The Peter Zeihan Podcast Series - Post-COVID China: Will the Economy Bump or Slump? || Peter Zeihan

Episode Date: June 12, 2023

As countries across the globe peeled back COVID restrictions, many of those economies saw huge (and much-needed) bumps. With China approaching six months since lifting its lockdown, the question on everyone's mind is why hasn't the world’s second-largest economy seen an economic bump? Full Newsletter: https://mailchi.mp/zeihan/post-covid-china-will-the-economy-bump-or-slump

Hey, everyone, Peter Zine here, still in Monterey. That's my plane right there. We just got delayed for another hour. Anyway, on the topic of waiting, where is this ridiculous idea of a COVID recovery for the Chinese? I mean, come on, it's been six months. I would argue that you really shouldn't wait for it any longer. There's a number of things that are going on that are structural for the Chinese system

that aren't going to fix by anything as minor as reopening. Most Chinese economic growth has been caused over the years by either investment in industrial plant to serve external markets or the production of goods to serve those external markets. So basically think of offshoreing onshore. That has been a lot of the growth story and especially the technological advance for these past 20 years. That has probably peaked a few things. Number one, the world and especially the United States has turned sharply anti-Chinese when it comes to investments. And so there's a lot more effort to do things with friends or at home. or at least nearby.

Biggest beneficiaries of that so far have not just been the United States, but Mexico and Vietnam. Nothing's changing there. Second, the production costs in the United States' system in terms of energy and labor productivity, everything are lower than they are in China. So there are very, very few industries that have tried to move out of China back to the United States

and discovered that has been anything other than a wondrous experience. And third, there's a personnel angle here. When you're going to drop a billion dollars in a country in order to do a big investment, you know, you kind of go and scout it around first. And because of COVID, no American CEOs went to the country for the entirety of calendar year 2020, 2020, 2021 or 2022. If they did, they were subjected to the joys of literally an anal probe to check them for COVID. We like to call this in economic parlance a non-tariff barrier.

Well, the average turnover for an American CEO is five years. And if for three, three and a half years, you couldn't be. even get there, well, the personal connection where CEOs would link their personal performance professionally to some sort of activity in China. Well, that's all gone. And so we've seen interest at the corporate level drop as well. On top of that, it's turning out that the Chinese demographic picture is significantly worse than anyone thought, worse than the Chinese thought. And it's not so much that the Chinese population became older than the average American in 2018 and was passed by by the Indian population in 2022. But those milestones probably happened a decade ago,

if you look at the new data that's coming out of the Chinese. So the economic case isn't there, the personal case isn't there, the investment case isn't there. And that's before you consider the Chinese have kind of become a bag of dixon international diplomacy. This whole, Wolf Warrior approach has soured a lot of people and made it less likely for Chinese tourists to be welcomed and less likely for countries to be interested in seeking that at all. So when you look at flights in and out of China and other countries, the global average is only about 40 to 50 percent of pre-pandemic levels. So there hasn't been that kind of burst of revenge tourism that we've seen in a lot of places. And flights to and from the United States where the business is done,

that's only 6 percent of pre-COVID levels. So we've had a significant shift of mindsets on all sides. And with the demographic collapse, meaning that consumption-led growth was never possible again in China at bulk anyway, it really shouldn't be a surprise that the Chinese are proving unable to have a post-COVID bump, which means we're really close to a post-COVID slide, assuming nothing else goes wrong, and a lot of other things are going wrong. All right. See if I have another delay here in a bit.

Finally boarded. Oh, yeah. One more thing. We don't know how many people... Hi! We don't know how many people died in China's COVID experience. So assuming that the anti-vaxxers were right, and this has never been worse than a common cold, that was a million people. Dead people don't spend money. People who survive dead people tend to be kind of down and dumped for a little bit of time. So the idea that there was ever going to be a big economic boom is trying to open, kind of rise in the face of, you know, logic and emotion and demographics and trade and a few other things.

Anyway, I'm finally moving now. See you from home. Bye.