The Peter Zeihan Podcast Series - East Asia, After America || Peter Zeihan

Episode Date: February 5, 2024

Today, we're looking at another region that the US will continue to keep tabs on - East Asia. This is one of those regions that will be plenty exciting in coming years, so let's jump in. This video was recorded in the fall of 2023. Full Newsletter: https://mailchi.mp/zeihan/east-asia-after-america

Everybody, Peter Zine here. We are continuing our post-American series about what the world will look like and where the hotspots will be after the United States for trenches from its current position. Coming to you from the Eagles Nest for wilderness of Spillo,

Gore Lake. And today we are going to discuss the East Asian Rim. This one is a little bit of an anomalous issue considering the series, but whatever. In that this is an area that the Americans are going to remain very engaged.

In part of it, it's about managing the Chinese decline, but in part it's because the United States has a couple of very powerful, creative, capable allies that Americans appreciate. The first one is Australia, which is arguably the staunchest ally the United States has. And it is always, well, for the last 50 years at least, served as a bit of a deputy for American interest in Southeast Asia, which is a region that the United States is interested in, but has never really had the time to give the amount of attention that it deserves.

in that's where the Australians come in. They've got excellent relations with most of the countries in the region. Most of the other will be Singapore and Indonesia. And then, of course, you've got New Zealand there as a sidekick. Anyway, part of the reason that the United States has given nuclear-powered submarines and a free trade deal to the Australians is because they've been so loyal and so long

in areas that are out of theater. They participated in Vietnam and Korea. They participated in Iraq and Afghanistan. They've always been there because they know at the end of the day, if they don't have a partnership with the Americans, then they are on their own, and they can read a map, and they realize they're wildly outnumbered in the region. So it is a strategy that they've been following for decades. It's a strategy that has borne a lot of fruit,

and it's a strategy that will continue to serve them well into the future. The other country is more of a newcomer, and that's Japan. Now, throughout the Cold War, the Japanese were a bit combination of seething and shell-shocked. They had been defeated soundly in World War II. nuked twice, which was something that didn't happen to Nazi Germany, and the post-war settlements were, if anything, harsher on the Japanese than they were on the Germans. And so there's always this lingering nationalist ideal in Japan that wanted to move beyond the American alliance network of the Cold War. But between the defeat, the occupation, American military

force, and the Soviets and the Chinese right there, they never really had that choice. Well, over the last 15 years, politics in Japan have evolved. It's not that the nationalism is gone, no. But the Chinese have become a much more clear and present danger than they thought a Chinese could ever be. And the Russians with their weakness in the Ukraine war are showing themselves to be wobbly, which means that the Japanese have become very thoughtful about what their possibilities might become, that some things may not be what they thought, some might be harder, some might be easier. And in that sort of mindset, when you're dealing with a demographic that is in terminal decline, you realize you probably are not going to be able to go it alone,

so it's best to look for partners who are going to see the world through a similar lens. And that has led them willingly back to the United States. Over the course of the last 15 years, the Japanese have built a pair of very large carriers, not quite super carriers,

but the aircraft that operate from them are the joint strike fighter that is made in the United States. And the Japanese has gotten closer and closer and closer and managed to strike a deal both with the Trump and with the Biden administration on the future of bilateral relations.

So it's not that Japan is not capable. It's the second most powerful Navy in the world by most measures. It's that Japan has chosen that rather than going to the loan, it's opening them the door on a protracted partnership with the United States and with Australia. And that puts major American power at three points of the Pacific, bracketing nicely where the Russians are and where the Chinese are. So for the future of this region, it's going to come down to how powers do or do not get along with the trilateral alliance.

Some, like the Chinese, are destined to break, not probably because of military confrontation, but because of their own internal issues, which means this is going to be a zone of chaos, opportunity, carpet bagging, for those of you who bothered to learn Mandarin, something like that. It's going to be impossible to put troops on the ground and stabilize something the size of China, even if you wanted to.

So it's probably just going to be a security black hole for a good long time. And then there's other powers like Taiwan, or Korea that get along pretty well with the United States and, to a lesser degree, the Japanese, but are going to have to decide just how handed glove they want to work. This is one of those things that popped up earlier this year when the Biden administration had the Japanese and the Koreans did in Camp David to basically hammer out a peace deal that dates back not to World War II, but to 1905 when the Japanese occupied and colonized the Koreans. If, if, if the Japanese.

and the Koreans can agree to get along, then we can have a mini-globalization in East Asia, because Taiwan's almost a routing area at that point, that also involves Southeast Asia. But if the Koreans decide to go a different direction, then there's a very big security problem because the Japanese will never be secure so long as the Koreans are a hostile power. So a lot of this remains an act in progress, but we're starting to see the outlines of a post-Russia, post-Chinese Asia already, and it speaks with an Australian and a Japanese accent. All right, that's it. Bye.