The Pete Quiñones Show - The Thought Crime Syndicate (The 2025 Episodes - So Far) - Part 3

Episode Date: December 9, 2025

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Thought crime syndicate minus one is back. Charles, how you doing? Well, thank you, Pete. Yourself, hanging in there. You're doing good, doing good. De, what's going on? Oh, you know, nothing ever happens. Nothing ever happens. Well, I mean, this is the thing that I've been going through for, what is it now, 13 days? 13 days of, well, you know, Jews still exist. I don't care what he does, but Jews still exist. So there, no victory lapse. I mean, that's pretty much what, I think most of, most of our guys are like, wow, this is something is happening here. But then you have the kind that, like, I mean, really should just be libertarians because of the peer, because of the purity spiraling.

is like, well, Jews still exist. So, I mean, this is nothing. This isn't going to work. Well, I think we need to be a little bit cautious here. If the tariffs only enrich, rich people, they're bad. I was thinking about this. I just got off the phone with a friend of mine. He's a LLM expert.

And I got a buddy. It's called my buddy Dave. Dave works as a welder. somewhere in the Midwestern United States doing something very important for the empire and inflation's basically killed his ability to

you know make a living and the problem we have right now is we live in an oligarchy where the finance sector has pretty much hoovered up all available corporate profits

and you can look at it like profits by sector from say 1970 to the present, right? Ford used to make money, making cars. Now they make money financing stuff and they're just like a hedge fund with a car company attached or retirement fund with a head, you know, with a car company attached. And if Mark Andreessen or Elon Musk wants to be like a super rich oligarch and Elon Musk wants like a harem of 20 like autistic super like super hot nines okay i can't really the fault a guy i mean like that's what every 15 year old boy wants right like it's it's at least a human

human thing the problem we have right now is that my buddy dave who lives in the american midwest uh because of government policies pursued by the oligarchy has destroyed the ability of the average dude to make a living and now Now, because of LLMs, you're destroying white-collar work in a way that we haven't even, like, we don't even know how bad it's going to get. Computer programming, accounting, like engineering, like a ton of stuff is going to fall apart here in the next five to ten years. We know for a fact that, you know, this deep seek AI, whatever it is that the Chinese are doing, there was probably a lot of BS from Sam Altman types. um so if it's just more efficient um we'll see like in order to you for your lLM to work there has to be electricity so you got to pay the guys that deliver you electricity and make you electricity

enough that they can afford to live and actually contribute to the system because right now we just treat the guys who build electricity like you know mushrooms we feed them shit and keep them in the dark and we just pretend that know the three guys talking in three different time zones across the continent is normal and like it should just work like no there's thousands of people working very hard at difficult stuff to make this conversation possible and your crypto or um you know your stock portfolio or whatever all of that requires an underlying substrata of like honest hardworking white dudes in order to function and so we'll see if Donald Trump actually pulls this off good for him but you know people should be skeptical he did do his Trump coin his Melania coin kind of stuff right before the inauguration and that was pretty pretty low

and this is all stuff he should have been doing in 2016 but you know good for him to finally actually realize he's at war with these people At least right now, it looks like he's actually taking this seriously. And that's really important. Yeah, I would say that's exactly where I'm thinking lately. And I see Pete's point, and I've seen plenty of those out there, those types, where they say, oh, well, these people still exist or this situation still exists. So we can't celebrate anything.

I think that's foolish. And perhaps it may just be a benefit of our respective ages. But I think a lot of people lack the proper perspective and fail to see just how far we've come in so brief a time period. I view a lot of this stuff as akin to what one famous author wrote is going broke in the sense of you go broke very gradually and then suddenly all at once. The Go Mile, supported by AIB, has been helping fast. families around the world for over 40 years. This year, we are asking you to step up together with your community to continue one of Ireland's favourite Christmas traditions.

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We know he is not, quote, unquote, our guy. But we have to take what we can get. And we have to be grateful. Thank heaven for small blessings. Although I think many of the blessings we're getting now are far from small. I think we just have to maintain a perspective in that we are winning quite a few battles, quite a few. And is it the war?

No, no, it's not. This is going to be a very long and arduous war. But we are winning, and we have to just be grateful for that and continue the fight. I'm also not saying rest on our laurels. That's foolishness. But we do have to be grateful for our victory, and we can be skeptical, but I don't think we need to be pessimistic. I think that would be an equal injustice. And I think, as you said, also, we have to appreciate the people that are on our side.

We can't fall victim to overlooking people because one of the things that the right has always held dear as hierarchy, but one of the things that has been lost over the centuries, specifically since the French Revolution, is the idea that just because somebody is lower than you in the hierarchy, it means that they are subhuman, that they are intermensched of some sort. I think that's just ludicrous. I'm a Christian. I'm not a Hindu or none of that. Just because you may be below me in the hierarchy, the social strata,

doesn't mean I don't value what you do. Does it mean I don't understand that you contribute very important things? As you said moments ago, Dee, we take for granted so much of this what we have. And I agree with you regarding the Internet, regarding, as you said, exemplified it quite well with three men talking across time zones. But to me, it goes even deeper than that. And again, as you have already pointed out, just the fact we have running water and electricity. And we need to understand that these are not default positions. and I think to assume them to be default positions

is to fall prey to very feminine thinking because as I've written and spoken about many, many times, women generally, whether they're cognizant of this or not, view life as a video game where once you get to a certain point, you just click save and you can never fall below it. We, however, as men, know we absolutely can fall below it. We as men know that maybe we'll get a job,

at six figures and then a year later be working at the local McDonald's not that there's any shame in working at McDonald's but we know that we're not going to be making six figures at McDonald's so I think that's another thing we need to keep in mind is that what we have is what we have make use of it but also understand the costs that come along with it and the people that we need to maintain it so those are my thought I think it's important as things are going along that if something seems to be a win that you stop and you be like, you know, just enjoy it for for 10 minutes, you know, seeing, seeing the wall at the FBI training

center that had all these diversity slogans on it getting painted. Well, I mean, that's nice. Seeing, you know, like, I don't know, the DEI and the affirmative action. Seeing Council Charities, be like, we're going to have to close. Yeah. It's fantastic.

And again, I want to be very clear here. Donald Trump has done more in the last two weeks than any president since Richard Nixon to actually help the white people of this country. Yeah. I mean, probably more than Nixon,

actually, because Nixon, Nixon was not like Nixon Institute of the EPA and there's much stuff that Nixon did you know Nixon did win the Cold War by you know the pivot to China and other things like that yeah but Donald Trump the problem is

people should be skeptical Donald Trump has to have an iron will to see this stuff through because it was really cool to see the you know DEI mural painted over at the FBI but is it just a thin coat of paint over the underlying substrata

where the people who are at the FBI are still like vile race trade or communists or are they going to get turfed out and be doing something else for a living? And now if Cash Patel actually does what he says he's going to do and gets rid of these people, great. I want the FBI to go after, you know, criminals, sex traffickers, you know, pedophiles and interstate criminals kidnappers, things like that. That's what I want the FBI for.

And if the FBI is not going to do that, then there shouldn't be an FBI. And it sounds like that's what they want to do. But, you know, I'm done trusting the Republican Party. and well it's a matter of if they want if they want to do something and i mean they they should be able to do anything they want but this isn't like a dictatorship this is something where you have a system that's been put in place that's 80 almost 100 years old where getting things to change is basically you have to do what what trump

has been doing for the last two and a half weeks. And I mean, the thing that, or I mean, it's not even two weeks yet, the thing that just gets me going is the people who want to see everything as that, well, I can't take that, I can't celebrate that because, you know, oh, USA has got, if USA is getting shut down, that money is going to go to H1B visas, or it's going to go be turned around and go to go to. Israel. First of all, how do you know that? Second of all, how do you live like that? I mean, how do you live like that? How do you live with that much negativity where you can never, here's what it is. My opinion, I know I'm right. People don't want to be seen as being wrong

and they don't want to be seen as having hope because people are going to make fun of them. and that's especially true with people who have a voice like we do you see it all over the place people are like oh well you know that you can't celebrate this you know and um oh did you know j d vance and jd vance had this and everything everything they talk about about jd vans is before he became a catholic i have to give him some credit the i don't care margaret was perfect I mean, he's also on, he's also on Twitter arguing, you know, for Catholic doctrine from, from a thousand years ago. I mean, okay, sure. I allow people to be able to change.

I've changed in my life. Most of the people I know do not, or at least that I associate with, do not always believe what they believed and they had they changed your mind now you can be completely and maybe and maybe it's justified um be completely you know just sour to the fact that somebody who has power or money will never change your mind but i think we've seen the evidence that that people with power and money do change their minds people have influence change their minds and maybe it's out of self-interest but that doesn't mean that that self-interest doesn't at least in some way align with yours.

Yeah, Mark Andreessen and Elon Musk are not stupid people. And they know that they have to have a functioning electrical jury in order for them to do what they do. And that they have to have a functioning air traffic control systems in order for them to do what they do. You know, when I was talking with the friend of my news, an LLM expert, like five minutes before this call, right? The biggest problem, and Charles, you've talked about this in the past, right?

effectively like if you're like an upper middle class shitlib woman your life consists of magic spells correct you say you know Kamala Harris says I want someone in outer was Yeristan killed and it's like so let it be written so let it be done right she has no idea of all the amount of work it took to get like the JP8

the jet fuel into the jet She has no clue about the refining process, pulling it out of the ground, the refining process, the pipeline it takes to get it from point A to point B, you know, the storage of it, the putting it on the plane, you know, the sailing, the nuclear aircraft carrier, all the stuff that has to go right all the time with something like that. And then, you know, the putting the, putting the warhead on the forehead, how hard that is. This woman has no clue about any of it. Nope. Not even the slightest idea. No.

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and this is how it's always going to be forever and ever amen and that that's why I say we have to avoid these these types of thinking and you're right we they just can't they can't fathom it and that's why everything's falling apart because as you said or quoted me they just everything happens by a magic spell everything happens by a magic spell I mean I'm going to try and watch what I say very carefully here because I don't I don't want to give out any any information about your family but I mean I happen to know quite a few details about you and your family it's like look at the women in your very family how intelligent educated they are and even you're like calling me up every so often going do you believe what do you believe this and I'm like

right and and that's one of the smartest women in the country like what do you and this is And they all do it. They all do. That's just the way they are. That's just the way they are. Exactly. That's why the 19th is a mistake. Yes.

Terably. You talked about that. I think on a recent program. But Donald Trump, I don't know if it was getting shot in the head. I don't know if it was throwing him in jail. I don't know if it was the attempt to bankrupt him. I think, honestly, he started to get really offended when they put this absolute dog in front of him.

and said that he'd like actually try to hit on that woman like i'm sorry but the donald has been importing has been importing top shelf tail female companionship from eastern europe for 50 for 40 years like like he is not he is not hurting for a good you know yeah and i mean what you're saying to it i think it was president before anything like i think it's a combination of what you're saying. I mean, I do hear you, and I think there's probably more truth to that than many people would even admit that that itself was a slap in the face and one from which he didn't, he didn't lightly shy away, something that aggravated him tremendously. I wouldn't be surprised. But to go back to your larger point and the topic in hand is, I would like to believe

that it wasn't any one of those things, not even getting shot, that it would a combination of all of them, that he sees his boomer mind has finally, finally come to the realization. He has finally exited his bubble that these people want you dead. I don't understand how to say it any more clearly. These are not people with whom you can argue in good faith. These are not your fellow boomers where you can look them in the eye and shake their hand and just walk in and say, hey, I'm here, give me a job, blah, blah, blah. You can't argue in good faith. I would like to think all of the things you mentioned finally shook him awake to those realities.

Now, again, am I saying he's going to be our guy? No, that's not at all what I'm saying. But I will go back to what I said when we were talking about Eric Prince and a lot of those things. Trump is a bridge, full stop. that's how I look at him that's how I think frankly if I may be so immodest I think everybody should look at him

be grateful be happy but do not expect or don't even desire him to be the destination he is a bridge he is getting us over a chasm to mix a metaphor

that you said Dee yourself hasn't been bridged in 60 years you know 50 years 60 years. So be grateful that we... Like the second they tried to do something about it, they both got killed. Right. Metaphorically and then literally. Yes. And that's what I'm trying to say. Again, I also state, and I'll seed the floor in a moment,

but I also state, I agree with you, that yes, be skeptical. No one's saying that we should put all our faith in them, all our stock in and everything. And I agree with what Pete said earlier. like, you know, okay, you can celebrate for a few minutes, you can enjoy your victory, and then you've got to get back into the fight. I agree with that. But I'm still trying to point out that he is a bridge. Understand him for what he is, and even if he is a king on the chess board, he's still just another piece of the whole.

He may be a vital piece. He may be the most vital piece at this moment, but he is still a piece on the board. There are others, and they have to be used. he is not the game itself And I do want to give him a great deal of credit in one particular respect This Christmas give the gift that lasts all year with Irish Country Magazine

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Yeah. Oh, okay, I'll wrap up very quickly. what I was just want to say real quick to that. Like to your point too, Pete, we have to take a moment to celebrate because we have to remember why are we doing this? If we don't enjoy

a nice building that we finally got to constructed, that isn't some brutalist communist trash, or we finally have a nice park, or we finally paint over the DEI, you have to take a moment and remind yourself why you're fighting and you have to celebrate. And because

Because will to fight is just as important as the tools at one's disposal. If you lose your will to fight, if you're demoralized, it doesn't matter all the ammunition, all the weapons you have. You've already given up the battle and you've lost. So we have to remember why to fight. Okay, I'm sorry, gentlemen. Please continue. Oh, no, I was just going to say I was looking, cleaning out my phone today.

And I'm sure both of you guys remember probably, like, the most base. fag ever on the right, Justin Ramando. Yep, yep.com. Yeah. I found one of his old tweets. He said, politics is purely negative. You should get that. It's about who you hate. Trump is hated by people I hate. That's why I root for him. We're rooting for him. We're rooting for him to destroy these people. And to give you a concrete example that vile Episcopal,

Whamon Bishop that talked about trans children at the National Cathedral okay well it turns out there's like two million people who work for the federal government and like 12 million people

that work for non-gental organizations that are dependent on federal tax dollars that that woman is basically a government employee and she should be fired and every dime that she's ever received I mean if you could claw it back from her and sewer that would be great but like just stop giving her money

right you know the cat lady industrial complex that like prevents people from actually you know building stuff because you know the some fish and you know the Delta spelt or some little tiny owl in the Pacific Northwest, right, whatever.

Who do you think these people are? It's left-wing women who make up the majority of these offices that I wrote about it, right? Like, they should have gotten married at 19 to a guy who's like a welder or a logger or an electrician or something. some guy who was actually doing some or a trucker or something who's actually doing something real in the real world giving him three kids by the time she was 35 or four and then by the time she's 40 she's looking forward to grandkids and is like happy and you know reasonably but instead you know she's 35 child is single and like coming to terms with the fact that she's never going to have kids because she got a master's at 25 after getting associated. sociology degree and then bumming around for two or three years working some mindless NGO job that was like unfulfilling and poorly remunerated. So she went to grad school and got a further bullshit degrees. She like got a degree in sociology and then got a degree in, you know, grievance studies of some sort, right?

So she's a master's in grievance studies. And so she gets out of that at 28, you know, further ideologically poisoned. with most of her fertility years gone. And, well, I can't have a kid now. I just racked up $200,000 in student debt. I got to get out of debt first. So, like, you, boyfriend, have to wait for five years while I get my fiscal house in order. And then she's in her 30s, been cooking your ovaries for, you know, the last 20 years with, you know, birth control pills.

And all of a sudden she finds she can't have kids. The boyfriend bails because he'd like, you know, well, there's, there's, there's, 23-year-olds that don't have a master's that they can have kids and they aren't total bitches about, you know, the patriarchy. So I'm going to go date one of those. You know, 23-year-old with daddy issues is way better than a 33-year-old with daddy issues. And then she's 35 single alone and really unhappy. And I'm seeing this in my own life, right? because I'm at that age where, you know, mid-40s and a bunch of people I went to school with are all like, oh, I'm never going to have kids.

Like, yes, yes, that's exactly right. You're never going to have kids. Now, for the guys in my life, you still might. You can find the 23-year-old co-ed with daddy issues and have some. But for all the women who are my age or, you know, 10 years younger than me, like, you're not going to have kids. And I got to say, like, a big W that I'm really personally very happy about is watching all the wrong people stop stealing from decent people. Like, the NGO complex is so huge and is such a vast fortress of left wing power. And literally all you needed to do was pull the plug. Just stop the, just stop the endless spin. get a government money and every one of these people is broke overnight overnight exactly and

instead instead instead of becoming bitter 35 year old childless women all of if you're told the truth as a young lady like hey you can get a bullshit degree and and end up here 35 childless whatever, or you can marry, you know, build a welder, build a truck driver and have a few kids and then maybe go do something else, you know, once the kids are grown or in school. That's an unmitigated W. That's the, the biggest problem in America right now in terms of our demographics is that the productive white middle class isn't having enough children. and the reason we're not having enough children is the perverse incentives built into the educational system. Yes. Absolutely.

Absolutely. One of the things that – let me jump in there for a sec. One of the things the Stormy pointed out to me a while back was that basically non-governmental organizations or non-genital organizations, which include non-profits. And if you know, if you know about this, these are mostly funded. They're either being funded by taxpayer dollars, money just printed from this, through this department

that apparently Elon Musk seized and like the longest, one of the oldest, one of the most senior government officials was actually working through it, where they just print checks to anyone. They found out today they were printing checks to terrorist organizations. And, you know, when you heard that Obama, that Osama bin Laden was getting paid through like 2005 by the CIA, when you see this, it's like, oh, there was nothing nefarious about that.

That's just a, it's just a bureaucracy and how it works. But one thing Stormy pointed out to me was 10% of the U.S. population works for one of these groups. 10% of the population works for one of these groups, an NGO or a nonprofit. There's a chance that with USAID going out of the way and this being audited, that this goes away. I mean, sure, you're going to have to do, you're going to have to stay on it. You're going to have to make sure it doesn't start up again.

But, okay, how would it start up again if you have your own people? that's what I think a lot of people aren't even realizing yet what they're planning on doing they can't do until they have everyone like appointed and in place they're waiting for people to get confirmed and just seeing what they're doing before half of the confirmations are even in I mean I think probably a lot of them aren't even in is pretty remarkable it seems like setting the stage for something that they can do once they have, you know, personnel running the, I mean, this guy that they got fired, who was just basically printing checks in charge of printing all the checks, he was the acting head of the treasury.

I mean, that's the kind of fucked up system that this is, is that this like career bureaucrat that no one was going to fire until now. Or, and they basically force them to quit. Every click, every connection, every moment your business is online, a threat is evolving. With Nostra as your trusted technology partner, you're not just reacting. You're ready, turning concern into confidence. From cybersecurity that protects what matters most to cloud solutions that scale as you grow and AI that transforms how you work.

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Subscribe today at Irish Country Magazine. magazine dot i.e forward slash subscribe and make this christmas a little more magical um he he was he was head of the fucking treasury in transition this is how this is this kind of stuff that's um and it looks like they're trying to fix now you know who they fix it with apparently you know besent's gone in there and he's talking about bitcoin and he's talking about um you know he had a whole thing about removing the income tax I mean I don't know I don't know I mean but

10% but here's the thing and the worst 10% why would they say why would they be saying all of this shit I mean are they make are they making all this stuff up and just lying to you know lying to the frogs on Twitter they're just you're lying to us they're trying to trick us because we have so much power and we're like

what the fuck what are people talking about I had someone the other day say to me, say to me, oh, they're just trying to get you on their side. I'm like, yeah, okay, why, okay, what am I going to do? Yeah, well, yeah, but they're just trying to get you. They're just trying to get you to repeat their talking points. I'm like, okay, and how does that help?

If they're going to do what they want anyway, why would they be targeting me? Are you fucking stupid? Well, the answer in most cases is yes. But, right. So one thing that I think that our guys need to do, and it is our friends over at Country Mundum, C.J. Angle and Andrew Isker recently talked about this. Like, the unwinded right is now driving the discourse.

And a couple things that if you're listening to this and you have influence, okay a couple things you need to do all right it is ridiculous 10% of the entire u.s. population working u.s. population was effectively doing communist adjunct prop with taxpayer dollars that's insane okay and the fact that the three of us who are let's be honest on the better end of doing right wing propaganda aren't being paid full time by someone with lots of money and you know this is where i do my weekly chill go to the support pete you know page free man be on the wall slash support and kick in 10 bucks okay because if you really want this to be permanent you need to build institutions and pay the people you want to do things.

Okay. Left to win communists figured out a way to get 10% of the entire working population paid from tax dollars. Okay? Guys who are welders and truckers and

electricians and plumbers were paying 30, 40, 50% of their check every year in taxes, like direct taxes. And then tens of thousands in

what amounts to taxes because they have to move out of their neighborhood and move somewhere else because the population gets a little too diverse and that's tax and, you know, all the other little things that diversity, all the other cost diversity and ports on these guys. But, you know, if you're a plumber who's making 120 grand because you work really hard, you're in that top tax packet and you're paying out the nose. So the left wing government in the United States was taking that guy and it was taken half of his check

and sure it was occasionally given him a highway and occasionally given him a Department of Defense that would go fight a bunch of wars somewhere where it didn't help him at all but a huge chunk of his check was going to people that wanted to make it illegal for him to work yeah

absolutely but I to me to me got to finish finish thought so if you want to avoid that sort of stuff figure out a way to pay the people that are actually fighting the battles build the institutions so that city of London mouthpiece

of freaking Pierce Morgan just gets humiliated every time he opens his mouth instead of just when he's on Tucker that guy is a laughing stock and he should be made fun of figure out a way to pay the people who are actually capable of making the arguments build the institutions so that in four years, you know, J.D. Vance doesn't go up against Gavin Newsom and lose.

Yeah, to me, like, to me, finding that. Understand what, well, let me, Charles, I'll be, I'll be real quick. This is going to be real quick. And understand when DE is saying this, he's not talking to you guys who are going to going to your daily job and supporting your family and getting by he's talking to you out there who have means like could finance a fucking NGO on your own where are you where the fuck are you I'm done no that's those are a great point that's exactly who I'm talking yeah I'm not going to back down from either of those but I'm going to be

my usual self and try a white pill too. I'm going to be honest with you. I love hearing that we just found out that 10% of the American population has been working for the Azoresations. I think that's great, but I'm going to explain why I think that's great. That's because that goes to show you that again, as I've been saying for, I don't know, the past few weeks on the side on our chats or past a couple months, that all of our enemies really are just gambling, G-A-M-B-O-L, gambling paper tigers. They really are.

They really are not anywhere near the challenge we ever believe them to be. They're just paper tigers, they're puffer fish. Because look, they couldn't even build their own organizations. They just stole it from America. Now we're finding out that the reason that the long marches through the institution were a thing is because they literally can't build anything of their own. Sure, we've always said that, and maybe we've intellectually understood that. But I don't think even, I'll speak for myself, I won't speak for anybody else. I don't believe

I ever truly grasped how absolutely ineffective and ineffectual our enemies are. Oh, well, they stole trillions. Absolutely they did. But to me, that's great news. Stop letting them steal. That's it. Just turn off the spigot. And we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, seeing already what the what the impact of that is they crumble literally almost overnight literally almost overnight have you been watching the dnc let me just wrap up real quick and what do you think's going to happen when all these when we just keep turning off the spigots when we just keep plugging holes in the boats as you were saying earlier pete some people are going to go oh it'll just go to israel or h1b okay so then we'll plug that hole too again this isn't this isn't an

instantaneous fix. But the white pill here is, these people can't do anything without us. They literally can't. As you've been saying, Dee, they have to have their hands in our pockets or they get, fuck all, nothing. And what do we do when we take their hands out of our pockets? They fall over and cry, and that's it. They're done. What kind of actual resistance have they offered since all this began? Almost nothing. Why? Because they don't have anything. They have treaking. They have shame. They have blame, but they don't have any real action. They don't have any money. Their toddlers thrown in a tantrum. Bingo. They just have talk. They have a sewing circle. They have a gossip circle. That's what they have. They are, they are spiritual women. As I have been saying,

God, Dee, how long have I been saying that? Eight years, ten years. I don't even know how long we've been saying. So what are they going to do? Yeah. They're going to throw themselves on the bed. Yeah, they're going to throw themselves on the bed. they're going to scream into the pillow. Like, to me, this is a tremendous white pill. Yes, I understand it's horrific. Yes, all of us here have been stolen from. You know, hell, I don't even have any kids because of all of this shit over the course of the years. So, yes, I understand the tragedy.

I also understand the white pill in it. And that's what I'm trying to put on display for everybody now. Like, just watch what's going to happen. Do you think these people are really that truly dedicated to their cause that when we stop giving them 80 grand a year and do nothing laptop jobs, they're still going to be pushing progressive causes? Absolutely not.

Absolutely not. And what I was bringing up, right? Right now, just to use a concrete example. Okay. Andrew Isker and C.J. Angle should be paid full-time generously to find left-wing bullshit

given to progressive churches used to undermine Christianity and America. That should be their full-time job. And if they don't want the job, it should be given to somebody that's trustworthy that understands the issues, somebody like Michael Hitchborn in the Catholic sphere, I don't know.

But the entire progressive church establishment, as exemplified by that awful, Episcopal woman bishop, right? They're all government employees. Well, we can fire those people. Stop giving them money. And then are they going to do, you know, like without all this money that they've been getting from taxpayers, you know, Bill the plumber who makes $120,000 a year by working

70 hours a week or 80 hours a week, you know, literally up to his eyeballs and shit. Right? if if we can get a tax system that doesn't take half of what that guy makes all of a sudden he's doing a lot better and these other people are doing a lot worse and that's good and yeah right now we live in a corporate oligarchy controlled by finance that where you know the finance system takes all the profits from someplace like Exxon and they make enough profit to stay open and that's about it and the finance side takes all the profits and then among the financed firms the people at the top get the lion's share

the money so it's a you know like a pyramid scheme oligarchy yeah it's terrible and i don't want to defend that but right now if we just stop paying the people trying to destroy us that's a huge step in the right direction a huge step in the right direction i i think that Donald Trump should do a couple things. What he's been doing so far is great. What I want to see from him is where's my NFA repeal? Where's my hearing protection acts so that

suppressors and so-called silencers? Where's my reciprocal concealed carry? Where's my right to do business so that YouTube can't just demonetize me overnight? So I can't be debanked. That's when you know we're winning. right now right now we've got a couple ws when we're actively winning is when we're taking territory back from the people who have taken it from us because right now if you gave me a right to do business law and a shielding from doxing law and something like that we'd win we'd win the legacy media is in shambles and it's great to watch they don't have the slightest clue what to do

but the only reason they're oh go ahead be yeah there are a lot of reports that we're getting um i mean i have people contacting me all day about how government workers they know they're just not going to go back to work they're not it's as petty as his picture Donald trump's picture is going to be in the office and i'm not going to look at it i'm going to take the eight months pay and and leave. I mean, this is exactly how you do it. These people are not as fanatical as you think they are. They're in it because they're getting paid.

And sure, there are a lot of them that are true believers, but it's not as many as you think. I mean, look, how many true believers do you? Now, we know a lot of true believers because this is what we do. But, you know, the average person, if you ask them, how many people do you know they're like insanely politically ideological and they you know they're most people don't even know one person or if they do know that per they they maybe know one person that person's hiding it we're just the fact that it seems like he surrounded himself with some people who are like for whatever reason it could be their own self-interest that they need to tear this thing down

and tear it apart well i mean I'm going to celebrate it. And I don't really care who does it. You know, I mean, they got the ceasefire in, he got the ceasefire in, in Gaza and the, the hostages home, the hostages coming home, which hurts Netanyahu, no matter what anybody wants to, by sending a Jewish real estate magnet there to be like, hey, you're going to do this. Okay. Netanyahu may start bombing Gaza in the next week or something.

Still, it was to go there and say, fuck you. And you don't think that U.S. aid, there are things that were just making its way into, I mean, let's face it. There's a reason we call these organizations non-Gentile organizations, because we know who runs them. Our enemies are not as impressive as you think they are. I think if you can take anything away from the last 14 days, it's that look at these people. They suck. They're weak.

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subscribe today at irishcountry magazine dot i.e forward slash subscribe and make this christmas a little more magical they're easily they're they're defeated they're just going to quit and give up where are they going to go what are they going to do are they going to get a job if they work for the government right now are they getting a job with an NGO okay who's funding that I think people really need to understand what this is if of course if it's being done if if this is all true and they're not just lying to you because you're so important but yeah these these are not impressive people and these people could be could be destroyed overnight and they are being destroyed overnight they are destroyed they're being destroyed

overnight. And I think it's really important, again, I'm going to be skeptical. I'm going to wait until, you know, the courts, a lot of this stuff is going to go through the courts. I think in particular something like birthright citizenship, just for example, right, if the courts find that illegal Mexicans having kids in the United States makes them citizens, it's now time to be like, okay, well, then the Constitution is, in fact, a suicide pact, and it's time to like punch out of it right that i i don't i personally don't regard any any court decisions signed off by elana kegan or son and sodomayor or katanji brown jackson as legitimate because i just don't think that they have any right to tell me what the law is in my country

like you're not you're not my countryman you have no you're women first of all second like like you know you're just not people that i would respect enough to say, okay, well, you know, whatever I think of them, their opinion matters. Like, no, I don't, but that's me. But if they say that no matter what, and the courts find that, you know, the 14th Amendment requires us to basically commit suicide as a nation, that's going to be awful in a lot of ways. But on the other hand, you just prove Mentious Moldbug correct, or you just proved Michael Hill correct. You're not going to get the genie back in the bottle. You're going to see major moves in Florida, in Texas, in other places to succeed. And if it flips the other way, and in fact, illegal immigration is like, well, they're not citizens and they don't belong here, a huge chunk of Californians can be like, but we want out. Like, okay. Doors that way. Bye. you know and regardless of how things turn out you know we can turn these either to our advantage

either way and our enemies are losing power vastly but just just not paying them for 90 days as a president is ordered a ton of these places you're just going to go out of business Yeah. Your commercial real estate is going to get so cheap because every NGO is going to just shudder. They're going to go bankrupt. They're going to close. What are these people going to do? You know, open up organic bagel shops?

You know? Yeah. They're going to be doing a bunch of the jobs the illegals used to do because there's no other jobs available. Exactly. They're unimpressive people. And as I've said, that's, as I said earlier in the program. The only reason they have anything is because they took it from us. I mean, it's that simple. What did they build? Nothing. They didn't build anything. Well, they have all this stuff, all this money. Yeah, but they didn't build any of it. That was the American government that they did their long march through. That's what we've all, as we've just said, they're all effectively federal employees, either literally or figure it. through the NGOs and all these other things that get grants and everything. They didn't build any of that. They just parasited off of it.

So as I've said, as I said earlier, these people are not as not as impressive as anyone thinks they are. And I am trying, and again, another white pill for me personally, I count my blessings that I'm not fighting

the communists in, what, 19, during the revolution in Russia, in whatever year that was, forgive me the white and the red, I don't recall off the top of my head. Like, you know, what if I'm... 17.19. Yeah. Thank you.

Like, I'm not fighting guys that are hungry and farm workers who haven't already learned that they're being manipulated by our tiny-hatted friends. Like, these guys are really sincerely hungry, sincerely starve, sincerely

troubled. I'm like, oh, okay, you know what? These guys know how to fight, they know how to work, they know how to do things. It's like, okay, That's an enemy that I'm worried about. And frankly, I'm grateful I don't have them as an enemy. I don't. What do I have?

The Cat Lady Industrial Complex, to use your phrase, Dee. And what do I have to do to win? I'm going to quote my buddy that owns a logging company up in Canada. What do I have to do to win? Stop losing. Stop losing. That's it. You don't really have to win.

Just stop losing. Stop letting them take your money. Stop giving them money. that's it stop being scared of them when they talk say I don't care Margaret and move on

I mean yeah I don't care Margaret that should be just repeat that to yourself over and over again I don't care Karen it doesn't matter like what is the Department of Education

done that actually makes education better in this country why shouldn't we shut it down you explain to me why we shouldn't shut it down instead of instead of us being on the defensive you explain to me why people who butylate kids shouldn't be in jail right you explain to us because it's our money not yours like to me it's that simple it's like that's why that's why they should have to explain it that why the that's why the burden of proof is on them i agree with the 100% d and that's the point just say no you explain to me oh

well, you just need to be educated and this and that. You need to understand. No, no, I don't. Because I'm not the one asking for the money. I'm not the one asking for the favor. You are. So you tell me, why do you need it? It's like you, Dee, when your kids eventually say, hey, dad, I need to use the car. Okay, well, why?

Where are you going? Well, you don't need to know that. You need to give me the car. No, I think I do need to know that. Oh, no. Yeah. Well, I got a thing at church. Okay.

You can have the car. Oh, I was going to go out drinking with a bunch of low character reprobates. No, you can't have the car. Right. Like, these are two different things. Right. And I think it's important right now. You know, all this stuff that's being done is good.

It should have been done eight years ago. But Donald Trump didn't know he was in a knife fight for his life at the time. And he was surrounded by a lot of bad people who gave him really bad advice. and you know and something Pete mentioned earlier that I think is important like I've been at out and out like far right hard right guy for 15 years and even I changed my mind to get here you know like the only people who get to say like I was right from the beginning are like Pat Buchanan, Jared Taylor, and Mark Weber. Everyone else got here

through learning things. And we should be skeptical of people who just like, oh, I totally agree with you now. Like, okay, sure, great. Like, prove it. But at the same time, we have to be open to the fact, like, we all got here,

via reading and learning and listening to stuff and looking around and looking at history and if somebody who is relatively a newcomer, you know, seems sincere, we shouldn't put him in charge of things, certainly, but we shouldn't just be like, oh, you're new, so we can't listen to you, right? And I think it's really good, actually, that the same. system has been so hostile to sane people because that's shown millions and millions of people just how totalitarian and insane the Nuremberg regime is right like they're just as religious as the court of St. Louis 9th King of France right who was a literal

and opened every you know with prayer and mass and right like every day he heard mass well these people are just as religious he as he was it just their religion is evil and they're just as totalitarian as Joseph Stalin they just don't put people in Kulags they just you know prevent you from working prevent you from being able to get married prevent you from having a bank account so like you can survive sort of, but you can't do anything about it. So... Every click, every connection, every moment your business is online, a threat is evolving.

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up freshly baked goodness. Tesco, every little helps. I think it's really good that more and more people understand just how big the fight is. And it took, what, three generations, Pete, to get us to this spot, you know, from, you know, the civil rights era with Johnson, great society to now. I mean, if that's where you put the start at, I mean, you can go back even four or five generations to the New Neal regime, but at least the civil rights regime was solidly in place by 1965. That's, you know, 70 years.

Two generations, at least three generations. It's not going to be like unfucked overnight. As much as I would love to press the button and, I, you know, listeners, if you said to me, D, you've got a button. And if you push that button, everything gets fixed, but it gives you incurable stage four cancer, you're going to be dead in a month. I push the button. And I'm 100% serious. I would push the button knowing I would die in excruciating agony.

because that would be the best thing for my children. So I would prefer everything to be fixed overnight, but I know that that's not the case. It's going to take work. It's going to take time. It's going to take effort. And we should enjoy the wins while we've got them. We should absolutely, you know, sit back,

pops and popcorn, have a few beers and laugh at all the DEI people who are getting fired. great that's that's fantastic like please bring me more video of crying mexican women i don't want to go back to mexico with the worst thing in the world oh my gosh like oh really you know all you mexicans los angeles waving the mexican flag oh being surrounded by mexicans is the worst thing ever okay I guess I mean

I found it pretty awful when it's happened to me I found Mexicans pretty intolerable actually okay I mean I guess glad you agree on with me on something like these are good things but we can't just

rest on our laurels and just oh trust the process No, we need to push. We need to push constantly for to make sure that all the stuff that he's talked about already has been implemented. And then for the other stuff that we need or want. Like, why are, you know, working people in America paying taxes at all? What do they get out of the system? Schools they can't use, roads that look like the dark side of the moon,

water systems that are held together with duct tape and baling wire. What are we actually getting out of the system that justifies 30, 40, 50% of what I make going to in taxes? Airplanes falling out of the sky? Canadian truckers who, you know. come across the border, don't know how to drive and end up plowing through a bunch of kids. What am I getting? And you out there who are listening, you know, join your local chapter of the old glory club or find a group of guys local to you and advocate for yourselves as yourselves and ask the system, like, what are you going to offer me to stay loyal? Because right now you give me no reason whatsoever.

You know, a starter house And anywhere in America where there's actually jobs Is half a million dollars And interest rates are eight and a half percent Are you fucking high Eight and a half percent And half a million dollars For a three, two in a bad neighborhood

That's crazy What are you going to give me system so that I won't rebel against you why should I be loyal to you when you were not loyal to me I mean we don't

we still need to push and remember that you know the easiest way to navigate this system is to build locally I mean, that's still the future, no matter what's happening here, seeing just how ineffective some leadership is, how all leadership is, basically, and now the leadership that's coming in there is basically from the private sector, and they're going to want to go back to the private sector at some point. You know, as Thomas says, this thing is just falling apart. It's just going to take forever, so you need to start building locally.

But still, the more that can be destroyed in the process, the less they have to come after you with. So, you know, one thing that a lot of people have noticed has started to notice is that basically all of these, I mean, most of the things that they're doing that they're doing have basically come from our side of Twitter. and it's like they're mining for ideas and you know people are now wondering like who's you know whose burner account is this things like that is it somebody who's looking for power you know looking for ideas that they can use and put and use power to um you know move forward and tear this tear down what's been built so yeah you don't stop you don't stop going forward you don't you don't Stop throwing the ideas out there and demanding things. Because I know that a lot of people don't want to believe this,

but yeah, they're getting ideas from Twitter. They're seeing how the wind is blowing on Twitter and seeing what people are doing, and then they're acting. And, you know, I mean, we know for a fact that a lot of these guys, even guys that you would not expect, listen to our, you know, listen to our podcasts. So keep the ideas going. Never stop. But that doesn't mean that everything has to be negative, that you can't, you can't enjoy a win.

You can't enjoy seeing USAID just like their website disappear and their Twitter account disappear. Yeah, their website just went. Spanish version of the White House website disappearing, yeah. Yeah, I mean, all this stuff. I mean, you're so much of basically what they're doing is they're canceling the people

who've been canceling for the past 10, 15 years. Yes. And that is what needs to be done because they don't understand anything else. And the thing is, is they've gotten so used to winning that they they don't know what to do at this point. You know, are there elites out there?

And I think another thing that this proves, when you see people going, well, this definitely, you know, there are moves being made that are to weaken the power, that will weaken the power of Zok. I mean, there's, he's basically like, there's. going to war with with europe with europe i mean oh yeah jamy jami diamond and frigin and um and drone pow are trying to destroy them financially or trying to just tear down the whole system that keeps them going and then you have money going to israel you have this is exactly what the fuck we were saying a year ago there is an elite revolution going on and there are different elite power groups

and some are winning, they're fighting and some are getting big wins over here and some are getting big wins over here. You can't fucking, when you have elites that are going at each other, some are going to win, some are going to lose until it gets to the point where one team will actually win.

And you hope it's the team that is more on our side than not. Amen. I mean, we saw this. We called it. We've been saying this. I said Marco Rubio, was not here to fucking talk to Benjamin Netanyahu

he was here to go to South America to Central America and South America where the fuck is he South America and and to your point right thanks to Stormy and thanks to you right like all I see is like City of London

versus not right and Tucker Carlson goes on to talk to Pierce Morgan and Pierce Morgan might as well have put to you like brought to you by City of London tattooed on his forehead. Right. Every click, every connection, every moment your business is online, a threat is evolving.

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ever since they really took over. And that is that there shall not be a strong power on the continent because a strong power of the continent could say to them, why are you quoting laws to us? We have swords. We're just going to take your money and you can't do anything about it. Go fly a kite. Back to the pale.

Right. so the city of London has contrived things you know i would recommend pete's episode on the city of london with stormy i think it was stormy um about this is what phil gibson my buddy okay but story we talked about it too um the heritage american tucker carlson basically said your city of London sociopathic need to not have a strong power on the continent is retarded and you've destroyed your country and you're a fool for wanting to perpetually have this financial interest and not have a strong country underneath it and peers Morgan to you know for what

or whatever else he is. He's very adroit, very good on his feet. Well, what about it? No, dude. No, you do not get to try and provoke a nuclear war with Russia because having a functioning empire on the continent gives you bad fee-fees. I don't want to get nuked because you feel bad because there's a strong power in the continent.

Don't care. not my problem and if someone like Tucker who probably knows more than he lets on let's all be honest Blake Neff was working for him he probably knows a little bit more than he talks about

obviously a bright dude okay he's not going to just scream it's the Jews you know and then Hulk homo hokomania style like tear off his shirt and there's not going to be like, you know, Derek Vineyard

wouldn't be a little friendship tattoo under, like, that's not Tucker Carlson, okay? And don't be upset if that's not him, okay? You can't be mad at the guy for being, you know, in his mid-50s and slowly coming to realize that new conservatism is nonsense. Would it be cool if, like, you know, everyone in Pundit was like

secretly had the Derek Vineyard Riddle of Friendship Tattoo and they all simultaneously tore their shirts off Hulkomania style and said H-H-H brother like there's a part of me that's like you know perpetually 12 years old that would be like you know think that was awesome but I live in the real world and I understand that that's not the way things are actually going to go

the important thing that we need people in elites circles right now to do is to hold the president accountable and the stuff he's done and to push for other good things. There's absolutely no reason NBC should be in the White House briefing room, because they're just going to lie. The OGC live stream last week had more listeners or more watchers than CNN does. Why can't Doug be the White House correspondent for the Orglotian?

Club. Why does CNN get a White House correspondent an old glory club not? Why can't we have someone from the Virginia chapter be the White House correspondent for the old glory club? They'd do a better job. They'd ask more interesting questions. They wouldn't lie. You know,

So all we need people with influence to do is just not lie. That's it. That's all. You know, well, all these women are, you know, you're, you're, Mr. President, all of your cuts have disproportionately affected women. Well, I would refer to you to the writing of Mr. Charles Padil, uh, women. Don't work in the private economy. They do stuff for men.

So maybe these women could, like, I don't know, get married and have kids. Men will pay them to do that. They'll be happier. Next question. They're going to have to grow their hair out. They're going to have to grow their hair out on their head and get rid of the hair under their arms first. Okay. indeed

and really that's not much to ask for no and I only bring this up very briefly because I promise we talk about it the California fires are a choice and we haven't talked about things like accidents over Washington D.C. Those are a choice.

There's a lot of stuff out there that's necessary and boring. And you need a dude like me who's boring and autistic and really cares about spreadsheets to monitor that stuff. And this decline that we've seen my entire adult life is a choice. You can choose to not decline. You can choose to build. You can choose to make things better. You know, don't accept that, like, Oh, it just inevitably, this is what happens.

Like, no, those fires in California that killed people and burned billions of dollars, they could have been prevented and it was a choice to make that happen. You know, the crime that happens in America's cities, that's a choice because you could have locked these people up. But you did. The roads that are not safe, that's a choice. The airlines that aren't safe, those are choices. you have to have standards you have to enforce those standards you have to care about building civilization brick by brick

and that takes hard work and it's boring but it's necessary and the guys who were too busy caring about whether or not the planes don't fall out of the sky don't have much time to care about whether you're about zimzozer is you know in the one in the air traffic controller seat And unless someone is advocating for the actual brick on the ground, making sure stuff works, they're advocating for bad things to happen to D.C. people because they're advocating for ignoring the stuff that's necessary in favor of stuff that isn't. So they're choosing crime. They're choosing plans falling out of the sky. They're choosing wildfires.

They're choosing, you know, this lackluster hurricane response in North Carolina. They're choosing that. And it's very simple to not choose it. And all we need is people in charge to choose the right thing. Well, you know, it's when he started doing all these things and doing all these EOs, executive orders, and just basically dismantling a bunch of things. of stuff. You're talking about choosing.

I mean, what you found out was, what we found out was, you can just do stuff. You know, like, literally just decide to do stuff. And they, fuck them. They can't, they're not fighting back. Especially if you just say, look, this is the way it is, fight it in court. It was like the whole thing with not funding, I forget what it was, they were not funding, and then a judge stepped in and said, well, that executive order is, you know, unconstitutional. Okay, we'll pull the executive order, but we're still not going to send the funds out.

Okay, you can just do stuff. You can literally become an Article 2 president where you're like, all power lies in the executive. Fuck you. He just has to keep doing it. And, I mean, just today, he is talking about South Africa. Yeah, the only real legit refugees in the world are, you know, Christians in the Middle East and white South Africans. Yeah. So is he, you know, what was the thing? Panama.

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The people can be like, oh, you know, some shitlibs on Twitter are like, oh, you think we should be bullying our friends? It's like, friends. They're just as zogged as we've been. Canada is just as zogged as we've been. The frigging president of Mexico's last name is Shinebaum. Europe is a fucking open rape zone. What friends? if anything, we're going to have to

fucking bail these people out. We're going to have to clean shit up here and then go there and do it. It's probably England. It's probably England and Great Britain's only friggin hope is for us to do it. Maybe Ireland, too.

Yeah, we're going to have to send the first Marine Division to liberate England. Yeah. I mean, what the fuck? And that's what we're building upon now. Yeah, Trump is not the, I mean, well,

let's see what the fuck happens. Let's see how much he tears apart. He can tear apart enough that some stuff stops working and some stuff just gets delayed and then you just have to, you have to keep pushing for the stuff, you know, that doesn't get torn down. I mean, 80 years, destroying 80 to 100 years of work is not easy. It takes will and it takes knowing exactly how to do it. I don't know that they know exactly how to do it. But, you, can figure it out, keep pushing it, keep talking about it on our shows. And then, you know, it's just a matter of who comes next or, you know, what does Trump really want his legacy to be? Because I think that's something that people forget. Is Trump, Trump wants to, his legacy is more

important than anything at this point to him. And he does, I don't think he wants to be seen as a failure. I think he's seen, you know, when you look at his first term, I mean, sure, there were some successes, but for the most part, he was everything he would try to do was stopped. And he wasn't even prepared going into office. When people are like, oh, what's going to be different this time? Well, everyone who said, what's going to be different this time? You still saying that 14 days later? You cowardly fucks?

I mean, really, if you're out there and you're like, well, I mean, just Canadian health care, really, I mean, what kind of life are you living? I saw somebody the other day, you know, Oren was talking about how, you know, we have to get to the point where our people are just cancel proof. and some on some terminally online fuckhead goes orin's talking about canceling people and he blocked me motherfucker i just had j auto poll on my show you want to talk about cancellation like i can't get a job in any school in the world in the world he's taught in seven different countries he's he's canceled everywhere and you got blocked by someone on Twitter? Grow the fuck up. Get some friends in real fucking life. Do you have friends in real life or is your whole life the fucking group chat on Twitter? Grow the fuck up.

I mean, how do these people run their lives? How would you buy a house? How would you start a family take it from somebody who you know fucking took a long time to grow up don't fucking wait you know someone like zoomer historian on twitter i mean this guy's a literal zoomer he's also got like four kids wish i would have fucking done that it's time stop fucking complaining about Stop finding the fucking negative in everything, especially online, and go deal with your own fucking life. Go build something, have the frigging weight of the government fall in on it, and then complain. Stop complaining if you haven't fucking tried, even tried to build something yet, and you're

making excuses. I'm done. Yeah. Can you at least bench two plates? Like, let's get there first and then. Two plates, two kids. One or the other. Yeah, I'm as skeptical of Trump as anybody.

I've been a hard rate thought criminal for longer than most, and some of you kids have been a lot. but good things are good things don't let the fact that you know we haven't achieved TAV overnight prevent you from like going out living your life and doing whatever it is you need to do

to be successful I don't understand it we have to do your daily duties no matter what so go out and do them yeah i think um i think one of us has a hard out and um i'm pretty fucking exhausted so i think the message we got out there just for this first 15 14 days is good and then um Um, there's something I'm doing, doing pretty soon that, um, after I'm done with that, I'll want to do a, um, thought crime syndicate episode on, but, um, not announcing what that is publicly.

Yeah. And then once we're looking forward to that one, yeah. Yeah, yeah, we can get, we can get together and talk about that. So, um, I will give, uh, Charles this, this moment to, um, push and promote anything he wants. I don't have anything to push your, well, promote anything necessarily at this point, Pete, but I'm just going to try and make it very brief regarding your statement about, do you even try, do you ever do anything? Get out there, try and live your life. As everybody knows, much to my chagrin, I am unmarried and childless.

It's not through any lack of effort on my part, but chips just never fell the way I wanted them to, but I certainly did make the effort. I also had my career taken from me. Those of you that have read my book, The Holistic Guide to Suicide, probably know a great deal about it. But if you haven't, you're welcome to purchase it and read it. My story's in there. So I would say as somebody who has lost more than he has time to recount at this point, I can tell you that I have been in the bottom, I've been at the top, and I've been in a lot of places in between. You cannot stop moving. You cannot give up. The worst thing you can do is to give up. It truly, truly is. That's the worst thing you can do. And I want to tell you that you are blessed, listeners, more than you

can possibly believe. Even at your darkest moments, I assure you, and I will quote my Lord and Savior, I solemnly assure you, you are more blessed than you realize. You live in an era where the boot is beginning, maybe we aren't there yet, but the boot is beginning to be taken off our necks. I did not have that benefit for 50-some years. Peter did not have that benefit for 50-some years. You do. Make the most of it. Make the most of it. And I want to say this before I leave. With all the immigration issues happening, I am very pleased to see it happening. I'm very pleased to see things I have been raining about for at least 27 years starting to be addressed. And I put on Twitter recently that while I am glad to see them, it had started a despondency spiral

in my own life and in my own mind because my life was taken from me my career was taken from me for speaking up and saying we needed to address these things and I've lived a life of alcoholism and penury for a very long time I'm not longer an alcoholic but that's a whole other thing but I was just brought a lot of pain

that I had lost so much and now I see all these guys getting to do the job that I signed up and I wasn't allowed to do so here's the point of my long bemoaning story here right now I want to thank everybody in the Pete Canonez telegram chat, and I want to thank everybody on Twitter that responded with your thoughts and your encouragement and your prayers.

I can't name names at the moment, but God bless all of you that responded and sent them. They were much, much more helpful than I could ever hope to express. So God bless you all. And as always, Pete, thank you for having me on your program. Did you know, employers can gift up to 1,500-year-tax. free to employees in a tax year. Many of Ireland's largest employers choose Me to You, a guaranteed Irish-owned

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Find us online at me to you. dot I.E., Me to you, supporting Irish retail. Of course. DeU. you have something to promote of your own uh well a uh a show out there for traditionally mighty catholics and uh radical right types trying to fuse both those things uh fundamental principle is uh been launched recently by a couple of buddies my and patrick and jerome they're uh

doing good work and um i believe you made an appearance pete it was wonderful um good it was a good good show and I was strongly encourage that that's kind of your interest listeners please give it a shot I believe Pete has links to it if you go back and it's I've promoted it on my telegram channel so

I'll take care of it. Thank you very much and of course you know please go to you know free manly wall beyond the wall slash support and you know kick Pete a fiver please you know this is necessary work that needs to get done and you know right now

we don't have institutional support, God willing, Creek done right? Someday we will. But right now, you know, the only people who are going about for you listeners are people like Pete. So please show them some support. Yeah, I can talk about all the failings in my own life and things that I didn't do. And all I can tell you is that right now, everything that I'm doing is so that those are you out there who are looking to build for the future. future, build families, grow families, nurture families. The work I'm doing, the work we're doing is to try to make it easier for you to do that.

So, and for your kids, kids and everything. So, yeah, that's what our goal is. That's what we, we know what the future is. We know what's most important. And that's the work we're putting in. So if you ever wonder why I do this, it's so that there can be a beautiful future, a bright future, a thriving future that I will never see, that I won't be alive for. But I think men in the past, great men of the past, always knew that they were, you know, as the cliche goes, planting trees that they would never enjoy the shade of. And I think that's what we're doing here.

So thanks, everyone. Thank you, gentlemen. I appreciate it. And we're back. How are you gentlemen doing? What's going on, D? Well, Pete, it's good to have you back, but I do have a very important question for you.

What's that? What's it like being in a first world country? I'll answer that after I say hello to Charles. Hey, Pete. Good to have you back. Nice to see you again. Yeah. Well, here's what I will say. I will say that I've come to the conclusion that if you, well, I've come to the conclusion that pretty much the only way that you're going to have any kind of order like that here is, it would have to be widespread, but it would also have to be, extremely localized.

I mean, you, a national police force here. You have six, there's 6.6 million people in El Salvador. Um, there's what, 350 million here.

I mean, and we don't know how many illegals. So national police force here is probably just going to become another frigging USAID kind of bullshit program. Um, so I think that one thing that I was taught by going there is that, Even though I think $6 million is still too many for a polity, for a proper polity, it's a lot easier to deal with than $350 million and that it just basically tells me more and more that we need to split up and we need to break this down into pieces and that if you are going to have order and if you're going to bring order out of what has been disorder. then you're going to have to have a fuck around and find out kind of attitude.

And that's what I saw there. The one thing that you see there is you see that there's still poverty and there's always going to be poverty because you have a certain segment of that population and a large segment is very low IQ. And, yeah, there's not much you can do for them except, you know, nobles oblige. And if they're all Salvadorians, if they're all cousins related, something, that's a lot easier to do. But the thing I saw from the richest neighborhood to the barrios that we drove through and back and forth from the airport and taken Ubers and things like that is that if you're going to clean up and if you're not going to have an armed presence on the street, after that, and I'm talking about they have a civil guard with shotguns. These are people who, these are normally probably more like native to the land kind of people who are the civil guard.

And then you have the military, which the military to me seem more like European Spaniards. And they're walking around with M16s, fully strapped, ready to go. that's just the way order is going to have to be done especially coming out of we're not coming out of the era of being the murder capital of the world like they are but there are sections of this country that none of us want to visit so as a going forward if you want to learn anything from El Salvador, and what Buceli is doing is, I mean, there's numerous things, but I can start with, I'll talk about prisons if you want to, because I've learned a lot about the prison system down there, which isn't just, you know, a max where they put people forever.

They have another prison system there, which is doing incredible things, and not just for the prisoners, but they're actually making them. work for the whole fucking country. But if you are going to have order, if you're going to, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, this store, walk to walk to the store at night without worried about getting hassled, then you're going to have, we're going to have, we're going to have a different, a different approach to how we deal with things. Absolutely.

This is, yes. Well, and I'll tell. I'm going to warn you guys ahead. ahead of time that I'm going to warn you guys ahead of time that I'm going to try not to step on toes, but this is all very much in my Ballywick. So forgive me if I keep jumping in very, very frequently. But yes, I co-sign everything you're saying, Pete. We have to, the entire view of both imprisonment and law enforcement in this country has to be completely reevaluated. Since most of our ideas regarding incarceration are about 200 to 250 years old, and they just don't

apply anymore. They just don't apply anymore. It's that simple. Dee, please go ahead. I don't want to stomp on you. Well, no, that's all right. You know far more about this than I do. I'll just say that in some sociology work I did many years ago in college, right? You look into the history of prisons, and it's this

absolutely bad shit Quaker idea of like, we'll just make you sit in your room with no books and, like, go to your room, and I'm going to take your game, but you take your take your Nintendo and I'm going to give you just copy the Bible and you'll think about how bad a person you are and you'll feel bad and then you'll reform

your life. It's like not only your Quakers like theologically retarded in all kinds of ways, right? Like they're the most smug, obnoxious sort of Northeastern Protestant

out of everybody. But also like that doesn't It barely, court is sort of kind of almost worked in like rural New England or Pennsylvania. It really doesn't work with populations of red Indians and mestizos and blacks and, you know, literally everything,

everyone from all across the world in New York, right? Like, I guarantee you there's prisoners, violent criminals in New York City from at least 70 countries in New York's jails right now

at least 70 that's a safe that's a safe estimate that's a safe estimate Rikers Island is definitely a multi-cult liberal or progressive multicultural paradise right

I mean and and so this notion that we can like well if someone doesn't have the IQ right like I forget what the threshold is but it's in the 90s right to honestly self-reflect so if someone's if some some Negro dude who's got an IQ of 82 which is not unreasonable for that population right right is literally not really capable of self-assessment setting him in a box all that does is like endanger other people that are around him

and maybe keep people outside safe and endanger the guards. Right? Yeah, yeah, very much endangers guards, absolutely. And you have to, someone like that, like, you need to like throw them in jail for talking to white women.

And that's, and people will be like, that sounds like, you know, what's the, oh, the kid that got lynched to his dad was a rapist, who probably sexually assaulted. Emmett Till? Medgar Evers. Emmett Till, right? Like, you know, that's the Emmett Till thing.

He was killed for whistling at a white woman. Yes. Yeah, because that's the kind of standard you have to have to control these people of like, nope. The second you loosen up and, and he wasn't, you know, he wasn't, he was killed because he, like, sexually assaulted that lady. Right. And, you know, we all know, we all know what the difference is.

But the cultural standard that worked in Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, you know, Louisiana for a hundred years was, boy, you don't even talk to white women. Well, again, like, just to kind of, yeah, just to kind of go into some of your points, Steve, like, remember, like, let's just wheel it back just a little bit. You were talking about these principles didn't really work in New England or barely functioned in New England. in New England, Pennsylvania, things like that. The areas that are Pennsylvania from, from all those places. They barely functioned there. And you were 100% right. That's what I meant by these ideas are antiquated.

The goal was to put you in a cell by yourself so you could think about what you did wrong. Okay, that might, might work with guys in this chat right now and people listening to this program. And even then, I would argue that probably wouldn't work completely well because obviously if somebody messes with either of your wives, you're going to take, you're going to throw hands. You're going to do something. And there's nothing to think about. There's nothing to regret. What are you going to regret? No, I protected my family. This is my job. I'm a husband. I'm a father. I'm a man. So, okay, so first off, we cut right through that. So if you might be fully justified in why you're in prison, so that's 50% off of your self-assessment anyway. And then

And even if you aren't justified, okay, guys with R IQ and the listeners, yeah, you might, reflect and go, okay, I did something wrong and all that. But you don't need prison to do that. You could just sit in the backseat of a squad car and you'll go, man, what I did was stupid. I can't believe I did that. I shouldn't have drank so much or I shouldn't let him get to me, whatever. You don't need prison. There's an excellent book by a man named James Berry.

He was the last executioner. It's called my, I always say, my thoughts as an executioner or something. His name is James Berry, if you look it up, and it says, it's excellent. And he talks about how prison reform is absolutely, and the death penalty is absolutely necessary, but it needs to be reworked because, again, you're not really applying it in a way that's functioning properly. It's all backwards and it's all outdated, and it doesn't align with how most people, to bring your point D, most people operate. It just doesn't align with the actual operations of the world.

The way we do things align with, as you pointed out, Quakers are already, and I'll be charitable. I won't say that they're weirdos or lunatics. I'll just say that they'll be charitable and say they don't think like most other people. They're a very unique subset of a subset of people, a subset of a subset. So you can't apply their standards to, as you said, Pete, you know, 70 plus nationalities, ethnicities, what have you, in Rikers Island. It's just not going to work.

It just doesn't work. And when we go down to the IQ, I want to say the average black in America is 85 and the average mestizo was 86, if I'm correct. I mean, somebody in the chat, I'm sure in the audience could double check my numbers. I think, but when you're dealing with an IQ. You're right about the Negroes and the mestizos are like 91, I think. okay okay something like that it's it's not high it's not significantly higher and when you add the fact there's probably 10 times them than there are blacks and we're still in trouble but moving forward to

the point of making here like these people you can't let them sit in a box and think about what they did because instead of thinking about what they did was wrong they'll think about how they can do it to get away with it next time they're not reflecting on on their punishment they're reflecting on how how they got caught. So that's why corporal punishment needs to come back. Again, to kind of address your point, D, about the whole, well, he was beaten for whistling at a white woman. It's like, well, because that's the only thing they understand. I can't sit them in the back of the squad car and let them think about it. It doesn't work. Again, not to be flipping, but these are the people who answer the question, but I had breakfast. Did you know, employers can gift up to

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But I did eat breakfast. So how can you get them to reflect on their misdeeds? it doesn't work. You have to corporally punish them. You have to bring back the stocks. Right. Well, if they're incapable of reflecting on like how would they feel if they hadn't had breakfast, they're certainly not capable of reflecting of like how would my life be different if I had made better choices. Right. And, you know, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll tuck out here and admit some leftist stuff is true. Like, there are, you know, structural problems that, you know, the whole individualist right wing libertarian nonsense of just like nah man like if you grow up

in an environment where it's normative that uncles drink and then molest their nieces like on reservations like there's no way you're not coming up messed up out of that like i'm sorry go you know you can't just like bootstrap your way into in into like being a functioning healthy human being i'm sorry like it's just it's just not now the question then becomes is like how does the wider society deal with dysfunctional populations inside of, you know, inside, you're like, do you like encapsulate it and then cut it out? Do you, like, what do you do? Like, there's this, this tumor in the body politic where, you know, it's normative to, like, get really high and hurt people or drive drunk or like, you know, Mestizo's love, love child molestation.

that's their like bat and driving drunk those are their two favorite you know um so yeah i know first like what do you do with those people yeah right and so like if that's the thing that they do right just just like jews and financial crime like like if those are things that they do how do you deal with that and in naibu kelly god bless him the the best president in the world right now He actually is dealing with the reality in front of him. I can't remember which king it is. But, you know, someone was like asking, I think, the Austro-Hungarian emperor, I'm probably wrong, you know, or maybe the Serbians is like, you know,

why don't you act more like the king of the Swedens, the Swedes, who does this, this, this, when my people are Swedes, I'll act like the king of the Swedes, right? Yeah. Now, but Kelly understands, like, he's the. president of El Salvador. And so he needs to treat them like El Salvadorans, which is to say, like, nah, bro, you got the face tattoo, whether you're guilty or not, I'm going to treat you like you act. And you act like you murder people for fun because you got the cheeredrap tattoo on your face.

Now, whether you did or not, we'll leave that up to the courts to decide. But in the meantime, go to jail. yeah and i want to bring i want to raise a point here to your i want to raise a point here to your your quote about the when i'm king of the swedes i'm king of the swedes or i'll treat my people like their swedes when i'm king of the swedes yet what i like to bring up in times like this is that often and frequently misquoted passage from the prince where machiavelli writes when in the question of whether it is better to be loved or feared everybody immediately jumps to oh, it's better to be feared than love.

Well, that's not actually the real quote. The real quote is, in the question of whether it is better to be loved or feared, the answer is, of course, it is best to be both. It is best to be both. So to go back to the point that you were raising there, like, Dee, you're a father. I'm not doxing anything about that. You've made that publicly known. If you really love your children, you're going to treat them like who they are,

like who their father is, who their mother is, what they are the product. of. You're not going to raise them like they're somebody else's kids. Why? Because your kids have specific needs, respond to specific things, desire certain things, and need certain concessions that other children don't. And those other children need different things than your children. It's not a matter of more racism. It's not a matter of hate. If anything, it's a matter of love. you understand the people that are in your charge, that are under your care, and you address their needs, their behaviors, and you discipline them in a way that will turn them into the best possible citizens of your household. Does that make sense, Steve? Do you see where I'm going

with that? Absolutely. And not only that, but. Hey, guys. Hey, Jose. How's it going? What's happening? We're just talking about Pete's trip to a first world country. El Salvador, yes. And in fact, this is... Okay, so without getting too doxy, some of my children are more talented than others at certain academic stuff.

Okay? My expectation for the child who's really good at, say, math, is that they get an A in math. And that's the expectation. And if they don't have that, then there's consequences. Because I know they have the talent, and if they're not getting it, then they're just not working hard and they're being lazy. And I might have another kid who struggles with math. And if they get a B, that's like good effort for them.

Right? Yes. And if you treat every child like they're than like a naturally talented athlete who's also very small. and good looking and sociable then you're harming those children because maybe they're not sociable maybe they're nerdy

maybe they don't like you know you're the responsible party you have to act and treat each child differently based on what their strengths and weaknesses are and if you treat them all the same right you're you're going to retard the

the talented ones and like give the the ones that aren't talented complexes because you're like well why aren't you know why aren't you running the hundred in you know 11 seconds well because I'm not good enough like I'm not naturally a sprinter so why why are you holding you to this you know high level sprinter standard

it's and in a similar fashion right If Nebuchadilly was like, in El Salvador, we're going to change the economy so that everyone is a computer engineer and we are going to make ourselves the tech hub of the 21st sensory. People would be like, are you high?

You're dealing with El Salvadorans, man. Like, they're not going to do that. Right, right. And expecting them to do that, is stupid now and one thing i will say is is that it's it's more you can talk about that easier down there um amongst as long as you're not near the you're the academic class because yeah i went to a museum and i got to hear um from some young young kid who spoke perfect english work at the museum yada yada would explain exhibits to you and everything you know about oh

the the the poor unfortunate innocent souls they got um you know swept up in these i mean it's no one is you're shit libs that we have here who would scream no no everyone can be an astronaut everyone can be a rocket scientist everyone could be you're just he's not going to listen to that And the culture there is leaning towards, yeah, we're not going to listen to that. We're not going to get out of what we were and get to be, you know, a country that people actually want to come to or businesses want to come to whatever they want to do. Hopefully they don't turn out like Ireland did. You're going to have to squash that shit when people start saying it because that's the kind of shit they'll say here. yeah well and and not only that but like to to talk about something you know we all four of us

participated in the um race war in high school series right how how messed up is american education because we just can't admit that not everyone is supposed to go to college right you know in in el salvador they'll be like look man you hate school like yes i hate school you love working on engines. Like, yes, I love working on engines. Okay. Can you balance your checkbook? Yeah, okay, I can. Can you do enough basic math to, like, how care the gear ratios you need to for your, for, you know, messing around with engines? Yes, I can. Can you write a coherent sentence? Can you write, you know, write well enough to conduct daily business? Yes, I can. All right. Here's an apprenticeship for we're, you know, working on engines. Go work at the garage.

They'll pay you, and you'll get, you know, high school credits for that. I don't know if they're doing that in El Salvador, but that's the sort of thing that they should be doing. You know where they did that? Germany. Germany, pressure. Yeah, yeah. And then they tried to export that over here, and why wasn't that going to work here? Because you don't have a coherent culture where people are going to be like, yeah, I want to work to make the country better.

no I want we've been so we've been so hyper brainwashed by individualism no I need to be a scientist I need to be rich I need to be a lawyer I need to be a doctor well no I mean that's what a coherent culture does well that's true but also in the United States right the second I mean we we tend to forget this but you know in 1957 the The United States actually cared what the global, because of the Cold War, the, you know, racial diversity in America was a stick to beat America with. And if, if we'd actually done the pressure on education thing and didn't be like, look, you know, 95% I think you mentioned this on, um, uh, Jason's show, Charles. Everyone should go check that out. Our friend Jason Marion Check had had Charles on. It was a really good episode. like 4% or less of the black people would be in medical school that are presently in medical school or something like that. It's it's less than 10% for sure.

Right. Oh, I heard a number on a podcast. It was, um, it might have been Scott Adams was talking about it where he was saying that if, if it was purely on merit, point. 0.5% of the medical school, people accepted to medical school in this country would be black. Okay. That might have been something I heard from you, Pete. I, sorry. I get confused. I mean, it's, it's an insane number that, you know, it's like you hear it and you cringe. You're like, holy shit. Yeah. Well, and that's, that's probably accurate.

To step back to your point, Pete, your point, Pete, about the whole. well, I want to be a lawyer. I want to be a scientist. I kind of, I kind of think you're actually even being charitable with that. Because as I talked, as I spoke with millennial woes for millennial, I mentioned, I mentioned that America had devolved due to, it's probably due to its Mollock worshipping small segment of its population that just got focused hyper, they turned individualism into just hyper greed. And it says, everybody wants to be rich. I want to be rich. I want to be an influencer. I want to be wealthy. I want to be rich. I would actually kind of prefer if they just wanted to be lawyers or scientists because, hey, I want to help people or, hey, I want to

cure the sick or I want to help people from losing their homes against, you know, the abuses of imminent domain laws or corporate, rapine corporate culture. But no, it's not. It's just I want to be rich. I want to be rich. I want to be rich. It's all about me. It's going from the land of the free home of the brave to the land of the me home of the slave it's and it's just tiresome it's all tiresome so yeah i i i agree with your point i just wish it was even as altruistic as as what you painted it as i sadly think it's even bleaker than that Jose i was saying that um i started off talking about how you know obviously in the poorer neighborhoods in the barrios which was really ms 13's stomping ground where they were just shaking down businesses and things like that, you know, now they have

armed, they have armed security, they have civil guard, and they have military, but not just there. It's everywhere. It's like, I mean, it's a show of force. It's a fuck around and find out. Look what we accomplished. Look what it took to accomplish this. And we're not going to let this ever happen again.

So that's sort of how we got off on this. Yeah, I'm fascinated by the case of El Salvador. It's to show that if you actually have the right type of leadership, you can make things happen even in a country that is as, like, demographically and historically wretched as El Salvador has been, that you can make concrete progress on that. I wanted to also double down on one point that Charles made. I agree that now things have evolved in Western societies where people's aspirations are just to become like social media influencers and other people that just accumulate social media clout as opposed to providing productive goods and services for a society, much less trying to make society prosperous and for current and future generations. And it's just pure service for Mammon and accumulating social media likes and dopamine hits. Did you know, employers can gift up to 1,500 euro tax-free to employees in a tax year. Many of Ireland's largest employers choose me to you, a guaranteed Irish-owned multi-store gift card,

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in the absence of these people to what you do with these people because, you know, it's not only the fact that Buckelly was, you know, just had the will to do all this, had the will to defy the judges and had the will to basically take the military into courts and be like, I'm in charge. I'm sorry. You're, we're doing this and there's nothing you can do about it. It's also the fact that he had to have someplace to put these people. And, you know, it goes beyond the prison that he set up the Seacot prison, which is, you know,

you're never going to see the outside again. You know, that's the maximum security where he put the absolute worst of the worst. He's actually set up a prison system outside of that with the people who aren't, you know, don't deserve life in prison or really what we know what they really deserve. where they have to, they're rebuilding the country. And they're not only rebuilding the country. He's kind of forcing them to rebuild themselves. Because, you know, a lot of these people who are in there, not all of them are gangsters and career criminals.

A lot of them are professionals who fell into some shit because that happens. It happens in every society that has where, you know, there's organized crime and there's crime and there's money to be made in a black market or whatever. So, yeah, I mean, I think that's another conversation we have to have because our prison systems are bullshit. I mean, it's Alabama and Mississippi have the worst. I mean, there's half these people probably shouldn't even be in prison. And the ones that are in there shouldn't be anywhere. You're mixing people who don't belong together. And also, you have a fucking workforce that could be rebuilding.

certain things, not just picking trash up off the friggin' side of the road. Yeah, there's a lot I mean, there's a lot of the American system. Yeah, it is. It's just the merit of the American system, right? And because we because we have this insane

devotion to equality and a few other issues, right, we have no, we can't be realistic about the sociopathic crime problem we have where we have, you know, this dedicated, you know, this small group of just animals really that

shouldn't even really be in prison they should they they you know they should have been you know you light a you light a nun on fire you shouldn't be in jail for 30 years you should just be

you know giving your last rights and from neck till dead right but we have that problem and then we have the guy who couldn't meet his child support because there's no place in the economy for a guy who's

you know fundamentally decent but kind of stupid right we have a lot of those people of all different types now we have more of those people because the racial makeup of the United States of America but you know like what are you going to do

we criminalize not being wealthy right you can't pay your taxes so we're just going to throw you in jail and you're in the same jail as you know guy who lit none on fire And we can't make the distinction between a guy who missed his child support payments because there's no jobs available for a guy with a, you know, 93 IQ with a drinking problem and, um, and a guy who, I would say that we can make a distinction.

We just don't want to and we're not allowed to because we're going to point out maybe certain demographic differences. We don't want to point that out because that would be mean. That would be mustache man. But to still move on with your point, still go alongside your point there. One of the things that drives me crazy about the understanding of criminal justice is people think the death penalty is for vengeance. It's not for vengeance. At least that's not what it should be for.

And they forget about really what its purpose is. And that is to clean the gene pool. You're throwing chlorine in the gene pool and to clear these people out. Like, we all have to remember that one of the. the reasons European society became more peaceful is because we killed a whole bunch of our own that were problems. Like you said, Dee, we hung them by the neck till dead. What did they do in the earthquake in Lisbon in the 16th century? What'd they do to looters, Dee? What'd the king say? He said, hang them all in the hillsides so you can see everybody so we can know what

you're not allowed to do. It's not really about vengeance. I would argue it's not even really about justice. It's about clean the gene pool so we don't have this problem any longer. But you're not allowed to talk like that. That's eugenicist. That's mustache man. So now we throw everybody in the same rape cage, which by the way, is an interesting point of American criminal justice history, do you know why organizations like the Aryan Brotherhood and white nationalism became a big thing in prison? Would you care? Any of you care to guess why that became a big thing in prison? Oh, I know exactly why. Go ahead. Because it was the only way for them not to get beaten to death.

Yeah, it was the only way for the white guy is to get extorted, beaten to death or sexually assaulted. To survive non-death penalty sentences, yes, yes, because any sentence was becoming in the 60s and 70s effectively a death sentence. Whether it was given by the courts or not was irrelevant. The other inmates of color were going to kill them.

So therein was founded the Aryan Brotherhood and a lot of other the white nationalist prison gangs. So, yeah, you just throw these people in the same rape cage and say, oh, okay. Oh, and also, while you're being raped, think about what you did wrong. It's just, it's pure insanity. And by the way, the name of the book I just remembered, it's my experience as an executioner by James Barry. Also, I highly recommend the book, the truth about lynching in the South. Both of those books are public domain, and you can find them with an easy Internet search.

Please, Jose, it looked like you were going to jump in by all means. Well, let me just add something real quick, Jose. And not only the public is taught to joke about men being raped by other men. It's a punchline. Yeah, and I don't mean to minimize it. Thank you, Pete, you're saying that. I really don't mean to diminish it. Thank you.

That was not meant to be a punchline for me. And I appreciate you saying that. Thank you. Because it was not at all meant to be a punchline. It really wasn't. It was meant to say, look at how awful this is and we still expect you. Okay, yeah, okay. But I do appreciate it.

Yeah. But like, no, this is to say, yeah. Okay, continue, please. I'm sorry. A few years ago, I used to watch some of these prison channels on YouTube. And what I gathered from a lot of that was that the whole prison system in many ways for um was almost like kind of like a um now has like degenerated into like a reward for a lot of these like dysfunctional criminals because they can just like commit any type of like act of

violence and then go like straight into like a prison where there's already like a racial hierarchy where they'll um just like thrive in and then like take it out on like other like white prisoners and then like if they get released sometimes they get so used to the prison system that they like instantly commit a crime to get back in. It kind of like doesn't serve a purpose. Like, I actually agree with Charles that the death penalty really is a

genetic cleansing mechanism that should be used a lot more. And that's why I'd like, I say like more mass executions as opposed to mass incarceration. And also the racial aspect of the prison system is very instructive because it's the most

extreme form to demonstrate like the danger of multiracialism, like, it just goes to show, like, you have to, like, band together or you will die. And unfortunately, that reality of the prison system, it's becoming increasingly the reality of the open-air prison that is multiracial USA these days. Let me do this. And I know that this could be...

From the... Just one thing wrote there, real quickly. Sure, man. If people are interested in the theoretical justifications for the death penalty, I can highly recommend philosopher, Professor Edward Faser, F-E-S-E-R, Edward Faser's book, By Blood, Shall His Man Be Shed? It's a comprehensive view of the philosophical underpinnings of the death penalty. And I can just say that it's not only is it 100% justified, it's, I think, obligatory. Let me share this. and, you know, I'll, I'm going to share screen, and I'll preface this by saying, yes, this is, this is a white kid who was allowed to basically go into the El Salvadorian prisons and do a quick documentary.

And it could, it could look like a Potemkin village. It could look like propaganda, which it probably is, but it also gives you an idea of exactly that Buckeli is not only, about okay we need to clean up the streets no we need to rebuild this country and what we have a frigging workforce that's that's available to rebuild it so um let me share this with you guys and um i think that you will you know we'll play it a little bit and you can tell me to stop whenever all right so let me one second here all right i'm going to start this and just you get the idea right off the jump. This was an El Salvador prison, and this is one now.

How does a prison go from being gang-controlled to now a prison where the prisoners themselves are helping to rebuild the country of El Salvador? Today, I am picking you inside of the world's most unconventional and most productive prison in the entire world. Some of these prisoners you will meet inside this video will become future engineers, construction workers, carpenters, farmers. These prisoners are quite literally helping to build a better El Salvador. This is all because the president, Naïi, E. Cayley's plan called Plan Cerro Osio,

which translates to plan. of no leisure, where prisoners are typically locked away inside a prison cell serving their time. The prisoners here in El Salvador are working 24-7 to help build a better El Salvador. El Salvador has gone through a... Obviously, I sped up the video just for anybody who's wondering. And actually, he makes a great point that the president has... Go ahead. Go ahead, Dee.

Go ahead, Charles. Well, the president... President Buckele said in one of his addresses, like, last year, why should people who's the average El Salvador and whose meals are tortillas and rice and beans, why should they pay for prisoners to have meat?

Yeah. And, you know, mercy to the guilty is injustice to the innocent. And the idea that we should have this huge population of people who are idle and consuming nothing or doing nothing but sitting in their

prison cells is ridiculous. Like, they should work. Well, Also kind of goes back to your point earlier regarding there, you know, there are people in there that are just in there because of, of, you know, didn't pay child support or whatever, things like that. Now, maybe not this specific prison per se, but I'm talking about the overarching plan of no leisure to use his. And also to use Pete's point earlier that some people, you know, are in there because they just got caught up in things. And it's a very corrupt society that was getting cleaned up and they got drawn in. But now you're actually giving them something to do. do. Remember, the idle hands are the devil's workshop. So you're giving these people something to do and you're giving them something to work towards. If you just throw them, and again, I don't say this flippantly. If you just throw them in a rape cage, what are you giving them? What are you giving them? What kind of hope are you giving them? What goal are you giving them to progress towards? Now, perhaps I may be being a bit optimistic here. I'm not saying all of these men are going to turn into engineers and world class science. but I don't see it as an unreasonable expectation or a or a pie in the sky hope that a lot of these men just find meaning in life again and just find meaning in work again because again that's that's man's curse to toil to work and without it he self-destructs so I think his idea

of plan of no leisure is great and it's also and I'll close with this and let it get back to the video very briefly. It's if you're going to want, if you want your population to work, then you can tell, then the best way to do it is what he's doing, which is to say you can either get up on your own, put your shoes on, kiss your wife, goodbye, go to work, get paid, get benefits, come home, have dinner, watch TV and go to bed. Or you can stay in a cage with everybody here and get up when we tell you to get up, do what we tell you to do, go to bed when we tell you to go to bed and watch TV. But either way, you're going to be working. You can choose how you want to work or we're going to choose. That's your options, but you're not getting out of work either

way. That's my piece. Dangerous country in the world to now the safest country in the Western Hemisphere. I'm going to show you guys a large reason why we'll be starting off this video going inside of this prison here and then we'll be going to another prison where nobody has ever actually gone into before. I will be the first person to ever receive access to go to where we're going today. Make sure you guys get this video like and subscribe the channel. We're on a mission to get the 500,000 subscribers as of right now. And now let's go inside of the prison. Here we go. Let's do this. We entered into the first of the two prisons we'll be going inside for this video. Throughout the video, the intensity and the production of the prisons

will increase as our phases to the prison system here and be ready for some things you would never expect to see inside of a prison. Now it was time to go meet the warden who will be guiding us throughout the first prison, La Esperanza. And what's it like in here? Here, the day-a-day is a job in the different talliers that we have in the center penal and learnisages,

to learn, learn, to learn, things new, things that are when they're in freedom, to be able to do this prison.

What's the difference between the prisoners here inside this prison versus the prisoners that are inside Secaut? The difference is that what we have

been interns or have been collaborators of the form obligated by the pandillas. No we have all the bandillers

active here. All the all the pandillers were taken from this central penal and led to If you do not know what Sechot is, it is a maximum security prison here in El Salvador,

where the most dangerous gangsters go to live the rest of their lives without ever seeing the light of sun again. However, in this prison, it is completely different. And so what kind of crime did someone have to commit to be inside of one of these prisons? Here we have to do things. But the most common are the violations, robos, stafas, this type of delitos is the most common here. And how long can somebody be in one of these prisons for? For how long time is the maximum time that one can be here?

There are internos that are condemned for more of 100 years. Everybody you're seeing inside this video that are not police officers or have a camera inside their hand are all prisoners that are then being put to work. Plan Cerrocio literally means plan of no leisure. These prisoners are being put to work 24-7 if they're not eating or sleeping. They're either studying or working here inside El Salvador. So they're prisoners. They're also.

They're private-de-libertat, too, that's about construction, and right they're repairing what is the piso of the parker. And how many people are here inside this prison? And because these prisoners are always occupied, we entered into the first classroom where they were learning about medical procedures. We have one classroom right here. and right next door, there's another classroom as well, and these guys are also learning.

So there's literally no leisure inside of the prison. No, no, no, we don't have to be occupied in some activity. What's the youngest person and what's the oldest person inside of the jail here? We need to the professors. Who's the professors? Who's the same? They're the same intern, but are, they're medical or have information-relationated. Even the teachers that are teaching these classes are also prisoners that were once somehow educated enough inside of the field

that they're currently teaching it to teach an entire classroom. So this prison is becoming completely auto-sufficient, and how they teach, how they learn, and how they're able to go about their business here with everything that they do. Right here, they're doing a practice here. You can see they have a person on a stretcher. They're doing a practice, so that way these people are learning

how to become medics if needed eventually. One, two, three. And right now they're undergoing practice. For example, right now, this is a CPR practice they are doing. And they have even gang men's out on the back right now. One, two, three, four, five. Is that safe? Yeah, right now they're doing a medical course,

and so that was part of their practice with a CPR test. And I think everybody passed. All right, right? Of course, that's the objective. Ensignarles to save lives and prevent Lesions. And before you were here inside of this prison, were you also in the medical field? Yes, we both are medics, we've been three medics,

infermeros, a carg of the program of promoters of health. And how long have you been inside of this job for? Two years, for two months. Six years. Six years. Okay, something? Droga. And now inside of this classroom,

they're learning about chemistry here. Inside of each classroom, there's a biometric thing here that scans each person as they walk into the classroom to make sure they're authorized to come in, and they're not missing any classes. They even keep traveling. Who comes in plastic? There's absolutely no ditching here inside the prison.

And what was it like here inside El Salvador and in the prison systems here in El Salvador before Naid Qaeda became president? In this center penal, what you saw in these murals were graffiti, graffiti of bandia. It was a trafficer incredible of illicit. Traficaband drugs,

trafficked objects prohibited in the center penal. There were bands that were in here in the complex, the control, the vent of drugs. In this center of penal, there were many massacres. Because the bands formed

The CIA needed its funding, so of course. Is it true that they used to... Well, is that? The CIA needed its funding, you know. So, of course, there were drug smuggled, right? But, no, it's something worth talking about here just briefly, right? And in this, there's a lot to be disappointed with Trump. He's, you know...

But I guarantee you, guarantee you that there were American NGOs imposing that sort of liberal um quaker you know American prison system type stuff on El Salvador I guarantee it that the that they're that the

you know open society foundation or whatever you want to say like was was helping make the prisons in El Salvador the way they are and or the way they were and it's the rejection of that that is leading to success you know one of the things that Bokele is doing is getting rid of all the

NGOs in this country well you know who who you know democracy advocates are the ones who are like well your prisons are cruel well maybe people who commit crimes don't deserve leisure

maybe people who are you know murderers don't deserve like just chill on the taxpayer so I guarantee you that the reason part of the reason that the prisons

were so dysfunctional prior to President Bekele is that American money which is to say Jews in America wanted that place to be dysfunctional

because it's easier to exploit if it's dysfunctional. Once a prisoner has proven himself and pass various exams and evaluations, they are then moved to the prison called La Granha, where they are then called a person of confidence.

Inside of this prison, the prisoner is able to work without as tight security, and they help produce all the food for the prison systems here in El Salvador. They even have farm life, and this is home to the new controversial fabric factory that I will be going into very, very soon. I met with the warden to get a full tour.

What's the difference between this prison in the prison we were just at in Las Braenza? The Branza is the center of apprenticeship, and this is where the activities that have learned, so essentially, this is where someone goes after they graduate from that last prison where we were just at home.

Obviously, after having completed, too, there are quite a center like this. This is the best prison you could possibly be in before you are then sent in public. Asi is. Here's where they're executing the works that were to be able to the industrial kitchen here, where they make over 20,000 meals a day for the prisoners inside of El Salvador. Before taking the food into the factory,

they harvest it all and fields outside, and then they then take it inside, and this is where they provide all the food for all the prisoners across El Salvador. So here is one of the fresh-made meals here. They have the beans, rice, and some tortillas in there. You're one of the chefs here. On a scale 1 in 10, how would you rate the quality of the food here?

Is it in a new level, like, 10 to do you have here inside of this show? You know how much of the Zetina, here in this car so. It's yours. What crime do you commit? Take people to delico their steady. Oh, I do you take the precision these guys are even just cutting these tomatoes with is actually insane. That guy over there got it super, super organized, and these guys,

You guys are just cutting non-stop tomatoes. I don't know how many hours they do this a day, but they're going at it right now, and none of them are even stopping. What are you preparing here? Aftor for the dinner. Wow, it's a much of the cold. How many hours are you guys sleep? For how many hours a day do you guys sleep?

For how many hours a day do you're doing? And no, you know, no, none of that. And what do you do to have fun? We have the sport, and also, we've been able to be able to censurated and revised right here they're making the cookies and then right here they're making the tortillas for the food so fascinating here because everything is so streamlined and done so quickly here everybody moves from one spot to the next one spot to the next one spot to the next one spot to the next and there's no time for anything to be wasted and everything that does get put to waste is then put back into

the machine there's no waste here inside of this prison how many hours are day are How are you going to get here? What did you do to get here? What was the time you received for that? 13 years. I've got nine. Now it was time to enter into the new massive megafactory here inside of this prison. And this building is absolutely massive.

Just look at this. We are the first people ever to receive access to where we're at right now. This is a new building that built here inside of the prison. We can see there are thousands upon a thousand of people that are working on fabrics here. These same clothes are going to use for schools, for the prisoners' outfits. Any outfit for the government will be made here inside of this room right here. How many people are here working inside right now? We have around 2,200 people.

And what are they working on? They're working on what they're working on. As they're doing it in the uniforms, as well as they're doing, also the clothes they make here will be used for the prisoners, but it'll also be used for hospitals, schools, and other projects, This is going to be a maquilla national. Here we're going to execute the elaboration of the uniforms, of the total of the Libertas, of the Ministry of Education,

the uniforms, right? It's going to be made, too, for the other institutions that are required, right? Here, inside of this prison, what are we seeing right? Now, here, we're seeing the area textile. Here, all the companions have been totally null to this place.

I know, not even nebred a machine. In this place, it's a little basic, how ennevra an machine. For those who are listening, of this, it is literally thousands of people sewing. I mean, I'm not, am I exaggerating by saying thousands? I don't think so. No, it looks like there's at least 1,500, 2,000. Yeah, I'd say, I'd say it looks very much like that, about 2,000 people. It's massive. I just want to say

something, too, regarding to pause, regarding the food. I think it's interesting that they probably eat better than most Americans outside of prison because everything's grown on the farm. It's not a bunch of highly processed slop. It's not, again, not to try and buy too heavily into the propaganda, but I mean, like, you can just look at it. Look at it. You can see the farm animals. You can see the, you can see the vegetables. It's like, and it's all in-house. It's not just a bunch of carted in, highly processed garbage. So you wonder if that's, You have to think that that's going to have a positive impact on their outlook and on their their hopefulness, their progress, their personal and mental, physical and spiritual progress, just because they're eating better food. And also, one thing I want to point out in case the audience is unaware, like prisons are tremendously profit generating for a lot of outside contractors.

And that's why they want people in them. That's why they want to fill them because they make tons of money off of it. You ask somebody how much it costs to mail a letter outside of prison, how much they get charged for an envelope, how much they get charged for paper. They don't want prisons but making their own stuff, making their own uniforms, making their own food. Because that's tons and tons of money to contractors to sell very low quality goods at very high prices. Yep. And one of the biggest unions in the state of California is the correction officers union. So we have that vector.

But just to speak to the clothes thing real quick, E. Michael Jones talked about this recently. Every nation that industrialized did so by first making their own clothes because everyone needs clothes. And they're relatively simple. So just like NAFTA destroyed the Wahawken farmers, right? Their corn couldn't compete with Iowa. corn. A lot of these South and Central American nations

can't industrialize because they can't complete with, you know, the millions of T-shirts that were going to the, you know, last year's Super Bowl loser that, you know, they print up, you know, 100,000, you know, chiefs versus 100,000 Eagles. And, you know, all the, you know, chiefs Super Bowl champions of this past year,

T-shirts get sold or given to people in Africa and Central America. So not only are these guys learning useful trade, but they're actually helping industrialize their own country. You got anything, Jose? One point

D.E. raised about the NGOs reminded me as well in respect to, I think, Japan's prison system, which is actually really similar. to the solid

old round model which is heavily focused on work in fact apart from like the time

served if I am not mistaken that you have to serve in the Japanese prison system

you are expected to pay off like a certain monetary debt and to do so you actually

have to get a type of skill in there and a lot of these NGOs

really do hate the idea of like hard labor they prefer the status quo model or at least like even something that turns prison system into just like some leisurely lounge to just encourage people almost to get in the prison and it creates the cycle of like rent-seeking groups that profit off of this while the criminals that get out there they're allowed to just continue to wreak havoc and in effect create this society-wide strategy of tension

And it is, in my opinion, pretty insidious the way the current system is designed. And that's why any type of country, whether it's El Salvador or some East Asian disciplinarian, like East Asian country that tries to break free from the model, it gets demonized because it is a threat to the present system. All right. I'm going to restart this and keep it going because there's some more really good stuff in here. A machine, to produce a, produce a And what will these clothes be used for?

We're We've worked totally for the brandies for the government. We've produced also a uniform of the force Armada,

of the agent's penitentiaries. So, all the ram in what has to have to be, we're doing the project

of the uniforms of for all the schools of the country, of the country. But we have the capacity

as well, we can't compete with any industry out of the So how many clothes the day

are you guys are you guys are you are making? Approximately we're taking to 6,000 8,000

So you're saying essentially here with all the workforce you guys have here, you guys are going to compete with anybody outside of El Salvador? Yeah, the area textile that has taken the capacity right for 2,100 people for 3 turns of 8 hours every turn. So we're in total 6,300 people who are just listening, 2,100 people working at the same time working 3, 8 hours shifts a day. So basically they have 6,300 people and working every day, working eight-hour shifts, making clothes for the country. I mean, could you imagine that efficiency here?

I can imagine it. We're not working in this place, 24 hours of day. And, yeah, we've got to have produced totally strong, like to say that if we have the capacity to compete with a company so every single day 24-7 there are 2,000 people that are working on clothes here inside of this factory. 24-7, we're working the government

official shirts here inside here. Like I'm saying, they can compete with anybody from outside here. This is helping us out or saves thousands upon thousands, potentially millions of dollars as these prisoners are being put to use versus them just spending time inside the prison cell. And how much longer do you have in your sentence? In my party, I've got four years, it's just a little, so it's eight years

of pen to the car. And if you guys don't mind me asking, what kind of crime you guys commit to get inside of the prison. And do you say, robu? Kere that your time here is justiriccated? The fact that you guys have made here inside of this factory. Here we have all the shirts. And these shirts, they are the same shirt that these people are also wearing as well. So by doing this, El Salvador helps cut down the cost of stuff.

They usually have to export outside of the prison system and said they have brought it into the prison systems. Making taxpayers here in El Salvador not have to pay for the clothes of the prisoners. And all of these prisoners, every single day they work here inside this factory, two days is taken off of their sentence. So that means if they're supposed to serve four years, they can technically serve only two years if they work inside this factory every single day,

helping reduce the time of these people's sentences and also helping build up the country as well. And so right now there are 2,000 people. However, they have three shifts of 2,000 people. So 24-7, this factory is running each and every single day with over 6,000 prisoners working inside of this factory. Over here, they're making the clothes, and then right here, they're building a different set of clothes as well.

So they can do hospital, schools, the prison clothes themselves here inside this factory, And it is absolutely massive here. Over 2,000 people, and each person is working hard. You do not see any cell phones in here. In fact, the cell service here is completely blocked. And these prisoners have no access to the outside world as far as internet goes. If you are on a shift for eight hours and the next shift comes in 24-7, this place is operating.

I have never seen anything like this. And it's actually pretty insane to think that here in El Salvador, they're now using the prisoners to help rebuild the economy, expedite things. So this way they don't have to be importing clothes from a country like China or the United States. Instead, they can be doing it right here in-house inside El Salvador using. the prisoners essentially for free labor here, as they are then given two days off of their prison sentence, what price would you put on your life for an extra free two days of liberty? Imagine your sentence for 10 years, and by working in here, you can then reduce your sentence such as five years to be with your loved ones once again, and you learn a new skill as well.

We're going to another location here inside this prison to where they make all of the desks for the schools here. Those carceles always were like very grandes, or... No, this is part of the new system implemented by the president of Najibukel. Today is a complex, this is a complex industrial. What are they building right here? What are they building right here? And how long have you been working in here for?

Four years. What kind of crime did you commit to get sent here? I have rubber, simple robbery. And how many years did you get? I have eight years. What do you hope to do once you finish your time here inside this prison? I want to study and in the university. These are all the desks they're currently building for the schools here.

Every single day, they build a thousand desks. And then these are the finished products right here. They even have really nice chairs as well. And then here is the finished product of the school desk that they build for each school here in El Salvador. They're building over a thousand a day. Are you ever worried that you're going to make too many desks? that you're not going to have classrooms to fill them with? Yeah, it's honestly quite amazed at what I'm seeing right now.

And the schools have to pay for a month or other? No. All right. All is gratuit for the government of the president. After spending time inside of the factories, it was time to go outside and understand why they call this place La Granha, the farm. I am honestly quite amazed at what I'm seeing right now. They even have their own farms, even with their own lake out here. Do you have pescada here?

And how many pesos there? For cada, per seattle, we're around the $5,000 to $10,000. Now he's going to throw the net out, we're going to catch some fish. Listo, vamos! boom let's catch some fish here we go holy cow we caught a lot of fish one two three four five six seven eight nine ten we just got ten fish here inside this little lake inside this little reservoir here i am beyond amazed at what i'm seeing here in el salvador between the factory they just made to the fish here and the reservoirs that they have created out here as well and then behind us we also

have the field where they have all the vegetables and all the other food now these are the bigger fish here they put inside of these pools right here oh oh my word look at these ones holy no way they say Look at this fish that they're grown here inside. This fish is ginormous. Hello, my God. You like, Naib? You say, you say, yes. Here at this prison, you guys have literally everything from people that know how to bake,

people that know how to sew, and people that know how to fish here. It has all. Next to the reservoir, they also have a cornfield. And what do you guys use the corn for? For us to alimentary the vackas that we have here. We've now made it to the farming section here in the prison. We've got a bunch of cows behind us. How many cows do you guys have here?

About 70 Vakas. And you themselves are not a leech here? It's correct. There's a

process of ordean that's during the morning and during the time. And were you

a farmer before you got here? You were a grand hero before that came here? Before

to come to come to my hospital veterinarian. And how much more time do you have?

Four years. No way. Look at all these cows they have here inside this prison. They're all

just munching. When you committed your crime and you're taking a jail did you ever expect your life

to be like this inside of a prison? The truth, no, because it's very different to be in the different types of prisons that are here in El Salvador. For example, this is a center industrial. Here, there are much work to do things to do this.

In case, before you can come in here where you receive the programs, it's a prison conventional. As, as well, as you see, in the film, the rejas, the camarotes, is different. So, never thought, I never thought,

that in prison you could do this. It's very impressive if you guys are able to do this. Do you think other countries across the world are starting to follow, the example,

that El Salvador and that you can't have set? Sure that is an example for that's just a point that the people, independently, the error that have committed to come to come here, can't redeeming us and serve a society to come here.

I've got a play. And do you believe that's just a voice? The fact is my point of view. They're going to show us how they melt the cows here as well. I've never milked the cow before, so we're going to give a little yanko. You can't see the state of the privates.

They're being, they're saying, they're We've seen as well, and he's just oprimed. Nobody's deprimed. There's no fat inmates as well, and nobody's got to say, Oh, and look, there's a machete just here on the ground. Wow. Wow.

We just found a machete on the ground. He says they don't even worry because they have so much trust in the inmates. And these are even numbered to the inmates as well. Now I think I'm about to ride a horse. Never ridden a horse in my entire life. And we're doing it here with some inmates here in El Salvador. Here we go.

Okay. Okay. First time, not good. First time not good. We're going to do that again. Take two. Oh, here we go. That's pretty much it.

The rest of this is him just enjoying the animals. So, yeah, go ahead, discuss. I mean, here's something I'll throw out there. I think Naibu Kelly is a very intelligent man. And I think there are a lot of very intelligent people in El Salvador. I also don't think that anyone just inside of El Salvador is responsible for planning all of this. So I'm wondering who may have been in on this because I think they had help in their design.

Maybe I'm wrong. I think it's perfect. I don't know who were. Go ahead, Dee. Well, as we've seen, right, there's a global left network that the USAAD stuff has just, sort of, sort of top surface talked about. And in fact, you know, one of the things I've complained about the most and on this show and others is, is the fact that we don't have such a network.

But winners went. And one of the things that somebody, you know, Victor Orban is trying to set up this sort of network. I think he's, he's probably got some of the wrong people, you know, the Danube Institute or whatever. But they're at least trying. and I think Neebkele is smarter to know that he's not the only one with good ideas and that he probably brought in other people with good ideas.

You know, that's not out of the realm of possibility. He's obviously a very cany politician, just the story of how he got elected mayor and then how he was like the president proved that he's a smooth and shrewd political operator. Why is it impossible to think that he has a rolladacks of people who aren't, you know, civilization.

hostile. Like, of course he probably did. No one can know everything. So why wouldn't he? Well, my, I guess one of the things when I see something like this, I think is, um, is this a test for other places? Is it like, okay, how is this going to work? And are we going to see this multiply? And as well as this is running, really the only thing that you can see holding it back from, you know, happening in other countries and being adopted even here by our individual states or counties or cities is that entrenched bureaucracy and that entrenched, you know, corruption. And, I mean, I don't know if there's, I'm assuming, I have to assume just because of human nature that somebody is profiting from what's happening there, but also if things can

run like that there and some kind of graft is happening, it's still a better model for than what most countries are doing right now. Yeah, I think to kind of combine the two points, I think you're both right. I think somebody has their hand in it, Pete, and I also think D's right in that Naib has, as a roll of the guys, no stuff. I would not be surprised, and obviously I couldn't speak with any certainty, but I would not be even slightly surprised to learn that Naïbe Buceli and his in his Rolodex had a bunch of guys that have been trying to push this plan for 25 years, 30 years, minimum 15 years.

It's too well thought out to be recent. It's probably been been checked and rechecked and triple checked and quadruple checked. So I have a feeling that this is a model that some company, some organization somewhere, has been shopping around in America and Europe and all over the world for more than a decade. I'd be willing to bet. I bet a kidney on that, in fact. And it just so happens that they finally found a winner in Buckele who said, you know what i got to do something with these people and your plan's the best one i've seen so

far you get the contract and it just so happens that i guarantee you because remember just because i mean i guarantee let's not fall into cynicism let's not fall into cynicism people can still make money and do good for humanity you can do both you can make a doctor's salary and actually care about your patience. So, yeah, I absolutely believe somebody's been shopping this around in hopes to make millions of dollars on a government contract. Does that automatically make them scammers or corrupt? No, not at all.

It doesn't, no, you can earn your paycheck, honestly. Go ahead, Dee. I guarantee you someone in Bucheli's government got him a copy of France List. Guaranteed. Because what do you do when you're a poor country? You do as much autarky as you can. You don't have the resources to spend money outside. Like for a long time, El Salvador's biggest export was El Salvadorance.

And that's never, you can't get rich that way. You can't get prosperous that way. You can't build a decent, stable country when you export all your young men. You know, there are entire villages in Mexico that have moved to the United States. Like, how is that good for Mexico? You can say cynically, like they're exploiting their, you know, their stupid population or their surplus population or whatever. But over the long term, you know, that's not a, to the extent that they do anything good, they're going to be doing it for somebody else in another country. That's not good for Mexico or anywhere else.

So look at all that autarchy, right? Instead of having to, you know, go to a factory somewhere else. and import school desks from Mexico or the United States or Argentina or wherever, they're building them there. And now there's people who have, you know, skills and fabrication that they can take to the outside world. And they have, you know, the children of El Salvador have functional schools with the stuff that they need to study and improve.

So someone put some Frederick List in his hand and you know you've talked to Mike Maxwell before Pete everyone should go check on Imperial Press and pick up you know

several of their books because that that's where you know all the real ideas are on our side of the fence all the good ideas on our side of the fence and this proves it right

you know there's been a lot of criticism of Trump justifiably I think in our sphere and I'm not going to defend the guy for not having you know for being

stymied and checkmated at every turn or not pushing as hard on things as he should have but I think that something that does need to be said is all of his ideas and the things he says he wants to do that the American people are saying that they want.

They want the mass deportations. They want the gangsters are in jail. They want the government waste cut. They want, you know, the illegals off the welfare rules. They want, you know, the Department of Education shut down, right? All of those things. The ideas are fantastic. It's the execution where Trump, I think, is falling down.

And they're all what are people, are people were the ones talking about these ideas is 5, 10, 15 years ago. And now they're mainstream. And I think that's a very big deal. Jose, why don't you jump in and talk about how are economic libertarian priors butt up so hard against this? Well, one thing I like about the El Salvadorian case is that it kind of goes beyond like higher discussions of reducing everything to whether.

whether if it's like humane for the individual or um just anything that's centered around the individual but rather like it it asks like the tough question like how do we do with a bunch of criminals and other malcontents in society and put them to service to the state like obviously they're not going to rehabilitate all of these people but at least with these programs in El Salvador, they will at least put them to work towards something bigger that the state and

broader society can benefit from. That's something that you'll just never hear in the really, like, neoliberal dominated West where things are just centered around growing the GDP or satisfying individual demand. There's no real

discussion about whether it benefits society and, like, austerity in the long term. Yeah, I think, like, as well, this is a clear dunk on Kubelli is a clear dunk also on libertarians and especially the NGO space, because I actually have some experience over a decade ago working with a good deal of libertarians that were working in Latin America. And fast forward to the present, I see a lot of these people, same people, still libertarian and still trashing Buceli because of the simple fact that he is using top-down state action

to affect positive societal change. And it completely goes against many of these people's assumptions about how you can make things happen. And to touch on the point about whether Buckelly learned these ideas from other people, if he was getting advice, I think this highlights the importance for people that are getting into politics. that it's all about building not only like human-to-human relations, but even more complex networks to be able to affect political change. Because no man is an island in this game. So you have to not only be able to interact with people,

but build actual structures that go beyond election cycles that you can pass on to future generations. And it's why I also don't quit when it comes to writing content. And I tell other people who have like bold ideas for fixing society to continue to do this because who knows with that blog post that you made a few years ago could serve as a template for some reformer down the line. and Latin America is actually in many ways a really good petri dish for all of these ideas, because unlike the West, which has very well entrenched deep states and permanent bureaucracies, a lot of Latin American countries are still very not stuck in rudimentary phases of their state development. So sometimes it's a matter of having the right person with the right advisors and network giving them support to implement drastic changes. So that's one thing some people can learn from this example. Well, I think another thing is that if you talk about how, you know, El Salvador is basically what their main export has been for a long time is El Salvadorans and how the way they're setting up this economy is helping to rebuild.

Well, I mean, what's been our main import for the last 20 years? it's been people from other countries. And what has been our main export? Mesquises from Central America. That's been our main import. Yeah. Yeah. And what's been our main export?

I mean, does anybody, can anybody really answer that? What our main export has been in the last 20 years? Intellectuality. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this is not only a model for, a country of 6.6 million in the middle of Central America. This is a model for the way we have to approach this.

We have to start building our own things again. We have to, we need to start building our desks. We need to start building, you know, if I look around, you know, at the things in the room or on my desk in front of me, you know, I question whether I know one of these is made in Australia. I don't know where the hell the computer was made and everything, but I would assume half of stuff here is made in China. Right. And China has a place called Sox City where they just make the socks for the world. They just make socks. What is stopping us from doing this? And really, think about

this. What is stopping us from if you want to start manufacturing these small little things that everyone uses, that every school uses, that every office building uses, that every government a building uses it. We have, how many prisons do we have and how many prisoners do we have right now? The largest population in the world, millions of people. Yeah. I mean, you have a workforce right here. And if you're, if we're at the point where it's like we may need to start arresting judges and shipping them to El Salvador,

let's start doing things that are going to be. piss off the same people who are pissed off about, you know, when we, I heard one of these fucking women on TV the other day who was like, who was basically said that Trump was not allowed to do something because a circuit court judge, it had to go through a circuit court judge first. Are you fucking kidding me? Cry-tarkey in action. I mean, it is basically, I mean, we're.

Back to the fucking Longhouse. No, fuck you. Put these fucking prisoners to work. Make them build shit. Build the fucking factories. I know a lot of that was in Spanish, so people who were just listening to this aren't here. But what they said at one point was these factories didn't exist where all this stuff these prisoners are doing. These buildings didn't exist before Buckelly.

He's built these. Yeah. and this is one of those things like you can just do things a prison that holds yeah yes 25,000 people 25,000 people was it that's a small town he built a he built a prison that holds a small town and all of these factories and all of these farms yeah he says in what to reach up to your point yeah he says he says it's not even a prison his exact words are it's an industrial complex and And he's right. That speaks to your point. That's, that's its own little civilization, which is what they're doing with these people. And I think that can't be overlooked. They're civilizing most of

these people. That's the point. Again, I don't want to get mired in the weeds. They're civilizing these people. That should be the goal. Again, the goal is, yes, we should make things. I'm not saying we shouldn't. But the goal is to civilize people and to get them to be productive so that they can make things. So they can, as to address your point earlier, Jose, they can do things for posterity. They can build the strength for today and tomorrow. Go ahead, Dee. Can you imagine an American prison where there's just a machete lying around and then someone who picks it up doesn't immediately get shot? No. I mean, this was a full on like machete it was probably 20 inches long steel like like you could

a dangerous weapon in any kind of hands like you know and justifiably right like any you know if you don't think it's an incredibly dangerous weapon like you've never seen what what kind of reach like an end weapon can give somebody um extremely dangerous in in the wrong hands. But they have said, like, no, we're, we're going to make people better, you know. People were on drugs. People were robbing people. You know, they take all the hardcore criminals and send them to that one prison.

But then they take everyone else who's just, you know, a person in a bad situation. And they say, all right, well, you've got a chance. Well, and if they make a mistake and they put somebody who belongs in the hardcore prison, forever and they put that person in the workers prison and they don't work out, you take them out and you put them in the hardcore prison. It's also a filtering mechanism. Okay. So we watch thousands of people in this video. They even say in that context, they say this area of the complex is our most trustworthy

prisoners where they had the machete. And I would wager that Pete, you're 100% correct. And they got there because they demonstrated their trustworthies. another thing I want to bring up that I think is crucial to point out is it goes back to it it basically proves what I had said earlier in the program you're giving these people hope with this program you're giving them something to do and I'll just raise two points and I'll see the floor very quickly the first is if you notice they said we're taking time off your sentence if you work so not only are they are they keeping busy they are actually helping themselves as well there is a

healthy amount of self-interest in there, which is good. Self-interest isn't inherently evil. So that's a positive right there. And the other thing that I think is really important to note is what were the crimes of most of the people in the higher trust area? Robbery, drugs. It wasn't rape. It wasn't murder. It wasn't even a lot of the other things. It was like you said, like we talked about earlier, that segment of the population where, hey, I grew up in an incredible incredibly dysfunctional community, whether it be family or just the town. And this is just what we did to survive. But now that somebody has shown me, there is another way to survive that is pro-social. I'll do it. And now I'm reaping the benefits of it. So I'll see the floor now.

I just wanted to mention those two points. I just have one point about the dog that didn't bark. Do you guys notice one thing that was totally absent? Women? And the hundreds and hundreds of prisoners we saw. Well, women, women, first of all. Secondly, you've seen lots of pictures of El Salvador in prisons. What was completely absent? I didn't see a single guy with a face tattoo.

Oh, yeah. Not one. Hundreds and hundreds of people we saw in this video. Now, some of them might have been repeats or whatever, but hundreds of people. and not a one with gang tattoos. Not a one. So that's, you know, I mean, Charles has made this point and I've made this point before. But like, if in America that, you know, Charles is always talking about the PRIDA principle and I firmly agree with him, like, you could just take, like, go to Los Angeles, any dude wearing red, any dude wearing blue in a certain neighborhood, just grab them and.

throw him in prison. Why? Because he's a member of the bloods. He's a member of the Crips. You know, if he's, if he's wearing certain things, right? He's, he's, if he's got the Latin King's tattoo of the, the crown on his chest, just throw him in prison. You know, you can just do things. And one of the things that Pete talked about is this, this federal judge. How many of these federal judges are actually Americans? I think, I think one of them was like a Asian lesbian immigrant or something, right?

Yeah, you have Canadians. You have, yeah, I mean, Asian people are going to fucking born here. Right. And so, right, they, they have ascended to the highest place they can, in the worst place they can, right? Why are, why are these people given places in American law schools to the point where they could become federal judges? Why?

you know and I'm going to steal Charles's line um you don't have female judges because then you're literally enthrining the opinion of a woman into law and as Amy Coney Barrett has shown it's just a bad idea right I don't regard I don't regard any any any decision by the Supreme court where um Ketanji Brown Jackson is in the majority as valid because I don't think any of her decisions are valid. I don't think any decisions where some of the signing one of the decision is deciding vote are valid because I don't think any of your decisions are valid. Like you can say, but that's the

rules. Like, I don't, I reject your premise entirely. I don't think that Jews or women or you know, like any of these people have any right to tell me what the law is because their interest in mind and the interest of a stable civilization that works are completely

at odds. And, you know, whether, you know, there was shadowy NGO funding to make El Salvador a horrible place or shadowy NGO funding to make El Salvador a functional place, it doesn't really matter. What matters is that all across the world right now, you know, we're tittering the brink of recession probably if you use, you know, shadow stats numbers, we're probably in one. there's a huge government debts all over the place Europe's bankrupt doesn't really doesn't really have a military

there's the wars in the Middle East and the war in Armenia and the war in Ukraine and you know the immigration problems here the government debt problems here like the world

purposes of a system is what it does and the world system that we're under right now is leading to You know, mass bankruptcy all over the world and completely dysfunctional governments. So maybe we should change that so that it works. I don't know. Like, call me crazy. And if the Constitution, if Abraham Lincoln, who I'm no fan of, as all three you guys know, right, like I come from the anti-Lincoln school of libertarianism, he is right about, if the Constitution isn't a suicide pact, then these federal.

judges just have to go. Like, they just have to be told, be quiet. We don't have the money. We can't just print the money. You know, India and China is half the world's population put together. There's, Russia's got all the natural resources in the world. Bricks, if they stop trading in dollars, we're screwed. We can't just keep printing money.

We have to start actually living within our means in some sort of meaningful way. when you talk about when you talk about the you can just do things that that's that's been both a hopeful phrase and an infuriating phrase to me but i want to point i want to just touch on that very very briefly because to go back to your point earlier pete about mess around and find out i gave up swearing for lent so so it's going to be mess around and find out uh that america has to take more of that attitude and i agree with you pete and i just want to say to point that out to make that readily apparent to listeners remember what really stopped the summer of love and the George Floyd riots. Remember what really stopped it? Remember what really stopped that Soros-funded brick-throwing machine?

It was one guy with an AR-15. That's what stopped it. That's it. One guy. Because he shot two pet, three, well, what, two petterasts, three petterasts and killed them? Like, killed two of them? I mean, that's really what stopped it.

one guy because people messed around like one white beater and two chummos i think yeah i think it was one white beater and two chumos or something but the point i'm making is to pete's statement we have to we have to bring actual actual consequences to people legal consequences of course was self-defense he was acquitted you don't work but law enforcement shootings things like that but they have to return and if they do again i'll i'll be my usual white pill pushing self. I think you'll see a lot of things turn around. If people are allowed to start defending themselves again and dishing out consequences legally to people, I really think that things will turn around much faster than you would expect. And actually, to your point on that, Charles,

the thing that really needs to happen is the people that the prosecutor in the Daniel Penny case, they need to go to prison. Yes. For abuse. power. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. All those people need to be, the courts need to be clean, need to be wiped clean. There's, they cannot be, it can't be allowed to go on like this. I mean, if the president has, if all power is in the executive, he has to be able to clean that out. And even if, and even if everyone stands up and says, no, you still have to be able to to stand up and clean that out. It just we're, I mean, it's a friggin, we're going off the cliff.

Yeah, not only, so I saw some of recently a bunch of people, supposed conservatives talking about how, you know, the president can't constrain money being spent by the other, like, don't tell me you care about the Constitution. Okay. It was recently, you know, March, it was March 22nd. So last week was the aides of March, March 15th, the date of the, date of the Constitution. assassination of Julius Caesar. Well, you know, when I was more conservative and less understanding the way power actually works,

I thought the Senate was like doing the right thing by often this dangerous dictator. Like, no, actually. Julius Caesar was trying to fix the dysfunctional system by cutting through the Gordian knot. And whether that's Naïbe Buckele or Victor Orban or whoever or Donald Trump, what you need is energy in the executive to actually. solve the problems. In the U.K. right now you have judges giving

rapists three-year sentences who, and then they'll give nationalists who put up flyers five-year sentences. Those judges need to be tossed out on their ear and then put in prison for abuse of power and destruction of their nation.

American judges who give no you know, light sentences to criminals and then throw Americans and gulags for January 6th, they need to go to prison. Non-American judges who are immigrants who come here, you know, who are sexual perverts who are just against Donald Trump because he's a straight heterosexual white American and they're

not. They need to go to prison. And this whole rule of law nonsense, like, don't tell me about the rule of law. I remember 2020, you want to be unemployed, you want to be out of a job, you want to me out of my house. You wanted my kids turned against me. You wanted to forcibly vaccinate my children. You wanted to outlaw homeschooling. You wanted to outlaw private schools. And now you want to talk about the rules? You want to talk about the rules? Bro, you're the one who said jungle ball rules. I'm just the one saying, okay, that's the way you wanted to play.

Don't ever let a leftist Tommy Scum tell you about, well, the rules. they're the ones who let Negroes burn down half of America's major cities They're the reason You can't go in downtown of any American city And not step on human feces and needles Don't tell me about rules Why are you quoting laws to me

I have swords Rules Rules are for games between people who agree to play a game. Charles and I can sit down and have a game of chess. There are rules in chess. I can't just suck Charles in the mouth when he takes my queen because it annoys me.

Okay. But when you say, all right, let's sit down to have a game of chess. And then, oh, every time I take one of your pawns, I get to kill one of your kids. Oh, that's not a game anymore. I get to impoverish you. like no that's not how this works

you don't get to destroy my country because you're a resentful you know small sold non-American I'm sorry you suck and you're probably the place you come from sucks and your people have a low genetic capability and mine don't

sorry I'm part Canadian so I can't help it but like that's not the way these things go you can't weaponize the law against people for years and years and years and years at a time and then and then be like oh the law is being violated Charles can't swear so I but I can't go fuck yourself thank you thank you Dee Jose got anything

well one thing that stuck out to me that Charles mentioned just how ridiculous the logic of forced integration has permeated

to every facet of American society like look at the prison system I like the fact that in contrast to the US model the Salvadorian model does make a difference

between having like separating the clearer clear cases of people that cannot be reformed, like these gangbangers and from like the other common criminals who, yeah, maybe some of them won't be reformed, but at least you can like put the rest that can be reformed to use for state purposes, for societal purposes. Because the way I see crime, it is ultimately a societal issue. It's a societal failure in many ways, and not just like a question of like an individual messing up because this individual's

fuck-ups is like a negative externality for the rest of society so the state does have to take it upon itself to find ways especially now creative ways to solve this issue and I think there is a lack of political imagination with a lot of people across the political aisle because of the fact that their ideologies are informed by very individualistic priors and they don't really like taking collective action because all these measures that El Salvador is doing, even at the microcosmic level, there are forms of microcollectivism that eventually sad bag into a cohesive national program. And I think with the case of El Salvador, it also shows that it's something that we can emulate

because as the maxim goes, big things sometimes come in small packages. In an El Salvador's case, it is a model to emulate. Well, I guess we'll wrap this up because getting into a new topic will take us into the late into the night. But it all comes back to what's been said a couple times here. You can just do things. And people with power can just do things. I mean, Buckeli showed that.

If you read any accounts of what he had to do to get elected and then what he had to do after he got elected just to be able to clean the country up, it's literally you can just do things. Because what he did was, well, I mean, kind of against their constitution. or whatever the kind of thing they have down there is. But desperate times, desperate measures.

And I'm not so much of, and this isn't me saying, first of all, I don't want people to think this is me saying Trump needs to be unleashed. I don't think Trump's the answer. I just don't. I think he's the path somewhere. And I think it's going to be more local if you ask me. personally what I think. But, yeah, the time for, oh, what does the law say, we really need to dig into these

law books and figure out if this is legal and maybe we need to run it by the courts, that time was gone 30 years ago. And the only person who is, the only person or persons who is going to be able to reverse and nullify everything that's happened is someone like Buckelly who's just like, I don't care what the law says. I don't care if this council, how long this council has been in charge. I'm bringing these soldiers in here with me and we're going to do what we do and we're going to turn this around because people can look at El Salvador and be like, well, they were

the murder capital of the world. now it's safer than Baltimore. Yeah, and now I literally felt safer walking around there. I wasn't looking behind me. Like I would be if I was in Baltimore or New York, even Austin, Texas. I wasn't looking behind me. I was like, wow, this is incredible. People are just going about their lives and they're not worried about it.

They're worried about one last thing, getting killed, getting roughed up, getting robbed. And if we're going to clean up what's happening here and especially get rid of the rot, fuck the law. Yeah, I give up something else for Lent and it wasn't cursing. Fuck the law. I mean, literally fuck the law. I don't care, you know, and I know people can, you know, we could go on a totally different tangent about, you know, Trump is, you know, it's just another fake gay Jew op and everything like that. This isn't about him.

This is about us. And it's not, I'm sorry, unless we get someone like Bukeli, it's not going to be changed on the national level. And I don't even know that it can be changed on the national level with as big as we are. and as multicultural as we are and multiracial as we are when you have 350 closing and I'm probably on 400 million people now. So it's got to be something else

and it's not going to look like what you're, you know, what the typical boomer con wants. I'm sorry. It's going to be something else. Anybody can riff off of that? Well, I'd love to for just a second. So the average boomer con is still caring about liberty and liberty within what.

And there's been an interesting discussion. I don't want to take either side between Joel Davis and Keith Woods about a certain mustache man. And then necessity of either embracing or rejecting that mustache man. But I do want to bring something up that I've talked about before. And that is that Naibu Kelly is being called, you know, a national socialist except on the pejorative term. and he's being called a dictator and he's being called a fascist. And in a very real sense, you know, what Thomas says is true, right? After 1945, it became illegal to be effective, or became legally right wing.

And any kind of effective governance at all, whether it's just like not paying people who shouldn't be paid or throwing criminals in jail or enforcing the border or anything is going to be. we call it fascism. And you just have to step over that and say, yeah, and so what? Because there's no society today anywhere in the world, especially white countries, where ethnic incoherence and massive structural economic problems and crime isn't a problem. Or intimately a problem. Like you can say, well, Poland is safe.

They don't have a crime. Like, yeah, but how hard, how quickly could a bunch of Muslims come from Germany into Poland and just start wrecking stuff? Like, pretty easily. There's nowhere in the world where you can just be isolated from major problems. You can't run away from it anymore. You know, jet planes can, can, and people, the parasites will go from a, from a, you know, non-functioning place to a functional place and just show up anytime you see it you see it with all the people coming to germany all the people coming to different countries in

europe you see it with uh people leaving leaving california right like there are people who just want to live someplace nice and it doesn't matter to them what their choices are that that might have gotten them in the place that that it is that way they just want to live someplace nice you see it all over Montana you see it all over Idaho you see it all over Washington you see it all over Tennessee

people coming down from Michigan people coming down from other states in the northeast so instead of arguing about how you you're not really a fascist because you disagree with you know this this

point seven of Mussolini's You know, points or whatever, right? We can have that discussion amongst ourselves about Mosley and Franco and Mussolini and Moustache man, Salazar, whatever. Like, that's a discussion for serious people to have at a later date to, like, thrash out whatever differences we might have between various different flavors of right-wing authoritarian regimes. it doesn't matter right now this very second what the people who are against Buckele or who are trying to stop whatever measures

Donald Trump is trying to do you just have to step over those people because they want the system not to work they want your children to be broke they want them to grow up in a non-functioning society with no public schools they want them to not have parks and not have safe places to be

they want your wife sexually harassed and her way in and out of the grocery store they want you to have to pack heat everywhere you go just so you can get in and out of your truck and okay if that's the way we have to play I guess I'll do it but I don't I don't want I don't mind playing by those rules but there are people who aren't cut out for it and they shouldn't have to you want to say anything to close out Charles I think we're at that stage yeah sure just a couple minor points thank you Pete one I want to just touch back on something Jose had said a while back in the in the broadcast when he had said earlier about how keep posting

the blog post or whatever, keep putting new ideas out there. I want to dovetail that with Dee's point about our side is the only side that has anything good and has had anything good for quite a while. I won't say forever because I do think the left had some good ideas somewhere in the past, but for now and for the recent past, it hasn't had anything for quite some time. So always put your ideas out there. You never know who's going to pick them up. up and how far they're going to run with them. And although he was not a political figure, the author H.P. Lovecraft died so poor as to be reusing race safety razors to shave. He died with a few sticks of furniture and nothing to show for all of his efforts. If, however, he were still

alive today and had the copyrights to all of his work, he'd be a billionaire. But you never know what's going, what you're going to put out there in the world and you never know how long it's going to take other people to catch on to it. And you never know how far it's going to be taken or how many people are going to grab hold of it and love it and cherish it and value it. So never, ever stop doing something. And lastly, I'll close with this. There was somebody that said to you, Pete, in a comment on Twitter, oh, I didn't realize. Charles had said everything all the time first always. It was kind of snarky, but I laughed it off and I got to say, like, the reason I laughed

and I kind of appreciate it. And in a way, I actually took it as a backhanded compliment because I've been doing stuff like this for 30, 35 years, I'm in person at college, all sorts of things. I've tried everything from screenwriting to guitar playing to stand-up comedy. I've done a lot of stuff. So all this is to say, not talk myself up. but it's just to say this, guys, you can just do things. And the reason that phrase maddens me is, you always could.

You always could. If you want to do something, go do it. Ask people. I'm not calling you to break the law or do you hurt people, but what I am calling you to do is summon that masculine bravery. Just do it. And you know what? Somebody wants you to stop.

Make them tell you. And I'll close with this last moment, this last point, one factor has guided my life, and I have never regretted this. If only one thing, I've never regretted living by this. It is better to beg forgiveness than to ask permission. God bless everybody and Pete. Once again, thank you for having me on your program. Of course.

Jose, want to close out saying anything and do plugs, whatever? Yes. One thing I've stressed that we are in, we need to go in reconquista mode in the sense that perhaps a good deal, the changes that we envision for society are not going to happen in our lifetime or in honestly many lifetimes, possibly centuries from now. But it's still worth fighting because I want to be on by deathbed knowing that I put in 100% of my effort towards. making the polity I live in a better place and knowing that my, the knowledge I accumulated and the experiences I've accumulated as well. I've been passed on the future generations to continue that same fight. And I think people need to have that in mind because our society has programmed us to go for instant gratification and instant results. And oftentimes, that is a siren song for all sorts of other problems. but yeah if you want to continue follow my content i'm on substack jose nino unfiltered at josbcf

substack.com and then i'm also on x slash twitter at hose al nino do you do your plugs in if you want to if you had a last comment or something like that um not um fundamental principle on substack and uh telegram i just want to say thanks to you pete for having me on uh Folks, by Charles's books. Jose was kind enough to have me on his show a couple weeks back. You know, go to Freemannly Beyond the Wall slash support. If you're kind of to, if you feel compelled, you can donate to me on Gumroad and a few other places. But, you know, support the people that are doing this full time, like Jose, like Pete,

because you're not going to hear a conversation like this anywhere else. And I truly believe as small as this is, these efforts are building an avalanche all over the world. And it's an honor to be part of it. And so thank you for having me be. Of course. And thank all of you. Thank all of you for taking time to come and talk to me basically about my vacation,

which I think before I even went on it, I think we said we would postpone any kind of episode until after. because we knew that it would be the kind of conversation like we just had. And I'm glad we did. So thank you. And until the next time. Thank you, gentlemen. And we're back.

Dee, how are you doing? Doing great, Pete. Thanks for having me. It seems like we just talked the other day. Jose, how are you? I'm doing well. Charles? Very well.

Thank you, Pete. Very well. So, I mean, I really don't know where to jump in here because there's so much going on. But does anybody, do we want to get a discussion going as to what we think is happening? I think Jose may call it K-Fabe, just knowing Jose, where it looks like Israel is, Netanyahu is on the outs with Trump. anybody Jose why don't you field that one well I hope and pray it's true

I mean I hope and pray it's true but I would Jose would know more than me so um so my impression is that I I just think that the U.S. is so oversaw

overstretched now that yeah there's like an element of kfeb where I don't think there's been like a rupture in relations because I think the U.S. Israel relationship it goes beyond like the feelings of like the U.S. president

and like the Israeli prime minister it's very like structurally like built in and on whatever beef like Joe Biden has with Benjamin and Yahoo and then Donald Trump has. It ultimately it just turns out to be theater in the long term. I just think that now

with the whole Houthi conflict, like the U.S. just took like a big fat L with them with a bunch of just rag tag militia people like shutting down the Red Sea and launching pretty sophisticated missiles against

Israel seems that they're going through like a recalibrated approach where I think they're trying to trying to go on a charm offensive, like the U.S. is trying to go on a charm offensive with these Arab states, like these sellout Arab states from like the UAE, the Saudis, and try to mend these ties, and then try to reset like some type of conflict with Iran like six months or a year down the line. Because I just don't really think that there's much appetite amongst the American public to just fight like a war with Israel.

And that's why they're going to try to get creative by not just trying to build this whole Abraham Accords, which is basically a balancing coalition of like the Uncle Tom Arab states that will basically serve as cannon fodder for Israel along with the U.S. as well. But also I think too with that Witkoff character, that Jew that they're sending all over to like Russia and Iran. I think they're trying to get him to get Russia to abandon Iran as well to abandon that type of strategic partnership. And I think that's what's not really being discussed. But when it comes to this type of stuff dealing with organized jury, you often have to like read between the lines. Because I think that that's been part of a plan where the Trump strategy is to tap into the sellout Arab axis. and also woo the Russians over by making some concessions in Ukraine to get them to isolate Iran. And I also think they're doing this too with India, which has been a pretty strong partner of Iran.

They're really making overturers there, especially with the likes of like J.D. Vance. And yeah, there is definitely KFa, but it's also just like the reality of like the fact that like the Judeo-American empire has like reached like a breaking point both in terms of its foreign policy ventures and just the fact that like the country domestically is just increasingly becoming a mess and it's barely keeping the lights on let alone being able to project power against Iran, Russia and like China. It's just a disaster on all fronts. Well, I'll just make a quick comment and somebody else can jump in. I recorded what Stormy yesterday. That episode is coming out tomorrow and this is one of the things we talked about.

You know, I made the point. Trump could become virulently anti-Israel. But there's going to be another election. There's going to be another. Somebody else is going to be president one day. Somebody else is going to be sitting in the secretary of state chair. And if the deep state, you know, if these administrative types aren't cleaned out. What does it matter? Well, what is just a pause, basically? So, I mean, really,

I think you started off by saying that it's so deeply entrenched that it's really not going to go away. And yeah, how can it go away if we're going to have elections in the future? Yeah, that's actually a really good point because they could get, they, um, Israelis could just like waded out. And honestly, they could get really petty. I mean, people didn't forget this, uh, H.W. Bush, in some respects, got cooed by organized jewelry for the mere fact of just delaying a loan to Israel over some West Bank settlement stuff. He also, funny enough, when he knocked out Noriega, I think Noriega, one of his close confidants was a Mossade asset, Mike Hariri. mean just like the slightest like

kind of like offense is enough to piss off the Israelis because it's just such a petty people that if they don't get like enough military aid or enough of like their demands met like they treat it as like a betrayal so anything's possible but

um at this point um yeah there it seems to me that um the US like there is like a rational calculus being made that they just can't pursue this stuff at the moment, but who knows what could happen and what type of people will insert a year from now, especially with a lot of reshuffling of the national security state. But yeah, they could also just wait it out because that whole, there's a big continuity of agenda when it comes to the think tank

industrial complex and the permanent bureaucracy. And at the end of the day, when you have like a really like post-democratic state like the u.s elections almost don't matter and it's basically the people that write the policy papers and the people who are part of like the permanent bureaucracy that determine public policy so to give you an example of why the election i mean why trump tom tell us just torpedo trump's uh u.s attorney pick for dc so the most important arguably maybe either the most important or the second most important after Southern District of New York, right?

And like Tom Tillis and Lindsay Graham were going to be in the Senate until they die or they quit or they volunteer to quit. They're not going anywhere. And they're just not going to I mean, they're not going to be on the side of Donald Trump because they're military, industrial complex guys, their rabbi Zionists, whatever, pick, pick your thing,

but a huge, huge chunk of the, you know, GOP Senate or traders. Yeah, I think that we're, what we're seeing now is we, the only reason that anything like this would happen is a real realization that, one, the bad things that Jose had mentioned about everything happening at home and needed to concentrate on everything that's happening here. And two, I mean, there's obviously a pivot to China going on. And if you're going to have a pivot to China, you have to, that's going to take all of your resources. That's going to take all of your intelligence.

It's going to take, you need to have everything ready at a moment's notice. I mean, if the Houthis are, if Trump's willing, to deal with the Houthis and with Saudi Arabia without Israel being in charge. I mean, to me, it could be a big middle finger to Netanyahu because I'm sorry, I don't believe that Trump and Netanyahu are friends. I don't care how many chairs he pulls out for him. I think that they both do not like each other at all. And I think that's just about the best thing you can hope.

That doesn't mean that Trump doesn't like Israel. And then we know he does. And people say, oh, well, that means because he's one of the biggest Zionists in the world. Look, he married his daughters off to, or he's just a boomer. And that's what boomers do. And also he's worked in New York real estate long enough to know that, wow, there's this group of people in the world that are really, really powerful. And if I want to get some shit done in some places, I may have to be nice to them. You know, is that good for us?

Is it good for the country? No. But I mean, I guess from a real politics standpoint, it's kind of hard to ignore right now. I just think of my friend Tommy Simmons saying, you know, if you're going to clean, if this country is ever going to get cleaned up, you know, it's this group of people over here. They're going to be the final boss that we're going to have to deal with. Yeah, I think that's spot on. I think that's spot on.

I think you put it very eloquent. as far as, I don't care how many chairs he pulls out. I mean, he has to live in the world he's in. I think a lot of guys forget that that's, that's truism. You have to live in the world you're in. And these are people, as you said, that he's encountered throughout the last what, 40, 50, possibly 60 years of his life that he's just done business with at all levels for the greater part of his life. And it's not really any wonder that his family is married into them. Why wouldn't they? They're the people he encounters all the time. They're the people he golfs with. They're the people he eats with. They're the people he negotiates with.

That doesn't necessarily make them friends, but he obviously sees their value. Rightly or wrongly, I mean, I'm not in those situations. I don't travel those circles. But I think as you put it, I think you're correct in that this is the world he lives in. And he is, I think this is also something that's easy to forget because he is a very intelligent man. He is very, he's bombastic, but he's no fool. He's not stupid. And he also is very charismatic and he also has a way with people. But I think it's easy to forget that he, like all of us, are not exempt our zeitgeist, as I am fond of saying. No man is exempt as zeitgeist. He's still going to be a boomer. He's still going to do boomer things. And we have to understand that and accept it. So that

when we see certain things, we just have to take the winds where we get them. And I'm not saying we should beg for table scraps all the time either. Let's not, let's not take one extreme or the other. I'm merely trying to contextualize things in that he's doing what he can. And I do want to step back to something Jose had said. I really like two words that you chose Jose. I thought they were excellent choices. Recalibration and the charm offensive. I thought, I thought they were very good. I think they're really well done because I think a lot of what he's trying to do is whether overtly or covertly is circle the wagons. We have to understand that he inherited a tremendous mess. I mean, at catastrophic levels, look how bad it is that we can see it. Imagine how bad it really is.

I mean, all everybody here is very intelligent. I mean, if we can see the rot, what on earth do you think they're managing to hide from us. So I think a lot of this is him just trying. The U.S. Navy just lost a battle for the... Go ahead, Charles. Oh, I was just saying, I was just trying to say that I think the charm offensive is, as Jose Pope was very, very well stated. And I think the recalibration is also very important. And I think Pete's point is, this is real politic. This is what has to happen. Because he has, he has inherited, and absolute, if you'll forgive the phrase because it's tired and worn, but it is apt at this point. He has inherited an absolute dumpster fire. What's he supposed to do with it? I mean,

he doesn't even know what's in there that he has to put out. Is it a grease fire? Is it a fuel fire? What is it? What do I even use? So, I mean, he's just trying to keep it all under control the best he can. And frankly, everybody here knows that I'm not enamored of the man. But I do actually have to respect the fact that he has grabbed the bull by the horns and is keeping public confidence at a higher level than I would have ever imagined possible given what he inherited. By all means, Dee, please take where you want it to go. Well, just for Jose, if you mentioned it, but just as a how bad things really are, the U.S. Navy just lost a battle for the first time since 1941. the U.S. Navy was decisively defeated in the Red Sea by people with no Navy. Yeah, that's, that's exactly my point. Yes.

That's, yeah, that's exactly my point. Look at how bad is. Competit C crisis. Yes, right. And that's, that's the point I'm trying, trying to draw to people. The irony, and basically I'll TLDR it right here, then I'll cede the floor. Like, everybody thinks that, Oh, I know how bad it is.

And it's like, no, you really don't. And I freely admit as informed as I am and as attentive as I am and as much of a natural investigator as I am, I freely admit, no, I probably have no idea how bad it really is. And not to be flippant, but the meme is is truer than I think even the people that bandied about realize. It's like, no, you, if only you knew how bad things really are. So continue, please. What I've come to realize is that a lot of people are, some people make the argument that, oh, it'd be better if, you know, you push Trump, you push to vote for Trump, sure, I thought there was a better chance of me not ending up dead with Trump in charge than Kamala in charge. I'm sorry. I just happened to study what they were planning on passing

and some of the things that they were doing. They were planning on doing. And I'm like, I think a lot of us aren't going to be able to survive that. So at least we have four years of, you know, probable, you know, breathing room to try to get things in place that we wouldn't have, we wouldn't have been able to do, you know, when she just completely cratered the economy. And I still think there is some economic hardship coming up.

But, I mean, I think that that's just, that was inevitable anyway. That was baked into the cake no matter what you do. But, you know, I still come back to a lot of this arguing over policy and arguing over, you know, how controlled this government is by Zionists. or controlled by anyone, everything it's doing, I still come back to the fact that there is going to be, my enemy is going to get elected and is going to be in charge. My enemy will control the House or the Senate or both and the White House

and in the future. and they're when I look at what when I look at some of the things they did from 2020 to 2024 to some people who would nominally be fellow travelers I think that if you're Trump's not going to destroy his enemies or destroy our enemies so we have a we have a road ahead of us that you know, arguing about a lot of policy and things like that is, you know, I think the policy you should be, people should be paying attention to at this point is monetary because that's something that you're going to want to figure out how to take advantage of because it may be the only thing that might be able to buy you out or, you know, the famous Greg Hood tweet

about, you know, just life in the United States being about making enough money to get away from the consequences as a Civil Rights Act while you're hiding about, while you're hiding your intentions of what you're doing. Yeah, if we're going to be a third world country, have the money to bribe yourself out of it. Yeah. So if we're, if our enemies are going to be in power again at some point, what do we do? And it's inevitable. I mean, no one can. Once you come to that realization, once you get the acceptance of that, you can go through the stages of grief, but then you'll get to the acceptance stage. And that's when you have to be like, okay, well, what are we going to do? Oldglaryclub.com, I think, is the proper website. And it doesn't, even if it, even if Donald Trump was like the president of our dreams, right?

You know, he just said Article 2 and, like, went ham and made Mussolini after the march on Rome look like a piker, right? There's still a population of, what, 30 million Africans in the United States, probably equal number of absolute rabid shitlibs. You know, that's like a really big country. That's like Iran. We have an Iran-sized population of people that are irredeemably hostile to us no matter what. You're going to have to learn to live with that or deal with that or just find a way to live so that these people can't destroy you. I don't know what else to tell people. Right.

Like even if, you know, Greg Abbott suddenly found the spine within himself to stand up for Texas and like ban. that monkey statue and start, you know, punishing people for fraud and getting rid of all the, you know, massive subsidies to H-1Bs and all of that, right? And militarize the border and put the Texas National Guard on the border and, you know, all the state governors and all of our good states, you know, got serious. there's still Gavin Newsom is nothing is going to make Gavin Newsom not hate he will hate you till the day he dies so how do you deal with that?

Because he has power. Yeah, I mean, what is liberalism, you know, get you? I mean, this is all about liberalism. So if you still have it in your mind of, oh, I'm an individual and, you know, individual rights is what's most important. You know, people think that, like, you know, in Germany, they didn't have individual rights

because, you know, it was, the state was controlled. Well, why was the state controlling things? Because if the state didn't control things, there was a certain group that had basically destroyed everything. But, you know, even people like Carl Benjamin, Sargonavacod, he's saying now, liberalism can only destroy as it is an entire doctrine, which you're revolves around breaking human relationships. What are we doing here, man?

There's nothing to build out of. You have to accept power as a natural thing. Humans wield as social animals. And therefore, we have to do something at some point. And there's this guy, we'll call Distance, who he retweets and goes, this is just wrong. Liberalism is not about breaking human relationships. It's just silly. One reason this is all going nowhere is that people talk past each.

other or play hide the ball with their end goals and so nothing ever gets discussed properly and my comment to that was quote dialogue with people who want you dead will solve everything what what are we doing here I mean if you yeah it's time to tribe up but you can't tribe up with people like this you can't tribe up with people needs to do is have a conversation with the person who all you need to do is have a conversation with those anarchists in the Spanish Civil War. If those priests

had just explained to these anarchists and these communists that, you know, hey, you know, we're nonviolent. We're not going to hurt you. Oh, they wouldn't have slaughtered them. Is that what these fucking dummies think? And here's the irony.

They need to read the Bible. Here's the idea. They need to be in the gospel where our Lord tells us to be able to shake the stuff their feet you know like yeah and here's the irony what it the problem isn't that franco killed these people the problem is you didn't kill enough of them look what look what spain's going through right now for crying out loud what's he going to do the the like again i hate to keep harping on this but what's the boomer attitude going to do just look them in the eye and shake their hand right pete if he just looked them in the eye and shake their hand these anarchists these communists they'll be

they'll understand what you want you can just find the common ground and long workout. No, it really won't. No, it really won't. And even when you try and get rid of all of them, you still have to make sure that you do it thoroughly because that's what Spain's enduring now is the fact that Franco actually had some compassion and mercy. I was like, well, I'm not just going to kill entire, entire countryside's full of you people. I'm just going to try and have a few firing squads and get rid of the worst of you. Well, apparently. that that didn't work out either. Well, I mean,

you got anything, Jose? I mean, yeah, like this whole notion that you're just going to have well, like, discourse with people that just cannot agree on basic fundamentals of

like, well, like, the questions of life, you're just, it's the perpetual discourse trap that will lead to your civilization's demise like the time for talking is over like the there's the only debate that is to be had is how we're going to dispose of these people because yeah

if you don't um thoroughly liquidate them and build institutions that prevent these people from ever um reconstituting themselves and insinuating themselves in your like society and governing structures um you're just gonna repeat a vicious cycle of like decline and we have

to like start um thinking outside the box now and discarding failed doctrines of like liberalism. Well, how can they get along with us if their very existence just is contingent on them being able to parasite out of us? I mean, I know I bring it up all the time, but really, the show we did the shows we did about race porn high school. ever since the 1968 teacher strike in New York, right? Government workers have basically been given the deal of you will have an absurd pension. Do your 20 years in government and you will get a pension where instead of, you know, 50% or 60% of your salary, right? You're going to get like 90% of your salary for the rest of your life.

there's no way someone you know the average person is not capable of putting the interests of the whole above that of themselves and for the greater good of society sacrificing that 90% pension for the for the common good they're just not going to do it and so you know like yes you have to completely destroy the teachers union because the teachers union is hostile to civilization there's no there's no like oh well we can make it better like no you can't you have to destroy it you have to burn it to the roots and then you have to bring the roots up

and burn those and you know like they're not a conversation can't happen where you know in a public park recently there was a black militia group right

and they're standing there in the parks shouting about how they want to kill every white person how you can't live with those people figure it out if you state that somebody's going to say you're racist i mean there are people who still you know it's like i i was having a conversation with someone on twitter today i said multiracial multiracial societies don't work i said really the only multi multiracial society right now that's kind of orderly on the on the planet It's Singapore, and it's kind of multiracial. I mean, all those people are sort of, most of the people who have congregated there

are sort of in the same kind of family. They at least a lot of them look somewhat alike. But how do they keep order there? They keep order by they're going to, they'll, they will kill you if you get out of line or they will cane you publicly if you get out of line. And I'm saying, you know, multiracial society just doesn't work. and they're saying, no, no, it's, it's not about race. It's about the fact that people can vote.

And it's like, I mean, if I lived in a, if I lived in a monoculture or a monoracial society, I mean, basically voting comes down to what, you know, someone wants to, who's, who's going to give more Gibbs to my cousin? I mean, if people can't even get past this and see this, I mean, people are willing to fight and die for those beliefs, that we can live in a multiracial society, that this should be a multiracial society, that this should be, you know, it doesn't matter what this is.

You know, it doesn't matter anyone can be an American. I mean, you can't have a conversation with those people yeah going back to the point of the vicious cycle um even in this theoretical multiracial polity where voting rights are restricted the there's going to be tension one way or the other like say 20 to 30 years on the line when it becomes clear that there's like a minority that's only able to exercise political power and then you have like a massive hell it class that can't vote that hell it class is going to eventually clash if not revolt like this is not as this is not something this is like a future evil that has to be prevented and you do that by having a coherent

like a racially coherent polity like yeah screw that like i don't want to pass on like a future conflict to our posterity just to um scratch someone's ideological itch well and that's that's what enoch palis said that you know the chief job of statesman was was the prevention of of foreseeable evils and you know we have this huge population of of mestizos that maybe they vote maybe they don't but you you just set up and you've already seen it like how many blacks are left in los angeles they've been pushed out there aren't any blacks left in content or not not any but Like, you know, the birthplace of gangster rap, now you hear Ranchero music.

And the white people are sitting there, well, you know, we should just get along. Why can't we have rap Ranchero music and everyone be friendly? Well, because they're not capable of growing the economic pie. They need their ticks on the body politic of the state of California, on the white, industries, on the aerospace industry, on the tech industry, on the Hollywood industry that's all brought there by other people. And they are remora's on the body, you know, like following that, those industries around.

And there's only so many scraps to go around. If they were capable of building first world countries on their own, they'd have built them already. Show me one. yeah it's the old it's the old trip about how much you know blacks will just shit on whites all day about being you know being violent and being you know oh you're the real violent ones look at the things you've done historically yet they just want to be around black they want to be around white people but they don't want to be around white people as like you know a cast that needs to be i don't know treated like children? No, they want to dominate. And all that turns into is

is violence and chimping out and killing. I mean, I talk about this all the time. There's always been, ever since the end of slavery, there's been black crime. But there was a time when black crime was much lower. And that was at a time when, one, it was permissible trying not to get in trouble here it was permissible to let's say um what's the word

I'm looking for to I don't want to use punish but you know to discipline someone when they got out of line and also there was and what I will point out of That is when that time existed, blacks did a lot better financially, family-wise, all down the line. They did pretty good. Well, it wasn't, yeah, good. Well, why should I care how well they're doing? They're not my countrymen. They were given the chance to be my countrymen.

And they're not going anywhere. That's the point I'm trying to make. They're not going anywhere. Anyone who's screaming, anyone who's screaming, oh, we're sending the. blacks back to Africa. You sound like a libertarian saying, just end the state, bro. They're not going anywhere. Well, yeah. So how do we deal with them in the future? At a distance and being well armed. That's how you deal with them. And right, like Donald Trump should. Well, you're talking about secession. And when you start talking about secession, the people who are like, well, that means

you're getting away from the cities. And the cities is where all the power is, bro. And, secession just means that China is going to come in and they're going to take over and you'll just be, you'll be as slaves to Chinese now and everything. People, I mean, this is shit that I see like, literally, people I know and I like, people I've had on my show say stuff like that. You know, it's like, oh, you're going to, you can't have secession to get away from people and start your own and do your own thing because either you're going to be waco or, you know, the Chinese will own you in, in 10 years.

well okay two things to that first of all like if there's someone who's thought more about cities and what it means to live in a city and how to build a beautiful city in our thing than me I want to meet that guy because I have stuff to learn but uh secondly if you're going to the the Chinese might take over say Washington state or California They already, in some large measure, control the Democratic operative or Democratic parties in those states. They're at least interested in, you know, a functioning society to colonize. They don't want, like, do they put up with the monkey shines in Africa? no they show up they put up they put up with a certain amount of nonsense when the africans

aren't capable of delivering what do they do they parachute in you know 20,000 Chinese single guys and those guys take over I'm not saying I would like the Chinese to take over I'm saying the Chinese have a certain amount of interest in like competent governance and in a future where Pax American is no longer a thing. This whole war in India in Pakistan was over, I believe, the Ganges, the course of the Ganges. Do you think that, you know, resources are going to get cheaper in the future as there are, you know, nine billion people on Earth? They're not.

So in a in a world where the U.S. Navy is no longer ruling the waves and securing the trade routes, you know, deal with the reality in front of you. Chinese, you know, satrippies in, you know, Los Angeles, they'd probably provide better services than the present state of California. Honestly. Because the Chinese wouldn't tolerate the homeless. Seattle under Chinese domination would probably smell better. Live in the world you're actually in.

And, you know, like, will the ideology of like, I don't want to be ruled over by foreigners. You're ruled over by foreigners now. Go back to the beginning of this conversation. Who's actually in charge of America? Well, then they say, well, we don't want to be ruled over by those people. It's like, okay, well, then how are you going to stop it? everybody wants to talk about you know how put it this way every what I see is what

what a lot of people make fun of boomers for or normies oh we're just going to if we vote the we vote the right person you know we're going to vote someone in and they're going to make everything better I mean isn't that exactly what a lot of people who are like well secession isn't the answer or thinking we just got to vote the right person in bro and And then he'll clean it up, is going to have the Protestant Franco, and it's going to, you're not going to believe what's going to happen here. Well, that sounds just like wishcasting. Like, that's something that you hope happens, but is outside the realm of reality. So what do you do?

If that's outside the realm of reality, and once you accept it, and I know it's hard for people to, to, to accept it. because a lot of people are just completely in denial, then you have to accept the fact that you may need to start over. And the best way to start over would be like organizing away from other people. And that may be just may be something that would look like secession, whether it be de facto or whatever. but the idea that you're going to take back, I mean, take back a city. Oh, Republicans are going to take back Atlanta. Okay, when was the last time Atlanta was a Republican?

It's been a while. It's been a while. It's entrenched. Oh, did Detroit had a Republican mayor? Oh, and did he fix anything? Is Detroit like a thriving metropolis now? No. I mean, this is this is the problem with people who are too ideologically possessed and I'll be quiet after this, but I just get so annoyed with this because I have studied cities and how they work and how they function and what they mean in politics and all sorts of this exact issue for like 15 years. Okay. The only way, the only way. To change a city that has gone to the dogs is like a complete disaster,

like a Hurricane Katrina level event and authoritarian government, period. There's no city I know of that has turned around on like purely democratic means where everyone was respected. Right, purely democratic means, because someone will bring up bird. Berlin, and you're going to, and it's going to be like, okay. Yeah, well, when, when, uh, when, uh, Goelette, or could have pronounced, but when he was, when he was the leader of Berlin, was he in charge? Or did he have to like listen to a bunch of different people and get votes and city council?

Or was he just in charge and could he clean at Berlin? Yeah. Did he have 200 pounds she boons, like, nipping at his heels and telling him what he needs to do? Yeah, I don't. I don't think so. But DE, American cities are going to be, American cities can be like that. Really? No.

No. Really? No, they can't. No, they can't for all kinds of reasons. And if you think they can and you've been listening to this show or me for any length of time, you obviously have heard what I said, but you weren't listening. There is a city in Texas right now that's a city. I think it's half, half Hispanic, that $4.4 million of their income every year is being sent to Israel.

Who's fixing that? Who's fixing that? And if somebody does fix that, maybe someone gets elected and fixes that. What happens to the next person who gets elected? Do you under, do people not understand the fucking problem here? the problem isn't oh you know we have all these special interest groups well yeah that is part of the problem part of the problem is ethnic groups are going to every ethnic group except whites is allowed to get together and lobby for anything they want but the main problem is is the fact

that you can elect the great you can elect i mean look at sweden up into a certain point around 1950, early 50s, Sweden was this thriving ethno state that had free markets and they were wealthy as hell. And then what do they do? Well, they decided, well, you know, there are some people who are poor here. So we're going to start a, we're going to have a like a welfare state. Okay, well, people need to be taken care of. But also, if you don't police that thing and make sure people who are being taken care of or actually needs to be taken care of, that's going to go off the rails.

And then what happened? They didn't gatekeep. So eventually, they were overrun by frigging savages. Now, they didn't choose for that to happen, but they're not doing anything about it. And I've heard people recently say who've traveled through Europe that the southern part of Sweden, like Malmo, right over from Copenhagen, is the most dangerous place in Europe. How the fuck does that happen? It happens because my democracy and, you know, entrenched interests and not gatekeeping

and not doing everything, not understanding that order is a precious. thing and once you lose it it's the possibility of getting it back is almost impossible the one group that did that in the 20th century the whole world declared war on them so what are your what do you think you think you're going to take over a city I'm not talking about like town. I'm talking about a city of 25,000 people. You can take over Atlanta? You can take over Chicago, New York City, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, where all the power comes from? How are you going to do that? How are you going to do that? Oh, well, we're going to read the Battle for Berlin by Joseph Goet and we're going to do exactly what he. Good luck with that.

Good luck with that. Sorry to be a downer. I'm not one of these people who says everything is a black pill, I have an answer. I have answers. I have things that we can do. People don't want, most people don't want to fucking hear them, though, because they've been, I mean, they turn into civic nationalists as soon as you start recommending something that goes against their programming. Anybody is free to disagree with me and tell me where I'm wrong. I respect you guys. I don't think you're wrong on anything necessarily, Pete. I just trying to be thoughtful and trying to see where the best way to kind of come alongside the discussion is.

And I would say that, one, to step back to an earlier point you raised, things were better when we had the availability of extrajudicial discipline, when you could actually take care of your community and you didn't need to rely on air quotes wherever the power was, where the power was firm. in your hands and in your community's hands. That's when things were better and to kind of address the larger macro point that I, if I'm understanding you correctly, that you're making, what people fail to understand on the whole is that order does not stem from prosperity. Prosperity stems from order. If you cannot have order, then you will not have prosperity. The preponderance of human history, life has been nasty.

and brutish and short only when man decided to take the reins and to actually impose order do things get better does prosperity start to flow from that if you expect prosperity to just manifest i i don't know what to tell you because even the bible would disagree with that even the collected wisdom of the ages would disagree with that because as as any devout Catholic will tell you we live in a fallen world goodness will not just spring out of nothingness doesn't that doesn't happen so you kind of address your larger point that i please correct me if i misunderstand you but the issue at hand now is we need to establish order in whatever areas we can and form it from there and from thence will prosperity be possible. But even then,

it's a long road to it. As regarding the cities, some of the points you raised during the cities, you said that there are people that approach you with, well, that's where the power is. You can't let go of the power in the cities. First off, well, we don't have them already. The power is already out of our hands. And second off, what power are we talking about? I ask that in good faith and genuine. What power are we talking about? They can't, they obviously can't even manage themselves. Or if they do, it's only to the barest degrees. It's a matter of fact, our own illustrious Dark Enlightenment has said countless times, I think literally every city in America is broke, literally every single one. Please correct me if I'm wrong, Dee, but I believe

every single one of them is broke. And obviously many to degrees that are just completely, completely unsalvageable. So these things are all just going to collapse under their own weight, either economically, demographically, what have you. They're all going to collapse under their own. And all of these people, these problems are going to starve themselves out of existence. So, I mean, does that mean we just run away and hide? I'm not necessarily saying that, but I am saying that to your point, that we just have

to establish order where we have it and understand. that it's it's going to be a long road so you gentlemen can take the torch really i mean i might be right i might be wrong i might be right or it might be wrong technically speaking i haven't done an analysis of every single city in america but i have looked at you know chicago los angeles the top 20 and every one of them is is in trouble and not doing anything to fix it and you know listen to previous programs that peter and i have done together about why this is a problem or or other programs have done. But to Charles's point, right?

Like, I'm not the only person who does this, looks at, you know, reads that he leaves and sees this fiscal catastrophe in the future. Anyone who could read an actual aerial table would know this sort of thing is a problem in the future. And they don't do anything about it. Well, why not? Well, the answer is, right? Either, as Jose says, you know, the occupying. government is more concerned with, you know, what's going on in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem than

here. Or, democratically, you know, the population that's in Seattle just doesn't care because they'll be dead then, or they need to get reelected, or they need their free heroin right now in three years. So you know that this is an impending disaster. Get away from it. And people take that as like running away or seating ground. It's like you don't, seeding ground would imply that you have some ground right now politically. I'm sorry, what do you have? Does anybody listening to this have? I guarantee you anyone listening to this who has like political power, has it locally.

and that just goes right back to what I was saying. I'm sick and tired of hearing people, even people that I like and respect, and I love telling me that, oh, no, you just can't see, you can't just run away. Well, first of all, it's not running away. Running away would be, running away implies you're running and doing nothing and just hiding. No, you're going and building. And that's another problem is people don't want to do that. I mean, people don't want to read a book. You tell people that, people like, oh, where'd you get that information?

Well, it's in this book. Well, can you, no, read the book. Well, I don't have time to do that. Well, I guess you don't have time to, you know, do what needs to be done in order to survive and thrive either. And, I mean, that's not even me being rude or shitting on you. That's me saying that, I mean, something needs to be. be done about that. You're going to have to figure out a way to do that, a way to free, do something that allows

you to survive, especially if you have a family. If you have a family and you live anywhere near a city right now, man, God help you. I'm sorry, Trump's not saving the day. Does God help you if you live within a hundred miles of Atlanta? Like, take the most fuel-efficient car you can and be away, more than one tank away from Atlanta. Because that's your radius of, like, bad things will happen to you. Yeah, I was in Atlanta. I just went to the airport last week.

In order to drive through the airport, to get to the airport, you have to go through some neighborhoods. These are neighborhoods that you're just like, how can people live like this? And then you realize, oh, the only reason the neighborhoods are like this is because of the people who live there. They prefer social. Yeah, it's not socioeconomic factors. this is the way they want it well it wouldn't be that way if if it wasn't for the government bro we just got rid of the government everything would be better you think you want to live in a world where there isn't it even like just a little bit of a threat from a state

when these people exist what the fuck's wrong with you I don't get it. I still have on Twitter when I got my account back that I hadn't, that was suspended for two years, there's still a lot of libertarians that follow me from way back in the day. They still think this way. They went through the last five years of through COVID and then through the Biden presidency. seeing what was happening, seeing how the state was just taken out their enemies.

And they're like, and, you know, what would be the best, if, if the state is your enemy, what's the best thing you can do? Well, try to mitigate your, your interactions with them as possible. Or maybe set up a plan where you can get your own guys elected. You know, because if the state's a gang, you know, and I think Charlie, Charlemagne had a tweet a few years ago where he said libertarians are completely right. The state's a bunch of gangsters. What they don't get is that you want to be those gangsters or else you're at their whim. And if you can't do it and if you're probably not going to be able to do it, you know, on the federal level.

But locals sitting right there. A lot of people, a lot of people have gone local and been able to control their town and get things prevented from happening in their town that, you know, that they didn't want drag queen story hour, books and libraries, yada, yada, whatever. There are answers out there. The problem is, is you're going to have to do something. you're going to have to do something. And a lot of people either don't want to do that for ideological reasons or they don't really have the time to do that. And I would say that the people who really want to get out of their situation, but

they don't have the time to because they're working that hard for their family, click up with people who are looking to do this. You don't have to be a leader. You don't have to put all your time into it. But fucking save yourself. and save your family because, you know, just as there was a, you know, you read in the Old Testament and then there came a pharaoh who didn't know who Joseph was, well, there's going to come a time when Donald Trump or whoever, whomever you think is your hero is not going to be

in there and it's going to be someone worse than, you know, put it this way. There's going to be no one standing in the way of the people who are, have been in this managerial state and or deep state or whatever you want to call it. No one was holding them back for four years in 2020 to 2024. The whole time Donald Trump was present the first time, they were in charge. Which was worse. It was worse under Biden because somebody was there to actually like, stop them from coming and attacking and coming after us. As soon as Biden took power, they came after us.

What do you think is going to be better than next time? Biden wasn't compass mentis for at least three years of his presidency. What do you think? What do you think with someone who acted? When AOC is the president in eight years, you think she's going to forget all the people who trolled her on Twitter? Yeah, and I remind us, I told people this on my live stream a few weeks ago, and people were, you know, they don't want to believe me. If you think you're in a non on Twitter and the state doesn't know who you are, you're retarded.

Now, I'd be worried, you know, what I think you worry more about, people worry more about, people worry more about. on Twitter is like some Antifa fucks or something like that, finding out who you are and coming after you. If you're in a non. The state knows who you are. Israel has this frigging software where they can docks anybody, basically. If you're on social media and they want to target you, they're going to know who you are.

So what happens the next time your enemy gets in charge? you can't delete that account you can delete it but all the data is still there well maybe start making your plans now because Trump or somebody to hold them off is not always going to be there and there are still people who are being targeted even with Trump being in office so take that for what you will and it's not a people will say it's a black pill

I don't think so it's reality you have to make you know you have to figure out the best way to get through in past reality the best way to deal with reality I have some ideas

I think I have some answers but they have some answers but they have have to be implemented. And, I mean, I think I've done a fairly decent job so far, but, you know, that's a lot of what the old glory club is about, too. So, you know, we're not forgetting about the national politics, but it's not the most

important thing at this point. Well, I hate to keep repeating this line, but it's nevertheless true, right? Like, A.A., the one American spiritual contribution to the world, we'll see what Leo the 14th is capable of. but the first step is admitting you have a problem right like so many people in and out of our thing want to pretend that everything is okay or that things aren't as bad as they are look our roads look like the dark side of the moon i was recently on a major highway outside of a major city and you would have thought i was on like a dirt road in like north mississippi with how full of potholes this thing

was and until you accept that like certain things are just not going to function in the future you're going to you know and putting your money or your time or your energy into anything that feeds the present system is just a waste of time you know not only is there the what 30 trillion dollars in debt how many trillion hundreds of trillions in unfunded liabilities are how many how many major banks are actually insolvent when you take a real look at their books right Nina jenkovich the you know the crazy uh theater kid lady who was going to be in charge of censorship for the internet stormy made this great point on you on your recent show pete um she's not out of power she just moved locations i think she's working for the e u now right

Yeah, right. So, I'm sure there was, like, Deputy Assistant Undersecretaries of, of, you know, underwater basket weaving that got fired from the Trump administration. You think they didn't find a job at the UN or some NGO the next week, Osoros NGO? Of course they did. And, you know, no one on the right wants to. put their money, they want to make money, right? Elon Musk wants to make money. The reason he, you know, joined the Trump administration as much as he did is he

realized that, like, being a chubby nerd with hundreds of millions of dollars or billions of dollars in a world where, you know, electricity is intermittent is only a great way to, like, have people beat you up and get eaten. And so he likes a world where the, like, electricity runs and, you know, civilization hangs on because then he gets to be a rich dude with lots of cool stuff, like, When there's no electricity, he's from South Africa. When there's no electricity, his Tesla is useless. So he understands the stakes, at least.

But he's still trying to make money. Tucker Carlson's part of the Swanson TV dinner family fortune. He has real money. Has he done anything? there's no one in American on the American right wants to actually win

they want to perpetuate the system that has allowed them to be successful and they don't understand that that that system by its very nature will eventually eat them and their kids and everything else that matters. So you can't depend on them and you've got to build outside of it.

Right. I like Victor Orban quite a bit. I think he's probably one of the best leaders in the world right now. But Rod Dreher, the traitorous scumbag, American conservative, was given a job at the Danube Institute and given a spot in his country. by Victor Orban You know, Victor Orban should know better He should know that Rodrera is scum

He should know that Roderrera is a coward and untrustworthy But he doesn't Because he's conservative And that's the problem It's like until like somebody like Thomas is given a job at a think tank You can't trust think tanks Because they want maintain the system that has put

them in a position where they have a cool office in downtown D.C. A couple blocks from the capital. You know? Cato has a really nice building in Washington, D.C. It's huge. It takes up like half a city block.

Why would Cato tell the truth about anything? Yeah, that's one of the biggest, uh, One of the biggest issues that we have is, is that the capture when people who could, you know, formerly or could do a great job of exposing the things that need to be exposed, they start getting a paycheck and start having, you know, more money than they've ever had, possibly.

And they're just, they have to do, you know, and then you have to take into account the people who run those Glenn Lowry was a fellow at the Manhattan Institute and he was he got a two-paragraph email saying that he no longer worked at the

Manhattan Institute and why because he said that what was happening in Gaza was a crime it was a war crime was genocide who runs that who runs a manhattan institute who funds that manhattan institute paul singer who's on the board bill crystal i mean and the manhattan institute is one of the better ones out there because they're the

ones who are higher heather mcdonald and they'll admit that you know like sometimes negroes are just dumb that's not like they're edgy for saying that this is not this is not uh the reason found or Heritage or AEI or anything like that. This is the Manhattan Institute. They're edgy. They, they'll talk to Ann Coulter and Heather McDonald. They'll publish, um, life at the bottom.

Uh, I don't remember. Who's that? No, it was a British guy who was a psychologist who, um, anyway, like, they're, they're among the better establishment think tanks in America. America, but, you know, sovereign is he who decides the exception, right? And Glenn Lowry walked up and the sovereign and said, nah, fam, and then he found out who was in charge real quick. Yeah, I mean, I remember Chris Rufo in Atten Institute, he wrote an article about

Charleroy, Pennsylvania. And in that article, he mentioned that. that the group that was showing up the, that helped all those Haitians get in there to take over the town, basically, was part of Jewish Family Services. And when that article came out, I was kind of shocked. I was like, this is weird. But then what happened a week later? Something that never happened before. Chris Rufo went on Twitter and started talking about how.

much of a problem anti-Semitism was on the right. Yeah, we need our own think tanks. You know, need our own everything. Because if not, I mean, what happens? You get, you, inevitably people are going to be, In the hierarchical structure, they're going to be under somebody who is going to tell them, well, you can't say that. You can't tell the truth. You can't, you're not allowed to mention highest.

You're not allowed to mention JFS. You can't say those things. And that just basically you're, you know, what, what, happens to your credibility after that. I choose to censor myself sometimes, but I do it to myself, and I do it for what I think are strategic reasons. I could be wrong, but I do it out of strategy, because I think I'm playing a game. I think this goes way beyond waking some people up on Twitter, and so.

Sometimes there are things that I shouldn't say. Maybe I should just say everything, but it's what I think. It's how I, but no one's telling me to do that. I'm doing it myself. I'm doing it myself. And I'm doing it for a reason. I'm not doing it because of a paycheck. And I'm not doing it because someone's telling me not to.

people want to believe that they have quote unquote right wing based right wing leadership out there who are willing to talk about how men are really men and women are women and they may even have some roles you know their role their roles that only men should have and only women should have so based but they're not willing to talk about how society even got to the point where you had to have that conversation where you have to say something so obvious and who might be responsible for it

and where that comes from and the fact that there's a history of it that doesn't go back 50 years but it goes back centuries I don't know I don't know I don't think I don't think saying these things is I think saying these things is just, you know, you want to speak the truth and you want people to know and, you know, you want people to be able to, if enough people have the truth and know exactly how the game is being played and what they're up against, then they can make their own decisions about the best way to going forward.

And if they want help with that, you know, all they have to do is ask. Well, the most important thing that you can do for yourself right now, right, isn't get another argument on Twitter, it isn't going to prove how based you are in group chat, it's position yourself to be better off no matter what. Like if Donald Trump, like, hypothetically, right, becomes an article. to president tomorrow and just starts deporting tens of thousands of people per day gets the courts in order ends, you know, DEI and

affirmative action and repeals Griggs v. We do power. Whatever, you know, pie in this guy thing that you want to say he was doing and you're upset with him because he hasn't done that thing, right? Well, okay. How'd you take advantage of it? What would you do?

Donald Trump did everything you wanted. What would you do to take advantage of it? Contrastly, if Kamala Harris was in president right now and was like literally hunting down people for mean tweets, which, let's be honest, she would be. What would you do? I think a lot of those things would be the same. you'd get out of debt

you'd you know get some skills you'd you know whatever it is that you're doing you'd find some bros you'd work out

I mean whatever it is that you're doing that's good do that you know be outcome independent of who's in charge in Washington because

because right now anywhere in America if 10 guys show up to a school board meeting and complain about the same thing if you have 10 bros so 11 of you walk into the school board meeting everyone's dressed dressed you know respectively but not like obviously

wearing a uniform you sit in a bunch of different spots so you don't all sitting together and you complain about the same thing thing, the people who are in the school board are going to feel like that's a hundred people or a thousand people that are upset about that particular thing. It might just be you and your 10 bros that are upset about that one thing. But they're going to think that thousands of people are mad about this because 10 people

bother to show up and complain. Get to the point where you have 10 bros that will show up to the school board meeting on Thursday night at 6 o'clock and then then you can actually accomplish some stuff you know put an addition on your house

having 10 bros show up there with framing hammers you can knock that bad boy out in a day buy a couple pizzas get a couple of beers a couple sixers of beer have a bro show up and help you out. Knock out the framing on that edition. One Saturday.

Done. Get into a position where the regime can't hurt you. Then if it tries, you have friends that will help you out. Anybody got comments? I personally think that just real quick, there needs to just obviously be a like 1,000 flowers like bloom type of approach where people are just going to have to rely on their strengths and some people will absolutely dominate with regards to political organization at the local level. and then some people may are unfortunately going to have to be stuck in cities but like get skills make money and then use that those resources to buy land and build networks but the one thing that people have to avoid is becoming another like atomized individual that whose whole life

is marked by mindless consumerism people need to break the cycle of atomization and deracization nation and start building communities, networking with people, because these are the most valuable assets you can have in this society marked by just nihilism and just loneliness. So people need to just deal, work with the hand that's been dealt with it to them and just go from there. This is going to be a reconquista, a long slog, but you have to have, like, sight of the bigger picture. Yeah, I co-signed everything you just said, Jose, absolutely. It's a long slog.

It's a reconquist, as we said earlier. And I would also add to kind of tie up a few of the threads that all of us have mentioned. Even indeed talking about 10 bros, just get together for this. Look what you can accomplish in just a day. I mean, I remember when I did that, I had a whole deck done in a Saturday afternoon. But, I mean, even if you don't want to take that far, if you don't want to look that far ahead, or take that large an effort upon yourself. Start small.

That book that Pete said, read that. Go to the gym. When was the last time you went to the gym? Hell, when was the last time you walked around to park? Okay, when was the last time you threw a punch? When was the last time you hit a bag, a speed bag, a heavy bag, anything? Whereas Jose said, stop being atomized. When's the last time you called a friend instead of a friend calling you?

I'm not saying you have to conquer the whole world. I'm not saying you have to retake Portland. Just stop being atomized and start moving towards something beyond your cell phone screen, something beyond your internet connection. You don't have to, you don't have to conquer the world. Just take a few steps in the right direction. They can be small. When I, to go back to a point you raised earlier, Pete, when we were fortunate enough to get Trump in in 2016, What did I do? Got together some friends and bought land. Bullets, bought firearms. Started

going to the gym again hard. Now, I'm never going to be 22 again. Obviously, that's just not going to happen. It's impossible. But you know what? I could not. I don't have to be. I don't have to be a fat, slob, 50-something-year-old guy that doesn't know what the inside of a gym looks like or hasn't lifted a weight in 20 years. I can control that. I can't roll back the clock, but I can control that. What did I do? I made use of the time. Did I make mistakes?

Sure, I did. Pete and I were just talking. I didn't pick the best ground to try and grow things on. Okay. All right. I faltered. But I still moved in a direction. And what I have discovered over the course of my life is it's a lot easier to change direction

than it is to gain momentum than it is to start moving. So just start moving and then change directions as necessary. That's my piece on that, gentleman. Yeah, I realize that a lot of people tune into these episodes for to hear us rag on this, you know, this regime, the controllers of the regime, you know, minorities, yada, yada, all crime, whatever. Sorry, I'm going to need an episode every once in a while. We're going to have to start looking in the mirror. I know people don't want to hear that. I know it hurts when I'm confronted, when I have someone confront me about something,

you know, probably normally my wife, I don't want to hear it. But, you know, self-examination is, it's really important. And it's what, you know, it's what mature people do. and it's what people who responsibility is how to even start to call yourself a right wing if you're not a responsible human to yourself and to your family. It just doesn't make any sense. So, you know, I apologize for making this about, if you're listening to this and I made it about you or you think I'm talking to you. My apologies. But I need to hear it every once in a while

and so does everybody. And I hope a lot of it made sense because, you know, I have a tendency to ramble and stumble over my words sometimes. I understand that. I understand that I, you know, I understand that I stutter. It's funny when people point that out and they think that I don't know. Yeah, I have a tendency to do that. It's okay. You're my favorite stuttering retarded, Pete. That's a little stuttering prick. I think you make a very good point.

And the point isn't that, you know, oh, woe is me. We're all going to lose and everything that's going to go down and, you know, fire and brimstone. With all that in mind, right, but the system rate against the judicial system being a the deep state, whatever thing you took away from this evening. Let that be a lesson to you that whatever comes next, can't let this happen again, right? If Donald Trump manages to fix everything, great. But also remember, like, there was this one judge in, like,

you know, federal district court that, like, totally destroyed, like nearly destroyed the Trump presidency. You know, the North Carolina Senator who should know better, right? Didn't try to fix it. Why not? Okay, well, that's the, you know, to the extent that options are fixable or things are fixable, right, use this conversation to give you ideas about how to fix things. And to the extent that things aren't fixable, use this conversation to, you know, like Charles said, you know, it's much easier to change direction than build momentum. so take the whatever momentum you've got and channel it in a in a productive direction if if you know

the politics side isn't working you know go to the community building side of things build your business save some money do whatever it is that you need to do that you know keeps that momentum up anyone else got some closing comments we'll keep this one at a decent length We have a tendency to make everyone almost go two hours. So Jose, you got any closing anything to say? I just want to reiterate the importance of people just starting to build networks in whichever way possible. It's not going to be a uniform strategy. And I also would advise them to just look at history to read up on not just historical political movements,

but also within kind of like the nationalist right, Natsalk movements and all that to just ensure that they're not repeating mistakes of the past. And then also seeing like if they could find moderate successes and try to implement them or replicate them or even update them to the current context. I think that's very important. That's like the more most productive work you could do. And contribute whichever way you can. You don't have to be an activist.

You could be like a donor. You could be somebody that provides infrastructure. But the very important thing is that people start connecting and building these networks because that's what ultimately wins because politics is at the end of the day about interconnected human relations. But what I wanted to add to what Jose was just talking about where multiple things, when it comes to the old glory club there, if you start a chapter, there are some rules that you have to follow, but you can, you know, chapters in different areas. Different areas are having different

issues. That's the way you deal with it. You figure out what you need will help you all you can, if you ask, but, you know, we have chapters right now that are just, Alabama chapter is off on its own. We're doing our own thing and, you know, it's fantastic. And I know the Montana chapter is the same way. These guys are just killing it. Doing two totally different things, but just concentrating on what's most important in their area because that's what you can control at this point. And this was most important because that's where you live. The overwhelming majority of people, you know, 99, more than 99% of people, closer to 100% of people,

are never going to have an interaction with a federal agent. you have to concentrate on your local area. That's what's most important. I just want to say a couple things very briefly, and then I'll let the say his piece. But briefly, I recall calling you actually, Pete, when I was leaving the doctor's office one day because you had said something at the end of the program

and forgive me if I get it wrong slightly or if I accidentally put words in your mouth. But I recall I contacted you and I said, hey, Pete, I just want to say on the side that I respect you a great deal as a fighter and for all you do and that I really felt a kinship with you. You may recall this voice message that I sent you. And I said that you do this basically to cut to the chase out of love. And I said, I feel very much the same way.

And I said that that's one of the reasons that I really appreciate you having me on. And I was happy to learn that we had that one. thing in common. I think we have other things in common, but I think that's the most important thing. So that being said, that being my segue to my point here, I'm going to put words in your mouth and forgive me if they're wrong, but gentlemen, if you're still listening to me, I would say this, nothing Pete said today was a black pill. Would you have to understand that is, is that's just cold water on your face. He's not trying to demoralize you. He's trying to get you to wake up a little bit, get you to see that there are some issues. It's not, nobody is kicking

you when you're down. Nobody is saying, you know, you just got a man up. None of that nonsense. We're just saying that you have to see the world for what it is. We're saying that you have to understand the world you live in and that you have to take appropriate measures to get yourself out of trouble because we can't do it for you. We shouldn't do it for you, frankly, because it's just part of growing up. It's part of living. It's part of learning. It's part of maturing. But that is what I, that's what I'm here to do. And I suspect that's what Pete's here to do today. Just some cold water in the face, but also that hopeful reminder that there are other men out there that are here whenever you need help and just reach out. Don't be atomized like Jose had said. Learn to reach out. Learn to talk to each other. I'm not saying become a charity case, but try and carry you.

yourself as much as you can and when you need help seek it and seek it so thank you very much for having me on pete and i wish all your listeners the best of course charles your uh this show isn't thought crime's sending it without you so um de you have anything you want to finish with or um just my usual you know free man be on the wall slash donate go to go to jos substack Subscribe to the American Free Press by Charles's books. Dangers did in Catholicism, you know, check out my program on Fundamental Principle. You know, just support the people to support you.

And thank you so much for having me again, Pete. It's always a pleasure. You are welcome. We are the thought crime syndicate. And when one of us is gone, it seems like there's a piece of us is missing. So, yeah, thank you guys for being. able to do this. I appreciate it. The thought crime syndicate is back. It has been 48 hours since Israel does what it does. And today is also, quote unquote, no Kings Day. So who wants to start?

Come on, Dee, you got this one. Fire it off. Let's go. Well, of course, there's another airline disaster right before we do the show, because that's just what happens. but um it's going to get worse fellows it's going to get worse that's all i have to say about the air india thing is that another air india crash does it just happened yeah like two days ago there was a flight oh okay flight to london right after it took off it looks like there's double engine failure and then um jet fuel might not steal beams but it makes a dandy fireball when you crash with a full plane so yeah it's i think it said something like there was like a hundred and 159 Indian citizens and another 755 Brits,

which that means that they're all Indian. Yeah, that was my suspicion. Yeah, are there any Brits left? Jump in, anyone. Yeah, go ahead, Jose. I mean, like, I don't know what to tell you. It's not going to get better. Like, you're going to get to the point where flying is going to be back to the sort of

risks you took in the 20s and 30s where a commercial plane, you know, but not an unreasonable chance of not making it to your destination so you're going to have to start weighing that whether or not it's worth flying or not especially internationally on certain airlines yeah a lot of things seem to be coming to ahead this week with the whole astroturf um no kings protests and then the the shit that's jumping off in the middle east um yeah think we could be in for a really nasty suez crisis moment for the united states where if the united states comes out on the wrong end of it not only is it's like imperial project pretty much going to be on the back foot for a long time but also we could be seeing the first like well actually know like the next stage in the

socioeconomic decline of the u.s not just from like the generic per capita GDP figures, but also just quality of life infrastructure, not functioning and all of that. Yeah, I think we finally run out of civilizational capital. I mean, it's pretty obvious now at this point that high trust has been gone for quite some time. And there's no sign of it coming back in any kind of large scale movement. We're just way too fractured. I think the inertia that we've made use of for so long, the civilizational fumes we've been running on, they're just they're obviously out now. They're obviously out. There's just violence in pretty much every city at this point. I think what stuns me the most about everything that I'm witnessing these days

is I find it hard to believe that there were more and greater and deeper differences in this country in 1860 and 1861 than there are right now. I really find that almost impossible to believe because I just don't see any kind of common ground anywhere. And I think that's one of the horrors of our times is in, in order to find any kind of common ground, you've now got to go to the internet. It's so hard to even find people in your local area. We're just so fractured. The only thing that is understandable for me from an 18.

We're at the Senate. Please, go ahead. I was going to say, we're really at, like, I can give you some parallels to the Spanish Civil War from recently. Reconquista. There were parts of Spain that were, you know, they wanted to break away anarchists. You know, the only problem with the reconquista here is they're like, oh, this, this used to belong to Mexico. You know, this was ours. No, that belonged to Spain. I'm sorry, they're Europeans. You're not. You cannot handle civilization. You cannot handle governance. That's why you have a Jew as a president, and that's why the cartels are running things.

Also, you have politicians being assassinated now for not voting for health care for migrants. Yeah, I'm always torn over politicians getting assassinated because, unfortunately, in the world we live in, that is just something that is going is a is something that you have to worry about they literally voted for this though i mean aren't the jewish democrats from minnesota like like this is what you voted for you voted for you you voted for violence you you voted for there no not being any rules any longer uh i mean no rules means no rules This is not the game I wanted to play. This is not something that I thought would be a great idea.

But these people are the ones who voted for no rules. So you're getting what you asked for. When you turned, the occupying government turned our country into a polygallat imperial mess where everyone else lives off the labor and capital, social, political, religious, moral capital of the white European. and they've just taken from us to the point where we don't have any extra and now you're getting to deal with the consequences. Like, can you name a single major issue

in America today from drugs to crime to, I mean, foreign policies and mess, we'll talk about that. But, you know, like, this is all downstream of Jewish occupation. Well, when you say... So you're getting what you asked for. Yeah, when you say they voted for no rules,

I mean, that's the worst part of it. You're exactly correct. That is what they voted for because they don't want. What they thought they were voting for, I suspect. What they thought they were voting for was no restrictions. They can just do whatever they want when they want. And I understand where you're coming from, where you're saying they voted for no rules. But I'm being pedantic here for a very specific reason.

I think they voted for no restrictions because they don't understand that civilization requires restrictions. It requires rules. And they can't differentiate the two. they just think I can do whatever I want and the magic will still happen because and it's a very in a way it's a very feminine way of thinking like things just happen we just have phones we just have planes we just have electricity it's like no no we don't I mean well the argument could be made we do have electricity but I mean harness electricity no we don't those things have to be crafted those things have to be built those things have to be manufactured and most of all D to bang a drum that you've been drumming I mean, since I met you, that takes work, that takes time, and most of all, that takes your big word, maintenance. These things don't just fall from the sky, and not only do they not just fall from the sky, they have to be maintained.

It's one thing if the Lord drops manna from heaven and feeds you. It's another if the Lord drops cell phones, and you still have to maintain the network. You still have to, you know, recharge the battery, et cetera. So I think to me, that's really what the sticking point is. These people just are not, they are constitutionally incapable of understanding that these things require maintenance. And that's why everything is falling apart. They are not magic. But we've imported cargo cult cultures that think that if they just make a wicker basket look like an airplane, it'll fly.

I mean, we've basically... been under occupation by a group that doesn't you know they have no loyalties but to themselves and even most of them don't have what would slit each other's throats for for power and for influence so it doesn't really matter you know i've been going over the book against our better judgment by alice and we're on um on my sub stackman keeping it private i released a few episodes publicly but it's just i mean it's one of those books where you read it and you're like it's one of those books people will read and be like, oh, this is just conspiracy theories. It's like, no, they had two, like, radical Zionist Supreme Court judges in, like, the 20s and 30s.

They had secret societies where Jews and Gentiles had to swear an oath of allegiance to them, even over their own families. So that means over their own country, too. And, you know, ever since World War II, which is their, you know, what they need. did in order to get what they wanted, you know, this country in the Middle East that they refused to go to, everything's fallen apart. And I, you know, I have a tendency to be one of those people who believes that civilizations are either going to, all civilizations are going to fail or they're going to have transition, they're going to have transition phases.

I think this is a transition phase and we'll come out on the other side. better. But, you know, we need to understand that we, we've basically, we've been run by people. They've run our banking and our institutions and academia and our entertainment and everything for, you know, close to 80 years now. And until we get past that, until we decide, we decide that we're not going to allow that. Until we decide that we're going to become like them and we're going to organize and be insular and not let other people in, this isn't going to be defeated because politics isn't going to solve it. There is no great man coming to save us. No great man is going to come and save a multicultural something. The only great men you've seen in the past

who've come to save anything have come to save monocultures. There's no great man coming to save us. And not only is there no great man coming, even if he wanted to, like Donald Trump could have been a great man, but he let these, his, I don't know, if he's on the Epstein plane and there's pictures of him with 12-year-old girls or he's just a file a semi, or just a boomer or what? I think those pictures, I think those pictures would have came, the Democrats would have released those pictures in the last four years.

I tend to believe that if they existed, they'd be out there. Well, regardless, right, the correct response. from Donald Trump, if he'd actually listen to his base and done what he wanted to do, or done the right thing, would have been, you know, like we're, we're not supporting Israel. It's genocide in Gaza. We're not supporting, you know, we're not giving the money to blow up Iranian kids. We're not giving them money to blow up Russian kids.

You know, they would have cut off the funding. They would have stopped all that immediately and said, stop this senseless killing and stopped the war. But Donald Trump, you know, to his everlasting shame has done what Woodrow Wilson did and what FDR did and lied about being a pro-piece candidate

in order to get ordinary Americans who are tired of seeing you know specialist John Smith Parkway because a kid from Kentucky got to go get his ass blown off in the Middle East again or something and

those people voted for him hoping he'd stop this and he's done nothing but lie and support these people. And now we're on the verge of World War III. You know, Vladimir Putin is not a stupid man. Maybe not a nice man, but not a stupid man. And the same logistical corridor that supplied 40 divisions worth of food and material from the Caucasus in World War II is being threatened right now

when the United States and Israel go to war with Iran. And you can't threaten him in your country. and Azov, where that's his main outlet to the world ocean and his main source of exports and also threaten Iran, which is his other way to get, you know, out to the world market and then expect them to just take it lying down. Pete, if I threatened to take 40% of your money at a swoop, we'd fight. Well, you can't take four. 40% of China's oil that they get from Iran and expect them to just, like, sit there and take it. This is between the war in Ukraine, which has disturbing, disturbing parallels to the German situation in 1938 and the, you know, attempted destruction of China with tariffs and sanctions and threatening their energy and raw materials, like, we're in the same situation except we're on the,

you know, the other foot this time. And unlike, you know, 1941, we don't have a coherent Christian white population where everyone has seven kids to go, you know,

fight the rest of the world and win. We're in a situation where we have, you know, an insurrection in the southwestern United States. And communist plots, I mean, open communists marching in every street,

in every city in America and you're expecting this to go well this time are you completely high i mean it's the the failure of people like lindsay graham or donald trump to read the room um is possibly i mean one of the worst failures in american political history i mean this is this is a disaster waiting to happen because i can tell you right now um you can't have my boys. My sons are not going to war. I would rather my sons get their arms chopped off than go fight in Iran. This is, uh, and I know that many, many, many other parents feel the same way.

I'm done supporting illegitimate adventurous wars for Israel. We've, we've been at war the entire 21st century just about. and what one of those wars has been for the United States or in the interest of Americans. Yeah, we truly just don't have a country anymore, and people need to get that through their heads. I went so far as on the Pony Express live stream the other day to say, our flag now is the Confederate flag. That's the flag of America. and since 1865, since 1861, it has been.

I mean, we don't have a country anymore. We are, we're not prisoners here because we could leave if we want, but we're definitely, we definitely have to treat ourselves like we're occupied because we are. And really, the only way to get through this is people need to start organizing. You know, however that looks to you, whatever you think is, best. And yeah, I mean, I would not, at this point, I don't know, after everything I've seen this week, I can't tell anybody to go join the military. No, I would say, you know, if you want to do that, go to law school or something like that, because, you know, are people

going to need lawyers more than, more than anything else? Probably in the future. Probably need some people who know how to fight, but there's enough vets out there who know exactly what time it is. So, you know, I think that's where we're at. I think the sooner people realize that there is no more United States of America, and there's only a nation of people. And the quicker people, the quicker individuals will start finding their people. That's that it? Yeah, I agree with the sentiment that the context. Confederate flag is

our, is basically our new flag because the post World War II order in my opinion was probably the final death blow against what remained of like the so-called historic

American nation. It just became the Judeo-American consumer Imperium from that point. And now the challenge of this epoch is to be able to determine who are their friends and then who are our enemies

and build up a polity that can serve as a launch pad for an eventual reconquista of the U.S. from all these interlopers, whether it's the millions of foreign migrants that have been imported by the ruling class and even the treasonous people themselves that have facilitated this.

But it's going to be a slog, but it's best to understand that this Norman Rockwell-style America it's gone, but we can eventually do better and take back this country, but it will require

us to find out how we got to this point, who the people who were that orchestrated this, and continue to undermine what once was a promising pan-European project in the Western

hemisphere and then start to battle because frankly this is not going to be won by just arguments it's going to be won through blood sweat and tears and that's one of the big realizes that many people are going to have to come to grips with and that means also dispensing with false idols and assumptions that we've been conditioned to accept um over the years yeah the four of us can have like disagreements you know we can do politics amongst ourselves or people like us like many people

people that are members of old gory club or if you're in an active club or something we can sit down and we can actually do politics because we don't existentially have differences that cannot be resolved go you know

there was most likely if you're under any major city like there was a there was a no king's protest near you look at those people and tell me what can you do politics with them about? They want to trans kids. They hate you. They hate white people.

They hate America. They hate Western civilization. What can you do politics with them about? Right? Where where you come to sort of reasonable compromise you know Charles thinks the tax rate should be 25% and I think it should be 23% and we compromise in the middle and they can settle on 24% that's politics these people

want you dead and they want to train your kids and think it's funny yeah exactly right there's there's no where there's no as I said earlier you're exactly right that's there's no there's no even hint of a common ground from which to begin let alone to build upon. There's no word even more of the bridge, let alone finish it. And I want to step back to something you said, Jose, because I think it was excellent. I agree with all your points that you raised.

You said moments ago about the Norman Rockwell America. And you touched on something that I like to point out, because again, I try and be very positive. And I understand that I don't want people to be delusional, but I do think we need to hold on to positivity. And I understand that you can't go home again as they see. say. The past is the past and the past is a foreign country. But look at some of these old photographs from La Belle Epoch, you know, the European photos from the late 19th, early 20th

centuries. They aren't paintings. They're photographs. They're real. Look at some of these photographs from 1950, you know, at the drive-thru, the root beer shop. They're real. They're not paintings. Yes, Norman Rockwell painted a lot of that stuff. But remember, he did draw upon real life. These are real. And if they're real, what that's means is somebody built that. Maybe a whole bunch of somebody's. In fact, millions of somebody's built that. But it was real. It was tangible. It existed. These aren't pie in the sky goals like putting a man on Venus or something. Maybe it's possible. Maybe it's not. But nobody's done it yet. But the things you're talking about, Jose, they have been done. And they can be done again. And it may seem like I'm

speaking across purposes here saying that, oh, I just said you can't go back again. No, you can't. But the past can be a template. You can take that and go, hey, how about we build beautiful things again? Only we build them better. You can do that. It's not impossible. Will it take work? Of course.

Will it take a lot of blood? Hey, I'm the one that Pete kindly retweeted recently about blood. Believe me, if anybody knows, I know. Yes, absolutely. But is it possible? 100%. What one man did, another man can redo. Maybe even better.

you know, sometimes we can talk about, oh, Israel attacked Iran, we can talk about no king's protests, we can talk about politicians getting assassinated. But when it comes down to it, what we're really talking about is starting over. And it's important to know what's going on around you for OPSEC purposes, for safety purposes. You know, yeah, you just, you have to know that stuff. But I think at this point, it's more important to know who you are and what you are and what you believe. You know, are you this, you know, do you believe in God?

Do you believe in Christ? Are you a Christian? What are you when it comes to? What do you believe in when it comes to the metaphysical? Okay. What's your ideology? Do you have an ideology at this point? Is it a rigid ideology?

Are you a libertarian who, you know, is, says, if you were to try and do anything, everything's immoral and the borders should be open and, well, you're the enemy. You know, are you, if you're, at this point, you're looking for what your values are, but not only what your values are, but who you are.

And I think one of the biggest problems we have at this point is most people, especially young men and older men and boomers and gen Xers and no one knows who they are. Yes. You know, I heard Carl, I heard Carl Benjamin say recently. He said he was talking about England and he was, you know, people are like, oh, you know, why aren't the English standing up for themselves? You know, why aren't heritage English standing up for themselves?

He's like, because they've reached a point where they hate themselves. Every time they try, they get arrested. I mean, okay, so there's a group over there. Community organizers that are for white Britain by the name of Patriotic Alternative. They've tried like half a dozen times to become a political party and do the political thing. You know, their members have been arrested for putting up stickers and given longer sentences. than people who raped little girls. So every time someone in England or in the UK tries to fight back for their people,

whether it's in the Homeland Party or even Nigel Farage, right, like they, who are, Nigel Farage is a, you know, a Wall Street or a city of London toadie who's not actually an ethnic nationalist or any kind of nationalist at all, really. But, you know, the B&P was prescribed or was destroyed by, you know, the state. The John Tyndall's organization, I can't remember its name now. They're, they're like considered terrorists. If you're a part of that, you go to jail. You know, the English, so the people who rightfully were upset about those girls getting killed by the, you know, supposed Welsh choir boy who was as black,

as Cole. They went to jail for a long time. One by the name Lucy Ledby, I think. She's in jail for a Facebook post. And it's because they're under city of London occupation. And if you're a libertarian

who wants to have open borders like Rand Paul, Rand Paul's just a leftist. He's a disgusting scumbag leftist. Because he doesn't think that your person or your property deserve to be safe from foreign invaders who want to kill you. He can dress it up all he wants in the ethics of private property and hobby and anarcho-capitalism, whatever nonsense he wants to talk about.

But anyone who is for open borders is a disgusting leftist. And they need to be called out on it. Well, I think at this point, you know, you talk about people who are getting thrown in jail and everything like that. we need to start learning from history. How many times has a people gotten to the point where, you know, a bunch of people wake up to what's going on around them and they go, okay, who did this? Who did this? We can't see who did this. Okay.

Yeah, politicians, sure, but they're not doing this. Who did this? And this is what I think the goal for the future is for our people. We have to get to the point where people see things getting better. And they go, wait, who did this? And it's us. We did it. We're the only game in town.

We're the only game in town. And we have to do it in a way where no one knows that we're doing it. You know, I mean, Reagan, you know, Reagan wasn't the, yeah, I mean, I don't think we don't have any Reagan worshippers here, but Reagan once said, you know, it's amazing what you can accomplish if, if nobody's looking to take the credit for it. Just, you don't, people don't have to know you're doing it. You just have to start doing it. and do it and be smart. I mean, how many people still don't know that we're occupied by, you know, we've been occupied by one group for 80 years.

Well, why? It hit pretty good. They also did everything they possibly could to make sure no one could see it. so that people still can't see it, even when it's obvious. So there's your goal. Someone is delusional as Anna Kasparian has just out and said, you know, the U.S. government is rarely occupied territory. Colonel Douglas McGregor was on LifeSight News recently,

which is like the Normie pro-life conservative website, talking about how all the wars are started by Jews. I mean, basically, right? Like, it's broken containment. Just Apolitano I'm constantly about it all the time. I mean, you can't. I mean, how would Douglas McGregor not know?

His son was just on my show talking about it. Yeah. I mean, there are, here's what, when people take over, when you have a group that takes over, one of the things they historically do is they slay the princes. Not always, literally, but sometimes literally. But that blood doesn't go away. That blood has memory in it.

And sometimes those princes wake up and go, wait a minute, I'm supposed to be in charge. And then they start opening their eyes and they start seeing it. I think we've actually seen a lot of that. I'm not going to go into, I don't want to get deep into it because I'd rather people think for themselves about things like this. But I think a lot of people are waking up to the fact that, wait a minute, I think I'm supposed to be in charge here.

I think my people are supposed to be in charge here. And, you know, it's just a matter of how they're going to try and do it. If they try and do it through Washington, D.C., they're going to fail. yeah well Washington DC for less 80 years at least has been the whole point of the system has been to disenfranchise heritage Americans particularly white fathers like it's designed that way to disenfranchise the sorts of people that should be in charge well yeah it's killing the princess just like Pete said it's killing the princess maybe not literally well in many ways ways literally, but in that sense, that's absolutely what it is. It's breaking the line. It's breaking the line of succession so that they can step in its place. That's exactly what it is. And I think it's very eerie, Pete, that you mentioned about people don't even know who they are. Longtime readers of my blog, 80 proof ointamancy, will know that I have a post, God, from back from 2015, 2016,

I'll have to hunt it down. Where I talk about exactly what you're saying. And at the time, it was like 10 years ago, I wrote it. And it said, I say that if you're, under the age of, I want to say, I said, 60 or 70 at that time. I said, you have no idea who you are. You were raised on television. You were raised on magazines. You were one of the first multimedia generations. You have no idea who you are, none. You need to sit down. You need to take a piece of paper and you fold it in half vertically, fold it in half, and then separate it again. And write down everything that you think you are on the left side. And then take a real honest stock of everything you are, really are on the right side. And

And then make it make sense. Drop what you don't like, add what you do like. Put the work in. So I agree with you 100% Pete. That's also why I said in my first book, I said that there's a paradox in the Manosphere. Again, this is written years ago. But I said, the paradox in the Manosphere is this.

It's that you enter trying to get girls and you leave not giving a shit because you realize that there's so much more important things out there that women will come along once you realize your mission, once you understand who you are as a man and what you're on this earth to do. And that's one of the reasons that throughout all the Manistphere stuff, I was the one guy that said, stop trying to pick up girls with techniques, just learn who you are. Well, then girls won't like me. Who cares? You don't want those girls anyway if they don't like you. Believe me, if you are who you are, you're confident, you're assertive, you trust in yourself, you can handle your business, there will be a woman somewhere, sometime that will come along and hitch

her wagon to you. It's going to happen. And as Dee likes to say, you know, if you can't get laid, you can't run my organization. You can't have a leadership in my position in my organization. So all of this is interconnected. So I side with you, Pete, 100%. You have to know who you are. And by being honest with yourself, knowing who you are as a man, then you can attract like-minded people. And as a benefit, not a downside, as a benefit, you will repel people unlike you, which you want to do. You don't want them in your area. You don't want communists. You don't want pederasts. You don't want them there. So by knowing who you are, by establishing that, by learning it, and also having the humility to understand your own weaknesses, having the modesty

and the humility to go, okay, you know what, I'm good at X, Y, and Z, but I'm crap at A, B, and C. I need people that could help me with that. And understanding that as a man, that you're going to need help, you can't do everything on your own. You can't. Sure, you shouldn't mooch off of people and beg people and make them fight your battles for you. But there's nothing wrong with saying, I need a tribe. I need other people to help me get through this. That's how you survive.

That's how you thrive. No man is an island. I've learned that over my course of my life. And I doubt there's a man in this conversation that hasn't learned likewise. It's also important to be able to recognize people around you who speak the same language that you do, say the same things, notice the same things you do, who aren't your people. Because that's something I see all the time. If anyone who's on social media will know this. There are people who seem like the most natural of allies.

But then when you, like, really drill down into it, you know, if you're someone like myself who, you know, has a podcast or has a voice and is out there, they're waiting for you to fuck up so they can pounce on you. They're waiting for you to, they're waiting to tell you where you're wrong. They're waiting to, if you made a prediction and it didn't come true, they're waiting to tell you and let you know, you know, publicly. you know, when I have a problem, if I had a problem with one of you guys, I just contact you privately and go, can we talk about this? People don't know how to do that anymore. They, they, because of social media, especially, because they know that if they can be very feminine and, you know, like backbite and be catty, they can get a lot of attention. They maybe even get some followers and they maybe even, you know, get some virtual high fives.

it really comes down to, you know, what Thomas talks about. It's like you're looking for a vanguard. And those are the people you keep the closest to you. And, you know, there are also people who are, they're not going to have time to be part of the vanguard. And they could be part of the vanguard. There are people who are just literally good people who just don't have what it takes to be part of the vanguard.

And you have no problem having those people around too, but you don't have as much time for them as you do for the vanguard. you don't have as much time as the inner as the inner circle and yeah i mean it goes i mean i think it's getting it's like i think it's at the point now where it is really really easy to see who the enemy is you know who the enemy is i mean you could you know it a heartbeat it's getting harder and harder to figure out who that enemy is that is in your orbit that you may have to be like get the get away from me Go ahead, Jose, if I talk too much.

Go ahead, Jose. I think it boils down to just adapting to the new circumstances because I recall Charles saying that he now tends to find more people that he's aligned with, like, online. And that's just, like, the new reality. Because whenever I go out in proverbial meat space, I just feel like I'm on a different planet. like I feel like I'm like an extraterrestrial life form that's among a bunch of people that are just not on the same wavelength as myself.

So we have to adapt and find out who are like actual tribe is because it's coming to the point where these battle lines are going to be drawn very soon. And if we, um, if we remain, if you operate like an atomized individual, you, will not only likely not survive, but you're also reinforcing the system that we live in that encourages and fosters atomization because that's how the game goes. Like the atomization is just like the end stage of the divided and rule type of dynamic

that has permeated across the system and it's designed in that way so that you've effectively become depoliticized, depressed, and eventually just wiped out of the gene pool altogether. And I can't stress this enough about trying to build a community of people that are already on your side, that are part of your tribe, because we've been told that being part of a tribe is a bad thing for the longest time, that you have to, like, embrace all perspectives and all this stuff. And this kind of thinking is what will lead to our civilizational decline.

And if we want to preserve our culture, we actually have to like tribe up. We actually have to champion the positive contributions of white European civilization and find people who are willing to do this because time is precious. And at this point, I don't want to waste time engaging with normies. I don't want to waste time engaging with people that will never even give you the time a day. It's best to focus our resources on improving yourself. your family and other people that are aligned with you that could like actually benefit from interacting with you because um we have to not only invest in ourselves but also invest in our community and stop giving like our money and time and effort to organizations and institutions

that seek to destroy us depoliticize us or just uh divide us and instead actually put it towards causes that align with our goals Just to just to reiterate, let me reiterate one thing, Charles and I'll let you go. Just I'll be real quick. You were talking about individualism and how they drive you to be individuals and be deracinated. I think if you look 15 years ago when people were flea, were a lot of people were attracted to libertarianism. And then as time went by and Trump, you know, the whole thing about Trump's not, the man Trump is not important. And you started seeing more people leave libertarianism. And then after

2020, it's like, I mean, pretty much anybody who's still flying the libertarian banner, I really just don't know what to do with them. But you see now that more, especially a lot of young people are not, are more interested in a collectivizing than they were 15 years ago where everybody was like, well, we, you know, be a radical individual. And let's Let's end the Fed and everything like that. No, it's like now people are like, no, I've got to find my tribe. So thankfully, I think that we're getting past that. And we just really have to keep pushing that, pushing the collectivizer die kind of message

because it would be real easy to fall back into that individual bullshit again. Yeah, well, I think a good sign of that is Jose was at a recent conference that was put on by the political cesspool. and I'm curious to hear what he has to say but I listened to the broadcast last week and it sounded like it was a great time but I think something we have to we have to cure ourselves of is this notion that we're the outsiders

we're the baddies like no our positions are the same ones most everyone who's a conservative believes we believe we believe in things like degeneracy is bad and drugs are bad for you

and people who deal drugs to kids should go to jail and people who murder babies should go to jail and like borders should be real and people should be safe in the street and homeless schizophrenics should be put in mental hospitals and we're not the outsiders, we're not the dissidents, we're the same party, you know? And Lindsey Graham with his like,

Holden Blood V's like, just let me, let me, you know, let me kill Iranians, please. he's lowered one more time before it like that's that's insane that's that's literally crazy these these people that spend more time worrying about whether Israel is safe when whether people in their thing can walk in their major cities downtown if you're a senator from south carolina and you don't care about the fact that people can't be in charleston and be safe and you care more about televia than you do about charleston you're a psychopath I know that you can't get into specifics and everything about what DE just mentioned.

Maybe you can give an overview or as much as you as much as you can about the conference you just went to. Yeah, I haven't been to really any political conferences almost like in years. I think the last time I went to something was actually pre-COVID. I've been pretty reclusive politically speaking in terms of meeting other people. But when I went to that conference, I was definitely impressed because people have clearly moved on from the typical libertarian, Reaganite, even like Bushite politics. There was a pretty big boomer cohort, but these people were much more radicalizing and talking about stuff that mattered, like race, Jewish, inflation. all that. Some people still believe that there is like a political

solution like say at the DC level but from the people I was talking to you could sense like these people were already to just fight back against all the prevailing narratives you see in the political space and there were also some Europeans in

attendance who did not mince any words whatsoever in terms of the racial conflict they were saying and in fact I kind of like them a bit more because they don't have a lot of the neoliberal capitalist baggage. They understood full well that this fight is not just a fight against state institutions, but also corporate institutions as well that have led to the emissoration and absolute demographic destruction of the white European races.

And there were some former politicians and attendants who have also come to see the light on these issues but it wasn't just only older generation there was a lot of young people there in attendance that knew what the score was and i was able to gather some good contacts and maintain ties with them and for once i actually felt like when i was there i was among people of similar intellectual caliber and curiosities in addition and in addition to the same political goals for the most part and um that like that forum was one of the few forums where sure there would be political disagreements on strategy but I felt that I was among like my people as opposed to going to these events like when I go outside to like meetups or whatever to people that I just when I listen

to them talk I just want to like just fall asleep or just leave the like venue almost immediately just out of disgust but um at the political cesspool event I actually felt like one with that audience and the participants and speakers excellent I just want to draw a couple points that you raised, Jose, that again, I want to kind of riff off of. I want to say that you were talking about the atomization, and I'll just TLDR it right now, so I don't rehash everything you said already quite eloquently. I'll just read it, just say the TLDR on it is, it's a feature, not a bug. And I think you're absolutely right in saying that it was part of the plan to atomize people. And I do stand by everything that I said about the internet, and I think you did a great

thing by going to that conference, trying to meet people and meeting people that. or of like minds, and it's obvious that you reap the benefits of it because you said you felt at home. And I would say that that's one of the things that we, I like to give people actual means of doing something. If I'm going to come on programs and talk about what's wrong, I try and give the best solutions that I can offer. Obviously, I can't give everybody a magic wand to fix everything, but I try and give people directions in which to head, a path on which to set foot and start moving. And I would say use your online communities as a touchstone to go to kind of reference lightly what Dee said, to let you know, to remind you, you're not the crazy one.

Yes, there are more locusts than lions, but that doesn't make the locusts correct. So just use the internet as a touchstone. Hey, I'm not crazy here. I've got a bunch of guys that agree with me. I'm all right. You use that to keep your head on straight, to keep your confidence up. And then you go out in the real world and you try and meet people, you try and talk to people, you try and build bridges, you try and meet people and try and get them, get to see where they are and learn them in real space. Now, obviously, don't jeopardize your job by doing dumb shit, but I mean, do try and see if you can put a little bit of a foot out there and let other people feel comfortable to put their foot out there.

So they can start revealing who they are. And that's how the game works. And obviously it has to be slow, it has to be deliberate, and obviously play it wisely. Gentle as doves, wise as serpents, as the Bible says. But somebody has to step first. And if you can do it without too much risk, I recommend you do it. But always keep your online crew, your online friends to help keep you on the straight and narrow path. And then just do what you can in meet space using the Internet as a mental refuge, as an intellectual refuge.

That's all I wanted to say on that part, gentlemen. well you know to just really i'll i'll set you guys off with this and i'll bring up some current a current event um so that to build a little bit off what we're talking about so i mean thinking that there's going to be any dc solutions so trump has since 2015 talked about you know immigration and, you know, allegedly there's a Department of Remigration. Well, unless it's not being reported, it doesn't seem like a lot of that is happening. And then you look at what happened in L.A., which I think might have a little more to do with the warrants that were being, that were supposed to be served, which has something to do with

money laundering and trafficking and then basically the cartels and then i think the NGOs took it as a as a chance to mobilize and do all this was a direct threat to them i mean tom longo is uh lots of things but a fool in one of them and dave column also who regularly appears on um coffee in my podcast that both peter and i have been on um these people all fuck kids I mean, that's what they do. And if Dave Collum or Tom Longo tell you publicly, these people fuck kids, they have enough resources to where a point, if they couldn't back it up, they'd be sued and they know it.

So the fact that they haven't been sued ought to tell you something. Yeah. And one thing, one other thing I'll bring up is the fact that if immigrants, and re-migration is the most important thing. I think everyone on this panel is willing to suffer financial problems to get rid of these people. There may be some problems. There may be some things may shut down. We all have.

I literally lost an INS career. I literally lost an INS career. trying to stop this. Yes, the answer to that is a resounding yes. Please continue. But then you have Donald Trump who is like, okay, well, you know, we have to stop this because we need people to pick, pick fruit, pick vegetables, do this, do that. They still don't get it. This is still a financial zone. This is still an open-air strip mall. This is still a financialized nation where we don't make anything anymore. We may grow stuff, but it's not like we grow stuff.

I mean, these are corporations who are growing stuff. A lot of them owned by foreigners, and then they import foreigners to come and pick the stuff because there's no minimum wage for that. And someone like the political class still doesn't get it. They still think that the economy is more important than 40. to 50, I mean, I was hearing somebody talk about 80 million people who don't belong here, who shouldn't be here. And that just doesn't seem as important to some people as the GDP, which is fake and gay,

or whether their return on investment on their stock portfolio is going to look like. They don't care anymore. They don't care. So you're, you're going to have to figure this all out. And you can't do it by yourself. You're going to have to do it with other people. But yeah, I mean, this whole thing of, you know, you go to, you know, I live in a very small town, pretty much you start recognizing. After you live here for a couple of years, start recognizing people, you know everyone.

But I go to the big city of 25,000 that's, you know, a half, half an hour north of me. and you just look and you're like, I don't think any of these people are legal. I don't think any of these people are legal. I don't think any of these people are born here. I don't think any of these people have a green card. I don't think. And it's like,

that's like that everywhere. Yeah, I hear stories of people who go into the coldest parts of this country. And it's like, yeah, A jeet owns the gas station. A jeet owns the hotel. I mean, it's like, wait, what? It's like, how,

this didn't happen by accident. So look how much you have to reverse. And obviously, somebody thinks there's no rush. So it's going to have to be, it's going to be up to us, guys. Hate to say it. You might have to do something. Well, not only we have to do something,

but also I think that something that Jose touched on briefly, but I think is worth expanding on. And I said this many years ago, when I was still a lot on Twitter but the only people who are having any kind of conversation that matters at all talking about any real issues

or on my side of what Zeman calls the Great Defy know what everyone else is just you know building castles in air and there is no point in talking to Normies they'll just do what they're told

2020 tells you as clear as anything that being free and knowing the truth there's too much work for most people and they'll just take what they're given and do what power tells them. So among the people who actually do stuff and get stuff done,

you know, our arguments have run the table. It's only people who are, you know, I mean, Mossad has probably some truly appalling picks of Lindsey Graham And that's why he does what he does. But he knows his arguments are all nonsense. Talk to me more about our sacred Republican judiciary. You know, no king's people when, you know, republics are supposed to be societies full of equal citizens

that are all taxpayers and princes. But, like, talk to me about 30% of the population that, you know, they don't work. They commit a lot of crime. They don't pay taxes. what is it what do they cost over their lifetime Charles every African in America is like a negative $750,000 debit on the treasury yep and every

yeah I mean like $580,000 every yeah 580,000 yeah yep yep yeah it's insane it's right so absolutely tell me about about you know how we're all supposed to be citizens of a republic right we're supposed to sit here and have a debate where you know these people who just cost money oh no kings how about no opinions well yeah like that's that's the yeah that's the thing right like okay no kings well then that means somebody's got to fill the vacuum somebody going to step up and do it one of the things i've learned in my old age that i wish i learned a long time ago and i'll try and put an old head on young shoulders

to your audience out there pete like you need to go for power You need to. Even if you don't want to, as a matter of fact, like the Tao De Ching basically says, the guy who deserves to rule is the one you have to drag kicking and screaming to the throne. You want to get power because if you don't take it, some psychopath will. And I made that mistake recently in my life. I'm older. I've already been through a lot. It's like, oh, you know, I didn't want the headaches. And now I'm having a ton of, a crap ton of problems at work because a psychopath did get the promotion. And now I got out of work for him. And now everybody's miserable.

That's like, well, why didn't I just go for the power myself? At least I know I'm not a psychopath. And that's the problem that we're encountering with these, the no king's movement. And then other people that just kind of want to live to go along and get along. Because if you don't get power, a power hungry person will. And you don't want them to have it. And to step back to your point earlier, Pete, about growing things about what do we, what do we grow here? What do we do? It's all companies. literally around the corner from my property, literally around the corner, I've sent photos of it to D on the side, is a weed farm. And it's owned by the CCP. It's owned by them. It's run by

illegals. And this is the economy I'm supposed to want to see grow. Like, are you kidding me? And I fled New Jersey where my place in my birth, where everything, even this is in the early 90s. This is how long this has been going on. More than 30 years. Everything was already owned. Every gas station was already owned by Indians or Pakistanis or whatever. And it's like, wait, this is the GDP I'm supposed to worry about. I'm supposed to want these people to prosper? What?

Why? I'm sorry. Why do I need to hold that up? That's insane. Why do I want to see that grow? Oh, hey, here's a cyst. You want to see it grow further, don't you? Absolutely not.

Yeah. I mean, it's, it's like, uh, rooting for the cancer because it's growth. I mean, in some specific cases, like in case of Joe Biden or John McCain, I'll root for the cancer. But, you know, that's, that's, um, you know, like this is not a healthy thing. And I, and, and pretending that we can get along with or negotiate with these, uh, these occupiers is, it's crazy. Their entire their entire livelihood, their entire life

is dependent upon occupying us. Whether it's the homosexuals or the Zionists or you know the dependent populations in the United States, their entire life is dependent on us not doing anything while they suck our blood.

Well, you know, the occasional bite of a mosquito is annoying but when you're told like, no, you have to run around naked in the, you know, the swamp in the summertime so all the messengers can feast on you or you're a bad person.

Most people are going to go, no, that's okay. Put on some bug spray and start slapping some bugs. Yeah, I would like to stress a point here with regards to the comments of the challenges of restricting immigration.

One issue, I think that we have seen emerge post World War II is people's obsession with all these upper middle class comforts and especially in the present with having like reliable Uber Eats deliveries and all this stuff that is largely the result of this economy that is becoming heavily reliant on foreign mass migration. and also with people who rely on mass migration to boost their property values, like the current homeowners and all of that. At some point, people have to think beyond kind of like their upper middle class lifestyles and be prepared to make sacrifices because your posterity, your race, all that is more important than the leasures that you have enjoyed thanks to globalization, which has caused countless other people working class people most notably to be living very precarious lifestyles

and that's why there is a need for actual racial solidarity now not politics that's motivated by just economic self-interest we have to start thinking beyond that we have to actually think about preserving like the culture the history of our people more so than people's 401ks and other stuff like that because that's how we're in this mess by becoming economic reductionist robots that only care about our immediate desires and all that. That's part of breaking out of the de-rassinated individual framework that we've been forced into. That's been sold to us. I don't think a lot of people haven't, you ever been forced into it.

But when, you know, it's the only message you receive, then, you know, it's also the best message that a group that practices incredible in-group preference can have for every other group saying, you know, or, you know, they'll preach it to other groups, but those are only other groups that they can control and they can use as golems against the, against the historically more powerful group, which are white. European Christians who, you know, conquered pretty much everything they've put their mind to. Oh, I was just going to say that, Jose, you're talking about the economic reductionism, and it just kind of struck me as funny. You're absolutely right. This isn't to disagree. I wasn't laughing at your point. I was laughing at the reality of it because I sort of, in my head, I mentally put your statements along with things that D has been. been drilling into my head for a very long time, and I'm grateful for it, which is Shelly v. Kramer. Dee, I'm sure you know I've referenced this with you all the time, both on and offline.

But the thing that I'm bringing together here with your statement, Jose and with D's, is all these people are like, oh, well, my property's worth a lot of money. Well, why is your property worth a lot of money? Like everybody in this room knows why some properties are worth a lot of money and others aren't. Yeah, we can pick the outliers like, oh, it's on a lake, or oh, it's in Malibu, or oh, it's on the Pacific Northwest, and you can see the ocean from the cliffside. It's like, okay, yeah, those are the outliers. But what's the real reason a property is worth any money or not? The demographics around it.

So what does it matter if your property's worth a lot? if you just live in a nicer area. I mean, if you live with people that are like you, if you can walk safely to the store. Because I'll be 100% honest with everybody in this room and everybody that's listening to Pete show. I would have never left the neighborhood that I was living in in Philadelphia.

Never. If it had been what it was in the 1970s and very early 1980s, which was a poor Polish immigrant neighborhood. Why? It was safe. It was clean. Hell, you could eat off the streets. I know my grandmother got a local metal for keeping it so clean and neat. Was it poor? Sure. Was everybody there a factory worker? Sure. But nobody was blaring a radio at 4 o'clock in the morning. It wasn't mariachi music playing in

front of my house out of a car speaker. There wasn't a bar letting out every other night with a shooting. There weren't people getting killed on my front steps. And no. Oh, okay, so it was poor. I didn't give a shit. Good. My mortgage was cheap, but it was still safe. It was still clean. And I'm like, that's why your statements make me laugh.

Yeah. Yeah, like, I'm poor. You take over. You get one, yeah. No, well, this is, this is important. I was on a different show this morning. I'll come out tomorrow on Sunday with a guy who's younger than me and a guy that's older than me.

We're talking about three generations of failure. You know, Gen X, millennials like me, I'm right on the edge of being a millennial. And then I was talking with another, there's a Zoomer friend. You know, we're talking about three generations of guys that the system has completely failed, disenfranchised, economically destroyed. You know, destroyed our relationship prospects with feminism and or made them much more precarious, right? And this notion that we should just suck it up at either. It's like, well, why should this house, what's wrong with being poor and still being treated with some dignity and some respect from society? Kings were poor compared to average people in America now.

Yes. You know, Louis the 14th didn't have aspirin. You know, Louis, he didn't have NyQuil when he had a gold, right? Like, we're talking about what's wrong with why don't ordinary people deserve the respect of, you know, you show up, you go to work, you're fighting the wars, you come home, you have a couple kids, you go to church on Sundays, you put a 20 in the plate every now and again. Why don't those people deserve respect? And the answer is, is that the people who took over a society aren't the people who ever do anything. You know, maybe, probably somebody like Jamie Diamond or, um, a pitcher Jerome Powell, maybe not his father.

But his grandfather got dirty. And he remembers that. And he respects people who do that sort of thing. But, you know, I keep telling people to listen to Pete's stuff Pete's doing, but everyone really, really, really needs to listen to the 200 years together that he's been doing with Dr. Matthew Raphael. Johnson. These people that occupy us now literally revolted

because they were told to, like, grow food. Because they were told, we can't work for a living. So how can they respect people who just, like, I would be okay. I don't want to be rich. I just don't want to get screwed. I'd be perfectly happy living in a lower middle class Catholic neighborhood like what Dr. Michael Jones talked about in slaughtered cities where my kids could go to a decent

school subsidized by the parish and my mass was good and my neighbors were all people I went to church with I'd be in heaven but we're not allowed to have any of that because any source of solidarity for us, whether it's economic or social or religious or even just friends

on the internet we can't have that either because it's a source of solidarity that these people hate. We're literally a threat to them. We're literally a threat to them. Because we know how to build shit. We don't just parasitize. We're not just parasites on everyone else.

They can't grow stuff. People are like, oh, you know, Israel is not an ethnostitute. state they have there are Arabs who are citizens yet they're there to work they're there to do the manual labor that you can't do we know this the couple that you put in your government just so that the world can sit you can point to them and go see see we we allow them to have a say too yeah some of us know what this is yeah i mean we just haven't figured out the fact that we can defeat them. We can defeat them just by being who we are because we don't want to be who we are anymore.

It's become too easy. Life's become too easy. And, you know, people say all the time, well, you know, no one's going to do anything. No one's going to want to demand change. No one's going to go out there and do things until they get hungry. it's like it won't get you know when you're hungry it's a little late you need to start doing that now and I don't know how long I've been preaching this but I mean it's before COVID and COVID came along it's like yeah you need to start doing stuff now how much more obvious is I mean what else has

to happen that you are not going to put that group together that is going to be the one to get you through this and to build what comes next and to not only for yourselves but for the people around you now is the time to build what comes next and I'm not talking about only for you you have a chance to be on the ground floor of it, but people still just either waiting for, a lot of it's just people are waiting for someone else to do it. That's why they still think they're still waiting for someone in Washington to save them. They still think their vote is sacred. They still want to complain about the 2020 election. And when I talk about the 2028 election, what I tell people

is, yeah, I hear everybody thinking that, you know, J.D. Vance is going to be the vice is going to the vice president now is just going to be elected again and it will be elected in 2028 to continue what to get you all the great change that's happening or have I said about 28 if they just want to they'll just steal the election again why are you putting your faith in elections the only people putting their faith in elections are people who are either way too comfortable and feel like they can't really be touched or people who are just too fucking lazy to do anything differently. Sorry, my opinion.

You can hate me for it, but I'm not wrong. How is any election where huge numbers of parasites who never contribute to the tax rolls committed a ton of crime and or like here legally a legit election?

Like, just on the on the census question right like the county legals towards the census that gives california at least two or three extra house members gives texas extra house members and because it's frozen at 535 or right or 435 it's it's you're stealing from iowa and nebraska and you know missouri and the white parts of those places too so how is that legit? Why should third and fourth generation ghetto dwellers in Philadelphia or Baltimore

get to vote? How does how is that citizens of republic? If you guys, you know, go back and listen to Pete's disquisition on civil government by John Calhoun. Citizens of republics have to be contributing members with skin in the game. in order for a republic to function. Yeah. I mean, it's funny when you read disquisition, you're like, I think people who don't realize what he's saying think, oh, he's very naive about how government should work. He's working with an ought.

Well, he's not working with an, the ought that he's working with is the ought that basically the country was founded upon. is that white Europeans, basically all the same, basically people who are the same people. A lot of them are probably seventh and eighth cousins, you know. And then when people, you know, talk about Calhoun and they're like, you know, how great he was or anything, I always try to pass along to them his letter about the Mexican-American War, where he said, don't get in a war with Mexico. You're going to end up having Mexicans brought into the United States, and these people are not like us. What was that?

1848, day? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, not only did he predict that, but like the ought that he was talking about, you know, This is the thing that you guys all say that you want. Like, okay, when you say you want to go back to the Constitution, what do you mean? Do you mean the Constitution prior to being it being hijacked by a criteria in Marlboro is Madison? Do you mean the Constitution prior to, you know, 1861 and Mr. Lincoln's invasion?

Do you mean the post-Civil war constitution before the New Deal? I mean, which, because, you know, the one where Negroes couldn't vote. I mean, when you say the Constitution, what do you mean? You know, like, you're going to have to be the person who's responsible, okay? If you're listening to this program, I'm sorry, you're the one who's got the agency and the understanding to understand this. And most people are just going to do what they're told. Okay. One of the reasons that the Germans were successful in 1933 is they made people be proud again.

And we have nothing to be proud of because we produce crap. and we don't give anyone any stake in society. You're going to have to figure out how to do that again. Yeah, I think Charles. Well, just on the point there, I mean, that's about what you were saying, but to tie up what Dee just said with what you'd said earlier, Pete,

we just have to find out who we are again and get and reclaim it. Nobody's going to do it for us and we have to do it. But that'll be our burden. And I think we can do it. And I think we're well up to the task. And I think something else to keep in mind, because I'm a capital R romantic heart, I've talked about this with Jason Moranchuk more than once, one of the benefits of being where we are now. And I don't mean specifically we as in the men in this room necessarily.

I just mean in general. Where we are now as a people, Heritage Americans, is we have the chance to be legends. This is where it all starts. This is the time to act because that's what we're. we need now. Like Machiavelli wrote, goals have to be as if they're a target in archery. You always aim a little higher than your target. So that way when the arrow falls, you still strike true. So we need legends. We need romance, capital R. Now's the time to do that. Now's the time to have people

100 years from now write about you, make a song about you, make up shit that you probably didn't even do. But it sounds good and it pushes people to move forward. and to fight for what they value. So that's one of the benefits that we have right now. And that's one of the benefits of being a prime mover is doing things like that. And maybe I've made zero difference in my life. That's quite possible. But I can tell you I was one of the first guys in the Manosphere and I was one of the first guys in the dissident right. And I'm going to be one of the first guys in whatever comes next. Maybe nobody gives a shit about me. That's fine. But I'm going to go to my grave knowing that I moved, that I did something, that I didn't wait for somebody else

to do it. I did what I could. And that's why I'm always pushing listeners to do what you can. I've never once put unreasonable expectations on anybody. Never, not one time. I've kept it simple. If all you can do is make a new friend, make a new friend. If all you can do is go to the gym, go to the gym. Do something. Move the ball forward. Because it's going to take a new friend. It's going to all of us. And if all of us do that, then we all get to the end goal. Yeah, anything I'll say.

Yeah, I think that people are going to have to move beyond their comfort zone as well. It's going to take superhuman acts of will to actually restore order

in this polity. And it will require as Charles said, like people actually have to become legends. can't just be spectators anymore you can't wait for other people to do the work for you you have to like take it upon yourself to start building like the future that you want to see for for tomorrow and um yeah there's no easy way out because ultimately those who like the lazy man will end up doing double if not triple the work if they try to pursue shortcuts it's going to be a long slog and people have to be mentally prepared.

They have to make actual sacrifices and kind of, I'd say, almost dejudiize their mindset in a way because we have been living in a Judeo-American order where we expect the big red line to go up through very little labor and rely on speculative finance for our livelihood. We actually need to start creating stuff, institutions, organizations, new infrastructure projects, technology you name it and the first step is to like actually be ready to make sacrifices and build something that goes beyond you're also going to have to just basically take aside you know i i watch people try to straddle the middle you know i um i'm thinking Thursday night two nights ago, Israel sent a whole bunch of bombs into Tehran.

Tehran is a residential area, it's a city, and obviously people died. Well, Iran retaliated, and, you know, if you go on Twitter right now, you'll see Jews and Zionists and Shabas Kloy saying that Iran is committing war crimes right now. Oh, God, they're attacking on. You've leveled Gaza. Shut the fuck off. They literally cry out and pain as they strike you. And that's exactly what this is.

And if you're one of these people who like looks at that and says, well, that's just two sand tribes and everything and screw both of them, I'm not, no. No, you're weak. You're really weak. And you were taught to do that. And guess who taught you to do that? The one who started it on Thursday, you know, it was like, oh, we got to go bomb them because they may have a nuclear weapon. Okay, so the only country in the world that's ever used nuclear weapons is us. I mean, I guess that makes sense that, you know, if China wanted to attack us because, you know, we have nuclear capabilities, that would make sense, right?

Because, I mean, we use them. As far as I know, Iran doesn't even have one. I don't even know if they have the capability to have one. They actually declared a fatwa against making nuclear weapons. But, you know, just something that simple, something that simple to look and go, I know it's 7,000 miles away. But one of those groups controls our government and has controlled our society, education system, banking, entertainment, government, for,

80 years. Oh. And somehow. Zog. Zoroastrian occupied government. Yeah. Yeah. It's obviously it's Iran and Qatar that is to blame for all this.

Yeah. So yeah. It's like, oh, I do see that, Pete. I've listened to you talk about, you know, against our better judgment and how it was this grand plot designed in back room. with special pledges that got Israel. And I know that they have overwhelming, but I just can't.

They're going against somebody that I've been told by Jews are my sworn enemy. And I just don't want, no, no, you're a fence sitter. Don't want anything to do with you. Sorry, you're not on my side. If you cannot take a side in this, You're not going to be able to take my side when it comes down to it. So, yeah, stop with the bullshit and how about grow the fuck up?

Act like a fucking man. Because all throughout history, when existential crises happen, men have to decide, okay, this is a dialectic. I'm on this side. I don't care that somebody else created the dialectic. I have to pick a side that best suits my survival, my family survival, and my people's survival. Grow the fuck up. That's right. And choose a side.

Well, and not only that, but pretending to be above it all as undo or pretending that there's not a side, you're just helping our enemies. There is no, right now, there's one group of people randomly. starting a belligerent war with their neighbors all of their neighbors the people who ceded

control of the southwestern United States to the point where Los Angeles is a foreign occupied city that are responsible for the mass immigration

into the UK that leads to little girls getting raped there it's all the same group of people and it's not the Zoro rastrians these people couldn't couldn't survive without our money

and our blood so deny them as much as you can and choose to fight them as much as you can. Because unless you fight them, nothing's going to change. And that's intolerable. I know we've only been going an hour and a half. We usually do this for a long time.

But so I'll open it up to you guys. Is there any subject that anybody has on their mind that they'd like to discuss? Because I think we have, Charles, you got a little bit longer, right? Yeah, yeah, a little bit. I'm just not feeling well. So I think I'm burning up the last bit of my reserves, but I'm happy to hang in there as long as you need me to. All right.

Has anybody got anything? No, I mean, I think we've covered it. I mean, like, you know, the infrastructure stuff is going to get worse. Is the population gets the browner and less competent? You know, and it's all downstream of, you know, our occupied government. And your only ops right now are the people who are in charge. of our government. You know, Thomas is right about this stuff.

The only people that you have to politically move against are the people occupying our government because every other problem is downstream of them. Every single one. 100%. I, I, people, it's very simple. And I think the problem that people, a lot of people have when Thomas says,

that is that we could all of the other problems that you black crime immigration everything you just have to solve the one problem you need heritage americans running the country again and you need to expel the influence that basically is set on destroying us as parasitic yada everything and until that happens a lot and a lot of those people are in europe too by the way europe is declared war on us they want to see us dead too, you know, and a lot of white Europeans have decided to side with our enemies against us. So take that into consideration, too. I've had people tell me, you can't criticize white people because they're just under the influence of Jews. And I'm like, so they have no agency whatsoever? Yeah, I mean, if they kill somebody, they're not, you know,

for, I mean, come on. Let's stop here. we have enemies you have to know who they are you have to be able to identify them you have to know how they work you have to know what they do and once you do that then you can figure out ways around it or through it or even to be able to fight it until then you're pretty much just stuck in Zog World. I'm not in Zog World anymore. My head's not there. I know who they are. I'm going to keep talking about them because I want to see more people who agree with me who share my values wake up. And I want my people to, I want more of our people to come to us. There will be, there's no, I don't believe in strength in numbers when it comes to politics because it's always a

small little group that dominates, but also we have to be able to take that small little group thing and bring it into the real world for us. Have the vanguard, have another group of people, have a nice group of people who can, I don't know, maybe we're all going to have to, maybe a bunch of people are going to have to move to a certain, you know, move to a certain place and, you know, maybe that's the way it works out. I know people who are doing that already, But they're not announcing it. They're not bragging about it. They're not saying, oh, we're going to have this white ethnic state over here, white ethno state over here.

And, yeah, they're not doing that. You have to do something at this point. Or else you're just, if you may feel, yeah. If you're a listener to this program, particularly if you're a white male under the age of 40, you're the guy who's supposed to be in charge. you're the guys you're supposed to be running your state legislator and be a senator in 15 years and you're the guy you're supposed to be a CEO and I understand that you've been systematically maliciously frozen out. Believe me, I get it. All four of us here have paid a price for doing what we do. All four of us are significantly poorer than we should be for doing what we do. But find your guys. Whether that's an active club or the old glory club, which is exploiting in growth or something else, find a group of guys that will have your back and be solid and then use that because the state's capital S does state is not going to be reliable into the future. It's not going to function.

it's not functioning now look at all the you know the power outages and i mean it's it's getting easier and easier for hackers to just take that stream yard got taken down the other day from what i understand and it's i mean you know we had lightning here that took down so it took down a tree it took almost 24 hours to to get the power back on here i mean it's it's it's it's It's everywhere. It's everywhere. And unless we step up and, you know, figure out how to do things, these things on our own and make sure people are trained up on how to do these things, it's going to go to people who have, you know, two standard deviation IQ less than us and, you know, who, you know, can't tell you how they'd feel if they didn't eat breakfast this morning. Is that who you want running your water treatment plant? I don't think so. But that's pretty much where we are right now.

But what if I forgot to take out the Giardia in the water this morning, Pete? It's going to happen. Yeah, let's leave it there. Charles, go ahead, promote. I got nothing to promote, but I'll just say briefly that I do have two books on Amazon. if anybody's interested, they are the holistic guide to suicide, coping with ideation, suicide ideation, depression, trauma. And I have whiskey and ashes and inebriates of vowels, maxims, and observations.

If anybody would like to check them out, by all means, they both need new revisions, which I should probably get to. But if you like to check them out, I'd be happy for you to have them at your fingertips, especially the holistic guide to suicide, because as things worsen, I think it will only become more necessary for young men to see the forest in which they find themselves and to get out of it, the dire straits in which they find themselves. You can find me on Twitter. I occasionally throw my thoughts out there at Whiskey and Ashes, and I'm often mentioning

Pete in the program. So if you somehow miss Pete mentioning it, I'm pretty sure I'll repeat it as well. So I wish everybody out there all the best. God bless. Good luck. Take care of yourselves. And as I always try and tell men, you are not built for comfort. That's a woman thing.

That's a nesting thing. You are built for respect and you are built for glory. So I promise you, as somebody who has been in penury for quite some time and up and down, if you can look at yourself in the mirror, that's one of the best gifts you can give yourself. And that's the one thing that you will find value in until your last breath. God bless all. And thank you for having me, Pete. Of course.

How about Jose? Yeah, you still find me at the same place on Twitter. at Jose Al-Nino and also my substack, Jose Nino, unfiltered. I'm also writing at some new places now, such as Occidental Observer, Unz Review, and Libertarian Institute. That's just absolutely amazing. Those three, that you just said those three things, that you're writing at all three of them. Yeah, you're, go check out, really, a lot of people say, oh, Pete, how can you put out as much

as much as you do go check out how much Jose puts out it's absolutely remarkable so yeah check out go find him absolutely Jose is one of the finest pros that I was working today and I particularly enjoyed his I've been enjoying his work in the American Free Press so you know just just read everything Jose writes you'll be a much better better off better and warmed um well as for me you can find me at the fundamental principle on substack I think Pete's got a link to that we just interviewed on Father James Monsley, the English priest who got suspended over COVID and has been brave enough to talk about the stuff like that. That continues the pace and, you know, just got my telegram channel. So I want to thank Pete for having me and just reiterate, you know, support the people to support you, you know.

By Charles's books, they're excellent, you know, read Jose's writing, it's excellent. I'll beat a few bucks, whether it's on substack or elsewhere or whatever. Um, you know, Pete does so much really, really important work between the series with Dr. Johnson and this, um, uh, this new series on, on the U.S. role in the creation of Israel and, and no one else would do this and no one else could do this. So, you know, please. Um, and I, you know, I contribute to, so I'm not asking you to do anything I haven't done. Please, uh, kick a few bucks to the cause. I know times are hard out there for folks, but, um, please do. I appreciate it. Thank you. And gentlemen, until the next time, I always look forward to this. And I know it's not always easy for all four of our schedules to line up. But a Saturday, like, it normally at the time that I'd be eating dinner and I would, there's no other place I'd rather be right now. Thank you. The thought crime syndicate is back.

And sorry about the delay. it's kind of hard to get the four of us nailed down at the same time. But yeah, I guess what we were talking about was I think everybody has something that they want to rant about. And I've already done a bunch of ranting this week. So I'll sit in the background and just comment. So go off, guys. Take it away, Dee.

Well, I put this out on Telegram, but I mean, I don't know what else you guys want to talk about tonight, but the two or three things that are top of mind for me are. that poor girl in Scotland, the Dutch girl who just got murdered by an immigrant. The trucking thing in Florida with the seat guy who had his freaking feet on the on the dashboard and then of course this horrible, horrible church shooting in Minneapolis. And every single one of these problems, everything, just be big in it. Just put straight white guys in charge you can't just stop listening to women. Just stop pretending that everyone says,

same it's really just that simple like last dude's with the last name ali do not belong in in scotland period end of discussion then the little girl doesn't get threatened then the family doesn't you know like hey you know what you know what solves the the truck drivers who can't read english and make illegal uterins no seeks in america what what happens if we just relock up all the trunes they can't shoot any kids it's really really easy Yep. It's just simple. And we can't do anything because it would just require, I don't know, common sense from 1972.

Fucking ridiculous. It's ridiculous. Yeah, it's maddening because, as you know, like, as you said, the solutions are uncomplicated. They are simple. We know the answer. Do not let these people here. Do not put her in charge. That's it.

It's that simple. The problem is that, again, we're afraid of being called names. We're afraid of being blacklisted. We're afraid of being socially unacceptable. But what's the point of who cares if one is socially unacceptable if there's no society? What difference does it make? That's one of the reasons I've found it much easier to be emboldened these days, considerably easier to be emboldened.

Because I know nobody's paying a fucking bit of attention to me. Not at all. They're all staring at their phones. They're all watching something on them. They're all just listening to something else. Nobody's listening to me in the real world. I can just say almost anything I want. Just move on.

It's maddening because you can see the solutions right in your face. When did things work? Who was in charge then? Who was in jail then? It's that simple. As I've said a billion times, you don't even have to make special laws or have all these new technologies. Just be like, yeah, she can't make decisions.

That's it. yeah he can't come in here that's it it it really is that simple and it sounds like a dead trope at this point but it just keeps getting truer and truer every day import the third world become the third world make women in charge of everything everything becomes a hen house like it that's it these are just basic facts we don't even need to have a philosophical debate like just look at the reality yeah that's it like that's it i have literally made and i'll jump off the soapbox and let you guys go off in a second. But I have literally made a career in blogging and in what little podcasting I do out of just being the guy that says the simplest possible things.

Hey, you know what? Women are going to eventually go fix it. You know why? Because they don't like it when things get bad. When it starts touching them, when they realize the stove is hot, then they want something done. Like I don't say anything super complicated. Guys out there will have all these books and have all these complaints of you and you know what they're great you're wonderful i'm not knocking any essays yeah exactly and you know what i'm not knocking any of them some guys need that kind of thorough in-depth analysis and that's fine but me as as d used to call me you know i'm i'm just like the working class her t's it's like no man you can't do that because it's just dumb like don't let her make your decisions don't let him do this don't let him drive the truck

Like, it's that easy. It really is that easy. So go ahead. Now somebody else is turned away. I'll just make a real quick comment, and I'll let Jose go. Yeah, I think that Red Hawk, you know, said it best on the stream. The other night the OSGC stream, women don't have political agency, and I'm sick and tired to pretend than they do.

Absolutely. Like, one of the things that I've said for years is, like, if you have no expectations of women, like all four of us run here, pretty. it'll come from that kind of space, then you can't have any expectations of women. Of course they're going to make them decisions. They're fucking broads. They're not supposed to make decisions.

They're supposed to make what the most complicated decision they're supposed to make during the week. It's both what they're going to wear and what's for dinner on Tuesday. That's it. That's all. That's, it's not. I mean, why are you burdening them? This isn't hating them.

This is actually caring about them. Yeah. Exactly. I've said that on Moran Chuck a thousand times. If you're hearing me as a misogynist, you've completely missed my point. You've utterly and entirely missed my point. I'm trying to get a working society, a functioning society, wherein the majority of people are prosperous and healthy. Note, please note, I never said happy. I said prosperous and healthy. Happiness is something, and each individual has to work toward that. I have no hand in that. but that's what I'm trying to do. So as I said, Omaran check a billion times, I am not a misogynist. I am trying to get the best results

for as many people as I can humanly, humanly possibly do. Anyone else want to pick that one up? You're welcome to you. I want to hear what Jose has to say, but you've asked one question that needs to answer Charles, and that is who was in charge

the last time stuff worked? And the answer is, what guys who smoked and drank like fish? That's the answer. That's exactly right. That's exactly right. And why did they smoke and drink like fish? Because they needed to, because they needed to cut down the stress.

Because they knew that these decisions are hard, and people's lives hang in the balance. That's why they don't drive with their feet out the fucking window. That's why they play by the rules. That's why Joe Average is Mr. Boring to a lot of women. Why? Because he likes the idea that planes don't fall out of the sky. He likes the idea that trucks don't fly off the side of the road. He's crazy like that.

Jose, go ahead. I'm sorry. I don't want to cut you off. You know, I agree with that. the stuff the stuff is not astrophysics it's simple yet preventable evils that are um being imposed on us and and like as you said charles it's actually kind of funny because when you have an insanely atomized and deracinated society it does create a power vacuum for us to fill in because we're just going to be like if we're if you're just like the loudest um people that don't

care about societal norms especially when in a in a epoch where there's like none whatsoever because it's the society so deracinated alienated and just bereft of a unified culture it all it allows us to actually thrive and get as loud as possible and speak about a lot of these simple yet uncomfortable truths no one wants to talk about that the fact that when you bring in this cornucopia of non-white European groups. You're going to get a disaster. And just to underscore this, I remember a few weeks ago when I was on a Greyhound bus and we had like a Chinese driver there and it was just like every other minute I was just like thinking like is there going to be like a crash going down and then add in like having all these Indian subcontinental people driving trucks. I mean,

you're just asking for a massive disaster. A lot of the things that we took for granted, like safe roads, safe streets, just an organized society. It's all going to go out the window when you turn your polity into a tower of Babel. But most people these days won't embrace it. But I think as us is the loud and increasingly organized minority, I'm actually much more optimistic because our message stands out. And in a society where of just blind people, those who have some degree of vision, they are able to wield inordinate amounts of power,

and we just have to keep pushing this envelope. That's brilliantly stated, man. I really like that, the Tower of Babel analogy. That's absolutely fantastic. And you're right. It goes back to what D has said countless times, so I'm going to bring that up too, where D has said, like, it's not even a matter of hate.

It's a matter of these people are incompatible with our way of life. Full stop. We're not even getting to hate. We're just getting, they can't keep their feet off the dash. They can't keep their eyes on the road in the aggregate. Sure, I mean, we, you know, sure, Europeans have individuals like that too. We can sit here and go knack salt all day. But we're talking about in the aggregate as a society, as a people, some are unable to maintain these standards and others are able to maintain these standards.

One thing Thomas 777 said a long time ago that I really got a laugh out of. I forget he was debating somebody online exactly. but he made an offhand comment like oh sure because italians are known to be dispassionate accountants and i laughed my ass off at that being of italian descent i didn't think he was taking a personal yeah right that's great like i didn't take it as a personal stab like ah these stupid day goes blah blah blah like no he was just acknowledging people are different these people are like x those people are like why like if i want my accounting done i'm not going to ask spedil i'm going to ask somebody else and it's like that's fine. That's great. I didn't take it as some kind of personal affront. It's just a simple

realistic attitude. And there was an old joke, I'm going to mess it up. But it's something along the lines of if you get a Frenchman, an Englishman, and an Italian, and you have to put them all in different positions. One's cooking and one's government, et cetera, et cetera. I don't even remember the whole joke. But the audience, I'm sure, has heard it a billion times. And it's a great joke because it acknowledges the realities of people. Some people are good at certain things. Others aren't. And like you were saying, Jose, what this Tower of Babel does by trying to make everybody this mush, this caramel goo, is it takes away, sure, it takes away their

individual flaws to some extent, but it also takes away what makes them special, what makes them good at things. And then when you destroy it, that's why you have the whole system collapse, because now you don't have this person adding X, that person adding Y. Go ahead. Yeah. Well, I mean, if everyone has no rough edges, then there's nothing for anything to grab on. And then, and then, bam.

What else, you know, you're going to, if any of you've ever read, like, Caravaggio's life, or, you know, he was a complete, like, womanizer and, and, like, gotten fights and duels and all kinds of other stuff. But he was also one of those brilliant painters ever lived.

Is Mel Gibson, the kind of guy that, like, you know, is boring on a Tuesday? No, he's completely out of control. He's nuts. You know, but he's also one of the greatest filmmakers who ever lived. And you can't, everything comes with upsides, everything comes with downsides, right? Something you learn.

And we, in this Tower of Babel society, right, run mostly by schoolmarms, they want all the upsides and none of the downsides. It's like, okay, well, you can have Negroes here. But they're going to be violent and they're going to get arrested and they're going to get shot by police and they're going to get hung by people because that's just what's going to happen when you have Negroes that get out of control. And the upside might not be worth the downside. But the downside exists and you have to deal with it. And, you know, foreigners who don't read English driving 80,000 pound trucks. right who have literally no concept of other people they're literally just out for themselves

right life is cheap they believe in reincarnation so yeah i killed a bunch of folks they'll just come around again doesn't matter right um count tankula actually has a great video about uh by indians get hit by trains all the time that you guys should check out if you're fans of the ojc live stream which you should be um and you and you love that train train whistle which i do then you should definitely check it out. But we're talking about people, 1.4 billion people that consequences don't matter because if somebody dies,

they'll just come back. Two, they have no consideration for other people because they're just out for themselves. If you're helpful, if you're kind, if you're patient, you're just a sucker who's going to get to take advantage of. And three, like they're, don't and they racially resent you because they were ruled by you for a thousand you know for by ruled by they've they've never ruled themselves they've always been ruled by other

people so they have no history of of of of of ruling themselves they've always been ruled by other people whether it was the mughals or the or um not the last you know 300 years 400 years 500 or the British or whatever. So why are you expecting them to be capable of self-government? The kind of behavior that self-government requires. You know, you can't have, they can't even queue properly. Yeah, so, I mean, like, you know, little white kids learn how to, like, stand in the line properly in first grade. Kindergarten.

So, why are you expecting this, you know? And we have our own homegrown, you know, problems, liberal white women and trunes. But we could deal with that as a society. You know, the FBI is listening to this call right now or the NSA. The NSA is recording this call and tracing IP addresses so that they could find all four of us down to where we live in a heartbeat. The FBI will put people at January 6th, hundreds of them to the point where we don't know exactly how many, but lots. you know and um somehow they they can't find the the murdered trainee death cult the 09-8 people like okay so you're going to bother people who are just trying to make

the place better and not go after well then it sounds to me like you're on the side of people who want to murder kids because if you if you could stop them and you don't because you're too busy listening on into Pete Conornis' podcast, which DHS is apparently doing. Pete, I don't know if I have had confirmation of that. Then you're not doing something as simple as like, hey, maybe the people who worship demons and deal with demons

and everyone should listen to Pete's episode with Stormy and Philos, right? It was what last Tuesday, Pete? we're dealing with people who are possessed by devils and the FBI is more interested in listening to this show than finding those people. So if you're not interested in actually doing the job, get out of the way and let us do it. Put Charles in charge. Put Pete in charge. Put Jose in charge.

Jose is one of the last, one of the last, like, half dozen actual journalists who writes in America today. And everything you read in the New York Times is bullshit. Not because they're outright trying to lie, but because, like, just making stuff up. I mean, they do some of that too, but because they just refuse to acknowledge real facts. Like every story about the NFL season starting up here soon, right? Every story about football players doesn't include, oh, by the way, these guys are, like, really dumb and really violent. And really entitled.

And it's a bad combination. And I'm just sick to stick my back teeth of having to deal in a society with people who just won't be honest. One of the points that Sam Parker made on Jose's show, and this is something that people really need to open their eyes to is, you know, the fact that this social engineering regime, the people who commissioned the authoritarian personality, books like that, well, they decided that they were going to. to flood white countries with Muslims until they realized, oh, wow, historically, we've gotten along with Muslims pretty well. Now they seem to hate us. So now what are they doing? Now some of them are actually pushing for deportations while in the background seeking to flood white countries with Indians. Why? Because, Indians or Zionists.

I mean, until you start waking up until to these realities, you're not going to be able to, you're not going to be able to see exactly what's happening. Why the Indians, why they want to, oh, they want to bring Indians in because they'll make this amount, they'll work for this amount. No. No, they're a bio weapon.

Yeah. Much like Haitians. Yes. their brown nosers quite literally it for the Judeo-American regime and yeah they there I've been arguing there's been somewhat of a implicit pact

by organized Jewry and the broader Indian diaspora to establish this whole the Talmudic curry regime that is taking root across the Anglo-Sphere you can see it with guys like Rishi

Sonak and all this whole cornucopia of Indian CEOs of like big tech companies in the U.S. And they're just like a servile lot that's going to cause a ton of trouble. Because yeah, as mentioned before, these people have totally different norms from like the most basic stuff like getting in like a single file line to driving norms that creates mass chaos when you bring in millions of these people into the roads. That's going to create social dysfunction. And guess what? it's not an organic process like some people would like you to believe this stuff is by design it's done to generate chaos and um continue to demoralize and and eventually demographically displaced this country so yeah um be really careful with some of the tricks being played you'll get some of these deportations of insert x Muslim arab guy who complains about um about the treatment of the gossens but then it gets replaced by 10

do the supporting Indians that are going to take your tech jobs and create like a new anti-white overclass so yes be aware of this stuff it goes back what you were saying earlier Dee with the whole these people

have never ruled themselves it's sort of a marriage made in hell and the fact that these people have never ruled themselves so they're they're already geared to be slaves of a regime so when these would be overseers these would-be masters come in and go, hey, we need a, should we say a group of people to serve our

interests and we're going to throw you some scraps here and there. You can live off of the scraps of a powerful civilization. Well, that's just a marriage made in hell. I mean, that's just absolutely perfectly blended. People that naturally think themselves superior to everyone else with a group that's been under the heel of, you know, pretty much everybody they've ever encountered. They're going to, they're going to blend perfectly together in a way that really will be deleterious to the rest of the world. Go ahead, Dee. Well, I was going to say that they're editing Wikipedia for early life right now because it tells the truth, right? Yeah. Like Congress is discussing the echoes meme that a buddy of mine made up in a

Facebook group like nine years ago. Great priorities there. Right? Like, And it is literally just like, oh, hey, wouldn't it be funny if we put this thing around these parentheses around these people's names and that way, you know, like it was a side. And now, like, Congress is being like, oh, no, we can't discuss the fact that like half the people that were in Biden's cabinet were Jews, that a huge chunk of Trump's cabinet's Jews, that Howard Lutnik is like a barnacle on the president. Like, can we just, can we discuss this? Just, maybe. You're like, and also neighbors with Jeffrey Epstein. can we can we discuss that can we can we talk about the fact that the guy who's supposedly going to make america great again economically who the tariffs have failed there

hasn't been re-entering a jobs everything just costs more can we talk about the fact that that that that guy's a Zionist Jew can we can we talk about the fact that you know the gossans just killed or um not the gosans the Israelis just killed the prime minister of yemen can we talk about like hey before you like do the hey let's you and him fight thing can you not pick fights with literally all of your neighbors can you not kill people in Gaza and Yemen and the West Bank and Syria and Lebanon and I love how many and I love how many of our so-called friends will be like no just let them kill no no I'm not I'm not going to back up a brown person against my enemy literally when they go and kill

those people they become that's when they become your enemy there was no you know Manakam Began admitted that he brought terrorism to the Middle East and the whole world, that it didn't exist before Zionists went to, Zionists decided that they were going to start their little project. Terrorism did. There's this whole, you ever hear that old story about how some American, some American retarded frigging general went and fought the Muslims? And then they, they dipped all the blood in, they dipped all the blood. Bulletin pig's blood, and they shot all of them except one. They told them to go, yeah, that's all fake.

It's all fucking bullshit. Jews invented, Zionist Jews invented terrorism and brought it to the Middle East. Yeah, they're the ones behind the King David at a hotel bombing. They're the ones behind, um, they were literally going to poison the wells, man. And, in, I mean, you know, before you. and I mean I listed pretty much everything Pete does so you know I mean I'm I've learned an awful lot but to do a call back to the to the you know the excellent probably 200 episodes together series with Dr. Johnson it's it's like so-and-so um Ginsburg and I'm like I bet my bottom dollar

that whoever this is Ginsburg is related to you know the former Supreme court justice. And then it'll be some other Jewish name is prominent. Like I, I, I, names aren't coming to mind immediately. But like, it's the same people. It's the same families. It's the same people. The Kagan cult has been in charge of our foreign policy for the entirety of my adult life. How insane is that? I'm a middle age guy. And for the last 20 years, my children have never known a world where the Kagan's weren't fomenting war in the Middle East and getting Christians killed. You know, Tucker Carlson said it greatly.

You know, it seems to me the end result of our foreign policy in the Middle East is a bunch of dead Christian kids. Why would we do that? We're supposed to be a Christian country. Why? Well, why, you know, to their great credit, Cardinal Bittsabala and the patriarch of the Greek patriarch are pulling the, you know, Leonardo DiCaprio scene from Wolf of Wall Street, you know, screw you, I ain't leaving.

in. They're staying, but they're outright saying, you know, the Jewish, some Jewish talk to about on Twitter. Like, you have Jews threatening to kill Christians. And then when Christians say, hey, that's wrong, you have American Zionists being like, well, obviously the Christians are wrong. No, these people are disgusting. If you aren't willing to tell the truth and at least as much as Pete does. Get out of the media. You're a lying sack of crap. Put down your, put down your microphone, stop your blog, stop your podcast, stop doing whatever it is you're doing, because you're going to lie. You're lying. The only issue we have in front of us right now is Jewish occupation. Jews are the ones responsible for bringing in Indians. Jews are the ones

responsible for the Trune Movement. Jews are the ones responsible for immigration into Europe. Jews are the ones responsible for our fiscal crisis. You can't point to an issue to mean right today there couldn't have been solved by anti-Semitism and bigotry towards non-straight white men. You can't point to one. You can't do it. Lock up the trunes.

It doesn't power of the Jews. It's that simple. Yeah. Yeah, to add on to the topic of like not caring what's happening in the Middle East, the thing is the, if you, with Israel is that you have the entire media sector, private sector, and the U.S. government taking aside in Middle Eastern conflicts, especially with regards to Israel. So you're going to have to care about it one way or the other because organized jewelry

is accumulating enemies each day, which could turn into blowback in the U.S. and the broader West. This is not like some Tigray versus Aromo conflict in Ethiopia because of the fact that the U.S. is not involved there. This is a conflict where the Empire Judaica has its fingerprints

all over it and that's and it's going to blow back on us and I want to also cite one of Pete's episodes with Jayant Bandari who is like one out of like 20 million Indian subcontinentals who know

the score how this is like a totally alien culture and this this episode should serve as a wake-up call to the GDP reductionist and the assimilationist crowd that thinks that they can just bring in 10 million people from the Indian subcontinent somehow they'll be integrated into the US economy and broader society without issue that that should dispel and disabuse them of these ridiculous notions well yeah what he said was and this was you know this is one of those things it's very easy to miss when you know somebody's talking and saying a lot but what he said was you haven't met the average indian yet that should scare the living hell out of you india can send india at this at this moment can

send two million people to every country in the world and still have a billion people left over all hundred and you could you could replace the entire population of the United States the entire white population of the United States Canada

Argentina Chile Uruguay Australia New Zealand so basically the white diaspora countries and the white South Africans you could replace all of the white people

in all of those countries, and India would still have over a billion people. I mean, at that, yeah, I read Camp of the Saints on the show, the whole thing. The attitude of the Indians in that book, in that novel, it wasn't cartoonish. You see it, what they say on social media when you're not, you know, they're not going to say it. your face obviously i mean you can knock one of them over with you know with the back of your hand yeah but you can see what they what they think of you white boy they hate you they want your fucking country you think you think muslims and africans in europe is bad replace them with Indians. Replace that number with Indians and see what you get. Look at Canada right now.

Canada is, I'm more fearful of immigration from Canada than I am from Mexico. Because it is just loaded. There's like 10 million, I've heard numbers of 10 million Indians there. In a country of 36 million, 40 million? Yeah. I mean, they're fucked well it's what charles has to had been done in twitter for the last what five years you know the only solution now is is bloody and the longer you wait the bloody or the inevitable's going to be like i am sorry like that you know there was it was last year or two years ago but there was an entire and pete you know because you're a fellow hockey fan just how big a deal this was an entire junior hockey team was killed in a similar fashion to those poor folks in florida

to buy an Indian truck driver. You know, like half a dozen, dozen good-looking white guys that all got killed on a bus because Indian truck drivers. And if there, it's always useful to, you know, I don't want to do the whole, like, but what if they're choosing the other foot?

you know that that's we all know but just just think about this right if in september 2002 or 2001 the arab peoples of the earth had as much military power and fiscal might and population as the white people if the situations were reversed do you does anyone think that there'd be like a free white person alive on earth by like 2010 Alive, but certainly not free. I mean, right. I mean, we know it would be white slavery like crazy. We know that. Come on.

Yeah, of course. But we all know that every white nation would have been smashed. Every, you know, every white military would have been destroyed. It's just what would have happened in similar fashion, right? If a bunch of white people moved to India and then, killed a bunch of Indian kids. Does anyone think that there would be a white person remaining in India left alive?

They'd riot and kill everybody. So this whole like, oh, well, we need to be fair. Like, no. This is us being fair. Us kicking all of you out. You know, deportation is the moderate option. Yeah, that's exactly right. That is the moderate option.

Because if you're going to, if you won't leave and you're going to be a parasite, and I know Charles has talked about this, like, there's the graph, right? white people over their lifetimes contribute $120,000 net tax receipts. Mexicans contribute like a net negative 100,000, blacks are negative 750,000. Right. Okay.

We can't have a bunch of net negative parasites show up and have things function. It just won't work. So go home and go be a net negative somewhere else. It's really that easy. Like, you sucking, you know, you've turned the sacred Ganges into a garbage dump. I would like the Mississippi to not be a garbage dump, please, or the Ohio or, you know, or any river I care about. I would like the Columbia to not be a gigantic dump. But I've been to state parks in Washington where there are Jeets, and they just, they leave trash out.

They would turn the Columbia into the Ganges, given enough time and enough of them. And there are, because Microsoft is headquartered there. And Microsoft has an Indian CEO. And once that happened, I was in downtown Seattle a couple months back. And my family was like the only white people there. There were Jets everywhere. It was awful. Yeah.

I mean, when I started this, this was, this goes back to 19. 1991 when I just gotten out of high school and my driver's license, and I started noticing this in my area where they were starting to get all the local gas stations. I don't know that I've talked about it on this program, but I know I've talked about it on others. My first experience was when I went into one of the local gas stations. They had American flags all over it and was owned by a white guy who at this point in my life now was probably 15, 20 years younger than I am now, but he seemed so much older then. And he was talking to me, he's bemoaning to me. He's like, I'm going to be out of business in three months. And I said, I don't understand it.

You've got the best gas station on the highway here. I mean, I don't get it. This was where I grew up near Camden, New Jersey. So I don't get it. Why do you, why would you be out of business? You got a clean place. You're honest. You give good service.

I don't get it. And he's like, well, because look over there, that's Indians. He points to another one, that's Indians. Points to another one. That's Indians. And this is in 1991. This is 34 years ago. And he says, because I pay taxes that they don't.

And he says, they all get their family in here. And it's all immigration fraud. It's all, it's all fraud. It's all getting their families to work for him for nothing. And he says, I still remember this to this day. And he says, they're going to put me out of business. And sure enough, he was gone in three months. And I will tell you, since 1991, if I walk into a business and I see Indians run it, I walk right back out.

I walk right back out. I have been with girls I've dated and we walk into a sandwich shop, a subway or something. And they'll be like, and I'll see him behind the counter. I'm like, nope, I'm done. Thanks. And she'll go, but I'm really hungry. I was like, you can be hungry. We're leaving.

At one time I let her do it because I was like, you know what? Hey, sure. You know what? Okay. Go ahead. I'm not going to get anything, but you do it. They gave her a hard time and tried to cheat her and she complained the whole way. I was like, hey, honey, I told you, these people do not belong here.

They are not like us. They will never be like us. And again, this isn't even about hate. It's just about I want to live a certain way. They don't want to live a certain way. And that's why deportation is the modern option. Like, I'm willing to just put you on a bus, on a train, and a box car, and roll you out of here. Hail hardy and whole.

But if you don't want that option, I can think of plenty of others. That's right. Plenty of others. So many, many years ago, when I was in college, I worked summer's construction, right? and I was expediting for folks. And I got to drive a truck. Wasn't even acquired a CDL. But I had to drive, like, you know, a bigish truck.

And I never wore, you know, slip on shoes to drive. But I was told by, you know, multiple, like the foreman and multiple old heads. Like if you drive with, you know, MF sandals, right? These guys, these are construction guys and, you know, loggers and they're, um, they're a little salty. So I won't, um, but I was told to know in certain terms, like, like you never drive with sandals. If you could slip on your foot can slip off your foot. What happens with, you know, what happens if a sandal gets stuck between, you know, just nothing loose,

nothing, you know, just, I was, it was drilled into me every single, like every time you get behind the wheel, you know, this old guy, probably younger than I am now, like you said, Charles, but to me at the time, he seemed like this font of ancient wisdom is probably in his late 30s. Older guy named Mike, Mike wrote a Harley to him from work. He said, listen, kid, you know, probably smoked a pack a day, drank like a fish, you know, kind of guy that used to run things and make things work. We're sitting there on break one day, he's This kid, I drive a highway to and from where you're driving like a three and a half, four-ton missile. You hit me with that.

The wife buries me in a sandwich bag. And where there's a lot of me is on the road gets picked up with a spatula. Don't fuck around with the truck. All right. You know, he just, and I'm, I'm, I'm going to. grateful to him because that that you know these these guys that made it very very serious like

this is this is there are consequences if you fuck around with these sorts of things right um we're talking about people who don't do consequences they don't think about them they can't think about them like like there's a poster

like you know Africans literally have no words for maintenance and no concept of the future their languages do not their philosophies are incapable of thinking about the future so if you can't think about what's happening in 20 minutes how are you supposed to get anywhere on time how are you supposed to be relied upon for things like i don't know medicine vital supplies food and you can't if you can't think of consequences how can you be trusted with something as basic as like driving a truck and India has the same

problem the average IQ in India is what 76 I mean we don't know because it's impossible to test all 1.4 bill like how how dumb do you think the dollars who eat rats are you think you think that there's a secret couple you know 170 IQ geniuses amongst those people or are they mostly just like barely sentient animals that are exposed to all kinds of really disgusting diseases because they eat rats. They worship rats. They have temples full of rats, thousands and thousands and thousands of rats,

and they just sit there. Like, no wonder the Black Plague originated in India. You people are disgusting. I mean, I viscerally, like, get the hippie-jeebies when I see this sort of thing. Like, like, it's gross. It's violent.

it's evil what are we doing bringing these people here yeah that that's my big like you go to truck stops today and there'll be truck stops in rural north dakota that i'll stop at and there'll be indians just toss it just shit on the side of the road human feces like what what you know I kind of like society where we don't get massive diseases

and cholera outbreaks and dysentery you know I played enough Oregon Trail as a kid that I dysentery is bad okay I looked it up it's bad bad things happen when you get dysentery can we not recreate the conditions

to give everyone dysentery. Can we do that, please? It was very difficult to beat dysentery. Can we try? But no. No, because Indians are more important. Because Wikipedia's early life is a threat to national security. All because this little ethosate, the size of New Jersey, has to pick fights with all of its neighbors.

And they're the ones who actually produce stuff that people want. they know they cannot exist on their own i mean this is a state that knows that um it can't exist on their own and normally a state that size would become a client state to somebody else but you don't have to be a client state if you have a diaspora with 500 billionaires you just don't i don't know if it's 500 i haven't asked grand lately but i mean if it's 50 billionaires if it's you and you have and you have people if you know 457 of them are working in the biden white house and if 70% of his cabinet is there and if they run the bank if they have owned the city of london in i mean it there's it's a parasite it's just a

It's this gigantic, you know, I mean, I hate to bring up memes from friggin' 100 years ago, but it's an octopus. The tentacles are everywhere. And until people want to, until people are willing to look at left wing liberal, left wing Jews and right wing Jews and say, I don't care who they hate, I don't care. we need to talk about the fact that they think that they roll over us and that they're better than us. Oh, and to their own, I mean, like, you know, it's probably last year or two years ago now, but listen to the episode Pete and I did about Dennis Prager, who I used to love. I used to listen every day. Every day I listened to Dennis.

I thought he was the wisest man on talk radio. And he himself says, every is him, is a Naziism. What was our idea? Feminism, environmentalism, communism, socialism. Okay, Dennis, I believe you. You're, you know, Prager You is attempting to replace PBS in certain classrooms. Not because Prager You has actually, you know, high-quality programming that people need to see. Excuse me.

The CEO of Prager U is a unit 8200 veteran, right? Like the Israeli NSA. they're they're trying to replace it because there were people at front line who were you know old school liberals who told the truth about Gaza it's not because you know conservative or whatever like this it's literally just because occasionally PBS would have like pap Buchanan on and and talk about well the thing well it goes it goes a little deeper than that there and and we heard jonathan greenblatt had admit this they've lost the youth and basically anybody who's anybody who's under 50 just doesn't care and boomers you know the older boomers are dying off and gen Xers pretty soon will be dying off or life will be so you know horrible that no one's going to care I mean is over half the country has already abandoned them.

So they have to take over schools. They have to take over the education. What do you think the whole point of of Prager, you taking over Oklahoma's public school curriculum is going to be to teach everybody that like one of, I forget what the name of the lady in our government, a government official said,

So, you know, United States is the best country in the world. Oh, except for Israel. That would be former radio talk show host and noted muff diver lesbian Tammy Bruce, who used to be, right? And, you know, she was a hard charging conservative who didn't like the Muslims because they're mean to the gays. And now she's an official in the State Department. And, you know, 20 years ago, I was all for like that kind of stuff. I'm like, yeah, Western civilization means anti-Muslim, because they've been at war with us for 1,400 years.

And I still don't particularly like Muslims, but, you know, when it comes to the mouthy Jewish lesbians, I think they might have a point, you know? Yeah. And here's this, well, yeah, she's, she's wealthy, she's powerful. She's, she's done that on the backs of white Christians. Because Jews have that same, that whole attitude of, like, if you're not getting scammed,

If you're not the one, if you're not scamming people, you're the one getting scammed and you're a sucker. Yep, Friar. Yeah, Jews have that same attitude amongst themselves. They can't do business in Israel. They need, they need Shabas Goye because they need people to be honest for them. Yeah.

They're incapable. It's a parasite civilization. I mean, they need access to the talents and capital stock of white civilization. That's the, and that's the microcosm of how they were able to set up their little ethnosate because without taking over governments like the UK, the United States, and the broader Western sphere, they can't be able, they're not able to survive. They need the military aid, the defense of the shipping lanes, the economics. Because Israel on its own, it's just a dumpster.

Like, it's just like a bunch of, their economy is literally like just produces diamonds and ransomware, spyware and all this stuff. And it's predicated off of them scamming. other you can't really build a society and like the the whole creation of israel is just like a like multi-century if not millennia conspiracy of diaspora Jews accumulating enough money through usary like theft and outright murder to set up like an ethno state and yeah they need they absolutely need access to us they they demand and this is not a normal nationalism either because as mentioned before they're a diaspora and they want to control every facet of it because that's

part of how they roll. And yeah, it's a completely alien civilization and do not listen to these conservatism, ink types that talk about this polytheism of bootstrapping nation when it's heavily dependent on Western aid, capital, and all of that. It's just ridiculous at this junk here. Well, let me jump in there for a second. The three of you. Has anyone read you Gentiles by Maurice Samuel?

I've not. I have, yes. Nope. Okay. Okay. There's a line in there that I think most people probably when they read it, they, it's very easy to pass over. And when I was reading it, and I've been reading it for my supporters recently, it, it, I got punched in the face. It said, you Gentiles, when we try to imitate you, it goes horribly wrong.

And what's more imitate, I mean, they've never had a functioning civilization. They've never had a functioning country. Read your Old Testament. Look at the New Testament. They've never been able to rule themselves. Curse of the eighth decade. And then they come to, and then they come to, oh, we're going to start our own nation. We're going to start our own nation over here.

and what a they can't do it on their they can't even do it having billionaires around the world sending them money supporting them controlling controlling governments controlling industries they can't even make it work they are a diaspora people they are a homeless people they'll always be a homeless people because they can't they can't do what we did build a civilization and i understand that you know according to Spangler, when you get to civilization, the high culture is dying. I'm not using civilization in the Spanglarian sense. They can't build a civilization because they can't do what we did.

And now you're seeing the results of it. I'd like to tie a lot of this together. You're absolutely right, Pete, they can't do what we did. And you're absolutely right, Jose, when you say that this is just a completely dysfunctional area, you don't buy into the hype. And it also goes back to what Deeb is saying about the way these people live. To me, it all boils down to the same thing. These are very spiritually feminine people.

They're very naturally low trust people because, again, they're spiritually feminine. They're extremely low trust. This is why I find, and that's why I think they fail constantly. That's why whenever they, as the quote goes, whenever we try and copy you, it goes wrong. It goes catastrophically wrong. Because, again, they're not actually copying what we're doing. They're building a, they're building a wicker airplane and thinking it's going to fly. It's just another version of cargo calls it.

Cargo, that's so beautiful. That's so beautiful, man. Thank you. And that's really what it is. But what to really bring the point home that I would like to present is, this is why I personally find Sasha Barron Cohen, so utterly repellent. I mean, to the very core of my being, I loathe that man. And as a Christian, I find that hard to say because I'm not supposed to loathe people, supposed to loathe evil, not people. And I'm getting to my point right now.

The reason Sasha Baron Cohen is so vile is because when you look at his comedy that he made, air quotes, comedy, and you pay close attention to it, or you don't even really have to pay close attention, but just look at it, look at it objectively. And you'll see what he's mocking is high trust. ha ha you rubes are listening to me ha ha you people are buying my story ha you people are trying to help me and it's just it's disgusting as a person of European descent and as a Christian I find that absolutely abhorrent

this is the greatest gift that we have as a people in hey Dee you know what let's try and work together and get out of this dump let's try and make life better Hell, let's try and survive dysentery. Let's work together. That's why we have what we had. A lot of guys can try and argue with me. Oh, well, you know, it's genetics and IQ and all that. It's like, okay, maybe you're right. I don't know. Maybe. But for me, it all comes down to high trust. If I order 100 pounds of concrete from Pete, and Pete goes, okay, and he sends me 100 pounds of concrete, I can start building things. But if I order a hundred pounds of concrete, I can start building things. But if I order, 100 pounds of concrete from Dowling and he sends me 50, well now I'm screwed. And they wonder

why these countries can't get anywhere because nobody trusts each other. Nobody, everybody just plays the prisoner's dilemma. So that's why I really feel that a lot of these places are dysfunctional and doomed to eternal dysfunctionality.

Yeah, until, and you can read you know the like um viking saga stuff like like how avaricious they were about like one good cup it's like when there's no trees on Iceland like a cup like it's a big deal okay so it's not like white people were always super super high trust and wonderful and perfect and everything it took a thousand years of Christian civilization to make them you know capable of building the empires that they built right and you know roman civilization before that and there is a huge genetic component of these sorts of things but uh to use your concrete example right um if everybody you know a hundred pounds of concrete

goes down the river and from the from from from the factory and you know everyone who handles it takes takes a pound because like as a fee well aren't you already getting paid well yeah but everyone understands like it's part of my fee that i get a pound of concrete you know for every hundred you know for well 80 pounds come by and i take a pound okay why are we importing people in our society that do that and anytime we try to organize amongst ourselves it doesn't matter whether it's eric arval doesn't matter whether it's the old glory club It doesn't matter if it's political parties or just groups of guys who like the podcast, getting together. Oh, no.

There's a new movie coming out like in September or something with Jessica Chastain. Talk about how she's this savant and how there's this, you know, like far right, you know, neo-Nazi terrorist network that's going to destroy the world and kill a bunch of people. And right, okay. Yeah, okay, you had someone in a white polo shirt and khakis just like Charlottesville. Thank you for the hit me over the head with it again. Anytime we try to organize to do that, even not to oppress anybody else, just to, you know, every Indian has a local Indian business network that we're not allowed into. They'll give each other loans. They'll co-sign for stuff.

they'll help each other out they'll do classes they'll hook you up with an accountant if we try to do that it's a white supremacist gang and uh white people just need to stop being fair especially to jews because kicking them out and taking all their stuff you know the capital controls uh that uh that one German government did from like 1934 to 1937. That is being fair. Because you Israelis wouldn't have your billions if it weren't for the fact that in America, when someone signs a contract for 100 pounds of concrete,

they get 100 pounds of concrete. And you wouldn't have been able to build your Home Depot without tens of millions of honest white Americans doing their job for you and making you money. so that fortune you actually did not build that yourself that belongs to america and not to israel and you can't keep using your money to you know blackmail politicians and and have sex with little kids how hard is this to just to just not you know we we know we've said it enough that well i don't think we've said it enough and he's continued to be said that we're under an occupation we've been under an occupation for a long time until people with power

with money who are sick of it you know who have a feel like they have a greater right a greater birthright to this land and to everything that's here until we have people who are like actually willing to step up and practice nobles subleege concepts like that really take ownership in it we're not going to i mean that's why i will not counter signal signal tucker carlson at all and because he's speaking to people i can't speak to i don't care he's I say this all the time he'll be like you know

I don't hate Israel I don't hate Jews and then he'll go on a rant for an hour just tearing him apart is just what it's just what he does it's just the way wastes act and

you know I'm not going to say that I I know for a fact everything that he believes I'm you know when the camera's off may have heard some things but the people who are counter signaling him because oh his father was in the CIA and he might have done some CIA stuff and he lied about it and everything I'll tell you that's not my fucking lie about it too because people are just a bunch of spurgy little faggots who think that they're going to

solve the problems of the world with their little podcast I'm not that look I hear that people, that a lot of people you wouldn't expect listen to my podcast. I don't let that go to my head. I don't think I'm changing anything. But someone like Tucker is speaking to not only his audience, but his audience includes elites, includes people with power. And Tucker doesn't even have to be our guy. Tucker could actually be working actively against us and still achieve our goals for us.

Because when somebody uses a term gatekeeper when it comes to people like Tucker, they don't know what the fuck they're talking about. Gatekeeping is not the right word. Find something else to use. You sound like a fucking retard. Gatekeeping is what you do when you're hiring someone into your company and you make them fill out a resume and you do a background check on them or if you have a fraternity and you don't want certain people to come in that's gatekeeping Tucker maybe not being you know 99% of the

people who are alive right now no matter what you expose them to are never going to be as radical as we are and until you get that through your fucking skull and you stop and people stop thinking like Democrats like, oh, it's democracy and we just have to get if we get 13% if we get 20%, then we can start, you don't even know what you would do with those people.

You have no, what are you doing to do with them? Oh, well, you know what? Yeah, shut up. Let Tucker cook, let him do what he's doing. Every once in a while he says something that's really fucking cringe. I don't care.

I ignore that. As long as he's not actively counter signaling me or, you know, he all of a sudden does an about face on Israel and talking about, you know, I mean, there's a guy who drops all the time of who's running this country. Are Americans even running this country? Understand that there are people out there who are not going to be able to say the fucking thing out loud. Maybe they can when they get to a certain point, but that point isn't now.

Well, first of all, his house was attacked by communists for less than what he's saying now. And well, all of your favorite national socialists might not be reading Tucker. I guarantee you someone in the office of every U.S. senator is every single one, every single U.S. senator. And when he called out Speaker Mike Johnson, number three in line for the president, presidency, Ted Cruz, and said, why are you supporting the genocidal Israeli occupation of Gaza and the destruction of the Christian population? That took brass. That took real stones for him to do that.

And I could be like, well, you know, he could do more than that I would like. But I will take 90, you know, if Tucker gets us to Pat Buchanan America, you know what? I, in that sort of environment, I can get us the other 10% or the other 20% or whatever it is. Because all the trunes will be locked up. All the Democratic conspiracies against rights would be shut down. I'd have free speech. I'd have a right to do business. Jose would have his own column in the New York Times.

Pete would be on W.A.B.C. running the afternoon drive time show. And in that kind of environment, either you believe we're telling the truth and we're right about everything or you don't. And if you really believe that we're telling the truth and we're right about everything, believe it. I don't believe in democracy,

but I do believe in the truth. And all I've ever tried to do is tell the truth. And once we do that, We'll get there. It's really not complicated. We'll get across the finish line by just telling the truth. And if Tucker's getting us 90% of the way there, then I guess it's up to us to do the other 10% or 20% or 70%.

Whatever he's pushing the ball in the right direction. And that's important. You know, God bless him. He stood up for those poor Christians in Gaza. That's the only thing that matters internationally to me right now is the fate of those people. And he's had two Christians from Gaza on in the last year because he had that Lutheran pastor on last Christmas. And he had Mother Stephanopoulos on like a month ago. And that's the.

most important, I mean, we're under occupation. You want to end the occupation? Starts with noticing who's in charge. And why are all these white Christians, you know, help in Israel? I can tell you personally, I used to be, you know, in Phyllis, I've talked about it. I'm really, really, really mad, like really, really volcanically angry about how I was deceived into supporting people who hate me and hate my children and hate my faith and hate my fellow Christians.

You know, Iraq was a good place for Christians before the invasion. Iran was a good place for Christians. Still is, actually. But Syria was a good place for Christians. Lebanon was a good place for Christians. Then all those people were destroyed. Had the best of Jews. and if the average good old boy in a Southern Baptist church wakes up to that fact

the Jews are doomed and they know they've lost everyone under 40 I'm in my mid 40s now you know I'm old for you know internet commentary and everyone younger than me hates them doesn't matter what, I mean, unless you're paid, and then everyone calls you a paid show. Like Charlie Kirk gets called a shill everywhere he goes. Matt Walsh gets paid a shit, gets called a paid shell of Israel every time he doesn't open mic.

If anybody has anything, go ahead. Well, as you were saying, Pete, you used a phrase that I really, really clung to, and it was funny because I was thinking the exact same thing. You mentioned that we need powerful people with a sense of noblesse oblige. And I agree with that utterly and completely. And although we may not have that power,

I think it's important that we and your listeners keep the sense of noblesse oblige alive in what we do too. And again, I like to tie things together. This goes back to what Dee was talking about, what the guy Mike telling them, you know, the power that you have can kill people, can end lives, can ruin lives, can destroy problems, I think it's very important that we remember that we may not have a ton of power, but we need to wield what we do have

righteously and justly in defense of our causes and our people. I think that's extremely important. And maybe we don't have a ton of power, but we can set an example and we can work towards that. And then hopefully use that to generate more trust and grow stronger in numbers, if nothing else. And I understand what you're saying that, yes, we still need the elites behind us. And that's very true. But we can only do what we can do. And I think it's best that we do what we can.

And we also have, we also try and hold on to the attitude that you have is if these guys are going to push the ball in our direction, maybe not as fast as we'd like or as ruthlessly as we'd like, but they're going to push the ball in our direction, the way we want to, the direction we turn. choose that, hey, let's take it. The one line that I have found to be most powerful from the original Lord of the Rings film, well, not the original thing that was animated, but the Steve Jackson, Lord of the Rings film is Peter Jackson. Peter Jackson, sorry, Steve Jackson. Steve Jackson. Sounds like a black action star from the 80s. That's my role-playing gamer history. Steve Jackson games, sorry. Yeah, Peter Jackson. Peter Jackson, the line. that came comes to me is when the king of the elf says our list of allies grows thin. And I think we have to remind ourselves that even though we have more support now than ever, even though D is

correct, that everybody under 40 is a hardcore anti-Semite, it's like, okay, but that's not the elite. That's not a lot of power. That's just a lot of guys down around the bottom. And we have to remember to take the allies where we can get them and not be so so self-righteous in the sense of or fall into a purity spiral in that sense. So that's what I would say on all of that, to try and tie all that together. You also have to remember not to get eaten up with hate. Hate really clouds your judgment. I mean, I know, I know anti-Sy,

Semite is a shorthand for what what we are but really we we're just advocating for our people just like they're advocating for their people okay it's it really is the same thing except when we advocate for our people we tend to be a lot more inclusive which has proven to be disastrous um but when they advocate for their people They don't care who they hurt. Okay. I mean, they do it to the detriment of everyone around them. So, yeah, I mean, I don't like, I don't even like the charm anti-Semite because it's just, it's, it's not a great term.

But it's a, but the term of, look, I've studied the history. And it seems like everywhere you people go, you cause problems. because of the way you act. I understand the way you act, okay? And I get it. I just don't want to deal with it. Okay? And I'm sick.

I'm not going to hide that fact anymore. I'm not going to not going to not say, yeah, I just don't really want, I don't want you people in charge. I don't want you people. it's i'm sorry we gave it a shot and it just it's not going to work out from now on that's it that's pretty much you know where i'm at i just hate the term anti-semit because it's like okay well that that term doesn't really mean anything anymore and you know and it also if we're adopting what somebody else calls us then we're basically like then we're like nons or nugs, you know, like they, like they do.

Oh, that's all, we're taking that word. We're saying, we're saying, I don't know. It just doesn't sound good to me. But, yeah, the experiment, as far as I'm concerned, yeah, I'm done with the experiment. Yeah, it was, it was, it was fun. But yeah, I'm done. Yeah, it didn't, it didn't work. And I can't see if you can't put it to me a place where it did work.

And, you know, I'm pretty well, pretty well versed on this stuff. And I can't think of a single example where low trust people coming to high trust societies worked out long term. And I guess I'll use Anthony Semi for lack of a better term. But I just, you know, I'm tired pretending that Jews are my friends. They're not because they don't think so. And I don't think so. And since I had the same opinion about them as they do about. me. I just

I like reciprocity. How's that? I'll treat Jews the way they treat me. I don't really have anything else to say to it, Pete. I mean, I'm kind of still I mean, just, the hits just kept on coming this week. It was pretty, pretty rough.

But I want to commend you for, you know, the Marie Samuel stuff on your web on this series has been great. The 200 years together stuff's been great. That episode was storming philos has hit it out of the park with that one but you know folks you know free man to be on the wall slash support kick kp five bucks please you know buy charles's books Jose's writing uh you know in the american free press is outstanding um he had a piece in the

accidental observer today uh what last week Jose about about uh it taught me stuff about the development of suburbs that I didn't know um yeah a few days ago actually yeah yes and, um, you know, listen to Jose's show. It's, it's been really outstanding. And, you know, I have my, my little Catholic focus on, on fundamental principle, but you know, support the people that support you. If, uh, if you don't like us, um, fine, you know, but find someone you do like and kick him 10 bucks. Please. Amen. Well, yeah, I mean, I appreciate that. And, um, yeah, I mean, I support, um, you know, a lot of, um, uh, yeah, I mean, I appreciate that. Um, um, um, uh, a lot of, of a lot of my friends put it that way friends have to support their friends um you know someone

told me once i was like yeah they're like yeah i have to subscribe to you and i'm like you're my friend i said look your first supporters are going to be your friends if your friends aren't supporting you who is so yeah i mean you guys are you guys have all become my friends although i think the only the only person i met in real life is jose we've met jose and i've hung out a bunch of story of our one of these yeah yeah one of these days

we will I will hook up with all y'all but yeah until then yeah like DE said check out fundamental principles

podcast go over to the substack go over to substack look up fundamental principles I have links to Charles's books in the show notes and Jose is just

Jose is killing it go to his substack and subscribe his podcast is amazing and no one write i don't know who's writing as much as he does i think he's trying to pick up for z man anybody who's familiar with zeman's writing output it was like uh when did when did he get that guy had a real job when did he do it but um he didn't sleep and he didn't have a wife telling him to do that's for sure Yeah, I definitely don't sleep. No, thank you, General.

Yeah, I'm getting less sleep these days now, too, but I want to apologize. I feel like my voice has been one of the reasons I'm not finishing Maurice Samuel's, you Gentiles, is I'm having a bunch of dental work done, and it's just I'm not even comfortable talking right now. I'm trying to keep the episodes coming, but I'm also trying to do as little as possible. So I'll finish to Maurice Samuel reading once all this dental work. having done is done. I'm not very comfortable. But yeah, I'm glad we could get in, you know, even for a little bit over an hour today. And yeah, until the next time. Thank you, gentlemen. It's always a pleasure. Thought crime syndicate is back. It's been a while. And I'm, you know who's here. Charles Spideal, Jose Niño, Dark Enlightenment. Dark Enlightenment wants to

wanted to talk about um start off talking about venezuela so um i'll let him take the floor and uh run with it good i well i i don't have much to say other than like and obviously jose would know way more than i do but uh you have the united states effectively like preparing for war and sabotaging russian infrastructure and uh israel is self admittedly like on war online and with seven other people around them and the the the omnibilence of of the current regime of the Nuremberg regime is a really bad sign like that's it it's a you know people who voted for Trump wanted peace we're tired of these forever wars and now we've got like what 10 wars going you know the Israeli world with Yemen the Israeli war with Iran the Israeli war with the

Lebanon the Israeli war was you know what was left to Syria and it's just it um it's a very very bad sign you look at historical examples and when you know Jake gaming empire, generally starting all these small brush fire wars, it's usually a very bad sign of instability and bad things. So, this is not, this is not a strong regime, like, imposing its will. It's, it's flailing and retarded. That was my, my main concern is that we have this. Jose, what do you have, Jose, what do you got on Venezuela? Yes, I agree with these assessment that the U.S. is just flailing around in a retarded and desperate manner. And what we're seeing here is that the U.S. is trying to look for any type of W it can get on the

world stage after just pouring billions into the failed Ukraine project and also pouring like another like 30 plus billion in the Israel-Gaza conflict as well. which hasn't even produced like a definitive conclusion. I mean, the ceasefire it's temporary at best and it doesn't resolve the main issue of the parasitic nature of the U.S.'s relationship with

Israel. And the Venezuela thing, I think it's been it's the next stage of an ongoing process where I've argued that Venezuela regardless of what people think of the nature of

the regime, it has consistent been in the Chavez era, the most anti-Zionist country in South America, and it's also increasingly gravitated towards China, which has angered the neoconservatives set in D.C. beyond belief, and they want to find a way to stick it to the anti-Zionist pro-Eurasian axis. And Venezuela is the next, is the next ripe target, because it is, it is, it is, it is, is the, is the, is the, is the, is the, is the, is the, is the, is the, it is the, a relatively unstable regime that's marked by a lot of corruption, massive influx of migrants and whatnot. And it's almost perfect in a way because if they turn Venezuela into the next Libya,

the house wins regardless of what happens to Venezuela, whether they get a regime, a successful regime change operation and put that bobblehead Maria Carriano Machado in charge, or this turned into a Libya and it just turns into a drug cartel-run state, because, again, that's kind of migrants, which is perfect for the Florida Republican Party who wants to turn the Florida and the sundelt into one big Latin American Latin fundia with all the migrants coming in. And this is like the perfect project for it. And also, let's face it as well, because of the fact that Venezuela going off on the anti-Zionist note has strengthened ties with countries like Iran and even Assad, Syria, before regime. change there. It has become a better noir for the Jewish neoconservative set in D.C. They want

to make an example of it. And they win in many respects, regardless of the outcome, because a destabilized Venezuela can provide a lot of migrants. It also deprives China and other here competitors of the U.S. of an asset they can use to poke the U.S. in the face with. Yeah, the, this whole thing. It's about, it's almost like a mirror of the, all the interests that are fighting to control the Trump White House. I mean, we know who, what interest has, what interest group has controlled it the most so far. And, but yeah, you see the Zionist lobby in there. You see the, the China Hawks in there, the tech guys, the oil lobby for sure.

I think the Venezuelan oil is basically sludge. It's probably the dirtiest oil on the planet. There's huge reserves. But I think three, there's only like three or four refineries in the world. Don't quote me on that. And if I'm wrong on that, somebody correct me. And like three of them are here. And two of them are in Texas.

And I think they're both owned by Charles Koch. But the, yeah, the, it just seems like Venezuela is the next playground, the next place to be like, okay, if we can just get Maduro this bus driver out of, out of power, we can carve this up and divvy it up however much, however we want. Yeah. I mean, the context is key here because the U.S. also is in massive amounts of debt to, So having access to these resources is very key. And that's one thing, too. There's like a kind of retro-futuristic reversion to almost like 19th century resource grab geopolitics. And I've argued this as well, that you're going to see a revival of like the North American Union type project, especially with regards to Canada.

Some people regard Trump's Canada comments as like bluster. but when you look at like the Canadian prairie areas, there's tons of oil reserves there as well. And I think this is a way to breathe extra life into the dying panjuda by engaging in these type of projects that either involve like outright annexation or at least regime change that facilitates the influx of resources. Anybody else got anything on that?

Well, just that to Tosius went about China, right, being cooperative, this kind of chessboard. China just tightened exports on rare earth minerals, right? Which is to say everything that goes into your cell phone, consumer and electronics, I forget how much of it's in computers, but also a lot of military stuff. All these high-tech missiles require rare earth minerals. And we don't have any really not much in. in North America, I mean, they're available, but they're in the ground, and they take years and

years to develop. And they didn't develop them here, partly because it was dirty, but also because the kind of guys who work in mines, and I've worked on mines before, they're white, they're working class, they drive big trucks, they like guns, and they vote for Trump. So, like, There was a deliberate effort by the Obama administration to, like, politically disempower the kind of guys that work in minds and energy. And so there's this whole problem of, like, you're on this hornness of a dilemma. Like, if we're just, if it's just resources, we're just going after resources, right? Then why are we wasting resources, like, feeding all these foreigners? you know if it's pure resource competition then why is the united states like right so

or if if ideology is the thing that matters why are we wasting time with basically the contradiction the self-contradictions of the zaynish regime have kind of come home to russ and they're untenable well sure you know the easiest way to get resorts get resources from another country is to be friendly with them. I mean, this isn't hard stuff, you know. I mean, we look around the world and we see that especially since World War II, there are some regimes that we can be friendly with. We can trade openly with.

I mean, we can even hand over our national security interests to them, China, where, I mean, they make stuff that if they stopped making it, we, the country would grind to a halt. but there are certain regimes that you're just not allowed to do that with and you know the perfect example too is Russia you know they want those Ukrainian those Ukrainian minerals and well we're not going to because Ukraine is a basically it's a Zionist project and Russia isn't going to allow allow their, you know, us to take over the parts that have those minerals, you have to start a war with Russia. And it's, you know, it's a proxy war. Our guys aren't dying there that I know of. But, I mean, this is just when you're dealing with people, when you see that you have a people who, they go to a country, they displace the people who are there,

They keep a bunch of them hostage so that they can abuse them. And then whenever they fight back, they have an excuse. And they go, oh, God, look what we did. We've tried so hard with these people, but they just want to kill us. So you have an excuse to, you always have an excuse and people are always feeling bad for you because you're under each, you know, eternal attack from, from your neighbor that should just love you. You also get to test all of your weapons systems and your surveillance systems. on them that you sell to other countries so basically you have a um you just have a a laboratory to test all these things and a people to test them on um well why and if that

if those people if a lot of those people are if that ideology has basically taken over your country why wouldn't you treat then you know venezuela like that because you know they're they're not in line with you know they're probably not in line with the project that we're trying to build and Russia is not in line with the project that we're trying to build and North Korea and Cuba and you know all these states basically turn into hellholes where the leader the leaders are just trying not to get killed trying to survive and they I'm not saying that's a good thing because they're at the expense of their of their people that they're supposed to have some concept of noblesa bleche over i mean it's

all we've basically become israel we our foreign policy is run like israel our domestic policy is run by israel if somebody if if somebody's speaking out against a regime do whatever you want to them um yeah i mean so shoot them in the neck i mean that happened yeah i mean you know That's, and I don't know what to make the whole, like, texts and stuff, but quite clearly, right, the regime, at a bare minimum, you can say Charlie Kirk was running cover for the regime because he was getting blown out in arguments from people making naturalist talking points because, like, it just doesn't work, right? Gen Z, they're never going to be able to buy a house. So you can't the open borders thing doesn't work. So you know, Israel gets like a fascist at their stay with a wall. And, you know, we can't have border control in our country.

We can't have domestic industry in our country. You know, Israel gets everything. And, you know, on the left, right, you know, you've talked about it extensively, Pete, right? The whole people without a land for land without a beat, or, you know, whatever, that phrase. you know there were civilized like villages and towns and cities there all over the place and the same Jews it would say oh well we have to come here and and civilize a place when white people came to Australia or southern Africa or New Zealand or North America or the Americas and found like

you know Stone Age cannibals like murdering each other like oh you your your presence is illegitimate right but these Jews going back to this place that already had people that's sacred. So, I mean, there's just no, there's no, the contradictions cannot hold anymore. It would be my, like, why isn't Venezuela prosperous? Well, the United States is, you know, screwed with it for, what, 30 years, Jose? I mean, what percentage of Venezuela's middle class is in the United States now? 20% 50% 30%

I mean there's a huge Like you had a certain neighborhoods in Houston man And like it's There's a bunch of Iberian guys from Venezuela That's that's you know that's who's there Because they've been driven out by American policy Yes It's a massive brain drain

It's one of the main reasons why It's actually ironic too Because I tell people that If you actually wanted to see a change in like the government in Venezuela all the people that are capable of potentially doing that

they're either like in the United States, Panama Columbia or like Spain or and to a lesser extent Italy they're all gone and yeah it's just going to only like further entrench it and honestly if this whole regime change thing gets bungled

they're just going to guarantee Maduro and Chavismo being there from life that's just the cold heart truth of the matter well you know i i guess jumping into this is a great place to jump into what i wanted to you know ask and the question i had is um have we all bought into ticanola when we say oh um the people who are still want to keep this regime like going who aren't who don't want to see it destroyed, you know, this managerial regime, which basically allows small tight-knit groups that are well-funded and well, and have a lot of influence to keep going

and to take over and to impose what they want to impose upon them. And if we're, like, you know, promoting the Monroe Doctrine now that, well, you know, we just have to, we have to take care of our our section of the world right now. I mean, is that just Tican Olam on just a and your area of the world? Or what are we doing? I mean, how, you know, why are we healing the world instead of like healing ourselves and our people? How is like trying to perpetuate this regime and, you know, I mean, I can understand getting your friends elected so that they can run cover for you but you know i know

people who are like you know oh we need to run we you know we need to take over the whole government so we can no that's not that's not how this works it's like if you haven't figured it out it's grew up to the core there's really nothing you can do about it so i'm like looking at it i'm like well i mean if you're looking for anything other than like regionalism and localism and federalism and nullification and things like that, how is that any different than Ticanolam? Did I break everyone's brain or did I sound retarded? Go ahead, Charles. I don't think, okay, let's make sure we're on the same page here.

As far as I understand it, TKanolam is the Jewish idea of spreading life. to the world that their particular light and illuminating everybody else am i incorrect or correct roughly on that obviously i'm trying to boil down a major concept into something minor is that correct yeah they they need to remake the world in their image how they see that they how they see the world would prosper best for the for quote unquote the world but really for themselves okay right well i don't i don't What I think is happening here, and I'll try and take a moment and step back, take a deep breath, and move forward from there. What I see happening is what I have seen happen at least since the end of the Second World War. What the regime has done or what our occupying government have done is take American values from colonial times and put.

their spin on them. And the horror of it is because our founding fathers were more deist, and one could argue even Gnostic in a way, considering Benjamin Franklin was part of the Hellfire Club. And a lot of others had intriguing ideas of an occult nature. What the Jews did was they managed to spot a couple of the similarities. And they do what they always do, which is twist things just enough in their direction. And then as anybody knows who's gone boating or sailing or anything like that, you'll notice that if you just move the rudder a couple degrees, after a long enough trip, you are nowhere near where you wanted to be.

You only have to alter your course ever so slightly, and you are nowhere near where you wanted to be. So to try and tie things up, as I'm often want to do, I would say that it's not so much that we started out trying to be that way. I don't think we ever really did. We're not trying to change the world to our view, or Americans weren't. Because if you look historically, I believe Jose N.D. will back me up. And I'm sure you already know this from your conversations with Thomas 777 and your own research.

America has always been very isolationist. If you actually look, like most people didn't want to be in the First World War, most people didn't want to be in the Second World War. I still remember, I believe I've quoted on this program many times, my grandfather on my father's side said to his children, my dad and his brother and sisters, why are we fighting Germany? They didn't bomb us. Americans have largely, by and large, been isolationist. I think what we have done is we have tried to carve out a piece of the world and make it our own. And I don't think that's the same as TECOM Olam. We're not, we aren't necessarily trying to Americans. And we can. could say the Spanish did this when they tried to spread Catholicism. But again, I don't know that that's quite the same thing. But let's just stick on topic with Americans. I think it's more we have been, we have been self-exiles that have tried to carve out their own little world, their own way

of doing things. And once we get there, we're really not concerned about everybody else. I mean, I'll speak from myself out here in Oklahoma. The prevailing attitude is my neighbor can do what he wants. As long as he keeps his radio down, as long as he keeps his animals off my property, I really don't care what he does. So I'm not, I don't really see us as spreading it cultural. I mean, as far as heritage Americans go, I don't see that taint really in there. But what I do see is the constant exposure to that influence, a Judaic influence among the upper echelons that has just bled through, oftentimes,

literally into our ruling elite because it again it does what I said it did earlier it takes what we have already and what we are already and it twists it and it turns it and it perverts it quite literally in more than a few ways and then it amplifies it so it takes these are if it takes our quote unquote elite our quote unquote experts and it and it just huffs them up it pumps them up. It takes our already feminist turned country, which again, we know who is behind feminism. But again, people already puffed up on those things. And it further inflates them. See, you're smart. You're powerful. You're a boss. So you need to tell everybody else how to live. And that just joins hand in hand with our boss girl society. Like, okay, well, you know what you,

you know better than everybody else. And again, you're talking, I'm kind of trying to bring a lot of threads together here. You're also bringing that spiritual femininity into it where everybody else is a child and you're scolding them. And you know better. You have to, you have to lead the way. You have to nurture them. They couldn't make it on their own. So to bring it all back to the main question that you ask, I don't think it's so much that Americans are are practicing T. Tom Olam, although I would agree with you in a larger sense that most people now are whether they realize it or not, slowly becoming spiritually judaic but i think it's more that they have slowly bled through with their influence and that they have taken a lot of our original ideas from dating back from the foundation of this

country and slightly after and just twisted them and perverted them and just turned us all off a few degrees of course a few degrees and now we've gotten where we ended up i mean i still remember and i'll drop i'll give up somebody else the floor here in a moment i still recall getting into an argument on Twitter, which I very, very rarely do. I find it to be a complete waste of time for me personally with somebody of a libertarian bent. It's almost 10 years ago now, talking about how, oh, the government should be allowed to take your money through an inheritance tax. You didn't earn it. And I just had to point out to him. I was like, you understand that's literally a communist plank, right? That's, I mean, I sent him a link to

Marxist.org. It's like, that's literally a communist plank to get rid of inheritance tax. And it was probably one of the only really solid argument engagements I ever had because he actually read it and wrote back. It's like, wow, I really need to rethink my position. I said, I'm glad you did. Have a good day. And that proves my point in one, well, it's circumstantial evidence on what I'm saying, is that a lot of our ideas of doing our thing, you know, being independent, taking our destiny in our hands is easily twisted to we have to, we have to fix the rest of the world because we know better than you so that's what i have to say on that topic there's some nuggets of truth that charles dropped there that i agree with in regards to

the prevailing non-interventionist isolationist tendencies in the u.s i mean you can find selective and cherry pick quotes from the founding generation and even figures from the earth days of the American Republic that could suggest a latent tendency among American political elites that would gravitate towards like phylo-Semitism and even like universalism. But the American Republic, at least until World War II, still had the counter elite, if you will, that had very restrained tendencies. For example, you can just look at it this way. Like after the Mexican-American War, there were countless people that wanted full-blown annexations of Mexico and even parts of Latin America. But you had

leaders like John Calhoun who said, like, no, we shouldn't be annexing these countries because they're just racially alien. They're going to sully the racial stock of the U.S. And even look at Reconstruction after the Civil War. The failed. building project that was attempted to be imposed on the South. It generally speaking

failed there and I think that points to a very strong tendency of non-interventionism among the American public but I think it changed obviously in the 20th century with the influx of

Jews and this new elite of Jews that incinuated themselves in the media, academia, and the governing structures. And from that point forward, you see policy moving in a dramatically anti-European direction in the United States. I think that everyone's made good points. I would just add that, right, this obsession with the neocon obsession with like going and make everywhere like Peoria, right?

Like, oh, well, democracy and all this other stuff. I mean, it's obviously was like self-interested nonsense that they were just lying or that they're hopelessly stupid or possibly both, like in the case of John Porrard's. But one thing that is clear is this whole idea that we can go and make everywhere like white and Northwestern European and Christian is it's non-tenable. It's just, it's crazy. And Tikum Olam, right, is like, we're going to turn every. into like a willing servant of the Jews basically and um Dennis Prager talked about it recently and I only bring him out because I know you I've discussed him in the past Pete like the fact that Jews have led secularization is like like a sin that we're going to he says that they're

all going to answer for it's like well thanks to you right like thanks to your secularization I'm going to be like on the left as I die like like Gen Z men are going to be like you know secular and very, very, very racist, very, very sexist, because they have no choice but to be or die, right? And this whole Ticam Olam thing is when you, you know, come down to it, it's just their excuse for them undermining and destroying societies. that might pose a threat to them and the difference between say what what you're trying to do with like the old glory club isn't like hey old glory club is going to invade Venezuela or like we're not going to like there's not going to be like an old glory club filibuster to like retake Cuba or something uh because they're too busy like making wherever they are worthwhile and you know maybe in a hundred years or something you know whatever but right right now what we're trying to do is like tender own knitting and we're not and we're being told no you can't yeah and that's because we have to go save other people like well wait like I have to

pay taxes like a hundred billion dollars I didn't like a hundred billion dollars went to like medical care for illegals or something just came out right people people that are here in the country illegally in members of gangs MS-13 Trindu or I go right like they kill people

both like they murder people and they kill people by dealing you know fentanyl poison drugs which all comes from China right oh if we enforce the law against people who like with face tattoos who murder people and worship Satan like then we can't do that like what

are you crazy that's nuts that's that's that's like you literally can't have a country you can't have a civilization when when there are you know mouthy women like trying to block police in the street because because like somehow the life of of like face tattoo guy is more important than like the kid down the street and I want to take one of your points D because you you you exactly sum up what I was trying to say when you bring up the old glory club I think that's a perfect example like I was honored to be contacted by the local branch here in Oklahoma and it was very

kind of them to reach out to me but I think therein lies the crucial point like they don't just they're not putting TikTok videos out for you they're not trying to get your kids to join like that's that's what TICOM olam is hey trans yourself You know, follow Black Lives Matter. Hey, do all this. Do what I'm doing. I'm telling you to do it. No, they scope people out.

They try and find people that already agree with them, that already live like them, or that want to. And then they give them that opportunity. They're not going into neighborhoods and telling people and handing out, you know, heroin needles and condoms and stuff. Hey, live my degenerate lifestyle. I think therein lies the key difference. And therein lies, the proof is in the pudding, as they say, of my point, and that the Old Glory Club, more or less, to my experience, my very limited experience, am I claiming I'm any kind of expert on them whatsoever? I'm just saying, to my experience, they have been very close-knit, although they have been very welcoming. They are not proselytizing in any type of sense that even vaguely mirrors the regime.

The regime is doing everything to get you to live like they want you to live. to get you to like the things they like and dislike the things they don't. Whereas organizations like the old glory club, I presume they reached out and contacted me because they said, hey, while this guy may not agree with everything we say, we don't agree with everything he says, we're largely on the same page.

We might want to talk to this guy. We might want to consider him for membership. And again, I was honored to be that way, but it wasn't like they just plastered themselves on every house on my block. So therein, I think, lies the key difference is that our guys are generally not proselytizers. What they are is noticers. What they are is guys that point out, hey, I see X.

Do you see X? Now, whether X is per capita or whether X is who gets all of our foreign aid or who is starting feminism, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. We can pick any topic you want. But they aren't necessarily saying, hey, come join my club. Hey, subscribe to my newsletter. Not necessarily, not in any grand scheme. However, TikTok is rife with things like trans, Black Lives Matter.

Not so much anymore, I understand. But gay pride, all sorts of stuff. So that's where I would put it, without belaboring the point any further. One is far more a proselytizer. and the other is far more a self-exile trying to survive. So the regime, for lack of a better term, wants Maine and California and Florida and Washington to all look the same. And the old Gorick up guys are like, why should Maine and Florida be the same? That's insane.

Right. The regime brings Somalis into Maine and everyone in the world into Southern Florida and then, you know, like, well, why doesn't everywhere in the world look like Southern Florida's? Well, I don't know, because Southern Florida is like where everyone with money in the Caribbean goes. I mean, right, they're going to be these places that are anthropo-type diverse places, but according to the regime,

like it's not acceptable that like rural kansas be white they have to like well you know there need to be chinese people and black people and hispanic people and micronesians and filipinos and eskimos in kansas otherwise the people in kansas haven't like had their life improved enough right like yeah exactly that's that's exactly it's like because they're they are are bringing their light. And the irony is it's not a candle. It's a flame thrower. And the irony is they're not bringing light to anything. They're burning everything down. That's the bitter irony of it. Now, maybe they're doing that intentionally or maybe it's just the way they are because of psychopathy, but they are what they are. That's the bitter irony to me is, as you point out,

D, like they're not bringing light. They're burning everything to the ground. And that's what drives me mad. And just one last point on my, I don't think heritage Americans and rank and file Americans are in on the Ticam Olam thing. And I'll say this. I can't use his name, but I have a buddy that has spent his lifetime in the military

and he's now a pretty reasonably high up guy of the DOD. And he says back in his day when he was in boot camp and going through all the army and all this stuff and he used to say that they're saying was whatever they were picking a fight with yet

in other countries, say, we're going to freedom the shit out of them. And they all laugh together. It's like, because they knew, you know, whether they knew consciously or subconsciously. They knew what the score was. They weren't bringing light to anything. They weren't giving anybody the American way of life. They were bombing the shit out of them and taking their stuff. And they knew it. And they didn't want to do it. But I mean, that's they signed up. That's, that's part of the horror of what they got told to do. But yeah, that phrase has always stayed with me. And I think it's very apt in this conversation. Yeah, we're going to freedom the shit out of them.

So I'll stop, so I don't belabor it any further. Yeah, I think just the point that I was trying to make is that the regime in charge has a goal. And when it comes to foreign policy, their goal has a tendency to look a whole lot like Tikon-Olam. And when you look at this regime, and when you look at the government, when you look at managerialism in general, I mean, it's had a hundred years to cement itself. There's only one way to basically stop being a managerial regime at this point. And it's not by dismantling it a little bit here and a little bit there. It needs to be completely destroyed. and it needs to be destroyed by a strong man.

And I think that there are, you know, I say this all the time. I think in our future there is right-wing or left-wing authoritarianism. And even with left-wing authoritarianism, the left-wing authoritarian who would come, would think that the managerial, in my opinion, would think that the managerial regime is holding them back from what they want to account. accomplish. So either way, I think it's going to be destroyed. You know, it's just a matter of now if it's going to be left or right-wing authoritarianism. I listen to people who say it's definitely going to be come from the left. And I hear people who say it's definitely going to come from the right. I don't know which one it's going to be. I know which one I prefer. You know, I prefer right. I'll prepare for left. But I guess my biggest thing is I see like trying to fix it

as trying to fix this government the way it runs right now in any other way than absolutely tearing it out limb by limb and root by root and putting something else in there and basically hoping that somebody friendly to you gets in there is you're just perpetuating this you're perpetuating it forever and I see it as a way of until you destroy it completely this power source, these people who have been, had so much influence over it and can, you know, have insane influence over it right now, although I think, I think it is waning as more people and more elites wake up to it. The Zionist Jewish supremacist influence thrives in the regime the way it's, the way it's constructed right now. And it can't be fixed.

by keeping it in the way it is right now. You're not going to take over it and use it against your enemies. It needs to be completely destroyed. If you want to destroy your enemies, you're going to have to destroy that. And I don't think I'm wrong. Maybe somebody can argue and say that I'm wrong. I don't see me being wrong.

And I've been looking at this now for years. I think, unfortunately, you're right. And here's why. think of all the procedural outcomes that you deal with the civil rights regime, right? Where there is no, structurally speaking, there is no way to make, you know, civil rights for white people. Because the very definition of civil rights is like the more, you know, whatever, the more non-straight white Christian male you are, the more you get to reach in that guy's wallet and take your stuff because reasons. right that's that's the the net result of the civil rights regime is and then whatever it's supposed it intended effects right the purpose system is what it does and there's no there's no taking this system and like turning it towards good ends because and and Michael Jones has talked about this but the reason the pro-life movement failed and failed and failed and failed is because they were treating the civil rights regime like it was a thing where it was about rights for people And so all of these, you know, mostly white Christian people, more women than men, but, right, they were always complaining about the oppressions and who's being oppressed here?

Well, they're killing babies. Well, yeah, they are killing babies. It's awful. It's murder. It's terrible. It's a sacrifice to Satan. But you are trying to use the framework set up specifically to disempower you. to get something done and like no the whole point of the system is to take away your political agency like thomas says right after 1948 it was illegal to be right wing like the whole point of the system is to disempower politically speaking white christian men and particularly white christian fathers well and when thomas says that you know that basically it's illegal to be right wing that's that's not necessarily yeah i don't when i hear a

him say that I'm not he's not talking about laws that were made he's talking about the spirit of the age he's talking about something that has to be changed not at the legal level but at a fundamental level I've also said this yeah I've I've said this before is you know all these people oh United States has to become 110 110 110 you get rid of all of them and you're still going to be a Jewish country because you're attitude the attitude about money and usury is was still influenced by them are you going to get rid of hollywood is pornography going away i mean basically a culture has been created that is antithetical to you know white european christian and most of christianity most of

American Christianity has embraced it and actually sees it as freedom and liberty. And how many times have you said, you know, you've seen some quote unquote right winger go, well, you know, Israel is the only, think about it, Israel's the only country in that region that has gay marriage, you know, that has gay marriage, has gay rights. Is that, yeah, with that Peter Parker, like, I was already against it. You didn't need to try and sell me right. and this is this is why you know we can't use this the present system right the tickam-olm system the dog regime the Nuremberg regime whatever you want to call it right

the point is to promote like trainees reading in libraries black satanic trainees reading to white children in a library in peoria illinois like that's that's the point of of the system. So you can't be like, well, we can turn this to something good. Like, no, no, you can't. Like, the fact that, the Tel Aviv is the GASC on earth and it's undermined Israel is kind of an accident. They bought their own premises. And yeah, go ahead, Charles, please. I'm just going to say, I think it's interesting, Pete, that that's, you, you said a lot of what I said earlier. So it seems we're in a pretty solid agreement. That's what I was saying is that we are that we have been perverted a lot of these ideas have been have

infected us and then they've twisted what we already believed as you say they can they interpret all these things now suddenly is freedom and I say well hold on a second you know for it's not what that's not exactly where we started from or where we where we were intending to go but I do agree that that's exactly where we've ended up and I posit it's for the reasons that I said that we ended up there because our original ideas were corrupted and and not to say that that we aren't partly responsible for that for falling to the corruption. But I do think it's interesting that we're largely in agreement in that sense. I also agree with Thomas 777 when he says it's illegal to be a right wing in the sense that it's more of a societal social illegality than it is a fundamental governmental illegality.

Although we could argue that there is a fair amount of that. But it's far more deleterious than that because it is, as you say, at a social level. A lot of these ideas are just completely taboo. I still remember in 2016 when I was picking up a gal I was dating, worked at the library near me. I'm scrolling through my phone and one of her coworkers comes up to me and she says, oh, he says, are you following Trump on Twitter? And I just looked at him and I went,

nah, he's two left wing for me. And I thought the guy was going to just fall over dead in front of me, like just absolute shock that not only would somebody, you know, admit to anything even close to looking at Trump, but saying that going one step further and saying that he was two left wing. So again, I see your point, and I do kind of co-sign that as far as the illegality of the right wing. And I just wanted to bring attention to the fact that we were largely saying the same thing, that the influences have bled down and twisted us into something that we should not be, and that it is, in fact, antithetical to the ways of the life of our

ancestors. And it's not something we should want to spread to the rest of the world. Agreed. I mean, we're, it's spiritual AIDS. And in most, and in a lot of cases, literally, it's. But, yeah, this is not something. I mean, do we, do we want like every government in Europe, in the white world to, like, have a government like ours that operate?

rates like ours. I mean, it's already terrible over there. I mean, we don't want our government to operate like ours. Yeah. So it's like, what are we trying to, what are we trying to protect here? Like, I mean, I know, you know, we have guys on our side who are working in the government right now. And, I mean, I know a bunch of guys who have been hired by, by ICE and, you know, border patrol. And I'm just waiting for the reports. to see just exactly what they aren't allowed to do. Because, I mean, I'm not buying.

I can't buy into this whole thing about how, well, we're going to get, we're going to clear it out. You know, with the 80 million people who don't belong here or the 50 million people who don't belong here, they're gone. They're gone. I mean, they can't get rid of a sitting politician who celebrates the death. of like a friend of the president and openly says, I don't care about America, I'm here to protect Somali people. I'm here to serve Somali people. I mean, plug that person into, first of all, that person is not getting elected to any, any government a hundred, a hundred years ago, any white government a hundred years ago. But if they did, how long are they going to

last. When did we become, when does it become, oh, we not only do we have to be, you know, not only do we have to be kind and be tolerant towards, you know, the stranger within our border, but we have to be kind and tolerant towards a stranger in our border who gets positions of power and then goes to war with the people who've been here, you know, two, three, four hundred years longer than her on behalf of people who got here through some kind of loophole because, you know, we have people who've been elected, gotten positions of power over the last hundred years that absolutely hate us and just want to destroy us. What exactly are we trying to preserve?

How do you think you change that other than by absolutely crushing the whole system into dust and starting over again. Sorry. You're not going to convince me. Oh, I mean, when you first, you know, get into like the Cato Institute, right? Oh, Cato, the great Roman center.

Like, no, Rome, by the time of the seizures, was a corrupt oligarchy, and someone needed to come in and just like, nope, we're not doing this anymore. You know, um, I think you've talked about it, Pete, but there's, you know,

the, catastrophists and and in Spain right there were the conservatives who were like oh well it's just you know we we can fix the system and then there were people like no we need to crush everything like obviously the catastrophists were right in Spain um and and similarly today right like there's there's no letisha james is a lying criminal who never should have been let anywhere near any kind of power in any capacity whatsoever. And yeah, she might do some jail time for her mortgage fraud. But is that going to bring VDAIR back?

Is that going to bring all the people that she harassed? What about the National Life Association? They were harassed. Like, are those people going to be made whole by the state of New York's office? The state of New York doesn't have any money. How can they make people whole? You know? I could burn your house down and be like,

I'm really sorry. Here's all the ashes, I guess. Is that like, technically you gave me my house back. But it's, it's not any use anymore, right? You burned it down. It's all ash.

So, you know, the people who are busily burning down our civilization, like they need to be stopped. And people, yeah. And I don't know that Charles ever went through a libertarian phase, but I know three of us have. I did in college briefly, yes.

So I'm part of the club. Yes, go ahead. Okay, so you're the, you're the cool guy who got out of it by the end of the college. Okay, good. Busting you're nuts. You know, I could be the libertarian who's like, oh, well, just end the state, bro. well here's a problem with the libertarian ideas libertarians like oh just end the state and then everyone is automatically going to adopt my you know everyone's going to want to be an anarcho-capitalist

even though you haven't built anything you haven't built a system where to show it works anywhere anything like that or you know even small government i think i'm very realistic because this is going to be torn down one way or another. I mean, this is literally heading to not a mass continental wide mass civil war, but we are headed to like the years of lead or like pockets of the Spanish Civil War. And for people who don't think that, I mean, I don't think it's blackpilling to say that. I think it's just a reality of knowing history. And sure, I think things are going to get better.

I know things are going to get better. But how? You can make things better for yourself individually. There are still ways you can, you know, beat this system individually or organized with people on the local level. People, you know, even statewide, who agree with you. And you can come up with plans to protect yourself from, from, you know, encroaching government. But this is going to be torn down one way or another. Either one man is going to do it, and that's going to cause people to rise up and be violent.

He's going to have to crush that, whether right or left. And as a matter of fact, I would say, if it's a left-wing Caesar, the right will not rise up. because they don't do that the Spanish did it but yeah well the problem with conservatives I mean I'm on the many but the main problem with conservatives

is they trust the institutions despite the fact that the institution was hauled out and is being worn like a skin suit by evil people right there are conservatives who will still defend the Boy Scouts right now I was like well Biden Powell though And it's like, but now when, you know, 30 years ago, like, you weren't allowed in the Boy Scots if you were gay and now being gay is mandatory, right?

Like, well, I don't know what to tell you other than, you know, you know, do as our Lord said, shake the dust from your feet and get out of there. But far too often, right, you know, conservative will, we'll sit there and be like, well, I guess, you know, but. And it's a temperament thing, right? They need the state to be the one to legitimize their violence. Otherwise, they won't do it. Well, also, they're trained to accept a left-wing dictator and to attack a right-wing dictator. I mean, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Soviet Union was terrible, but we definitely had to side with them in World War II.

And you make arguments against it. And you show easily how the United States could have sided with Germany and, like, the destruction of Europe and the European peoples could have been avoided. And it's cognitive dissonance. They won't hear that, they won't hear that alternate timeline because they've already been sold something. We punch right and we, we reach out to the left and we punch right. and so when if it is a right-wing dictator that comes along you may have right-wing you may have quote-unquote right-wing or people who are still holding on to classical liberalism or conservatism still calling themselves right-wing while being left-wing

but they'll be fighting against it they'll fight along they'll fight alongside the leftists that are rising up but if it's a left-wing dictator they'll try to make they'll try to make peace with them. Yeah, because it's just fundamentally don't understand what time it is. They don't understand human nature. Yeah, I mean. They think everyone wants

limited government. Everyone wants limited government. And, you know, if we can just, you know, pocket. Well, yeah, this is funny. It's funny. We need updated versions of the Constitution. We need to send, like,

maybe larger print versions of the Constitution to Liberia, and that'll, that'll straighten everything. everything out. Bro, it's the six-year presidential term. That's the reason everything falls apart. I have to write the Constitution, like the BBC, write some of its news reports, and that was that pigeon?

What is it? Pigeon English. It's funny you mentioned that, Pete, about the everybody wants limited government after busting my chops about being the one guy in college that got out of libertarianism. Because you guys got out of libertarianism because you guys had the intellectual capacity. thought it through and you're all like that i i'm not even giving myself that much credit i got out of it because i didn't live in a nice enough area it's like oh wait no not enough people are like me this isn't going to work i i just never lived in really good areas to to be able to hold on to

that luxury belief i could i couldn't afford it i was like uh-oh this isn't going to work so yeah it's funny to hear that that just get larger print books of this because yeah it's not going to work I also think it's interesting, too, when you talk about these things as far as getting people on board or watching everybody else just punch right, punch right. That's what they always do. Because to me, it seems like it stems from our very founding. It's like, well, we punched right then. And we're founded literally on the concept of rebellion. We're founded literally on the concept of do our own thing.

It's not surprising that we are very, very, very ripe for a left-wing ideology. Like, hey, you just need to do your thing. You need to do things how you want to do it. So, I mean, I would say that it was sort of baked into the cake from the beginning. Our ousture of tradition, our ousture of just eons, basically, of hierarchy. It's like, well, that sort of baked this leftism and liberalism into our particular cake. Now, how do we square that circle? I mean, I guess the best thing you do is,

as we said earlier, just try and go back to our ancestors before that, because I kind of pull off of both you and D on this one. It's like, I don't think going back to our founding fathers is going to solve anything. I think they're part of the problem, if I'm being honest, in a lot of ways, unintentionally, certainly, but I think they're, because they couldn't possibly have foreseen how far it was going to go. Because again, they suffer from the same issue. It's like they, I don't think they, they realized that everybody didn't think like that. Please, go ahead. Pete. I don't want to talk about it. Oh, no, no. You're good. Well, I think a lot of the people who are like, a lot of people will be like, well, you know, we could have the Constitution

again if we just had heritage Americans. It's like, which ones? Well, you, and now you're just sound like a libertarian because you think that, oh, if you just have like a society of white people who, can you show me the society of white people that hasn't been completely judaized hasn't been completely judiized for the last hundred years well you you think that you can you get rid of every minority out of this country and all of a sudden you institute we're just going to go by the constitution and you don't think things are going to fall to shit because people aren't ready for there is no going back to anything if you're going back to anything you're going back to cultural norms and things like that you're going back to like a literal constitution not a piece of

paper you're going back to the constitution of a people but you also have to understand that the constitution of the people has been under attack for a hundred years through through everything from turning on your radio in your car to turning on your tv to going to the movies to going to school and people think oh well we just it's going to be so easy well well we have to start somewhere well i mean sure you have to start somewhere but do you realize that i mean i think everyone on this call is a big fan of sam francis but there's and there a lot of the people listening are big fans of sam francis but the most important thing he ever wrote was about the revolution of mass and scale that you cannot rule over 300 million people 200 million people

100 million people it just doesn't work it doesn't work especially when you have you know you know and people could say oh well you know if we had just heritage americans doing that okay how sure it's a good place to start sure but it's like you know sure you get rid of the people who who are responsible for 60% of the murders. It's a great start. You're also talking about in fantasy land now. So what do you do? It all comes back to, you know,

when you start nailing down San Francisco talking about mass and scale, how you just cannot have that many people. That, you know, people who want to talk about culture and want to talk about family, And then they want to talk about spreading that out to 100 million people, 150 million people. How does that work? There's a reason why there was 13 colonies.

There's a reason why there were cities that, like, in Maryland that only Catholics lived in. I mean, people aren't thinking this through. They want to go back, but you can't go back. Everything's changed. So you have to figure out something new. And, you know, there's going to be echoes of the past in it, of course. Because, you know, you're going to want to live historically. But you're just the people who think, oh, if we just go back to the Constitution and there's heritage Americans and everything will be great.

How many daughters of the American Revolution are like shitlib friggin college professors? yeah that loser with warren phenotype is a problem it's like come on guys you're you're not thinking this you're you're making it too easy you know and i don't have all the answers i'm not i'm not going to sit here and pretend i have all the answers i think i have some damn good questions going forward i think i have you know i think i have some good suggestions i think that i think it's pretty obvious you know, what the answer is, at least for now, what you should be building and what you should be doing. But, you know, I think it just really goes to show when people fight me so hard on it that they are really stuck in, really stuck thinking that if they can just go back and, well, there's no time travel and people have changed.

and if you believe in like evolutionary psychology like Kevin McDonald talks about people like that and people really do change like they're they're wiring um they're why they can be rewired and that's something you have to deal with as well and you can't deal with that at at a mass scale you have to start you have to start very small feel free to disagree with me anyone well I think You're running into the problem of scale, right? Effectively, right, the reason for the mid-century regimes of Spain, Italy, and Germany, right, was the understanding that, like, you're playing at scale and you can't, as much as you might like to be, you know, like a distributist who has your artisanal widgets and your home economics and your village, right? like you're competing against people that will use ruthless scale to destroy you and roll over you and kill you.

So you have to at least fight on the same scale they do. So I can understand why people would want that big scale. Like, it makes sense. I would, I mean, agree with you in terms of everything you've said about the scale being a problem. And, you know, Heritage Americans, a lot of them being corrupted. and even if, but an old friend of mine used to say the first step is deceding in your mind and he was a southern nationalist, so, I mean, that's where he was coming from. But the important thing, that important first step is like, is fixing yourself, I would say.

And, you know, read, listen to stuff like this, listen to, you know, Pete Sears, Dr. Johnson. or just, you know, the complete Maurice Samuel you Gentiles read that he just finished. You know, understanding your own people and understanding where people are coming from. And I'm too frequently, you know,

I get very impatient with people. So I'll be dealing with some normies and I'm like, well, what do you think of so and so? I'm like, oh, I don't particularly like that person. And for this sort of things Charles said of like, no, like they're too milk toast. And they'll kind of be shocked. and like, oh, I didn't, I didn't know that there was a further right.

And this is, well, yeah, yeah, there is. Well, you know, welcome to the party, I guess. But what that the difficulty is, is that how do you bring people along without, like, losing patients and offending people? and like that would be the thing that I think that we need to do because obviously everything isn't working stuff isn't working you know there's crazy people everywhere there's drugs and crime and foreigners and people aren't forming families and you know like take take take take your pick and there's a problem so uh how you persuade people I I think that that's the most important thing

we can do right now is this sort of thing anyone else we're uh we're coming up on time pretty quickly so if anyone has any yeah if anyone has any things they want to say please go right ahead yeah i think we we should always be willing to ask uncomfortable questions and reassess conventional wisdom with regards to the american political project and look for any flaws that have led to the present situation and also be willing to think and act on our feet with respect to building new solutions because sometimes you have to clear out the deadwood if you want to move forward and you can't stick to failed strategies or strategies that are simply out of date to the problems we're facing because they're quite unique in nature

and they're actually existential at this point but it's always good to hash out disagreements and bring up new ideas and also challenge the prevailing orthodoxy because we're in this situation for a reason. We just have to figure out what has brought us here. Charles? Yeah, anything? Just a couple of very brief points to wrap it up for me. I want to step back to something you said where people talk about, well, just heritage Americans will make everything better again. And while that will certainly improve it, I think D and I are very much on same page there. I'm sure you and I are too with that. I would just simply say, did we forget the civil war happened? I mean, wasn't that largely heritage Americans? I mean, we imported a lot of

Irish the North did to fight for them, but largely we still had a civil war when we were all much more similar than we are today, I would argue. And I would also point out that the reason we are the United States of America and not just America is because the whole point was we wanted to get together for mutual protection and trade, but all still have our own particular way of life, as you pointed out accurately, Pete, 13 colonies for a reason. New Jersey wanted to live like New Jersey, Delaware wanted to live like Delaware, et cetera, et cetera. So we were never as whole and as shared as many commonalities as we like to pretend we did. What we managed to do was understand that there were differences and then just managed to maintain a certain friendliness

or a certain warmth or strengthened the few commonalities we did have. And again, I think that's why this Judaic influence has been so destructive because they're far more, they're less high trust. They're far more psychopathic in that sense. You said earlier, Pete, and I'll use this to wrap it up. The easiest way to trade with people is be friendly with them. But certain people, this planet don't know how to be friendly. They know how to manipulate. They know how to twist. They know how to, you know, shuck and jive and trick and do all that. But they don't really know how to just be friendly. And therein lies a tremendous difference that I don't know that really can be overcome. So that's, that's it for me today. Don't wrap up with anything, Dave?

Now, just support the people to support you. I mean, Jose Substack is fantastic. Read his articles at the Yawks getting an old observer and support Pete's substack and read Charles's books, man. It's a, you know, you're not going to win this being ignorant and, you know, support the people that don't lie to you. I appreciate it, gentlemen. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. That's great.

I appreciate a gentleman. And, you know, once again, thank you. And until the next time, I appreciate y'all.