there's no. And they're

structured the state, right? A majority of the priests just served the function of what we serve bureaucrats, right? The faith system was the state in both conceptual sense, but in a physical sense. So

it is a very good analogy. Yeah, okay, fair enough. Yeah, I just wanted to clarify that. I know Evela talked about like the Chevalric orders as being the closest that European man came to the transcendence of like both the the temporal and the political and the

transcendental being kind of one thing yeah yeah and I mean it uh and it has got a fascinating account of northern versus southern Europe I mean not in like a stupid way like midwood's bandy day about like norms versus meds I didn't terms you meds meds are things you get from the pharmacy they're not like a but aside from that no I I'd heard of Jewish Evela because even

I mean even in in old resistance days his name would come up particularly if you looked at like political soldier faction stuff from the National Front which like Metzger's war

and instoration and would run sometimes in the Zine days but I never actually read him until right around the very late 90s really 2000s there's some really interesting print material coming out and Michael Moynihan you know he's he's like one of boy Rice's homies and um he's the guy who founded

blood access you know that this kind of post punk neo folk outfit and he was behind the publication of the tier journal which was awesome um i mean that was very neo pagan but it was really good i've got in one in my my my myriad boxes of books i got a bunch of old tier journals but Anyway, Moynihan founded a publishing house called Inner Traditions, and they put out Men Among the Rune, which is Evela's most overtly political book. And in the appendices, it's actually, among other things, the Protocols, the Elders of Zion, I'll get an idea about political it is. Um, we're both against the modern world is, Isabella's metaphysics.

And that's, that's an awesome book too, but, but among the ruins was the first thing I ever read by Julie Sebela. And, it's his most political book. And that totally changed my thinking. That sounds corny, but other than,

other than, um, probably Hobbs, Leviathan, Hegel's, uh, philosophy of history. Um, the king james bible and um and um imperium that's probably the most important like both to my

world view um it's it's it's awesome so no i i've high praise for julius evela but you know he um i mean all those uh you know mercia eliari and uh renea gignon as well uh i mean my i'm probably more similar to gignon in terms of his in terms of his in terms of metaphysical physical postulates, but, you know, Ginoin was kind of purposefully aloof to politics. But I consider Men Among the Ruins essential reading. It's also like a litmus. Did he just drop? Yeah, he just dropped out.

Remember that he was saying that there we go. I got a plug for a second. You were saying Men Among the Ruins was a litmus test. Yeah, because if people want like in a nutshell or at a glance, like, well, what's the interest between you and conservatives? Or why don't you like Faga or why don't you like closet homosexuals who love Israel and order Pete Higgs's like soiled underwear off of eBay? It's like, okay, well, read men among the ruins.

Like that's what, to me, that's what it is to be right wing or to be, you know, a national socialist in present bay in substantial measure. And it has nothing to do with Fagga. It doesn't have nothing to do with, you know, this. bullshit that these fucking helots are into. It's a totally different thing, you know? That's why it's, um, that's why I always feel uncartable.

I mean, I, I find a way to have a good time wherever I'm at. Like, I mean, I mean, you put the fucking out with me. I think you're going to stay. But, uh, when I get dragged to stuff like Amran, and I'm not

being critical. I was honored that the youngsters wanted me on deck so bad. You know, um, I mean, that's why I go to stuff like that. I just don't feel comfortable around those fucking people, man, because we're not the same, you know, and we don't have anything in common with them. And I don't know what to say.

I, you know, on the one hand, obviously, the way of my life, I'm not particularly concerned with what people think about me, but I'm also not, I'm also not keen to, like, going away to offend the entire room full of people, unless they're all total assholes or something. so I can attest to the fact that Thomas at Amaran is pretty fun to watch. Yeah. And no, we had fun when we were there, man.

But no, that's why it's not even a quite, I guess something I'm getting at is that, and I'm not trying to be too cool for school or something, but this isn't a middling point. There's just basic intractable categorical difference. between what I'm into and what that represents. And one thing is nothing to do with the other. It's only because America is this bizarre, the like post-New deal, American political culture is bizarre.

It's hyper-secularized. It's got bizarre parameters. You know, and even if you try to educate one of these people, it would be a fool's errand. you know so i was talking i was talking to um our friend christian c corps last night yeah you've had him on you've had him on the yeah he's a good dude man yeah he was making the point that even a lot of people that we like and we consider our guys and we consider to be comrades still are buying the myths that were that were built in you know even like the myths from the

founding and all of these myths. They're not willing to see them as myths. And when I say that, I'm not saying they're not willing to, they, it's not like they recognize that they're myths and that they may be useful in some way, but they're actually bought into the myths. Oh, yeah, I think he's, yeah, I don't disagree.

And, um, and I mean, that's fine. You know, uh, but that, that's why. I simply don't talk about political matters with most people. I mean, including even a lot of people who are supposedly on side, and mean for limited purposes they are. But, yeah, they're just not, they're not going to be able to grasp this. And I mean, maybe that's a good thing.

Yeah, they can't see what comes after the Kaiser until the Kaiser's gone. Yeah, yeah. I think that's well put. Definitely. I'm a where's that I gotta go I gotta make a thought

before the rush hour starts and I haven't as you can tell I'm still kind of sick I haven't really eaten the last couple of days I got like a tremendous hangaring for a BLT I must go in search of a BLT and some bushnels

don't be offended it's Carl's fault that I'm gonna blame this all in Carl yeah I'm gonna blame it all on Carl but no don't be like people make fun of me because they say that like you know how about like an hour's your limit or you turn

into a pumpkin or something part of it too is that i i like sitting for within an hour i kind of have to i i got to get up and stretch and stuff but um i'll um it's just you being bigoted of course possibly that too but uh caro carl is doing the best that a black man can we were i mean did you not read the new york times like being on top is racist. Yeah. Color people time exists for color people. So I mean we have to give our friend Carl a wide birth. No, no, that's fine. I just I'm still going to escape him for everything. But yeah, well, this is great. When, uh, yeah, when you post this up, like make sure you tag me so that I know it's up and I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll

I'll cross-post it under my substack. And, uh, well, uh, hopefully we can get Jack up in here soon, man, because, um, he's always a welcome edition. But I, I realize he's, uh, he's got his own shit going on. But, uh, yeah, thanks, yeah. Oh, no, there's Carl. Well, yeah, that's probably really timely because I can, I can dip out and, uh, and, uh, Carl can take up the slack. But it's the first time Carl's been, been timely about anything. Carl isn't waiting for me to leave.

He's been here the whole time. He's just, like, was being a dick and waiting for me to leave. But, uh, we, well, we, we don't want him listening to this because we don't want to hear him to hear him to hear the shit we've been talking about him. Black fragility, black fragility is real. Yeah. Hey, man. I got, all right. Yeah, I'm going to go run my errands and get, and get BLT and Bushville's fellows on.

All right, man. Yeah, I agree. Let's try and get, uh, let's try and get Jay on here next. Yeah, I'll talk to him, uh, I'm gonna we recorded stuff yesterday and I usually talked to him and we're gonna he and I are gonna do wherever you should go go over Friday so I'll bring it up to him then yeah thank you fellas I really glad I'll see you Thomas yeah man what's up Carl hey gentlemen so we um so we've already talked about um Jews okay and evela okay and what else have we talked about

me. Oh, you hit on a really good thing right before, before Thomas rudely interrupted us with his dietary needs and Carl's absence. The myths? About kind of the, yeah, the myths. And I think I've been having a conversation with you, Pete, and with Carl, kind of about, which was, you guys, everyone that's listening to this needs to go check out Pete's recent show with Darrell and Fieldhouse. It is very, very good. It'll be public on Thursday night. Well, if you're listening to this after Thursday, just put this on pause and then go do that and then come back and play this because I think that's a perfect place to pick up on it because you're

functionally, we're talking about the same thing. Yeah, we did an episode, if you're hearing this before, on Thomas Coon, Thomas Coon, who basically introduced us to the term paradigm shift. And he was coming at it from a scientific, he was an engineer, so he was coming at it from a scientific angle. But when you start applying it, once he came up with that, everybody started applying it to everything. and applying it to politics. And you know, you just quickly realize that things aren't linear. Nothing. The progressive myth of history and everything just getting better and better and better.

It's also call it the Whig theory of history, if you wish. No, something happens, and especially in history, it seems like it's most often something tragic, something horrible, and that causes a shift in a new way of thinking and people, you know, I mean, the most obvious is the, you know, the episode, like if you've listened to Daryl's latest episode, part two of enemy, the fallout of the ending of World War I, the monarchy is going away and basically the Bolsheviks trying their best to

take over Europe all at once. So this caused a paradigm shift where not only did you, not only did you lose monarchies and like, you know, the names of these, these classic houses that I think Darrell describes it as, their names were as permanent as like the ocean, the names of the oceans. Now they're gone.

And you're something new is trying to take over. and it's disastrous as people and murderous as people are seeing and it's being reported of what's coming out of Russia at the time. And it just causes people to start thinking differently and you start having these different movements. And, you know, you start having the reaction of the national socialists in Germany and fascism in Italy and action, action franca in France. and yeah everything just goes haywire and the myths are basically you need new myths the old myths do not work anymore which is in contrast to the Wignat theory of history which is that society collapses question mark we're victorious right it kind of dovetails nicely with that something will happen and we don't know what it's going to be.

Does American society need to collapse utterly for things to change? Probably not, almost certainly not. But what about like a carrier group at the bottom of the sea, you know, off the coast of Iran? What about a totally failed incursion by airborne forces who just, you know, initially take some ground and everyone celebrates and then, to get rocked with Iranian missiles. What is the, what's going to happen after that?

Like a total shift in the way people think, let alone. The tragedy has already happened. Yeah, exactly. Right, the tragedy, because I mean, who is politically engaged? It's young people.

Could you imagine, like, somebody trying to say what's happened to young people in the Western world is not is anything but tragic well here's the thing okay so the tragedy the tragedy is happening okay the thing that is going to cause to shift is happening but something else is happening at the same time that needs to be addressed and it needs to be addressed seriously by serious people who aren't spurgs is that Zionism is dying and Israel is dying yeah and so everything what has caused all of these problems for you know the last 120

140 years yes I know it's 1,200 to 2,000 years but let's concentrate on the situation we have at hand right now as history has played out since since the turn of the 20th century the you you also have to take into consideration and recognize that Zionism is essentially dead. They just don't know it yet. It's just not fully dead. It's like the Princess Bride. It's not completely dead.

But it's not going to be resurrected. So what comes next? And it seems like everybody is looking, everybody thinks that what's going to replace it is it's like libertarianism. We want the state to fail. And then everybody will become an narco-capital. libertarians well that's not going to happen it's like what has what has been presented to them what has been built um what has been built um in reality not on twitter yeah that people are going to

embrace you know it's like you hear sometimes you'll hear like right wing you know these groups groups of guys will get together and they're like right wing and they're like okay we want to do something to help okay we want to start a right wing bookhouse it's like okay okay we have enough right wing book houses. How about you do this? How about you go open a bunch of soup kitchens in your area? Because the people who are going to, the people who are going to be leaders in the future

are going to be the people who can feed other people. Yeah, exactly. That's the way it always is. People are going to be looking for food. So, you know, come up with that. You know, you can, if you have, if you know, hunters, if you're in an area where they send out hunters to call the deer population, okay, this is meat that you could be taking and you could be processing and you could be freezing

for a day when people need food and you can feed them. This is the kind of thing that people are not thinking about. People are thinking about, oh, we're going to, you know, it's going to be 1933 Germany. It's not going to be 1933 Germany. It's not. That is, that's in the past. it's also something that is foreign to most people in this culture. So look at what the world is right now.

Look at how people are suffering right now and figure out how, if that gets any worse, how you can solve that problem. Most of history is at heart like that. People just want their ideology. And ideology, you know, one thing that Burnham taught us, especially in suicide of the West, is, you can have the most perfect ideology in the world. As soon as it gets introduced to the air and it leaves your house,

you try to introduce it to the public outside of a laboratory, it starts to fall apart immediately. So come up with something that is actually practically workable in the real world. Well, so my opinion on this is it's a both-end, question, right? Or it's a both and answer. The reason why you're not going to get national socialism as it manifests itself in Germany is because there's millions and millions of different tiny variables that are different there and different here. But if you took the same spirit and you put it through the filter of today,

you would get something different and at the same time very similar, right, almost of the same, of the same spirit. Right. Would national socialism look how it did with mass communication technologies, the internet, right? Like, back towards the myth of America, would the founders have created an institution called Congress? if mass communication, internet, and blockchain technology existed. What would the, what would possibly be the purpose of sending a bunch of men to DC, right, to basically elect representatives and send those representatives like that, that wouldn't actually be a problem you would have? So the same ethos of representation, the same spirit moving through that filter would create

something completely alien, but at the same time, similar in its purpose, and in its driving force, they would be the same, but they would look entirely differently. And you can pretty much do that with every other major technological epoch. You can do both national politics and local politics at the same time. Because what I was talking about, like, NGIO, your brain before and how that represents 95% of people on the right. This is a very, very good thing. It is, it's extremely problematic, you know, in political discourse.

But that's because you have a whole bunch of engineers trying to basically figure out which ideology, which pathway to achieving goals is the best. and they are people that can agree on 95% of things and disagree on 5%. And with this type of brain, that 5% difference becomes 100% of what's important because it's different. So these type of people, which makes up a vast majority of the people here, disagreeable, highly intelligent, high agency men, will turn small differences into the only differences that matter, right? The only things that matter are now the differences.

And you watch them build up and tear down and build up and tear down and build up and tear down because none of them really actually know what they're building. Basically, the only thing that would work, the only thing that does work is giving those people a vision of a future and having that vision be put together each piece by piece in their own area of domain expertise by this vast majority of engineer-type thinkers. Like Adam from myth the 20th century, he is going to solve problems of that spirit differently than somebody else's, but they're going to just solve different aspects of this very, very, very big problem. Like, in a startup, you just have one guy, right? The founder is a person that sees the thing that nobody saw or nobody could see. They tell you the solution to a problem you don't know you have yet.

Right, the guy, nobody knew they needed a fucking smartphone. And now, people couldn't imagine life without it. But before it existed, nobody thought that, oh, I would like this different future where I have this piece of technology. And I would like all the conveniences that it does. and I would like to be able to go around and call people. I would like to not be tethered, you know, to sometimes up to like several feet of telephone cord as you basically monopolize your kitchen. But nobody saw that world, except for one guy.

One guy's like, oh, I see a different world where we do things differently. I'm going to solve a problem that nobody knows they have yet. That guy didn't build the microchips. That guy didn't design the phone. That guy didn't design the telecommunications technology inside the phone. That guy didn't code the software for the phone. That guy didn't come up with the marketing plan for the phone. Didn't do any of that shit.

Because he didn't know how to do that shit. The people that see the future are not the people that can build the future. They're fundamentally different types of people. And the problem is we have a whole bunch of building type people and nothing to be built. Each one of our guys is insanely smart. Decentralized fundraising for decentralized food efforts is a problem we could probably solve in an afternoon. a vast majority of the problems we could probably figure out improvised solutions for in an afternoon. Probably not all the same afternoon, but an afternoon.

I went from every single morning, it's so over to ending the day with we're so back for my first company for seven years. It was like, we are going to be bankrupt by the end of the week. and then by the end of the day, you know, six, seven white dudes figured out a way to hack something together and improvise. And the problem is we look at these political ideologies as roadmaps and they're not, right? These guys were improvising on the fly. I mean, you can literally just look through Himmler's diary of like the early years. Like these guys were just putting out fires. As one problem popped up, they would figure out a way to stop it.

And then again and again and again and again and again and again, it was left over. After all that was done was a national socialist state. But when we look at it, going back in history, we look at it as like this complete, thought-out ethos. And they had, you know, every part of the aspect of that political system came out of the conceptual, you know, brain of, you know, one guy or two or three guys. Like, no, no, no, no. It was one guy that had a vision of what, like, the future could look like and a whole bunch of people solving a whole bunch of problems that popped up, right? Like, so, like, people think they can't, like, oh, take down a national state and we have to focus, focus locally. No, we could just use mass

communication and cultural force, which we have now already. We're the only thing that's cool. We're the only place that new ideas are coming. And all you have to do is just convince white guys to not pay taxes once. The government implodes. Oh, the military is going to come get you up the woods. Like, really? They work for free. Oh, the bureaucracy will crush you. Do these motherfuckers work for free? Like, I'm not suggesting that's something that we do, but it's, there's every single piece of technology, every single startup had, every single thing that is ever invented has started out with all of the smart people telling one guy that this particular thing is impossible. And if it wasn't like that, nobody would make any fucking money.

Like doing the contrarian trade is, the only way that you make money. Like, we forget this, but doing the thing that everyone tells you that you can't do is why it is profitable to do it because nobody else is already doing it. And we need to think orthogonally, like just there's so many things, myths, institutions, like, we could improvise a way around it if we just think entirely laterally, just, and we don't. Sorry, that was a bit of a my bad. Well, it's a great metaphor. You know, as we were discussing over text and messages, you know, there's a lot of things

in the business world that applies to exactly what we're talking about. Some don't. But you get the same kind of misapprehensions and you get the same kind of fixed thinking that something I learned. early on was that nothing fails like success. A guy who had something that worked out well in the past can think he's incredibly successful and therefore he knows what he's doing

and just basically tries to do the same thing again and it doesn't work, right? I'm sure you've seen that plenty stormy. And it's because they have this they have this belief that the combination of factors that they think were at play

are still at play only it just doesn't work. Sometimes it can be personalities, right? Like you can have the best ideas ever and if the mix of personalities is wrong for what you're trying to do. It just doesn't work.

Like, something Zeman would always talk about is you get the people right and you can make things work. I think that one of the problems with where we're at is that there's people who self-identify as like fringe people, you know, and they want to influence the greater society. and their very their very self-conception as a French person

is probably even more negatively influential than the reality that they're probably not that fringe, they're probably just a fairly regular person but also how they present themselves to other people is incredibly important. and there's this

every once in a while you find out that there are these ideas in our spheres that have been around for a long time and you figure out that they were a subversive you know misdirection tool like there's one called own the insult

which is that if someone calls you a Nazi you say yes I'm a Nazi and then you identify as a Nazi and dress up as a Nazi. And in reality, the way that you neutralize that insult is you say, I don't care what you call me, right? I don't care.

You're the person with the issue. I don't care. Because that's really what you're trying to do is neutralize them. You're not trying to let them direct your expression in whatever you're doing, right? At a certain point, will that matter? maybe not, but your prime directive shouldn't be to, you know, revitalize a certain, you know, image.

What you do is you say these are the bad people and here's where we want to go and people will figure it out along the way and arrive at the same conclusions while you go in the direction that you want to direct things. there's a lot of really strange thinking and strange beliefs that are in this thing that are really hard to just like you can understand how they got here and the path that got them here but a lot of them are frankly misapprehensions and there's a lot of subversion that's been around for a long time that gets it. amplified. The number of, the number of situations that I can think of it. And Pete, I know you and I have talked about this. It's like after 9-11, um, if you went to these websites that discussed like quote unquote conspiracies or anything along those lines, there was all this great information that disappeared that got banned because you couldn't talk about Israel or

certain people, right? And so like the whole, the whole Israeli art student conversation practically disappeared off the internet for a period, you know, in like 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004, right as all these things were wrapping up. And the last moment it had any time in the sun where some like major national news programs talking about, like, a DEA investigation and then it became this anti-Semitic trope or Kinnard or whatever they call it and and instead you have this loose change shit you know this fake stuff that that was promoted and we have similar things in in our spheres quite often and you know we repeat them without where they necessarily came from.

And so that's why I'm so supportive of this idea of going back to first principles on so many things and just in buckling down and being like, you have to create something of value to attract people and to bring them in. And once you have a thing and you have explanatory power, and it's in person, because in person neutralizes the misunderstandings that happen. in online discussions. That's how it becomes robust.

And we see that every day. Like we get together with people that were like, I don't necessarily, you know, I like the general direction of their content, but I don't agree on everything. And it'd be really easy to get me to spurg out on them if I didn't have self-control. And then you meet them in person and you're like,

I really like this guy. This is someone that I can deal with. This is a reasonable person. It's just more and more, like, we're using, we're using this system to connect and to communicate with each other, but we can't let that drive our orientation. It's egalitarian. Which is bad. Which is very bad. Right?

Like, there is, go ahead. I think what Carl is saying is, you can see this as anybody who came through libertarianism has seen, is that any kind of outside kind of movement or kind of idea or kind of anything that starts to form and people start to get drawn to an idea that's outside of the mainstream. you're drawing in people who are outside of the mainstream. And in many cases, it's not only that they're outside of the mainstream in thought, but they're also outside of the mainstream in action. And that's where you get the, you get overrun by Spurgs. You get overrun by people who, you know, in libertarianism,

it's not about property rights for the Federal Reserve only. It becomes about legal weed, prostitution, you know, all sorts of degeneracy. Well, you get people who, any kind of, you know, any kind of thing that is outside of the norm or bucking against, you know, the regime or, you know, whatever the load-bearing myth of the time is, you're drawing in, you're going to draw. and people who are going, who want to revolt against that, not only for intellectual reasons or moral reasons, but reasons because they're outside of the mainstream in the way they live. And in many cases, outside of the mainstream in the way they think. And you're also just going to attract people who are naturally edgy.

And they see, you know, this, oh, this is something that's edgy. And because it's outside of the mainstream, you know, oh, why are you, you know, I mean, I'm just suggesting that we kill everybody. Why, you know, I'm suggesting violence. Why would you be against that? I'm suggesting, you know, that you, you know, you have to attack people who aren't, you have to go after people who don't think like you but are natural allies to you because they don't line up with you 100%. You're just basically drawing in these ideologues who have an idea

that they know how things are supposed to go, supposed to operate, but nobody else does. And, you know, Darrell said that in the episode that Stormy, reference before he said yeah it it always seems like every one of our guys wants to be a general and nobody wants to learn how to take orders yeah exactly yeah and and and it's it's easily subverted or it's almost like de facto subversion yeah it subverts itself yeah because everyone thinks that their idea is the best exactly or they carry they tear each other up in these stupid cul-de-sacs of it becomes a popularity contest yeah Exactly. There's also something that Zeman used to talk about that I had seen it,

but the way he explained it was just a perfect, perfect illustration of this point. And in the world of like 10 years ago of these, you know, the various organizations, some of which are still around, many of which are no longer around, or you'll see individual personalities. The organizations believed because they were usually like downstream of a generation or two of these

kind of resistance movement things that they were dealing with a pretty fixed population of participants and so they would compete with each other for members. And then you would also get people who are trying to latch onto these things to make a living off of it,

whether it's just to be a parasite or if it's to be like basically almost like a cult leader, which is retarded. Like that's not, that doesn't do you any good and like being ideologically pure, but being in a stupid dead end cult that benefits like one to 10 people.

and not you. Sorry, Groyper's. Yeah. No, it's true. Because it becomes about that person. And that's why you have, I mean, you have tons of people who are like, you know, I used to consider myself a Groyper. And now I realize how ridiculous a lot of that stuff is, even if he's like right or directionally right at certain times about certain things.

So we're 90% of us that we just shut the fuck up about it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's, I don't know. What I will say is from my involvement in, you know, local orgs. And the more local, the better that, you know, the less distance you have to drive to hang out with these guys, the more you'll hang out with them, the more that you'll be able to actually do things that are productive instead of them just being hang. things, you know, it's so, it's so nice and just ignoring, ignoring the internet drama,

ignoring the news cycle. Because we get, we end up, even though we like have explanatory powerful things and we're basically all like, you know, it's time to move beyond the way things are, we still end up slaves to the news cycle quite often. And it really sucks because when you, when you've gotten away from, I mean, I would imagine that all three of us and most of the people listening have gone through this process where, you know, you're plugged into it and then you realize how toxic it is and how wrong it is and you start trying to divert, excuse me, divorce yourself from it. And then you end up online and the, you know, people with cool ideas and stuff that are opening up this different world of information to you, you know, they do really great things.

And then whenever there's a big flare up, they end up being tied into the new cycle and you get right back to it. And it's like, is it, okay, so your worldview now has explanatory power. but what is the actual value in staying plugged into the timeline like that? It's usually a significant negative value. Yeah, well, also, like, it's just a way of, like, they don't, there, there's no one to set the goals, right? Because if I look at, like, what my goals are politically, there is very little to dislike about what's happening in Iran, frankly.

In a roundabout fact, sure, yeah. 100%. Because basically nobody can see past what exists. So there would have been a shoehorning back into Republican politics. right or Trump the guy type political energy or sorry Trump the guy and that organization siphoning off political energy that they didn't create and this broke that it broke that for like the average American which is the person I care about right and that was something I never could have done right America has become an outwardly hostile place to not just Zionism, to Jewry in a very small amount of time.

I don't know what everybody you guys are picking up in your personal lives. Like, just that alone, for the MAGA guy, right, the beer, you know, after work guy to not just, you know, recognize. Because once you recognize them as not your friends, you can't unrecognize them. And we didn't do that. Fucking, they did it to themselves. Exactly. Like, I mean, the last thing that you need to get people to do real, real things is hardship. And I think that's also what this is going to provide.

So, yes, it's kind of a dark way or, you know, of looking at it, but this moved the political needle in our direction more than any other thing in our life. It made people have to choose. Because staying, you know, believing in the current, you know, the existing order, the existing way of doing things, like, that will persist until it is not allowed to persist any further. Right. Like, it should be plain to everyone now that you can't have Jews. Like, you cannot be anything other than an anti-Semitic organization because if you allow them in even a small amount or even if they're based within 10 minutes, they're the ones in charge.

Because you have to treat them the same as you and they are not going to treat you the same as them. Like, nobody's signing up for the military. Nobody is engaging in GOP politics. Like, this is great. What sucks is going to be the economic hardship. But it's also, I think, there's no way that we dissuade ourselves of this without the bill of these, without this coming due. I don't know what your thoughts are, Pete. but I kind of view this as necessary.

And everything that we should be focusing on should have nothing to do with the headlines outside of how this moves the needle either closer in our favor or further away from us. And if it's closer in our favor, how do we monopolize this? How do we pick this up and run with it? These are the things because our worldview is predictive because we see what's coming. Okay, the war in Iran is happening. It happened, right? We see what's coming, which is after that. Why should we be spending any time on what is happening now?

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. You know, unless you're asked directly to make a comment about what's happening now. Yeah, you should be building. I said also in that episode that you referenced, we should be built. Everybody should be building an art. you should be building an ark with other people. But, you know, once the, once the water goes away and you land on dry ground in 40 days, what next?

And that's really the only, that's really the only thing that you should be concentrating on as far as looking at what's happening. Obviously, this Iran thing is horrible from a, from a truly moral standpoint. And I'm not trying, I'm not doing some fake leftist morality kind of thing. I'm talking about from a truly moral standpoint. Yeah, this is, this is evil and it's being done for no good purpose. To step aside for morality for a moment, it's very easy to see. It's also destroying our enemy.

And while your enemy is being destroyed, you know, you don't. You don't interrupt. I'm sorry? You don't interrupt. Yeah, you don't interrupt. You also, you don't cheer it on. You certainly don't cheer it on. But you recognize it for what it is.

You recognize that it's an opportunity and that times are changing right now. The future is going to be different, just as the future was going to be different after the housing crisis, after COVID, after October 7th. after Charlie Kirk got shot, after this, after this attack, this insanity, it looks like your enemy is being weakened. Don't be distracted. People are going to say, well, no, they're not our enemy. Islam is our enemy. I mean, I don't know.

How many Muslims are working at the Federal Reserve? How many Muslims run the Federal Reserve? How many Muslims are running the porn industry? You know, how many, come on, give us a fucking break here. The only reason we've had any problems with Muslims in the last 100 years is because of Israel. Yeah, because they brought them here. Yeah, and Jewish supremacy. You know, that's why you know, I mean, oh, well, look at Europe.

Same thing. Same. Understand that that was, you will have, there is on video people in the Israeli government going, yeah, we had. to punish Europe. We had to punish Europe. We had to punish Sweden because they think they're so much more moral than we are. So now look at Malmo. They take credit for it. They say they did it. They're your enemy. They're the enemy of the West and all the West is is Christendom. They're the enemy. Don't get sidetracked. Watch your enemy die and plan for and plan for what comes next. There are people around you. There are people you know. There are people you love.

There are people you share values with who are going to be damaged by this. You may be damaged by this. Monetarily, whatever. You have to be, you have to be looking forward. You have to be forward looking when it comes to this. And nothing, yeah, the don't let people, don't let people distract you. Don't let people say, oh, well, you're not MAGA. You're a leftist because you're not supporting Trump. Don't listen to these people. They have nothing. They live their life on Twitter.

That's pathetic enough. They live their life on social media. That's pathetic enough. They live their life writing articles. That's pathetic enough. Go build something. If I wasn't doing things in real life and not only with the podcast and everything, I do as far as media goes.

You know, I couldn't, I don't really have a place to, I'd be criticizing myself. I am. I'm doing stuff away. It's why you, it's why, it's why being off of Twitter like I have for the last 32, 33 days, has been a blessing. The podcast has actually grown. subscriptions have grown. And I've been able to go out and meet people and travel and do all sorts of things and, you know, get face to face with people. And, you know, I think because what we're doing

in real life is so important and is helping enough, helping so many people, you just see how the lies, you know, you've, you've seen lies, told about, you know, what I do and what what what people I'm aligned with do so don't worry about them they're literally on Twitter because they don't have a real job and they're living off of their engagement they're living off of the money they make off of engagement farming they're not serious people stop listening to them get off of social media and go fucking do something with your friends yeah man and there's nobody being paid, you know, to post good things that are helpful.

It's all subversion. Like people, people who get paid to do opinion pieces who seem like they should be, our friends, you know, there's exceptions, but ultimately the goal is when the time comes, they have to lean into something that's bad for us. that that's really your expectation what your expectation would be when we have no when we have no friends at that level when when it's totally captured yeah i mean what's on your timeline is it positive things no it's a type of paralysis yeah right because nobody it's this it's this of um I hate to bring it back to like the the engineer mindset but like without a way to

point that type of mind towards a task right it's a building something it really becomes extremely destructive right like they're they sense that they're you know under threat personally you know, nationally. So they're going to hyper fixate. And the problem with Twitter, for instance, is that it's a, it's like a thought machine. Right. So you're basically reading other people's thoughts. So if you are reading other people's thoughts,

you're not really thinking your own. You have no, you have no time to come up with new ideas. Because your brain is constantly bombarded with the thoughts of others. It basically, like, I mean, there's been a million times where I've been on a train of thought and then looked at, like, that was productive, scroll through my timeline for like five minutes, and now I'm doing something completely different, and now I'm worried about something completely different.

and it's basically hijacked a train of thought that at that particular moment was extremely useful and it's gone now because somebody has now told me what I should be focusing on. We're using social media wrong, is my point. This should be a idea, and I don't mean like ideal like ideological idea, but like an idea in the sense of like, Carl, have you ever used Slack? Yes. We should treat social media like Slack. That's a great idea.

Yeah. Right. We could be using social media for a whole bunch of people that, like, your talent is distributed broadly. Unfortunately, like the people in your local community, the local meetups are good for your personal safety, your family safety, your personal security, etc. But the guys, like if you are, let's say, a brilliant software engineer, the guys in your immediate local group, they may not be brilliant software engineers. So if we need a piece of, you know, a program to do a specific thing, this is why AI is going to be such a huge thing for us, right?

or a hardware engineer, if you're a hardware engineer, and nobody in your immediate circle or your immediate in-person group is. But there are tons of other guys online that you haven't meant that are, right, that are part of her thing that, you know, have been around for a long period of time. We basically have a tool where everyone that thinks like us is generally in the same place. And we are not using it to build things in a DCS. centralized fashion. It's very, very silly. We use crypto entirely wrong too.

Right. This is a way, right? So I was an early investor into a couple of really interesting layer one protocols. So like early, early days. And I mean, there is tools. bits of software that are available for free, that will effectively do the job. I mean, who here remembers the ICO days, right, like initial token launches? Yeah. Yeah. Right. The platforms that facilitated those token launches, those are just free to grab now. Right. So anyone can do something like that. I watch startups raise, $150 million in a day, because everybody that wanted that particular thing to exist chipped in.

And they got a tiny piece of what would be later on revenue. Right? Like if you were an early investor into the Ethereum ICO, you're probably doing pretty well right now. You didn't have to do anything else. now there is hundreds of thousands of very useful programs that are written on that chain right it you know went on to do relatively great things and the person that chipped in got a ability to receive the gains of those things and strictly from like a non-return on investment you know benefit to me is why I'm

doing this type of mentality, that could be equally used for altruistic purposes. We have the ability of not only to send money uninterrupted by the government or by Jews, really by anyone, uncancelable, anonymous, to anyone in the world. We have the ability to raise funds in a decentralized fashion, right? Nobody has to worry about like, oh, is give send go going to not allow this? Look what we did when a fucking, when a 30-year-old white woman in the middle, in the Midwest said the word nigger. Like, we are not using things to the, like, so when I see these things, I don't know how to code.

I don't know anything. Like, I'm computer retarded in a lot of ways. And the only reason, like, I was able to successfully build a company was because I surrounded my, like, my, the people that were my partners from the very beginning all did know how to do those things. And really the only value proposition I was able to add from the beginning. And then much less later on down the road, you know, once funding was raised and all that fun stuff, was being able to look at something that everyone had looked at for a million years. and I saw something completely different, right? They thought that they saw, everyone thought that they saw, like, you know, a screwdriver, but I was like, well, it also makes a really, really useful bottle opener.

And it also makes a really useful, you know, other things, right? Taking something that other people see as one thing and seeing what else it can be. And I look around it just the shit that exists now and political problems that we have in the real world. And I just don't understand it. There's decentralized autonomous organizations that you can basically automate entire structures of a complex corporation and basically make each and every person in that corporation, they can fucking assign tasks, people can say, I would like to do said task. All right.

Well, I would like to do these three tasks out of the four that need to be done. Okay. Well, when these four, three tasks are done, we're going to disperse X amount of funds. And then we're going to find the fourth person that can do this, right? Like literally you can run an entire organization anonymously. It can pay out people anonymously. it can assign tasks like literally every person involved in the organization can come and voice you basically stack rank what needs to be done next who's going to do those things in what order

they're going to be done how they're going to be paid out to do those things all anonymously like that shit already exists right like what what's her name you and p you and i were just talking about her right before the show started. Emily Usis? Emily Eunice, yes. She just grabbed a piece of, you know, Sora and put out something that has cultural significance that I think last I checked, millions of people have watched

and continue to watch episode after episode. She doesn't have a team, like, We are not using the tools at our disposal correctly. So powerful that Jonathan Greenblatt got together with the poncho and made sure that SORA would get phased out because of the power that it was putting in the hands of white supremists. Yeah, well, you can just grab those models and run. them locally. Exactly. And let your friends use them. Oh, and also there's a nifty program called Heretic that you can grab also for free off the interwebs and use it to remove all of the censorship

modeling in whatever AI you choose to download. So you will actually have Mecca Hitler instead of GROC. You will have pay back. all of this shit exists. And whatever problems that things don't exist for, maybe instead of all of our autistic engineer types fighting with each other about 5% difference in doctrine or 5% difference in the strategy to bring about the political ideology that they agree with one another about already,

maybe they could direct some of that autism into building the things to solve the problems that we don't have solutions for yet. Because those are going to happen too. We are misallocating a tremendous amount of human capital and disregarding a tremendous amount of leverage that just exists. The crown is already in the gutter. We're just not picking it up, so to speak. Well, I mean, before you can pick up, think about picking up any crown

that has anything to do with anybody else. You have to pick up your own crown, your own personal. This is true. So true, King. Yeah, you have to take care of yourself first. There are a lot of people, you know, and these are, again, these are the people who are hyper online who are completely convinced that they know exactly how to fix the world, but they don't have their own life fixed.

Okay, why, I mean, why would I, why am I supposed to listen to you? Have you ever bought and sold the house? You know, have you ever been married? Have you ever had your heartbroken? You ever been punched in the mouth? You know, you ever driven a sports car? Yes. There are some things that, you know, sound materialistic,

but they're not materialistic. They're basically a part of being an adult. Yep. This is the problem with egalitarianism. You know, whose opinion should, not be relevant on sports cars is a guy that's never owned one you know whose opinion about women shouldn't be tolerated somebody that doesn't is not unable to hold down a girlfriend little one of life right you know whose

opinion about how like I mean how many people do we have that are like urbanite larpers that are you know telling you like you to You just need to homestead and you need to just be entirely self-sufficient. Like, you live in a condo. Shut your fucking mouth. And this is the problem with the egalitarianism in the discourse. Some people's opinions just don't matter about many, many things. And we have no way of sorting it out.

Also, the fact that there isn't really any adversity these people face in their real lives yet. there's no evolutionary forcing function, right? Like, in national socialist Germany again for, or in pre-national socialist Germany, you had both the war and then you had the street war that came after that. Like, you had excellent, the detail. The detail of that on the detail of that on Daryl's latest episode is chilling. Yeah. the street wars and he's still got another episode to go with the jerk with uh you know with with

what the wars of germany had to you know how these guys came home came home from world war one and basically went to war went right back to war but it told you who the leaders were like we don't have that which sucks and the other thing that sucks is that the Kaiser isn't just going to abdicate one day. Right? So where it forces everyone to deal with the fact that going back to the way things were isn't possible. Like the thing that is always supposed to exist doesn't exist anymore.

That problem was solved for Germany. What we have is a different thing where the state structures as they are now are losing legitimacy over time. rapidly losing legitimacy, but really it's the guys that see things first that are already trying to look past it. If the federal government imploded tomorrow, all of a sudden everyone would be much more amiable to let's do something different. So we're going to have to operate an environment where slowly people are coming online to the fact that what exists can no longer exist rather than all at once. we should really use this to our benefit, right? Like, luckily, the fact that it's only people of our persuasion

that are seeing these problems, leftovers are too busy trying to recapture the same institutions with a fucking dead cultural language that nobody gives a shit about anymore. Like, let them keep doing that while we do something else. The problem that we don't, one of the main problems we don't have is, I mean, like, yeah, we talked about vision earlier, but like vision is like a spiritual thing. I don't like the word ethos,

but it is a very simple. Carl, what do you say it? What you call it like the, I don't know if you meant to say it, but the prime directive, what we lack is the prime directive. Right, everyone's vision of the future, the perfect right-doid future is unfortunately different.

That needs to stop. Everyone and whoever does this wins the prize, but whoever can come up with like what the future looks like should look like, is going to look like, and believes it with every fiber of their being enough to inspire confidence in others to transmit that information that transmits. Carl, you and I were talking about this, that transmits in a fashion. that it's not spoken, it's felt. You can tell when someone is telling the truth or not. You can feel when someone is lying to you or hyping you up, but when somebody really believes something as true, it makes you believe it too.

And you get the feeling that they get. Because whatever is going to come after this is going to exist in a way where it means different things to different people, and that's because it has to. Right. Like the future vision, whatever, right? The spirit of what comes next, that is going to mean something different to the veterans.

Then it's going to mean to, you know, the right-wing wives. Like different parts of this thing matter differently to each and every person. But they all need to paddle in the same direction, knowing that each other is paddling. That's the only way it works. For a startup analogy, the head of product, like the guy doing the back end, the guy doing the front end, the UIUX work, right? the guy in marketing, everybody has an idea of what this product is that they are bringing to market, what this looks like, what it's going to do, how it's going to change people's lives. But each part of that thing matters differently to every single person in that team,

because it matters differently in their area of focus. They are focusing on this tiny piece of this line. larger thing. So it has to be a broad, it doesn't have to be vague, but it has to be something that every person that looks like us can get on board with for varying reasons. This is also I think why you don't, everyone thinks like, oh, well, we just need a right-wing billionaire to come in and fund everything. You can't sell that guy, right? So the reason, I was talking to Dark Enlightenment about this yesterday.

The reason that right-wing billionaires don't throw a bunch of money at right-wing politics is for the, is the exact same reason that left-wing billionaires throw a lot of money at left-wing politics. because these guys are being pitched hope of gain and not fear of loss. Right. Like the left wing donors are getting something out of the deal. Right. It's aspirational to them.

They want a certain state to exist. Right. All the left wing donors are, and the mega donors are women and Jews and mostly women Jews, right? So the type of world that they want to exist, that they've been told should exist, they are willing to fund that, to bring that thing about. They got pitched a vision of a potential future and they are funding it. The approach for right-wing billionaires is what?

If you don't do this, this bad thing will happen. Well, nothing bad is going to happen to that billionaire. there. And when people are given information that is scary, right, or fear is the motivating factor, whenever fear is the motivating factor, people act hyper individualistically. You can see this amongst so many, you know, right-wingers and even like boomer right-wingers, whatever, when they, because there is no positive view of the future, right? And only external threat. They immediately get very self-oriented very, very quickly. Right. It's, I am going to go fortify myself in the woods far away from all of this.

And that's what they care about. It takes hope of gain to make people say, all right, everybody, let's get together and let's build the thing or fund the thing. right it's it's the how do i put it's it's the vision of a potential positive future right a change in whatever it is if you're a billionaire right maybe the future that you're being pitched is you are a double billionaire and there are statues of you everywhere whatever it's a positive future outlook for you you are willing to invest in the third thing. Same reason why anyone is willing to invest in anything. They invest because they think things are going to get better for them specifically. They are willing to engage in team effort to bring about a better thing that benefits them. And this is why right-wing billionaires

don't. Because the only thing that is being told to them is how horrible things will be if they do not cough up money. Like, okay, you're not really pitching me to donate to your political thing. You are you know, pitching me to go build the bunker. I don't know if that's your intention, but that's what's happening. And that's the problem, right? The same reason that the billionaire isn't buying in is the same reason the housewife's not buying in. It is the same reason that really everyone is. There is no positive vision for what could exist. I mean, a big component of this is going to be a spiritual one, but go on. No, I was just, I was just, I don't, I don't know that I can, uh, I can build on that.

Same. I don't know that I can prove upon that. And I'm sort of getting to the point where I got, I got a bail. Yeah, let's end it there. Sounds good to me, man. Always appreciate talking to you, gentlemen. Until next time. Until next time.