The Peter Zeihan Podcast Series - Putin's Puppet Show feat. Tucker "The Propagandist" Carlson || Peter Zeihan

Episode Date: February 13, 2024

At this point you’ve all seen or heard about Tucker Carlson’s interview with Putin (if you haven’t…you didn’t miss much). This was the first time Putin has spoken to an American “journalis...t” since his military invaded Ukraine in February 2022.Full Newsletter: https://mailchi.mp/zeihan/putins-puppet-show

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Everyone, Peter Zine here coming to you from home, and I have received, no surprise here, lots of lots of questions about Tucker Carlson's interview with the Russian leader Vladimir Putin. There's really no point in going to the substance of Tucker's interview. A couple things to keep in mind about Tucker Carlson. Number one, he's been fired from every journalist's job that he has ever had for making things up. And his legal defense, what he was working at Fox in recent years, was that he's not a journalist. at all. So he's not responsible for any sort of fact-based reporting. In fact, he literally called himself a propagandist, which, you know, I guess if you're going to go for a legal defense, being truthful,
Starting point is 00:00:45 helps. And he's been a Russian shill for several years. So the idea that he was being a Russian shill in Russia does really shock me. And it was just an example of how Putin can get his message out in front of a relatively favorable audience in the United States to stir the political pot and keep the United States unable to make a broad-based response to anything with the Russians who are doing. And this is not a new program. The Russians have been doing this ever since they formed the bot farm over a decade ago. More importantly, this is the strategic picture that we have in the Russian space right now. The Ukraine war is not in a sale that hasn't been for any part of this war. We've been seeing new tactics and new weapon systems moving.
Starting point is 00:01:24 The current iteration is the Russians are combining their meat-a-soucels. assaults, as they've been called, with a much better level of coordination with other tactics, especially with artillery. One of the things to keep in mind about the Ukraine war is that we've got two very different approaches. On the Ukrainian side, authority has been devolved down to almost the unit level, but when you disassociate your military strategy to that level, yes, you'll get a lot of creative people who are doing creative things that are very effective. But the information and the successes that they have, the techniques don't necessarily percolate back up to the top, which means it's hard for the folks at the top to then apply those tactics across the entire front. So you're
Starting point is 00:02:13 very, very, very effective commanders, but you don't necessarily get a very, very effective army. Russia has the opposite approach in that there's very little authority at the local level. And so they often have the Ukrainians writing circles around them. But whenever a lesson does percolate up to the top and it is then imposed on everyone. And for the first couple of years of the war, this has definitely been working for the Ukrainians' favor. But as the Russians incrementally incorporate lessons, it's now starting to favor the Russians. And the only way that you can kind of make the Ukrainian come up again, two things. Number one, you can get them better at a little bit of command of control. And then second,
Starting point is 00:02:50 of course, they need better and better weapons in order to counter what is becoming an incrementally more effective Russian war machine. That, of course, is wrapped up with politics in the Western countries, especially the United States, which is one of the many, many, many reasons that Putin arranged for his shell to come and interview him in order to keep stirring the pot so the United States would have more and more problems when it comes to acting. Just as important, arguably more important, as the Russians are thrilled, thrilled about what's going on with Israel and Gaza and Iran, because every little bit of attention that the Americans give to the Israeli situation,
Starting point is 00:03:27 or the Gaza situation or the attacks on maritime shipping in the Red Sea is an attention that they can't give to the Ukraine War. One of the things that people forget about the American foreign policy establishment, it really has a hard time dealing with more than one issue at a time. And so for the first 16, 18 months of the Ukraine War, that was the only issue in international affairs that was in front of Joe Biden. You could argue that things with China were up there, but that was mostly in the area of economic nationalism, and that is something that can be handed off to non-forb policy personnel. But in the United States, there's really only three people who are responsible for almost all American foreign policy. The president, obviously, the chair of the Federal Reserve, and that's
Starting point is 00:04:11 usually focused on economic issues for obvious reasons, and the national security advisor. Even the Secretary of State really doesn't deal with forward affairs. It's more of a dispensation rather than a policy creation sort of issue. And so when you only have three people, and one of them obviously has other things on his plate at any given time. And one of them is only responsible for financial and economic issues. It's really hard to get this mammoth institution of the United States focused on more than one thing at the same time. And if Israel and Gaza and Iran are absorbing more and more and more of that attention, then by default there's less attention that can be paid to things going on the Russian sphere. So the Russians have from the fourth quarter of last year on
Starting point is 00:04:53 discovered that they have a lot more wiggle room because the leadership out of the United States is simply lacking. It's not that we've had a policy change in Washington. It's just that there's only so much bandwidth. And of course, now we're in an election year. And that's Ciaros things even more. So ignore Tucker. You should have been ignoring Tucker for years, but do watch Moscow because they're finding new and more creative ways, not simply to prosecute the word home, but to muddle the picture on a broader global scale,
Starting point is 00:05:28 to play into this fact that the Americans have a hard time focusing on more than one thing.

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