The Pete Quiñones Show - **Throwback** The Struggle for Your Soul w/ Corey and Woe From Stone Choir

Episode Date: January 17, 2025

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Doing well, thank you. Doing well. Cool, cool. All right. Who wants to give the whole story about who you guys are and how the podcast started? I'll go ahead. I'm going to take this one. Okay.

I was going to nominate you, but you said it faster. So the story. I think that means I'm in charge. The story of Stone Choir is really fairly straightforward. A number of years ago, not that many years ago, but a number of years ago, Woe and I got connected and started talking and chatting. We talk all the time. And we recognized pretty quickly that this was something that needed to be done.

It was the sort of show that we needed on the right wing, and particularly the Christian right wing, because there were issues that were simply not being addressed. There were problems in the church, problems politically and religiously that no one wanted to touch. No one was willing to touch. And quite frankly, most people weren't suitable to address these issues. We avoided it for a while because we knew that doing this kind of show would attract a certain kind of attention and it has most certainly done that. And also the time demands and things like that. We knew what it would entail.

And we went into it with full knowledge of that, and it's played out as we thought it would. But we realized this was not something that we could avoid because God gives you certain abilities, and it is your moral duty to use those. And so we are using those with Stone Choir. We're addressing those issues that even if they've been addressed in the history of the church, and most of them have, these are not really novel issues by and large. They're just things that Christians in the modern era have, forgotten because they've bought into modern propaganda, whether it's the post-war consensus,

or whatever it happens to be. They've bought into these modern beliefs that if they aren't at least alien to the historical church, they are anathema in many cases. These are things that the church has historically condemned as Antichrist as anti-Christian. And so the goal of Stone Choir is to address these things that are not being addressed in the church to give a Christian response, partly because the right wing has to choose between there's the anti-Christian contingent on the right who look at the current state of the churches, and they want to tear it all down. Because they look at the church and go, it's been subverted, it didn't defend us, it's importing illegal aliens, it's causing all these problems.

It's not a fair characterization because the church was one of the last institutions to fall. The church held out for decades when most of the rest of the culture had already decayed. And so blaming the church isn't fair, but that's the one side. And then the other side would be Christians. And that is the traditional conservative right wing in the West is Christian. That's part of what it means to be traditionalist, to be conservative in the West is to be a Christian. And we want to arm those men with the actual arguments and the information they need to address the problems we find in society today,

to address the problems that, quite frankly, the leadership of the church is not addressing, and if they are addressing it, they're doing it wrong in most cases, because many of them have been subverted. And that's the case whether it's... Ready for huge savings? Well, mark your calendars from November 28th to 30th,

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because they were subverted long ago. But even Presbyterians, we see most of the mainline bodies have been subverted in some way. And so the question is, what do Christian men do in a scenario where the church bodies have been subverted and they are teaching false doctrine, false theology? They are teaching things that are antithetical to the history of the church. Because that's the situation which we find ourselves today. And so that's the purpose of Stone Choir is to address these matters in a history. Christian way and to address the things, the third rail, the things other people don't want to

touch or even get near, because those are the matters that truly matter today. Let me ask, whoa, why don't you, well, why don't you talk a little bit about the fact that you're both L CMS, I assume? Correct. Right. Okay. So talk a little bit about the L CMS church, give it a little history description so people know where we're at, where you're coming from. Sure. The L CMS was, this is really a more of a Corey question. He's more of the historian. But the LCMS emerged in about 1847 with a group of German immigrants. They weren't the first Lutherans in the United States, but they were, they were basically fleeing the unionist church that was emerging in Germany as they were finding their their consciences were being violated by what the state churches were forcing them to do by basically

merging the Lutherans and the reformed. They could not bear that anymore. And so they basically came here for religious freedom, you know, a couple centuries after most of my ancestors showed up, but pursuing the same thing. So they ended up in the Midwest, and for the most part, the roots of the Missouri Synod are pretty well have remained Midwestern. It's called Missouri Synod, but it's a national denomination. They're churches in almost every state, but they're concentrated in the Midwest. It is one of the, there are three church bodies today in the, in North America. There's the LCMS Wells, which is the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Church and the Evangelical Lutheran Church, ELS. Those two are in fellowship with each other. Ells is, I believe,

Norwegian in history, and Wells is different ethnicity. They're all basically ethnic churches that existed among themselves and have common ground in terms of theology. So for a long time, we were in fellowship with them as well, and then they broke fellowship with us, and I think in the 60s or 50s maybe, because the LCMS was starting to go live in ways that Wells was found intolerable. And what happened in the 60s and early 70s is that the LCMS was on kind of the cutting edge of some of the apostasy that a lot of churches have since gone through. And it was basically the only Protestant denomination that actually fought it off for a while. So there was an event called Semenex. It was a seminary in exile where basically the

entire St. Louis Seminary of the LCMS was lived to the point that there were a lot of professors who, you know, denied the, denied scripture. You know, they were, they were basically kind of Bonhoff or Christians at that point, so called it, you know, denied the resurrection, that sort of stuff in the 70s, in what was a very conservative denomination in the pews. And so thankfully, those, those demons were driven out. But what happened was the student body split and almost all the professors left. And that was good because they actually, they went on to be the governing force behind Alka today, the ELCA, which is the Lutherans that most people think of. When you think Lutheran in North America, you think rainbow flags and the Tranny DP, and like it's, you think

some of the worst of Protestantism. That's Alka, which was a merger of a number of other denominations in North America that was headed up by one of the small ones, but it was the Seminex guys who had left LCMS. So part of the reason that ALCA is so terrible now is the people that the LCMS drove out. And so it sort of went back in a more conservative direction publicly, but the problem was that we didn't drive out all the men who had been graduated by those same professors. So for 20-odd years, they'd been spreading this stuff in the seminary, quietly, you know, surreptitiously, very deliberately, knowing just as MLK knew, you know, he denied the virgin birth and, you know, the resurrection of the body, but he wouldn't say it in a pulpit with a bunch of black Baptist ladies because he'd start a riot.

So he knew it and he believed it and he just talked about other things. They did the same stuff. So they became ascendant over the next 20 years. And in the 90s, the LCMS was in kind of rough shape again. And it's just, as Corey was saying, you know, every Protestant denomination, every denomination is going through the same pattern of subversion. And what we all see collectively is that not only do. do the waves continue to come, but we must continue to fight them over and over again generationally because any inch that you give, you're never going to get back. And it's part of the reason we started

Stone Quire. You know, Corey and I certainly listened to, I used to listen to a ton of podcasts, and I eventually realized, you know, most of them became mostly religious in Lutheran and nature. I was waiting for some of the pastors whom I respect to speak out about some of the current issues and just realizing that they weren't going to do it. And so Corey and I decided, well, we can and clearly we must. And, you know, I started speaking about Lutheranism online probably five or six years ago as I became more involved, just sort of viewing the dissonant right on the Internet,

you know, seeing the talking points from poll and, you know, all the various things that used to be extremely fringe than no one would ever talk about in polite society. like in 2023 on Elon's Twitter, that's almost more of the discourse. And as I was looking at that, I was seeing as Corey was saying, a lot of guys in the dissident right, a lot of guys who are outcasts for political views, look at most of Christianity in North America and just find it utterly contemptible, and they're not wrong. But these are guys who have no Christian background, no church background.

When they look at what Christianity claims to be, they're rightly revolted. And so I started talking more about my faith. about Lutheranism and saying, like, there's actually something that you can do in a church that doesn't turn your stomach. It's manly. It's godly at the same time. And those two things can be compatible. But there are precious few voices in any denomination that can actually tread that line. And so that's why we started. It's interesting because I really had never met anyone who was L-CMS until about six or seven years ago at the Mises Institute. You guys probably know Larry Bean, Larry and Grace. And I was like, wow, this guy is just based. I mean, he's

hardcore. I mean, there's nothing liberal about him. And then through conversations I had, it was like, everybody was like, yeah, the L CMS is absolutely, you know, hardcore. And then, you know, I'm also friends with Ryan Turnip See. And all that started, you know, coming out in the, I guess when a new version of the larger catechism was put out, and there was a commentary along with it, and it seems like that commentary went basically right along, is going right along with what we see in the world. So was that really when you guys started to ramp it up when the catechism came out and all that stuff, or were you going hard at it before this?

we actually started Stone Choir just one year ago, began in mid-October of last year. Specifically, one of the episodes of Stone Choir that we did probably about three months ago now was called the timeline of recriminations, where we describe all the events that subsequently happened to Corey and to Ryan and to another man as we were speaking out against the large catechism update. for our purposes, a lot of that really began a few years ago. The first seminal moment for me was when George Floyd ODED because the Missouri Synod put out a press release condemning those policemen for murder. After the video had come out showing clearly that the guy was suffocating in the backseat of the car,

they accused them a murder before the trial had even begun. and Cori and I were both in sense of this. It's just, it violates the Eighth Commandment to accuse someone falsely of something that they had been convicted of. And so we, it was clear that the LCMS and the President Harrison were doing it strictly for racial purposes. It was racial agitation up and down. So we each independently wrote letters to him privately and rebuked him for it. And that was when we realized that they were going to go hard left publicly. And I think a lot of us and a lot of different contexts have really had the sense that the universe almost fractured when Floyd died. There's kind of a before and after.

Like, COVID was happening at the same time, but the spiritual change when Floyd died affected everything. And suddenly people who were saying good things, you know, before May of 2020, after that, they just veered hard. And it was all along racial lines. And as the churches were doing, man, like, well, okay, I guess this is going to be go time for us. So the summer prior to the large catechism last year, the Missouri Synod put on a big, very expensive youth event that was run by Lubs.

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because, you know, Paul argues it was Eve who was deceived. That doesn't have anything to do with the pastoral office. That has to do with spiritual competency. And so all church history goes along with that. So the very first argument we did, the very first episode in last October, was making that argument. And basically, the Missouri Senate has just kind of been in free fall as we've been just watching these events have happened one after another.

And so the show is not about, you know, inside baseball, you know, church drama for some tiny Midwestern church nomination, because these are problems that the whole church faces, you know, Roman Catholics are facing the statement that came out last week that was ambiguous at best related to transsexual baptisms. That sort of thing is it's happening everywhere, where you either have something that's actually a truly false confession or one that's so weak that leaves people in utter confusion. And God is not a God of confusion. and the men who are speaking in God's stead today in the world can't cause confusion either.

And so we will speak, you know, we call the Stone Choir because we don't have a vocation to do this where basically the stones are crying out because the men who should be doing this correctly or not. I guess in my case, I mean, I'm a cradle Catholic. And in the 90s, I started going to a Baptist church and I ended up Southern Baptist and I ended up actually working from them for a little while. And this was when they were still, it was still pretty hardcore, still conservative, still addressing things in the culture that needed to be addressed. I could only, I wanted to go to seminary and the only seminary that was around there that I would even give a consideration to was a PCA seminary because I went to a 1689 Baptist church.

and, you know, outside of pedobaptism and a couple other things, there was really not a lot of difference. And even that seminary, that seminary had a cultural center that would blast right way, you know, would attack Bill Clinton would attack even when George W. Bush came in and you started of seeing liberal things come out of his mouth, they would attack it. And then I dropped out. I had just a terrible falling out in my church. And I was, I just left for a while. And then when I went back and I looked back and I'm like, not only is the Southern Baptist Convention completely, I mean, cucked, basically, but then I look at the PCA, which I thought would never. You know, I'm like, there's no way. I mean, I took classes with R.C. Sprole.

It's like, how did, how did this happen? You know, and, you know, and, you know, I understood from a, from a young age that there was a lot of things happened in Vatican, too, that were, you know, Nostratate was just, I mean, awful. I just want to just, you know, basically invoking anti-Semitism and saying that anti-Semitism without even defining it. So you look around and I guess anyone who's in church right now, anyone who is a defender who looks at God's kingdom and says, God has a kingdom on earth, it needs defending, it needs building, is there is no real home for them. You can't look at a denomination and go, I mean,

they're Orthodox right now, Eastern Orthodox who are screaming at me. that's fine. But there's no denomination that you can look at. You can go there looking for, looking to defend God's kingdom on earth as a whole. Am I wrong, Corey? You have those who are attempting to defend God's kingdom as a whole, but you also have, really it's a generational divide. And the big reason for that is that the baby boomers and I always give this caveat when I say this, Gen X doesn't exist. You have older Gen X, basically they're baby boomers. And you have younger Gen X, they're millennials. You can choose. That's the great thing about being Gen X.

You get to choose which one you want to be if you're in the middle. So, and granted, I mean, obviously within generations, there are also divisions. They're good and bad millennials. I'm not going to say my generation is without problems, certainly. And then zoomers are their own thing. But for the baby boomers, they can. they grew up with all of this, quite frankly, Marxist propaganda, and they bought into a lot of it because Satan was building up his case. He knew exactly what he was doing. He didn't attack the foundations of the doctrines of the church anymore because he tried that before.

He did that with higher criticism. He did that with the radicals of the 60s. He made some headway on that. But he'd already taken the mainline churches with that form of attack. he'd taken all the people that he could with those sorts of attacks on the church, the attacks on doctrine, the ancient heresies revived again, Aryanism and all these things. And so he took a different tactic.

He used the Marxist subversion of the reality of the nations in order to build up this false post-war consensus and then propagandize that in the West, because this was also a thing in the USSR, it was openly part of state policy to subvert the reality of race and nation identical terms. That was part of their goal because you can't create this internationalist government if you have these racial distinctives because you're going to naturally have divisions if you recognize the boundaries God has set,

both geographical and in terms of DNA. Obviously, there's biology involved here as well. But in order to subvert the West, he changed that propaganda into what we see in the civil rights movement. And so that became part of the mythos for the baby boomer generation, that they'd overcome this prejudice and ignorance of the past and they were creating a better world. And that seeped into the church, because obviously baby boomers are the ones in positions of authority in the church. That's how it naturally works. One generation hands off authority to the next. if you fail to train that next generation in the truth,

you're going to have a disaster on your hands when they take the reins of power. And so that's what we have seen in all of the major denominations. You have these baby boomers who have all of these ideas they acquired in the 60s during the civil rights era and they're attempting to shoehorn them into Christianity and say, well, when Christ says justice, what he really means is social justice.

And they may not use that. term because they've been trained by whatever news station they watch to think that social justice is bad, but racial justice is good. It's the same thing. These are Marxist terms. There's no daylight between them. And so they're bringing this into the church, and that's why you'll see things like the SBC putting out their document condemning the alt-right and condemning anti-Semitism and condemning racism, literally using Marxist language that anyone who has studied the Marxist theorist, the Marxist, the Marxist ideology will recognize immediately. You see it for what it is. But these men, because they took it over the course of decades from basically every source available to them, it was in the

news media, whether it was print or radio or television. They're using Marxist terms that they don't recognize as Marxist because they aren't familiar with the actual source material. Satan has done a very good job subverting all of the institutions of society and now find Finally, he's coming for the church because there are more souls that he can take in the church if he can continue this sort of subversion. And so you have these men who believe that they, in many cases, many of these baby boomers think that they're actually fighting for the church, that they're fighting for the faith. But they're not.

They're actually fighting for the other side because they are using all the arguments of Satan to subvert God's ordering of creation. and they think that because they won these battles in the past, and this is particularly a problem in the LCMS, they think because they won at Seminix, kind of, that what they're doing is right, what they're doing is good. Well, we beat the liberals once. We can beat them again. But they're fighting the wrong battle. They don't have the tools, and they don't know what they're doing. So they're fighting for the other side because they think that, well, they're not saying the doctrine is wrong.

but if you define your terms in a way that is contrary to Christianity, it doesn't matter if you're saying all the right words. You'll see that in many of the false theologians. They'll say they believe in the resurrection, but then if you actually look into what they say, they deny every last tenet of what Christianity teaches about the resurrection. So you have to look at what these men actually believe what they're actually teaching. And we just don't have competent leadership in most of the church bodies. today. And this is the case, whether it's Roman Catholic or Presbyterian or Lutheran, we have all of these men who are ill-equipped for the battle at hand. They may be equipped for past

battles. They can point out Aryanism. They can say, that's false, that's an ancient heresy, I know how to refute that. But they don't know how to deal with the problems we face today. And it's the same sort of thing that we see in society at large. Airgrid, operator of Ireland's electricity grid is powering up the Northwest. We're planning to upgrade the electricity grid in your area and your input and local knowledge are vital in shaping these plans. Our consultation closes on the 25th of November. Have your say, online or in person. So together we can create a more reliable, sustainable electricity supply for your community. Find out more at airgrid.i.4 slash Northwest. Employers, did you know, you can now reward you?

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It's simple to buy, easy to manage, and best of all, there are no extra fees or hidden catches. Visit OptionsCard.i.e. today. Because many of these problems, if you, I'll go back to the example of Aryanism again. If you deal with Aryanism, we have all the writings of many church fathers dealing explicitly with that issue. And we have the creeds. We can just point to these things that we have and say, this was refuted, here's why it's wrong, this is spelled out in the history of the church. We know exactly what this is and why we are not that.

But many of the things that are being attacked today, we have no writings from the church fathers on them. We have some things that touch on them tangentially, but we don't have a church father who directly addresses transgenderism. You don't have church fathers who write extensively on the reality of biological sex, because it wasn't really a thing for them back then. Their knowledge of biology was remedial, for instance. But you have these problems that are present in society today for which we don't have ready answers, in part because it was totally unthinkable. at no other point in history, would anyone have ever stood up and said, I was born a man, but now I'm a woman, except in, you know, a handful of societies around the world, which had the idea of a third gender. You had that in India and some of the Amerindian cultures. But in European culture, those utterly unthinkable, no one would ever, they would say you're insane and lock you up. But today, because so much of the foundations of Western civilization have already been eroded, have already been subverted, someone can stand up. say that. And most Christians are caught flat-footed, particularly pastors. They don't know how to actually respond to these things. Part of it is because they're ill-versed in the scriptures, and part of it

is because they're cowards, quite frankly. Because if you look at scripture, it's very clear. Man and woman, he created them. That's the end of it. Scripture is clear, God has spoken on the issue, but these pastors don't want to speak to it for many reasons. Partly they don't want the negative attention from society, and partly they don't want to endanger their IRS classification. But you have men who are just not suited to the task they have taken up. And quite frankly, they should be terrified because Scripture is very clear that teachers, those in positions authority in the church, are going to receive the stricter judgment. And these men are teachers in the church. They are going to receive that judgment,

and they aren't willing to actually speak God's word because they're terrified of men. And scripture is very clear about you should be terrified of God who can cast body and soul into hell, not men who can only destroy the body. We have so many false and cowardly teachers in the church, and it makes the church look terrible, and it exacerbates the problem, because having those men in positions of authority drives out the young men we need in the church, and in this case I'm speaking relatively men, you know, 45 and younger or so, 50 and younger, whatever it happens to be, we need those.

those men in the church because those men are the next generation of leadership. Those men are the ones who can turn around the problems in the church. If you walk into a church and it is just women, that church is already dead. It's not dying. It's dead. If you don't have men in your church, you don't have a church because God is very clear. Men are the leaders. Men are the head. You cannot have a headless body that is alive.

And so if you have no men in your church, it is a headless church and it is not alive. and that is what we see today. You have these feminized pastors and other teachers who do not speak the word of God truthfully, do not speak the word of God forcefully, and basically just bend over backwards for whatever the women in their congregation want them to do. Because they're not serving as actual heads.

They're not serving as shepherds of their flock because they aren't willing to do it because they're weak and cowardly men, partly because they were ill-trained at their seminaries, because the seminaries are full of the radicals, from the 60s who weren't all cast out. Or in the case of the LCMS, we cast out the radicals, but we didn't get rid of their students. When you don't get rid of the students, or at least vet the students to make sure they weren't corrupted, all you're doing is delaying the problem by

one generation. And so all of these false ideas seep into society, and from society, they wind up seeping into the church, and it becomes a vicious cycle. And now you have men in leadership in the church who are attempting to justify the evils of society because they don't know how to refute them. I guess this can be either one of you can take this. Talk about how you're here saying that they've adopted the ways of the world, almost the ways of the woke. I know woe has been doxxed, and I'm sure people who've been speaking out of the answer. they've tried to get them fired. I've said this about,

but one of the reasons I stopped being a libertarian is because I saw that libertarianism was infiltrated by not only the woke, but right from the start by a really liberal kind of mindset, a very liberal kind of ideas. And I'm not even saying classical liberal. I'm saying liberal kind of ideas. Then you saw like the libertarian, party turned into this party that was, you know, just we need trans rights kind of thing.

All of a sudden, these non-collectivists all turn into collectivists. So talk about the, you know, the kind of attacks and the personal kind of attacks that you've both had to suffer. And you both can take turns on this one. You know, the problem with focusing everything on liberty and freedom as the highest good is that that is functionally just licensed. and as long as someone is unencumbered, that becomes the highest moral good. And if one acknowledges the Christian understanding of original sin and of our fallen, sinful

nature, that can only ever possibly lead to the worst outcomes. And so one of the things that we talk about all the time on Stone Quire is a genealogy of ideas, particularly these ideas, you know, the things are called woke and whatever else. these things that have radical roots that are antithetical to Christianity. Today we find them in the hearts and minds and mouths of people who on Sunday morning are Christians. You know, they go to church on Sunday. But the problem is that they're catechized the other 167 hours of the week by the world. And so whatever they're learning in church, whatever they learned in the past in church,

in those few hours are no match for all the TV and all the conversations with friends and all the movies and all the radio and all the work, you know, training and just the general culture that we're all seeped in. And so I think the reason that the generations have decayed and now we're getting to sort of a revolutionary spirit among some of the youngest, just, you know, knee-jerk rebelling against the old people because everything is so bad. is because, you know, the boomers were the first to be propagandized so heavily, and they had no immunity whatsoever. They just absorbed it. It was kind of a lightweight version of the propaganda, and because they went along with it, it got harder, the propaganda went harder and harder,

and now it's so blatant that it's a, it's like a cleaver being taken to a diamond. You know, it's getting hit, and it's going to shatter, and you're going to go in one direction or the other. And I think that's, we see the zoomers are all radicals. They're either radically left or radically right. There are really no milk toast zoomers, at least the ones who paid any attention at all. When we talk on Stonequire about the genealogy of these ideas that are causing these problems, it's to say, in our case specifically to say to Christians, you know, if you believe that you're a Christian and you believe that racism is a sin, where did that sin come from?

You know, one of the episodes we did in our race series was entirely on the history of racism. The fact, it was invented, you know, 150 years ago. You know, the book was written by a Jew at the beginning of the 20th century, specifically, as Corey was describing it, what the Soviet Union's plans were for global communism. What that Jew wrote in the book on racism was a part of that. It was a dissolution of all the nations in order to make the next steps possible. And so the genealogy of the idea that a Christian will hold up is the highest moral good. The reason that Corey had the hip piece in Rolling Stone, and I got docks to Antifa, and I had a hit piece of my local paper, wasn't because I was talking about Christianity,

although that was the underlying reason. It's because they called it a neo-Nazi podcast, which is to say racist. And racist is the most evil thing anyone could possibly be, whether you're secular or you're Christian. That is, you know, that's why literally Hitler is the new Satan. There's nothing worse than that. And so when that becomes your North Star for morality, everyone gets reoriented. The whole church gets reoriented along this new axis.

And one of the things we talk about all the time is where did these ideas come from? Because they're new ideas. They're not ancient. These are not ideas that our forefathers would recognize in any prior millennium. And in, you know, in most cases, virtually none of this would be recognizable prior to the Enlightenment. And so the frog is getting boiled. And today, you know, as Corey said at the beginning, the last bastion of what should be the West, you know, a faithful West, should be the church. It should be the most conservative body because if God doesn't change, then the church doctrine shouldn't be changing either.

And yet what we find is that they're going along with everything else. else. You know, the reason that the Missouri Senate doxed me to Antifa, they, they headquarters in St. Louis transmitted by personal information to an Antifa cutout for publishing, specifically because of the episodes that we did on Stone Quire, calling them to account for their radical shift left. And what is the go-to that everyone has today? If you can personally destroy a man's reputation, you can make them unemployable, untouchable, unlovable, no one will talk to someone who's been labeled that way. Well, one, it's an example for anybody else. You want to get up to it? You want to run your mouth? Look what's going to happen to you. And two, it just separates that sort of person from the herd

so that you're not permitted to have friends. And that's been the next stage of what's being done to Corey and me. It's been happening all along. You know, Ryan Turnip Seed, he wasn't called to account for anything that he had said. He was called to account for things that Corey had said. He was called to repent for not publicly condemning Corey is if that's a sin. Whether or not Corey's right or wrong about anything for another man to be held to account, simply because he talked to him online, is deranged.

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Find out more at airgrid.i.4.4. Northwest. That's completely deranged. It's beyond any normal human behavior. And yet today it's just, it's the playbook. Corey? What we really see happening is simply the Marxist playbook, followed practically point by point. This is Alinsky, is what we see happening. All of our enemies and adversaries, whether they are hard left,

Antifa or supposedly Christians, even supposed Christian leaders, they're following Alinsky. If you read what he wrote, and Alinsky is obviously just parroting his father below, but if you read what he wrote, these men are following point by point what he says. This is the politics of personal destruction. The goal is never to have an actual discussion, to have a debate on these ideas, which sometimes that is appropriate. Some things are so evil that you don't really need a debate. But sometimes you need to discuss the issues.

That's never the goal for the adversaries, for the enemies. The goal is to destroy anyone who stands up and happens to challenge whatever the prevailing ideology is of the day. whatever the idol they're currently propping up, whatever golden calf they're currently worshiping. And so if you say, where is racism in scripture as a sin? They can't stand that because that is one of the core tenets of their new religion that you have to be not just not racist but actively anti-racist. And they'll go farther than that. And they have already, but they'll keep going.

They'll keep pushing until they're actually opposed and destroyed, quite frankly, because they don't stop. Satan never stops. But if you attack their idols, they're going to respond violently, and that's what they have been doing. And that's always been the case. When you attack a man's idols, that's how you know it's an idol. The way he responds tells you it is an idol. And that is what we see from these enemies.

So in my case, they basically said they excommunicated me, but they didn't follow any of the required procedures. and so they both violated scripture and the civil law in what they did. It's an ongoing issue. It's not yet put to rest. I'll have more to say about that, hopefully, in the not too distant future, although bureaucracies tend to grind slowly. But they basically barred me from the property by calling in the police,

which is utterly unheard of, completely ridiculous for Christians to do that, unless there's an actual legitimate threat, which obviously, in my case, there's not. And I can say confidently that I know there's no threat that they perceive because, for instance, I don't live that far away from my former pastor. I helped him move into his current house. If he thought I were a threat, he would have taken out a restraining order. He hasn't done that. The same is true for a number of the elders.

I didn't help them move into their houses, but I know where they live. I've been to their houses. They didn't take out restraining orders. So any supposed argument that there was a threat, which is what has been spread by certain pastors online, clearly in high-handed violation of the Eighth Commandment, it's obviously all false, provably so. But they barred me from the property, despite the fact that the Constitution and bylaws of First Lutheran, the church I was attending, say that even in the case of those who are excommunicated,

and this is in all caps in the original document, which, written by German Lutherans, it tells you something if Germans are willing to use all caps. even if you're excommunicated, you are cordially invited to attend all divine services. And yet they called the police on me. So you can see the animating spirit of these men. It is not the spirit. They have a different spirit indeed. And it 100% came down from on high.

It came down from Synod because Synod responded to our critique of the large catechism with annotations in contemporary applications. I want to be clear, that's not the large catechism. Luther's large catechism is a static document. It was created by Luther. It's part of the confessions. It's unchanging. What they did was they added a bunch of essays and annotations in order to completely subvert it. Basically, they created like a proto version of the Talmud for the LCMS. Because what the Talmud does is completely subverts the Torah. As we have said previously in episodes of Stone inquire, one of the sayings amongst those who study the Talmud is that what Torah forbids, Talmud permits. And that is simply what the purpose of the Talmud is. It's to subvert all

of God's rules by pill-pull to get around them, and in most cases just outright lying. The same thing is true of many, if not most, of the essays in that supposed new version of the large catechism. The goal of that document, and this document is really the crux of why they decided to go after us because we threw a wrench into their plans. We brought it to the attention of more people what they were attempting to do. Because we saw clearly what they were doing. It's the same playbook you see everywhere. They bring in this document and say, this isn't doctrine, this is just a discussion, this is an application. These are for studying these issues. Well, it's not because it's already on the syllabus at the seminary as a required

document for future pastors. They are currently training men with this document. They have basically made it into the doctrine of the LCMS, and they will just push it through, and the next version will be even worse. And so that's why they hate us and hate what we have done, because we're opposing their evil. What they're doing is openly and high-handedly evil, and they are going to go after an attempt to destroy personally any man who stands up against them. And that's why many are not willing to do it because there's a very real cost. There's going to be a cost personally. There's going to be a cost financially in terms of your finances, your social relationships. There's going to be a cost if you stand up and speak the truth. And that's always been the case in human history.

Sometimes it's more costly than others. Certainly today it has a higher cost. And there's also obviously safety concerns. Either the sort of people who try to swat you. And they've hinted at that online that their goals are to do that to woe and me. And so there's going to be a very real cost, but at the same time, Christians are not permitted to avoid speaking the truth just because there's a cost associated with it. This is one of those cases where you are required to speak the truth about God and His word, regardless of cost, because this is a matter of the faith. If it's a matter of something that is tangential or not related to the faith, maybe parallel to the faith, it's left to wisdom. There's some matter of wisdom here, which is how you say the truth.

But whether or not you speak the truth is not left to the discretion of the individual Christian. When you are called on to confess the truth of God, the truth of Christ, you have to speak that truth. The consequences are in God's hands. He will permit or not permit as he sees fit. And so that's why we are willing to speak these issues, why we are willing to address these things in the episodes of Stone Choir and elsewhere, even if there is a cost to it, because we feel like we don't have a choice, because we know we don't have a choice. Well, we do have a choice because there's always that choice, heaven or hell, you can choose to be an apostate. We're not going to choose that. We're going to speak the truth regardless of the personal cost.

and so we are going to be attacked by those who are attempting to subvert the church. Yeah, it appears what they're doing by inserting notes and commentary with that catechism is that they are doing exactly what happened to the evangelicals in the early 1900s by inserting the Schofield Bible into Moody Bible College and places like that, where they basically Judaized Christianity, evangelicalism. And it seems like they're doing the same thing there, considering, you know, I think we, I think you guys have gone over where a lot of this transgenderism and all these things that they're talking about actually come from and derive from and where the activism for that

comes from. And we've seen the same sort of thing that has happened in decades past in the case of the Roman Church. You mentioned Nostra Itate. Notably, on the very same day that that was issued. That is when they issued the document that suppressed the Trent, the cult of Simon of Trent, when they basically said that he is no longer a saint. That happened the exact same day as Nostra Itate. And for those who aren't familiar, that was the case of a Christian boy who was ritually murdered by the Jews. And this was recognized for centuries by the church as a case of Jewish ritual murder. And because they wanted to suppress,

supposed anti-Semitism in the church, because they wanted to bring in philosemitism, they had to get rid of Simon of Trent because it's very hard to buddy up to Judaism when one of your saints is a child who was murdered for his blood by the Jews. And, well, I guess this leads me

into this. You have people out there, and I'm not even saying I hate the guy. I mean, I don't know. I've never talked to him, but Adam Green, who basically openly says that, no, Christianity hasn't been subverted by Judaism, by the Jews. No, it's been a Jewish plot from the start. So the only way that you can defeat it is Christianity has to go away, which to me sounds like the libertarians and the ANCAPs who say, well, the only way to solve this is we got to make the government go away. Okay, well, good luck, pal, all right? But

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comment on that. Those arguments are just... I would fully agree. Those arguments are just read it to your atheism. I mean, that any completely neutral look at history demonstrates how utterly false that is. You know, the disputation of Paris under King Louis 9th,

really for the first time in the West laid bare just precisely how evil the Talmud is and therefore how evil those who practice what it teaches are, which was the bulk of the Jewish community in those places nearly a thousand years ago. You know, to say that Christianity has been a Jewish ploss to topple the West pretends that what the West had, what Europe was before Christianity was better than what it is now. And the same people will say that sort of thing, want to point to, you know, the cathedrals and the art and all the things that are the

highest achievements of Europeans in history. It's basically, all at the very peak of Christianity in the West. There was a period of time of accumulation of talent and wealth and things that made it possible do you have great works of art, but the talent and the beauty was not only created in those places by Christians, but it was done for the glory of God first and foremost. You know, same is true of the exploration of the world. You know, regardless of the politics of the man who landed on foreign soil,

he always brought the cross with him. The conquest of the Americas and of Africa was done in the name of Christ. And that's one of the things that makes the world makes Satan seeth so much today, is that the loss of the so-called global South, these populations who for literally thousands of years, communed with demons, uninterrupted. And so when European Christians showed up, they found horrors that were indescribable.

You know, they would just vomit on contact to many of the things that they saw, and they described it when they sent descriptions home of the godless depravity of those people. Europe was never that bad, but that was only because we were Christianized. We would have been on that path. and when you look at modern history, just in the last century or two, these subversions, including things like the Schofield Bible, that's financed by Jews. It's always the case that you will find a connection to the very people that guys like this green character are saying, oh, well, they wanted to make Christianity better to destroy white people. No, Christianity is the reason that white people have something to be proud of. I mean, there's Greece and there's Rome, and there's pride in that

sort of accomplishment. But those pagan places, when you look at their practices, they had exposure of infants to kill them, which is exactly what we saw this week in the UK, murdering an infant who was sick, who maybe could have survived with modern treatment. It was denied her. She was left out to die, just as Europeans did 2,000 years ago. It was Christianity that brought an end to those sorts of practices. So while Greece and Rome had art, they had culture, they also had rampant sodomy. They had, you know, the killing of the infirm of the aged. All these things that Christianity is like, no, there's actually an inherent human value in every person, regardless of age or station in life. Even if someone's a slave, you still can't mistreat them. You know,

Christianity didn't bring an end to slavery. It brought an end to the mistreatment of slavery, at least when Christianity is observed. And yeah, it's just these arguments are, are they're worse than specious because they're just, they fly in the face of anything that you can look up on Wikipedia. I think people like that should just be bullied and mocked. There's no point to even arguing. But come on. Jesus was a Jew. It comes out of Judaism. I mean, that's literally that that's the argument. I mean, once you start going, like, I'll start mentioning church history and they'll just default to this. I mean, this isn't even midwit tier. This is like, you know, 85 IQT. but it came out of Judaism.

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Because as you use the word determines what concept you are referring to with the word, the referent depends upon the person using the term. And so, for instance, historically, when we use the word Jew to translate what is in the Greek Judean in Scripture, that was fine because everyone knew what it meant. It didn't mean these weird people wearing special hats wandering around and charging interest. It didn't mean them. It meant the historical people who lived in that region from whom Christ descended, because, yes, he's the lion of the tribe of Judah.

He was not a Jew. because when you use the term Jew in the modern context, what you mean is it inherent to or someone who is culturally steeped in Judaism. And Judaism is a modern heresy. It is a modern false religion because it is based on the Talmud, which was only completed in the 500s. It's significantly younger than Christianity. And it is, again, a false religion that is contrary to that is hostile to Christianity.

It has been from the beginning. And so these men are ignorant on so many levels. They don't know the history. They don't know the meaning of the terms because they aren't arguing in good faith. These men are arguing in bad faith because they want to tear down Christianity because for whatever reason they hate Christianity. In some cases, it's just because they're idiots. But in other cases, there's malice. Who else hates Christianity?

It's really just pagans. Well, and the supposed neo-pagans. And Jews. And Jews, exactly. And it's funny. they make common cause. If they want to make stupid arguments, I'll make stupid arguments too. Okay? It's not even a stupid argument, though, because look at the history. Who is the first major supporter of the Jews against Christians specifically? Julie and the apostate, the Roman

emperor who wanted to take the Roman Empire back to paganism. Pagans and Jews have been cooperating across the centuries. Pagans and Christians, or Jews and Christians have not been cooperating most certainly. Look at the homilies of St. John Chrysostom. Look at any Pope before the last, you know, one or two or three, these are men who by any modern standard would have been called absolutely vile anti-Semites and ostracized from society. And these are considered the great saints of the church. By the entire church, this isn't even limited to one particular tradition or denomination. Everyone agrees that John Chrysostom is a saint. Everyone agrees that Gregory the Great is a saint. These are men who are recognized by the historical

Church as men who were giants of the faith, who taught the faith truthfully, who are saints who are now in paradise, and they wrote things against the Jews that, quite frankly, make anything said by Adolf Hitler looked like a playground spat. And somehow we're supposed to believe that Christians and Jews are friends that we happen to get along. Do they not recognize that the Jews pray curses upon us every single day, many times a day, if they're traditional Jews, at least three times a day. And somehow we're supposed to think that, oh, we're perfectly good friends with them. We're not. And quite frankly, Christians also pray curses against the Jews, because when we say, thy kingdom come, thy will be done, that is indeed polemical against the enemies of Christ,

which certainly includes the Jews who hate Christ more than anything else. He is the only thing they hate more than whites. I think one of the crucial things that we try to emphasize on Stone Choir, we're talking about that particular timeline of history is that Adam was not a Jew. You know, six thousand years ago, Adam was a man. There's no such notion. And Adam was a Christian because the proto-evangelium was given to him in Genesis 315, promising the Messiah. And throughout the course of history, God progressively revealed more of the, of the prophecies of the Messiah. So Noah walked with God by faith.

There was no Abraham yet. There was no Isaac or Jacob. There was no man named Israel. They were just men. And they were Christians because they had faith. Abraham had faith and it was counted to him as righteousness. Abraham was not a Jew. It was his grandson who was named Israel.

Now, the lineage is traced there, but the lineage of Muslims, Arabs is traced to them as well. So to call Abraham a Jew is necessarily to also call him an Arab. It's just nonsense. He was Abraham. He was a son of her, I believe. So it's important because when you separate the belief in the promise of the Messiah, whether it was forward-looking as it was for Adam and Noah and Abraham, and indeed Mary,

Mary was a Christian. Because when the angel came to her and announced the blessing of the Messiah to be bestowed in her womb, she know what he was talking about? It wasn't out of left field. She believed the promises that had been transmitted through time in the Jewish culture and in the Jewish, the faith that they preserved. And there were, indeed, among the Judeans, among the Jews of Jesus Day, there were people who were Christian. Because when he showed up and he preached, like, yes, this is the Messiah. He did what the, what the Tao, the Tanakh said it would do. And he's doing these miracles that God said he would do. This is the Messiah. This is the one who was promised. They were

Jews because of their ethnicity, but they were Christians because of their belief. And the whole Judeo-Christian myth that has emerged only in the last century is specifically erasing everything that happened from 6,000 years ago to 4,000 years ago. In pretending that the 2,000 years prior to Christ's birth, that was the period of Israel, has anything to do with what came before it. It wasn't Jews who gave us the Messiah, it was God. God gave the promise to Adam, passed it through Abraham, and then delivered it through Mary, and we had Jesus. That is God's work. It's not the work of a people. And the fact that God chose a nation to be the vessel, both for the promises and for the delivery of those promises, is to God's glory. I mean, they were some of the most irascible, miserable people ever recorded.

They did things that there's no other group of people who would have murdered Jesus when he came along producing infinite quantities of food and raising the dead, nobody else would have murdered him except for them because they were necessary to be their evil selves so that the prophecy could be fulfilled, but it doesn't get him off the hook. So there's no legacy of Judeo-Christian. It's 6,000 years of Christians in heaven today, and some of them were Jews prior to Jesus' day. Once he showed up, you either stopped being a Jew or you had no problem. hope of salvation. I know for a fact that there are Orthodox Christians, Catholics, evangelicals, liturgical

Protestants who listen to your show. What do you attribute that to the fact that you have an ecumenical audience? There's almost a bit of irony in it because particularly from my end, but from woes as well to a certain extent, I'm a little polemical when it comes to, distinctive across denominations and traditions. But ultimately, as Christians, we can recognize each other, even if we have our disagreements. We are brothers in disagreement. And I don't view those in other traditions as enemies. They are brothers. I view them as being in error because we disagree on certain doctrines. But the things that we are discussing on Stone Choir are by and large things on which all Christians agree.

Now there are going to be exceptions. We did recently do episodes on baptism and the Lord's Supper. We're very clearly going to disagree on those. We're going to agree they're important. I would say that even the Baptists are going to agree that baptism is important. We're going to disagree on what they do and what the nature of these things are, because those who are magisterial Protestants are going to believe that they are sacraments and agree with both the Roman Catholics and the Eastern Orthodox on that insofar as it goes. but we are discussing matters that are fundamental to the Christian faith. They are things that are not necessarily doctrinal distinctives,

because whether or not you think that baptism now saves you, you can probably agree that having Christian rulership of your country is better than what we have today. You can agree that not charging interest is a matter that is addressed in Scripture and is something on which all Christians can and should agree. And so there's this wealth of issues on which we as Christians can agree the basics of the faith, certain things about Christian society. And so there's partly those reasons are part of why people can listen to Stone Choir,

even if they disagree with us on some doctrine and some theology. But there's also the aspect, we're the only ones doing it. And so where else are they going to turn for the information presented as it is in the way it is? There are not that many options. And so even if we happen to be Lutheran and we have a Presbyterian in our audience, he's going to listen to us. He's going to disagree with us on the specifics of the sacrament of the table and some other things, obviously predestination to some degree.

But he's going to agree with what we say on 90% of issues. And so because of the fact that we're willing to say the things we're willing to say in the way we're willing to say them, I think that's why we have the ecumenical audience, because they recognize that even where we disagree, we are all brothers in Christ. And ultimately, the differences in doctrine and theology, dogma, what have you, will be resolved in paradise. We won't disagree there because we'll know the truth,

and we'll certainly have God right there to give us an answer. Here and now in time, we are going to continue to disagree on things, and sometimes, yes, vehemently, sometimes in a little heated fashion, there will be polemics, and I don't think that's unbecoming. Americans, by and large, have developed this, you can call it genteel, but it's not even really that, it's effeminate. They have developed in a feminine way of dealing, with disagreement. And so you'll have people who will realize they disagree with someone and just totally avoid it, or they'll so-called agree to disagree. They'll avoid the issue instead of meeting it head on and addressing it. Men deal with disagreement by talking to each other, by arguing with each other,

and sometimes in a little bit of a heated fashion. That is how men argue. That is how men address disagreements. We're willing to do that on Stone Choir. We're entirely willing to tell part of the audience, you're wrong. This issue is wrong. Here it is in Scripture. This is why you're wrong. We're not going to say, well, you can some people think and some others think, but really, no, we're going to say, here is what we believe, this is why we believe it, here is what you believe, and we're going to characterize the other side as best we can. We're not going to make straw men, and then we're going to address why we think it's wrong. And that is historically, and that is today how they should, but it is historically how Christians and how men disagreed with one another.

You have that even in pagan cultures historically. The ancient Greeks didn't dance around the issue. They would come out and talk with each other about these issues. Employers, did you know, you can now reward you and your staff, with up to 1,500 euro and gift cards annually, completely tax-free. And even better, you can spread it over five different occasions. Now's the perfect time to try Options Card. Options card is Ireland's brand new multi-choice employee gift card packed with unique features that your staff will love.

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For various reasons in American culture, some of that has fallen by the wayside. Partly it has come from the academy because of the way that academic debate has taken place in the U.S. you actually have a little bit less of this in some of the continental academic culture because you still have insults in academic papers on the continent, which is totally foreign to Americans, the idea of insulting someone in a formal paper. But that's fine over there. But so we have this weird culture in the U.S.

where we've lost the ability to confront each other. And that's just alien to men in general. And it's also particularly alien to Christianity. Scripture is clear. We are to confront each other when we believe that a brother is in error. And then together, we research the scriptures, we search the scriptures and find the solution to the issue. And yes, it may seem like some of these problems are intractable or unsolvable because they've been ongoing for centuries. Lutherans and the reforms have been at each other for 500 years. And even more so than Lutherans and Roman Catholics, we tit for tat every so often exchange things back and forth. But really the Lutherans and the reformative just been at it constantly for 500 years. So it seems like there's no solution. But that doesn't mean that you stop. You still discuss the issues.

You still address the points of the other side because that is what men are supposed to do. And so we have this listenership because that's what we're doing. And almost no one else is willing to do it in this particular space. And we specifically tackled subjects that get you canceled that make people hate you. You know, there's not a lot of fluff in our catalog because we're not going to do much coverage of things that have been hashed out. You know, the episodes we did on communion and baptism were really exceptions because we had a lot of people asking, what do Lutherans believe about this stuff? Because, you know, most people have never heard of Lutherans or never met one like you.

Until seven years ago, you never met a conservative Lutheran. That's something Lutherans are absolutely terrible for, and it's unforgivable. It's just, it's a wicked thing that we were given an inheritance of defensible theology and then forgot to tell anybody else. We just sit around on our laurels happy with ourselves that we got all this stuff right, not because we're bright, but because somebody handed us a 500-year-old book. That's not, that's not the Christian life. So the subjects that we tackle are things that, you know, like today's episode was against the idolatry of capitalism, that when you look at the things that are held, up as being capitalism and subtract the historic falsehoods from the definition, what you're left are things that are unscriptural harm to neighbor, almost exclusively.

You know, so, you know, in the intro we talked about, you know, there's this binary thinking that everyone's been programmed with, oh, you don't like capitalism. What are you a socialist? It's like, oh, you don't like Trump. You must be a Biden supporter. Like, no, man, I'm way on the other side of the spectrum from Trump. that you can't approach subjects like that. And yet that's the way pretty much everything in discourse today goes.

So we exist, you know, now that we're, neither of us have families. There's nothing that can be done to us that won't simply harm us personally. And we're willing to bear that cost because the alternative is for no one to be speaking clearly about these things. I think one of the things we do well is that we're able to take a relatively complex subject and present in a way that someone who even disagrees with us can at least get the gist of what it is we're saying. And if you disagree with what we've said, you understand why you disagree. There's not confusion because we're very clear as much as possible with terms. We don't want to engage in some of the historic errors that have occurred where people try to pretend to agree.

You know, something that after Luther died, Melanchthon did with the Lutheran confessions. He tried to change wording and get people to agree that, you know, the reformed in Lutherans actually believe the same thing about the sacrament of the altar, when we don't. But if you redefine words in such a way that everyone can say, oh, yeah, I'm sure, we're on the same page. That's nonsense. It's not true. There's the number of men who are capable of speaking clearly, and the intersection of that with the number of men who are willing to speak clearly is a vanishingly small set. And so, like Corey said earlier, God has given us these abilities. And as far as I see, like this is what I'm going to do, until I'm not able to do it anymore.

I don't particularly enjoy it, but I don't care. You know, if it's, if it has to be done, it has to be done. That's a sense of duty is incumbent upon a man who has a gift, whatever it is. If you're, if you are only good at one thing, don't waste that thing. And, you know, in the case of Corey and I, we're good at lots of different things. And fortunately, we're able to kind of bring a lot of them to bear on this particular task. Well, let me, uh, bring up four episodes. in particular that I've recommended to a bunch of people because I think they're very in-depth.

You did four episodes on the Jews, starting way back in history and coming up to post-World War II. What compelled you to do that? Why did you think that needed to be put out there? In part, that was necessary because we were building up to, we've actually done additional episodes on that really, because the episode on dispensationalism is effectively a continuation of the series on the Jews. And that's part of why we did it. When you have modern live heresies in the church, it is in part necessary to address the historical context so that people have something to grasp, some understanding of how we got here and why we got here. Because dispensationalism in and of itself doesn't make any sense.

Where did this thing come from? What are these claims? If you understand, as we went over very early on in the podcast, the genealogy of ideas, if you go all the way back and find a wicked tree, the fruit is wicked as well, because an evil tree produces evil fruit, a good tree produces good fruit. And so if you search all the way back, for instance, with dispensationalism, and you find that the roots of that tree are in Judaism and Zionism and Marxism and all of these, evils, you know for a fact that dispensationalism is evil. You can't possibly say that it's a good thing because an evil tree will not produce good fruit. Scripture is abundantly clear on that. And so we went over these issues, this history of the Jewish people, because it is vitally

important for modern Christians to understand, for instance, Jesus was not a Jew. A Jew and a Hebrew are different things. When you say, Israelite, that means something different from Israeli. And you have many modern Christians who have no idea what these things mean. And so they have this just absolute mud of ideas in their head that they've got from various propaganda outlets. And they don't know how to understand this information. They don't know what the Christian faith actually teaches on these subjects. And part of it is just history. Obviously went over the rebellions against Rome and the fact that they were basically constantly murdering people throughout the history of their exile and their occupation by Rome, their subjugation by Rome, which was a punishment from God.

Scripture is again clear on that point. And so if you don't have the history, you don't have the context, you wind up falling for every charlatan, for every deceiver who comes along with some, if not new, than at least repackaged heresy. And if you're steeped in church history and you understand the history of this people in this region, you understand the actual teachings of scripture couched in the context in which they must be couched to be understood correctly, you will never fall for dispensationalism. Because dispensationalism constantly conflates categories that are distinct categories. The biggest example being the modern nation state of Israel and Old Testament Israel, they aren't the same. One is not a continuation of the other. Jew and Israelite are not the same. One is not a continuation of the other, except insofar as some of the modern Jews are a degenerate apostate descendant group from the ancient Israelites to a certain degree. They've been intermixed in large part, in part due to God's judgment. He took them into captivity variously under the Assyrians and the Babylon's and then the Romans and then destroyed them in 70 AD. You need the context to understand the Christian faith.

Yes, you can understand the basics without the history and without the context. It is perfectly fine. It is perfectly possible to have a very simple Christian faith. So, for instance, the mentally disabled can still be Christian without knowing all of this history. But knowing the history prepares men to stand up and refute heresies when they hear them. So if they have a false preacher who stands up and says, the Jews are chosen. If you don't know the scriptures and you don't know the history, you will not know how to respond to that man. And then you're going to fail. You're going to

fall down in your duty as a man, particularly if you're a father or a teacher, where it is your duty to refute that false teacher so that those under your care, those entrusted to your care by God, don't fall for that false doctrine. And so we did those episodes that the men listening to the podcast will be prepared to address these ideas because they come up constantly, particularly right now when there's a war going on over in that part of the world, and you have a huge chunk of the supposed right wing in the U.S. and to a smaller degree, but still a significant degree elsewhere, saying that we have to support Israel because, as Christians, it's our duty.

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They curse Christ. They teach in their Talmud that he's boiling an excrement for all of eternity. There have never been a people who hate God more than the modern Jews. And yet we have supposed Christians in the U.S. who are saying that, oh, well, we have to support them, simply because they claim to be an extension of Old Testament Israel. and because of isegesis of various passages in scripture, not least of all the 144,000 revelation, which is a symbolic number representing all believers throughout all time.

It is not literally 144,000 Jews. So that's why we went over these issues, because you have to have the context, you have to have the ammo to fight the modern battle. And the modern battle right now, for the church in large part, yes, there are a handful of and we're fighting on many battlefields because Satan is kind of doing, he seems to think that he has an advantage right now, which arguably he does. And so he's pushing that advantage. He's going to press the advantage as best he can. But this is a major one.

Because if you get this one wrong, so much else, so much other evil flows from this mistake, you have to understand the place of the Jews in the history what it means to be a Jew in the ancient sense and the modern sense and the modern sense, and what we as Christians should do with relation to the modern Jews. And quite frankly, in summary, what we should do is oppose them because they're evil and they hate God, not support them and keep sending them weapons. We mentioned, I think, in that series that prior to that, we'd done about 36 episodes,

and in at least a third of them, we had also mentioned Jews. And it wasn't because we hate these people for racial reasons or we hate them all. It's because whenever we look at problems in the West, whenever we look at problems in the church, we inevitably find Jews at the nexus of the issue. You know, the episode on feminism, the origins of feminism, the origins are not explicitly Jewish, but the entire 20th century is when we did the episode on Michael Martin Luther King Jr., the Marxist Adjutor, it was mostly a list of Jewish names. I mean, the joke that was basically reading the Jewish telephone book, because so many of the men who were influencing what that man did publicly in this country

were of this race and of this religion. And it's inextricable. You know, the fact that you can have an entire category in Wikipedia of Jewish atheists is a demonstration that it's not principally religious, it's principally racial. And whether or not it's an ethnic Jew who practices the religion or not, they're all steeped in a culture that has this hatred of God, and inheritance. So the vehemence with which the Orthodox Jew hates and curses Christ is matched only by the non-practicing Jew, the atheist Jew. They deny that God exists, but they hate him.

You know, it's what C.S. Lewis was like when he was a teenager, except none of them have managed to outgrow it. And so, yeah, a lot of our episodes have dealt with that. Again, it's a hot-button issue. There are not many people who will show their face in public who will say, here are all the things that are wrong with the Jews. You know, we did four episodes to cover four different aspects of it. We talked about, you mentioned the timeline. There's Hebrews, Israelites, and Jews. We talked about it in Scripture.

We talked about what happened in the immediate aftermath of the murder of Christ. And one of the reasons that we want to tackle, you know, that subject in particular, is that I personally sat in the pews and listened to Lutheran pastors literally changed the text of a reading from the Jews to the Pharisees. because they refuse to attribute to the race of people, as Scripture does, the evil that is done. Not because it's anything that they get from Scripture, but it's what they get from their catechesis in the world. It's a cultural imposition. And these aren't left-wing pastors I'm talking about. Their guys are, but they made them so uncomfortable.

They knew they would get some static for saying the Jews killed Christ from the pulpists. They said, the Pharisees did it. It's that sort of sleight of hand that, you know, these very small things that, you know, you know, start in seminaries and they have these little bits and pieces and sermons. It only takes a generation before no one can think the opposite. And the problem is that the opposite in this case is what scripture says. Yeah, as the Michael Jones points out, the gospel of John mentions Jews, I think, 72 times and 71 times. It uses a pejorative.

So, yeah. And I think anyone who's looked into the history of it knows. how a lot of Jews feel about John chapter 8. I mean, they, that in, it infuriates them that, you know, Christ is basically saying they're of the devil. And it's a statement that's, it's reiterated in the, in Revelation, the epistles from, from Jesus Christ to the seven churches. In Revelation 2.9 and 3-9, he calls them the Jews, the ethnic Jews, the race of those people, the synagogue of Satan, which is a phrase that gets you instaband on Twitter if you use it. Even Elon's Twitter typing synagogue of Satan will get your post deleted and you'll get a strike for it.

I got away with it. It's still up. I don't know how I don't know how I'm pulling off some of the stuff that I'm doing. You must be in a session. I definitely. There seems to be a jubilee right now. We'll see how long it lasts, hopefully for a while so we can get some good done. But you very clearly have two competing groups in Scripture.

You have the synagogue of Satan and you have the Church of Christ. And that is, again, part of why we went over this issue because the term Israel confuses many modern Christians. Because this is the word concept thing again. It depends on what the term is referring to. The referent matters. And so when you say Israel, well, do you mean Jacob? Do you mean Old Testament Israel? Do you mean the Israel of God, which is to say the church?

Do you mean modern Israel, which is a geopolitical thing, not anything to do with our religion, not anything to do with the truth? And dispensationalism, for instance, relies on flattening all of that and confusing people by not clearly delineating which one is meant. You have two competing groups. Satan has his high priests. those are the Jews, and Christ has his sheep, the church. If you don't divide these groups, if you don't understand the division between them, you are going to wind up, not just with a false religion, not just with a false understanding of scripture, but you're going to wind up with evil politics.

And that's what we see today. There are very real consequences of getting these things wrong. Yes, of course, there's the consequences to your eternal soul personally, but there are the societal consequences where we have an entire nation of people who are supporting to the tune of billions of dollars, trillions of dollars over the many years we've supported them, a nation full of people who base their entire culture, their entire religion, off of hating God. And then we are supposedly saying we're going to be blessed because we support these people. It's completely ludicrous. Here's a question for you. I wasn't even planning on asking this question. it just came to me. When you look and it seems that over the past month and a half since this whole thing started,

it's one of those either or arguments. If you're using, seeing the opportunity that's happening to, you know, tear down Israel as much as possible, tear down Zionism as much as possible, you're on the side of of the Muslims. You're on the you're on the side of Islam. At this point, which one do you think is more of a danger to the West? I think that I'm like for the next six months, I don't have any problem with with us having troops there. I think they should be facing the other direction. I think that we should be preventing anyone from interfering with this battle that they started. You know, there's been, I'm thankful there's been with the redoubt. of censorship on Elon's Twitter, it's possible for people to share maps that show in 1947, going back many centuries, the place where the state of Israel today is on the map

was Palestine. For centuries, these people who live there, who had their land taken, are, they're the victims, they're living in an open-air concentration camp. And yes, they're Muslims, and I have a problem with their religion, and to the extent of the they want to be violent against my people, we'll finish that fight when they bring it. But this is not our backyard. This is a problem that happened when, you know, after 9-11, the argument was, we got to go bomb Iraq because if we don't fight them over there, we'll have to fight them over here, when it wasn't the same people at all.

And it was very arguably, even apart from the Israeli and Saudi connections, you have the CIA training and funding bin Laden directly. So we mess with these people. and then when there's the historic blowback, suddenly it's an excuse for the military industrial complex to make even more money and pour out more American blood in a place where we have no business being.

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well, Muslims are the only ones fighting it. That's the sort of stuff that the retarded people on the right fall for. And it's shameful, and I abuse them as much as I'll abuse anybody else because that's intolerably stupid. when something is false and when something is evil, you confront it. And if that turns out to be racist or it turns out to be politically incorrect, whatever. Muslims, when they're following the Quran correctly, are not the friends of the West. You have to be completely ignorant of the entire history of Europe to believe that.

It has always been a religion of conquest and rape and murder. And the fact that there are Lib Muslims today who don't want to do those things, change the nature of the religion because it's they behave as they've been taught when they're a minority they will act in one way as soon as their majority a switch flips and they will impose taxes on non-Muslims and all the other things so it's a political system inextricably linked to a religion and it is both a competing enemy religion and is a competing enemy political system now that doesn't mean we topple or on I don't care let let let the Persians be Persian. I wish they were Persian again instead of Iranian. I think when the Ayatollahs

took over, again, you know, we were heavily involved in that crap. We keep going over there and messing with these people for good or ill, and then more Americans have to die to clean up a mess. I don't, it is complicated, but it's very simple what we should do. We should do nothing. And if that means that Israel gets wiped out, well, it shouldn't have existed to begin with, which is crucially, completely separate from saying that the race of Jews today shouldn't exist. That's not a genocidal comment. The United Nations formed the state of Israel by stealing land from other people in a place where literally all their neighbors hate them as an ethnicity and as a religion.

They're at enmity with everyone around them. But the UN chose to put them there. So, yeah, there's going to continue to be battles until one side loses. that doesn't constitute an emergency on my part. I don't support either side in this conflict because, quite frankly, I don't have a dog in the fight. Insofar as the conflict spills over into the West with, if it happens to be supposed refugees or something like that, then I have an interest. But if they're over there killing each other, it's one pagan group against another pagan group. I have no interest. They both hate God. They both are not Christian. They're not my brothers by blood or by

faith. I don't care what they're doing over there. Yes, what Israel is doing is more evil, but I don't think that means we have to support either side. If we happened to give arms to the Palestinians and that just caused more chaos for those two groups, I wouldn't necessarily object to that because those groups weakening each other is good for us insofar as Israel doesn't decide to exercise the Samson option anyway, which is obviously a major problem. They should not have nuclear weapons. And under U.S. law, it's illegal for us to give them foreign aid if they have nuclear weapons, which they've now admitted openly. They've publicly admitted this a number of times. Now, they used to be coy about it. They've decided they're quite bold these days.

So no, I have no interest in that conflict, and I would like us to be uninvolved in it. But it comes back to, again, it's the issue of dispensationalism, these false ideas in the church about what scripture means and what Christians are supposed to do. And to tie this back to an earlier point, we were speaking about pagans earlier, and I call them pagans in the vague sense, the more expansive sense of the term. the neo-pagans really are spiritually and intellectually just like the Jews. And the reason for that is fairly straightforward. The Jews believe, and they did believe, it's part of why they rejected Christ, they believe they're saved by their blood. They believed that this was an ethnic religion, that it was God came down and told the Jews,

you're special, I'm going to save you, everyone else is subhuman, and I'm going to kill them and make them serve you. That's what they believe. That's what they write in the Talmud. And John the Baptist is very clear. God can raise up for Abraham from these stones, new sons. They are not special and they are not saved by their blood and they hate that. That's one of the reasons they hate Christ. Neo-pagans are the same way.

They want to say that, well, we're white and we're European and so our blood is so special that we are above everyone else and great and wonderful and we're saved by our blood and we should worship our ancestors and our blood. They're just doing the same thing as the Jews for their own group. It's no different. And that's not true. And the reason it's not true is very simple. Truth is objective. Something is either true or it is false. It is not a matter of, well, I'm European, so this is true. No, it's true or it's false. Either God is God or he is not God. It doesn't matter if you're European or you're Indian or you're Asian, whatever you are. God is God because he's God.

And some neo-pagans don't like that about Christianity. They'll say it's a universalist religion. It is. Christianity is a universalist religion in terms of its claims and in terms of its truth. If Christianity is true, it offers salvation to all. However, it is not universalist in the sense of destroying distinctives between and among people groups. because God is very clear in Scripture. He sets the boundaries in the times of the nations,

which means he created the races. And he is the one who decided in his wisdom that human beings should have races, they should be distinct, they should be separated geographically. And that is something that we should not seek to subvert. And so the neo-pagan idea that it's wicked or it's wrong that Christianity is universalist

is just completely ludicrous. the laws of logic don't depend on your race. A is A, whether you're white, black, or brown. That doesn't change. The same is true of religious truth claims. They are true or they are false regardless of race. And so trying to make an ethnic religion is just trying to do what the Jews have been doing for millennia.

It's filling hell with Jews. I'd rather we not fill hell with Europeans doing the same thing, but, you know, worshipping Thor instead of worshiping. worshiping whatever various gods the Jews worship. And so I would oppose the neo-pagans because of that. But back to the immediate question, I obviously oppose both sides because the Muslims are ancient hereditary enemies of the Christian name and religion to paraphrase the preface to the Augsburg Confession,

because that was part of what was discussed when the Lutheran Confession was introduced. They were discussing at Augsburg what to do about the Lugsburg. what to do about the Muslims invading Europe at the time. And the term used in the Lutheran confessions, and this is very relevant today for Lutherans, particularly because it makes some Lutheran pastors uncomfortable, which is generally good. They should be uncomfortable.

The term used is abfined, which means blood enemy. It is an ancient, it is a hereditary enemy. It is someone who is your enemy by blood, by race. and that is the case historically and today for the Muslims. They encompass a number of races today, obviously it's the Persians, the Arabs, and a couple others, but they are an enemy of the West of Christianity by blood. And the same is true for the Jews.

So no, I don't support either side because they both hate Christians, they hate Christ, they hate God. They are my enemies because they are enemies of all that is good and true. They are enemies of God. As I've said many times before, I do not have personal enemies. I don't count anyone my personal enemy. Even those who are trying to swat me or do various other things. I would be very annoyed if they got my dog shot, admittedly. But I don't consider these people personal enemies

because the only enemies I have are those who are enemies of God. Because that is what Scripture commands us to do. We are to forgive our personal enemies in Imiqi to use the law. Latin, because there's a distinction here between the personal enemy and the public enemy. And so a public enemy of your state, you can oppose, someone who seeks to destroy your people. But the public enemies, in terms of being public enemies of God, you are required to hate. And that is something that is missed by so many modern Christians. They seem to think that you just love everyone.

And yes, you show love in the sense that you pray for people, you hope that they repent, you hope they turn. to Christ. I obviously hope that for all of the people over there. Imagine the peace and the prosperity we'd have in the world if we woke up tomorrow and everyone were Christian. We'd live in a virtual paradise as close as we can get in this fallen world. That won't happen. Those individuals, those nations, those peoples, those races are enemies of God and therefore they are enemies of individual Christians and we are required because they are God's enemies and he hates them, we are required to hate them. You still pray for them because you can pray for your enemies at the same time as hating them. Someone who is seeking to destroy you, you can pray for his conversion

so that he will stop his evil so he will stop being wicked and stop being your enemy. But so long as he is the enemy of your people, the enemy of God, you are required as a Christian to hate him. because there is no love without hate, because to love something necessarily entails to hate that which seeks to destroy it. If you have no objections, I think we can end it right there. Tell everybody where they can find the podcast, and anything else you would like them to.

You can find, well, the podcast is available on every of the podcast directories. You can find it in every app outlet, with the exception of the episode, that the big lie, which was on the Holobunga, has been removed from Spotify. That's the only thing we know has been censored so far. Probably won't be the last one. So what was it on? The big lie about the Holobunga, the Holocaust.

Oh, okay, yeah. Everything else you can find and pre-inch all the services. It's also at stone hyphenquire.com. If I could just make a brief comment on the episodes, we've, as much as possible, we try to avoid doing anything timely. There's often a lot of coincidental timing, but we've endeavored to create a back catalog that will be timeless. So if you listen to a random episode and like it, I would encourage you to start from the

beginning, in part because every episode tackles something we think was important to address, and many of them build over time. So as we get further and further along, there's more and more references back to principles or points that were established in previous episodes. So we try to make sure that each episode will stand alone topically. But in terms of the overall arching flow of everything we're getting across, it is worth actually going back. And I'm not just saying that because, you know, we did it and we worked on it.

But a lot of people who have done that from the beginning have told us that they're very grateful they did. So, you know, a lot of podcasts, you can, you know, it's because it's, you're, ripped from the headlines, unless you want to go back can get the pulse of a certain day on the calendar, there might not be a lot of interesting content, but that will not be the case for what we do. And there's only, there's, we, we put up episode 52 today, so it's an achievable amount. I'll mention just the subject of the length because we were shy about it in the first couple episodes. We didn't know. We've never,

well, Corey's out of podcast before, but specifically, you know, doing Bible readings and such, and occasionally doing, you know, homilies. we didn't know how long we wanted to be, and we didn't know if anyone would listen or what they would tolerate. So we were initially shooting for like an hour. I think the first episode was about 75 minutes, and the second one was like 90 minutes. And then pretty quickly we did a two-hour episode, and we called it at the time a double episode. It was on election in view of headship because we thought two hours was absurd. We didn't think anybody to listen to it.

It turns out that a whole lot of people are willing to listen for two hours. One of the things that we are good at, because I've listened to, to a ton of podcasts. I know what annoys me. There's no fluff. We go straight to the point. There's no joking around. So in two hours, you're really going to get three or four hours of content and a lot of other shows. So, you know, it's a nice thing about a podcast. You can pick it up and put it down. You don't have to listen to it all in one session. But some of them are pretty long. If you look at the two hour length and think I'm not listening to that crap, give one a shot because time will actually fly. You'll be surprised at how quickly it goes because you're not going to

be sitting there tolerating a couple of guys just kind of shooting the crap, we're going to bear you. There are a lot of episodes you're going to want to listen to you more than once just because there's so much information conveyed. So that's my pitch for the back catalog. It's, it's all important. And as we go further along, more and more we realize that I'm glad we got an episode laid down because it turned out to be crucial for something that we had to address next. I agree with all of that. Thanks, guys. I really appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you for having us.