The Peter Zeihan Podcast Series - Deglobalization: There's No Stopping It Now

Episode Date: February 2, 2023

The globalized world has seemingly been great for everyone...security, access to foreign markets, the list goes on...so why would the US choose to continue down the path of deglobalization?Full Newsletter: https://mailchi.mp/zeihan/deglobalization-theres-no-stopping-it-now

Hey everyone, Peter Zine here, coming to you from Colorado. Today, I wanted to answer a couple of questions that folks had, namely why I'm so confident that de-globalization is past the point of return. The idea is that if the United States has benefited from globalization for so long, why, even if it was in danger, wouldn't the U.S. just kind of doubled down? Three things. First, you got to look at why the United States did this in the first place. Globalization was never about the economics for the United States, or at least not about the economics in a traditional sense. The United States had the world's largest economy long before World War II. And with the war, we found all of our potential rivals, cooperation nations, friends, allies, enemies, everybody put together had an

economy that was about the same size of the United States. And economic growth was hard to come by. Economic security was impossible. And a big part of what led to that was competition over resources, over lands, over security, basically all of the things that have colored human history since the beginning. So, the Americans came to the conclusion that when they were facing down Stalin in the middle of Europe, that there was no way that Americans would be able to economically politically support the kind of conflict where the Soviets were right there and we were an ocean away, especially when we would be fighting on the territory of countries it had been absolutely devastated.

So the solution was to bribe everybody, to use our Navy, to patrol the global oceans so that any one of our allies could go anywhere at any time and interact with any other player, access any material, and especially access the American market, which was really the only one of Scythe's to survive the war.

The catch was you had to let the Americans write your security policies. And so never forget that from the very beginning, the very concept of globalization for the United States. It was never about economics or trade. It was about security. We pay you to be on our side. And that worked, and after 40, 45 years, the Cold War ended because the Soviet system could not compete, because the Americans not only held the security upper hand, but had created this alliance of economies that were massively larger. Because by the time we got to the

1980s, Korea, which had been the world's fifth poorest country and per capita terms, actually surpassed that of the Soviet Union. So there was just no long-term competition to be had. Now, that was 30, 35 years ago. And since then, the world has changed. We've entered into a hyper-globalization era where any number of other players have come into the global system and participated under the rules the U.S. set up. And this means it's not just the West, and it's not just the Asian protectorates, but it's Southeast Asia. It's Brazil, it's India, it's Russia itself, and of course, China. We're no longer in a world where the U.S. economy is as large as everybody else put together.

Based on how you do the math, the rest of the world combined is three or four times the size of the United States. So doing an indirect economic subsidization, as the U.S. had for 45 years, became less and less tenable over the next 30. And we're now in an environment where some of these countries, China, for the most part, are so overextended and so dependent on globalization. that the only way they can survive is that the United States increases support, not decreases. Their demographics mean they have no market. Their lack of military reach means they can't get energy. And their dependence on the Russians means that the country that is most likely to use economics, especially raw material supply,

in order to achieve geopolitical concessions, is now their single largest partner. Newsflash, that's not going to end well. Okay, so that's kind of piece one. This, the idea of globalization is no longer benefiting the United States because we've never viewed it the same way as everyone else. But there's a couple other reasons to think of. First, American politics. During the Cold War, we had a pretty strong bipartisan foreign policy.

Remember that American foreign policy is a reflection of its domestic policy. And every generation or two, Americans go through and kind of refabricate what their parties mean. This is part of the side effect of having a first-passed-the-post single-member district system, which is a fancy way of saying that you vote for a candidate who's going to represent a specific geographic area. And they have to get more votes than whoever comes in second. So the parties have a vested interest in throwing as wide of a net as possible so they can get that extra-marginal vote. well, every few decades, politics shifts because demographics change and economics change and security changes. And if you think about what we've been through in the last 35 years, the Cold War has

ended, hyper-globalization has risen, hyper-globalization has fallen. The baby boomers were in their prime, the baby boomers are now retiring. We've had the information revolution. We've had social media. Of course we're going to handle our politics different. And when you do that, the factions that make up the parties move around. Remember, big net, big tent parties. That means they've got lots of factions that are always struggling for dominance and influence. When politics shifts, those factional alliances

don't make sense anymore, and so they have to evolve. And the politics don't just rise and fall within the big tent party. They fall out, they shift sides. And if you look at what has happened, so far, none of it supports, globalization. So, for example, unions have largely fallen out of the Democratic coalition. The Trump coalition was fairly successful at drawing them out. They are very anti-free trade.

The Trump administration also kicked the business community and the national security conservatives out of the Republican coalition. Those were the two factions for economic and security reasons that were most in favor of globalization. And so now we've got the Biden administration and a Trump-led Republican coalition that is basically having a tug of war for the unions. So it's just like we can't have a conversation about immigration in the United States because the unions don't want to have it.

No one in Washington wants to talk about globalization in a positive light because the unions are at stake in terms of which political alignment they're going to take and the two groups that used to like globalization, national security and business conservatives, they're not even part of the room anymore. But probably the...

biggest reason is the third one, and that's demographics. When you urbanize and industrialize, and for most of the world, they didn't start that in earnest until 1945, or in the case of the developing world until 1992, you move off the farm, you move into the town, and instead of working on a subsistence agricultural system, you now are getting a services, a manufacturing, or an industrial job. And that means you are living in condos or single-family homes or town homes that are crammed together. And in that sort of environment, kids go from being free labor to just being expensive headaches, and you have fewer of them. Well, for the rich world, these transitions started 75 years ago. For the developing world, they started 40 years ago.

You play that forward, and the world is literally running out of people aged 20 and under, and has for 20 years now, which means now most of the world is running out of people 40 and under. Well, the whole idea of trade, the whole idea of globalization is someone has to buy the stuff. Trade makes no sense if there's nobody on the other end of the sale. And we are now entering a world where the people who traditionally have done most of the consuming, people 45 and under, the folks that were having kids and buying homes and cars, they just don't exist in the necessary numbers to sustain the system. You've undoubtedly heard from me about how the Chinese and the Russians

are the two fastest aging societies in human history. But the Germans aren't far behind and the Koreans behind that. And the Indonesians, the Indians and the Brazilians are actually aging faster than what most of the developing world has done for the last 70 years. And you only have to fast forward to about 2040, 2045, before the average American is younger than the average Brazilian. And 10 years after that, younger than the average Indian, Indonesian, or Mexican. So we no longer have the security parameters to make this.

work because the Americans aren't interested. We no longer have the economic basis to make this work because we don't have enough young people to consume. And the Americans are taking a political moment for themselves. It's going to last a few more years in order to digest whatever is going to happen with the unions. And that, out of neighbor. And that is more than enough time to kill any remnants of the globalized system. What would need to happen if the United States is the United States really wanted to get back in this game is some sort of security scare that scares us more than the rest of the world where we feel we need to pay for a new alliance. The Ukraine war is not that. If you look at what the Biden administration has done, all the deals that are on the table are on

security. There's not a single guns for butter trade. In fact, every single trade war, every single tariff that the Trump administration put into place, the Biden administration has doubled and tripled down on except for one. There has been a deal over aerospace with the Europeans. But that's it. If anything, the Biden administration is far more anti-globalization than the Trump administration was. Or at a minimum, it's actually putting into a long-term policy. So even if the next president happens to be a strong globalist,

they're going to have to unwind eight years of anti-globalization. sentiment that is now hardwired into American policy, and another eight years under Obama of just complete strategic apathy. You're not going to do that in four years. So we are talking, best case scenario. If you want to be involved in a globalized system, another six years before the Americans might belly up back to the table. By then China will be gone.

Until next time.