The Peter Zeihan Podcast Series - Making Sense of Africa: Congo and Rwanda || Peter Zeihan

Episode Date: March 19, 2025

Let's take a breather from the Russian Reach series and talk about something going on in Africa. Specifically, we'll be looking at the escalating conflict between Rwanda and the Democratic Republic of Congo.Join the Patreon here: https://www.patreon.com/PeterZeihanFull Newsletter: https://mailchi.mp/zeihan/making-sense-of-africa

Hey everybody, Peter Zine here coming to you from Colorado. And today we're going to talk about something completely different, specifically what's going on with Rwanda and Congo. I'm going to make this relevant. Okay, who are they? First of all, Rwanda is a tiny, tiny little country, one of the little landlocked ones, just to the west of the Horn of Africa.

And Congo is the opposite. It's huge country in the heart of equatorial Africa. Really only has a tiny little frontage, so it might as well be landlocked. But it's larger than all of the countries of Western Europe combined. What do they have in common? Not a lot. Their borders are demarcated because of the way that the colonial era ran. So especially in the case of Conguard, makes very little sense. But what Rwanda has going for it is it's just in the right spot with volcanic soil, just enough upland to keep the humidity under control that is incredibly fertile. So it's probably the densest population density on the continent once you remove Egypt, which is a very special case. As a result, it always

has a high fertility rate and generates a lot of populations, and it's generally led by people are not particularly nice, and so every once in a while, they sand an army across their borders to muck with somebody else for whatever reason. The world has called that genocide in the past, and so the way that the Rwandans have adapted is by generating a militia that they don't control, that just happens to go out and do things that they like to get done. It's a complete pretexts called M23. Anyway, M23 has been operating in eastern Congo now for a few years, and in recent weeks, has actually managed to capture a couple significant cities of size, and they're continuing on the march, and there's really nothing the Congolese can do about it, because Congo's territory

is a shit show. It's jungle, it's mountainous, it's forested, it's steep, it's remote. There are very few roads in the country, and so while Kinsasha, the nominal capital all the way in the west, is officially controls all of it, you really have these series of regional capitals that operate like little fiefdoms. It's very holy Roman Empire. Well, what is happening now is that the Rwandan groups, M23, are basically breaking out of their region in the northeast part of the country and moving further south and further west. And that is pushing them towards the Katanga region, which is the site of Congo's copper cobalt belt, which is one of the world's richest mineral

sources, specifically providing roughly 70 to 75 percent of the world's cobalt. And if you're If you want to live in a world that involves batteries in some way, when we're talking like electric vehicle batteries or grid cell batteries, you have to have cobalt. So all of a sudden, this has gotten very, very real. The last time Rwanda did this at scale, they overthrew the Congolese government and impose one of their proxies in charge,

and he ruled the country until about, oh, geez, 2008, 2018. It's been a hot minute. But for a while, and that happened back in 1999 to 2001. You guys may remember the name Mabutu. He was the guy who took over for the Belgians after they left. He ran it to place into the ground until eventually the Rwandans ousted him. Anyway, we have a different government now, but they are painfully aware of when Rwanda decides that they want to overthrow your government, they can because the Rwandans are supplied,

they've got cash, and they have the unofficial blessing of the international community for a weird reason, Because if you remember back, there was a series of genocides not too long ago in Rwanda. And the guy who eventually emerged on top of that, a guy by the name of Kagami, basically made nice with the Western institutions in order to end ended the genocide. So, you know, I don't need to take away that from him. But he's borderline genocidal himself and now he's turning his tender mercies onto Congo. So far, no one has called him to the carpet on. And I really doubt the Trump administration is going to do that.

In other news, you have to watch who is ultimately going to end up control of this belt. Right now, the Chinese are probably the largest operators in the cobalt space, whereas South Africa plays a role in transport because they control the rail network that takes the ore from the copper side of things, which is a lot bulkier than the cobalt, and takes it down to their ports in South Africa for shipping out. No matter what shape the world is in, 5, 10, 15 years, years from now, the materials from Congo are going to be central. The world does not have enough copper. The United States needs to massively improve its industrial plant even before you consider

the Green Revolution. And everything with the Green Revolution, it revolves around electricity. So you need it for the wiring and the batteries and everything else. And then, of course, the copper itself. So this is a space to watch. And I just had to shove this one in there between all the Trump stuff that's going on. Well, shit. There's a Trump angle to this one, too. In the time that it took me to walk back to download this, the Congolese government has offered Donald Trump personally that if they come and protect Congo from Rwanda, that they will sign a deal that gives the Americans oversight and access to the entire copper-cobalt belt. All right. The copper-cobalt belt is in the southeastern part of the country. It is not well linked up to the rest of the country at all.

This is one of the reasons why the Rwandans are making a play for it because the Congolese really can't defend it. The only infrastructure in the area that really does link it to the outside world goes south down the spine of Southern Africa into South Africa. But South Africa no longer has the expeditionary military force to project power up that line. And the only other country in the region that really has military power at all would be Angola, and they're on the wrong side of the juggles as well. So if, if the United States were to do this, would have to do one of two things. Number one, it would have to cut a deal with either Angola or Mozambique or both to access that South African spine in order to come in from the South.

That would probably be the easiest way. And the Biden administration did make a lot of progress with Angola on affirming up the relationship at the detriment of China. The second option would be cut a deal with Kinsasha, you know, Congo's nominal government. and build out the infrastructure that would be necessary to go in from the east. The Congo option would be the legal option. The Angola or the Mozambique option would be the imperial option. And before you say anything about Donald Trump and imperialism,

just keep in mind we are talking here about the deep, dark heart of Africa. So the infrastructure is non-existent. The militants are everywhere. And the last time we had a major war in this region, which was just in the 90s in the 2000s, At least two million people died and 17 countries were involved. And that's before you consider, say, outside powers like China, the United States. So if you are looking for a long, drawn out, messy approach to getting critical metal arrows,

this might be just your speed.