The Peter Zeihan Podcast Series - China Bans Greentech Metal Exports to the US || Peter Ziehan

Episode Date: July 7, 2023

We're continuing our conversation on China's inability to govern itself, and this is the cherry on top of it all...China restricting the export of metals used in greentech and semiconductor tech to th...e United States. Full Newsletter: https://mailchi.mp/zeihan/china-bans-greentech-metal-exports-to-the-us

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey everybody, Peter Zion here coming to you from extremely foggy Colorado. We are continuing kind of a two part one here and something that's going on with the Chinese and their inability to governor entering negotiations. So the new news from the 5th of July is that the Chinese are restricting exports of a couple of materials to the United States, materials that are used in green technologies and semiconductor industries, specifically germanium, and gallium. Now, for those of you who've been to follow me for a while, you know that when it comes to things like rare earths,
Starting point is 00:00:34 I'm really not concerned because all we have to do is kind of turn on the processing capacity that we've already built, and then within a few months, the Chinese supplies don't matter at all. This doesn't have fallen to that category. Gallium and germanium are not rare earths. They're co-produced with other ore, so it's not that the extraction is particularly difficult,
Starting point is 00:00:52 but this is something where we would have to build up the processing capacity first before we can get around this being a process. I still don't think it's a major problem for two reasons. Number one, for people who are willing to admit that something that's becoming increasingly obvious, the bilateral relationship between the United States and China is hostile. It's becoming more hostile by the second, and the incapacity of the Chinese system to even enter into meaningful negotiations means it's only going to get worse. Part of the issue is that Chairman Xi has so purged the system that China's
Starting point is 00:01:28 not even capable any longer having good faith negotiations. And even if it was capable of good faith, it couldn't handle the technical details because Chairman Xi would have to do it personally and then he would have to implement it personally because he's purged the system throughout China of anyone who is even marginally competent. So the capacity of China to even act as an actor, much less a good faith actor, is pretty much fallen away, which leaves us with things like this Germanium and gallium ban because this This is like knee-jerk, grade D-minus, not even freshman-level economic coercion. The Chinese said flat out that this was a hostile move designed to punish the United States
Starting point is 00:02:08 and that more was coming. But when you look at what's going on, you'll see that it's not something to be all that worried about. Now, Germanian gallium, the Chinese, based on whose numbers you're using, produced between 50 and 80% of those two materials. And yes, the United States does have a weakness in terms of processing and access. But a few things to keep in mind. First of all, geranium is a byproduct of zinc mining and zinc refining, and zinc production globally is pretty robust.
Starting point is 00:02:35 Yes, the Chinese are the biggest player, but they're also the biggest user. So if you were simply to add some processing capacity at a half a dozen places around the world, maybe a couple of the United States would be nice. That would solve itself. Gallium is a byproduct of aluminum production, specifically the first stop of aluminum production, where you turn bauxite into aluminum. That is also done in a number of places.
Starting point is 00:02:58 The reason that the Chinese dominate the production of these two micro materials is that it's a little dirty, and so the Chinese have just subsidized the production of that specific set. There's nothing expensive or technologically competent or even particularly time-consuming about building replacement capacity.
Starting point is 00:03:15 And so we might have some pressure for a few weeks to a few months as people kind of sink in how serious the Chinese are or not about these bans, but replacing those materials is not particularly hard. Second, I would argue that this is a good thing that the Chinese are using a complete lowball, flunky, incompetent measure of intimidation because, you know, Americans are going to blow this out of proportion. Things like the IRA and the Chips Act were rare in for a third one that is specifically about strategic materials production.
Starting point is 00:03:47 And this plays right into that political drama. You'll have Democrats and Republicans falling over each other. in order to put the money forward and put in regulations to encourage these productions within the North American system. And the Chinese have really proven to be very helpful in that. And third, and most importantly, if the Chinese really are serious about an input war, oh my God, they are fucked. Because 90% of the world's semiconductor capable silicon comes from North freaking Carolina. And so if we're really talking about a materials war as part of the struggle for the digital age,
Starting point is 00:04:26 they're not going to have computers because they can't get access to the raw materials that are necessary in mass to make the most basic technologies that make the era run. And that's semiconductors. So this is not something where the Chinese have any more than a passing advantage and a couple micro materials that are easily to produce in other places. And by doing this in this way, in this in your face wolf warrior way, for something that ultimately is easily replaceable is probably the most effective way that I can think of
Starting point is 00:05:03 of getting the United States past dependency on the Chinese in general and honestly destroying their tech sector in its entirety. Now there's some political decisions that have to be made in the United States on both sides of the aisle, on Capitol Hill, in the White House and on and on and on. But the United States is in the mood for this. The competition, now that we're entering political season for the next election cycle,
Starting point is 00:05:27 is who can be most anti-Chinese. It's just a question of whether or not you're going for decoupling or derisking or re-storicing. I mean, everyone has their own preferred term, but the bottom line for almost everyone is how to end the dependency. And the Chinese are really, being very helpful and encouraging us to move that forward.
Starting point is 00:05:49 All right, that's it. Take care.

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