The Peter Zeihan Podcast Series - Jets, Drones & Refineries: Europe Remembers Geopolitics || Peter Zeihan

Episode Date: April 17, 2024

It looks like the Europeans may have figured out that Russia’s war plans don’t end in Ukraine, so more and more countries are beginning to send aid to the Ukrainians. The Americans, however, are s...till working through flawed economics and political considerations.Full Newsletter: https://mailchi.mp/zeihan/jets-drones-refineries-europe-remembers-geopolitics

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey everybody, Peter Zine here, coming to you from a very windy Colorado. It is the 16th of April. And the news today is that the Norwegian government has announced that they are joining the coalition of growing countries that is setting F-16 jets to Ukraine, specifically the foreign minister, guy by the name of, let's if we get this right, Espenbarth Ida, probably, has said specifically he hopes and he encourages the Ukrainians to use the jets that at the moment are being provided by a coalition. of Norway, Denmark, and the Netherlands to target infrastructure and military units actually in Russia proper. In fact, his phrase was the deeper the better.
Starting point is 00:00:38 A lot going on here to impact. So number one, to this point, the NATO countries have tried to limit the direct attacks by the Ukrainians with their equipment or with equipment that is donated in order to prevent an escalation. But a few people's minds have been tripped in recent days because Russians are now using one and two ton bombs to completely obliterate civilian infrastructure and are going after aid workers, including things like EMS services. And this has really tripped the minds of a lot of people in Northern Europe in particular that this war has now gotten way too serious to have any sort of guardrails
Starting point is 00:01:16 on what the Ukrainians can target. The French, while they have not weighed in on this topic specifically, they're now openly discussing when, not whether, when French troops are going to be deployed to Ukraine to assist the Ukrainians in a rearguard action. And we have a number of other countries, especially in the Baltics and in central Europe, that are also wanting to amp up the European commitment to the war. In part, this is just the recognition that if Ukraine falls, they're all necks. And in part, it's that the United States has abdicated a degree of leadership, both because of targeting restrictions and because there's a faction within the House of Representatives
Starting point is 00:01:51 that is preventing aid from flowing to Ukraine. So the Europeans are stepping up. In fact, they've been stepping up now for nine months. They provided more military and financial aid to the Ukrainians each and every month for nine months now. And this is just kind of the next logical step in that process. Which puts the United States in this weird position of being the large country that is arguing the most vociferously for a dialing back of targeting by Ukraine of Russian assets in Russia. If you guys remember back about three weeks ago, there was a report from the Financial Times that the Biden administration had alerted the Ukrainians that they did not want the Ukrainians to target,
Starting point is 00:02:32 for example, oil refineries in Russia because of the impact that we could have on global energy prices. And I refrained from commenting at that time because it wasn't clear to me from how far up the chain it has come, that warning. But in the last week, we have heard National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan and the Vice President Kamala Helleris, both specifically on and on record warned the Ukrainians that the United States did not want them targeting this sort of infrastructure because of the impact that would have on policy and on inflation. Now that we know it's coming from the White House itself, I feel kind of released to comment, and I don't really have a very positive comment here. There's two things going on. Number one, it's based on some really,
Starting point is 00:03:10 really faulty logic and some bad economic analysis. So step one is the concern in the United States that higher energy prices are going to restrict the ability of the European to rally to the cause and support Ukraine. And nothing could be farther from the truth. Most of the Europeans realize that if Ukraine falls there next, and most of the countries with an activist foreign policy are already firmly on the side of an expanded targeting regime.
Starting point is 00:03:39 The biggest holdout would be Germany, where we have an unstable and unconfident leader and coalition that wants to lead from the back, not the front, which I can understand. But most of the Europeans have realized that if we're actually getting ready for an actual, war between Europe and Russia, that's not going to be free. And higher energy costs are just kind of baked into that pie. So almost all of the Europeans have basically cut almost all
Starting point is 00:04:06 Russian energy out of their fuel mixes already in anticipation for that fight. So argument number one, gone. Number two, the idea that this is going to cause the war to expand in a way that will damage Ukraine more. Well, one of the first things that the Russians did back in 2022 in the war was target all Ukrainian oil processing facilities. They don't have much left. So yes, there's more things that the Russians can do, but this is basically turned into a semi-genocidal war. So it's really hard to restrain the Ukrainians and doing things that are going to hurt the Russian bottom line that allows them to fund the war. So that kind of falls apart. Specifically, the Ukrainians have proven with homegrown weaponry. They don't even need Western weapons for this.
Starting point is 00:04:53 They can do precision attacks on Russian refineries going after some of the release sensitive bits. Now, refineries are huge facilities with a lot of internal distance and a lot of standoff's distance. So if you have an explosion in one section, it doesn't make the whole thing go up like it might in Hollywood. As a result, there are very specific places that you have to hit. And that requires a degree of precision and accuracy that most countries can't demonstrate, but the Ukrainians have. Specifically, you go after something called a distillation tower, which is where you basically take heated crude and you put into a giant, at fractionating column, if you remember high school chemistry. And if you can poke a hole in that, it's hot and it's pressurized.
Starting point is 00:05:30 So you get something that spurts out. And based where on the verticality you hit, the products that hit are either flammable or explosive. So we're including a nice little graphic here to show you what that looks like. The Ukrainians have shown that they can hit this in a dozen different facilities. And the Russians have proven that it's difficult for them to get this stuff back online because most of the equipment, especially for his distillation tower, is not produced in Russia. lot of it's not even produced in China. It's mostly Western tech. So as of April 2nd, which was the
Starting point is 00:06:00 last day we had an attack on energy infrastructure in Russia, about 15% of Russian refining capacity had been taken offline. In the two weeks since then, they've gotten about a third of that back on using parts they were able to cobble together. But it gives you an idea that this is a real drain, because we're talking about 600,000 barrels a day of refined product that just isn't being made right now. That affects. domestic stability in Russia, that affects the capacity of the Russians operate in the front. And yes, it does impact global energy prices. But that leads me to the third thing that I have a problem with the Biden administration here.
Starting point is 00:06:34 And that the impact on the United States is pretty limited. The United States is not simply the world's largest producer of crude oil. It's also the world's largest producer of refined product to the degree that it is also the world's largest exporter of refined product. So not only will the United States feel the least pinch in terms of energy inflation from anything in Russia going offline. We also have the issue that the U.S. President, without having to go through Congress, can put restrictions of whatever form he wants on the United States export of product. It doesn't require a lot of regulatory creativity to come up with a plan that would allow to a limiting of the impact to prices for energy products in the United States. And I got to say, it is weird to see the United States playing the role of dove
Starting point is 00:07:24 when it comes to NATO issues with Ukraine. Usually, the U.S. is the hawk. Now, I don't think this is going to last. The Biden administration's logic and analysis on this is just flat out wrong. Geopolitically, there's already a coalition of European countries that wants to take the fight across the border into Russia proper because they know that now that's really the only way that the Ukrainians can win this war. Second, economically, you take, let's say you take,
Starting point is 00:07:49 half of Russia's refined product exports offline. Will that have an impact? Yeah, but it will be relatively moderate because most countries have been moving away from that already. And the Russian product is going to over halfway around the world before it makes it to an end client. So it's already been stretched. Removing it will have an impact, but we've had two years to adapt. So it's going to be moderate. Not to mention in the United States, as the world's largest refined product exporter, we're already in a glut here and doesn't take much bureaucratic minutia in order to keep some of that glut from going abroad. So mitigating any price impact here for political reasons.
Starting point is 00:08:27 And third, the political context is wrong too. The Biden administration is thinking about inflation and how that can be a voter issue. And it is a voter issue. But if you keep the gasoline and the refined product bottle up in the United States, the only people are going to be pissed off are the refiners. And I don't think any of those people were going to ever vote for the Biden administration in the first place. There is no need to restrict the Ukrainians room to maneuver in order to fight this war
Starting point is 00:08:52 in order to get everything that the Biden administration says that it wants to be it.

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