The Pete Quiñones Show - The Thought Crime Syndicate (The 2025 Episodes) - Part 3

Episode Date: February 3, 2026

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Thought crime syndicate minus one is back. Charles, how you doing? Well, thank you, Pete. Yourself, hanging in there. You're doing good, doing good. DE, what's going on? Oh, you know, nothing ever happens. Nothing ever happens.

Well, I mean, this is the thing that I've been going through for, what is it now, 13 days? 13 days of, well, you know, Jews still exist. I don't care what he does. does, but Jews still exist. So there, no victory lapse. I mean, that's pretty much what, I think most of, most of our guys are like, wow, this is something is happening here. But then you have the kind that, like, I mean, really should just be libertarians because of the, because of the purity spiraling is like, well, Jews still exist. So, I mean, this, this is nothing.

This is, this isn't going to work. Well, I think we need to be a little bit cautious. here. If the tariffs only enrich rich people, they're bad. I was thinking about this. I just got off the phone with a friend of mine who's a LLM expert. And I got a buddy. It's called my buddy Dave. Dave works as a welder somewhere in the Midwestern United States doing something very important for the empire. And inflation's basically killed his ability to, you know, make a living. And the problem we have right now is we live in an oligarchy where the finance sector has pretty much hoovered up all available corporate profits. And you can look at it, like profits by sector from, say, 1970 to the present, right?

Ford used to make money making cars now they make money financing stuff and they're just like a hedge fund with a car company attached or retirement fund with a head you know with a car company attached and if Mark Andreessen

or Elon Musk wants to be like a super rich oligarch and Elon Musk wants like a harem of 20 like autistic super like super hot and lines. Okay. I can't really the fault a guy. I mean, like, that's what every 15 year old boy wants, right? Like, it's at least a human, human thing. The problem we have right now is that my buddy Dave, who lives in the American Midwest, uh, because of government policies pursued by the oligarchy, has destroyed the ability of the average dude to make a living.

And now, because of LLMs, you're, you're, you're destroying. white-collar work in a way that we haven't even like we don't even know how bad it's going to get computer programming accounting like engineering like it a ton of stuff is going to fall apart here in the next five to ten years we we know for a fact that um you know this deep seek a i whatever it is that the chinese are doing there was probably a lot of BS from the sam altman types um so if it's just more efficient efficient. We'll see. Like in order to you for your LLM to work, there has to be electricity.

So you got to pay the guys that deliver you electricity and make your electricity enough that they can afford to live and actually contribute to the system. Because right now, we just treat the guys who build electricity like, you know, mushrooms. We feed them shit and keep them in the dark. And we just pretend that, you know, the three guys talking in three different time zones across the continent is normal. like it should just work like no there's thousands of people working very hard at difficult stuff to make this conversation possible and your crypto or um you know your stock portfolio

or whatever all of that requires an underlying sub strata of like honest hardworking white dudes in order to function and so we'll see if if donald trump actually pulls this off good for him. But, you know, people should be skeptical. He did do his Trump coin, his Melania coin kind of stuff right before the inauguration, and that was pretty low. And this is all stuff he should have been doing in 2016. But, you know, good for him to finally actually realize he's at war with these people.

At least right now, it looks like he's actually taking this seriously. And that's really important. Yeah, I would say that's exactly where I'm thinking lately. And I see Pete's point, and I've seen plenty of those out there, those types, where they say, oh, well, these people still exist or this situation still exists. So we can't celebrate anything. I think that's foolish. And perhaps it may just be a benefit of our respective ages.

But I think a lot of people lack the proper perspective and fail to see just how far we come in so brief a time period. I view a lot of this stuff as akin to what one famous author wrote is going broke in the sense of you go broke very gradually and then suddenly all at once. And I see a lot of this as very similar to that. Now, again, I'm with U.D. We've talked about this many, many times since 2015. I still have my reservations about Trump and his administration. I still have my reservations about him, both as a leader and as a person. We know he is not, quote, unquote, our guy, but we have to take what we can get, and we have to be grateful. Thank heaven for small blessings, although I think many of the blessings we're getting

now are far from small. I think we just have to maintain a perspective in that we are winning quite a few battles, quite a few. And is it the war? No, no, it's not. This is going to be a very long and arduous war, but we are winning, and we have to just be grateful for that and continue the fight. I'm also not saying rest on our laurels. That's foolishness, but we do have to be grateful for our victory, and we can be skeptical, but I don't think we need to be pessimistic. I think that would be an equal injustice. And I think, as you said, also, we have to appreciate the people that are. on our side. We can't fall victim to overlooking people because one of the things that the right has always held dear is hierarchy, but one of the things that has been lost over the centuries, specifically since the French Revolution, is the idea that just because somebody

is lower than you in the hierarchy, it means that they are subhuman, that they are intermensched of some sort. I think that's just ludicrous. I'm a Christian. I'm not a Hindu, or None of that. Just because you may be below me in the hierarchy, the social strata, doesn't mean I don't value what you do. Does it mean I don't understand that you contribute very important things? As you said moments ago, Dee, we take for granted so much of this what we have. And I agree with you regarding the Internet, regarding, as you said, exemplified it quite well with three men talking across time zones.

But to me, it goes even deeper than that. And again, as you have already pointed out, just the fact we have running water and electricity. And we need to understand that these are not default positions. And I think to assume them to be default positions is to fall prey to very feminine thinking. Because as I've written and spoken about many, many times, women generally, whether they're cognizant of this or not, view life as a video game. where once you get to a certain point, you just click save, and you can never fall below it. We, however, as men, know we absolutely can fall below it. We, as men, know that maybe we'll get a job at six figures, and then a year later,

be working at the local McDonald's. Not that there's any shame in working at McDonald's, but we know that we're not going to be making six figures at McDonald's. So I think that's another thing we need to keep in mind, is that what we're we have is what we have, make use of it, but also understand the costs that come along with it and the people that we need to maintain it. So those are my thought. I think it's important as things are going along that if something seems to be a win that you stop and you be like, you know, just enjoy it for 10 minutes. You know, seeing seeing the wall at the, uh, FBI training center that had all these diversity slogans on it getting painted.

Well, I mean, that's nice. Seeing, you know, like, I don't know, the DEI and the affirmative action. Seeing capital charities, be like, we're going to have to close is fantastic. And, and again, I want to be very clear here. Donald Trump has done more in the last two weeks than any president since Richard Nixon to actually help the white people of this country. Yeah, I mean, probably more than Nixon actually, because Nixon was not like Nixon Institute, the EPA and there's much stuff that Nixon did, you know, Nixon did win the Cold War by, you know, the pivot to China and other things like that.

Yeah. But Donald Trump, the problem is people should be skeptical. Donald Trump has to have an iron will to see this stuff through because it was really cool to see the, you know, DEI mural painted over at the FBI. But is it just a thin coat of paint over the underlying substrata where the people who are at the FBI are still like vile race trade or communists? Or are they going to get turfed out and be doing something else for a living?

And now if Cash Patel actually does what he says he's going to do and gets rid of these people, great. I want the FBI to go after, you know, criminals, sex traffickers, you know, pedophiles, and interstate criminals, kidnappers, things like that. That's what I want the FBI for. And if the FBI is not going to do that, then there shouldn't be an FBI. and it sounds like that's what they want to do. But, you know, I'm done trusting the Republican Party.

And... Well, it's a matter of if they want to do something. And I mean, they should be able to do anything they want. But this isn't like a dictatorship. This is something where you have a system that's been put in place. place that's 80, almost 100 years old, where getting things to change is basically you have to do what Trump's been doing for the last two and a half weeks. And I mean, the thing that, or I mean, it's not even two weeks yet, the thing that just gets

me going is the people who want to see everything as, well, I can't take that, I can't, I can't celebrate that because, you know, oh, USA has got, if USA is getting shut down, that money is going to go to H1B visas or it's going to go be turned around and go to Israel. First of all, how do you know that? Second of all, how do you live like that? I mean, how do you live like that? How do you live with that much negativity where you can never, you, it's, here's what it is. My opinion, I know I'm right.

People don't want to be seen as being wrong and they don't want to be seen as having hope because people are going to make fun of them. And that's especially true with people who have a voice like we do. You see it all over the place. People are like, oh, well, you know, that you can't celebrate this, you know, and, oh, did you know, J.D. Vance and J.D. Vance had this and everything. Everything they talk about about J.D. Vance is before he became a Catholic. I have to give him some credit. The I don't care, Margaret, was perfect.

I mean, he's also on, he's also on Twitter, he's also on Twitter arguing, you know, for Catholic doctrine from, from a thousand years ago. I mean, okay, sure. I allow people to be able to change. I've changed in my life. Most of the people I know do not, or at least that I associate with, do not always believe what they. believed and they had change your mind now you can be completely and maybe and maybe it's justified um be completely you know just sour to the fact that somebody who has power or money will never change your mind but i think we've seen the evidence that that people with power and money do

change their minds people have influence change their minds and maybe it's out of self-interest but that doesn't mean that that self-interest doesn't at least in some way aligns with yours. Yeah, Mark and Drason and Elon Musk are not stupid people. And they know that they have to have a functioning electrical jury in order for them to do what they do. And that they have to have a functioning air traffic control systems in order for them to do what they do. You know, when I was talking with the friend of my news, an LLM expert, like five minutes before this call, right? The biggest problem, and Charles, you've talked about this in the past, right?

effectively, like, if you're like an upper middle class shit lib woman, your life consists of magic spells. Correct. You say, you know, Kamala Harris says,

I want someone in outer Waziristan killed. And it's like, so let it be written, so let it be done, right? She has no idea of all the amount of work it took, it took to get like the JP8, the jet fuel,

into the jet. she has no clue about the refining process, pulling it out of the ground, the refining process, the pipeline it takes to get it from point A to point B, you know, the storage of it, the putting it on the plane, you know, the sailing, the nuclear aircraft carrier, all the stuff that has to go right all the time with something like that. And then, you know, the putting the, putting the warhead on the forehead, how hard that is. This woman has no clue about any of it. Nope.

Not even the slightest idea. No. And so it's just magic to her of like, well, I, you know, what did Hillary Clinton say? We came, we saw he died, right? Like she has no clue how hard it is. Right. To like not crash an airplane. Yeah.

No clue at all. Right. And that goes back to my, that goes back to my earlier statement in this very broadcast about they view life as a video game. And they just think I'll just press a button. And then it's my save point. and this is how it's always going to be. Forever and ever, amen. And that's why I say,

we have to avoid these types of thinking. And you're right. They just can't, they can't fathom it. And that's why everything's falling apart. Because as you said, or quoted me, they just,

everything happens by a magic spell. Everything happens by a magic spell. I mean, I'm going to try and watch what I say very carefully here because I don't, I don't want to give out any information about your family. but I mean I happen to know quite a few details about you and your family it's like look at the women in your very family how intelligent educated they are

and even you're like calling me up every so often going do you believe what do you believe this and I'm like right and and that's one of the smartest women in the country like what do you and this is and they all do it they all do right they are that's just the way they are exactly why the 19th is a mistake Yes, terribly. You talked about that, I think, on a recent program. But Donald Trump, I don't know if it was getting shot in the head. I don't know if it was throwing him in jail.

I don't know if it was the attempt to bankrupt him. I think, honestly, he started to get really offended when they put this absolute dog in front of him and said that he'd actually try to hit on that woman. Like, I'm sorry. But the Donald has been importing, has been importing top shelf. tail female companionship from eastern europe for 50 for 40 years like like he is not he is not hurting for a good you know yeah and i mean what you're saying to it i think it was president before anything like i think it's a combination of what you're saying i mean i do hear you and i think

there's probably more truth to that than many people would even admit that that that itself was a slap in the face and one from which he didn't he didn't like lightly shy away, something that aggravated him tremendously. I wouldn't be surprised. But to go back to your larger point and the topic in hand is, I would like to believe that it wasn't any one of those things, not even getting shot, that it was a combination of all of them, that he sees his boomer mind has finally come to the realization.

He has finally exited his bubble. that these people want you dead. I don't understand how to say it any more clearly. These are not people with whom you can argue in good faith. These are not your fellow boomers where you can look them in the eye and shake their hand and just walk in and say, hey, I'm here, give me a job, blah, blah, blah. You can't argue in good faith. I would like to think all of the things you mentioned finally shook him awake to those

realities. Now, again, am I saying he's going to be our guy? No, that's not at all what I'm saying. But I will go back to what I said when we were talking about Eric Prince and a lot of those things. Trump is a bridge. Full stop. That's how I look at him. That's how I think, frankly, if I may be so immodest, I think everybody should look at him. Be grateful, be happy, but do not expect or don't even desire him to be the destination. He is a bridge. He is getting us over a chasm to mix a metaphor that you said, D, yourself hasn't been bridged in 60 years. You know, 50 years, 60 years. So be grateful that we-

The next thing they tried to do something about it, they both got killed. Right. Metaphorically and then literally. Yes. And that's what I'm trying to say. Again, I also state, and I'll see. the floor in a moment. But I also state, I agree with you, that yes, be skeptical. No one's saying that we should put all our faith in them, all our stock in them and everything. And I agree with what Pete said earlier. Like, you know, okay, you can celebrate for a few minutes. You can enjoy your victory. And then you got to get back into the fight. I agree with that. But I'm still trying to point out that he is a bridge. Understand him for what he is. And even if he is a king on the

chess board, he's still just another piece of the whole. He may be a vital piece. He may be the most vital piece at this moment, but he is still a piece on the board. There are others, and they have to be used. He is not the game itself. And I do want to give him a great deal of credit in one particular respect. All my enemies are seating, and it is fantastic. Right. Part I love. Well, I think there's something, I want to tell all the right people. Yeah, just to touch here's one of the things. Okay.

Oh, okay, I'll wrap up very quickly. Here's what I was just want to say real quick to that. Like, to your point, too, Pete, we have to take a moment to celebrate because we have to remember, why are we doing this? If we don't enjoy, you know, a nice building that we finally

got to constructed, that isn't some brutalist communist trash, or we finally have a nice park. or we finally paint over the DEI. You have to take a moment and remind yourself why you're fighting. And you have to celebrate. And because will to fight is just as important as the tools at one's disposal. If you lose your will to fight, if you're demoralized,

doesn't matter all the ammunition, all the weapons you have. You've already given up the battle and you've lost. So we have to remember why to fight. Okay, I'm sorry, gentlemen. You please continue. Oh, no, I was just going to say I was looking. cleaning out my phone today and I'm sure both of you guys remember

probably like the most base fag ever on the right, Justin Ramando. Yep, yep. Yeah, I found one of his old tweets. He said, politics is purely negative. You should get that. It's about who you hate.

Trump is hated by people I hate. That's why I root for him. We're rooting for him. We're rooting for him to destroy these people. And to give you a, A concrete example that vile Episcopal Wham and Bishop that talked about trans children at the National Cathedral. Okay. Well, it turns out there's like 2 million people who work for the federal government and like 12 million people that work for non-gental organizations that are dependent on federal tax dollars.

that woman is basically a government employee. And she should be fired. And every dime that she's ever received, I mean, if you could claw it back from her and sewer, that would be great. But like, just stop giving her money. Right. You know, the Cat Lady industrial complex

that like prevents people from actually, you know, building stuff because, you know, the, some fish in, you know, the Delta spelt or some little tiny owl in the Pacific Northwest, right, whatever. Who do you think these people are? It's left-wing women who make up the majority of these offices that I wrote about it, right? Like, they should have gotten married at 19 to a guy who's like a welder or a logger. or an electrician or something,

some guy who was actually doing some or a trucker or something, who's actually doing something real in the real world, giving him three kids by the time she was 35 or four. And then by the time she's 40, she's looking forward to grandkids and is like happy and, you know, reasonably. But instead,

you know, she's 35 childless, single and like coming to terms with the fact that she's never going to have kids because she got a master's at 20, after getting a sociology degree and then bumming around for two or three years working some mindless NGO job that was like unfulfilling and poorly remunerated. So she went to grad school and got a further bullshit degrees. She got a degree in sociology and then got a degree in, you know, grievance studies of some sort, right? So it's a master's in grievance studies.

And so she gets out of that at 28, you know, further ideological. poisoned with most of her fertility years gone and uh well i can't have a kid now i just racked up two and a thousand dollars in student debt i got i got to get out of debt first so like you boyfriend have to wait for five years while i get my fiscal house in order and then she's in her 30s been cooking your ovaries for you know the last 20 years with you know uh birth control pills and all the sudden she finds she can't have kids the boyfriend bails because he'd like you know well, there's 23-year-olds that don't have a master's that they can have kids and they aren't total bitches about, you know, the patriarchy. So I'm going to go date one of those.

You know, 23-year-old with daddy issues is way better than a 33-year-old with daddy issues. And then she's 35 single alone and really unhappy. And I'm seeing this in my own life, right? because I'm at that age where, you know, mid-40s and a bunch of people I went to school with are all like, oh, I'm never going to have kids. Like, yes, yes, that's exactly right. You're never going to have kids. Now, for the guys in my life, you still might. You can find the 23-year-old co-ed with daddy issues and have some. But for all the women who are my age or, you know, 10 years younger than me, like, you're not going to have kids. And I got to say, like, a big W that I'm really personally very happy about is watching all the wrong people stop stealing from decent people.

Like the NGO complex is so huge and is such a vast fortress of left wing power. And literally all you needed to do was pull the plug. Just stop the, just stop the endless spigot of government money. And every one of these people is broke overnight. Overnight. Exactly. And instead instead of becoming bitter, 35-year-old, childless women, all of, if you're told the truth as a young lady, like, hey, you can get a bullshit degree and end up here 35 childless, whatever, or you can marry, you know, build a welder, build a truck driver. and have a few kids and then maybe go do something else,

you know, once the kids are grown or in school, that's an unmitigated W. That's the, the biggest problem in America right now in terms of our demographics is that the productive white middle class isn't having enough children. And the reason we're not having enough children is the perverse incentives built into the educational system. Yes.

Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, to go back. One of the things that, let me, let me jump in there for a second. Of course. One of the things this Stormy pointed out to me a while back was that basically non-governmental organizations or non-genital organizations, which include nonprofits. And if you know, if you know about this, these are mostly funded. They're either being funded by taxpayer dollars.

money just printed from this through this department that apparently Elon Musk seized and like the longest, one of the oldest, one of the most senior government officials was actually working through it where they just print checks to anyone. They found out today they were printing checks to terrorist organizations. And, you know, when you heard that Obama, that Osama bin Laden was getting paid through, like, like 2005 by the CIA. When you see this, it's like, oh, there was nothing nefarious about that. That's just a, it's just a bureaucracy and how it works. But one thing Stormy pointed out to me was 10% of the U.S. population works for one of these groups.

10% of the population works for one of these groups, an NGO or a nonprofit. There's a chance that with the U.S. aid going out of the way and this being audited, that this goes away. I mean, sure, you're going to have to do, you're going to have to stay on it. You're going to have to make sure it doesn't start up again. But, okay, how would it start up again if you have your own people? That's what I think a lot of people aren't even realizing yet. What they're planning on doing, they can't do until they have everyone like appointed and in place. They're waiting for people to get, you know, to get, um, confirmed.

and just seeing what they're doing before half of the confirmations are even in. I mean, I think probably a lot of them aren't even in is pretty remarkable. It seems like it's setting the stage for something that they can do once they have, you know, personnel running the, I mean, this guy that they got fired who was just basically printing checks in charge of printing all the checks. He was the acting head of the treasury. I mean, that's the kind of fucked up system that this is, is that this like career bureaucrat that no one was going to fire until now, or and that they basically forced him to quit.

He was, he was head of the fucking treasury in transition. This is how, this kind of stuff that's, um, and it looks like they're trying to fix. now, you know, who they fix it with. Apparently, you know, Bacentz has gone in there. And he's talking about Bitcoin. And he's talking about, you know, he had a whole thing about removing the income tax. I mean, I don't know. I don't know.

But, yeah, 10%. But here's the thing. And the worst 10% too. Why would they say, why would they be saying all of this shit? I mean, are they make, are they making all this stuff up and just lying to, you know, lying to the frogs on Twitter? They're just, you're lying to us. They're trying to trick us because we have so much power and we're like, what the fuck?

What are people talking about? I had someone the other day say to me, say to me, oh, they're just trying to get you on their side. I'm like, yeah. Okay. What, okay. Give me something and I will. Yeah. Yeah.

But they're just trying to get you. They're just trying to get you to repeat their talking points. I'm like, okay. And how does that help? If they're going to do what they want anyway, why would they be targeting me? Are you fucking stupid? Well, the answer in most cases is yes. But right.

So one thing that I think that our guys need to do, and it is our friends over at Country Mundum, C.J. Angle and Andrew Isker, recently talked about this. Like, the unlined right is now driving the discourse. and a couple things that if you're listening to this and you have influence, okay, a couple things you need to do. All right. It is ridiculous. 10% of the entire U.S. population, working U.S. population, was effectively doing communist adjunct prop with taxpayer dollars.

That's insane. Okay? and the fact that the three of us who are let's be honest on the better end of doing right-wing propaganda are being paid full-time by someone with lots of money and you know this is where I do my weekly show go to the support Pete you know page free man be on the wall slash support and kick in 10 bucks okay because if you really want this to be permanent you need to build institutions and pay the people you want to do things. Lefty and communists figured out a way to get 10% of the entire working population

paid from tax dollars. Guys who are welders and truckers and electricians and plumbers were paying 30, 40, 50% of their check every year in taxes, like direct taxes. then tens of thousands in what amounts to taxes because they have to move out of their neighborhood and move somewhere else because the population gets a little too diverse and that's tax and, you know, all the other little things that diversity, all the other cost diversity and ports on these guys. But, you know, if you're a plumber who's making 120 grand because you work really hard, you're in that top tax packet and you're paying

out the nose. So the left wing government in the United States, was taking that guy and it was taken half of his check and sure it was occasionally given him a highway and occasionally given him a Department of Defense that would go fight a bunch of wars somewhere where it didn't help him at all but a huge chunk of his check

was going to people that wanted to make it illegal for him to work. Yeah, absolutely. But to me, to me, God, dude, go out, finish. Finish thought. So if you want to avoid that sort of stuff, figure out a way to pay the people that are actually fighting the battles. Build the institutions so that city of London mouthpiece

of freaking Pierce Morgan just gets humiliated every time he opens his mouth instead of just when he's on Tucker. That guy is a laughing stock and he should be made fun of. Figure out a way to pay the people who are actually capable of making the arguments. build the institutions so that in four years, you know, J.D. Vance doesn't go up against Gavin Newsom and lose. Yeah, to me, like, to me, finding that. I understand what, well, let me, Charles, I'll be, I'll be real quick. This is going to be real quick.

And understand when DE is saying this, he's not talking to you guys who are going to your daily job and supporting your family and getting. by. He's talking to you out there who have means, like could finance a fucking NGO on your own. Where are you? Where the fuck are you? I'm done. No, that's, those are great points. That's exactly who I'm talking. Yeah. I'm not going to back down from either of those, but I'm going to be my usual self and try a white pill too. I'm going to be honest with you. I love hearing that we just found out that 10% of the American population has been working for the Azoresations.

I think that's great, but I'm going to explain why I think that's great. That's because that goes to show you that, again, as I've been saying for, I don't know, the past few weeks on the side on our chats, or past a couple months, that all of our enemies really are just gambling, G-A-M-B-O-L, gambling paper tigers. They really are. They really are not anywhere near the challenge we ever believe them to be. They're just paper tigers, they're puffer fish. Because look, they couldn't even build their own organizations. They just stole it from America.

Now we're finding out that the reason that the long marches through the institution were a thing is because they literally can't build anything of their own. Sure, we've always said that. And maybe we've intellectually understood that. But I don't think even, I'll speak for myself. I won't speak for anybody else. I don't believe I ever truly grasped how absolutely ineffective

and ineffectual our enemies are. Oh, well, they stole trillions. Absolutely they did. But to me, that's great news. Stop letting them steal. That's it. Just turn off the spigot. And we're seeing already what the impact of that is.

They crumble literally almost overnight. Literally, almost overnight. you've been watching the DNC. Let me just wrap up real quick. And what do you think's going to happen when all these, when we just keep turning off the spigots, when we just keep plugging holes in the bows. As you were

saying earlier, Pete, some people are going to go, oh, it'll just go to Israel or H-1B. Okay, so then we'll plug that hole too. Again, this isn't an instantaneous fix. But the white pill here is, these people can't do anything without us. They literally can.

As you've been saying, Dee, they have have their hands in our pockets or they get fuck all nothing and what do we do when we take their hands out of our pockets they fall over and cry and that's it they're done what kind of actual resistance have they offered since all this began almost nothing why because they don't have anything they have shrieking they have shame they have blame but they don't have any any real action they don't have any money their toddlers throwing a tantrum bingo They just have talk. They have a sewing circle.

They have a gossip circle. That's what they have. They are spiritual women. As I have been saying, God, Dee, how long have I been saying that? Eight years, ten years? I don't even know how long we've been saying. So what are they going to throw themselves on the bed? Yeah, they're going to throw themselves on the bed.

They're going to scream into the pillow. Like to me, this is a tremendous white pill. Yes, I understand it's horrific. Yes, all of us here have been stolen from. You know, hell, I don't even have any kids because of all of this shit over the course of the years. So, yes, I understand the tragedy. I also understand the white pill in it. And that's what I'm trying to put on display for everybody now.

Like, just watch what's going to happen. Do you think these people are really that truly dedicated to their cause that when we stop giving them 80 grand a year and do nothing laptop jobs? They're still going to be pushing progressive causes? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. And what I was bringing up, right? Right now, just to use a concrete example. Okay. Andrew Isker and C.J. Angle should be paid full time generously

to find left-wing bullshit given to progressive churches used to undermine Christianity and America. That should be their full-time job. And if they don't want the job, it should be given to somebody that's trustworthy that understands the issues, somebody like Michael Hitchborn in the Catholic sphere, I don't know. But the entire progressive church establishment, as exemplified by that awful episcopal woman bishop, right, they're all government employees. Well, we can fire those people. Stop giving them money. And then are they going to do, you know, like without all this money? that they've been getting from taxpayers

you know, Bill the plumber who makes $120,000 a year by working 70 hours a week or 80 hours a week, you know, literally up to his eyeballs and shit, right? If we can get a tax system that doesn't take half of what that guy makes, all of a sudden he's doing a lot better. And these other people are doing a lot worse, and that's good.

And yeah, right now we live in a corporate oligarchy controlled by finance that we're you know the finance system takes all the profits from someplace like Exxon and they make enough profit to stay open and that's about it

and the finance side takes all the profits and then among the financed firms the people at the top give the lion's share the money so it's a you know like a pyramid scheme oligarchy yeah it's terrible and I don't want to defend that but right now

if we just stop paying the people trying to destroy us, that's a huge step in the right direction. A huge step in the right direction. I think that Donald Trump should do a couple things. What he's been doing so far is great. What I want to see from him is where's my NFA repeal? Where's my hearing protection acts so that suppressors and so-called silencers? Where's my reciprocal concealed carry?

Where's my right to do business so that YouTube can't just demonetize me overnight? so I can't be debanked. That's when you know we're winning. Right now, right now we've got a couple Ws. When we're actively winning is when we're taking territory back from the people who have taken it from us. Because right now, if you gave me a right to do business law and a shielding from doxing law and something like that, we'd win. We'd win. The legacy media is in shambles.

And it's great to watch. they don't have the slightest clue what to do. But the only reason... Go ahead. Yeah, there are a lot of reports that we're getting. I mean, I have people contacting me all day about how government workers, they know, they're just not going to go back to work. They're not...

It's as petty as his picture, Donald Trump's picture, is going to be in the office, and I'm not going to look at it. I'm going to take the eight months. pay and leave. I mean, this is exactly how you do it. These people are not as fanatical as you think they are. They're in it because they're getting paid. And sure, there are a lot of them that are true believers, but it's not as many as you think. I mean, look, how many true believers do you? Now, we know a lot of true believers because this is what we do. But, you know, the average person, if you ask them, How many people do you know they're like insanely politically ideological and they, you know, most people don't even know one person.

Or if they do know that person, they maybe know one person that person's hiding it. We're just the fact that it seems like he surrounded himself with some people who are like, for whatever reason, it could be their own self-interest that they need to tear this thing down and tear it apart. Well, I mean, I'm going to celebrate it. And I don't really care who does it. You know, I mean, they got the ceasefire in, he got the ceasefire in, in Gaza and the, the hostages home. The hostages coming home, which hurts Netanyahu, no matter what anybody wants to, by sending a Jewish real estate magnet there to be like, hey, you're going to do this. Okay.

Netanyahu may start bombing Gaza in the next week or something. Still, it was to go there and say, fuck you. And you don't think there are, that U.S. aid, there are things that were just making its way into, I mean, let's face it. There's a reason we call these organizations, non-Gentile organizations, because we know who runs them. Our enemies are not as impressive as you think they are. and I think if you can take anything away from the last 14 days, it's that look at these people. They suck.

They're weak. They're defeated. They're just going to quit and give up. Where are they going to go? What are they going to do? Are they going to get a job for a net from, if they work for the government right now, are they getting a job with an NGO?

Okay, who's funding that? I think people really need to understand. understand what this is. Of course, if it's being done, if this is all true and they're not just lying to you because you're so important. But, yeah, these are not impressive people and these people could be destroyed overnight. And they are being destroyed overnight. They are destroyed.

They're being destroyed overnight. And I think it's really important, again, I'm going to be skeptical. I'm going to wait until, you know, the courts, a lot of the stuff is going to go through the courts. I think in particular something like birthright citizenship, just for example, right, if the courts find that illegal Mexicans having kids in the United States makes them citizens, it's now time to be like, okay,

well, then the Constitution is, in fact, a suicide pact, and it's time to, like, punch out of it, right? I don't, I personally don't regard or any court decisions signed off by Elena Kagan or Sona Sotomayor or Katanji Brown Jackson as legitimate because I just don't think that they have any right to tell me what the law is in my country. Like you're not you're not my countryman. You have no. You're women, first of all. Second, like, like, you know, you're just not people that I would respect enough to say, okay, well, you know, whatever I think of them, their opinion matters.

Like, no, I don't. But that's me. but if they say that no matter what and the courts find that you know the 14th Amendment requires us to basically commit suicide as a nation that's going to be awful in a lot of ways but on the other hand you just prove menchis moldbug correct or you just proved Michael Hill correct you're not going to get the genie back in the bottle you're going to see maybe major moves in Florida, in Texas, in other places to succeed. And if it flips the other way and in fact, illegal immigration is like, well, they're not citizens and they don't belong here, a huge chunk of Californians can be like, but we want out. Like, okay.

Doors that way. Bye. You know? And regardless of how things turn out, you know, we can turn these either to our advantage either way. And our enemies are losing power. vastly. But just not paying them for 90 days

as a president is ordered. A ton of these places, you're just going to go out of business. Yeah. Your commercial real estate is going to get so cheap because every NGO is going to just shudder. They're going to go bankrupt. They're going to close. What are these people going to do?

You know, open up organic bagel shops, you know? Yeah. They're going to be doing a bunch of the jobs the legal used to do because there's no other. jobs available. Right. Exactly.

They're unimpressive people. And as I've said, that's, as I said earlier in the program, the only reason they have anything is because they took it from us. I mean, it's that simple. What did they build? Nothing. They didn't build anything. Well, they have all this stuff, all this money.

Yeah, but they didn't build any of it. That was the American government that they did their long march through. That's not, as we've all, as we've just said, they're all effectively federal employees, either literally or figuratively through the NGOs and all these other things they get grants and everything. They didn't build any of that. They just parasited off of it. So as I've said, as I said earlier,

these people are not as not as impressive as anyone thinks they are. And I am trying, and again, another white pill for me personally, I count my blessings that I'm not fighting the communists in what? 19 during the revolution in Russia in whatever year that was, forgive me, the white and the red, I don't recall off the top of my head. Like, you know, what if I'm, 17, 19. Yeah, thank you. Like, I'm not fighting guys that are hungry and farm workers who haven't already learned that

they're being manipulated by our tiny-hatted friends. Like, these guys are really sincerely hungry, sincerely starve, sincerely troubled. And like, oh, okay, you know what? these guys know how to fight, they know how to work, they know how to do things. It's like, okay, that's an enemy that I'm worried about. And frankly, I'm grateful I don't have them as an enemy. I don't.

What do I have, the Cat Lady Industrial Complex, to use your phrase, Dee. And what do I have to do to win? I'm going to quote my buddy that owns a logging company up in Canada. What do I have to do to win? Stop losing. Stop losing. That's it.

You don't even really have to win. Just stop losing. Stop letting them take your money. Stop giving them money. That's it. Stop being scared of them. When they talk, say, I don't care, Margaret, and move on. I mean, yeah, I don't care, Margaret.

That should be just repeat that to yourself over and over again. I don't care, Karen. It doesn't matter. What is the Department of Education done that actually makes education better in this country? Why shouldn't we shut it down? you explain to me why we shouldn't shut it down. Instead of us being on the defensive, you explain to me why people who butylate kids shouldn't be in jail.

Right. You explain to us because it's our money, not yours. Like to me, it's that simple. It's like that's why they should have to explain it. That's why the burden of proof is on them. I agree with the 100% D. And that's the point. Just say, no, you explain to me.

Oh, well, you just need to be educated and this and that. You need to understand. No, no, I don't. Because I'm not the one asking for the money. I'm not the one asking for the favor. You are. So you tell me why do you need it? It's like you, Dee, when your kids eventually say, hey, dad, I need to use the car.

Okay, well, why? Where are you going? Well, you don't need to know that. You need to give me the car. No, I think I do need to know that. Oh, no. Yeah. Well, I got a thing at church.

Okay, you can have the car. Oh, I was going to go out drinking with a bunch of low character reprobates. No, you can't have the car. Right? Like these are two different things. Right. And I think it's important right now. You know, all this stuff that's being done is good.

It should have been done eight years ago. But Donald Trump didn't know he was in a knife fight for his life at the time. And he was surrounded by a lot of bad people who gave him really bad advice. And, you know. And something Pete mentioned earlier that I think is important. Like I've been an out and out like far right hard right guy for 15 years. And even I changed my mind to get here. You know, like the only people who get to say like I was right from the beginning are like Pat Buchanan, Jared Taylor and Mark Weber.

Everyone else got here through learning things. And we should be skeptical of people who just like, oh, I totally agree with you now. Like, okay, sure, great. Like, prove it. But at the same time, we have to be open to the fact, like, we all got here,

via reading and learning and listening to stuff and looking around and looking at history. And if somebody who is relatively a newcomer, you know, seems sincere, we shouldn't put him in charge of things, certainly. but we shouldn't just be like, oh, you're new, so we can't listen to you. Right. And I think it's really good, actually,

that the system has been so hostile to sane people because that's shown millions and millions of people, just how totalitarian and insane the Nuremberg regime is. Right? Like they're just as religious as the court of St. Louis 9th, king of France, right, who was a literal saint and opened every, you know, with prayer and mass and, right, like every day he heard mass. Well, these people are just as religious as he was as their religion is evil. And they're just as totalitarian as Joseph Stalin. They just don't put people in Kulags.

They just, you know, prevent you from working, prevent you from being able to get married, prevent you from. having a bank account. So, like, you can survive, sort of, but you can't do anything about it. So I think it's really good that more and more people understand just how big the fight is.

And it took, what, three generations, Pete, to get us to this spot, you know, from, you know, the civil rights era of with Johnson, great society to now. I mean, if that's where you put the start at, I mean, you can go back even four or five generations to the New Neal regime, but at least the civil rights regime was solidly in place by 1965.

That's, you know, 70 years, two generations, at least three generations. It's not going to be like unfucked overnight. As much as I would love to press the button. And, you know, listeners, if you said to me, D, you've got a button. And if you push that button, everything gets fixed, but it gives you incurable stage four cancer. You're going to be dead in a month. I push the button. And I'm 100% serious.

I would push the button knowing I would die in excruciating agony because that would be the best thing for my children. So I would prefer everything to be fixed overnight, but I know that that's not the case. It's going to take work. It's going to take time. It's going to take effort. And we should enjoy the wins while we've got them. We should absolutely, you know, sit back, pops and popcorn, have a few beers

and laugh at all the DEI people who are getting fired. Right? That's fantastic. Like, please bring me more video of crying Mexican women. I don't want to go back to Mexico It's the worst thing in the world Oh my gosh Oh really

You know All you Mexicans Los Angeles waving the Mexican flag Oh Being surrounded by Mexicans is the worst thing ever Okay I guess I mean I found it pretty awful when it's happened to me

I found Mexicans pretty intolerable actually Okay I mean I guess glad you agree on with me on something. Like, these are good things. But we can't just rest on our laurels and just, oh, trust the process. No, we need to push. We need to push constantly for to make sure that all the stuff that he's talked about already has been implemented.

And then for the other stuff that we need or want. Like, why are, you know, working people in America paying taxes at all? What do they get out of the system? Schools they can't use, roads that look like the dark side of the moon, water systems that are held together with duct tape and bailing wire, what are we actually getting out of the system that justifies 30, 40, 50% of what I make going in taxes? Airplanes falling out of the sky. Canadian truckers who, you know, come across the border.

don't know how to drive and end up plowing through a bunch of kids. What am I getting? And you out there who are listening, you know, join your local chapter of the old glory club or find a group of guys local to you and advocate for yourselves as yourselves and ask the system, like, what are you going to offer me to stay loyal? Because right now you give me no reason whatsoever. You know, a starter house in anywhere in America where there's actually jobs. is half a million dollars and interest rates are eight and a half percent are you fucking high

eight and a half percent and half a million dollars for a three two in a bad neighborhood that's crazy what are you going to give me system so that i won't rebel against you why should i be loyal to you when you were not loyal to me yeah i mean we don't we still need to push and, you know, remember that, you know, the easiest way to navigate this system is to build locally. I mean, that's still the future, no matter what's happening here. Seeing just how ineffective some leadership is, how all leadership is, basically, and now the leadership that's coming in there is basically from the private sector, and they're

going to want to go back to the private sector at some point. You know, as Thomas says, this thing is just falling apart. It's just going to take forever. So you need to start building locally. But still, the more that can be destroyed in the process, the less they have to come after you with. So, you know, one thing that a lot of people have noticed has started to notice is that basically all of these, I mean, most of the things that they're doing that they're doing have basically. basically come from our side of Twitter. And it's like they're mining for ideas.

And, you know, people are now wondering, like, who's, you know, whose burner account is this, things like that. Is it somebody who's looking for power, you know, looking for ideas that they can use and put and use power to, um, move forward and tear this, tear down what's been built. So yeah,

you don't stop. You don't stop going forward. You don't stop throwing the ideas out there and demanding things. Because I know that a lot of people don't want to believe this, but yeah, they're getting ideas from Twitter. They're like seeing how the wind is blowing on Twitter and seeing what people are doing. And then they're acting. And, you know, I mean, we. know for a fact that a lot of these guys, even guys that you would not expect, listen to our

podcast. So keep the ideas going. Never stop. But that doesn't mean that everything has to be negative, that you can't, you can't enjoy a win. You can't enjoy seeing USAID just like their website disappear and their Twitter account. disappear. Yeah, their website just. Spanish version of the White House website disappearing.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, all this stuff. I mean, you're so much of basically what they're doing is they're canceling the people who've been canceling for the past 10, 15 years. Yes. And that is what needs to be done because they don't understand anything else. And the thing is, is they've gotten so used to winning.

that they they don't know what to do at this point. You know, are there elites out there? And I think another thing that this proves, when you see people going, well, this definitely, you know, there are moves being made that are to weaken the power, that will weaken the power of Zok. I mean, they're, he's basically like,

they're going to war with Europe. I mean, Jamie, Jamie Diamond and Friggin and, um, and Jerome Powell are trying to destroy them financially. Or trying to just tear down the whole system that keeps them going. And then you have money going to Israel. You have, this is exactly what the fuck we were saying a year ago. There is an elite revolution going on and there are different elite power groups. And some are winning, some are, They're fighting and some are getting big wins over here and some are getting big wins over here.

You can't fucking... When you have elites that are going at each other, some are going to win, some are going to lose until it gets to the point where one team will actually win. And you hope it's the team that is more on our side than not. Amen. I mean, we saw this. We called it. We've been saying this. I said Marco Rubio was not here to fucking talk to Benjur.

him in Netanyahu. He was here to go to Central America and South America. Where the fuck is he? South America. And to your point, right? Thanks to Stormy and thanks to you, right? Like, all I see is like City of London versus not, right? And Tucker Carlson goes on to talk to Pierce Morgan.

And Pierce Morgan might as well have put to you, like, brought to you by City of London tattooed on his forehead. right? Because the city, I know I've shared with you guys, but for the listeners, there's a wonderful British sitcom from the 80s called Yes Minister, and then Yes, Prime Minister. And it's very, very funny. But, you know, the British had the same, or the city of London has had the same foreign policy for the last half millennium or so,

ever since they really took over. And that is that there's, shall not be a strong power on the continent because a strong power of the continent could say to them, why are you quoting laws to us? We have swords. We're just going to take your money and you can't do anything about it. Go fly a kite. Back to the pale.

Right. So the city of London has contrived things. I would recommend Pete's episode on the city of London with stormy. I think it was a stormy. Um, about this. Okay. But story we talked about it too. Um, the heritage American Tucker Carlson without getting in trouble basically said,

your city of London sociopathic need to not have a strong power on the continent is retarded. And you've destroyed your country. And you're a fool for wanting to perpetuate. actually have this financial interest and not have a strong country underneath it. And Pierce Morgan, you know, for whatever else he is, he's very adroit, very good on his feet. Well, what about it? No, dude, no, you do not get to try and provoke a nuclear war with Russia because having a functioning empire on the continent gives you bad feefees.

I don't want to get nuked because you feel bad because there's a strong power in the continent. Don't care. Not my problem. And if someone like Tucker who probably knows more than he lets on, let's all be honest, Blake Neff was working for him, he probably knows a little bit more than he talks about.

Obviously a bright dude. Okay. he's not going to just scream it's the Jews you know and then Hulkomania style like tear off his shirt and there's not going to be like you know Derek Vineyard wouldn't be a little friendship tattoo under like this is that's not Tucker Carlson okay and and don't be upset if that's not him

okay you can't be mad at the guy for being you know in his mid 50s and slowly coming to realize that new conservatism is nonsense would it be cool if like you know every see everyone in pundit was like secretly had the Derek Vineyard Woodrow of Friendship Tattoo and they all simultaneously tore their shirts off Hulkomania style and said hey chage brother like there's a part of me that's like you know perpetually 12 years old that would be like you know think that was awesome but i live in the real world and i understand that that's not the way things are actually going to go the

important thing that we need people in elite circles right now to do is to hold the president accountable and the stuff he's done and to push for other good things. There's absolutely no reason NBC should be in the White House briefing room because they're just going to lie. The OGC live stream last week had more listeners or more watchers than CNN does. Why can't Doug be the White House correspondent for the Orglary Cup? why does CNN get a white house correspondent an old glory club not why can't we have someone from the you know the virginia chapter be the white house correspondent for the old glory club they do a better job

they'd ask more interesting questions they wouldn't lie you know so all we need people with influence to do is just not lie that's it that's all you know well all these women are you know you're you're uh mr president all of your cuts have disproportionately affected women well i would refer to you to the writing of mr you know charles pedil uh women don't work in the private economy they do stuff for men so maybe these women could like i don't know get married and have kids men'll pay them to do that they'll be happier next question they're going to have to grow their hair out.

They're going to have to grow their hair out on their head and get rid of the hair under their arms first. Okay. Indeed. And really, that's not much to ask for. No. And I only bring this up very briefly because I promise we talk about it. The California fires are a choice. And we haven't talked about things like accidents over Washington, D.C., those are really.

choice. There's a lot of stuff out there that's necessary and boring. And you need a dude like me who's boring and autistic and really cares about spreadsheets to monitor that stuff. And this decline that we've seen my entire adult life is a choice. You can choose to not decline. You can choose to build. You can choose to make things better. You know, don't accept that like, oh, it just inevitably this is what happens. Like, no, those fires in California that killed people and burned billions of dollars, they could have been prevented and it was a choice to make that happen. You know, the crime that happens in America cities, that's a choice because you could have locked these people up, but you did. The roads that are not safe, that's a choice. The airlines that aren't safe,

those are choices. You have to have standards. You have to have standards. You have to enforce those standards. You have to care about building civilization brick by brick. And that takes hard work and it's boring, but it's necessary. And the guys who were too busy caring about whether or not the planes don't fall out of the sky, don't have much time to care about whether you're about Zimzo Zer is, you know, in the one of the air traffic controller seat. And unless someone is advocating for the the actual brick on the ground making sure stuff works, they're advocating for bad things to happen to decent people

because they're advocating for ignoring the stuff that's necessary in favor of stuff that isn't. So they're choosing crime. They're choosing planes falling out of the sky. They're choosing wildfires. They're choosing, you know, this lackluster hurricane response to North Carolina. They're choosing that. And it's very simple to not choose it.

and all we need is people in charge to choose the right thing. Well, you know, it's when he started doing all these things and doing all these EOs, executive orders, and just basically dismantling a bunch of stuff, you're talking about choosing. I mean, what you found out was, what we found out was you can just do stuff. You know, like literally just decide to do stuff.

And they fuck them. They can't. They're not fighting back. Especially if you just say, look, this is the way it is. Fight it in court. It was like the whole thing with not funding. I forget what it was. They were not funding.

And then a judge stepped in and said, well, that executive order is unconstitutional. Okay, we'll pull the executive order. But we're still not going to send the funds out. Okay. You can just do stuff. You can literally become an article two president where you're like, all power relies. All power lies in the executive.

Fuck you. He just has to keep doing it. And I mean, just today he is talking about South Africa. Yeah. The only real legit refugees in the world are, you know, Christians in the Middle East and white South Africans. Yeah. So is he, you know, what was the thing? Panama, Panama has already said we're out of the belt. We're out of Belt and Road.

And, you know, basically this canal belongs to the United States. And Canada is going to, he put the tariffs on Canada. Canada put tariffs back. Trudeau said he wants to meet tomorrow. When you're the biggest guy in the first. playground and you know you're willing to fight you can just do things you can just do things to your enemy because people can be like oh you know some shit lives on Twitter are like oh you think we should be bullying our friends it's like friends they're just as zogged as we've been

they're Canada's just as jog as we've been the frigging of Mexico's last name is shine bomb. Europe. Europe is a fucking open rape zone. What friends. If anything, we're going to have to fucking bail these people out.

We're going to have to clean shit up here and then go there and do it. It's probably England and Great Britain's only friggin hope is for us to do it. Maybe Ireland too. Yeah, we're going to send the first Marine Division to liberate England.

Yeah. I mean, what the fuck? And that's what we're building upon now. Trump is not the, I mean, well, let's see what the fuck happens. Let's see how much he tears apart. He can tear apart enough that some stuff stops working and some stuff just gets delayed. And then you just have to keep pushing for the stuff, you know, that doesn't get torn down. I mean, 80 years, destroying 80 to 100 years of work is not easy.

it takes will and it takes knowing exactly how to do it. I don't know that they know exactly how to do it. They can figure it out, keep pushing it, keep talking about it on our shows, and then it's just a matter of who comes next. Or what does Trump really want his legacy to be? Because I think that's something that people forget. Is Trump, Trump wants to, his legacy is more important than anything,

at this point to him. And he does, I don't think he wants to be seen as a failure. I think he's seen, you know, when you look at his first term, I mean, you, sure, there were some successes, but for the most part, he was everything he would try to do was stopped. And he wasn't even prepared going into office. When people are like, oh, what's going to be different this time? Well, everyone who said, what's going to be different this time, you still still. saying that 14 days later?

You cowardly fucks? I mean, really, if you're out there and you're like, well, I mean, just Canadian health care. Really? Really. I mean, what kind of life are you living? I saw somebody the other day, you know, Orrin was talking about how we have to get to the point where our people are just cancel proof.

And some on, some terminally. online fuckhead goes, Orrin's talking about canceling people and he blocked me. Motherfucker, I just had Jay Otto poll on my show. You want to talk about cancellation? Like, I can't get a job in any school in the world. In the world. He's taught in seven different countries. He's canceled everywhere.

And you got blocked by someone on Twitter? Grow the fuck up. Get some free. friends in real fucking life. Do you have friends in real life or is your whole life the fucking group chat on Twitter? Grow the fuck up. I mean, how do these people run their lives? How would you buy a house?

How would you start a family? Take it from somebody who, you know, fucking took a long time to grow up. Don't fucking wait. You know, someone like Zoomer historian on Twitter, I mean, this guy's a literal Zoomer. I think he's also got like four kids. Wish I would have fucking done that. It's time. Stop fucking complaining about, stop finding the fucking negative in everything, especially

online. And go deal with your own fucking life. Go build something. have the friggin crushing weight of the government fall in on it and then complain. Stop complaining if you haven't fucking tried even tried to build something yet and you're making excuses. I'm done.

Yeah. Can you at least bench two plates? Like, let's get there first and then. Two plates, two kids. One or the other. I'm as skeptical of Trump as anybody. I've been a hard-rate thought criminal for longer than most than some of you kids have been alive. But good things are good things.

Don't let the fact that, you know, we haven't achieved TAV overnight, prevent you from like going out and living your life and doing whatever it is you need to do to be successful. I don't understand it. We have to do your daily duties no matter what. So go out and do them. Yeah, I think one of us has a hard out, and I'm pretty fucking exhausted. So I think the message we got out there just for this first 15, 14 days is good.

And then there's something I'm doing pretty soon that, After I'm done with that, I'll want to do a thought crime syndicate episode on, but not announcing what that is publicly. Yeah. I'm looking for to that. Yeah. Yeah, we can get together and talk about that. So I will give Charles this moment to push and promote anything he wants. I don't have anything to push or promote anything necessarily at this point, Pete, but I'm just going to try and make it very brief regarding your statement about.

You even try, do you ever do anything? Get out there, try and live your life. As everybody knows, much to my chagrin, I am unmarried and childless. It's not through any lack of effort on my part, but chips just never fell the way. I wanted them to, but I certainly did make the effort. I also had my career taken from me, those of you that have read my book, The Holistic Guide to Suicide, probably know a great deal about it. But if you haven't, you're welcome to purchase it and read it.

My story's in there. So I would say as somebody who has lost more than he has time to recount at this point, I can tell you that I have been in the bottom, I've been at the top, and I've been in a lot of places in between. You cannot stop moving. You cannot give up. The worst thing you can do is to give up. It truly, truly is.

That's the worst thing you can do. And I want to tell you that you are blessed listeners more than you can possibly. believe, even at your darkest moments, I assure you, and I will quote my Lord and Savior, I solemnly assure you, you are more blessed than you realize. You live in an era where the boot is beginning, maybe we aren't there yet, but the boot is beginning to be taken off our necks. I did not have that benefit for 50-some years. Peter did not have that benefit for 50-some years. You do. Make the most of it. Make the most of it. And I want to say this before I leave. With all the immigration issues happening, I am very pleased to

see it happening. I'm very pleased to see things I have been raining about for at least 27 years starting to be addressed. And I put on Twitter recently that while I am glad to see them, it is, it had started a despondency spiral in my own life and in my own mind because my life was taken from me, my career was taken from me for speaking up and saying we needed to address these. things and I've lived a life of alcoholism and penury for a very long time I'm not longer an alcoholic but that's a whole other thing but I was just brought a lot of pain that I had lost so much and now I see all these guys getting to do the job that I signed up and I wasn't allowed to do so here's the point of my long bemoaning

story here right now I want to thank everybody in the Pete Canonez telegram chat and I want to thank everybody on Twitter that responded with your thoughts and your encouragement and your prayers. I can't name names at the moment, but God bless all of you that responded and sent them. They were much, much more helpful than I could ever hope to express. So God bless you all. And as always, Pete, thank you for having me on your program.

Of course. D.E. You have something to promote of your own. Well, a show out there for traditionally mighty Catholics. And radical right types trying to fuse both those things. Fundamental principle has been launched recently by a couple of buddies my and Patrick and Jerome. They're doing good work. And I believe you made an appearance, Pete.

It was wonderful. It was a good show. And I would strongly encourage that that's kind of your interest, listeners. Please give it a shot. I believe Pete has links to it. if you go back and it's I've promoted it on my telegram channel so I'll take care of it. Yeah, thank you very much. And of course, you know, please go to, you know, free manly wall,

be on the wall slash support and, you know, kick P to Fiverr, please, you know, this is necessary work that needs to get done. And, you know, right now we don't have institutional support, God willing, Creek done right, right? Someday we will. But right now, you know, the only people who going about for you listeners are people like Pete. So please show them some support. Yeah, I can talk about all the failings in my own life and things that I didn't do. And all I can tell you is that right now, everything that I'm doing is so that those are you out there who are looking to build for the future, build families, grow families, nurture families, the work I'm doing, the work we're doing is to try to make it easier for you to do that.

So, and for your kids, kids and everything. So, yeah, that's what our goal is. That's what we, we know what the future is. We know what's most important. And that's the work we're putting in. So if you ever wonder why I do this, it's so that there can be a beautiful future a bright future, a thriving future that I will never see, that I won't be alive for.

But I think men in the past, great men of the past, always knew that they were, you know, as the cliche goes, planting trees that they would never enjoy the shade of. And I think that's what we're doing here. So thanks everyone. Thank you, gentlemen. I appreciate it. And we're back. How are you gentlemen doing?

What's going on D? Well, Pete, it's good to have you back, but I do have a very important question for you. What's that? What's it like being in a first world country? I'll answer that after I say hello to Charles. Hey, Pete. Good to have you back. Nice to see you again.

Yeah. Well, here's what I will say. I will say that I've come to the conclusion that, you know, if you, well, I've come to the conclusion that pretty much the only way that you're going to have any kind of order like that here is, it would have to be widespread, but it would also have to be extremely localized. I mean, you, a national police force here. You have six, there's 6.6 million people in El Salvador. There's what, 350 million here. I mean, we don't know how many illegals. So national police force here is probably just going to become another frigging USAID kind of bullshit program.

So I think that one thing that I was taught by going there is that even though I think six million is still too many for a, for a policy. for a proper polity. It's a lot easier to deal with than $350 million, and that it just basically tells me more and more that we need to split up and we need to break this down into pieces and that if you are going to have order, and if you're going to bring order out of what has been disorder, then you're going to have to have a fuck around and find out kind of, attitude and that's what I saw there.

The one thing that you see there is you see that there's still poverty and there's always going to be poverty because you have a certain segment of that population and a large segment is very low IQ. And, you know, there's not much you can do for them except, you know, nobles oblige. And if they're all El Salvadorians, if they're all, you know, cousins related, something, that's a lot easier to do. but the thing I saw from the richest neighborhood to the barrios that we drove through and back and forth from the airport and taken ubers and things like that is that if you're going to clean up and if you're not going to have an armed presence on the street after that and I'm talking about they have a civil guard with shotguns. These are people who, these are normally probably more like native to the land kind of people who are the civil guard.

And then you have the military, which the military to me seem more like European Spaniards. And they're walking around with M16s, fully strapped, ready to go. That's just the way order is going to have to be done. especially coming out of, we're not coming out of the era of being, you know, the murder capital of the world like they are. But there are sections of this country that none of us want to visit. So as a going forward, if you want to learn anything from El Salvador and what Buceli is doing is, I mean, there's numerous things. but I can start with, I'll talk about prisons if you want to, because I've learned a lot about the prison system down there,

which isn't just a max where they put people forever. They have another prison system there, which is doing incredible things. And not just for the prisoners, but they're actually making them work for the whole fucking country. But if you are going to have order, if you're going to, if,

if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, walk to store, walk to the store at night without worried about getting hassled, then you're going to have, we're going to have to have a different, a different approach to how we deal with things. Absolutely. That, that, this is, yes. Well, and I'll, I'm going to warn you guys ahead of time that I'm going to warn you guys ahead of time, that I'm going to try not to step on toes, but this is all very much in my

Ballywick. So forgive me if I keep jumping in very, very frequently. But yes, I co-sign everything you're saying, Pete, we have to, the entire view of both imprisonment and law enforcement in this country has to be completely re-evaluated. Since most of our ideas regarding incarceration are about 200 to 250 years old, and they just don't apply anymore. They just don't apply. anymore. It's that simple. D, please go ahead. I don't want to stomp on you.

Well, no, that's all right. You know far more about this than I do. I'll just, I'll just say that in some sociology work I did many years ago in college, right? You look into the history of prisons, and it's this, like, absolutely bad shit Quaker idea of like, we'll just make you sit in your room with no books and, like, go to your room, and I'm going to take your game, but you take your, take your Nintendo, and I'm going to give you, just copy the Bible, and you'll think about how bad a person you are and you'll feel bad and then you'll then you'll reform your life it's like not only your quakers like theological retarded in all kinds of ways right like they're they're the most smug obnoxious sort of northeastern protestant out of

everybody but also like that doesn't it barely court is sort of kind of almost worked in like rural New England or Pennsylvania. It really doesn't work with populations of red Indians and mestizos and blacks and, you know, literally everyone from all across the world in New York, right? Like, I guarantee you there's prisoners, violent criminals in New York City from at least 70 countries in New York's jails right now at least 70 that's a safe that's a safe estimate that that's a safe estimate rikers island is definitely a multicultural uh liberal or progressive multicultural paradise right i mean because you and so this this notion that we can like

well, if someone doesn't have the IQ, right? Like, I forget what the threshold is, but it's in the 90s, right, to honestly self-reflect. So if someone's, if some, some, some Negro dude who's got an IQ of 82, which is not unreasonable for that population, right? Right. It's literally not really capable of self-assessment. Setting him in a box, all that does is, like, endanger other people that are around him and maybe keep people outside safe and endanger the guards. Right. Yeah, yeah, very much in dangerous guards, absolutely.

And you have to, for someone like that, like, you need to, like, throw them in jail for talking to white women. And that's, and people will be like, that sounds like, you know, what's the, oh, the kid that got Lynch to his dad was a rapist who probably sexually assaulted. Emmett Till? You met your Evers. Emmett Till, right? Like, you know, that's the Emmett Till thing. He was killed for whistling at a white woman. yes, yeah, because that's the kind of standard you have to have to control these people of like, nope, the second you loosen up and he wasn't, you know, he wasn't, he was killed because he, like, sexually assaulted that lady.

Right. And, you know, we all know, we all know what the difference is. But the, the cultural standard that worked in Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, you know, Louisiana. for a hundred years was, boy, you don't even talk to white women. Well, again, like, just to kind of, yeah, just to kind of go into some of your points, Steve. Like, remember, like, let's just wheel it back just a little bit. You were talking about these principles didn't really work in New England or barely functioned in New England, Pennsylvania, things like that, the areas that are Pennsylvania from, from all those places.

Like, they barely functioned there. And you were 100% right. That's what I meant by these ideas. or antiquated. The goal was to put you in a cell by yourself so you could think about what you did wrong. Okay, that might, might work with guys in this chat right now and people listening to this program. And even then, I would argue that probably wouldn't work completely well because obviously if somebody messes with either of your wives, you're going to take, you're going to throw hands. You're going to do something. And there's nothing to think about. There's nothing

to regret. What are you going to regret? No. I protected my family. This is my job. I'm a husband. I'm a father. I'm a man. So, okay. So first off, we cut right through that. So if you might be fully justified in why you're in prison, so that's 50% off of your self-assessment anyway. And then even if you aren't justified, okay, guys with our IQ and the listeners, yeah, you might, you might reflect and go, okay, I did something wrong and all that. But you don't need prison to do that. You could just sit in the backseat of a squad car and you'll go, man, what I did was stupid. I can't believe I did that. I shouldn't have drank so much or I shouldn't let him get to me, whatever. You don't need prison. There's an excellent

book by a man named James Berry. He was the last executioner. It's called my, I always say, my thoughts as an executioner or something. His name is James Barry, if you look it up, and it says excellent. And he talks about how prison reform is absolutely, and the death penalty is absolutely necessary, but it needs to be reworked. Because again, you're not really applying in a way that's functioning properly. It's, it's all backwards and it's all outdated, and it doesn't, it doesn't align with how most people, to bring your point D, most people operate. It just doesn't align with the actual operations of the world. The way we do things align with, as you pointed out, you know, Quakers are already, and I'll be charitable. I won't say that they're weirdos

or lunatics, I'll just say that it'll be charitable and say they don't think like most other people. They're a very unique subset of a subset of people, a subset of a subset. So you can't apply their standards to, as you said, Pete, you know, 70 plus nationalities, ethnicities, what have you, in Rikers Island. It's just not going to work. It just doesn't work. And when we go down to the IQ, I want to say the average black in America is 85 and the average Mastizo was 87. if I'm correct. I mean, somebody in the chat, I'm sure in the audience could, could double check my numbers. But when you're dealing with an IQ, you're right about the Negroes and the,

the mestizos are like 91, I think. Okay, okay. Something like that. It's not high. It's not significantly higher. And when you add the fact, there's probably 10 times them than there are blacks and we're still in trouble. But moving forward to the point I'm making here, like these people, you can't let. them sit in a box and think about what they did. Because instead of thinking about what they did was

wrong, they'll think about how they can do it to get away with it next time. They're not reflecting on their punishment. They're reflecting on how they got caught. So that's why corporal punishment needs to come back. Again, to kind of address your point, D, about the whole, well, he was beaten for whistling at a white woman. It's like, well, because that's the only thing they understand. I can't sit them in the back of the squad car and let them think about it. It doesn't work. Again, not to be flipping, but these are the people who answer the question, but I had breakfast.

But I did eat breakfast. So how can you get them to reflect on their misdeeds? It doesn't work. You have to corporally punish them. You have to bring back the stocks. Right. Well, if they're incapable of reflecting on, like, how would they feel if they hadn't had breakfast? They're certainly not capable

of reflecting of, like, how would my life be different if I had made better choices? Right. And, you know, I'll I'll I'll tuck out here and admit some leftist stuff is true like there are you know structural problems that you know the whole individual is right wing libertarian nonsense of just like nah man like if you grow up in an environment where it's normative that uncles drink and then molest their nieces like on reservations like there's no way you're not coming up messed up out of that like I'm sorry go yeah you can't just like bootstrap your way into in into like being a functioning healthy human being. I'm sorry. Like it's just it's just not. Now the question then becomes is like how do how does the wider society deal with dysfunctional populations inside of it?

You know inside you like do you like encapsulate it and then cut it out? Do you like what do you do? Like there's this this tumor in the body politic where you know it's normative to like get really high and hurt people. or drive drunk or like you know mestizo's love love child molestation that's their like bat and driving drunk those are their two favorite you know um so yeah i know first like what do you do with those people yeah right and so like if that's the thing that they do right just just like jews and financial crime like like if those are things that they do how do you deal with that and in naibu kelly god bless him the best president in the world right now. He actually is dealing with reality in front of him. I can't remember which king it is, but, you know,

someone was like asking, I think, the Austro-Hungarian emperor, I'm probably wrong, you know, or maybe the Serbians is like, you know, why don't you act more like the king of the Swedens, the Swedes, who does this, this,

this is when my people are Swedes, I'll act like, King of the Swedes, right? Yeah. Now, Eby Kelly understands like he's the president of El Salvador. And so he needs to treat them like El Salvadorans, which is to say, like, nah, bro, you got the face tattoo, whether you're guilty or not, I'm going to treat you like you act. And you act like you murder people for fun because you got the cheer drop tattoo on your face. Now, whether you did or not, we'll leave that up to the courts to decide. But in the meantime, time, go to jail. Yeah. And I want to bring, I want to raise a point here to your, I want to raise a

point here to your, your quote about the, when I'm king of the Swedes and king of the Swedes, or I'll treat my people like their Swedes when I'm king of the Swedes. Yet, what I like to bring up in times like this is that often and frequently misquoted passage from the prince, where Machiavelli writes when in the question of whether it is better to be loved or feared everybody immediately jumps to oh it's better to be feared than love it's like well that's not actually the real quote yeah the real quote is in the question of whether it is better to be loved or feared the answer is of course it is best to be both it is best to be both so to go back to the point that you were raising there like d you're a father i'm not doxing anything about that you've made that publicly

known, if you really love your children, you're going to treat them like who they are, like who their father is, who their mother is, what they are the product of. You're not going to raise them like they're somebody else's kids. Why? Because your kids have specific needs, respond to specific things, desire certain things, and need certain concessions that other children don't. And those other children need different things than your children. It's not a matter of more racism. It's not a matter of hate. If anything, it's a matter of love. You understand the people that are in your charge, that are under your care, and you address their needs, their behaviors, and you discipline them in a way that will turn them into the best possible citizens of your

household. Does that make sense, Steve? Do you see where I'm going with that? Absolutely. And not only that, but... Hey, guys. Hey, Jose. How's it going? What's happening? We're just talking about Pete's trip to a first world country. El Salvador, yes. And in fact, this is, okay, so without getting too doxy, some of my children are more talented than others at certain academic stuff. Okay.

My expectation for the child who's really good at, say, math, is that they get an A in math. and that's the expectation. And if they don't have that, then there's consequences because I know they have the talent. And if they're not getting it, then they're just not working hard and they're being lazy. And I might have another kid who struggles with math.

And if they get a B, that's like good effort for them. Right? Yes. And if you treat every child like they're like a naturally-telling, like a naturally talented athlete who's also very smart and good looking and sociable, then you're,

you're harming those children. Because maybe they're not sociable. Maybe they're nerdy. Maybe they don't, like, you know, you're the responsible party. You have to act and treat each child differently based on what their strengths and

weaknesses are. And if you treat them all the same, right? You're going to retard the talented ones and, like, give the ones that aren't talented complexes because you're like, well, why aren't, you know, why aren't you running the 100 in, you know, 11 seconds? Well, because I'm not good enough. Like, I'm not naturally a sprinter. So why, why are you holding into this, you know, high level sprinter standard?

It's, and in a similar fashion, right? if Nebuchadilly was like in El Salvador, we're going to change the economy so that everyone is a computer engineer and we are going to make ourselves the tech hub of the 21st century. People would be like, are you high? You're dealing with El Salvadorans, man.

Like, they're not going to do that. Right, right. And expecting them to do that is stupid. Now, maybe you're going to. And one thing I will say is, is that it's more, you can talk about that easier down there amongst, as long as you're not near the academic class. Because, yeah, I went to a museum and I got to hear from some young, young kid who spoke perfect English work at the museum, yada yada, would explain exhibits to you and everything, you know, about, oh, the, the the poor unfortunate innocent souls they got um you know swept up in these i mean it's no one is that you're shit lives that we have here who would scream no no everyone can be an

astronaut everyone can be a rocket scientist everyone could be you're just he's not going to listen to that and the the culture there is leaning towards, yeah, we're not going to listen to that. We're not going to get out of what we were and get to be, you know, a country that people actually want to come to or businesses want to come to whatever they want to do. Hopefully they don't turn out like Ireland did. You're going to have to, you're going to have to squash that shit when people start saying it. Because that's the kind of shit they'll say here.

Yeah. Well, and not only that, but like to talk about. something, you know, we all four of us participated in the, um, race born high school series. Right. How, how messed up is American education? Because we just can't admit that not everyone is supposed to go to college. Right. You know, in, in El Salvador, they'll be like, look, man, you hate school.

Like, yes, I hate school. You love working on engines. Like, yes, I love working on engines. Okay. Can you balance your checkbook? Yeah. I can. Can you do enough basic math to, like, how care the gear ratios you need to for your,

for, you know, messing around with engines? Yes, I can. Can you write a coherent sentence? Can you write, you know, write well enough to conduct daily business? Yes, I can. All right. Here's an apprenticeship or, you know, working on engines. Go work at the garage. They'll pay you and you'll get, you know, high school credits for that. I don't know if they're doing that in El Salvador, but that's the sort of thing that they should be doing. You know where they did that?

Germany. Germany, pressure. Yeah. Yeah. And then they tried to export that over here and why wasn't that going to work here? Because you don't have a coherent culture where people are going to be like, yeah, I want to work to make the country better. No, I want, we've been so, we've been so hyper brainwashed by individualism. no, I need to be a scientist.

I need to be rich. I need to be a lawyer. I need to be a doctor. Well, no. I mean, that's what a coherent culture does. Well, that's true, but also in the United States, right? The second, I mean, we tend to forget this. But, you know, in 1957, the United States actually cared what the global, because of the Cold War, the, you know, racial diversity in America was a stick to beat America.

with. And if we'd actually done the Prussian education thing and didn't be like, look, you know, 95%, I think you mentioned this on, um, uh, Jason's show, Charles. Everyone should go check that out. Our friend Jason Marinich had had Charles on. It was a really good episode. Um, like four percent or less of, of the, uh, black people would be in medical school that are presently in medical school or something like that. It's, it's, it's less than 10% for sure. Right. Oh, I heard a number on a podcast. It was, it might have been Scott Adams was talking about it, where he was saying that if, if it was purely on merit, 0.0. It's 0.5% of the medical school of people accepted to medical school in this country would be black. Okay. That might have been something I heard from you, Pete. Sorry.

Excuse me. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's an insane number that, you know, it's like you hear it and you cringe. You're like, holy shit. Yeah. Well, and that's, that's probably accurate. To step back to your point, Pete, your point, Pete, about the whole, well, I want to be a lawyer. I want to be a scientist.

I kind of, I kind of think you're actually even being charitable with that. Because as I talked, as I spoke with millennial woes for millennial, I mentioned, I mentioned that. America had devolved due to, it's probably due to its Mollock worshipping small segment of its population that just got focused hyper, they turned individualism into just hyper greed. And it says, everybody wants to be rich. I want to be an influencer. I want to be wealthy. I want to be rich. I would actually kind of prefer if they just wanted to be lawyers or scientists because, hey, I want to help people or, hey, I want to cure the sick. Or I want to, I want to, I want to help people from losing their homes against, you know, the abuses of imminent domain laws or corporate,

rapine corporate culture. But no, it's not. It's just, I want to be rich. I want to be rich. I want to be rich. It's all about me. It's going from the land of the free home of the brave to the land of the me, home of the slave. And it's just tiresome.

It's all tiresome. So, yeah, I agree with your point. I just wish it was even as altruistic as what you painted. as. I sadly think it's even bleaker than that. Jose, I was saying that I started off talking about how, you know, obviously in the poorer neighborhoods and the barrios, which was really MS-13's stomping ground where they were just shaking down businesses and things like that. You know, now they have armed, they have armed security, they have civil guard, and they have military, but not just there. It's everywhere. It's like, I mean, it's a show of force.

It's a fuck around and find out. Look what we accomplished. Look what it took to accomplish this. And we're not going to let this ever happen again. So that's sort of how we got off on this. Yeah. I'm fascinated by the case of El Salvador. It was to show that if you actually have the right type of leadership,

you can make things happen even in a country that is as like demographically and historically and historically wretched as el salvador has been that you can make concrete progress on that i wanted to also double down on one point that charles made i agree that now things have evolved in western societies where people's aspirations are just to become like social media influencers and other people that just accumulate social media clout as opposed to providing productive goods and services for a society, much less trying to make society prosperous and for current and future generations. It's just pure service for Mammon and accumulating social media likes and dopamine hits. Yeah, the...

Where was I going to go with that? Well, what I was going to do is I wanted it to transition to talking about the, you know, basically what society would become in the absence of these people to what you do with these people. Because, you know, it's not only the fact that Bukkelly was, you know, just had the will to do all this, had the will to defy the judges and had the will. to basically take the military into courts and be like, I'm in charge. I'm sorry. We're doing this and there's nothing you can do about it. It's also the fact that he had to have someplace to put these people. And, you know, it goes beyond the prison that he set up the Seacot prison, which is, you know, you're never going to see at the outside again.

You know, that's the maximum security where he put the absolute worst of the worst. He's actually set up a prison system outside of that with the people who aren't, you know, don't deserve life in prison or really what we know what they really deserve, where they have to, they're rebuilding the country. And they're not only rebuilding the country. He's kind of forcing them to rebuild themselves. Because, you know, a lot of these people who are in there, not all of them are gangsters and career criminals.

A lot of them are professionals who fell into some shit because that happens. It happens in every society that has where, you know, there's organized crime and there's crime and there's money to be made in a black market or whatever. So, yeah, I mean, I think that's another conversation we have to have because our prison systems are bullshit. I mean, it's Alabama and Mississippi have the worst. I mean, there's half these people. probably shouldn't even be in prison.

And the ones that are in there shouldn't be anywhere. You're mixing people who don't belong together. And also, you have a fucking workforce that could be rebuilding certain things, not just picking trash up off the friggin' side of the road. Yeah, there's a lot of the American system. Yes, it is.

The American community of the American system, right? And because we, because we have this insane devotion to equality and a few other issues, right? We have no, we can't be realistic about the sociopathic crime problem we have, where we have, you know, this dedicated, you know, this small group of just animals, really, that shouldn't even really be in prison. They should, they, you know, they should have been, you know, you light a, you light a nun on fire. You shouldn't be in jail for 30 years.

you should just be, you know, given your last rights and from neck till dead, right? But we have that problem. And then we have the guy who couldn't meet his child support because there's no place in the economy for a guy who's, you know, fundamentally decent but kind of stupid.

Right. And we have a lot of those people. Of all different types. Now we have more of those people because of the racial makeup of the United States of America. But, you know, like, what are you going to do? We criminalize not being wealthy, right?

You can't pay your taxes, so we're just going to throw you in jail. And you're in the same jail as, you know, guy who lit none on fire. And we can't make the distinction between a guy who missed his child support payments because there's no jobs available for a guy with a, you know, 93 IQ with a drinking problem. And a guy who... I would say that we can make a distinction. just don't want to and we're not allowed to because we're going to point out maybe certain demographic differences. We don't want to point that out because that would be mean. That would be

mustache man. But to still move on with your point, still go alongside your point there. One of the things that drives me crazy about the understanding of criminal justice is people think the death penalty is for vengeance. It's not for vengeance. At least that's not what it should be for. And they forget about really what its purpose is. And that is to clean the gene pool. You're throwing chlorine in the gene pool and to clear these people out. Like we all have to remember that one of the reasons European society became more peaceful is because we killed a whole bunch of our own that were problems. Like you said, Dee, we hung them by the neck till dead. What did they do in the earthquake in Lisbon in the 16th century? What did they do to looters, Dee? What'd the king say? He said, hang them all in the

hillside so you can see everybody. So we can know what you're not allowed. to do. It's not really about vengeance. I would argue it's not even really about justice. It's about clean the gene pool so we don't have this problem any longer. But you're not allowed to talk like that. That's eugenicist. That's mustache man. So now we throw everybody in the same rape cage, which by the way, is an interesting point of American criminal justice history. Do you know why organizations like the Aryan Brotherhood and white nationalism became a big thing in prison? Would you care? Any of you care to guess why that became a big? big thing in prison. Oh, I know exactly why. Go ahead. Because it was the only way for them not to get

beaten to death. Yeah, it was the only way for the white guys to get extorted, beaten to death, or sexually assaulted. To survive non-death penalty sentences. Yes. Yes, because any sentence was becoming in the 60s and 70s effectively a death sentence. Whether it was given by the courts or not was irrelevant. The other inmates of color were going to kill them. So therein was founded the Aryan Brotherhood and a lot of other the white Nationalist prison gangs. So yeah, we just throw these people in the same rape cage

and say, oh, okay. Oh, and also, while you're being raped, think about what you did wrong. It's just, it's pure insanity. And by the way, the name of the book, I just remember. It's my experience as an executioner by James Barry. Also, I highly recommend the book, the truth about lynching in the South. Both of those books are public domain and you can find them with an easy Internet search.

Please, Jose, it looked like you were going to jump in by all means. Well, let me just add something real quick, Jose. And not only the public is taught to joke about men being raped by other men. It's a punchline. Yeah. And I don't mean to minimize it. Thank you, Pete, for saying that. I really don't mean to diminish it.

Thank you. That was not meant to be a punchline for me. And I appreciate you saying that. Thank you. Because it was not at all meant to be a punchline. It really wasn't. It was meant to say, look at how awful this is and we still expect you. Okay, yeah, okay.

But I do appreciate it. Yeah. We know that. No, this is to say, yeah. Okay. Continue, please. I'm sorry. I, oh, a few years ago,

I used to watch some of these prison channels on YouTube. and what I gathered from a lot of that was that the whole prison system in many ways for was almost like kind of like a now has like degenerated into like a reward for a lot of these like dysfunctional criminals because they can just like go

commit any type of like act of violence and then go like straight into like a prison where there's already like a racial hierarchy where they'll just like thrive in and then like take it out on like other like other like white prisoners and then like if they get released sometimes they get so used to the prison system that they like instantly commit a crime to skip back in it kind of like doesn't serve

a purpose like um i actually agree with charles that the death penalty really is a genetic cleansing mechanism that should be used a lot more and that's why i like i say like more more mass executions as opposed to mass incarceration um and also the the racial aspect of the prison system is very instructive because it's the most extreme form of to demonstrate like the dangers of like multiracialism like it it just goes to show like you have to like band together or you will die and unfortunately that reality of the prison system it's becoming increasingly the reality of the open air prison that is multiracial USA these days Let me do this.

And I know that this could be... Just one thing real quick. If people are interested in the theoretical justifications for the death penalty, I can highly recommend philosopher, Professor Edward Faser, F-E-S-E-R, Edward Faser's book, By Blood, Shall His Man Be Shed? It's a comprehensive view of the philosophical underpinnings of the death penalty. And I can just say that it's not only is it 100% justified, it's, I think, obligatory. Let me share this.

And I'll, I'm going to share screen. And I'll preface this by saying, yes, this is a white kid who was allowed to basically go into the El Salvadorian prisons and do a quick documentary. And it could look like a Potemkin village. It could look like propaganda, which it probably is. But it also gives you an idea of exactly that. But Buceli is not only about, okay, we need to clean up the streets. No, we need to rebuild this country. And what we have a frigging workforce that's available to rebuild it.

So let me share this with you guys. And I think that you will, you know, we'll play it a little bit and you can tell me to stop whenever. All right. So let me one second here. All right. I'm going to start this and just get the idea right off the jump. This was an El Salvador prison, and this is one now. How does a prison go from being gained control to now a prison where the prisoners themselves are helping to rebuild the country of El Salvador? The day I am picking you inside of the world's most unconventional and most productive prison in the entire world.

Some of these prisoners who will meet inside of this video will become future engineers, construction workers, carpenters, farmers. These prisoners are quite literally helping to build a better El Salvador. This is all because the president, Naïie Haleighi's plan called Plan, Serra, which translates to plan of no leisure. Where prisoners are typically locked away inside of a prison cell serving their time, the prisoners here in El Salvador are working 24-7 to help build a better El Salvador.

El Salvador has gone through a... Obviously, I sped up the video just for anybody who's wondering. And actually, he makes a great point that the president has... Go ahead, Dee. Go ahead, Charles. Well, the president... President Buckele said in one of his addresses, like last year,

should people who's the average El Salvador and whose meals are tortillas and rice and beans, why should they pay for prisoners to have meat? Yeah. And, you know, mercy to the guilty is injustice to the innocent. And the idea that we should have this huge population of people who are idle and consuming nothing or doing nothing but sitting in their prison cells is ridiculous. Like, they should work. Well, also kind of goes back to your point earlier regarding there, you know, there are people in there that are just in there because of, you know, didn't pay child support or whatever, things like that. Now, maybe not this specific prison per se, but I'm talking about the overarching plan of no leisure to use his and also to use Pete's point earlier that some people, you know, are in there because they just got caught up in things. And it's a very corrupt society that was getting cleaned up and they got drawn in. But now you're actually giving them. something to do. Remember, the idle hands are the devil's workshop. So it's, you're giving these people

something to do and you're giving them something to work towards. If you just throw them, and again, I don't say this flippantly. If you just throw them in a rape cage, what are you giving them? What are you giving them? What kind of hope are you giving them? What, what goal are you giving them to progress towards? Now, perhaps I may be being a bit optimistic here. I'm not saying all of these men are going to turn into engineers and world-class scientists, but I don't see, I don't see it as an unreasonable expectation or a, or a pie in the sky hope that a lot of these men just find meaning in life again and just find meaning in work again. Because again, that's, that's man's curse to toil to work. And without it, he self-destructs. So I think his idea of plan of no leisure is great.

And it's also, and I'll close with this and let it get back to the video very briefly, it's if you're going to want, if you want your population to work, then you can tell, then the best way to do it is what he's doing, which is to say, you can either get up on your own, put your shoes on, kiss your wife, goodbye, go to work, get paid, get benefits, come home, have dinner, watch TV and go to bed. Or you can stay in a cage with everybody here and get up when we tell you to get up, do what we tell you to do, go to bed when we tell you to go to bed. bed and watch TV. But either way, you're going to be, you're going to be working. You can choose

how you want to work or we're going to choose. That's your options, but you're not getting out of work either way. That's my piece. Dangerous country in the world to now the safest country in the Western Hemisphere. I'm going to show you guys a large reason why we'll be starting off this video going inside of this prison here and then we'll be going to another prison where nobody has ever actually gone into before I will be the first person to ever receive access to go to where we're going today. Make sure you guys get this video like and subscribe the channel. We're on a mission to get the 500,000 subscribers as of right now. And now let's go inside of the prison. Here we go. Let's do this. We entered into the first of the two prisons we'll be going inside for this video. Throughout the

video, the intensity and the production of the prisons will increase as our phases to the prison here and be ready for some things you would never expect to see inside of a prison. Now it was time to go meet the warden who will be guiding us throughout the first prison, La Esperanza. And what's it like in here? Here, the day-a-day is in the different talliers that we have in the center penal and

learn, learn, learn, learn, things new, things that are when they're when they're in freedom, to be able to

do this prison. What's the difference between the prisoners inside of this prison versus the prisoners that are inside Seco? The difference is

that what we have been internos or have been collaborators of the form obligated by the pandillas. No, we

have pandierers here, all the panduero active were taken from this central penal and led those If you do not know what Sechot is, it is a maximum security prison here in El Salvador,

where the most dangerous gangsters go to live the rest of their lives without ever seeing the light of sun again. However, in this prison, it is completely different. And so what kind of crime did someone have to commit to be inside of one of these prisons? Here we have to do things. But the most common are the violations, robos, stafas, this type of delitos is the most common here. And how long can somebody be in one of these prisons for? For how long the time is the maximum time that one can be here?

There are internos that are for more of 100 years. Everybody you are seen inside this video that are not, police officers or have a camera inside their hand are all prisoners that are then being put to work. Plan Cerrocio literally means plan of no leisure. These prisoners are being put to work 24-7 if they are not eating or sleeping. They're either studying or working here inside El Salvador. So they're prisoners. They're some...

They're also private-de-libertat, too. They're saying about construction and right now are repairing what is the piece of the parker. And how many people are here inside this prison? And because these prisoners are always occupied, we entered into the first classroom where they were learning about medical procedures. We have one classroom right here, right next door. There's another classroom. from Aswell, and these guys are also learning.

So there is literally no leisure inside of the president. No, no, no, we don't have to be occupied in some activity. What's the youngest person and what's the oldest person inside of the together? We're from the 159 years? Who's the professors? Who's the same?

They're the same intern, but are medical or are having formation related. Even the teachers that are teaching these classes are also prisoners that were once somehow educated enough inside of the field that they're currently teaching it to teach an entire classroom. So this prison is becoming completely auto-sufficient in how they teach,

how they learn, and how they're able to go about their business here with everything that they do. Right here, they're doing a practice here. You can see they have a person on a stretcher. They're doing a practice, so that way these people are learning how to become medics as needed eventually. One, two, three. And right now they're undergoing practice.

For example, right now, this is a CPR practice they are doing. And they have even gangman style on the back right now. One, two, three, four, five. Is that safe? Yeah, yeah. Right now they're doing a medical course, and so that was part of their practice with a CPR test. I think everybody passed. All right, sure.

Of course, that is the objective. Ensignarles to save lives and preventing lesions. And before you were here inside of this prison, were you also in the medical field? Yes, we're both of our medics, we've been three medics, infermeros, a carg of the program of promoters of the cellul. And how long have you been inside of this job for? Two years, with two months. Six years.

Six years. Okay, you saw? Droga. And now inside of this classroom, they're learning about chemistry here. Inside of each classroom, there's a biometric thing here that scans each person as they walk into the classroom to make sure they're authorized to come in, and they're not missing any classes. They even keep traveling.

Who comes to the last year who doesn't, there's absolutely no ditching here inside the prison. And what was it like here inside El Salvador and in the prison systems here in El Salvador before Naid Qaeda became president? Before, in this center penal, what you saw in these murals, graffiti, graffities, graffiti. It was a, a traffic of illegal. Traficed drugs, trafficked objects prohibited in the center penal. There were bands that were in here, here in the complex, the control, the vent of drugs. In this center penal, there were much massacres. because the CIA needed its funding.

So, of course. The CIA needed its funding. So of course, the CIA needed its funding, you know. So, of course, there were drugs smuggled, right? But it's something worth talking about here just briefly, right? And in this, there's a lot to be disappointed with Trump. He's, you know. But I guarantee you, guarantee you that there were,

American NGOs imposing that sort of liberal, um, Quaker, you know, American prison system type stuff on El Salvador. I guarantee it that, that, that the, you know, uh, open society foundation or whatever you want to say,

like was, was helping make the prisons in El Salvador the way they are. And, or the way they are. were and it's the rejection of that that is leading to success. You know, one of the things that Buckelly is doing is getting rid of all the NGOs in his country. Well, you know, who, you know, democracy advocates are the ones who are like, well, your prisons are cruel.

Well, maybe. Maybe people who commit crimes don't deserve leisure. Maybe people who are, you know, murderers don't deserve, like, just chill on the taxpayer died. So I guarantee you that the reason, part of the reason that the prisons were so dysfunctional prayer to President Buckele is that

American money which is to say Jews in America wanted that, you know, wanted that place to be dysfunctional because it's easier to exploit if it's dysfunctional. Once a prisoner has proven himself and passed various exams and evaluations

they are then moved to the prison called Lagranha, They are then called a person of confidence. Inside of this prison, the prisoners are able to work without as tight security, and they help produce all the food for the prison systems here in El Salvador. They even have farm life, and this is home to the new controversial fabric factory that I will be going into very, very soon. I met with the warden to get a full tour. What's the difference between this prison and the prison we were just at in La Speranza?

Ferenza is the center of apprenticeship, and this is where the center of of apprenticeship, and this is where the activities that are learned, so essentially this is where someone goes after they graduate from that last prison where we were just at right? This is the other than a requisite and criteria for to be in before you are then sent into public. This is where is where they're executing the works that are doing to learn to be able to do this

when they're heading into the industrial kitchen here where they make over 20,000 meals a day for the prisoners inside of El Salvador. Before taking the food into the factory, they harvest it all and fields outside and then they then take it inside and this is where they provide all the food for all the prisoners across El Salvador.

So here is one of the fresh-made meals here. They have the beans, rice, and some tortillas in there. You're one of the chefs here. Yeah. On a scale 1 in 10, how would you rate the quality of the food here? This is a level like 10 to... And how much longer do you have here inside of this show? You found how much of you're sitting here here in this car set?

It's yours. What time do you commit? Take people to delico their steady so. Ah, I don't know traffic a drova. And the precision these guys are even just cutting these tomatoes with is actually insane. That guy over there got it's super, super organized. And these guys are just cutting nonstop tomatoes. I don't know how many hours they do this today, but they're going at it right now.

And none of them are even stopping. Can you stop preparing? Wow, it's a lot of the How many hours are you here every day? And how many hours a day do you guys sleep? For how many hours a day do you sleep? And not you have access to cellular,

a Facebook or something? No, no, nothing of that. And what do you do to have fun? We have the sport and also, we've been for hours, that are debilantly censored and revised by the

team technical. Right here, they're making the cookies and then right here they're making the tortillas for the food. So fascinating here, because everything is so streamlined and done so quickly here. Everybody moves from one spot to the next, one spot to the next, one spot to the next,

and there's no time for anything to be wasted. And everything that does get put to waste is then put back into the machine. There's no waste here inside of this prison. How many hours all day are you doing? Eight hours, when we're not going to work. What did you do to get here? Quote a robo grabado. How many years received you for that?

13 years. I've been time to enter into the new massive megafactory here inside of this prison. And this building is absolutely massive. Just look at this. We are the first people ever to receive access to where we're at right now. This is a new building that built here inside of the prison where you can see there are thousands upon a thousand of people that are working on fabrics here.

These same clothes are going to use for schools, for the prisoners' outfits. Any outfit for the government will be made here inside of this room right here. How many people are here working inside right now? We have around 2,200 people. And what are they working on? They're working on. They're working on what they're doing the uniforms, as well as well as private, of liberty, also

the programs that are that's all the solicitutes. So the Cozlinic here will be used for the prisoners, but it'll also be used for hospitals, schools, and other projects as well. This will be a maquilla national. Here's going to execute

the elaboration of the uniform, of the tantos of private of liberty, the Ministry of Education, the uniforms, right? So, it's going to be made also for the other institutions that are required, right? Here inside of this prison,

what are we seeing right now? Here, we're in the area textile, here, all the companyers have been totally null to this place. I mean, I didn't even

enabra a machine. In this place, it's the way for those who are listening

to this, it is literally thousands of people sewing. I mean, I'm not, am I exaggerating by saying thousands?

I don't think so. No, it looks like there's at least 1,500. 2,000. Yeah, I'd say,

I'd say it looks very much like that. About 2,000 people. It's massive. I just want to say something, too, regarding to be paused, regarding the food. I think it's interesting that they probably eat better than most Americans outside of prison because everything's grown on the farm. It's not a bunch of highly processed slop.

It's not, again, not to try and buy too heavily into the propaganda, but I mean, like, you can just look at it. Look at it. You can see the farm animals. You can see the, you can see the vegetables. It's like, and it's all in-house. It's not just a bunch of carted in highly processed garbage. So you wonder if that's, you have to think that that's going to have a positive impact on their outlook and on their, their hopefulness, their progress, their personal and mental, physical and spiritual progress, just because they're eating better food.

And also, one thing I want to point out, in case the audience is unaware, like prisons are tremendously profit generating for a lot of outside content. contractors. And that's why they want people in them. That's why they want to fill them because they make tons of money off of it. You ask somebody how much it costs to mail a letter outside of prison, how much they get charged for an envelope, how much they get charged for paper. They don't want prisons but making their own stuff, making their own uniforms, making their own food. That's tons and tons of money to contractors to sell very low quality goods at very high prices. Yep, and one of the biggest unions in the state of California is the correction officers union. So we have that vector.

But just to speak to the clothes thing real quick, and E. Michael Jones talked about this recently. Every nation that industrialized did so by first making their own clothes because everyone needs clothes. And they're relatively simple. So just like NAFTA destroyed Central Wahawken farmers, right? Their corn couldn't compete with IMO corn. A lot of these South and Central American nations can't industrialize because they can't complete

with the millions of T-shirts that were going to the last year's Super Bowl loser that they print up 100,000, you know, Chiefs versus 100,000 Eagles and, you know, all the, you know, Chiefs Super Bowl champions of this past year, T-shirts get sold or given to people in Africa and Central America. So not only are these guys learning useful trade, but they're actually helping industrialize their own country. You got anything, Jose? One point, D.E. raised about, um, the NGOs reminded me as well

in respect to, I think, Japan's prison system, which is actually really similar to the solid Joran model, which is heavily focused on work. In fact, apart from like the time served, if I am not mistaken that you have to serve in

the Japanese prison system, you are expected to pay off like a certain monetary debt. And to do so, you actually have to get a type of skill in there. And a lot of these NGOs really do hate the idea of like hard labor. They prefer the status quo model or at least like even something that turns prison system into just like some leisurely lounge to just encourage people almost to get in the prison. And it creates the cycle of like rent seeking groups at profit off of this. While the criminals that get out, they're allowed to just continue to re-cavick and, in effect, create this society-wide strategy of tension. And it is, in my opinion,

pretty insidious the way the current system is designed. And that's why any type of country, whether it's El Salvador or some East Asian disciplinarian, like East Asian country that tries to break free from the model, it gets demonized because it is a, threat to the present system. All right, going to restart this and keep it going because there's some more really good stuff in here. A machine, to produce a product complete. We'll be used for...

We've worked totally for the president for the government. We've produced also a uniform of the force armada, of the agents penitentiaries, so all the ram on what they have to be, we're going to start to the project of the uniforms for all the schools of the country, of all the schools of the country. But we have the capacity to be able to compete

with any industry, So how many clothes a day are you guys currently making? How does the job are you guys currently making? How does they're doing approximately we're taking from 6,000 to 8,000 pieces diaries. Depend the type of production that's being essentially here

with all the workforce you guys have here, you guys are going to compete with anybody outside of El Salvador? Yeah, the area textile that has the capacity for 2,100 people for 3 turns of 8 hours every turn. So we're in total 6,300

people who are just listening. 2100 people, working at the same time working three eight hours shifts a day. So basically they have 6,300 people and working every day, working eight hours shifts, making clothes for the country. Could you imagine that efficiency here? I can imagine it. hours of the villa. And if we've taken productions totally strong, like to say

that we have the capacity to compete with a company out of there. So every single day, 24-7, there are 2,000 people that are working on clothes here inside of this factory. 24-7, we're working. Wow. So they're making the government official shirts here inside here. Like I'm saying, they can compete with anybody from outside here. This is helping us out of our saves thousands

upon thousands, potentially millions of dollars as these prisoners are being put to use versus them just spending time inside of a prison cell. And how much longer do you have in your sentence? In my part, I've over four years. And if you guys don't mind me asking, what kind of crime do you guys commit to get inside of the prison? Napa. Dapha, you said?

Rugo. Kere that your time here is justici-dicada? The fact that you guys have made here inside of this factory. Here we have all the shirts. And these shirts, they are the same shirt that these people are also wearing as well. So by doing this, El Salvador helps cut down the cost of stuff. They usually have to export outside of the prison system and said they have brought it into the prison system. Making taxpayers here in El Salvador not have to pay for the clothes of the prisoners.

And all of these prisoners, every single day they work here inside this factory, two days is taken off of their sentence. So that means if they're supposed to serve four years, they can technically serve only two years if they work inside this factory every single day, helping reduce the time of these people's sentences and also helping build up the country as well. And so right now there are 2,000 people. However, they have three shifts of 2,000 people. So 24-7, this factory is running each and every single day with over 6,000 prisoners working inside of this factory. Over here, they're making the clothes, and then right here, they're building a different set of clothes as well. so they can do hospital, schools, the prison clothes themselves here inside this factory,

and it is absolutely massive here. Over 2,000 people, each person is working hard. You do not see any cell phones in here. In fact, the cell service here is completely blocked, and these prisoners have no access to the outside world as far as internet goes. If you are on a shift for eight hours, and then the next shift comes in 24-7, this place is operating. I have never seen anything like this, and it's actually pretty insane to think that here and El Salvador, they're now using the prisoners to help rebuild the economy, expedite things.

So this way they're going to have to be importing clothes from a country like, China or the United States said they can be doing it right here in-house inside El Salvador using the prisoners essentially for free labor here as they are then given two days off of their prison sentence. What price would you put on your life for an extra free two days of liberty? Imagine your sentence for 10 years. By working in here, you can then reduce your sentence such as five years to be with your loved ones once again and you learn a new skill as well. We're going to another location here in Tadis prison to where they make all of the desks for the schools here. Los Carcells always were like very grandes, like.

No, that is part of the new system implemented by the president of Najibu Kelle. They're complex. This is a complex industrial. What are they building right here? What are they building right here? Here's about a million pupitres all day. And how long have you been working in here? Four years. What kind of crime did you commit to get sent here?

I have rubber. Simple robbery. And how many years did you get? I have eight years. What do you hope to do once you finish your time here inside this prison? I want to study and in the university. These are all the desks they're currently building for the schools here. Every single day, they build a thousand desks.

And then these are the finished products right here. They even have really nice chairs as well. And then here is the finished product of the school desk that they build for each school here. in El Salvador, they're building over a thousand a day. Are you ever worried that you're going to make too many desks that you're not going to have classrooms to fill them with? Yeah, it's not going to have construction of schools.

And the schools have to pay for a month or other? Nothing. All right. After spending time inside of the factories, it was time to go outside and understand why they call this place La Granha, the farm. I am honestly quite amazed at what I'm seeing right now. They even have their own farms, even with their own lake out here. Do you pescada here?

Yeah, here are, so there's cranes. And how many pieces are? For every per seattle. Now he's going to throw the net out. We're going to catch some fish. Listo, vamos. Boom, let's catch some fish. Here we go.

Holy cow. We caught a lot of fish. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. We just got ten fish here inside this little lake, inside this little reservoir here. I am beyond amazed at what I'm seeing here in El Salvador. Between the factory they've just made to the fish here and the reservoirs that they have created out here as well. And then behind us, we also have the field where they have all the vegetables and all the other food. Now, these are the bigger fish here that I put inside of these pools right here.

Oh, oh my word. Look at these ones. Holy. No, can't say. Oh, look at this fish that they're grown here inside. This fish is ginormous. Hello, myig. What's how?

You like, Naib? You say, you say, yes. Here at this prison, you guys have literally everything from people that know how to bake, people that know how to sew, and people that know how to fish here. Tien do you have a cornfield? And what do you guys use the corn for? To alimentary the vackas that we have. We've now made it to the farming section here in the prison.

We got a bunch of cows behind us. How many cows do you have here? Around 70 vases. And you guys are there? Is correct. There's a process of ordaino that's a process of ordean that's all day.

And were you a farmer before you got here? You were a grand herero before that came here? Before to come to prison, I had my own hospital veterinarian. And how much more time do you have? Four years. No way.

Look at all these cows they have here inside of this prison. They're all just munching. When you committed your crime and you're taking a jail, did you ever expect your life to be like this inside of a prison? The fact, no, because it's very different to be in the different types of prisons that

there in Salvador. For example, this is a center industrial. Here, there are many jobs to do. In change, before you can come here, where you receive the programs, it's a prison conventional. As far as, as well, as you see, as the film, the rejas, the camarote, is different. So, then, never thought, in prison, you could have to be able to do this? It's very impressive if you guys were going to do this.

Do you think other countries across the world were starting to follow, the example, that El Salvador and that you can have set? That's not that is an example for that you take in mind that the person, independently, the error that have committed to come to come here, can redeeming and serve to the society

to come here. I've got a play. And you believe that's just a while? The fact is my point of view. They're going to show us how they milk the cows here as well. I've never melted a cow before, so we're going to give a little... They can't.

You can't be in the state of the privates. They're also. They're not in the same world. They're not in this oprimed. There's no fat inmates as well. Nobody is a gorgeous. You said, oh, and look, there's a machete just here on the ground. Wow.

That's what he's normal because they're trying with the camp. We just found a machete on the ground. He says they don't even worry because they have so much trust in the inmates. And these are even numbered to the inmates as well. Now, I think I'm about to ride a horse. Never ridden a horse in my entire life. And we're doing it here with some inmates here in El Salvador.

Here we go. Whoa. Okay. Okay. First time, not good. We're going to do that again. Take two. Oh, here we go. That's pretty much it.

The rest of this is him just enjoying the animals. So, yeah, go ahead, discuss. I mean, here's something I'll throw out there. I think Naibu Kelly is a very intelligent man. And I think there are a lot of very intelligent people in El Salvador. I also don't think that anyone just inside of El Salvador is responsible for planning all of this. So I'm wondering who may have been in on this because I think they had help in their design. Maybe I'm wrong.

I think it's perfectly reasonable. Go ahead, Deke. Well, as we've seen, right, there's a global left network that the USAID stuff has just sort of top surface talked about. And in fact, you know, one of the things I've complained about the most and on this show and others is, is the fact that we don't have such a network. But winners win. And one of the things that somebody, you know, Victor Orban is trying to set up this sort of network. I think he's probably got some of the wrong people, you know, the Danube Institute or whatever. But they're at least trying.

And I think Neebuck Kelly is smarter to know that he's not the only one with good ideas. And that he probably brought in other people with good ideas. You know, that's not out of the realm of possibility. He's obviously a very cany politician, just as the story of how he got elected mayor and then how he was like the president proved that he's a smooth and shrewd political operator. Why is it impossible to think that he has a rolodex of people who aren't, you know, civilizational hostile? Like, of course he probably did. No one can know everything. so why wouldn't he well my i guess one of the things when i see something like this i think is um is

this a test for other places is it like okay how is this going to work and are we going to see this multiply and as well as this is running really the only thing that you can see holding it back from happening in other countries and being adopted even here by our individual states or counties or cities is that entrenched bureaucracy and that entrenched corruption. And I mean, I don't know if there's, I'm assuming, I have to assume, just because of human nature, that somebody is profiting from what's happening there, but also if things can run like that there and some kind of graft is happening,

it's still a better model than what most countries are doing right now. Yeah, I think to kind of combine the two points, I think you're both right. I think somebody has their hand in it, Pete, and I also think D's right in that Naib has a roll of decks of guys that know stuff. I would not be surprised, and obviously I couldn't speak with any certainty,

but I would not be even slightly surprised to learn that Naïde Buceli and his rolodex had a bunch of guys that have been trying to push this plan for 25 years, 30 years, minimum 15 years. It's too well thought out to be recent. It's probably been been challenged. and rechecked and triple checked and quadruple check. So I have a feeling that this is a model that some company, some organization somewhere, has been shopping around in America and Europe and all over the world for more than a

decade. I'd be willing to bet. I'd bet a kidney on that, in fact. And it just so happens that they finally found a winner in Buckele who said, you know what? I got to do something with these people and your plan's the best one I've seen so far. you get the contract. And it just so happens that. I guarantee you.

Because remember, just because, I mean, I guarantee you. Let's not fall into cynicism. Let's not fall into cynicism. People can still make money and do good for humanity. You can do both. You can make a doctor's salary and actually care about your patients. So, yeah,

I absolutely believe somebody's been shopping this around in hopes to make millions of dollars on a government contract. Does that automatically make them scammers or corrupt? No, not at all. It doesn't know. You can earn your paycheck, honestly. Go ahead, Dee. No, I guarantee you someone in Buckelis government got him a copy of France List.

Guaranteed. Because what do you do when you're a poor country? You do as much autarky as you can. You don't have the resources to spend money outside. Like for a long time, El Salvador's biggest export was El Salvadorans. And that's never, you can't get rich that way. You can't get prosperous that way. You can't, you can't build a decent, stable country when you export all your young men.

You know, there are entire villages in Mexico that have moved to the United States. Like, how is that good for Mexico? You can say cynically, like, they're exploiting their, you know, their stupid population or their, surplus population or whatever, but over the long term, you know, that's not a, to the extent that they do anything good, they're going to be doing it for somebody else in another country. It's not good for Mexico or anywhere else. So look at all that autarky, right? Instead of, instead of having to, you know, go to a factory somewhere else and import school desks from Mexico or the United States or Argentina or wherever, they're building them there.

And now there's people who have, you know, skills and fabrication that they can take to the outside world. And they have, you know, the children of El Salvador have functional schools with the stuff that they need to study and improve. So someone puts some Frederick List in his hand. And, you know, you've talked to Mike Maxwell before, Pete, everyone should go check on Imperium Press and pick up, you know, several of their books because that's where, you know, all the real ideas are on our side of the fence.

All the good ideas are on our side of the fence. And this proves it, right? You know, there's been a lot of criticism of Trump justifiably, I think, in our sphere. And I'm not going to defend the guy for not having, for being stymied and checkmated at every turn or not pushing his heart on things as he should have. But I think that's something that does need to be said is all of his ideas and the things he says he wants to do that the American people are saying that they want. They want the mass deportations.

They want the gangsters are in jail. They want the government waste cut. They want, you know, the illegals off the welfare rules. They want, you know, the Department of Education shut down, right? All of those things. The ideas are fantastic. It's the execution where Trump, I think, is falling down. And they're all what are people, our people were the ones talking about these ideas

five, ten, ten, fifteen years ago. And now they're mainstream. And I think that's a very big deal. Jose, why don't you jump in and talk about how our economic libertarian priors butt up so hard against this? Well, one thing I like about the El Salvadorian case is that it kind of goes beyond like higher discussions of reducing everything to whether if it's like humane for the individual or just anything that's centered around the individual,

but rather, like, it asks, like, the tough question, like, what do we do with a bunch of criminals and other malcontents in society and put them to service to the state? Like, obviously, they're not going to rehabilitate all of these people, but at least with these programs in El Salvador, they will at least put them to work towards something bigger, that the state and broader society can benefit from. That's something that you'll just never hear in the really, like, neoliberal,

dominated West where things are just centered around growing the GDP or satisfying individual demand. There's no real discussion about whether it benefits society and, like, posterity in the long term. Yeah, I think, like, as well, this is a clear dunk on, Buckelly is a clear dunk also on libertarians and especially the NGO space because I actually have some experience over a decade ago working with a good deal of libertarians that were working in Latin America. And fast forward to the present, I see a lot of these people, same people, still libertarian

and still trashing Buckelly because of the simple fact that he is using top-down state action to affect positive societal change. And it completely goes against many of these people's assumptions about how you can make things happen. And to touch on the point about whether Kelly learned these ideas from other people, if he was getting advice, I think this highlights the importance for people that are getting into politics, that it's all about building not only like human-to-human relations, but even more complex networks

to be able to affect political change because no man is an island in this game so you have to not only be able to interact with people but build actual structures that go beyond election cycles that you can pass on to future generations

because and it's why I also don't quit when it comes to writing content I tell other people who have like bold ideas for fixing society to continue to do this because who knows that blog post

that you made a few years ago could serve as a template for some reformer down the line and Latin America is actually in many ways a really good

petri dish for all of these ideas because unlike the West which has very well entrenched deep states and permanent bureaucracies a lot of Latin American countries are still

very not stuck in rudimentary phases of their state development so it sometimes they'll matter of having the right person with the right advisors and network giving them support to implement drastic changes. So that's one of that's one thing some people can learn from this example. Well, I think another thing is that if you talk about how, you know, El Salvador is basically

what their main export has been for a long time is El Salvadorans and how the way they're setting up this economy is helping to rebuild. Well, I mean, what's been our main import for the last 20 years? It's been people from other countries. And what has been our main export? Mesquises from Central America. That's been our main import. Yeah.

Yeah. And what's been our main export? I mean, does anybody, can anybody really answer that? What our main export has been in the last 20 years? Intellectual aid. I mean, this is not only a model for a country of 6.6 million in the middle of Central America. This is a model for the way we have to approach this. We have to start building our own things again.

We need to start building our desks. We need to start building, you know, if I look around at the things in the room or on my desk in front of me. I question whether I know one of these is made in Australia. I don't know where the hell the computer was made and everything. But I would assume half of the stuff here is made in China. Right. And China has a place called Sox City where they just make the socks for the world.

They just make socks. What is stopping us from doing this? And really, think about this. What is stopping us from if you want to start manufacturing these small, little things that everyone uses, that every school uses, that every office building uses, that every government of building uses. We have, how many prisons do we have and how many prisoners do we have right now? The largest population in the world, millions of people. Yeah.

I mean, you have a workforce right here. And if you're, if we're at the point where it's like we may need to start arresting judges and shipping them to El Salvador. let's start doing things that are going to piss off the same people who are pissed off about, you know, when we, I heard one of these fucking women on TV the other day who was like, who was basically said that Trump was not allowed to do something because a circuit court judge, it had to go through a circuit court judge first. Are you fucking kidding me? Cry parkey in action. I mean, it is basically, I mean, we're back to the fucking longhouse. No, fuck you. Put these fucking prisoners to work.

Make them build shit. Build the fucking factories. I know a lot of that was in Spanish, so people who were just listening to this are here. But what they said at one point was these factories didn't exist where all this stuff these persons are doing, these buildings didn't exist before Buckelly. He's built these. Yeah. And this is one of those things.

Like, you can just do things. A prison that holds us. Yes. 25,000 people. 25,000 people was it? That's a small town. He built a, he built a prison that holds a small town and all of these factories and all of these

farms. Yeah, he says it to three years. You'll jump into your point. Yeah, he says it's not even a prison. His exact words are it's an industrial complex. And he's right. That speaks to your point. That's its own little civilization, which is what they're doing with these people. And I think that can't be overlooked. They're civilizing most of these people. That's the point. Again, I don't want to get mired in the weeds. They're civilizing these people. That should be the goal. Again, the goal is, yes, we should make things. I'm not saying we shouldn't. But the goal is to civilize people and to get them to be productive so that they can make things. So they can, as to address your point earlier, Jose, they can do things for posterity. They can build the strength for today and tomorrow.

Go ahead, Dee. Can you imagine an American prison where there's just a machete lying around and then someone who picks it up doesn't immediately get shot? No. I mean, this was a full-on, like, machete. It was probably 20 inches long steel. Like, like, you could, dangerous weapon in any kind of hands, like, you know, and justifiably, right? Like, any, you know, if you don't think it's an incredibly dangerous weapon, like, you've never seen what kind of reach, like an end's weapon can give somebody. extremely dangerous in the wrong hands. But they have said, like, no, we're going to make people better, you know, people. People were on drugs.

People were robbing people. You know, they take all the hardcore criminals and send them to that one prison. But then they take everyone else who's just, you know, a person in a bad situation. And they say, all right, well, you got a chance. Well, and if they make a mistake and, they put somebody who belongs in the hardcore prison forever and they put that person in the workers prison and they don't work out, you take them out and you put them in the hardcore prison. It's also a filtering mechanism.

Okay. So we watch thousands of people in this video. They even say in that, they even say in that context, they say this, this area of the complex is our most trustworthy prisoners where they had the machete. And I would wager that Pete, you're 100% correct. And they got there because they demonstrated their trustworthies. Another thing I want to bring up that I think is crucial to point out is it basically proves what I had said earlier in the program.

You're giving these people hope with this program. You're giving them something to do. And I'll just raise two points and I'll cede the floor very quickly. The first is if you notice, they said, we're taking time off your sentence if you work. So not only are they keeping busy, they are actually helping themselves as well. There is a healthy amount of self-interest in there, which is good. Self-interest isn't inherently evil. So that's a positive right there.

And the other thing that I think is really important to note is what were the crimes of most of the people in the higher trust area? Robbery, drugs. It wasn't rape. It wasn't murder. it wasn't even a lot of the other things. It was like you said, like we talked about earlier, that segment of the population where, hey, I grew up in an incredibly dysfunctional community, whether it be family or just the town. And this is just what we did to survive. But now that somebody has shown me, there is another way to survive that is pro-social. I'll do it. And now I'm

reaping the benefits of it. So I'll see the floor now. I just wanted to mention this. there's two points. I just, I just have one point about the dog that didn't bark. Do you guys notice one thing that was totally absent? Women. And the hundreds and hundreds of prisoners we saw. Well, women,

women, first of all, secondly, you've seen lots of pictures of El Salvador in prisons. What was completely absent? I didn't see a single guy with a face tattoo. Oh, yeah.

Not one. Hundreds and hundreds of people we saw in this video. now some of them might have been repeats or whatever but hundreds of people and not a one with gang tattoos not a one so that's you know i mean charles has made this point and i've made this point before but like if in america that you know charles is always talking about the predator principle and i firmly agree you could just take like go to los angeles any dude wearing red any dude wearing red any dude wearing blue in a certain neighborhood, just grab him and throw him in prison.

Why? Because he's a member of the bloods. He's a member of the crips. You know, if he's, if he's wearing certain things, right? He's, if he's got the Latin king's tattoo of the crown on his chest, just throw him in prison. You know, you can just do things. And, and one of the things that Pete talked about this is federal judge. How many of these federal judges are actually Americans?

I think, I think one of them was like, a Asian lesbian immigrant or something. Right? Yeah, you have Canadians. You have, yeah, I mean,

Asian people are even fucking born here. Right. And so, right, they, they have ascended to the highest place they can, in the worst place they can, right? Why are,

why were these people given places in American law schools to the point where they could become federal judges? Why? You know, and I'm going to steal Charles's line. you don't have female judges because then you're literally enthrining the opinion of a woman into law. And as Amy Coney Barrett has shown, it's just a bad idea, right? I don't regard any decision by the Supreme Court where Katanji Brown Jackson is in the majority as valid because I don't think any of her decisions are valid.

I don't think any decisions where Sonia Sotomayor is deciding vote are valid because I don't think any of your distance are valid. Like you can say, but that's the rules. Like, I don't, I reject your premise entirely. I don't think that, that Jews or women or, you know, like any of these people have any right to, to tell me what the law is because their interest in mind and the interest of a stable civilization that works are completely, you know, at odds. And, you know, whether, you know, there was shadow NGO funding to make ourselves, or a horrible place or shadowy NGO funding to make El Salvador a functional place, it doesn't really matter.

What matters is that all across the world right now, you know, we're tittering the brink of recession probably. If you use, shadow stats numbers, we're probably in one. There's a huge government debt's all over the place. Europe's bankrupt.

It doesn't really have a military. there's the wars in the Middle East and the war in Armenia and the war in Ukraine and and, you know, the immigration problems here, the government debt problems here. Like the world, purpose of a system is what it does. And the world system that we're under right now is leading to, you know, mass bankruptcy all over the world and completely dysfunctional governments. so maybe we should change that so that it works. I don't know. Like, call me crazy. And if the Constitution,

if Abraham Lincoln, who I'm no fan of, as all three you guys know, right? Like I come from the anti-Lincoln school of libertarianism. He is right about what? If the Constitution isn't a suicide pact, then these federal judges just have to go. Like, they just have to be told, be quiet.

We don't have the money. We can't just print the money. India and China is half the world's population put together. Russia's got all the natural resources in the world. Bricks, if they stop trading in dollars, we're screwed. We can't just keep printing money. We have to start actually living within our means in some sort of meaningful way. When you talk about, when you talk about the you can just do things,

that's been both a hopeful phrase and an infuriating phrase to me. but I want to point I want to just touch on that very very briefly because to go back to your point earlier Pete about mess around and find out I gave up swearing for lent so so it's going to be mess around and find out that America has to take more of that attitude and I agree with you Pete and I just want to say to point that out to make that readily apparent to listeners remember what really stopped the summer of love and the the George Floyd riots remember what really stopped it remember what really stopped that Soros-funded brick-throwing machine. It was one guy with an AR-15. That's what stopped it. That's it. One guy. Because he shot two pet-th, three, well, what?

Two petter-rasts, three petter-ass, and killed them? Like, killed two of them? I mean, that's really what stopped it. One guy, because people messed around. Like one white beater and two chamos. Okay. I think, yeah. I think it was one white-beater and two chamos or something.

But the point I'm making is, to Pete's statement, we have to, we have to bring actual, actual consequences to people. Legal consequences, of course, it was self-defense. He was acquitted. You don't work, law enforcement, shootings, things like that. But they have to return. And if they do, again, I'll be my usual white pill pushing self. I think you'll see a lot of things turn around. If people are allowed to start defending themselves again and dishing out consequences legally lead to people. I really think that things will turn around much faster than you would expect. And actually, to your point on that, Charles, the thing that really needs to happen is the people at

the prosecutor in the Daniel Penny case, they need to go to prison. Yes. Or abuse of power. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. All those people need to be, the courts need to be clean, need to be wiped clean. there's they cannot be it can't be allowed to go on like this i mean if the president has if all power is in the executive he has to be able to clean that out and even if and even if everyone stands up and says no you still have to be able to to stand up and clean that out it just we're i mean it's a friggin we're going off the cliff yeah not only so i i i saw something recently a bunch of people supposed conservatives talking about how

you know the the president can't constrain money being spent by the other like don't tell me you care about the Constitution okay um it was recently you know March it's March 20 seconds last week was the aides of March 15th the date of the assassination of Julia Caesar

well you know when I was more conservative and less understanding the way power actually works I thought the Senate was like doing the right thing by often this dangerous dictator. Like, no, actually. Julie Caesar was trying to fix the dysfunctional system by cutting through the Gordian knot.

And whether that's Naïbukele or Victor Orban or whoever, or Donald Trump, what you need is energy in the executive to actually solve the problems. In the UK right now, you have judges giving rapists three-year sentences. And then they'll give nationalists who, and then they'll give nationalists who, put up flyers five-year sentences. Those judges need to be tossed out on their ear and then put in prison for abuse of power and destruction of their nation. American judges who give no, you know, light sentences to criminals and then throw Americans

and gulags for January 6th, they need to go to prison. Non-American judges who are immigrants who come here, you know, who are sexual perverts, who are just against Donald Trump because he's a straight, heterosexual white American, and they're not. They need to go to prison. And this whole rule of law nonsense, like, don't tell me about the rule of law.

I remember 2020. You want to be unemployed. You want to me out of a job. You want to me out of my house. You wanted my kids turned against me. You wanted to forcefully vaccinate my children. You wanted to outlaw homeschooling. You wanted to outlaw private schools.

And now you want to talk about the rules? you want to talk about the rules bro you're the one who said jungle ball rules i'm just the one saying okay that's the way you wanted to play don't ever let a leftist Tommy scum tell you about well the rules they're the ones who let negroes burn down half of america's major cities they're the reason they're the reason you can't go in downtown of any american city and not step on human feces and needles

don't tell me about rules Why are you quoting laws to me? I have swords. Rules are for games between people who agree to play a game. Charles and I can sit down and have a game of chess.

There are rules and chess. I can't just suck Charles in the mouth when he takes my queen because it annoys me. Okay. But when you say, all right, let's sit down to have a game of chess

and then, oh, every time I take one of your pawns, I get to kill one of your kids. Oh, that's not a game anymore. I get to impoverish you. Like, no, that's not how this works. You don't get to destroy my country because you're a resentful, you know, small-souled, non-American. I'm sorry, you suck and the place you come from sucks.

And your people have a low genetic capability and mine don't. Sorry. I'm part Canadian. I can't help it. But like, that's not the way these things go. You can't weaponize the law against people for years and years and years and years at a time and then and then be like, oh, the law is being violated. Charles can't swear so I, but I can't go fuck yourself. Thank you.

Thank you, Dee. Jose, you got anything? Well, one thing that stuck out to me that Charles, mentioned just how ridiculous the logic of forced integration has permeated to every facet of

American society. Like, look at the prison system. I like the fact that in contrast to the US model, the Salvadorian model does make a difference between having like separating the clear cases of people

that cannot be reformed. Like, the gang bangers and from like the other common criminals who yeah maybe some of them won't be reformed but at least you you can like put the rest that can be reformed to use for state purposes for societal purposes

because the way I see crime it is ultimately a societal issue it's a societal failure in many ways not just like a question of like an individual messing up because this individual's fuck-ups is like a negative

externality for the rest of society. So the state does have to take it upon itself to find ways, especially now creative ways to solve this issue. And I think there is a lack of political imagination with a lot of people across the political aisle because of the fact that their ideologies are informed by very individualistic priors and they don't really like taking collective action because all these measures that El Salvador is doing, even at the microcosmic level, there are forms of microcollectivism that eventually sadbagged into a cohesive national program. And I think with the case of El Salvador, it also shows that it's something that we can emulate because as the maxim goes, big things sometimes come in small packages. In an El Salvador's case,

It is a model to emulate. Well, I guess we'll wrap this up because getting into a new topic will take us into the night. But it all comes back to what's been said a couple times here. You can just do things. And people with power can just do things. I mean, Buckelly showed that. If you read any accounts of what he had to do to get elected and then what he had to do after he got elected just to be able to clean the country up, it's literally you can just do things. Because what he did was, well, I mean, kind of against their constitution or whatever the kind of thing they have down there is.

but desperate times, desperate measures. And I'm not so much of, and this isn't me saying, first of all, I don't want people to think this is me saying, Trump needs to be unleashed. I don't think Trump's the answer. I just don't. I think he's the path somewhere. And I think it's going to be more local, if you ask me personally what I think. but yeah, the time for, oh, what does the law say?

We really need to dig into these law books and figure out if this is legal, and maybe we need to run it by the courts. That time was gone 30 years ago. And the only person or persons who is going to be able to reverse and nullify everything that's happened is someone like Buckelly who's just like, I don't care what the law says. I don't care if this council, how long this council has been in charge. I'm bringing these soldiers in here with me. And we're going to do what we do.

And we're going to turn this around. Because people can look at El Salvador and be like, well, they were the murder capital of the world. Now it's safer than Baltimore. Yeah, and now I literally felt safer walking around there. I wasn't looking behind me. Like I would be if I was in Baltimore or New York, even Austin, Texas. I wasn't looking behind me. I was like, wow, this is incredible.

People are just going about their lives and they're not worried about, they're worried about one last thing, getting killed. getting roughed up, getting robbed. And if we're going to clean up what's happening here and especially get rid of the rot, fuck the law. Yeah, I give up something else for Lent. It wasn't cursing. Fuck the law. I mean, literally fuck the law.

I don't care. And I know people can, you know, we could go on a totally different tangent about you know, Trump is, you know, you know, is just another fake gay Jew op and everything like that. This isn't about him. This is about us. And it's not going to, I'm sorry, unless we get someone like Bukeli, it's not going to be changed on the national level. And I don't even know that it can be changed on the national level with as big as we are. And as multicultural as we are and multiracial as we are, when you have, you have,

350 closing and I'm probably on 400 million people now. So it's got to be something else. And it's not going to look like what you're, you know, what the typical boomer con wants. I'm sorry. It's going to be something else. Well, anybody can't riff off of that. Well, I'd love to for just a second. So the average boomer con is still caring about liberty and liberty within what? and there's been an interesting discussion. I don't want to take either side between Joel Davis and Keith Woods about a certain mustache man. And the necessity of either embracing or rejecting that mustache man.

But I do want to bring something up that I've talked about before. And that is that Naibu Kelly is being called, you know, a national socialist except on the pejorative term. And he's being called a dictator and he's being called a fascist. and in a very real sense, you know, what Thomas says is true, right? After 1945, it became illegal to be effective, or became illegal to be right wing. And any kind of effective governance at all,

whether it's just like not paying people who shouldn't be paid or throwing criminals in jail or enforcing the border or anything is going to be called fascism. And you just have to, to step over that and say, yeah, and so what? Because there's no society today, anywhere in the world, especially white countries,

where ethnic incoherence and massive structural economic problems and crime isn't a problem. Or intimately a problem. Like you can say, well, Poland is safe. They don't have crime. Yeah, but how quickly could a bunch of Muslims come from Germany? into Poland and just start wrecking stuff, like pretty easily. There's nowhere in the world where you can just be isolated from major problems. You can't run away from it anymore.

You know, jet planes can, and people, the parasites will go from a non-functioning place to a functional place and just show up anytime. You see it, you see it with all the people coming to Germany, all the people, coming to different countries in Europe. You see it with people leaving California, right? Like there are people who just want to live someplace nice. And it doesn't matter to them what their choices are that might have gotten them in the place that it is that way. They just want to live someplace nice.

You see it all over Montana, you see it all over Idaho, you see it all over Washington. you see it all over Tennessee people coming down from Michigan people coming down from other states in the Northeast so instead of arguing about how you

you're not really a fascist because you disagree with you know this point seven of Mussolini's dot you know points or whatever right we can have that discussion amongst ourselves about Mosley and Franco and Mussolese

and Moustache Man, Salazar, whatever. Like, that's a discussion for serious people to have at a later date to, like, thrash out whatever differences we might have between various different flavors of right-wing authoritarian regimes. It doesn't matter right now, this very second, what the people who are against Buckele or who are trying to stop whatever measures Donald Trump is trying to do, you just have to step over those people. because they want the system not to work.

They want your children to be broke. They want them to grow up in a non-functioning society with no public schools. They want them to not have parks and not have safe places to be. They want your wife sexually harassed and her way in and out of the grocery store. They want you to have to pack heat everywhere you go just so you can get in and out of your truck. And okay, if that's the way we have to play, I guess I'll do it. But I don't want, I don't want. don't mind playing by those rules.

But there are people who aren't cut out for it and they shouldn't have to. You want to say anything to close out, Charles? I think we're at that stage. Yeah, sure. Just a couple minor points. Thank you, Pete. One, I want to just touch back on something Jose had said a while back in the broadcast when he had said earlier about how keep posting the blog post or whatever, keep putting

new ideas out there. I want to dovetail that with D's point about our side is the only side that has anything good and has had anything good for quite a while. I won't say forever because I do think the left had some good ideas somewhere in the past, but for now and for the recent past, it hasn't had anything for quite some time. So always put your ideas out there. You never know who's going to pick them up and how far they're going to run with them. And although he was not a political figure, the author H.P. Lovecraft died so poor as to be reusing race safety razors to shave. He died with a few sticks of furniture and nothing to show for all of his efforts. If, however, he were still alive today and had the copyrights to all of his work,

he'd be a billionaire. But you never know what's going, what you're going to put out there in the world and you never know how long it's going to take other people to catch on to it. And you never know how far it's going to be taken or how many people are going to grab hold of it and love it and cherish it and value it. So never ever stop doing something. And lastly, I'll close with this. There was somebody that said to you, Pete, in a comment on Twitter, oh, I didn't realize Charles had said everything all the time first always. It was kind of snarky, but I laughed it off and I got to say like the reason I laughed and I kind of appreciate it. And in a way, I actually took it as a backhanded compliment because

I've been doing stuff like this for 30, 35 years in person at college, all sorts of things. I've tried everything from screenwriting to guitar playing to stand up comedy. I've done a lot of stuff. So all this is to say, not talk myself up, but it's just to say this, guys, you You can just do things. And the reason that phrase maddens me is you always could. You always could. If you want to do something, go do it. Ask people.

I'm not calling you to break the law or do you hurt people. But what I am calling you to do is summon that masculine bravery. Just do it. And you know what? Somebody wants you to stop. Make them tell you. And I'll close with this last moment, this last point. one factor has guided my life and I have never regretted this, if only one thing, I've never regretted living by this.

It is better to beg forgiveness than to ask permission. God bless everybody and Pete once again. Thank you for having me on your program. Of course. Jose, I want to close out saying anything and do plugs, whatever? Yes. One thing I've stressed that we need to go in reconquist mode in the sense that perhaps a good deal, the changes that we envision for society are not going to happen in our lifetime or in honestly many lifetimes, possibly centuries from now. But it's still worth fighting because I want to be on by deathbed knowing that I put in 100% of my effort. towards making the polity I live in a better place and knowing that my the knowledge I accumulated and the experiences I've accumulated as well I've been passed on the future generations to

continue that same fight and I think people need to have that in mind because our society has programmed us to go for instant gratification and instant results and oftentimes that is a siren song for all sorts of of other problems. But yeah, if you want to continue, follow my content, I'm on Substack, Jose Niño, unfiltered at JOSBCF.com.

And then I'm also on X slash Twitter at Jose Al-Nino. D, do your plugs in if you want to, if you had a last comment or something like that. Not fundamental principle on Substack and Telegram. I just want to say thanks to you, Pete, for having me on. folks by charles's books um Jose was kind enough to have me on his show a couple weeks back um you know go to free man they will be on the wall slash support um if you're kind enough to if you feel compelled

you can donate to me on gum road and a few other places um but you know support the people that are doing this full time like Jose like Pete um because you're not going to hear a conversation like this anywhere else and uh I truly believe um as small as this is, these efforts are building an avalanche all over the world. And it's an honor to be part of it. And so thank you for having me be. Of course. And thank all of you. Thank all of you for taking time to come and talk to me basically about my vacation, which I think before I even before I even went on it, I think we said we would postpone any kind of episode until after. because we knew that it would be the kind of conversation like we just had.

And I'm glad we did. So thank you. And until the next time. Thank you, gentlemen. And we're back. Dee, how are you doing? Doing great, Pete. Thanks for having me.

It seems like we just talked the other day. Jose, how are you? I'm doing well. Charles? Very well. Thank you, Pete. well. So, I mean, I really don't know where to jump in here because there's so much going on, but does anybody, do we want to get a discussion going as to what we think is happening?

I think Jose may call it K-Fabe, just knowing Jose, where it looks like Israel is, Netanyahu is on the outs with Trump. Anybody. Jose, why don't you field that one? Well, I hope and pray it's true. I mean, I hope and pray it's true, but I would Jose would know more than me, so.

So my impression is that I just think that the U.S. is so oversaw. stretched now that yeah there's like an element of kfeb where I don't think there's been like a rupture in relations because I think the US

Israel relationship it goes beyond like the feelings of like the US president and like the Israeli prime minister it's very like structurally like built in and on whatever beef like Joe Biden has with Benjamin Yahoo and then Donald Trump has it ultimately just turns out to be theater in the long term i just think that now um they with the whole huthi conflict like the u.s just took like a big fat l with with them with a bunch of just rag tag militia people like shutting down the red sea and launching pretty sophisticated missiles against israel seems that they're going through like a recalibrated approach where i think they're trying to go on a charm offensive.

Like the U.S. is trying to go on a charm offensive with these Arab states, like these sellout Arab states from like the UAE, the Saudis, and try to mend these ties and then try to reset like some type of conflict with Iran like six months or a year down the line. Because I just don't really think that there's much appetite amongst the American public to just fight like a war with Israel. and that's why they're going to try to get creative by not just trying to build this whole Abraham Accords, which is basically a balancing coalition of like the Uncle Tom Arab states that will basically serve as cannon fodder for Israel along with the U.S. as well. But also I think too with that Witkoff character, that Jew that they're sending all over to like Russia and Iran.

I think they're trying to get him to get Russia to abandon Iran as well to abandon that type of strategic partnership. And I think that's what's not really being discussed. But when it comes to this type of stuff dealing with organized jury, you often have to like read between the lines. Because I think that that's been part of a plan where the Trump strategy is to tap into the sellout Arab axis. and also woo the Russians over by making some concessions in Ukraine to get them to isolate Iran. And I also think they're doing this too with India, which has been a pretty strong partner of Iran. They're really making overtures there with, especially with the likes of like J.D. Vance. And yeah, there is definitely KFa, but it's also just like the reality of like the fact that like the Judeo-American empire has like

reached like a breaking point both in terms of its foreign policy ventures and just the fact that like the country domestically is just increasingly becoming a mess and it's barely keeping the lights on let alone being able to project power against Iran, Russia and like China. It's just a disaster on all fronts. Well, I'll just make a quick comment and somebody else can jump in. I recorded what Stormy yesterday. That episode is coming out tomorrow and this is one of the things we talked about. And I made the point. Trump could become virulently anti-Israel, but there's going to be another election.

There's going to be another. Somebody else is going to be president one day. Somebody else is going to be sitting in the secretary of state chair. And if the deep state, you know, if these administrative types aren't cleaned out, well, what does it matter? Well, what is just a pause, basically? So, I mean, really, like, I think you started off by saying that it's so deeply entrenched that it's really not going to go away. And yeah, how can it go away if we're going to have elections in the future?

Yeah, that's actually a really good point because they could get, they, um, Israelis could just like waded out. And honestly, they could get really petty. I mean, people didn't forget this, that HW. Bush in some respects got cooed by organized jewelry for the mere fact of just delaying alone to Israel over

some West Bank settlement stuff He also funny enough when he knocked out Noriega I think Noriega one of his close confidants was a Mossade asset Mike Hariri and I mean just like the

slightest, like, kind of, like, offense is enough to piss off the Israelis because they're just such a petty people that if they don't get, like, enough military aid or enough of, like, their demands met, like, they treat it as, like, of a trail. So anything's possible. But, um, at this point, um, yeah, there, it seems to me that, um, the US, like, there is, like, a rational calculus being made that they just can't pursue this stuff at the moment. But who knows what could happen and what type of people will insert a year from now, especially with a lot of reshuffling of the national security state. But yeah, they could also just wait it out because that whole, there's a big continuity

of agenda when it comes to the think tank industrial complex and the permanent bureaucracy. And at the end of the day, when you have like a really like post democratic state like the U.S. Elections almost don't matter. And it's basically the people that write the policy papers and the people who are part of like the permanent bureaucracy that determine public policy. So to give you an example of why the election, I mean, why Trump, Tom Tillis, just torpedoed Trump's, uh, US attorney pick for DC. So the most important, arguably maybe either the most important or the second most important after Southern District of New York, right? And like Tom Tillis and Lindsay Graham were going to be in the Senate until they die or they quit or they volunteer to quit. They're not going anywhere.

And they're just not going to, I mean, they're not going to be on the side of Donald Trump because they're military and industrial complex guys, they're rabbi Zionists, whatever, pick, pick your thing, but a huge, huge chunk of the, you know, GOP Senate or traders. Yeah, I think that we're, what we're seeing now is we, the only reason that anything like this would happen is a realization that, one, the bad things that. Jose had mentioned about everything happening at home and needing to concentrate on everything that's happening here. And two, I mean, there's obviously a pivot to China going on. And if you're going to have a pivot to China, you have to, that's going to take all of your

resources. That's going to take all of your intelligence. It's going to take, you need to have everything ready at a moment's notice. I mean, if the Houthis are, if Trump's willing to deal with the Houthis and with Saudi Arabia without, Israel being in charge. I mean, to me, it could be a big middle finger to Netanyahu because I'm sorry, I don't believe that Trump and Netanyahu are friends. I don't care how many chairs he pulls out for him. I think that they both do not like each other at all.

And I think that's just about the best thing you can hope. That doesn't mean that Trump doesn't like Israel. I think we know he does. And people say, oh, well, that means because that's because it's because. he's one of the biggest Zionists in the world. Look, he married his daughters off to, or he's just a boomer. And that's what boomers do. And also he's worked in New York real estate long enough to know that, wow, there's this

group of people in the world that are really, really powerful. And if I want to get some shit done in some places, I may have to be nice to them. You know, is that good for us? Is it good for the country? No. But I mean, I guess from a real podcast. politics standpoint, it's kind of hard to ignore right now. I just think of my friend Tommy Simmons saying, you know, if you're going to clean,

if this country is ever going to get cleaned up, you know, it's just a group of people over here. They're going to be the final boss that we're going to have to deal with. Yeah, I think that's spot on. I think that's spot on. I think you put it very eloquently as far as, I don't care how many chairs he pulls out. I mean, he has to live in the world he's in. I think a lot of guys forget that that's a truism.

You have to live in the world you're in. And these are people, as you said, that he's encountered throughout the last, what, 40, 50, possibly 60 years of his life that he's just done business with at all levels for the greater part of his life. And it's not really any wonder that his family is married into them. Why wouldn't they? They're the people he encounters all the time. They're the people he golfs with. They're the people he eats with. They're the people he negotiates with.

That doesn't necessarily make them friends, but he obviously sees their value rightly or wrongly. I mean, I'm not in those situations. I don't travel those circles. But I think, as you put it, I think you're correct in that this is the world he lives in. And he is, I think there's also something that's easy to forget because he is a very intelligent man. He is very, he's bombastic, but he's no fool. He's not stupid. And he also is very charismatic and he also has a way with people.

But I think it's easy to forget that he, like all of us, are not exempt our zeitgeist, as I am fond of saying. No man is exempt as zeitgeist. He's still going to be a boomer. He's still going to do boomer things. And we have to understand that and accept it. So that when we see certain things, we just have to take the wins where we get them. And I'm not saying we should beg for table scraps all the time either.

Let's not take one extreme or the other. I'm merely trying to contextualize things in that he's doing what he can. And I do want to step back to something Jose had said. I really like two words that you chose, Jose. I thought they were excellent choices. Recalibration and the charm offensive. I thought they were very good. I think they're really well done because I think a lot of what he's trying to do

is whether overtly or covertly is circle the wagons. We have to understand that he inherited a tremendous, mess. I mean, at catastrophic levels, look how bad it is that we can see it. Imagine how bad it really is. I mean, all everybody here is very intelligent. I mean, if we can see the rot, what on earth do you think they're managing to hide from us? So I think a lot of this is him just trying to just lost a battle for the, go ahead, Charles. Oh, I was just saying, I was just trying to say that I think the charm offensive is as, as, as Jose Pope was very, very, very well stated. And I think the recalibration is also very important. And I think Pete's point is

this is real politic. This is what has to happen. Because he has, he has inherited, he has inherited, and absolute, if you'll forgive the phrase, because it's tired and worn, but it is apt at this point. He has inherited an absolute dumpster fire. What's he supposed to do with it? I mean, he doesn't even know what's in there that he has to put out. Is it a grease fire? Is it a fuel fire? What is it? What do I even use? So, I mean, he's just trying to keep it all under control the best he can. And frankly, I'm not enamored of the man, but I do actually have to respect the fact that he has grabbed the bull by the horns and is keeping public confidence at a higher level than I would have ever imagined possible given what he inherited. By all means, D, please take where you want it to go. Well, just for Jose, brief you mentioned, but just as a how bad things really are, the U.S. Navy just lost a battle for the first time since 1941. The U.S. Navy was decisively defeated in the Red Sea by people with no Navy. Yeah, that's exactly my point. Yes.

That's exactly my point. Look at how bad is. Competency crisis. Yes, right. And that's the point I'm trying. to draw to people. The irony, and basically I'll TLDR it right here, then I'll cede the floor. Like, everybody thinks that, oh, I know how bad it is. And it's like, no, you really don't. And I freely admit as informed as I am and as attentive as I am and as much of a natural

investigator as I am, I freely admit, no, I probably have no idea how bad it really is. And not to be flippant, but the meme is, is truer than I think even the people that bandied about realize. It's like, no, you, if only you knew how bad things really are. So continue, please. What I've come to realize is that a lot of people are, you know, some people make the argument that, oh, it'd be better if, you know, you push Trump, you pushed a vote for Trump. Sure. I thought there was a better chance.

of me not ending up dead with Trump in charge, then Kamala in charge. I'm sorry. I just happened to study what they were planning on passing and some of the things that they were doing. They were planning on doing. And I'm like, eh, I think a lot of us aren't going to be able to survive that. So at least we have four years of, you know,

probable, you know, breathing room to try to get things in place. that we wouldn't have, we wouldn't have been able to do, you know, when she just completely cratered the economy. And I still think there is some economic hardship coming up. But, I mean, I think that that's just, that was inevitable anyway. That was baked into the cake no matter what you do. But, you know, I still come back to a lot of this arguing over policy and arguing over, you know, how, how controlled this government is. by Zionists or controlled by anyone, everything it's doing, I still come back to the fact that there is going to be,

my enemy is going to get elected and is going to be in charge. My enemy will control the House or the Senate or both and the White House and in the future. and they're when I look at what when I look at some of the things they did from 2020 to 2024 to some people who would nominally be fellow travelers I think that if you're Trump's not going to destroy his enemies or destroy our enemies so we have a we have a road ahead of us that arguing about a lot of policy and things like that is, you know, I think the policy you should be, people should be paying attention to at this point is monetary because that's something

that you're going to want to figure out how to take advantage of because it may be the only thing that might be able to buy you out or, you know, the famous Greg Hood tweet about, you know, just life in the United States being about making enough money to get away from the consequences as a Civil Rights Act while you're hiding about while you're hiding your intentions of what you're doing. Yeah, if we're going to be a third world country, have the money to bribe yourself out of it. Yeah. So if we're, if our enemies are going to be in power again at some point, what do we do?

And it's inevitable. I mean, no one can. Once you come. to that realization. Once you get the acceptance of that, you can go through the stages of grief, but then you'll get to the acceptance stage.

And that's when you have to be like, okay, well, what are we going to do? Oldglaryclub.com, I think, is the proper website. And it doesn't, even if it, even if Donald Trump was like, the president of our dreams, right? You know, he just, just said,

article two and like went ham and made musilini after the march on rome look like a piker right there's still a population of what 30 million africans in the united states probably equal number of of of absolute rabid shitlibs you know that that's that's like a really big country that's like iran we have an iran size population of people that are irredeemably hostile to us no matter what you're going to have to learn to live with that or deal with that or just find a way to live so that these people can't destroy you i don't know what else to tell people right like even if you know Greg Abbott suddenly found the spine within himself to stand up for Texas and like ban that that monkey statue and start you know punishing people for fraud and getting rid of all the you know massive subsidies to H1Bs and all of that right and militarize the border and put the Texas National Guard on the border and you know all the state governors and. and all of our good states, you know, got serious. There's still, Gavin Newsom is, nothing is going to make Gavin Newsom not hate you.

He will hate you till the day he dies. So how do you deal with that? Because he has power. Yeah, I mean, what is liberalism, you know, get you? I mean, this is all about liberalism. So if you still have it in your mind, of, oh, I'm an individual, and individual rights is what's most important. People think that, like, you know, in Germany, they didn't have individual rights.

Because, you know, it was the state was controlled. Well, why was the state controlling things? Because if the state didn't control things, there was a certain group that had basically destroyed everything. But, you know, even people like Carl Benjamin, Sargonavacod, he's saying now, liberalism can only destroy as it is an entire doctrine which evolves around breaking human relationships. What are we doing here, man? There's nothing to build out of.

You have to accept power as a natural thing humans wield as social animals, and therefore we have to do something at some point. And there's this guy, we'll call distance, who he retweets and goes, this is just wrong. Liberalism is not about breaking human relationships. It's just silly. one reason this is all going nowhere is that people talk past each other or play hide the ball with their end goals and so nothing ever gets discussed properly. And my comment to that was, quote, dialogue with people who want you dead will solve everything. What are we doing here?

I mean, yeah, it's time to tribe up, but you can't tribe up with people like this. You can't tribe up with people who think that all you need to do is have a conversation with the person who want. All you need to do is have a conversation with those anarchists in the Spanish Civil War. If those priests had just explained to these anarchists and these communists that, you know, hey, you know, we're nonviolent. We're not going to hurt you. Oh, they wouldn't have slaughtered them. Is that what these fucking dummies think? And here's the irony.

They need to read them in the gospel. Well, here's the idea. The bit in the gospel where our Lord tells us we'll shake the dust off their feet, you know, like. Yeah. And here's the irony. What did, the problem isn't that Franco killed these people. The problem is you didn't kill enough of them.

Look what, look what Spain's going through right now for crying out loud. What's he going to do? The, like, again, I hate to keep harping on this, but what's the boomer attitude going to do? Just look them in the eye and shake their hand. Right. Pete, if he just looked them in the eye and shake their hand, These anarchists, these communists, they'll understand what you want. You can just find a common ground and long work out.

No, it really won't. No, it really won't. And even when you try and get rid of all of them, you still have to make sure that you do it thoroughly, because that's what Spain's enduring now is the fact that Franco actually had some compassion and mercy. It was like, well, I'm not just going to kill entire, entire countryside's full of you people. I'm just going to try and have a few firing squads and get rid of the worst of you. Well, apparently that didn't work out either. Well, I mean, you got anything, Jose?

I mean, yeah, like this whole notion that you're just going to have, like, discourse with people that just cannot agree on basic fundamentals of, like, the questions of life you're just, it's the perpetual discourse trap that will lead to your civilization's demise like the time for talking is over like the the only debate that is to be had is how we can

dispose of these people because yeah if you don't thoroughly liquidate them and build institutions that prevent these people from ever reconstituting themselves and insinuating themselves in your like society and governing structures

you're just going to repeat a vicious cycle of like decline and we have to like start um thinking outside the box now and discarding failed doctrines of like liberalism well how can they get along with us if their very existence uh just is contingent on them being able to parasite out of us i mean i know i bring it up all the time but really the show we did the shows we did about race porn high school ever since the 1968 teacher strike in New York, right? Government workers have basically been given the deal of you will have an absurd pension. Do your 20 years in government and you will get a pension where instead of, you know, 50% or 60% of your salary, right, you're going to get like 90% of your salary for the rest of your life. There's no way someone, you know, the average person is not capable of putting the interest.

of the whole above that of themselves and for the greater good of society sacrificing that 90% pension for the for the common good they're just not going to do it and so you know like yes you have to completely destroy the teachers union because the teachers union is hostile to civilization there's no there's no like oh well we can make it better like no you can't you have to destroy to burn it to the roots. And then you have to bring the roots up and burn those. And, you know, like, they're not. A conversation can't happen where, you know, in a public park recently there was a black militia group, right? And they're standing there in the park,

shouting about how they want to kill every white person. How you can't live with those people. Figure it out. If you state that, somebody's going to say you're racist. I mean, there are people who still, you know, it's like I was having a conversation with someone on Twitter today. I said multiracial, multiracial societies don't work. I said, really, the only multiracial society right now that's kind of orderly on the planet is Singapore. And it's kind of multiracial.

I mean, all those people are sort of, most of the people who have congregated there are sort of in the same kind of family. they at least a lot of them look look somewhat alike but how do they keep order there they keep order by they're going to they'll they will kill you if you get out of line or they will cane you publicly if you get out of line and i'm saying you know multiracial society just doesn't work and they're saying no you know it's it's not about race it's about the fact that people can vote and it's like i mean if i lived in a if i lived in a monoculture or a mona um monoracial society. I mean, basically voting comes down to what?

You know, someone wants to who's going to give more Gibbs to my cousin? I mean, if people can't even get past this and see this, I mean, there, people are willing to fight and die for those beliefs that we can live in a multiracial society, that this should be a multiracial society, that this should be, you know, it doesn't matter what this is. You know, it doesn't matter anyone can be an American. I mean, you can't have a conversation with those people. Yeah, going back to the point of the vicious cycle, even in this theoretical multiracial policy where voting rights are restricted, the, there's going to be.

tension one way or the other like say 20 to 30 years on the line when it becomes clear that there's like a minority that's only able to exercise political power and then you have like a massive hell it class that can't vote that hell it class is going to eventually clash if not revolt like this is not as this is not something this is like a future evil that has to be prevented and you do that by having a coherent like a racially coherent polity like yeah screw that like I don't want to pass on like a future conflict to our posterity just to scratch someone's ideological itch. Well, and that's that's what Enoch Powell said that, you know, the chief job of statesman was was the prevention of foreseeable evils. And, you know, we have this huge population of mestizos that maybe they vote, maybe they don't. but you you just set up and you've already seen it like how many blacks are left in Los Angeles they've been pushed out there aren't any blacks left in content or not not any like you know the birthplace of gangster rap now you hear ranchero music and the white people are sitting there well you know we should just get along why can't we have rap ranchero music

and everyone be friendly well because they're not capable of growing the economic pie. They need their ticks on the body politic of the state of California, on the white industries, on the aerospace industry, on the tech industry, on the, you know,

Hollywood industry that's all brought there by other people. And they are remoras on the body, you know, like following those industries around. And there's only so many scraps to go around. if they were capable of building first-world countries on their own, they'd have built them already. Show me one.

Yeah, it's the old, it's the old trip about how much, you know, blacks will just shit on whites all day about being, you know, being violent and being, you know, oh, you're the real violent ones. Look at the things you've done historically. Yet they just want to be around, they want to be around white people. But they don't want to be around white people as like, you know, a cast that needs to be, I don't know, treated like children? No, they want to dominate.

And all that turns into is violence and chimping out and killing. I mean, I talk about this all the time. There was, there's always been, ever since the end of slavery, there's been black crime. But there was a time when black crime was much lower. And that was at a time when, one, it was permissible, trying not to get in trouble here, it was permissible to, let's say, what's the word I'm looking for, to, I don't want to use punish, but, you know, to discipline someone when they got out of line. and also there was, and what I will point out is when that time existed, blacks did a lot better. Financially, family-wise, all down the line.

They did pretty good. Well, it wasn't, yeah, good. Well, why should, why should I care how well they're doing? They're not my countrymen. They were given the chance to be my countrymen. And they, well, they're not, they're not going anywhere. That's the point I'm trying to make. They're not going anywhere.

Anyone who's screaming, anyone who's screaming, oh, we're sending the blacks back to Africa, you sound like a libertarian saying, just end the state, bro. They're not going anywhere. So how do we deal with them in the future? At a distance and being well armed. That's how you deal with them. And, right, like Donald Trump should. Well, you're talking about secession.

And when you start talking about secession, the people who are like, well, you, that means you're getting away from the cities and the cities is where all the power is, bro. And secession just means that China is going to come in and they're going to take over and you'll just be, you'll be as slaves to Chinese now and everything. People, I mean, this is shit that I see like literally. People I know and I like, people I've had on my show say stuff like that. It's like, oh, you're going to, you can't have secession to get away from people and start your own and do your own thing because either you're going to be wacoed.

or, you know, the Chinese will own you in 10 years. Well, okay, two things to that. First of all, like, if there's someone who's thought more about cities and what it means to live in a city and how to build a beautiful city in our thing than me, I want to meet that guy because I have stuff to learn. But secondly, if you're going to... The Chinese might take over, say, Washington State or California,

they already in some large measure control the democratic operative or democratic parties in those states they're at least interested in a functioning society to to colonize they don't they don't want like do they put up with the monkey shines in Africa no they show up they put up they put up with a certain amount of nonsense when the Africans aren't capable of delivering what do they do they parachute in you know 20,000 Chinese single guys and those guys take over I'm not saying I would like the Chinese to take over I'm saying the Chinese have a certain amount of interest in like competent governance and in a future where Pax America is no longer a thing like this whole war in India in Pakistan um was over, you know, I believe the Ganges, the course of the Ganges, do you think that, you know, resources are going to get cheaper in the future as there, you know, nine billion people on Earth? They're not. So in a, in a world where the U.S. Navy is no longer ruling the waves and securing the trade routes,

you know, deal with the reality in front of you. Chinese, you know, satrippies in, you know, Los Angeles, they'd probably provide better services than the present state of California. Honestly. Because the Chinese wouldn't tolerate the homeless. Seattle under Chinese domination would probably smell better. Live in the world you're actually in. And, you know, like, will the ideology of like,

I don't want to be ruled over by foreigners. You're ruled over by foreigners now. Go back to the beginning of this conversation. Who's actually in charge of America? Well, then they say, well, we don't want to be ruled over by those people. It's like, okay, well, then how are you going to stop it? Everybody wants to talk about, you know, how, put it this way. What I see is what a lot of people make fun of boomers for or normies, oh, we're just going to, if we vote the right person.

We're going to vote someone in and they're going to make everything better. I mean, isn't that exactly what a lot of people who are like, well, secession isn't the answer or thinking? We just got to vote the right person in, bro, and then he'll clean it up as going to have the Protestant Franco. And it's going to, you're not going to believe what's going to happen here. Well, that sounds just like wishcasting. Like that's something you, that you, that you, hope happens, but is outside the realm of reality.

So what do you do? If that's outside the realm of reality, and once you accept it, and I know it's hard for people to accept, because a lot of people are just completely in denial, then you have to accept the fact that you may need to start over. And the best way to start over would be, like, organizing away from from other people.

And that may be, just may be something that would look like secession, whether it be de facto or whatever. But the idea that you're going to take back, I mean, take back a city. Oh, Republicans are going to take back Atlanta. Okay, when was the last time Atlanta was Republican?

It has been a while. It's been a while. It's entrenched. Oh, did Detroit had a Republican mayor? Oh, and did he fix anything? Is Detroit like a thriving metropolis now? No. I mean,

this is the problem with people who are too ideologically possessed. And I'll be quiet after this, but I just get so annoyed with this because I have studied cities and how they work and how they function and what they mean in politics and all sorts of things. this exact issue for like 15 years. Okay. The only way, the only way to change a city that has gone to the dogs is like a complete disaster,

like a Hurricane Katrina level event and authoritarian government, period. There's no city I know of that has turned around. on like purely democratic means where everyone was respected. Right, purely democratic means because someone will bring up Berlin and you're going to, and it's going to be like, okay. Yeah, when when Gerbels was Galli Tier or could have pronounced, but when he was when he was the leader of Berlin, was he in charge? Or did he have to like listen to a bunch of different people and get votes and city council?

he just in charge and could he clean it Berlin? Did he have 200 pounds she boons like nipping at his heels and telling him what he needs to do? Yeah, I don't, I don't think so. But D.E., American cities are going to be, American cities can be like that. Really? No. No. Really?

No, they can't. No, they can't for all kinds of reasons. And if you think they can and you've been listening to this show or me for any length of time, You obviously have heard what I said, but you weren't listening. There is a city in Texas right now that's, I think, it's half Hispanic, that $4.4 million of their income every year is being sent to Israel. Who's fixing that? Who's fixing that? And if somebody does fix that, maybe someone gets elected and fixes that.

What happens to the next person who gets elected? Do you under, do people not understand the fucking problem here? The problem isn't, oh, you know, we have all these special interest groups. Well, yeah, that is part of the problem. Part of the problem is ethnic groups are going to, every ethnic group except whites is allowed to get together and lobby for anything they want. But the main problem is, is the fact that you can elect the great, you can elect, I mean, look at, Sweden. Up into a certain point, around 1950, early 50s, Sweden was this thriving ethno state that had free markets and they were wealthy as hell. And then what do they do? Well, they decided, well,

there are some people who are poor here. So we're going to start a, we're going to have a, like a welfare state. okay well people need to be taken care of but also if you don't police that thing and make sure people who are being taken care of or actually needs to be taken care of that's going to go off the that's going to go off the rails and then what happened they didn't gatekeep so eventually they were overrun by friggin savages now they didn't choose for that to happen but they're not doing anything about it and i've heard people recently say who've been travel who've traveled through europe that the southern part of Sweden, like Malmo, right over from Copenhagen, is the most dangerous place in Europe.

How the fuck does that happen? It happens because my democracy and, you know, entrenched interests and not gatekeeping and not doing everything, not understanding that all, order is a precious thing. And once you lose it, the possibility of getting it back is almost impossible. The one group that did that in the 20th century, the whole world declared war on them.

So what are your, what do you think you think you're going to take over a city? I'm not talking about like a town. I'm talking about a city of 25,000 people. You can take over Atlanta? You can take over Chicago, New York City, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, where all the power comes from? How are you going to do that?

How are you going to do that? Oh, well, we're going to read the Battle for Berlin by Joseph Gide and we're going to do exactly what he? Good luck with that. Good luck with that. Sorry to be a downer. I'm not one of these people who says everything is a black person. I have an answer. I have answers.

I have things that we can do. Most people don't want to fucking hear them, though. Because they've been, I mean, they turn into civic nationalists as soon as you start recommending something that goes against their programming. Anybody is free to disagree with me and tell me where I'm wrong. I respect you guys. I don't think you're wrong on anything necessarily. Pete, I just trying to be.

thoughtful in trying to see where the best way to kind of come alongside the discussion is. And I would say that, one, to step back to an earlier point you raised, things were better when we had the availability of extrajudicial discipline, when you could actually take care of your community and you didn't need to rely on air quotes wherever the power was, where the power was firmly in your hands and in your community's hands. That's when things were better and to kind of address the larger macro point that I, if I'm understanding you correctly, that you're making, what people fail to understand on the whole is that order does not stem from prosperity. Prosperity stems from order. If you cannot have order, then you will not have prosperity. The preponderance of human history,

life has been nasty and brutish and short. Only when man decided to take the reins and to actually impose order, do things get better? Does prosperity start to flow from that? If you expect prosperity to just manifest, I don't know what to tell you, because even the Bible would disagree with that. Even the collected wisdom of the ages would disagree with that.

Because as any devout Catholic will tell you, we live in a fallen world. Goodness will not just spring out of nothingness. That doesn't happen. So you kind of address your larger point that I please correct me if I misunderstand you. But the issue at hand now is we need to establish order in whatever areas we can and form it. from there and from thence will prosperity be possible. But even then, it's a long road to it. As regarding the cities, some of the points you raised during the cities,

you said that there are people that approach you with, well, that's where the power is. You can't let go of the power in the cities. First off, well, we don't have them already. The power is already out of our hands. And second off, what power are we talking about? I ask that in good faith and genuine. genuinely. What power are we talking about? They can't, they obviously can't even manage themselves. Or if they do, it's only to the barest degrees. It's a matter of fact, our own illustrious,

Dark and Lightman has said countless times, I think literally every city in America is broke. Literally every single one. Please correct me if I'm wrong, Dee, but I believe every single one of them is broke. And obviously many to degrees that are just completely, completely unsalvageable. So these things are all just going to collapse under their own weight, either economically, demographically, what have you. They're all going to collapse under their own. And all of these people, these problems, are going to starve themselves out of existence. So, I mean, does that mean we just run away and hide? I'm not necessarily saying that, but I am saying that to your point, that we just have to establish order where we have it and understand that it's it's going to be a long road

so you gentlemen can take the torch really i mean i might be i may be right i might be wrong i might be right or it might be wrong technically speaking i haven't done an analysis of every single city in america but i have looked at you know chicago los angeles the top 20 and every one of them is is in trouble and not doing anything to fix it and you know listen to previous programs that Peter and I have been together about why this is a problem or other programs have done. But to Charles's point, right? Like, I'm not the only person who does this, looks at, you know, reads that he leaves and sees this fiscal catastrophe in the future. I think when you could read an actual aerial table would know this sort of thing is a problem

in the future. And they don't do anything about it. Well, why not? Well, the answer is, right? either, as Jose says, you know, the occupying government is more concerned with, you know, what's going on in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem than here, or, democratically,

you know, the population that's in Seattle just doesn't care because they'll be dead then, or they need to get reelected, or they need their free heroin right now in three years. So you know that this is an impending disaster. Get away from it.

Yeah, and people take that as like running away or seating ground. It's like you don't, seeding ground would imply that you have some ground right now politically. What, I'm sorry, what do you have? Was anybody listening to this have? I guarantee you anyone listening to this who has like political power, has it locally. And that just goes right back to what I was saying. I'm sick and tired of hearing people, even people that I like and respect. And I love telling me that, oh, no, you just can't see.

You can't just run away. Well, first of all, it's not running away. Running away would be running away implies you're running and doing nothing and just hiding. No, you're going and building. And that's another problem is people don't want to do that. I mean, people don't want to read a book. You tell people that, people like, oh, where did you get that information? Well, it's in this book.

Well, can you, no, read the book. Well, I don't have time to do that. Well, I guess you don't have time to, you know, do what needs to be done in order to survive and thrive either. And, I mean, that's not even me being rude or shitting on you. That's me saying that, I mean, something needs to be done about that. You're going to have to figure out a way to do that, a way to do that, a way to, free do something

that allows you to survive especially if you have a family if you have a family and you live anywhere near a city right now man God help you I'm sorry Trump's not saving the day God help you live within a hundred miles of Atlanta

like take the most fuel efficient car you can and be away more than one tank away from from Atlanta because that's your radius of like bad things will happen to you. Yeah, I was in Atlanta. I just went to the airport last week. In order to drive through the airport, to get to the airport,

you have to go through some neighborhoods. These are neighborhoods that you're just like, how can people live like this? And then you realize, oh, the only reason the neighborhoods are like this is because of the people who live there. They prefer. Yeah, it's not socioeconomic factors. This is the way they want it.

Well, it wouldn't be that way if it wasn't for the government, bro. We just got rid of the government. Everything would be better. You think you want to live in a world where there isn't it even like just a little bit of a threat from a state when these people exist? What the fuck's wrong with you? I don't get it. I still have on Twitter when I got my account back that I hadn't, that was suspended

for two years. There's still a lot of libertarians that follow me from way back in the day. They still think this way. They went through the last five years. of through COVID and then through the Biden presidency, seeing what was happening, seeing how the state was just taken out their enemies. And they're like,

and you know, what would be the best, if the state is your enemy, what's the best thing you can do? Well, try to mitigate your, your interactions with them as possible. Or maybe,

maybe set up a plan where you can get your own guys elected? You know, because if the state's a gang, you know, and I think Charlie, Charlemagne had a, had a tweet a few years ago where he said libertarians are completely right. The state's a bunch of gangsters. What they don't get is that you want to be those gangsters or else you're at their whim. And if you can't do it and if you're probably not going to be able to do it, you know, on the federal level, but local's sitting right there. A lot of people, a lot of people have gone local and been able to control their town

and get things prevented from happening in their town that, you know, that they didn't want drag queen story out or books and libraries, yada, yada, whatever. There are answers out there. The problem is, is you're going to have to do something. You're going to have to do something. And a lot of people either don't want to do that for ideological reasons or they don't really have the time to do that. And I would say that the people who really want to get out of their situation, but they

don't have the time to because they're working that hard for their family, click up with people who are looking to do this. You don't have to be a leader. You don't have to put all your time. into it. But fucking save yourself and save your family. Because, you know, just as there was a, you know, you read in the Old Testament, and then there came a pharaoh who didn't know who Joseph was, well, there's going to come a time when

Donald Trump or whoever, whomever you think is your hero is not going to be in there. And it's going to be someone worse than, you know, put it this way. There's going to be no one standing in the way of the people who are, have been in this managerial state or deep state or whatever you want to call it. No one was holding them back for four years in 2020 to 2020. The whole time Donald Trump was president the first time, they were in charge. which was worse. It was worse under Biden because somebody was there to actually, like, stop them from coming and attacking and coming after us. As soon as Biden took power, they came after us.

What do you think you think it's going to be better than next time? Biden wasn't compassed for at least three years of his presidency. What do you think? What do you think with someone who act? When AOC is the president in eight years, you think she's going to forget all the people who trolled her on Twitter? Yeah, and I remind this, I told people this on my live stream a few weeks ago, and people were, you know, they don't want to believe me.

If you think you're in a non on Twitter and the state doesn't know who you are, you're retarded. Now, I'd be, you know, what I think you worry more about, people worry more about on Twitter is like some Antifa fucks or something like that, finding out who you are and coming after you. If you're in anon, the state knows who you are. Israel has this frigging software where they can docks anybody, basically. If you're on social media and they want to target you, they're going to know who. you are. So what happens the next time your enemy gets in charge?

You can't delete that account. You can delete it, but all the data is still there. Well, maybe start making your plans now. Because Trump or somebody to hold them off is not always going to be there. And there are still people who are being targeted, even with Trump being in office. So take that for what you will. It's not a, people will say it's a black pill. I don't think so.

It's reality. You have to make, you know, you have to figure out the best way to get through in past reality. The best way to deal with reality. I have some ideas. I think I have some answers, but they have to be implemented. And, I mean, I think I've done a fairly. decent job so far, but, you know, that's a lot of what the old glory club is about, too. So, you know, we're not forgetting about the national politics, but it's not the most important

thing at this point. Well, I hate to keep repeating this line, but it's nevertheless true, right? Like, A.A., the one American spiritual contribution to the world, we'll see what Leo the 14th is capable of. But the first step is admitting you have a problem, right? Like so many people in and out of our thing want to pretend that everything is okay or that things aren't as bad as they are. Look, our roads looked like the dark side of the moon.

I was recently on a major highway outside of a major city. And you would have thought I was on like a dirt road in like north Mississippi with how full of potholes this thing was. And until you accept that like certain things are just not going to function in the future. You're going to, you know, and putting your money or your time or your energy into anything that feeds the present system is just a waste of time. You know, not only is there the, what, $30 trillion in debt, how many hundreds of trillions in unfunded liabilities are there? How many, how many major banks are actually insolvent when you take a real look at their books? right Nina Jankowicz the

you know the crazy theater kid lady who was going to be in charge of censorship for the internet stormy made this great point on your recent show Pete she's not out of power she just moved locations I think she's working for the EU now right yeah right so I'm sure there was like deputy assistant

undersecretaries of of you know underwater basket we've even that got fired from the Trump administration. You think they didn't find a job at the UN or some NGO the next week, Osoros NGO? Of course they did. And, you know, no one on the right wants to put their money. They want to make money, right?

Elon Musk wants to make money. The reason he, you know, joined the Trump administration as much he did is he realized that, like, being a chubby nerd with hundreds of millions of dollars or billions of dollars in a world where, you know, electricity's intermittent is only a great way to, like, have people beat you up and get eaten. And so he likes a world where the, like, electricity runs and, and, you know, civilization hangs on because then he gets to be a rich dude

with lots of cool stuff. But, like, when there's no electricity, he's from South Africa. When there's no electricity, his Tesla is useless. So he understands the stakes, at least. But he's still trying to make money. You know, Tucker Carlson's part of the Swanson TV dinner family fortune. He has real money. Has he done anything?

There's no one in American, on the American right, wants to actually win. They want to perpetuate the system that has allowed them to be successful. And they don't understand that that system by its very nature will eventually eat them and their kids and everything else that matters. So you can't depend on them and you got to build outside of it. Right. I like Victor Orban quite a bit. I think he's probably one of the best leaders in the world right now. But Rod Dreher, the traitorous scumbag, American conservative, was given a job.

the Danube Institute and given a spot in in his country by Victor Orban you know, Victor Orban should know better. He should know that Roder is scum. He should know that Roderoyer is a coward and untrustworthy. But he doesn't because he's conservative. And that's the problem. It's like until like somebody like Thomas is given a job at a think tank, you can't trust think tanks because they, they want, maintains.

system that has put them in a position where they have a cool office in downtown dc a couple blocks from the capital you know cato has a really nice building in washington dc it's huge takes up like half a city block why would cato tell the truth about anything yeah that's one of the biggest one of the biggest issues that we we have is is that the capture when And people who could, you know, formerly or could do a great job of exposing the things that need to be exposed, they start getting a paycheck. And start having, you know, more money than they've ever had possibly. And they're just, they have to do, you know, and then you have to take into account the people who, you know, run those. Glenn Lowry was a fellow at the Manhattan Institute.

And he got a two-paragraph email saying that he no longer worked at the Manhattan Institute. And why? Because he said that what was happening in Gaza was a crime. It was a war crime. Was genocide. who runs that who runs a manhattan institute who funds that manhattan institute paul singer who's on the board bill crystal i mean

and the manhattan institute is one of the better ones out there because the other ones who are higher heather bernal and they'll admit that you know like sometimes negroes are just dumb that's not like they're edgy for saying that this is not this is not uh the reason foundation or heritage or AEI or anything like that. This is the Manhattan Institute. They're edgy.

They, they, they, they'll talk to Ann Coulter and Helen McDonald. They'll publish, um, life at the bottom. I don't remember. Who's that? No, it was a British guy who was a psychologist who, um, anyway, like, they're, they're among the better establishment think tanks in America. But, you know, sovereign is he who just, the exception, right? And Glennon Lowry walked up to the sovereign and said, nah, fam,

and then he found out who was in charge real quick. Yeah, I mean, I remember Chris Rufo, Manaton Institute. He wrote an article about Charleroy, Pennsylvania. And in that article, he mentioned that the group that was showing up the, that helped all those. Haitians get in there to take over the town basically was part of Jewish family services. And when that article came out, I was kind of shocked. I was like, this is weird. But then what happened a week later? Something that never happened before.

Chris Rufo went on Twitter and started talking about how much of a problem anti-Semitism was on the right. We need our own think tanks. you know, need our own everything. Because if not, I mean, what happens? You get, you, inevitably people are going to be in the hierarchical structure. They're going to be under somebody who is going to tell them, well, you can't say that. You can't tell the truth. You can't, you're not allowed to mention highest.

you're not allowed to mention JFS. You can't say those things. And that just basically you're, you know, what happens to your credibility after that? I choose to censor myself sometimes, but I do it to myself. And I do it for what I think are strategic reasons. I could be wrong. But I do it out of strategy because I think. I think I'm playing a game.

I think this goes way beyond waking some people up on Twitter. And sometimes there are things that I shouldn't say. Maybe I should just say everything, but it's what I think. It's how I, but no one's telling me to do that. I'm doing it myself. I'm doing it myself. And I'm doing it for a reason. I'm not doing it because.

of a paycheck and I'm not doing it because someone's telling me not to. People want to believe that they have quote unquote right wing based right wing leadership out there who are willing to talk about how men are really men and women or women and they may even have some roles. You know, their roles that only men should have and only women should have. so based, but they're not willing to talk about how society even got to the point where you had to have that conversation, where you have to say something so obvious and who might be responsible for it and where that comes from.

And the fact that there's a history of it that doesn't go back 50 years, but it goes back centuries. I don't know. I don't know. I don't think saying these things is brave. I think saying these things is just, you know, you want to speak the truth and you want people to know. And, you know, you want people to be able to,

if enough people have the truth and know exactly how the game is being played and what they're up against, then they can make their own decisions about the best way of going forward. And if they want help with that, you know, all they have to do is ask. Well, the most important thing that you can do for yourself right now, right isn't get another argument on Twitter it isn't um going to prove how based you are in group chat it's position yourself to be better off no matter what like if Donald Trump like hypothetically right becomes an article to president tomorrow and just starts deporting tens of

thousands of people per day gets the court's in order ends you you know, DEI and affirmative action and does, repeals Griggs VDIC power, whatever, you know, pie in this guy thing that you want to say he was doing and you're upset with him because he hasn't done that thing, right? Well, okay. How'd you take advantage of it? What would you do?

Valm Trump did everything you wanted. What would you do to take advantage of it? Contrastly, if Kamala Harris was in president right now and was like literally hunting. down people for mean tweets, which, let's be honest, she would be. What would you do? I think a lot of those things would be the same. You'd get out of debt. You'd, you know, get some skills. You'd, you know, whatever it is that you're doing, you'd find some bros. You'd work out. I mean, whatever it is that you're doing, that's good, do that.

be outcome independent of who's in charge in Washington. Because right now, anywhere in America, if 10 guys show up to a school board meeting and complain about the same thing, if you have 10 bros, so 11 of you walk into the school board meeting, everyone's dressed, dressed, you know, respectively, but not like obviously wearing a uniform.

You sit in a bunch of different spots, so you don't all sitting together. And you complain about the same thing. thing, the people who are in the school board are going to feel like that's a hundred people or a thousand people that are upset about that particular thing. It might just be you and your 10 bros that are upset about that one thing. But they're going to think that thousands of people are mad about this because 10 people bother to show up and complain.

Get to the point where you have 10 bros that will show up to the school board meeting on Thursday night at 6 o'clock. and then you can actually accomplish some stuff. You know, put an addition on your house, having 10 bros show up there with framing hammers, you can knock that bad boy out in a day. Buy a couple pizzas, get a couple beers, a couple sixers of beer,

have a bro's show up and help you out. Knock out the framing on that edition. One Saturday, done. Get into a position where the regime can't hurt you. Then if it tries, you have friends that will help you out. Anybody got comments? I personally think that just real quick

there needs to just obviously be a like 1,000 flowers like Bloom type of approach where people are just going to have to rely on their strengths and some people will absolutely dominate with regards to political organization at the

local level and then some people may are unfortunately have to be stuck in cities but like get skills make money and then use that those resources to buy land and build networks but the one thing that people have to avoid is becoming another like atomized individual that whose whole life is marked by mindless consumerism people need to break the cycle of atomization and deracination and start building communities, networking with people, because these are the most valuable assets you can have in this society marked by just nihilism and just loneliness. So people need to just deal, work with the hand that's been dealt with it to them and just go from there.

This is going to be a reconquista, a long slog, but you have to have, like, sight of the bigger picture. Yeah, I would co-sign everything you just said, Jose. Absolutely. It's a long slog. It's a reconquist, as we said earlier. And I would also add to kind of tie up a few of the threads that all of us have mentioned. Even indeed talking about 10 bros, just get together for this. Look what you can accomplish in just a day. I mean, I remember when I did that, I had a whole deck done in a Saturday afternoon. But I mean, even if you don't want to take that far, if you don't want to look that far ahead or take that large an effort upon yourself. yourself start small that book that Pete said read that go to the gym when was the last time you went to the gym hell when was the last time you walked around to park okay when was the last time you threw a punch when was the last time you hit it hit a hit a bag a speed bag a heavy bag anything whereas Jose said stop being atomized when's the last time you called a friend

instead of a friend calling you I'm not saying you have to conquer the whole world I'm not saying you have to retake Portland, just stop being atomized and start moving towards something beyond your cell phone screen, something beyond your internet connection. You don't have to, you don't have to conquer the world, just take a few steps in the right direction. They can be small. When I, to go back to a point you raised earlier, Pete, when we were fortunate enough to get Trump in in 2016, what did I do? Got together some friends and bought land. bullets, what firearms started going to the gym again hard. Now, I'm never going to be 22 again.

Obviously, that's just not going to happen. It's impossible. But you know what? I could not. I don't have to be. I don't have to be a fat, slob, 50-something-year-old guy that doesn't know what the inside of a gym looks like or hasn't lifted a weight in 20 years. I can control that. I can't roll back the clock, but I can control that.

what did I do? I made use of the time. Did I make mistakes? Sure I did. Pete and I were just talking. I didn't pick the best ground to try and grow things on. Okay. All right. I faltered. But I still moved in a direction. And what I have discovered over the course of my life is it's a lot easier to change direction than it is to gain momentum than it is to start moving. So just start moving and then change directions as necessary. That's my piece on that, gentlemen. Yeah, I realize that a lot of people tune into these episodes for to hear us rag on this, you know, this regime, the controllers of the regime, you know, minorities, yada, all crime, whatever. Sorry, going to need an episode every once in a while, we're going to have to start looking in the mirror.

I know people don't want to hear that. I know it hurts when I'm confronted, when I have someone confront me about something, you know, probably normally my wife, I don't want to hear it. But self-examination is, it's really important, and it's what mature people do, and it's what people who,

responsibility is how to even start to call yourself a right wing if you're not a responsible human to yourself and to your family. It just doesn't make any sense. So, you know, I apologize for making this about, if you're listening to this and I made it about you or you think I'm talking to you, my apologies. But I need to hear it every once in a while. and so does everybody. And I hope a lot of it made sense because, you know, I've, I have a tendency to ramble

and stumble over my words sometimes. I understand that. I understand that I, you know, I understand that I stutter. It's funny when people point that out and they think that I don't know. Yeah, I have a tendency to do that. It's okay. You're my favorite stuttering retarded, Pete. That stuttering prick.

I think you make a very good point. And the point isn't that, you know, oh, woe is me, we're all going to lose and everything that's going to go down and, you know, fire and brimstone. With all that in mind, right, but the system rate against the judicial system being a joke, the deep state, whatever thing you took away from this evening, let that be a lesson to you that whatever comes next can't let this happen again. right if Donald Trump manages to fix everything great but also remember like there was this one judge in like you know federal district court that like totally destroyed like nearly destroyed the Trump presidency you know the North Carolina senator who should know better right didn't try to fix it why not okay well that's the you know to the extent that options are are fixable or things are fixable right use this

conversation to give you ideas about how to fix things. And to the extent that things aren't fixable, uses this conversation to, you know, like Charles said, you know, it's much easier to change direction than build momentum. So take the whatever momentum you've got and channel it in a,

in a productive direction. If, if, you know, the politics side isn't working, you know, go to the community building side of things. Build your business.

Save some money. Do whatever it is that you need to do. that keeps that momentum up. Anyone else got some closing comments? We'll keep this one at a decent length. We have a tendency to make everyone almost go two hours. Jose, you got any closing anything to say? I just want to reiterate the importance of people

just starting to build networks in whichever way possible. It's not going to be a uniform strategy. and I also would advise them to just look at history to read up on not just historical political movements but also within kind of like the nationalist right, Natshawk movements and all that to just ensure that they're not repeating mistakes of the past and then also seeing like if they can find moderate successes and try to implement them or replicate them or even update them to the current context. I think that's very important.

That's like the most productive work you could do and contribute whichever way you can. You don't have to be an activist. You could be like a donor. You could be somebody that provides infrastructure. But the very important thing is that people start connecting and building these networks because that's what ultimately wins

because politics is at the end of the day about interconnected human relations. But what I wanted to add to what Jose was just talking about, where multiple things, when it comes to the old glory club, if you start a chapter, there are some rules that you have to follow. But you can, you know, chapters in different areas. Different areas are having different issues. That's the way you deal with it. You figure out what you need. We'll help you all you can if you ask.

But, you know, we have chapters right now that are just, Alabama chapter. is off on its own. We're doing our own thing and it's fantastic. And I know the Montana chapter is the same way. These guys are just killing it doing two different, two totally different things, but just concentrating on what's most important in their area because that's what you can control at this point. And this was most important because that's where you live. The overwhelming majority of people, you know, 99, more than 99% of people closer to 100% of people are never going to have an interaction with a federal agent. You have to concentrate on your local area. That's what's most important. So I just want to say a couple things very briefly, and then I'll

let Dee say his piece. But briefly, I recall calling you actually, Pete, when I was leaving the doctor's office one day because you had said something at the end of the program and forgive me if I get it wrong slightly or if I accidentally put words in your mouth. But I recall I contacted you and I said, hey, Pete, I just want to say on the side that I respect you a great deal as a fighter for all you do and that I really felt a kinship with you. You may recall this, this voice message that I sent you and I said that you do this basically to cut to the chase out of love. And I said, I feel very much the same way. And I said that that's one of the reasons that I really appreciate you having me on.

And I was happy to learn that we had that one thing in common. I think we have other things in common, but I think that's the most important thing. So that being said, that being my segue to my point here, I'm going to put words in your mouth and I forgive me if they're wrong. But gentlemen, if you're still listening to me, I would say this, nothing Pete said today was a black pill. What you have to understand that is, is that's just cold water on your face. He's not trying to demoralize you. He's trying to get you to wake up a little bit, get you to see that there are some issues. It's not, nobody is kicking you when you're down.

Nobody is saying, you know, you just got a man up. None of that nonsense. We're just saying that you have to see the world. world for what it is. We're saying that you have to understand the world you live in and that you have to take appropriate measures to get yourself out of trouble because we can't do it for you. We shouldn't do it for you, frankly, because it's just part of growing up. It's part of living. It's part of learning. It's part of maturing. But that is what I, that's what I'm here to do. And I suspect that's what Pete's here to do today. Just some cold water in the face, but also that hopeful reminder that

there are other men out there that are here whenever you need help and just reach out. Don't be atomized like Jose had said. Learn to reach out. Learn to talk to each other. I'm not saying become a charity case, but try and carry yourself as much as you can. And when you need help, seek it and seek it. So thank you very much for having me on Pete. And I wish all your listeners the best.

Of course, Charles. This show isn't thought crime, send you get without you. So, um, D.E. You have anything you want to finish with or, um, just my usual, you know, free man be on the wall slash donate. Go to go to Jose's substack, subscribe to the American Free Press by Charles's books. Dreams didn't get the all ofism, you know, check out my program on fundamental principle. Um, you know, just support the people to support you. Um, and, uh, thank you so much for having me again, Pete. It's always a pleasure. You are welcome.

We are the Thought Crime Syndicate, and when one of us is gone, it seems like there's a piece of us is missing. So, yeah, thank you guys for being able to do this. I appreciate it. The Thought Crime Syndicate is back. It has been 48 hours since Israel does what it does. And today is also, quote unquote, no King's Day. So who wants to start? Come on, Dee, you got this one.

Fire it off. Let's go. Well, of course, there was another airline disaster right before we do the show because that's just what happens. But it's going to get worse, fellas. It's going to get worse. That's all I have to say about the Air India thing. Is that another Air India crash? Does it just happen?

Yeah, like two days ago. There was a flight to London right. after it took off. It looks like it was double engine failure. And then jet fuel might not steal beams, but it makes a dandy fireball when you crash with a full plane. So, yeah, it's, I think it said something like there was like 150, 159 Indian, Indian citizens and another 75 Brits, which that means that they're all Indian. Yeah, that was my suspicion. Yeah. Are there any Brits left?

Jump in, anyone. Yeah, go ahead. I mean, like, I don't know what to tell you. It's not going to get better. Like, you're going to get to the point where flying is going to be back to the sort of risks you took in the 20s and 30s where a commercial plane, you know, had not an unreasonable chance of not making it to your destination. So you're going to have to start weighing that whether or not it's worth flying or not, especially internationally on certain airlines. Yeah, a lot of things seem to be coming to ahead this week with the whole astro turrets. No Kings protests and then the shit that's jumping off in the Middle East.

Yeah. I think we could be in for a really nasty Suez crisis moment for the United States where if the United States comes out on the wrong end of it, not only is it's like imperial project pretty much going to be on the back foot for a long time, but also we could be seeing the first, like, well, actually, know, like the next stage in the socioeconomic decline of the U.S., not just from, like, the generic per capita GDP figures, but also just quality of life infrastructure not functioning and all of that.

Yeah, I think we finally run out of civilizational capital. I mean, it's pretty obvious now at this point that high trust has been gone for quite some time. And there's no sign of it coming back in any kind of. large scale movement. We're just way too fractured. I think the inertia that we've made use of for so long, the civilizational fumes we've been running on, they're just, they're obviously out now. They're obviously out. There's just violence in pretty much every city at this point. I think what stuns me the most about everything that I'm witnessing these days is I find it hard to believe that there were more and greater and deeper differences in this country.

in 1860 and 1861 than there are right now. I've really found that almost impossible to believe because I just don't see any kind of common ground anywhere. And I think that's one of the horrors of our times is in order to find any kind of common ground, you've now got to go to the internet. It's so hard to even find people in your local area. We're just so fractured.

The only thing that is understandable for me from an 18... Worth this, Bennett. No, please, go ahead. I was going to say, we're really, like, I can give you some parallels to the Spanish Civil War just from recently. Reconquista, there were parts of Spain that were, you know, they wanted to break away anarchists. You know, the only problem with the reconquista here is they're like, oh, this used to belong to Mexico. You know, this was ours. No, that belonged to Spain.

I'm sorry. They're Europeans. You're not. You cannot handle civilization. You cannot handle governance. That's why you have a Jew as a president. And that's why the cartels are running things. Also, you have politicians being assassinated now for not voting for health care for migrants.

Yeah, I'm always torn over politicians getting assassinated because, unfortunately in the world we live in, that is just something that is going, is something that you have to worry about. They literally voted for this, though. I mean, aren't the Jewish Democrats from Minnesota? Like, this is what you voted for. You voted for, you,

you voted for violence. You, you voted for there are no, not being any rules any longer. I mean, no rules means no rules. rules. This is not the game I wanted to play. This is not something that I thought would be a great idea. But these people are the ones who voted for no rules. So you're getting what you asked for. When you turned the occupying government turned our country into a polygolat imperial mess where everyone

else lives off the labor and capital, social, political, religious, moral capital of the white European. and they've just taken from us to the point where we don't have any extra, and now you're getting to deal with the consequences. Like, can you name a single major issue in America today from drugs to crime to, I mean, foreign policies and mess, we'll talk about that. But, you know, like, this is all downstream of Jewish occupation. Well, when you say they're doing what you asked for. Yeah, when you say they voted for no rules, I mean, that's the worst part of it.

You're exactly correct. That is what they voted for because they don't want. What they thought they were voting for, I suspect. What they thought they were voting for was no restrictions. They can just do whatever they want when they want. And I understand where you're coming from, where you're saying they voted for no rules. But I'm being pedantic here for a very specific reason. I think they voted for no restrictions because they don't understand that civilization requires restrictions.

It requires rules. And they can't differentiate the two. They just think I can do whatever I want and the magic will. still happen. And it's a very, in a way, it's a very feminine way of thinking. Like, things just happen. We just have phones. We just have planes. We just have electricity. It's like, no, no, we don't. I mean, well, the argument could be made, we do have electricity, but I mean, harnessed electricity. No, we don't. Those things have to be crafted. Those things have to be built. Those things have to be manufactured. And most of all, D, to bang a drum that you've been drumming

since I met you, that takes work. That takes time. And most of all, that takes your big word, maintenance. These things don't just fall from the sky. And not only do they not just fall from the sky, they have to be maintained. It's one thing if the Lord drops manna from heaven and feeds you. It's another if the Lord drops cell phones and you still have to maintain the network. You still have to recharge the battery, et cetera.

So I think to me, that's really. really what the sticking point is. These people just are not, they are constitutionally incapable of understanding that these things require maintenance. And that's why everything is falling apart. They are not magic. But we've imported cargo cult cultures

that think that if they just make a wicker basket look like an airplane, it'll fly. I mean, we've basically been under occupation by a group that doesn't, you know, they have no loyalties but to themselves. And even most of them don't have what would slit each other's throats for, for power and for influence. So it doesn't really matter. You know, I've been going over the book against our better judgment by Allison Weir on,

on my substack. I mean, keeping it private. I released a few episodes publicly. But it's just, I mean, it's one of those books where you read it and you're like, it's one of those books people will read and be like, oh, this is just conspiracy. theories. It's like, no, they had two, like, radical Zionist Supreme Court judges in, like, the 20s and 30s. They had secret societies where Jews and Gentiles had to swear an oath of allegiance to them, even over their own families, so that means over their own country, too. And, you know,

ever since World War II, which is their, you know, what they needed in order to get what they wanted, you know, this country in the Middle East that they refused to go to, everything's fallen apart. And I have a tendency to be one of those people who believes that civilizations are either going to, all civilizations are going to fail or they're going to have transition. They're going to have transition phases. I think this is a transition phase and we'll come out on the other side better. but you know we need to understand that we we've basically we've been run by people

they've run our banking and our institutions and academia and our entertainment and everything for you know close to 80 years now and until we get past that until we decide we decide that we're not going to allow that until we decide that we're going to become like them and we're going to organize and be insular and not let other people in, this isn't going to be defeated because politics isn't going to solve it. There is no great man coming to save us. No great man is going to come and save a multicultural something. The only great men you've seen in the past who've come to save anything have come to save monocultures. There's no great man coming to save us.

Not only is there no great man coming, even if he wanted to, like Donald Trump could have been a great man, but he let these, his, I don't know, if he's on the Epstein plane and there's pictures of him with 12-year-old girls or he's just a file a semi, or just a boomer or what. I think those pictures, I think those pictures would have came, the Democrats would have released those pictures in the last four years. I tend to believe that if they existed, they'd be out there. Well, regardless, right, the correct response. from Donald Trump, if he'd actually listen to his base and done what he wanted to do,

or done the right thing, would have been, you know, like we're, we're not supporting Israel, genocide in Gaza. We're not supporting, you know, we're not giving the money to blow up Iranian kids. We're not giving them money to blow up Russian kids. You know, they would have cut off the funding. They would have stopped all that immediately and said, stop the senseless killing and stopped the war.

But Donald Trump, you know, to his everlasting shame, has done what Woodrow Wilson did and what FDR did and lied about being a pro-piece candidate in order to get ordinary Americans who retired of seeing, you know, specialist John Smith Parkway because, you know, a kid from Kentucky got to go get his ass blown off

in the Middle East again or something. And those people voted for him hoping he'd stop this. and he's done nothing but lie and support these people. And now we're on the verge of World War III. You know, Vladimir Putin is not a stupid man. Maybe not a nice man, but not a stupid man. And the same logistical corridor that supplied 40 divisions where the food and material from the Caucasus in World War II

is being threatened right now when the United States and Israel go to war with Iran. And you can't threaten him in Ukraine and as a little of, where that's his main outlet to the world ocean and his main source of exports and also threaten Iran, which is his other way to get, you know, out to out to the world market and then expect them to just take it lying down. Pete, if I threatened to take 40% of your money at a swoop, we'd fight. Well, you can't take 40% of China's oil that they get from Iran and expect them to just, like, sit there and take it. This is between the war in Ukraine, which has disturbing, disturbing parallels to the German situation in 1938 and the, you know, attempted destruction of China with tariffs and sanctions and threatening their energy and raw materials. like we're in the same situation except we're on the you know the other foot this time and unlike you know 1941 we don't have a coherent christian white population where everyone has seven kids

to go uh you know fight the rest of the world and win we're in a situation where we have you know an insurrection in the southwestern united states and communist plots i mean open communists marching in every street in every city in America and you're expecting this to go well this time are you completely high I mean it's the the failure of people like Lindsay Graham or Donald Trump to read the broom is possibly I mean one of the worst failures in American political history I mean this is this is a disaster waiting to happen because I can tell you right now, you can't have my boys. My sons are not going to war.

I would rather my sons get their arms chopped off than go fight in Iran. This is, and I know that many, many other parents feel the same way. I'm done supporting illegitimate adventurous wars for Israel. We've been at war the entire 21st century just about. And what one of those wars has been for the United States? or in the interest of Americans. Yeah, the, we truly just don't have a country anymore. And people need to get that through their heads.

The, you know, I went so far as on the, Penny Express live stream the other day to say, our flag now is the Confederate flag. That's the flag of America. And it, since 1865, since 1861, it has been. I mean, we don't have a country anymore. are, we're not prisoners here because we could leave if we want, but we're definitely, we definitely have to treat ourselves like we're occupied because we are. And really,

the only way to get through this is people need to start organizing. You know, however that looks to you, whatever you think is best. And yeah, I mean, I would not, at this point, I don't know, after everything I've seen this week, I can't tell anybody to go join the military. No, I would say, you know, if you want to do that, go to law school or something like that, because, you know, are people going to need lawyers more than, more than anything else?

Probably in the future. Probably need some people who know how to fight, but there's enough vets out there who know exactly, exactly what time it is. So, yeah, I think that's where we're at. I think the sooner people realize that there is no more

United States of America and there's only a nation of people and the quicker people, the quicker individuals will start finding their people. That's that it. Yeah, I agree with the sentiment that the Confederate flag

is, are, is basically our new flag because the post World War II order in my opinion was probably the final death blow against what remained

of like the so-called historic American nation. It just became the Judeo-American consumer Imperium from that point and now the challenge of this epoch is to be able

to determine who are are friends and then who are our enemies and build up a polity that can serve as a launch pad for an eventual reconquista of the U.S. from all these interlopers, whether it's the millions of foreign migrants that have been imported by the ruling class and even the treasonous people themselves that have facilitated this. But it's going to be a slog, but it's best to understand that this Norman Rockwell style America, it's gone, but we can eventually

do better and take back this country, but it will require us to find out how we got to this point, who the people who were that orchestrated this, and continued to undermine what once was a

promising pan-European project in the Western Hemisphere, and then start to battle because frankly, this is not going to be one by just arguments. It's going to be one through blood, sweat, and tears. And that's one of the big realizations that many people are going to have to come to grips with. And that means also dispensing with false idols and assumptions that we've been conditioned to accept over the years.

Yeah. The four of us can have, like, disagreements. You know, we can do politics amongst ourselves or people like us, like mighty people, people, people that are members of old gory. club or if you're in an active club or something, we can sit down and we can actually do politics because we don't existentially have differences that cannot be resolved. Go, you know, there was most likely if you're under any major city, like there was a, there was a no king's protest near you. Look at those people and tell me what can you do politics with them about?

they want to trans kids they hate you they hate white people they hate America they hate Western civilization what can you do politics with them about right where where you come to sort of reasonable compromise

you know Charles thinks the tax rate should be 25% and I think it should be 23% and we compromise in the middle and they settle on 24% that's politics these people want you dead and they want trans your kids and they think it's funny. Yeah, exactly right. There's, there's no, where there's no, as I said earlier,

you're exactly right. There's no, there's no, there's no even hint of a common ground from which to begin, let alone to build upon. There's no word even more of the bridge, let alone finish it. And I want to step back to something you said, Jose, because I think it was excellent. I agree with all your points that you raised. You said moments ago about the Norman Rockwell America. And I, you've, you touch on something that I like to point out because again, I try and be very positive. And I understand that I don't want people to be delusional, but I do think we need to hold on the positivity. And I understand that you can't go home again, as they say.

The past is the past and the past is a foreign country. But look at some of these old photographs from La Belle Epoch, you know, the European photos from the late 19th, early 20th centuries. They aren't paintings, they're photographs. They're real. Look at some of these photographs. from 1950, you know, at the drive-thru, the root beer shop. They're real. They're not paintings. Yes, Norman Rockwell painted a lot of that stuff. Remember, he did draw upon real life. These are real.

And if they're real, what that means is somebody built that. Maybe a whole bunch of somebody's. In fact, millions of somebody's built that. But it was real. It was tangible. It existed. These aren't pie in the sky goals, like putting a man on Venus or something. Maybe it's possible. it's not, but nobody's done it yet. But the things you're talking about, Jose, they have been done and they can be done again. And it may seem like I'm speaking across purposes here saying that, oh, I just said you can't go back again. No, you can't. But the past can be a template. You can take that and go, hey, how about we build beautiful things again? Only we build them better. You can do that. It's not impossible. Will it take work? Of course. Will it take a lot of

blood. Hey, I'm the one that Pete kindly retweeted recently about blood. You know, believe me, if anybody knows, I know. Yes, absolutely. But is it possible? 100%. What one man did, another man can redo, maybe even better. You know, sometimes we can talk about, oh, Israel attacked Iran. We can talk about no king's protests. We can talk about politicians getting assassinated. But when it comes down to it, what we're really talking about is starting over. And it's important to know what's going on around you for OPSEC purposes, for safety purposes. You know, yeah, you just, you have to know that stuff. But I think at this point, it's more important to know who you are and what you are and what you believe. You know, are you this, you know, do you believe in God? Do you believe in Christ? Are you a

Christian, what are you when it comes to, what do you believe in when it comes to the metaphysical? Okay. What's your ideology? Do you have an ideology at this point? Is it a rigid ideology? Are you a libertarian who, you know, is, says if you were to try and do anything, you know, everything's immoral and the borders should be open. And, well, you're the enemy. You know, are you, if you're, at this point, you're looking, you're looking for what your values are, but not only what your values are, but who you are.

And I think one of the biggest problems we have at this point is most people, especially young men and older men and boomers and Gen Xers and no one knows who they are. Yes. You know, I heard Carl Benjamin say recently. He said he was talking about England and people are like, oh, you know, why don't you, why aren't the English standing up for themselves? You know, why aren't heritage English standing up for themselves? He's like, because they've reached a point where they hate themselves. Every time they try, they get arrested. I mean, okay, so there's a group over there.

community organizers that are for white Britain by the name of a patriotic alternative. They've tried like half a dozen times to become a political party and do the political thing. You know, their members have been arrested for putting up stickers and given longer sentences than people who raped little girls. So every time someone in England or in the UK tries to fight back for their people. whether it's in the Homeland Party or even Nigel Farage, right? Like they, who are, Nigel Farage is a, you know, Wall Street or a city of London toady who's not actually an nationalist or any kind of nationalist at all, really. But, you know, the B&P was prescribed or was destroyed by, you know, the state.

The John Tyndall's organization, I can't remember for its name now. they're considered terrorists. If you're a part of that, you go to jail. You know, the English, so the people who rightfully were upset about those girls getting killed by the, you know, supposed Welsh choir boy who was as black as coal. They went to jail for a long time. They're one by the name Lucy Ledby, I think. She's in jail for a Facebook post. I mean, it's because they're under city of London occupation.

And if you're a libertarian who wants to have open borders like Rand Paul, Rand Paul's just a leftist. He's a disgusting scumbag leftist because he doesn't think that your person or your property deserve to be safe from foreign invaders who want to kill you. He can dress it up all he wants in the ethics of private property and hobby and anarcho-capitalism, whatever nonsense he wants to talk about. But anyone who's for open borders is a disgusting leftist. and they need to be called down on it.

Well, I think at this point, you know, you talk about people who are getting thrown in jail and everything like that. We need to start learning from history. How many times has a people gotten to the point where, you know, a bunch of people wake up to what's going on around them? And they go, okay, who did this? Who did this? We can't see who did this. Okay, yeah, politicians, sure, but they're not doing this. Who did this?

And this is what I think the goal for the future is for our people. We have to get to the point where people see things getting better. And they go, wait, who did this? And it's us. We did it. We're the only game in town. We're the only game in town. And we have to do it in a way where no one knows that we're doing it.

You know, I mean, Reagan, you know, Reagan wasn't the, you know, I mean, I don't think we don't have any Reagan worshippers here. But Reagan once said, you know, it's amazing what you can accomplish if nobody's looking to take the credit for it. You don't, people don't have to know you're doing it. You just have to start doing it. and do it and be smart. I mean, how many people still don't know that we're occupied by, you know, we've been occupied by one group for 80 years. Well, why?

It hit pretty good. They also did everything they possibly could to make sure no one could see it. so that people still can't see it, even when it's obvious. So there's your goal. Someone is delusional as Anna Kasparian has just out and said, you know, the U.S. government is rarely occupied territory. Colonel Douglas McGregor was on LifeSight News recently, which is like the Normie pro-life conservative website,

talking about how all the wars are started by Jews. I mean, basically, right? Like, it's broken containment. Judge DePolitan, I'd cost you about it all the time. I mean, you can't. I mean, how would Douglas McGregor not know? His son was just on my show talking about it. Yeah.

I mean, there are, here's what, when people take over, when you have a group that takes over, one of the things they historically do is they slay the princes, not, not always literally, but sometimes literally. And but that blood doesn't go away. That blood has memory in it. And sometimes those princes wake up and go, wait a minute, I'm supposed to be in charge. And then they start opening their eyes and they start seeing it.

I think we've actually seen a lot of that. I'm not going to go into, I don't want to get deep into it, because I'd rather people think for themselves about things like this. But I think a lot of people are waking up to the fact that, wait a minute, I think I'm supposed to be in charge here. I think my people are supposed to be in charge here. And, you know, it's just a matter of how they're going to try and do it. If they try and do it through Washington, D.C., they're going to fail. Yeah, well, Washington, D.C., for less 80s.

years at least has been the whole point of the system has been to disenfranchise heritage Americans, particularly white fathers. Like, it's designed it that way to disenfranchise the sorts of people that should be in charge. Well, yeah, it's killing the princess, just like Pete said. It's killed the princess, maybe not literally, well, in many ways literally, but in that sense, that's absolutely what it is. It's breaking the line.

It's breaking the line of succession so that they can. step in its place. That's exactly what it is. And I think it's very eerie, Pete, that you mentioned about people don't even know who they are. Longtime readers of my blog, 80 proof ointamancy, will know that I have a post, God, from back from 2015, 2016, I'll have to hunt it down. Where I talk about exactly what you're saying. And at the time, it was like 10 years ago, I wrote it. And it said, I say that if you're under the age of, I want to say, I said 60 or 70 at that time, I said, you have no idea who you are. You were raised on television. you are raised on magazines. You're one of the first multimedia generations. You have no idea

who you are, none. You need to sit down, you need to take a piece of paper and you fold it in half vertically, fold it in half, and then separate it again. And write down everything that you think you are on the left side, and then take real honest stock of everything you are really are on the right side. And then make it make sense. Drop what you don't like, add what you do like, put the work in. So I agree with you 100% Pete. That's also, why I said in my first book, I said that there's a paradox in the manosphere. Again, this is written years ago. But I said, the paradox in the manosphere is this. It's that you enter trying to get girls and you leave not giving a shit because you realize that there's so much more

important things out there that women will come along once you realize your mission, once you understand who you are as a man and what you're on this earth to do. And that's one of the reasons that throughout all the Manistphere stuff, I was the one guy that said, stop trying to pick up girls with techniques, just learn who you are. Well, then girls won't like me. Who cares? You don't want those girls anyway if they don't like you. Believe me, if you are who you are, you're confident, you're assertive, you trust in yourself, you can handle your business. There will be a woman somewhere, sometime that will come along and hitch her wagon to you. It's going to happen. And as Dee likes to say, you know, if you can't get late,

you can't run my organization. You can't have a leadership in my position in my organization. So all of this is interconnected. So I side with you, Pete, 100%. You have to know who you are. And by being honest with yourself, knowing who you are as a man, then you can attract like-minded people. And as a benefit, not a downside. As a benefit, you will repel people unlike you, which you want to do. You don't want them in your area. You don't want communists. You don't want peters, you don't want them there. So by knowing who you are, by establishing that, by learning it, and also having the humility to understand your own weaknesses, having the modesty and the humility to go, okay, you know what, I'm good at X, Y, and Z, but I'm crap at A, B, and C.

I need people that can help me with that. And understanding that as a man, that you're going to need help, you can't do everything on your own. You can't. Sure, you shouldn't, you shouldn't mooch off of people and beg people and make them fight your battles for you. But there's nothing wrong with saying, I need a tribe. I need other people to help me get through this. That's how you survive. That's how you thrive. No man is an island. I've learned that over my course of my life and I doubt there's a man in this conversation that hasn't learned likewise. It's also important to be able to recognize people around you who speak the same language that you do, say the same things, notice the same things you do, who aren't your people.

Because that's something I see all the time. If anyone who's on social media will know this. There are people who seem like the most natural of allies. But then when you really drill down into it, you know, if you're someone like myself who you know, has a podcast or has a voice and is out there, they're waiting for you to fuck up so they can pounce on you. They're waiting for you to, they're waiting to tell you where you're wrong. They're waiting to, if you made a prediction and it didn't come true, they're waiting to tell

you and let you know, you know, publicly. You know, when I have a problem, if I had a problem with one of you guys, I just contact you privately and go, can we talk about this? People don't know how to do that anymore. They, because of social media especially, because they know that if they can be very feminine and, you know, like, backbite and be catty, they can get a lot of attention. They maybe even get some followers and they maybe even, you know, get some virtual high fives. It really comes down to, you know, what Thomas talks about. It's like, you're looking for a vanguard.

And those are the people you keep the closest to you. and, you know, there are also people who are, they're not going to have time to be part of the vanguard, and they could be part of the vanguard. There are people who are just literally good people who just don't have what it, what it takes to be part of the vanguard, and you have no problem having those people around too,

but you don't have as much time for them as you do for the vanguard. You don't have as much time as the inner circle. And, yeah, I mean, it goes, I mean, I think it's getting, I think it's at the point now where it is really, really easy to see who the enemy is. You know who the enemy is. I mean, you know it a heartbeat. It's getting harder and harder to figure out who that enemy is that is in your orbit that you may have to be like, get away from me. Go ahead, Jose, if I talk too much.

Go ahead, Jose. I think it boils down to just adapting to the new circumstances because I recall Charles saying that he now tends to find more people that he's aligned with like online and that's just like the new reality

because whenever I go out in proverbial meat space I just feel like I'm on a different planet like I feel like I'm like an extraterrestrial life form that's among a bunch of people that are just not on the same wavelength as myself. So we have to adapt and find out who our actual tribe is because it's coming to the point where these battle lines are going to be drawn very soon.

And if you operate like an atomized individual, you will not only likely not survive, but you're also reinforcing the system that we live in that encourages and fosters atomization because that's how the game goes. Like the atomization is just like the end stage of the divided rule type of dynamic that has permeated across the system. And it's designed in that way so that you've effectively become depoliticized, depressed, and eventually just wiped out of the gene pool altogether. And I can't stress this enough about trying to build a community of people that are already on your side, that are part of your tribe. Because we've been told that being part of a tribe is a bad thing for the longest time, that you have to like embrace all perspectives and all this stuff. And this kind of thinking is what will lead to our civilizational decline. And if we want to preserve our culture, we actually have to like tribe up.

we actually have to champion the positive contributions of white European civilization and find people who are willing to do this because time is precious. And at this point, I don't want to waste time engaging with Normies. I don't want to waste time engaging with people that will never even give you the time a day. It's best to focus our resources on improving yourself, your family, and other people that are aligned with you. that could actually benefit from interacting with you because we have to not only invest in ourselves, but also invest in our community and stop giving our money and time and effort to organizations

and institutions that seek to destroy us, depoliticize us, or just divide us, and instead actually put it towards causes that align with our goals. Yeah, Jose. Just to just to reiterate, let me reiterate one thing. Charles, and I'll let you go. I'll be real quick. You were talking about individualism and how they drive you to be individuals and be deracinated.

I think if you look 15 years ago when people were flea, a lot of people were attracted to libertarianism. And then as time went by and Trump, you know, the whole thing about Trump's not, the man, Trump is not important. And you started seeing more people leave libertarianism. And then after 2020, it's like, I mean, pretty much anybody who's still flying the libertarian banner, I really just don't know what to do with them. But you see now that more, especially a lot of young people are not, are more interested in collectivizing than they were 15 years ago where everybody was like, well, we would be a radical individual and let's end the Fed and everything like that. No, it's like now people are like, no, I've got to find my tribe.

So thankfully, I think that we're getting past that. We just really have to keep pushing that, pushing the collectivizer die kind of message because it would be real easy to fall back into that individual bullshit again. Yeah, well, I think a good sign of that is Jose was at a recent conference that was put on by the political cesspool. and I'm curious to hear what he has to say, but I listened to the broadcast last week, and it sounded like it was a great time. But I think something we have to,

we have to cure ourselves of is this notion that, like, we're the outsiders, we're the baddies. Like, no, our positions are the same ones. Most everyone who's a conservative believes, we believe in things like degeneracy is bad and drugs are bad for you and people who deal drugs to kids should go to jail.

And people who murder babies should go to jail. And like borders should be real and people should be safe in this street. And homeless schizophrenics should be put in mental hospitals. And we're not the outsiders. We're not the dissidents. We're the same party. You know. And Lindsey Graham with his like, holding blood v.

Like just let me, let me, you know, let me kill Iranians. He's lowered one more time before it. Like, that's insane. That's literally crazy. These people that spend more time worrying about whether Israel is safe, whether people in their, they can walk in their major cities downtown. If you're a senator from South Carolina,

and you don't care about the fact that people can't be in Charleston and be safe, and you care more about Tel Avia than you do about Charleston, you're a psychopath. Jose, I know that you can't get into specifics and everything about what DE just mentioned, maybe you can give an overview or as much as you, as much as you can about, you know, the conference you just went to.

Yeah. I haven't been to really any political conferences, almost like in years. I think the last time I went to something was actually pre-COVID. I've been pretty reclusive, politically speaking, in terms of meeting other people. But when I went to that conference, I was definitely impressed because people have clearly moved on from the typical libertarian, Reaganite, even like Bushite politics.

There was a pretty big boomer cohort, but these people were much more radicalizing and talking about stuff that mattered, like race, Jewish influence, all that. Some people still believe that there is like a political solution, like say at the D.C. level. but from the people I was talking to, you could sense like these people were already to just fight back against all the prevailing narratives you see in the political space. And there were also some Europeans in attendance who did not mince any words whatsoever in terms of the racial conflict they were saying. In fact, I kind of like them a bit more because they don't have a lot of the neoliberal capitalist baggage. they understood full well that this fight is not just a fight against like state institutions, but also corporate institutions as well that have led to the immiseration and absolute demographic destruction of the white European races. And there were some former politicians in attendance who have also come to see the light on these issues.

But it wasn't just only older generation. There was a lot of young people there in attendance that knew what. what the score was and I was able to gather some good contacts and maintain ties with them. And for once, I actually felt like when I was there, I was among people of similar intellectual caliber and curiosities in addition to the same political goals for the most part. And that forum was one of the few forums where sure there would be political disagreements on strategy, but I felt that I was among like my people as opposed to going to these events like when I go outside to like meetups or whatever to people that I just when I listen to

them talk I just want to like just fall asleep or just leave the like venue almost immediately just out of disgust but um at the political assessable event I actually felt like one with that audience and the participants and speakers excellent I just want to draw a couple points that you raised Jose that again I want to kind of riff off of I wouldn't say that you were talking about the atomization. And I'll just TLDR it right now, so I don't rehash everything you said already quite eloquently. I'll just read it, just say the TLDR on it is. It's a feature, not a bug. And I think you're absolutely right in saying that that it was part of the plan to atomize people. And I do stand by everything that I said about the internet. And I think you did a great thing by going to that

conference, trying to meet people and meeting people that are of like minds. And it's obvious that you reap the benefits of it because you said you felt at home. And I would say that that's one of the things that we, I like to give people actual means of doing something. If I'm going to come on programs and talk about what's wrong, I try and give the best, the best solutions that I can offer. Obviously, I can't give everybody a magic wand to fix everything, but I try and give people directions in which to head a path on which to set foot and start moving. And I would say use your online communities as a touchstone to go to kind of reference lightly what D said, to let you know, to remind you, you're not the crazy one. Yes, there are more locusts than lions, but that

doesn't make the locusts correct. So just use the internet as a touchstone. Hey, I'm not crazy here. I've got a bunch of guys that agree with me. I'm all right. You use that to keep your head on straight, to keep your confidence up, and then you go out in the real world and you try and meet people, you try and talk to people, you try and build bridges, you try and meet people and try and get them, get to see where they are and learn them in real space. Now, obviously, don't jeopardize your job by doing dumb shit, but I mean, do try and see if you can put a little bit of a foot out there and let other people feel comfortable to put their foot out there so they can start revealing who they are. And that's how the game works. And obviously it has to be slow. It has to be deliberate and obviously

play it wisely. Gentle as doves, wise as serpents, as the Bible says. But somebody has to step first. And if you can do it without too much risk, I recommend you do it. But always keep your online crew, your online friends to help keep you on the straight and narrow path. And then just do what you can in meat space using the internet as a mental refuge, as an intellectual refuge. That's all I wanted to say on that part, gentlemen. Well, you know, to just really, I'll set you guys off with this and I'll bring up some current event so that to build a little bit off what we're talking about. So, I mean, thinking that there's going to be any D.C. solutions. So Trump has since 2015 talked about, you know, immigration.

and, you know, allegedly there's a Department of Remigration. Well, unless it's not being reported, it doesn't seem like a lot of that is happening. And then you look at what happened in L.A., which I think might have a little more to do with the warrants that were being, that were supposed to be served, which has something to do with money laundering and trafficking. And then basically the cartels and then I think the NGOs took it as a as a chance to mobilize and do all this. It was a direct threat to them. I mean, Tom Longo is lots of things, but a fool in one of them.

And Dave Collum also, who regularly appears on coffee in my podcast that both Peter and I have been on. These people all fuck kids. I mean, that's what they do. And if Dave Collum or Tom Longo tell you publicly, these people fuck kids, they have enough resources to where a point, if they couldn't back it up, they'd be sued and they know it. So the fact that they haven't been sued ought to tell you something. Yeah.

And one thing I'll bring up is the fact that if immigrants, and remigration is the most important thing. I think everyone on this panel is willing to suffer financial problems to get rid of these people. There may be some problems. There may be some things may shut down. We all have. I literally lost an INS career. I literally lost an INS career.

trying to stop this. Yes, the answer to that is a resounding yes. Please continue. But then you have Donald Trump who is like, okay, well, you know, we have to stop this because we need people to pick, pick fruit, pick vegetables, do this, do that. They still don't get it. This is still a financial zone. This is still an open-air strip mall. This is still a financialized nation where we don't make anything anymore. We may grow stuff, but it's not like we grow stuff. I mean, these are corporations who are growing stuff. A lot of them owned by foreigners, and then they import foreigners to come and pick the stuff because there's no minimum wage for that. And someone like the political class still doesn't get it. They still think that the economy is more

important than 40 to 50. I mean, I was hearing somebody talk about 80 million people who don't belong here, who shouldn't be here. And that just doesn't seem as important to some people as the GDP, which is fake and gay, or, you know, whether they're, what their return on investment on their stock portfolio is going to look like. They don't care anymore. They don't care. So you're, you're going to have to figure this all out. And you can't do it by yourself. You're going to have to do it with other people. But yeah, I mean, this whole thing of, you know, you go to, you know, I live in a very small town, pretty much, you start recognizing.

After you live here for a couple years, start recognizing people, you know everyone. But I go to the big city of 25,000. That's, you know, half an hour north of me. and you just look and you're like, I don't think any of these people are legal. I don't think any of these people are legal. I don't think any of these people are born here. I don't think any of these people have a green card.

I don't think. And it's like, it's like that everywhere. Yeah, I hear stories of people who go into the coldest parts of this country. And it's like, yeah, A jeet owns the gas station. A jeet owns the hotel.

I mean, it's like, wait, what? It's like, how, this didn't happen by accident. So look how much you have to reverse. And obviously, somebody thinks there's no rush. So it's going to have to be, it's going to be up to us, guys. Hate to say it.

You might have to do something. Well, not only we have to do something, but also I think that something that Jose touched on briefly, but I think is worth expanding on. And I said this many years ago, when I was still a lot on Twitter, but the only people who are having any kind of conversation that matters at all talking about any real issues

or on the eyesight of what Zeman calls the Great Defy. No one, everyone else is just, you know, building castles in air. And there is no point in talking to Normies. They'll just do what they're told. 2020 tells you, as clear as anything, that being free and knowing the truth

is too much work for most people, and they'll just take what they're given and do what power tells them. So among the people who actually do stuff and get stuff done, you know, our arguments have run the table. It's only people who are, you know, I mean, Mossad has probably some truly appalling picks of Lindsey Graham, and that's why he does what he does, but he knows his arguments are all nonsense.

Talk to me more about our secret room. Republican judiciary, you know, no king's people, when, you know, republics are supposed to be societies full of equal citizens that are all taxpayers and princes, but like, talk to me about 30% of the population that, you know, they don't work. They commit a lot of crime. They don't pay taxes. What is it? What do they cost over their lifetime, Charles?

every African in America is like a negative $750,000 debit on the treasury. Yep. And every, yeah. I mean like $580,000. And every, yeah, 580,000. Yeah. Yep. Yep.

Yeah, it's insane. It's right. So, tell me about, about, you know, how we're all supposed to be citizens of a republic, right? We're supposed to sit here and have a debate where, you know, these people who just cost money. Oh, with no. kings. How about no opinions? Well, yeah, like that's the, yeah, that's the thing, right? Like, okay, no kings. Well, then that means somebody's got to fill the vacuum. Somebody going to step up and

do it. One of the things I've learned in my old age that I wish I learned a long time ago, and I'll try and put an old head on young shoulders to your audience out there, Pete. Like, you need to go for power. You need to. Even if you don't want to, as a matter of fact, like the Dow Day Ching basically says, the guy who deserves to rule. is the one you have to drag kicking and screaming to the throne. You want to get power because if you don't take it, some psychopath will. And I made that mistake recently in my life. I'm older.

I've already been through a lot. It's like, I didn't want the headaches. And now I'm having a crap ton of problems at work because a psychopath did get the promotion. And now I got to work for him. And now everybody's miserable. That's like, well, why didn't I just go for the power myself? At least I know I'm not a psychopath.

And that's the problem that we're encountering with the no king's movement. And then other people that just kind of want to live to go along and get along. Because if you don't get power, a power hungry person will. And you don't want them to have it. And to step back to your point earlier, Pete, about growing things about what do we grow here? What do we do? It's all companies. Literally around the corner from my property, literally around the corner, I've sent photos of it to D.

on the side is a weed farm. And it's owned by the CCP. It's owned by them. It's run by illegals. And this is the economy I'm supposed to want to see grow. Like, are you kidding me? And I fled New Jersey where my place in my birth, where everything, even if this is in the early 90s, this is how long this has been going on, more than 30 years. Everything was already owned. Every gas station was already owned by Indians or Pakistanis or whatever. And it's like, Wait, this is the GDP I'm supposed to worry about? I'm supposed to want these people to prosper? What?

Why? I'm sorry, why do I need to hold that up? That's insane. Why do I want to see that grow? Oh, hey, here's a cyst. You want to see it grow further, don't you? Absolutely not. Yeah, it's like rooting for the cancer because it's growth.

I mean, in some specific cases, like in case of Joe Biden or John McCain, I'll root for the cancer. But, you know, that's, that's, um, you know, like this is not a healthy thing. And I, and, in pretending that we can get along with or negotiate with these, uh, these occupiers is, it's crazy. Their entire dependent, their entire livelihood, their entire life is dependent upon occupying us. whether it's the homosexuals or the zionists or um you know

the dependent populations in the United States their entire life is dependent on us not doing anything while they suck our blood well you know the occasional bite by mosquito is annoying but when you're told like no you have to you have to run around naked in the

swamp in the summertime so that all the mosquitoes can feast on you or you're a bad person. Most people are going to go, no, that's okay. Put on some bug spray and start slapping some bugs. Yeah, I would like to stress a point here with regards to the comments of the challenges of restricting immigration. One issue, I think, that we have seen emerge

post-World War II is people's obsession with all these upper middle class companies. and especially in the present with having like reliable Uber eats deliveries and all this stuff that is largely the result of this economy that is becoming heavily reliant on foreign mass migration and also with people who rely on mass migration to boost their property values like the current homeowners and all of that. at some point people have to think beyond kind of like their life style their upper middle class lifestyles and be prepared to make sacrifices because

your posterity your race all that is more important than the the leasures that you have enjoyed thanks to globalization which has caused countless other people working class people most notably like to be living very precarious lifestyles. And that's why there is a need for actual racial solidarity now,

not politics that's motivated by just economic self-interest. We have to start thinking beyond that. We have to actually think about preserving the culture, the history of our people, more so than people's 401Ks and other

stuff like that, because that's how we're in this mess by becoming economic reductionist, robots that only care about our immediate desires and all that. Part of breaking out of the deracinated individual framework that we've been forced into. That's been sold to us, I don't think. A lot of people haven't, you ever been forced into it. But when it's the only message you receive, then it's also the best message that a group

that practices incredible. in-group preference can have for every other group saying, you know, or, you know, they'll preach it to other groups, but those are only other groups that they can control and they can use as golems against the, against the historically more powerful group, which are white European Christians who, you know, conquered pretty much everything they've put their mind to. Oh, I was just going to say that Jose. you're talking about the economic reductionism, and it just kind of struck me as funny. You're absolutely right.

This isn't to disagree. I wasn't laughing at your point. I was laughing at the reality of it because I sort of, in my head, I mentally put your statements along with things that Dee has been drilling into my head for a very long time, and I'm grateful for it, which is Shelley v. Kramer. Dee, I'm sure you know I've referenced this with you all the time, both on and off-life. But the thing that I'm bringing together here with your statement, Jose and with these is all these people are like, oh, well, my property's worth a lot of money. Well, why is your

property worth a lot of money? Like, everybody in this room knows why some properties are worth a lot of money and others aren't. Yeah, we can pick the outliers like, oh, it's on a lake, or, oh, it's in Malibu, or, oh, it's on the Pacific Northwest, and you can see the ocean from the cliffside. It's like, okay, yeah, those are the outliers. But what's the real reason a property is worth any money or not? The demographics around it. So what does it matter if your property's worth a lot if you just live in a nicer area? I mean, if you live with people that are like you, if you can walk safely to the store. Because I'll be 100% honest with everybody in this room and everybody that's listening to Pete show. I would have never left the neighborhood that I was

living in in Philadelphia. Never. If it had been what it was in the 1970s and very early 1980s, which was a poor Polish immigrant neighborhood. Why? It was safe. It was clean. Hell, you could eat off the streets. I know my grandmother got a local medal for keeping it so clean and neat. Was it poor? Sure. Was everybody there a factory worker? Sure. But nobody was blaring a radio. at four o'clock in the morning. It wasn't mariachi music playing in front of my house out of a car speaker. There wasn't a bar letting out every other night with a shooting. There weren't people getting killed on my front steps.

No. Okay. So it was poor. I didn't give a shit. Good. My mortgage was cheap. But it was still safe. It was still clean.

And I'm like, that's why your statements make me. Yeah. Take over. You get one. Yeah. No, well, this is, this is important. I was on a different show this morning.

It'll come out tomorrow on Sunday with a guy who's younger than me and a guy that's older than me. We're talking about three generations of failure. You know, Gen X, millennials like me, I'm right on the edge of being a millennial. And then I was talking with another is a Zoomer friend. You know, we're talking about three generations of guys that the system has completely failed, disenfranchised, economically destroyed, you know, destroyed our relationship prospects with, with feminism and and and or made them much more precarious right and this this notion that we should just just suck it up and eat it's like well why should this house what what's wrong

with being poor and and still being treated with some dignity and some respect from society kings were poor compared to average average people in america now yes you know louis louis the 14th didn't have aspirin, you know, Louis d'i, he didn't have NyQuil when he had a gold, right? Like, we're talking about what's wrong with, why don't ordinary people deserve the respect of, you know, you show up, you go to work, you're fighting awards,

you come home, you have a couple kids, you go to church on Sundays, you put a 20 in the plate every now and again. Why don't those people deserve respect? And the answer is that the people who took over a society, aren't to people who ever do anything. You know, maybe probably somebody like Jamie Diamond or, um,

a pitcher, Jerome Powell. Maybe not his father. But his grandfather got dirty. And he remembers that. And he respects people who do that sort of thing. But, you know,

I keep telling people to listen to Pete's stuff of Pete's doing, but everyone really, really, really needs to listen to the 200 years together. that he's been doing with Dr. Matthew Raphael Johnson. These people that occupy us now literally revolted

because they were told to, like, grow food, because they were told, we can't work for a living. So how can they respect people who just, like, I would be okay. I don't want to be rich. I just don't want to get screwed. I'd be perfectly happy living in a lower middle class Catholic neighborhood like what Dr.

Michael Jones talks about in slaughtered cities where my kids could go to a decent school, subsidized by the parish, and my mass was good, and my neighbors were all people I went to church with. I'd be in heaven, but we're not allowed to have any of that because any source of solidarity for us, whether it's economic or social or religious, or even just friends on the Internet, we can't have that either, because it's a source of solidarity that these people hate. We're literally a threat to them.

we're literally a threat to them because we know how to build shit we don't we don't just parasitize we're not just parasites on everyone else and they can't grow stuff I mean people are like oh you know Israel's not an ethno state they have there are Arabs who are citizens

yet they're there to work they're there to do the manual labor that you can't do. We know this. The couple that you put in your government just so that the world can sit, you can point to them and go, see, see, we allow them to have a say too.

Yeah. Some of us know what this is. I mean, we just haven't figured out the fact that we can defeat them. We can defeat them just by being, who we are. Because we don't want to be who we are anymore. It's become too easy.

Life's become too easy. And, you know, people say all the time, well, you know, no one's going to do anything. No one's going to want to demand change. No one's going to go out there and do things until they get hungry. It's like, it won't get, you know, when you're hungry, it's a little late. You need to start doing that now. And I don't know how long I've been preaching this. but I mean it's before COVID and COVID came along and it's like yeah you need to start doing stuff now

how much more obvious is I mean what else has to happen that you are not going to put that group together that is going to be the one to get you through this and to build what comes next and to not only for yourselves, but for the people around you. Now is the time to build what comes next. And I'm not talking about only for you. You have a chance to be on the ground floor of it. But people still just either are waiting for, a lot of it's just people are waiting for someone else to do it.

that's why they still think they're still waiting for someone in Washington to save them. They still think their vote is sacred. They still want to complain about the 2020 election. And when I talk about the 2028 election, what I tell people is, I hear everybody thinking that, you know, J.D. Vance is going to be the vice, is going to the vice president now is just going to be elected again. And it will be elected in 2028 to continue what, to get all the, the great change that's happening?

Or have I said about 2028, if they just want to, they'll just steal the election again. Why are you putting your faith in elections? The only people putting their faith in elections are people who are either way too comfortable and feel like they can't really be touched or people who are just too fucking lazy to do anything differently. Sorry, my opinion. You can hate me for it, but I'm not wrong. how is any election where huge numbers of parasites who never contribute to the tax rolls committed a ton of crime and or like here legally a legit election?

Like just on the on the census question, right? Like the county illegals towards the census that gives California at least two or three extra house members gives Texas extra house members. And because it's frozen at 535 or 435, it's, you're stealing from Iowa and Nebraska and, you know, Missouri and the white parts of those places, too. So how is that legit? Why should third and fourth generation ghetto dwellers in Philadelphia or Baltimore get to vote? how does how is that citizens of republic if you guys you know go back and listen to pete's disquisition on civil government by john calhoun citizens of republics have to be contributing members with skin in the game in order for a republic to function yeah i mean it's it's funny when

you read disquisition you're like i think people who don't realize what he's saying think, oh, he's very naive about how government should work. He's working with an ought. Well, he's not working with an, the ought that he's working with is the ought that basically the country was founded upon, is that white Europeans, basically all the same, basically people who are the same people. A lot of them are probably seventh and eighth cousins, you know. And then when people, you know, talk about Calhoun and they're like, you know, how great he was or anything, I always try to pass along to them his letter about the Mexican-American War, where he said, don't get in a war with Mexico.

It's going, you're going to end up having Mexicans brought into the United States. and these people are not like us. What was that? 1848 day? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, not only did he predict that,

but like the ought that he was talking about, you know, this is the thing that you guys all say that you want. Like, when you say you want to go back to the Constitution, what do you mean? Do you mean the Constitution prior to being it being hijacked by a criteria in Marlboro is Madison?

Do you mean the Constitution? prior to, you know, 1861 and Mr. Lincoln's invasion. Do you mean the post-Civil war constitution before the New Deal? I mean, which, because, you know, the one where Negroes couldn't vote? I mean, when you say the Constitution, what do you mean? You know, like, you're going to have to be the person who's responsible, okay? If you're listening to this program, I'm sorry, you're the one who's got the agency and the understanding to understand this.

And most people are just going to do what they're told. Okay. One of the reasons that the Germans were successful in 1933 is they made people be proud again. And we have nothing to be proud of because we produce crap and we don't give anyone any stake in society. You're going to have to figure out how to do that again. Yeah, I think Charles. Well, just on the point there, I mean, we, that's, that's, that's, that's, about what you were saying, but to tie up what Dija said with what you'd said earlier, Pete,

we just have to find out who we are again and get and reclaim it. Nobody's going to do it for us and we have to do it. But that'll be our, that'll be our burden. And I think we can do it. And I think we're well up to the task. And I think something else to keep in mind, because I'm a capital R romantic heart, I've talked about this with Jason Moranchuck more than once. One of the benefits of being where we are now. And I don't mean specifically we is in the in this room necessarily, I just mean in general. Where we are now as a people, Heritage Americans, is we have the chance to be legends. This is where it all starts. This is the time to act because that's what we need now. Like Machiavelli wrote, life has to, goals have to be as if they're a

target in archery. You always aim a little higher than your target. So that way when the arrow falls, you still strike true. So we need legend. We need romance, capital R. Now's the time to do that. Now's the time to have people 100 years from now write about you, make a song about you, make up shit that you probably didn't even do. But it sounds good and it pushes people to move forward and to fight for what they value. So that's one of the benefits that we have right now.

And that's one of the benefits of being a prime mover is doing things like that. And maybe I've made zero difference in my life. That's quite possible. But I can tell you I was one of the first guys in the Manosphere and I was one of the first guys in the dissident right. And I'm going to be one of the first guys in whatever comes next. Maybe nobody gives a shit about me. That's fine. But I'm going to go to my grave knowing that I moved, that I did something, that I didn't wait for somebody else to do it.

I did what I could. And that's why I'm always pushing listeners to do what you can. I've never once put unreasonable expectations on anybody. never not one time i've kept it simple if all you can do is make a new friend make a new friend if all you can do is go to the gym go to the gym do something move the ball forward because it's going to take all of us and if all of us do that then we all get to the end goal yeah i think i'll say yeah i think that people are going to have to move beyond their comfort zone as well it's going to take superhuman acts of will to actually restore order in this

polity and it will require as charles said like people actually have to become legends they can't just be spectators anymore you can't wait for other people to do the work for you you have to take it upon yourself to start building like the future that you want to see for for for for tomorrow. And yeah, there's no easy way out because ultimately those who like the lazy man will end up doing double, if they try to pursue shortcuts. It's going to be a long slog and people have to be mentally prepared. They have to make actual sacrifices and kind of, I'd say like almost dejudiize their mindset in a way because we have been living in a Judeo-American order where we expect the big red line to go up through very little labor and rely on speculative finance

for our livelihood. We actually need to start creating stuff, institutions, organizations, new infrastructure projects, technology, you name it. And the first step is to like actually be ready to make sacrifices and build something that goes beyond. You're also going to have to just basically take aside. You know, I watch people try to straddle the middle. You know, I

I'm thinking Thursday night, two nights ago, Israel sent a whole bunch of bombs into Tehran. Tehran is a residential area. It's a city. And obviously, people died. Well, Iran retaliated.

And, you know, if you go on Twitter right now, You'll see Jews and Zionists and Shabasgoy saying that Iran is committing war crimes right now. Oh, God. They're attacking on. You've leveled Gaza. Shut the fuck off. They literally cry out and pain as they strike you.

And that's exactly what this is. And if you're one of these people who like looks at that and says, well, that's just two sand tribes and everything, and screw both of them. I'm not, no, you're weak. You're really weak. And you were taught to do that. And guess who taught you to do that? The one who started it on Thursday.

You know, it was like, oh, we got to go bomb them because they may have a nuclear weapon. Okay, so the only country in the world that's ever used nuclear weapons is us. I mean, I guess that makes sense that, you know, if China wanted to attack a, because, you know, we have nuclear capabilities. That would make sense, right? Because, I mean, we use them. As far as I know, Iran doesn't even have one. I don't even know if they have the capability to have one.

They actually declared a fatwa against making nuclear weapons. But, you know, just something that simple. Something that simple to look and go, I know it's 7,000 miles away. But one of those groups, controls our government and has controlled our society, education system, banking, entertainment, government for 80 years. Oh, shit. And somehow. Zog, Zoroastrian occupied government.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's obviously it's Iran and Qatar that is to blame for all this. Yeah. So, yeah. So, you know, it's like. Oh, I do see that, Pete.

I've listened to you talk about, you know, against our better judgment and how it was this grand plot designed in back rooms with special pledges that got Israel. And I know that they have overwhelming, but I just can't. They're going against somebody that I've been told by Jews are my sworn enemy. And I just don't want, no, no, you're a fence sitter. Don't want anything to do with you. Sorry, you're not on my side. If you cannot take a side in this, you're not going to be able to take my side when it comes down to it. So, yeah, stop with the bullshit.

And how about grow the fuck up? Act like a fucking man. Because all throughout history, when existential crises happen, men have to do. aside, okay, this is a dialectic. I'm on this side. I don't care that somebody else created the dialectic. I have to pick a side that best suits my survival, my family survival, and my people survival. Grow the fuck up. That's right. And choose a side. Well, and not only, not only that, but pretending to be above it all as some do or pretending that there's not a side, you're just helping our enemies. There is no

right now there's one group of people randomly starting belligerent war with their neighbors all of their neighbors. The people who ceded control of the southwestern United States to the point where Los Angeles is a foreign occupied city

that are responsible for the mass immigration into the UK that leads to little girls getting raped there it's all the same group of people, and it's not the Zoroastrians. These people couldn't survive without our money and our blood. So deny them as much of both as you can. Choose to fight them as much as you can, and then hopefully, you know, maybe not us, but your kids will be free someday.

Because unless you fight them, nothing's going to change. And that's intolerable. I know we've only been going an hour and a half, We usually do this for a long time. But so I'll open it up to you guys. Is there any subject that anybody has on their mind that they'd like to discuss? Because I think we have, Charles, you got a little bit longer, right? Yeah, yeah, a little bit.

I'm just not feeling well. So I think I'm burning up the last bit of my reserves, but I'm happy to hang in there as long as you need me to. All right. Has anybody got anything? No, I mean, I think we've covered it. I mean, like, you know, the infrastructure stuff is going to get worse. the population gets browner and less competent. You know, and it's

all downstream of of, you know, our occupied government. And your only ops right now are the people who are in charge of our government. You know, Thomas is right about this stuff. The only people that you have to politically move against

are the people occupying our government because every other problem is downstream with them. Every single one. 100%. I, I, people, it's very simple. And I think the problem that people, a lot of people have when Thomas says that, is that we could, all of the other problems that you, black crime, immigration, everything, you just have to

solve the one problem. You need heritage Americans running the country again. And you need to expel the influence that basically is set on destroying us as parasitic, yada, everything. and until that happens a lot and a lot of those people are in Europe too by the way Europe is declared war on us they want to see us dead too you know and a lot of white Europeans have decided to side with our enemies against us so take that into consideration too

I've had people tell me you can't criticize white people because they're just under the influence of Jews and I'm like so they have no agency whatsoever I mean, if they kill somebody, they're not, you know, for, I mean, come on, let's stop here. We have enemies. You have to know who they are. You have to be able to identify them. You have to know how they work.

You have to know what they do. Once you do that, then you can figure out ways around it or through it or even to be able to fight it. Until then, you're pretty much. just stuck in Zogworld. I'm not in Zog World anymore. My head's not there. I know who they are. I'm going to keep talking about them

because I want to see more people who agree with me who share my values wake up and I want my people to, I want more of our people to come to us. There will be, there's no, I don't believe in strength in numbers when it comes to politics, because it's always a small little group that dominates,

but also we have to be able to take that small little group thing and bring it into the real world for us. Have the vanguard, have another group of people, have a nice group of people who can, I don't know. Maybe we're all going to have to, maybe a bunch of people are going to have to move to a certain place. And maybe that's the way it works out. I know people who are doing that already.

But they're not announcing it. They're not bragging about it. They're not saying, oh, we're going to have this white ethnic state over here, white ethnic state over here. And, yeah, they're not doing that. You have to do something at this point. Or else you're just, if you may feel, yeah, if you're a listener to this program, particularly if you're a white male under the age of 40,

you're the guy who's supposed to be in charge. you're the guys you're supposed to be running your state legislator and be a senator in 15 years, and you're the guy who's supposed to be a CEO, and I understand that you've been systematically maliciously frozen out. Believe me, I get it. All four of us here have paid a price for doing what we do. All four of us are significantly poorer than we should be for doing what we do. But find your guys,

whether that's an active club or the old glory club, which is exploding in growth or something else, find a group of guys that will have your back and be solid and then use that. Because the state's capital S does state is not going to be reliable into the future. It's not going to function.

It's not functioning now. look at all the, you know, the power outages. And, I mean, it's getting easier and easier for hackers. It just take that stream yard got taken down the other day from what I understand. And, I mean, you know, we had lightning here that took down, took down a tree. It took almost 24 hours to get the power back on here. I mean, it's, it's everywhere. It's everywhere.

And unless we step up and, you know, figure out how to do things, these things on our own and make sure people are trained up on how to do these things, it's going to go to people who have, you know, two standard deviation IQ less than us and, you know, who, you know, can't tell you how they'd feel if they didn't eat breakfast this morning. Is that who you want running your water treatment plant? I don't think so. But that's pretty much where we are right now. But what if I forgot to take out the Giardia in the water this morning, Pete? It's going to happen. Yeah, let's leave it there. Charles, go ahead, promote.

I got nothing to promote, but I'll just say briefly that I do have two books on Amazon. If anybody's interested, they are the holistic guide to suicide, coping with ideation, suicide, ideation, depression, trauma. And I have whiskey and ashes and inebriates of vowels, maxims, and observations. If anybody would like to check them out, by all means, they both need new revisions, which I should probably get to. But if you like to check them out, I'd be happy for you to have them at your fingertips, especially the holistic guide to suicide, because as things worsen, I think it will only become more necessary for young men to see the forest in which they find themselves and to get out of it, the dire straits in which they find themselves.

You can find me on Twitter. I occasionally throw my thoughts out there at Whiskey and Ashes. And I'm often mentioning Pete in the program. So if you somehow miss Pete mentioning it, I'm pretty sure I'll repeat it as well. So I wish everybody out there all the best. God bless. Good luck. Take care of yourselves.

And as I always try and tell men, you are not built for comfort. That's a woman thing. That's a nesting thing. You are built for respect and you are built for glory. So I promise you as somebody who has been in penury for quite some time and up and down, if you can look at yourself in the mirror, that's one of the best gifts you can give yourself. And that's the one thing that you will find value in until your last breath. God bless all.

And thank you for having me, Pete. Of course. How about Jose? Yeah, you still find me at the same place on Twitter X at Jose Al-Nino and also my substack, Jose Niño unfiltered. I'm also writing at some new places now, such as Occidental Observer, Unz Review, and Libertarian Institute. That's just absolutely amazing. That you just said those three things that you're writing at all three of them. Yeah, you're, go check out. Really, a lot of people say, oh, Pete, how can you put out as much as much as you do? Go check out how much Jose puts out. It's absolutely remarkable.

So, yeah, check out. Go find him. Absolutely. Jose is one of the finest pros that I was working today. And I particularly enjoyed his, I've been enjoying his work in the American Free Press. So, you know, just read everything Jose writes. You'll be a much better off, better and warmed.

As for me, you can find me at the Fundamental Principle on Substack. I think Pete's got a link to that. We just interviewed Father James Monsley, the English priest who got suspended over COVID, and has been brave enough to talk about the stuff like that. That continues the pace and, you know, just got my telegram channel. So I want to thank Pete for having me and just reiterate, you know, support the people to support you. You know, by Charles's books, they're excellent.

You know, read Jose's writing. It's excellent. Kick beat a few bucks, whether it's on substack or elsewhere or whatever. You know, Pete does so much really, really important. important work between the series with Dr. Johnson and this new series on the U.S. role in the creation of Israel. And no one else would do this and no one else could do this. So, you know, please.

And I, you know, I contribute too. So I'm not asking you're doing anything I haven't done. Please kick a few bucks to do the cause. I know times are hard out there for folks. But, um, please do. I appreciate it, day. Thank you. And, gentlemen, until the next time, I always look forward to.

this and I know it's not always easy for all four of our schedules to line up, but a Saturday. It, like, it normally at the time that, um, that, that I'd be eating dinner and I would, there's no other place I'd rather be right now. Thank you. The thought crime syndicate is back and, uh, sorry about the delay. We, it's kind of hard to get the four of us, uh, nailed down at the same time. But yeah, I guess what we were talking about was I think everybody has something that they want to rant about. And I've already done a bunch of ranting this week. So I'll sit in the background and just comment. So go off, guys. Take it away, Dee. Well, I put this out on Telegram, but I mean, I don't know what else you guys want to talk about tonight. But the two or three

things that are top of mind for me are that poor girl in Scotland, the Dutch girl who just got murdered by an immigrant. The trucking thing in Florida with the seat guy who had his freaking feet on the dashboard and then, of course, this horrible, horrible church shooting in Minneapolis. And every single one of these problems,

everything. Just be big in it. Just put straight white guys in charge you can't. Just stop listening to women. Just stop pretending that everyone's the same. It's really just that simple. Like, last dude's with the last name, Ali, do not belong in Scotland.

Period. End of discussion. Then the little girl doesn't get threatened. Then the family doesn't, you know, like, hey, you know what, you know what solves the, the truck drivers who can't read English and make illegal uteruns? No Sikhs in America. What happens if we just relock up all the trunes? They can't shoot any kids. It's really, really easy.

Yep. It's, it's just simple. And we can't do anything because it would just require, I don't know, common sense from 1972. Fucking ridiculous. It's ridiculous. Yeah, it's maddening because, as you know, like, as you said, the solutions are uncomplicated. They are simple. We know the answer.

Do not let these people here. Do not put her in charge. That's it. It's that simple. The problem is that, again, we're afraid of being called names. We're afraid of being blacklisted. We're afraid of being socially unacceptable. But what's the point of who cares if one is socially unacceptable if there's no society?

What difference does it make? That's one of the reasons I've found it much easier to be emboldened these days, considerably easier to be emboldened. Because I know nobody's paying a fucking bit of attention to me. Not at all. They're all staring at their phones. They're all watching something on them. They're all just listening to something else. So nobody's listening to me in the real world.

I can just say almost anything I want. Just move on. It's maddening because you can see the solutions right in your face. When did things work? Who was in charge then? Who was in jail then? It's that simple. As I've said a billion times,

you don't even have to make like special laws or have all these new technologies. Just be like, yeah, she can't make decisions. That's it. Yeah, he can't come in here. That's it. It really is that simple. And it sounds like a dead trope at this point, but it just keeps getting truer and truer every day.

Import the third world, become the third world. Make women in charge of everything. Everything becomes a henhouse. That's it. These are just basic facts. We don't even need to have a philosophical debate. Like, just look at the reality. That's it.

That's it. I have literally made, and I'll jump off the soapbox and let you guys go off in a second. But I have literally made a career in blogging and in what little podcasting I do. Out of just being the guy that says the simplest possible things. Hey, you know what? Women are going to eventually go fix it. You know why? Because they don't like it when things get bad.

When it starts touching them, when they realize the stove is hot, then they want something done. Like, I don't say anything super complicated. Guys out there will have all these books and will have all these complaints of you. And you know what? They're great. They're wonderful. 10,000 word essays. Yeah, exactly. And you know what? I'm not knocking any of them. Some guys need that kind of thorough, in-depth analysis. And that's fine. But me, as Dee used to call me, you know, I'm just like the working class, Hertiste.

It's like, no, man, you can't do that because it's just dumb. Like, don't let her make your decisions. Don't let him do this. Don't let him drive the truck. Like, it's that easy. It really is that easy. So go ahead. Now somebody else has turned away. I'll just make a real quick comment and I'll let Jose go. Yeah, I think that Red Hawk said it best on the stream, the other night the OSC stream.

Women don't have political agency. And I'm sick and tired to pretend than they do. Absolutely. One of the things that I've said for years is like if you have no expectations of women, like all four of us run here pretty, you know, come from that kind of space, then you can't have any expectations of women. Of course they're going to make them decisions. They're fucking broads.

They're not supposed to make decisions. They're supposed to make what the most complicated decision they're supposed to make during the week is both what they're going to wear and what's for dinner on Tuesday. That's it. That's all. That's it's not. I mean, why are you burdening? This isn't hating them. This is actually caring about them.

Yeah. Exactly. I've said that on Moran Chakot. thousand times. If you're hearing me as a misogynist, you've completely missed my point. You've utterly and entirely missed my point. I'm trying to get a working society, a functioning society, wherein the majority of people are prosperous and healthy. Note, please note, I never said happy. I said prosperous and healthy. Happiness is something, and each individual has to work toward that. I've no hand in that. But that's what I'm trying to do. So as I said, I've said on Morancheck,

billion times. I am not a misogynist. I am trying to get the best results for as many people as I can humanly, humanly possibly do. Anyone else want to pick that one up? You're welcome to it. I want to hear what Jose has to say, but you've asked one question that needs to

answer Charles, and that is, who was in charge the last time stuff worked? And the answer is, what guys who smoked and drank like fish? That's the answer. That's exactly right. That's exactly right. And why did they smoke and drink like fish because they needed to, because they needed to cut down the stress, because they knew that these decisions are hard, and people's lives hang in the balance. That's why they don't

drive with their feet out the fucking window. That's why they play by the rules. That's why Joe Average is Mr. Boring to a lot of women. Why? Because he likes the idea that planes don't fall out of the sky. He likes the idea that trucks don't fly off the side of the road. He's crazy like that. Jose, go ahead. I'm sorry. I don't want to cut you off. You know, I agree that the stuff is not astrophysics. It's simple yet preventable evils that are being imposed on us. And like, as you said, Charles, it's actually kind of funny because when you have an insanely atomized and deracinated society, it does create a power vacuum for us to fill in because we're just going to be like, if you're just like the loudest people that don't care about society.

vital norms, especially when in an epoch where there's like none whatsoever because the society is so deracinated, alienated, and just bereft of a unified culture, it allows us to actually thrive and get as loud

as possible and speak about a lot of these simple yet uncomfortable truths. No one wants to talk about that the fact that when you bring in this cornucopia of non-white, non-European groups, you're going to get a disaster. And just to underscore this, I remember a few weeks ago when I was on a Greyhound bus and we had like a Chinese driver there and it was just like every other minute I was just like thinking like is there going to be like a crash going down and then add in like having all these Indian subcontinental people driving trucks.

I mean, you're just asking for a massive disaster. A lot of the things that we took for granted like safe roads, safe streets. just an organized society. It's all going to go out the window when you turn your polity into a tower of Babel. But most people these days won't embrace it.

But I think as us is the loud and increasingly organized minority, I'm actually much more optimistic because our message stands out. And in a society where of just blind people, those who have some degree of vision, they are able to wield

inordinate amounts of power. and we just have to keep pushing this envelope. That's brilliantly stated, man. I really like that, the Tower of Babel analogy. That's absolutely fantastic. And you're right. It goes back to what D has said countless times. So I'm going to bring that up too.

Where D has said, like, it's not even a matter of hate. It's a matter of these people are incompatible with our way of life. Full stop. We're not even getting to hate. We're just getting, they can't keep their feet off the dash. They can't keep their eyes on the road. Or in the aggregate. Sure.

I mean, we, you know, sure, Europeans have individuals like that, too. We can sit here and go knack salt all day. But we're talking about in the aggregate as a society, as a people. Some are unable to maintain these standards and others are able to maintain these standards. One thing Thomas 777 said a long time ago that I really got a laugh out of. I forget he was debating somebody online exactly. But he made an offhand comment like, oh, sure, because Italians are known to be dispassionate accountant. And I laughed my ass off at that.

Being of Italian descent, I didn't think he was taking a personal. Yeah, right? That's great. Like, I didn't take it as a personal stab. Like, oh, these stupid day goes, blah, blah, blah. Like, no, he was just acknowledging people are different. These people are like X. Those people are like, why?

Like, if I want my accounting done, I'm not going to ask Spadiel. I'm going to ask somebody else. And it's like, that's fine. That's great. I didn't take it as some kind of personal affront. It's just a simple, realistic attitude. And there was an old joke, I'm going to mess it up. But it's something along the lines of if you get a Frenchman, an Englishman, and an Italian,

and you have to put them all in different positions. One's cooking and one's government, et cetera, et cetera. I don't even remember the whole joke, but the audience, I'm sure, has heard it a billion times. And it's a great joke because it acknowledges the realities of people. Like some people are good at certain things, others aren't. And like you were saying, Jose, what this Tower of Babel does by trying to, to make everybody this mush, this caramel goo is it takes away, sure, it takes away their individual

flaws to some extent, but it also takes away what makes them special, what makes them good at things. And then when you destroy it, that's why you have the whole system collapse, because now you don't have this person adding X, that person adding Y. Go ahead. Yeah. Well, I mean, if everyone has no rough edges, then there's nothing for anything to grab on. And then, and then. Bam.

What else? You know, you're going to, if any of you've ever read, like, Caravaggio's life, or, you know, he was a complete, like, womanizer and, and, like, gotten fights and duels and all kinds of other stuff. But he was also one of those brilliant painters who ever lived. Is Mel Gibson, the kind of guy that, like, you know, is boring on Tuesday? No, he's completely out of control. He's nuts, you know, but he's also the greatest, one of the greatest filmmakers who ever lived. and you can't everything comes with upsides

everything comes with downsides right something you learn and we in this tower Babel society right run mostly by school marms they want all the upsides and none of the downsides

it's like okay well you can have Negroes here but they're going to be violent and they're going to get arrested and they're going to get shot by police and they're going to get hung by people because that's just what's going to happen when you have Negroes that get out of control. And the upside might not be worth the downside. But the downside exists and you have to deal with it. And, you know, foreigners who don't read English drive in 80,000 pound trucks, right,

who have literally no concept of other people. They're literally just out for themselves. Right? Life is cheap. They believe in reincarnation. So, eh, I killed a bunch of folks. They'll just come around again. Doesn't matter.

Right. Countankula actually has a great video about by Indians get hit by trains all the time that you guys should check out. If you're fans of the OGC live stream, which you should be, and you love that train, train whistle, which I do, then you should definitely check it out. But we're talking about people, 1.4 billion people that consequences don't matter because if somebody dies, they'll just come back. two they have no consideration for other people because they're just out for themselves if you're helpful if you're kind if you're patient you're just a sucker who's going to get taken advantage of and three like they're don't and they racially resent you because they were ruled by you for a thousand you know for by ruled but they've they've never ruled themselves they've always been ruled by other people.

So they have no history of ruling themselves. They've always been ruled by other people, whether it was the Mughals or the or not the last 300 years, 400 years, 500 years, 500, or the British or whatever. So why are you expecting them to be

capable of self-government? The kind of behavior that self-government requires. You know, you can't have, they can't even queue properly. So I mean, like, you know, little white kids learn how to like stand in line properly in first grade. Kindergarten. So why are you expecting this?

You know, and we have our own homegrown, you know, problems, liberal white women intrans. But we could deal with that as a society. You know, the FBI is listening to this call right now or the NSA. The NSA is recording this call and tracing IP addresses so that they, could find all four of us down to where we live in a heartbeat. The FBI will put people at January 6th, hundreds of them, to the point where we don't know exactly how many, but lots, you know. And somehow they can't find the murdered trainee death cult, the 09-8 people.

It's like, okay, so you're going to bother people who are just trying to make the place better and not go after, well, then it sounds to me like you're on the side of people who want to murder kids. Because if you could stop them and you don't, because you're too busy listening on into Pete Kornornis' podcast, which DHS is apparently doing, Pete, and if I have had confirmation of that, then you're not doing something as simple as like, hey, maybe the people who worship demons and deal with demons and have, and, Everyone should listen to Pete's episode with Stormy and Philos, right? It was what last Tuesday, Pete? They're dealing with people who were possessed by devils.

And the FBI is more interested in listening to this show than finding those people. So if you're not interested in actually doing the job, get out of the way and let us do it. Put Charles in charge. Put Pete in charge. Put Jose in charge. you know, Jose is the last, one of the last, like, half dozen actual journalists who writes in America today. And everything you read in the New York Times is bullshit.

Not because they're outright trying to lie, but because, like, just making stuff up. I mean, they do some of that, too, but, but because they just refuse to acknowledge real facts. Like, every story about the NFL season starting up here soon, right? Every story about football players doesn't include, oh, by the way, these guys are, like, really dumb and really violent and really entitled. and it's a bad combination. And I'm just sick to sick my back teeth of having to deal with in a society with people who just won't be honest. One of the points that Sam Parker made on Jose's show,

and this is something that people really need to open their eyes to is, the fact that this social engineering regime, the people who commissioned the authoritarian personality, books like that, well, they decided that they were going to flood white countries with Muslims. Until they realized, oh, wow, historically, we've gotten along with Muslims pretty well. Now they seem to hate us. So now what are they doing? Now some of them are actually pushing for deportations while in the background seeking to flood white countries with Indians.

why because indians are zionists i mean until you start waking up until the to these realities you're not going to be able to you're not going to be able to see exactly what's happening why the indians why they want oh they want to bring indians in because they they'll make this amount they'll work for this amount no no they're a bio weapon yeah much like Haitians yes their brown nosers quite literally

it for the Judeo-American regime and yeah they there I've been arguing there's been somewhat of a implicit pact by organized Jewry and the broader Indian diaspora to establish

this whole the Talmudic curry regime that is taking root across the Anglo sphere you can see it with guys like Rishi Sunni and this whole cornucopia of Indian CEOs of like big tech companies in the U.S. And they're just like a servile lot that's going to cause a ton of trouble.

Because yeah, as I mentioned before, these people have totally different norms from like the most basic stuff like getting in like a single file line to driving norms that creates mass chaos when you bring in millions of these people into the roads. That's going to create social dysfunction. And guess what? it's not an organic process like some people would like you to believe this stuff is by design it's done to generate chaos and um continue to demoralize and and eventually demographically displaced this country so yeah um be really careful with some of the tricks being played you'll get some of these deportations of insert ex muslim arab guy who complains about um about the treatment of the gossens but then it gets replaced by 10 Hinduva supporting Indians that are going to take your

tech jobs and create like a new anti-white overclass so yes be aware of this stuff it goes back what you were saying earlier Dee with the whole these people have never ruled themselves it's sort of a marriage made in hell and the fact that these people have never ruled

themselves so they're already geared to be slaves of a regime so when these would be overseers, these would-be masters come in and go, hey, we need a, we need a, shall we say a group of people to serve our interests and we're going to throw you some scraps here and there. You can live off of the scraps of a powerful civilization. Well, that's just a marriage made in hell. I mean, that's just absolutely perfectly blended.

People that naturally think themselves superior to everyone else with a group that's been under the heel of, you know, pretty much everybody they've ever encountered. They're going to, they're going to blend perfectly together in a way that really will be deleterious to the rest of the world. Go ahead, Dee. Well, I was going to say that they're editing Wikipedia for early life right now because it tells the truth, right? Yeah. Like Congress is discussing the echoes meme that a buddy of mine made up in a Facebook group like nine years ago. Great priorities there.

Right? Like, and it is literally just like, oh, hey, wouldn't it be funny if we put this thing around these parentheses around these people's names and that way, you know, like it was a side way. And now like Congress is being like, oh, no, we can't discuss the fact that like half the people that were in Biden's cabinet were Jews that a huge chunk of Trump's cabinet's Jews, that Howard Ludnik is like a barnacle on the president. Like, can we just, can we discuss this? Just maybe. And also neighbors with Jeffrey Epstein. Can we discuss that? Can we talk about the fact that the guy who's supposedly going to make America great again economically,

who the tariffs have failed? There hasn't been re-entering a job. Everything just costs more. Can we talk about the fact that that guy says Zionist Jew? Can we talk about the fact that, you know, the Ghazans just killed, or not the Ghazans, the Israelis just killed the prime minister of Yemen. Can we talk about, like, hey, before you like do the, hey, let's you and him fight thing, Can you not pick fights with literally all of your neighbors?

Can you not kill people in Gaza and Yemen and West Bank and Syria and Lebanon and? I love how many. I love how many of our so-called friends will be like, no, just let them kill. No, I'm not, I'm not going to back up a brown person against my enemy. Literally, when they go and kill those people, that's when they become your enemy. there was no you know monacham began admitted that he

brought terrorism to the Middle East and the whole world that it didn't exist yeah before Zionists went to Zionists decided that they were going to start their little project terrorism did there's this whole you ever hear that old story about how

some American some American retarded friggin general went and fought the Muslims and then they they dipped all the blood in, they dipped all the bullets in pigs' blood, and they shot all of them except one. They told them to go, yeah, that's all fake.

It's all fucking bullshit. Jews invented, Zionist Jews invented terrorism and brought it to the Middle East. Yeah, they're the ones behind the King David of a hotel bombing. They're the ones behind, um, they were literally going to poison the wells, man. And, in, I mean, you know, before you, and I mean I listed pretty much everything Pete does so you know I mean I'm I've learned an awful lot but to do a call back to the to the you know the excellent probably 200 episodes together

series with Dr. Johnson it's it's like so-and-so um Ginzburg and I'm like I bet my bottom dollar that whoever this is Ginsburg is related to you know the former super Court justice. And then it'll be some other Jewish name is prominent. Like I, names aren't coming to mind immediately. But like, it's the same people. It's the same families. It's the same people. The Kagan cult has been in charge of our foreign policy for the

entirety of my adult life. How insane is that? I'm a middle-aged guy. And for the last 20 years, my children have never known a world where the Kagan's weren't fomenting war in the Middle East and getting Christians killed. You know, Tucker Carlson said it greatly. You know, it seems to me the end result of our foreign policy in the Middle East is a bunch of dead Christian kids. Why would we do that? We're supposed to be a Christian country.

Why? Well, why, you know, to their great credit cardinal Bittsabala and the patriarch of the Greek patriarch are pulling the, you know, Leonardo de Caprio scene from Wolf of Wall Street, you know, screw you. I ain't leaving. They're staying. But they're outright saying, you know, the judge. Jewish, some Jewish talk to talk about on Twitter. Like, you have Jews threatening to kill Christians. And then when Christians say, hey, that's wrong.

You have American Zionists being like, well, obviously the Christians are wrong. No, these people are disgusting. If you aren't willing to say, tell the truth and at least as much as Pete does, get out of the media. You're a lying sack of crap. Put down your, put down your microphone. Stop your blog. stop your podcast, stop doing whatever it is you're doing, because you're going to lie. You're lying.

The only issue we have in front of us right now is Jewish occupation. Jews are the ones responsible for bringing in Indians. Jews are the ones responsible for the Trune Movement. Jews are the ones responsible for immigration into Europe. Jews are the ones responsible for our fiscal crisis. You can't point to an issue to mean right today that it couldn't have been solved by anti-Semitism and bigotry towards non-straight white men. You can't point one.

You can't do it. Lock up the trunes. It's some power of the Jews. It's that simple. Yeah. To add on to the topic of like not caring what's happening in the Middle East, the thing is the issue with Israel is that you have the entire media sector, private sector, and the U.S. government taking aside.

on in Middle Eastern conflicts, especially with regards to Israel. So you're going to have to care about it one way or the other because you're, organized Jewry is accumulating enemies each day, which could turn into blowback in the U.S. and the broader West. This is not like some Tigray versus Aromo conflict in Ethiopia because of the fact that the U.S. is not involved there. This is a conflict where the Empire Judaica has its fingerprints all over it, and it's going to blow back on us. And I would also cite one of Pete's episodes with Jayant Bandari, who is like one out of like 20 million Indian subcontinentals who knows the score, how this is like a totally alien culture.

And this episode should serve as a wake-up call to the GDP. reductionists and the assimilationist crowd that thinks that they can just bring in 10 million people from the Indian subcontinent somehow they'll be integrated into the U.S. economy and broader society without issue. That should dispel and disabuse them of these ridiculous notions. Well, yeah, what he said was, and this was, you know, this is one of those things that's very easy to miss when, you know, somebody's talking and saying. a lot. But what he said was, you haven't met the average Indian yet. That should scare the living

hell out of you. India can send, India at this moment can send two million people to every country in the world and still have a billion people left over. All 100. You could, you could replace the entire population of the United States, the entire white population of the, of the United States, Canada, Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Australia, New Zealand. So basically, the white diaspora countries and the white South Africans, you could replace all of the white people in all of those countries and India would still have over a billion people. I mean, if that, yeah, I read Camp of the Saints on the show the whole thing. the attitude of the Indians in that book, in that novel, it wasn't cartoonish.

You see it what they say on social media when you're not, you know, they're not going to say it to your face, obviously. I mean, you can knock one of them over with, you know, with the back of your hand. Yeah. Yeah. But you can see what they, what they think of you. white boy they hate you they want your fucking country you you think you think muslims and and africans in europe is bad replace them with indians replace that number with indians and see what you get look at canada right now canada is i'm more fearful of immigration from canada than i am from mexico

Because it is just loaded. There's like 10 million. I've heard numbers of 10 million Indians there in a country of 36 million, 40 million. Yeah. I mean, they're fucked. Well, it's what Charles has to had been done in Twitter for the last, what, five years? You know, the only solution now is bloody and the longer you wait, the bloody or the inevitable is going to be. Like, I am sorry.

Like that, you know, There was last year or two years ago, but there was an entire. And Pete, you know, because you're a fellow hockey fan, just how big a deal this was. An entire junior hockey team was killed in a similar fashion to those poor folks in Florida by an Indian truck driver. You know, like half a dozen, dozen good looking white guys that all got killed on a bus because Indian truck drivers. And, and if there, it's always useful to, you know, I don't want to do the whole like, but what if there's shoes on the other foot? Ah, you know, that's, we all know.

But just, just think about this, right? If in September 2002 or 2001, the Arab peoples of the earth had as much military power and fiscal might and population, as the white people, if the situations were reversed, does anyone think that there'd be like a free white person alive on earth? By like 2010? Alive, but certainly not free. I mean, right. I mean, we know it would be white slavery like crazy.

We know that. Come on. Yeah, of course. But we all know that every white nation would have been smashed. Every, you know, every white military would have been destroyed. It's just what would have happened in similar fashion. If a bunch of white people moved to India and then killed a bunch of Indian kids, does anyone think that there would be a white person remaining in India left alive? They'd riot and kill everybody.

So this whole like, oh, well, we need to be fair. Like, no. This is us being fair. Us kicking all of you out. You know, deportation is the moderate option. Yeah, exactly. exactly right. That is the moderate option. Because if you're

going to, if you won't leave, and you're going to be a parasite, and I know Charles has talked about this, like there's the graph, right? White people, over their lifetimes, contribute $120,000 net tax receipts. Mexicans contribute like a net negative $500,000.

Blacks are negative $750,000. Right. Okay. We can't have a bunch of net negative parasites. show up and have things function. It just won't work. So go home and go be a negative somewhere else. It's really that easy.

Like, you've turned the sacred Ganges into a garbage dump. I would like the Mississippi to not be a garbage dump, please, or the Ohio or, you know, or any river I care about. I would like the Columbia to not be a gigantic dump but I've been to state parks in Washington where there are Jets and they just leave trash out they would turn the Columbia into the Ganges given enough time

and enough of them and there are because Microsoft is headquartered there and Microsoft has an Indian CEO and once that happened I was in downtown Seattle a couple a couple months back and my family was like the only white people there there were Jets everywhere. It was awful. Yeah. I mean, when I started this, this goes back to 1991 when I just gotten out of high school and my driver's license. And I started noticing this in my area where they were starting to get all the local gas stations. I don't know that I've talked about it on this program, but I know I've talked about it on others.

My first experience was when I went into one of the local gas stations. They had American flags all over it and was owned by a white guy who at this point in my life now, was probably 15, 20 years younger than I am now, but he seemed so much older then. And he was talking to me, he's bemoaning to me. He's like, I'm going to be out of business in three months. And I said, I don't understand it. You've got the best gas station on the highway here. I mean, I don't get it.

This was where I grew up near Camden, New Jersey. So I don't get it. Why do you, why would you be out of business? You got a clean place. You're honest. You give good service. I don't get it. And he's like, well, because look over there.

That's Indians. He points to another one. that's Indians. Points to another one. That's Indians. And this is in 1991. This is 34 years ago. And he says,

because I pay taxes that they don't. And he says, they all get their family in here. And it's all immigration fraud. It's all, it's all fraud. It's all getting their families to work for him for nothing.

And he says, I still remember this to this day. And he says, they're going to put me out of business. And sure enough, he was gone in three months. And I will tell, you since 1991. If I walk into a business and I see Indians run it, I walk right back out. I walk right back

out. I have been with girls I've dated and we walk into a sandwich shop, a subway or something. And they'll be like, and I'll see him behind the counter. I'm like, nope, I'm done. Thanks. And she'll go, but I'm really hungry. I was like, you can be hungry. We're leaving. At one time I let her do it because I was like, you know what? Hey, sure. You know what? Okay. Go ahead. I'm not going to get anything, but you do it. They gave her a hard time and tried to cheat her, and she complained the whole way. It was like, hey, honey, I told you, these people do not belong here. They are not like us. They will never be like us. And again, this isn't even about hate. It's just about I want to live a certain way. They don't want to live a certain way. And that's why deportation is the modern option.

Like, I'm willing to just put you on a bus, on a train, and a box car and roll you out of here. Hail hardy and whole. But if you don't want that option, I can think of plenty of others. That's right. So many, many, many, many years ago when I was in college, I worked summer's construction, right? And I was expediting for folks. And I got to drive a truck. Wasn't even acquired a CDL.

But I had to drive like, you know, a bigish truck. And I never wore, you know, slip on shoes. to drive. But I was told by, you know, multiple, like the foreman and multiple old heads. Like if you drive with, you know, MF sandals, right? These guys, these are construction guys and, you know, loggers and they're, um, they're a little salty. So I, I won't, um, but I was told to know in certain terms. Like, like, you never drive with sandals.

If you could slip on your foot can slip off your foot. what happens with you know what happens if a sandal gets stuck between you know just nothing loose nothing you know just just i was it was drilled into me every single like every time you get behind the wheel you know so old guy probably younger than i am now like you said charles but i you know to me at the time he seemed like this font of ancient wisdom he's probably in his late 30s older guy named mike mike wrote a Harley to him from where he said listen kid you know probably smoked a pack a day drank like a fish you know kind of guy that used to to run things and make things work.

We're sitting there on break one day's. This kid, I drive a Harley to and from work. You're driving like a three and a half, four-ton missile. You hit me with that. The wife buries me in a sandwich bag. And what there's a left to me is on the road gets picked up with a spatula. Don't fuck around with the truck. All right.

You know, he just, and I'm grateful to him. because that that you know these these guys that that made it very very serious like this is this is there are consequences if you fuck around with these sorts of things right um we're talking about people who don't do consequences they don't think about them they can't think about them like like there's a poster like you know Africans literally have no words for maintenance and no concept of the future their languages do not their philosophies are incapable of thinking about the future So if you can't think about what's happening in 20 minutes,

how are you supposed to get anywhere on time? How are you supposed to be relied upon for things like, I don't know, medicine, vital supplies, food? And if you can't think of consequences, how can you be trusted with something as basic as like driving a truck? And India has the same problem. The average IQ in India is, what, 76? I mean, we don't know because it's impossible to test all 1.4 billion.

Like, how dumb do you think the dollars who eat rats are? Do you think that there's a secret couple, you know, 170 IQ geniuses amongst those people? Or are they mostly just like barely sentient animals that are exposed to all kinds of really disgusting diseases because they eat rats? They worship rats. They have, they have temples full of rats, thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of rats. And they just sit there. Like, no, what are the Black Plague? originated India.

You people are disgusting. I viscerally like get the hippie-jeebies when I see this sort of thing. Like like it's it's gross. It's vile. It's evil. What are we doing bringing these people here? Yeah. That's my big.

Like you go to truck stops today and there'll be truck stops in rural North Dakota that I'll stop at. And there'll be Indians. Just toss it. Just. Shit on the side of the road. Human feces. Like, what?

What? You know, I kind of like a society where we don't get massive diseases and cholera outbreaks and dysentery. You know, I played enough Oregon Trail as a kid that I, dysentery is bad. Okay. I looked it up. It's bad. Bad things happen when you get dysentery. Can we not recreate the conditions to give everyone dysentery?

Can we do that, please? It was very difficult to be. beat dysentery. Can we try? But no. No, because Indians are more important because Wikipedia's early life is a threat to national security. All because this little ethosate, the size of New Jersey, has to pick fights with all of its neighbors. And they're the ones who actually produce stuff that people want. They know they cannot exist on their own. I mean, this is a state that knows that it can't exist on their own. And normally a state that size would become a client state to somebody else.

But you don't have to be a client state if you have a diaspora with 500 billionaires. You just don't. I don't know if it's 500. I haven't asked Grock lately. But I mean, if it's 50 billionaires. if it's you and you have and you have people if you know 457 of them are working in the Biden White House and if 70% of his cabinet is there and if they run the bank if they have own the city of London in I mean it there's it's a parasite it's just a it's this gigantic you know I mean I mean I'm I hate to bring up memes from friggin 100 years ago, but it's an octopus. The tentacles are everywhere.

And until people want to, until people are willing to look at left wing Jews and right wing Jews and say, I don't care who they hate, I don't care. We need to talk about the fact that they think that they rule over us and that they're better than us. Oh, and to their own, I mean, like, you know, it's probably last year or two years ago now, but listen to the episode Pete and I did about Dennis Prager, who I used to love. I used to listen every day. Every day I listened to Dennis. I thought he was the wisest man on talk radio. And he himself says, everyism is a Naziism. That was our idea, feminism, environmentalism, communism, socialism, socialism. Okay, Dennis, I believe you. You're, you know, Prager You is attempting to replace PBS in certain classrooms, not because Prager You has actually, you know, high quality programming that people need to see.

Excuse me. The CEO of Prager U is a unit 8200 veteran, right? Like the Israeli NSA. They're trying to replace it because there were people at Frontline who were, you know, old school liberals who told the truth about Gaza. It's not because, you know, conservative or whatever. No, like this, it's literally just because occasionally PBS would have like Pat Buchanan on and talk about. Well, the thing, well, it goes, it goes a little deeper than that. There, and, and we heard Jonathan Greenblatt admit this.

They've lost the youth. And basically anybody who's, anybody who's under 50 just doesn't care. And boomers, you know, the older, you know, boomers are. dying off. And Gen Xers pretty soon will be dying off or life will be so, you know, horrible that no one's going to care. I mean, over, over half the country has already abandoned them. So they have to take over schools.

They have to take over the education. What do you think the whole point of, of Prager, you taking over Oklahoma's public school curriculum is going to be to teach everybody that like one of, I forget what the name of the lady in our, in our government, a government official said, say, you know, United States is the best country in the world. Oh, except for Israel. That would be, that would be former radio talk show host and noted muff diver lesbian Tammy Bruce, who used to be, right? And, you know, she was a hard charging conservative who didn't like the Muslims because of that. they're mean to the gays.

And now she's an official in the State Department. And, you know, 20 years ago, I was all for like that kind of stuff. I'm like, yeah, Western civilization means anti-Muslim, because they've been at war with us for 1,400 years. And I still don't particularly like Muslims. But, you know, when it comes to the mouthy Jewish lesbians, I think they might have a point, you know? And here's this quote.

Yeah, she's wealthy. She's powerful. she's she's done that on the backs of of white Christians because because Jews have that same that whole attitude of um like if you're not getting scammed if you're not the one if you're not scamming people you're the one getting scammed and you're a sucker you're a fryer yeah the Jews have that same attitude amongst themselves they can't do business in Israel they need they need chabas goi because uh that they need people to be honest for them yeah they're they're it's a parasite civilization I mean, they need access to the talents and capital stock of white civilization.

And that's the microcosm of how they were able to set up their little ethnosate. Because without taking over governments like the UK, the United States and the broader Western sphere, they can't be able, they're not able to survive. They need the military aid, the defense of the shipping lanes, the economics. So as Israel on its own is just a dumpster. Like, it's just like a bunch of, their economy is literally, like, just produces diamonds and ransomware, spyware and all this stuff. And it's predicated off of them scamming each other. You can't really build a society. And, like, the whole creation of Israel is just like a, like, multi-century, if not millennia, conspiracy of diaspora Jews accumulating enough money through usury, like theft and outright murder to set up, like, an ethno state.

And yeah, they need, they absolutely need access to us. They demand, and it's not a normal nationalism either, because as I mentioned before, they're a diaspora and they want to control every facet of it because that's part of how they roll. And yeah, it's a completely alien civilization. And do not listen to these conservatism, ink types that talk about this polityism of bootstrapping nation. When it's heavily dependent on Western aid, capital, and all of that, it's just ridiculous at this jump. sure. Well, let me, let me jump in there for a second. The three of you. Has anyone read you, Gentiles by Morty Samuel? I've not. I have, yes. Nope. Okay. There's a line in there that I think

most people probably when they read it, they, it's very easy to pass over. And when I was reading it, and I've been reading it for my, my supporters recently, it, it, it, I got punched in the face. It said, you Gentiles, when we try to imitate you, it goes horribly wrong. And what's more imitate, I mean, they've never had a functioning civilization. They've never had a functioning country. Read your Old Testament. Look at the New Testament. They've never been able to rule themselves.

Curse of the eighth decade. And then all, yeah, and then they come to, and then they come to, oh, we're going to start our own nation. We're going to, we're going to start our own nation over here. And what a, they can't do it on their, they can't even do it having billionaires around the world, sending them money, supporting them, controlling, controlling governments, controlling industries. They can't even make it work. They are a diaspora people. They are a homeless people. always be a homeless people because they can't they can't do what we did build a civilization and i

understand that you know you know according to according to spangler when you get to civilization the high culture is dying i'm using so i'm not using civilization in the spanglarian sense they can't build a civilization because they can't do what we did and now you're seeing the results of it i'd like to tie a lot of this together like you're absolutely right beat they can't do we did. And you're absolutely right, Jose, when you say that this is just a completely dysfunctional area, you don't buy into the hype. And it also goes back to what Dee was saying about the way these people live. To me, it all boils down to the same thing. It's these are very spiritually feminine people. They're very naturally low trust people because, again, they're spiritually feminine. They're extremely

low trust. This is why I find, and that's why I think they fail constantly. That's why whenever they, as the quote goes, whenever we try and copy you, it goes wrong. It goes catastrophically wrong. Because again, they're not actually copying what we're doing. They're building a, they're building a wicker airplane and thinking it's going to fly. It's just another version of cargo calls. Cargo, that's so beautiful. That's so beautiful, man. Thank you. Yeah, and it's, that's really what it is. But what to really bring the point home that I would like to present is, this is why I personally find Sasha Baron Cohen so utterly repellent. I mean, to the very core of my being, I loathe that man.

And as a Christian, I find that hard to say because I'm not supposed to loathe people. Supposed to loathe evil, not people. And I'm getting to my point right now. The reason Sasha Baron Cohen is so vile is because when you look at his comedy that he made, air quotes, comedy, and you pay close attention to it. Or you don't even really have to pay close attention. But just look at it. Look at it objectively.

And you'll see what he's mocking is high trust. Ha, ha, you rubes are listening to me. Ha, ha, you people are buying my story. Ha, ha, you people are trying to help me. And it's disgusting. As a person of European descent and as a Christian, I find that absolutely abhorrent. This is the greatest gift that we have as a people. And hey, Dee, you know what?

Let's try and work together and get out of this dump. Let's try and make life better. Hell, let's try and survive dysentery. Let's work together. That's why we have what we had. A lot of guys can try and argue with me. Oh, well, you know, it's genetics and IQ and all that. It's like, okay, maybe you're right.

I don't know. Maybe. But for me, it all comes down to high trust. If I order 100 pounds of concrete from Pete, and Pete goes, okay, and he sends me 100 pounds of concrete, I can start building things. But if I order 100 pounds of concrete from Dowling and he sends me 50, well, now I'm screwed. And they wonder why these countries can't get anywhere because nobody trusts each other. Nobody, everybody just plays the prisoner's dilemma. So that's why I really feel that a lot of these places are dysfunctional and doomed to eternal dysfunctionality.

Yeah, until, and you can read the, like, Viking saga stuff, like, how avaricious they were about, like, one good cup. It's like, well, and there's no trees on Iceland, like a cup, like, it's a big deal, okay? So it's not like white people were always super, super high trust and wonderful and perfect and everything. It took a thousand years of Christian civilization to make them, you know, capable of building the empires that they built. Right. And, you know, Roman civilization before that. And there is a huge genetic component of these sorts of things. But to use your concrete example, right?

If everybody, you know, 100 pounds of concrete goes down the river, and from the from from from from the factory and you know everyone who handles it takes takes a pound because like as a fee well aren't you already getting paid well yeah but everyone understands like it's part of my fee that i get a pound of concrete you know for every hundred you know for well 80 pounds come by and i take a pound okay why are we importing people in our society that do that and anytime we try to organize amongst ourselves it doesn't matter whether it's Eric Arval. It doesn't matter whether it's the old glory club.

It doesn't matter if it's political parties or just groups of guys who like the podcast, getting together. Oh, no. There's a new movie coming out like in September or something with Jessica Chastain. Talk about how she's this savant and how there's this, you know, like far right, you know, neo-Nazi terrorist network that's going to destroy the world and kill a bunch of people. and right, okay. Yeah, okay. You had someone in a white polo shirt and khakis just like Charlottesville. Thank you for the hit me over the head with it again.

Anytime we try to organize to do that, even not to oppress anybody else, just to, you know, every Indian has a local Indian business network that we're not allowed into. They'll give each other loans. They'll co-sign for stuff. They'll help each other out. through classes. They'll hook you up with an accountant. If we try to do that, it's a white supremacist gang. And white people just need to stop being fair, especially the Jews. Because kicking them out and taking all their stuff, you know, the capital controls that that one German government

did from like 1934 to 1937, that is being fair. Because you Israelis wouldn't have your billions, if it weren't for the fact that in America, when someone signs a contract for 100 pounds of concrete, they get 100 pounds of concrete. And you wouldn't have been able to build your Home Depot without tens of millions of honest white Americans doing their job for you and making you money. So that fortune, you actually did not build that yourself. That belongs to America and not to Israel. And you can't keep using your money to, you know, blackmail politicians and and have sex with little kids. How hard is this to just,

to just not? Yeah, we, we know, and we've said it enough that, well, I don't think we've said it enough, and he continued to be said that we're under an occupation. We've been under an occupation for a long time. Until people with power, with money,

who are, are sick of it, you know, who have a feel like they have a greater right, a greater birthright to this land and to everything that's here until we have people who are like actually willing to step up and practice nobles, subliege, concepts like that, really take ownership in it. We're not going to. I mean, that's why I will not. I will not. counter signal Tucker Carlson at all. And because he's speaking to people I can't speak to. I don't care. He's, yeah, I say this all the time. You know, he'll be like, you know, oh, you know, I don't hate Israel. I don't hate Jews. And then he'll go on a rant for an hour.

Just tearing him apart. It's just what he does. It's just the way wasps act. And, you know, I'm not going to say that I, I, I know for a fact, everything that he believes. I'm, you know, when the camera's off, may have heard some things. But the people who are counter signaling him because, oh, his father was in the CIA, and he might have done some CIA stuff. And he lied about it and everything. I'll tell you that's something. I fucking lie about it, too.

Because people are just a bunch of spurgy little faggots who think that They're going to solve the problems of the world with their little podcasts. I'm not that. Look, I hear that people, that a lot of people you wouldn't expect listen to my podcast. I don't let that go to my head. I don't think I'm changing anything. But someone like Tucker is speaking to not only his audience, but his audience includes elites, includes people with power.

and Tucker doesn't even have to be our guy. Tucker could actually be working actively against us and still achieve our goals for us. Because when somebody tells you, when somebody uses a term gatekeeper when it comes to people like Tucker, they don't know what the fuck they're talking about. Gatekeeping has no, gatekeeping is not the right word. Find something else to use. You sound like a fucking retard. gatekeeping is what you do when you're hiring someone into your company and you make them fill out a

resume and you do a background check on them or if you have a fraternity and you don't want certain people to come in that's gatekeeping Tucker maybe not being you know 99% of the people who are alive right now no matter what you expose them to are never going to be as radical as we are And until you get that through your fucking skull and you stop and people stop thinking like Democrats like, oh, it's democracy. And we just have to get if we get 13 percent, if we get 20 percent, then we can start. You don't even know what you would do with those people. You have no. What are you going to do with them?

Oh, well, you know, well, yeah, shut up. Let Tucker cook. Let him do what he's doing. Every once in all, he says something that's really fucking cringe. I don't care. I ignore that. As long as he's not actively counter signaling me or, you know, he all of a sudden does an about face on Israel and talking about, you know, I mean, there's a guy who drops all the time of who's running this country. Are Americans even running this country?

Understand that there are people out there who are not going to be able to say the fucking thing out loud. maybe they can when they get to a certain point, but that point isn't now. Well, first of all, his house was attacked by communists for less than what he's saying now. And, well, all of your favorite national socialists

might not be reading Tucker. I guarantee you someone in the office of every U.S. senator is every single one, every single U.S. senator. and when he called out Speaker Mike Johnson number three in line for the presidency Ted Cruz and said, why are you

supporting the genocidal Israeli occupation of Gaza and the destruction of the Christian population? That took brass. That took real stones for him to do that. And I could be like, well, you know, he could do more than that I would like.

But I will take 90, you know, if Tucker gets a, to Pat Buchanan in America, you know what? I, in that sort of environment, I can get us the other 10% or the other 20% or whatever it is. Because all the trunes will be locked up. All the Democratic conspiracies

against rights would be shut down. I'd have free speech. I'd have a right to do business. Jose would have his own column in the New York Times. Pete would be on W.A.B.C. running the afternoon drive time show. And in that kind of environment, either you believe we're telling the truth

and we're right about everything or you don't. And if you really believe that we're telling the truth and we're right about everything, believe it. I don't believe in democracy, but I do believe in the truth. And all I've ever tried to do is tell the truth. And once we do that,

we'll get there. It's really not complicated. We'll get across the finish line by just telling the truth. And if Tucker's getting us 90% of the way there, then I guess it's up to us to do the other 10% or 20% or 70% or 70%. Whatever he's pushing the ball in the right direction.

And that's important. You know, God bless him, he stood up for those poor Christians in Gaza. That's the only thing that matters internationally to me right now is the fate of those people. And he's had two Christians from Gaza on in the last year because he had that Lutheran pastor on last Christmas

and he had Mother Stephanopoulos on like a month ago and that's the most important I mean we're under occupation you want to end the occupation starts with noticing who's in charge

and why are all these white Christians you know helping Israel? I can tell you personally I used to be you know in file a semi and I've talked about it I'm really, really mad, like really, really volcanically angry about how I was deceived into supporting people who hate me and hate my children and hate my faith and hate my fellow Christians. You know, Iraq was a good place for Christians before the invasion. Iran was a good place for Christians. Still is actually.

But Syria was a good place for Christians. Lebanon was a good place for Christians. then all those people were destroyed. Had the best of Jews. And if the average good old boy in a Southern Baptist church wakes up to that fact, the Jews are doomed. And they know they've lost everyone under 40. I'm in my mid-40s now.

You know, I'm old for, you know, internet commentary. And everyone younger than me hates them. It doesn't matter what. I mean, unless you're paid, then everyone calls you a paid show. Like Charlie Kirk gets called a shill everywhere he goes. Matt Walsh gets paid a shit, he's called a paid show of Israel every time he doesn't open mic. If anybody has anything, go ahead.

Well, as you were saying, Pete, you used a phrase that I really, really clung to, and it was funny because I was thinking the exact same thing. You mentioned that we need powerful people with a sense of noblese, oblige. And I agree with that utterly and completely. And although we may not have that power, I think it's important that we and your listeners keep the sense of noblesse oblige alive in what we do too. And again, I like to tie things together. This goes back to what Dee was talking about with the guy Mike telling them, you know, the power that you have can kill people, can end lives, can ruin lives, can destroy property. I think it's very important that we remember that we may not have a ton of power,

but we need to wield what we do have, righteously and justly, in defense of our causes and our people. I think that's extremely important. And maybe we don't have a ton of power, but we can set an example and we can work towards that. And then hopefully use that to generate more trust and grow stronger in numbers, if nothing else. And I understand what you're saying.

yes, we still need the elites behind us. And that's very very true. But we can only do what we can do. And I think it's best that we do what we can. And we also have, we also try and hold on to the attitude that you have is if these guys are going to push the ball in our direction, maybe not as fast as we'd like or as ruthlessly as we'd like, but they're going to push the ball in our direction, the way we want the direction we choose, that, hey, Let's take it. The one line that I have found to be most powerful from the original Lord of the Rings film.

Well, not the original thing that was animated, but the Steve Jackson, Lord of the Rings film is. Peter Jackson. Sorry, Steve Jackson. Steve Jackson. Sounds like a black action star from the 80s. That's my role-playing gamer history. Steve Jackson games. Sorry.

Yeah, Peter Jackson. Peter Jackson. The line that comes to me is. when the King of the Elves says our list of allies grows thin. And I think we have to remind ourselves that even though we have more support now than ever, even though D is correct, that everybody under 40 is a hardcore anti-Semite, it's like, okay, but that's not the elite. That's not a lot of power.

That's just a lot of guys down around the bottom. And we have to remember to take the allies where we can get them. them and not be so so self-righteous in the sense of or fall into a purity spiral in that sense. So that's what I would say on all of that, to try and tie all that together. You also have to remember not to get eaten up with hate. Hate really clouds your judgment. I mean, I know anti-Semite is short-hand for what we are, but really, Right.

We're just advocating for our people, just like they're advocating for their people, okay? It really is the same thing, except when we advocate for our people, we tend to be a lot more inclusive, which has proven to be disastrous. But when they advocate for their people, they don't care who they hurt. Okay, I mean, they do it to, to the detriment of everyone around them. So, yeah, I mean, I don't like, I don't even like the term anti-Semite because it's just, it's, it's, it's not a great term. But it's a, but the term of, look, I've studied the history. And it seems like everywhere you people go, you cause problems because of the way you act. and understand the way you act, okay?

And I get it. I just don't want to deal with it. Okay, and I'm sick. I'm not going to hide that fact anymore. I'm not going to not say, yeah, I just don't really want, I don't want you people in charge. I don't want you people. It's, I'm sorry.

We gave it a shot. and it's not going to work out from now on. That's it. That's pretty much, you know, where I'm at. I just hate the term anti-Semite because it's like, okay, well, that term doesn't really mean anything anymore. And, you know, and it also, if we're adopting what somebody else calls us, then we're basically like, then we're like nons or nugs. You know, like they do. Oh, we're, that's all.

We're taking that word. We're saying, I don't know. It doesn't sound good to me. But, yeah, the experiment, as far as I'm concerned, yeah, I'm done with the experiment. Yeah, it was, it was fun. But yeah, I'm done. Yeah, it didn't work. And I can't see.

You can't put it to me a place where it did work. And, you know, I'm pretty well, pretty well versed on this stuff. and I can't think of a single example where low trust people coming to high trust societies worked out long term. And I guess I'll use anti-tsemi for lack of a better term. But I just, you know, I'm tired of pretending that Jews are my friends. They're not because they don't think so. And I don't think so. And since I had the same opinion about them as they do about me, I just, I like reciprocity.

How's that? I'll treat Jews the way they treat me. I don't really have anything else to say to it, Pete. I mean, I'm kind of still, I mean, just, the hits just kept on coming this week. It was pretty, pretty rough. But I want to commend you for, you know, the Marie Samuel stuff on your web on the series has been great.

The 200 years together stuff's been great. That episode was storming, Philo, it hit it out of the park with that one. But, you know, folks, you know, free man to be on the wall slash support. K.P. Fight, by. please you know by Charles's books Jose's writing you know in the American Free Press is outstanding he had a piece in the accidental observer today what last week Jose about about

it taught me stuff about the development of suburbs that I didn't know yeah a few days ago actually yeah yes and you know listen to Jose's show it's it's been really outstanding and you know I have my little Catholic focus on on fundamental principle but you know support the people that support you. If you don't like us, fine, you know, but find someone you do like and kick him 10 bucks.

Please. Amen. Yeah. I mean, I appreciate that. And, yeah, I mean,

I support, you know, a lot of, a lot of my friends, put it that way. Friends have to support their friends. You know, someone told me once,

I was like, yeah, they're like, I have to subscribe to you and I'm like, you're my friend. I said, look, your first supporters are going to be your friends. If your friends aren't supporting you, who is? So, yeah, I mean, you guys are, you guys have all become my friends. Although I think the only, the only person I met in real life is Jose.

We met, Jose and I hung out a bunch of them. Story of our, one of these days. Yeah, yeah. One of these days we will, I will, um, I will, hook up with all y'all. But, yeah, until then, yeah, like D.E said, check out Fundamental Principles podcast. Go over to the substack. Go over to Substack, look up Fundamental Principles.

I have links to Charles' books in the show notes. And Jose is just, Jose's killing it. Go to his substack and subscribe. His podcast is amazing. And no one write, I don't know who's writing as much as he does. I think he's trying to pick up for Z, man. Anybody who is familiar with Zeman's writing output, it was like, oh, when did, when did he get, that guy had a real job? When did he do it?

But he didn't sleep and he didn't have a wife telling him to do the issue. That's for sure. Yeah, I definitely don't sleep. No, thank you, gentlemen. Yeah, yeah, I'm getting less sleep these days now, too. but I want to apologize. I feel like my voice has been, one of the reasons I'm not finishing

Maurice Samuel's you Gentiles is I'm having a bunch of dental work done and it's just I'm not even comfortable talking right now. I'm trying to keep the episodes coming, but I'm also trying to do as little as possible. So I'll finish to Maurice Samuel reading once

all this dental work I'm having done is done. I'm not very comfortable. But yeah, I'm glad we you get in, you know, even for a little bit over an hour today. And, yeah, until the next time. Thank you, gentlemen. It's always a pleasure. Thought Crime Syndicate is back. It's been a while. And I'm, you know who's here. Charles Spideal, Jose Niño, Dark Enlightenment. Dark, Dark Enlightenment wants to, wanted to talk about, start off talking about Venezuela. So I'll let him take the floor and run

with it. Well, I don't have much to say other than like, and obviously, Jose would know way more than I do. But you have the United States effectively like preparing for war and sabotaging Russian infrastructure and Israel is self admittedly like on war online and with seven other people around them. And the, the omnibilference of the current regime of the Nuremberg regime is a really bad sign. Like that's it. It's a, you know, people who voted for Trump wanted peace.

We're tired of these forever wars. And now we've got like, what, 10 wars going? You know, the Israeli war with the Yemen, the Israeli war with Iran, the Israeli world with the Lebanon, the Israeli war was, you know, what was left to Syria. And it's just, it, it's a very, very bad sign. You look at historical examples. And when, you know, gigantic empire, generally starting all these small brushfire wars, it's usually a very bad sign of, stability and bad things. So this is not this is not a strong regime like imposing its will.

It's flailing and retarded. That was my main concern is that we have this. Jose, what do you have, Jose, what do you got on Venezuela? Yes, I agree with D's assessment that the U.S. is just flailing around in a retarded and desperate manner. And what we're seeing here is that the U.S. is trying to look for any type of W it can get on the world stage after just pouring billions into the failed Ukraine project. And also pouring like another like 30 plus billion in the Israel-Gaza conflict as well, which hasn't even produced like a definitive conclusion. I mean, the ceasefire, it's temporary at best and it doesn't resolve the main issue.

of the parasitic nature of the U.S.'s relationship with Israel. And the Venezuela thing, I think it's been the next stage of an ongoing process where I've argued that Venezuela, regardless of what people think of the nature of the regime, it has consistently been in the Chavez era, the most anti-Zionist country in South America. and it's also increasingly gravitated towards China, which has angered the neoconservatives set in D.C. beyond belief, and they want to find a way to stick it to the anti-Zionist pro-Eurasian axis. And Venezuela is the next ripe target, because it is a relatively unstable regime that's marked by a lot of corruption, massive influx of might. and what not.

And it's almost perfect in a way because if they turn Venezuela into the next Libya, the House wins regardless of what happens to Venezuela, whether they get a regime, a successful regime change operation and put that bobblehead, Maria Carina Machado, in charge, or

this turned into a Libya and it just turns into a drug cartel-run state because they get a ton of migrants, which is perfect for the Florida Republican Party who wants to turn Florida and the Sunbelt until one big Latin American Latifundia with all the migrants coming in

and this is like the perfect project for it and also let's face it as well because of the fact that Venezuela going off on the anti-Zionist has strengthened ties with countries like Iran and even

Assad, Syria before regime change there, it has become a bette noir for the Jewish neoconservative set in D.C. They want to make an example of it. And they win in many respects, regardless of the outcome because a destabilized Venezuela can provide a lot of migrants.

It also deprives China and other peer competitors of the U.S. of an asset they can use to poke the U.S. in the face with. Yeah, this whole thing, it's almost like a mirror of all the interests that are fighting to control the Trump White House. I mean, we know who, what interest has, what interest group has controlled it the most so far. And, but yeah, you see the Zionist lobby in there. You see the China Hawks in there.

The tech guys, the oil lobby for sure. I think the Venezuelan oil is basically sludge. It's probably the dirtiest oil on the planet. There's huge reserves. but I think three, there's only like three or four refineries in the world. Don't quote me on that. And if I'm wrong on that, somebody correct me. And like three of them are here.

And two of them are in Texas. And I think they're both owned by Charles Koch. But the, yeah, it just seems like Venezuela is the next playground. The next place to be like, okay, if we can. just get Maduro this bus driver out of, out of power, we can carve this up and divvy it up however much, however we want. Yeah. I mean, the context is key here because the US also is in massive amounts of debt too. So having access to these resources is very key. And that's one thing, there's like a kind of retro

futuristic reversion to almost like 19th century resource grab geopolitics and I've argued this as well that you're going to see a revival of like the North American Union type project especially with regards to Canada

some people regard Trump's Canada comments as like bluster but when you look at like the Canadian prairie areas there's tons of oil reserves there as well and I think this is a way to breathe extra life into the dying panjuda by engaging in these type of projects that either involve like outright annexation or at least regime change that facilitates the influx

of resources. Anybody else got anything on that? Well, just that to Jose's went about China, right, being cooperative of this kind of chessboard. You know, China just just tightened exports on rare earth minerals, right? Which is to say everything that goes into your cell phone, consumer electronics. I forget how much of it's in computers, but also a lot of military stuff, all these high-tech missiles require rare earth minerals. So, and we don't have any, really not much in North America. I mean, they're available, but they're in the ground, and they take years and years to develop. And they didn't develop them here, partly because it dirty, but also because

the kind of guys who work in mines, and I've worked on mines before, they're white, they're working class, they drive big trucks, they like guns, and they vote for Trump. So, like, it was a deliberate effort by the Obama administration to, like, politically disempower

the kind of guys that work in minds and energy. And so there's this whole problem of, like, you're on this hornism of dilemma. Like, if we're just, if it's just resources, we're just going after resources, right? Then why are we, we wasted wasting resources, like feeding all these foreigners? You know, if it's pure resource competition, then why is the United States like, right? So, or if ideology is the thing that matters. why are we wasting time with basically the self-contradictions of the Zionist regime have kind of come home to Rusyn they're untenable well sure you know the easiest way to

get resources from another country is to be friendly with them I mean this isn't hard stuff you know I mean we look around the world and we see that especially since World War II there are some regimes that we can be friendly with. We can trade openly with. I mean, we can even hand over our national security, our national security interests to them, China, where, I mean, they make stuff that if they stopped making it,

we, the country would grind to a halt. But there are certain regimes that you're just not allowed to do that with. And, you know, the perfect example too is Russia. You know, they want those Ukrainian, those Ukrainian minerals. And, well, we're not going to, because Ukraine is a, basically, it's a Zionist project. And Russia isn't going to allow their, you know, us to take over the parts that have those minerals. You have to start a war with Russia.

And it's, you know, it's a proxy war. Our guys aren't dying there that I know of. But, I mean, this is just when you're dealing with people, when you see that you have a people who, they go to a country, they displace the people who are there, they keep a bunch of them hostage so that they can abuse them. And then whenever they fight back, they have an excuse.

And they go, oh, God, look what we did. We've tried so hard with these people, but they just want to kill us. So you have an excuse to, you always have an excuse and people are always feeling bad for you because you're under each, you know, eternal attack from, from your neighbor that should just love you. You also get to test all of your weapons systems and your surveillance systems on them that you sell to other countries. So basically you have a, you just have a, a laboratory to test all these things and a people to test them on. Well, why? And if that, if those people, if a lot of those people are, if that ideology has basically taken over your country, why wouldn't you treat Venezuela like that?

because, you know, they're not in line with, you know, they're probably not in line with the project that we're trying to build. And Russia is not in line with the project that we're trying to build. And North Korea and Cuba and, you know, all these states basically turn into hellholes where the leaders are just trying not to get killed, trying to survive. And they, I'm not saying that's a good thing because they're at the expense of their, of their people that they're supposed to have some concept of nobles oblige over. I mean, it's all we've basically become Israel.

Our foreign policy is run like Israel. Our domestic policy is run by Israel. If somebody, if, if somebody's speaking out against the regime, do whatever you want to them. Yeah, I mean, so. Shoot them in the neck. I mean, that happened. Yeah.

I mean, you know, that's. And I don't know what to make it. the whole like texts and stuff but quite clearly right the the regime at a bare minimum you can say charlie kirk was running cover for the regime because he was getting blown out in arguments from people making naturalist talking about it's because like it just doesn't work right jenzy they're never going to be able to buy a house so you can't the open borders thing doesn't work so you know israel gets like a fascist at their stay with a wall and You know, we can't have border control in our country.

We can't have domestic industry in our country. You know, Israel gets everything. And, you know, on the left, right, you know, you've talked about it extensively, Pete, right? The whole people without a land or land without a be, or, you know, whatever, that phrase. You know, there were civilized, like, villages and towns and cities. They're all over the place. And the same Jews that would say, oh, well, we have to. to come here and civilize a place when white people came to Australia or Southern Africa or New Zealand or North America or the Americas and found like, you know, Stone Age cannibals like murdering each other.

Like, oh, your, your presence is illegitimate, right? But these Jews going back to this place that already had people that's sacred. So, I mean, there's just no, there's no, there's no, the contradiction. cannot hold anymore would be my like why isn't venezuela prosperous so like well the united states is you know screwed with that for what 30 years so say i mean what what percentage of been to venezuela's middle classes in the united states now 20 percent 50 percent 30 percent i mean yeah i mean there's a huge like you had a certain neighborhoods in houston man and like it's there's a bunch of iberian guys from venezuela that's that's you know that's who's there

because they've been driven out by American policy. Yes. It's a massive brain drain. It's one of the main reasons why. It's actually ironic, too, because I tell people that if you actually wanted to see a change in, like, the government in Venezuela,

all the people that are capable of potentially doing that, they're either, like, in the United States, Panama, Colombia, or, like, Spain, or to a lesser extent, Italy. They're all gone. And yeah, it's just going to only like further entrench it. And honestly, if this whole regime change thing gets bungled, they're just going to guarantee Maduro and Chavismo being there for life. That's just the cold heart truth of the matter. You know, I guess jumping into this is a great place to jump into what I wanted to, you know, ask and the question I had is, um, have we all.

into Tikonola. When we say, oh, the people who are still want to keep this regime like going, who don't want to see it destroyed, you know, this managerial regime, which basically allows small type knit groups that are well funded and well, and have a lot of influence to keep going and to take over. and to impose what they want to impose upon them. And if we're like, you know, promoting the Monroe Doctrine now that, well, you know, we just have to, we have to take care of our, our section of the world right now.

I mean, is that just Tika on just a, and your area of the world? Or we, what are we doing? I mean, how, you know, why are we healing the world instead of like healing? ourselves and our people. How is like trying to perpetuate this regime and, you know, I mean, I can understand getting your friends elected so that they can run cover for you. But, you know, I know people who are like, you know, oh, we need to run, we, you know, we need to take over the whole government so we can, no, that's not, that's not how this

works. It's like, if you haven't figured it out, it's grew up to the core. there's really nothing you can do about it. So I'm like looking at it. I'm like, well, I mean, if you're, if you're looking for anything other than like regionalism and localism and federalism and nullification and things like that, how is that any different than Ticanola? Did I break everyone's brain or did I sound retarded? Go ahead. Charles. I don't think, okay, if let me, let's make sure we're on.

the same page here. As far as I understand it, Tikaa Oam is the Jewish idea of spreading light to the world, their particular light and illuminating everybody else. Am I incorrect or correct roughly on that? Obviously, I'm trying to boil down a major concept into something minor. Is that correct? Is that incorrect? Yeah, they need to remake the world in their image, how they see that they, how they see the world would prosper best for the, for quote, unquote, the world, but really for themselves. Okay, right. Well, I don't necessarily say what I think is happening here, and I'll try and take a moment,

step back, take a deep breath and move forward from there. What I see happening is what I have seen happen for at least since the end of the Second World War. What the regime has done or what our occupying government have done is take, American values from colonial times and put their spin on them. And the horror of it is because our founding fathers were more deist, and one could argue even Gnostic in a way, considering Benjamin Franklin was part of the Hellfire Club. A lot of others had intriguing ideas of an occult nature.

What the Jews did was they managed to spot a couple of the similarities, and they do what they always do, which is twist things just enough in their direction. And then as anybody knows who's gone boating or sailing or anything like that, you'll notice that if you just, you know, move the rudder a couple degrees, after a long enough trip, you are nowhere near where you wanted to be. You only have to alter your course ever so slightly, and you are nowhere near where you wanted to be. So to try and tie things up, as I'm often want to do, I would see. I would say that it's not so much that we started out trying to be that way. I don't think we ever really did. We're not trying to change the world to our view, or Americans weren't, because if you look

historically, I believe Jose N.D. will back me up, and I'm sure you already know this from your conversations with Thomas 777 and your own research. America has always been very isolationist. If you actually look, like most people didn't want to be in the first World War, most people didn't want to be in the Second World War. I still remember, I believe I've quoted. on this program many times. My grandfather on my father's side said to his children, my dad and his brother and sisters, why are we fighting Germany? They didn't bomb us. Americans have largely, by and large, been isolationist. I think what we have done is we have tried to carve out a piece of the world and make it our own. And I don't think that's the same as TECOM Olam. We're not,

we aren't necessarily trying to Americans. And we could say the Spanish did this when they tried, to spread Catholicism. But again, I don't know that that's quite the same thing. But let's just stick on topic with Americans. I think it's more we have been self-exiles that have tried to carve out their own little world, their own way of doing things. And once we get there,

we're really not concerned about everybody else. I mean, I'll speak from myself out here in Oklahoma. The prevailing attitude is, my neighbor can do what he wants, as long as he keeps his radio down, as long as he keeps his animals off, my property. I really don't care what he does. So I'm not, I don't really see us as spreading it cultural. I mean, as far as heritage Americans go, I don't see that taint really in there. But what I do

see is the constant exposure to that influence, a Judaic influence among the upper echelons that has just bled through oftentimes literally into our ruling elite. Because it, Again, it does what I said it did earlier. It takes what we have already and what we are already and it twists it and it turns it and it perverts it and quite literally in more than a few ways. And then it amplifies it. So it takes our quote unquote elite, our quote unquote experts and it and it just huffs them up. It pumps them up. It takes our already feminist turned country, which again, we know.

know who is behind feminism. But again, people already puffed up on those things and it further inflates them. See, you're smart. You're powerful. You're a boss. So you need to tell everybody else how to live. And that just joins hand in hand with our boss girl society. Like, okay, well, you know what you you know better than everybody else. And again, you're talking, I'm kind of trying to bring a lot of threads together here. You're also bringing that spiritual femininity into it, where everybody else is a child and you're scolding them. And you, you know. know better. You have to, you have to lead the way. You have to nurture them. They couldn't make it on their own. So to bring it all back to the main question that you ask, I don't think it's so much

that Americans are practicing T. Tom Olam, although I would agree with you in a larger sense that most people now are whether they realize it or not, slowly becoming spiritually Judeic. But I think it's more that they have slowly bled through with their influence and that they have taken a lot of our original ideas from dating back from the foundation of this country and slightly after and just twisted them and perverted them and just turned us all off a few degrees of course a few degrees and now we've gotten where we ended up i mean i still remember and i'll drop i'll give up somebody else the floor here in a moment i still recall getting into an argument on twitter which i very very rarely do i find it to be a complete waste of time for me

personally with somebody of a libertarian bent. It's almost 10 years ago now talking about how, oh, the government should be allowed to take your money through an inheritance tax. You didn't earn it. And I just had to point out to him, I was like, you understand that's literally a communist plank, right? And I send him a link to Marxist. Marxist.org is like, that's literally a communist plank to get rid of inheritance tax. And it was probably one of the only really solid argument

engagements I ever had because he actually read it and wrote back It was like, wow, I really need to rethink my position. I said, I'm glad you did. Have a good day. And that proves my point in one, well, it's circumstantial evidence on what I'm saying, is that a lot of our ideas of doing our thing, you know, being independent, taking our destiny in our hands is easily twisted to we have to fix the rest of the world because we know better than you.

So that's what I have to say on that topic. there's some nuggets of truth that Charles dropped there that I agree with with regards to the prevailing non-interventionist isolationist tendencies in the U.S. I mean, you can find selective and cherry pick quotes from the founding generation and even figures from the early days of the American Republic that could suggest a latent tendency among American political elites that

would gravitate towards phylo-Semitism and even like universalism. But the American Republic, at least until World War II, still had the counter-elite, if you will, that had very

restrained tendencies. For example, you can just look at it this way. Like after the Mexican-American War, There were countless people that wanted full-blown annexations of Mexico and even parts of Latin America. But you had leaders like John Calhoun who said, like, no, we shouldn't be annexing these countries because they're just racially alien. They're going to sully the racial stock of the U.S.

And even look at Reconstruction after the Civil War, the failed nation-building project that was attempted to be imposed on the South. it generally speaking failed there and I think that points to a very strong tendency of non-interventionism among the American public but I think it changed obviously in the 20th century with the influx of Jews and this new elite of Jews that incinuated themselves in the media academia and the governing structures And from that point forward, you see policy moving in a dramatically anti-European direction in the United States. I think that everyone's made good points. I would just add that, right, this obsession with the neocon obsession with like going and make everywhere like Peoria, right? Like, oh, well, democracy and all this other stuff. I mean, obviously was like self-interested nonsense that they were just lying. or that they're hopelessly stupid or possibly both, like in the case of John Per dorot's.

But one thing that is clear is this whole idea that we can go and make everywhere like white and northwestern European and Christian is it's non-tenable. It's just, it's crazy. And Tikum Olam, right, is like, we're going to turn everyone into like a willing servant of the Jews, basically. and um Dennis Prager talked about it recently and I only bring him out because I know you I've discussed him in the past Pete like the fact that Jews have led secularization

is like like a sin that we're gonna he says that they're all going to answer for it's like well thanks to you right like thanks to your secularization I'm gonna be like on the left as I die like Gen Z men are gonna be like you know secular and very very very racist

very very sexist because they have no choice but to be but to be or die, right? And this whole Ticamolam thing is when you, you know, come down to it, it's just their excuse for them undermining and destroying societies that might pose a threat to them. and the difference between say what what you're trying to do with like the old glory club isn't like hey old glory club is going to invade Venezuela or like we're not going to like there's not going to be like an old glory club filibuster to like retake Cuba or something uh because they're too busy like making wherever they are worthwhile and you know, maybe in 100 years or something, you know, whatever. But right now, what we're trying to do is like tend our own knitting.

And we're not, and we're being told, no, you can't. Yeah. And that's because we have to go save other people. Like, wait, like, I have to pay taxes, like $100 billion. I didn't, like, $100 billion went to, like, medical care for illegals or something. just came out by people people that are here in the country illegally in members of gangs MS-13 trend to or I go right like they kill people both like they murder people and they kill people by by dealing you know fentanyl poison drugs which all comes from China right oh if we

enforce the law against people who like with face tattoos who murder people and worship Satan like then we can't do that like what are you crazy that's nuts that's that's that's like you literally can't have a country. You can't have a civilization when, when there are, you know, mouthy women like trying to block police in the street. Because, because, like, somehow the life of, of, like, face tattoo guy is more important than, like, the kid down the street. And I want to, I want to take one of your points, Dee, because you, you exactly sum up what I was trying to say. When you bring up the Old Glory Club. I think that's a perfect example. I was honored to be contacted by the local branch here in Oklahoma. It was very kind of them to reach out to me. But I think therein lies the

crucial point. They don't just, they're not putting TikTok videos out for you. They're not trying to get your kids to join. Like that's what TICOM Olam is. Hey, trans yourself. Hey, you know, follow Black Lives Matter. do all this, do what I'm doing. I'm telling you to do it. No, they scope people out. They try and find people that already agree with them, that already live like them, or that want to, and then they give them that opportunity. They're not going into neighborhoods and telling, and handing out, you know, heroin needles and condoms and stuff. Hey, live my degenerate lifestyle. I think therein lies the key difference. And therein lies, the proof is in the pudding, as they say. of my point in that the Old Glory Club, more or less, to my experience, my very limited experience,

am I claiming I'm any kind of expert on them whatsoever. I'm just saying, to my experience, they have been very close-knit, although they have been very welcoming. They are not prosely in any type of sense that even vaguely mirrors the regime. The regime is doing everything to get you to live like they want you to live, to get you to like the thing. And you to like the things they like and dislike the things they don't. Whereas organizations like the old glory club, I presume they reached out and contacted me because they said, hey, while this guy may not agree with everything we say, when we don't agree with everything he says, we're largely on the same page. We might want to talk to this guy. We might want to consider him for membership. And again,

I was honored to be that way, but it wasn't like they just plastered themselves on every house on my block. So therein, I think, lies the key difference is that our guys are generally not proselytizers. What they are is noticers. What they are is guys that point out, hey, I see X. Do you see X? Now, whether X is per capita, or whether X is who gets all of our foreign aid or who is starting feminism, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. We can pick any topic you want. But they aren't necessarily saying, hey, come join my club. Hey, subscribe to my newsletter. Not necessarily, not in any grand scheme.

However, TikTok is rife with things like trans, Black Lives Matter, not so much anymore, I understand. But gay pride, all sorts of stuff. So that's where I would put it, without belaboring the point any further. One is far more a proselytizer, and the other is far more a self-exile trying to survive. So the regime, for lack of a better term, wants Maine and California and Florida and Washington to all look the same. And the old Gorickup guys are like, why should Maine and Florida be the same? That's insane. Right.

The regime brings Somalis into Maine and everyone in the world into Southern Florida. and then, you know, like, well, why doesn't everywhere in the world look like Southern Florida? Well, I don't know, because Southern Florida is like where everyone with money in the Caribbean goes. I mean, right, there's going to be these places that are anthropo-type diverse places. But according to the regime, like, it's not acceptable that, like, rural Kansas be white. They have to, like, well, you know, there need to be Chinese people and black people and has been. people and Micronesians

and Filipinos and Filipinos and Eskimos in Kansas. Otherwise, the people in Kansas haven't had their life improved enough. Right. Yeah, exactly.

That's exactly it. Because they are bringing their light. And the irony is it's not a candle. It's a flame thrower. And the irony is they're not bringing light to anything. They're burning everything down. That's the bitter irony of it. maybe they're doing that intentionally or maybe it's just the way they are because of psychopathy,

but they are what they are. That's the bitter irony to me is, as you point out, D, like they're not bringing light. They're burning everything to the ground. And that's what drives me mad. And just one last point on my, I don't think Heritage Americans and rank and file Americans are in on the Ticamolam thing. And I'll say this. I can't use his name, but I have a buddy that has spent his lifetime in. the military and he's now a pretty reasonably high up guy of the DOD and he says back in his day when he

was you know in boot camp and going through all the army and all this stuff and he used to say that they're saying was whenever they were picking a fight with yet another country say we're going to freedom the shit out of them and they all laughed together it's like because they knew you know whether they knew consciously or subconsciously they knew what the score was they weren't bringing light to anything. They weren't giving anybody the American way of life. They were bombing the shit out of them and taking their stuff. And they knew it. And they didn't want to do it. But I mean, that's they signed up. That's part of the horror of what they got told to do. But yeah, that phrase has always stayed with me. And I think it's very apt in this conversation. Yeah,

we're going to freedom the shit out of them. So I'll stop. So I don't belabor it any further. Yeah. I think just the point that I was trying to make is that the regime in charge has a goal. And when it comes to foreign policy, their goal has a tendency to look a whole lot like Tikon Olam. And when you look at this regime, and when you look at the government, when you look at managerialism in general, I mean, it's had 100 years to cement itself. There's only one one way. There's only one way to basically stop being a manager regime at this point. And it's not by dismantling it a little bit here and a little bit there. It needs to be completely destroyed. And it needs to be destroyed by a

strong man. And I think that there are, you know, I say this all the time. I think in our future, there is right-wing or left-wing authoritarianism. And even with left-wing authoritarian, The left-wing authoritarian who would come, would think that the managerial, in my opinion, would think that the managerial regime is holding them back from what they want to accomplish. So either way, I think it's going to be destroyed. You know, it's just a matter of now if it's going to be left or right-wing authoritarianism. I listen to people who say it's definitely going to be come from the left, and I hear people who say it's definitely going to come from the right.

I don't know which one it's going to be. I know which one I prefer. I prefer right. I'll prepare for left. But I guess my biggest thing is I see like trying to fix it as trying to fix this, this government, the way it runs right now in any other way than absolutely tearing it out limb by limb and root by root and putting something else in there. basically hoping that somebody friendly to you gets in there is you're just perpetuating this.

You're perpetuating it forever. And I see it as a way of until you destroy it completely, this power source, these people who have been, had so much influence over it and can, you know, have insane influence over it right now. Although I think, I think it is waning as more people. and more elites wake up to it, the Zionist Jewish supremacist influence thrives in the regime the way it's constructed right now

and it can't be fixed by keeping it in the way it is right now. You're not going to take over it and use it against your enemies. It needs to be completely destroyed. If you want to destroy your enemies, you're going to have to destroy that. And I don't think I'm wrong.

Maybe somebody can argue and say that I'm wrong. I don't see me being wrong. And I've been looking at this now for years. I think, unfortunately, you're right. And here's why. Think of all the procedural outcomes that you deal with the civil rights regime, right? Where there is no, structurally speaking, there is no way to make, you know, civil rights for white people. Because the very definition of civil rights,

is like the more, you know, whatever, the more non-straight white Christian male you are, the more you get to reach in that guy's wallet and take your stuff because reasons, right? That's the net result of the civil rights regime is, and whatever supposed to attend it effects, right? The purpose system is what it does. And there's no, there's no taking this system

and like turning it towards good ends because, and E. Michael Jones has talked about this, but the reason the pro-life movement failed and failed and failed and failed is because they were treating the civil rights regime like it was a thing where it was about rights for people. And so all of these, you know, mostly white Christian people, more women than men, but right, they were always complaining about the oppressions. Who's being oppressed here?

Well, they're killing babies. Well, yeah, they are killing babies. It's awful. It's murder. It's terrible. It's a sacrifice to Satan. but you were trying to use the framework set up specifically to disempower you to get something done. And like, no, the whole point of the system is to take away your political agency.

Like Thomas says, right? After 1948, it was illegal to be right wing. Like, the whole point of the system is to disempower, politically speaking, white Christian men and particularly white Christian fathers. Well, and when Thomas says that, you know, that basically it's illegal to be right wing. That's not necessarily, yeah, I don't, when I hear him say that, I'm not, he's not talking about laws that were made. He's talking about the spirit of the age. He's talking about something that has to be changed, not at the legal level, but at a fundamental level. I've also said this.

Yeah, I've said this before is, you know, all these people, over. United States has to become 110, 110, 110, you get rid of all of them, and you're still going to be a Jewish country because the attitude about money and usury was still influenced by them. Are you going to get rid of Hollywood? Is pornography going away?

I mean, basically a culture has been created that is antithetical to white European Christianity. And most of Christianity, most of American Christianity, has embraced it and actually sees it as freedom and liberty. And how many times have you seen some quote unquote right winger go, well, you know, Israel is the only, think about it, Israel is the only country in that region that has gay marriage, you know, that has gay marriage, has gay marriage. has gay rights is that Peter Parker

I was already against it you didn't need to try and sell me right. And this is this is why you know we can't use the present system

right the Tickham-Olem system the Zag regime the Nuremberg regime whatever you want to call it right the point is to promote

like trainees reading in libraries Black, satanic trainees reading to white children in a library in Peoria, Illinois. That's the point of this system. So you can't be like, well, we can turn this to something good.

No, no, you can't. Like, the fact that Tel Aviv is the gay of city on earth and it's undermined Israel is kind of an accident. They bought their own premises. Yeah. Go ahead, Charles, please. I'm just going to say, I think it's interesting, Pete, that that's, you said a lot of what I said earlier. So it seems we're in a pretty solid

agreement. That's what I was saying is that we are, that we have been perverted. A lot of these ideas have been, have infected us. And then they've twisted what we already believed, as you say, they interpret all these things now suddenly is freedom. And I said, well, hold on a second. You know, that's not exactly where we started from or where we, where we were intending to go. But I do agree that that's exactly where we've ended up. And I apologize. it's for the reasons that I said that we ended up there because our original ideas were corrupted and not to say that we aren't partly responsible for that, for falling to the corruption. But I do think it's interesting that we're largely in agreement in that sense.

I also agree with Thomas 777 when he says it's illegal to be right wing in the sense that it's more of a societal social illegality than it is a fundamental governmental illegality, Although we could argue that there is a fair amount of that. But it's far more deleterious than that because it is, as you say, at a social level. A lot of these ideas are just completely taboo. I still remember in 2016 when I was picking up a gal I was dating at the library near me. I'm scrolling through my phone and one of her coworkers comes up to me and she says, oh, he says, are you following Trump on Twitter?

And I just looked at him and I went, no, he's two left wing for me. And I thought the guy was going to just fall over dead in front of me, like just absolute shock that not only would somebody, you know, admit to anything even close to looking at Trump, but saying that going one step further and saying that he was two left wing. So again, I see your point. And I do kind of co-sign that as far as the illegality of the right wing. And I just wanted to bring attention to the fact that we were largely saying the same thing, that the influences have bled down and twisted us. into something that we should not be and that is in fact antithetical to the ways of the life of our ancestors. And it's not something we should want to spread to the rest of the world. Agreed.

I mean, we're, it's spiritual aids. And in most, and in a lot of cases, literally, it's. But, but yeah, this is not something, I mean, do we, do we want like every government in, Europe in the white world to like have a government like ours that operates like ours. I mean, it's already terrible over there. We don't want our government to operate like ours. Yeah. So it's like what are we trying to what are we trying to protect here? Like I mean, I know, you know, we have guys on our side who are working in the government right now. And I mean, I know a bunch of guys who have been hired by by ICE.

and, you know, border patrol. And I'm just waiting for the reports to see just exactly what they aren't allowed to do. Because, I mean, I'm not buying. I can't buy into this whole thing about how, well, we're going to get, we're going to clear it out. You know, with the 80 million people who don't belong here or the 50 million people who don't belong here, they're gone. They're gone. I mean, they can't get rid of a sitting politic. who celebrates the death of like a friend of the president and openly says,

I don't care about America. I'm here to protect Somali people. I'm here to serve Somali people. I mean, plug that person into, first of all, that person is not getting elected to any, any government 100, 100 years ago. any white government 100 years ago. But if they did, how long are they going to last? When did we become, when does it become, oh, we, not only do we have to be, you know,

not only do we have to be kind and be tolerant towards, you know, the stranger within our border, but we have to be kind and tolerant towards a stranger in our border who gets positions of power and then goes to war with the people who've been here, you know, two, three, four hundred years longer than her on behalf of people who got here through some kind of loophole because, you know, we have people who've been elected, gotten positions of power over the last hundred years that absolutely hate us and just want to destroy us. what exactly are we trying to preserve how do you think you change that other than by absolutely crushing the whole system into dust and starting over again sorry you're not going to convince me oh i mean when you first

you know get into like the Cato Institute right oh Cato the great Roman Senate like no Rome by the time of the seizures was a corrupt oligarchy and someone needed to come in and just like nope we're not doing this anymore you know I think you've talked about a peak but

there's you know the catastrophists and in Spain right there were the conservatives who were like oh well it's just you know we we can fix the system and then there were people like no we need to crush everything. Like, obviously, the catastrophists were right in Spain.

And similarly today, right? Like, there's no... Latisha James is a lying criminal who never should have been let anywhere near any kind of power in any capacity whatsoever. And yeah, she might do some jail time for her mortgage fraud. But is that going to bring VEDAir back? Is that going to bring all the people that she harassed?

What about the National Life Association? They were harassed. Like, are those people going to be made whole by the state of New York's office? The state of New York doesn't have any money. How can they make people whole? You know, I could bring your house down and be like, I'm really sorry. Here's all the ashes, I guess. Is that like, well, technically you gave me my house back, but it's not any use anymore.

Right? He burned it down. It's all ash. So, you know, the people who are busily burning down our civilization, like, they need to be stopped. And people, yeah, and I don't know that Charles ever went through a libertarian phase, but I know three of us have. And I did in college briefly, yes. So I'm part of the club. Yes, God.

Okay. So you're, you're the cool guy who got out of it by the end of the college. Okay. good. Busting your nuts. You know, I could be the libertarian who's like, oh, well, just end the state, bro. Well, here's a problem with the libertarian ideas. Libertarians like, oh, just end the state.

And then everyone is automatically going to adopt my, you know, everyone's going to want to be an anarcho-capitalist. Even though you haven't built anything, you haven't built a system. where to show it works anywhere, anything like that, or even small government. I think I'm very realistic because this is going to be torn down one way or another. I mean, this is literally heading to not a mass continental wide mass civil war, but we are headed to like the years of lead or like pockets of the Spanish Civil War. And for people who don't think that, I mean, I don't think it's blackpilling to say that. I think it's just a reality of knowing history.

And sure, I think things are going to get better. I know things are going to get better. But how? You can make things better for yourself individually. There are still ways you can, you know, beat this system individually or, you know, organized with people on the local level, people, you know, even statewide, who agree with you. And you can come up with plans to protect yourself from, you know, encroaching government. But this is going to be torn down one way or another.

Either one man is going to do it, and that's going to cause people to rise up and be violent. He's going to have to crush that, whether right or left. And as a matter of fact, I would say, if it's a left-wing Caesar, the right will not rise up. Because they don't do that. The Spanish did it, but. Yeah, well, the problem with conservatives, I mean, among the many, but the main problem with conservatives is they trust the institutions, despite the fact that the institution was hauled out and is being worn like a skin suit by evil people.

Right. There are conservatives who will still defend the Boy Scouts right now. I was like, well, Baden Powell, though. And it's like, but now when, you know, 30 years ago, like, you weren't allowed in the boys got to see if you were gay and now being gay is mandatory. Right. Like, well, I don't know what to tell you other than, you know, do as our Lord said, shake the dust from your feet and get out of there. But far too often, right? You know, conservative will sit there and be like, well, I guess, you know, but.

And it's a temperament thing. They need the state to be the one to legitimize their violence. Otherwise, they won't do it. Well, also, they're trained to accept a left-wing dictator and to attack a right-wing dictator. I mean, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Soviet Union was terrible, but we definitely had to side with them in World War II. And you make arguments against it, and you show easily how the United States, United States could have sided with Germany and like the destruction of Europe and the European

peoples could have been avoided. And it's cognitive dissonance. They won't hear that they won't hear that alternate timeline because they've already been sold something. We punch right and we we reach out to the left and we punch right. And so when if it is a right wing dictator that comes along, you may. have right wing, you may have quote unquote right wing or people who are still holding onto classical liberalism or conservatism still calling themselves right wing while being left

wing, but they'll be fighting against it. They'll fight alongside the leftists that are rising up. But if it's a left wing dictator, they'll try to make, they'll try to make peace with them. Yeah, because it's just fundamentally don't understand what time it is. They don't understand human nature. Yeah, I mean, they think everyone wants limited government. Everyone wants limited government. And, you know, if we can just, yeah, pocket. Well, yeah, this is funny.

It's funny. We need updated versions of the Constitution. We need to send, like, maybe larger print versions of the Constitution to Liberia, and that'll straighten everything out. Well, it's the six-year presidential term. That's the reason everything falls apart. I have to write the Constitution, like the BBC, write some of its news reports, and that, what is that, pigeon? What is it?

Pigeon English. It's funny you mentioned that, Pete, about the, about everybody who wants limited government after busting my chops about being the one guy in college that got out of libertarianism. Because you guys got out of libertarianism because you guys had the intellectual capacity, thought it through, and you're all like that. I'm not even giving myself that much credit. I got out of it because I didn't live in a nice enough area. It's like, oh, wait, no, not enough people are like me. This isn't going to work. I just never lived in really good areas to be able to hold on to that luxury belief.

I couldn't afford it. I was like, uh-oh, this isn't going to work. So, yeah, it's funny to hear that just get larger print books of this because, yeah, it's not going to work. I also think it's interesting, too, when you talk about these things as far as getting people on board. or watching everybody else just punch right, punch right. That's what they always do. Because to me, it seems like it stems from our very founding. It's like, well, we punched right then.

And we're founded literally on the concept of rebellion. We're founded literally on the concept of do our own thing. It's not surprising that we are very, very, very ripe for a left-wing ideology. Like, hey, you just need to do your thing. You need to do things how you want to do it. So, I mean, I would say that it was sort of baked into the cake from the beginning, our ousture of tradition, our ousture of just eons, basically, of hierarchy. It's like, well, that sort of baked this leftism and liberalism into our particular cake.

Now, how do we square that circle? I mean, I guess the best thing you do is, as we said earlier, just try and go back to our ancestors before that because I kind of pull off of both you and D on this one. It's like I don't think going back to our founding fathers is going to solve anything. I think they're part of the problem if I'm being honest in a lot of ways. Unintentionally, certainly, but I think they're because they couldn't possibly have foreseen how far it was going to go. Because again, they suffer from the same issue.

It's like they, I don't think they realize. that everybody didn't think like that. Please go ahead, Pete. I don't talk about you. Oh, no, no. You're good. Well, I think a lot of the people who are like, a lot of people will be like, well, you know, we could have the Constitution again if we just had heritage Americans.

It's like, which ones? Well, you, and now you're just sound like a libertarian because you think that, oh, if you just have like a society of white people who, can you show me the society of white people that hasn't been completely Judea, hasn't and completely Judaized for the last hundred years. Well, you think that you can, you get rid of every minority out of this country and all of a sudden you institute, we're just going to go by the Constitution,

and you don't think things are going to fall to shit because people aren't ready for, there is no going back to anything. If you're going back to anything, you're going back to cultural norms and things like that. You're going back to like a literal constitution, not a piece of paper. You're going back to the constitution of a people.

But you also have to understand that the constitution of the people has been under attack for a hundred years through everything from turning on your radio in your car to turning on your TV to going to the movies to going to school. And people think, oh, well, we just, it's going to be so easy. Well, well, we have to start somewhere. Well, I mean, sure, you have to start somewhere, but do you realize that, I mean, I think everyone on this call is a big fan of Sam Francis. But there's, and there, a lot of the people listening are big fans of Sam Francis. But the most important thing he ever wrote was about the revolution of mass and scale. that you cannot rule over 300 million people, 200 million people, 100 million people. It just doesn't work.

It doesn't work, especially when you have, you know, and people could say, oh, well, you know, if we had just heritage Americans doing that, okay, how? Sure, it's a good place to start. Sure, but it's like, you know, sure, you get rid of the people who are responsible for 60% of the murders. a great start. You're also talking about in fantasy land now. So what do you do? It all comes back to, you know, when you start nailing down San Francisco talking about

mass and scale, how you just cannot have that many people, that, you know, people who want to talk about culture and want to talk about family. And then they want to talk about spreading that out. to 100 million people, 150 million people. How does that work? There's a reason why there was 13 colonies. There's a reason why there were cities that, like, in Maryland that only Catholics lived in. I mean, you're, people aren't thinking this through.

They want to go back, but you can't go back. Everything's changed. So you have to figure out something new. And, you know, there's going to be echoes of the past in it, of course. Because, you know, you're going to want to live historically. But you're just the people who think, oh, if we just go back to the Constitution and there's Heritage Americans and everything will be great. How many daughters of the American Revolution are like shit lib friggin college professors? Yeah, that loser with Warren phenotype is a problem.

It's like, come on, guys, you're not thinking this, you're, you're making it too easy. You know, and I don't have all the answers. I'm not going to sit here and pretend I have all the answers. I think I have some damn good questions going forward. I think I have, you know, I think I have some good suggestions. I think that, I think it's pretty obvious, you know, what the answer is, at least for now, what you should be building and what you should be doing. But, you know, I think it just really goes to show when people fight me so hard on it that they are really stuck in, really stuck thinking that if they can just go back and, you know, well, there's no time travel and people have changed.

And if you believe in like evolutionary psychology, like Kevin McDonald talks about, people like that, and people really do change. like they're wiring they can be rewired and that's something you have to deal with as well and you can't deal with that at a mass scale you have to start you have to start very small feel free to disagree with me anyone well I think

you're running into the problem of scale right that effectively right the reason for the mid-century regimes of Spain, Italy and Germany, right, was the understanding that like you're playing at scale and you can't, as much as you might like to be, you know, like a distributist who has your artisanal widgets and your home economics and your village, right? Like you're competing against people that will use ruthless scale to destroy you and roll over you and kill you. So you have to at least fight on the same scale they do. so I can understand why people would want that big scale.

Like, it makes sense. I would, I mean, agree with you in terms of everything you've said about the scale being a problem and, you know, heritage Americans, a lot of them being corrupted. And even if, but an old friend of mine used to say the first step is deceding in your mind. And he was a Southern nationalist. So, I mean, that's where he was coming from. but the important thing that important first step is like is fixing yourself i would say and you know read listen to stuff like this listen to you know pizza's dr johnson or just like you know the complete maris samuel you gentiles read that he just finished um you know understanding

understanding your own people and understanding where where people are coming from and uh I'm too frequently, I get very impatient with people. So I'll be dealing with some normies and I'm like, well, what do you think of so and so? And I'm like, oh, I don't particularly like that person. And for this sort of things Charles said, of like, no, like they're too milk toast. And they'll kind of be shocked and like, oh, I didn't, I didn't know that there was a further right. And this is. Well, yeah. Yeah, there is. Well, you know, welcome to the party, I guess. but what that the difficulty is is that how do you

how do you bring people along without like losing patients and offending people and like that would be the thing that I think that we need to do because obviously everything isn't working stuff isn't working you know there's crazy people everywhere there's drugs and crime and foreigners and people aren't forming families and you know like take take take take your pick and there's a problem so uh how you persuade people i i think that that's the most important thing we can do right now is this sort of thing anyone else we're uh we're coming up on time pretty quickly so if anyone has any yeah if anyone has any things they want to say please go right ahead

Yeah, I think we should always be willing to ask uncomfortable questions and reassess conventional wisdom with regards to the American political project and look for any flaws that could have led to the present situation and also be willing to think and act on our feet with respect to building new solutions because sometimes you have to clear out the deadwood if you want to move forward. And you can't stick to failed strategies or strategies that are simply out of date to the problems we're facing because they're quite unique in nature. And they're actually existential at this point. But it's always good to hash out disagreements and bring up new ideas and also challenge the prevailing orthodoxy because we're in this situation for a reason. We just have to figure out what has brought us here. Charles? Yeah, anything? Just a couple of very brief points to wrap it up for me.

I want to step back to something you said, where people talk about, well, just heritage Americans will make everything better again. And while that will certainly improve it, I think D&I are very much on the same page there. I'm sure you and I are too with that. I would just simply say, did we forget the civil war happened? I mean, wasn't that largely heritage Americans? I mean, we imported a lot of Irish the North did to fight for them. but largely we still had a civil war when we were all much more similar than we are today,

I would argue. And I would also point out that the reason we are the United States of America and not just America is because the whole point was we wanted to get together for mutual protection and trade, but all still have our own particular way of life. As you pointed out accurately, Pete, 13 colonies for a reason. New Jersey wanted to live like New Jersey. Delaware wanted to live like Delaware, et cetera, et cetera. So we were never as whole and as shared as many commonalities as we like to pretend we did.

What we managed to do was understand that there were differences and then just managed to maintain a certain friendliness or a certain warmth or strengthened the few commonalities we did have. And again, I think that's why this Judaic impulse. influence has been so destructive because they're far more, they're less high trust. They're far more psychopathic in that sense. You said earlier, Pete, and I'll use this to wrap it up. The easiest way to trade with people is be friendly with them. But certain people on this planet don't know how to be friendly.

They know how to manipulate. They know how to twist. They know how to, you know, shuck and jive and trick and do all that. But they don't really know how to just be friendly. and therein lies a tremendous difference that I don't know that really can be overcome. So that's it for me today. I'll wrap up with anything, Dick. Now, just support the people to support you.

I mean, Jose Substack is fantastic. Read his articles at the Oxygenal Observer and support Pete's Substack and read Charles's books, man. It's a, you know, you're not going to win this being ignorant and, you know, support the people that don't lie to you. I appreciate a gentleman. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. That's great. I appreciate a gentleman. And, you know, once again, thank you. And until the next time, I appreciate y'all.