The Pete Quiñones Show - Thomas777 Livestream 03-28-26

Episode Date: March 31, 2026

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brave, we're alive. Yeah, thanks for doing this and sorry for postponing. I was in really difficult shape the past few days, but I think I'm going better. I know I am because I can walk around again, basically unassisted, and that's a really

awful feeling. Again, I don't want to belabor these things because that's depressing and it's lame, but it's fucked up, man, to not be able to, to not be able to move around in your own power, you know, and I plan to be around for a minute. There's no guarantees, and, you know,

I may well be around for other 30 or 40 years, and I prefer not to be wheeling around like Christopher Reeve or something. I mean, in his case, he got injured in an incredibly stupid way. I mean, that's what it be mean, but becoming a, becoming a quadro because you were engaged in some foppish rich guy sport and a horse like

bucked you off and like broke your fucking brain that's really stupid you know that's not that's not like having a degenerative disease or it's like being a gladiator and getting and getting like hit so hard by Jack Tatum that like you just break

it's like you know I've become I've become skilled equestrian look at my tights in my dressage. It's like, that's some faggot shit, man. I don't know.

Like, you shouldn't be doing that. I mean, I don't know. That was a stupid rant, but I, you have these kinds of thoughts if you're sick and your mind's fall,

you've got a fever and you're like, I can't get up and walk around. I'm like, am I going to turn into some asshole in a wheelchair? Like, I mean, not people in wheelchers are in assholes, but I feel like one.

Um, um, um, just because and considering the way I live my life, I wouldn't feel real thrilled about that for a few different reasons. But so, in this, but this one of my mind, I mean, these kinds of things are always kind of, um, on my mind conceptually because of what my subject areas are. Since I've been on YouTube, since I set up my channel, I've started, I've started, um,

looking around at what political content looks like on there and more. I mean, both because I want to get a sense what the algorithm is, so I don't totally fail at it. I mean, again, I'm not trying to stack up as many numbers as I can because that's bullshit. And I'm not a clout chaser. And also, with the kind of thing I do, that would never happen anyway. But to get a clear picture sort of at the state of the body politic and how these major platforms, I mean, YouTube's not properly social media, but it does have that aspect. And so, you know, and I watch YouTube a lot, but it's curated stuff.

Like I'll watch military 1945 Or I'll watch Some of these Restored High Deaf videos From the Third Reich Or I'll watch You know World War I stuff or something

I And I'll watch podcasts Like the Event Horizon pod But I don't consume a hell of a lot of content They're a political nature Rather than Sean Ryan And prior talk

But I started doing more at it And there's an overwhelming The overwhelming amount of it I haven't coded it But it's got to be over 70%. It's got to be close to 3.480% of the politically coded content. It's anti-woke stuff that's 100% about Hollywood IPs or about what's on TV or about what some legacy media infotainment anchor is signaling or what Stephen Colbert is saying. And it's like, okay, if they're approaching it as this is, you know, what legacy media is saying, look at how out of touch they are.

or this is either trying to characterize or in peace questions, I'd be like, okay, yeah, that, that makes sense. You know, especially if you're a media analyst, and I'm not, you know, I'm a dad of junkie, but I'm not,

I don't deal in media primarily. But that's not what it is. It's these guys saying, this is an outrage because I love Star Trek and the woke Marxists are ruining it. I mean, if that's kind of lame anyway, especially if you're a grown man, I don't understand if it was like teenagers

or something. I mean, I was never that invested in IPs, like, from the time, like, after I, after I stopped and obsessed with, you know, things like tabletop games and kids stuff, I kind of became obsessed with the shit I'm going to do now, like, rock and roll and third Reich and stuff. And maybe that means I'm like a stunted man, okay? But, I mean, my point being, even though I like stuff like Battlestar Galactic, or, like, Mad Cross Saga, I, that wasn't, like, invested in it. was my religion or something because they'd be fucked up.

But these guys are and they're convinced that the Kulder Komp venue is pop cultural stuff. And aside in the fact, I mean, I don't be cliche and talk about how you know, or be some can't teller's

old person, be like, oh, if, you know, you're over 21, you shouldn't be into that shit or whatever. But, I mean, that case can be made. But these guys their entire worldview and the way they view authority and the way they view potentialities, it's totally tethered due regime authority and adjacent elements, like legacy media.

Like that's why would people ask, like sometimes when it's a landmark or whatever just like out and about, like guys and girls will strike up conversations with me because I'm kind of an unusual-looking person to be charitable. And the last one I'm into, and obviously I, you know,

other than flying the flag I do, I don't have to discuss that kind of stuff with them. But, you know, I don't know what to tell him, man, because it's like I'm not into the shit you're into. Like, the novelists I like are guys who are friends, like, other than Shane Stevens and, you know, Gustav Hasford and stuff like that. The novels have been to our dudes I know and, like, you know, break on it with. I don't like read Harry Potter or watch Yellowstone or some stupid, I don't. IP that I'm like all invested in. And honestly, that's not some too cool for school

cope, but it's not it's not some newfangled thing, man. Like a dude I got a lot of respect for is, you know, Johnny Rotten. He's like a good dude. And he's, he's the good kind of Irishman, you know, who calls people out on shit, you know, without filter.

You know, in the whole, when they, when they canceled him or tried to, you know, Johnny Ron's all thing, the way he presented it is he's like, you know, we were trying to create an alternative to the system and what it was putting out, because the system was trying to wipe away actual culture, because that's the basis of dissent. You know, and a lion's got an interesting backstory,

because he grew up at a genuine white ghetto. and his parents were Irish immigrants. I think originally they settled in Merseyside, then he ended up in London. You know, but, and that's, that's when people didn't particularly like Irish people in London. I mean, I'm sure now you can still go to, I mean, I'm sure you can go to places on the mainland

where that's still the case, but it's probably more in kind of like loyalist strongholds and stuff, you know, in Scotland. But, you know, the whole, if you don't like what the system is doing, if you're actually opposed to it, you do exactly that. You do what these early punk guys did and say, what they're putting out on the radio is garbage.

We're going to create our own shit that we think is cool. You know, and there was a lot of that, I mean, admittedly in Europe, especially visual art but other kinds of creative activity, that's got an outsized impact on the political in a way it doesn't in America. But that's why it's such a joke when these boogeys and these regime adjacent historians, they pretend like the fascists or the national socialists were these Mitt Romney guys who wanted to censor things.

It's like these were the dudes you people censor. Hitler was literally an artist. Like the dudes who constituted, like the march on Rome, it was a bunch of, It was a bunch of self-identified outlaws and artists and futurists who wanted and, you know, war veterans who developed a contempt for the stability and the conceits of bourgeois life, you know, because their formative experiences of teenagers and young men was in the trenches. You know, there's this something that normies can never understand. and it plays in obviously to the fact too that

these fools and most of him admittedly live exclusively online but some of our applauded into packs and stuff you know these guys being like the plan trusters who

Trump could literally like rape their sister in front of them and they'd say like you know if everybody Trump's do it here's reasons but they're obsessed with this idea that you can't possibly go outside the parameters of the extant structure. And aside the fact that that's historically obsolescent, like, why the fuck would you want to involve yourself with that anyway?

But, I mean, that's a litmus test, you know, if you're not, if you're obsessed with abiding convention as defined by regime authority, you know, you're a boozy fuck who's obsessed with fitting in and not making waves and, God forbid, breaking the law. You know, and those people have nothing to do with us. They're the opposite of us. They think that we should be locked up. You know, and that's, I don't know, people come down on me, too, for talking about

bougie sensibilities because they can't think outside the box. They think there's just like some kind of. Tommy term or something, but you don't understand. Like both street people and rich people, in other words, people with hustle, they don't think that way. It's only trashy strivers who are obsessed with clout and obsessed with what randos are going to think about them

and who love the police for its own sake. They're the people who think that way. You know, and that's why everybody, that's why everybody dunks on them because they're fucking assholes. You know, like they're, it's a wealthy. A wealthy person is, a wealthy person is only interested in the regime to see how they can use it either for, they can use their wealth to either make sure that it doesn't touch them or that it can somehow benefit them. But that doesn't necessarily, I mean, you're a rich person, you know, like Miriam Adelson or something like that. You think she actually worships politicians?

I think she actually worships cops? No, she has utter disdain for them. Well, that's also, too, if you're a rich guy or lady, the police work for you, such that you have anything to do with them. But, like, something I realized separates me for boogeys, what kind of a person, what kind of a rational adult, man, a woman calls the police as if there's some conflict resolution service? Like, no hood dude, no fucking outlaw, white dude, and no, no rich guy would ever do that. because if you do that, you're a complete fuckhead. And it's also just not the way adults think. Like, you're going to go tell the teacher,

like you call the police on yourself because somebody hurt your feelings or you can't sort your own shit out. You know, it's like, the fuck's wrong with you. You know, anybody who thinks that way, their epistemic priors are fucked. You know, and they're not, they're not educable.

You know, that was, that was Mefskar's old point. And he was right about that. that. And um, that's just one, uh, that's just one example. And I'm not, uh, I don't categorically hate the police despite the, I mean, I'd never call them. I don't trust them. But, uh, one of the fellows who's coming to, he's coming by to meet me because he's in town visiting family as a police, you know, and he's a good dude. I mean, I, uh, there's a logistics of my wife. I'm not going to open up to him, but it's kind of the way I am with everybody who's not, you know, like somebody who's a true friend of mine.

But, you know, people, I don't like him when people who's trying to dismiss what I say is if I'm some police hater because I, of the way I live my life and stuff, because of my background. Well, the guy told me, guys told me years ago, probably 20 years ago, he said the only reason to call the police is if, like, your bank account gets hacked and you have to fill out a police reports to like get the insurance on it. He was the only way you do it. Or if you blast some guy breaking into your house and it's like, look, I'm calling to you

so you don't claim I just fucking murdered this guy in cold blood. There's a dead body in my fucking front one. Yeah, and I called my lawyer before I called the police. Yeah, exactly. I mean, like, don't do me wrong. It's definitely if you're a single woman in the big city or something. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about these dickheads where

it's like, you will look at me wrong. I'm going to call the police because I'm a white nigger, goy or fuckhead. Like, you know, I've actually posed that question in Normies who pulled that on me. It hasn't happened lately, but

that probably means it's going to happen again soon. You know, I'm calling the police and I say, okay, I mean, obviously I bounce immediately. I'm not going to, like, wait around, like, hash this out in a conversation with the fucking police. But I say, like, what exactly are you going to tell them? And they give them this, like, befuddled look where it's like

in their little mind. It's like, you offended me or hurt my feel, so of course I'm calling the police because they're the teacher and they're going to make you do math problems on the chalkboard or ratchet knuckles or something. You know, but I

there should be an obvious point, but it's not. And it plays into a broader thing, man. You realize how not on side these people are. Like, I remember like when I right before I got out of law school that's when these freaks were

that's when their big fetish was pretending that there's something that exists called day marriage it's like when people would ask you about it I'd say well that doesn't exist like what do you want to say about it it doesn't exist it's like marriage is a categorically discreet sacrament

the not the state can't declare that the non-existence of something in human societies is an example of invidious discrimination and then stick it into reality I'm like, if you think that judges can create human sacramental practices by speaking them, you think judges are sorcerers?

Are there some like supreme rabbinic council? They're holy men. I mean, the government could say tomorrow that, you know, grass isn't green, it is blue. Like, why would I care? So people acting like, they're going to ruin marriage. I'm like, why? This is not within the government's purview. like a miscerity anyway.

It'd be like if I said, you know, there's no human societies that hold funerals for living people. That's because they're denying alive people of the festive celebration and the somber reverence

given to dead people. That's discrimination. You know, I'm going to see to it that the local magistrate issues a declaratory judgment that living people have a human right to a funeral.

Okay. I mean, if I, so I walked outside and there was people enjoying funerals who were alive as if they were like a little kid having a birthday party, those people are disturbed. Or they're really, really, really fucking stupid. Or they're just delusional. Like this idea that government can annihilate culture through declaratory judgments of some crazy Jewish judge. Like, I don't understand how people think that way. But they do. you know, that's why

a bunch of these queers who like want to buy PC Principal Hegsaf's soiled underwear and stuff these like these like closet socket sausage jockey vetros and stuff they're like all peeing in their pants and super happy because they're like PC Principal ended woke. I'm like well what do we do?

Is the military's mandate no longer to enforce social engineering by violence that he removed all, perhaps he homosexuals and females from the military. No, he said he can do a lot of push-ups, then he drops Instagram videos

of him lifting weights, like some little kid. And then he says that he's like a Billy badass warfighter. And, um, like that's it to these people. You know, because they're like,

yeah, see, like the last guy, he was talking about woke stuff. You know, it's, Uh, that's also good of, yeah, Higsup got rid of the woke stuff.

Um, now it's just, uh, double the punishment if you make a juju. Yeah. What else he didn't get rid of the woke stuff? Like, he's peace and principle. You know, like, he'll, like, threaten to, like, physically assault you if you, like, make a sexist joke or something. Like, that, that's his, that's his angle.

It's his jive. But, I mean, the fact is, I mean, anybody who thinks the military's cool at all is, like, fucked in the head. Like, I, you know, it'd be like any self-identified, like, yeah, I'm pro-white and right wing, but I love the U.S. military.

It'd be like a Comanche being like, I love the cavalry. It was awesome when like they totally fucked up my way or what. Like, I, you know, so that's why people need, I mean, that's why anybody who claims to be on side needs to cut ties with this bullshit, you know, and that's not, I mean, that's, to be clear,

I mean, this is a complicated point, but it is reducible to some precepts that should be fairly to address. Human psychology, it's highly symbolic, conceptually. It's, um, that's part of the way the mind structures the world. You know, as it receives inputs, you know, It'd be interesting to see how if, you know, like if there was truly somebody who was in, availed a sensory deprivation, like how that would shake out.

I don't mean like some stupid fantasy story like, like the Helen Keller story. You know, that was something pushed by old Anglophone socialists and new dealers. I mean, if there actually was a man or a woman of high intelligence who went blind and deaf early on, or was otherwise availed to sensory deprivation, like what neural pathways would develop and how symbolic psychology would shake out within their own conceptual inner life. But those kinds of thought experiments aside,

you know, people, they become attached instinctively to this idea that authority that they can witness and experience, or tangibly brush up against, that's kind of their stand in for, that's kind of their stand in for God. You know, that's also why even people you'd think would know better when they talk about government solutions.

It's not just as if these things can resolve social problems or material deprivation or things of that nature. It's not just the divide between Keynesians and supply sites, It's people literally thinking that there's something miraculous about the ability of government to render outcomes, you know, in sociological or material terms. And that doesn't make any sense, you know, whatsoever. And vanguardists don't think that way because by definition, they don't just reject the legitimacy of the regime they live under. they they don't view it as anything other than a

configuration of power that is has become permanent owing to a combination of historical conditions and deliberate contrivances you know they may have other consensual biases you know even take like the provos in northern Ireland they they believe in a lyric utopia of their own, I'd argue. But even that, I think, was probably tempered by the reality of, you know, a 30-year cycle of

partisan warfare. I mean, that's a complicated question. When the psychology is the partisan with respect to statecraft and the symbolic aspects of of, of, the lyric authority and political power. But stay on Utopia for a second there. Yeah. It seems like that is, you know, there are a bunch of people who are running around

who are so ideologically possessed that anything short of their, like they believe that they're basically advocating for their utopia and nothing less. And they don't want to do anything to achieve that or try to make it happen other than post online. Well, yeah, because they're not actually engaged. And that's also, that's pure political theology.

It's not just faith-based, but it doesn't entail any actual practice. It's like this set of rigid conceptual prejudices and secularized values that nevertheless are constantly the religious paradox. within the minds of the congregant. But if you're advocating for your utopia online, I mean, what are you doing other than trying to say that you can reach that utopia by trying to take a hold of the existing regime, which by advocating for a utopia,

you're saying that you want to destroy, you know, you want to overthrow. unless you're so delusional that you think that you can have your utopia within regime framework. Well, no, they're not even, there's not even that sophisticated of conceptual practice behind it. It's like you and Anthony Ramundo said when you, when you set up these libertarian guys, these weren't a bunch of guys of the hustle or small businessmen or private equity guys even or anything. There was like weird old pothead guys Like living off some woman Who were like saying weirdo shit online

And they were doing That they were actually nothing to help people Resist you know The COVID mayonnaise and things Because it's now what it's about with It's something like weird cult And they're waiting for some That's also what these guys

A lot of these guys are like goofy preppers Even though they don't know anything about homesteading and they're not like country guys because it's they got this like deluse story or this apocalypse narrative where there's going to be some punctuated event

where all these things are going to come to pass that they want to happen by way of you know punctuated equilibrium and I mean again it's just like faith-based bullshit you know and that's hanging around the liberal go about to libertarians

hanging around them, what I really started to understand after a while was that they were creating these packs and they wanted to take over the Libertarian Party, which is a, it is a registered political party that gets money, yada, yada, for one reason. They were all, they basically wanted a job to get paid for doing nothing. Yeah. No, that was it. That's the only, I mean, there was, sure, I knew a couple people in there who were successful in their private life. They had, you know, they were successful in, they had jobs, they had businesses, they had careers. But for the most part, it was people who hated their jobs and saw this as an opportunity to basically have a job where they didn't really have to do anything. And then when you started digging into it, you found out, oh, if, you know, some guy.

And it was just basically they were they were complaining about the regime while getting a job in the party and then getting grant money from the party for your wife or girlfriend and just doing exactly what the regime does. Well, that's libertarianism is always going to cult. If you're not, you know, I, one of the things like Ernst Younger is because I, you know, I relate to that. and there's also a meaningful practice there. And if you're at, you know, and anarchism, you don't realize that anarchism was a serious tendency. I mean, they blew up,

uh, the reason why we got the, you know, uh, new federal court house was ultimately became the, the Dersson Center. They literally blew up the old Chicago federal court. But,

um, anarchism, uh, is a real tendency you know that has a practice behind it and the syndical is

who are worth reading including George Sorrell who's an underappreciated political theorist there's a lot of convergence there like the reason why these guys don't identify with dad is because first of all they're they're basically midwit boogeys that's why they're into garbage like Ann Rand

but they're also, they're fixated on these positive liberties that they think are so important, whether it's smoking weed. I mean, I guess that's kind of not their thing anymore, because now you can smoke weed without getting heat from the law, or like some like weird sex parapheria or some bullshit like that, you know, because it's totally cult coded. You know, I, um, I'm, uh, I'm probably a, I'm probably, anti-government person I know I can't think of anything I've in common with libertarians

including first and foremost too like why it's like why do you guys have a party that doesn't make me sense in America anyway you know I don't people really think I'm being a pedant but I it's assinine that people pretend that the Democrats

and Republicans are parties they're not you know and single member districts in the entire way and a winner take all system I mean constitutionally American structures that there won't be political parties that's by design you know and

plus I mean like defeat it's it's it's counterintuitive or it's an Nazi moron I'm going to start a political party to challenge for elections to get rid of the government so like my my policy you want to get into the government and create this whole blow to the apparatus is

we're going to like shut down the government we're going to use our political party in this whole apparatus to shut down the government that we just got to see what it didn't do like that. That's that's like Bradbury's fire department that starts fires. You know? And it's like too, I mean again, it's like I

it's like okay if you're so nowadays as I'm always emphasizing and I'm old enough to have witnessed this transition or decades, the mobility of capital and the availability of information and

present sense awareness to the second or not the millisecond, this changed everything. If you want to quit regime shit, you can. You know, you've got a lot of freedom to do stuff now. So if you're Joe Libertarian and even if I think you're into dumb stuff,

like you want to smoke a bunch of pot and like screw a bunch of girls. Okay, so go do that. Like, who's stopping you from doing that? You know, but again, that's not what it's about to them. I mean, that's part of it because they got juvenile interest, but it's this airsoft religion, called political theology.

Well, anybody who has leftist sentences and leftist inclinations, it wants, wants it to be, they know for a fact that it's against nature and it's unnatural and they want, they're looking for somebody to say, yes, this is okay. And that's why you always see, you have to have gay marriage, you have to have, you know, prostitution is good. All this stuff has to be good because they know deep down inside that it's not and they need the,

so they have to advertise it and they have to try to. advocated for it politically so that people can say, yes, yes, you're okay with this. Like when you look at libertarians, everything, when they advocate for something, it's like literally the only wins that they ever get are things that help the regime. Of course. The regime never gives them a never gives them what they want, which is to weaken itself. So they can be like, oh, we were for gay marriage before everybody else was for gay. Oh, and by the way, Trump says that too.

We were for gay marriage before everybody else was for gay marriage. Yeah, how's that working out? Well, it's also, I mean, anybody, you know, again, anybody who had a serious anarchist sensibility or a liberty-oriented sensibility in the classical sense would be demanding, I mean, the IRS needs to go away before anything else happened. because, I mean, that's, that's, that's both just like naked theft of capital. And it's a terror mechanism. You know, I mean, that's, so yeah, I mean, they're not, they're not serious.

But yeah, it's like a bougie thing too. Like, they're, they need the teacher to tell them that they're not being naughty. You know, and again, like I, I'm sure this sounds like some contrarian bullshit or something. but if the regime liked me and if normies liked me, I'd know that I was kind of fucked up. Yeah. That's kind of my metric. You know,

I don't want some Zionists. I don't want some Zionist on Twitter praising me. Yeah. And I don't want the government telling me that like the stuff I'm into is cool. Or, you know, you shouldn't go out of your way to flaunt the law or pick fights with the police. or do foolish, you know, decide, you know, you're going to go out and be some gangster and get Richard, like, trying. But you've got to be careful with being an outlaw.

And in fact, that, I mean, it should be more than carnal with it. It should be kind of like a core aspect of your sensibility, you know, and that's, like I said, I mean, that's, that's why the original punk ethos. I mean, that, that sounds corny to so many people. like invoke that shit in like stupid ways but you know rock and roll is dangerous that's why

the regime is always trying to crush it like I as far as I like Merrill Allen I'm just like kind of into his stuff because I like seeing old guys or still at it who can't or the minority who can pull it off but also he's in

kind of the same sort of stuff I am and when we went to see the murder junkies play last summer down at reggie's on the south side that's kind of what i talked to him about you know like because i bought some of his shirts and stuff and i'm just like yeah man i'm like uh you know i'm like it's it's dope that you know you played here because we wanted to come see you for a minute he's like oh yeah he's like i always play chicago always played detroit you know because we always get a lot of love here and i'm like yeah man and I talked to him for a minute. And, like, I bought, like, three shirts from him,

and then, like, I tipped him, like, $20 just for putting on, like, an awesome show. I mean, you really appreciate that because, I mean, frankly, like, the kinds of guys, about the murder junkies, like, never have any fucking money. I mean, like, let's be honest, you know. But, no, man, and I didn't come out with, like, a heavy political tip, but, you know, I was wearing, like, a Johnny Thunder shirt. So we were talking about, like, Alphabet City and stuff. back in the early 90s because that

periodically the video the last day of his brother's life of GD Allen's life there's this this was 1993 and it was at this shithole venue called the gas station in Alphabet City

and um I mean that's when it was post ofocalyptic I mean you're a New Yorker you know what it was like and some guy or some girl had some old bulky like Sony camcour and was filming everything that was happening and Gigi and his entourage

and all these crazy addicts and punks and skinheads like fighting with the police and stuff and it goes on for like 20 minutes but then uh like it's been on YouTube forever some chopped version of it but uh it appeared out even goes viral because some normie finds it

or one of the 4chan wackos just uh decides he wants to to it to circulate again or something. But, uh, no, I was talking about, um, we were talking about how, how, how put it we charged, uh, the scene was back then. And he's like, oh, yeah, you know, he's like, it's, you know, nothing like today. And he's like, uh, he's like, obviously people are thirsty for something, um, because he's like, we got a cat's house here. You know, and Merle's like,

it's not just us playing, you know, we had three other bands playing before us. We're local guys. And you know, it was mostly youngsters there. You know, I was, I was one of the older guys on deck, man. You know, and that's, that's, that's,

that, that's, that's, that, that's, that, that's, that, that's, that's, that, that's, that's, that's there's always, uh, a resistance element to popular culture. That's why, why, one of the reasons why to bring it back, I realize that none of these supposedly, like, anti-woke guys are on side because they,

they think the stuff that, like, I'm into is fucked up. You know, they want why, they're mad because they want Star Wars to not have gross, like, gay stuff in it, or they think, like, they think they're, like, Green Day is a great band or something. Or they, you know, they're, uh, it's not a,

It's not a conversation that we want to be part of because it's it's a boozy shit, man. Like it's, uh, it'd be like a bunch of provos or a bunch of black shirts like seeking out a bunch of social democrats to like hang out and fucking bullshit with them about like the tax regime or something or, you know, it's like why, why the fuck will we do that? you know, I mean, that's, um, that's why it's a positive thing, man. I mean, it's not positive when dudes actually are on the side or, excuse me, I'm still pretty sick. It's not positive when dudes actually are on side or curating bad blood and stuff. I mean, that's one of the reasons why I'm, I'm going to formally structure my own thing, you know, um, to, like, in part, because I think that's, I think that's just much proper, but, I think it's also going to ease some of that tension. You know, but what is positive is, you know, if the coalition that carried Trump into office in 2016, if that's fracturing, that's not a bad thing, man.

Because what mattered about it was the fact that the silent majority, that was the real point at which where the silent majority robbed the regime of its legitimacy. I mean, that had been developing for a couple of decades. I'd argue since the mid-90s. But that's when it actually happened. Trump, the guy, was never important. This idea of it was so great that we elected Trump, we've got to preserve this coalition all costs. It's like, no, you're not in the game.

You don't get it. because the proverbial you can't undo these sorts of happenings you can't restore legitimacy I mean really the only way the government

could return to the credibility it had under Reagan and the last gas of that was really when when Bush's approval was like skyrocketed sight and seen since the Kennedy era I mean after the Gulf War

okay but there was a whole restructuring in America after 1968 69 70 you know I mean that that's what catapulted Nixon into office

and they realized they had to abide a personage like Reagan otherwise they were all legitimacy would have been forfeit and they couldn't afford to roll a dice on that during peak cold war

because that would have ceded that that would have ceded the planet to the communist, frankly. And that changes everything. But, you know, the there's never going to be a return to the way things were before.

And if there was a more flexible system, if a system was in place, not unlike existing, from about the Grant administration until Wilson's first term, the political culture was a lot more malleable. You know, and I mean, things were totally different then, but despite what people say, what isolationism, America was, America wasn't world power.

I mean, obviously, you know, but... It was so malleable that the Pala Settlement Jews would come in here and basically take it over. well i mean that that that was that was a revolutionary and imperative by the new dealers i mean that yeah and part of that was oh do uh the war between the states having crushed what was the have been the sort of natural immunity to that kind of subversion i mean i agree there's nulte that the true the moment at which uh the uh a political right wing was was was was just eradicated,

was the war between the States. It wasn't 1789. And then, um, what happened in Europe was, uh, the reaction to that.

Because, um, you know, there was an entire nexus of causation that touched and concerned, everything that ensued subsequently. And, uh,

Well, I mean, it's easy to imagine, too. You know, an America lied with the Kaiser Reich. If the War was in the States dragged on and became a quagmire, that was never resolved. I obviously don't like his politics. He's some old-schooled Jew socialists, but the guy Harry Turtle Dub. He's written some stuff that's just silly, like the World War Series with these like Elines assault during World War II. It's fucking stupid. but he he's written some compelling stuff and um one of which was um where uh the war of the states ends in

the stalemate and uh the borderlands like missouri and bleeding kansas there's kind of permanent low key uh low intensity warfare going on um it's that on world war one breaks out the The Confederacy backs the UK in France and the Union becomes solidly allied with the Kaiser Reich. You know, so you've got Union troops fighting on behalf. The Union joins the German offensive in 1918 and then the Confederates are holding a line in France, northeastern France, to try and stop the assault, which would have happened. I mean, the Confederates had a lot better relations with the UK than America did. you know, this idea that the Trent affair,

I don't agree with you get some revisionist. A.G.B. Taylor wasn't really revisionist, but you get some heterodox historians including the Trent affair could have led to a naval shooting war between the Crown and the United States. I don't accept that, but relations were not good.

But be as it may. you know that to the point we were discussing I mean that counterfactual is interesting anyway but the the contrary was very much at a proverbial decision point

from the 1870s until the 19 teens that there could have been a number of different outcomes you know it was not set in stone in any way. But the, uh, I know you're not raw. I mean,

there's a reason that the subversion of, of, of a political culture by a hostile element that insinuates itself as a new elite, uh, that doesn't happen by accident. And it doesn't happen

where there's, um, a robust legitimacy enjoyed by, um, a government serving a basically united body politic but there's complicated factors there and one of the reasons I the

consolidation of the Westphalian state as it reached as true zenith that was the handmaid the Jewish power that's hot at a rents point too you know um outside of a Westphalian system or a state system as we know it

like core Jews they don't have any political power You know, I went talking about the other day. It was why did it joke and people like, Cromwell was a bad man because he didn't like Polarom Jews. It's like, why would he care like what the fucking house of Stuart and the Jews had going on? Like it wasn't, these kings didn't ban the Ashkenazim from their countries

because they, you know, they, they were doing it for Christ and for the, the English race or something. They were doing it because they didn't want to pay their fucking bills. Like, it's why? You know, why would crime will care about that?

You know, it, um, that was, interestingly, I mean, that was, uh,

that, that's only his, the way he did about Islam, his historical tendency. You know, the, I mean, he was a big,

a big crime, traditionally in Dural Islam. But also any, any, any, um, any, any,

any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, was borrowing money from from a Jewish lenders he he would have his head removed from his body

you know the the Jews in old Jerusalem they were literally like locked behind a ghetto wall they weren't doing shit you know they they weren't building a capital base they weren't they were there weren't the court money lenders and and the de facto

sort of shuttle diplomats to you know the the uh to the to the ottomans or the umyads before them or anything like that you know that's what that's what people don't get today the people who are like oh we just need the right we need our people running the government as it is right now it's like no the reason why you why there why jewish power is what it is is because of the system and how the system is designed and how it works it's not

because they can go into any system and take it over and subvert it. No, this system is designed for subversion. And if you're trying to save this system and get your people's in charge of it, no, they're going to be subverted. Well, I also, I don't understand what they think the government's doing for them. I mean, not, I'll even qualify by saying I'm not even suggesting that in some blanket capacity, but it's obvious to anybody who has any ability to perceive these things

or understands the configuration of government this regime is designed to fight the Cold War and preside over a mid-20th century superpower as its resources are consolidated and marshaled

and its capital base is modified and extended to ultimately become a planetary system like that's it you know this isn't the government of George Washington 2.0 or something you know it's not this

perennial thing like I it's an obsolescent it's a bloated obsolescence and one of other things even if it wasn't actively I mean I don't even get extricate it's it's it's colder conf priorities from its structural aspects. But I mean, that's arguable.

But even if those things could be redacted, I, again, and even if it could be rendered neutral somehow, it's just an obsolescence. Like, what do people get out of this? You know? Well, I mean, there, some people are fully convinced that if they can get their people in charge of it, that they can, they can control it

for their people. Well, yeah, I mean, that's not a point. They're idiots, and it's they, but they, I mean, they, they shouldn't even think in those terms, that's just because, like I said, it's a stand in, it's, uh, it's an irsat's, uh, theological concept to them. You know, they don't, they don't have a, they don't have a, they don't have a Roman Catholic church or a, or a, um, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, about the inner witness

that said they have government and apparently like courts are a rabbinic counsel that can speak things into existence and you know miraculous occurrences can be brought to bear

by the stroke of a pen or by some sort of article two order you know but that's again that's why these people aren't done if those people aren't on side. And you can also hear it in their language. They have the language of democracy.

We need to convince like 51% of the people. And if we can convince 51% of the people, then we can have real change. Yeah, I mean, only only a total big head thinks that way. You know, it's, yeah, yeah. I mean, if we, if we got to the point where there were a million people watching this, we wouldn't have to do this anymore.

Well, I mean, if there's a million people watching this, we'd be doing something wrong. It'd mean that, like, basically we were like, that the, that, that, Daisy, we were like, Stephen Colbert or something, but yeah, yeah. Well, I don't know. I, I don't know if the, uh, if the culture changes, you know, if there's a dramatic culture change,

then, um, you know, we might, you might have a million people watching this. Who the hell knows? I mean, no, and don't get me wrong. Like I said the other day, I wasn't just tapping or being silly, you're being delusional. I've talked of burden about this.

Talked a burden about this. Consistently, we'll record something, or Byrne and I'll have a discussion about something, or I'll raise a talking point, and then, like, three days later, like, friar talk will basically be, like, lifting that exact talking point.

You know, and, um, so, yeah, I know guys like him are into And for no other reason that You know, they want to I don't I like Tucker Carlson I like what he does and I'm sure he's a good dude

But you know You see some like East Coast Brahmin He doesn't really associate with people like us How the hell would he know kind of what the conversation is like So I'm sure he consumes their content And for another reason to just kind of get a sense of those things But you know There's a lot of people who

lift my content um we've got a way wider audience than i do you know I mean I've got a very small audience but I do maintain that I have an outsized impact because I mean that's just the way things go you know it's um I'm like the velvet underground of

political commentators or analysts you know like the velvet underground never really pop but like everybody everybody every good pop listen to the Velvet Underground and Johnny Thunderism shoot well there you go you know yeah the romans never

never got their their props but like they inspired like all the british the whole british punk movement that became punk

yeah yeah once all the two like in that my camera the name of it it was one of the it was the one trauma movie

that was uh it was like cinema verita and it was like a serious movie I can't I'm having brain fog I can't remember the title but uh

that um and there's that one part where that dude uh he like hits thunders on stage so thunder's like wax him of his guitar and uh like they asked thunders about it later you started like yeah like the same people like

punched me up on stage and call me a fucking asshole junkie like steal my riffs and shit it's like well it's why it's thunder is my spirit animal it's like yeah they do the same shit to meet man you know um It's, uh, yeah, the other guys in the mystery master.

Yeah, he, you know it's Daryl. Daryl went on a show and, and plagiarized all my talking points. Um, I'm not mad at Daryl, so I don't, please don't go out and say, like, I'm not, I've got a arrow towards them or something. But, like, literally, like, the dude, like, lifted word for word, uh, my talking point sent Churchill. and everybody's like, I ran to the country, did you hear what the Daryl goes about Churchill?

That's like a totally original point that no one never said before. I'm like, yeah, mm-hmm. It's like, yeah, wherever I heard that before. Oh, that's right. I said it. But, you know, again,

it's not, it's not, I don't, you know, fuck about clout and whatever if, if people want to take my talking points and the semi-thumb in a constructive way, I mean, okay, that's fine.

I'm not mad about that. It's just interesting to me. No, Daryl's a good guy. He's always been very respectful of me. So, again, I'm not saying bad things about him, so please don't go off and claim that I am. But we recorded, he and I recorded with a friend of ours yesterday talking about, did an episode on Thomas Cune.

Uh-huh. No, that's good stuff. Yeah, no, Daryl does good content. You know, and like I said, don't have a problem with it. If people disseminate stuff I've said or written in a constructive way, I'm a stigling for always citing

the source of stuff. I'd probably overdo it, but I want to make sure that nobody feels slighted or like I'm a content thief or something. You know, um,

and I don't want to be accused of, uh, you know, not, respecting the entirety of other people's work product. Like I said, I don't, I, um, if Daryl was disrespectful of me, you're like some,

just like an asshole. Yeah, that would bother me, but he's, he's not at all. He's always been very nice to me, man. And so I don't,

I don't, I don't, problem with this. Yeah. And we did that Labor Day theme. We did that Labor Day stream together last year. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. And I, and I, um, burden hosted me and him once. No, he's a good dude, man.

I like him. I was just I mean I'm legit it's just like an interesting phenomenon to me man you know and like I said I um I it surprises me the the places and

it's kind of the reach of some of my stuff penetrates and I'm you know like uh and so I get I get recognized weird places where I wouldn't think that would happen like I could see it if I was wandering

around like Northwest University campus or something or University of Chicago or like if I go to like or like when I went to that National Socialist Black Metal show like when I'm around like beach they're like how much of the dudes you know I was but it's like yeah I mean yeah that it's weird when it happens like on a plane or something or

like when I'm like in the middle of the loop but um you know it's a strange thing man I'm uh I'm gonna I'm gonna interact I'm gonna get out of here. I'd stick around but some of the fellows

are coming to meet me at the landmark and it's, which is great. No problem. And I'm wiped out now. Yeah, I'm still far from me 100%. So it's, I don't need to be there for like an hour,

but I need to decompress a subvening of myself together. I hear you. I think they're going to have bush mills and that'll help. But I want to, I want to, yeah, this sucker,

uh, Daryl PQ, 27 is a real thing. Yeah, it is. Nessa said earlier, a lot of the end of woke guys are just mad. Yeah, I, yeah, and it's personal,

them, like, some, so they met some girl who was a shitty person and did crummy stuff or, you know, embarrassed them somehow, so they built their ideology around that, or they, they didn't get their awards,

they thought they should have, and out of getting a college degree, which is like bullshit these days anyways and yeah you know and um I you know

one of the reasons I fall back on my faith a lot if I were you know a lot of people don't understand um Calvinism I think it's just really severe and shitty but

one of the ways it kind of converges with Chopin however so like Aryan Buddhism you kind of just got what these negative passions burn away. You know,

um, you should, you should never cease being angry about injustice. They're ever kind of empathetic about things that demand vengeance, but, you know, personally hating people is not good. I mean,

I mean, it's not good for you. I'm not even saying, like, in ethical terms, but that's a different question. But, you know, and, uh, building in, building agreements ideology is

really, really destructive and it's not, it's not a, it's not a noble thing to do. You know, and we've got to aspire to be noble. That's another, that's not a reason I, especially as I age, I take, um, or it's younger more more seriously, possible Spangler, or a younger series collab with Pete in the future. Yeah, I mean, I, I, I, I'd cover a lot of this stuff with Pete, man, we did a whole glossy series. You know, I had to have covered Chopin hour in there.

If I didn't, I was written that was in. But, I mean, I, the Spanglarian stuff, I mean, I've done many deep dives into Fernasburg or Yachti on mine phase or in other places. And a predicate to all those conversations is always a discussion of Spanguelan, thought. I mean, yeah, I, on my own

platforms, I try to always keep stuff fresh and it's a combination of what friends of mine and guys who I think have important things to say are up on and the current zeitgeist and war on peace situation and this other stuff I'm consistently sort of fascinated by. But, you know, outside of that I go with what people invite me on to talk about you know

and as um as we continue with these streams um if people have questions topical nature they want me to focus on I mean I'm happy to do that with um yeah I'm uh

let's get out of here yeah yeah I'll uh I'll post this up when I get home tonight It shouldn't be late. But yeah, I got great love for everybody for tipping in and participating. And yeah, thank you, Pete. Thank you, Thomas.

Appreciate it. Yeah, we'll reconvene on Thursday. Again, sorry, I was so old this week. But I'm definitely coming out of it. So, yeah, stay up, everybody. Yep. Later.