The Peter Zeihan Podcast Series - Coping Mechanisms 101: The "TACO" Trade || Peter Zeihan

Episode Date: June 9, 2025

I won't ramble on about Trump's chaotic trade policy because you're all aware of that. However, there are some interesting updates to share.Join the Patreon here: https://www.patreon.com/PeterZeihanFu...ll Newsletter: https://mailchi.mp/zeihan/coping-mechanisms-101-the-taco-trade

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, Al, Peter Zine here, coming to you from Colorado. I'm recording this over the weekend. You're going to see it on Monday, June 2, which means we will undoubtedly have a few updates that are not being folded in because that's just the nature of the beast these days. We're going to talk about trade today, specifically what is up with the Trump administration and the current status of the many trade wars that the Trump administration has launched. If you remember, this is the most aggressive president we have ever had when it comes to issues of trade. We have already had a 132 documented trade policy changes by this administration, and things are getting a little out of control. Let's start by talking about two of the United States's four biggest trading partners. So number one and two are Mexico and Canada. We've dealt with those before. I'm sure we're going to deal with them again. But in the last few days, we've had a lot of movement on Europe and China, who are number three and number four. Let's start with Europe. Trump decided that the Europeans are not serious with their trade talks. The primary reason is that there's no one on the U.S. side to answer the phone when the Europeans call. The Trump administration still hasn't staffed up
Starting point is 00:01:10 for really anything, most notably for trade talks. Normally, it takes several dozen, if not several hundred people, to handle the negotiations for one major trade deal in the United States is attempting to do 200 deals at the same time. So everything's just kind of slogged. Anyway, Trump laid the blame on the Europeans and said that come July 1, tariffs will increase. by a factor of 5 to 50%. He then had a call with the Commission President, Ursula Vondelan, and said that no, that's going to actually happen on July 9. By the way, these are not trade policy adjustments,
Starting point is 00:01:42 so they don't go to that 132 number. These are just things that he said on truth social. And with the Chinese, we had a recent deal in Geneva where the Trump administration agreed to peel back the terrorists from 145% to 10% percent, to 10% while talks continue. So it was just an agreement to talk. Trump has now said, again, on truth social, that the Chinese had violated the deal to talk, and so tariffs are probably going to be coming back in soon.
Starting point is 00:02:12 I have no idea what's going on behind the scenes in the Trump administration. There are so few people that you can tap to find out. But it appears, at least from the Chinese and the European point of view, as well as the Canadian, the Mexican, and the Japanese and the Korean, and blah, blah, blah, is that the Trump administration is basically making policy off of whim. The normal flows of information that would inform the White House of what's going on in the world don't exist anymore. The Trump administration is fired. The top 1,400 positions in the federal government.
Starting point is 00:02:41 Very few of those have been replaced with anyone, and those that have been replaced have generally been replaced with party loyalists rather than anyone who knows anything about, in this instance, trade. So we're just getting things going back and forth and back and forth, not based on data, not based on reality, not based on trade flows, not based on national security concerns, based on whatever it is that Trump feels the issue of the moment happens to be. And the result is just this erratic nature of policy. As a result, now that we're a few months in, Wall Street has had to deal with this,
Starting point is 00:03:12 and they've developed something called the Taco Trade. Taco stands for Trump always chickens out. And the logic behind the trade is that Trump says these big things, implements these big policies, and then he immediately backs down, immediately within a few weeks. I'm not sure that's entirely fair. Trump obviously finds it a lot less amusing than a lot of other people do,
Starting point is 00:03:36 but it gives you an idea of just how everyone feels. We don't know day-to-day what the policy is going to be. We don't know day-to-day what the goal is, and so we don't know day-to-day how Trump is getting from A to B, assuming there is a B. And what information I've been able to glean out of the White House is that there was never a goal in the first place. This is just how Trump likes to run the show,
Starting point is 00:03:59 and this is what we can look forward to for four years, which explains in vivid detail why industrial construction spending the United States has basically seized up, because nobody wants to invest in an industrial plant if they don't know what the rules of the game are, especially if the person who's making up the rules of the game keeps making up the rules of the game.
Starting point is 00:04:18 On top of that, we have now had a court case by a trade court in the United States that says that the Trump administration does not have the legal authority to do most of these trade policies. Now, according to the Constitution, the Congress is the only body in the United States that has any trade authority on tariffs. But over the last several decades, most notably in the 70s, the Congress submitted some of that authority to the U.S. Executive for Emergency circumstances, and almost every tariff that the Trump administration has put in place,
Starting point is 00:04:54 place to this point has drawn upon that emergency authority. So Trump declares an emergency and then defines the tariff. The court disagreed with the logic of that saying not that Trump is interpreting the statute incorrectly, but that Congress cannot unilaterally cede tariff authority to the president. Now, I'm not a legal scholar. I'm not going to parse that. I just found the case kind of interesting that they were going after Congress with the ruling rather than the presidency. It's already been appealed, and there's already been a stay on that tariff suspension. So those are two of the 132 tariff changes that we've had now. And the Trump administration, of course, is going to appeal this all the way up to the Supreme Court.
Starting point is 00:05:37 And since we're already at the upper federal district court level, it's not going to probably take too long to get there to get some legal clarity. But the bottom line is clear. We're in a bit of an institutional crisis over the ability of Trump to do what he is doing, and now Congress has been roped into that discussion as well. From my point of view, the fact that Congress actually is being called to the carpet on some of these issues is actually great because it's going to force a degree of clarification about what is possible, what is not without an act of Congress. But between now and then, you should expect nothing but more confusion as everyone is trying to figure out what's going on
Starting point is 00:06:13 while the floor keeps shifting under all of us.

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