The Peter Zeihan Podcast Series - Geopolitics of Terror Groups: ISIS and ISIS Khorasan || Peter Zeihan

Episode Date: April 8, 2024

With the recent attack on Moscow, I received some requests to do a breakdown on the geopolitics of ISIS. First things first, there are two largely unaffiliated groups at play here – ISIS-Khorasan and the more widely known, ISIS. Full Newsletter: https://mailchi.mp/zeihan/geopolitics-of-terror-groups-isis-and-isis-khorasan

Hey everybody, Peter Zine here, coming to you from Frigid Colorado. We're taking a entry from the Ask Peter system today. In the aftermath of attacks by the Islamic State of Khorasan on Iran and more recently on Russia, I was requested to do a geopolitics of ISIS video. So here we go. A couple things to keep in mind. First of all, ISIS and ISIS Khorasan are two very different groups, so I can do a geopolitics of ISIS. ISIS's core power is in the middle fertile crescent between western Syria and central Iraq. So basically you've got the Euphrates Valley that goes from the Persian Gulf, up through Central Iraq, into Western Iraq, Northern Iraq, then comes back down to the cities of Hamas and Aleppo, excuse me. That is the zone that technology and people and ideas and trade have percolated back to, and forth through a lot of human history, especially the earlier days. And in that zone, the thing to remember is that the crescent is very, very, very, very thin. While you do have Mesopotamia in the east where the Tigris comes into play, and the zone between the rivers is a major agricultural zone,

and while you do have more rainfall in extreme Western Syria, when the Lebanon mountains merge with the highlands that eventually become Anatolia, in the middle, you only have the Euphrates. And even in modern days with industrial level technology, in many cases the green belt where you can grow food in the central Euphrates region is only a few miles from north to south. Because of that, they've never been able to develop kind of the dense population centers because there's never enough food production. And the zones that you can do something with are very, very skinny and very, very long, which makes it very difficult to patrol it. So think about this way. If your city was a half a mile alive but 20 miles long, and the proportions are much worse for Iraq,

if wherever your police station is, getting all the way down and all the way back would be difficult. You want something that's spread out from a central point, like, you know, say, a Chicago or Houston, or Dallas, or most of our cities. It just makes a civilizational penetration much more difficult, and eventually you hit the hard desert where you can't do anything. So this is the zone that ISIS is from. Water is limited. There's only one source aside from the oases, and either you control it or you don't. And so geopolitics that region tend to be very visceral and very desperate. And this is part of the reason why ISIS is so violent,

because it is a battle for survival among groups every single day. Now, it also means the groups like ISIS are not long for this world. If you look at the region from a broader perspective, if you go further west, you hit the Levant, which has powers like Israel and the core of Syria. If you go north, you get into Anatolia, and the Turkish territories, and if you go east,

you get into Mesopotamia, which has been a cradle civilization for quite some time. This zone in the middle can't do anything. And the zone in the middle has never been powerful enough to penetrate into any of those other three zones. So the only time this zone in the middle matters at all

is when all three of those major areas are offline at the same time. And if you go back to ISIS's heyday 10, 15 years ago, that's exactly where we were. Syria was in a civil war that the central government had almost lost. Iraq was reeling from the effects of the American occupation, was not able to patrol its own territory,

much less things on its fringes, and the Turks had not yet reemerged from their century-long, self-imposed geopolitical sleep. It was a very different situation, and so ISIS was able to form, recruit, expand, dominate groups, and basically go on a series of small genocides. It was pretty nasty. Now that's not our situation.

The Syrian government has, for the most part, stabilized, even if the Civil War is not quite over. The Turks are back in the game and are crossing the border regularly, and Iraq is a power worthy of its name again. And so ISIS has basically fallen from controlling territory to just a few outposts that move around at a general insurgency in some of the least valuable property in the Middle East. So that's ISIS. Isis Khorasan is different. Isis Khorasan thinks that ISIS is a bunch of wimps. because they don't kill enough people, specifically Shia. ISIS is primarily Sunni,

ISIS Khorasan as well, and they see Shia as the worst apostates of all. And so they are not interested in holding territory. They are interested in taking the battle wherever it may go and wherever there's a secular government. And so that has taken them against the Taliban, which they think are a bunch of voices. That's taken them against the Iranians who are Shia,

and that's taken them against the Russians who they see as oppressing their fellow. Sunni followers. Because of this, you can't do a geopolitics at ISIS-Corosan because they're not interested in territory. They don't have a home territory. They're actually fairly egalitarian as to who they take into their ranks as long as you're not a Shia. And in the case of the Russian space, there are a lot of subjugated Muslim populations with probably the Uzbeks being the most important that are willing to join violent groups. And so one of the things that it appears to be with ISIS-Corosan is they've been recruiting pretty aggressively from within the former Soviet sphere. Uzbeks, Tajik's, some Kyrgyz,

maybe some Turkmen, and hopefully not, but most likely so, Dagestan, Chechens, Bashkirs, and Tatars, those are all people who live within the Russian Federation today. So the danger here for the Russians is very, very real from a security point of view and an ideological point of view, but you can't do a geopolitics of ISIS-Kurasan because they don't have a core territory. They're a splinter group that's based entirely on ideology. So ISIS is not the sort of group that can expand much beyond its current footprint and certainly not beyond that part of the Middle Euphrates where from time to time they can kind of expand.

Isis Khorasan is a different sort of category. They are not constraint and can very well be coming to a place near you soon. That was way more inflammatory than need to sound. While there have been certainly plots interrupted by ISIS against American interests, there's no sign that they're operating the United States for now yet.